Dr. Joseph Farrell and Daniel Liszt explore how secret orders like Freemasonry allegedly shaped American history, from the Revolution to the Civil War, using symbols on the Capitol dome as proof of a "Masonic nation." They link occult figures like Jack Parsons and Nikola Tesla to advanced bioelectric technologies, suggesting the Strategic Defense Initiative targeted ELF weapons rather than nuclear missiles. The discussion connects these themes to Antarctic expeditions involving high-profile leaders, claims of Gray alien creation by Mengele and Stalin, and the idea that longitudinal pulses in spacetime bridge ancient lore with modern UFO phenomena, challenging conventional historical narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
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Masonic Symbolism in American History00:07:34
Hello, everyone.
This is Dark Journalist.
Tonight, I have a special Part 2 episode with Oxford scholar and Giza Death Star book series author Dr. Joseph Farrell.
Now, in Part 1, Dr. Farrell went over the strange Masonic imagery and esoteric Mars enigma.
Tonight, he'll go even deeper into Secret America and UFO resonance technology, Tesla, John Trump, and the missing paperclip airship connection.
Please join us now.
There's a statement that comes out of Rudolf Steiner's work.
This is one of his quotes when he's talking about Madame Blavatsky.
And he says, when she comes over here in 1875, she goes to start theosophy.
She goes directly to the mystery schools and she realizes that the mystery schools in America are running about 80% of the politics that were going on.
Yep.
And that she tried to get.
Involved, and he actually says at a certain point that they use the constitution in order to get rid of her.
But the upshot is that he suggests, and this is 1920 that he's saying this, he suggests that the majority of government is run by secret mystical orders in his period to a degree that's even worse than it was in Blavatsky's time, speaking about America.
What does that tell us about the mystical?
Underpinnings for better or for worse, right hand path, left hand path of the American political system, then we're going to draw that around to the space program and the unusual appearance of so many occult figures.
Well, I think it's very easy what it tells us.
I think that the first thing we have to recognize is that these elements have played a much more significant role.
In American history, than people realize.
Most Americans, you know, would scoff at the idea of the Masonic Lodges being so important to the history of this country.
You can't have an American Revolution if it were not for the Masonic Lodges.
How do you think and where do you think the people met to do all of this stuff?
Yes.
You know, excellent point.
You don't get the revolution without that.
You don't.
Pure and simple, you don't.
Without the coffee houses and the lodges, you don't get the revolution.
Pure.
End of discussion.
So, this idea of the Christian nation, no, it's much more a Masonic nation.
Yes.
I mean, for crying out loud, we've got Masonic symbolism plastered all over the back of the $1 bill.
You don't have to look any further than that.
You've got that hideously blasphemous picture.
In the United States Capitol called the Apotheosis of George Washington.
Oh, right.
You know, and to me as a Christian, that is a blasphemous picture.
He's an angel.
He's an angel.
And what's he doing?
Well, you know, he's ascending to heaven wearing all of his Masonic regalia.
You know, come on.
But what are they trying to say with that?
Because that was actually done later, it was done in Lincoln's time.
Yes, I know.
So what are they trying to put back across?
Look, look.
Yeah.
What you're dealing with throughout all of this is a parody of symbolism that is worked out within the first thousand years of Christianity.
You go into an Orthodox church, and what's its distinguishing feature?
A dome.
Who's in the dome?
It's not just vacant like the Pantheon in Rome.
Right.
It doesn't have a hole in it so that God can peek down at us.
Right.
There is a gigantic icon of Christos Pentacriter, Christ the Almighty.
Okay.
So, in other words, there's a very deliberate symbolism in the church.
Now, look at the dome.
The dome is a symbol of governance.
That's what it is.
Interesting.
And the reason why the dome is there in a church is it's symbolizing heaven and the governance of heaven and earth.
Fascinating.
Yes.
Throw out Christ and put in George Washington.
Right.
The symbolism becomes rather clear.
Yeah.
Okay.
Add to that the history leading up to the founding of this country.
You mentioned it earlier, Francis Bacon's.
Yes.
The New Atlantis, which, unlike the way it's published now, it was actually the final part of his philosophical work called the Norva Soganum, the New Order.
Right.
Yes.
Okay.
Well, what's Bacon telling you?
Well, what he's telling you is if we're going to order society on scientific principles, we have to have a society organized on scientific principles, aka, we need to start over somewhere.
Interesting.
Okay, so all of this, I think, yes, America is, there's a reason I call it the failed Masonic experiment.
Because what they attempted to do was create a system of governance in this country on the basis of those Enlightenment and scientific principles.
Now, we're watching it break down at a colossal rate here.
And we have to be honest about this.
And that's what's happening, it's breaking down.
But this is what they attempted to do, I think.
And partially to their credit and partially not.
But they made the best effort that they had at the time in doing this.
So I think you have to look at America as an experiment, quite literally, of the mystery schools and particularly of Masonry and Masonic principles.
There is a reason that so many of Our leaders in the political class are Masons.
So many of our presidents have been Masons.
Yes.
And so on.
There's an absolute reason for this.
Yeah.
And to ignore that, we do so at our own peril.
Forget about this business in the history that we learn about this country in school.
They have been running this show behind the scenes for a very long time.
There's no question.
Yeah, there's no question about it.
You know, if you go to Washington, D.C., and go to the Jefferson Memorial, and you stand inside the memorial, and on the walls, you read these different quotations from Jefferson.
Pike and the Five Civilized Tribes00:02:43
And one of them is, I have sworn an oath on the altar of Almighty God.
Remember that one?
Right.
Right.
Well, what he's talking about is not some wonderful little example.
Christian piety, he's talking about there.
What he's talking about is his Masonic initiation.
That's what he's describing.
Right.
So, you know, why is it that the only Confederate memorial that we haven't torn down yet is Albert Pike?
Yes.
Well, I was going to ask you about Pike because he comes along and the period that he comes in is Civil War oriented.
Yeah.
And he's giving us a whole different window.
On the Messianic aside, and it's a different graduated version from the American Revolution piece.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
Albert Pike, if people don't know, Albert Pike's service to the Confederacy was that he was appointed to the Trans Mississippi Department by Jefferson Davis.
Oh.
And the Trans Mississippi Department of the Confederacy, basically, that was all of the Confederacy west of the Mississippi.
In other words, Arkansas, Louisiana, the Indian territories in Oklahoma and Texas, and then, of course, New Mexico and Arizona.
The Trans Mississippi Department was Albert Pike's part of his jurisdiction, and his specific assignment for the Confederacy was to negotiate the treaties between Richmond and the Indian tribes in Oklahoma, namely the five civilized tribes, the Cherokee, the Osage, the Creek, and so on.
Seminole, which he did.
It was Albert Pike that negotiated those treaties with the five civilized tribes in Oklahoma.
And as a result of that, most of those tribes came into the Civil War on the side of the Confederacy.
So his role in, so to speak, in expanding the Masonic experiment never stopped really, even with the Civil War, because he was intimately involved in that whole process of.
Of trying to bring some cohesion to the Trans Mississippi Department, which to a certain degree he was certainly successful in doing.
War of the Mystery Schools00:05:03
So he's a very interesting character.
And again, if you read into his life, he's coming out also partly out of that debauch line of.
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah.
You got to do some reading, but he's certainly dabbling in all of that too.
Well, his morals and dogma is kind of like.
Truth in advertising was not part of the program here.
Go ahead.
Well, that book comes out.
Atlantis, the Antediluvian World comes out, and ISIS Unveiled come out all within a 10 year period.
And basically, it's like a whole new wave of mystery knowledge is out there suddenly.
Yeah.
Well, after the Civil War, there's this explosion of spiritualism in this country.
Right.
In fact, you know, that's the era that sees the first world occult congresses being organized and attended in this country.
Blavatsky, Ledbetter, all these people are part of this whole movement.
And of course, it really kind of spreads, in my opinion, it kind of spreads in reverse back from this country back to Europe.
But yeah, it's interesting.
Right.
Yeah.
Because you know, you've got Blavatsky, you've got Ledbetter in Great Britain, A.C. Waite in Great Britain, Mathers, you know, all these people that prop up after this explosion over here.
And over here, like you say, you've got the Mormons prior to the war, but after the end of the war, these little sects really take off.
Christian science explodes after the Civil War when it had been kind of struggling along.
So you've got all this happening after the Civil War, and I think part of it, uh.
I think, Daniel, a great part of it is sealed to a certain extent by the Lincoln assassination, again, because that's what he was.
Right.
You know, and all of a sudden you make a martyr out of a guy that's attending a theater on Good Friday.
Yeah, right.
Wow.
Yeah, that's a wow, too.
Yeah, exactly.
And he, it's interesting because he is associated with Emma Britton, and she is this incredible medium that starts theosophy in America with Blavatsky.
So we have a mystical thing there with Lincoln immediately.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
And let's face it, there's a strange crisscross 100 years later with the circumstances around Kennedy's death and Lincoln's death.
It is almost mystical.
Well, look at Lincoln's idea, and we referred to this earlier.
Look at Lincoln's idea of the Union.
Right.
It's a suicide pact.
Once you get in, you can never get out.
Right.
Now, what does that sound like?
Well, if you are sufficiently familiar with medieval Roman Catholic theology, that's the indelible imprint, the sacramental character that you can never get rid of that is conferred upon you by your baptism.
So, in other words, what you're dealing with with Lincoln's conception of the union is the Roman Catholic conception of sacramental marriage.
You can never be divorced.
So, again, you have this secular conception.
Mirror imaging or reproduction, really, of something that the broader culture is attempting to reject, and yet it reappears.
What is not happening, please notice, is no one is examining the underlying theology in the first place that sets all of this up to determine whether or not it's correct.
Now, as an Eastern Orthodox partisan here, I can tell you no, it's not correct.
That's the problem.
Ding, ding, ding.
Yeah.
It's not hard.
You know, I think it's interesting.
This is almost like a war of the mystery schools that plays out.
There's no doubt about it.
It's a war of mystery schools and it's been going on, you know, since the flood.
It, you know, it really has.
And like it or not, every religion is involved in it.
Like it or not, every lodge, every secret society is involved in it.
And you can try and ignore this war and, and, You know, take your picnic lunch out to the Battle of First Manassas and watch the fun and discover that General Beauregard has other ideas about who he can shoot at.
L Ron Hubbard and Ancient Lore00:05:30
It ain't going to work too well.
Let's bring this stream around and bring it into the 20th century.
Someone who's heavily influenced by Crowley.
And someone who is very deep in the setup of our space program.
And when you're starting to see that then graduate from, okay, it's an explosion of mystery school information, secret societies coming out, and they're looking at an intense materialism that's coming into the culture.
And so this is almost like a reaction throwing it off.
So we get to Jack Parsons, who's an interesting person in the middle of heavy duty scientific work and heavy duty occult work.
On the other hand, but his mentor is Crowley, there's no question about that.
Absolutely.
And he gets to that pinnacle of doing this incredible Babylon working.
Right.
But he's also the person setting up in the background our rocket program back in the 30s before the really hardcore stuff happens.
And in his bio, and this is always hard to substantiate, but in his bio are long distance calls to Von Braun.
This whole back and forth of them when he just got out of Caltech and all the rest.
Now, what are you seeing there in the roots of NASA, new to the rocket program going into this occult aspect?
Because certainly Von Braun had it.
Oh, yes.
What I see there is an American manifestation of what I think is a more or less. International, if not global,
pattern of people involved in the scientific and technological aspects of going out there to confirm or deny all of the doctrines of ancient lore.
Because you mentioned Parsons, Parsons, Crowley, And for that matter, L. Ron Hubbard.
Clearly, that whole nexus of occult mystery school interests exists.
And I think it would be naive, really, to suggest that that was not somehow influential in the founding principles of NASA.
That those interests, those quests, did not become part of the agenda.
Because when you look at von Braun and Dornberger and all of the people that are involved in the German aspect of this, they too have this mystery school orientation.
I mean, my word, all you have to do is look at the films of Fritz Lang.
Yes.
And it doesn't take very long to sense that these memes are all there and they're present.
In all of the so called scientism and scientific nature of those films, there is a heavy, heavy undertow of initiatory type response in his films.
Absolutely.
And this is certainly abroad in German culture at the time.
But the other part of that picture on the German side of it, I mentioned L. Ron Hubbard in connection with.
Uh, Parsons, well, you can think of Herman Obert as the L. Ron Hubbard of the German space program.
Oh, yeah, because he's far more than Fun Brown, he's the guy that will repeatedly, after the war, tell the press, Well, we had help.
That's incredible.
Yeah, he just comes right out and says it.
We had help.
Well, okay, Herman, care to clarify?
No, I don't, you know, extraterrestrial help.
We don't know.
Was it channeled?
Was it the Vril Society and Maria Orsic channeling whoever?
Tell us, please.
But then there's the other, there's the third player, and that's Konstantin Silkovsky in Russia.
Oh, right.
And again, if you look and scratch long and hard enough, you're going to find similar cultural, mystical influences around Silkovsky.
And, you know, you don't have to go that far in Russia to find those things.
I mean, every Russian babushka has some relative who's a psychic.
Who performs seances or has visions?
Fascist Italy and Vatican Connections00:08:17
You know, it's very commonplace.
Right.
You're in there, Uspensky, Blavatsky.
That whole crowd, you know.
Yeah.
It's so much a part of Russian culture.
It's not funny.
So you've, and Silkovsky himself, again, when you read his writings, yeah, you can hear those resonances of Uspensky.
You can hear those resonances even of Gurdjieff at times.
So, yeah, all of this is going on.
And then, you know, things really get crazy if you look at the Italians and some of the things they're talking about, and so on and so forth.
Tesla and his claim to be picking up radio signals from Mars.
Marconi making similar things and ending up, incidentally, as Mussolini's head of fascist Italy's UFO department, you know.
Guillermo Marconi.
It doesn't get much better than that, folks.
That's the real thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, Benito couldn't have picked a better guy for the job.
But, you know, what does that tell you about Benito?
Yeah, right.
He wasn't clueless about all that.
Yeah, he's plugged in.
He's plugged in.
Yeah.
It's interesting with Tesla.
Again, there's Mars and the famous one, two, three, Communication signals that he's getting.
So there's a Mars piece.
There's a Mars connection.
Yeah, immediately with Tesla.
Even with Mussolini.
Oh, really?
Mussolini, I think it's 1940 41, somewhere in there, gave a speech.
And Daniel has been several years, so your listeners are going to have to bear with me here because I'm going on partially faulty memory.
But I think it was around 1940 41 that Mussolini gave one of his speeches.
And he said that the United States has about as much to fear from the has has about as much to fear an invasion of the Axis powers as Mars does.
Oh.
Okay, Benito.
Which is an interesting comment because when you when you really dig, you know, we have this idea that fascist Italy.
Was not a serious threat or an enemy that we needed really to bother about.
Right.
Until you start really digging.
When you really start digging, fascist Italy, unlike Nazi Germany, did have at the beginning of the war long range aircraft that were capable of flying from Italy to the United States.
Fascinating.
And then turning around.
Wow.
Well, during the war, for some unknown reason, Fascist Italy was modifying some of these long range bombers that it had to carry bombs to the United States and back.
Wow.
And you got to wonder, you know, what sort of bomb would be worth fascist Italy to try to deliver to the United States?
You know, well, the answer is rather obvious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
And that raises the question where are they going to get one?
Are their friends, Adolf, going to hand it off there?
Well, it's interesting.
If you go back and look at my books, I keep mentioning that at those early German tests, alleged tests, There's always an Italian officer present.
Oh, that's right.
Why?
Yeah.
Well, my suspicion is again, we are told the Allied legend that Nazi Germany could never successfully perfect graphite moderators for reactors.
Italy held the patent on the first graphite moderated reactor.
After all, Enrico Fermi built one in Chicago's squash court.
Because he took the patent from the University of Milan, an Italian university, with him.
So, in other words, the Italians never lost this stuff.
And oh, by the way, they were capable of making graphite that was acceptable for moderators and reactors.
Conclusion the Italians probably built one somewhere and used a little uranium that the Germans supplied in return for supplying the Germans with the information that they got from their reactor.
So, in other words, What I'm getting at here is you can't discount fascist Italy, and particularly from this whole nexus of mystery school involvement in the elaboration of science.
We've got Guglielmo Marconi, we've got the Italian tradition of people involved in this sort of mystery school tradition going all the way back to the Renaissance and Giordano Bruno and Thomas Campagnella.
The role of the de Medici family in bringing the Hermetica to the West and translating it.
I mean, Italy is steeped in.
Excellent point.
Yeah.
Yeah, you can't ignore it.
If Mussolini then also has access to the Vatican Library.
Well, I don't know that he would have access, he would at least have the ability to inquire.
Well, no, he would have been probably in the position to inquire because you've got to remember in 1929, he signs the Concordat with the Vatican that recognizes the Holy Say and the Vatican territory itself as a sovereign state.
And, you know, the rest of the world's governments quickly fall in line after Mussolini negotiates that treaty with Pius XI.
Yeah.
Part of that treaty stipulates that Italy cannot enter with its law enforcement or police, cannot enter the territory of the Vatican without the Vatican's permission.
To do so is basically an act of war.
Interesting.
So if Mussolini is going to have access to the Vatican information, it's going to have to be through the Cardinal Secretary of State.
Or some high ranking assistant there too, or to the dean of the College of Cardinals, which is interesting because your question, if I can twist it basically, is that Mussolini probably did have at least the ability to query the archives because of the presence within the Secretariat of State at that.
Time and during the war of people like Giovanni Montini, who later becomes Pope Paul VI and so on.
So, and Mussolini, you know, knew all of these people, you know, absolutely knew who they were and would have been able to pick up the phone and place a call and say, Can you confirm or deny such and such?
So he has a deep inside connection.
Yeah, he would have had, he would have had, he would not have been able simply to march into the archives and say, Okay.
I need this or that.
But he would have been able to pick up the phone and make a query and probably got some answer very quickly.
Jefferson Davis and Airship Missions00:14:45
Interesting.
Italy has one of the early UFO programs.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Germany has the early UFO program.
Absolutely.
The United States is interesting in this regard because we know all about how advanced the UFO program was in the 40s.
Yes.
But their earlier program obviously.
It exists.
There are other crisscrosses with things you've covered extensively, like the airship mysteries.
Um, Osley has done more on the airships than I have by far.
Yes, yeah, that's the whole NIMSA piece I think is crucial when looking at that.
Although I remember there's a section in your book where you're talking about during that airship thing some of these landing and sort of some of the people getting out or people seeing things like the name of a corporation on the side of these airships, yeah.
So, um If you get into the early UFO program on the American side, and eventually the American side of the UFO program becomes the most advanced, or at least neck and neck with Russia on it, how much of that, when you're going into the rocket program, Parsons and all the rest of it, how much of a role does that play?
Because we can even find Roswell as a staging ground for rocketry in the early 30s.
Well, sure, yes.
Yeah.
I think, let's put it this way I think if you.
If you look at what Bosley has done in examining the airship mystery, and for that matter, if you look at Tim Busby, you know, the book that came out about 15 years ago about the whole airship thing.
Yes.
And even, you know, even if you look at the Del Show paintings book that I have.
Incredible.
Yeah, they really are just bizarre things.
It becomes very clear that.
There's some sort, if you want to call it a UFO program, be my guest.
There's some sort of entity inside this country prior to the Civil War.
You know, I would say beginning maybe with the Buchanan administration, about that time period, that is investigating.
These phenomena and trying to create them.
Right.
What intrigues me, and it's one of those obvious things that you don't think about until it's pointed out.
What intrigues me is if you look at the whole airship mystery, even as Walter Bosley has laid it out, you've got this nascent beginning of the Sonora Aero Club in the 1850s, prior to the Civil War.
Then you get After the war, you get these airship sightings all over the South, largely, but not exclusively, but largely all over the South.
Yes.
And largely Texas and Louisiana and Oklahoma.
Okay.
So here's what's obvious What happened to all of this stuff during the Civil War?
Right.
You know, where are the reports of Union or Confederate soldiers seeing these things, much less having conversations with the occupants, which will start to happen after the war?
Yeah.
Where does it go during the war?
Excellent point.
Does it just die?
Right.
Well, here's my speculative answer.
And, folks, Please let me point this out to you.
You're hearing this for the first time here.
Please give me credit if you cite anyone on this.
Daniel, dark journalist, interview of such and such date, Joseph P. Farrell at Mark or so and so said the following.
Okay, here it comes.
It's very interesting that these sightings appear after the war, largely in the South.
And largely confined to the Trans Mississippi Department of the Confederacy.
Now, why do I find that so remarkable?
Because what happened to Jefferson Davis?
Didn't he go into insurance?
He survived the war.
Yes.
He was slapped into prison for two years.
Right.
And then suddenly.
Released.
Now, hold on, folks.
If you examine the trial of the Lincoln conspirators that were actually hung, the whole narrative of the trial and of the Lincoln assassination was that Booth and the other conspirators had done this on orders of Jefferson Davis.
Oh, wow.
Now, I can assure you that if you know anything about Jefferson Davis at all, Ordering the assassination of another world leader was just about the last thing on his bucket list of things to do.
You know, absolutely.
President of the Confederacy, yes.
Assassin, no.
It's just not in its character.
But anyway, let's go back to Jefferson Davis.
There he is in prison for two years.
He is never brought to trial for his alleged role in the assassination.
And then he's released.
And he becomes an insurance salesman, as you say.
Over his lifelong to the day he died objections, that he wanted to be brought to trial.
Oh, which they refused to do.
Uh huh.
But the really interesting thing about all of this narrative, getting back to airships and the Trans Mississippi Department, when Jefferson Davis fled Richmond.
In 1865.
He headed south, and if you know the story, he was wandering all over the Carolinas trying to convince General Johnston, Joseph Johnston, to stay in the fight and meet up with him.
And what he was really trying to do was get to the Trans Mississippi Department of the Confederacy, incidentally, with a lot of bullion.
And the question is why was he going there?
Interesting.
What was his objective?
Yeah.
Now, some people have speculated that his objective, and I think there's good indications for this, was he wanted to continue the war from the Trans Mississippi Department.
Because unlike the rest of the Confederacy, the Trans Mississippi Department was able to conduct trade with Mexico, for example, that was not subject to the Union blockade.
Interesting.
And that meant that the Trans Mississippi Department during the war was able to build itself up.
To in a way that the rest of the Confederacy was not.
Now, putting all of this together, I suspect that Jefferson Davis may have had some little known, undiscovered connection to the airship mission that was continued in that part of the country after the war.
It would be a Jefferson Davis, Kirby Smith, look him up, thing to do.
It was absolutely so.
He gets out, and then suddenly you've got an airship.
A lot of bullying.
Yeah.
He gets out, and all of a sudden, you've got all these airships all over the South, particularly Texas.
You know?
So, yeah, there's something going on.
Given Albert Pike, you've got these very strange Confederate officers that are associated with the Trans Mississippi Department that are personally appointed by Jefferson Davis.
Interesting.
So, and.
We need to remember that Davis takes with him much of the archives of the Confederate government when he flees Richmond.
And he takes with him a small entourage of soldiers, his family, his servants, and so on.
He takes even his adopted son, who incidentally was half black.
And the guy is very strange.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, in that era, forget it.
For that era, especially.
But he's taking all of this stuff with him and trying to get to the Trans Mississippi.
So I suspect there's a lot more going on.
And it's pure speculation, but I suspect there's a lot more going on with the end of the Civil War than anyone wants to talk about because you can rest assured no one in the Union after Lincoln's murder wanted to let Jefferson Davis anywhere near a courtroom.
Oh, wow.
They don't want it to come out.
Oh, no.
It's interesting because you've brought in the fact that it seems like during the whole period, Of the Civil War, the Confederacy is funded by.
By what?
Who knows?
Where's that economic infrastructure?
Daniel, I have virtually every scholarly study that anyone has ever published on the financing of the Confederacy, and I have read them.
And I am left absolutely mystified how they managed to keep that together for four years, much less fight a war with it.
You've speculated the hidden source of gold.
Well, there had to be.
Yeah.
The first, the Confederacy is put in a position, Daniel, of suddenly finding itself in a war with an opponent that outmatches it in every category that you can think of.
Wow.
You know, it's no wonder the Union thought that this war is going to be over, you know, like that.
We can whip these people easy.
Yeah.
Bad news, folks.
How about years and years?
How about years and years?
Yeah.
You know, Robert E. Lee and Braxton Bragg, you know, they don't.
They didn't name a Ford after the guy because he was a dunce.
But anyway, nonetheless, they literally had no time to take an inventory.
And their first secretary of the Treasury, a German, by the way, their first secretary of the Treasury said, You know, we're having to do this with literally nothing in human experience to guide us.
I mean, wow.
This is right out of the gates.
They're admitting this.
Incredible.
But they did do some things that make sense under the circumstances.
They clamped down on the use of specie as currency within the Confederacy because they're going to need it to conduct trade with international partners.
So they did get that right.
But the rest of it.
You've suggested that a lot of the tension with the Confederacy was over the railroad and how, you know, control of the railroad.
And I think that that's a huge overlooked piece of it.
Daniel, it's absolutely crucial.
Because, for one thing, if you look at the Confederacy, the first in the Confederacy has a first in military history.
Do you know what it is?
During the first Battle of Bull Run, the first major.
Field battle of the war right outside of Washington, D.C. You know, that's where all the Union families show up with their picnic baskets and they're going to watch a Confederate route, you know.
Forgetting they're dealing with Beauregard and Thomas Jackson, little things like that.
But General Joseph Johnston, who had an army in the Shenandoah Valley, moved that army by rail.
To the battlefield of Manassas.
That was the first mass movement of troops by rail in history.
So there were a lot of firsts in the Civil War, and a lot of times you're going to find the Confederacy in on them because, you know, necessity is the mother of invention.
You had the transcontinental plans prior to the war, and again, you had both northern and southern routes.
And of course, Lincoln is what?
Lincoln is a railroad lawyer.
True.
Yeah.
So this is what he's up against.
He knows what he's up against.
So you've got all of this percolating in the background.
Jefferson Davis, before the war, had been a secretary of war, literally a secretary of defense.
So, you know, these leaders were not chosen, you know, happenstance.
Well, it seems like there are three hidden factors there.
There's a secret source of gold.
There's some secret source of gold, yes.
A controversy over control of the railroad.
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Railroads, yeah.
And then possibly an advanced, some sort of advanced technology.
Yeah, that becomes the airship mystery.
Right.
Because we got to remember, Walter does bring this out at some point, if I'm not mistaken, that they approach Lincoln with some of this aerotechnology and they're not interested.
Right.
Now, if you approach Jefferson Davis, who's facing an enemy much more powerful than the Confederacy, you don't think Jefferson Davis, especially as a former Secretary of War, Is going to leap at any technological advance that might be offered to him?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely, he will.
Wow.
You know, the guy is not a dunce.
You know, whatever you've heard about Jefferson Davis, one thing he is not is a dunce.
He's just not.
It's interesting.
If we flash forward and we bounce right out of the Confederate part into the airship part, one of the people that you don't hear about, But who possessed incredible technology is Warl Keeley.
Yes.
John Warl Keeley.
Yes.
And it's interesting because Keeley probably plays into this Bosley piece.
One of the interesting things about him, there's an account by somebody inside the United States Army that says he demonstrated a craft that could go, and the way that they timed it was 500 miles an hour.
Yeah.
So, you know, this guy's operating in the 1880s.
Yeah.
So now this is the interesting crossover.
In Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine book, there's a whole chapter on Keeley.
Oh, yeah, I know.
In Steiner's work, there's a whole thing about psychic technology operated by Keeley and how basically the mystery schools were like, the culture can't handle it.
Okay, I guess we're going to have to back off on that because you're going to show the whole psychic secret around operating advanced technology.
Well, even more importantly, Clara, what's her name?
There was a lady that was a friend of.
Bloomfield.
Bloomfield, yes.
And she herself had a background of connection with spiritualism and theosophy.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
What I think is interesting about Keeley, and I think it was Bosley himself who brought this out in his book, if I remember correctly.
You're right that Keeley did approach the government officials with his technology, and that began all the claims of falsification and so on.
I personally think that Keeley was probably legitimate.
Yeah.
And the reason I think that is something that Thomas Bearden wrote prior to his death when he was examining precisely some of the claims of Keeley.
And that is that Keeley had to be in physical proximity or actual contact with his devices for them to work.
This is fascinating.
Yeah, it is.
Yes.
And many people say that is the surest sign of fraud.
What Bearden latched onto was that number one, Keeley always stressed that this was a matter of harmonic principles.
And you didn't have to look long or very far to see that most of Keeley's inventions had something to do with sound.
And I think it's that aspect that got Walter interested because Walter's father had told him about Wilson.
Yes.
And the fact that in order to make these things levitate, They had to strike something that resembled a tuning fork and create a certain frequency before it would get off the ground.
So, I do think that there is an acoustic aspect to all of this.
And we don't have to go very far in occult literature to hear about Tibetan monks or Egyptian priests levitating things with sound.
It's very, very common.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
What interested Bearden was this physical proximity.
And what Bearden.
Suggested, and again, I think he's absolutely right, is that the bioelectrical field of an individual, which is unique to each one of us, yours is unique to you, mine is unique to me, and so on and so forth, is that constant presence around someone will structure the potential, the bioelectrical potential of the object itself in a particular way.
Oh, right.
So you actually are structuring a potential.
In these devices, so that they won't work as efficiently or even at all if they're not around you.
And I think this is what Keeley probably ran into and probably was mystified about because at the time they didn't have any idea of an enfolded scalar potential.
That was just beginning to be developed as a mathematical idea by Hamilton over in Ireland.
And of course, Maxwell picks up on that and uses it in his equations.
So you never get, in Maxwell, you never get away from this idea of a structured potential, but over here it's not known.
So Keeley, you know, Keeley's going to have to create some sort, and I think he makes some stabs at, he's going to have to try and create some sort of vocabulary to describe what it is that he's doing.
Interesting.
And he can't really come up with it because he's missing this scalarity, this infolded potential.
That you eventually do get with Maxwell.
So, yeah, I don't discount Keeley at all.
I think he did something.
You know, like so many inventors do, he stumbled across something real.
And when asked to reproduce it, if you're missing that idea of a structure potential, then someone else is not going to be able to get the same effect, if any.
Oh, that's fascinating.
It needs to be someone of a particular energy resonance.
Right.
Right.
That reminds me of the UFO file.
Exactly.
Now, this is interesting because there are lots of accounts of them trying to, with ships that they grabbed, trying to get it going and having problems.
If you go into the Aztec case deeply, there's a very interesting account that Silas Newton gave, who was the main guy involved there, who was also, you know, this kind of almost like billionaire Howard Hughes character.
He talked about the firsthand accounts of people who had come upon the Aztec craft and how, when they had scientists work on it, they figured out that they had to run them in shifts of 20 minutes at a time because they would get sick around it.
And then eventually, that they had a number of experimental test flights of UFO craft where they couldn't get it off the ground or the pilot would die because there's no connection.
So, this is the thing that they were studying deep when it came to crash retrievals and things of that nature.
Now, it's interesting to me because whether it's an off world craft or an advanced one here, that's a principle that seems to show up and it shows up there in the Keeley work.
Steiner gives it a very You know, just like Blavatsky.
And they're sort of putting themselves on the line because if he was just some guy who was, you know, coming up with a hoax in Philadelphia in America, they wouldn't be particularly interested.
Well, the other thing is, if he were just coming up with a hoax pure and simple, there would not have been all of the focus on him for such a prolonged time that there was.
Right.
I mean, he underwent several examinations by different people.
And.
They were unable to reproduce the effect and came to these conclusions.
The problem with the idea, and I hope people will bear with me, I'm going to kind of speculate on the cuff here.
But with the idea of a structured potential that is bioelectric in nature, the effect of that is that whatever technology, as may be coupled with such a potential, Is going to be basically an extension of that bioelectric.
Here comes the word plasma body.
Okay.
If you get that wrong, that technology could not work.
It might run amok.
It most likely, in any case, would make you sick.
Because it's something that's not you.
If it is, let's say, out of phase with your own bioelectric potential, it might cancel you.
In other words, just literally kill you like that.
And so on.
So, this is something that has to be very, very exact.
The best way to do it would be, so to speak, to take a kind of recording of it.
Try to reproduce that.
But basically, I think the idea of a bioelectric potential activating these types of devices is not far fetched for one reason.
If you go back to my book, The Cosmic War, one of the things I point out in that book is if you examine the tablets of destinies, they always appear to have been effectively used by the gods when the gods are either in close proximity or actual physical contact with them.
And that's what suggested to me we're dealing with a bio, biometrically activated technology of some sort.
Ark of the Covenant has a similar thing, even more so there, because if you look at the Ark itself and its description, it's a capacitor.
It's going to build up.
Excellent point.
Absolutely.
It's going to build up immense amounts of voltage.
And if you ground it and touch it, Kazan, you know, you're pretty fried.
I remember Graham Hancock.
I did an interview up here with him, and he said when he did all this investigation, his first book was on the Ark of the Covenant.
He said the amount of people who sort of held the technology as a lineage down through time would become blind.
Yeah.
That's kind of like these effects that you're talking about here.
And it reminds me when you get around the UFO field, you get all those descriptions.
And I think they're honest descriptions when people miss time.
Yes.
Yeah, I do too.
So the physics start to operate in this weird fashion that has nothing to do with the physical world.
Do you remember the series taken on television a few years ago?
Yes.
Okay.
Spielberg produced it.
Spielberg produced it, yes.
They had a point in there, in that series, where they got some psychics, quite literally, to come and sit in a UFO and try and start it up and get it off the ground because they had at least. Concluded that there's some biometric activation to these things.
And as a result, when they tried to do that, they killed the psychic that tried to do this.
But the idea has been around for a while.
And I think the reason the idea has been around for a while is this is precisely what they've discovered with some of this stuff.
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Wow.
Add to that, Daniel, that you have all of the experiments coming out of the Iron Curtain and the Soviet Union in particular.
But also places like Czechoslovakia with the Pavlida devices, you know, these strange little things that appear to have some sort of biometric aspect to them that work for one individual but not another.
Oh, right.
Yes.
We have all of the lore within the literature on crystals that crystals you have to literally condition by having them around you and allowing no other person to touch a crystal.
Well, again, That suggests to me that what you're doing is you're simply taking that very faint bioelectric field and you're using that to impress a structured potential on the crystal, which is already a structured potential because of its crystalline lattice.
Right.
So, you know, what are we?
What's DNA?
It's an aperiodic crystal.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's fascinating because we've touched on the two eye stone crystal idea.
Yes.
What's interesting to me is when Casey says, well, they, you know, part of the problem with Atlantis, part of the destruction was they accidentally set the crystal too high and that broke up the island, the continent into three islands.
What does that suggest to you?
It set off volcanoes, it set off eruptions.
Resonance.
Resonance, exactly.
Resonance that they were not able to damp.
Wow.
Yeah, incredible.
If you want to know what resonance can do, go look at those old films of Gallop and Gertie.
You know, the suspension bridge that was at the Tacoma Narrows.
All of that is resonance.
Wow.
All of it.
Yeah.
All of it.
And it gets to the point that the bridge itself cannot damp all of the vibrations that are going on.
And the wind just happened to be blowing at exactly the right enough speed to cause that torsion motion.
In the length of the main span of the bridge.
And because that motion got started and the bridge couldn't damp, energy kept loading into it until, you know, it finally just collapsed.
Wow.
So, the collapse itself is the damping that finally takes place.
You can go online and see the Verrazano Narrows Bridge in New York.
In certain conditions of wind, you can see it doing this because the wind establishes a resonance with the bridge.
And, you know, the bridge needs, don't get me wrong, folks, I'm not saying the bridge is unsound.
If the bridge doesn't do that, it will collapse.
If the wings on your airplane don't flap a little bit as it's moving along, the plane ain't going to fly.
Right.
Yeah.
It's compensating for the natural vibrations of the environment.
But yeah, I entirely can understand why Casey would have said that because it's a resonance effect.
It's very simple.
If you can't damp it, it's going to do something like that.
Absolutely.
It's interesting to me that he ascribes the destruction to the power station of the 2I as the Atlantean main power source, and that that sets off the original thing, and that they have a chance to rebuild.
They still rebuild after the fact.
But again, it's the setup of those crystals that eventually do the island in.
Well, remember what Tesla said during his Wardenclyffe experiments I can set the Earth into such a state of vibration that I could split the planet.
Incredible.
Now, if you're playing around with an electrical device that is using the planet itself as the antenna to beam the power out through the atmosphere, folks, get that idea out of your head.
That's not what he was doing.
That's what they always say.
That's what they always say, but that's not what he's doing.
The power, the ground is connecting, completing the circuit.
So the power is coming back into the tower through the atmosphere, but it's going out through the earth.
Wow.
That's what he's doing.
He's playing with the planet.
I have to mention here, I'm so glad you brought up Tesla.
And it's weird because President Trump recently, at a campaign event again two days ago, he mentions Uncle John.
And we know Uncle John was sent in by Vannevar Bush to pick up the Tesla files and stuck them for information about taking down flying objects at a distance.
Those were his instructions.
But when we get around.
Tesla, there's something very interesting that Gordon Cooper, the astronaut, put on the record.
And he said that he felt, and he was out of NASA, so he had the ability to kind of shoot from the hip, but he felt the development of Star Wars during the Reagan administration, SDI, was not put up there to zap nuclear missiles at all, but it came about as the result of one of the trunks, part of the information of Tesla's information on ELF.
Extremely low frequency vibration weapons had somehow made it to Russia.
At least that was the supposition.
And so they built this as a barrier against it because they were developing the same types of weapon and they knew the power, that kind of having the earth type power that you were discussing there.
What do you think?
Again, we've heard things about SDI that have nothing to do with nuclear missiles, like in Corso's work.
It seems highly plausible.
Somehow they were set up there.
To deflect something, you know, dealing maybe directly with the UFO file.
But what do you think of Cooper's suggestion?
And again, could putting SDI up there have made us a bigger target for anyone else who was, you know, hanging out there?
The connecting link with all of the connecting link to the UFO with all of this, and by all of this, I'm including the explosion of nuclear weapons.
Okay.
The connecting link with all of this are precisely longitudinal pulses in the medium of space time itself.
Oh, right.
So, in other words, when you develop a technology that by whatever means is playing around with electroacoustic waves in the medium, and let's remember now what that medium may be that medium may be a plasma.
Okay?
Once you're dealing with electroacoustic waves in a medium that extends everywhere, that Pulse that you send out.
If you have the technology to produce it, you might have the technology to pick up those kinds of pulses.
And you're going to be able to pick them up within a very short time.
And you're going to be able to, by the nature of the case, if you have two or more such receivers, you're going to be able to pinpoint the source extremely well, just like you can pinpoint the epicenter of an earthquake.
By different seismograms located around the world and the time it takes for that pulse to reach them, and so on and so forth, you're going to be able to do the same thing with a longitudinal pulse in the medium.
You're going to be able to pinpoint the source with a great deal of exactitude.
And if you have the technology to do all that, you might have the technology to go visit and check things out too.
So, yeah, I think it's not accidental.
That the modern recurrence of UFOs, which notches up, if you look at all UFO or alleged UFO incidents over human history, including all those paintings of strange little things in the sky, they ratchet up very dramatically toward the end of World War II.
There's no denying this.
Absolutely.
And what happens in the world right around 1944, by the way, folks?
What happens then?
Well, The first nuclear explosions happened then.
And if you include Tesla with this in his wireless power experiments, you have a similar ratcheting up earlier than that of UFO appearances.
So I think, yes, all of this technology, which has that one thing in common, attracted somebody's attention.
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And they decided we better go check out the monkeys.
And if they have lore like we do of such prior incidents, Then they're going to be thinking, oh, the monkeys are at it again.
We really got to go check them out.
And remember, yeah.
Yeah.
And put a stop to it if necessary.
Because we know what those little guys are going to do with it.
You know, yeah, I'm not surprised by any of it.
And I think that's the connecting link.
Do the Russians have it?
Of course they do.
Of course they do.
Yeah.
They're not stupid folks.
Right.
Do the Chinese?
Probably.
You know, I mean, come on.
If anything, what I've been trying to suggest tonight is if you look at countries like Russia or China or India, their entire cosmological, religioscientific tradition is very different than the West and is much more open to entertaining these wild types of pseudoscience than we are.
Wow.
Absolutely, they are.
It's a crucial mindset.
Is a thing open to it.
And they've closed us off in the Western culture from doing it.
They've attempted to.
They've attempted to.
Well, they've attempted to close us off while they secretly develop.
But in those cultures, it's almost impossible to close it off because it's part of their literature.
It's part of their, you know, think of India and the Vedas.
There are hundreds of volumes of, of, Vedic literature in the Sanskrit.
Hundreds.
And we have basically just scratched the surface of translation.
I mean, there is no historic identity.
Yeah.
Right.
I don't think there's even an English translation of the entire Mahabharata, the great Hindu epic.
You know, and you want an epic with all sorts of strange technology described.
That's it, folks.
How about, yeah, disintegrate an elephant from the sky?
Yeah.
Yeah.
How to do it.
Here's the recipe.
You know, it's so much a part of their outlook and culture.
Fascinating.
You know, and the same with China, the same with Russia.
It's difficult to cover these things up.
That's why, you know, Russian astronomers and PhDs can get away with proposing the moon as a spaceship in Sputnik magazine.
It's kind of second nature to think this way.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
This is very interesting because it reminds me of a conversation I had with Russell Targ about Werner von Braun.
Oh, boy.
The first thing is that von Braun's mother was a well known psychic in Germany.
Yes.
And it had incredible predictive abilities.
People would come to her about the weather, things of this nature.
But von Braun asked Targ to develop an ESP testing device specifically for NASA astronauts.
Oh, I can believe that.
And this again, It has that tie over with the psychic aspect being utilized in the pursuit of space travel.
Somehow the two are related.
And when you get around that exotic technology, whether it's UFO redevelopment or homegrown, it seems like the psychic aspect is deep in there and it is with Von Braun.
I've even heard something.
I think I may have mentioned this maybe about a year ago in some interview that we did.
Yeah.
It was either you or somebody else.
I think it was you.
I've heard something very interesting concerning, pardon me, astronauts in space.
I heard it from John Rapoport when we were at the San Mateo Secret Space Program Conference.
And that was, we were sitting out at the motel on the balconies and just smoking and, you know, chatting.
And we got talking about psychic abilities.
And he mentioned that astronauts, both Russian and American, had reported when they were up there, you know, in orbit, having all of these very strange visions of their lost dead relatives.
The hat said, yes.
Including people that, you know, they had no idea were ancestors of theirs, you know, and this appeared to be a fairly universal thing.
And it's not very widely talked about.
And I said, well, that's interesting that this would happen outside the gravity well of the Earth.
Wow.
And I think maybe that has something to do with all of this.
And then you get that very interesting, and that Von Braun would do this, especially with his mother's background, doesn't surprise me at all.
Because, incidentally, the Russians tried a similar thing.
With some of their cosmonauts and trying to figure out if there was some sort of ESP thing that was going on with space.
And apparently, from what I remember right off the top of my head, that experiment was also wildly successful.
Wow.
Incredible.
That they discovered somehow being up there increased your ability to do these things.
That really makes sense.
It really does when you stop and think about it.
So, what I wanted, you know, what I'm thinking of in terms of a potential experiment.
Is I wish you know they could take some of these extremely experienced remote viewers like Lynn Buchanan or Joseph McConaughey or people like that and you know put them up there and then have them do a remote viewing to see if somehow you know do design some sort of test, yeah, if that ability is enhanced or damped up there in space.
My guess would be that it's enhanced.
It's a great idea.
That's fascinating about the astronauts seeing their dead relatives because instantly you're sort of past the bonds of earthly, right?
You know, materialistic thinking, you're in this other field, and all those senses that are inside their latent, they're not manifested on a normal basis.
Then all of a sudden, boom, they're well, it's an odd sort of confirmation of something else.
It's an odd sort of confirmation of the Slavonic text of the book of Enoch.
Why, yes, because in the book of Enoch and the Slavonic text of it.
You read that the departed souls go to that place that is between the earth and the moon, bounded by the orbit of the moon.
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That's where they are.
It comes right out and says it.
Wow.
And, you know, how in the name of sense does someone writing 2,000 years ago come up, even at that time, with such a cockamamia?
What I love is when you get into the book of Enoch and he gets on one of these ships and it's straight up and he's looking down and he says, Hey, look, the earth looks like porridge.
That's pretty good.
That's a UFO contactee.
Joseph, to round all this around, I'm going to mention a book here, which I found out was von Braun's favorite book.
It's called Two Planets.
A novel by Kurt Loswitz.
And the von Braun quote is I shall never forget how he devoured this novel with curiosity and excitement as a young man.
It's all about these Martians that come here, sophisticated civilization, and they decide the only place that's habitable for them is Antarctica.
I just want to read you one little bit about, you know, two planets.
So he's a mathematician.
The author.
He publishes it in 1897.
And the upshot is man's first encounter with beings from another planet.
The Martians differ little from man physically, but ethically, intellectually, scientifically, and socially.
They are the prototype of the ideal human being.
They seek to educate man, asking in return only air and energy.
This is just some of the names of the table of contents Secrets of the Pole.
The Inhabitants of Mars, The Artificial Island, The Masters of the Universe, The Space Travelers, The Message of the Martian States, The New Airship, and The Secret of the Pole.
What's the name of this book again?
It's Two Planets by Kurt Loswitz, and it only got over here to America in 1972.
With an English translation.
So it was around there on the European German side, they knew of it.
Von Braun, it was his favorite.
In the Von Braun Cooper relationship, Cooper talks a lot about Von Braun talking about Mars.
Everything is about Mars.
He's going to get to Mars.
The moon is only a step to Mars.
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And he has him so convinced that actually Cooper thinks he's going to lead.
A mission to Mars and that it'll happen by 1981.
So that's the timetable that they've laid out.
And he talks about how it gets scrapped and how it got scrapped by a senator from Wisconsin who took over for Joseph McCarthy and was married to a Rockefeller.
Interesting.
That's him.
You've got to be kidding me.
No.
He's the one who scrapped it.
Oh, I'm not surprised.
And married to the granddaughter of John D. Rockefeller's brother, William.
Wow.
Okay.
I'll tell you why I'm intrigued by this, what you've discovered here.
Let's just go with the radical high octane off the end of the tube.
Yes.
While E. Coyote dive into the canyon.
Okay.
Go for it.
You recall that during the Clinton administration, President Clinton gave a talk in the Rose Garden, I think it was, where he disclosed, made a big announcement that there was life on Mars.
Oh, right.
Because they had found a meteor from Mars in Antarctica.
And in the meteor were little fossils.
Of bacteria or something alive, and the meteor had come from Mars.
Unbelievable.
Yes.
Now, we were not told at the time how do we know this meteor is from Mars?
There's that.
Then there's all of the high strangeness, which, you know, you and I have talked about many times about Antarctica.
I've blogged endlessly about it.
In fact, I think I have a blog either last week or this week about Antarctica yet again.
Wow.
And all of the strange people that have been there or associated with it: Harmon Goering, Rudolf Hess, Admiral Byrd, Buzz Aldrin, Secretary of State John Ketchup Carey, King Juan Carlos, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, and now the Pope wants to go.
Wow.
I want to say this that you were so on top of this.
You were blogging about it and putting out all this stuff about Antarctica maybe 10 years ago.
Oh, yeah.
And it got so picked up and bastardized in so many bizarre ways by Gaia TV and all this nonsense.
Let me tell you, you took the core of it, which was the original high jump thing, and then correlated all these strange visits and the things that were happening.
That's fascinating.
So now you're bringing Clinton in.
Well, Clinton and the Mars thing.
What I'm suggesting here is that the novel that von Braun knew as a boy means that it was something predating Nazi Germany.
Yes.
Now we might have a motivation for why the likes of Hermann Goering would sponsor an expedition to Antarctica.
And no, it's not the public story that he put out that he was interested in lubricants from whales.
Yeah, you're not going to go down there for that.
No.
And that literally is the cover story.
Yeah.
I mean, you talk about a whopper.
You can kind of see Gary going, ha ha.
Let's see if they buy this one.
But no, it makes sense.
And then let's assume the premise of the story is true.
Yes.
That.
Our ancestors up there, some of them survived somehow.
And what they really need is some water and some air.
Wow.
And so they decide to come here.
And of course, having grown up on that frigid planet after the disasters that befell it, maybe Antarctica is the best place for you for now.
Wow.
So, you know, I'm at a loss to explain.
All of the goings on there, other than I have consistently said that when the Secretary of State, even if it is a nutcase like John Ketchup Kerry, takes time off from a diplomatic junket in the middle of one of the most hotly contested elections in American history to go to Antarctica,
what we're being told was that, oh, he just wanted to check in on climate change.
Amazing.
No, there's a diplomatic purpose for the visit.
Wow.
There's a diplomatic purpose for the Patriarch of Moscow going there.
There's a diplomatic purpose for the Pope going there.
There is a diplomatic purpose for King Juan Carlos and all the British royals that have been there.
There's possibly even a diplomatic purpose for Buzz Aldrin going there.
Would a presence like that make sense?
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Yeah, I think it does.
Oddly enough, it makes perfect sense.
And so much the better if they're from Mars.
Now, My problem with that scenario is if they have the advanced technology to get from there to here, right?
They probably have enough technology to make a little air and make a little water that they need, you know, to keep the place relatively livable.
So, you know, I'm not buying the we need your air and water story very much.
I'll tell you what's so interesting and how I even discovered the book.
This is strange.
There's so much up your alley that when I found it, I was like, oh my God, you know, we have to talk about this one.
We have to talk about this one.
In the 1920s, you mentioned Fritz Lang.
Yeah.
Incredible.
You know, he did all the remarkable Metropolis and all the German classics and then took off and made things here in Hollywood.
He fled the Nazis who were after him a bit.
But what's interesting is you'll find that most of the people, like Dornberger, like von Braun, are working with him in a movie called Women on the Moon.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Yes.
And then they incorporate the logo of Woman on the Moon on the V2 so that all those V2s have that little logo.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh my God.
But what's weird is the name of the club that they had, Dornberger and all these other guys that you would be familiar with on the German Nazi scientist side, was the Interplanetary Craft Society.
Oh, wow.
Oh, my.
Oh, yeah.
In German, that does raise.
Yeah.
I thought that, you know, I started thinking back to your Breakaway Civilization book when I saw that because the crisscross there was too much with von Braun.
And then I was thinking, well, they had the Interplanetary Craft Club with Dornberger working with Fritz Lang contributing to this.
Well, not only that, but out of that whole.
Set of fables that surrounds Maria Orsic and the Vril Society.
Yes.
Her so called channeled messages.
Yes.
You have this craft that she's trying to describe, and she uses the German expression Jenseitsflugzeug, other side aircraft.
Oh, interesting.
That's how that literally translates.
Other side of what?
What do you mean, other side?
Wow.
You know, other side of the veil of Isis, you know, what are we talking about here?
Incredible.
It's a very suggestive term.
Huh.
Yeah, it suggests that there's all sorts of maybe misread occult, you know, people are taking these terms in an occult sense and they don't mean that at all.
They mean, you know, something higher dimensional or, you know, of that nature.
I, you know, there is something going on in Antarctica and the only thing I Think can explain the presence of so many strange people associated with the place.
I mean, it's just a bizarre list.
Wow.
Like the only way to explain such a bizarre list is there's something diplomatic going on down there.
Um, and it's not secret summit meetings between the pope and the patriarch, you know.
Right, but it suggests with Aldrin's presence, it suggests a space connection.
It suggests a space connection, yeah.
Isn't that fascinating?
Wow, it has to.
Uh, and given all the other stuff going on down there that are space connected, you know, the neutrino thing, um.
Lockheed Martian having a presence there.
And I'm using Catherine's term for the firm.
I would be a bit surprised that something like that scenario in that book is going on down there.
I would be a bit surprised.
Wow.
Remarkable.
Whether they're from Mars is another story.
There are other good candidates in the solar system.
Excellent point.
Yes.
The idea of Antarctica as a base is rather interesting considering its history and considering that we know at a certain point there was no ice there.
Yeah.
And might whoever is down there have some knowledge of the place without the ice?
Yes.
It starts to chime.
It starts to chime.
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And not only that, there have been all these strange rumors recently, Daniel, where people claim to have found.
Cliffs that have been exposed with ice breaking off and falling into the ocean, parts of the cliffs of the shoreline of Antarctica, where some people claim,
and I've not investigated this to the point that I'm satisfied, but the claims are out there that some people are seeing Egyptian hieroglyphics and cuneiform ideograms on these cliffs.
So, if there's an Egyptian and Sumerian connection to the place, yeah.
The ante just got up once again.
That brings it up to the level.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A crucial rewrite of history in the middle of all that.
I had to mention before we go, and this has just absolutely been fascinating incredible.
So, there are so many things left on the cutting room floor of this interview, but I'm going to say this.
Recently, the son of Soros, George Soros, tweets out this very esoteric, occult laden picture that has a bullet hole, and I'll show it up on the screen.
And then we have this series of bills.
There's a number of odd things that you've noticed about the bills that I wanted to put on the record here.
One of the things that everybody's pointing out is hey, it adds up to 47, which is the next president.
And there's been a lot of this in the air about assassination.
Especially in relation to Trump, with MSNBC saying, well, you know, Trump could get assassinated and kind of laying that in there as a kind of normalizing of the idea.
And here is Soros saying it.
What I found interesting was in the middle of those bills, a silver certificate, obvious allusion to the last president who was assassinated in office, President Kennedy, and his silver certificates.
So the United States note, Joseph, what do you make?
Of this public display?
There are, okay, first of all, there are evangelicals out there saying and warning about an assassination attempt.
And what if Trump gets shot in the head and survives?
Wow.
You know, that could make him the Antichrist.
And my point in raising that is, again, to raise what I've warned people about so many years the fulfillment's the deception.
Oh, yes.
Get this idea of dispensationalism out of your heads.
Because that's not the way this works.
It's not to say that the fulfillment isn't true, it's just to say be on your guard.
Oh, right.
Because there is one thing that cannot be counterfeited with any claimant to be Christ.
And people are going to have to think very long and hard about what that is.
It's very easy and obvious, but it's also difficult.
The other thing that struck me about it, even before all the evangelicals started, you know, jumping on the prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes bandwagon, is, and as you can tell, I'm a little skeptical.
And it's not that I don't believe in the second coming and all that, but the other side of this coin.
Is just the assassination people.
You've got, I think, a clear threat being made against the former president.
Yes.
If this were being made on any other man, the federal government would already be investigating and have already arrested the perpetrator.
Yes.
In my opinion, Alex Soros right now should be before a judge asking for bail bond.
Absolutely.
My problem is, yeah, the symbolism of 47 is there.
If you add up the money that is being shown, it totals up to 47.
Like you say, there are two silver certificates, $1 bill silver certificates in that picture.
It's clear as day if you know what a silver certificate looks like.
The interesting thing are the other bills.
Yeah.
There is a 20, two 10s, and a 5.
Right.
And the 20 and one of the 10s are upside down to total 30.
And then you have the silver.
So you have a suggestion someone emailed this to me.
I forget who it was in my website.
Emailed this reading to me that that totals up to 30 silver.
And who's famous for 30 pieces of silver?
Oh, isn't that fascinating?
So there's yet another.
We're back in the New Testament.
We're back in the New Testament, you know, symbolism game.
Yes.
And I'm sorry, folks.
I just can't make comparisons between Donald Trump and Christ.
Somehow that ain't computing for me.
But nonetheless, it's there.
And it is part of the deliberate symbolism concocted by Soros himself or whoever did it for him.
Yeah.
And what it's suggesting to me is.
That they've got a mole inside of the apostolus that is going to be responsible for setting him up.
Oh, wow.
That bothers me immensely.
Yeah.
Because that raises the question well, who would that be?
Because, you know, it's not as if the guy has 12 other guys following him around everywhere.
Right.
And the only people really doing any speaking for him are members of his family.
So, you know, I'm wondering what the heck is going on here?
Who have you got around him?
Is it someone that you snuck into his security detail?
You know, what's going on here?
And the allusion to Kennedy is that, yeah, if we can pull his security, we can interfere with yours.
No question.
That's what bothers me about it.
That's shocking.
What a shocking thing.
And it is interesting because a couple of things happened.
Just before one was Vivek, who was in Iowa, right?
Gave a speech on UFOs, right?
On the UFO file, starts talking about how we need to get the UFO file out.
Then he quits his campaign and joins Trump in New Hampshire.
He's rah rah for Trump.
And then Trump goes into, Oh, Uncle John was so good to me and he's looking down on us now.
You know, no reason to mention John, but he does.
So there we are again with that strange crisscross.
It's a reference, sort of saying, you know, remember when you mess with me, you mess with that.
That, right.
Yeah.
And so then you get this weird Soros.
Yeah.
That seems to me a very strange progression.
It's strange only if that.
Off the world connection is not involved in the political cycle.
I personally think that that off world involvement has been there, involved in the political cycle, at least since 9 11.
That's when I think it really steps onto the stage.
We might be even looking at several factions, you know, good guys, bad guys.
Fascinating.
The way I read it is I think Trump is speaking code to the people that know how to decode the steganography, so to speak.
This is the guy that, you know, said that we needed another space force.
And please note the word another.
Yes.
You know, when he said that, I was like, oh, you want that?
Yeah, is it sufficient?
We need another one now.
And again, the Space Force, give me the UFO file back under executive control.
Yeah, amazing.
Yeah, yeah, something is going on and it's space related.
There's no doubt in my mind.
When you add all of the, you know, Antarctica, Von Brown, Jefferson Davis and whatever's going on in Texas at the time.
I want to hear more about that too.
You can feel that you're onto something with that.
That's all I have at the moment.
I'm so dumbfounded by what I've been reading and thinking and how to get it all into a book.
Please don't steal my ideas, folks.
Don't be an Annie Jacobson with me here.
Let me get the book out first.
Don't you know Dr. Mengele set up all those Roswell aliens?
Come on.
She's a genius.
Jesus Christ.
It's one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life.
It's an awful book.
Anyway, what do you expect?
No, I can't say that.
Sometimes you just have to bite your tongue, Feral.
Hey, look, 60 Minutes gave her her own section on their phone.
I know.
I just, you know, come on, guys.
Do a little real digging and research.
Don't be such CIA lap.
Poodles, it was Mengele and Stalin, they did it together.
Mengele and Stalin, well, golly, there's a duo for you, buddies together again, buddies together again, and forever.
This is the weirdest theory of all.
Definitely came out of the CIA.
They're like, Oh, yeah, hey guys, I got one for you.
Let's put out that Stalin and Mengele are working together.
Oh, they created those gray aliens.
Nice.
Joseph, incredible.
Absolutely fascinating today.
And we look forward to your book and we look forward to no one ripping it off in between the time you've mentioned it here and it coming out.
Well, I hope not.
Otherwise, I'm going to have to write the other book I'm thinking about, right?
I want to hear about that as well.
Well, it's going to be if I write that book, it's going to be about everything from the Confederacy to the Papacy.
Just for if you want to put Mengele and Stalin together.
Hey, don't worry, you know, because Ancient Aliens is doing a special Cowboys and Aliens.
Hey, don't worry.
They did a movie on that already.
Right, exactly.
We don't need another one.
It's Broke Back Aliens.
There you go.
It's.
Broke back aliens.
Annie Jacobson was the script consultant.
I'm going to be laughing about that the rest of the night.
You know, some people say the octopuses come from off this planet.
Oh my.
Everything, Joseph, it's all available at GizaDeathStar.com.
Yeah.
The new book?
All my books are there on the website.
They can order them right off the list.
Considering what we just talked about, this book is such a classic.
And Covert Wars and the Clash of Civilizations.
This is a remarkable book and way, way ahead of its time, at least 10 years ahead of its time, reading so much like what's playing out now.
And people are still catching up to this book.
I highly recommend it.
But Demons in the Acre is the new one.
And Joseph, just incredible stuff.
And we look forward to having you back really soon.
Thanks for having me, Daniel.
Great to see you, sir.
Good to see you.
Thank you for joining us for the special interview with Dr. Joseph Farrell.
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