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Nov. 21, 2023 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Israel’s #1 ENEMY: How Jackson Hinkle "TOOK ON the STATE and WON”

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elijah schaffer
Well, you may not know who Jackson Hinkle is, but I'm sure the state of Ukraine and of Israel sure do.
While we continue to fund to the tune of billions of dollars foreign conflicts, there's an uprising of young men in the United States who, quite frankly, don't want to see themselves dead on the front lines of another Zionist war or U.S. military-industrial conflict.
And the problem with that is, is people don't like that.
One such member of that crew of individuals fighting back against the deep state, his name is Jackson Hinkle.
If you're not familiar with him, I want you to take a look at this video and I want you to tell me what you think.
unidentified
Every time Israel puts out a tweet, they just get ratioed by me or someone else.
jackson hinkle
Ben Shapiro has literally stopped tweeting.
unidentified
Can you believe that?
jackson hinkle
All these leftists tried to take down Ben Shapiro for years and years and years, like throughout the entire Trump presidency.
unidentified
Or you'll go home and nap it.
jackson hinkle
And preceding that, in the lead up to it, they're like, Ben Shapiro is a racist.
unidentified
We must attack him and bring him down.
jackson hinkle
And all it took was an army of like a few thousand Stalinists to bring him down, or I got 2 million, but you know what I mean.
Ben Shapiro has literally stopped tweeting.
unidentified
He only retweets.
jackson hinkle
And when he tweets out something like original content now, it gets less than a thousand likes.
And our ratios get like 50,000, 80,000 likes.
unidentified
It's really quite something.
jackson hinkle
It's quite the sight to see.
unidentified
But it's because their propaganda is just so, it's so transparent.
jackson hinkle
You know, it's like projection.
unidentified
It's all just projection.
jackson hinkle
And that was the same thing with the Ukraine propaganda, but not as many people woke up to that as quickly as they should have, especially on the left in America.
But with this subject, you know, I think so many conservatives have really understood that, okay, you're lied to about Russia, we're lied to about COVID, we are lied to about Ukraine.
unidentified
They're probably lying about the whole Israel-Gaza thing too, right?
jackson hinkle
And then the leftists already support Palestine because leftists just support losers.
They see everything within the context of David and Goliath.
They're like, well, you know, clearly Ukraine is the good party here because they're the little one.
unidentified
They're the little country.
jackson hinkle
And Russia is bad because they're bigger and they have a bigger military, right?
And they're winning.
I'll say it.
unidentified
If Hassan Piker wants to support Palestine, and he does, you know, his Turkish ass is supporting Palestine.
jackson hinkle
You can't even really call him Turkish because we all know what would happen to Hassan if he went back to Turkey.
They'd throw him to prison immediately.
unidentified
If Hassan Piker wants to support Palestine, I'm all for it.
jackson hinkle
I'm not going to attack him or anything like, you know, I'm not going to attack the transgender for Palestine because we all know how they would fare in Gaza.
If they were in Gaza, we all know what would happen to them.
It's just unfortunate that, like, I guess it's unfortunate that they support it for the wrong reasons, right?
They support Gaza for the same reason they supported Ukraine.
It's because they saw like Gaza and Ukraine as like the small entity fighting the large behemoth, right?
unidentified
The leftists just support.
elijah schaffer
All right.
I'd like to welcome to the stage Jackson Hinkle, the host of the dive on Rumble.
You can follow him also on X at Jackson Hinkle.
Check it out.
Links are in the description.
Jackson, welcome to Knightly Offensive for the first time.
jackson hinkle
Thank you for having me on.
elijah schaffer
Okay, dude.
Okay, let's just be very casual here and let's let all the formalities go.
You and I have been in each other's orbit for quite a few years now.
I mean, we both dealt with a lot of things that have been going on.
And before we even talk about what you've been doing, first of all, with all the newfound, like accelerated success and with the right, everyone can look at the success and be like, oh, he's got millions of followers on Twitter, X, and now he's reached over 100,000 on Rumble, which is the equivalent of having a million on YouTube in terms of the difficulty and the challenge with what it's at.
That's not all fun and games, right?
There's a lot of shit.
You've been put on the kill list for Ukraine.
If Mossad was as well organized as they were in the 80s, you'd probably already be assassinated or have shot yourself twice in the back of the head.
How are you dealing with all the pressure and the success and everything going on in your career these days?
jackson hinkle
I think that anyone who tells the truth is obviously going to have a target on their back.
And yeah, it's not fun, but it's like not fun for any of us, right?
Obviously.
So I think that we just have to put it in the context of everything that's going on.
So our position is obviously a lot better than if we were in Gaza.
Our position's a lot better than if we were Assange in Belmarsh.
You know, it could be worse.
So I think that for the time being, I'm still a relatively free man.
I have a beautiful fiancé and I'm happy to be able to still be on X and Rumble.
But obviously, it's not good.
You're always watching around your back, self-defense training, strapped up, you know.
But at the end of the day, if they want to do anything to us, they can.
And we've seen that happen with the January 6th protesters, seen that happen.
It's just criminal.
And I wish we had a government that didn't do that.
But frankly, every government has their problems and they're going to target anyone who calls out their BS.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, dude.
And I think one of the most weird things about this is, a lot of people have questions about you.
And I kind of want to clear up some questions up front.
You know, people are accusing you of being funded by foreign entities.
I think the first and foremost, they say that you're funded by Russia.
What is your relationship with Russia, both with the media and with the government there?
And like, are the accusations that your critics have about you being some sort of like a foreign agent?
I'm not trying to get you in trouble.
I just kind of want to know like what that relationship looks like and why people are so adamant that you're funded by a foreign country like the Kremlin or something, something going on there.
Like what's happening in that regard?
jackson hinkle
Yeah, I think it's, I always think it's funny.
And I'm not saying you're doing this.
You're just asking the question, but it's like people ask these questions right about people like me who have differing views in the establishment orthodoxy about foreign policy.
And I'm an anti-imperialist and I believe in like a multipolar world.
So I do oppose what the U.S. is doing on a global scale.
But rarely ever do you hear people and never do you hear it like if it's on an official podcast.
You hear anyone ever asking Ben Shapiro if he's funded by the Israelis or something.
And he's even friends with Netanyahu.
So that even calls into even more question.
But no, to answer your question, I've actually never received funding from any government, government-associated entity.
RT has offered me jobs, I guess.
They've offered me a job to like convert their stories into videos.
They offered me a job to write for them.
I declined both of those because I don't want to have to register as a foreign agent because I feel like that's going to bring me a whole new host of problems that I don't want to deal with.
And one time, CGTN, which is Chinese media, I went on their show to debate wokeism.
And they're anti-woke, but I went on to debate, you know, Libthards on it.
And they offered me $250 after I went on the show.
And I was like, no, thank you, because I don't know.
I honestly don't know what the rules are about being a foreign agent, but I know if you take money, I'm pretty sure you have to register.
I don't want to deal with that.
But hypothetically, if Putin wanted to bankroll me or Zhe wanted to bankroll me, I don't think I'd have any problems with that.
As long as I don't have to change my views, right?
elijah schaffer
Right.
Well, and I think one of the interesting things is, it's like I tell people, I've been, I've been offered $10,000 from Qatari government to make a Qatari video.
And there's nothing really strange about that.
And to be completely honest, I've also been offered some money during this conflict to change my tune as well.
Did I take it?
No, I remember I showed my family one of the offers that I got, you know, just to tone down my rhetoric.
And that's basically what it comes down to is like, it's not just people.
People will always accuse those who disagree with them of being bankrolled and funded.
But like the wallets might be illegal to, or you might have to register as a foreign agent.
Let's talk about the people that are coming against you.
Let's talk about the intellectual dark web or the conservative establishment media, right?
I mean, they're genuinely through proxy at the very least taking money from foreign countries.
I mean, AI PAC spending $100 million not to defeat literal conservative enemies in the political spectrum.
And nobody even seems to care about that.
Now, remember, obviously, we're talking about JFK, people who wanted, you know, AI PAC to register as a foreign agent.
These people are no longer with us.
They're no longer alive and well.
But a lot of these groups that accuse you and have come against you, it's like, it's weird because you've been banned from a ton of organizations despite having no foreign influence, despite having no foreign money.
Can you please tell me?
Because I'm really concerned about that.
Like, when did the banning of you begin?
When did people start to take you down?
And like, explain to me every place you've been deleted and banned from for literally taking a contrarian view.
And by the way, I want to tell the audience, I don't fucking know half the shit that Jackson even believes.
And we're going to talk about it later in the show.
So I'm just trying to be fair here and be as honest as possible with this because I'm totally against banning 100%, even for my political enemies.
I don't think that censorship is the best goal, especially when it comes from a private enterprise disagreeing with your ideas and preventing you, not from just like coming into their gift shop, but from banking, from traveling, from commerce.
These things are extremely dangerous and detrimental to a country.
So Jackson, tell me a little bit about, yeah, exactly what happened.
When did the banning start?
Why did it start?
And where is it at today?
jackson hinkle
I think the bannings begin when you begin to challenge the agenda of finance capital.
And, you know, I know we're on YouTube, but people say like, oh, you know, this person does that.
This person runs this.
It's like, well, no, not really.
It's Wall Street.
It's City of London.
That's who controls whether or not we're going to go to war with Ukraine.
BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, they control what you see on the media.
So it's really just finance capital.
And, you know, it's not about one group or another.
It's about who the monopolists are.
And that's really all it's ever been.
And when I challenged the monopolists when it comes to the Ukraine war, when I said, hey, look, Ukraine's going to lose.
Russia is going to take a lot of territory.
Russian men are going to die.
Lots more Ukrainian men are going to die.
That's sad.
And we should stop that with a ceasefire as soon as possible.
That will guarantee the safety of the people in the Donbass, of course.
That's when the ban started to take place.
So that's when I was banned.
And it comes straight from government and government associated entities.
The first was Twitch.
Twitch was pressured into banning me and other streamers that were objectively pro-Russian because there was a group called the Tech Transparency Project who was working with Nina Jankowix at the Biden's Disinformation Czard team at the, what was it?
That was the Homeland Security for a brief stint of time.
And they were working and we uncovered in FOIA reports that they colluded with this nonprofit organization called the Tech Transparency Project, which is funded by the Omidiar Network, Soros, Open Societies Foundation, a whole host of other groups to take me down.
And then once you get one, the rest just follow.
So it was like, it was Twitch, it was Venmo, it was PayPal, it was WhatsApp, it was YouTube, it was all my merchandise, it was everything.
So the only things I have left now are, oddly enough, Instagram.
I don't post a whole lot of, I usually don't post a whole lot of political stuff on Instagram.
I've kind of changed that recently.
And I have Rumble and X, and those are really the only homes of free speech, the latter two.
elijah schaffer
Right.
Didn't you just get banned, though, off of Instagram a little while ago or something like that?
jackson hinkle
I got mass reported.
I didn't, I've, I've been very careful about the political things I post on Instagram for obvious reasons.
So like I'm just posting like political cartoons, for example.
And my account blew up and I think I got mass reported.
So they took me down for like 24 hours and then they put me back up.
But they also did remove my ability to get subscriptions on Instagram.
So I can't do subscriptions anymore.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, we're going to talk about that.
I do want to talk about the money later.
I don't want to get into that yet because I think it's a really good topic because a lot of people obviously accuse everybody's always accused of being a grifter or this or that.
This is why I want to get to your views before discussing what the critics say, because I think we can answer a lot of questions like that we're interested in before we even get to that.
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I'm continuing here with my guest, Jackson Hinkle, and we're both celebrating and going over some of the crazy stuff that's gone on in your life and what's been happening.
You know, when I go to your page here, I'm going to see if I can bring this up.
Absolutely insane, right?
And I think a lot of what fuels life today is jealousy.
I think people are jealous of you.
I really do, right?
You're a Chad.
You're white.
That might not be important to some people, but some people get really mad when white men are successful.
That's a true statement.
It really is true.
And you have a beautiful fiancé, which we'll talk about later as well.
And you have 2.1 million followers.
This sort of is something that I know is not common to have this amount of followers, right?
You get the Cernovich, the Pesobics, celebrities, et cetera.
This is an extremely high amount of people.
And you got here by taking a very directed and hard stance in favor of Palestine.
And we'll talk about Ukraine after this, even though it's before, because I think this is the more pressing issue.
Let's talk about Palestine.
Your critics say that you just grifted your way, man, that you like just got mad because you got banned off of YouTube.
And then all of a sudden you just decided to follow the next grift.
And now you're running a Twitter, as they say, to collect subscriptions or to collect money off of people who are upset about Palestine.
So let's talk about that narrative.
Let's start with YouTube.
Talk to me about how you got banned off of YouTube, why you got banned off of YouTube and what their justifications were.
Because you were a very, very avid creator on there.
You're on Rumble now.
But obviously, that's how they start, right?
With the biggest ones down.
Tell me what happened there.
jackson hinkle
Well, YouTube I've had for years, like three years or so, I think.
And they, yeah, almost three years, three years, like, I think to this month.
But anyways, they, I got to 300,000 subscribers on YouTube.
Most of that was based off of like content I did about foreign policy related to the Russia-Ukraine war and also geopolitics with China, Africa, stuff like that.
But the thing is that for everyone who followed me after the Palestine, the recent, you know, all oxal flood, everything that's followed, they don't know, they don't know how much everyone was lying.
Some of them do, but most people don't know how much they were lying about Ukraine as well.
And I don't want to go into specifics right now, but it's the same old copy-paste solution for the deep state.
Whenever the public isn't really buying what's going on with a war, they see people dying.
They're like, really, should we be funding this?
They just copy and paste the same lies over and over again.
And it's not just Ukraine.
You can go back decades and decades, as we all know.
But they banned me when I was in Russia.
I personally think it was because I was in Russia.
I was showing the world about what was going on in Russia.
You have Sleepy Joe telling the world that like Russia is crumbling.
The sanctions are working.
I was just in Russia.
Their economy is growing.
The U.S. is going further into debt.
Russia's major cities, while they're more limited, they don't have as many.
Their major cities are booming.
They've got incredible infrastructure.
In the far East, which I didn't get to go to, and it's, it's beautiful, the people are skinny, they're healthy, like family.
First, it's a great country and they lie about it, and I was showing that, so I think they banned me and then I had x.
I don't know what happened.
I have my theories as to what happened but um, it blew up definitely with the, with the war in Gaza, and people see me exposing the lies that now Israel's pushing about this.
So uh, I think it's good.
You know people want um, the truth and I think hopefully, you know I can't get everything right no one does but I try my best.
elijah schaffer
So yeah well yeah, and I think one of the crazy parts about being banned on Youtube um, to be fair here is, like you can be banned without being banned right, like Youtube has what Youtube is notorious.
I think a lot of people complain about shadow bans, but Youtube is pretty open.
So is Google that they really do censor people for not, you know, having the right ideas and you know we've hit every single wrong idea and a lot of where your, your reach comes from is through uh impressions, and not only are we demonetized on Youtube entirely, so if you guys aren't subscribed to, to Jackson's Rumble.
If you're not subscribed to my Rumble uh, don't be retarded.
Click the links below, make sure you join.
But it's like you know, we have over.
We have like over 550 000 subscribers and if you look at our impressions which means how many people did they show the video to it's very often under 50 000, it's very often around 35 000, and so you know, when you look at it, if a video gets 15, 20 000 views, you're getting 70 60 of people that got recommended the video are watching it, but nobody's getting recommended the video and the channel's hard to find in the search or they don't recommend your new content.
So they essentially silence you.
Before they they, they shut you off but you were doing pretty well right, and then they demonetized you am I correct?
Before they shut you down, didn't they demonetize you?
jackson hinkle
No yeah yeah, they demonetized me like a year and a half ago.
So uh, I was struggling with that, not having income.
They're still running ads on my stuff.
You know, you helped connect me with some people, which i'm eternally grateful for um, and they helped out a lot.
And uh, you know because, like you, basically when you lose all the income.
You lose the revenue and they're still running the ads.
You need something to keep you afloat and you want to keep doing the show.
You don't want to be like Alex Jones, going bankrupt and whatnot, but they're going to try to do that to all of us.
You know they're, once the demonetization stop working and they're like, oh, they can get money through x subscriptions or they can get money through doing gold sponsors or whoever sponsors.
You know it's like that's when they're going to start taking the next step of the Alex Jones model, because he's always the canary in the coal mine.
They're going to start suing all of us and I actually got threatened with a lawsuit last week by another media outlet and um, fortunately they dropped it.
But you know what i'm saying.
It's like that's, that's the next step here.
elijah schaffer
Yeah and like, but I but I bring this up just because I want to remind people that you got to follow Rumble, because the time of this channel is up as well, and I feel sympathetic for you and I did.
You know, and I think what's weird is a lot of people don't know how to talk to people that they disagree with on things like we'll talk about this a little bit after this subject about what you mean by mega communism.
I kind of think it's bullshit.
But I also respect that you think for yourself and I don't think you're bullshit.
I don't think you're stupid because you think differently than Me.
And I, and I feel like that's really a lost art of just having a different perspective and not needing the person to shut the fuck up or like delete them, right?
And I don't know what happened to that.
It's like, why can't we debate?
Why can't we have different ideas?
And we're finding this out because the reason why they have to shut us up is because their ideas are not only bad, they're not true.
The entire narrative that they've built about the Ukraine war is false.
I want to bring up an important video here to remind people about why they deleted you.
You were warning, I was warning a lot of people warning that the Ukraine war was a bad idea, that Russia would win.
Russia has won.
They haven't admitted it yet, but Russia did win the war.
And this is so crazy.
Check out these.
This is the recruits.
Today, this is a video of the look at the age and the demeanor.
They're trying to give a morale.
These are Ukrainian recruits.
Watch this.
unidentified
All right, I'm putting that on you.
elijah schaffer
I can't listen to that anymore.
But, okay, let's, dude, I mean, look, so the point is, is that you really did get deleted because you were a part of the counter information.
And I really appreciate your perspective on Russia and Ukraine, by the way.
I have to say that because I myself had videos pulled at my old network, which I can't mention by name when talking like this, for in the very beginning for warning about this.
Part of the reason why one of my old shows broke down in written legal letters was a monologue I went on on air about how I was mad at people that are on the show with me for telling the Ukrainians, go defend your homeland and stuff.
And I was like, I was telling them, like, no, they're going to die.
They're going to lose.
Like, you don't, you're not, you're fighting Russia.
You're not fighting fucking Afghanistan.
Like, like, the U.S. lost Afghanistan.
They lost Iraq.
Like, you're not going to win this war against Ukraine.
It's not going to work.
And there was a, you know, they deleted instead of fighting that narrative, people like me got in trouble.
We got things pulled away.
We lost things we loved, got demonetized, lost our channels, and then they shut down all opposition media.
So it's like early on, you called this, man.
You called us.
So what's going through your head when you're seeing, you know, because this is relating to Palestine and what's going on now between Israel, you were warning people that this is what was going to happen.
You're just going to end up putting retards, old people.
They're putting mentally ill and handicapped people in the front lines, by the way.
This is what's going to happen.
And this is the, this is a losing country.
You predicted this and you got in trouble for it.
How does that make you feel?
jackson hinkle
Well, it makes you feel, as I'm sure you can relate, because you knew this too.
It makes you feel like, A, I wish people listen because wow, we were a thousand percent dead on the money from day one, February 24th, 2022, and prior.
You know, number two, it makes you feel like this is horrendous that we were correct.
Like this is actually horrific that we were so on point because it is as bad as we all said it was going to be.
400,000 plus dead Ukrainians.
I mean, that's, that's insane.
That's insane.
And then the other, the other, you know, thing is like, makes you feel like, well, no one, I mean, it's kind of because the whole Israel sag is happening right now.
No one's paying attention to the fact that this morning, morning Joe, Joe Scarby, whatever his name is, he said that Ukraine has lost.
Russia's winning.
No one's paying attention to that because of Israel.
But you do wish people learn, but you know, they're not going to learn because they didn't learn about Russia gate.
They didn't learn about, you know, the jab.
They didn't learn about any of this stuff.
So, and the jab was safe and effective.
That's what I mean.
So, you know, it's like they, they never learn.
And now we're going into the next stage with what's going on in the Middle East.
And gosh, I mean, yeah, you have a, you have a larger population right now in America that's ever disagreed with the official status quo narrative about the situation there than ever before.
68% of Americans are on my side, I guess.
I don't know exactly what your side is, but so 68% of Americans, that's more than ever before.
That's more Americans that agreed on this matter.
And I think are personally correct than were correct about the start of Ukraine war.
For a while, everyone was pro-Ukraine until just like several months ago.
And so I think it's good, but I think no one's ever going to learn.
And I think that's the sad thing until it really bites us in the butt.
Then they'll learn.
elijah schaffer
Well, I think you brought up a pretty good point here.
And this is a good point of contention.
Like I mentioned about the accusations about people saying, oh, well, you know, he's like he's grifting or whatever on this.
People that just found out about you because of the Israel-Hamas conflict don't know that you've been very vocal on conflicts for the last several years.
So this has actually been, I would say, your for your forte, right?
So you've, you've genuinely been focusing, but on a different conflict because, you know, people want to want to provide whatever they say about the war, but you were being upfront.
You were being honest.
And this is where it's interesting for me, like dealing with your take on this stuff, because part of me sees what you say, that the West is in support of a ceasefire, that they are in support of Palestine and Gaza.
And I do think that's true.
I think it's a generational gap, right?
I think that the boomers and people that are over 45 probably majority support Israel or at least half half.
And probably anyone under 35 probably supports Palestine at like a three to four ratio, like 75%.
But to me, a lot of these protests that we're seeing in the West for Palestine, they're just the BLM people.
Like I, I mean, I worked with the BLM protests for a lot.
It's a lot of the same Marxist groups.
And obviously you're not against Marxism, but they're using a lot of the same tactics, right?
We're seeing the shaking and the damaging of the gates at the White House, the sieging at the Democrat National Committee, the headquarters.
We're seeing at the Capitol, we're seeing break-ins at university centers, violence, breaking down police lines.
And a lot of people that are in the 45-plus age go, well, you guys just told us that we're supposed to be against the BLM people.
These people are destroying the country.
And they're basically not really fighting for anything, right?
They're Marxists, but they were a corrupt organization.
They funneled money into private property.
They didn't really help the black community in any way, whether you agree or disagree with their ideas.
Why would we support the Free Palestine movement?
Because the people who are supporting it in my country today look like the exact same people.
What are your thoughts on that?
jackson hinkle
Well, I'd say, first of all, those people, whatever labels they claim to apply them to themselves, Marxist, communist, whatever, it's like they're really not.
And we can get into that later.
I'll briefly say that the point of critique that's made for these leftists that walk around with their, you know, their pride flags and they're saying, you know, queers for Gaza, for example.
And rational people like myself and you can look at that and laugh and say, ha ha ha, that's so funny.
Because if you were in Gaza, we know, you know, what would go on.
That's the same thing about Stalin and Shea Govara.
If those college blue-haired leftists were in the Soviet Union or in Cuba, same thing would happen there.
So I really don't think they know what they're talking about.
And I also would say that, yeah, there's like in the Ben Shapiro video we played at the start, they're supporting Gaza and Palestine, but it's for different reasons.
And Andrew Tate talked about this too, you know, and he's done a whole lot for Gaza and Tristan has as well.
They support Gaza because like they see everything through the point of view of David and Goliath.
They're like, well, Palestine, small, Israel, large military, well-financed.
So we support Palestine.
Well, that's the same way they looked at Ukraine.
Ukraine, smaller country, smaller population, whatever, not a big military.
So we're going to support them against the big Russians.
That's how they see literally everything.
And so I'm not surprised that they support Palestine.
But I've been supporting Palestine for quite a while.
Like in 2021, I went to some, you know, mostly peaceful protests, as they say, about Palestine.
I really don't think that the protesting usually does a whole lot.
I mean, it's good that they, you know, I'm like indifferent.
Obviously, I don't want people defacing stuff.
I don't like that, but I don't really care.
I've never attended any of these like recently or anything or in years.
And I think I used to be a like more of a leftist.
So that's probably why I believed in it.
But I think that I will say one last thing.
The only thing that I think is important and can sometimes be interesting and usually doesn't do much, but it's sometimes interesting is have you seen the videos where like they like break into like a like a Raytheon factory or they go on the jet skis in front of the tanker that's shipping like like M1 M12 Abrams or like they're sending javelins somewhere and they stop the barge from actually moving.
That stuff's kind of interesting, but I don't know.
Other than that, I don't see the purpose.
elijah schaffer
Well, dude, listen, so I'm fully with you on this.
And I think that's very interesting because I think that people can't in these movements separate the facts of something like this, where it's like, oh, well, Jackson Hinkle supports Palestine.
So he supports defacing, you know, the White House and he supports, you know, breaking, you know, just throwing shit at cars and stomping trucks on the road.
And it's like, well, no, he doesn't.
And because he's not a retard, because he knows that this is just like we saw Antifa disagree with the Palestinian free Palestine protesters when they were fighting for kids to be able to be transgender in Gaza.
And the Arabs were like, no, that's against their religion.
You are the dumbest piece of shit ever.
Clearly, leftism is splintered in the United States.
And there is a movement of people that are Arab.
This is what I wanted to bring up to you is aside from the bullshit people like Hassan Piker and the queers for Palestine.
And we know those people are retarded.
And maybe they, maybe we should take a rule book out of Gaza and treat them here the way that they would treat them there.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm joking.
Maybe I'm not.
Who knows?
But on the Arab side, what do you think about the fact that someone like me is concerned about where I see that a lot of the people protesting in the streets, like in London, for instance, where there's some of the biggest protests is because to me, London is Londonstan and that there's this global replacement migration going on in Western nations.
And so we have a ton of these Arab people who on the flip side, it's great.
They oppose woke nonsense and the LGBT agenda and this gayification of the countries.
But on the other hand, their solution is Sharia and they want to see that our countries become Islamified and we feel like we don't want them and that they're not congruent with Christian nationalism, et cetera.
Like, what do you think about that?
Because that worries me, right?
I don't see this as being a natural grassroots people protesting.
I see the dumb shit leftists that I hate and these immigrants, which I'm not saying are all bad people, but I don't want Islam in my country.
What do you think about those people, the Islamists, the Sharia's, the people coming in that seem to make up at least a third or half the block of the protesters from what I've seen in the videos?
jackson hinkle
Yeah, I mean, I can't really speak to the populations in Central Western Europe with regard to that.
What I can say is, first of all, you know, Russia and China are two countries that have huge Muslim populations, and they've been able to appropriately integrate them into, you know, the broader society of their country, introducing China Confucian tradition while also respecting like halal meals and allowing for, you know, their five prayers a day, whatever.
Russia's built a ton of mosques.
And I've been to China briefly.
I've been to Russia longer and like, you know, I didn't go to like Chechnya.
I didn't go to Dagestan, right?
But there's still a lot of Muslims in Moscow and stuff.
So there's a way for like, I guess, a good number of people to live in harmony and whatnot.
I guess maybe when you have when you, I mean, London's pretty crazy right now, but the demographic shake up there.
But, you know, I think the problem is that probably a lot of Muslims, like real Muslims, I think agree with a lot of the cultural values that, you know, at least me as an Orthodox Christian.
I don't know about the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church is doing some interesting things with the LGBT community right now.
But I think a lot of Christians can agree with a lot of Muslims on basic, you know, values.
There's obviously some big differences.
But when it comes to what we have in the U.S. and the U.S., if you look in our major cities, with the exception of maybe like the Northwest with like Minnesota, Michigan, for example, if you look at our like New York, LA, Orange County, like I lived in Orange County my whole life, and there's a lot of Iranian, there's a lot of Persians, there's a lot of people from the Arab world, but a lot of these people are like, I call them diasporoids.
Like they, they're, they're the rejects, they're, you know, the ugly ducklings of their countries, and they hate their countries.
They hate the fact that their country is, you know, that the way they are to the pride community and whatnot.
So they come here and they just like live to the fullest extent of wokeism in West Hollywood.
So I think those people are actually kind of a problem in the way that they're pushing the wokeism.
And I'll also say the last thing I'll say is real Muslims, real Arab dudes, like I agree a whole lot more with them about cultural values and probably foreign policy than I do with some of these Zionists.
So it's like, you know?
elijah schaffer
Well, okay, it's funny you mentioned West Hollywood.
I mean, from I'm from Hollywood.
That's why I speak like an 18-year-old girl from the valley.
It just gets in the water.
jackson hinkle
I live nearby too.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like born and raised LA boy.
And unfortunately, right, I mean, yeah, it's, it's the, probably the most sodomized situation you could ever be in.
It's, you are either forcibly sodomized in the butt or your eyes.
I say that every day because, you know, it's like it's a molestation capital.
And if you don't, if you make it out and you're not married to a man, you've done better than 95% of the people.
But the chances of you being molested is like 50, 50.
And the chances of you having to still get counseling for the shit you've seen on the street is 100%.
And so it's literally, I mean, genuinely, it's a scary place to be.
And I would agree, right?
When I'm there, I feel foreign.
Something feels wrong.
That's why I left.
That's why I moved to Texas.
I don't like it.
But I just, I wonder so much as to like, are you just being cautious with how you talk about Islam because of the followers that you've gained that are Islamic?
Because I mean, like, listen, I have Muslim friends too, right?
I think the guys from Fresh and Fit are Muslim, right?
Like Myron and shit, right?
Aren't they Muslim?
I think so.
I mean, these are called Sniko's Muslim, or at least I think he's Muslim, yeah, yeah.
And uh, and I, you know, I have a uh, my one of my my, I know, I'm not gonna say how I know him, but basically, one of my brothers' good employees is a great friend.
He's you know, he's Muslim, and so you know, I know a lot of Muslim people, and we do share a lot of values, you're 100% correct, but I don't want Muslim culture, like I don't even want Arabic culture, right?
I want the West to stay the West, I want the West to stay uh Christian, and I know that, yeah, there's a difference if maybe Russia is such a large landmass and has you know integrated people or you know, China.
I know that the move to demonize the Uyghurs is a part of the Zionist anti-you know, China break apart the one China policy.
Believe me, I'm already read on this stuff, I understand, but in the in the West, it's different, right?
These aren't people that have naturally lived here, these are not people that are already here.
We're importing them a decade in the millions of people.
And by the way, I want to say this: just like there are plenty of good Muslims, there's a whole lot of shitty ones, and you can ask Muslims on that too.
And it's not like we have some sort of a high-selection process where we're just knocking people out because they're Muslim.
I just mean we're importing a shit ton of people from the third world that happen to be Muslim that necessarily don't share educated Western values that may not believe they want to, you know, an infinitara, they want this stuff.
And you see this in the protests, and that's why I'm nervous, man, because I see like I'm like, Yeah, I'm for Palestine not being bombed indiscriminately, but I'm also not for infinada, right?
I'm not for, I don't know why I said that in a Spanish accent, it's the LA shit, but I'm not for this this this Islamic rise.
And I disagree with Andrew Tate, though I totally think he's a, he's a, he's a force for good now in the world, even though he made a lot of mistakes and he's doing a lot of good in the world and making up for a lot of the past mistakes.
I don't want that shit, so it's like it's really hard for me to get on board with it's hard for me, man, because I've lost a lot of friends.
I mean, I've burned a lot of bridges because I say that I don't want Israel to bomb Palestine.
And my own family members that are Zionists think that I'm either a BLM person that wants to break a capital or I'm like this pro-Islamification person who wants the West to become a Muslim nation.
And it's hard to separate the two.
And I don't know if you do, but how do you explain there?
How can you separate where you stand from those two movements?
I know you kind of already did the leftists, but from the Muslim side.
jackson hinkle
I honestly, I think a lot of those people, if you go to, I mean, like I said, I've been to those protests.
Granted, I went to one in LA.
I've been to a couple in LA, and I met the, I literally have met tons of Palestinians in LA.
And it was like, I remember because, you know, they were totally lefties.
They were young Palestinians from Palestine who still have family there.
But again, these are like the ugly ducklings.
They come here and they push their wokeism.
So, like, I remember after it was in 2021, and like people were wondering if there's going to be another Intifada that broke out.
And, you know, there was a big bombing campaign that Israel's launching.
And everyone was talking about it.
I was covering it on my show.
And then, like, as soon as that ended, and I started to get a bit more culturally conservative and I started to grow up and like look at the church and look at what's going on in the world.
And I started to learn.
Then those lefty Palestinians unfollowed me all.
And now they're some of my biggest attackers on Twitter.
You know, they make up insane lies.
But I guess for the real Muslims that have like their beliefs, whatever, and there's many beliefs, but I say more power to you if you want to go do that in your own country.
Frankly, I don't care who runs whatever country so long as they're not entirely financed by like the U.S. deep state.
You know, I want their own countries to choose how to run themselves.
So go choose to do whatever Sharia law you want to do.
But in America, we're going to have American values, and that's as simple as it is.
And we have to fight that.
We have to fight the other influences that are woke and some other influences from other countries, you know?
And I just think it's as simple as that.
But again, I will say that out of all of those values and ideologies, I think like a cowboy Taliban is like, that's like, that's like the brave Mujahideen.
Like, you know, it's like Ronald Reagan style cowboy Taliban.
Like that's the closest that there is.
So I think that's the least of our worries.
unidentified
All right.
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We got to talk about this.
Okay, so kind of going away from bullshit in the background of everything that's going on.
You got banned on YouTube, and then all of a sudden this war breaks out with Israel and with Palestine.
We'll go into the Zayo stuff after this.
But you were kind of left.
I didn't say you didn't have money, but they took away your income streams and you're left with X. Musk has bought X.
He said that it's a place of free speech.
And you start going in and the entire Zionist apparatus that owns most of the media.
I don't know how Zionist right-wing people keep saying that the media is against the Jews.
I've never thought, I've never felt that ever.
I've never seen that.
Maybe I'm wrong.
What started you into deciding that you were going to counter produce information to the IDF and Mossad in Israel and try to clarify narratives?
Like, how did you get started on that, man?
jackson hinkle
Well, I've done it in the past.
Like I brought up a little earlier, like when the in 2021, there was a horrific bombing campaign that Israel took upon Gaza.
And it was like same thing then, you know?
So I was doing that then.
I just had no followers.
And Israel's bombed Syria quite a bit and the U.S. bombed Syria under Trump, as did the UK and France.
And I covered that in extensive detail.
That was the first time I kind of got a boost, a bump following.
I debated Vosh about some claims about Syria and it went viral.
But I guess that's just what I like to do.
I like to talk about foreign policy.
Some people like to talk about domestic politics, whatever.
I like to talk about foreign policy and wars.
And this is a big one.
And I, you know, I guess that I've just always kind of followed it in the back burner, but, you know, it was blown up.
And when it comes to, you know, I didn't even know how much I was going to go into.
I didn't think it was going to last that long at first when it initially took place.
I didn't really know what was going to happen.
We still don't really know what's going to happen, how long it's going to last.
Israel's a casualty averse military, so they don't really like to get a lot of casualties.
They usually stop things pretty quick and they're not right now.
So when it happened, you know, I had a lot of friends and even some people I work with were still, you know, for whatever reason, they got family there, friends there.
They're still pro-Israel, like you kind of discussed.
And it's like, you got to pick your battles and some battles you don't want to fight because you know it's going to ruin friendships.
And that for me was kind of what I was seeing.
And then it was like, even very pro-Israel people, Scott Ritter, for example, former UN weapons inspector, he was so pro-Israel.
And you see what's happening right now.
And it's like, first of all, the lies and then the war crimes and atrocities.
And it's like, it almost makes me sick not to talk about it.
I feel like I have to talk about it.
So that's why I talk about it.
And there's just so many crazy lies to expose.
And I think it's fun and entertaining and important to do it.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
elijah schaffer
So this is what I think is crazy too is as I fucking hate people in general.
And I have gotten to that point, but I also know that you are a Christian.
You said you're an Orthodox Christian.
How long have you been in or in the Orthodox Church or pursuing that?
jackson hinkle
As new as you can be, just a few months.
elijah schaffer
Excellent, man.
I'm looking into Orthodoxy myself.
I just joined a men's fellowship.
I've been going to studies and group.
I'm trying to get back in line with my Christian faith, realign my life, get my vices under control, get my attitude, my character.
It's going to be a long process.
So I'm with you on that.
But one thing I do know about you is that you're not disingenuous.
You are authentic.
You do say what you think and you don't lie.
It's very easy to tell when people are lying.
And there's a lot of people who say things that I agree with that I know are just saying it to say it.
And you might say things I disagree with at times, but I can respect you more for that.
But you took this stance, man, and you came out and you really took like an anti-I'm being honest.
It's like a total anti-Israel occupier, pro-Gaza, pro-Palestinian, not just like end the war.
You came out with like a Western representative that is parroting and speaking the pro-Palestine talking points to the extent that I would say Ben Shapiro or Dennis Preger or Glenn Beck or Charlie Kirk sort of parrot the pro-Zionist talking points.
Are you genuinely like, can you talk to the audience here and tell me, like as a person face to face, nobody's watching us, like, is this really authentic, man?
Or is it, or are you just making content?
Because I'll be honest, sometimes I'm just making content, right?
Sometimes I'm just posting funny videos or shit.
Like, I'm not, I'm not invested in the half the videos that I think are just fun.
They're just funny.
I mean, it's not, I'm not, I'm not, it's not wrong, but like, do you really believe this shit?
Like, you're going hard, bro, and you're going hard because people are saying you don't.
And they're accusing you of doing it for subscriptions.
And that's the part I wanted to hit now.
Do you believe what you're saying?
Do you really care about these people?
Do you really, do you really believe they're occupiers?
Or are your critic, is there any truth to what your critics are saying?
Can you clarify that?
jackson hinkle
Yeah, I mean, I think we can talk more about the details on Rumble, but I'll say a little bit now, 100%.
You know, I've cared about this issue quite a bit for some time.
And my, here, I'll show you this one second.
My awakening to this issue came when I read this book right here by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.
And it wasn't so much about the power of political lobbying groups so much as like the history of the country in and of itself that woke me up.
I was like, whoa, like this is crazy.
I didn't know all this stuff.
Like I kind of felt some of these things, but I didn't know all this stuff.
I read that book years ago.
And that was the first, and I've read other books like about it, but that was the first book.
And it was by John Mearsheimer, who's like a classical liberal.
You know, he's not some crazy lefty, righty, whatever.
He's like a very center of the road, like influential scholar guy.
And that kind of woke me up.
But, you know, I'm all for the resistance.
I don't see the, I see the existence of this state right now as it currently presents itself as an opportunity for the U.S. to manipulate Middle Eastern affairs to a great ordeal and to a great deal.
And I think that has really bad ramifications for obviously the people of the West Bank, of Gaza, and, you know, many Palestinians as live within Israel.
But also, I think that I really do believe that it has terrible ramifications for us on the global stage.
There's no reason why the U.S. should be, you know, just in the same way that it hurts us to support Ukraine because Russia is one of the leaders in BRICS, developing new, you know, challenges to the dollar as a global reserve currency.
They are building lots of new relationships with countries like Saudi Arabia, for example.
It's like it hurts us to go against Russia.
We should be pushing for peace dialogue.
And even if you hate the Russians, you should accept that we should at least be pushing for business relations with them.
Same thing with all these Arab states.
There's no reason why we should piss off Turkey, a NATO member, even though I think we should disband NATO.
There's no reason why we should piss off the Saudis or the Persians in Iran.
I mean, they're one of the, like in April of 2024, I think, or 2023, they were like the fourth largest oil producing nation that month in the world.
And they just, they're joining BRICS.
So it's like, there's no reason to piss off these countries.
I fully support the resistance.
I do believe that, and we'll get into this on Rumble, but I do believe those things about Israel.
So, yeah, I think I don't know why people say I'm disingenuous, but I guess people can have their opinions.
But as we said at the start, other people's opinions are as good as toilet paper.
elijah schaffer
Well, let's okay.
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So let's talk about your views on this.
So you come out with this pro-Palestinian, pro-Gaza message.
You said that you started your views from reading the Israel lobby.
What are your views?
Let's go with, let's go with something very basic.
What are your views on the state of Israel?
Is this a legitimate country?
unidentified
Are we still on X?
elijah schaffer
Do we need to cut X too or no?
unidentified
We don't need to.
jackson hinkle
I'm just wondering because Elon put out some guidelines about that.
Let's leave it on.
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I can be.
jackson hinkle
Oh, they said X is off.
elijah schaffer
Okay, X, X is off.
Okay, X is off.
All right, we're just on Rumble and Censored.
unidentified
go as hard as you want we're good he hasn't censored anyone yet about saying like something as benign as free palisine whatever river to the sea but it's like censored locals And yeah, you're like, there's no censorship where we're at right now.
jackson hinkle
Yeah, I don't think Israel is a real country.
I don't see the point of it existing.
This is a holy land for many people.
The idea that we're going to make, you know, the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, I think was an insane decision.
I think that everything with the Abraham Accords was an effort to put this issue of Palestine on the back burners.
They were doing a lot of stuff with the West Bank, the clearing out of further set, adding more settlements, clearing out of Palestinians recently, like around October when this all started to happen.
And I think that's why they're cut off guard when the Hamas launched this Alexa flood into the Israeli-Gaza border.
But I think that it happened because I like, I think this all happened because of the Abraham Accords, because these nations were air nations who were the only allies of the Palestinians were starting to normalize relations with Israel.
And Hamas, probably with a lot of training and preparation over years with the IRGC, said, we are going to do this sleuth attack and it is going to cause the most unholy of responses from Israel.
The world is going to turn on Israel and then we're going to engage in a war with Israel on our terrain and maybe Hezbollah, IRGC, maybe even Syria, Turkey, who knows, will join in.
So I think that's what's happening.
elijah schaffer
Well, and what I think is interesting too about this entire spew of what's going on is that Israel, you have to have the assumption, right, that Israel is a legitimate country and that Palestine's not.
And there's a lot of people who explained that, you know, I even saw some of Babylon B individuals sharing today that the land does belong to Israel because of biblical text.
So how do you justify that as a Christian, right?
With the Bible, you know, talking about that he gave this land to them.
Does that represent the modern state of Israel?
Or how do you justify what does that mean that God gave this land to them?
And how do you justify that with the current state of Israel or justify being against the current state of Israel?
jackson hinkle
Well, I think there's no continuity with that.
And I think that with like a modern Israeli state, and that's why a lot of like very strict, you know, they call themselves like the real Jews, like Torah, Judaism, Orthodox, like a lot of these guys oppose the Israeli state, not just because of the war crimes being committed, but because they say, well, you know, chronologically, there cannot be a state of Israel.
And that's why they won't recognize a constitution in the country because it'd piss off a lot of, you know, these Orthodox Jewish people.
There can't be an Orthodox or an Israeli state yet because certain things haven't happened, second coming of Christ, whatever.
But like, that's what their idea is.
Like, there can't be an Israeli state until that happens.
So that's why they're upset.
I think that, I think that it's quite clear that Christians, Jews, Muslims all have some stake in this land, whatever.
But like at the end of the day, that's not why Israel was created.
You know, that's not why Israel was created.
You look back to any world leader at the time, be it the Brits, be it the Americans, be it the fact-finding team that went about and looking at Palestine and seeing if they could settle there, be it even the Germans, you know, in the early 30s, they all said, you know, it's either going to be Palestine or the other holy land of Madagascar.
So it was a decision that wasn't made just for that reason.
And I don't think you can say it has to exist just because of that reason.
And what's clear is today it doesn't have any continuity with that reason that it exists today to serve as a vassal of U.S. foreign interests with Arab states in that region.
And that's all we've ever done.
Israel, look at what Israel's done in the past several years.
Has Israel, has Israel acted like God's chosen people?
Well, they were funding Al-Qaeda.
They were funding and arming ISIS in Syria.
They're bombing, you know, Aleppo and Damascus, the two oldest cities on the face of the earth in Syria.
They're bombing Lebanon.
They're bombing Palestinians and ethnically cleansing them.
That sounds a lot more to me like Israel is an arm of the U.S. foreign policy establishment than some like religious project.
elijah schaffer
Dude, well, and I bring up something really interesting here that you do too.
Is there is a difference between being right anti-Jewish or anti-Zionist.
And I think that a lot of Palestinians are actually not anti-Jewish.
They're not anti-Jew.
They're not against this.
There's a lot of Jewish people that are against the current state of Israel.
But a lot of people say that being against the current state of Israel is genocide.
And Elon Musk, as you mentioned earlier, has joined in on that.
Like, if you're talking about the disbanding of the current state of Israel, so since we're not on acts and we're not on YouTube, do you think that we should disband the current state of Israel?
What's your solution?
jackson hinkle
I think that the people, excuse me, who are living there need to decide that for themselves.
And what do I mean by that?
Well, let's break it down.
Firstly, I believe, you know, some people say America first.
I think that's a good slogan.
I also believe like America only is a good slogan because sometimes you have these people that say, well, you know, like the speaker of the house, he's like, I'm for America, but Israel's second.
Let's give money to Israel.
And I think that's insane.
I think it should be zero U.S. foreign aid dollars to anybody.
Maybe, you know, I think, I think zero is a fair number.
But what that means is, is if Israel's getting $0 in foreign aid, $0 in military supplies and, you know, also, I mean, maybe they have some sort of a good rapport intelligence apparatus that they'd maintain five eyes, whatever.
But I think if Israel was cut off today, it wouldn't be more than a few years if that before it fell as a state.
So I think that Israel, if they want to maintain as a state, they need to be able to do it on their own.
We should not have to supply them with billions of dollars every year, you know, but we do that right now.
I think without it, they would fall and or they'd be forced to use nukes, which is not really a good option either.
And they claim they don't have them, but we know they do.
And I think from that point onward, you're probably going to have a lot of the Israelis, a lot of the Zionists, rather, who go back to wherever their families are from.
Maybe it's in Europe, maybe it's Russia, maybe it's America, Latin America, who knows?
Argentina, they're going to go back to wherever their roots are, whatever that means.
And then you're going to have some that are left over.
And there's going to be one state, and the people who stay there are going to decide how to govern that state.
And that's not for me to decide or you to decide.
That's for them to decide.
And yeah, I think that's a pretty good summary.
elijah schaffer
Dude, so this is, this is, let's, let's go down even further here because I feel like conflicted, right?
I was a good Zionist boy and I, you know, I come from the big conservative networks.
And as I started to question things and read more, you know, I came from always a genuine place.
unidentified
I slowly got edged out.
elijah schaffer
And I won't go into any more details.
But eventually you're not welcomed in the place, right?
And, you know, it's like always the same thing.
Once you know, they don't want you in the club, you won't be in the club.
Luckily, I'm at a point where I don't want to be in the club anymore.
I have no desire.
You know, with all the drama or things that have happened in my life over the years, I basically lost no connections.
I lost no friends.
The only time that I've lost friends has been over this topic, actually.
I've lost all.
I've burned.
I kept about 95% of my bridges, even with bullshit that I've gone through in my life.
And I've lost like 80% of those in the last six weeks by just not taking a staunchly Zionist approach, which I think is crazy.
Even some of my own audiences abandoned me because obviously I built them over in those corners and they're like, like I said, oh, so you're questioning the narrative.
You must be a queers for Palestine leftist or you must be, you know, a jihadist.
And I'm like, no, no, no.
Sometimes you can disagree with everybody.
And not even to be contrarian.
I just don't really agree.
I think I cannot support these protests in America because I think they're disingenuous.
I don't think everyone at them are.
I think there's plenty of great people, probably a third of the people that just know what's going on and they're there and they care about Palestine.
But there's a lot of dumb fucking, you know, idiots that are there too.
However, when it comes to Israel, I'm split, man, because here's the deal.
Like, I think biblically, eschatologically, that like God said they were going to return.
He predicts they were going to return to their land.
And he does say that he's going to use them.
But I always point out to the dispensationalists who were funded by Zionists, by the way, in their theology, that it doesn't say that they repented and it doesn't say that they gave their hearts back to God.
It actually says, you know, all previous times they returned from diaspora that they were repented and now their hearts are hardened.
So it doesn't say that God is on their side.
It just says that God will use them.
And I remind people that, you know, one of the only other times we see in the Bible that it uses the same terminology of, you know, like after Jesus died and rose again, that God hardened their hearts.
He hardened the hearts of the Jews was with Pharaoh back in Egypt, that he hardened his heart.
So we don't think that Pharaoh was good.
We don't think that the Egyptians were good and we don't think that what he did was good, but we know that God still used him.
So God used him.
And actually, the circumstances are horrible.
And it's really a shitty situation, but God still used him.
And God does use evil people for his will.
He still uses a lot of things, right?
What God, what the enemy meant for evil, God uses for our good.
So just because the state of Israel or the Jews returning is used as a part of his end times plan does not mean that they are good people, that they're doing good in the world, or that I need to support what they're doing because I have no idea what that even means that God's going to be using them, right?
But I do know, ultimately speaking, that when they return, there's going to be a lot of turmoil.
Nations are going to be against nations, et cetera.
But this is an age-old conflict, man.
And it's like, why should I give a fuck?
Why?
Like, my idea is more or less, my position is like, why should I really care about Gaza or care about Israel?
unidentified
Right?
elijah schaffer
This is why I haven't taken the real strong approach you have or Keith Woods or people.
Why should I care about Gaza just as much as why should I care about Israel?
Like, does it really matter?
Or should we just stay the fuck out, let them beef it out and figure their shit out in the region?
Why is that not the better option?
jackson hinkle
Well, first, I'll just say you brought up a good point with everything about the dispensationalism or whatever and the Zionist funding.
But also, a lot of these Torah Jews, the Torah Judaism, like that account on Twitter, they consider all the Zionists right now who believe in the state of Israel and live in Israel, they consider them to be heretics.
So it's like then you enter a conundrum within Judaism itself.
And people are saying, well, because they have the state, it's heresy in their religion.
So it's such a complex issue.
My whole thing is that Israel's used as a pawn, a proxy of, and a very strong one, much stronger than Ukraine relative to the surrounding countries for geopolitical interests.
I think those geopolitical interests only serve the deep state and monopoly capital interests, Wall Street, Raytheon, these big companies.
I think Israel would not exist if we stopped funding them.
It might take a few years, whatever.
It might take some time.
Maybe there's a big war, but I think it would eventually cease to exist.
And also, I would say, you know, the question is, should we just let them work it out?
Yeah, I think we should seize all funding and we should let them work it out.
And I think anyone who could call balls and strikes on Ukraine and that war could call the same balls and strikes about this.
It would only end in one of two ways: Israel being defeated and ceasing to exist, or nuclear war, which is also not fun.
But I think that Israel is, you asked the question about should we stay out?
I think we should stay out.
The problem is we're currently in because we're funding them and our taxpayer dollars are literally like blowing up six-year-olds' legs.
Like it's, you know, it's like dismembering five-year-olds' body parts in Gaza, one of the poorest places on the earth.
And prior to that, you know, it helped funnel them into this.
It really is an open-air prison, regardless of what the Zionists say it is.
It's horrendous living conditions.
They practically, most people cannot leave.
And I think we should be opposed to that, be opposed to our tax dollars being used for war crimes.
And I don't think it's that controversial to say that.
And I guess you could say that and also hypothetically support an Israeli state that doesn't do those things, but that's never going to happen.
unidentified
Well, that okay.
elijah schaffer
So with the Zionist stuff, dude, this stuff trips me the freak out because like I have, I have gotten to such a such a place in my job and what's going on that it's like, like I said, like I have lost.
I can't tell you how many people I've lost of friends, of people.
I have family members who told me I was demon-possessed because I was questioning, like, they only had demons on me.
And then I was, I was speaking to poisoned wells.
And I was like, I just have so many, like, it's crazy.
And like, I even had my wife come to me and be like, dude, my, you know, people that I, I just want, I'll just say this, people that are close to us have spoken to me concerned about your positions on this.
Like, they're trying to get through to me to my, from my wife, even to discuss with me, right?
unidentified
And they're like the Judeo-Christian, like sort of, yeah, yeah, yeah.
elijah schaffer
Like, so evangelical Zionist.
And I'm going, hey, I'm not, I use your name.
I go, I'm not Jackson Hinkle.
Like, dude, I have no, I have, I have not said anything really about anything.
I have just said I have a problem with dual allegiance.
I have a problem with Zionism that conflicts with the, with America.
I wouldn't have, I don't even have a problem with Jewish people being Zionists if and when that had nothing to do with the United States and they just looked out for their country and they were Israel first.
Go ahead or Israel only.
Do dude, the world belongs to those who can conquer it.
So go do what you want.
Go start what wars you want, whether they're just or not.
Go ahead.
If Ukraine wants to fucking fight Russia, all right.
I don't think it's wise, but go ahead.
You know, learn the hard way.
But it's like, it is so interesting that even when you just question like, hey, I'm not even trying to get involved.
I just want to not spend money on this.
And the reason why I care about it is because, you know, what Israel does in the Middle East and continues to do, they use the U.S. to accomplish it.
And then they destabilize regions from Yemen, Libya, Syria, you know, Iraq, Afghanistan.
They destabilize perfectly stable states.
And then the shitty people that the countries don't want, the shitty Arab Muslims that they don't even want their own country, end up moving into our countries.
They resettle these extremists into our lands.
We suffer with terrorist attacks.
And then we have, you know, because we're suffering with woke leftism and this intersectionality, we have grievance politics.
So now it's just one more group of people that we have to deal with.
Like, it's just, what do Muslims think?
You know, so yeah.
So, yeah.
So maybe I do give a shit a little bit about them not starting another war and displacing another 2 million people and causing another possible escalation of conflict, which I know they're trying to do by bombing Lebanon, by bombing Syria, etc.
But let me ask you then, they're trying to escalate things.
It's clear by their, by their strategy, why are other, why, why is it that other Muslim countries, and this is a very old question, but why are Muslim countries not defending Gaza?
Why are other Muslim countries not taking in the Palestinians?
Like, people have a lot of answers for that, but I'd like to hear it from you.
What's so fucked up about Gaza that people don't want to help?
jackson hinkle
They don't got balls like Putin at the end of the day.
That's what it is.
And it's the same thing with China.
I know China has their plans of peaceful reunification with Taiwan and whatever, but like, wouldn't it be, well, maybe you disagree, but I think it would be so great if China just went in and took Taiwan tomorrow.
I'd be the happiest guy on the face of the earth.
And the Taiwanese people would be better off if that happened.
But I think that really, like, you look at all these leaders, you look at Iran, you look at Nasrallah.
Nasrallah can be given some credit.
Iran obviously can be given a lot of credit.
Assad's got his own issues.
You look at Erdogan.
Erdogan could be worse in Turkey, but Erdogan is just kind of a bitch.
He just goes with the wind.
And you look at the, you know, the powerful, you know, Arab states, Gulf states, you look at them.
The UAE is supplying weapons to Israel.
The Saudis are stopping Yemeni drone attacks on Israel.
Jordan is stopping Yemeni drone attacks on Israel.
You look at Qatar.
They're doing a lot in terms of like media lip service and exposing the truth about what's happening.
They're all, you know, it's like just yesterday, Khameni called in Iran.
He called for the Arab leaders to cut off at least temporarily ties with Israel.
And it's not just about like recalling an ambassador or do something.
Turkey is supplying millions and millions and millions of barrels of Azerbaijani oil to Israel through this Turkish oil hub that they have, this pipeline.
So it's like, it's really crazy.
They provide so much lip service.
They have these great protests.
They go out in the press and say, we stay in Palestine.
They're wearing their coats and robes and their kefiyas.
And it's like, but then they're supplying them with oil.
They're supplying them with weapons.
So I think they got so far, not just in the Trump administration, but even prior to that, with the Abraham Accords, normalizing ties with Israel.
They were so close to finalizing everything.
And they understand that doing this, like taking a step in the water of, okay, we're going to open up a second front or we're going to do this.
In the case of Lebanon, they're worried because obviously a lot of, you know, the oligarchical elite in Lebanon are going to be upset if Hezbollah opens a second front.
Israel is going to start bombing Beirut.
You know, it's going to be a bad situation for civilians there as well.
So there's a lot to take into consideration.
I think the ultimate answer for the most powerful states is they're worried about the economic ramifications of getting into an altercation.
So I think they're worried about that.
elijah schaffer
Well, then switching topics a little bit, because I totally get where you stand on this.
I think that puts to rest that thing.
I want to talk about mega communism.
I know you spoke with Luke We Are Change.
You spoke with some other people, but I also want to discuss it here.
It sounds like a bit of an oxymoron because so I understand that like a lot of these communist countries are not allowing this woke nonsense to, I should say, North Korea, China, maybe a few others.
I know Vietnam would be considered proto-communist still today, but let's just say it is.
You know, some of these countries obviously don't allow this.
And that could be related to communism.
It could be related just to their culture, just like Islam, right?
Just because I think Islamic countries don't allow wokeism to infiltrate, I don't think that I want to live in an Islamic country.
I feel like it's interesting because the very people that seem to be pushing the woke nonsense in our countries identify primarily as socialists, identify primarily as communists from, and this is not from me watching, you know, Wayne Dupree or something.
I mean, this is from me being on the field for years, you know, integrating into extremist groups, talking to these people.
And I've, you know, wine, dined, drank, and smoked with a lot of these communists.
And they really do believe, you know, they're really down to the manifesto.
They were big Bernie supporters.
And you just set off some red flags for a lot of people in the fact that there is that picture of you.
Better haircut today, by the way, than you had then.
I'm not one to be talking.
I look like I'm like about to talk about.
jackson hinkle
Oh, yeah, that photo.
That was the mop cut.
That was the Orange County mob cut.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, let's not get back to that.
I'm still in the junior.
I'm in the high teacher phase right now where I'm like teaching seventh grade math class.
But the most important thing is, you know, people look at that, right?
Your background with supporting Bernie, and then you're openly say you're a Patriot America first and you're a MAGA communist.
From my understanding, the entire right-wing movement is predicated on this defeating communism and blames communism for intersectionality, for this, this, this open borders policy, for all these things.
What the fuck is MAGA communism?
And how the hell is that?
How the hell are you different from the people that the right wing claims are responsible for the problems they're facing today?
jackson hinkle
Yeah, well, I'll first say that you're 100% correct about the fact that actual communist countries today and Russia, which obviously has a huge communist history, as we all know, and a lot of people who lived in that and were communists, and a lot of people in government who are communists or the sons or the grandsons of communists, very famous ones who are making high-level decisions, Putin himself, you know, communist intelligence.
So there's, you know, people who say this like cultural Marxism term and they try to apply that to BLM, to the 1619 project, all that crazy stuff.
It's like transgenderism.
First of all, all that stuff is completely undialectical, not Marxist, has no grounding whatsoever in what Marxism is.
And all those people that support that stuff, if they were alive in the Soviet Union, if they were alive living in Cuba under Sheikh Avara, they'd be lined up against a wall and shot.
And that's why I get so frustrated.
Well, I'm not even frustrated.
I just think it's like silly when people like Jordan Peterson moan and groan about cultural Marxism.
It's a made-up jibber-jabber term, and he sounds like a retard when he talks about it.
But what I will say is, yeah, I mean, like, there's Muslim countries that also oppose wokeism.
So you're right to say that just because something opposes woke is doesn't mean that you want to live within that system.
MAGA communism as a whole, it started off just as a meme, but like Hazal Dean, who's the he he runs the show infrared, he wrote a very influential and long substack about MA communism.
And the primary thesis is: okay, so we have the MAGA working class of our country.
MAGA is the heart of our country.
The heart of our country is not LA, San Francisco, wherever, even though I grew up near LA.
The heart is that MAGA contingency.
And the general attitude of the MAGA movement is correct in the sense that, okay, the wealthy elite, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, whoever should not control all of our land, resources, oil, gas, nuclear, properties, whatever.
Like they shouldn't just control that for themselves.
And I guess MAGA communism, the idea behind it is like, okay, well, like sack up, support communism, because like you guys basically are communists.
And I guess you just need to accept it because that's who they are.
And I think that the movement would be better guided if it did accept that than if it just continued trying to fight Donald Trump on everything or whoever the next Trump wannabe replacement is.
Trump was wrong about vaccines.
He was wrong about Ukraine at the start.
Kind of been wrong about Israel his whole life.
He's wrong about things.
No one's perfect, right?
But MAGA is a guiding light in this country.
And I think that, I don't know, do you have any specific questions about basically, I'll give you the short of it.
The idea that MAGA, I think, does support and should be stressing the hardest is not about ending wokeism.
Because if all you care about is ending wokeism, you're going to end up with like faggots like that Javier Millay and Argentina running our country.
That guy is pro-Israel.
He wants to cut his country off from their biggest economic cooperator outside of Latin America.
He's anti-Russia.
He's pro-Ukraine.
He is anti-Iran, anti-North Korea.
And Kim Jong-un is so base.
Everyone knows that.
So it's like he's fully with the establishment, the left, the left, he's with the left on all these issues, even though he claims to be opposed to the left.
What we need to do is not oppose wokeism necessarily.
We need to orient the economy for the public good and rapidly increase the forces of production and manufacturing in our country once more.
And if we do that, we'll have a good country.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
elijah schaffer
And I think one of the interesting things about that, let me bring this.
Let me click on this here.
That makes sense, dude, but like what's hard for me here, and I think a lot of people feel this is like, I don't have a home, right?
I'm politically homeless like a lot of people.
I have no.
career advancement in the establishment right-wing media because I stopped.
It's not that I was lying before, but I, the more truth I've gotten, I won't lie now that I know, right?
And I would say that I have said things that are objectively wrong or misguided or misdirected in the past.
And now that I know reality, they will not accept me for this because this is the no-go zone.
I've entered the DMZ, right?
We are now, we are now on landmine.
So we're out.
I'm out.
I can't join the left because the way to do that is to fucking jerk off and be Hassan Piker.
Yeah, you cut off your balls.
Now you've sort of gone in middle route, which I think is authentic, but I haven't found my place yet.
I haven't found my steam again.
Like I haven't found it, right?
I did the idea of getting all the top right-wing people on the show and going to these events and doing these things and speaking.
And then you get a lot of views and it works.
And now I've sort of like settled down for a little bit.
I'm kind of playing it chill, checking on what's going on with January 6th and that investigation, working on myself, my faith, you know, doing some self-development.
But I also, you know, definitely don't like the communism route.
But I do see what's crazy is, and this is what I can't deny, is that countries like Russia and China are serious.
And I'm attracted to that, man.
I genuinely feel like I'm like, wouldn't that be nice?
I'll be completely honest with you.
I also have gotten, you know, offers from certain foreign publications, turned them down as well.
You know, recently got offered a trip to another country, you know, didn't work out.
But I think I have to be careful too, right?
Because people see people like you and me and they see us being in this middle gray zone where we're not really accepted by the right and not really accepted by the left.
It's somehow you found an audience that does accept you now, which is great, but it is difficult.
And a lot of this audience feels that same way, right?
They feel like they're just not really anywhere.
They're sort of just on their own mission and they're shooting out and they're just trying to build the best worldview possible.
And it's genuinely a struggle to not be a part of it and not have a home team to play for, right?
And I don't mean that sexually.
So don't don't take that the wrong way, just meaning not have a political home team, someone to root for and to be with.
And we're sort of disillusioned.
So, you know, as an American, you call yourself a patriot.
What is your solution going forward?
What do you think for the United States, knowing that the globalists, the new world order, the Zionists, whatever you want to call them, have control of our banks.
They have us by the balls, at least the men who still haven't cut theirs off.
You know that the things probably won't change no matter how many Twitter posts you post until the newer generation gets into power.
Things probably won't change.
And looking at AOC and Talib and these others, it doesn't look like just because they're pro-Palestine that they have much better solutions for our country.
Like, do you see a, do you see a positive way forward for the United States, for the West?
Or is the future really China?
Is the future really BRICS?
Is this where the dominance and the power struggle is headed?
I'd really like to know because I feel like there's no winners in the end.
And it's hard not to be blackpilled.
jackson hinkle
Yeah.
I think when I was in Russia last, like they, there was this guy.
He's the he's the grandson of the guy that signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact on behalf of the Soviet Union.
And he's in Russia's state Duma and he leads up Russia's, like a lot of the council groups that they hold for BRICS.
And I told this story on Luke We Are Change for the first time.
And I think it's like, the more I sit back and reflect on it, the more I'm like, God, we are kind of fucked right now.
Because I was talking with him after we were on the show together and he's in the state Doom.
He's in BRICS, all this stuff.
And he's specifically working on BRICS reserve currencies to challenge the dollar.
And I look at him, I'm like, gosh, that's so incredible.
We're talking about.
I'm like, I would love it if America joined BRICS one day.
I mean, I get like the situation right now, but I'd love it if we joined one day.
And he just looked at me and he's like, he laughed.
And he's like, nothing in my life.
And I was like, are we really that screwed?
Like the whole world thinks that we can never get our stuff together.
I mean, the path we're going on is as you just described, I think.
Maybe I'll be wrong, but I think with BRICS, Saudi Arabia joining BRICS, I mean, that's insane.
The petrodollar is, you know, its lifeline was cut off and it's only so much time before it truly collapses.
We don't have a basket commodity backing.
It's backed by a bunch of numbers and jibber jabber and, you know, it's Fugazi Fugazi, like they say in the Wolf of Wall Street.
It's all fake.
And they're developing a commodity basket, a basket commodity currency that's going to challenge the dollar.
And I think succeed for a number of reasons.
So I guess my hope would be that we get leaders that say, let like, like Roger Stone, for example.
I like Roger Stone because I don't even know what he agree.
I don't know if he agrees with me on everything, but Roger Stone, Colonel Douglas McGregor, they're the type of guys that say like, okay, we might not be communists, Chinese communists, whatever.
But, and we may not like them for their communism, but we recognize they have a population three to four times the size of ours.
We recognize that their economies are already outperforming us in purchasing power parity.
Soon, total GDP within the next several decades.
We understand they're leading in manufacturing well beyond us.
I mean, like most of the top Fortune 500 companies, most of their revenue generated annually is just from stocks, stock buybacks.
It's all like rapacious.
It's debt.
It's just like, it's BS.
It's nothing real.
No one's producing anything anymore here.
We won't even build the Keystone XL pipeline.
We won't build new nuclear infrastructure.
We can't even keep our old nuclear waste safe.
And it's like all these other countries are light years ahead of us.
So I think that people like McGregor and Ron Paul and Roger Stone, they say, we don't like these people, but we recognize we at least need to do business with them and to do business with them.
We can't go to war with them.
And I think that's good.
And like I said before, I think the true answer is to orient our economy for the public good, which like, I guess you could say some leftists kind of support that idea.
But if you do that, if you orient the economy for the public good without increasing rapidly our manufacturing, our forces of production, then you just have AOC style nonsense.
It's just nothing.
So you need to have both.
That's what China's done.
Have any critiques of their culture, their censorship, whatever.
That's what China's done.
They've lifted 840 million people out of poverty in the last 40 years.
They're the single largest global alleviator of poverty.
And I think we can learn from them and hopefully fix our country.
elijah schaffer
Dude, I want to bring that something up, though, that kind of makes me, this is like why I'm sort of blackpilled, is because part of what China has done is it's amazing, right?
And there's always a caveat to it, though, because they pulled 840 million people out of out of this.
And I want to kind of end with this and we'll go through a couple things in your personal life for a couple minutes and we'll end.
But it feels like there's no good, good way out of this because China lifted 840 million people out of poverty and they then exchanged them for a surveillance state.
They're even building new, you know, new apparatuses.
They're right now they're building these 15-minute cities.
And so you sort of exchange your freedom for this social credit system and also getting out of poverty.
So, you know, it's like one evil for another.
You're not starving.
So that's good.
That's even better.
And people will trade security for safety and for sustenance in the very beginning of things because that's more important, right?
I want to eat before I care about if I'm being spied on.
But then once you can eat and you create a generation of people, now you're stuck under this social credit system.
You know, do you really think that these are these are the people we should be listening to?
Or do you feel like it's just one evil empire being exchanged for another?
And is there really a good option?
I mean, genuinely, I don't care if you think Russia is a better option or China is a better option.
Like for the people listening, is America over?
Or is it better to trade with these people?
Or are they just, is it evil against evil?
jackson hinkle
If I thought America was over, I would get up right now and leave and go live somewhere else and never look back here.
So I don't think it's over, but and I hope it's not over.
But I do think that when you look at China and when you look at Russia, usually there's reasons for the they're smart people.
Like China, very smart people.
Russia, best chess players in the world, very smart people.
But I think that, and they're like, they're like cockroaches.
No matter how many times someone tries to smash them, they always rise up and very quickly and strongly.
So I think that when you look at these things in China, in Russia, there's usually explanations to why it's happening that we don't hear in the West for China's reasons because we got the crazy firewall with them.
We never hear anything truthful about China.
We never hear anything truthful about China.
With Russia, kind of a similar thing.
You know, we don't really, they have different social medias.
We don't hear from them a lot.
You get RT, but that's about it.
But I think like, just to briefly take two examples.
I mean, China's a, you obviously can't like do like a mass protest campaign against if you're like financed by foreign interests about like Xi Jinping or something.
But in China and in the Soviet Union, it's actually astonishing the level of debates that is tolerated much more than here.
And it's actually listened to rather than in the United States.
Like you could get 100% of the American public to agree on anything.
And if Washington disagrees, the lobbyists disagree, the sponsors disagree.
They're not going to change anything.
It doesn't matter how many Americans agree on something.
In China, if Xi Jinping failed to meet his obligations to the people in the party, which is very broad, they've got dozens of different factions within the Communist Party of China.
They've even got Jeffersonian Democrats in the party.
He would be forcibly removed.
They put someone else in, and that happens all the time.
You know, like the Polipro changes in these countries and they replace leaders for, you know, not doing well.
Just last week, there was a viral video that did make its way onto American social media of a local Communist Party of China meeting in which the whole meeting turned against the council of party members and were calling them out, critiquing them.
And it ended up being that the people who were punished were not the members, but it was the party council members who were all removed.
So I actually think that they tolerate and listen to rigorous debate far more than we do here.
And I guess the point I'm trying to make is the reason why I think China has what they have and Russia has what they have and why they had the COVID protocols that they did is because they view everything as a threat and rightfully so.
We've all seen what the West did to the, you know, two of the most resource-rich regions on the face of the earth, you know, the Arab world and Africa.
You know, these are the resource-rich regions of the world and we've completely destroyed them through a whole lot of different stories that we could talk about later.
But I think that China and Russia understand that like for years they were warning that they were going to do some sort of biological warfare weapon against them.
And they're still talking about it and they were talking about it during COVID.
And if anyone ever happened to listen to what Xi Jinping and his government or what Putin and his government were talking about during COVID, they said this is a biological warfare weapon.
And I know we weren't taught, you know, we weren't allowed to talk about like the Wuhan lab for a while.
It wasn't until Josh Rogan at the Washington Post, who's a rabid anti-China hawk, started talking about the Wuhan lab that we could all talk about it as a likely theory for where COVID came from.
But no one ever addressed Fort Dietrich.
No one ever addressed the fact that there were strains of COVID-19 and sewage samples in Europe and Italy way before the Wuhan breakout happened.
So alleged breakout happened.
So I just think it's, I think it was probably a biological warfare weapon.
The Russians uncovered biological warfare, erosalized drones that the Ukrainians were working on with Metabiota and Hunter Biden in those biolabs, former Soviet weapons biolab.
So I think like we look, I'll just say this last thing.
We look at everything that China and Russia is doing and we only see half of it and we're like, God, that must be a terrible country.
Why are they doing that?
And no one ever answers the question, why are they actually doing that?
Well, because every time a country rises up, the West goes in, they foment an information warfare campaign, then they get young people in the streets, then they launch some sort of a regime change operation.
And then, oh no, somehow Xinjiang is no longer part of China, you know?
So I think America should focus on the constitution, Christian values.
We shouldn't push censorship.
But it's also good to look at, you know, why these people explain the things that they do.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, you know, and I think, I think for me, I'm never, I'm not, I just don't, I totally get it, but I can't get on board with some of this, this communism stuff.
I just don't, you know, my family fought in the revolution here.
Maybe yours did as well, right?
I'm part of the sons of the revolution.
I can get free calls.
jackson hinkle
I'm not a part of the sons of the revolution, but they did.
And they say we're on the Mayflower, too.
elijah schaffer
Okay, yeah, I don't know.
My family didn't come that.
I think we came in like 1619.
So it came a little later.
But we've been here for a while.
My other family, you know, comes directly from like the UK.
But down the road, you know, I'd be more likely to realign with more of like a monarchy or I don't know how to say the word monarchist.
I know how to say it.
It's very, I'm kind of retarded, but I'd be more likely to go back to a monarchy than I would to go towards a communist.
And I know your version would be different.
And I actually highly respect the communist regime in China.
I just don't want that here.
Just like I respect, you know, especially Islamic countries that have been able to keep peace with dividing Islamic sects and, you know, been able to keep this sort of structure.
But I want to ask you three quick questions because I know you probably got to go.
Three questions.
Number one, how are you doing with your fiancé?
You have a beautiful fiancé.
Things are going there.
How are you guys doing?
You guys getting married?
What's the story there?
jackson hinkle
Yeah, we got to, you got to wait.
unidentified
Like she came on some sort of a visa.
I don't know.
jackson hinkle
It was like a work visa or something.
Not a work visa, but whatever visa tours.
And so when you come, you have to wait like 90-something days before you get married.
I think we talked about that a little bit, actually.
You have to wait like 90 days to get married for some weird legal reason.
Well, they don't want, you know, they don't want easy immigration, but then they let like tens of thousands of random people who knows what they're doing, you know, come across the southern border.
You know, yeah, you got the terrorists coming across the southern border, but like, you know, good Russian girl has to wait 90 days to marry her fiancé.
I think that's odd.
But we're doing well.
We're going to Arizona, Scottsdale for the Thanksgiving holidays, Michigan soon, New York soon.
So I want to show her American while she's trapped here and she can't leave.
elijah schaffer
Dude, honestly, that is very awesome.
I'm married to a foreigner, like I mentioned, and it's a total bitch just dealing with this stuff.
And it's very expensive.
It ends up costing about $10,000 with flights and everything.
It's about $10,000 to immigrate here.
Unironically, me being in Australia as well right now, I'll be back in the U.S. fairly soon.
But it's funny, I can't get healthcare and I'm on the bottom of the list.
But if I flew to Ethiopia, came here on a boat, I could get a free surgery tomorrow on my foot, which I need.
Second question is, what are, so a lot of people have said, you and I have talked privately.
So this is not a gotcha moment for all of you guys that think this.
A lot of people in the chat are saying that you're ducking debates with Keith Woods and you're ducking debates with Nick Fuentes.
I want to point this out before I ask the question.
Actually, Jackson had agreed to a debate with Keith Woods as me as a moderator before.
And I fucked that one up because I ended up, if you guys know this, I ruptured my Achilles tendon and broke my foot.
And so I've been under narcotics and we took like a few week break from content and it's been absolutely shit shithead bad.
But he did.
But let me ask you back again on air because people don't really know that.
Would you be open to a debate with either Fuentes or Keith Woods?
Yes or no?
And why or why not?
jackson hinkle
Yes.
And I've said this many times.
I told this to Nick and Keith as well, but I think Nick is very.
Keith and I actually kind of buried the hatchet.
So I don't really have any bad rapport with him right now.
We talked, but I think that, well, Keith started it all with the EFF thing.
He was like, no one even, the craziest part is no one even knows what we're talking about.
Keith started it with his EFF criticism of me and Haas.
And then Nick joined in on like some other avenue.
So I was like, let's just all debate.
And I think Nick is embarrassed by Keith because Keith isn't a Christian from what I think I understand.
So he's embarrassed by him.
He doesn't want the optics of a non-Christian in a debate against a Christian and Haas.
So, you know, I put forward that idea and Nick didn't want to do it.
So I don't know.
I guess I'd ask Nick why he's embarrassed by Keith because I've talked to Keith and I kind of like Keith.
elijah schaffer
But would you only do would you only do two on two or would you do a debate clear cut of me moderating you versus Fuentes, which I've been, I've been known and you people know this.
I've debated, I've hosted quite many debates and always been extremely fair to both sides.
And I don't interject my own opinions.
Would you be open to a one-on-one with Fuentes or do you want it to be two-on-two with Haas and Woods?
jackson hinkle
I don't care either way.
I'd prefer it with, it depends what we're going to talk about, right?
If we're, I mean, like Nick can put forward whatever he wants to talk about, but I think that if we're going to talk about the EFF, we should talk about it with Keith since he started this all and he started attacking me and Haas about it.
But if Nick wants to put something, we can go 1v1, but he wasn't even talking about the EFF thing.
So I was just on Sneeko's podcast.
I got asked the same question.
I said, yeah, let's do it.
But I guess he needs to put something forward to debate if it's just going to be me and him.
Otherwise, yeah, I think it would not make sense to leave Keith out and hide for that matter because it started with him too.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, that would be pretty interesting.
You know, it would be interesting if we did like a cross-stream with like Fresh and Fit or something.
Because I think Myron's supposed to come on tomorrow, and Myron keeps trying to do stuff with me.
So that would be really interesting if we got some sort of a lot of people involved that kept the debate.
Because I try to keep it real moderate, this these streams try to keep the questions up front and give you a chance to talk.
Last question, and we'll wrap it up here.
What are your plans?
You know, congratulations on getting married.
Good clarifying on the debate stage and what's going on there.
But yeah, what's life like?
What are your plans for the future, near future?
Are you doing well financially?
I do like to ask that blunt question, but we're Americans and we like that shit.
And how can we be praying for you as an audience?
jackson hinkle
Pray for me that my fiancé stays safe amidst all this madness.
Like, as you mentioned earlier, lots of governments don't like us because we tell the truth.
I've been placed on the Ukrainian government's kill list.
Israel's attacked me on Twitter multiple times the past few weeks.
Not a good feeling when you live in Miami.
But I think that at least I'm not in New York, but I think that I just want to keep her safe.
You know, like if something happens to me, something happens to me, but I want to keep her safe.
So I think that's good.
And as for the financial situation, I mean, it's, you know, it's better than most, not as good as you like it to be.
But that's what happens when you literally, again, banned by YouTube, Twitch, PayPal, Venmo, WhatsApp, and a whole host of other smaller platforms, you know, and permanently demonetized by YouTube for a year and a half.
But fortunately, I think I didn't know what I was going to do when YouTube banned me.
You mentioned that earlier.
I literally didn't know what I was going to do.
I was like, you know, oh my goodness, what am I going to do?
And Twitter has been an incredible platform, and that's great.
So it's okay.
It's okay.
Could be worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Well, it could be, but I'm happy, dude.
I'm happy because, hey, we're going to be praying for you.
Number one, if you ever need any advice, I didn't get a lawyer and I did my whole thing with my wife.
And we own that shit.
I never had any problems and I did it all correctly.
And I've done it with other countries as well.
So it's pretty good.
And if you ever need advice, even on a document or a form or whatever, I have all my copies and I can always give you free advice because it's worked for us.
We have no issues.
On the second, on your thing, we're praying for you, man, as you're a fighter and a truth fighter.
And I don't really care if we agree on everything.
I don't even agree with Sneeko on Islam, but we're cool.
And I fuck with Myron and a lot of these people because of what it is.
And we hope as well for both of us that we see newfound success in the future because I'm not even the U.S., so I can't really grow my brand or do anything now while I'm chilling here.
But I appreciate you coming on and giving a smaller channel some of the stuff, some airtime and being real and cool like that, not being a fucking asshole like some people are.
And I remember that.
I will remember that always.
Anyway, Jackson, thank you.
Thank you for coming on, man.
You're a great guest.
Yeah, go ahead and last thought.
jackson hinkle
Yes, last thought.
Well, if and when all the allegations come true in China and Russia and Iran and North Korea and Kim Jong-un, they all start to fund me.
We will develop the new Daily Wire, the new tenant media, and I'd love to have you a part of it.
And it'll be all truth and none of this Zionist bullshit.
Okay.
That's what I got to say.
So thank you for having me on.
And I've actually watched more of your show recently because when you reached out to me and you helped me when I was dealing with the YouTube demonetization, I started to watch your stuff and I really like it.
And I think you are Like, yeah, maybe we don't agree on everything, but you're a very, very good presenter.
And that is a skill that, like, even most like funny or entertaining people don't have.
And I wanted to say that about you.
You're a great presenter.
elijah schaffer
Dude, I really appreciate that because you know more than I do that we mostly get negative comments and shit.
Uh, but you know, some of it's our audience, they love to give a shit, but we love it too.
Uh, but the others of it, sometimes it's alienating, and I appreciate that, man.
And I want you to remember what you said here because honestly, when I go back to the U.S., I do have some good connections as well.
And I really would like to start something considering the fact too that I'm working with censored and they have like infrastructure and we know people.
I also kind of like am working with a private ad agency that's like not pro-Zionist, like ad agency and stuff like that.
It's like there's a lot of pieces in place, and there's you and there's like the talents there and people.
And so, like, if you're going to start something, it's like, I feel like if somebody just started something and wanted to like conglomerize, there's so many pieces.
You know, it's like how Blaze and Dailywire got so big.
I don't know if you know this.
Last, last, last point, just so you know, from being on the inside, I can't talk about Blaze.
I'll mention Dailywire.
Well, how Daily Wire got big is that there was an extremely effective agency, an ad agency, and marketing agency that was being used by Blaze and Dailywire.
This is why Dailywire took off and Blaze kind of stood in this way.
We won't talk any more about them, but Dailywire was smart and bought out the marketing company so that Blaze could use it and then absorbed it and then sort of took a Hollywood-esque approach to promoting their content and this very traditional YouTube marketing strategy.
So the like the point is, is like they didn't, they didn't just randomly figure shit out.
They bought like a Hollywood-based net marketing media networking, big, very expensive buy.
And that's really what changed a lot and absorbed them.
And they're now they're not their own company.
They're Dailywire, which is why a lot of you know leftists or people, you don't have to be right-wing to work there.
But, you know, that's what I was going to say.
It's like starting a company, a lot of these, I'm not going to mention any of the companies now, but a lot of companies don't succeed because they think they have to fucking do everything.
And it's like, no, you need funding.
You need to buy out other companies.
Why the fuck are you thinking Jackson Hinkle is going to know how to fully market, you know, five exactly?
Shit.
It's not, I mean, maybe they're fine on their own, but how are you going to get people in one group?
You have to fucking buy out other companies and you need funding.
And if you don't do that, then you just end up fucking cracking after a year.
But I a lot of inside info.
We'll talk about that privately off air one time.
Jackson, I know you got to go.
Sorry for holding you.
Thank you.
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I think we have a couple super chats, but it's the last thing and we're just going to sign out.
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The George says says the smear campaign is shit, though.
It's positive for you and us.
You speak the truth and we are here to show your appreciation.
Maybe I'll join over on Censored soon, though.
I need all these retards to come over before I leave.
If you guys don't know, Last Media Matters has used our show, our Rumble show, to hit at X and Rumble and get them.
Yeah, they have a whole section about this show particularly and how we're anti-Semitic.
And it's really just crazy.
And they called me a lying liar who lies about lies.
That's a real phrase from the article.
Why are you gay?
Said in Casey never addresses it.
Does Jackson conflate mega communism with national socialism?
If so, I don't think it's a bad thing.
I don't think you do, right?
Think I don't think you conflated those.
unidentified
No, I'm a Stalinist.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, and then maybe we'll just show this tab instead.
I did share this meme, and you guys have made this left Jackson with this, just Israel showing more evidence that something's wrong.
It is a terrorist.
unidentified
That's the tunnel, actually.
That's where they enter.
elijah schaffer
Back end of the tunnel.
That's the entrance.
Jackson, thank you so much.
You stayed longer than I asked you to.
So I appreciate that.
Please get some rest, get some sleep.
God be with you, even in the good and the bad and the ugly.
And hopefully, one day we do work together and we're able to build something that's immune from this bullshit and actually impacts people for God, for good, and for country.
Have a great rest of the week, and may God bless the United States of America.
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