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Dec. 20, 2019 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Digital [S*XUALITY] | Ep 37

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elijah schaffer
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jordan b peterson
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unidentified
We made easy money.
It was addicting and you really feel like like wow, this is so easy.
I can do whatever I want.
You can tell me anything.
jordan b peterson
It's all pleasure with no responsibility.
unidentified
As if you're pro-sex, you're pro-pornography.
jordan b peterson
It taps into one viciously primordial motivation.
steven crowder
The media entertainment industrial complex.
They've been trying to convince people for a long time, but more so recently that porn and masturbation is actually good for them.
unidentified
What it does is it hazes the mind.
And what it does is it turns obviously females into objects.
You don't feel genuine about it.
You don't feel like your gut or your conscious.
You don't feel like you're doing a good thing.
People have created this idea that pornography is negative, pornography is bad.
The proliferation of hardcore porn is injurious to the common good.
jordan b peterson
And to be even more specific, it is destroying children.
unidentified
I started off watching porn as young as 12 out of curiosity.
Our bodies are normally stimulated just by default at things we see.
steven crowder
Anyone can just open up their phone, click, yet 21, the most depraved, hardcore porn you can imagine.
jordan b peterson
It's not good.
It's not good.
unidentified
Dr. David Lay has a theory about why these young men are so angry.
elijah schaffer
They're not strangling their pepes.
So is porn good or bad for society?
Obviously, science is not conclusive.
Our culture is not conclusive.
And in fact, even the religious circles aren't conclusive.
Because if we really knew how bad porn was for our society, then we wouldn't have it in our society at all.
And if it really was as good as some people said it was, then obviously it would be more readily available.
But when you talk to different people, you get different answers about the effects of pornography both on the youth and adults and how much of it should really be in our country and the world.
We asked ourselves the question, is porn good or bad for society?
And we started out by going out to University of Southern California, also known as USC, one of the top universities in the state of California, to see what students thought about the topic of pornography.
Does anybody want to talk about porn?
Ladies, do you want to chat with us, your thoughts on the porn industry?
unidentified
Nah, all right.
elijah schaffer
See, porn makes people uncomfortable.
It really does.
On one side, there's an argument, right, that it's basically, like, there's a feminist argument that it's freeing and girls sexually express themselves.
They take control of their bodies.
They can have sex for pleasure, right?
It gives people that power.
It's the sexual liberation from the 1960s and 70s.
On the other hand, people say that it brings immorality and corruption and comes into children's lives too early.
So I'm wondering where you stand on that argument.
unidentified
I think it's kind of, I mean, it's kind of both.
I mean, there's different, I've never watched personally, but I think there's different types, I guess.
I think it just depends on how you use it or how you talk about it and how you portray it.
I think it can be very, I think it can be degrading, especially in how in pop culture, how it's used.
This last generation or the last couple of generations have been consuming a lot of pornography and it's probably not good for a lot of like our relationships and how we view the world.
elijah schaffer
Net positive or net negative for society, not just you?
unidentified
Net positive.
Net positive.
I feel like it kind of like distracts like your relationship with like a higher being, like God in my point of view.
Like when you get like the, when you're like completely like reliant on something, like some form of like, I don't know, in this case, like adult media, like I feel like you aren't like really focused on what's important in life.
I think it's good.
Yeah.
I think everyone masturbates.
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
You think everybody masturbates.
unidentified
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure.
elijah schaffer
I love porn.
You ever looked at porn before?
unidentified
Of course, of course, bro.
It's that type of shit, you know?
elijah schaffer
You like it?
unidentified
Yeah, bro.
I be my meat every night.
No one wants to talk about it, but we all know, like, we all look at it.
I know you probably look at it.
elijah schaffer
Well, I've definitely, I've for sure seen ton of porn.
unidentified
I don't know what exactly, but yeah, you're probably watching it.
elijah schaffer
I used to look at a lot of porn when I was younger.
A lot of it, actually.
I mean, I wouldn't say in terms of a worldly standard in a sense, you know, like I wasn't sneaking into bathrooms at school to touch my pee pee and look at a woman's titties.
But I mean, I looked at it pretty often on my PlayStation Portable.
Remember those?
There's one said that when we invent new technology, people either find out how to have sex with it or look for sex on it.
Now, I'm not a fan of pornography any longer because I found it to be more hurtful in my sex life, personal relationships, and walk with God than it was actually helpful.
But I might be the odd one out because it seems that people, including college students, are consuming porn at an increasing rate.
And in fact, it may be that porn is influencing the sexuality of our youth in ways that we had not previously understood.
When you go and you type in porn on Google, Pornhub's the first website that pops up on most devices.
unidentified
Interesting.
Okay.
elijah schaffer
Now, it has suggested searches, which change a little bit from device to device that we looked at.
But for the most part, the top five searches that are suggested were gay porn, cam girls, porn stars, and lesbians.
I don't remember that the fifth one was because it changed a lot.
There's only about like one to three percent of people that are gay, but they're suggesting gay and lesbian porn, which are both homosexual acts, as two out of the top five.
Why do you think that gay and lesbian porn is so popular if only a small percentage of the population is actually gay?
unidentified
I think people are probably trying to understand themselves better, maybe.
Maybe they're like curious.
I think we're all a little curious.
So we're like, oh, I wonder what that would look like.
Like, if it was me and a same-sex person.
Yeah.
So I think people are curious.
elijah schaffer
Do you feel like porn influences people's sexuality during development?
unidentified
Oh.
I think that's a good question.
I would like to look at the research more because, I mean, yeah, if you're looking at porn at a young age, especially with like Gen Z, they've been growing up with devices.
So they've like, I mean, humans are curious creatures, right?
So easily, like, they have more access to this information.
So it'd be cool to look at like different parts of the brain developmentally to see like, yeah, how that would affect sexual identity as a whole, like on the spectrum.
elijah schaffer
What about porn-induced erectile dysfunction increasing with doubling, tripling over the last decade in people under 25?
unidentified
This I know more about.
elijah schaffer
Perfect.
unidentified
Okay.
So there is like, especially with like Gen Z, maybe even millennials, people are watching more and more porn where it's, it's overstimulating us, like both physically and mentally, where I know like some people have problems,
like as you were talking about the induced erectile dysfunction, because they're, when they do have like a sexual act and they do like perform sex, they don't get the same pleasurable experience as it was in porn because in porn they're searching for things that they want or they fantasize about.
And then when it's in the real world, they don't get that same pleasurable like hit of dopamine, I guess.
elijah schaffer
So when sex with your girlfriend doesn't become enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
You gotta do three sums and four sums and gay sex.
You gotta go explore because you can't get up enough just by a girl's boobs.
unidentified
Yeah.
You're looking into the fantasy land.
So that is definitely something that would be detrimental.
elijah schaffer
Have you ever experienced that where you've gotten into a real-world sexual experience that has let you down because it's not as intense as pornography?
unidentified
I wouldn't say so.
elijah schaffer
Now, this young man may think that porn is beneficial for his life, but there is one thing we can probably all agree on.
Young kids should not be looking at porn.
But one study on the security company Bit Defender found that one in 10 of their porn users were actually under the age of 10.
And in fact, of their underage porn consumers, under 10 users accounted for 22% of the consumption.
Now that's a number that should shock us all.
unidentified
I think growing up you just kind of know it's around.
elijah schaffer
When was the first age you looked at porn?
unidentified
Probably like 13 or 14.
elijah schaffer
Did you look it out yourself or did someone introduce it to you?
unidentified
I think it was just like a couple of friends and I we like found like a Playboy and then like that piqued my interest.
elijah schaffer
Did you stop after that or did you continue to consume?
unidentified
No, I didn't stop.
Someone introduced it to me at a younger age then.
You know like you're hanging out with friends and stuff and like oh let's see what's on TV and then you go like scroll down to like the channels that are like 480 that are adults.
elijah schaffer
We still remember the numbers.
Number 480.
What was the channel called?
unidentified
Man, I don't know.
It's something like Backdoor Teen Moms 5.
elijah schaffer
Something like he remembers it!
Backdoor Teens Moms 5?
Teen Moms 5?
unidentified
Teen Moms 5, yeah.
elijah schaffer
I don't, I don't, that wasn't a backdoor of a home, was it?
unidentified
No, no, I don't assume.
I think it's a shame and what it really points to is parents are not monitoring their kids as well as they could and should.
And I also think that not only should they monitor them, they should also set up some type of a filtering program of some sort.
elijah schaffer
But enough with those who watch pornography.
What about those who make it?
I sat down with somebody who had previously both worked in a strip club and also of course did what is called cam modeling which is sort of taking money for doing sexual favors online to talk a little bit about the story of how you get into porn and what its effect it has on your mind growing up.
Because after all, it seems that a lot of people who are making the porn are young girls.
unidentified
I was 18 years old.
One night I was just hanging out with my friend from high school and she had just gotten into FIDEM, the Fashion Institute, which was a crazy amount of money.
She didn't know how to pay for it.
We were just talking about like ways to make money, like how to make money fast.
So we decided to interview at Deja Vu.
We would see people who worked in that industry and we would see their lifestyles.
We would see the cars they drove.
We would see that they had kids and this is what they did for work.
So we assumed if they could do it, we could do it.
They said, show up, just walk upstairs.
The boss is here.
He'd love to talk to you.
So he talked to us both and we were instantly hired.
And from then, we were just making crazy money.
I was making, at the time, I think it was $10 an hour.
But TIPS was like a good average $500 a day.
elijah schaffer
I mean, that's like more money than most people get making their year in the world, right?
So how'd your life change?
unidentified
Honestly, it was a lot of fun.
I was working with my best friend of all high school.
We were so close.
We were at each other's houses every single day.
And then they go to tell us we can work together.
All of our ships were together.
We made easy money.
It was addicting and you really feel like wow, this is so easy.
I can do whatever I want.
No one can tell me anything.
Again, I think the money was so addicting.
And then you also think of your looks.
They're not going to last forever.
So you want to take advantage of this is so easy.
Why not make more money?
And so, again, social media, I followed someone who was a cam model.
And she just lived like the most luxurious life.
Her apartment was amazing.
It was like a penthouse.
And I was just following her every day.
And when you go on cam, you can view the models for free.
And it shows up like as a guest.
So I would view her cam because I was like, what is she doing?
She has so much money.
I think she drove a Bentley too and she was my age.
So I connected with her on that level.
So I viewed her cam one night and she was just sitting there.
She was just talking.
She had about, on average, she had about a thousand people in her chat room and she would just talk.
That's it.
And people would just tip her and tip her and tip her.
And that was, it blew my mind.
So I just thought, why not get more money?
I think because you're behind a screen, people, they were different.
Some of them were weird.
And again, who knows what they went through.
There was also, so what you do when you get online, you have, you can put an about me, or not an about me, but like a title on top.
So you would say, once I reach this amount of money, I'll take my top off.
So you could be on for five hours and be getting tipped up to that, you would call it the high tip.
So I would be on just talking, talking, getting tipped, and people are just waiting to hit that goal.
Sometimes you would get that goal, sometimes you wouldn't.
And if I didn't, I would just log off.
If I did, then I would also just sit there without a shirt.
Or they could take you to a private room.
I was once taken into a private chat room.
He wanted to, he wanted me to act like I fell.
I would just sit there and he wanted me to act like I fell and hurt my leg.
And he would just talk to me and he would say, he was like, oh, I know you went on a hike today.
Like, how did you fall?
And I would have to explain to him how I fell and how much it hurt.
And he would just keep on tipping me.
And I think he did that three times.
elijah schaffer
So it wasn't sexual?
unidentified
No.
At 18, I had an incredible amount of money in my savings.
At an 18-year-old, I had up to $50,000.
It was insane.
I think it's not the right way to do it.
I don't believe that it's right.
I think, according to the Bible, I think it's you don't feel genuine about it.
You don't feel like your gut or your conscience.
You don't feel like you're doing a good thing.
So in that sense, I don't think it was a great experience.
I think the guilt in knowing that I wasn't doing something genuine and right caught up to me.
And I think it's true.
You give what you get, you reap what you sow, what you give out into the world comes back to you.
I wasn't doing genuine work.
I wasn't doing right by God.
I was sinning.
And my life kept giving me problems.
And for the longest time, I didn't get it.
And I was kind of okay with it because I would just make the money back the next day.
But over time, I realized I can save so much more on my own and do something that is right and not have that bad feeling in me that I know that I can do something good and still make a lot of money.
elijah schaffer
Despite what people continue to try to say about porn, it looks like the evidence is not in their favor.
Porn is not helping us grow as individuals or as a society.
In fact, it seems to be doing more harm than good.
But is the answer really banning porn from society?
Should we ban porn?
unidentified
No, I don't think so.
elijah schaffer
Okay, so my question is, do you feel like porn is a net positive or a net negative in society?
unidentified
At this point, I'm starting to think it's probably a negative thing.
But I don't know if the government or if anybody should prohibit its viewing or its use.
I think like form was technically a form of speech.
And I don't think it's like it needs to be necessarily regulated.
I think people have a choice to view what they want.
And if people want to engage in that lifestyle and be involved in that, that's their choice.
You don't have to personally support it or watch it.
But I don't think it's a good idea to regulate it.
I don't agree with the ease of use of it.
But then again, if we would take that away from whoever, they would take, speaking of the government would take other things away from us.
And that's catch 22, really.
elijah schaffer
You should not ban it, but maybe more regulation?
unidentified
Yeah, regulation would be something to start with, but I don't think that's going to happen.
I think it's going to get worse.
And things that we call against the law now, in time, it's going to be legal.
Mark it down.
elijah schaffer
No, but one thing that I read on a recent article I thought was really good where it said, rather than the government restricting porn, consumer groups and moral groups should pressure internet providers to offer packages that would restrict porn to individual houses.
Yeah, on devices.
I mean, and what's wrong with that?
What's wrong with giving people individual liberty and power to choose what's allowed in their home?
You know what I mean?
So obviously porn is hurting more than it's helping.
I mean, despite what people say, it appears that the harm that it's doing on the people who are watching and creating it is more bad than it is good.
So what do we do about it?
unidentified
One of the main issues why people get so hooked up and locked up into it is because they feel they actually believe a lie and that is you're hooked.
You're hooked now.
You're like, you know, hook line and sinker.
You're like a heroin addict now.
You'll never get off this, but that's a lie.
I've learned in every aspect of this thing we call sin, sin has lost its grip on us.
And when a person comes to a place where they understand that The grip of sin is broken, then you realize you don't have to give into it.
You don't have to believe the lie that you're hooked and you can't get out.
How do you really feel after watching?
How do you really feel about yourself?
Do you feel good?
Because I know in the moment it's like an instant high, but try, you know, getting that satisfaction in a better way.
Try building an actual relationship with someone and having those intimate moments with those special people where that you are going to experience those moments with them and feel amazing after and feel loved and feel happy that you made someone else feel loved.
elijah schaffer
Porn is addicting and we know that because after all it activates the same pathways in your brain as cocaine.
But of course not everyone you know has done cocaine in their life but most people statistically that you meet will have looked at porn.
So if this problem is as big as cocaine in terms of its effect on the body, but it's even bigger in the terms of those who are affected by it, that means that the solution has to be one that is well thought out.
And the government outright banning something doesn't seem to work.
But changing the way that we look at the situation, understanding that there needs to be more regulation, better restrictions, and less access for children may be the start to a solution.
If it was easy, we would have already solved it.
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