"TRANS SURGERY RUINED MY LIFE" - Trans Woman Transitions Back to Man: EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW | Ep 38
We sat down with an individual who regretted transitioning medically from a man to a woman. After hormone and surgical procedures, he realized that his dysphoria would still not go away, but why? After a few years, this man finally realized the lie pushed upon transgender people and decided it was time to go back to being a man, but it’s not as simple as it sounds. ______________________________________________________________________________________ ⇩ Download the FULL 1 Hour+ Audio Podcast FREE Here Every Week W/ Extra Segments ⇩ iTUNES: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/slightly-offens-ve-uncut/id1450057169 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/7jbVobnHs7q8pSRCtPmC41?si=iwqsjNOhQGGYgQE8_1bfjg GOOGLE: Search "Slightly Offens*ve With Elijah Schaffer" ______________________________________________________________________________________ ⇩ If You Want to Support What We Are Doing Check This Out ⇩ Go to https://get.blazetv.com and use promo code "ELIJAH" to get $10 off a year subscription to all the great shows on Blaze Media, including this one! _______________________________________________________________ ⇩ BOOKINGS & INQUIRIES ⇩ ➤ EMAIL: ELIJAH@SLIGHTLYOFFENSIVE.COM _________________________________________________________________ ⇩ SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS ⇩ ➤ INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/elijahschaffer/ https://www.instagram.com/officialslightlyoffensive/ ➤ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer ➤ FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/officialslightlyoffensive ______________________________________________________________________________________ ⇩ OTHER WAYS TO SUPPORT SLIGHTLY OFFENS*VE ⇩ ➤ MERCHANDISE: http://slightlyoffensive.com
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I believe at the time I honestly just told her I was transgender, that I wanted to transition from male to female, that I didn't feel comfortable being as a boy.
So you can't even buy a beer at this point, legally.
You can't even buy alcohol.
Actually, now I think federally, you can't even buy, or maybe it's just our state, you can't buy cigarettes at that age, but you can tell someone that you are the wrong gender and they just take your word for it.
The number of young people seeking gender reassignment surgery is at an all-time high, but we rarely, if ever, hear anything about those who have come to regret their decisions.
Welcome back to Slightly Offensive with your favorite host, me, Elijah Schaefer.
We are here in the studio today with a very special topic.
It is time to de-transition.
Welcome back to Slightly Offensive with your favorite host, me, Elijah Schaefer.
We have a special topic today, which is called It's Time to Detransition, where we are interviewing an individual who is going under the pseudonym of Abel Garcia, who underwent partial gender reassignment surgery and has been diagnosed as a transgender, but has decided to revert back to the gender they were born with.
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Anyway, I want to welcome to the studio, of course, and for the very first time on Slightly Offensive, Abel Garcia.
Well, okay, first of all, I want to say I'm really grateful for you deciding to come on and share your story, not only with me, but of course with the thousands of people theoretically that are watching this over time, as this is a topic that I think is really not only politically charged, but it's medically charged and socially charged, which is really, really interesting.
So I know you don't want to give too much about your private life, but maybe for just those that don't know you, if you just want to go ahead and introduce yourself a little bit, just around what age you are, you can just say you're in your whatever.
Well, as a child, I never got diagnosed by any clinic, not until I went out on my own at age 18, 19 when I did it on my own.
The clinic that I had gone to around 18, 19, well, 18 is when I started to go.
The therapist that I got, she actually told me that she could get me all the paperwork that I needed to transition that after my first session with her.
Yeah, like around that, exactly how you just said it.
So I around 18, obviously not after I turned 18, but a month after I had gone out to find someone to a therapist to help me transition, I had found one in the area that I live in, and she exactly what she said is that her clinic where she was working at, they're not trying to be gatekeepers for us, for anyone who says they're transgender, and they try to get them their paperwork quickly.
I believe at the time, I honestly just told her I was transgender, that I wanted to transition from male to female, that I didn't feel comfortable being as a boy.
So you can't even buy a beer at this point, legally.
You can't even buy alcohol.
Actually, now I think federally, you can't even buy, or maybe it's just our state, you can't buy cigarettes at that age, but you can tell someone that you are the wrong gender, and they just take your word for it.
Well, I mean, it doesn't blow my mind because I live in California, and so it's not exactly shocking to me, but I mean, to some people, it might be a little bit shocking to where they come from.
So that being said, how long was there between when you went to the clinic and then when you started getting the hormone treatment?
In regards to that question, I would say now that I've gotten older more towards women.
Because at the age of 18, 19, when I had started my transition, I said, well, I'd rather be a woman who's into men.
Because how my brain worked at the time and still works, when I want other people to look at me and my family, I want them to think, oh, it's just a normal American family.
So you went through this really traumatic experience.
Obviously your dad was doing that, like trying to make you straight or whatever, right?
Trying to get you saying, oh, he just hasn't, it's that idea.
Probably, my son just hasn't been with a girl.
I'm going to get him to sleep with a girl.
All those prostitutes often are really nasty.
So that's, I'm really sorry.
That's really traumatic.
And it really, really, I'm not sure.
I'm not going to get into it.
But they know this is traumatic.
But then, of course, obviously going down the road, this doesn't work.
This doesn't change anything per se.
And you end up actually going a step further and getting partial gender reassignment surgery.
How did you make the leap?
Because I will get into this in a moment about what I call fake transgenders, people who don't look like they're transgender at all.
They don't look like another gender.
They just say they are.
And Tifa, a riot group, commonly does this.
They all say they're transgender and they don't look transgender.
So that being said, what was going through your mind?
And what happened to make you go into that to like to, I guess it's not permanent because you can have this reversed, but to go and have, you had breast surgery, right?
That's honestly what I'm trying to work on right now, which, as you said earlier, we do live in California.
That's the funny part of which I kind of figured it's easy for me to transition from male to female as a biological man, but for me to go back from female to what I am biologically is like a million road steps.
Yeah, and that's another thing that my, in regards to my therapist, he's, he's even had to tell me, like, everything we say here, everything that we are doing, it is of your free will.
So what it seems like in California to me, and I might be wrong here, is that there's a lot in place.
I'm going to read you this article real fast.
It comes from The Guardian.
There's this person named Elon Anthony that knows more than absolutely anybody about trans identity issues.
It says, it says, born a boy 42 years ago, he transitioned from male to female at 19, which is similar to yours, right?
Then detransitioned to male three years ago.
So this person is in a similar position.
But he's quoted saying, I started to realize that it could have dealt with my own issues so much better without changing my body because that brought so many more difficulties.
Detransitioning isn't as unusual as you'd expect, but it's underground for a number of reasons and the trans community isn't happy discussing this.
So what he's saying, and maybe you agree to this, that there's, it seems that it's a very complicated thing to go backwards.
There's not a lot of information out there.
I couldn't find enough information.
And it seems like, I mean, this is, I'm making the statistic up, but it seems like 99% of the trans information is about pushing people to transition, but nothing about trying to stop them, make them double check, double think, or, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of good information medically out there to help people who want to detransition.
It goes back to what I was saying with my first therapist who said I can transition literally the same day.
She could get me the paperwork all in one day.
Yeah, in regards to California and how the trans community is like, they want to push everyone to transition, but they don't want to figure out what's the underlining problem on why you want to transition because I personally feel like there has to be an issue on why somebody wants to transition.
Obviously in my case, I did say it goes back to how I was raised as a young man.
I wasn't really allowed to live life.
I was more confined into whatever was near me, if that makes any sense.
So for me, like I said, it was more for the attention, even though at the time, at 18, 19, I didn't want to admit that, even whether I'd known that or not.
But yeah, even I've looked up information to try to detransition.
It wasn't like, it was near impossible to find anything.
But to transition, oh, there's like millions of articles on why you should transition or what are like the good.
They rarely even say anything bad.
Now, one thing in regards to me, when I was transitioning, maybe it's because I was young and I did it young.
I was actually lucky because I did pass what trans people would call passing as the opposite gender.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know if you're, I'm not, this is not trying to be, you know, we're obviously trying to detransition, but the upper surgery, the longer hair, these kinds of things, plus the hormones seem to have altered your voice.
Did you always talk?
Like, see, for me, like, I have a, I didn't ever do a hormone treatment, but I have, like, when I was younger, I was born with like a pretty bad lisp and a speech impediment, and I had to go through years of speech therapy, but I still can't get rid of my lisp.
Like, it's still there a little bit.
And the way I talk, I have a Cali girl accent.
It's like it's a little bit of the diva that's still left in me.
It's probably all those impossible burgers when I was a teenager.
But the point being is, I understand with voices, there's only so much that you can do to try to sound more like masculine.
But the question is, is with therapy and going off of hormones, are you still kind of stuck with more of a feminine sounding voice?
When I first started hormones, obviously my voice wasn't that deep.
Right now, I'm trying my best to keep it as deep as possible.
But because I am legally still female under California and my jobs are have me as a woman, I have to switch between both a masculine voice and a feminine voice.
I mean, maybe not ill, but there's a little bit of a difference between having a disorder and being mentally ill because mentally ill comes with the idea that it can be fixed, right?
There's an illness that you can treat.
A disorder sometimes shows that without medication or something, you couldn't actually overcome it.
So, you know, there's a lot of debate right now about whether or not they should move gender identity disorder and dysphoria from the DSM-5, right?
The psychological book of diagnoses and medical conditions.
And that debate is kind of coming up where trans people are saying, we're not mentally ill, we don't have a disorder.
But I would say on the flip side, especially someone with a background in genetics, a background in biology, I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm not even a clinician, so I don't understand therapeutical diagnoses very well.
But, you know, I think that being genuinely and legitimately trans is a mental disorder.
I do.
I think if you think you're disassociatively not born in the right gender, and while biologically you are that gender, that there's something that is an issue.
And I think it would be really damning and detrimental to our society if we started to normalize this because I was reading about these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who are coming out now and saying they wish they hadn't transitioned.
And even after they've transitioned, people that don't want to go back are saying there's doubts every day about whether or not that was the right treatment.
Like, should they have gone through the full surgical treatment?
Like, did it make them happier?
A lot of patients, according to an article by The Sun, were saying that transitioning didn't make them happier.
It didn't make them actually feel like that gender.
Yeah, actually, I'm going to agree with you there in regards to the transitioning, or I'm sorry, with the transition from, for me personally, from male to female.
I would say that this is from my perspective.
I can't speak on everyone, but when I first started getting the hormones, appearing as a woman, makeup and everything, growing out my hair, it was more of a rush of euphoria, the best way I could explain it.
And then obviously when it was over, that's when I would have more doubts.
Like, oh, God, am I doing the right decision?
That's when I would start questioning myself.
Like I said earlier, the part where I actually finally realized that this was not the right decision was within a few months after I had top surgery.
It does for me.
It was like a rush of euphoria.
It was a I don't know how to explain it It's addicting.
No, that's why I don't, I don't think there really is because they get addicted to that too.
They get that rush.
They want the next procedure and the next thing done.
And then they get insecure again and they end up going back for another procedure.
And I don't, and a lot of them, I mean, this is like not even a, this is not even to be rude to transgenders or to these women, but a lot of them end up looking like they're transgender.
That's like that's one thing I've always wondered, like, why, like, and that's another thing that pushed me a bit more towards conservative, to be more conservative.
Honestly, I feel like they were originally medical.
And this is just coming from my perspective, a 22-year-old young man.
But I say within the last couple of years, it has become more political.
Mostly in the way that I can explain it, it's been hijacked by the Democratic Party to make so they can have the best way, like I said, the best way I could explain it is the liberal party, i.e., the Democratic Party, want to get everyone on their side.
So they hijack the transgender issue and say, oh, if you vote for us, we'll give you whatever you want.
You want top surgery?
We'll give it to you.
You want bottom surgery?
We'll give it to you.
You want whatever surgery you want, i.e., like how California is.
For me, I actually, I'm going to, with my transition, I'm going to actually kind of maneuver into that a little bit.
When I would transition, I was able to get top surgery and hormones and any other medication I needed for free.
I didn't have to pay out of pocket, which at the time I thought, oh, that's a great thing.
Well, I'm not going to do that when you're trying to probe me and ask me, not in a serious and legitimate way, but just because you're saying, tell me more.
When you're trans, when you're trans and your background science, well, somebody called my name out and we was having a conversation with a gentleman here.
It was actually a great conversation.
What's your scientific take on gender dysphoria?
What's my science?
I think it's at the DSM take DSM5 stance.
I think it's an identity disorder, and that's what I believe it is.
It's a psychological disorder that real people.
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So that's a way that you can legitimize telling people that they're f ⁇ ing subhuman.
I said there's a disorder that leads to that, and that's a legal thing that he's taken.
And that's a legal thing.
And I'm telling you that that is a science.
Humanist.
People always wonder, like, even why I'm careful of pronouns and stuff.
They don't realize that there's laws in California.
By the way, there are laws in California.
Not only can YouTube hit me for this because of their own terms of service, but if you misgender someone on purpose, you can actually be charged with a crime.
Now, here's the key thing is that I'm not saying that everyone should give into this LGBTQ BS that's trying to push you.
But as a content creator, I have to be really careful because people are already trying to delete my channel all the time.
And they're trying to take down my videos and mass report me.
So I am careful on how I talk about issues, especially to follow the law.
And in California, we do have gendering laws, which is really, really alarming that it is more illegal to misgender someone in the state of California than to infect them with HIV.
So that's interesting overall, but kind of moving on to that.
So, I don't want to call them fake trans people because it's illegal in California to do.
But Blair White, a trans activist, calls them fake trans people like Jessica Yaniv.
People like there's a famous Antifa doxer that has blue hair.
These people basically claim to be trans.
And there's a lot of people out there that say they're trans.
But the criteria, you go, well, where's the evidence and the proof other than you just saying so?
You know, like, that's the whole craziness of how silly it's gotten in our culture.
It's like, who are you to tell me I'm not trans?
Not to make light of people who go through real mental stress and things, but just like, look, if I want to be, if I want to decide that I'm a trans person, I can say it.
And if we're going to take this issue seriously and we're going to really think that there are trans people, then it should be very strict.
You know what I mean?
Like it's like marriage.
It's like if we're going to take marriage seriously, there should be strict criteria for what it means to be married.
And there is.
You have a license and this, and you have to have evidence and proof, and it's very clear.
And that's why, even when you're like, my wife, she's from Australia.
And so when we're like, there's a huge thing in the beginning with trying to make sure there's no marriage fraud, you know, where you have to really prove to the government, like, we are a genuine marriage.
Even like, she's not using me for a green card, at least I'm hoping.
Just from all the videos I've seen, I think I'd rather eat some lead than listen to another second.
Actually, the funny thing is, I think it was like within the last few days when you uploaded that video, I was eating my lunch, and then I said, oh, Elijah just uploaded a video.
I'll probably watch it.
And then I didn't notice what you were talking.
I only read Jessica Yaniv.
My younger brother was in the living room when I was doing that and I was eating.
Well, anyway, in that notice, that's enough being said.
I, you know, just due to timing, want to wrap up our interview and just, you know, really say a big thank you from myself, the team, and also from Blaze for getting your story out there because more importantly than people coming out against trans issues or coming out for is to talk to people that are in the middle of these things, people who have gone through moments where they've been radicalized or they've gone to the extreme lengths to put their ideology into action, as you did, and then realize that they wanted to reverse.
And so to kind of close it out, to those that are watching, I don't know if there's that many people suffering with trans issues that watch my show, but there are people that have family members, people thinking about this.
It's actually, I think it's becoming a fad.
What's your closing advice that you would say to young people who are considering going through a transition and actually taking those steps to go hormonally?
And what advice would you give them?
And this also can be advice for people like, yeah, who have friends like that that might want to share this with them to help them to make a better decision.
Well, in regards to advice, the best way I can put it for me personally, it didn't work out for me.
In regards to friends, or mostly parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, who have a relative who is trans, my best thing would say is honestly, I would say just try to help them as best as you can.
Depending on where you live, California, you can't say, oh, you're not trans.
You can't go do that.
In my situation, this is honestly the worst thing that you can do: just let them do it.
Like in my situation, and just let time take its toll.
Because if they're not really trans and they will figure out, time will be like, hey, wake up.
You're not, this isn't for you.
So that's the best and worst advice I can give to.
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Like, I know you wanted good advice, but this is a sticky situation.
