The Fight Against PROGRESSIVISM in Christianity | Guest: Fr. Calvin Robinson
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I've lived in London for the last almost 20 years, but I've just moved over to West Michigan.
I'm now in a parish, St. Paul's, Grand Rapids.
And so I've been called to a ministry over here, but I'm thankful that I have because the United Kingdom is not in a good place, not in a good place at all.
It's kind of lost its identity.
It's lost its core.
It's lost its values.
And there's a great replacement going on in real time.
And not enough people seem to care.
It's a horrible, horrible, miserable place to be right now.
I want to go and talk about this because I think a lot of times, you know, we're reactionaries, especially in politics or even in the church today.
People sort of just react and they don't really sit down to digest.
And I saw a really interesting article that was up, particularly at ChristianPost.com that was recent.
And it said, expatriate, UK cleric Calvin Robinson issues a dire warning to Americans, don't just sit back.
Went on to say that British Catholic cleric who recently settled in the United States after taking a parish in Michigan warned Americans to avoid the same mistakes that he claims are leading to the destruction of his mother country.
Please don't do what we did.
And that's where we begin our conversation.
This is a really interesting start.
You have a warning to us.
You're saying, please do not sit back because what happened to us might happen to you.
So let's, wherever you want to begin, what happened to you guys and why are you warning us about it?
The problem is our conservatives are no longer conservative.
And I see there are elements out here that say, well, our Republicans are no longer Republicans either.
You have this whole Rhino situation.
And I think you've got to be so, so careful of that.
You've got to kick out the rhinos.
You've got to make sure that the actual Republicans are promoted because conservatism is so important for protecting the past in order to have something to hand down to the future.
Whereas modern day conservatives tend to be liberals, really and truly.
And this is what we had in the UK.
We had liberalism taking over for the last few decades.
And what that's meant is that conservatives have just sat back and watched the world crumble around them while saying, well, you know what?
Let them get on with whatever they want to get on with.
It doesn't affect me.
You know, whatever they want to do in the comfort of their four walls, you know, it's on them.
And this whole apathy that has embraced the country has meant that actually people have sat around and watched the world get destroyed around them without doing anything about it, without saying anything about it.
And now we've reached a point where people who do speak up, they get cancelled.
And when I say cancel, I mean, what does it mean to be cancelled?
Well, today, to be cancelled in the United Kingdom means that you'll have a knock on your door by the police and you'll get arrested for retweeting or posting something on Facebook that is seen as misinformation or disinformation, which essentially means against the approved narrative.
So the Conservatives sat back for so long that when people are now conservative, they're arrested for it.
Yeah, and you do warn about that in the article because you yourself have obviously been subject to multiple cancellations and not even for anything that we would consider controversial in the United States.
But I know this, this article from Christian Post as well, Calvin Robinson, it says, oh, he was blocked by his, for in your ordination for opposing woke ideology.
But I shaved it off for the purpose of telling you, Tonja, because when you get ordained to the priesthood, you have to kind of show a sign of humility.
And people said, you know, your hair is your trademark.
Your hair is your character.
And I wanted people to not see my trademark or my character straight away.
I wanted them to see Jesus Christ in me and see less of Calvin Robinson.
And so that's why I just shaved it all off and started afresh.
I mean, listen, my hair was already falling out and now it's finally growing back a little bit.
But I, you know, sometimes I just wish it would all fall out so we don't have to deal with this.
But, you know, unfortunately, we have to deal with our hair and we have to deal with liberals, which is why I really respect you because I've seen I'll try not to curse too much here.
I've been living in Australia for too long that I started to pick up a lot of words that I didn't even know existed that rhyme with on.
Anyway, it says here that you got blocked in your ordination for opposing woke theology.
Can you explain to us not only about what happened here, but I would consider this being cancelled in the church, right?
This is happening everywhere.
How did you get cancelled for opposing anti-biblical principles?
So I felt called to ministry and I discerned that calling with the church who then said, we also affirm that you are called to ministry.
We'll send you to training to become a priest.
I went through the training.
I got sent to Oxford.
I did my theological studies in seminary.
And at the end of it, you're supposed to be sent off to a parish.
And that's when I hit the first major hurdle in that I met with the so-called Bishop of London, who happens to be a woman.
I don't recognize the orders of women in the first place because I'm a traditional Catholic.
But I met with her and she essentially said to me, to serve in London, even not under her, I would have to subscribe to critical race theory.
She said to me, the church is institutionally racist.
I was like, I don't believe that.
I think that individuals can be racist and they need to be reprimanded for that and repent of that racism and of course held to account for it.
But I don't think the institution of the church is racist.
I think that's the nonsense.
I think actually when you do that, you're passing responsibility from the individual to the corporate body.
And therefore, you're not giving people a chance to repent.
Therefore, you're enslaving them in their sin.
And actually, it's just lazy neo-Marxism.
I can't subscribe to it.
She essentially said to me, look, you're going to have to.
She said, I could tell you, as a white woman, the church is racist.
And so at that point, I was like, okay, this is clear.
I'm not going to be ordained to the Church of England.
And I thought perhaps my journey was at an end.
But then a couple of bishops from America got in touch and said, you know, you can still be ordained and you should still be ordained outside of the Church of England.
I didn't know this pathway existed, but the Lord opened a new door, which was a much better door and the right door.
Of course, it was the path that he laid out for me all along, but you have to go through these hurdles in life.
And sometimes these cancellations are actually a good thing.
Okay, first off, thank you for having that perspective.
Because, you know, sometimes we get into crappy situations and we, you know, we dig ourselves in our own graves, right?
I mean, and we blame God.
I think that's what the Bible says that, you know, a fool basically, you know, suffers from his own foolishness and then he, you know, blames God.
You know, why'd you do this to me?
But sometimes a lot of what's going on in the world, it feels like no matter how much good we try to do, it's kind of like we're guaranteed death taxes and also suffering along this liberal consumer, you know, ideology, this progressive communism that's threatening us.
And so you have this dream and it's taken away from you per se, but God opened up this other path.
And I find that to be really interesting because a lot of people, it seems, a lot of, we're going to go to the state part of this.
We'll transition back to religion and faith.
A lot of white people, it seems like, are leaving London specifically.
People talk about the demographics there.
Can you talk to me a little bit about what's actually going on in London?
You mentioned it, the white replacement or the replacement of the native Brit population.
You don't seem like you're fully white.
You don't seem like you, you're an afro.
I mean, you don't seem like you're a white supremacist or some sort of a neo-Nazi.
And so, you know, it is interesting.
People say it's just Nazis talking about this.
What have you seen going on in London and how has it been affecting the quality of life?
I will answer that, but I think you touched on a very important point when you said about suffering, because that's the difference between Christians and non-Christians, and that we recognize that God permits certain trials and tribulations for our sanctification, to make us better people.
As we strive towards goodness, he leads us in that direction.
And so we embrace our suffering and we try to find the joy in our suffering because we know that Jesus Christ suffered for us and suffers alongside us.
Whereas the secular world is trying to do everything they can to avoid suffering.
And this is why we end up with a whole generation of entitled people that have zero resilience.
And this is why essentially we have canceled culture, because people cannot take anything slightly offensive.
They just have to shut down or shut it down because they have never learned to suffer well.
But anyway, to your question of the replacement, I mean, the UN convention, the UN have been very explicit in this replacement theory.
So it's no longer just a conspiracy.
But what we're seeing very actively in the United Kingdom is that the birth rate is down to all-time disturbing lows of 1.4.
You know, that the average used to be 2.4 not too long ago, which meant that the mother and the father were at least replacing themselves.
Now they're not.
So traditional British families are not having enough children to replace the mother and the father.
So Britons, native Britons are dying out, right?
So the English, the Welsh, the Scots, and the Northern Irish, they're dying out.
At the same time, our leaders, our elite, want to make sure that the economy keeps going.
And so because they're obsessed with the GDP as a measure of success for a country, which I think is a terrible measure of success, they're obsessed with it.
And so they import vast waves of migrants in order to replace the dying population.
And so what we have is one demographic is shrinking dramatically and the other is increasing rapidly.
And so therefore it is in effect literally a replacement.
But the issue I have with that is that I believe that Western culture is superior.
I believe that it is because it's based on Christianity, and Christian values are true.
They're objectively true.
They're good and they're beautiful.
And I don't think every culture shares that.
I think a lot of cultures are inferior.
And just to say that will, you know, raise the heckles of a lot of people.
But I can point to cultures around the world where homosexuals are thrown off roofs or women are stoned to death for going out by themselves without their husband or their father.
They have to wear the nicar, but only their eyes can be seen and they're not allowed to drive.
There are cultures around the world which are abhorrent.
Not all cultures are equal.
And so when the United Kingdom decides to import vast waves of immigrants, what they should have considered is who are we importing and from where and why.
I would argue that if we're going to have immigration, and there's a conversation to be had whether we need to have immigration at all, but if we are going to have immigration, we should be enabling people from countries that share our values.
So Christian cultures from Christian countries, or even Christians who are persecuted in non-Christian countries.
If we're going to have an asylum process where we take on board refugees, what we shouldn't be doing is taking on board people with values that are contradictory to our own, taking on board people that hate us, hate our way of life, want to see us dead, and want to take over our land.
And the liberals are, oh, no, you're being silly, you're being hyperbolic.
There's no one, no one hates us.
They literally hate us.
They will say it to our face and they will shout it in the streets.
They are doing it in the streets of London.
They're walking around with death to the Jews, white genocide, all these horrible ISIS flags and Hamas this, Hamas that.
They are doing it in the streets of London openly.
Well, and this is what I think is important that a lot of people dismiss.
This is the New York Post.
You're everywhere.
Said, you know, a UK priest warns America not to let the left deteriorate U.S. values.
And, you know, you talk about these values being synonymous.
How intertwined or how important is it when we talk about preserving Western culture that that is linked to preserving the Christianity of our countries?
Like, is it an afterthought?
Or is there a direct correlation, in your opinion, to abandoning Christianity, abandoning God, and then the destruction of our other, you know, some might call them post-Enlightenment ideals?
So pretty much every state in these United States of America were founded on explicitly Christian principles.
And in fact, most of the states had constitutions that were explicitly Christian.
Now, the United States is implicitly Christian.
And things like the Constitution and the Pledge of Allegiance and most of the foundational documents of the United States expect people to be worshiping the Christian God.
But of course, what liberals have done is they've twisted that.
And especially with the modern language of the separation of church and state, what they try to do is take the church out of the state to the point that there's no Christian value there anymore.
When of course the judicial system, the legislative, all of the core systems were built on Christian principles.
You know, the fact that Americans say in God we trust and all of these things, what they mean is the Christian God, the one true God.
And what the enemy wants to do is obfuscate that and twist it into a point that people think, actually, no, there is no God.
There's no religion.
What we just have is what these abstract values that are, you know, we get our goodness from, well, where do we get it from?
We get it from Christ.
We get it from the Ten Commandments.
We get it from revelation of the Holy Scriptures.
And that's what.
So England still has an official state to church.
America doesn't.
Of course it doesn't.
But what the separation of church and state means is that the state cannot impede on the church.
But there's always been this expectation that the church is passing on moral values to the state.
The moral compass comes from Christianity.
And the moment you take that away, you open it up to anything, including Islam, which is evil.
So, one of the criticisms that I want to cover is: I've seen a lot of people rising up, specifically in the right wing, and essentially, you know, calling Christianity like a, you know, you're following a Jew, right?
Because there's a lot of rising sort of anti-Israel, anti-Jewish sentiment that's risen in the right wing, you know, in many ways.
Some of it's, you know, well-founded in preventing wars and intervention, and others of it may just be simple, you know, ethnic clashing or you know, whatever, resentment.
But, you know, one thing that I do notice that a lot of these guys are doing is they're turning more towards paganism, right?
So you have a lot of people who are of darker complexion turning towards Islam, and white guys are becoming pagan.
And one of the things they do is they see videos like this of the modern Protestant church, which is the predominant church in the United States.
And we're going to watch this for a second.
And I want to get your opinion on modern Protestantism and what we do about this, considering the fact that this is more common than I'd like.
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I was at my hotel, and she said, you know, you're the Christian group.
I mean, you could tell from the moment he opened his mouth that there's something was going on there, right?
That there's a corruption in the message.
Queer Christians, do you say that they are?
There's no such thing as a queer Christian.
There's no such thing as gay Christians.
I mean, putting anything before Christian is, first of all, quite disturbing because you're putting something before Christ, and that's not the way that Christians are taught to be.
But what they're trying to do is, again, warp it.
And this is the work of the enemy, quite literally.
Within Christianity, it's quite straightforward that the sexual ethics and the family values are that marriage or that the sacrament of holy matrimony is a lifelong union between one man and one woman.
And the sexual act is something that takes place within the bounds of that marriage, that union, for the purposes of being blessed by God with children.
Now, anything outside of that is sinful.
So there's no such thing as marriage between two women and one man or two men.
The troplets, homosexuality, all of that does not exist.
That's not marriage.
And sex outside of marriage is sinful.
Therefore, there is no such thing as a gay Christian, a queer Christian.
That cannot be.
It's abhorrent.
It's what the scriptures label as abhorrent.
Now, that's not to say that the people are.
Now, we are all sinners and we all sin in different ways.
We all have the propensity to sin.
There are different traps that we all fall into.
But the message of Christianity is that we must repent of our sins.
We must show contrition.
We must apologize to God, essentially, and seek his forgiveness.
And he gives us forgiveness out unconditionally.
He is a great father, but we have to say sorry and try to stop.
And so what this message of this queer Christianity does is say, well, you don't have to say sorry.
Well, that's, I'm glad that you say that so clearly because that's what a lot of people don't want to talk about.
They don't want to talk about the reality that our decisions do affect us.
And I don't like the idea, Father, that of calling people hyphenated Christians.
And I see that a lot today, you know, when people even say to, you know, I'm a black Christian.
I go, what does that even mean?
Like, what's the point of becoming Christian if you have to hyphenate?
This is not, I mean, that's a problem even in countries, right?
Oh, I'm, you know, a black, you know, Londoner or whatever.
That's the issue of lack of integration.
But the idea of saying I'm a queer Christian means you're putting your sinful identity first.
And you know what?
If you are a little queer and you're a Christian, everyone struggles with their flesh in different ways, but then we don't identify by that.
And so do you see that?
It's like, what do you see as being the main problem or the main hurdle that Christianity has today towards getting back to a place of strength and impact and not something that can just be mocked like this?
And so the moment people choose to identify as whether it's a black Christian or a gay Christian, they're making something about themselves more important than Christ.
And that's worrying, especially if it's a sexual deviancy.
Why would you make your sexual preferences the core of your very being?
That's just weird.
How have we gotten to this point?
But the race thing is just insane too, because race is an immutable characteristic.
We can't help how we're born, whether it's black, white, Chinese.
It shouldn't really matter, depending on where you are.
But to make it the core of your very being says that you care deeply about that, more deeply about that than everything else.
Now, I happen to be mixed race.
As you mentioned, I'm half Afro-Caribbean, half white English.
Now, I don't take pride in either side of that.
It just is.
But I recognize it.
If someone wants to talk about the heritage and what that means and where those values come from, et cetera, both of those countries.
So my dad's family came from Jamaica.
My mother's family have always been in England.
Both of those countries are Christian countries and both of them were based on Christian values.
But I don't see how that makes me like a mixed race Christian or a black Christian or a white Christian.
So this is what we're talking about the decline, right?
This is a succession here.
It troubles me.
And this is personal for me.
It's really hard for a lot of us, I think, where we feel like we know that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
And we know that the country's messed up.
But it's hard to acknowledge this.
And I think this is the main problem.
Like, messed up soul, messed up person, messed up person, messed up marriage, messed up marriage, messed up family, messed up family, messed up community, you know, and so goes on.
And I work in the job of pointing out a lot of the problems in the world, but I'm kind of an effed up person too.
Like I'm a little bit degenerate sometimes, you know, and I have been way more in the past, but the flesh is still very tempting, you know, in a lot of ways.
And I feel really convicted, you know, I just feel convicted recently.
Like I've been just feeling convicted.
And what would you suggest to someone if I mean, like the idea of like just knowing Christianity is, you know, the way and Jesus is the truth and the life, okay, great.
But for someone like me who's like, I know the Bible, I've even gone to, you know, gone to school and everything.
I've studied things, but I just have a hard time being obedient.
You know what I mean?
It's just because the world's just full of this.
Hard to just be consistent.
What does that look like to actually live as a Christian or to live in a way that you feel like is pleasing the Lord?
So, firstly, we are going to be hated for being Christians.
We're going to be hated before we even say anything, before we even do anything, just because our very being is united in Christ.
In our baptism, when we are born again in water and the Holy Spirit, we die of ourselves and we are born in Christ.
And that means we are other, we are different.
And so, that will upset people.
And the moment we start living our lives in a Christian manner, that is a witness to Christ and it's a witness against evil.
And when people are living in sin, all they want is to share that misery.
Misery likes company.
So people want other people to be embracing sin too.
And when you're not, they'll feel judged by you, whether you're judging them or not.
This is why Christians have a reputation for being judgmental because we don't actually have to judge anyone.
Of course, we shouldn't be judging people unless we're judging righteously because Christ is the ultimate judge.
But people feel judged by our very actions when we're not embracing sin, when we're not doing whatever they're doing, because it calls them out.
Because they realize, well, they don't have to be doing it too.
They could stop too.
And of course, the message is: love the sinner hates the sin.
And so we should hate sin.
We should hate evil.
And if we love our neighbor, if we love the people around us, we should be encouraging them to sin less too, to sin no more, as Christ often said, and to lead them towards him.
But it's very, very difficult when we live in a world where, first of all, people don't even have a conversation about sin anymore.
So people don't even necessarily know what sin is.
People see the law as the law of the land as kind of the ultimate barrier.
So if something is legal, well, okay, why not do it?
You know, weed is legal now.
Prostitution is legal now.
You know, you can think of all these things that are clearly sinful that are not against the law.
So people feel, well, why should I not do them?
I'm not hurting anybody.
But actually, quite often these people are hurting somebody.
They're hurting themselves, right?
They're hurting their souls.
And even if it's just that one person they're hurting, that hurts the body of Christ.
So speaking of that, though, I think a lot of us, when we go into church and when we think about being a Christian and getting back to our Christian roots, we always associate that with a building, right?
Or going to a place.
And I know that we are the church, but one thing that I've seen is interesting is I want to get your opinion on this.
