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Well, it seems that Daily Wire has responded to Stephen Crowder.
We were all asking the question: What was going on with this video that Stephen posted the other day?
We'll bring you up to date with that, saying that conservative media was trying to take advantage of individuals, try to ruin their lives, and essentially just running and grabbing cash instead of actually fighting for the values that they claim to support.
Well, everybody had their ideas, they thought who it could be.
But then, in a bizarre turn of events, Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring puts out a 52-minute video with one of the strangest and most antiquated responses line by line.
Today's video, we're going to be reacting to some of that, and we're going to be talking about the bigger picture of what's going on with conservative media.
As somebody who's worked in conservative media for a lot of my adult life and worked with these people and in these companies and around many of the individuals that are listed here, I can say none of them are bad people.
Most of them are just trying to do their best.
But the schisms and the division is quite strange.
People are taking sides.
And what does this mean for the future of our entire movement and the people that are fighting to change this country?
Well, we're going to react to that live here on this episode of Nightly Offensive.
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Welcome back to another installment of Nightly Offensive, the Monday, Wednesday, Friday live streamer.
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So, okay, so basically there was this, there was this about six, seven months ago, Steven Crowder was trying to figure out what he was going to do next.
Okay, trying to figure out where he was going to go, what was going to be the next stage in his journey.
And he was sort of shopping around, figuring out where was he going to stay.
Of course, at that time, him and I both worked for Blaze TV, which is a conglomerate network.
There's only several networks that actually exist for conservative media.
It's basically Blaze TV, Daily Wire, Fox News.
And then there's also some alternatives, right?
There's nonprofits like PragerU and Turning Point USA.
And then there's also a – is the chat already causing problems?
Sorry, I'm taking off the screen.
There's nonprofits.
And then there's, of course, publications like Breitbart, like Rebel, et cetera, that are more news publications.
But your options are pretty limited.
You're either independent like this show, or you work for a network.
And there's not really two options.
I don't know if you know about that, but there's not really two options.
And before we even take any sides here and get upset or get mad at anybody for what's going on, I'd like to say this.
The fact is that every single person who was mentioned by Steven or not mentioned by Steven, every single person that was in Daily Wires video or not mentioned Daily Wires video, I've either met these people personally, had meals with them.
either know them very well or have just worked alongside them directly.
And so I don't, I'm not going to come out of any angle of like being some shill for conservative media because it definitely has its drawbacks.
But I'm also not going to just attack Daily Wire or attack anybody just because it's fun.
Because honestly, these people enable a lot of right-wingers to live life.
They actually provide income.
And I want the show to always be as unbiased as possible in terms of not just taking a side.
People are always like, oh, why don't you just side more with Charlie Kirk?
Or why don't you side more with Nick Fuentes?
It's like, well, because I'm not like Charlie Kirk and I'm not like Nick Fuentes.
And I respect both of them.
And I think they have very interesting strengths, weaknesses, and general approaches.
But we're just going to go Elijah Schaefer.
We're going to go slightly offensive backer.
And I think everyone, the temptation in these moments is to get divided and everybody to try to choose a side and just be like, oh, I want to, I back Steven Crowder or I back Daily Wire.
But I think if we don't look at it more intricately and look at the bigger picture and what this is communicating to us, then I think we're going to miss a lot of what's going on.
And so, you know, so Steven Crowder left.
He announced that he left Blaze.
It was complicated.
Leaving networks never is not from Fox News to MSNBC to everything.
Leaving any job is complicated.
You leave a tax job.
It's probably complicated.
But he kind of was cryptic.
He was putting out weird messages saying like, we're going to tell you tomorrow.
He was making claims that he's not allowed to keep his mug club subscribers.
I know who Steven Crowder is, but I can't, I just, it's not like a memory that I, I don't have anything against him, but it's not like I like really cherish that memory.
So obviously, you guys, if you want to know this, we don't have a bunch of clips cut out.
We are going to look at all the clips of the Daily Wire stuff, but I have to give this background to you on what's going on before we watch all the timestamps because it's just weird what's going on.
And it's weirder for me, I feel like, than a lot of people, simply because, like I mentioned, because of knowing these people, they're not just internet personalities.
It's like, you know, when it's like Jeremy Boring, he's mentioning Tyler Cardin, who's a great guy, and then he's mentioning Steven Crowder, who's a great guy, and you start hearing people that you know to be good people that are honest, that just try to do their best.
We're all flawed.
It's like a hard thing to really take sides because you realize that I don't want to, I don't want to slap right.
I don't want to punch right.
I'm not into that anymore.
And I'm not petty against right-wing people because I just don't hold on to grudges and I don't do that kind of stuff.
And I don't think that's what's going on here.
So anybody who's got hate in their heart that's just like, yeah, Jew wire or whatever, it's like, okay, save that shit.
Well, I don't care.
And then anyone who's just like, you know, oh, Staley Wires knows what they're doing and Steven Crowder's just jealous.
Like, fuck you too.
You know, you guys are all retarded.
You're gay and retarded and you're fake.
And why don't you actually be a real person for a moment and realize the reason why we ought to talk about this is because Steven Crowder made some serious accusations against an unknown de facto group.
There is a group, there's certain media groups that are run by certain types of people that love litigation and contract.
Kanye West talked about that at one point in his life, but he got canceled for it.
So we'll stay off that for the remainder of this conversation.
So the CEO of Daily Wire, I, again, I don't punch right.
I don't really give a damn what your personal opinion is of Jeremy Boring.
His last name is Boring.
That can say a lot about the content.
But I also know, the matter of fact, he's a human being.
He's running a great operation.
Does Daily Wire have massive drawbacks?
110%.
They do.
I mean, like I've talked about on here before, that they don't, you know, during the pandemic, they sort of pushed their people to not talk about certain things to avoid demonetization.
They really toe on a business line, like their business strategy.
If you're upfront about it, then there's nothing wrong with that.
You guys have to realize they're about making money first and foremost.
And they're not really about, like, if something gets in the way of them making money, they don't really fight it.
So they're not, you're not going to get unadulterated, unfiltered content.
But because they choose, on the flip side, they choose to not really hit on harsh issues, warn you about vaccines, call you a dope for not getting the vaccine, and they fuck up sometimes.
They also get the benefit of massive reach.
So it's like they get 90% right, 10% wrong.
Can we really call the whole organization evil like some people do?
Or they all suck or something just because they get 10% wrong.
No.
Wouldn't you drink a glass of water if it had 10% poison in it?
So the breakdown of this is that Stephen Crowder went ahead and brought a contract, which I immediately knew was from Daily Wire.
Flawed Zilla actually was like, I wonder who this contract is from.
And shout out to Flawed.
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And then I just like DM'd him.
I'm like, DW.
And he's like, yeah, I was thinking that too.
Because, like I said, there are certain types of people that are extremely litigious.
And I actually want to bring this up because one of the things that I don't like from people to do is they assume that because, you know, maybe you had a bad experience with someone or something or you go from somewhere that you're going to be net negative.
Let me tell you something very positive here.
I knew this was not about Blaze TV, like 100%, because Blaze TV's contracts are not as litigious or as long or hold any of those things.
And Steven Crowder was working for Blaze.
So people that came out immediately and were like, this is Blaze TV.
They're trying to screw him.
Like, you were reaching because if that was true, then someone like myself would have just told you guys.
That was the reality.
But the truth is, is even those contracts are not that long.
Now, here's the problem where we start.
What Stephen was saying is he's frustrated because when he, allegedly, I have to be very careful with saying this, not about any other reason than just I haven't seen the documents.
And one of the most important parts about this that I want to bring up is that when he's leaving Blaze TV, allegedly, they're not letting him keep his mug club members because technically he was working for Blaze.
So, you know, when you sign up for Mug Club, it actually became a Blaze TV subscription and you don't get to keep that email list.
Now, I can attest to that, that when I left the company, when you leave any company, you don't get to keep any of the information.
Like I built up a massive email list with a lot of members and people that signed up with my promo code and it was a bunch of members.
You don't get access to any of your subscribers or followers when you leave.
I can say that from experience.
You just don't, you don't get that.
And I know he was mad.
He was really mad because let's say me, I have maybe hundreds, thousands of subscribers.
I mean, I don't know.
They never tell you.
But you build up this huge list for your channel of all these people that paid supporters.
And then when you leave, you have no idea who was supporting you at all.
You don't get to keep the information and you're just kind of left to start from zero from scratch.
And for me, it's like, okay, if it's a few thousand people, it could have been 10,000.
I have no idea.
It could have been a few hundred.
I'm saying for me, I could be mad, but I'm sure I know why Steven's more like upset because that's probably hundreds of thousands of people at least.
Maybe 100,000 more paid subscribers that now he probably doesn't have access to.
It could be wrong.
And if I'm wrong, that's fine.
I just, that's what I've, that's what I'm saying could be happening here.
So he's pissed because he's probably going to have to restart from zero.
And maybe Blaze is really cool and actually gave him a list.
I have no idea.
I don't really care.
It's not my life.
All I'm saying is he did release an initial, like that initial video on Twitter.
That's what I'm referring to, where he was just kind of like, I don't get to keep my info, sign up at Mug Club forever.
And he was mad.
And I can feel that resentment because as a content creator, it sucks when you, for three, four, five, six years, you're with a company and you build up that base.
And then these people supported because of you.
You don't get to keep that information.
I feel like ever since he came out and said that, it's sort of put a downhill spiral on terms of like, he even said in his video, he hasn't been happy for a while.
And as a man, like when you don't have access to where you can make money, I think it makes you unhappy because one of the best things of a man is being a provider.
So he seemed really depressed, really discouraged.
And I like Steven a lot personally as a person.
He's a very nice guy.
His team is incredible and I really like them.
And I also love Tyler Cardin, the CEO of Blaze.
Incredible guy.
Love him.
He is a mastermind.
And so it's, you know, it's hard when there's disagreements between people you both appreciate and you love and to see there be that problem.
He didn't know because I'm sure he's just older and he probably doesn't even handle his own contract because he probably has a team that does it for him.
But I found it to be funny because I also know, I know the position Steven's in.
I know Steven wants, I know Steven wants a lot of money.
I know that.
I know he deserves a lot of money.
And I liked one comment that I said that said, Boar, rich people fighting over how much money they should get.
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So basically, so that's where we're at.
I was going to show you a video.
It was really funny.
It was, I guess I can't, can I download it real fast?
I want to see a video that can just be a quick little clip that'll just summarize it really quickly to help me to understand what the situation is happening.
No, so what I'm trying to say is the most important part is that I'm trying to give an inside perspective because everyone's got an opinion, but it's like, can you just tell us what happened and then give you a point?
We have a two-hour live stream, so we have time.
It's called content.
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I know you're not going to think you, I know that you're getting frustrating.
Steven Crowder doesn't just say like, hey, I have a bad contract or like I got bad numbers.
He accuses this unknown company of being in bed with big tech because of clauses that say if you get demonetized, we're going to dock your production budget and your pay by 25%.
And he goes, dude, that's literally like they always demonetize us.
Like I'm demonetized.
And he's going, these companies are in bed.
So I get paid less if I get demonetized.
Then they're going to make sure I get demonetized.
Don't do anything that's going, don't do or say anything that's going to get you demonetized because you are going to feel the yeah, and it was from each platform, like from Facebook, from YouTube.
However, I will say this, that it is absolutely true in a hundred ways, more ways, that he was explaining that not only these contracts exhaust you, but they basically take away your creativity and force you not to speak your mind, not to speak about what you would want to.
Now, now you start to understand why certain, he didn't name them, but now that the company's out there, why certain people who are awesome, by the way, who I know personally, who have loving families, who are incredible individuals, like Matt Walsh, like Michael Knowles, like Brett Cooper.
Actually, if you guys want to hear something sad, the week that I left the Blaze, Michael Knowles was scheduled on this show.
But I would like to say that for generations, people similar have had beds made of money.
So it could be real.
I don't know.
But I also mean that company is not a bad company.
I've also been on Candace's show.
I've worked with every single person that's big on that network outside of Ben in my professional career, and they're cool and they're fucking awesome.
And I'm not going to talk shit on them because there's no reason to.
And at Blaze, by the way, like with any company, you can bump heads with people, you can have issues, but for the most part, everyone there, hosts are very cool, and also the staff and the executives are very cool.
And oh, people go, oh, I, you know, you know, cause problems.
I'm not going to cause problems.
You know why?
Because in the midst of this, I don't think there needs to be a problem between Daily Wire, between Blaze, between Crowder.
I think that there's a middle ground.
So what I was expecting to do is I was expecting Jeremy Boring to come out and just be like, not say anything, because it's like, okay, so Steven Crowder just says that you guys are shysty.
Everyone kind of knows this.
I mean, you don't just, I respect the hell out of Brett Cooper, so I'm not mitigating her success.
I just meant you don't just gain 12, you know, 1.2 million subscribers overnight unless you're working for a company that's got some connections with big tech like and some serious marketing money and some serious advertising money.
And you know what?
People who talk shit on Brett Cooper for growing so quickly, they're just jealous because I wish I had that kind of money.
And the truth is, is that no other company backs their people and spends more money than to promote them and to get them big outside of the networks, like maybe Fox News or MSNBC than Daily Wire.
Blaze doesn't, Breitbart does it, Turning Point doesn't.
Nobody does, okay?
Nobody does.
Pregerhuven spends a shit ton of money on advertising and promotions, all generated views and stuff.
And it still does not compare to the budget that Daily Wire invests into their hosts.
And that's so respectable.
That's incredible.
That's why a lot of people are jealous because all you got to do is not talk about one subject or whatever subject they tell you not to talk about in the moment that could get you demonetized.
And then you'll have the best fucking job for your entire life.
So it is a little bit jealousy people have.
I think, you know what I'm saying?
People are like, oh, well, they can't talk about, this is my favorite.
This is now shit on working class America, but it's always the guy that's like making $40,000 a year that's like, oh, Matt Walsh didn't hit on the pandemic earlier in the year.
And you're like, well, dude, have you ever made seven figures?
Have you ever made eight figures?
Sometimes you might question, like, is it worth jeopardizing the greatest provision for my family ever to just be right about something?
And I mean that as a man.
Like, it's like you're in a company and it's everyone's always like, you should name them.
And it's like, hey, fuck you.
You should go up to your boss today and tell him what you really think.
No.
Like, really?
Really?
Oh, so these people control the media and they run everything, but you want me to just shit on the people that fund my job?
It's easy to speak the truth when you have nothing to lose and they have nothing to take from you.
Like, what?
There's this like quote.
There's this quote that's like, if you can only control a man if you don't take everything away from him.
But if you take everything away from him, you can't control him and he's free.
So if you have absolutely nothing to lose, say whatever you want.
You've got absolutely nothing to lose.
But if you have something to lose and you have people depending on you and a family and stuff saying whatever you want that comes with consequences and you actually have something that is valuable to lose, it's probably a harder decision to make.
Well, and by the way, by no means am I defending the Matrix am I saying that it's that it's correct?
What I'm saying is it's easy to judge people when you haven't been in their shoes.
So it's really easy.
Like it's like, oh, well, you know, Andrew Tate isn't promoting that stuff.
Andrew Tate made his money off of cam girls.
So, you know, and like 50 Cent isn't doing that.
Well, he made his money off of selling drugs, you know, initially.
So a lot of these guys haven't made those risks.
And so maybe they're not, maybe the risk they're taking now is not speaking up on something.
And that just proves the fact that you really probably can't get ahead and make a ton of money without some compromise.
And that's a shitty truth.
And everyone's going to hate me for that in reality.
But there's a reason why a lot of people go independent, don't get ahead, never get as big as other people.
It's because they're not willing to take, they're not willing to compromise.
So there's a ton of people I know who just are not willing to submit to that.
And there's a reason why Blaze TV has a lot more hosts than Daily Wire.
Because there's a ton of people who want to make money, but most people don't want to submit to that level of control.
And that's a really difficult thing for me to say when the fact I respect these people.
I'm not one of those people.
It's not that I was going to work for Daily Wire or anything, but I've always struggled when someone above me or around me tries to tell me, you can't tweet that, you can't say that, you can't do that.
Because I'm like, fucking, why?
Why?
It's what I think.
Why can't I explain to you what I really think about the world?
Because I think that men should be completely blunt about how they view the world and that we shouldn't toe the line, that we shouldn't hide these things.
And I think that's what Steven was mad about, was that Steven's had a lot of autonomy.
Even in Blaze TV, his studio is separate.
It's in a whole nother building far away.
And I think he's just kind of like, I've never been told what to do.
I don't want to do this.
And I'm not going to be one of those people.
And when I say this about not wanting the Matrix, I'm not saying people should compromise.
I'm saying that was what Steven, I felt like, was saying.
Was like, maybe other people are willing to not speak about vaccines or different things because the money is worth it to them.
Maybe they want to give in to certain hysteria or listen, but I'm not going to do that.
And he was insulted.
From my understanding, he was insulted that he was being kind of like told that if you think for yourself, if you're fully independent, if you actually don't listen to us, then we're going to punish you.
And it is insulting.
It's fucking gross and it's insulting.
And that's why I call this a bizarre rant from the CEO because why don't you just be forthcoming about your company in terms of like Prague or you?
Everyone's like, PragerU is a Jew media.
It's Jew controlled.
Bro, they're literally, they're like mission statements.
We support the interests of like Israel and the United States.
Like you get mad at cats for meowing.
Like they're very upfront.
They're very upfront with what they support.
Just don't consume them if you don't like them.
But I think that I don't know if Crowder was living under a rock or what, or he just didn't, he was so focused on work that he didn't pay attention.
But I guess he didn't know the sacrifices that people make to work for those organizations and the amount of control that those organizations have on what you can and can't say.
Like, I mean, look, I think Candace Owens wasn't allowed to have Kanye on her show anymore.
It's her friend.
I would rather spend a day for free with Kanye West just to respect him than I would to take all the money in the world and work for a place like Daily Wire.
And they would never offer me a job either because fuck it.
They know I would never submit to that shit.
And I think that that's where they kind of got confused because Crowder was a big name.
Maybe he was going to submit, but he was never going to.
Because Crowder is legit.
I do know that.
I'm going to say that.
Crowder's not in this for the money.
I know that for a matter of fact.
Does he make a shit ton of money?
Yes.
He's one of the biggest entertainers in the entire YouTube sphere.
Where do you think the balance is in like I'm just thinking this out loud, so I don't really know how to gather my thoughts into proper words.
But you're you say whatever you want, basically, and you are completely silenced.
And so only people who follow you can see what you say and whatever.
And other people similar to you who say, you know, they're just blunt about certain facts and truths or different things like that get totally like suppressed in their reach along with all the other things that they talk about.
There may be just 10% of the things that you talk about is what suppresses you, whereas everything else, or maybe the 90% of other things, is going to be the same as the people who work at Daily Wire, except you go an extra 10% further.
But with the Daily Wire people, their reach is endless and their money is endless.
And the people that they could maybe red pill or get to, maybe they're not saying the extra 10% that people feel like, hold on, if you're going to say the truth, say the whole truth, go further, don't just stop there.
Do you think, like, where's the balance?
Or do you think there is still good in that of like, look, maybe they don't say everything, but they are reaching people that you could dream of reaching.
And probably they're so much more mainstream and accepted.
Because they are tame in their speech and they aren't allowed to say certain things, they are going to be allowed to be more involved in the conversation with people that you just aren't going to be able to.
Yes, but what I think that's what I said about The Rock is that people, if you're not honest about that, like, you know, people are like, oh, you know, I'm trying to be honest and correct, not saying I like it.
Like, it's like, I can already tell the chat people get mad, you know, when they're like, oh, he wants the Daily Wire money or whatever.
Dude, I'll never, they'll never offer it to me.
I not only don't want it, they're never going to offer it to me.
In fact, I've had nothing but problems working in big conservative media because of the things that I say.
And in fact, it's been a constant struggle to make money.
And if you followed the show, I've lost seven figures of money over the years.
In fact, I've lost most of the funding of this show from taking risks and from doing things.
I mean, I was told not, you know, I've been told a lot of things.
I'm not going to get into it because it would piss people off.
But I've been, you know, there's been a lot of attempts of control on my life over the years, and I've resisted the best that I can.
And I've never not said something because I was told not to say it.
I've always spoken my mind.
But I'm not super extreme in the fact that I actually started this to be in the center and I was honest.
What I am trying to say is, is that if you don't, just because Matt Walsh is cool and Michael Knowles is cool and all these people are cool, you have to know what you're getting when you watch the Daily Wire.
You're getting a filtered perspective of standardized, central, centralized, mainstream, neoconservative viewpoints that are like kosher, advertiser-friendly, and safe.
And you're not going to be hitting on ideas that are stretching the bounds of discovery or challenging the status quo.
You're not going to be getting cutting-edge entertainment.
It may look like it, but most people don't want that.
And that's who they're catering to.
They're catering to the mainstream.
Most people just want to believe Israel's our greatest ally.
They want to believe Trump was bad and DeSantis is the answer or the opposite that Trump may back vaccines and have pushed shutdowns, but he's still going to save our country, even though he's having his first rally with Lindsey Graham.
People have this cult-like tribalistic mentality.
And if you play to that, and I know that I always had pressure to play to that because you work for a network, you get pressure from people.
It's not like it's the executives or people like that.
It's like internally, like the company, like host people, that they stop inviting you on your show.
They talk to you.
They're like, why are you doing this?
And people try to pressure you out of being yourself.
I'm just saying I have a lot more respect for Crowder now because when you find out that Crowder was offered a ton of money for this, I want to go to some timestamps.
For people who are familiar with going to church or whatever, I think one thing that you and I have always struggled with is when you go to churches, they often feel like, I think they call them like crown churches, like the colors, those little colors, because you go in and it's almost for like new believers, for someone who's never heard the Bible before, a really watered down message.
You're not going to hear them talk about abortion.
You're not going to hear them talk about gay marriage.
You're not going to hear them talk about really stuff that's offensive and uncomfortable.
But I think the majority of churches are like seeker-friendly churches.
I think that's what they're called, where everyone's welcome if you're gay, if you're this, whatever lifestyle.
Come and just, we're going to just say, don't be anxious.
God is love.
Jesus loves you.
And just come in and just be a part of our community.
And you can bring a lot of people in there, but you're not going to hear things that would even make Christians feel uncomfortable and challenged.
And perhaps in these big media companies, they're like seeker-friendly for conservatives or people who have those views.
And you can come in and go, yeah, drag shows are bad.
And yeah, this, you know, climate, you know, or talk about these different kinds of things that is like, that's not really offensive to most people.
Like, that's pretty basic unless you're some really crazy person.
But I think you are not seeker-friendly, conservative.
I think you are very offensive where even people who are conservative and would agree with 90% of what you say would feel offended by some of the things you say or feel confronted by some of your views and opinions.
Yes, but apparently that's like about, it comes out with the episodes that he was being offered to like, I think even if like they were offering him an additional day to shoot, they'd be paying him $15,000 a day on top of what he was making to do some other work as well, which is pretty good.
I don't know about you, but I mean, the kind of money that people in media make is really insane.
It's borderline crazy.
And you'll see that's why it attracts the most narcissistic and probably some of the most crazy stuff.
That's why I always say, like, it's like, why do you think there's so much cut down?
Like, even this drama, it's all about fighting.
Because there's a lot of money on the line.
And so people think of other people as, if someone sees someone as competition, they'll just cut them down.
Or like, that's kind of like politics, right?
You ever watch politics?
Like, it's like somebody's running against the other person.
And then rather, like, you never hear anything about the policies they're fighting for.
Like, you have nothing.
You don't know anything about what John Fetterman wants for the country, but you know he's a caveman and he's retarded.
But I'm also saying, like, I'm no longer talking to anyone in the industry.
Like, well, I'm just like doing my own thing because the industry, I thought maybe I can change it.
I can change her, Dad.
I swear I can change her.
I can bring her.
And I thought, like, I could do something to the industry and I could help it.
It's not going anywhere.
It's fucked.
And the people are fucking shitty.
But I will say that's why I feel bad about this because it's like, ah, Steven, you got millions of dollars.
Why are you and the other millionaire fighting over money?
Like, I ignore the bullshit, but this is like pretty high-level stuff.
And so I find this interesting because, you know, like I said, I know these people, if you're just on the live, I've dealt with these contracts, kind of contracts before.
I understand the frustrations of Steven.
And I also know, like, I see Dave Rubin weighing in on this and kind of being like, oh, Steven doesn't know what he's talking about.
Can I also just say this, clarify, I don't think Steven actually gives a fuck about the money, but I think his team, the people working on it, do, because money is important and it's about understanding.
But I think the main reason why he was mad, and I think it's so funny that this particular group of people starts with talking about the money as if that's the only important thing when in reality what Steven seemed to be most mad about was the level of control and pressure and the way that they were in bed with big tech.
So there's a certain group of people that likes to say like, but we'll give you money and we'll give you money in media.
And they give a lot of people a lot of money in media.
And who am I talking about?
Executives.
Exactly.
Executives and lawyers.
They give lots of money to people for doing their work, except they just want you to shut up.
And that's one of the difficult perspectives.
I don't know if Stephen's been in one of these negotiations for a long time, is that they'll just pay you less, the less they can control you.
It's just like the less power we have, the less power we have to control you, the less we're going to pay you.
But that makes sense to me because for a company like Daily Wire or Fox News or whatever company, the less control they have over their employees is probably a little bit scary to them because their employees are a representation of them and their views.
And so if Daily Wire or Fox News or whatever company is trying, you know, wants their company policy or stance on something is particular and you have an employee that's not going to fall in line or not going to say the things that you agree to, then there's going to be issues.
Like, you know, like the whole Tommy Lauren situation at Blaze where she was pro-abortion and it was sort of like, well, this company is not for abortion.
And so you kind of need to represent our things.
So, I mean, I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can understand from a company point of view, having less control of your employees and what they say and put out publicly is probably a liability to you.
And one of the things that that's what I'm saying, like one of the things is if it reflects bad on the company, like I will never understand, and I've seen this in media.
There is plenty of people who work in media who have no clue that they're representatives of the company and they write shit and then they get fired for it, right?
Like Disney, everyone.
It's like you write something, it's like, oh, you're an editor at Disney, and then you make a comment about drag queens, you might get fired because why the fuck are you commenting on your corporation business?
You're a low-level employee that works in the creative department.
Why the fuck are you making public comments about your company?
Like it's inappropriate.
It is.
It's totally.
But Steven's not a low-level employee.
He's literally hired as a representative or a brand ambassador.
He's actually a face, right?
So I fully agree about the control of people whose job isn't communicating.
Like if I hired you to fucking edit, do not be talking about my company on the internet.
Like just fuck you for doing that.
But if I hired you to talk about my company on the internet, then yeah, I might want a little control, right?
But if you're not hired to talk publicly, shut the fuck up and don't talk about my company.
And I agree with that.
Anybody I've ever worked with, if they ever spoke about me, they're retarded.
Meaning, like, that's just dumb.
And I've worked for companies that have told me, like, I've mentioned things, for instance, about like my photo.
Like, I remember one time I commented on a review on a photo booth company on Yelp, and the company's like, you can't comment on reviews of the photo booth company.
And I'm like, yeah, okay, I understand that.
And also, too, the reason why you have to mitigate that is because, like in this conversation, I could see why they would want control because let's just be straight up.
There's something called the crazy ex-employee thing where people leave bad situations, bad relationships, and then they fucking trash companies.
This is very common.
You see this in bad reviews on Yelp in Google reviews.
People get on and all of a sudden they're a victim of the executive, you know, and this and that.
And there's a huge problem.
And so like, you do have to have contracts in control because people do just go fucking blitzed and they just, people team up.
People do crazy stuff.
And Steven's not exempt from that.
And I do know that that's why like Steven wanting complete independence under a contract doesn't fully make sense to me because like people do dumb shit all the time.
They just fucking stay dumb shit.
And so you don't want that to happen.
But I also don't think Steven has a history of just going out and creating drama against people.
I've never seen that.
I've never seen it.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never seen it.
I do know that through this as well, that there was some of this, there was a conversation about whether they would own his social media.
His official Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, Snapchat, Rumble, and other social media accounts, excluding his existing personal Twitter and Instagram accounts.
So why would we exclude some and not exclude others?
Well, we're saying that during the term, we have, of course, he puts his podcast on Apple Podcast.
We're the ones monetizing the Apple Podcast.
So this is just making clear that, yes, if we're selling ads in his podcast, the podcast goes out on Apple Podcasts.
That revenue comes back to us.
We put something up on Facebook.
Same thing.
We bring in ad revenue off that Facebook piece of content.
But we're going to own that during the term.
Obviously, at the end of the term, he's going to get his official Facebook account back.
He's going to get his official YouTube account back.
He's going to get his official Apple Podcast channel back.
But during the term, again, all those people behind us, we've got experts in every one of these platforms, how to optimize it, how to make sure that you're getting the most out of it.
And we'll manage that and we'll collect the revenue.
But not as Twitter and Instagram, because those are very personal channels.
You definitely can't say what you want when you work for a company.
And I find that to be the weird thing, though, that people think that media is exempt.
Like, can you, if you work for Northrop Grumman, I don't think you can even post anything.
If you work for defense contractors, if you work for a university, you're very like, so people are always like, oh, if I work for media, I can say whatever I want.
But if what you're saying hurts the end goal of the company, then you can be penalized.
When I spoke to a doctor the other day and asked them a question, they said, well, I'm not allowed to advise against vaccines or against certain things.
And so you're trying to ask a question like, oh, so like, what do you think about this or whatever, a medication or something like that?
And they go, well, I'm not allowed to sort of say anything.
We're the ones who are going to own subscription revenue during the term.
So I think all this is very fair and very obvious to anyone.
You wouldn't pay somebody $50 million to then compete with, have them work for your competitor, and you wouldn't pay them $50 million to have them compete directly against you.
Now, here's this section that I know Stephen was very offended by.
And I think he misunderstood and therefore misrepresented.
Fee reductions.
There's a different fee reduction for all those kinds of contents we've created.
Daily content.
If he fails for any reason to deliver 192 episodes of the daily show, Or if he fails to include the ads that we agreed to or the promotions that we agreed to in those episodes, then we'll give a $100,000 reduction every time.
What's that about?
Well, again, you can't pay someone any amount of money, but you certainly can't pay them an unimaginably huge amount of money for their show and then not get the show.
So, what this is saying is you don't have to produce a show every day.
You don't have to produce 260 or 250 or 240 or 230 or 220 or 210 episodes a year.
You've got to produce 192 episodes a year.
You can film some of them in advance.
You can stack them up.
All of that's contemplated in there.
You can shoot on a Friday so that you can take two days off next week.
But if you don't give us 192 episodes, we can't pay you the same amount of money as if you did give us 192 episodes.
So this is just, yeah, you give us 192 times four minus one.
Then out of your 50 million, we're hitting minus 100,000.
Steven said that this is unfair, that if he had a sick day or gotten a car wreck, we'd dock him $100,000.
But I think that's just totally inaccurate for two reasons.
One, presumably, if he was sick this Tuesday, he could just shoot an episode next Friday, and you'd be completely even.
No, but you can get to the unfiltered chat here, which is great.
And you can send super chats there and we'll read them at the end of the show.
It's amazing.
And if you want to be a sponsor of the show and join us in helping support and raise our own support, we really appreciate that as we continue to grow and make the show possible.
Some good guests coming up.
I'm not going to give, but we have really good guests lined up for the next several weeks.
It's just taking me a little bit of time because I'm just trying to find the right people to work with.
I'm trying to book people.
It's just so many challenges.
There's always so much bullshit and red tape and everything.
But I'm really happy that we're getting back on the game.
And after exploring a lot of new guest ideas and people that were out there, we have a lot of amazing people and faces.
You might have already seen who I love and are good friends.
But one of the most important parts I think about this was that Tim Poole said that Steven Crowder is going to be on Timcast on Monday.
So the main accusation was about the fact of big tech, right?
And he doesn't get to it until 30 minutes into the show.
This is a very litigious people group type of thing where it's like you go on this bizarre rant for 50 minutes and you really don't hit home until 30 minutes in.
He gets to the main crux of it, which is really amazing.
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So let's get into this.
Let's get into this video, back in this video.
He addresses what's going on with the accusations of big tech here.
So in that way, Stephen is still driving, he's still driving success for YouTube.
It's unfortunate that YouTube has chosen to cut him out of participating in that success.
In fact, I think YouTube is utterly wrong.
The only time I've ever, of course, they're going to want to alternative platform.
But right now, we all still are dependent for getting our message out to have access to big tech and to monetize our content.
We have to have access to big tech.
That's where the audience is, and it's where the money is.
It's also where Stephen Crowder has made his entire name.
He's the biggest conservative YouTube star of all time.
He put out his video criticizing us and this contract as not being sufficiently conservative.
The number one place people will view it is on YouTube.
And that's not wrong.
That's where people are.
Of course, they're going to watch it on YouTube.
Of course, he's going to put it out on YouTube.
That's where the audience is.
Now, Stephen might respond by saying, yes, but I don't make any money off of YouTube.
I have been demonetized there.
And that's a point that we'll talk about here.
Nevertheless, obviously, you and I never went when we go to YouTube to watch Steven Crowder.
Steven Crowder may be demonetized and he may not make any money.
YouTube, though, still makes money off of us.
So in that way, Stephen is still driving, he's still driving success for YouTube.
It's unfortunate that YouTube has chosen to cut him out of participating in that success.
In fact, I think YouTube is utterly wrong.
The only time I've ever talked to the CEO of YouTube, it was to criticize her for her treatment of Steven Crowder.
I didn't even talk to her about the Daily Wire.
I had nothing to say at that moment about Daily Wire, but at that time they had demonetized Stephen.
And I used my one audience with one of the most powerful CEOs in the world to tell her that what she was doing to Steven Crowder was absolutely unethical and wrong.
So what were we trying to accomplish with this section?
Well, let's go through it.
The reduction of fee from lost revenue from boycotts, content strikes, or bans from major social media platforms.
A add drop.
If Crowder is boycotted or dropped by more than 50% of his then-extant advertising partners, that is, if 50% of the money that he's making from advertisers is suddenly gone and we're not able to replace that revenue within 90 days, then his fee will be reduced by 25% until such time as the ad revenue has been restored for a period of 90 days and then it would all reset.
Stephen says, all the left does is boycott our advertisers.
So this just says to the left, your boycotts work and we'll enforce it for you.
We will punish the content creator for you.
This isn't about punishing the content creator.
This is about if the Daily Wire is going to leverage, I can't say, I can't stretch it, probably $100 million by the time you have marketing, infrastructure costs, by the time you pay for all the legal compliance, all the technology that it takes to support Stephen Show and Stephen Show, even at the price that we offered for it, which he would have wanted much more, at least $100 million.
Obviously, if the show makes dramatically less money, well, then Stephen has to make less money because we're making less money.
And I brought this up to Stephen on the phone, and I said, Stephen, if your show, if we guarantee you $1, $1 for your show, and the show makes $1 in ad revenue and $1 in subscription revenue, then how does the money work?
Well, it works that $2 come in, you get your guaranteed dollar, we get a dollar.
What do you do with your dollar?
Well, you produce your show and you pay yourself.
What do we do with our dollar?
Well, we market your show, provide all the back-end infrastructure, pay for the 250-plus humans who work to make all of this continue to grow.
By the way, we don't pay for one single person more than we need.
There's no charity jobs.
We're not giving our money away.
If anything, we're understaffed by 50%.
We ask more of our employees than any other company probably in America today.
We drive people incredibly hard because our resources are limited, because we're trying to accomplish so much for our values, for our movement.
So we pay for that out of our dollar, and then we pay ourselves.
That's how it works.
I said, if the next day one of the dollars, the ad dollar, goes away, now what happens?
Should it be that you said something on your show that caused that $1 to go away?
Now you keep your $1 and we make zero?
I said, that wouldn't make any sense.
Obviously, you would have to lose a little and we would have to lose a little.
I said, we're trying to sort of emulate the idea of a joint venture.
And Stephen said, no, you should lose all the money.
It's your business.
I said, well, Stephen, how would we have a business?
Why would we be in business?
And how would we stay in business?
And Stephen, this is a very important point.
Stephen, again, I think the most entertaining, talented person in the conservative movement, I think one of the most entertaining and talented people in entertainment generally in the country today has created a very successful content generation company, a very successful production company.
But Stephen's never had to create the company that actually distributes, markets, and monetizes all of that content.
Okay, so before we get into that, he basically is saying on the midst of this, okay, so Stephen, you know, he's like, okay, so Stephen Crowder, you know, is like, he basically is complaining that we're working with big tech and then doesn't refute that.
So that's where we make our money.
And that's been one of my biggest issues.
You know, I'm just going to call her, I'm just going to call her some A, okay?
I know somebody who's one of the biggest advertiser financiers for all of right-wing media.
So this might be boring for some people, but this is incredibly understandable.
The way that companies, right-wing makes money is if you're a left-wing podcast and you talk, you know, you're a woman, you go, I'm not clit sturdy.
And then people go, yeah, and they go, but first, you know what I do love?
A Big Mac from McDonald's.
You're like, hold up.
Did you just make a crass joke about your vagina and you're sponsored by McDonald's?
See, it got your shock, but I've heard podcasts like this.
It's like Amy Schumer, etc.
Yes.
So they go like this.
Now, right-wing, right, people made jokes about this that were like right-wing podcasts are like, do you love this country?
Do you ever get a parched throat from singing the national anthem while you're shooting your guns?
Well, you need to get that with a little bit of patriot water.
It's like regular water, but for people who bleed red, which is also everyone, but also for patriots.
And you're like, what?
I have no idea what that even means, but they're sponsoring the show.
And then people dog are like, this is a grift.
Dude, you've got to fund a show.
I'm sorry that our CPMs, like a lot of conservative shows, our CPMs are pennies on the dollar compared to liberal shows.
We get no major sponsors.
You ever seen who sponsors Fox News?
It's like vegetable capsules.
And I'm not knocking because I'll take a vegetable capsule sponsor.
As long as they give you your money back guarantee, as long as somebody gives you your money back guarantee, remember, under TAC, UnderTAC, UNDERTAC.com, promo code offensive 2020% off their underwear.
I tell people, if a company will give you a money-back guarantee or they give you a lifelong guarantee, then I will trust their product.
Because if they trust their product enough to give you a refund, then there's no reason to not try it or to at least give into it.
But the problem is, is that she was telling me, like, back in AM Radio days, we used to find companies that would sponsor and our views would be on radio.
So we couldn't get deplatformed off the radio waves.
Well, you could, but you, for the most part, you couldn't.
And we would find conservative companies that would partner with you.
Now, the problem with this is, is that that would allow you to speak freely.
That's why AM Radio still remains one of the best conservative talking points or places to speak about your ideas.
Alex Jones is still on AM Radio.
When we started putting all of our effort into putting our ideas onto big tech platforms that hate us was our biggest demise.
And she told me that.
She goes, because it's like, the problem is, is that even when you find a company that will advertise on YouTube, you know, you get your channels demonetized.
Like, I just want to put into perspective, we make pennies on the dollar, but if you evaluate, it's so funny.
If you look up this channel, it says we should be making like, you know, like an ad revenue somewhere between like, you know, we're making anywhere from like three.
I mean, I think last month in December, this channel did like 25 million views or something, which in itself is worth about $50,000.
It's worth $50,000 in ad revenue, like minimum, pretty much.
It's worth about $50,000.
That's $50,000 we just don't get on this channel.
We just don't get the ad revenue.
And every month we should be getting somewhere between like $5,000 to $12,000 minimum a month on this channel for the views that we get.
And we just don't get that.
On top of that, we don't get super chats, which can be another 10 grand a month.
You're losing out on quarter million dollars on a small channel a month just by being demonetized.
Literally, a quarter million dollars.
That's literally how much money you're losing out on.
But even if you get remonetized, they're going to give you the shitty CPM.
So you're going to get like maybe 50 grand a year, which to you, a lot of people is good money.
That's great.
You can hire a new editor.
You can bring someone on.
You can expand.
And I'm not knocking 50 grand.
I'm just trying to say that she said that the demise of right-wing media where we really pussied out was when we relied on big tech platforms for our money.
And I'm here too.
And I'm just here for fun.
No, but I mean that genuinely because I've taken risks and guess what?
I've paid the cost.
And I've taken risks with advertisers.
I paid the cost.
And I think I've calculated it.
And the amount of advertisers I've lost and money, I think we're like over $2 million now in terms of money this show's lost from just things I've said and done.
Probably about a million of that would have gone to just like making films or doing things.
I would have loved to have had more money, but whatever.
$2 million, fuck it.
We can make it somewhere else.
I just mean, legitimately speaking, I'd rather live off of my $17 a week in Trident Layers.
Shout out to the locals community who makes this show possible.
But I mean, like, he's basically saying, like, look, we've cocked ourselves out as media organizations.
We literally make our money from people who hate us.
And we've done it.
We've screwed ourselves over.
We now get all of our money and we entrust our ideas to be accurately displayed on platforms that don't express our ideas, that hate us, that want us dead.
And so the genius, our enemy, has us by the throat.
It's really smart stuff.
It's got to be moralized.
It's a little black pilling, but then you get these guys that are your boss.
And you don't want that as your boss.
I can tell you that from knowing.
Only because you really don't want.
And if you think that's bad, wait till you see what it's like having big tech as your boss because everyone you know that's not on that's on big tech isn't Fuentes made cozy TV.
Can I just say as a side note, last night, Elijah and I tried to watch a movie and it takes maybe five minutes into the movie before Elijah has to research what everyone's getting paid, how much was the budget, how this, that, and the other, and the whole movie, that's all he does is just tell me, oh, and this actor made this much money and look at the budget.
Yeah, and this and this.
It's like, just watch the movie.
Why don't you, you're like, wow, this is such a good movie.
One of the only true independent conservative voices.
And I find that incredibly offensive.
You know, Stephen, the whole time I've known him, has worked for someone else, has been paid by someone else.
That doesn't mean other people tell him what to say.
He's a very independent voice, and that's good.
So is Matt Walsh.
So is Candace Owens.
So is Ben Shapiro.
So is Michael Knowles.
So is Brett Cooper.
But Stephen, you know, as much or more than any of them, a very independent voice.
But he's not exactly a self-made man.
That's not true.
He was paid by PJ TV when I met him, which was owned by a billionaire at the time.
Then he was paid by CR-TV for a number of years, which was owned by a billionaire at the time.
Then he was paid by The Blaze, which was subsidized by a billionaire, until Tyler Carton, one of the real genius businessmen in our movement, turned the company around and made it profitable.
During all of that time, Stephen drove a ton of revenue.
He's incredibly valuable.
I'm not suggesting that he wasn't driving value.
He was.
I'm only saying he didn't have to build all of that.
He didn't have to think about it.
And he didn't necessarily have to be profitable.
And he doesn't know for a fact that he was profitable because, as he has said very publicly, all those companies, none of them really shared all the information about what was happening with them.
So Stephen feels very certain that his show was always profitable, but he doesn't know that his show was profitable.
And even if it was, what became of that profit?
Most of that profit almost certainly was reinvested into growing the infrastructure and growing the technology and growing the marketing and growing the compliance.
That's how business works.
And if you were going, if you're the Daily Wire, we're a very successful company by conservative media standards, and we're a tiny fraction of the smallest legacy media company.
If we're going to make one of the biggest investments we've ever made in talent, which is what we were offering Crowder here, an amount of money that puts all of our investments at risk.
I mean, if it doesn't work, you're not going to be able to make that kid's entertainment content.
You're not going to be able to make that, those movies and TV shows.
You're not going to be able to continue to do things like sue the federal government to stop the vax mandate.
You're not going to be able to do things like deploy investigative journalists to Virginia where they uncover the Loudoun story that changes the course of a gubernatorial election.
All of that takes resources.
When you leverage $50, $60, $70, $100 million, you're taking an enormous risk.
This drama is, I just want to stay out of it, to be honest, because I would hate for someone to make a 52-minute long video about me talking about just rating, I don't know, something.
Okay, I get what you're saying, but I'll, so I'll move on.
However, however, I do want to, I, I do want to say that, uh, you know, realistically speaking, since, since Tim Poole, you know, even wrote on the comment that he's being correct, Tim Poole, right?
The Blaze try to sign Tim Poole.
I think Daily Wire might still be trying to, or tried to sign him as well.
A lot of people are trying to sign a lot of people.
The contracts are horrible.
I've never, I mean, with contracts, I've never heard anyone that's happy with their contract and things are always pretty screwed up.
But it's also a lot of money and they do secure you.
And I think that's one of the things that you can get mad at these companies for.
But like, one of the things I want to say this is like, you know, I'm grateful.
The Blaze, you know, had financed my life for years and the show and around him.
Now, this is nightly offensive.
This is my live stream.
And being independent, I'm figuring it all out from the ground up, right?
When I left, they took all my communications with my base and all of my advertisers and everything.
So I started with zero.
I left like a new channel.
All of my, and I wasn't allowed to produce for like a month for a while.
And I didn't even know if I was still allowed to produce.
So I had like ruined my algorithms, took away all of my connection with base, and I had no advertisers.
And it was like, okay, you start from the scratch.
So Steven, I get it.
I feel you.
I know what it's like to kind of just start with nothing again.
But also, critics are saying that Steven just did this to try to bring people to his website, which would be a good idea, actually.
It wouldn't be bad.
But I also have Steven's back because I know what it's like to sort of leave with nothing and have to kind of start over again.
And it's hard and it's difficult.
And I really hope he does well.
And I'm kind of excited to see where this goes.
And I hope it gets resolved Monday so we never have to talk about it again.
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Oh, Lord, please, God, have some intervention here, please.
But Dave asked me if I would share a little bit of his show.
Let me go to my DMs here real fast.
He asked if I would share a clip.
That's just Dave being retarded.
I do love this.
Let's see.
Here we go.
so why are we going to episode one why don't we just go to Dave Landau's um I do love Dave is very very funny guy where Dave just uploads so much stuff.