May 8, 2020 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Roasting Socialism W/ Dinesh D'Souza | Ep 55
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Anyway, so the democratic socialists, right?
This is this new trendy term that people are talking about.
We're neither socialists nor we're capitalists.
We are by the people of the people, but we're also about stealing the money from the people.
The only difference between them and socialists is that socialists rely on, let's say, a dictatorial type of central government to take your money and redistribute it to who they want to.
And instead, they have a vote about how much money they're going to take from you, which I don't really trust democracy.
Democracy is a form of totalitarianism.
That's why we are a republic in this country.
But while some people out there say that democratic socialism is not a threat, that the bigger threats are immigration, which I might not fully disagree with, it doesn't mean that democratic socialism isn't a problem.
And so in order to understand it, I want to look at who these people are that we're fighting.
And then we're going to continue on to talk about the real threat of the politicians that are making their way.
And by the way, I want to remind you that AOC wants to do a 70% tax on anyone making over $10 million.
I'm not joking.
She wants to do a 70% tax.
Anyway, it's very hard to speak to the DSA, which is the biggest arm of the Democratic Socialists of America.
We're going to talk about them.
But why?
Why is it so hard to talk to them?
Well, they don't want to talk to people in the media.
Check out this clip from one of their last conventions where an individual that's leading it tells people to avoid talking to right-wingers.
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There are right-wing infiltrators who are trying to get in here, but it's going to be really traumatic for people if we're not making an affirmative effort to de-escalate each other and de-escalate ourselves, right?
Okay, so this guy who sounds like he has a bad case of COPD, it's like, sir, you want to change this country into a democratic socialist country, but you can't even catch your own breath.
Your priorities are off, mister.
You know, it's like, point of personal privilege.
It's like, man, I feel bad for this guy during the COVID season.
I hope he made it out all right.
But these people are absolutely a mess.
And that's why a lot of times we laugh at them.
We go, they're not a threat.
They're not a threat.
These people aren't doing anything that's scary.
But check this out.
Actually, they are a real threat.
There's this guy we're going to get introduced to who is a Democratic socialist, and he's running against Nancy Pelosi.
And he actually won the second nomination.
In California, we're so corrupt that to run for Senate or to run for Congress, they don't challenge the parties on the ticket.
It's just the two top votes.
So in most elections, we vote between Democrats, not between Republicans and Democrats.
It's not like a party system.
It's just like a, oh, what two Democrats do you want to vote for?
Check out this guy who looks like he's about to lead you in an ayahuasca journey in the middle of like the Arizona desert or something.
It's like, he's like a peyote professional.
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At the 2019 DSA convention with Shawhead Buttar, a delegate, and also the guy, if all goes well, who's going to unseat Nancy Pelosi.
He's running against Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco from the left as a socialist.
This guy, Sam Sachs, actually went, he asked this moronic question you heard in the intro about what these people think about billionaires.
It really is scary about how they don't believe that people should be allowed to keep the money that they earn.
Check this out.
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Moving beyond the convention, what should we do about a problem like Jeff Bezos?
Oh, I think that if Jeff Bezos went to therapy and looked deep down inside, he would realize that we should take all of his money.
What do we do about a problem like Jeff Bezos?
I have an answer that I don't want to say on camera about what we do with Jeff Bezos.
I have a feeling a lot of people we've asked that question do as well.
Listen, we gotta, we, Jeff Bezos is a problem, and billionaires like him are a problem.
There is no need for a Jeff Bezos in this world, and I think we need to make sure that we are building enough political power that forces them to pay their fair share.
But these people are focusing on this new breed of socialism that is trying to use social issues to make you voluntarily give up your money because if you don't, then either you want the world to end through the climate crisis, or B, you don't care about disabled people.
They're like, we care about the planet.
We care about people in wheelchairs.
We care about marginalized immigrants.
And if you don't stand for socialism, then you don't care about these things.
But that's not true.
I can care about these things without caring about socialism.
And you know what?
It is scary, though, because socialism has let our country down.
And when you talk to these democratic socialists of America and you challenge them and you say, look at what socialism has done, besides just roasting them, look at what it has done in places like Mao's China and in Venezuela and in Cuba and in Russia.
I mean, look at what it did in the Eastern European countries.
It's damaged them.
They always say this.
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Some point to authoritarian leaders who promised the virtues of socialism, but led their people down a path of economic despair and limited freedoms.
Now, critics of socialism will point to examples like Venezuela and the USSR where it hasn't played out well.
What do you say to those critics?
This speaks partly to the distinction between democratic socialism and socialism more broadly, that under democratic socialism, it's led by the people.
There is accountability at every level.
Socialist governments throughout history, some of their problems have really been due to a lack of democracy and a socialism that really is driven by the grassroots and by the people.
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Joining me today is the author of The United States of Socialism.
He's also one of the best-selling political authors in the entire country.
He's been a target of political corruption, I might say, too.
And he's notorious for controversial tweets that spread the truth like fire.
I want to welcome to the show for the first time, Dinesh D'Souza.
Well, you know, as we were going through earlier in the show, we were talking about something kind of scary because in your book, you mentioned how it would be just foolish for somebody to make an argument to return to slavery.
But more dangerous than slavery itself is a system of slavery.
And that system that people are pushing today is in fact socialism.
It blows my mind that, you know, people can condemn slavery, but then they can promote socialism.
It's important to realize that socialism is a form of slavery.
That slavery, in a sense, divides society into two classes, the masters and the slaves.
In socialism, everyone is a slave, with the small exception of the ruling class, which are the masters.
This is the sort of ruling elite.
And if you look at all the great works on socialism, from Soljan Eatson's Gulag Archipelago, Hayek's The Road to Serfdom, a very telling title, George Orwell, the connection between socialism and slavery is made really clear.
And, you know, this is important because think, while we have certain sorts of forms of slavery today, like sex trafficking and stuff, nobody could seriously advocate for slavery.
Nobody can say with a straight face, hey, gee, you know, all previous attempts at slavery kind of fell short.
This time we're sort of really going to get it right.
But this is exactly what the left says about socialism.
So it is remarkable and stunning that socialism has made this comeback in the 21st century and it deserves a serious re-examination.
Well, I think it is, but I think it's also important to recognize that the socialism we're dealing with is a new form of socialism.
And therefore, the old arguments against socialism are not incorrect, but they're inadequate.
So if you were to say today, well, socialism will never work because it's been tried 25 times and it's never worked before, the modern left will say, well, actually, it does work in some place.
It works in Norway.
It works in Sweden.
The Scandinavian model is a demonstration of a working form of socialism.
And while you may not want to live in Scandinavia, you have to admit it's not so bad a place to live.
Second, they will say our socialism is a socialism of abundance, that technology has made America a very rich country.
And there's no reason that people today should be in fear of healthcare and fear of how am I going to live when I'm old.
So the new socialism is, in a weird way, is parasitic on capitalism.
It's being promoted by people who use the Airbnb and Uber and have an iPhone.
They don't think any of that is at stake.
They think we want all that, but we want to make sure that everybody has, you know, we can afford to give everybody free stuff.
And the third point we're touching on is that our new socialism, I call it identity socialism, because it is socialism married to identity politics.
This is why, for example, if you look at the Democratic candidates, one goes, hey, I'm gay.
One goes, I'm a woman and I'm a person of color.
There's a strong effort to try to trump each other on the so-called issue of intersectionality.
Who gets to carry the most victim cards is sort of the winner.
It's kind of funny, although at the end of the process, the guy who emerges the winner, of course, is the man in the rocking chair, Joe Biden, who doesn't fit any of these identity politics categories very well.
Yeah, and you brought up a good point there with this new emergence of a new type of socialism.
And what's scaring me the most right now, Dinesh, is I think that the ingredients for these far-left politicians to begin to implement their radical agenda is finally on the table because of what's going on with the quarantine.
I want to bring this up to you.
And I'm sure you're familiar with this.
I live in California.
This show is shot here out of Los Angeles specifically.
But the governor of California created a task force during this time to help reopen the economy.
And I looked at some of the words that the task force and people and members on it were using about rebuilding California.
And these are the words they used.
They used inclusion, equitable recovery, shared prosperity, economic justice, environmental sustainability, diversity, social justice warriors for the future.
And of course, our favorite, the fair, green, and prosperous future.
Are these words that we should be hearing from politicians during a time where Americans need to get back to work?
Or are these just code words for a much more nefarious agenda?
Well, here we see the socialists doing what they are very good at doing, but also what they need to do.
They can't actually persuade people about socialism.
So what they have to do is appeal to the politics of fear.
The politics of the Democratic left have always traveled well in times of depression, FDR, the 2008 crash, which gave us Obamacare.
Climate change is another effort to create apocalypticism.
The world is going to end, so you've got to do what we say right now.
And of course, the virus, a godsend for these characters.
And so they have been trying to exploit the politics of fear to get an agenda that goes way beyond fighting the virus or protecting health.
To me, the coronavirus controversy, and of course, I began this book, even finished the first draft of it before the virus came, but it's given us a kind of nasty preview of what socialism feels like.
My wife is from Venezuela, so she talked to me about how her relatives can't find anything in the stores.
There are limits on what you can buy.
There are gasoline lines.
And to all of us in America, this is somewhat abstract.
But under coronavirus, we've realized, hey, we've seen empty shelves.
We've seen limits on what we can buy.
And we have seen a systematic assault on civil liberties of a kind that normally occurs only in wartime.
So I think we've gotten a nasty foretaste on a temporary basis of what socialism would give us on a permanent basis.
Yeah, and what really strikes me is interesting, though, is that the government essentially crashed the economy.
The people didn't crash it.
And now they're telling us, even though we were fine building it on our own, they're telling us they're the ones who need to come together through bureaucratic means to rebuild it.
And I know there was a quote here from a professor at George Mason University.
His name is David Rare, and he said that tyranny results from a government's attempt to plan the workings of daily life.
And so what I believe right now is that California is saying that they're trying to rebuild their state.
Oregon, the governor is saying, oh, I'm trying to rebuild or New Jersey.
But I think they're actually trying to remake it, or should I say, even reimagine it into what they desire for the future.
Do you think they're actually going to be able to accomplish this?
Well, I do think this is what they're trying to do.
And it goes, by the way, way beyond a set of economic formulas that they're trying to smuggle in into the coronavirus tent.
Look at the way they also want to control your ordinary life.
They like this idea of drones going overhead and monitoring people's movements.
The New York Times just said an article a day or two ago about informants, people actually informing on their parents, their friends, their neighbors.
This guy's not social distancing.
Send the cops over here.
I mean, this is what Orwell writes about in 1984.
So we see the two signature elements of socialism, not just economic oppression, but rather the assault on civil liberties in which our First Amendment rights, our religious freedom, our right to assemble, these basic rights are all called into question.
And by the way, everyone said Trump is a dictator.
It's not Trump who's posing a threat to all this.
It's all these little fascists who are mayors of towns and governors.
These are people who are enjoying this taste of being able to order people around.
Look at the relish with which de Blasio issues these preposterous kind of peremptory orders.
He's obviously somebody who would fare fantastically well in Mussolini's regime.
The joy of telling other people what to do and watching that little Adam's apple move up and down their throat as people nervously conform to what the government is ordering them to do.
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All right, so speaking of the drones, I know this worried a lot of people.
Representative Matt Gates, we were discussing earlier, talked about how China might actually be acquiring information from these drones that were donated from DJI, and they might actually be using them to spy on our traffic patterns, understanding the way that we gather socially.
What has really shocked me most recently is not just the amount of elements of the way we've been handling this crisis that are very similar to, in fact, China and a communist regime.
But it shocked me how much our media has supported it, demonized anyone who comes against it, and how they released studies.
There was just a study released in California.
I don't remember the publication.
I said 75%, which already sounds like a made-up number.
How do you get an even amount of people in a poll?
75% of people in California say they're okay with the governor doing whatever he needs to do to manage this crisis.
Do you think that the people in this country are guilty, I would say, of inaction, or do you think they're just ignorant to what's actually going on before them?
Well, I think that there is a powerful attempt on the part of the institutions of our society, which would be, of course, Hollywood, it would be the media.
Sadly, it includes elements of the medical establishment because there's clearly a lot of padded and bogus counting going on of the death rate, people dying of other things, but who are being lumped in with coronavirus.
There's an effort here to boost the numbers in order to boost the fear.
And the reason to boost the fear is to slow down the opening of the economy and continue to establish this regime of enjoyable government control.
So that's the first point.
The second point is China.
Look, China is the biggest totalitarian system in the world today.
In a certain way, economically, China has moved away from socialism, but it has preserved communism, which is the dictatorial political control.
And where else in the planet do you have one billion people under totalitarian dictatorial control?
So the left in this country is allied with two forces abroad.
If you had to count them, they're allied with China and they're allied with the Islamic radicals.
And in the first glance, this seems crazy because these are the most illiberal regimes in the world.
They allow very little freedom.
They certainly don't allow sexual permissiveness.
Look at what the Islamic radicals do to gays.
So you could ask, why would the left do this?
And the answer is pretty simple.
The left doesn't care about foreign policy.
They care about the domestic fight.
And they welcome the enemy of their, they want to make friends with somebody who's Trump's enemy.
And so if they can recruit forces abroad, China, the Muslim radicals against Trump, they're happy to do that.
Yeah, and I think you do bring up a good point about that.
It does shock me, though.
You know, people mocked me when I talked about how I don't want to wear a face mask because somebody is making me.
In fact, if I saw the numbers being consistent with what they're being reported and I really saw people dying, I would put on a mask because I chose to.
I would take precaution because I need to.
My mother's immunocompromised.
She's dying of cancer.
So she's, of course, going to take precaution during the flu season anyway, stay indoors, try to limit touch with people or contact with the outside world.
And that's good.
We should promote people taking their health seriously and trying to take preventative measures, washing hands, et cetera.
But I saw that the numbers were people who died with COVID, not people who died from COVID.
And that already threw me off.
But what I want to bring up is, I think it was the governor of Ohio just recently backed stepped back and said that he's no longer going to mandate masks for citizens because he realizes that that was an overreach of the government.
But he's a Republican governor.
Why do you believe that the governors, the mayors, these people at the local level are thinking that they have the right constitutionally and the capacity to force unconstitutional laws on their own citizens?
And if we step back, we can kind of see how creepy it is when people want to control you to the extent of dictating what you put on your face.
I mean, this is essentially the American answer to the hijab, you know, because it is a mandatory, and by the way, it's supposed to be for your own protection, for your own good.
Now, like you say, responsible people, by and large, aren't going to endanger their own health or life.
We don't need to go around having police stationed at bridges because people are going to jump off the bridge into the ocean.
Most people are going to be protective of their own life and security.
And if you tell them and they see that there's a danger, they're going to take reasonable steps.
But there's something about forcing people to make up to wear a mask that turns them into a worm.
And you know that this is becoming very pathological.
I saw a thing, an article recently in social media about how masks are becoming a form of self-expression.
In other words, you can sort of decorate your mask to make it, to individualize it, to express your personality.
In other words, be glad that you're a worm and be content in your wormhood and try to gain some solace and perhaps even satisfaction in crawling on all fours on the ground.
If you don't see how servile this is, I mean, Nietzsche used the term the last man, by which he meant a despicable human being who's so concerned with his own comfort and safety that he won't walk upright, but wants to crawl on all fours on the ground like an animal.
And I love the fact that you call people worms because to be honest, that's really genuinely what I felt during all of this is that the governmental establishment basically looked at the people and said, we are better than you.
We are smarter than you.
We don't trust you to manage your own life.
In fact, we can't even trust you to manage your own business.
We're going to tell you what businesses are essential or not.
We're going to decide whether we believe you should work or you shouldn't.
Then we're going to bail you out of this by giving you a check that's probably much lower than the income you are bringing in from your other job.
And then through the end of this, we're going to tell you when you are allowed to go back to normal and then end it with, wait till we tell you what the new normal is.
And there's this mandatory wearing of masks that I just got to say, this is not constitutional.
I don't have to do that.
You can't make me wear a mask.
A business can mandate me to wear a mask in their business, private enterprise, private ownership.
I'll listen.
If Ralph wants me to wear a mask inside their grocery store, I don't have a problem abiding by a company's policies.
But I can choose not to shop there and go to a store if I don't want to wear one that doesn't require one.
But this whole idea of governmental control definitely kind of scares me.
And I want to transition this then.
We're seeing the true clarity of how much of a police state we live in now.
And this is sort of the underlying foundation of what I've seen are switching to a socialist, you know, large state type society.
Police departments are coming in and they are enforcing laws that I don't believe they were sworn in to actually enforce.
Do you think that we now live in a police state?
Can we go back?
And do you think that the police and governing authorities stepping outside of the boundaries of the Constitution is just something that we have to get used to?
See, remember in the old days when Marx wrote about socialism, he divided society into only two categories: the rich and the poor.
That's it.
No others, only two categories.
And what the new socialists have done is they have divided society not in two ways, but in 10 ways.
It's not just the rich and the poor.
It's also the black and the white.
It's also the man versus the woman.
It's the straight versus the gay.
It's the illegal versus the legal.
So the idea here is to mobilize the raw politics of race and ethnicity to try to drive their point home.
Look at how they're objecting to the idea of a Wuhan virus or a Chinese virus.
They go, oh no, a virus has no nationality.
It's not as if the virus is Chinese.
You can't use a racial term.
At the same time, these same people then will switch around and five minutes later, they'll say something like, well, you know, the effects of COVID-19 are falling disproportionately on black people in America.
So after condemning the racialization of the crisis, they promptly turn around and do it themselves.
They don't hesitate to play this kind of double game.
This is how they operate.
And I think for us, listening to all this madness, we just have to kind of keep our heads and recognize that what we are seeing here is just socialism that is perverted into new and sort of mutant forms.
And why are they doing it?
Because they realize that the working class, the white working class, which used to be the base of the FDR coalition, is now largely going to vote for Trump.
So they need new voters.
And they're relying on the transgender and the female and the Hispanics and the illegals.
They're hoping to knit together a coalition of oppressed victims to try to drag that perverted, strange old man, Joe Biden, across the finish line in November.
It's going to be quite an effort, and they know it.
