Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt and Olivia explore Edgar Cayce's prophecies of an Atlantean Hall of Records beneath Giza, dating the Sphinx to 10,500 BC. They allege the CIA and NSA suppress evidence linking ancient "Two Eyed Stone" technology to modern CERN risks and Epstein-Maxwell conspiracies in the Miami-Bimini "Hot Zone." The discussion connects Rudolf Steiner's teachings on the Belial cult to underwater ruins off Cuba, arguing that mainstream archaeology ignores this lost civilization's advanced tech. Ultimately, the episode suggests humanity faces a repeat of Atlantis' destruction unless it confronts suppressed truths about ancient power grids and geopolitical control. [Automatically generated summary]
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Astral Projection and the Grays00:06:58
you There's no question about it.
And no, this phenomena has been with us since the beginning of time.
There's no question about that.
This goes all the way back to the Mayans and the Egyptians.
I'm glad you mentioned Gilgamesh because that is actually the original Noah's Ark story.
And there's a line in there where they're taking him up in this ship and he's looking down and he says, Oh, the earth looks like porridge.
Well, if you were going up fast in a craft and looking down at the earth, that would be your explanation in 3000 BC that the earth looks like porridge.
There's a series of biblical references in.
Around the UFO file.
The Ezekiel reference is fascinating, but if you look deeply into that with the wheels within the wheels and the eyes that shift and the wings, he's describing a gigantic machine, and there's no question about that.
But then he says the creature, the angel, comes off on a floating platform in the Hebrew and Arabic with a crystal dome over its head and then communicates with him.
I mean, it's literally close encounters.
It is.
And what's interesting about that is he's talking about crystals there, and he calls it the terrible crystal.
Well, that's very interesting because Casey's whole story in relation to Atlantis was they had the terrible crystal.
They had the two eye stone that powered the civilization, but it took everything down.
So it was a technology on one hand, but what was the other aspect of it?
Well, Casey said they used it to communicate with the saintly realm.
So the technology being used as an interdimensional communication system.
Yes.
Yes.
And it goes both ways because what they're talking about, when you talk about demons and other things, there's no question that that's a reality.
You know, it's fascinating.
I had a conversation with Graham Hancock.
And Graham Hancock's done a lot of psychedelic experience things, but he's the Atlantis expert.
And I had him out here in Cambridge and we did a whole interview series.
Well, it was interesting because what he said was when he was doing these ayahuasca trips with the DMT and all the rest of it, what was he seeing?
He was seeing grays.
So the grays were popping into his experience while he was doing this.
By the way, everybody does.
Everybody does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a classic elfo.
They're grays with like little green hats.
And if they get pissed off, they'll pull it off.
Like you said, they're like a praying manis.
This is like universal.
It is.
And that's a whole shape shifter quality depending on our own subconscious.
I think that that is an absolute fact.
But it's interesting to me because a guy like Hancock wasn't even into UFOs, but they're popping into his experience.
So they have a way to dance between physical reality.
They show up, they disappear.
And then when people are into these psychedelic spiritual seeking trips, they show up there as well.
Well, that's it.
Our brain is the control panel.
So, yes, exactly.
A real enemy doesn't show up with tanks, it goes into your brain.
Right, exactly.
And your brain is the interactive point.
It's interesting when they've gone to redevelop the craft, some of the very clear cases, it's much fuzzier now after the fact with these whistleblowers.
But if you go into the older cases, you find the actual facts of these people who came forward and said, when we sent people in to redevelop the craft, a number of strange experiences happened to them.
They couldn't spend more than 20 minutes inside those craft.
There's the Valor Glifchitz.
Exactly.
So it's not just like, hey, there's a crashed UFO and a bunch of dead bodies.
You're dealing with a whole, as you mentioned, interdimensional experience when you're dealing with this.
Because if those people, when they interact at that level, they start seeing their loved ones who are deceased or they start having psychic experience.
Why does, in a number of those cases of the UFO contactees, their psychic experience go off the charts?
Suddenly they become telepathic.
Suddenly they become psychic.
You know, they can do psychic trance readings.
They can see into the future.
Well, obviously the interaction has brought them to an entirely different level.
And that's opened up some latent quality deep inside the body.
It activates the synapses that we are all electrochemical transceivers.
It's been proven.
That's how geese can fly 3,000 miles.
Wow, two minutes.
We're right back with Daniel List.
This is so important, folks.
Stay with us.
So let's finish up with Men in Black and go back to the main discussion after that.
So, because you're the expert, I mean, wide spectrum, you're the expert on accuracy because I'm pretty smart about it.
So I know your research is the best channel with so much disinformation out there.
But the Men in Black, are they aliens?
Are they advanced humanoids?
I mean, we know they're real.
We know they pop up.
In fact, a lot of people have seen them.
I think I've seen them definitely and never seen anything like it.
What I saw in DC was Men in Black look like demons.
Huge vampires, white skinned, scary looking people, pig noses, you name it.
It was like a hallucination.
I couldn't believe it happened.
But your best quantification what are they?
Well, they're absolutely real.
That's for certain.
No question about it.
Just like your experience.
Yeah.
I mean, just from your experience, I've talked to people on very high levels who've looked at this and they, you know, they have a lot of people feel fear.
Like it's immediate.
Now, that's fascinating because it's dealing with their energy body.
And what I learned when I tracked it back was about a group called the Sami, which were Laplanders in Finland.
And it's interesting.
One of the most famous I can think of is Renee Zellwiger, but they're very fascinating looking people.
And the Sami are very interesting because we recruited a number of Sami to come over here in 1912.
And the intelligence agencies were working with Sami.
They were known as the best psychics on the planet.
And they had the best shamans as well.
And so many things like the reindeer and the whole thing about Santa Claus and the reindeer and him coming down the chimney that's all Sami aspects.
And supposedly it came from their shaman doing these psychedelics.
Well, it's quite fascinating because the Sami, when they were recruited, one of the things they could do, if you could track back in their story, Is they could project themselves anywhere and look like anything.
This was part of the powers that they had.
And they were sought after, you know, in the medieval ages and things like that because of their abilities.
But they are a very remote group up there, a very small group that maintained this.
And we recruited a number of them.
And I was looking at the reasons why we did it.
And it was, oh, you know, the technical reason was to train reindeer.
I don't think it was to train reindeer if they were the best psychics on Earth.
Now, one of the researchers back in the UFO world was called John Keel.
He's passed away now.
But one of the things he did.
Was interview all of the people who had had these men in black experiences.
And he would break, he started to say, well, you know, the description sounds like they're Asian, you know, over and over again.
They're short and they're Asian features and all the rest of it.
He was going into this and he was making all the list of this.
So he decided to bring in all these different pictures of these different races to this witnesses and everybody from the UK, Germany, you know, Alaska, China, whatever it would happen to be.
And he said it wasn't just 50% or 60%, it was 100% of the people who had the encounters that he showed the pictures to.
Chose the Sami picture over and over again.
So, when you think about this, they have the ability to astral project.
Mapping the World with Tall Whites00:02:18
When people get around these men in black characters, they're in fear, right?
But they also seem very awkward in real life and what's going on there.
We're going to bring up the camera.
What do you think about the ones I saw being really tall?
Well, that reminds me of the Charles Hall story about the tall whites, which are a group here that looks very human, but is also incredibly tall and kind of freakish.
And he encountered them when he was the weatherman at Nellis, which is Dreamland, Area 51.
And he came forward with all these experiences.
They just threw him in.
They didn't say, You're dealing with aliens.
They just said, You know, here, deal with these people.
And so they threw him in like an experimental subject.
And it goes deeper, it goes deeper still.
One thing I wanted to mention since we're still talking about the diving though is you actually dove the Bimini Wall.
The Bimini Road, yeah.
The Bimini Road, yes.
Yeah.
That's a very easy dive.
Is it?
Yeah.
Right.
It's not so far down.
It's not so.
It's about 15, 20 feet.
It's a, it's, it's a, it's a very easy, relaxed, gentle dive with lots of lovely, friendly little nurse sharks down there.
Okay.
Which don't eat you.
Oh, that's good.
You can go play with them.
And, and, and then there's this extremely regular pattern of large blocks on the, on the seabed.
And that pattern of large blocks, uh, is the subject of a controversy.
Uh, archaeologists believe it to be totally natural, um, because they do not believe, um, given that it's been covered by water for thousands of years, they don't believe that any population was capable of creating a megalithic site on that scale, um, perhaps not during the Ice Age, but say even eight or 10,000 years ago.
Uh, and, and they therefore say it must be natural.
Uh, it's a, it's a natural site.
Actually, I, I don't really care whether it's natural or man-made.
Um, the, the fact is that that's, um, Bimini Road feature is shown on an island above water on the Piri Rees map, which was drawn in 1513, and which is based, as Piri Rees himself tells us, on more than 100 older source maps that had derived from the Library of Alexandria before it was burnt down.
Mainstream Archaeology Meets Ancient Maps00:03:41
It puts an island right where the Bimini Road is, and it actually shows the Bimini Road on that island, except above water.
And that says somebody was mapping.
The world a long time before people are supposed to have been mapping the world.
Hello, everyone.
I'm Kelsey Forrest, and I'm here with our amazing Daniel List to go deep into the mystery of the Bombshell Giza Pyramid Discovery and its ancient connection to the Atlantean Hall of Records.
It's great to be here with Kelsey.
Are you ready for all my questions?
I really am.
And this is exciting because it turns out that with the timing on this, this is an explosive discovery, and it lines up exactly with something that we shot very recently.
So I'm excited about what we can reveal here tonight.
Let's give the people what they want.
Exactly.
Okay.
Are you ready?
Yes.
All right.
First question.
I'm excited.
Let's begin with the startling discovery of a massive underground construction beneath the Khafri pyramid at the Giza complex using Spacer radar technology.
Yeah.
This is interesting.
There's a certain type of technology that is coming into archaeology now.
And they've had LIDAR, they've had all these different ones coming up and coming in, but space radar.
And particularly this SAR radar, in particular.
This gives them the ability to, from satellites, come in and take these types of images.
And these are extraordinary images.
And we'll be rolling these images throughout the night.
But what's going to happen here is some of these older structures are going to reveal major secrets that have been kind of eluding mainstream archaeology.
So there's been a big fight over humanity's past in the middle of this.
And so there have been a number of people, and we've done a number of episodes about.
You know, the Lost Hall of Records, the Edgar Cayce work, and the whole esoteric mystery school version of the ancient past, which is very, very different.
And what happens with this breakthrough is that so much of that work got validated that now mainstream archaeology is going to have to catch up with the amount of ramifications that are involved here.
And the problem for them is this what they basically said was that you had a fairly primitive civilization back there, and, you know, they just.
Barely discovered the wheel and they made these amazing structures in Megalith.
Well, now it turns out that these things run 700 yards beneath the structure.
So that type of construction alludes to a much larger underground base for it.
So, therefore, what we're looking at is an incredible civilization capable of advanced technology, advanced construction that is supposed to not exist.
So, in fact, what we're looking at is a culture in Egypt, which is a legacy culture.
From something much, much older, which is much more sophisticated.
And if anything, as you went along in Egypt, that technology degenerated.
But when you go back to the furthest point, you're looking at a technology that, with our current history, doesn't make sense.
Well, so I'm really excited about this question.
This is the question I've been dying.
Can you give us an idea of what the sleeping prophet Edgar Cayce predicted about the Atlantean Egyptian Hall of Records in Pyramid X beneath the right paw of the Sphinx?
This is it.
Edgar Cayce's Auto-Suggestion Abilities00:02:57
And it's fascinating, too, because Edgar Cayce is that amazing figure that you talked about.
Yes.
And we've done many episodes on Edgar Cayce, who was really a humble.
You know, photographer, he grew up in a farmhouse and he was a Sunday school teacher.
But he had this amazing ability to go into trance and had this retro cognitive ability to go and see the ancient past as well as the future.
So he's referred to as the sleeping prophet because of these trances that he would go into.
Now, there's a lot of people who claim psychic ability, and many people have it that you never even have heard about.
But in the case of Edgar Cayce, what we're looking at is somebody who's the most well documented psychic.
So, this is somebody who came into it through medical readings that he could do this psychic diagnostician work where he would, someone would write him a letter from Miami and he could diagnose them while sitting there in Virginia Beach.
And so he was referred to as the father of holistic medicine because of this incredible background that he had.
And it all happened actually because he lost his voice originally and nobody could do it.
He was an insurance salesman at the age of 19.
He loses his voice, and what happens is nobody can.
Do anything about it, and he has to quit his job and everything.
And a hypnotist suggests, I can give you, you know, a suggestion, an auto suggestion to bring your voice back.
And he tries to hypnotize him, he tries to hypnotize him, it doesn't work.
And then Casey turns around and says, Wait a minute, I think I can do this myself.
I'll do the auto suggestion myself.
So he gives himself the suggestion, and he goes into this deep trance, and he comes out with a deep voice talking to this guy, saying, The problem is that he has a subluxation in his neck.
It's causing his vocal cords to freeze up.
And what he needs to do is see an osteopath.
And after that, word spreads around that this guy has this amazing ability to go into trance.
And with this trance ability, he's able to become this incredible kind of, they call him the miracle man of Virginia Beach.
That's the way that they portrayed him.
But Casey's unusual because he had such a demonstrated record over 40 years of doing this.
And his accuracy in terms of his predictions has that incredible background.
So he's not what you would say is a normal kind of psychic.
In this, he's somebody who really had the ability as a life's calling.
And he struggled with it too because, as a Sunday school teacher, it was frowned upon, especially in the 1920s.
Very much.
But in terms of his Atlantis work, this is what happened.
At a certain point, when people were asking him to go back and look at the ancient past, he went back beyond recorded history and he looked at two groups one he called the Sons of Aemilius, and the other one was the Belial group.
And Aemilius were very advanced technologically, they're the ones who were the legacy culture.
Hidden Symbols in Steganography Codes00:03:54
That's where we get these amazing structures in Peru, these amazing structures at Stonehenge, the amazing structures in Egypt.
And by going into this, he was saying, you know, we're coming back around to a point of advancing technology.
The culture is awakening from a kind of amnesia, and it is recapturing its ancient past.
And part of that recapturing of the past had to do with the Sphinx, because in Casey's work, as we'll discover tonight, what they're finding there between the Cafre pyramid and the Sphinx with that space radar.
Is exactly what he predicted in 1932.
Which is a gigantic, massive hall of records there beneath that Giza complex.
And we'll get into what the records contain as we go along.
Okay, I'll hold off.
Okay, what are the stenography symbols used by ancient mystery schools for thousands of years that reveal a link to the amazing new discovery?
Steganography, this is interesting because we do so much with steganography in the series.
It's the ex steganography series.
And there's a figure back there named Johann Trithemius, and he was an abbot, he was a monk at the age of 21.
And he had these amazing breakthroughs.
And he decided, oh, the church, I'm really going to get burned by the church if I reveal this stuff.
So he learned about something called steganography, which he said he got from the Greeks who wrote, and what it meant was a page within a page.
And inside of those pages, he could be writing a particular thing in code.
And if you were an initiate in the knowledge, you would know how to read it.
So that's where the whole steganography piece comes from.
So we got that.
And as you go back through history, we realized there were a number of ancient symbols that they used.
And when they use these symbols, they are telling you over time, they're passing things down through the mystery school, saying, This is a secret from Egypt, Pythagoras, Greece, and so on.
And they maintain the information.
There's a Russian philosopher named G.I. Gurdjieff, and he always said, You know, there's two things out there when you do this kind of research there's what to do and how to do it.
So, the what to do is, you know, we all know in religious terms and things like that, turn the other cheek and all that kind of thing.
But then there's the how to do it, because how do you actually get the technique to do something on that level?
So the how to do it stays hidden, and the what to do stays right on the surface.
So it's quite interesting in steganography when they pass this down, there are some symbols that come up over and over again that go through all of the cultures.
And one example we're going to use now, I'm going to show this to you, which is an Assyrian image of a figure who is a demon with wings holding a bag.
We can see right up there, this is the figure.
And I'm going to show you now a holy religious savior figure, and he's in a different part of the world.
This guy is Palsicotl, but he's got the handbag.
So the steganography is complete worldwide when, with traditional history, these cultures wouldn't have been talking to each other.
If you're over there in Samaria, you're not talking to the Mayans, and yet the symbol is there.
That is the effect of the schools, the mystery schools in that tradition moving around the planet.
And they've kept that network over time.
And it's interesting because the good guys have it, Quetzalcoatl, who's kind of the hero of the Mayan epics, and the bad guys have it.
So, you know, the demonology and the Babylonian Assyrian thing, they're both holding it.
The question is, what's the steganography of the handbag?
Global Power Grids and Secret Agents00:07:39
Yes.
And, you know, it was funny you were talking about it in terms of like a fashion thing, but it is where we have it.
It hasn't been branded quite yet.
Exactly.
Okay, so what is a two eyed stone or firestone in the Casey psychic readings and how does it fit into the investigation of the Hall of Records?
The two eyed stone, this is the key to what Casey was getting at and what they just discovered with this amazing research of space radar beneath the Khafri Pyramid and the Giza complex.
So, what Casey said is at a certain point, this Atlantean culture reached a technological height.
and basically blew themselves up.
And the crystal power grid network that they had was worldwide.
And so when we see megalith stones in places like Ireland and see them in the Pyrenees and other places, what we're looking at there is an electronic grid, a power grid that ran across the planet.
Now, the problem is in traditional history, you know, they basically give you primitive tribes, prehistoric primitive tribes, moving into some culture and then the Dark Ages, and then you get to us.
And the problem is that there's The technology works backward when you get into the ancient portion.
So, for example, in the Ptolemy version of Egypt, which is around the Roman period, they can't make the pyramids that they make, they are terrible.
They don't have any of the astrological, astronomical alignments that the others do.
So, the older culture is more informed.
So, therefore, you had a high culture, that culture got destroyed, and its remnants come into places like Egypt.
Its remnants come into places like The Inca or the Maya, for example.
And so this is what we're discovering as we've rediscovered the technology.
And it's very interesting because the language that they've used isn't to say, you know, here's the account, here's Atlantis, it blew itself up, we were advanced, but you guys will be advanced and then you'll know what the story is.
They left the message in mathematics and geometry for a culture that would get to that height and then be able to read it again.
So the two eye stone in the Casey work is very interesting because.
In the 1920s, you didn't have people talking about lasers and things like that because they weren't invented yet.
But Casey is saying here that the Atlanteans possessed this two eye, sometimes called it a firestone, and they ran it with their whole culture.
So that was their power grid for the entire culture.
And basically, what it sounds like is very much like we're developing, and so much of our own chipsets and everything else are based on crystal technology.
So, Casey's giving us a glimpse there that this is how they got advanced.
But he said that what they did with the technology originally is they used it as a kind of a spiritual communion.
And so, you know, like you pop open your laptop and you talk to a spiritual master, something like that.
And so the Amelius group used it for high purposes.
And then the Belial group comes in and imitates them and eventually uses it for a warlike technology.
And that's where you get so much of the explosions.
And there are stories back there that don't make a whole lot of sense about, you know, these great battles that took place and fire from the sky and all these types of things.
Even the Atlantis story.
I was just thinking about that.
Yeah.
I mean, this is kind of like a War of the Worlds type scenario.
And when we look at it this way, we have to really imagine that something different was going on there in history.
And so part of this recognition, part of the things we're discovering now and accepting.
Yes, exactly.
And what are they going to do with it?
Because if it shows an advanced culture, they're going to have to rewrite history.
And that's where the work of the mystery schools and Casey and others came in.
They set up the 21st century saying, This is what you're going to rediscover.
And the truth is that the discoveries of this have been heavily suppressed.
They've been working around this since Casey gave those readings in the 1920s and 30s.
So traditional archaeology has been working on it for 100 years, and we haven't heard anything about it.
With that, what do you mean by archaeology wars and why are intelligent agencies in the deep state involved in the quest for ancient artifacts?
Well, it's an interesting thing.
Would you ever think that the NSA or the CIA or the NGA would be interested in ancient artifacts?
It's pretty odd, isn't it?
One of the things we brought to light were a series of intelligence operations that targeted the Casey Foundation.
And they planted people inside the organization, the ARE.
Association for Research and Enlightenment.
And they wanted to find out about the Hall of Records.
They wanted everything that there was to know about it.
So they placed agents in there to get this kind of information.
When I did research on it, I found that intelligence agencies have done everything, funding millions of dollars every year, looking for things like Noah's Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, and things that you would never in a million years assume the intelligence agencies are interested in.
And yet, there's a whole piece about archaeology wars which figures into so much of geopolitics.
Politics that were just not aware of everything from the Baghdad museum looting during the Iraq War.
It's a great example.
And what happens is if you go into history and you look at people like Hitler or Mussolini or some of those types, they were always after this quest for these sacred objects.
They say that Hitler actually went into Austria because he wanted the spear of destiny, which was supposedly the spear that pierced the side of Christ.
During the crucifixion.
So there's a long history of this, and it has to do with the idea that the rulership and the ruling parties and the leadership have occult school connections and that the secret societies guide them.
It's very funny because Rudolf Steiner, who comes up in a lot of the work that we do, is the Austrian kind of genius mystic who set up anthroposophy.
He said that in America in 1925, That the political setup was 80% run by secret societies.
So you can only imagine here we are 100 years later.
It's probably 100% by now.
So understanding what the secret societies are, how the mystery school role plays into this, gives us an idea of why the deep state would be interested in the human origin story and how to manipulate that, but also how to use it.
And this gets into very deep territory because.
We also know that they had things like remote viewing programs, for example.
So, those are psychic spying programs.
And that's a lot of these things that they're working with are exactly what they prefer the public to stay away from.
Yeah, exactly.
But you wouldn't expect it under ordinary circumstances, the interest on the deep state side.
But when you get down to something like the human origin past, well, if they have the Egyptian story and it's all based around the 18th century, I mean, you know, how much rewriting do you need to actually do of history?
NASA, Bimini Coast, and Deep Secrets00:04:20
A ton.
Because the 18th century, we didn't have radar, we didn't have space radar, we didn't have LIDAR, any of those things.
So, in fact, all of that and all the lists of kings and all the things, when you get to Egypt, it's a much older culture.
It's interesting because Casey puts the culture in the pyramid at 10,500 BC and the Sphinx at 10,500 BC.
At 2500 BC.
Well, that's 8,000 years of difference.
So, something has to give in that equation, and it's the establishment that is based around and kind of whitewashing the public with that because they are based on 18th century investigations.
So that's pretty old history.
Somebody's wrong.
I don't think it's Casey.
Okay, what does a NASA scientist, the University of Pennsylvania and the island of Yemeni, have to do with the hidden discoveries of ancient Toei Howard Red?
This is interesting because there was a NASA scientist who took an interest in the Casey readings, and his name originally we thought was William.
Hutton, because he wrote under a pseudonym.
Later, when he retired, he wrote under his real name, John Sutton.
And Wyman Harrison.
This guy was like Casey's readings are so erudite and they're demonstrating such a kind of a level of intensity around engineering that he wanted to test out and see if he built this two eye stone, what would happen with it.
And so he actually developed the model of the two eye stone and he built it as the crystal, blue crystal stone.
And he found that he could find all types of electrical and radial appliances from developing it.
So he had all kinds of technological ramifications from his delivery of this thing.
And he was just using a scale model.
So he worked on it for over 20 years.
And it's quite interesting because the NASA aspect of this was fascinating because his expertise was propulsion.
And he started to realize oh, what you can do with this is use it to make things fly.
And so, this is where Casey's work got scientific validation, which is very hard to get in his era, 1930s.
Well, this guy tripped into it and realized oh, something's going on here with this guy.
And we need to take these readings on a totally different level.
Now, what Casey said about Bimini is really fascinating because the island of Bimini is right off the coast of Florida.
It's actually a half hour off of Florida, it's right there.
And he said, Well, there's part of the group, the Aemilius group, that was advanced in Atlantis.
Their home was right there in Bimini before it went down.
And so the island was called Poseidonia.
And he said, You know, if you're looking, this is rising.
The land is rising off the East Coast.
And he said, If you look in 68 or 69, you're going to see it's coming up.
So he made this prediction in 1940.
So, in 1968, you have these pilots flying over Bimini and they see this massive road off of the coast of Bimini.
And then they realize it's a wall and it stretches for 20 miles.
So, it's an underwater artifact, but we don't have any cultures that supposedly are underwater building things.
So, our traditional history gets thrown out the window whenever you get around Edward Casey.
And the Bimini wall, there's no archaeologists that can explain it, but there it is sitting.
But according to Casey, It's one of those places where this advanced Amelius Atlantis group placed their records.
And so they put their records there in Egypt between the paw of the Sphinx, under the right paw, in Poseidia, Bimini.
It's right off the coast there.
It's where the Bimini Road is.
And then the other places in Yucatan, in Mexico.
So those are the three halls of records.
And according to Casey, they all say the same thing.
And they all have information about the two eyed stone.
So.
The Nightside and Apotheum Experiments00:07:28
This gets us into very deep territory because what we're looking at is advanced technology.
It's ancient advanced technology.
And because these things are coming up and humanity is rediscovering these things, according to the Casey readings, that's because the same type of disaster is being built up.
So basically, if the public doesn't get sharp to these things and realize the nature of what they are and what's going on, that the general culture will just head into.
Earth changes and a kind of disaster.
While the people who are aware of these things can plan for those disasters.
And so we're looking at two different levels of IQ when it comes to this.
One level that is just a traditional thing that you would say, oh, they couldn't do this back 10,000 years ago.
Forget it.
Leave it at that.
Yes.
But the mystery schools, the Casey work, Steiner, they're all saying the same thing.
No, there's an older culture that's advanced.
You're becoming advanced again.
Beware.
You know, you have to become aware of the whole thing.
And that's where you snap out of being a culture with amnesia.
So, what can you tell us about the breakaway group studying ancient DNA and advanced apotheum?
Yeah, the apotheum effect.
We did a whole episode, you and I, a documentary on apotheum.
And apotheum is fascinating because deep, deep in the halls of the NSA, the military, and in the CIA, they study things around the nature of the UFO file.
Psychic development and other things.
Problem that came up for them when they were developing the UFO file was so many things would happen to a person during an experience like that.
Missing time, for example.
Many of the abductions, Dr. John Mack was a Harvard professor who spoke out on this and everybody gave him a hard time back then.
This is about 2005.
He said, Well, the people who come to me and get this kind of therapy about Hypnotic regression relating to UFO encounters and things, they have memories of being abducted through things.
So he started to realize, well, this is not a physical, regular reaction because you can't go through things in ordinary physics.
So the more I tracked those cases, I came up with the term apotheum to describe what was happening there.
Then when you realize, you know, basically what the government does for 80 years and hiding that kind of information is fascinating.
What they're doing is, Yeah, they're hiding it because they're building up advanced technology based on their own discoveries, one.
But two, everyone has assumed that they're hiding an alien culture and they don't want to tell the public because it will upset religion and all the rest.
I don't think so, actually.
I think that they haven't learned how to master that apothegm effect because it almost has like a boomerang quality where it's almost impossible to predict what it will do.
And so that's where the whole X technology piece comes in when you go into.
Further into those experiments in the past that have kept hidden, Thomas Townsend Brown, Nikola Tesla, and others, they're bringing you into a physics level of reality distortion.
So that's why the UFO encounters, you know, when they land, nothing will grow there, for example, or, you know, people have missing time because time disappears.
So there's a whole level of this type of interaction that they need to study Apotheum with intense secrecy.
So that's why they've developed these X Protect.
Things and they kept the secrets around these things for so long that there's no way to come back now to the public and say, Yeah, we used your money, we lied to you, and this is what we did with it.
Well, so what are the night side forces?
Night side forces.
This is interesting because it comes up a lot, and this is something I guess that all of us together can figure out exactly what this is.
So, if you look at the work of Rudolf Steiner, if you look at the work of Casey, H.B. Blavatsky, and others, they all refer to the Belial groups in the past who developed this advanced technology using nightside technology.
And nobody knows what the phrase means, but there's some allusion to the fact in nightside technology that it has to do with the exploitation of solar power.
And that what happens is at a certain point, there's a way to use solar power that enhances a human being's ability to use psychic energy.
And so there's a combination of the sun with psychic energy.
And that what happens in general using night side forces is it corrupts a society.
So it's a, you know, you go from kind of an atomic setup like we have, a nuclear setup, which is a certain type of.
Of corruption in society.
But if you're able to peer into someone's pineal, pituitary, and psychic levels, then you're able to kind of dominate the entire culture.
So the nightside forces are like a kind of mind control.
And they are studied in intelligence agencies because they're so fascinated when they look back to look at these cultures and say, what were they doing with these nightside forces?
And it's funny, when we were looking at the handbag thing with the steganography piece, The other thing that many of those figures hold is a pine cone.
And so the steganography with this is quite interesting because what it relates to is the pineal gland, which anyone who's done any kind of psychic investigation knows, all the psychic work comes out of the pineal gland.
So there's some knowledge back there of exploiting, let's say, the human being.
So we get into things in our own culture, like artificial intelligence, augmented humans.
Neural link, you're getting tied into the Internet of Things.
You're getting thrust into this transhumanist setup.
And so there has to be some kind of ethical conversation in the culture, or else ultimately the technology groups, the ones that use the information and this kind of advanced information from secret societies, they will basically get deep behind somebody's brain and plug themselves in.
And, uh, so it's, it's kind of a crisis in society.
It's not very obvious because people just slip into the technology.
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And of course, you know, I love technology.
I edited a tech magazine for a decade.
And, uh, so I have no problems with technology, but there is a level of the technology and its invasive purposes.
That's where you get the whole night side thing.
It was done once before.
You can speak to that.
Okay.
Well, so what did Casey and the Mystery School say about the manian exotic technology?
And anti gravity airships, and how does this relate to the UFO style?
Well, this is interesting because, really, if you go back there and look at Casey's work on this, he's giving credit to the Atlantean groups for every kind of technological marvel that we possess, but they seem to be even beyond that.
When he's talking about this stuff, though, it doesn't even exist yet.
So there he is looking out into the future and retrocognitively.
Into the past, and he's saying, Oh, the same group of Atlanteans had advanced flight, they had space travel.
I mean, if you were to ask an ordinary person back there, you know, do you think maybe there's a TV show, Ancient Aliens, right?
Well, maybe aliens visited in the ancient past, yeah.
But did we have that technology?
Were we advanced?
I think that's a great gap in our own understanding.
What Casey's saying is we had the technology, we used it, and we got to such a height that we almost destroyed the entire world.
A huge amnesia that takes place after that, and then slowly but surely we come back and remember the technology, how to use it, and now we're basically coming back to facing ourselves again.
So it's an incredible clash, the way he's looking at it.
Now, what's extraordinary when you look at the UFO file is very interesting because when you are talking about the Casey work, the descriptions he gives about the Atlantean airships sound exactly like UFO file technology.
So there's something missing there in the record.
There's a very interesting quote that he gives.
When they say, well, you know, you're talking about these airships that the Atlanteans had, like, you know, what did they do?
Like, how high could they fly?
Give us some details.
And he said, well, not only could they fly, you know, basically for as long as far as they wanted to go, they could fly under the water, they could fly through things.
So there's that whole kind of apothecary piece again coming in.
So therefore, they had those types of abilities 10,000, 12,000 years ago.
It leaves us in a strange place.
So, when you start to get into this whole thing, you know, starting in 1947, humanity starts to know about the UFO file and flying saucers and everything like that, UAP, it's very unusual because here's Casey saying, well, it's an old technology.
As a matter of fact, the best way Casey said he could describe it, he said, well, if you know the Ezekiel story, well, that's Ezekiel looking at one of these Atlantean craft.
But then people did the timing on it.
Ezekiel's 1500 BC, the Atlanteans of 10,000 BC.
Somebody kept the technology 9,000 years in between.
So, who kept it and how did they have it 9,000 years after Atlantis went down?
If we're to trust the accuracy of Casey, he's the foundation of all this, he's saying it's the same thing.
That what Ezekiel sees as those wheels within a wheel is basically an Atlantean craft.
That's an anti gravity that was in our possession as a technology, as a culture, in 10,500 BC.
So, it's a very slippery slope.
For us to keep the old model of humanity.
But it's also a slippery slope to have somebody like an intelligence agency cook up an alternate version of the human origin story, which we do see, you know, all of a sudden with the intelligence agencies wanting to talk about the UFO file.
Yeah.
They have their own version ready.
Here's the real one.
Just in case.
Here's the one.
We have more editing to do.
So, how does our modern world, speaking of, push for human augmentation through everyone knows right now, AI and Neuralink, relate to the disturbing legends of the Atlantean human hybrid, automatons, and a ribbon?
What we have is in Steiner's work and in Casey's work, a real foreshadowing of what's coming in the 21st century for us.
And it's not pretty if it's not done properly.
So, This whole idea of an automaton is literally what you would consider a cyborg, what they're talking about with these robots and all the rest.
Well, it's very interesting because in the Steiner work, he talks about Aramon and the Aramonic influence through technology that will hit in the 21st century.
And the idea is basically to cut you off from your own spirituality and the idea of scientific materialism taking over.
So he traces it all the way back to 1840.
Where a group in Germany came out and said, you know what?
If it can't be measured or weighed, it doesn't exist.
And they became the scientific materialists and dominated throughout Darwin and all that whole period.
So, the religious aspect of this was interesting because the churches and stuff were looking at this and saying, Yeah, this is a problem.
Because, on one hand, you know, they had their own dogmas and everything else, but the scientific materialism completely cut out anything spiritual.
So, the secret societies and the mystery schools, and there are two different kinds, but the ones who were sort of Looking out for the culture and trying to move the culture forward, took a look and said, You know, if we don't let out some of this information that we have, we're not going to recognize humanity in 100 years.
And so, this is what I've called the Mystery School Wars, where some of those groups are like, No, no, keep the secrecy no matter what.
And the other groups were like, No, we have to let it out.
And so, you get a lot of weird things in the 19th century coming out.
Spiritualist movements, Abraham Lincoln was a spiritualist.
President tonight, who spent all of his time and resources trying to find the Mayan link to Atlantis.
So, this whole thing has gone in these political circles for a long time.
And what was taking place in that period was Blavatsky came forward in 1875 and developed Theosophy, brought it over to America.
Theosophy had reincarnation, it had psychic development, life after death, this idea of ascended masters, all these things that just weren't there.
And in the heart of it was the Atlantis story.
So, there was a guy named Ignatius Donnelly, who was a politician, who wrote this incredible book at the same time Blavatsky came out, all about Atlantis.
And so, suddenly, these things were coming into the culture, being placed in the culture to kind of reawaken everyone around this.
And it's very interesting to me because what happens a little while after that is you get the incredible increase around scientific materialism.
So, you know, psychology kicks in to such a level that.
There, there's a number of different schools of psychology, like Carl Jung's psychology versus Freud and all the rest.
Well, I could tell you all about it.
Yes, indeed.
This is the part of the lecture you can take over.
But I will say this that the idea was to get people away from the spiritual thinking.
And because before that, you had new thought, you had all these other things coming in, which are completely look at humanity in a different fashion.
So when you get further along into the 21st century, the thing that we're looking at right now, the idea of augmenting a human so they become superior means you have to implant things in them.
And this is where you get exactly.
And so, you know, Musk and many of these figures who are the leading edge.
On this, they're coming out and saying, Hey, you know, it's for the good of humanity.
Well, there's no doubt that the technology can do good for humanity.
But unfortunately, as we've learned with the leadership structure, it's very often upside down in terms of their ethical values.
Yes.
So if the wrong people get their hands on that technology, we're in the same wreck that Atlantis took place.
So the Atlantis piece comes in strangely here.
And it's like you can start to see the threads laid down by the mystery school saying, Remember this story about.
Your ancient past and you being advanced, but all of that becoming a huge problem.
And the interesting thing about the automatons is it makes a big part of Casey's Atlantis history.
So he's saying, no, no, it's not just that it's coming.
It's that they did it back then already.
And this is kind of a cultural memory that they are able to produce these beings.
And, uh, the idea now, I've seen everything demonstrated from, I did an MIT demonstration for a robot bartender.
And watch the entire thing.
Did he get you some good drinks?
They had a thing, a dial, where he would make good conversation.
I kid you not.
So obviously, we already know the technology is interfering with a number of things.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
And yet, we don't have any idea in general culture that this all took place previously.
Deja vu.
Deja vu.
And so when you go back and look at what's taking place with the space radar that we opened with on this, Well, there's something involved here that I'm referring to as Pyramid X, which is the Hall of Records.
And Pyramid X is beneath that structure of the sphinx.
This is what Casey identified.
We're going to get more into this tonight.
But basically, if humanity gets their hands on that information, then it's very different.
It's a very different paradigm going forward.
And we're not going from the whole civilization started 6,000 years ago in Samaria, we're going a lot further back.
And so that changes things.
That's a consciousness shift.
That I think would be powerful considering where we are at this point in the 21st century, which the future is not looking good.
No.
Could be.
It could be.
Transparency could help.
Okay.
I agree.
Well, that's what you're doing, right?
This is all transparency for everyone.
That's why we're here.
Okay.
Well, so follow up.
What do you anthroposophical teachings of Austrian mystic?
Rural Steiner, you mentioned, and Helena Blavatsky's Theosophy.
Tell us about Atlantis.
This is it because they were laying it out and they were putting it together.
So, in 1909, Rudolf Steiner writes a book and it's called Cosmic Memory.
And the book is all about the fundamental history of Atlantis how it started, how it ended, and how Egypt and the Mayas and the Incas became the legacy cultures.
The follow up on that is the Casey work.
And previous to that is Blavatsky's work.
But they're all saying the same thing.
Casey's the most expansive, I would say, on it.
But here's Steiner saying, you know, at a certain point, this culture became very advanced, but they saw what was happening with the degeneration, the overexposure, and the temptation of the technology.
So they took a thousand of their best people and who they went to Ireland originally to start another civilization.
But eventually, that group were the group that went into Egypt.
And they became.
The legacy culture, Egypt, with the pyramids and everything else.
So Steiner's giving us that hint.
But when you get to Casey, he starts talking about there's a hall of records that's been buried in Egypt under the Giza Plateau that's over 10,000 years old.
Then Casey goes further and says, well, you know, the reason they placed it there was because they were doing archaeology in 10,500 BC.
It was already an ancient sacred spot.
So there's something about the plateau itself that made it ideal for what they wanted to do.
And Casey is saying humanity, by reacquiring information about Atlantis and the Two Eye Stone, is going to come back into a knowledge, a memory of this whole thing.
And Steiner is basically telling us well, you're looking at a culture where if you go into Atlantis, they were so spiritually evolved.
But because the spiritual evolution that they had took place under the Amelius group, the other group that was the Belial group that imitated them.
Imitated their achievements and things, but used the technology that they were using to contact the outer spheres, the saintly realm, and that they had developed this for.
They were using the technology for a totally different purpose.
And that's where they actually originally split the islands into three islands and then caused volcanic eruptions.
You know, this is where the whole apotheum thing comes from.
Because whatever took place in Atlantis, and I can tell you, I've talked to the best researchers, the best scientists, Graham Hancock, you know, Robert Schock, and others.
They say what had to have been a comet, it had to have been a pole shift, something devastating on that line.
But Steiner says, no, it's not.
It's not any of those.
It is using the Atlantean technology and setting off a destruction.
So, the equivalent of us setting off our own nuclear disaster.
And the remnants after the fact, what would happen to this culture?
Well, I mean, People do a great job with the thing that they do, but they don't know.
You know, most of us don't know how the technology works.
Most of us don't know how the cars work or the planes work or anything.
So, if the society gets wiped out on that level, what will happen?
It'll go back into a kind of a primitive state again.
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And there'll be a memory of when these things could have been done.
Now, it's been popularized here and there science fiction, Planet of the Apes, or whatever.
But I think there's a root idea there in the subconscious of humanity that something went terribly wrong.
That's where the echoes, because remember, the whole Atlantis story is based on Plato's account.
Plato's saying, he's not saying, Oh, I wrote this.
He's saying, I got this through a relative who had been to Egypt and talked to the Egyptian priests.
And it's a true account that 9,000 years before I'm writing, all these Atlantean things took place.
And then the Atlanteans were taken out by the gods, basically.
They disappeared in one day and one night, but they were the height.
Culture.
Well, 9,000 years before Plato, it's basically 9500 BC, Casey says 10,000 BC.
These things link up, they add up when you are looking at a kind of a clairvoyant version of this.
And then Plato is basically a teacher.
So he's giving you a historical account based on someone he knew who went and talked to the priests in Egypt.
So it's not that.
It's some story that somebody made up.
He's not giving us a story.
He's giving us a history.
So we have that.
And in all of the accounts, when you get into the Mayan story or our story of the flood or any of these things, there's an account of a great destruction back there and a small group that survived.
So it looks like we're kind of heading into the possibility of that happening again.
And I think that's where all the mystery school information has come out, let's say over the past 150 years or so.
Because before that, if you talked about those things, you'd pretty much be burned at the stake.
You keep the rest of the world.
So, you know, for me, I guess the best answer to that is Steiner and Blavatsky adding another layer.
And it's all about humanity awakening in this period to that sort of spiritual side mixed.
It's like a spiritual science.
So you're scientifically advancing, but you're taking your spiritual side with you.
And Steiner's version of the harmonic force is that it splits, it's all technology.
And it's interesting because.
Steiner at one point tried to do a sculpture of this Armand figure.
And as he was doing it, this is a very logical guy.
I mean, you know, Steiner created anthroposophy, he created biodynamic farming, he was a genius.
But he said while he was working on it, he felt like he was embedded in concrete so that he got heavier and heavier and realized he had to like finish it quickly.
And the image that he captured is pretty ghastly.
But as he tuned into this thing, he was like, He got more and more information about it.
And he saw that it was a purely scientific technological force that was happy to control humanity.
And that humanity ran the risk of losing their own spiritual evolution by engaging with this.
And so his warning is very interesting.
What I said about Steiner is kind of fascinating because I think Steiner spent four decades trying to warn humanity.
And, you know, when you read his stuff, It's chilling because he's got the internet in there.
He's got the technological surrender in there.
He's writing the headlines 100 years ago.
How does that work?
He was waiting for you to find them.
Exactly.
So, what is it that you refer to the Giza Gate and who is suppressing important discoveries in Egypt right now?
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Right now.
Right now.
It's happening now.
Actually, there's a news story from today suppressing the story.
So, you're exactly right.
Here's the thing here's why I call it Giza Gate.
And it's a very interesting, winding labyrinth of a story, but I'll try to sum it up this way.
You can do it.
There's a group in America who supports the Casey research work, and they support And spend lots of money on archaeological digs in places like Egypt to prove Casey's theories.
So, one of the things that they did is they put two very interesting people through college and placed them in Cairo to be their men in Cairo who would get the real story for them so it would support Casey's work and his predictions and all the rest of it.
One of those characters was Zahi Hawass, the other one was Mark Lehner.
Lehner, by the way, is retired now.
He's over at BU, he has an office over there.
Lehner was a high school dropout.
And the Casey Foundation was like, you know, you're very interested in this stuff.
We think you'd be good.
They put him through college, they did the whole thing.
Hawass also had kind of an unsteady educational background, and the Casey Foundation said, we'll put you through Cairo University, University of Pennsylvania, all these other places.
So they did, they paid for it.
So these guys go over there.
They know all about the Casey readings.
They've spent time, they're close to the Casey family.
They go over there in the 1990s and they become kind of the big shots.
They control the Giza Plateau, they rise in the ranks.
Little by little, they start making it very difficult to do digs anywhere around the Sphinx or the pyramid, and they publicly trash the theories that Casey has put out about Atlantis and all the rest.
They're like, there's no evidence of an ancient culture.
Forget about it.
What happens is, Hawass joins the Mubarak government and they make him the Minister of Antiquities.
He throws all of these archaeologists out and he starts doing these deals where they're million dollar deals with National Geographic and all the rest, where he invites them in to look at this and, like, he's the curator.
They do all these stories about him as Indiana Jones and all this stuff.
In the meantime, Lehner is saying, Oh, yeah, all the Casey stuff was wrong and, you know, it's traditional dating, it just, you know, the pyramids.
2500 BC and there's nothing here, nothing to look at.
Now, there's a geologist who's also from BU, Robert Schock, who's a great researcher.
And he realized that there was a weathering pattern on the Sphinx that was rain based.
It was a water weathering pattern.
The problem is there hasn't been rain in Egypt since 10,500 BC.
You have to go all the way back there to get it.
So he's like, the weathering pattern shows the Sphinx, the age of the Sphinx is 10,500 BC.
And then he said, I don't know anything about Edgar Cayce or whatever, but I can tell you for sure that this is it.
So, this is the battle that's gone on for 20 years.
And a number of people have been involved Robert Bavall, Graham Hancock, and others.
And they always had this iron gate to go up against trying to get more information about Casey's Hall of Records.
Now, that group, Lehner and Hawass, know all about the Hall of Records.
They know all about the Casey readings.
And they even get the Casey Foundation, even though they publicly trash Casey, to continue to fund digs.
Around the Sphinx and all the rest.
The thing that they've done with the information is they've searched for the artifacts.
This is part of the archaeology wars.
They've looked for all the records.
They've looked for the Atlantean stuff.
They have not shared it with the ARE, with the public, or anything.
These are the Casey Foundation people.
They put them there.
And what I think is fascinating about these guys is they're still not Laner anymore.
He's not around active.
But Hawass, he's the first guy who came out and said, The space radar story can't be true.
Egyptians built this pyramid.
It's not based on an ancient culture before the Egyptians.
And he's the one who's coming out and saying, I'm going to push back against these other scientists that are coming out against this.
So there's an incredible block there.
But if you look at the Mubarak government, you know, Mubarak, he was in prison for many years for all the corruption.
And he took Hawass into his cabinet.
And Hawass, they had a number of cases against Hawass, bribery, and all these other things.
So, you have a very corrupt situation there managing this ancient artifacts and the ancient civilization and the human origin story.
So, that's a big problem.
And I think it goes deep.
And I think that they need characters like that to deflect the public around what the actual age of the Sphinx and the Pyramids are.
With the space radar story, which remember that story only came out about 10 days ago.
Yeah.
That story is going to be undeniable scientific fact for this.
These people over here who are controlling access and maybe have been digging for that Casey information and digging for this stuff for their own governments, for their own corruption, I can't tell you how much money is in archaeology.
If you could go back and find King Tut's tomb back in the day, that became this incredible thing.
But every discovery of a temple or whatever it happens to be is television specials, books, and everything else.
So there's a whole system that feeds itself on keeping that story going.
And if you can't, if the kind of third rail is talking about Atlantis or Casey or any of that stuff, you can't go near it.
Because you've built up this whole scientific thing.
If you start talking about there's a civilization back there and it was more advanced than we are, that's a real big problem.
And we all know egos.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That's Keyesagate because they're Casey people.
And it's funny because tonight I brought the book that Lena wrote about Casey and all of records.
And I'll show that to you when we're done.
But, you know, just to show that these people know all about, you know, oh, Casey's supposed to be some far out guy who's like, you know, some crazy psychic predictions.
Forget about it.
And yet, there they are being funded through universities going there on Casey scholarships and trashing his work in the meantime.
So, that for me is Giza Gate.
There's a lot of corruption levels going on there.
And those two people should be called out professionally for taking the money on one side and biting it on the other.
And they're very happy to trash his work.
It's amazing.
Take money, but your work is wrong.
Well, what's interesting to me in particular with Lehner is that Shock, who's in a different profession, he's a geologist.
So you can't, with your Egyptian history, deny his scientific dating of something because he's the geologist.
He knows what the date would be, he knows what the rain pattern of the weathering on the Sphinx is.
So, you know, for me, that's a dramatic thing that they were just blocking them and using their position to keep.
That story out because it supported Casey's version of the story, and you can't talk about Casey's version of the story.
Or else.
Okay, so you said that many prominent political, historical figures, and celebrities have been deeply involved in the search for Atlantis.
Who are some of the main people involved?
This is fascinating because it seems to be something transferred over time among groups, literary groups.
Sometimes political groups, celebrities, celebrities.
John Lennon bought lots in the Atlantic Ocean because he believed, based on the Mystery School work, that land was rising.
And if that land rises, then it's in international waters, it's anyone's nation.
Ernest Hemingway, we did such a thorough episode on the Hot Zone and Ernest Hemingway.
And Hemingway's job for a while there was scouting all that between Bimini and Cuba.
And Ernest Hemingway's brother, he creates, he buys a lot near Jamaica in the ocean, and he creates the New Atlantis with a flag and with a constitution and the whole bit.
So there's an awareness, there are breadcrumbs, there's like footprints of this group over time.
One of the people who you might be surprised, you've never heard of probably, who was Vice President of the United States under Calvin Coolidge in the 1920s, his name was Vice President Dawes.
That's him there in Panama.
And what do you think he's doing in Panama?
He's on a mission.
He is searching.
He's searching.
He's searching for Atlantis, which he did for a decade.
And this is one of the guys who set up the Federal Reserve.
He's a very deep player.
And there are articles in the New York Times, Washington Post, and all the rest, all about his travels and his obsession with Atlantis.
And he was going to be the president, in fact, in 1928.
But there was the whole thing about the Depression and everything else.
So he never got to run.
But there you have the presidential level.
If you look at Henry Wallace, who's the vice president under FDR, he's a theosophist, one.
Two, he's on a search for Atlantis because he's realized that the Mayan language is so similar to the Egyptian language.
And so there's this thread in politics through the secret societies and through these other groups like we were talking about.
I think Dawes is particularly interesting because one of the things that he did when he wasn't satisfied after a 10 year search.
Was he petitioned the Vatican Library for all their information around Atlantis?
And he sent a Yale researcher in there to get that information, and we never got anything from his report of what happened.
But obviously, there's some understanding that the Vatican archives hold the key to Atlantis.
And it's funny, this is how I'll back that up.
We did a whole section in our last Hacking Atlantis episode, you and I, on Paulina Zelitsky, who was this very fascinating Russian oceanographer.
Who went to Cuba and then defected to Canada, and she found a whole underground, underwater city off Cuba.
Well, it's very interesting because she wrote a book as a follow up just recently called Dog Days in Cuba.
And she had to put it all in mythical terms about this dog who wanders around Cuba.
But one of the things the dog observes is that in 1998, the Pope comes to Cuba, which is true, of course, it happened in real life.
But he comes apparently because Castro tells him, I found Atlantis off the coast, and I want you, with your Vatican library information, to cross reference what I've found with what you have in the Vatican.
And she wrote the book as this kind of pseudo fairy tale.
And yet she was there, she was in Cuba, she's the one who found the city, and she probably is still under a gag order, not being able to say anything about it.
After all, she spent time in a Mexican prison for 30 days when they were trying to intimidate her.
To get her away from her studies there when they had originally called her in, and Castro had hired her to find Spanish galleons.
And Spanish galleons is basically a keyword for hey, we're looking for ancient ruins off there in the Bahamas.
And, you know, Spanish galleons is the kind of catch all term because then nobody knows what you're looking for, therefore they're not on your tail.
30 days in prison.
Oh, yeah, they intimidated her pretty well.
So much so that when I offered her the chance to be interviewed and talk about all this, she said, I'm not sure that you can change what's going on there at the cover.
And I said, Well, you're an important voice.
And archaeology dropped the ball because when you discovered this city off the coast of Cuba, because it was a Cuban story, it hit everywhere.
And so nobody could deny the story.
The only thing they could do.
Is get you out of the picture to get rid of the story.
And then archaeology, they didn't, you know, they were instructed, don't go into this.
But it's very clear of what she found.
So these are the ruins now, taking a look at here, of what she found off the coast of Cuba.
Now, I don't think there's anything that you can say in terms of history that would allow for those types of ruins being off the coast of Cuba.
And she said when she sent the submersibles down, what they found were hieroglyphs.
And the reporter asked her, what kind of hieroglyphs?
And she said, Mayan hieroglyphs.
So there's an older Mayan culture off the coast of Cuba, which is right there in that hot zone area.
Well, what else is in the hot zone area?
How far is Bimini from Cuba?
They're very close, they're less than an hour away from each other.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
By boat.
So, you know, you're talking less than 90 miles.
Therefore, That Cuban find, the Pope coming in, all these things about Zelitsky, is a gigantic story and supports the other half of what Casey was saying, which is there's a Hall of Records, there's a Poseidon Hall of Records off the coast of Bimini, and that that all extended out off to Cuba.
That's the Hot Zone area.
So the ruins, therefore, are rising.
Our technology is rising with the space radar, which is how we got the Giza find.
At a certain point, it's going to be indisputable, and then what?
You're going to need a different human origin story.
So, the question is whose human origin story are you going to get?
Are you going to get one based on the evidence or are you going to get something else?
So, this stuff is still a surprise.
The cover up.
Yes.
So, National Geographic doesn't want anything to do with it.
But there it is.
And, you know, the whole thing about her company being hired by Castro, the background of it, it's indisputable.
Pyramids, Human Fathers, and Cover-Ups00:07:52
So, therefore, They just are avoiding it to avoid it because whoever is actually doing the research, um, that's a different story because obviously somebody is researching, yes.
Who are these figures in the Casey and Steiner Mystery School cosmology that we've been talking about, like Rata for the first one?
Okay.
So Rata's a high priest who comes into Egypt and is the intermediary with the Atlanteans and sets up the Giza Plateau.
And what he does is they design the Great Pyramid.
And designing the Great Pyramid, they use archaeoastronomy.
They use Mathematics, they use geometry in order to make it a tremendous time capsule.
And, you know, it was asked of Casey once there's this whole thing about pyramid predictions.
Are there predictions in the pyramid?
And he said, Yeah, if you know how to read it in the language of mathematics and geometry, you can read it down to the detail of people who will show up in history, down to the family last name and the address of the street that they grew up on.
Obviously, The pyramid is not a tomb for some pharaoh somewhere.
It does something totally different, which is not very clear exactly what that is, but it's something else.
Now, Rata is part of the saving the records that are coming from Atlantis, and they set up the Sphinx to put the Hall of Records beneath in a pyramid.
Now, the pyramid, I'm calling the pyramid Pyramid X, just because we do hex steganography.
Steiner and Casey refer to this pyramid, but Casey goes even further.
He says the Hall of Records is in a pyramid.
And it is between then the Sphinx and the river, and the Paw is the entryway for it.
So, what they've done is they focus so much on the Paw and, you know, in the Egyptian antiquities, they've done a lot of things around there.
But of course, if you remove certain things, that whole thing could collapse.
That's their excuse.
So, my guess is they're doing tons of research in relation to that.
But here's Casey saying what it is, the Hall of Records is in a pyramid.
That's what it is.
It's a buried pyramid.
Now, Casey got a lot of support, interestingly enough, because when they discovered Gobekli Tepe, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey is dated by traditional archaeology, it's 12,000 years ago.
It's a full megalithic setup.
And now it's on the record.
So, Casey, back in the day saying the pyramids are 12,000 years old, had no support because everyone would look around and say, well, there's nothing.
Advanced in that period.
Now there's Gobekli Tepe, which is pretty damn close to Egypt in Turkey.
So, therefore, you have things happening there in history that are showing that Casey's recollections, reflections on this are correct.
So, Rata is that high priest, and it's very strange because as Casey describes him, and this is part of the cosmology, I suppose, he says, well, he was without human father.
So, he's something else.
We don't know.
What he was referring to.
And people speculate is he Nephilim?
Is he an alien?
What is he?
Well, whoever Rata was in the readings, he doesn't have a human father.
So is he a product of controlled genetics?
I don't know.
But he's a key figure in all of this.
So interesting.
Okay, well, so what about Amelius?
Amelius is.
Very interesting.
He is the character in Atlantis.
He's kind of like the Christ figure in Atlantis.
And there's a lot of correlation that Casey makes about Christ and Aemilius.
But what I can say about Aemilius is that he's the one who sets the tone for Atlantis becoming an advanced technological civilization with a high ideal.
And it is the Belial group that imitates what Aemilius can do, but they take the same technology that Aemilius uses.
To, you know, they train priestesses, they communicate with the saintly realm and what Casey calls the outer spheres.
Well, the Belial group basically studies Amelius, imitates him, and takes the same information and uses it for a domineering technology.
And so you get these two applications of technology in the Casey story.
So Amelius, I guess, would be the Christ figure, and Belial is kind of like Satan, basically.
And they are archetypal for sure.
Next question.
What is the Poseidon Temple and is the Bimini Wall evidence of the Bahamas Hall of Records?
Yeah, this is fascinating.
Poseidia is what Casey referred to.
It's kind of like the New York or the Paris of Atlantis, it's the center core, but it's the stronghold of the Amelius group.
That is the area there in the Caribbean.
So you've got the whole Hot Zone area, you've got Cuba, you have Bimini in the Bahamas, and so many strange things happen there.
Not only is it a major UFO sighting hotspot, so common that they call them fireflies down there, but you have the thing with the spinning compasses, of course, Bermuda Triangle is close by.
All of that stuff, the magnetic anomalies, apparently relate to the fact that this 2I stone was there on Poseidia.
And Poseidia, at a certain point, turned the crystal 2I stone too high, and it took the island down.
That's the story in the Casey Reed.
So, it's very strange that we get all these magnetic anomalies there now because, again, you get this impression of, you know, there's something still happening there that is creating this kind of apothecary magnetic effect.
So, that still, even all these years later, you know, you get missing planes, missing boats, you know, all these things that have happened there in that period.
And it's all due to this kind of anomaly.
I remember talking to a guy who was the captain of a ship.
In that area.
And I talked to a lot of people off the record because if they talked about the hot zone, according to the military, they can be court martialed.
So, what he said was that they were doing a routine, like a drug patrol there in that area, and that at a certain point, a huge thing showed up in front of him that was like a gigantic obelisk, basically.
And this is very interesting because there's something down there called Autech, which is basically like the underwater Area 51.
And they are on an island called Andros, which is right off Bimini.
So it's all taking place right there.
So there's a gigantic military presence down there, and they are practicing very different experimental underwater things.
So I found that interesting.
One of those guys who left Autech came out and said, I was there at Autech at a certain point.
I was on, you know, doing kind of a patrol around that area.
And then suddenly a landmass showed up on our radar, an entire landmass.
And he said, Well, you know, I'm a radar expert.
I know what a landmass looks like.
And he said, You know, and when they asked him, Was it a ship?
Akashic Records and Reincarnation Patterns00:14:58
Was it something else?
He said, No, it's a landmass.
So there was a landmass that appeared for him.
And he's come out now and talked about this publicly.
So, how does that add up in any of the things that we're talking about?
Well, there's something strange about the area generally, but the idea that a landmass could appear and then disappear on radar shows you that there's either some kind of electronic technology, a portal, whatever it happens to be.
And you've got the American government running the most secret underwater program, A U T E C Autech, right there, a stone's throw from Bimini.
So they're working with it, whatever it happens to be.
And that guy from Autech doesn't know what it was.
I can't tell you what it was.
Yet, here we go again.
You're right around where Casey said, Well, there's a Poseidon temple down there.
So there's an intrigue with it.
There's not a lot of explanations.
TBD, hopefully.
How does the Casey Steiner belief in reincarnation relate to the retrocognition and rediscovery of our ancient past in Atlantis?
Well, this is really an interesting thing when we think about it on the reincarnation side, because some people believe in it, some people don't, but it has crept into culture over, say, the past 100 years or so.
And there was no, unless you were in India or somewhere on that side of the world, over here in America in the 1800s, it didn't come up.
The Theosophical Society and H.P. Blavatsky came over from Russia.
She had studied in Tibet at these mystery schools and went to Egypt and then came over here working with a mystery school to do this Theosophical teaching in America.
And reincarnation was at the heart of what she was saying.
And the idea is you know, you come back in a different lifetime, you do different things.
And when you come in, you come in with a particular talent, like somebody like Mozart.
The reason he's so great at four years old is probably because he did this before.
And there are reincarnation patterns.
So then you get to Steiner's work and he talks about reincarnation and he says Alexander the Great was Thomas Jefferson.
And he says John the Baptist was Raphael.
And he shows the archetypes of these individuals coming back and embodying in these different lives different things, different qualities, but they are kind of these legendary figures.
But everyone reincarnates because the idea is in the mystery school literature of Casey, Steiner, and the like, when you leave this life, you go through different planetary sojourns around this system, and you don't have a physical body.
You take on the elements that are in that system, and you go through Venus, Mercury, and all the rest.
Then you bring all that back to your life here.
So that's reincarnation.
Now, one of the things I found interesting in the heart of that is Casey saying, well, In the memory of these people that are coming in now from Atlantis, they remember the technology.
So, the things that we're going to be discovering are actually rediscoveries.
And when we get into rediscovering, we're rediscovering the scientific aspect, the psychic aspect, all these other pieces.
So, you're getting the good part and you're getting the bad part.
The same temptation.
But what happened the last time was the Belial group and the Amelius group fought, and the Belial group won, but they destroyed Atlantis and almost the whole planet.
So, as these people come back in, it's very interesting because I read an intelligence study where they go back and regress individuals and they started to do reincarnation regression on people to say, can I do this past life regression and get this certain amount of details out of them?
And nobody thought anything of it with the Central Intelligence Agency because they were like, well, it's another one of these weird things that they're doing.
Well, if you take the Casey information and you really spread it out, what you're looking at is they're probing the unconscious minds of these people to say, What is it that you could do in that lifetime?
So, the reincarnation thing is a big jump for, you know, you don't have to believe in reincarnation to understand these things at all.
And yet, it's a tool employed heavily by Casey and others to go back through these lives.
So, when Casey gives 900 readings on Atlantis over a 40 year period, and the story is very consistent.
It's very strange.
And they asked him once, Where are you getting the information for this?
And he said, From the subconscious mind of the person who's asking for it.
So, in your subconscious, you already know the information about this lifetime and the things that took place there already in there.
So, you know, if you were there during the Atlantean destruction, it's there as an unconscious, a cultural memory.
And so you have the good side studying that, let's say, on the mystery school side, they're trying to move the culture forward with it.
But you have things like intelligence agencies and secret societies studying it to get that information.
So I guess you could say things like what we were talking about with Neuralink and other things become dangerous in that context because they're kind of sucking up these unconscious memories.
And I think that there's a level there to penetrate about how do these groups get this information?
Yeah.
If it's true.
And like I said, you don't have to accept reincarnation, but if it's true.
And you have lived through it and it was advanced, then somebody has the ability to take that from your unconscious.
So I think it represents a kind of a danger in that sense.
There's a rediscovery on one hand, so it's very important for us to say, well, we've been through this before.
But on the other hand, someone else can also gleam information from that.
So the reincarnation thing, I think, is quite fascinating.
What's interesting to me is the consistency in mystery school teachings about who was reincarnated as.
For example, both Casey and Steiner say that Alexander the Great was Thomas Jefferson, or they say that John the Baptist was Raphael.
Well, think about John the Baptist and then his life as John the Baptist, and then Raphael comes in and creates this whole Renaissance in art.
It's very interesting to me how that could play a major role if people understood it.
But we have it kind of like reincarnation is sort of commercialized right now.
And so people, I think, largely dismiss it.
And yet I think it's a crucial core element in the Mystery School work.
So I would call it very important to get to the root of that.
And certainly it's very important in both of their teachings.
Absolutely.
What are the Akashic records and esoteric teachings, and what is the cycle of destruction?
This is interesting because, again, we're finding some kind of Eastern concepts in the mystery schools, but these are Western mystery schools.
So, apparently, in the tradition on the Western side, they had things like reincarnation, they had things like the Akashic record.
And the Akashic record is interesting because the idea is that it's a chronicle of everything that's ever happened to human life.
And that basically it's written on the scheme of time and space, and that it can be tapped into.
It's very interesting.
There's an inventor, and many important inventors came to Casey during his lifetime, including Edison, Tesla, and others.
The Tesla reading disappeared, by the way.
But the scientist came in and said, You know, you've talked about these Akashic records, and if you read the Akashic records, you can go back in time, and you can, you know, if you're clairvoyant, you can see things that happened.
In ancient Persia or the Phoenicians, the Egyptians, whatever it happens to be.
And here's Casey going through that and looking at Atlantis going that far back.
So, this retro cognition that he has as a psychic, he's looking back over that past.
But Akashic comes again out of the Eastern tradition.
They understood that it's played out there.
And so the guy is asking Casey this question.
He says, Can you create a machine that can read these things?
And Casey said, Oh, Easy, easily, you could do it.
And he lays out in a reading how to formulate reading the Akashic Record with a technological machine.
So you can see that there's something about this idea.
Now, whenever you get into levels of the mystery schools and the figures like Gurdjieff, Steiner, Blavatsky, and others, they all talk about the Akashic.
Records.
So obviously, it's something that they're aware of that throughout history, there's a way to tune in to those things and actually read them.
And what's funny is Casey mentions well, there's a number of people in our ancient past who could read the records.
Plato was one of them.
And part of his knowing the Atlantis story is him tapping into this.
So that is a leap into kind of a clairvoyant vision.
But again, the mystery schools.
They brought over meditation.
They brought over concepts, life after death, and things of this nature, because the Western tradition was absent.
In the Christian tradition, you didn't have reincarnation.
Life after death was resurrection, or purgatory, or heaven, whatever it happened to be.
So this is a little different.
And it's saying no, in the original Christian mysticism, you had all these things.
They were taken out at a certain point.
But this is where the mystical aspect shares something.
In common with the Eastern schools, where it wasn't taken out.
Of course, in the Eastern schools, reincarnation went all over the top when it was like, oh no, this person did something bad.
They reincarnated as a bulldog.
A fly.
Yeah.
But the true term around reincarnation is no transmigration.
You're a human and you go through different stages.
That's what it's about.
So I think looking where the Western mystery tradition takes us is important because apparently that's how we can reincorporate the mystical side of this into this culture.
Because otherwise, you've got a Christianity that's cut off from things of this nature.
I know there's a lot of Christian teachings that would think something like reincarnation is a kind of blasphemy.
And yet, it comes out in all kinds of different early Christian work that there's reincarnation there.
It has to be removed at a certain point.
And so the mystery schools maintain the tradition.
So, in fact, the mystery schools have mystic Christianity and they have mystic Buddhism.
They're two different levels.
What is the Piri Reis map, and how did an ancient culture map out of the globe without space satellites?
This is going to get us really to kind of the climax of this.
So, the Piri Reis map is from 1502.
It's from Admiral Piri Reis, it's a Turkish admiral.
And it was involved, by the way, in a major American power struggle.
President Eisenhower tried to get the map from Spain.
And he spent six years to get it and he got it.
But Spain wanted to keep it.
So Admiral Piri said.
This is my map.
By the way, I didn't make this map.
This map comes from an ancient monastery.
The problem for historians with the Pyrrhus map is that it shows Antarctica with no ice on it, one.
So it shows the whole landmass underneath Antarctica without the ice.
And then it shows the entire world like you'd snapshot it from a satellite.
So, how does Admiral Pyrrhus in 1502 get a space satellite shot?
You know, the map is authenticated.
Everyone knows what it is.
And he says, Well, the monastery that I got it from, they go all the way back to 3000 BC.
So he got it from an ancient monastery.
Somebody was keeping that.
This is again the mystery school tradition of holding the technology and passing it down.
But somebody was in possession of that.
Now, when you get into things like the Nazca Lines in Peru, we only discovered the Nazca Lines in Peru because we got flight.
After the Wright brothers, and then we were flying over these planes, and then we're seeing all these images waving back at us.
So, if we hadn't done it, we never would have seen them.
Nobody can see them from the ground level because of the way they're done.
So, it's basically like a South American airport, but it's ancient.
And that's not ancient aliens, that's an advanced technology that we were in possession of at a certain point.
That's why, in my opinion, When you put those things together about ancient flight, you go directly back into the Casey readings, and he says the Atlanteans cracked anti gravity.
Well, anti gravity is the heart of the problem that we get around the UFO thing because they're anti gravity.
And all the studies in the 50s and 60s that had to go underground and all the rest, and that we never hear anything about, T.T. Brown and all the rest of it, those people are like, we don't know how they're working, but they have anti gravity.
CERN's Occult Wing and God Particles00:05:06
Well, this is an old, rediscovered technology, and we definitely have antigravity now.
And the question is whenever we see these things, who's operating them?
Well, it's not always somebody else, right?
We've cracked it to a point where we're looking at something that we can operate.
So there's a tremendous crisscross at this point in history between the ancient advancements in the past, which can be proven through things like the Pyrrhus map or the Nazca lines, and the technology that went black.
Under the US government starting in the 1950s.
So basically, the key to the whole thing is the technological advancement.
And this is the nature of the problem.
When did it start?
It's a lot older.
It's not new.
Okay, so how does CERN play a role in all of this then?
Well, this is fascinating because CERN, now, they did the Hadron Collider, the Large Hadron Collider.
In Switzerland.
And a CERN is quite interesting because it's sort of a breakthrough between modern technology and ancient technology.
But what it was set up for was set up by these scientists to find the God particle.
It had a $21 billion budget, which is very strange in any scientific circle.
So people started to wonder immediately is there some military purpose behind it?
And I dug into CERN and the Collider and found very odd things, including the fact that they had a huge scandal there.
For doing an occult ritual.
That got caught on camera in front of CERN.
And the Hadron Collider becomes this thing that's sort of worshipped in these scientific circles because they're worshipping this incoming of a communication from another dimension.
Technically, CERN is set up to find the God particle.
Higgs boson is what they call it.
But with that big budget, everyone assumed something else was going on.
And so then they started to create papers about it and saying, no, you know, all those rumors are false.
There's nothing strange going on.
We're just looking for the Higgs boson.
But then they found it.
So technically, you'd think, okay, their work is moving on to something else.
This thing about particle colliding is quite fascinating.
Deep, deep in the literature, if you look into it, these scientists say we're trying to contact another dimension through CERN, through the Hadron Collider, in fact.
So, they've mapped out gigantic tunnels there in France, Switzerland, and other places.
And they are using this as a gigantic particle smasher.
Somehow, in the middle of all that, they recreate the conditions, they say, of the Big Bang.
And so then the whole concept of strangelets came up.
And this is interesting.
A group of scientists sued CERN because they said your Higgs boson particle smashing experiments can release strangelets.
And guess what?
Strangelets can form black holes.
And if you form a black hole, you can suck up a country, or, you know, it's a big problem basically to create a black hole.
So they sued them, and then they tried to find out who owned CERN and who was actually doing this.
And they found out that CERN was a sovereign country, and that the way it was set up was very much like Vatican City or something like this.
There was no way to sue them, they are their own independent thing.
So, digging in a little deeper on CERN gets us into occult territory because there's a whole occult wing inside of CERN which thinks that they can use the technology to interact with beings, intelligences that are on a different dimension, literally.
So, that's very much like the Two Eye Stone in that sense.
And you can see that the CERN Hadron Collider.
Is sort of Atlantean style technology.
It's also very innovative, kept very tight and underground, and has a funny sort of thing.
They had Tom Hanks start it up.
He was like, hey, I'm going to start it up.
It's CERN, Large Hadron Collider.
I'm going to flip the switch.
They have their PR thing, but it's a very strange project, highly funded.
And now other countries are looking at CERN and trying to develop their own, saying, we think it's a weapon.
It actually has a weapons use.
So, uh, I think when we're talking about technology that is kind of a spiritual technology that could be misused, CERN is a good modern example.
Khufu's Repository and Underground Structures00:09:01
That's so interesting.
And the PR, I'm sure they brought in.
Oh, yeah.
Tom Hanks likes it.
Well, so why do you think ancient Egypt was chosen as the main place to hold humanity's sacred secrets?
And why did the Inlandian initiates place the records there in the first place?
This is really the heart of the problem when it comes to Egypt because it holds so much.
Of the focus of the ancient past, and in the mystery schools, it's a major center.
What's interesting that I find when talking about Egypt is that Casey said when this group in 10,500 BC was looking for a place as a repository for these records for humanity's future, that they were doing archaeology to do that.
So the plateau in Egypt is so old.
A whole history in Theosophy that says in 50,000 BC, there was a temple of Isis on the plateau.
It was inundated, and then the culture came back.
So there's something very old and strange about this, but it obviously is a major center.
You know, you have all these power spots around the world, like so many people talk about Sedona, Arizona, for example.
And they are places that are identified as power spots by these mystery schools, probably based.
On a kind of magnetic profile as a center for universal activity.
But Egypt, really, if you think about it, is the instigator of our own culture because they're the first civilization.
Sumeria is an earlier civilization, technically, but in Casey's work, it's Atlantis with Egypt that is the first major culture, the first major legacy culture.
So Egypt has a lot, you know, we're learning a lot from that lesson.
It was the center, the focal point.
And I believe that on the mystical side, obviously, the great achievements there, that the pyramid became a center for the initiates to do the mystery school initiations.
And so, supposedly, in the pyramid are all those symbols.
One of the symbols, if you go into the pyramid, into the king's chamber, is an empty sarcophagus.
So, the idea is the realization when you get to that level is no more death.
Death is understood.
Fear, there's no, you know, you understand it from a spiritual interface level.
So, when we go into the pyramid, just to say briefly, the most advanced mathematics anywhere, the base of the pyramid is 365.24, which is exactly our calendar year run.
So, it's based on such a deep wisdom and a knowledge of.
Numerology, you know, geology, that I think it's still the repository, the reflection of a very advanced culture telling us in the future as an archetype, you know, here's this is the message.
Yeah.
And you, yeah, and it's wide open for you to explore, you know.
But I think it's interesting that people were drawn to it and that people like Napoleon, for example, who advanced Egyptology a lot, but, you know, he wanted to.
Have dynamite blow out the side of the pyramid so you get in there.
I mean, you know, these are the types of things that we have.
The culture around it hasn't lived up to what's been left there for humanity, but there it still sits.
Waiting for that dynamite.
I could tell you other things about Napoleon there.
Well, okay.
My last question for you What can we expect to be revealed in your Atlantis Hall of Records research based on the new Giza Plateau discovery?
And will it lead to the Pyramid X discovery?
And wait, lastly, how will this change our understanding of our ancient past and actually rewriting history, like now?
The Giza Plateau discovery by space radar blows all of the denial away.
So there's been a pressure there that's built up, and Casey and the mystery schools have been responsible for some of it, for sure, because he predicted what it was.
So the problem is archaeology is sitting there as an establishment saying, no, the pyramids are 2500 BC, the Sphinx is 2500 BC, it was built by Egyptians, and all the rest of it.
The record shows one, the Sphinx comes from a rain weathered period.
It's over 10,500 BC.
And that the pyramids, basically, there's nothing contemporary in the pyramid.
Khufu is credited with the pyramid.
There's no markings.
There's nothing that says in there, I'm Khufu, this is my pyramid.
There's no statue of Khufu in the pyramid.
So they just credited Khufu.
Now, what's interesting about the space radar findings is they're found under the second pyramid, the Khafre pyramid, which is behind the Sphinx.
What's interesting about that is the Khafre pyramid connects underground with all this.
What they've found with the space radar breakthrough, which is remarkable, the SAR breakthrough, is that it goes down 700 yards.
That's seven football fields.
What kind of a culture could build a support structure like that?
Not the one that they credit.
They barely give them credit for the wheel.
Yeah.
So, that culture couldn't have done it with slaves rolling blocks.
Obviously, a different technology was used there, and this is that technology that goes back to the Amelius group and the Casey work.
That is the conclusion that makes a lot more sense than the materialist version that we're getting from traditional archaeology.
The problem is that the culture itself, the people who are studying it, don't want to share that with the public.
You know, the Hawass types and the others who built up this kind of power pyramid that they sit on top of.
They don't have any real incentive to share that with the public.
The problem is, the public has discovered on their own this discovery, and now the clash is what takes place there.
And we see so many things falling down now, you know, where the walls of secrecy don't work.
So, what they need to do is create a secondary narrative.
They need to create their own narrative based on these historical incidents.
That's what we're looking at here.
By crafting the narrative, they get the control of the human origin story.
In the meantime, they get the real thing.
So, this is the nature of being aware of these things.
I don't think that any group is going to be able ultimately to stop humanity from finding that because the evidence is overwhelming.
And part of it, besides the deeper groups that are looking into it, is just the skeptical lack of belief that an older culture could have been more advanced than we are.
That's a big problem.
But I think that this is a huge game changer.
For history.
And I think it's going to change the human origin story and the dating system that we use for that story.
So, therefore, it's going to bring forward Casey's work because what did he say?
He said basically there's a hall of records, a pyramid X underneath that structure.
Well, that's what we're seeing so far.
We're seeing massive underground structures.
They haven't found the pyramid yet, but now Casey is much more validated.
And I think it gives us tremendous confidence in what we're going to discover there through his work.
Casey feels vindicated.
It was a long road for Casey.
Long time for him.
Yeah.
But isn't it fascinating that here we are sitting 100 years after he talked about these things and seeing them come to pass with real time space technology?
It's quite remarkable.
It is.
You're about to break the internet.
Exactly.
Well, we'll both be doing it.
That's for sure.
The Hot Zone: Atlantis Rising Mystery00:05:19
That's true.
I'm Kelsey
Forrest, and I'm here tonight with dark journalist Daniel List to go deep into the mystery of the hot zone, Atlantis Rising, and an ancient connection to exotic technology.
It's great to be here with you, Kelsey.
Are you ready for this?
Yes.
Okay, I'm diving right in.
So, what is the Hot Zone?
Because that's going to be the big question.
Where is it located?
And what discoveries have been made there that make it so controversial?
Yeah, you know, this is really fascinating, probably the most fascinating line of research that I've been involved with doing the Ag Series.
And it all has to do with an area that is between Miami on one hand, Bimini on the other, the western tip of Cuba, and the Yucatan Peninsula.
Now, this area attracted me in a number of ways because I'd always heard stories about ruins being found there.
And there's all kinds of rumors about things that had been discovered there, including pyramids underwater.
And vastly more interesting things.
So, over time, I also came in the UFO research to realize this is a UFO hotspot.
Whenever you get around the Bahamas, you have the largest amount of UFO sightings.
I've had no one connecting that to the Bahamas right now.
This is the crisscross, indeed.
Yeah.
So, when you get those two mysteries going at the same time, watch out.
And what I discovered when I was doing the shows on it, and we did 12 different episodes on the hot zone.
Was that people were contacting me and saying, I've worked in the military, and you know, when I was down there, they said, if you discover any ruins or if you see any major, you know, if the Temple of Isis is down there, here's your NDA.
You can't sign that.
You know, you can't disclose that.
So, this was a kind of a warning flag for me whenever I get around research when they're telling you, don't disclose to the public.
You know, you're onto something.
But the Hot Zone became much richer than that the more I got into it.
And the more episodes I did on it, more people would come out of the woodwork.
And this term, the hot zone, is something I'd got from their referral when they were saying, you know, I was down there, I was mapping the ocean floor, and there was an area that they said, stay away from.
And if you see anything down there, you know, large scale ruins, anything like that, you know, it's actually, in the military, it's a court martial offense, but for a private company, it's revealing their company secrets.
You can go to jail for that, you can get sued for that.
So not a lot of people are going to step up.
Yes.
Which, yeah.
No, I was fascinated to get as much response.
And you know, it reminds you, whenever you get around whistleblowers, there's always something for them to lose, you know, and so you go gentle with it, you try to keep them as anonymous as possible.
But I could see here that these people had long stretches in different types of either military or private careers or oil research, geology, whatever it happened to be.
And I started to combine that with the research around everything to do with the hot zone.
And as it turned out, I found when I looked deeply, A number of scientists involved there in very deep research on archaeology that nobody knows anything about.
One.
Two, I found high level figures going back over decades.
Center Atlantis and the Two Eye Stone00:08:42
Everyone from Ernest Hemingway on one hand, all the way up to Ghislaine Maxwell.
You have a lot of names to discuss.
Tonight, we're going to get deep into it.
There's no question around it.
So the hot zone became for me something which, the more I looked into it, the more it opened up.
And here we are tonight.
I can tell you the four factors that go into it, and it involves.
The lost civilization of Atlantis, this is a major part of it all.
As a matter of fact, the Ghislaine Maxwell aspect is due entirely to the fact that the group that she was surrounded by were very interested in this Belial character, and they had a cult of Belial down there on St. James Island, Little St. James.
So this played hard into it, but the story is much, much older.
And so all the stories of Hemingway in Bimini, in Cuba, well, I found out that Lester Hemingway.
Hemingway's brother had founded something called New Atlantis by buying lots in a certain piece of the Bahamas and saying, land is going to rise here and we're going to call it New Atlantis.
He got it as a whole status.
And the more I dug into it, and I know we'll get into the Edgar Cayce readings tonight from the psychic sleeping prophet Edgar Cayce, but the more I got into it, I realized, oh, the Hemingways and the Caseys go way back.
He's been doing readings for that family for years.
So, you know, Casey died in 1945, and before he died, he did all of these extraordinary readings about the island of Bimini and how it had a big, major relationship to this concept of ancient Atlantis and the advanced technology that they had back then.
So, this is where I found myself in the middle of it Hemingway and Casey back then, and then in modern times, people like Marvin Minsky, the founder of AI, working with Gillian Maxwell on the same thing.
So, there's a thread there.
As we get through it, we find the people and the nature of the situations.
And so we know we're in very deep territory.
Very.
What is the relationship between the hot zone, Atlantis, advanced technology, and the psychic readings of the 20th century sleeping prophet Edgar Cayce?
Cayce is fascinating.
First of all, he's the most well documented psychic of all time.
This was a guy who was born in Kentucky and he was a Sunday school teacher, in fact.
But he's known now as the father of holistic medicine.
And he would go deep into these trances and basically be able to diagnose someone at a distance.
And so he created all different types of herbology.
He spawned chiropractic.
All these different fields were right there as a basis of his readings.
And it was quite extraordinary.
The way he discovered his powers was because he lost his voice at a young age.
And he was an insurance salesman at 19 years old.
And there was someone who was a hypnotist who was trying to help him regain his voice.
And when he went into these trances, he diagnosed himself by going over his body and saying what was wrong.
And people learned about him and came to him and said, well, you know, I have this ailment or I have that ailment.
This is how the whole Casey legend started.
He didn't do anything about lost civilizations or reincarnation or any of that stuff in the beginning.
And the doctors didn't know what to make of him either.
You know, there's a New York Times article from 1910 when he's very young doing these psychic readings.
And they're like, we don't know where this guy's getting this information.
So it's a very erudite level that he's getting in this psychic trance.
Years later, we understand things like, you know, remote viewing and how the government has paid for programs of these psychics to get together, remote view a location and come back and give them the information.
Well, Edgar Cayce was doing this way before the government even had a program around it.
And so at a certain point, he starts to go into retro cognition, going back in time.
And he starts to say that there was an advanced past going on way, way far before the traditional history that we're aware of, and that Egypt was a legacy culture, and so on.
So now there's a string of researchers who followed up on that, and Casey's dating from the 1920s and 30s is starting to become more and more the standard dating because in archaeology, things keep getting older.
Somehow, Casey, in his trance state, Knew this.
And he's right in the heart of the Hot Zone story.
That's so interesting.
What is the Atlantean Hall of Records and the Two Eyed Stone and the Casey psychic readings, and how does it fit into the entire investigation?
Well, this is fascinating because in Casey's work he talks about the fact that this ancient advanced culture in Atlantis, and you know, we have Atlantis, I should say, traditionally in the Plato story.
He talks all about, well, there was this fabulous continent there and they were the most advanced and, you know, they came in and the Athenians kind of, you know, had war against them and they succeeded.
And if you go into that Plato story, it's pretty wild because what happens is the story was passed down by a relative of Plato's named Solon.
And he went to Egypt originally and got the story from them.
And if you read the actual Timaeus that Plato wrote in that period, he says that Atlantis went down 9,000 years before his writing, which is around 400 BC.
So now we have a date there, 9,400 BC, where the destruction of Atlantis happens.
So there's a lot of, you know, kind of mythical talk about it.
You know, in one day and night it disappeared and the gods were angry with it and this kind of thing.
But then if you start to put yourself in the mindset, Of an advanced culture being there in that period of time, then you start to realize how would they interpret it by the time you get around to the Greeks?
And it's a 9,000 year old story.
You might be using a lot of this, well, the gods, you know, angered.
But the Atlanteans were the most superior group, and they had advanced technology and they ran the planet.
That's the way that Plato describes them.
So when you get into Casey's readings, when he's going back and tapping into this Atlantean piece, he's saying, well, the Atlanteans.
After they were going down, you know, the continent was going down, they went to different places.
They went to Egypt, they went to Peru, they went to Mexico, and they placed halls of records of different types about the experience of the Atlanteans, their technology, their beliefs, and they hid them for future generations.
This is where Casey is tapping into it.
In the middle of all that is a reference to something called the Two Eye Stone.
So we'll spell it out here because this is.
Casey's spelling in each reading, it's always in capital letters, so he must have said it loudly.
T U A O I.
So I went and investigated.
It's a very odd word.
And I spent some time investigating it.
And it came up as a word about stone.
So when you say the two eye stone, it means people of the stone, people of the crystal, basically.
And what he said was that there was a worldwide network that was like an energy network, basically, that these ancient groups had put together.
And they used the two eye stone.
In order to do it.
And the way that he described it and the advances that he gave to people back in the ancient antediluvian past didn't make a whole lot of sense to historians and people like that who were like, well, you know, you got cave people and then you got hunter gatherers, then you got to the pyramids and then you get to us, you know.
He's got it, no, there's an advanced culture, then you have a legacy culture in Egypt, you have a legacy culture in the Mayans, and the hint of it.
Is a major earth destruction earlier on, so we record it as the Great Flood.
So here Casey is saying the two eye stone is what the Atlanteans used to power their civilization, the same way we use electricity or nuclear power.
And it was by setting the two eye stone too high and the whole network too high that brought down the island of Atlantis.
This is Casey's story in the 1920s, very early on.
But he's saying, look, the major center.
Hemingway, Bimini, and Ancient Floods00:03:22
Of Atlantis was right there in the Bahamas where Bimini is.
And that gets us into the next level of where Casey was going as far as Bimini and what he called Poseidia, which was the major center in Atlantis.
And these ruins that he predicted that eventually rose and are now called the Bimini Wall.
And everyone knows them.
They're off the coast, they're an anomaly off of Bimini.
But Casey predicted it in 1932.
So it leaves us in a strange place.
Yeah.
There are some famous historical figures related to the Hobbs Zone that you've identified in your research as being linked to the Seeker programs.
Let's start with the Nobel Prize winning novelist Ernest Hemingway.
Hemingway, wow.
Who knew?
He's here.
This is pretty incredible.
Yeah.
What's funny is this is multi generational with the Hemingway family.
That's also interesting because Grace Hemingway, Hemingway's mother, is a regular student of Edgar Cayce's.
Now, if you go into Hemingway, aside from his legendary novels and all the rest, of it, you're going to find two interesting things.
Most of his life as an adult after he came back from Paris and all that is spent in two places, Bimini and Cuba, both Target Central and the Hot Zone.
And, you know, he grew up in Idaho.
But when he's in Cuba, he spends all this time there building up a cachet of research.
And what he does is he takes his boat out between Bimini and Cuba and he goes back and forth and nobody knows what he's doing.
So it's not a fishing boat, this one.
You know, he's famous for fishing out there.
But he has all this incredible scientific gear on board and he is surveying the ocean floor.
Now, Lester Hemingway, his younger brother, is a newspaper person and he is in these little submarines going around in the hot zone and the bottom also.
So they're putting together a lot of images and information about something that's down there in the hot zone.
So Hemingway is getting readings through his mother from Edgar Cayce.
Casey brings up Bimini and these temples and the ancient culture that's there.
And Hemingway moves to Bimini and he moves to Cuba, which are these areas that Casey's identifying as the former, you know, kind of the highlands, the mountaintop ranges of this lost continent.
So now we have this direct tie over, and it's funny to think about the nature of the relationship between the Caseys and the Hemingways, which is something that we brought out in the Hot Zone, in the X series, during the Hot Zone episodes.
It's never been, nobody had ever mentioned it.
And it's funny because if you go back there and look, you're going to find there are letters from Casey's son writing to his mother saying, Oh, I'm coming down there to spend some time in Oak Park, Illinois.
They're in Virginia Beach.
And he's talking about going to Oak Park, Illinois and spending a month with you.
Well, we know when we go to spend time with good friends, you know, we'll spend some time with it.
What kind of friends do you have where you spend a month with them?
Laws of Air and Caseys Legacy Story00:15:50
That's pretty close.
So the Hemingways and the Caseys are like that.
Casey's doing the psychic readings.
Hemingway has kind of a double life.
He is a famous novelist on one hand.
On the other hand, there are a lot of intelligence networks, like the Central Intelligence Agency, that regard him as an intelligence network of his own, to the point where his own son, who will become a CIA agent, and Hemingway will be afraid of him in the 50s, him growing up and him being a CIA agent, because Hemingway has something else that's going on.
So we find ourselves in the hot zone with Casey and with Hemingway now, and this starts to give us some idea that there's something very special going on in this area that we found out is called the hot zone.
That just keeps building upon.
It does.
There's so much more.
The Hemingway thing is worth, you know, a dozen episodes on its own.
Yes.
It's quite remarkable.
So, what is the mystery school connection of anthroposophist Rudolf Steiner, theosophical leader Helena Blavatsky, to the modern awakening of Atlantis?
And what is the possibility that our ancestors possessed advanced technology that we never even knew?
Yeah, this is fascinating, isn't it?
How much would it change our story if there was advanced technology back there?
We know about the pyramids, we know about the Sphinx, and they do all these things, and they're like, you still can't put a credit card between the stones and the pyramid.
And they know it's advanced, and they know that the Mayans had advanced astronomy.
Where did all that come from?
You know, I think about the Pyrrhus map, and this is by the Turkish admiral, and he has it in 1502.
That map that we have now, and there's no doubt about its authenticity, shows the entire globe as if by satellite.
So we know that somebody was operating back there with the ability to look down, and that, you know, it's a very old thing.
And it's interesting because they asked him in his own time period, Where'd you get this?
How'd you do it?
And he said, Well, this map is old.
It's from a monastery and it actually is from the time before Christ.
So they're getting the older, the further back you go, just like in the Egyptian civilization, the more advanced the culture is.
That doesn't add up to the traditional evolutionary track.
So we're in a very different, we have to look at it differently.
So when you get around the mystery schools, they're giving us in the 19th century and then into the 20th century, Some kind of foundation about Atlantis that wasn't there before.
So, in Theosophy, Helena Blavatsky is talking about Atlantis, and she's saying we had an advanced culture back there.
It went down.
People went to different places.
They went to Africa.
They went to Iceland.
They went to America.
And they kept remnants of the story of an advanced culture that existed at one point.
Plato's story plays into all that.
But they made a really strong emphasis on it.
When you get into Steiner's work, he goes even deeper.
So he has a book called Cosmic Memory, which talks about how the people who had developed Atlantis, and this gets into a cosmology, were reincarnating now, and that they were building the same fast technology situation that blew them up back then.
So he's warning about this.
Now, somebody could look at him, you know, I mean, this is a guy who's an amazing scholar.
He probably could have saved himself the trouble by not getting into these things.
But he did, and if you look at his work now, and we're talking about the 1920s again, Steiner's predicting things like the internet for the 21st century.
He talks about the eighth sphere, and this thing sounds so much like meta and artificial intelligence that it's like he's looking into the future directly.
So there aren't a lot of explanations for how they're doing it, but all of this comes out of that mystery school milieu.
And Casey, right on top of it, he comes right after.
Steiner, right after Blavatsky, and here he is.
He does 900 readings on Atlantis, talking about this advanced culture using a two-eye power network around the globe and then destroying their own continent.
And that all those stories, after the fact, are remnants.
And what we're going to find is that a lot of scientists in the 20th century and now took him very seriously, not publicly, but they did a lot of research on what he was seeing.
And we're going to see how this plays off into some of the AI battles that we're looking at right now.
There are plenty.
Advanced technology, right?
Or you say exotic technology.
This is exactly, you know, this is the field that we're in now.
Who's got the technology and how far ahead of the public is it?
This is the nature of the thing we tackled when we were doing the Apotheum episode.
Apotheum plays right into the hot zone as well.
It's all there.
It does.
So, drilling down further into Casey's cosmology of Atlantis, who are the sons of Belial and the Law of One group?
This is fascinating.
Casey's story of Atlantis works something like this.
There's a group there, the Law of One group, who he calls the Aemilius group at times.
Why is that?
Because Aemilius is kind of the founder.
He's almost like the Christ figure for the Aemilius, the Law of One group, and the Belial group.
Plays very much like an evil archetype.
So it's kind of like, you know, good Amelius versus evil Belial.
And it's very interesting because when we go into some of the rediscovery of Belial by these scientists and the lust for AI and things of this nature, you're going to find that there's a Belial cult that's very active that plays right into some of the research and reporting we've done on Gillian Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
And they were deep, deep into the cult of Belial.
Casey's story takes us back into this period where the Amelius group developed the two eye technology.
And the way that he describes it is that they interacted with the outer spheres, the higher planes, using the technology.
This is what they built it for.
And so, you know, you open up your laptop, you talk to an ascended master.
I mean, you know, it's this kind of a relationship to the technology.
It's got none of the overhangs of war or anything like that.
So it's a very peaceful spiritual technology.
As a matter of fact, He said that they used it to communicate with the saintly realm.
So, and they trained their priestesses to do it.
And, you know, he gives a series of readings in this retrocognitive state going back thousands of years.
And you find echoes of it later in the Egyptian culture when they are, you know, doing sun worship and things of this nature.
It goes back to this Amelius group.
What happens is, sometime during that development of Atlantis, the Belial group gets their hands on the technology.
And they use it for other purposes.
They're not the spiritual minded Amelius group.
They use it to, you know, destroy other continents and things like that.
There was no peace.
They're dropping bombs, yeah.
And what he says is that they take the two eye power stations and they tune them too high, and it splits the island into three islands.
Now, this is echoed in the Plato work, so Casey is tapping in here a little bit.
And he names the three islands Og, Arian, and Poseidon.
Poseidonia is the one that's in the Bahamas, and this is kind of the focus of our hot zone piece.
But those three islands are at war, and it's this Law of One group, Amelia's group, versus the Belial group, who are using the technology, you know, as a kind of might makes right, as Casey puts it.
And we'll read a quote later to pinpoint exactly what Casey had to say about it.
But for me, it's very clear that a lot of the echoes that we hear later about groups.
Coming down, raining things down from the sky, could very well be a group back then that had advanced technology that was doing firebombing and all the rest of it.
And it comes back to us as a myth of, you know, here's a Hindu myth of them throwing lightning bolts from the sky or something like that.
Well, you know, in India they talk about the Vimanas and those are flying machines, and there's no explanation for why they have records like that.
So somebody has the technology back there.
And I think that's where this goes.
Another example I'll use is the Nazca Lines.
And the Nazca Lines, if you are flying over Nazca in Peru, they can only be seen from the air.
So we didn't even see these until modern times when we had flight.
Before that, you could walk around them, you wouldn't even notice it.
What happened, and it's interesting, is they realized oh, yeah, we can see these amazing things the spider motif.
This monkey, this bird, these unusual figures, but we can only see them from the air.
So they're meant to be seen from the air.
So somebody is operating flight.
There's no question about it.
And we didn't even discover or rediscover flight until the Wright brothers, technically.
So, therefore, if you have that kind of technology back there, then there's a missing chapter in all of this.
That's why when you get around the hot zone, There's a lot of intrigue involved.
Some of it's geopolitical, and some of it has to do with the basis of the human origin story.
Maybe it's a lot different than Samaria, 6000 BC, and all the rest of it.
And it's interesting because they used to, in scientific circles, kind of laugh off the Casey work and they said, well, he says the Egyptians were operating in 10,000 BC.
That's not possible.
They showed up around 4000, 3000 BC.
They didn't build the pyramids until 2500 BC.
So it's about 8,000 years of difference between Casey's version of Egypt and traditional archaeology.
Well, in the last 10 years, they've discovered Gobekli Tepe in Turkey.
And guess what?
It's 10,000 BC.
So it's 12,000 years old.
It's well developed, it's a whole culture, and it's in Turkey, which is pretty close to Egypt last time that I checked.
So, therefore, all of these things that we've grown up with, the traditional dating systems, Keep getting pushed back, and Casey's work keeps getting more and more validated.
Which means, what he's saying about Atlantis, if we take a look at it, the advanced technology existed back then.
So, we have a real conundrum how did it go from super advanced to super primitive, and how does that bring us around to smart old us with nuclear missiles, Wi Fi, and AI?
Yeah, well, yeah, most recently AI.
Okay, AI is going to come up tonight, make no mistake.
Well, so what are archaeology wars and why is the deep state interested in the hot zone and ancient ruins?
This is fascinating.
Archaeology wars happen.
They're not reported on, they're something you have to look for, but they're pretty easy to find.
So if you go into a lot of World War II, you'll find Hitler, for example, and the Nazi Party invading different places looking for sacred objects.
One of them was the Spear of Destiny.
which was supposedly the spear that pierced Christ.
Hitler was obsessed with it and wanted to go into Austria for the purposes of getting it, risking all this geopolitical stuff to get the spear of destiny.
They have an entire division in the Nazi occult looking around the world for sacred objects.
Now, in Samaria, there are all of these tales of them burying weapons that were too powerful to destroy.
And all of these different groups developed an attachment to finding out about this.
So the archaeology wars, you can find them, and you can find these groups battling over the different spoils of war.
One of the most famous examples is when the Iraq War happened, and there was all this looting of the Baghdad Museum.
But since the American forces were there, it never needed to happen.
So somebody wanted people to go into that Baghdad Museum.
For something.
And if you track back through that, you're going to find while there are relics there in Baghdad that were connected with this idea of archaeology wars, when you get into the hot zone, you are looking at a series of groups operating around the hot zone looking to be the ones who have that sacred connection.
But they have another reason for it, which is they think it'll give them some kind of advantage.
And I'll give you a couple of examples.
One example, which I found fascinating, comes out of a CIA record.
The CIA in 1964 infiltrated the Edgar Cayce ARE, the Association for Research and Enlightenment, their group, in 1964 in Virginia Beach.
And they sent in their agents to get information about the Hall of Records, the very thing that we're talking about.
Somehow that record existed and was declassified.
I have it.
And there's a series of things about it.
They have a whole program for finding Noah's Ark.
So, the archaeology wars are something that go on between nations.
It's not widely publicized, but they're there.
When you get to the hot zone, it's at its maximum secrecy.
And what I've learned about it is there are so many tensions involved.
There's China, there's Venezuela, there's Cuba, there's the United States.
And nobody seems to be able to figure out why there's so much tension when you get down there.
You know, sometimes they think about it's about trafficking drugs.
You know, we have all these stories about banana republics and how the CIA got in there and controlled different areas.
Well, that's true, but it doesn't explain that it's constantly a source of tension.
So there's a guy, a British intelligence officer named Egerton Sykes, who had the most vast library of Atlantis, and he came out after he retired and said, Look, they have ruins down there in the Bahamas, and they know that there are ruins that fit a profile of.
Ancient Egypt down there, and that changes the equation.
And you have groups that are huddled around trying to be the first one to exploit that particular discovery.
Now, the discovery may go a lot deeper than just wanting first dibs at ancient ruins.
But it's a factor.
And so we have the deep state archaeological wars going on on a regular basis.
And unless you happen to trip into it, as I did with the Hudson research, you're not going to find it.
But it's there if you look.
Margaret Sanders and UFO Blackmail00:15:23
Okay.
Well, so this is my big question.
Yes.
How do scandalous figures like former socialite and convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell and the late criminal financier Jeffrey Epstein fit into the labyrinth of dark connections?
This was probably the most amazing aspect when I got into the Hot Zone research when these characters were popping up.
What is going on?
And I got lucky.
I'll tell you how I got lucky.
So, a big part of this case, and of course, you know, the case of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
You know, Epstein didn't kill himself and all the rest of it.
They were involved in this heavy duty, on the surface, sex trafficking ring, blackmail, et cetera.
But if you go even a half inch deep, you can see it's already about something more than that.
Because her dad ran for many years scientific publication and a publishing house, and they raised billions of dollars for things like research on Atlantis, for example, and published books on.
The seafloor around Bimini, things of this nature.
So, right off the bat, I knew we were into something.
But sometimes when you're doing research, you get a break.
And I got a tremendous break when Virginia Gufray's testimony against Prince Andrew came out.
Now, she was one of the people who the Epstein Maxwell team trafficked.
And one of the figures they trafficked to was Prince Andrew.
It's a public trial, and he ended up paying money for it to go away, or loaning money from the king, as it were.
But nonetheless, if you go through that transcript, you're going to find two interesting names in their blackmail lists.
And so Dufresne was saying they would set me up with these high-level people, these scientists.
They would appoint me to go to them, show up in their hotel room, you know, have all the salacious stuff happen, and then come back and give them the info.
They also would, you know, sometimes they would videotape it and all the rest.
So these are the things that they were up to.
And you looked at some of the people on the list, and then most of the people on the list.
You know, they wouldn't even mention.
But one of the people that grabbed me when I was looking at it was Marvin Minsky.
Marvin Minsky is the creator of AI, and he was at MIT for years and years.
And I started to find all these pictures of Epstein with MIT Marvin Minsky.
That was the first very strange name on that list.
And I knew that they had a background of working with scientists.
And I wondered about exactly why they were working as scientists so heavily on this scientific trip.
If they were just some kind of weird spy blackmail political ring.
So Minsky, as it turned out, had a very interesting best friend.
Minsky's best friend was Margaret Sanders, who was the daughter of Colonel Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame, the Colonel.
I did an episode called The Colonel in the Hot Zone over this.
So at one point, if you go deep on Ghislaine Maxwell, you're going to find the Maxwell Epstein team entertaining none other than Stephen Hawking.
And we can actually look at him.
That's Hawking on Epstein Island, in fact.
Interestingly enough, Hawking was down there and he was suited up in a specially made submarine that Epstein and Maxwell had put together called Atlantis.
He was down there.
He wasn't down at Orgy Island, you know, to have a party.
He was down there to be part of the scientific group observing something down there in the hot zone.
Now, Minsky, whose friend was Margaret Sanders, when you go into Margaret Sanders, you're going to find her at the very heart of Atlantis research.
When I mentioned Egerton Sykes, who was the British intelligence agent who said, well, there were all these ruins down there in the hot zone.
She was his secretary.
And she was already a millionaire, so she didn't need to be anybody's secretary.
But she wanted to be there at the heart of his Atlantis work.
So she had a son who was a pilot named Trig Adams, and he's one of the people who discovered the Bimini Wall.
So he's big back then as a very young man, finding all these Atlantean ruins, and she's investing all this money and time into a group called Mars.
Which is all about archaeological research there around Bimini.
So she's deep in the hot zone.
She's deep in with the Casey Foundation.
As a matter of fact, she gives lectures at the Casey Foundation.
But she's best friends with Marvin Minsky.
Minsky is getting all this intel about her Atlantis research directly from his best friend, and the Epsteens are trying to blackmail Minsky.
That made me very suspicious about exactly what was going on down in the hot zone.
The next thing that opened up around Margaret Sanders and Minsky, if you go into that Virginia Dufresne testimony again, which was her testimony about what the Epstein Maxwell team did to have her do all this stuff with Prince Andrew, in that court case, you're going to find on record her saying, well, one of the people that they targeted was Alexandra Cousteau.
Let me tell you how strange it is to have Alexandra Cousteau in the middle of all this.
They go after scientists, they go after millionaires, political figures.
Alexandra Cousteau is the granddaughter of Jacques Cousteau, whose lifelong quest was to find Atlantis.
He's the ultimate guy who did all the specials for years and years the undersea world of Jacques Cousteau, documentaries, movies, TV specials, everything.
Why would they want Alexandra Cousteau?
And the whole idea of Dufresne was saying is they wanted her in a compromising situation so they could blackmail her.
And Cousteau is very interesting in this regard because apparently the Maxwell pattern of blackmail has something going.
First, we have Minsky and Colonel Sanders' daughter, Margaret.
Well, now Cousteau is the granddaughter of basically the man who knows the most about Atlantis.
Jacques Cousteau is dead, but Alexandra is a young woman who.
Runs an ocean nonprofit.
The reason they wanted to have blackmail on Alexandra Cousteau is because they wanted what her father found out about Atlantis in the hot zone, where he spent most of his time looking for ancient ruins for Atlantis and this advanced civilization from before recorded history.
The lost civilization, as it were.
These things are undeniable, but it was all a break.
You know, I do a certain amount of research and I feel good about the research that I do around mystery stuff.
This is from a court case.
I didn't have to do anything except connect the fact that Cousteau and Minsky and Sanders are all related to this.
So now here's the question to summarize and really give you the good answer.
What does Alexander Cousteau, Marvin Minsky, and Margaret Sanders all have in common?
And the answer is the hot zone in Atlantis.
But there they are mixed in directly with Maxwell and Epstein, and Maxwell and Epstein need their information for their Belial cult.
Atlantis Research.
There's so many connections.
Amazing.
It is.
Once in a while, when you do this, you know, the kind of work that I do and that we do, you get blown away.
That was a TKO.
TKO.
TKO.
All right, are you ready for another one?
During the time after Jeffrey Epstein's arrest, but before she was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire by the FBI, Ghislaine Maxwell was using the alias Janet Marshall to purchase her hideout.
And she was identifying herself as Janet Marshall, writer and journalist, to anyone who would listen.
Well, the odd thing is that the real author, Janet Marshall, who passed away in 2009, her real name was Janet Atlantis.
In fact, she wrote several plays under that name, Janet Atlantis.
Somehow, Ghislaine was tapped into all that and really using the steganography.
And it's stranger still that the real Janet Atlantis had a mother named Atlantis Octavia.
And we know Octavia in Latin means eight.
And Atlantis is called the Eighth Continent.
So, when the question arose about why she was using the author's name, some Ghulain faithful would say, well, that must have been her favorite author.
Really?
Janet Atlantis.
You see, it goes really deep, but let's keep going here with your questions.
TKO.
What's going on there?
So, what is Autech, the Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center, and who operates it in the hot zone?
This is one of the strangest groups, probably one of the most clandestine operations that the United States government funds.
It's basically the underwater Area 51, and it's right there off of Andros Island.
And Andros is just right near Bimini.
It's like, you know, you can look right across the water at it.
And Andros is unusual because there's also a lot of stories about ruins around Andros.
Now, Autech, there's a lot of strange stories from people who've come out of Autech and talked about the type of experiments that they do in there.
But magnetic experiments, anti gravity experiments, completely under the cloak and offshore, so you would never really know or be able to figure out exactly what was going on.
When we get into Autech and their presence there, they are this gigantic clandestine operation for 50 years operating where?
Directly in the hot zone.
Their other location is off Cuba.
Okay, so this is the heart of what they do.
So, you know, the idea that they're checking out different types of missile launches and things like that, they're testing ocean currents and all the rest, that's the cover story.
The deeper research that they're doing has to do with UFO technology and operating something that has to do with seemingly technology that operates there in the hot zone.
And this is another aspect of it.
When you get around the hot zone, one of the researchers, I was able to talk to a number of Atlantean.
Researchers or people who were open to that idea.
And the things that they would tell me is you get to a certain spot down there and your compasses start spinning backwards.
So if you're around Bimini, you're around the Bahamas, these things happen on a routine basis.
Obviously, there's some what we call apotheum effect that goes on there.
Now, I'll tell you what's strange about that.
If you go into that Casey story that we referred to earlier, Casey talks about the two eye stone, and what does it do?
It starts pulling things down.
That's the Casey story.
That originally they used it to fly things and that they used it as a power station.
At a certain point, it goes into reverse and it starts pulling things down, including the landmass.
So there's something about that area that has the same type of unusual physics signature that we see around the UFO file or X technology.
The UFO file, when you get around Autech, they have all these sightings down there.
So the question could be are they reverse engineering?
The UFO technology and operating it down there.
Is that why the Bahamas and Bimini have the highest incidence of UFO sightings anywhere else in the world, except for New Mexico and Arizona?
And we have Area 51 and White Sands and all that over there.
Okay, you can see it.
But in the Bahamas?
They're so common in Bimini that they call them fireflies.
Oh, wow.
So, yeah, you know you're deep into it.
Autech is the major center for their development, and they operate under a total cloak of secrecy.
So, when you get around Autech, you're very close to that breakaway aspect of the technology.
And for my opinion on it, when looking at Autech, is that they're operating directly with those two factors that are involved in UFO file research.
The two factors are this reality distortion physics of the Pothium on one hand and the development of advanced technology on the other.
I have so many more questions.
Not a place you'd want to visit.
No.
Thank you.
So, digging a little deeper into Cuba, who is ocean engineer Paula Zelitsky, and what did she discover off of the western tip of Cuba in 2001?
I think this is one of the biggest scandals in archaeology.
And it's a bizarre story.
And I've communicated with Paulina.
She's a very interesting person, and she has a very interesting career going all the way back to the Soviet Union and defecting from the Soviet Union from them bringing her to Cuba in the 60s.
Going to Canada, starting her own company, and then Fidel Castro hiring her to map the ocean floor, supposedly looking for this is a very interesting code word Spanish galleons.
And I should say at this point, Spanish galleons are, you know, they're kind of that very interesting code word because you can be looking for anything and you say, well, I'm looking for Spanish galleons because they're known to have all these different wrecks.
But if a government goes down there and they don't want the public to know that they're doing all this research about an ancient culture that they haven't fessed up to, Then they're going to say, We're looking for Spanish galleons.
So, Spanish galleons becomes that interesting.
You'll find it pop up more and more as a cover term as we go.
So, Paulina, she had this very interesting background.
And Castro had said, I want you to come down here off the coast of Cuba and look for Spanish galleons for me.
So, she took her group down there exactly and took us into this whole kind of strange story that begins with her finding a metropolis.
Not just one structure, not just the Bimini Road, but an actual entire metropolis of ancient artifacts off the western tip.
So she sends those submersibles down and she's doing interviews.
It's starting to hit places like the New York Times, like the Washington Post.
And she says, Oh, yeah, they're like pyramids and they have this hieroglyphs on them.
And the person is like, Oh, they're like, the reporter's saying, Are they Egyptian hieroglyphs?
Is that what you're talking about?
And she says, No, they're like Mayan hieroglyphs and like Mayan pyramids.
The whole thing looks like a Mayan city.
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So the story starts to hit.
Everyone's like, did she find Atlantis?
The mother load and all the rest of it.
Well, very strangely, Castro and the Cuban Navy boots her in the middle of all this research, boots her out.
And she goes to Mexico as part of leaving there.
And they grab her in Mexico on a phony charge of like, you know, spying on some company or some nonsense, keep her in a Mexican jail for 30 days to scare the bejesus out of her.
And she escapes eventually.
They let her go, but you know, with a warning like, we don't want you, and we don't want what you know about the hot zone, just get out.
She goes back to Canada.
The story archaeology drops the ball.
The New York Times, the Washington Post, who had to cover it because the original stories came out of Cuba, it was already hitting worldwide, there was nothing they could do about it.
They just stopped paying attention.
However, she had video, photography, witness statements, the whole bit.
And that entire city that she found off of Cuba is exactly what the types of things that Casey said would be found there.
And this is the nature of the hot zone.
There's a lot of cloak and dagger activity that's going on.
But if you can cover up something like that, you're pretty good.
National Geographic did a special when it originally came out.
They thought, we're going to have to deal with this.
Well, everybody got shunted off of it.
And you know, National Geographic is about as bought off as you can get.
So for them to have to deal with it was pretty major.
Now, an interesting follow up on Zelitsky.
When I talked to her, I said, I want you to bring this story back out.
And I think it's a disgrace that archaeology let you and this entire story just drift away.
I mean, come on.
This is a huge cover up coming out of Cuba.
And she said, I don't think you can ever change, basically.
And she said, I'll think about it.
And we haven't been able to connect in that way.
But I still hope that she will come forward with the rest of her discoveries.
By the way, she put a lot on the record already, which fits exactly the story that we're talking here about the hot sun.
And one of the images of the city that she found, I can show you actually right now.
There it is.
I mean, that's pretty extraordinary.
Yeah.
And she has an incredible scientific background.
There are a number of sonar images like this.
She had deep sea submersibles.
This is part of an ancient city off the coast of Cuba, which changes our entire understanding of history.
So here we are.
Paulina Zelitsky found it, and it's in the hot zone.
And if we follow those threads, there's enough there.
This is why you have people like.
Epstein taking Hawking down in Atlantis submarines.
This is what they're after and that's the nature of the discoveries that we find in the hot zone.
It's absolutely extraordinary.
It's history changing and the problem with it is the establishment and the established archaeological paradigm doesn't want to share those discoveries.
Somebody, probably the Cuban government, isn't sharing it with the United States government and the United States government wants their own, they want to change and alter that situation.
There's a geopolitical clash on top right now.
We have a number of sanctions on Cuba.
You can always refer to economic and political tensions through one lens or another, but what if we look at it through the lens that they want access to the city and Cuba won't give it to them?
So, you can see when we get into the hot zone, you're dealing with a huge, huge story that goes back decades.
And we have a number of characters from Hemingway to Marvin Minsky to Ghislaine Maxwell to our friend Paulina Zelitsky.
These are real people, they have gone through real stories, and the evidence is overwhelming.
There's gigantic archaeological ruins there in the hot zone between Bimini, Miami, the Yucatan, and the western tip of Cuba.
It's undeniable.
That's insane.
But for me, you know, the idea of Atlantis sometimes people say, well, the idea of aliens or UFOs would be the biggest story that humanity ever faced.
It's actually not true.
The biggest story would be if humanity itself had an advanced past that was completely unknown.
And as Graham Hancock, who's a researcher that we've had up here talking about Atlantis, Says, one of his famous quotes is, We're a culture with amnesia.
So, if we are a culture with amnesia and there was this tremendous technological innovation in the ancient past related somehow to spiritual advancement, and then they essentially blew themselves up, then we're looking at something now which is a recapturing of that memory.
It would change everything that we understand about history.
So, therefore, Everything that goes on in the hot zone, I can give you trails and facts for.
There's no question that this is a decades long process, probably centuries long process, of getting a handle on that disclosure and the human origin question in relation to humanity.
For me, what it's going to reveal is you had an advanced culture back there.
Like it or not, history has to be changed.
And by the way, the idea that they had advanced technology.
Would help us to understand why things like the pyramids and the Sphinx and all these other buildings that we see all across the world are still there as an echo.
So it's probably the kind of research that you could do in a number of different places.
But if you're in the hot zone, to me, you're at the apex of where the nature of this thing is going to be revealed.
And they know it.
That's why those scientists were involved.
That's why we've seen this tapestry of individuals involved in.
Looking for this information, and they've utilized what?
Psychic information, remote viewing, advanced technology, AUTECH, the UFO file, you know, remote viewing.
This is how important this is to them.
So I think if we as a culture get on the same page, we can beat the whole misinformation streak that's going to come from the establishment on this.
And for me, that's a dramatic difference as far as the future is concerned.
So, Atlantis, in terms of the research that I've done, is absolutely a reality.
I think the mystery schools and the Casey work and all the rest were trying to give us that heads up like, you know, as a culture, take a look into this because it's important.