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April 1, 2022 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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'Fat Activists' Need to be CANCELED | Guests: John Doyle & L.D. | Ep 240

It’s 2022, and obesity is being normalized. It’s not only unhealthy, but it’s destroying women’s mental health, libido, and overall attractiveness. Men aren’t happy about it, women are clearly insecure, and instead of fixing the problem, we are trying to normalize obesity as “healthy.” It’s about time we call these fat activists out. John Doyle from “Heck Off Commie” and Laryngitis Dad (Elijah’s father) join the show to discuss how we can stop this obesity epidemic poisoning our nation’s ladies. ________________________________________________________________ ⇩ TODAY'S SPONSORS ⇩Show more NORTHWEST RETENTION: If you're looking for a high-quality holster for your firearms, trust the brand used by the Slightly Offens*ve team! Go to https://nwretention.com/ and enter promo code OFFENSIVE to get 10% off. MY PATRIOT SUPPLY: Now is the best time to prepare for the future. Check out the brand we love most for preparedness and emergency food supply at https://mypatriotsupply.com/. Right now you can save $50 on their 4-week emergency supply food kit that will stay fresh for up to 25 years! Don't wait!! SCOREMASTER: Scoremaster is introducing a new feature to help protect your personal information and privacy. Go to https://scoremaster.com/offense to add credit score points fast and to get your privacy back! ________________________________________________________________ ⇩ FOLLOW THE GUEST⇩ John Doyle YT: https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnDoyle WEBSITE: https://heckoffcommie.com/ INSTA: https://www.instagram.com/johndoyle.jpg/ John Schaffer EMAIL: [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ Become a subscriber at BlazeTV https://get.blazetv.com/slightly-offensive/ use my code "ELIJAH" to get $10 off a full year ________________________________________________________________ Slightly Offens*ve Merch: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/elijah-schaffer ________________________________________________________________ DOWNLOAD AUDIO PODCAST & GIVE A 5 STAR RATING!: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/slightly-offens-ve-uncut/id1450057169 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/7jbVobnHs7q8pSRCtPmC41?si=qnIgUqbySSGdJEngV-P5Bg (also available Google Podcasts & wherever else podcasts are streamed) ______________________________________________________________ ➤BOOKINGS/INQUIRIES: [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ ⇩ SOCIAL MEDIA ⇩ ➤ INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/slightlyoffensive.tv ➤ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer ➤ FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/officialslightlyoffensive _________________________________________________________________ The Idea Of A Free Society...For Kids! Head to https://teachrealprinciples.com for a unique book series that introduces the important ideas that schools no longer teach. Show less

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elijah schaffer
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unidentified
So it's really come to my attention that it's still not really normalized for a woman, a thick woman, to be sitting down while showing her stomach.
I'm just going to leave this here.
Look whoever needs it.
I know some days I do.
See, the thing is, I look like this.
And I know there's going to be a lot of like in the comments.
You know the drill.
But the thing is, I look like this and I still get dicked anytime I want, you know?
Baby girl.
You're doing okay.
I just, I just, I don't like fat people.
john doyle
I just, I can't get into a dancing vibe when I've got like fat whores telling me that I'm not allowed to call them fat whores on TikTok.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, and it's also what's really strange is that they always feel the need to not just struggle with weight, but to intentionally show it off.
And there's nothing really confident or attractive about being obese.
And anyone who is is probably a bit insecure about it.
And so it's like this overcompensation of like kind of like a guy who gets a truck and he gets like a big truck, those stereotypes of like, oh, he must be lacking somewhere else.
He's overcompensating.
We've come into a culture where instead of dealing with our insecurities and working with the problems, we just take the problems, push them literally in people's faces, and then call you a bigot and intolerant if you don't accept them.
unidentified
Well, let me give you guys a little perspective here, okay?
So pastor's perspective.
pastor john schaffer
To weight, when it comes to weight, I did learn from that one show that I did with you that yes, I didn't realize people were being proud of weight and that they were, you know, you can't put me down, which I totally understand, not putting people down, but meaning that, you know, weight is a good thing to be proud of.
But I will tell you that it also is, because obviously majority of Americans are overweight, including myself, but I was going to say that, you know, there is an idea of still being confident.
And I understand not saying we shouldn't work out or I'm okay not losing weight, but as far as just feeling confident in who you are, even if you are overweight is okay.
elijah schaffer
Because should she be confident?
Should that woman be confident about her gun?
Should she be confident, be honest?
john doyle
No, and I've said it many times.
I'll say it again.
There's nothing that produces within me a greater amount of just rage than women who have unearned confidence.
I just, it's a very dangerous thing to have in society.
pastor john schaffer
Yeah, but that's not based on weight, though.
elijah schaffer
You know, yes, but we will be able to do it.
john doyle
I think it's based on a lot of things.
But you made a really good point in the intro here, which is totally true in her case.
I mean, women should want to be beautiful.
Like women who are in touch with their feminine side will want to be beautiful.
And women like that who have no concept of that, whether it's because they don't like it because they're fat or they got fat because they didn't like it, she now has no concept of like what it means to like exist as a feminine woman.
And so what she's doing to try to like be attractive is look at what she knows she's attracted to, which is men.
And typically male characteristics that women find attractive are things like confidence.
And so she's trying to kind of project that onto herself and like embody what she knows is attractive, but in men onto herself because she doesn't want to act like a woman.
That's why she's like disgusting and she has a lot of makeup on.
She's very careful with her angles too.
elijah schaffer
And remember, she doesn't define the fact that she knows it's attractive.
She defines the fact that men are so desperate for sex that even if you're overweight, she said, I still get dicked though.
She didn't say I get respected.
She didn't say I have a boyfriend and I'm married and my husband loves me.
She was saying, yeah, guys will still have sex with me, which shows two things.
Number one, that I don't know how many drinks you would need to take to go there, but I will say that men have a really big problem in our society of not being able to control themselves and they have really low standards.
And number two, women do not respect themselves or their bodies by A, being obese and by B, saying, well, as long as I can still be treated like a whore, then I realize I still have value as if being a whore is like a positive, like, yeah, I still get dicked down.
That's not a positive positive.
pastor john schaffer
But I remember my grandfather telling me in an earlier generation that they liked ladies that were more overweight rather than thin because they were healthy.
unidentified
Thick, thick ladies is not going to great depression, though.
john doyle
If she looks thin, I mean, she's probably emaciated, right?
pastor john schaffer
Okay, but then also, okay, as a young lady, she has a very pretty face.
And so, you know, just that alone and the way that a girl dresses.
I'm sure she has a lot of stuff.
unidentified
I don't know.
john doyle
She's got makeup on.
Think about it.
elijah schaffer
Bending over.
Can we put that on the screen?
The pushing over.
It's this.
It's this.
john doyle
She's doing that to hide her chin fat.
That's why she's bending down to hide her chin fat.
elijah schaffer
And the side part is to cover the tubby cheeks.
john doyle
That is literally a psyop.
Everything in that video, the way her hair is done, the way her makeup is done, the angles, the lighting, the filters, all of that is done to trick the male brain into thinking that she's attractive.
But if you saw her in person, she wouldn't be.
That's what I don't like.
She says that, oh yeah, I still get dicked, though.
Like, dicks are not like dollar bills, right?
Like they, they're, it's different quality.
It's not like this universal thing that I'm collecting.
unidentified
I still get dicked down.
elijah schaffer
Like there are such a thing as unattractive men who have unaccompanied, they're unaccomplished and they're lazy.
So when you're talking about like fupa level, gunt level, top to bottom, you know, males, she's also saying this too.
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So this is pretty crazy.
And we're talking about this, and I'm going to be nice because we've changed a little bit of the direction of the show in terms of trying to actually understand problems.
This is the problem.
As you saw, you got educated on slightly offensive as we went when you were originally like, no, we don't want to mock people for being fat.
True.
This is the difference between bullying and honest and fair criticism.
They have made all criticism to be bullying.
If you speak the truth and it hurts someone's feelings, then it's bullying.
But in this case, criticism is saying, hey, I understand that it's hard to not be fat in today's culture because everything's telling you it's okay.
The food is high calorie, low nutritional value.
People have this narcissistic, immediate gratification, self-reward feedback loop that they're on, sugars and everything, and exercise.
Maybe you even live in a city where gyms are shut down and you have to wear a mask outside.
I get it.
But the answer to this then isn't saying, let's not point out the fact that this is unhealthy.
People are literally dying as we're going to talk about in the script.
And you should not say, fat is good because you can still get dicked down.
That is not the, that is not the solution to your morbid obesity.
john doyle
And that too kind of runs concurrently to like the general sexual perversion in society.
You know, I talk a lot about that on my channel and I get a lot of feedback from leftists who are particularly dysgenic.
You know, I've been like disagreed with by people, but the people who always come after me, you've noticed that they're always like much.
elijah schaffer
They have a certain look.
john doyle
They're uglier than me every single time.
And they always make fun of me.
Like, John Doyle is an incel because he doesn't think that hookup culture is good and he just needs to get laid.
And it's like, you think that you're winning?
Like you go out to some bar with me and like some girl's going to come up to me and just be like, hey, who's your friend Vosh over there?
Like this big fat, disgusting guy.
And it's like, they think that they're winning because they're having sex, but because they look like that, it's with like ugly girls, fat girls.
And it's like, you're not winning.
And it can't be because you think she's hot because she's not.
So it has to be just because you are so addicted to touching your own pee-pee or putting it inside of things that you're willing to lower yourself to that standard like the girl in the ticket.
pastor john schaffer
Okay, but when you're thin, and you guys are, you know, I know you have to watch your weight, Elijah, but you guys are fairly thin.
But, okay, fairly thin.
Okay, listen.
elijah schaffer
Fairly thin, John.
I'd say John's a pretty pee.
pastor john schaffer
But some guys do like a woman with a little weight on her.
And when I was actually praying about your mom and who I'd marry, one of my prerequisites was that I would have somebody with a little bit of weight on them.
And there was particular reasons for that.
But I like that.
Now, I understand there can be too much weight, but I noticed that the young lady was sitting down and we all look much more bulgy and big when we're sitting down rather than when we're standing up.
And of course, clothes can make people look a lot better.
elijah schaffer
I would say this, okay, which is, I understand, but this is where she goes and she knows that it's not only wrong to be that fat, not just spiritually, but also morally wrong as a society.
john doyle
It's a crime against nature.
elijah schaffer
Yes, it's a crime against your body.
She sits there and goes, I'm going to show this.
And she has to start it out with a way that she knows she can't show it first because she knows that she has to capture you with her face first to be like, okay, she could be decent looking because of the angle and everything.
So like, it's her, I'm not even saying she's decent looking.
I'm saying that's her maximum beauty is hiding her weaknesses.
Her biggest downside, other than her personality and her devaluation of herself, and obviously the idea that she thinks being a whore is somehow validating of her obesity is when she sits back and then goes, let the comments go, aka, I know this is not accepted, but also, just so you know, even though this is disgusting and you can be disgusting, you can still be a whore and therefore it doesn't matter because you can be a disgusting whore.
And that's what's being told the women today.
Be ugly, disgusting whores.
And I say, done with that.
pastor john schaffer
Yeah, none of those.
unidentified
Get out.
pastor john schaffer
Right.
That shouldn't be promoted.
unidentified
Leave.
pastor john schaffer
Absolutely.
I understand that.
But I guess I, because it's the first time I saw it along with everybody else who saw it.
elijah schaffer
So to be honest, I haven't seen anything in the script.
pastor john schaffer
Okay, okay, great.
elijah schaffer
So I wanted to write a script.
I've never seen it.
pastor john schaffer
It's the first time I saw it.
So we're all kind of having our opinions on that video.
But I would say that I didn't catch it.
Well, she was trying to show who she was and that she was overweight.
She was trying to show, but I didn't catch that she was one of those video girls that's saying that overweight is completely okay.
Like I can't picture her whole life.
She's never going to kind of go up and down and try to lose weight and not lose weight.
unidentified
Her gut looks like Bob the Great.
elijah schaffer
That's disrespectful.
unidentified
I don't know that you would be saying that, but she got Totaro physique.
Yeah.
pastor john schaffer
Right.
john doyle
Literally.
pastor john schaffer
Okay.
But did she, was she promoting that particular belief?
elijah schaffer
Yes.
She literally is saying, hey, look, don't judge my weight because I'm a whore.
john doyle
Yeah, it was like, don't judge me because this bad thing, you'll never guess what else I do.
This other bad thing, yeah.
elijah schaffer
It's like, it's like, oh, and that's a weird indicator.
Like, people think that being like getting disgusting fat dudes to have sex with you as a woman brings value.
And I'm like, it's like, it's a girl being like, hey, you know, he won't like me.
Like, I have a crush on John Doyle, and John Doyle won't like me because I'm fat.
And then the girl's like, no, girlfriend.
They used to say, you're beautiful.
You can get anyone you want.
And now they just go, you know what?
Why don't you just tell them?
I might be fat, but I'm also a whore.
John, what's your answer to that?
john doyle
I don't know if I can say it on camera.
elijah schaffer
We can censor it if you need to.
It's a pre-recorded show.
john doyle
You know, I often think about the medieval times, how girls would walk around and they would just make some little comment at the butcher shop or at the blacksmith stand.
They would just make some little comment about like, oh, what if magic were real?
And then all of a sudden, people would get together and just like light them on fire.
And they kind of had an understanding of how evil, you know, it really is a fire that has to be contained.
And once it starts to spread, it's difficult to put it out.
unidentified
I think about that a lot.
Right.
pastor john schaffer
Okay.
So I'm not like playing there on this show thing.
elijah schaffer
No, but you can be exactly where you are.
That's what the show is about.
pastor john schaffer
Okay, where you are.
So I'm not completely crushed on her.
But I did understand that she wasn't absolutely putting some morals for her life and respect of men into her life on the whole thing.
She was just basically saying, I can get anybody I want.
And I understand that there's a lot more to life.
And she needs a dad that will sit her down and go, Hey, honey, you know.
john doyle
What's her name?
pastor john schaffer
And I'm going to tell you something.
This is what Maury, your mom's dad told her.
Because when mom would go up and down and weight and she would, you know, exercise and lose weight, but her dad at one point said, honey, you know, you're a beautiful girl and you really need to lose weight.
And that was after, you know, a few babies.
And her dad spoke up.
And there's something like, and mom respected her dad.
There's something about a dad just kind of talking to the daughter.
And I don't know, maybe she has a dad that said something, but she disregarded it.
But she needs a dad.
elijah schaffer
Well, her name is Kayla Zulik.
Kayla Zulu.
She should be like, what is Kayla doing?
john doyle
She should be like the Murray show just because your dad obviously has a crush on her.
Just like, you'll never guess who we brought.
And then she walks in and she's here and everything.
elijah schaffer
Are you going to take that?
He's saying you have a crush on her.
john doyle
You don't not have a crush on her.
Look at the smile.
pastor john schaffer
No, I just said I can tell what pretty is.
john doyle
But anyway, well, you can tell by her bone structure, the way she's a younger girl.
elijah schaffer
I mean, she's like, you're clearly in her mid-20s or like early 20s or whatever.
And they say women peak at 23.
And isn't that sad?
What if that's your peak?
What if you're a girl and that was your peak?
Like you, your peak formative years, that's what you're using on.
And that's the difference.
If she was like older or something and had some struggles, whatever, you get it.
The years have been tough.
People die.
People have addictions.
There are vices, et cetera.
And people's bodies don't really keep up all the time.
But you're in your peak.
You should be hot, man.
Like, this is the key thing.
Your struggle should be being like girls today should fight against being hot whores, not ugly whores.
pastor john schaffer
Here's the thing.
elijah schaffer
Like, at least be hot and don't be a whore.
Don't be ugly and a whore because you have the worst of both worlds.
john doyle
That's like, okay.
What is a virtuous woman is whether she's going to use her natural beauty to like leverage in a way that's going to get her, you know, in a good position or a bad position.
Like that's the whole opinion.
elijah schaffer
She's getting into sex position.
pastor john schaffer
Now, I can't say she totally doesn't care about her weight, but if she didn't, and like you said, she's being young, she doesn't.
If she gets into her 30s and her 40s and then diabetes comes along, she might look back and go, gosh, maybe I should have taken that more seriously.
john doyle
And you can tell by her bone structure that she does have like a naturally pretty face that just so happens to have like, you know, some swelling going on.
A lot of girls don't have that.
They'll get fat and they sort of lose all like facial shape and they just become like a circle and you can't really tell.
So she's in a position where if she just lost like that weight, she would be very like pretty, but she's refusing not right or she's refusing to do that.
And do you?
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
Can we go to let's play video number two?
Because they're saying that basically us having this discussion and genuinely trying to understand these things.
That's why I brought you on.
You and John, you're much older and you've had more wisdom and time and John's John has autism.
john doyle
Brand new.
So I've never had an experience of the woman I've never kissed her.
pastor john schaffer
Yes, I'm sure undiagnosed, John.
unidentified
No, no, well, what I just said undiagnosed.
elijah schaffer
You just said we're not talking about his medical records on the air.
john doyle
Yeah, that's very personal.
elijah schaffer
You got a pastor's perspective.
You got John Doyle's perspective.
You got the Catholic religious trad boy, and then you have the Protestant pastor who's been around for decades and has been married and cares about people in the nation.
unidentified
Right, yeah, exactly.
elijah schaffer
You've been around.
So we have a good juxtaposition.
But then again, we come out and have a genuine conversation about this idea and we get the bouncing off each other.
But of course, society, like you said, there's a difference between a girl who struggles with her weight, who has potential, versus the lost cause.
Let's go ahead and play video number two.
unidentified
Every year, fat phobia becomes less and less acceptable.
So in about 10 or 15 years, I don't want to see y'all pretending like you didn't enjoy and engage in fat phobic content.
elijah schaffer
Okay, so the premise of this is this is what we would call a s'more.
This is the marshmallow that ends up getting stuck between the graham crackers.
This is a Michelin man look.
There is a problem within our society of not a people who struggle with weight.
The other girl had like a gun.
This is super deadly, morbidly obese.
You are a ticking time bomb of cardiovascular disease.
I am telling you this genuinely.
Your blood has become jello.
You are thickened and cholesterol has become a part of your identity.
And it's to the point to where she's saying, and people know this, fat people, as we've talked about on last shows, are actually complaining.
This is so crazy.
In the last shows, there's now articles of people complaining that they lost the weight, that they bought into fat phobia, got healthy, and here's their complaint.
Are you ready for this?
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Guys started paying attention to them.
They started getting raises and moving up in the office.
They started getting looks on the street from men or even the same sex, I guess if they're gay, and they were having more sex because they're promiscuous or they just got into a relationship and they're mad because they're saying it's fat phobia that this is further proof.
This is on BuzzFeed that people are fat phobia because it took them losing weight for guys to like them, which is crazy.
That I would say fat phobia is not only real, it's good.
Why would you, like, just like men, they go, why do all the porn stores have blonde hair?
And there's science behind that about the amount of hair on a woman.
Or why do guys like big boobs?
It's because of like their subconscious things, not just sexually, but about nurturing, et cetera.
Why are women attracted to men that have money and power?
There's that caretaker.
So why are we not attracted to fat chicks?
It's because you look like you're going to die.
You don't seem like you could provide, I mean, take care of my children.
And why would I want you to be the example to my kids when you look like you're pregnant with eight children when you haven't even had one?
pastor john schaffer
Well, you know, facial features pop out when a person loses weight because sometimes this nose gets bigger and the cheeks get bigger and everything.
And you're like, okay, that person's, you know, probably nice looking or pretty or whatever.
But if they lost some weight, you might be able to, you know, see more of who they are.
And even though we know some people from childhood and everything, you know, or have grown up with some weight.
And for me, not putting down anybody with weight, but just talking about the subject of weight is, you know, that I think that because we look at outward beauty and we're attracted to outward beauty, when you see facial features that you're attracted to, but they can be hidden with weight because, you know, the weight does puff it out.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but I was going to say, the weird thing is they always talk about the fact that we have this problem with fat phobia.
I would say we are a fat accepting society.
I'd say, in fact, we are literally a fat society where it is not the norm to be in shape.
In fact, you are weird almost if you are.
Like it's actually the minority of people that actually care about their weight in their body.
john doyle
Yeah.
And I think that fitness is good, but this whole gym culture did not exist like 60 years ago.
I mean, I think the guy who invented the bench press invented it within like my dad's lifetime or something, my grandpa's lifetime at least.
And it's like, that is good, but that is a result of everyone realizing, like, wait a minute, this is what the human body looks like when it's at its worst.
Well, I wonder what it could look like when it's at its best because you had, you know, all the food science on like cholesterol and butter and things like that is like junk, absolute junk.
And so they literally decided, like the FDA, that we should tell people that they need to be eating less meat and less eggs and less dairy, all the stuff that their ancestors were eating.
They need to be eating more grains.
And so the food pyramid told people that they need like, what, seven to 11 servings of pasta a day.
unidentified
And so now a loaf of bread, a loaf of bread.
elijah schaffer
Even when I was a kid, like mom would do like white bread with gravy on top.
Like we just thought we were doing it.
We're like, yeah.
I mean, that's also good.
john doyle
So now everybody's fat.
And this has accelerated so rapidly within the last 30 years.
Look at The Simpsons.
That show came out in like, what, 1988, 1989?
Homer Simpson was comically fat.
That was the punchline of that show.
This big fat dad.
And his body type is like average now.
Or even like Peter Griffin, which that comes out 20 years later, he's an even bigger fat guy.
So it's made to reflect whatever is comically fat at that time.
And it's like, I don't even know what it would be now.
I mean, these people are huge now.
And it's like, that's what's at the extreme end.
elijah schaffer
So the average just keeps shifting towards people just being fatter and have you seen like even like the Goonies, for instance.
You had the, what was it called?
The truffle shuffle, I think it was called.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
So he was like the fat kid.
And if you look at an average TikTok at a junior high, I remember thinking this because this is even past my generation.
Junior high is an interesting time because it's actually one of the few times that people who end up being really skinny, not skinny, but actually fit guys do specifically end up getting chunky when they're in like fifth, sixth grade, seventh grade.
john doyle
I have the best picture.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah, so we'll bring it up.
If you can DM it to me on Twitter, I can bring it up on my screen.
But it's like, do you know that there's this weight gain?
Cause you're like, you almost see like a kid that was skinny, gets chunky.
You go, that kid's going to be tall because you do need to get a little bit of weight on your body if you're going to grow or you have terrible stretch marks.
And there's, it sucks.
I have friends who are tall that didn't get chunky and they have like the worst stretch marks on their back and stuff.
And it's part of it.
Just like girls who don't have a little weight before their breasts grow.
They end up getting really big stretch marks on the side because your body knows put on a little weight, stored a little bit, we're going to grow.
But the problem is, is that now people are never growing out of that.
And I looked at it, I've watched videos that junior hires make before on TikTok and like dancing and stuff at their school.
And in this crowd, everybody is fat and there's like no white kids and any of these schools.
And I just thought it's like nobody's Caucasian and they're all obese.
And I, it's shocking.
pastor john schaffer
So the main thing here is health.
Okay.
It's not even if a person's having some weight on them, but are they, are they exercising and are they healthy?
Because we don't want some, we don't want it where somebody is super obese, okay?
Because obviously they're going to be unhealthy later on.
So the whole idea of exercising is the good thing here.
And so we want to promote that.
We want to encourage people to exercise.
We don't want to just, you know, have a culture where we're just sitting behind a computer just doing our thing and, you know, eating some food and, you know, some chips and getting fat.
So, so definitely, I do believe along with you guys that, you know, we should promote exercise and promote health for sure.
elijah schaffer
Who is this?
Can we go to my screen here?
Who is this?
I don't know if we can go to there.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Who is that?
unidentified
So what are we looking at?
elijah schaffer
What are we looking at?
john doyle
We are looking at me when I was 12 and husky, 13 and husky.
elijah schaffer
Which one's you?
On the left?
Okay, so you're on the side of the spices.
john doyle
Yep, yep, yep.
That was me and my little cousin.
We were, I think, at like Zapzone Laser Tag or something, just downing some like icy is just disgusting, just sugar syrup.
And I think we're playing laser tag.
I'm, of course, wearing my Degeneration X t-shirt.
I was in my WWE phase at the time.
Oh, yeah.
elijah schaffer
Is there, is your, and is your husky cousin still husky or no?
john doyle
Uh, yeah.
Well, actually, he got skinny and it freaked me out because his whole life he's been husky.
And then I saw him recently when I went home and he was like skinny.
And this just like doesn't look right to me.
elijah schaffer
We don't even, but we don't even use the phrase husky anymore.
And that's what you do.
Again, so Husky was like, okay, this is a guy.
john doyle
This kid's chubby, but the mom doesn't want to hurt his feelings.
Sweetheart, you're husky.
Your jeans are husky.
elijah schaffer
It was just like, but husky was this middle ground between being fat and being the right weight, where it was like, you're just at that point where you're like a little too big for the boys' sizes.
So we got to make the husky plus.
And also, too, but like, we're not worried because we think you can get over this phase.
It might be a phase, and we don't want to psyop you into thinking you're a fat kid.
So we'll call you a little husky.
john doyle
No, that's literally what happened.
elijah schaffer
What happened to Husky?
pastor john schaffer
We're going to talk about that.
But here's the thought.
Okay, you've got this thing on here with him now when he was a kid.
And I know that you had the X-ray as a kid.
And I know you're showing.
And I know you're showing these girls on there that are promoting just being big.
elijah schaffer
Okay, two poppies.
pastor john schaffer
Can I take it off the screen for a second while he's talking so I can grab a button are there men that are promoting that same belief that it's good to be overweight?
john doyle
It tends to be a more feminine thing with women that do it, but I'm sure that men do do it.
But I think it happens because I think women know fundamentally that like their value is basically derived from how people perceive them.
Whereas men just like create things and then we're like, this is cool.
And people are like, oh yeah, that is cool.
So when they're doing that to promote themselves, like things that they know are unhealthy, it's because they know what it's going to take for people to like them.
So they have to, instead of adjusting into that, sort of reverse what they perceive to be the social trends and try to make that work in their favor, I think.
pastor john schaffer
And the reason I don't know that is because I really don't follow all these social media things.
elijah schaffer
The men is about being, it's not about weight.
It's about being weak.
It's okay to be weak.
john doyle
It's Harvey Weinstein.
That guy's the most fat, disgusting guy ever.
But he had all these actresses who are willing to sleep with them or him when it was advantageous for their career.
Then it becomes more advantageous for their career to speak out against it, even though they already got their Oscars, already got their big roles and their millions of dollars.
And then they're like, oh, we have a big problem with it.
He harassed us.
And it's like, no, women have been sleeping with disgusting fat men since the beginning of time.
But only now, because everything is so backwards, is the trend starting to reverse because we've artificially elevated women on this pedestal.
And so men are desperate.
They're unconfident.
Now that girl that we saw earlier is like more active than probably the average American man, which maybe is a good thing because we maybe shouldn't be promoting those behaviors anyway, but it's just a weird trend to see.
elijah schaffer
No, it is.
I think I might have found it actually.
Give me a second here to zoom in here.
john doyle
Husky, Elijah.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, this is me.
This is what is going on here.
Okay, I guess we'll just have to do it like, let me just save this image and I guess we'll just open it up.
Can we open this up in a new tab?
I don't even know if we can.
Oh, yeah, here we go.
I think I figured out how to do this.
Okay, you can go to my screen.
There you go.
There he is.
There's Husky.
There he is.
pastor john schaffer
There he is.
unidentified
Wow.
elijah schaffer
Wow.
pastor john schaffer
Now, who's the baby in your arms?
elijah schaffer
That's Andrew.
That's my cousin Andrew.
unidentified
Wow.
elijah schaffer
Are you all right, John?
I mean, wow, can you go to John's camera?
He's tearing up over this.
It's just one struggle.
john doyle
You know, we've all been there.
elijah schaffer
Husky boys, unite.
Husky boys, unite.
It's true, though.
I mean, that's like, that's right before I grew tall.
I was really short.
And that's actually right before I grew up into a real boy.
But here's the crazy thing, though.
And this is what's crazy: is that instead of talking about the weight thing, we are now adjusting.
If you can go to my screen, GT, this is page six.
Lizzo, who is notorious for talking about obesity and promoting it, is launching a no-shame shapewear line called Yiddy.
This is so important.
So Lizzo wants you to celebrate curves, it says.
Okay, so celebrating curves.
Now, when you look at this, this is athletic shapewear.
And what's crazy is, as John points out, one thing that we've focused on in culture that was never the thing is this idea of butts, of big butts.
Now, every guy loves a nice butt to grab.
Even girls like to have a nice butt.
Even if they're not showing off in yoga pants, people like to feel confident.
Nobody wants to have a bad body.
And if you're lifting weights as a guy, you might even want to have a nice, you know, firm, like lower legs and everything.
You might want to have a nice shape.
But what we're seeing is that they're going from a nice, firm, round, tight butt to this idea of get the butt as massive as possible, which is the psyop because A, it is not native to Caucasian culture, which is normalizing different sexual proclivities and different fetishes that are not natural to the Western world.
And B, it is trying to open up the door for obesity because they're saying, well, you're fat and you might be ugly, but you're curvy and your butt is massive.
Saying if you can go to the screen here, there is a massive difference between the black girl on the left and the girl next to her.
The black girl on the left is a fit girl who has a tight butt that would be considered a big butt.
The one on the right is a hippopotamus.
And if you are in the rivers or the lakes of Africa and that comes near you, run because you might be seeing your last day.
But that's what they go.
Well, I'm hot because my butt's freaking massive.
That is a fat death signal.
That is a cavern.
That is the grand canyon between those heifer things.
pastor john schaffer
Let me just tell you something real fast.
I was told by somebody that works with Elijah that this was going to be about wealth today.
Usually I don't hear of any topic, but so I didn't know that we're going to be talking on the subject.
john doyle
Look at him blushing.
pastor john schaffer
So even on wealth, you know what I mean?
unidentified
I have no idea what I would say, but this is interesting.
elijah schaffer
I didn't write, I literally didn't write this.
And we have a new PA.
He's amazing, Josiah Moody.
And he's like, he's really the writer.
And so he's, he, this is his, he really wanted to write today's show.
unidentified
Talk about butts.
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
And so, of course, we ought to ask ourselves the question.
Why did he want to put up pictures of big fat butts?
No, if you would answer the question.
john doyle
No, but it's not your fault.
elijah schaffer
It's his.
pastor john schaffer
Is this the whole show?
elijah schaffer
No, we have a, we're going, we're about to, we're about to transition into Rubber.
john doyle
He's uncomfortable.
elijah schaffer
Can we go to the, can we go to the other?
I'm going to read this to you.
Growing up, she added, I felt that I was constantly being told through TV and magazines that my body wasn't good enough.
And in order to be considered acceptable, I had to inflict some sort of pain upon it to fit into an archetype of beauty.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
I'm going to repeat that.
I had to inflict some sort of pain upon it to fit into an archetype of beauty.
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So here's the point.
Is that she says limiting the excessive amount of food in the article and trying to exercise is the archetype of inflicting pain.
And I want you to take a moment to realize that she's not saying to not get fat and not be obese and to take care of your health is pain and not in the positive sense of like ripping your muscles and growing or like, you know, the idea of having to get used to eating less food and the idea of like feeling a little hungry and shrinking your stomach.
pastor john schaffer
No pain, no gain.
elijah schaffer
Yes, no pain, no gain.
We are in a society.
This is not just about obesity, obesity.
That's why you go, well, I know people that struggle with weight.
Many do.
Many such cases, John, many such cases.
But people saying that life should be easy and that obesity is good because why should I do anything that would hurt me?
Why should I discipline myself?
And we're losing a value, an actual moral value, a pillar in our culture that applies to so many avenues of sex, of beauty, of faith, of respect, of honor, of politics.
I mean, we are losing the fundamental understanding that sometimes you must sacrifice and you must suffer.
And what's crazy is we can't suffer in losing weight.
We can't suffer in going to the gym, but we can suffer just putting on a mask.
Just suffer for a little while longer.
Just shut down your business.
We can suffer where the government tells us we should suffer, but in the areas that would actually benefit us that aren't just bullshit, we're supposed to just let ourselves go and be depressed.
pastor john schaffer
Being easier is losing because discipline and suffering, you know, and obviously some suffering just comes to you, but it can bring about good, you know, peaceable fruit of righteousness.
So it develops us, it develops character.
And I would say that, yes, if you have to put a lot of hard work into something and who likes hard work, especially after you've worked all day or whatever.
But I would say definitely, we definitely need to not have life just be easy because like right now, my life is a little bit easier.
I'm coming out to see you guys, you know, some of my kids once a month.
I'm changing my pace a bit, but I was just reading a devotion that was reminding me that, you know, even during these certain years of my life, you know, I'm not really winding down.
I just have to find the new things that the Lord wants me to do.
And that isn't just life being easy, but, you know, you still have your gifts.
You still have your calling.
And of course, I'm still staying put in California too.
And but that, you know, it's not all about life being easy.
john doyle
Yeah, she's making a really great case there for Misery Loves Company as like a reality because she's saying that physical discomfort is something to not be aspired to, which implies that like pleasure is like the ultimate end in life, which of course is hedonism, which just breeds despair.
Like these people can only conceptualize life as a checklist because they don't know God.
And I think that's where the anxiety comes from.
They being afraid of death, which is why nobody believes in anything anymore.
Because if you don't view like life as something that actually has meaning, you're here for a reason, you're made in God's image, all you can really view life is as the sort of economic struggle between, you know, the finite amount of time you have and then the infinite potential of like whatever checklist you have.
So these people are like, oh, I just have so many things I want to do.
I just, I want to go and do this.
And then I can't have kids and I can't go to church.
It's me, me, me, and God rules.
And it's like, that just ends up being hedonism.
And, you know, these people are never actually that interesting.
Like all the people I know who just can't have kids because they just have too many things they have to do or they're not religious because, well, those rules are just too Puritan.
These people just more or less just exist in a way that pursues different avenues of self-destruction.
Like they're all participating in sloth, greed, every vice that you can think of.
And it's like that woman too.
I mean, she is sloth.
She is gluttony.
She is disgusting.
And she's trying to normalize that throughout society.
unidentified
Right.
pastor john schaffer
And sometimes, though, the idea of not having kids is because, well, we're trying to get our lives going.
We're trying to build this career or this business or whatever.
And I understand that we can get so caught up in our own life and we think having kids is a distraction and a weight and all of that.
And so definitely that's hurting things because obviously it can bring a couple together.
You see a side of each other as far as running the family corporation and loving kids.
And it brings things, sacrificial things out in you that are awesome.
But definitely, you know, when it comes to, as you're saying, just all about me, you know, in society, I think that, you know, we have people in our own family that I want them to have kids, but I do understand they have good, reasonable ideas why they shouldn't have kids.
But then there's got to be someone who's not going to be able to get away with that.
john doyle
There's something deeply off-putting about people who don't want kids to me.
I don't quite know what it is.
And maybe if I tried to figure it out, that'd just be a rationalization.
But I think it's so selfish.
And they'll say, what do you mean it's selfish?
How is it selfish to just want to use my life for me?
And it's like this life was a gift, whether it's from an evolutionary perspective from thousands of generations of people who all made sacrifices that you could be here.
And you're saying, well, what I want to do is too much to carry the torch.
Or from a religious perspective, God calls us to be fruitful and multiply, not be fruity and blow a guy.
And so, you know, like these people are saying they don't want to be involved in that.
pastor john schaffer
And that changes over time, too.
Like, meaning this year, you can be saying no kids, but in a couple of years, you're saying, maybe we'll have some kids because people do change their minds.
And of course, that's what you're hoping.
elijah schaffer
Well, and what is what is, I do want to ask this, though, but why has this become, John, so, well, I guess we have the two Johns in the room.
Why has this become so mainstream so quickly?
Do you think it's related to a spiritual aspect of moving away from God and the value of self-control, of discipline, of a sound mind, being that we all do struggle with the fruits of the spirit, some with more than others?
I myself probably struggling with all of them to some degree at any given point in my life.
But I mean, knowing that through the fruit of the spirit, the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
And it's kind of like at the end, this idea that it is not in our nature to control oneself.
The Proverbs even says that like, basically, a man who can control his own self is like greater than somebody, you know, who like can actually defend a whole city.
And it's like a man without self-control is like a city without walls, you know?
I mean, and it's actually almost relegates to the fact that it can be harder for a man to actually just control his own proclivities, impulses, sexual desires than to fight in a war and do mighty things.
Because it's like, yeah, that's doing mighty things is also in your nature.
And so is, and so is, you know, sleeping around.
And so it's actually genuinely hard.
And I know this from experience, it's genuinely hard.
So why is it so mainstream now to just go, let's just throw off virtue?
pastor john schaffer
Because people have their own opinions and they value their own opinion as if it's gospel, as if it's truth and right, because they've come to their own conclusions.
The truth is the Bible does say to lean not on your own understanding, but all your ways acknowledge him and he'll direct your path.
And so the thing there is, even in my own life recently, I feel like the Lord is telling me to trust him.
Like I have to relearn what trusting God is again because I've just been leaning on myself and figuring things out.
And God's going, no, let me just, in my time, help you figure it out.
And so I know that we can easily be off in our lives and the Lord has to get us back on track.
And that's the way it is with a lot of believers and just a lot of people is you're off and then you're on track.
You're off.
You realign yourself.
You're off.
You get a good word and it puts you in a better position.
And then, you know, hopefully you can stay on track for a long time.
elijah schaffer
And you fumble, but you fumble badly, meaning it's not just obesity with the deadly sins and whatnot.
You can, from sex sins to, you know, sins of even like abandoning God in your own mind and becoming self-loathing, this idea of giving up, you know, hope, these things that can actually be internalized.
Also, the sins of just things you're not doing, you know, not committing your life to God, not giving your money to God, these kinds of things.
We all struggle to some extent in one or many of these areas.
And so I'm just saying, like, it is interesting, though, that it's no longer a struggle, but it is now the culture.
Like it has now become the mainstream to be immoral.
Like it is not, and it is, it is promoted.
Immorality is not a struggle, which I can get on board with.
You struggle with being obese?
I get it.
That's totally fine.
I got my own struggles and I've gained and lost weight many times in my life.
I'm with you, Sister Lizzo.
What's up, girl?
She a fat black girl.
She ain't no man to complete her.
I get it, but it's become mainstream.
Why is it that this is promoted?
john doyle
Well, of course, I mean, that's exactly what you would expect.
You know, if you had a spaceship and you went to a planet of people and you were, you know, intercepted some sort of transmission that sort of gave you a brief on that culture on the planet and you were told it was a culture of people who promote and celebrate the genocide of the unborn.
They openly discuss infant sexuality and doing sexual things with minors.
And they do all these very just evil things we know are evil.
You would probably more or less expect those people to just be these really fat, disgusting little apparatuses.
And it's like, that's what it is because evil can only propagate when there are not strong people wielding good to suppress it.
So we have become a weak country.
And what is weakness if not lack of control?
You know, whether you can't control like a weight because you're too weak to move it or you can't even control yourself.
So yeah, you're going to overeat.
You're going to become this fat little pig thing.
And then all you're going to be thinking about is like how many, as that girl says, like dicks you can get in you to like somehow validate your existence, but you're not even like a real person.
pastor john schaffer
You're just like, see, our sin nature is easily stirred.
And we all know that because it doesn't matter who's alive.
Your sin nature, that lower base part of you that wants to do what it wants to do and how it wants to do it and when it wants to do it.
And that rebellious part of us has its thing that goes against, as you mentioned, the fruit, the love, the joy, the peace, you know, loving people, having a peaceful heart and goodness in your life and all of those good fruits of character.
And so there are things in us that there's a contrariness and a war within us against ourselves and against that which is good.
But then when you have a society that says, but this is all okay, this is all legal.
This is all culturally good.
And so everything that we used to call bad, everything that we used to call deviant, everything we used to call off or something, you know, that those things are now like, well, you know, who says it's really bad?
There's no God and the Bible isn't true.
And, you know, it's not the inspired word of God.
And so as the devil is whispering those things, as people are saying those things and believing those things, then yes, then we become our own gods unto ourselves.
We do whatever we think is right, whatever we want to do, whatever feels good.
Whereas we, those that happen to be believers, when you do those things, you actually do feel bad about something if it is genuinely immoral or wrong.
And you feel a conviction or you feel guilt and you seek after forgiveness.
But whereas the world, they're just saying, hey, I feel comfortable in my own skin.
I'll do whatever I want to do.
I don't care what you think.
Everybody's doing what is right in their own eyes.
And that's a problem.
And so there is such a clash now against those that believe in God and certain things that are truth and morals.
And then those that say, everything's okay.
Just be who you are.
Do whatever you want.
And boom.
I mean, and of course, there's majority is the world.
And then the majority, maybe, maybe not the majority of believers, but we'll say many believers are also, you know, go along with the world.
So therefore, it leaves a small minority of people that would stand up for something in their heart and just go, well, wait, wait, I really believe that this is right and this is wrong.
elijah schaffer
Hashtag grower.
We have the grower gang, which we're a part of, and we've been in the Telegram chat, which, by the way, we're continually cleaning up.
We got some mods going in there.
And it's a little more stressful than you understand trying to moderate these things.
And, you know, people have been posting a lot of videos, people pooping in people's mouths and blowing people's heads off and stuff.
And it's not exactly things you want in your brand.
And so we're cleaning it all up.
And the memes will be back soon.
But that being said, I had an epiphany.
If you go to my screen, GT, this literally said, so why it's not always bad to be bullied?
Learning to fight back helps children mature, says study.
Now, if you notice something interesting, this article is from 2010.
Now, 2010, ironically, it was the first year I had ever heard about bullying in a school.
I was in a public school during 2010.
I didn't know about that this was a thing.
And this is when Michelle Obama and them started talking about we need to stop bullying.
And there was the first ever seminar.
We've talked about that, like some buff guy being like, I was skinny when I was younger and now I kill Muslims overseas.
You too can become strong if you overcome bullying.
There was this old message of like overcoming bullying and becoming stronger.
Then it turned of like we need to avoid bullying.
Now, we all knew this where this was headed.
I think I even knew that young, this seems kind of odd because I experienced real bullying.
And real bullying was like a kid broke my leg or like people tore down all my posters when I was running for ASB and ripped them up and put them in the trash can.
That's like illegal.
It's like destruction of property.
That's that's bullying.
But fair criticism, kids being, you know, don't be gay and this and that and like kind of pushing each other, you know, like that, those teasing with guys to be more masculine.
And this is fair criticism, fair criticism.
But look at this.
This sounds so foreign.
This is from 2010.
And then this is going to maybe blow your mind if you're listening to this because you know you went through this too.
It says here in the case for bullying that although researchers accept that bullying can be damaging to children, it's 12 years ago, leading to depression and anxiety, those who are not afraid to stand up for themselves can benefit from being picked on.
Mutual dislike can help students develop healthy social and emotional skills and can sometimes have a bigger impact on their development than friendships, the researchers claim.
In a study of American children aged 11 and 12, very formative years, it's during junior high, never want to go back to those years.
It's the worst time of life, junior high.
Shout out to junior hires for struggling through those years.
Researchers from the University of California, Los Angeles compared those who stood up to aggressors with those who did not.
Children who returned hostility with hostility appeared to be the most mature, the researchers found.
But those who stood up to bullies on the schoolyard enemies were judged more socially competent by their teachers even.
Psychologist Melissa Whitkow, who is now at William University in Oregon, said the study backs up research from academic Helene Goldberg, child development expert at Open University, who said teachers should not protect pupils from playground spats as they can help them handle difficult events in the future.
And before we even discuss that, in college, if you don't remember that they have this idea of a 10-year rule on research when you're writing papers, that you're not supposed to include any sort of periodicals, opinion pieces, or news articles as further support for your research that are older than 10 years ago.
And I never understood that because I would find excellent research from the 90s on things that were very important, that understood the importance of faith, and it would get rejected because it was like, this is from 96.
And there's no way anyone in 96 could have any information about faith and religion because everyone knows progress.
We're just getting smarter and we know so much.
And just like kids can't trust their parents, we can't trust researchers from 10 years ago, that something was set up in universities that this study with these true studies done by some, you know, Semitic researchers would have actually been, you know, this is a very interesting thing.
This is a clearly like religious people even involved in this.
It says that bullying has shows that bullying is harmful when people don't stand up, but that's not bringing the proclivity of the other side of like, if you do stand up, it actually can be beneficial both in your respect and in your development.
But we could not use this research anymore.
And now in 2022, you could only use research after the campaigns against bullying started, which means that in colleges, you have no legal or academic foundation to defend the fact that kids bullying can be very good for kids.
pastor john schaffer
There's a lot of wisdom that comes from the past, for sure.
I mean, the Bible, you know, then you can't use the Bible, right?
A lot of wisdom from the past and 12 years ago, whatever, great wisdom.
And the idea of fighting back, hey, that's what your show is kind of about, right?
And some of the crowd that watches a lot of these things, it's about, hey, you know, there's something worth taking a stand for.
There's something worth just going, this is wrong.
Things are going crazy.
We need to speak up.
We need to say something.
Because if we don't, you know, if good men don't stand up and they do nothing, right?
Then all hell and evil breaks loose.
And so, and I, and I believe that we're not just to be the, you know, old men sitting on our rocking chair, you know, with our pipe or our cigar, just talking about it all.
I believe that we are to be the salt and the light and to have an effect in society.
But the idea of fighting back, you know, when I was a kid, I won't even say who, but a particular family member because a kid that was picking on me in the neighborhood.
And it's like, well, you need to fight back.
And, you know, here, I'll give you 50 cents if you fight back.
So I was a prize fighter.
elijah schaffer
$50 today.
pastor john schaffer
And so, you know, yes, I learned from a relative, you know, fight back.
And so there is a level of that.
No, there's too much of that as well, too.
And then, of course, we all believe bullying is wrong.
But yes, negativity can create positivity in our life.
There's no doubt about it.
For instance, if people write negative comments about John or Elijah, they're always wrong.
john doyle
Why would they do that?
No, no, but how do they want to be wrong?
elijah schaffer
They're just self-loathing themselves.
pastor john schaffer
But here's the thing, because like somebody doesn't know you necessarily in one hour and they don't know everything you think and say the very thing that they're thinking you might have said on hour two, but you only have an hour to do your program.
And then they think, oh, you're because their brain worked faster at that moment and thought what you should have said or whatever.
But so people will have their criticisms, which criticism is good.
So then you look at the criticism and you don't look at it and go, oh, how could they say that?
You're like, oh, well, maybe they're seeing something I don't see.
And I can receive from that.
So just on the level of criticism, you can get something out of it.
So we like to push away all negativity from our lives.
And yes, have the teachers erase all bullying outside.
And definitely sometimes people need to be stood up for, but sometimes people need to stand up for themselves.
So yeah, there is absolute truth in that article.
john doyle
Yeah, I think that it's about just making generations of men weak.
Like even now, guys my age who are right wing and like emphasize fitness and things like that, they still don't really understand some of the younger ones, how the masculine hierarchy, so to speak, forms.
Like really the way that they interact with each other is very just like, oh, hey, what's up, friend?
Oh, let's get cozy.
And that's so wholesome.
And it's like this really like ironic, sort of friendly, soft banter as opposed to how men are supposed to talk, which is like just telling each other to kill themselves and things like that.
Like this is how we strengthen bodies.
elijah schaffer
John, like when I, if you, if I offer you always a topo chico, a drink, just a non-alcoholic beverage of soda water, which of course is the only beverage that an upstanding gentleman like you would ever consume.
And if you do, if you refuse the topochico, what is my immediate response?
john doyle
I fucking kill you.
I'm going to fucking kill you.
elijah schaffer
Right now, if you do not take this, take it from me or I will kill you right here.
And that is how guys talk.
I'm going to kill you.
And then people are going, oh, that's so, no, it's just, we just, we love to just mess with each other.
I break it over your head.
I remember I slit your throat.
We had to go to the hospital.
It was like, it was this prank, though.
john doyle
It was like, it was the epic prank.
elijah schaffer
It was like, I killed my friend and then went through with it, but it was a prank.
And so it was funny because at the hospital, they're like, dude, you committed felony as soul.
You slit open his throat.
He's about to die.
His mom was crying.
And there was like, and I said, prank.
john doyle
He said he's not pressing charges.
I said, it was just guys being dudes.
You don't get it.
elijah schaffer
Remember, like Chris Rock getting, you know, getting slapped by Will Smith.
It was a joke.
john doyle
That's why everyone melted down so much about that.
There's a lot of people I saw, like the blue checks on Twitter were saying things like, well, I can only imagine what seeing that type of violence is going to do for the world.
And it's like, people used to watch people get eaten by lions.
We used to attend public executions as recently as 100 years ago.
And now we've substituted that for just watching it on screens and telling ourselves, oh, it's a movie.
Your brain, I mean, there's something to be said about the type of violent content that we're doing.
elijah schaffer
We watch drone footage.
Watch people blown up by drones now.
pastor john schaffer
And totally, people would love to watch Christians being eaten alive by lions again.
But the thing is, and I didn't read everything on it.
And I don't know his thinking, Will's thinking, as opposed to the joke and everything.
But personally, I do understand that if you have a wife that has a hair loss health situation and then she's going to shave her head for it, that you're standing up for your wife, that you're just going, hey, don't talk about my wife like that.
Like when I was in ninth grade, I remember this kid said, you know, why, you know, why do you call him John Boy?
You know, he goes, because his mom looks like Grandma Walton.
And I knocked him down in class.
And, you know, and we both got sent to the principal's office.
But it's like, don't, even though obviously he doesn't know my mom.
He doesn't know that she doesn't look like Grandma Walton.
In fact, when I was in high school, people were saying, man, your mom's cute.
But, but the thing was, was Grandma Lowes.
elijah schaffer
We love Grandma Lowe's.
Grandma's.
Shout out to Grandma.
john doyle
Probably a very honorable woman.
And that's the thing that's beautiful and honorable.
That's the problem.
Jada, her name is.
She's not an honorable woman.
She cheats on her husband.
pastor john schaffer
No, no, but you love.
Okay, he obviously still would love his wife, and a man wants to stand up for his wife.
I mean, I had in the church situation.
elijah schaffer
She's in an open relationship, and he's not.
john doyle
He's a cuckled lad.
He's a cuckled.
pastor john schaffer
I've had people in the situation as a pastor because I said something negative to their wife.
Maybe their wife was doing a particular ministry and she did something wrong.
And just, you know, and I am fairly gentle and self-controlled and loving in the way that I come off.
But the thing is, you still have to say things to people.
And then all of a sudden, the wife realizes, you know, the way Pastor John spoke to me and then she's crying to her husband.
Then the husband comes and has to have this meeting with me because of the way that I spoke to their wife.
And so I understand why that guy's coming in.
I understand the sense that, you know, I'm standing up for my wife and my wife is seeing that I'm standing up for her to the pastor.
And so I do understand that.
john doyle
But he's at, I mean, he understands the toll that you pay to attend an event like that.
You're going to get made fun of.
And he was even laughing about it.
And then maybe she gave him a look or something.
And then he went up and he had to have his big performance over it.
But what I really enjoyed about that was everybody melting down, like, oh, this is so violent, so violent.
Because they're so afraid of violence.
And that's why they went so hard about like bullying in the last 30 years or so, because you have like all these like pathetic people who now are in positions of power and they blame everything on like mean people.
And they're like, we just need to stop bullying.
And so now the bullying that happens isn't like what you would expect 30, 40 years ago.
We're like, oh, idiot and get shoved into a locker.
That's how like men would bully each other.
Now it's like feminine bullying.
Docs you lying to people, pretending to be their friend, but you're not actually their friend, just manipulating their mind, you know?
And it's actually worse in a way.
And I remember, I think the first attention.
pastor john schaffer
Explain that more, though.
john doyle
I've never, this is what happened in my school.
You wouldn't have bullies, you know, physical bullying because that's scary.
We don't do that anymore.
That's mean.
You would have bullying, like, there'd be a weird kid who would do something like, like, I remember, I think I mentioned the beach ball kid before.
There's this kid I went to school with, and he used to like to carry around beach balls.
It was just his thing.
Kind of weird.
elijah schaffer
There's always a kid.
The one in my school is the one that the kid who thought he was a horse.
unidentified
Yeah.
john doyle
That's just his thing.
Every day, different color beach ball.
He just liked the way they look.
He liked to carry it around.
Nice kid.
But there would be these nice kids or these popular type kids who were above bullying and they were all very progressive.
But they would like run up to this kid and be like, yo, what's up, dude?
Let's take pictures and like pretending to be his friend.
Pretend, yo, can I see your beach ball?
pastor john schaffer
But it's really a put down.
unidentified
Yeah.
john doyle
And they're like making, and he doesn't know what's going on, but they're pretending, you know, to ironically hype him up and say he's cool.
But the joke is that obviously like he's not.
That's what they're implying.
And so it's just very vicious.
And it's, I think, a lot.
elijah schaffer
Passive aggressive, female type.
john doyle
And exactly.
Passive aggressive.
It is worse for you than just pushing you into a business.
pastor john schaffer
Oh, because they're finding a way to do what they want to do, but do it in a different way.
elijah schaffer
But they found a socially acceptable way to be a shitty person.
And that's basically what all Hollywood is.
It's like they're pushing to mutilate kids and they're mad.
And I made this point today.
I'm like, hey, what I'm concerned about is why corporations are being allowed to mass buy up single family use homes in our country, therefore artificially inflating the home price and keeping people out of the market.
I see Twitter cares about teaching kids, first graders, about anal sex and how to have that with your friend when you grow up, I guess.
Like my mind's somewhere else.
And so I'm saying they're like, hey, we're good.
We're moral.
But in the meantime, they're still like child molesters.
They found like a socially acceptable way to sexually be predators on children.
And they've made it that way.
And there's still the sick pedos that are satanic, but they're just like, we're not pedos.
We just want to talk to kids about anal sex.
And it's like, dude, that is literally grooming.
And that is, that is not, there is, by the way, I want to point this out, as Raven Zimone said, you know, we should have a don't say straight bill too because of the don't say gay bill.
We do have a don't say straight bill.
That bill was literally about not talking to kids about their sexual identity and stuff when they're not even sexually developed.
That was literally a don't say straight bill.
You don't talk to kids about sex.
The state does not talk to children about sex.
And here's the problem.
If you go to my screen here, Axios pointed this out.
This is the craziest thing.
We all know gay people.
Gay Tupac literally switches the show.
You've had to describe our director, who's an anonymous, and I said, our director looks like gay Tupac.
Is that not the most accurate representation of who's behind that screen right there?
No.
Hey, Psyop, don't listen to him.
That's about the first time.
Pastors lie too.
Pastors lie too.
No, but I was going to say, they're in the world.
Everybody knows gay people that are just people who they're people who are gay.
And then there are gay people.
There are people who choose to live a homosexual lifestyle.
And a lot of those people struggle and they struggle in their life to come to terms with this.
And we've heard this term.
And this is the same thing.
John will remember this.
And maybe you do.
Back when I was in high school, at the same time that this thing was written, one of the most popular songs that was out was by a singer named something.
I don't remember her name, but it was I Was Born This Way was the song around that era that was about being gay and being born gay.
And there's this idea of we need to not bully.
And part of the reason one of the main problems with bullying was picking on gay kids.
This was the thing that was used.
I remember this.
And people were born this way.
And that song, I Was Born This Way, that Lady Gaga, there you go.
That was about, and I remember watching on, I think it was on, maybe it was Obama's second term.
She performed this song and she famously was saying, you know, I grew up in an era where, you know, there was never an open gay kid in class.
And like, you know, they were picked on and they were picked on into the closet and you're born this way and they can't stop it.
What's interesting, though, about the notion that we are born that way and that it's not usually a combination of trauma and different factors and the way you're raised, et cetera, you know, influencing your life, including being molested, we, Axios put out a study about Americans who self-identified as LGBTQ.
And I'm assuming because they put LGBTQ, they're not including two-spirit and asexual and all these weird things.
They're just looking at lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer people, which again, again, queer is a psyop because everybody, they say, well, everyone's a little queer.
Yeah, everyone's weird.
They hijacked all of our words.
But they looked at this in Gen Z, people born 1997 to 2003.
This is on a conservative, a conservative notion.
20.8% of Gen Z identifies as LGBTQ.
And that's, it actually goes higher when you look at the next generation junior highest right now.
It's above 50%.
Millennials, it's 10.5%.
Gen X is 4.2%.
Baby boomers, which is your age group, is 2.6%.
And traditionalists, before 1946, was 0.8%.
And I do want to give the caveat of saying, yes, people could say that everyone's been LGBTQ and it is the social stigma that's allowed people to be open.
Or on the other end, if you are born this way, why is it that with every generation, as we push more of it in the media and we tell people not to control themselves sexually, to do whatever their base desires are, whatever they want, suddenly people are just becoming more and more queer, I guess is the point.
And I don't know.
Like, what do you make of this?
It's an interesting statement.
I mean, we're one-fifth of the population from less than 1% to one-fifth of the population in 50 years.
pastor john schaffer
70 years.
I mean, I think media has a big thing to do with it and the availability of porn on the phone and all this kind of stuff.
So I think society is very overly sexualized and it's accessible.
And so it causes people to think all kinds of thoughts.
And then, of course, if they don't have a biblical foundation of their identity in Christ, then their identity is going to be whatever the world says that you can tag to yourself as your identity.
And so I think that Everybody, as we know, has the sinful nature and can struggle with any kind of immorality in their life.
But the point is, as a Christian, you realize it's sin and you're sorry to the Lord for it, even though you understand that God loves you and that you can be saved and go to heaven.
But then for the rest of everybody else, they're just going, well, then if I think this or I feel this, and they say this is who you are, so this is who I am, instead of looking at it as something that's part of your life that you're dealing with, but you're taking it on as an identity.
And really, your sexual self is only part of yourself.
I mean, you know, you have relationships, you eat, you work, you have vision and creativity and all of that.
And so I think with deviancy being such on the rise and so easy to be a part of, and especially, you know, and not speaking for women, but just speaking for men, how easy it is to be off track in bad areas of your life.
And so that way, I think that's included.
elijah schaffer
I'm just saying people struggle.
pastor john schaffer
It eases you up.
It loosens you up.
And so then you're more open to what other people think and what other people say.
And like, well, look at, hey, this is a weak area of my life, and that's a weak area of your life.
And so, in one sense, there is, you know, an understanding that people have with each other.
But then in another sense, it's like there's a tolerance and acceptance of everything and anything for each other because, like, you know, who am I to judge?
And so, on the one hand, we should not be judgmental.
But on the other hand, if something is sin, we can still call it sin, even though we understand on the other note with repentance, there's forgiveness.
unidentified
Yeah.
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John, your thoughts, though, obviously, I mean, like we saw with the stats being raised too, and it is, it's a, is this, and I'm going to just pose the question from both sides.
Is this rise in people identifying openly about alternatives to heterosexuality because we've created a culture and a society where people already were this way and feel like they can now be honest with themselves?
Or B, is it a fad and influence where we are now pushing people who knowing that people are vulnerable, specifically young people, to having their sexuality influenced and molded by outside pressure?
Where are we at there?
john doyle
It's unequivocally the second one.
I mean, this data doesn't exist in a vacuum.
We've been keeping up with it for years.
And if you look at the rates of self-identification, the older generations were stagnant.
And it was the younger generation that year by year kept being more gay by identification or sexually deviant, broadly speaking.
And so this suggests that, no, it's not just because we're all becoming more tolerant, because if that were the case, then everyone would say, okay, I'm ready to come out of the closet now that the society has progressed such to a point where I can do so comfortably.
So it's actually just because it's being engineered exactly like you said, which is why it's affecting people who are the most malleable in terms of their cognitive development.
But even they don't actually believe that the society is becoming more tolerant because they will hold this completely antithetical view to that position, which is that, well, the reason transgender people commit suicide or attempt suicide, I should say, at a rate of 41%, or the reason that gay people have so many adjacent mental illnesses as well is just because we're so intolerant.
And if we could only be more tolerant, well, that would simply go away.
But then you look at data that comes from Northern Europe, which is the most tolerant place in the world for those types of attitudes, virtually the same.
Virtually the same rates of mental illness, despite that, you know, perceived tolerance that I guess they have over there.
So yeah, I mean, they've been trying for decades, millions of dollars in grant funding to find what they call the gay gene, because the activists wrote in the manifestos that were literally published and circulated in the early 1990s about how America would come on to accept the LGBT agenda, which is their term for it, not ours.
And they said that it has to be propagated as something that is genetic.
We were born this way, because if you're born this way, the same way you're born black, well, then who are you to discriminate?
That's messed up.
I can't help it, which of course isn't true.
So yeah, they literally said that it has to be marketed as a genetic thing and there's a gay gene, but they can't find one.
They found some very minuscule and inconsequential correlations with like different, you know, very unimportant parts of DNA, but there's no such thing as it.
And of course there wouldn't be because if you look at it from a purely material and scientific perspective, how could there be a gene for something that compels you to not want to reproduce?
Like wouldn't that phase out?
And to that, they say, well, you know, there was this one study that I saw where if like the mom has like five boys, then the sixth boy is going to be gay because evolutionarily she shouldn't be having that many kids.
And you look at that data and it's garbage.
So they have all these like theories and ways to try to explain why it is.
And then you go and you walk around in like Disney's now like we need more gay people in the media.
And it's like, maybe that's why actually maybe that's why.
elijah schaffer
I literally figured out a new campaign.
GT, can you, if you can write this down?
I'm going to start promoting homosexuality to spiders because I'm like to the things that I don't want to reproduce.
I just wish all spiders would become gay.
I really do.
john doyle
That's like a really great.
elijah schaffer
I'm genuinely, I'm promoting gay arachnids.
And you think I'm intolerant?
I'm not promoting homosexuality.
I am.
But for the spiders, because I don't want them around.
The summer's coming up spring.
I've had two spiders in my house.
And I think about it, where did they come from?
From straight spiders.
And if the spiders were not straight, I would not have had those interactions.
And therefore, my life would have been objectively better.
john doyle
I think about that sometimes.
elijah schaffer
There you go.
john doyle
When I'm black-pilled, I just tell myself that the patriots are in control.
And like Bill Gates and all these people.
elijah schaffer
QA and on stuff, like the white hats are.
john doyle
No, literally.
I tell myself that like, okay, well, the reason they're trying to get everybody to like put weird chemicals in them and like be gay is so we can like maybe weed out all the retarded people and i'm just not one of the retarded people so maybe like they really are our guys after all I heart gay spiders.
You can make that merge.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
I heart gay spiders.
Seriously did the web of the rainbow.
john doyle
They literally stay from a rainbow web and everything.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I seriously want.
john doyle
The black widow.
Is that the black widow that you know like Redmart has like there is?
pastor john schaffer
Oh, you know, bringing it back to my truth here is that, and not just my truth, but what I believe to be the truth.
But it is that in sin, did my mother conceive me is what King David said.
And so there's the gene right there.
And it's not that they can find the sin gene inside of you, you know, but just that we are all prone to wander.
We are all prone to the sin nature that we're born with.
And because we have that, and it doesn't matter if somebody doesn't even believe in it, they know there's things that they struggle with and there's things that they don't like about themselves that they might think are possibly wrong or evil.
john doyle
That's the problem with it, though, is when you talk to, like, I spoke to a gay Christian like three weeks ago, and their rationalization for that was, well, I'm gay and God made me this way.
So obviously it's not a sin.
And I was like, well, we all have, like you're saying, desires to do things that are wrong in God's eyes, but that's just because we're flawed.
We're fallen.
We're sinners.
And they don't square that.
And so like the culture as a whole that's being sold this idea, not only is it a religious or irreligious, like they wouldn't even regard that to be a thing.
Like, I'm just made this way.
This is just like how I am.
pastor john schaffer
And that's the whole thing is that you just have to keep going.
There's not a point where you're just going off a cliff and you get back up and get healed.
And when I say healed, as far as you never get healed of the sin nature until you get a new body someday, but the point is that you're going to get back up from that fall, from that breaking point.
And so that is where people have to just recognize, okay, there are problematic issues in the inside of all of us.
But, you know, if we're trying to respect somebody, we're trying to honor the Lord, then we're trying to do that which we believe is right in his eyes.
And so therefore, even though people have all manner of evil stirred up within themselves, they still, you know, get back up and realize, okay, this is off.
This is wrong.
But here's the way that I really am.
This is who I am in Christ.
And this is the way I want to be.
elijah schaffer
You know, I was going to say, that's why, that's where the people got it really wrong with the turning point thing when they would ask like Rob Smith, oh, how is anal sex a conservative value?
The question that we need to be taking is not if something is a conservative value, but if it is a biblical or a Christian value.
And I've seen this be something that has alarmed me with a lot of people on the right wing who are eager.
And I've touched base on this a lot on this overcorrection, where people start pushing for things that are religious or are modern religious, just like the left does with wokeness in order to correct their wokeness.
But they end up not taking a Christian approach.
And a lot of young people are religiously zealous.
They're like religious zealots, but they're not biblically literate and they don't understand God's heart.
And you don't know God's heart if you haven't read his word or you don't know his word.
And there's this emphasis on, well, I'm fighting for what's right.
But if it doesn't come from God and it comes from a leader or from a commentator or a speaker, then you end up realizing that we're all subject to flaw.
Like things that you're on the show, I get it wrong sometimes.
John never gets it wrong, apparently.
But no, but you're in your pastor.
You've gotten it wrong on the pulpit.
We get it wrong.
And that's what we have the Bible for.
We check it and we go, okay, is this biblical?
Is it really there?
And if it's not, then even if it sounds good and we're all a part of it, then we become what we hate.
We become religious with a void of God.
We have a form of godliness with denying the power within.
pastor john schaffer
So here's a proof, though, that people don't pick up on what's wrong very quickly is, say, I would give a message and I would recognize that I messed up on some point, you know, because I mean, biblical accuracy was really important, right?
To teach the word accurately.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, you said you told everyone, saw off your right leg if you want to go to heaven there.
pastor john schaffer
But the time that I actually did, you know, have a blooper that Maureen, my wife, would come up to me and go, man, you know, you said this.
I'm like going, yeah, no, I realized I didn't know how to backpedal at the moment or correct it or whatever.
And well, you know, you should say something next week or whatever.
And yet I sometimes would have one or two other people come up, but oftentimes nobody caught it.
Nobody came up to me about something that was pretty blatantly incorrect.
And so I think that it's like that just with the whole world that we're just so busy in our minds and we just go past what we heard or we don't even know that we heard it.
I remember I was at this one church and this guy, he was a missionary from Africa and it was, you know, I mean, he's given the whole message and he said, yeah, and then I was like in this location and then all of a sudden I was in this other location and I was bent over laughing and I was up.
I lifted up and I was in this other location.
I'm going, wow, I mean, there's a story like that in the Bible of Philip.
And I'm going, okay, this guy's just saying he was translated from one location to another and it has happened.
But I'm thinking, nobody, did anybody else hear that?
And so I'm waiting as everybody's coming to him and saying something about his message and talking to him for about half an hour.
I'm the last person.
And I said, did you really say that you had this happen to you?
And he said, yeah, I don't know how.
It's the only time it happened, but it was just, it happened.
And I remember just leaving just going, wow, nobody questioned him on that.
And that was like the craziest thing, but not crazy biblically, but the craziest thing I'd ever heard.
And so meaning that people just kind of really go past things and that they hear what they hear, whatever the trigger words are, whatever hits them.
elijah schaffer
It sounds right.
It's from someone you trust.
They're not usually wrong.
And so you just buy into it.
And that's all I was saying about the biblical thing, which I think was good.
We should start a movement back to the Bible because you'd ask Rob Smith, the question could be, hey, Rob, you claim to be a gay Christian.
How do you reconcile the Bible saying that homosexuality should be something a part of an identity when you're a Christian?
And A, if you're a Christian and you struggle with same-sex attraction or that's some area of your life where you feel you were born that way, how do you do you feel like God anywhere in the Bible ever said that that was not something you should deal with with the Lord and find healing with?
And it is interesting if you take it biblically, and I've noticed this, it's really hard to argue against like direct verses from the Bible.
And we've kind of gotten lost politically in like religiously, I feel like in the conservative movement of trying to argue things on politics, which becomes opinion and becomes what you think.
Well, you think being a gay Christian is cool and you think being a gay Christian isn't possible.
Who's right?
Well, it depends which political party.
Are you in the log cabin Republicans or not?
But it's like, hey, what about the Bible?
Because Catholics, Protestants, our Bibles are a little bit different, especially the Apocrypha and whatnot.
But overall, for the New Testament, pretty much the same.
We can come together and say, well, what does God say?
And what does God want?
And it doesn't matter if you're in this group or you're in this party or what, what does God say?
And we can finally unite.
And Christians have gotten so political that now these liberal churches and conservative churches.
And it's like, what if we just get back to biblical foundation of like, if God says this, this is our position.
And it doesn't matter what, like, this is the official position of a Christian because it's in the Bible.
And if your position is not from the Bible and it contradicts God's word, then you're just wrong.
And I've been wrong and I've noticed some things I've said.
I'm like, it's not in the Bible.
And I made that up.
pastor john schaffer
Well, and it's okay to be biblical and to go against the culture and to believe in Romans chapter one or Leviticus, I don't know, chapter 16 or 18, you know, where it talks about this issue.
And it's okay to be, you know, right as far as believing that this is God's view on it.
So therefore it should be my view on it.
But what happens is oftentimes it connects, I mean, it contradicts people's own personal experience or their personal temptation.
And so then they can't reconcile what they feel and what they go through to what God's word says because God's word says something is wrong.
And so, but you can still be loved.
You can still be forgiven and something can still be wrong.
And yet God still said because God knows the truth and overall what is going to benefit humanity the best and the way that he created things.
So therefore, it's okay to take a stand with what you read very clearly in the scriptures.
And then also, but to have contradictive feelings in your own life of things that maybe, you know, and as you mentioned, some of the things, whether it's, you know, because of rape, because of incest, because of molestation or any of those things.
And of course, it's not always all of those things.
There's many more factors.
But I think that definitely it's okay to take a stand. for what God says and you're not being insensitive to other people and unloving to other people because obviously God is love and his bottom line of who he is in identity and personality is love.
And yet he says things very clearly in scripture that are negative on that level because he doesn't want humanity, you know, just embracing that as far as the right way because God created a right way.
And then also, you know, scripture says that in the last days it will be like the days of Lot, you know, and so which he lived in Sodom.
And so I think that people don't understand that when we're looking at the days that we're living apart from people's choices and identity and temptation and all of that, it really is fulfilling a time and a season that we're living in that tells us, wow, Jesus Christ is coming back.
john doyle
I think the turning point question was really valid, to be honest, because, I mean, Turning Point is a conservative organization.
If they're a biblical one, that'd be great.
But like they're a conservative organization.
And that tour in particular, I think, was called like culture war.
And really, what do we mean when we say culture war?
It's kind of like make America great again.
We all kind of know that it's going on.
We know what it means, but maybe we can't quite clearly define it.
But it's like, if you have a guy on stage whose identity is not a conservative who happens to be gay, but this guy advertises himself as a gay conservative in a question on stage.
elijah schaffer
That's why I brought it up.
I meant it could be deeper if you ask them a question, how can you justify biblically?
If you have no justification biblically, then I just don't take you.
john doyle
Yeah, I think there you go.
I agree with that.
I just, that might have been more alienating to the audience.
So if we could get conservatism back to Christianity, I think that would be great.
But it's like, you know, if you're on stage and you're a gay conservative or whatever, it's like, what are you saying?
pastor john schaffer
Because he puts that first as identity.
john doyle
It might even be a conservative who's gay.
The point being, I mean, he's very open with it.
And it's like, what defines you as a conservative then?
Like, you like low taxes and gun rights or something?
If you are not willing to conserve the family unit, which is the backbone of Western society, then like, what are we even doing?
I mean, like, we have to draw the line somewhere.
And I think that'd probably be a pretty obvious place to draw it.
pastor john schaffer
Well, you know, I was going to say real fast, the family is a very important thing.
And a lot of times that's where the fatherly instructions come in as far as choices that people are making, because I have definitely talked to young men who love the Lord, who, you know, definitely struggle in those areas.
And just really promoting, you know, it's not as a cover-up, you know, for marriage or whatever, but, you know, to really pray and to really, you know, ask God to cause you to fall in love with somebody, you know, that you can marry and have kids, because really, this is where the greatest joy and the greatest peace will come from as far as having, you know, a family and raising a family and having a wife, except for, of course, if you fight all the time.
But I will say that it definitely is a backbone of society.
It's a backbone of life.
And it's just, it is a beautiful thing for people to have.
And I think that because everything is so sexualized and people are just seeing and whatever they can get on an app and get this person or whatever, I think that they're only training themselves in one way.
And they need to hear that there really is another way and a better way for them.
And that, yeah, this is a temptation part of you, but here is what God really has for you and something even better.
elijah schaffer
Which is, you have to acknowledge that God, like a car, if someone's like, well, I want to use my car as a boat.
And it's like, well, your car is going to sink.
And it's like, well, how do you know?
Well, because, you know, I looked up what cars are used for and I've used them and I've seen what they were designed to do.
And it doesn't mean that your car is not a car once it's in the water.
It just doesn't function properly and it will actually damage the car.
You know, it's literally water damage.
So you have to use the car on the road and you have to take it in these parameters for it to work the way you want.
And we forget with our bodies, and I'm connecting this, everything.
And I'm trying to fix a lot of areas in my life, you know, in general with weight.
And I'm getting back to this as we, you know, kind of wrap this up.
With weight, with everything, you can say, okay, being fat and being obese is good, but you were not designed to be obese and fat.
You can have general struggles with weight.
That can be a problem area.
It can be a cultural issue, but you can never tell people it's good because it goes against your design.
You can have struggles with your sex.
And people, a lot of guys are like, yeah, well, you know, even especially the guys are like, well, I'm, you know, I don't, I'm not gay or whatever.
Well, but you struggle with porn and you struggle with, you know, lust and different things, but you are not designed to live in that.
And we make mistakes.
And you could make a mistake could be 10 years of your life.
It could be one bad decision you made one night.
It could be a season, a few weeks of your life.
It could be almost your entire life till your deathbed to where you've gotten it wrong.
But you've got to accept God's design.
And we're all learning that.
I'm not lecturing people.
It's like we're all learning how to accept that with our time, with our resources, with our money, et cetera.
How did God design us?
Yes, with our thoughts to live.
And it's not hyper-focusing.
That's what my biblical point was.
It is a fair question, but I like where we're moving, where we're going in the right, not just about arguing politics.
We're realizing we need God.
And that's what we're all like.
Everyone's like, I need God.
But most importantly, so you don't get confused between God and someone misrepresenting God.
You've got to know the Bible so you know when it's just a human speaking or when it's actually God speaking.
And I want to bring this up, is that from MSNBC, they've now, obviously, we've talked about this, pandemic fitness trends have gone extreme.
Literally, white supremacists' latest scheme to valorize violence and hypermasculinity has gone digital.
I want to read this.
Earlier this month, researchers reported that a network of online fascist fitness chat groups on the encrypted platform Telegram are recruiting and radicalizing young men with neo-Nazi and white supremacist extremist ideologies.
Initially lured with health tips and strategies for positive physical changes, new recruits are later invited to close chat groups where far-right content is shared.
Quote, physical fitness has always been central to the far right.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler fixated on boxing and jiu-jitsu.
This is not making a good case against Hitler here, believing that they could help him create any army of millions who aggressive spirit and impeccability, impeccably trained bodies combined with fanatical love of the fatherland would do more for the German nation than mediocre tactical weapons training like the U.S. currently is involved in with fat obese people.
Now, what's interesting is there's two sides to this.
Number one, Hitler was also vegetarian, allegedly.
So I guess now the vegans and vegetarians, they're all Nazis.
But number two, it's just absolutely crazy that we've gotten to the point to where the way that we are designed to be, they're saying that if you want to live in your design, that makes you Nazi.
And I feel like that's a really bad case against the Nazis.
It's like, yo, if you want to be peak fitness, guess who also wanted a society of people who were healthy and were fit?
Hitler.
And if you want to be fit and you want to be well-trained and protect your land, well, guess what?
You're a Nazi and that's why Nazis are bad.
And I feel like they're actually selling Nazism to people.
Because if I was a young man and I, and I, and I read this, they're literally saying, if you want to be epic and cool, the people who were the most epic and cool were Hitler's troops.
That's literally what it says, Mein Kampf in this article from MSNBC.
And they're basically, I feel like this is the backfiring of they end up creating more people who end up getting into far-right ideas.
Because then the young guy is like, hey, well, everyone else in our country, the democracy, are all fighting.
They're all fat, ugly, disgusting people.
And you're telling me that Hitler's bad, but Hitler was fighting for health.
It's a very confusing message.
And I feel like MSNBC isn't doing themselves any service by promoting this.
I feel like it's a pro-Nazi.
I feel like MSNBC is pro-Nazi now.
john doyle
It just pulls the crazy back because literally what they want in society is a society full of like depressed, fat, disgusting people.
And so that would be the far left position.
So, the far right position is obviously going to be the opposite of that, which is something that embraces what is good and what is natural, which is physical fitness.
Like, you look at like tapes from guys in the 1950s in high school gym classes, they look shredded, and it's because their lifestyles were more active, not even because they had to spend two hours a day in the gym, but they were just more active generally.
People were just outside doing more things, working more with their hands, and they weren't eating a diet that was literally designed to poison them.
So, yeah, if you reject the lifestyle that is made to make you weak and decadent and disgusting, well, then that's what the Nazis did, and you don't want to be a Nazis.
Like, fuck you.
You know what?
I just want to not like, I just want to stop the world from killing itself.
pastor john schaffer
It's like the kids played outside all day, too.
And of course, people are sitting at home playing video games or watching TV.
So, I mean, literally, we were outside.
And once we were outside, you were outside the rest of the day.
elijah schaffer
You didn't just come Netflix and chill.
You went out.
pastor john schaffer
Everybody was partying out.
And so you're just busy.
So everybody really, I do remember gym class and everything.
Everybody was just skinny.
And, you know, and calisthenics, everything, you know, I mean, you just realized, you know, we're supposed to do this.
This is important.
elijah schaffer
I do want to say this.
This is really important.
So with this and this idea of fitness.
So obviously, you know, people know that my life, that things are out, you know, with my mom that she, you know, had died and in the last couple of years, we're still mourning every day.
But of course, that means my dad is single and it's not good that man should be alone.
Not that he's rushing to anything.
But I will say this.
One of our viewers of the show was just kind of saying how sharing with how difficult it is to actually date now just because people literally don't take care of themselves.
And you can deal with non-negotiables when you're dating, just like things people can't change about themselves.
Like I said, bullying is re-enforcing an insecurity of someone that they cannot change.
I think that's what bullying can be psychologically, where like somebody's literally doesn't have a leg and they can't change.
And you're not just teasing them.
You're like, you suck because you don't have a leg and you're never going to be like everyone else.
And that makes you, you should kill yourself.
That's real bullying.
But of course, criticism is fair.
Like we talked about just telling people, like, hey, you know, and you can be with friends.
Like, oh, well, you know, try, you know, monopod is here or whatever.
Like the guy.
So they sent in a picture and just said, yeah, like it's gotten really rough out there.
And apparently, this is what the dating pool looks like.
And we just wanted to see if you would date yes or no.
And this goes to both of you guys.
We've got my screen here.
This is the real picture was taken at the checkout line.
unidentified
I just want to know if this should be.
pastor john schaffer
I'm not going to share the app, but I am.
elijah schaffer
I was asked, I'm asking.
pastor john schaffer
I have a point I want to make about this.
Okay, listen.
elijah schaffer
Okay.
pastor john schaffer
Is that so?
On a dating app, you know, you have a little X over here.
And so then as you see, you know, and obviously, men obviously do go by first appearances a lot.
But then, of course, there's something somebody says, and there's various pictures and various statements they make.
And sometimes the statements they make are very attractive too.
But so, but as you're going through, you just know that that look in those eyes, that is just like too big for me or whatever.
And so you're doing XXXX, almost like all the princesses being brought before the prince until Cinderella is there.
And so I would say that most guys on a dating app, if they saw that, like as one of the pictures in the profile, they'd go, X. By the way, this is the America flagshirt.
elijah schaffer
If you're the one who watches this show, I'm just saying, hey, get some help and maybe, you know, lose a little weight.
But I didn't even submit this to myself.
I'm not even mocking you.
I'm just wondering.
Okay, there you go.
That's just a normal person with a square butt.
John?
Other John?
john doyle
No.
Thank you.
elijah schaffer
I'm going to give you, we'll give you one last chance.
Yes or no.
Ready?
john doyle
No.
Thank you, though.
elijah schaffer
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
elijah schaffer
It was an offer.
It was an offer.
I was sent it to you saying, Do you like this?
But I was saying, you know what?
No, I'm going to say, you know, I'm a man and men have their own temptations and things.
And I have to say, this is partly maybe why people are gay because this is, if that's what was offered.
And this is what's very sad about this.
This is actually really, really, really sad because there's just a lot going on here.
And it's, it's, it is, I'm going to leave it there.
Uh, the thing is, we're just going to leave it there.
That's how we end the show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I do have one question for both of you guys to end it.
This is from the Telegram specifically.
And we wanted to get this question.
They wanted to know each of our takes on female pastors.
This is, we're trying to answer questions in the telegram.
I don't pick these, by the way, do you guys?
Josiah picks them.
So simple put, female pastors in like under 30 seconds.
pastor john schaffer
Oh, that's so crazy.
Okay.
So the Bible in the book of Timothy says that, you know, a woman shouldn't usurp authority and she shouldn't be the teacher of men.
And so it is in there.
It is in the Bible.
People try to teach that that was just cultural back then.
But actually, the reason is given that, you know, man was created first and then woman and it wasn't man that was deceived, that woman was deceived.
Man just, of course, chose to listen to the woman.
And so when Jesus chose 12 disciples and then he said, choose, you know, certain men.
And you look at the leadership description in Timothy that says, choose these type of men.
And it actually uses the word man, the husband of one wife, not the wife of, you know, one husband.
And so the truth is, is that the Lord wanted his word to be heard to be heard through a father's voice.
God represents himself as a father.
It's not that women can't teach, and it's not that they could never be allowed to share a pastor's wife or anything.
I mean, they've got gifts and they can teach, but they just are not to be the pastor or the regular teacher of the church because God wants to be heard as a father in a fatherly way because the children all need a father.
And that's what's missing today is fathers.
And so he did not set it up clearly that women should be pastors, even though I understand a lot of that's done for tax purposes.
I bet you that's the majority of why that's happened is for tax purposes.
elijah schaffer
John, your question is, thoughts on taxing by body fat percentage?
john doyle
Well, to continue on the first question, he's absolutely right about that.
You can read in that and I think 1 Timothy chapter 2.
And as I said at the Catholic University of America in my speech, which for some reason women walked out of after I said this, women in positions of authority over men is Satanism.
So don't do that.
pastor john schaffer
I don't believe that.
john doyle
I do believe that.
I mean, you're rejecting God's word, therefore it's Satanism.
But what's that question?
elijah schaffer
About your thought about that people increasing taxes, like how they want to tax us on carbon and things that are bad for the world.
And they also might want to tax people who are unvaccinated.
Do you think we should tax on body fat percentage?
Meaning, if you're over a certain threshold, you pay more taxes.
john doyle
If I were king for a day, I would heavily, heavily, heavily tax companies who manufacture food packaging with plastics and BPAs.
And I would heavily tax the companies who are making food that is poisonous and highly processed.
That would solve the problem much more than taxing individual behavior because people are retarded and they just can't do that.
But I'm not principally opposed to that, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
And my thought on both of those things is I think that the idea of women pastors is unbiblical.
And I think that the over-correcting term would be that women have no place to serve in the church.
And that, you know, like the idea that women have no value.
And I think women have, there's lots of gifts and values that women have.
john doyle
Of course, they have value.
We gave them one of our ribs.
elijah schaffer
That's what I'm saying, though, is that people think that pastor is the only valuable role.
And that's an American thing where it's this hierarchy that everyone wants to be a pastor and you can be the pastor of everything.
pastor john schaffer
Well, sometimes people carpet.
elijah schaffer
There's pastors of clothes.
pastor john schaffer
People tried calling mom a pastor sometimes.
And of course, she would correct them.
You know, she was a Bible teacher, but not a pastor.
And she even was invited by a pastor lady to teach a group of pastor women because this pastor lady actually loved good teaching that came from my wife.
And so then she said, well, Maureen's really a pastor, but she really just won't admit to it.
And they all laughed.
But they know that that's not Maureen's teaching.
Maureen 100% believed the Bible and believed that a woman shouldn't be a pastor, but yet she was able to teach the women.
And she did a radio program in LA that covered a wide population of people.
And she was on there for three years.
And it was cured toward women.
But if men wanted to listen, of course, a lot of the audience was somebody driving their car and listening to mom.
But she wasn't their pastor.
She was just sharing good things.
elijah schaffer
She didn't have the authority over them.
That's the difference.
The woman's not having the authority over women.
But it doesn't mean there aren't roles.
Women can teach other women the Bible.
Women can talk to each other.
They should and serve.
And I think where we've lost the point is it's always like this.
Oh, women and men are equal.
Yeah, they can all do the same things.
We can, but we shouldn't.
And we should focus on what we're good at and what we are called to do, what we were designed to do.
And that's the end purpose.
And I do have to end the show there and say this.
pastor john schaffer
Deep discussion.
elijah schaffer
Thank you so much again for watching another episode of Slightly Offensive, the best worst show on Blaze TV, where sometimes we have Confetti of Color just at the end, exploding in our face, the 8K graphics.
John gets a little too.
We don't forget our guests.
There he goes.
You like it, John, and John.
unidentified
John.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Lots of fun, guys.
That's the quality you get.
Don't forget if you want to become official SOB, there are two ways to join.
Number one, you first got to join the Telegram, which is free, t.me slash slightly offensive, which again, we are correcting.
We have mods in.
We're just really trying to avoid the scat porn problem, which again is my whole thing.
Like, you're so based and so mad at us that you have scat porn available on your phone to troll and to get bots to come on.
Not a very based idea.
It's actually satanic.
And it's not, it's a very weird thing.
If you have access to poop porn and you post it, you need to repent.
That's what I said.
I encourage you, even if you're not Catholic, to go visit a parish and to go visit a priest and confess and get your heart right because that's very weird.
john doyle
Yeah, no, it's like they're having to view probably minutes or hours of that in order to get it and download it.
And they're like, ha ha, you're the weird one.
Look what you had to see.
And it's like, my brother in Christ, look at what you've done to yourself.
Like, look at what you're viewing.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
And they're like, ha ha, I posted where they go, haha, we posted gay porn in there and everyone saw gay porn.
Bro, you are the one who put it in there.
So you're the one who, you're the one.
And he didn't stumble people.
No one liked it.
You put it in there.
We all had to see it.
But that's sin on your account.
john doyle
You sought it out.
elijah schaffer
You literally are promoting sodomy.
And it's not just gay sex.
This is like, it's like criminal abuse things.
These people need help.
And I say this genuinely because a lot of these people, obviously, you watch my shows.
If you're doing this and you're mad, you get banned and then you do this.
Or you just watch dumb, fat, retarded people on the internet lie and you're like, oh, I'm going to believe them.
john doyle
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I'll tell you his top 10 insecurities and you can go at him.
He'll tell you mine and then we can just have a better economy.
You know, this one is not efficient.
It's not efficient.
elijah schaffer
No, it's not efficient.
I will say this, though.
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That's literally the name.
They rated it five stars.
Not to be confused with the other one who is dead said, so you can join Antiva because you, of your micropenis, they asked me.
Also, it was good to hear from Sav, I miss her.
Also, your micropenis cured me of cancer.
So all true statements.
There's nothing else to say.
Jewel Colello rated it five stars and said, just started listening a week ago and added you to my daily list.
Love this lighthearted yet informative podcast.
Keep up the great work.
And we are, guys, we are.
We got the Johns in the studio.
And again, I want to, if you're at the make it this far as we close out, a huge shout out to my guests, John Doyle and John Schaefer, Pastor John Schaefer.
John, where can people find you?
Where can they follow you?
john doyle
You can find me on YouTube and I post videos there.
And they're pretty good.
elijah schaffer
They're so often you might miss them.
pastor john schaffer
Well, okay, here's a what do you yes, there is a church in California that I do teach at, though I'm sharing the teaching right now because I, after 33 years of being the pastor there, I'm trying to kind of slowly transition fade out, but not fade, but not leave.
And so, but I am going to try to do some podcasts, kind of a maybe focus on the family kind of podcast and maybe a testimonial kind of podcast.
So we'll see if I actually have some places you can reach me at.
elijah schaffer
Well, you move out here.
I do have a home podcast studio.
You can always do it.
pastor john schaffer
I know, and I love my kids out here.
elijah schaffer
I could always use it.
Anyway, yeah, just so you know, I really appreciate it with you guys.
And this show, I wrote this in the Telegram.
You would know this, but I know that this show is a little bit different because I'm training a whole new staff.
I'm kind of doing a lot of things on my own and people have been really supportive.
But we're also not trying to change it a lot because I'm going to wait to replace Sav with somebody who is, I would say, better in life, possibly in the future, or like, or equal to.
And it takes time.
It's going to take a lot of time to sort of like figure out where we're going to take the show and what we're going to do with it.
And so just pray for us, continue to keep us in your prayers.
Pray for my dad.
Pray for John and everything they're doing because John is just a busy guy, got a lot going on.
So it's true.
And thank you so much again for watching another episode.
We hope you have a great rest of the week.
And may God bless the United States of America.
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