Walter Bosley and Olivia dissect the Nimza conspiracy, tracing anti-gravity tech from the 1850s Sonora Airship Club to Nazi Die Glocke, arguing elites stole a lost future via Operation Paperclip. They expose David Grusch as a likely intelligence asset running perception management while "vet bros" troll critics to discredit researchers like those at SSP conferences. The discussion reveals a deep state strategy using rapid-fire narratives and bot campaigns to confuse the public, privatize UFO imagery through copyright, and camouflage classified technology under sensationalist stories involving figures like Corey Goode and Lou Elizondo. Ultimately, this orchestrated chaos maintains paranoia to control access to legitimate evidence regarding hidden aerospace advancements. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Empire of the Wheel00:02:41
Hello, everyone.
This is Dark Journalist.
Tonight, I have a special interview for you with the author of the Empire of the Wheel series, Walter Bosley.
Walter has brought to light a mysterious group associated with the hidden exotic technology in the UFO file called Nimza.
Their origins were first revealed by a German immigrant artist named Charles Delshow, a member of the obscure Sonora Airship Club.
The secrets of anti gravity were held closely by this group, and their influence from deep state politics to UFO threat ops has been with us for centuries.
Please join us now.
Walter, it's great to have you back.
Hey, Hey, good to be here.
Been a while.
Unbelievable.
You've been doing incredible work.
And, you know, all along the way, we've been following your NIMSA research.
And now it's official, according to you, that you're actually putting out the NIMSA book this fall.
Actually, in September.
In September.
It's coming right up.
Yeah, I'm working on it like it's my main project I'm working on as we speak.
Well, not as we speak, you'd hear the typewriter clacking, but everyone else does all day.
But yeah, I'm currently working on it, and it's Nimza How America Sold.
It's sold, not lost, sold.
And it's not enjoyable material, to say the least.
Well, you've touched on Nimza as a thread throughout your books.
It's in Origins, is the one where I really think you.
Fleshed it out.
It's in the Empire books as well.
Why don't we start off with what is NIMSA?
What's its connection to the advanced technology?
And how far back does the airship aspect of NIMSA go?
From my research, it can be traced through the history of engineering, okay, and pursuing the kinds of technologies that lead to what.
Secrets of the Racine Turbine00:15:09
Charles Delshow described and what actually was starting to be developed in the 20th century.
You can pull that thread back to the late 18th century, but potentially it could go back many thousands of years to the age of the Mahabharata and the Rama Empire and things like that.
However, Charles Delshow provides a very explicit and diagrammed Example or description of what the Sonora, the legendary Sonora Aero Club, was, according to Dell Schau, using to power its flying machines in the 1850s.
What's interesting is I was digging around doing a report on the bell, okay, Die Glocke, the Nazi bell, and its connections possibly to Sonora Aero Club type of technology.
And that's when I discovered the.
The Racine turbine, okay, by McCorn Racine.
He published his turbine design.
He was one of the two guys who are the fathers of the study of thermodynamics, okay, in the 19th century.
And he designed his turbine and published it, his system, his design, in 1849, okay, the year before, or, you know, just the last year of the decade prior to.
When Del Shao tells us the Sonora Aero Club was flying around.
And here's the thing it is virtually identical.
I mean, when I say virtually, I mean it is identical, but there's one thing over here and in the other one, it's over that kind of thing.
But it is the same exact thing.
Very human technology, very developed earthbound, developed by one of the fathers of thermodynamics.
And it convinced me that Peter Menes, the reported leader of the Sonora Aero Club, Simply applied the racine turbine to the arrows, the flying arrows.
That's what gave him the edge.
Yeah, yeah.
And now remember, Del Xiao said he had a secret fuel, a fuel with a secret recipe, okay, that he didn't tell anybody, the green stuff called the soup, okay?
And it looks to me like Menace used his secret fuel in a racine turbine system to get the, what, the anti gravity airborne properties that Del Xiao describes.
So.
When you have that in existence, and that's a matter of history, that's documented factual history, this design of this Racine turbine.
Okay, you can Google it and you'll see it.
That right there suggests that, okay, here now is where the Sonora Aero Club got this system for their propulsion, for their lift to power these flying machines, these arrows.
Other groups could have done the same thing.
The whoever's responsible for the 1890s airship mystery, the same kind of process, just a little bit more advanced, right?
And when we go into the 20th century, again, that much more advanced.
And certainly the German engineers and the German scientists and stuff would have been fully aware of the Racine turbine, particularly if they were studying thermodynamics.
So it looks to me like, all this to say, it looks to me like.
The Racine Turbine is where this started.
And it was published in 1849.
And I think German and American engineers ran with it.
The Sonora Aero Club is supposed to be German immigrants.
Peter Menes was a German immigrant.
And as we know, as I've talked about, as you've talked about, they have their connection to their sponsor, the mysterious Nimza.
Right.
Fascinating.
Walter, if you, there's 100 years between that.
Particular patent in the bell.
So we're talking about a century of missing development.
Right.
And the bell, remember, is a different device.
Here's the thing when you get to Delshow and the Sonora Aero Club, you're into the 1850s.
Another thing that was a modification to what I say was the adaptation of the Racine turbine, another modification that they did was.
This element that would rotate and spin, and um, uh, in Del Show's drawings that he did in the late 19th century, claiming that this is what the Sonora Air Club was using and doing, he essentially draws the bell thanks to Stephen Romano of the Romano Gallery, whose gallery published this absolutely beautiful book.
I don't know if you've seen it, The Art of Del Show.
It's a big coffee, yeah, amazing.
That's the best book to see Del Show's writings in these arrows.
Well, in that.
We were looking and I pointed out to him, hey, on page such and such, there's the bell.
And as you recall, I copied that over and show that in Origin.
Right.
And I think also in Incredible Wheel 2 Friends from Sonora, but definitely in Origin.
And I've talked about it.
And so that is the first instance of the bell.
So when you have the Racine turbine, which Menace's propulsion system, according to Dell Xiao, was virtually identical.
Okay, then you add the element of whatever the bell, you know, is, was.
You've got that there.
Del Shouse claiming they were using that in the 1850s.
So I argue that the Bell's origin as we know it is the Sonora Aero Club in the 1850s, as far as German development of it, as far as German development.
Now, you could argue that that whole thing about the Bell, I point out in a report I do, I did kind of a special report on the Bell.
Did it exist or not?
You know, as such, on my Walter Bosley channel at YouTube, you can go through the video list and see it.
I show how the ancient East Indian technology, you know, the Vimanas, shows almost virtual, you know, identical design to what the Bell is and to what Del Show claims that they used in the Sonora Aero Club flying machines.
So it could have a pedigree of thousands of years old, but as far as what we can directly connect, You know, the Germans too.
I see where it starts with the Sonora Aero Club and their bell.
And then in the 1890s, remember, you have descriptions of the machinery and propulsion system, which also suggest that an advancement on the bell, as Dell Schau claimed was being used in the 1850s, was also applied to the 1890s airship mystery.
So there you had, oh my gosh, what, four or five decades of somebody playing with this and developing it.
Before the Germans, excuse me, like seven decades.
It's like 70 years between what Dell Schau claims in the 1850s was an application of the Bell device and when we're told that Nazi Germany started messing with it.
So they had, somebody had 70 years of development of this thing before we get to the 20th century.
So a long way around the barn.
Yeah, it's fascinating.
Isn't there a blueprint associated with this that looks like a uranium reactor as well?
I think so.
Of the bell.
Yeah.
When you get into the 20th century and you get into a serious discussion of the Nazi bell, yeah, it starts looking like some other very real things.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I think there's a picture in a Feral book of your stuff.
And he makes that comparison.
I'm trying to think.
I think it's one of the breakaway civilization books.
Oh, okay.
But the whole idea of this technology existing before, let's take the UFO wave for a moment.
Mm hmm.
You've got this whole line of history and of thinking saying 47, Kenneth Arnold, and that massive wave, the Roswell crash, all these things happened.
There are all these anniversaries this summer about this.
And we just went through the 75th, 76th anniversary of a number of these.
But in fact, if you peer in a little bit deeper using the type of lens that you're going into this with, you're finding the airship mystery, et cetera, going back into the 19th century.
And, you know, recently we did an episode on the Cosmos Club, which is something of a deep study in this.
But the Cosmos Club people show up around that airship mystery.
What's the connection there?
And how far back and secret does this technology have to be kept in the 19th century?
Well, we're talking one of our favorite guys in American history, Colonel Samuel Tillman.
Tillman.
And, you know, I stumbled into this by, you know, Samuel Tillman with Amos Dolbear are named as.
Crew members identifying themselves as Tillman and Dolbear, right?
We know this in the 1890s.
You know, it's in one of the newspaper accounts.
And so I did what you do, right?
You look at the newspaper account and you say, okay, was there really a Tillman and a Dole Bear?
So I jumped in and I'm like, oh my, there really were.
And here's the funny thing it's not like they were Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan, popularly famous scientist guys.
These guys weren't rock stars of their time.
One was a military nerd and the other one was a civilian nerd.
Okay, so who would, if they were faking it, use those names?
So I'm in the camp that there was some type of thing that somebody, you know, the airship account is true, and that was Colonel Tillman and Dolbear.
And then in looking at Tillman, is how I learned about this thing called the Cosmos Club.
Right.
And I only took it as far as the things they were into, and then really got into Tillman as far as the extent of would he have been the kind of guy that would have been involved with airships and airships.
Absolutely, as you know, his background he, you know, the chemistry, the cartography, the you know, everything.
And, um, I gotta say, I love how far you have taken pulled the Cosmos Club threat because, oh, wow, okay, yeah, that makes, I mean, I was just listening the other night about John Wesley and there, I'm still learning.
So, like, whoa, I didn't know that.
So, uh, Tillman, um, was a U.S. Army officer and, uh, he was a scientist officer, he was an ST guy.
And the span of his career was perfect and identical for what I argue is the development of secret airship technology from the post Civil War era up into the 1890s.
And so it's really just a perfect match.
And he's the right guy.
And so that right there, I thought, was a.
Big, big plus for those of us arguing that the airship mystery was really airships and not some of the ridiculous things that people and that it wasn't also an April Fool's hoax by newspapermen.
Oh, come on.
Unbelievable.
Now, do you think the fact that they mention Tillman in the article that this is like possibly they were going to reveal the technology, they were going to roll out, hey, we have flight, and then there was just a kibosh on it, and you get the Wright brothers.
Five years later, who are living at the Cosmos Club.
That, if I heard you say that before, I didn't remember it.
It's like, they're living at the Cosmos Club.
What more?
What more could anyone ask?
What's interesting about, yeah, the idea that they were about to reveal this stuff and then the kibosh on it?
Todd Wood and I have been, we've done two volumes of a series of books, which we call the Lost Future series.
Now, what do we mean by that?
We're of the mind that.
Some group, you know, some powers, elites, or whatever, in the late 19th century decided to usurp the coming century.
In other words, we were headed into a very different 20th century, a very different world, a better one, likely a better one.
And somebody on the level of the elites decided otherwise.
And that's why we ended up with the 20th century we got, where a push towards certain types of industrialization, a push for constant war.
Right.
The whole idea of the emergence of the modern military industrial complex.
And they decided that, nah, you're not going to get people of the world.
We're in control now, and you're going to get a different 20th century.
And that's what we mean by the lost future.
So, yeah, the idea that this kind of technology was maybe on the cusp of being revealed to the public, to the world, and then yanked from our hands, it makes sense because I think these airships were real, but where was this technology?
During World War I, even.
Why did we suddenly get pushed into these ridiculous little gliders?
I mean, how many feet did the Wright Flyer fly?
And they were all popping champagne, and they get the credit for this.
Oh, how brilliant.
Okay.
But there were brilliant things being done before that.
Parallel Histories and Moon Myths00:15:46
And some argue that I can never remember his name.
There was a film starring Glenn Ford, the guy that was in San Diego maybe the decade before.
The Wright brothers and he had Mike Montgomery.
Yeah.
You know, right.
Like Kearney Mesa or something is where I live, but I can never.
I think it was Glenn Ford.
It was one of those earnest, you know, good guy type of actors playing him.
But, you know, that guy is someone that I never heard of until I saw that movie on TCM.
I'm like, well, what's this?
You know, so that's what.
So exactly what you're talking about is the, you know, the, the, the, uh, Usurpation of the 20th century.
That's a great way to put it.
And there's a real dark side that you pursue on the whole Nimza front, which is the extent to which it invades the whole American Democratic Republic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, Joseph Farrell, our friend Dr. Farrell, had, I was going to do this Nimza thing a few years back.
And so he recommended a couple of.
Books that I look at that I'd never heard of.
And the first one I looked at just shocked me.
It shocked me.
And it was like, you know, the veil was lifted.
The history of the United States after World War II made complete sense within the context of this.
And it was also depressing.
It was, whoa, what do I do with this?
I don't know how to deal with this right now.
So I put it aside.
And it was a video series I was doing actually on my YouTube.
So I put it aside.
And then I think it was late last year, earlier this year, I decided, no, I need to do this book.
People really need to know this.
And so I dove into the two sources, some of the most, from the perspective of what we're talking about, some of the most depressing material I've ever read.
So I decided, okay, I got to do this book.
And essentially, what I'm going to hopefully prove, you know, or definitely argue in the book is that the United States was invaded, overtaken, and conquered through Operation Paperclip.
When you learn the real details, the history of Operation Paperclip, when you see how I'm going to lay it out, and this isn't originating with me.
This is other sources, and this is looking at the history.
But I'm going to lay out how this was their plan all along, something like this.
And it totally fits within the modus operandi of how the Prussian culture in Germany has done things for a long time.
It just fits the pattern.
And what's really depressing about it is how, in the excitement of the glory of World War II, we emerge as the big power that we are.
Big heroes of World War II.
We were stirred up immediately into the Cold War.
You know, not that the Soviet Union, don't get me wrong, folks, the Soviet Union was terrible.
It was awful.
They were every bit as murderous as Hitler's Germany.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
And so we did have to be concerned about them.
But what was done to us was we basically gladly sold our souls.
In the name of defense.
So we went about that guided by nefarious intentions.
And it's shocking how what's happened to the United States, industrially, militarily, politically, and even culturally, all fits with what I'm going to lay out, which is a modus operandi that's very old.
And it all fits.
And it's the only thing that makes sense.
In other words, Joseph Farrell has been telling us about the Nazi International all these years, and folks, he's right.
So I know I'm going to get some, oh God, there's Bosley quoting Farrell again, but hey, sorry, guys.
No, there's a knee jerk reaction against the Nazi exploration.
They're like, well, the Nazis were in World War II, and that's where it ended.
Don't be sad.
They're like, it's an interesting piece, I think, in all this that when you get to something as hardcore.
In changing the system, is the JFK assassination that the researchers who do it, the deep state researchers who do it professionally, don't mention the Nazi aspect at all.
Yeah, isn't that weird?
JFK assassination and other assassinations and everything I'm going to point out, okay, it's all right out of a playbook that has been used for a long time.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
This is why this is so interesting to me, also, because If you get around the JFK part with Nimza, you're going to cut right into those corners of NASA and this kind of like secondary space program being built up over there that he's trying to get control of.
And that's explosive because for me, that's part of the reason of covering up the whole thing to the level that it's been covered up.
Yeah.
Because you still have a massive aerospace presence in the middle of all.
Sure.
Sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
And remember, Nimza, from the Dell Show perspective, Remember, Del Show's touchstone with them, his experience of the elephant that, you know, is this mysterious German thing, was Nimza, the organization that, from his perspective and experience, was the flight, okay, the exotic technology, right?
Right.
So, to me, absolutely, I see that when they decided to take over, to become a parasite in the United States and take it over from within.
And it was because we were the big power on the block now, because we had the resources, because they could use us and our science and technology and our resources, okay?
And they could use all that to flesh out their own ideas that they'd had for decades, you know, in many cases.
And so it should be no surprise that we suspect classified, you know, space program activities going on, secret space program stuff, because.
Right.
This is what they wanted.
You know, they were always obsessed with, you know, first it was flight, then it was, you know, getting off the planet, basically, I think, to see what and who is out there.
Oh, interesting.
Because it brings us into the whole Musk question and the SpaceX, you know, DARPA connection and all that.
And then the kind of resources that are already available to them in space that we haven't gone back to the moon since 1972.
So it puts us in a weird position of 50 years of missing development again.
If that's the case, you know me, I think that if they find a way to do things secretly.
Yes.
And for whatever reason, you know, I don't know if it was when you get into the resources, the industrial potential, right?
You know, mineral resources, that kind of thing, claiming all of that.
I don't know if that's what put the lid, clamped the lid on no more public exposure.
You know, so close to the moon, let them see it every night.
They can't really see anything.
Or if it was encountering someone else up there.
I don't know exactly, but I don't think we stopped sending things to the moon.
Exactly.
You know, I've always wanted to ask you this since we're talking about the moon, and I don't think people ask you enough about it because a lot of your ideas around the moon are very interesting.
Do you think we went there before we went there?
Yes.
Yeah, to me, for very practical reasons, the whole Apollo program, public Apollo program, was a dog and pony show, Cold War dog and pony show.
Okay.
And I argue that they weren't really going to do this for the first time in front of the eyes of the world the way Apollo 11 was done.
Right.
Because they want it.
Now, don't get me wrong.
People get their.
I heard this phrase the other day this vet bro culture.
You know, you get these guys that, you know, hey, When I was a little kid, I watched all the Apollo landings and stuff too.
These guys are heroes of mine.
Okay.
So, vet bros, calm down because I'm not saying that Apollo 11 wasn't real.
I think the people who say we didn't go, we faked it, are fools.
And I'm not saying it wasn't just as dangerous and risky for Apollo 11 to go.
Okay.
I'm saying that because of that, they would rather know that it could be done.
Rather than, hey, let's trot out the very first time we try this.
We're not sure it'll work.
Let's do it in front of the world in a Cold War.
I don't think so.
It's my belief that they did it.
They did a landing secretly before they did Apollo 11.
And when you look at the demeanor of the astronauts afterwards, like, think about it.
You're supposed to be the very first human being in known history to step foot on the moon, and you're going to be an aweshucks shy guy, not doing parades, not being public the way Neil Armstrong was.
I don't care how aweshucks you are.
You know, you're going to go out and go, oh, golly, it was nothing, folks.
And you're going to let yourself be celebrated.
In fact, you're going to do it because the public demands it.
You know, you are this amazing human.
Well, I argue that it's because he knew those guys knew they weren't the first.
They were good soldiers, good, you know, employees, and they went along with it because, you know, it was just the way it was being done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But my understanding is one of the pre, I think it was Apollo 10 was the one that practiced the close pass.
Okay.
Well, it could have been either Apollo 10 or it could have been a completely secret mission.
But I argue that they, Tested it to make sure that whole thing could work before they did Apollo 11.
Absolutely fascinating.
You know, this really gets to it too, because it's like there's a parallel history running side by side with the normal history.
And when you dig into that, you can find traces of it.
In your work, you can track it incredibly well.
Unfortunately, there's a large disinfo mob around Apollo and around Flat Earth and this kind of thing.
And it's interesting because it says once you start thinking outside of the official picture, you have to be in one of these camps.
But it's absolutely incorrect.
Right, right.
And it's interesting, I would say, if you're questioning the official narrative and you're wondering which camp you want to be in for a while and explore, consider the one that even the other camps don't want you talking about.
Like the flat earthers.
No, no, no, it's our thing.
And then this, that, and the other.
It's kind of like Joseph Farrell again with the Nazi International.
There's people out there that just vehemently want it to be anything but that.
So you got to wonder hmm, he thinks they do protest too much.
And it could be the same thing.
What are the other options that could explain this that are being ignored?
And I say that's the one to explore.
Greg Bishop, who you know well also, he said something years ago that I've always liked.
And he said that if you have a UFO experience, And you see this UFO right in front of your eyes, and you're just dazzled.
He says, Turn around and look behind you to see what's there that maybe that UFO is distracting you from.
Interesting.
So I like that.
It's kind of just great as a metaphor.
All right.
Yeah.
When I had my UFO experience, I did that.
I was like, Oh, Greg says, look behind it.
Well, a lot of people remember you and the start of your work from your appearance in Mirage Men.
I had actually, yeah, I had been around on Greg's show for what, like a couple of years.
Yeah.
When I was asked to, when he said, hey, these guys.
And I'm like, yeah, okay.
And I hadn't even come up with the Disneyland book yet.
Wow.
So, yeah, I was amazing.
It's a real trip through history to be.
And that's like, you know, what's one of those high points that comes up that documentary?
And then there you are right in the middle of it.
When you look at that, there's a curve there.
I forget the year that that came out, but we're looking at about two decades of development around the independent alternative research side.
And now we have this UFO Inc. thing going on you know, copyright UFO picture.
It's Jeremy Corbell's picture.
It's a Tic Tac UFO copyright trademark.
And this is this kind of privatization of the whole idea of the UFO thing.
Where do you think we are 20 years later with this?
That being used to control access to legitimate UFO evidence and data.
I think that they tested, somebody tested that with, if you recall, I can never remember this guy's name, but NASA, oddly, contracted a civilian and he came away with ownership of photographs having to do, you know, taken during the space program.
In other words, taxpayers paid for the machinery, taxpayers paid for the mission, taxpayers paid for the medium in which these photos were snapped, but the civilian, Owns the rights and access to them.
Wow.
And I remember people were really questioning that, going, you know, what's up with this?
And then you had, if you recall, what about, I can't believe it's eight years, you know, since Corey Good emerged, but a few years ago, I think three years ago or whatever, Corey Good tries this copyright and just the threat, wanting, putting in for a copyright to control SSP and some basic terms like, you know, somebody would copyright UFO, the term UFO.
Weaponizing Space Threat Narratives00:15:27
Corporate trademark.
Yeah.
So I think that if they don't do it themselves, test the waters themselves, they pay close attention to other people testing those waters to see if they succeed at it, to give them a legal precedence to come in and then control it.
So I think that they saw Corey Good.
They kind of rolled their eyes, shake their heads because they know what he was about, a bunch of nonsense.
And that didn't go far.
That didn't fly.
But now Jeremy Corbell.
Is doing this and just doing it.
And only, you know, people like us are the ones pointing out, hey, wait a minute, that he doesn't own the object.
And I guess he does this on footage other people have taken.
So I think it is a trend that we're going to see continue.
People are going to be throwing that spaghetti on the wall to see, you know, if they can make it stick.
And the first instance where someone is allowed to do that.
Then I think that's going to be the precedent.
And the whole idea is then to control the real photos, the photos where it's a real one, and they can control our access.
Because, as you know, it's all about controlling the narrative.
They've been doing that for a long time.
There's no question about it.
And the research that you do over and over again, you know, it opens up areas because when we get into the disclosures that we're hearing, for example, the stuff that came forward.
With Grush, which was pushed over the top by the site, the debrief, and Russ Cole Hart with, like, you're the first person from the government who's ever come forward and said this.
I was like, where's this guy been?
I mean, oh, well, there you bring up, yeah, you bring up another problem.
I argue that Cole Hart knows better than to have said something like that, but here's the problem it feeds this.
We have an epidemic problem in the ufology community, specifically since 2000.
17.
And that is the mass of newbies, the new who know nothing about ufology history.
Yeah.
And they don't care.
This is why Bob Lazar is being taken seriously again.
Yeah.
Because Corbell knows who to play that nonsense to.
Right.
And Colthart is playing to the same level of ignorance.
No question.
Those of us who've been around for years, we saw Grush coming from two miles away.
You know, he's nonsense, he's full of crap.
But it's remembered, they're pushing this to the noobs, right?
So they've completely bypassed anyone who actually knows anything.
Well, sure, sure.
And the other thing they're doing is they're recycling, you know, old stories that doesn't matter to what level they've been debunked, they're just recycling, but they're doing something extra now.
They're doing saturation.
In other words, we don't just get Lou Elizondo, we get Lou and the CIA group.
Okay, we don't just get Him, but we get Grush, and as soon as you debunk Lou, you know, as soon as you debunk Lou, someone who was the other guy?
Gary Nolan.
Well, there was Gary Nolan, but then there was the CIA guy, the older CIA guy.
Femi Ban is Juan Garcia.
Oh, Ramirez.
Ramirez, yes.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
There was Ramirez, and as soon as people say, eh, no, Ramirez, then you get that someone else came along, and then Grush.
See, what they're doing is they're just.
They're hitting us with rapid fire.
Yeah.
Wear us down.
Yeah.
And they don't care that these guys are out there, the new flavor of the week.
They get debunked.
Here comes another one.
And the thing is, the noobs are just overwhelmed because remember, a lot of them are of that short attention span generation.
So there's another reason why they know nothing about the history.
They can't pay attention to reading, you know, a couple of books or watching a really good documentary.
For more than five minutes or two pages, because their attention spans.
This is the way they've been.
You're getting back into what I and many others are talking about that the Operation Paper Nazis did to our society and our culture.
They bred that generation.
This is the social engineering.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is the social engineering.
And this is the reward and the benefit that the deep state gets is because, you know, I'm older than you.
We're both getting older.
We're going to age out.
So, they're playing to the up and coming generation that will not question.
You know, they're, they're, they're because they want to believe.
Oh, yeah.
So, they're not going to question like we do.
No, I mean, that main line of UFO people, they're either dead or in their 80s practically.
And then there's this other wave of people who've investigated the thing, say, like the work that you've done, the work that Farrell's done.
And you're right.
All they have to do is kind of wait that out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and, and it's unfortunate when some of the, you know, the old guard, Sells out the way they do too.
Yes.
I mean, people who we know and acquainted with personally who started out doing great work have just ended up, you know, it's kind of sad with the direction they took and the stuff they bought into.
And it is.
It is because their whole work was based on the fact that the government was keeping something from them.
And then they started like, hey, government disclosure, the CIA loves us, you know.
That is outrageous in a sense.
And if you compare some of them with the work that they were doing.
Five, 10 years ago, it's totally strange.
It's almost like Invasion of the Body Snatches.
Well, look at, let's look at Jacques Valet.
In my opinion, his best work stopped after the early 90s.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
His most important work.
And those were the years up until then, he would look at stuff other than the ET hypothesis, which is what they always want to.
And again, you know me, I totally accept, of course, ETs exist.
My gosh, it's a huge.
Of course, there's going to be intelligent life out there.
And yeah, they have come here, and I think they do come here.
It's just that they don't explain the majority of sightings, they don't explain everything that's going on.
Right.
Okay.
The problem ET narrative is the one that, nope, that's the explanation for all of it.
Don't think about these other things.
And, you know, so talking about Valet, that's unfortunately the direction he embraced, ironically.
But I recommend people really go back and look at the stuff he was doing in the 70s, 80s, and into the early 90s Passport to Magonia, the revelations, confrontations, that kind of stuff.
It's much deeper work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's just one example, you know, of what we're talking about.
So, no, it's shocking.
And I think that that's part of a program over time of watering down the stuff and getting it to fit this narrative that's coming in.
I think it's interesting with Grush.
And I mentioned to you that I have a pipeline over to Burchett, and I've been trying to get some material to him.
One of the things that he's the only person, I think, in that whole congressional setup who actually wants to get to the bottom of things, but I also feel that he's being naive.
Taking Grush so seriously.
One of the things that I've noticed that he's done is he said, Well, Grush was in the military, he would know.
And I want to point this out, which is you have a military background and you were also in the special office of the Air Force, AFOSI.
So you know something about how these types of ops run.
So could you say, if this was a direct message from us to Representative Tim Burchett, could you tell him that Grush potentially could be?
Running some kind of an operation.
Or he could be, yeah, somebody's running an operation and he's the asset that they're using at the moment.
First of all, it starts with oh, this person's in the military.
They're of high virtue.
Folks, I and others who have been special agents in military investigative agencies, a lot of part of what they do is to investigate military members who are.
Criminals who are willfully, intentionally being dishonest, lying, stealing, committing crimes.
Okay, that's the ugly side of it.
It's just like the world on the outside, you know, not everybody is of high virtue.
Okay, so you have to take them on an individual basis.
Now, the operational side of it, absolutely, the congressman's being a little naive just to take Grush's word at face value because.
If he were to study just the history of intelligence operations, particularly perception management operations, double agent operations, I think he would have a different view of characters like Grush.
Because anybody who's been in that world immediately sees the signs and the red flags that Grush is totally just spouting a script.
And the body language guys who are civilians, well, one of them has been involved with intelligence ops and military and stuff.
But those four guys, I can never remember what their names are and stuff, but they did a fantastic, each one of them did an independent body language analysis, and all four of them came away unanimous that, yeah, this guy, this is a false narrative.
He's willfully, you know, like he's been instructed to do this.
Yes.
That's incredible.
I mean, first of all, getting those guys unanimous, I think, is rare enough.
Yeah.
But I think with that background, and You know, I think when you look at these things with your own trained military background, you can see someone like Grush and you can look at him and say, and listen to what he's saying and say, like, oh, well, he could be being, you know, put out there for this particular purpose.
Yeah.
And remember, folks, that doesn't make him necessarily a bad guy because, from his perspective, he might believe the narrative.
He could have every reason, as an intelligence officer in the military, he could have very good reason for believing what he's being told, not questioning what.
His superiors and his colleagues, and the files that are put in front of him, the briefings that he's getting.
So, in his view, whatever the reason for the operation that he's told it is, he could be going into this not with the intention of telling an evil, rotten lie and induping the American people and deceiving them.
It could be that he feels like he's serving some national security cause.
I get that.
Um, I, of course, am someone like you who has crossed a threshold where no, I'm still gonna question, you know, I'm still gonna question, okay, I was it was shown me in a briefing, but you know, do I have any reason to think they left something out?
Case in point, when I got my when I first got into the air force and and first reported to my OSI detachment, and I had to go get my briefings, my official briefings, so I could.
I came to the Air Force with a bunch of access and I had a clearance level with the FBI, this, that, and the other.
It was TSSCI already.
But you get your tickets.
Those are your different levels of security classification.
So I had to go over to the vault and, or the, I'm sorry, the Intel unit, not the vault in that case.
I had to go over to the Intel unit and get my briefings so that I officially was briefed in up to my ticket level.
And I won't tell you how many I got.
That's not prudent.
But I came away from that and have thought for years that the interesting way in which they gave you what they were giving you and showing what they were showing you was such a certain aspect of it was such that in the course of your duties,
of course, if you got exposed to certain secrets and stuff, it actually could fit within.
What they briefed.
If people think that you go when you get your security levels, you get a briefing on specifics of programs and stuff like that.
That's not how it works.
You get this briefing that says, okay, now at your level, you're going to be aware of assets up to this level.
And this is how some of it works.
And some of it had to do with space based stuff.
Absolutely.
But what it is is because you're going to be exposed to specific classified programs where you are going to learn the technical details.
Okay, and the mission specifics, and you see, oh, that's what they were talking about when they vaguely referred to this thing in orbit.
They were talking about this stuff, right?
Kind of thing.
And so, um, uh, still there's this margin for you have to acknowledge they could tell you anything they want because you're gonna trust them, right?
You're right, this is your job, you're you know, you're also what and and.
And so, when you think about that, particularly after you get out and you're looking at other things, you could see how the threat narrative could be so believed by everybody who's on active duty.
My views on it changed over time, just in recent years, because I see how they're working that.
And you know me, my position is I don't think.
That we're never going to encounter a threat from space.
That's naive and foolish.
What I do think is you're right there, absolutely spinning us up under the threat narrative.
And people rightfully point to the war on terror era, right?
It constantly had us in a state of it's this level, it's that level.
Rogan, Pilots, and State Secrets00:04:53
They're around every corner, the paranoia.
So that's what they're working on.
They're using the space threat narrative now, I think.
To work us up into a state of paranoia where we'll just nod and agree to anything they want to do operationally.
Absolutely.
You know, so yeah, I'm not the first to say this, but when you're still on active duty, for example, working in that world, and you're just coming off, like Grush has only been out how long, right?
Didn't he just?
Not very long.
Yeah.
Not very long.
Yeah.
So it's more easy for him to believe that perspective is gospel.
And oh my gosh, they would never, because you do know secret.
Things that the public doesn't know about.
You do know about when threats.
I'll tell you right now, when I was in LA, there was twice that I got one was a phone call from my direct supervisor.
She was chief of the branch I worked for.
And she said, Need you to come in the office, went in the office.
But this happened on two occasions over the course of two years where I and another agent got pulled in and told, Hey, we're pulling your deployment bags.
We might.
Be having you on a plane to Korea because sabers are rattling bad enough from North Korea that we might, there might be an Air Force response, and you and so and so will be our agents over there from our detachment.
And yet, that was not to be mentioned publicly.
I was allowed to tell my wife because she worked for FBI and had a TS clearance and at the time was on a counterintelligence, you know, so I could tell her because we have a kid, it's like, hey, I might have to deploy, but this is.
You know, that happened twice.
The public never knew about it.
Incredible.
It didn't.
So, that's an example of what we're talking about how there are real world things that go on that the public never hears about.
And so, of course, what does that do?
That builds trust because you've lived it, you've experienced it.
So, it's a lot easier for them to tell you, hey, there, airman, or hey, there, captain, or hey, there, special agent.
There's a threat coming from Ganymede, and the people don't know it.
And so.
Before, you know, a lot of people just want to throw the baby out the bathwater, condemn the military people who are part of that apparatus without thinking that to some extent they can be duped totally too.
Oh, absolutely.
You know, it's giving, it's almost like giving them plausible deniability because it's like, hey, I came out, you know, because I heard this.
And another thing that we know about Grush is he doesn't claim to have actually seen anything, it's everything is referral, right?
That's where his thing falls apart, I think.
Yeah, he has some great answers for tap dancing, as you call it.
You know, they say, well, are there dead aliens associated with these UFO crash retrievals?
And he's like, well, sometimes when things crash, you find pilots.
Yeah, isn't that interesting?
Pilots, pilots.
What do you make of the language, uh, beside the body language, just the actual vocabulary that this guy's laying out there?
I think he's just filling a gap.
Um, I think whatever, if it is what we suspect that it's an assignment, I think he's filling a gap between who, you know, the storyteller before him that they're putting out there and then the next one that they're going to throw at us.
Cause I really do think there's more to do a rapid fire.
Oh, yeah.
They're just going to keep doing it and doing it and doing it.
And, um, You know, because that's what's going to get the attention.
So they just figured out how to keep the media spotlight on their narrative.
And that's just by one right after the other.
You know, and think about it when you got people like Joe Rogan helping them by giving Bob Lazar legitimacy, they don't have any screening at all.
You know, someone asked me, What's your favorite Rogan show?
And I said, He's never done a UFO show.
In fact, You know, he's done shows about UFOs that are just these unvetted.
You know, let Christopher Mellon from the intelligence operations come in and talk about it.
Joe Rogan is a shrewd businessman in what he does, yeah.
He's a master at what he does, and he's a very sharp businessman, but he's not too swift if he's really honestly trying to get us legitimate sources and information.
And he, you're right, he did no background on Lazar, and um.
That's incredible.
I mean, it is, it's very interesting because even a half inch deep, you know, touring of some of that stuff would throw it out.
Flaws in the Movie Narrative00:02:52
But look what happens.
I mean, and I bring this up every time I'm on every opportunity I get.
Go back and find that video where Corbell is on a debate stage with Stanton Friedman and look at what a disgusting, trolling, unprofessional, Oh, yeah.
That Korbel was in a public forum to Stanton Friedman.
It was all this trolling ad hominem, you know, bro douchery, you know.
And of course, the other, you know, bros out there, all right, dude, all right.
These are the same people that, you know, that are cheering on Rogan bringing Lazarn.
And this is what they do a naysayer comes out intelligently and points out, hey, wait a minute, this is nonsense.
They get, they, they get bro beat.
And they get trolled, and some of the trolls are, it's an organized thing.
Yeah.
In that school, too.
There are bots involved as well.
Yeah.
I just got it recently.
Okay.
Oh, really?
I did.
I went and saw because all the bad stuff we were hearing about the Indiana Jones movie, the new one, right?
So it got to the point where I've seen all of them in the theater.
I wasn't going to not see this one.
I went to it.
It is a deeply flawed movie in parts.
It's an hour too long.
There's a section of it.
The second section of the movie goes on way too long.
And if the whole movie were that, I would have hated it too.
Because it's just, it's an awful, just ugh.
And you're glad that it's over.
But after it's over, and you, and you know, I watched the rest of the movie.
And so I did a review, you know, because I do pop culture stuff on my channel.
I did a review in which I said, Hey, just what I said, I go, it's a very flawed movie.
Phoebe Waller Bridge's character is annoying as hell.
She's, you just don't like her at all.
But I acknowledged this movie is not as bad as the haters are saying.
And her character goes through a story, a dramatic arc.
And, you know, I don't hate this movie.
Again, it's flawed.
Yes, you can see where they changed what they changed because they knew the audience, you know, and on and so forth.
It's a flawed movie.
Okay, my viewers loved it.
I had three guys come out of nowhere who I'd never heard of before behind screen names just coming at me, telling me I was going to lose view subscribers and I'm a woke lefty, you know, and all this stuff.
And oh, yeah, you and your Hollywood friends and all this.
And I'm like, Oh, it's your zip code, Walter.
That's yeah, just piss off.
You know, it's because I don't tolerate trolls who hide behind screen names.
I'm sorry.
Oh, yeah.
You know, show me my real name's out there, my face is out here.
Show me yours.
Trolls Hiding Behind Screens00:09:51
And they never do, but what but that's an example exactly they would just, you know, hit to try to intimidate.
And it's organized.
It's interesting.
Um, when you get around the UFO thing, you see some of these accounts pop up almost immediately.
As soon as you put out something against one of their heroes, you know, Grush or one of these guys, and they're there immediately saying, like, he's risked his life, you know, he's putting his life out of line.
Those are the vet bros.
Those are the vet bros.
There's a guy that he's a veteran himself, infantryman, and he's a fan of Band of Brothers.
And he does this TikTok thing and he goes through and he tells you the real stories of the guys who are depicted in the series.
He even tells you where they got it wrong or they purposely painted the guy like a villain.
Unfairly, because that's how the public is going to think of this guy who's a veteran of Normandy or what have you.
And this guy tells you the true story, you know, and I agree with him doing it.
And that's where I learned the term vet bros because he gets the vet bro.
Oh, dude, these are heroes, man.
It's, you know, no one's questioning whatever they might have done in, you know, combat or dangerous situations or whatever.
Exactly.
It doesn't mean that they're being honest about.
Their UFO narrative.
Well, this brings us right back to the Burchett thing because Burchett said, Well, there's only two possibilities.
You know, we have these honorable military guys telling us the truth about these UFOs, or they're crazy and some of our leading military people are crazy.
That's it.
No, that's not.
There's a third option, which is they're part of an operation and they're being put out there under some kind of counterintelligence narrative.
Yeah.
Well, these guys, I think, think about it.
I see a scenario where he might have been.
You know, gonna say that, and somebody said, Oh, no, you won't go there.
We don't know.
Because, you know, I could see that being done.
They play hardball, you know, with that stuff.
And somebody, somebody, I think, I think a certain aspect of whatever this agenda is got involved with our community because of those legitimate.
Partially because of those legitimate SSP conferences.
Right.
You were at 2015.
Yes.
I've said this before.
I've said it here.
That whole group was getting a little too close to the real truth.
And so the spotlight had to be yanked off of them.
And I think that's why the storytellers like Corey Good and stuff were encouraged and emerged.
And it wasn't that Corey Good was some intelligence asset.
He was so brilliant.
No, what it was is there were idiots and liars out there.
And I think.
I think the assets, okay, take a popular, say, radio show in our community, okay?
Take a popular radio show.
You can think of one, I'm sure.
Right.
It's on every night.
There could be all it takes is one person on the executive or production staff who makes decisions about guests.
All it takes is one person to be, you know, a contact, an associate of someone in an intelligence agency who has influence.
And the influence could be hey, if you really want to have people on that's talking about, you know, the inside skinny on what's really going on with this stuff.
You might want to have that guy and that guy over there.
These guys over here, you know, Farrell and Fitz and Paul LaVillette and et cetera, they don't know.
But good, you know, this Corey Good guy, you might want to, you know, start talking to him more.
And it can be as subtle as that, or it can be start focusing on them and get the light off of these guys anywhere on that spectrum.
That's how it works.
Okay.
So I really do think that somebody in the, You know, the deep state military industrial complex that has the stake that's doing all this false narrative stuff.
I think they had some hand in the shift, um, from in the SSP discussion in our community, the shift from the legitimate researchers who were speaking at these events in question to the Cory Goods and the Randy Kramers and right, and all these other baloney stories.
Inner Earth Princess gave me the check, yeah, all this crap.
I think they had a hand, and then and then.
The objective of that was to discredit the discussion of SSP.
And once they successfully had made that look like buffoonery, let's introduce Lou Elizondo and the boys.
Right.
Okay.
So then again, what are we doing?
We're again moving even farther away from a discussion on classified space program ops.
Okay.
We're focusing on it couldn't possibly be ours.
And then, and meanwhile, They're doing all this to camouflage classified space technology.
That's what this is all about because that's what the Tic Tac was classified military technology.
They knew darn well what that was.
Yes.
And now it's been proven that what was the latest thing?
Maybe I'm getting confused with something else, but it was only going actually 40 miles an hour.
Yeah, go fast video.
That thing's only going 40 miles an hour.
I went faster than that over to my ATM this morning to get my bag.
You know, so it took five years to unravel that hoax, and what that did was that diverted, you know, as much attention as possible for those five years.
So then they, you know, and folks, that's what's going on here, you know, is um, they're diverting just one diversion after another, and and they're doing something they've never done before.
It's this rapid fire.
It doesn't matter that you don't trust these guys five minutes after you hear them talking because here comes another one.
It's rapid, rapid, rapid fire.
It's like the invention of the Maxim gun before World War One, right.
Right.
And it's, oh, wait a minute.
It doesn't matter that they are quickly learned to or seen to not have credibility.
We're just going to inundate them.
And guess what?
It's working.
They finally found the way to wear down people and any skeptics and naysayers to their narrative.
And that's with this rapid fire.
It's amazing the press support suggests that the press is becoming an arm of this as well.
So there's a media.
Uh, support for it, and that's mainline media, yeah, mainstream media, corporate media.
That's in the playbook I'll be talking about in the Nimza book.
And it's all, it's shocking.
You know?
Yeah.
You've heard the allegations before.
What I'll be presenting is the historical information and thread that backs it up to show you this isn't coming out of the ether or crazy conspiracy theorists thinking.
This is demonstrated.
Yeah.
And it gets us into.
The secrecy is really what's kept it all in place over these decades.
What's fascinating, and I think what's good analysis there in that whole sweep of what's been happening, is if you go from, let's say, the SSP conference, the presentations that you were doing, and what Farrell was doing, and that whole bit, it gets to this idea that there are trillions of dollars being siphoned out of the federal budget through a secret means out the back door, possibly using a program like COG or something, which is just completely.
You know, something that people can't get their hands on.
It's a black project.
And so, if you take that type of thinking after a while, if you have a whole group that's working around that, you're going to come to a totally different conclusion.
So, if you throw that off, you replace it with a kind of false SSP narrative, and you have people coming out telling stories about, you know, encountering aliens, not that that doesn't ever happen, but, you know, the way that it was laid out.
Then you go to what you were talking about with, TTSA and them saying, oh, we're going to bring all this, you know, and there's a $50 million deficit around this company and TV shows and all kinds of weirdness.
And the founding members are CIA people.
And then the media is like, oh, you know what?
There's a new name for this thing.
It's UAP.
I mean, that's pretty much, you know, quite a cycle if you look at it over the course of seven years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They pushed, I do think they had a hand in the pushing of the crazy, wild fantasy tales of, you know, Those guys, the time jumping space commando guys.
And then they do a complete 180 and present to you the serious military veteran Lou and the serious CIA guys and stuff like that.
And they're telling stories too.
They're telling BS stories, but of a different nature to keep people confused.
Part of it was also to divide the community even further.
You know, because they fed the trolling, the aggressive fanboyism, you know, that it's all part of it.
Grush Playing His Role00:04:22
Right.
Well, when you think about the work that you did when you were in the military, and then if you're looking at Grush and the things that he's saying, and the way that he's saying, well, you know, I'm coming out and saying this, and I have this, you know, intelligence community IG that I've made this complaint to, and he's doing all this kind of half step language, right.
And they're trying to, Put him through in these congressional hearings.
What do you see from your military perspective when you look at a guy like that?
Again, I, well, first of all, there's the asset analysis part.
What we have is a guy who has some issues.
I'm going to say on the level of, you know, I'm not a psychiatrist, but, you know, there's some ego issues, there's esteem issues.
Whether it's a lack of it, so an outward self aggrandizing, or um, you know, what have you, or some neuroses, whatever the case may be, and for whatever the objective is in this particular thing, he's the perfect guy.
In other words, he strikes me as the type of guy that was buttered up.
Oh, you're the guy.
You're the one in a million who can do this for us.
You know, whatever he was.
He was an officer.
So, what was he?
A captain, major?
I can't remember what his rank was.
And he was in the NRO first, which I found interesting considering the heavy duty secrecy there.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So, you know, however, he's got the theatrical background that has been revealed.
Now, that could say one of two things an asset.
You know, vetting either this is a pure act, and if you got to know the real Grush, you'd go, you might find that he's an intelligent guy that knows darn, that would tell you, hey, I'm playing a role here.
You know, that was my assignment.
Or he was one of the kind of people he's this outgoing, wanting to be in the spotlight, and that's what drew him to theater.
But the skills he learned, you know, serve role playing and on and so forth.
That he's the perfect candidate for using and handling.
In something like this.
So he's enjoying, I think he's enjoying being paraded around publicly and all this stuff.
But he either knows or he doesn't know that he's being used for perception management on a narrative to feed a kind of narrative because he clearly doesn't know anything that he's insinuating that he knows.
What do you think the next step is with him?
They're going to put him in front of these congressional committees.
Are they going to try to make him, you know, kind of the point person for UFO Inc?
Maybe that was in there.
I think that might, if that was among their original intentions with this guy, I think he's going to fizzle out because there's been enough vocal rejection of him in the community that his credibility.
Is no, his credibility is shot already and has been, you know, tarnished by enough voices in the community that I think they realize this isn't the guy.
They tried Lou, they tried Ramirez, they're, I forget who else they tried, they're, they're, they're trying Grush.
When they hit on one that even guys like us go, oh, this could be the real deal, that's the guy who they'll make the news say.
Well, you know, There's a statement by Marco Rubio who's been driving a lot of this.
You know, he got the Arrow office attached to the NDAA and he's in there with Kirsten Gillibrand.
Marco with his little hands over something.
Little Marco.
So, what's fascinating, though, is he's kind of right in there with what you're saying because he said, Well, if you don't believe this guy, we've got about 28 other whistleblowers who've come forward to Arrow and we're going to get those guys rolled out.
So just you wait.
The German Based Organization00:06:22
Yeah, see?
Rapid fire.
Boom, By golly, they're going to shoot.
These guys at us until one of them takes.
It's quantity, not quality here.
Exactly.
Amazing.
Walter, I want to kind of bring this all around to the NIMSA thing since you have this coming up and it's connected.
I see a direct thread all the way back to that development to the UFO secrecy, the split NASA secret space program directly into the UFO threat analysis.
It feels like one long thread to me.
So if you go right to Dell Shock, I mean, just Give us a snapshot of who Del Show is and then why the name Nimza.
Charles Del Show was a what we know about him is from his own story.
Charles Dalshaw was an immigrant from pre unification Germany.
And he came to the United States, entered through Texas, actually, up through Galveston Bay.
And according to his own story, he was sent to the United States as a representative or agent, so to speak, small a, not with a badge or anything like that, to go observe.
The activities of a group called the Sonora Aero Club, another group of German immigrants who, up near what is Yosemite National Park, were pursuing and developing what was exotic technology of the day.
And according to Del Show, it was flying machines.
And so he came to the United States, but probably it was an opportunity for him to get to the United States.
So that's why he took the job, not that he was some dedicated NIMSA guy.
It was like, hey, kid, we'll send you to the U.S., but you got to do this gig for us.
Okay.
So he goes there.
He's a young man.
He ends up liking these guys and really being amazed at what they're doing, according to his story.
So that by the time the German group, at that time, Prussian group, sends one of their official military officer guys to follow up on what they sent Del Show to do.
Is allied to the guys of the club.
And the guys in the club do not like, again, Del Show says they referred to him as that Prussian officer, the official representative from this mysterious Nimza.
Now, Nimza, according to Del Show, was this very secretive group based in Germany.
There was some confusion about that for years because the acronym which Del Show uses, the word Nimza, it's all capital letters.
It's an acronym, essentially.
Okay.
And people over the years have tried to translate what that's about.
And they would say, oh, the NY, it must be New York, because in the airship mystery, they talk about airship investors that were in New York or in the East.
And no, Del Shall himself says this was a German based organization, which is what led me to do a highly speculative attempt at having, coming up with what NIMSA could be.
He broke the name down.
Yeah, I did with help from multiple German speakers, a couple of them native, okay, because I've had my naysayers.
You know, oh, you don't know what you're doing.
It's like, okay, whatever.
But I broke it down and I could.
I have your book right here.
Yeah.
This is what you have for it the mission statement.
Yeah.
If I had to write a mission statement for NIMSA, it would be the following NIMSA is a distinctly Prussian nationalist organization dedicated to a unified Germany's global superiority in active pursuit of influence and exploitation of the national resources and industry of the Americas.
Yeah.
That's fascinating.
And the name, there was a trick with the name, which, like you said, it came out N Y M Z A, but there was a J there that was throwing everybody off.
And you were able to bring it out because you were saying it was more of a verbal, the way that they said it.
Jagdflugzeug.
And my pronunciation is awful.
And it means the nationalist pursuit.
Airship office is my best translation to the English vernacular, but the literal words of the now here's a distinction it's not national, it's nationalist.
This was not an official government thing.
This was a group of Prussian nationalists who were pushing and were behind the creation of the unified Germany, which led, of course, as history goes, very quickly to Nazi Germany.
That was their wet dream, the corporate fascism that, you know.
Well, in the 19th century, we don't have it, it's a balkanized Germany.
Germany.
Yeah, there's 48 states there.
So they are nationalists.
So it's a private, very secretive organization.
So it's the nationalist hunter killer airship office.
Now, people say hunter killer, that's clunky.
No, U.S. Navy, if you look at the history of World War II aircraft in particular, there's, I was just looking at a model kit of a U.S. Navy aircraft that's referred to as a hunter killer.
It's a hyphenated thing, it is a military term, hunter killer.
And so, anyway, you do all that stuff, and I may not be right.
That might not be what it meant, but it fits the facts, the narrative of Delshow.
It fits the history, and it fits a lot better than the New York Motor Zephyr Association.
No, I think you opened the whole thing up with this discovery.
It sounds like an ice cream truck, but the other thing.
So, yeah.
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So I tried, but it is, according to the source on all of this Sonora Aero Club stuff, Del Shal himself says Nimza was a German based organization.
Now, Seshari, as we know, when you read my books, I think particularly this one, the nameless ones, he does this analysis where the acronym is like an Egyptian hieroglyph because Egyptian hieroglyphs had what three different levels they were communicating on.
And he does this.
In depth analysis that's wild that there's this overarching, even more mysterious and powerful Nimza, and their presence and control is reflected in this Nimza that Del Shall talks about.
But there you're getting into the inside baseball and those glorious weeds that I like to get into.
You know, it's interesting when you get into this and what he's talking about, it really resonates because there's this mystical thing that goes along with it.
Because when you get into the air, you're dealing with spirits of the air.
I think about Lindbergh.
You know, when he's doing the transatlantic flight, he starts to hear all these voices when he's up there.
So you have this other aspect, and that gets into when you get into the Nazi occultism, there's the same feeling again.
There you go, because all these guys that you can run the Nimza thread through, the other thread that connects them is their interest in the occult arts and sciences.
They were into this alchemical stuff and these occult pursuits.
So there is that level.
Walter, absolutely fascinating.
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