HAMAS VS ISRAEL: Sorting the LIES From The TRUTH | Guests: Keith Woods & Austin Peterson
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DESCRIPTION: Hamas vs Israel conflict intensifies with over 2,000 deceased and thousands of young fighting men returning to the Holy Land to join the IDF in their fight to dismantle the Gaza leadership. We are hearing so many reports of war crimes on both sides, but who is telling the truth and who is lying? Is one side worse than the other or are both sides just as bad as each other? Did 40 babies really get decapitated or is this just atrocity propaganda? Should the US get involved in the fight or should we stay out of it? We answer these questions and so much more with Keith Woods and Austin Peterson, make sure to follow them on social media to show your support.
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We are talking about separating truth from fiction in the Israel-Hamas conflict.
Depending on who you ask, Hamas could be the liberators of the Palestinians fighting against the concentration camp in Doosing Zionists.
Or, on the other hand, if you watch the Daily Wire, Israel is the champion and possibly even better than the United States.
And they were attacked by radical Islamic terrorists and are getting revenge and solving a problem that needs to be solved until the last drop of blood of Palestinians comes into play.
But who's right and who's wrong, and where does the truth lie?
And the reason why we've got to talk about this is something so important.
The U.S. is at the brink of getting involved in this conflict, and we don't know what's truth and what's not.
There is an interesting topic going around that the Hamas militants, or if you ask the New York Times, they call them gunmen, were literally saying the Hamas is decapitating babies.
And if you're like me, you know that that's a very serious issue.
I have a six-month-old baby.
I don't even like to see his nails cut off because he'll cry a little bit, let alone his head.
But it didn't stop Biden from weighing in.
Biden talked about the fact that this is a verified report.
I want you to listen to this.
This is very important as we talk about this issue.
He said that he saw images of Hamas terrorists decapitating babies.
You know, I'm an American citizen and I care about America first.
I think Vivek Ramaswamy actually articulated the best America first position of all the presidential candidates the other night when he said that we offer diplomatic support to Israel.
We offer moral support to Israel in this conflict, but he didn't say financial or military support.
And that's really where I come from.
I consider myself to be an American First Libertarian.
But I think it's a mistake to take anything Joe Biden says seriously, especially because our friend Jason Rink just showed us that the White House spokesman have confirmed that U.S. officials have not seen these pictures or atrocities in Israel that Joe Biden has discussed here.
It's a mistake to listen to anything he says because he's a doddering old man.
He probably is hallucinating because he's in the depths of senility.
And we all know that the first casualty in war is the truth.
That being said, there have been some confirmed reports, at least, of the atrocities that have been waged against civilians who are at this music festival.
And of course, a war is ongoing.
So, what we know for a fact we can say is that there have been atrocities that have been committed by Hamas against at least a thousand people in this initial conflict.
And I think that the mistake that's being made is that there's some kind of a moral equivalence between these two.
I look at this, if you look at this beyond good and evil, and I'll wrap it up by saying this: if you look at this as beyond they killed babies, they killed babies, moral outrage, moral outrage.
What we're really looking at here from a meta-conflict is the classic conflict of civilizations.
It's the clash of civilizations, not unlike the Americans when we had the fight with the Native Americans or with the Rome fighting the barbarians in ancient history.
It's the classic clash of civilizations.
If you can get beyond, if you can look at it from a meta-analysis, everything makes a lot more sense, in my opinion.
Well, I'm glad to hear Austin is rightly skeptical of the beating of the war drums right now.
These stories are coming out.
We're hearing all of this atrocity propaganda.
None of it is verified.
I know Austin said that there's confirmed a thousand casualties in Hamas atrocities.
I don't see any evidence of that.
I don't see any good evidence of a civilian massacre that happened at the rave.
All these stories of some mass rape, a mass slaughter that happened at this rave was based on one eyewitness report, as was this story of the dead babies.
It was one eyewitness report from a radical Jewish extremist that runs a settler group that has made pro-genocide comments about Palestinians.
So they're beating the war drums.
We're getting all these fake stories.
I do agree there is no moral equivalence.
I don't think it's at all the same thing.
They're locked in an open-air concentration camp, denied the basic necessities required for life, and most people try and break out of that concentration camp.
I don't think there's at all a moral equivalence between that and what we're seeing the Israeli army do, which is bomb civilian areas, carpet bombing, no regard for civilian life.
I don't think you can draw a moral equivalence at all.
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All right, these claims were made, and we're talking, if you're just joining in live, about Israel versus Hamas, explaining truth from fiction.
And I want to start with an initial question, which is extremely important.
We're going to go to Austin first.
Do you think that this is a genuine, the narrative behind this attack that started this war, that Israel got thrown off guard and Hamas just came out of the middle of nowhere, sent paragliders?
That this isn't a real narrative, this is a believable narrative, or do you have a different alternative take, such as the fact that we have reports coming out that Egypt had warned three days earlier the Israeli leadership about Hamas attack, and perhaps like 9-11, people are saying maybe Bush didn't do 9-11, maybe Netanyahu didn't do the Hamas attack, but he might have let it happen in order to get his ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
What do you think the narrative is?
Do you agree with the official narrative or do you have an alternative?
Well, as much as I despise the official leadership and the American governments and think that the government model runs mostly on a socialist model, which I completely and fundamentally disagree with, the way that I look at these intelligence agencies is to remind myself that the CIA, the Mossad, and the IDF, and MI6, they're basically like the DMV for intelligence agencies, right?
They're subject to the same problems that the other government bureaucracies are subject to.
And in many ways, you know, if you are to put yourself in these intelligence agents' shoes, if you're to say, well, what would I do if I was in this situation when you have literally hundreds and hundreds of threats that are coming at you, some of them false, some of them real, a single day, you may not flag the one that's the right one because of just typical government, you know, bureaucracy and mismanagement, mishandling, but also just because when you have so many threats, it's difficult to know where they're coming from.
But again, this is an intelligence failure the same way that 9-11 was an intelligence failure.
And I think that absolutely heads should roll.
I mean, not to no pun there, but in regards to the people who are responsible for allowing something like this to happen.
And, you know, Keith, I'm glad that we agree the United States should not be getting involved in this conflict, but I think it's a misnomer to say that Gaza is a concentration camp.
People want to escape from concentration camps.
People try and escape from concentration camps.
If the people in Gaza were in what we might call a concentration camp, they would be fleeing.
They would be running away.
And I just saw a report an hour ago.
It looks as if Egypt is trying to prevent them from fleeing.
Egypt is building a wall, apparently more effectively than we can do here in the United States to prevent them from coming in.
But at the moment, if a lot of these people are choosing to stay there, you have to wonder, is it really the kind of con is it really the kind of terrible conditions that people claim that they are?
But at the end of the day, I think that the solution, again, looking at this from a meta example, the solution is very likely going to have to be something like annexation and some form of a referendum, because I think Israel, being the more technologically advanced civilization, is going to have to say, we're not going to tolerate the security threat on our border anymore.
And we're going to have to offer these people the full human rights of Israeli citizens, which would essentially mean subsuming the Gaza Strip into the nation of Israel.
As far as the intelligence failure, I mean, it's certainly worth speculating about how they could have missed an attack this big.
But at the same time, I think certainly Hamas pulled off something very impressive in the tactics they used.
You know, we saw this sensational footage of the pyro gliders and so on.
And the things Austin alluded to as well, the fact that they do have this constant threat.
There may have been some support from Iran or Hezbollah.
So it's difficult to speculate.
I've seen that report that Egypt gave them warning, that there was some kind of foreknowledge.
You know, I'm not coming down strongly on one side or the other with that.
But as far as, well, if Gaza was a concentration camp, they would leave.
Well, they can't.
They're under blockade.
There's a no-go zone surrounding Gaza that if people step into, they will be fired at by Israeli soldiers.
The sea is also blockaded.
The Zionist government just closed off across into Egypt.
These people are locked inside this open-air concentration camp.
It's 2.1 million people.
Half of them are children.
The unemployment rate has been 60 to 70% for decades now.
Over 90% of the water is contaminated and considered undrinkable.
These people live in some of the worst conditions of any people anywhere on earth.
As far as them being subsumed into Israel, I mean, there's an ongoing ethnic cleansing that is being carried out by the Zionist government that is driving this.
There are over 600,000 illegal settlers in the West Bank that are considered illegal under international law.
You can draw on older forms of colonialism, but I don't think this compares at all to something like the expansion into the United States or Australia or these examples of European colonialism.
I mean, in these cases, these are people that are having their homes seized today.
I understand you're a libertarian, but there are people in the West Bank that have the deeds to their home that are being forced out by these settlers.
There are hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Nakba who have the deeds from their grandparents' homes where they were forced out of their ancestral land.
So if you want to portray it as a clash of civilizations, and this is Muslim hordes versus Judeo-Christianity or something, well, I don't think that's what's happening here.
I think this is an ethnic conflict, and I think it's in large part being driven by the supremacist attitudes that are common within Israel, within the Israeli government, and this apocalyptic messianic Judaism that is inciting tensions as it relates to the holy sites.
Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously, if we, you know, if you don't believe it's a clash of civilizations, I mean, we're not going to be able to sort of have an agreement.
I hope that I could change your mind on that because, you know, I do see, I sort of pulled from Ayn Rand on this one, who sees this as the, from the clash of civilizations perspective, she sees the Israelis as the advanced technological civilization, and she described the Palestinians as barbaric.
And let's compare this perhaps to Hernandez-Cortez and the conquering of the Aztecs and the Mayans, right?
The Catholics came in and they settled Mexico and South America, and they said there would be no more human sacrifices, for example.
I mean, how long must a civilized nation tolerate barbarity at its gates?
I know a lot of American libertarians and conservatives who are concerned about what's happening on the southern border.
Must we tolerate the invasion on our southern border, for example?
I think a lot of people say that we need more security in that situation.
And I know that Israel is going to act in their own best interest because, again, beyond the concept of good and evil, looking at this at a meta-perspective, these people are doing what is in their best interest.
Human beings, we frequently like to separate ourselves from the animal kingdom, but when you actually look at people's behaviors, they always tend to act in their own best interests.
So I very much see this as analogous to American expansionism and the fighting between the American pioneers, savages of the Indian tribes at that time.
Those people definitely got a better deal than Gaza did.
They don't even pay income taxes in this country.
The Gazans can get that good of a deal.
I think they'd be much better off than the Native Americans.
But here's the thing I'd like to say about this: they had this incredible ingenuity in launching this attack.
The Palestinians put together, coordinated this attack.
Think about all the time, the energy, and the money, and the resources they put into this.
If they had taken half of time and that energy and instead of putting it into violence, had actually sunk that back into the infrastructure or building up their communities instead of launching this attack, think about how much better off they would be.
But I think that they are analogous to the Native Americans.
I think they are acting as savages.
And I think that they're going to ultimately, whether you like it or not, or whether or not they will be treated as the savages were, like the Yast, like the Mayans, like the Yankins, and they will be relegated to the dustbin of history.
And before you respond, Keith, I want to bring up something, a topic on this that is very important.
You know, a lot of what we're talking about rests on the fact of whether what we're seeing is true or not.
And I want to bring up this topic about wartime atrocity propaganda because the entire predication of both sides rests on one simple fact that the other side has been committing war crimes against them and that they've been committing acts of terrorism.
I want to point this out, and I think this is absolutely crazy.
In 2023, I condemned terrorism.
The only problem with this is that when you talk to Hamas leadership or you talk to Palestinians in Gaza, they would literally say that Israel is an occupied land, that they're settlers, colonizers, and that they actually are terrorists.
But of course, if you spoke to any Israeli or Zionist, or even just mostly any neutral American, they would say that obviously Gaza is under terrorist leadership and Hamas is a terrorist organization that has been committing acts of terror and that the IDF is the most restrained military in the history of the world.
So when I brought this up, I thought this was kind of crazy.
We talked about wartime atrocity.
Donald Trump Jr. had shared a very graphic video that I can't even play here on YouTube of militants shooting a family.
Okay, they were on the floor.
If you like snuff and you like gore, feel free to check that out.
I don't want to ever see it again.
But myself, I believe you also, Keith, had put up that this was video was from 2015.
It was from Syria.
This is from The Wired.
They said that a graphic Hamas video Donald Trump Jr. shared on X is actually real.
That research confirms that a video posted by Donald Trump Jr. showing Hamas militants attacking Israelis was falsely flagged in a community note as being years old, thus making X's disinformation problem worse, not better.
You can read the whole story there.
But I want to throw to you, Keith, on this, because you've been talking a lot about that there's a lot of maybe pro-Israel wartime atrocity propaganda.
But from my understanding, you also thought this video was fake.
They're saying it's real.
I don't know if you know the truth here, but I'd love to hear your comment on how much you think is what we're seeing real or fake and on this story, specifically what your view is.
Do you believe this is real or do you believe this was not real?
Well, that's the first time I've seen that article, but the video that Trump Jr. shared, I mean, the corpses in that video were clearly Arabs.
They weren't Israelis.
There was no sign of any Hamas paraphernalia or uniforms.
Most of these videos of atrocity propaganda that have come out so far have been fake.
It was a video that was widely shared around of supposedly burned Israeli bodies piled on top of each other.
It seems now we're Hamas fighters and they were in IDF body bags.
But before we get on to that topic, because I think we could cover that for a while, I would like to just respond to what some of Austin said.
First of all, I totally reject this supremacist narrative that the Jewish settlers are sort of innately supreme to the Arabs there and that therefore they have a right to wipe them out and take their land.
I totally reject these kinds of supremacist narratives.
And even if you wanted to go with that, we don't know the capabilities of these people because they have been denied a country, denied a state.
They're locked in an open-air prison camp.
You said if they were so successful or if they put as much effort into building their economy as they did these attacks, then they might be doing a lot better.
Well, 85% of their fishing waters are inaccessible.
30 to 40% of their family land is inaccessible.
I don't think we can really know the capabilities of these people when they're under these conditions.
When all trade into and out of Gaza is monitored by this blockade by an occupying power, it's not really going according to free market principles when they can't trade with the outside world, when they have this permanently high unemployment rate.
And, you know, you have Palestinians like Naibukele, who's been very impressive.
I talked to a Palestinian American on my channel last week, Richard Hanenia.
He's become one of the top intellectuals in the conservative movement.
I think certainly some of the diaspora of these people are very impressive.
And this idea that they're necessarily savages because Gaza is in such a state that it's in, well, again, that just ignores the reality of the Zionist occupation that's forcing this.
But also, the argument seems confused because on the one hand, I'm getting, I'm hearing this kind of Randian amoral, the only thing that drives history is will to power.
And if people get wiped out, then in virtue of being wiped out, they deserve it.
Like this kind of might is right narrative.
But then I'm hearing, you know, atrocities from Hamas and a thousand casualties, and these are all unjustified, and these words like terrorism.
Well, you know, if we just live in this amoral world where might is right and it's just the will of the conqueror, then I don't see how anyone could condemn the Hamas attacks because they're trying to do the same thing Israel is doing, right?
so it seems kind of confused do we have that's not what they're doing but that's But that's not what Israel is doing because there is no moral equivalence between the two.
When Israel is strike into Palestinian territory, they don't go to the music festivals and capture their women and spit on their corpses and parade them through the streets.
So there's no moral equivalence here.
And in some ways, you're kind of describing Schrödinger's Muslim, right?
On the one hand, you're saying, oh, these poor people, they have access to fishing water.
They don't have the ability to do this.
And then on the other hand, accomplish this incredible airstrike.
They can't escape their own country, but somehow they can launch themselves using paragliders over into Israeli territory.
So clearly some of them can escape.
So let me ask you something.
I mean, are they too stupid to figure out the problems?
Solve the problems?
By the way, all of us are in a conflict with the world.
We're all being oppressed by the world.
None of us are any special victimhood.
I don't give special victimhood status to the people of Palestinians any more than I do the black residents in the south side of Chicago who cry all day about how the terrible white man is oppressing them on a single day.
We're all being oppressed by nature and we all have to deal with shit circumstances and we have to make of it.
So I mean are they extremely capable and they pull off these incredible attacks and incur against one of the most powerful militaries in the world or are they just poor little helpless Muslims who are just being oppressed by it?
Are they great and they powerful and capable or are they incapable of doing some things?
Because we've all got a shit sandwich, and everyone's got to take a bite sometimes.
Well, what I'm saying is that the case of that speaks against your point, because you can see that these people were capable of launching a pretty impressive strike against the Zionist state.
But it's not like an equal position here.
I mean, it's not comparable to blacks in America, where they do have civil rights law.
They do have equal treatment under the law.
These people are locked in one of the most densely populated areas in the world.
They're under permanent blockade.
They can't trade with the outside world.
They have these tunnels that they dig to try and get aid from Egypt.
Lots of necessary goods can't be brought into Gaza.
People try and bring humanitarian aid ships and they get fired on by the Zionist military.
So I don't think you can take those conditions and say this is a sign of a people being innately inferior.
And as far as the moral equivalence, again, there's no indication that the descent on the Rave turned into some kind of mass slaughter.
The latest footage to come out from that is Israeli police officers were at the Rave firing on the Hamas soldiers and civilians were there in cover with the Israeli police.
Some people have said they were using them as human shields.
I don't think the footage confirms that, but certainly they were caught in the crossfire.
But yeah, there's not a moral equivalence.
That was people that were striking out of a concentration camp versus what you had in the 2014 Gaza war where Israel destroyed 18,000 homes.
They killed 2,200 people, the vast majority of them civilians, half of them women and children.
There's no moral equivalence between people doing a targeted strike that mostly attack military bases to break out of a concentration camp and shelling residential areas containing women and children where half the population is children as a form of racial revenge.
And we're seeing this exact language used.
A member of the Israeli Knesset is on Twitter saying that there are no innocents in Gaza, including children, and advocating at Gaza B-level.
So these people believe that it's acceptable to wipe out a million children as a form of collective racial revenge.
I just said, how about the Israeli security minister that called them human cattle before he launched this attack on Gaza and said that they were going to do collective punishment by cutting off the water supply and electricity?
But the reason why the Israelis have the moral high ground, because rather than the target of their attacks being, there's a difference, and I have to explain this to people quite frequently.
There's a difference between murder in the first degree and something like involuntary manslaughter.
For example, I frequently have to debate with libertarians about the legitimate use of the nuclear weapons in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who claim always they're moral outrage over something like this.
And they forget that one of the policies of the United States government was to drop these leaflets, the LeMay leaflets, which was to warn the Japanese citizens and to let the civilians know that there was going to be a strike.
That is a sign that you are the good guys.
And Hamas didn't do that, right?
And so in this conflict, Israel frequently lets people know in certain neighborhoods, pings their phones to let them know.
They also have a technology that they call a roof knock, where they actually, before they fire a building and blow it up, they'll actually drop a bomb on the roof that's a dud to let them know, boom, to shake the building for them to get out of the building.
So again, if there is to be any kind of discussion about a moral high ground in this, the moral high ground definitely rests with the people who are letting the civilians know to get out of the way.
If you go and you put yourself up into an orphanage or in a hospital, set up your camp in an orphanage or a hospital deliberately, and you fire on me and I fire back.
You're the one who bears the moral responsibility for setting yourself up amongst the civilian population.
You're the one who's acting like a dog and acting like a rat, acting like someone who is not of the civilization that someone like ourselves are, because Israel being the more advanced nation, they're that way for a reason because they act civilized.
And that's why they deserve the moral high ground because they behave in such a way and they conduct warfare in such a way.
You turn it on for the Palestinians and you turn it off for the Zionists.
Attacking a music festival is the worst crime imaginable.
And at the same time, you're here justifying the genocide of an entire people on the basis of Jewish racial supremacy.
You know, you could make the same case.
The same case could have been made for the Irish in one time, that their lack of economic development proved that there were subhumans that deserved to be wiped out.
Do you believe that about the Irish?
I mean, why do you think it's acceptable to have this racial supremacist attitude for the Jewish people?
And then to go and moralize about this attack on a rape where we have no evidence of mass civilian casualties.
We have no evidence of these mass rapes.
All of the video footage I've seen of the Hamas attacks are pretty concretely focused on attacking military bases.
And you're going to defend the genocide breaking out of an entire nation and you're going to moralize about people breaking out of their concentration.
You sound like a member of the squad, like AOC or Rashida Tlaib, genocide, concentration camps and different things like that.
First of all, the Jews are not a race.
They're a religion and a culture.
There's between Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews, right?
So if you're going to say this is some racial conflict or something like that, it'd be better if you could actually learn the terms that you're using before you fling them down like some leftist on the streets of New York City.
You sound like one of the homos for Hamas.
And trust me, the members of Hamas, if they were to get their hands on you, Keith, they would definitely treat you the same way that they treat the Jews and see you as an enemy of their own civilization, and they'd put your head on a pike as well.
So, I mean, there's a complete incoherence, not only incoherence in your views, but you're also using your terms incorrectly, and you have no understanding of the Jewish people and the difference between what is a race, what is a culture, and what is a religion.
So you might want to go back to the drawing board to understand the Jewish people first before you start mislabeling them.
Get your facts straight first, then you can distort them as you please, as Mark Twain might say.
So we disagree on that point, but I want to bring something up very, very, very important here that is interesting.
Obviously, we disagree on if they're a race or a religion, and I'm going to stay out of this argument entirely, and I'm not going to give my opinions at all, probably, in this entire debate, just because I want to keep these things neutral, and I want to have both sides to make their own case.
But we're talking about the idea to kind of flip the subject here, about this atrocity propaganda.
And I wanted to bring up some examples, right, on both sides.
This idea of talking about how Israel, I mean, the Hamas is attacking things.
We see images like this being brought up, right, by this individual saying Hamas rocket hit a mosque in Abu Ghosh near Jerusalem.
Hamas targets Muslims.
Hamas is the enemy of Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike.
Just some random picture with no context, no sources, absolutely nothing at all.
And then when you see images like this as well, I want to bring up something more alarming.
From the Israeli government, right, you see this, they said Hamas is ISIS with an F.
No, it says Hamas is ISIS.
They have this sort of similar weapons of mass destruction mentality going, right, because ISIS is the WMD of Islamic extremism.
Community notes, I believe, noted that ISIS and Hamas are ideologically opposed to one another, though they come from the same religion.
And ISIS actually views Hamas as apostates.
Makes sense, though.
I mean, there are different sects of Islam.
They're not all one people.
And, you know, not all Islamic countries are Arab.
So we see this.
On the flip side, it's obviously not just Americans.
I mean, sorry, it's not just Hamas or Israel lying about Hamas or Hamas lying about Israel.
You see both sides sort of sharing quite a bit of content, including I saw a picture of rubble, and there was a man sitting there, and it just said, Israel blew up his whole family, and this is him.
And he had a big bear.
I can't find the video right here.
So we're seeing it from both sides.
I want to jump to Austin, and I want to ask your perspective on this.
Are the images and the, like, who's correct?
I'll just say this: who's correct?
Are both sides lying?
Are both sides telling the truth, or is one side more evil than the other?
I do think that the first casualty war is a truth.
I think probably the thing that we're all missing in this discussion, this debate, and we really need to focus on is maybe the things that we agree on, which is the danger that is posed to the United States getting involved in this conflict and sparking a broader war.
I mean, you, I think, mentioned either at the beginning of this segment or perhaps even before we got started that Lindsey Graham has already threatened to bomb Iran.
The neoconservatives are already trying to line up behind Nikki Haley because they're terrified that Ron DeSantis is not going to have the power to be able to overthrow Trump.
I mean, we have a lot of domestic problems here in the United States.
So I don't understand so much why Americans are so fixated in this conflict other than the sort of, is it just the dispensationalist or the fundamentalist Christians in the United States?
Of course, many of them long for the end times and they see a conflict in the Middle East, specifically with Israel as being like a sign of the end times, right?
And they desire this conflict.
They want to get on and they want Americans to get involved in this struggle because they see it as the ultimate finale, the final curtain before Christ's return, which of course is a dangerous ideology which could lead to the possibility of nuclear war and the destruction of the entire planet.
So I do hope that we're not missing the forest for the trees in this discussion and that I think that at least the three of us probably believe that it's in the United States best interest to stay out of it.
And I wonder if maybe, you know, if Keith perhaps agrees with me on at least that position, that it is of utmost importance for us in the United States, who at least broadly consider ourselves to be part of the right, to prevent the neoconservatives from establishing power and returning to power, you know, underneath the cloak of a Nikki Haley, if you will.
And honestly, I have not heard a foreign policy, an America foreign policy being articulated by Ron DeSantis.
So at this moment, I think probably, and I say this as someone who's never worn a MAGA hat, but who will, if push comes to shove, that Donald Trump may be our best bet for preventing the outbreak of World War III next year.
And as someone who literally ran against me in 2016 when I ran for president, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might be about prepared to endorse Donald Trump because his America first foreign policy is probably the best bet we have to prevent a wider conflict.
I wonder what Keith and perhaps you, Elijah, have to say about that.
Well, first of all, as far as the disinformation, I think it's pretty one-sided in terms of we have a Zionist-controlled media and even the dissident influencers like Ben Shapiro and these people that prop up the conservative movement, they've been pumping out this stuff non-stop.
Ben Shapiro yesterday retweeted a claim by an Indian person that I don't know if this person was even in Israel that was claiming that he had evidence that babies were being ripped out of pregnant women and having their umbilical cords cut and left to die by Hamas.
And he said he couldn't provide any evidence.
He said his friend had the photos.
He was retweeting a video of supposedly Hamas shooting civilians inside their car.
And it was very clear in the video that the gunfire was coming from somewhere else and they never even shot anyone.
So he's boosting any kind of atrocity propaganda he can find.
I mean, I've kind of lost count of the fake videos that turned out to be something else.
It was supposedly Israeli kids being kept in cages by Hamas.
It turned out it was years-old footage of Palestinian children, actually.
Ian Miles Chang, who's another one of these big influencers, suddenly he got very political when it came to this issue.
And he was posting a video of people that were clearly Israeli police with Israeli police uniforms saying that this was video evidence of Hamas going door to door, slaughtering Israeli families in their homes.
We have this bizarre story about the 40 beheaded babies that comes from one source, which, as I said, is a guy who runs a settler organization that works closely with the Israeli government and in the past has made pro-genocide comments about the Palestinians.
There was actually another journalist on the scene that said none of the Israeli soldiers reported anything like that.
But on the basis of this one eyewitness report from a source that's certainly not credible and nothing confirmed by the IDF, no corroborating evidence provided, we've had this reported across the Western media.
I mean, I saw there was a headline in the Daily Mail in the UK today saying that this was the second Holocaust.
And again, this is on the basis of one report.
This is totally out of control, this level of disinformation.
I'm glad to see Austin agrees about keeping the U.S. out of this conflict at least.
But I feel like he's kind of speaking out of both sides of his mouth because he supports the Israeli narrative.
He supports the idea that this is equivalent to settlers of the past.
And I think he's ignoring the supremacist element that's driving this.
This attack was termed the Al-Aqsa flood by Hamas, related to the Alexa Mosque.
And that's because there's been months of Jewish supremacist Talmudic groups like the Temple Institute that believe that they have to build a third Jewish temple on the side of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the site that's revered by Muslims.
They've been antagonizing Christians and Muslims at their holy sites.
A few days before this attack, one of these Talmudic groups stormed the mosque and forced worshipers out.
They had the support of the IDF in doing that.
They've been spitting at Christians in the streets.
They've been smashing up Christian cemeteries and statues of Christ.
They're destroying what they consider idols of Christians and Muslims to bring about this apocalyptic prophecy.
And the concerning thing is that these people have the support of the Israeli government.
They have a lot of support within the Likud government.
A former minister of Benjamin Netanyahu's government was a big donor to the Temple Institute.
And these are the kinds of supremacist attitudes that are common.
You can go and look up Rabbi Chaim Richman, who was head of the Temple Institute for 30 years.
He put out a podcast this week after these attacks where he said that all non-Jews should be worshiping the Jews collectively.
And he referred to Arabs as orcs repeatedly.
So he's a total Jewish supremacist.
And again, these kinds of groups are increasingly common.
Israel has provided funding to the Temple Institute.
It's also began to teach a lot of this stuff to Israeli children in schools.
And these attitudes are getting more and more common where you have Israeli ministers and members of the Knesset coming out saying that they approve of building this temple on this land that's very holy to Muslims.
And that is something that could legitimately spark a world war.
So as long as you're supporting that, you know, you can say you're opposed to U.S. direct involvement.
But that's really what's driving this conflict and risks bringing other Muslim countries into the conflict as well.
Austin, before you respond, I do want to bring, I want to bring something up.
I just need to point this out.
This is really important that we're seeing.
You know, you talked about not having the neocons in power and the idea that this is not our conflict.
You said a few things.
And just because of time, I want to make sure that we point this out.
It is the goal, ostensibly, for the U.S., at least the neocons, do want escalatory conflict.
I don't know why per se.
I don't think I have the answer to that.
I need to play a very clear clip here of the Antichrist Lindsey Graham on CNN.
If he doesn't make your position clear, right?
I mean, obviously he talked about, you can watch a clip where he said that this is a holy war.
That is also a true and false statement.
It's not our holy war, but it is someone's holy war.
I think it's funny, Nick Fuentes got in trouble for saying less than that.
And some of his statements recently about waging a holy war were enough to keep him off from getting reinstated back on Twitter.
But then if you call for a holy war on TV for Israel, then you're fine.
Check out this clip real fast where he's very clear on the position of the neocons if they get back into majority power in Congress.
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it all infrastructure the money financing terrorism comes from iran it's time for this terrorist state to pay a price for financing and supporting all this chaos yes if you're the iranians if we're up to me this war escalates i'm coming after you i think this is what i'm trying to clarify here because i i'm wondering us in israel us in israel us the united states and israel crystal clear the united let me just join up let me just um
You're saying that you would want the United States and Israel to bomb Iran, even in the absence of direct evidence of their involvement in this attack.
You can respond to Keith, but also I want to make sure you have this question that you're able to lead into right now about the idea of this being a holy war, like Lindsey Graham said, and what responsibility, if any, does the U.S. have both now in the conflict and if tensions rose with other Arab countries?
Go ahead and respond and let me know your thought of U.S. involvement again with the current conflict in terms of arms deal or however it is, because they are our greatest ally according to the Biden administration.
And that being said, if it does escalate with Iran or with Qatar or some greater conflict, what do you think the U.S. should do?
Well, you know, despite the fact this is a debate, I don't want to be reflexively oppositional to everything Keith said, because I think Keith actually makes some good points.
And I do think that the ultra-Orthodox community of Israel does create more tension and create more enmity towards the people of Israel because of their horrible behavior towards Christians and Muslims.
Of course, that has to do with the fact that these are the three Abrahamic religions that have been at war with one another since, I think, two or three hundred AD.
But I'm not religious.
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I believe that with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil.
But for good people to do evil, that takes religion.
So if you can't step back and take a look at this from the meta-angle as I do and try and look at it as objectively as possible, then there really is not going to be a solution to something like this because you're just going to come down on the side of whichever particular faith that you have.
And as someone who's an outsider looking in on those faiths, it's kind of like, kids, kids, you're both just awful.
And, you know, it doesn't mean that I want to wash my hands of this, but I just want to say it's possible to look at the behavior involved and say, you're lying, you're lying.
This is disgusting behavior.
And many of you are doing this because of your own particular religion.
Now, I'm not religious, and I try and be as respectful as possible to my religious friends, but it can be quite frustrating sometimes to try and see people explain things because of whichever particular cult that they believe in that was made up during the Bronze Age.
So that's my own personal beliefs about that.
But when it comes to Lindsey Graham and others, they're a member of that.
They're party to that.
But for them, many of them, their religion, of course, is the government.
But my concern, of course, is that with Lindsey Graham is that we get into a situation like we did with Iraq versus Afghanistan, where the desire to get into Afghanistan was really a proxy way to open the door to a war with Iraq.
And of course, when John McCain was alive, Lindsey Graham and him were together, their entire goal and plan in life was to dethrone the Iranian regime.
And it's important for us to understand the motivations behind people like Lindsey Graham and why they're trying to accomplish what they're trying to accomplish.
The people of Iran largely aren't in favor or supportive of the mullahs of Iran.
They used to be a much more westernized and liberalized nation until the Arab revolt of 1979.
And now we're dealing with the consequences of Western interventionism to a large extent, and we're also consequences of blowback.
Quite frankly, I believe, as Congressman Ron Paul had said in his presidential campaigns, that's who I supported in 2008 and 2012, that largely many of our interventionists have led to the creation of more terrorists.
And I think that Israel is actually very bad at optics and in explaining to people why they're doing what they're doing.
And I think that, like, you know, Keith has stated, he's called out people from their Knesset and from one of their defense ministers, for example, who said, you know, who's acting in an emotional way.
And then, of course, I think it drives more terrorist recruitment, much like American interventionism did in the Middle East that led to the blowback that caused 9-11 those ways.
So I think Keith has a good point there.
But in many ways, if we're looking at this through the lens of America first, the number one threat in the United States to the security of people like myself, at least, I'm not sure where Keith is.
I guess he might be in Ireland, and I know you're in Australia.
The number one threat is the neoconservative movement in the United States resurging and coming back into power and putting American boots on the ground.
Because if they do that, and if they spark a wider conflict with Iran, and if you consider what the example of World War II, where you had not only what was happening in China and Japan and the conflict of Asia, and then the conflict of the war that broke out in Europe, that is how you get World War III, is that you have the culmination of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and Russia perhaps gets tired of the American interventionism on behalf of Ukraine and says, oh, well,
America is weak because they're already engaged in a conflict, another conflict in Iran.
Maybe it's time for us to go ahead and take action somewhere else, or China, for example, and they strengthen their ties.
We're in a very dangerous moment right now.
And I hope that the Jews of Israel and that the Muslims of Palestine and that the Christians of the United States will all take a step back and try and find a way to have a peaceful solution at some point.
Do I think that the Israelis deserve to fight back and to take out the people who have initiated this attack?
Yes, absolutely.
But let's never forget that somewhere on the horizon, there has to be somewhere of peace.
Well, I broadly agree in the sense that, yes, it would be nice to have people that are more moderate as far as religious extremism moderate in this.
But I think it's kind of denying the context to say, well, you know, you have Muslims and Christians and Jews and all of these crazy beliefs.
You know, it's unfortunate that these religious beliefs are getting in the way of it because there are specific actors that are driving this.
And look, Palestine has been around a very long time.
There have always been a large Christian Palestinian contingent.
Christians and Muslims have coexisted in that region quite well, actually.
The idea that Palestinian representatives are jihadists, that it's somehow comparable to ISIS, is wrong.
Hamas is more like a national liberation movement.
Israel, on the other hand, has opposed secular nationalist Arab governments like the Assad regime, and they've supported Islamist groups in destabilizing those regimes.
There's an article in the Jerusalem Post about how Israel provided aid to al-Nusra fighters, which is a branch of al-Qaeda, within Syria.
So if we want to talk about what's driving this conflict, and you can say it's just like an inevitable clash of civilizations between Muslims and Christians and Jews, and they're just never, well, there was a status quo established as it related to the holy sites in Jerusalem since 1967, which meant that Jews couldn't pray on the Temple Mount, and this was respected for a time.
But extremist elements within Israel, and these are not just French cults, right?
You have French cults in every country, right?
But these are supported by the Israeli government.
They're offering cash grants for Jews to go and pray there.
In the last couple of weeks, they've been storming these holy sites.
There's been an increased amount of reports of, as I said, Christian sites being smashed up.
These prophecies and the necessity of building this third temple is increasingly being taught in public schools with funding from the Israeli government.
So the religious extremism here is coming from one side.
And, you know, I know Austin says I kind of sound like a libtad, right?
I sound like the squad.
My approach to this is very much a nationalist one.
You know, I agree.
I don't want this to turn into a massive religious war between Muslims and Christians and Jews and drag all these Arab countries into it because they hold a special place for these holy sites based on the Quran.
I would favor, as a nationalist, you know, a two-state solution where these people have their separation, have their sovereignty.
We have to ask, what is preventing that?
What is preventing a peaceful solution like that?
And I think the two drivers, it's the kind of supremacist attitude that Austin expressed earlier, where Israelis have a right to take this land, that Palestinians don't have a right to sovereignty, and Israelis are justified in wiping these people out and expanding these settlements that are creating a huge part of the conflict.
And also, it's this religious extremism, which is also tied to the supremacist attitudes, where you have these guys in the Temple Institute that say that the world should be worshiping Jews and that they have a right to destroy all of these holy sites so they can build their temple.
So I broadly agree, but I think we have to note where the extremism is coming from here.
Yeah, I mean, I think we probably agree on more things than we disagree.
I mean, this conflict just sort of brings out the worst in everybody, if you will.
But, you know, I do fall back on the belief that it's, you see, my understanding of like the right of conquest, if you will, or that I don't believe that the Israelites should take the land in the Gaza Strip.
I think that they should hold a proper referendum and they should give the Palestinians the opportunity to have the full human rights of Israeli citizens.
So when I talk about annexation, I'm not talking about moving in and just taking it over and conquering them exactly the way that the Aztecs were conquered by the Spanish or that the Americans conquered the Native Americans.
Although the Americans, of course, did give the Native Americans the opportunity to become American citizens, and many of them took that opportunity as a very good deal.
And the ones, the Native Americans who took that deal have fared far better off than those who stayed in their own, well, I won't call them concentration camps, but they're not very nice places to live necessarily here in the United States.
But I just want to, I guess, say, finish by saying that I think the most important thing is that we prevent the intervention militarily of American forces and we prevent the Lindsey Grahams of the world from getting involved in a wider conflict with Iran.
And I'm glad that you called this together, by the way, tonight, Elijah, because it is important for us to not be succored by propaganda and not to buy into as emotional as we can get and as much as we pick sides, if you're Muslim, Christian, Jewish, atheist, or whatever, that you at least can get your facts straight and know what the truth is of the matter.
I particularly, whenever it's a conflict like this, I always slow down how much news I put out or how much I retweet in order to ensure that I'm not retweeting propaganda or fake news, because right now is the most dangerous time to be doing what we do.
And it's very easy to jump all over a narrative.
If something gets tweeted or pushed out in the media that I agree with, I don't immediately share it.
I'm actually more skeptical of things that I read that I agree with because I know that that is a danger that I'm going to engage in a confirmation bias.
So I hope more people will start to think that way and keep an open mind.
And like I said, and take someone like Keith and I, if we have these base differences, we can at least admit that not everything that both of what we have said is completely wrong.
And there's probably some middle ground there to find.
And by the way, thank you, Elijah, for hosting this event for us tonight.
Keith, before you respond, because we're going to be wrapping up here, you know, Austin did present his, you know, a solution-based and did present a solution, right?
Which I think is really important.
A lot of people have pointed out my weakness in a lot of, you know, I'm obviously being that guy that's just like, I hate terrorism, I hate genocide.
And I'm getting accused of being a fence sitter, right?
It's like, well, you're not really saying anything.
And the truth is, I'm not really saying anything because I don't have a solution.
I joked on the last show, there was a guy who had a final solution with an Israeli conflict or with a Jewish conflict, and I don't think it ended well for anyone.
So with that being said, you know, when we're talking about a solutions-based approach, you can respond to Austin.
But I also really want you to respond to his idea of like, you know, the annexation or whatever he's saying here about how to deal with this.
Well, I'm not sure what this referendum would involve.
I mean, is it the choice that they kind of become a part of Israel or get annihilated?
I mean, they have elected Hamas as their representatives, and Israel has repeatedly refused a truce with Hamas.
They've offered a truce in exchange for ending the blockade, but Israel refuses to end the blockade.
And, you know, if we, again, if we want to talk about like the element of Islamic extremism, I mean, Israel has had a role in promoting that even within Palestine.
There's an interesting history of how they've promoted some of these extremist Islamist groups to try and break up Palestinian resistance.
But Hamas has offered to be part of a unity government in the past that would have began a process of recognizing the Israeli state and moving towards a peace process.
But it's always been Israel that has scuffered these plans.
In the case of this offer of a unity government, Netanyahu immediately came out and said he didn't want anything to do with it.
And very shortly after, there were skirmishes, and then Israel launched this huge attack on Gaza again, Operation Brothers Keeper.
And they said that this was a proof they couldn't negotiate with Hamas.
So Israel, unfortunately, is not interested in moving forward.
They want to continue these illegal expansions into the West Bank.
They want to continue this campaign of ethnic cleansing.
If you wanted a solution, again, I would say that I think diversity, multiculturalism drives conflict.
I believe that as a nationalist, I believe that the way to get a peaceful world is to allow people peaceful separation and sovereignty.
I know Austin has libertarian prayers.
In a sense, I have a certain libertarian frame in that I do believe non-aggression principle is a fine way to organize things, but I think that the fundamental unit is the nation rather than the individual.
And so what I would like to see is that Palestinians are allowed to pursue their own state, but that's being denied by Israel.
As far as concretely, I would say, again, the status quo that existed as it related to the holy sites, that the Jews could have their holy sites, but they had to respect the Muslim and Christian holy sites.
If that was maintained, there wouldn't have been such a rise in tensions in Israel in the last year with all of these extremist groups in Jerusalem.
I think there shouldn't be an Israeli government that is sympathetic to these extremist apocalyptic groups that considered non-Jews subhuman and have these insane beliefs.
So I think the international community, if you want to use that term, but at least the U.S., if the U.S. stopped supporting this extremist Lekudnic government and said to the Israelis and the Palestinians, you have to sit down and work out a solution.
It has to be based on the sovereignty of both your peoples.
And we're not going to support these extremist Jewish supremacist groups.
We're not going to support this constant antagonism and ethnic cleansing and illegal settlements.
Just the disappearance of U.S. support would kind of force both sides to the negotiating table.
I don't think it's happening because these people are crazy.
In the case of Lindsey Graham, they probably have enough blackmail on him for a George R. Merton novel.
But I think what's driving it is the Israel lobby.
And I think it's hard to deny the power of that.
The most respected international relations scholar in the world, John Mearsheimer, has an excellent authoritative book on this, just called The Israel Lobby, which documents the ways in which the U.S. goes against its own kind of realist strategic interests because of the capture of the very powerful Israel lobby.
APAC is the best example of that.
You know, it's interesting.
I saw recently even Barack Obama in his memoir said that he wanted to try and get some kind of neutral resolution to this conflict.
But what surprised them was the degree to which the Israel lobby stifled this, that they thought there should be no distance between American and Israeli policy.
And whenever he tried to do anything, he ran up against politicians that were terrified of losing their seats because there'd be a well-funded campaign from the Israel lobby to run someone against them.
So I think it's the extremist elements on the Israeli side that primarily are driving this.
I think the solution would be for the international community to treat both sides as equals and, you know, push away from these extremists.
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And I guess I'll just finish by saying this.
First of all, the most important thing I think in conservatives and libertarians is to maintain our America first foreign policy and to ensure that the next president of the United States has that kind of a foreign policy and a prevent a neoconservative takeover again of the American government for peace in the Middle East, in my opinion.
But there was a speech that Benjamin Netanyahu gave in 2015 before the U.S. Congress.
And in this speech, he laid out the possibility of the United States no longer providing foreign aid to the nation state of Israel.
You have the senators like Marco Rubio and Congressman like Matt Gates of Florida and others, right, who set up the United States on a sort of an auto-pay system.
While we're in this without a speaker of the House of Representatives, we're still footing the tax.
The American taxpayers are still footing the bill for Israeli national defense, one of the wealthiest and most powerful countries in the world.
And I don't believe in international, in many of these international rules that require the United States to fund foreign governments, specifically because they use that to fund socialism.
And sometimes that money is even diverted into terrorism and state terrorism against us in the United States.
But Netanyahu, in that speech, made a very important point when he said that the problem with the funds that the American people send to Israel is that it always comes with strings attached.
And depending on who the President of the United States is or whoever, you know, the makeup of the Congress of the United States, whether if it's Democrats, if it's people who oppose nationalists like ourselves or conservatives or libertarians or groipers or whatever we are, that money, those strings that get attached, will tell Israel what to do and what not to do.
So Israel as a nation state can't even act in its own best interests or do what's in its own best interest as a sovereign nation, as Keith was talking about.
If you believe in the base unit as a nation state and not the individual, then I would think that at least the United States should not be telling Israel what to do.
But that probably one of the best solutions, whether you support Israel or you don't, and I morally support Israel and think we should diplomatically support them, but I don't think that we should support them financially or militarily.
And so with that money come strings attached.
When my taxpayer dollars are being spent, I get to have a say.
At least that's what most people believe.
So if anything, returning to an America-first foreign policy, I believe does involve the defunding of Israel, despite my moral support for their cause.
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That's at Keith WoodsYT.
And I would just say, in closing, I agree.
I would hope that there would be an America first foreign policy.
I think that would be better for the world to not have these New York Con wars destabilizing these regions.
You know, I'm coming at this, as I said, from a nationalist perspective.
I'm primarily concerned about Ireland first and Europe secondarily and Western civilization more broadly third.
And, you know, I see that the West loses out from these wars because we get the spillover, we get the refugees, we get the mass migration.
In the case of the refugees that will come from this, you know, we have these Israeli NGOs like Israel, that was one of the main NGOs that sent migrant Arabs to Germany.
I think the demographic replacement of Europeans, the demographic transformation that's happening right now, is really the issue of our day and the fact that the nations of Europe are being slowly displaced.
And we're getting this new globalist form of life I'm opposed to.
I want to protect our identity.
I want all Europeans to stand up for their identity.
And I think old people should protect their identity.
And I think nationalism is the solution to that.
And I hope that we will see pushback against these narratives that are all too familiar from the Iraq war and from Syria and the kind of atrocity propaganda we got to justify all of those conflicts.
Because the loser is always ordinary people in the West.
Of course, the people in the wars suffer.
But like I said, there's always the spillover.
Ordinary Westerners that oppose these wars take the blame.
The Muslim world blames us.
And then we take the refugees and we take people that are quite resentful of us into our lands.
And it creates this unfortunate conflict.
And then you do get the oppressor-oppressed dynamic where they see us as these colonial oppressors.
And we have these people that have this adversarial other identity within our lands.
So that's why this concerns me.
You know, I might have sounded like a real bleeding heart for Palestine tonight, but I do think it matters because, you know, if they are going to flatten Gaza, where are those people going to go?
It always seems to go one direction.
They don't all flee to Egypt.
It always seems to be Europe, and it always seems to be the fighting-edged men we get as well.
So, you know, I'm from a country that's suffering a new kind of plantation in some ways similar to what the Palestinians underwent with military escort and busloads of military-edge men into local communities in Ireland.
I think that's the most pressing issue for me.
But certainly I look at these bigger global events and I see that there will be spillover from this.
And so I hope that people will take in the U.S. an America first position, in Europe, a more isolationist position, and push back against these neocon Zionist warmongers.
Shout out to my guests, Austin Peterson and Keith Woods.
I'm so grateful for having you guys on.
I know it's always difficult as taking either of your positions is going to be making enemies at this point because it's never fun to side with a side in a contentious issue such as this.
But both of you guys have had you on because, you know, Keith isn't ostensibly like anti-Israel or anti-Semitic or anything.
He's just trying to provide the facts.
And Austin is not some sort of like a weird hyper-Zionist guy who, you know, Jews can do no wrong and Jewish supremacy is good.
White supremacy is bad.
He's not contradictory like that.
And so these are both balanced dudes that have their own takes and I really appreciate it.
Thank you guys so much for coming on.
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And Brian, you're going to have to just go ahead and cut the stream here because I don't have a button, unfortunately, with where I'm at.
Have a great rest of the week, and may God bless the United States of America.
