Elana Freeland details her book Geoengineered Transhumanism, arguing transhumanist brotherhoods utilize nanotech and electromagnetism to create a global control grid denying human rights. She claims remote kill switches target those crossing into the "transhuman" category, while technologies like 5G and voice-to-skull implants implant directives without awareness. Citing Fukushima as a radiation laboratory and linking modern satellites to Nazi origins, Freeland asserts these systems trap souls in a virtual reality devoid of Christ consciousness, preventing spiritual evolution through an Ahrimanic influence. Ultimately, the discussion suggests humanity faces a planetary grid designed to turn humans into nodes within a system that halts true evolution. [Automatically generated summary]
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Weaponized Transhumanism00:05:10
Hello everyone, this is Dark Journalist.
Today I have a special interview for you with author, Waldorf teacher, and geoengineering researcher Ilana Freeland.
Ilana's breakthrough new book, Geoengineered Transhumanism, How the Environment Has Been Weaponized by Chemicals, Electromagnetism, and Nanotechnology for Synthetic Biology, lays out the battle that humanity faces versus the transhumanist forces who have created a global control grid for full-spectrum dominance.
Those people who have crossed over into the transhuman category, they will no longer qualify for human rights.
That's over.
Please join us now.
It's been part of a long process.
You've studied that process and we've been looking at it since, you know, let's say over the 40s and 50s and so on.
The stage that it's at, though, is this kind of culmination stage, which is why you can see that 800 pound gorilla stomping around.
What does that pose for this decade?
You know, because you see them talking about, in relation to this war, for example, there's very free talk about nuclear exchange.
And we know if you study that properly, Once the 80s hit, they were already beyond nuclear, whatever they were doing.
But where is the stage that they're kind of leading us into here?
You've seen them with the incredible control of the environment.
And it seems like making these people, as you said, into towers inside of this Internet of Things, that seems to be where this is going.
So it's a kind of AI enslavement.
Is that the right term?
Yes, of the transhumans.
I mean, the transhuman is a very big deal.
So, first of all, in this decade, those people who have crossed over into the transhuman category will no longer qualify for human rights.
That's over.
That's a patent, it's legal.
And they can be proven with some sort of genetic test to not be human anymore.
The nuclear radiation, when people talk about nuclear war, et cetera, you know, what these people don't want is they do not want their precious infrastructure tainted.
They want to be able to do precision targeting and no touch torture.
They want it antiseptic and they want it exceedingly controlled.
So, nuclear devastation, the only advantage to them of a nuclear devastation, say in Ukraine or something, would be that now they have another lab for what they can do to the people who survive and see what the radiation does.
That's how I see the Fukushima release in 2011 it was all about, well, not all, but greatly about.
Releasing it into the atmosphere and the water in order to see, in order to quicken development of certain things in the atmosphere that had been dumped in, right, for about two decades by then.
So, this radiation, whether it's ionized or non ionized, the non ionized, I think we can see quite well because all these technologies I've pretty much named, all are in.
Use as non ionized, i.e., they don't create a lot of heat.
Well, once they get in the body, they create heat.
But of course, they're not thinking about that.
They're thinking about outside the body for all of their military specs.
But radiation could be very useful to them.
It is not ever, in my opinion, whether they're practicing Satanists or simply bent left handed brotherhoods.
Shadow Brotherhoods, as Rudolf Steiner called them.
I just can't see that they would blatantly, like a teenage kid, just want to destroy for destruction's sake.
Shadow Brotherhoods' Hidden Agenda00:08:26
I think that they perceive themselves as being real rational people and that they have certain projects in mind that they will be known for throughout history in quiet histories, in histories that.
Lay people will not have access to because those definitely exist.
So that's kind of how I see when people bring up the depopulation.
I think, yes, I think culling is always on their mind, but they'd like to be able to use those people before they're culled.
And now they have the perfect means because I'm telling you, if they send the kill switch remotely, That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's what this software and hardware, and then by the way, they call us wetware.
I assume you know that wetware.
Yes.
So, you know, they send the kill switch and lights out.
Their other problem, of course, with a depopulation is it's kind of like, yeah, you kill everybody here and then they all excarnate and then they come back.
Right.
So, where's the solution?
You know, because these are brotherhoods.
They know reincarnation is real.
Whereas most people don't realize that in the West.
Right.
So it reminds me of that story, which I know you know, of Caspar Hauser back in the 19th century when this scion of a royal house in the Austro Hungarian Empire was kidnapped at birth and a dead child put in its place.
And the family told that their child had died, and then he was instead of killed, he was raised in a crawl space horrible thing, not really ever standing on his legs, but crawling, and was visited daily with his bread and water.
He was kept that way till he was 17 years old.
Now, this is all documented, this is not some fairy tale from the Black Forest, and then.
He was allowed to come out and even with a name, Caspar Hauser, which was not his real birth name, but is a wonderful.
Who did it?
Werner Herzog did that?
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
It's a great movie.
Oh, it's a great film.
And it's a great story because many of the Rudolf Steiner Europeans feel that had Caspar Hauser, the individual called Caspar Hauser, been able to.
Be in his royal family and eventually become a potentate, that he would have made a very different Europe today.
Interesting.
And that's what they didn't want.
They did not want Europe to go that way.
And, you know, these brotherhoods are extraordinary, whether they're good or bad, in that they have access to means of figuring out who you've been and.
And who you will be, and all that that I don't have at all, really.
So, with that in mind, Caspar Hauser was released, and then he was allowed to live a few years, and then he was killed.
I think it was an experiment, just like they're running experiments now.
Brotherhoods are always running experiments with clueless human beings.
And so, again, depopulation, if they change the human being and the human being no longer is evolving as a human being, but maybe is a semi hybrid of transhumanism, well, then will those people's souls remain untouched?
No, not at all.
Because the relationship between the human soul and the body that we live in while we're here, well, that's a very big deal.
And so that's what I think is going on.
That kind of experimentation is the level that I think is the important part.
The fact that many people will die, I know I'm going to sound ruthless and heartless, and it is hard if it's in your family and someone you know, but.
Death itself is just a door to another room.
But if you're not human anymore, well, then maybe all bets are off.
And I don't really know what that means.
That's the thing I'm watching.
Yes, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, in the book, you bring up the Funvax video and the whole kind of destroying the God consciousness via.
A scientific medical process.
And this is very interesting because Steiner alludes to this as well.
He says, You know, you're seeing that as part of a whole broad program, though.
In a sense, the outcome of all this is that what you end up with is not a human being as we understand it.
No, not to me.
I mean, again, we all now have the opportunity to sit and have a good contemplation.
Over what being human means to us.
And if we believe, as I do, that we are involved in a divine process of evolution, and that when we enter as babies, yes, we are human as a sort of little prototype, definitely human, up till now, anyway.
Begins the various levels of consciousness that we're going to have to make our way through, all the way from, oh, I'm born in this place, oh, I'm born in this family, oh, I'm born in this race, oh, I'm born in this gender, oh, I'm born in.
So, you know, each of these layers, our consciousness as a human being has to penetrate, think about it, figure out, you know, this, that, and the other.
And then we have our work.
Because I believe, I don't know that, I assume everyone has a destiny, but I don't know if that's true.
I think there might be quite a few humans, and Steiner indicates there are people here who are not really human, but certainly are very drawn to becoming human and want to go through the paradigm of a human life and having human friends and human relatives and human this and that.
So, you know, I mean, it depends how out there you want to get about how to think of what being human is.
But if we are evolving, Then I certainly do not want to be controlled remotely by 5G, 6G systems bringing in all sorts of others' agendas into my life and making me either like most targeted individuals I know,
they start out feeling crazy, they start out thinking they're demon possessed, they start out thinking they're fantasizing.
Remote Control via 6G Systems00:06:21
And it takes them sometimes two, three years before they go, wait a minute, this could be technology that's making me this way.
And they don't have anyone to talk to because, you know, if they talk to their parents, their parents may call the psychiatrist and then you end up in a mental hospital and, you know, you'll be diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, wrong diagnosis.
It's a very dangerous thing.
And so, If it can be done, and I think this is what they're trying to see that they can do, they can do it without you noticing that you are being taken over.
I mean, some people write me who say, Yeah, I had this terrible thought of killing my whatever.
I don't think those things.
What is that?
And I immediately say, Well, yeah.
That's what can happen.
So, you need to know the technology to some degree.
Absolutely.
And that makes me think of these stories that we've seen where people have backtracked, and it has to do with the whole voice to skull technology, which the military's used for years.
And the idea that that would get into a kind of a regular currency targeting domestic enemies is something that would seem very far out to an average person.
And yet, there are examples of it.
And if you're in circles like the kind of circles that we're in at times, you hear about it and from people who've gone through it for years.
What's a good definition of voice to skull?
I have a really good one, but it's written down.
Do I have it memorized?
Well, it's where you.
It's a microwave hearing.
Right.
Microwave hearing goes all the way back to 1970.
You send.
A carrier wave with a frequency on it that bypasses your ears and goes straight to the brain.
And then, if they have your evoked potential, it's a very important term, Daniel.
If they have your evoked potential, and they usually gain these, according to Dr. Robert Duncan, a victim and creator of this technology, that usually is done by satellite.
If they have your evoked potential, then they can immediately set up a conversation with you and start laying down what the AI system is saying, what an actual human operator on a monitor is saying to you.
And now you are in the voice hearing category.
And one of the things that I thought might not be such a bad idea is how.
People have these now, these earbuds, and they have wireless iPhones, and they're all walking down the street.
Sounds like they're talking to themselves, but they're talking to someone on their device, which is certainly not what I'm talking about with the voice to skull, but it looks like it.
So a lot of people are hearing voices.
Now, the next step will be they won't need the device, and they'll be hearing voices that they've plugged into a transmission, maybe they've activated something.
With their brain, and now they're hearing it.
It's very similar.
It's very similar because no one else nearby will hear it.
It's microwave hearing.
That's very interesting.
You could implant suggestions in a person.
So, a voice to skull microwave hearing situation, you could then place suggestions in a person's mind, and eventually it just becomes maybe the best kind of mind control.
Yeah, and I don't know even if it's.
Suggestions, that's kind of too light a word.
Directives would be better.
Oh, yeah.
Because if you are being targeted, whether you know it or not, you will have seen that if you don't do what the directives tell you, you will be in pain.
There's no part of you that knows that.
And so, you know, that's the key to targeted individuals.
They initially try to please this voice and do what it says, but then they find out that that doesn't really fly very far and they'll still be in pain and they'll still be tortured.
So, really, the recommendation of most targeted individuals is to resist, even though it hurts.
And that's the disposition of I would.
Conservatively say of at least a million and a half people in the United States.
I know there's got to be more.
But I think this latest with the satellites up, the 5G satellites, and by the way, notice that I always say 5G, 6G.
That's very important.
Yeah.
People think it's only 5G and we don't have 6G yet.
That's not true.
All 5G systems are in tandem with 6G systems.
It has to be because they are beginning the penetration.
Of all brains.
And that's the penetration will require 6G because the 5G, yes, it does penetrate, unlike the lies you've been told, but it doesn't penetrate deeply enough.
So it will need the boost, the power boost of the 6G system.
Quantum Waves and Consciousness00:16:00
So, you know, my question as a conscious person who is.
Attempting to keep my consciousness very pure or relatively pure, given that I have a weapon system right here that I'm talking to you through my lovely computer.
I can't do without it, it's a weapon system I have to have.
Can we develop a consciousness that can penetrate?
It can, I don't want to use the word resist, but be some sort of a.
A wall between us and the pulsing of, say, our population around us.
And that could be.
They could easily do an Ilana Freeland pulse if they have my evoked potential, which I believe they do.
But they're not doing that right now.
So I have to assume that the work I'm doing, a lot of people think I'm very brave, et cetera.
I don't know how brave I am.
It's not a question that I really think about.
I have to do this.
There's no question.
It's sort of on a mission level.
But I don't worry about the bad boys.
I know that I am not in charge of how long my life will last.
I really don't believe I am.
But it doesn't matter, does it?
What matters is the quality.
Of the life I live while I'm here.
And that includes fulfilling to the best of my ability the missions that lie before me.
I mean, Daniel, you may feel a little bit like that because you're doing similar work and you're aware of a similar dark side.
No question.
And I think it is amazing, though, when you think about the books that you've put out, because They've had an incredible jump on events.
That is, if you go back and look at the books you put out in 2014 and beyond, they're presaging all the things that we're living in.
And so, you know, not only are you giving this kind of encyclopedic overview of these various things, I think what's interesting about the latest book, and it is very comprehensive, it's your greatest book, in my opinion, but it includes that section about occult control.
And for me, that's important because, you know, even something like what we were talking about with Voice to Skull, it's a process, like a mechanical process.
And, you know, it's very interesting to say what are the telltale signs of that?
How could you know you were targeted with that kind of a thing if you were a political dissident, for example?
But the occult thing is really invisible because not many people are aware of it at all.
Right.
Are you talking about the chapter in which I talk about the brain?
Yeah, because the other occult part of the book is in my mindsets appendix, where I talk about Satanism and the military.
I mean, these mindsets that are invisible are important to realize what we're up against.
You know, it's not just stuff, it's not just technology that's PhD level.
But no, I love that chapter on the brain.
And of course, I owe it to some amazing Rudolf Steiner people that I've read.
Who have done a great deal in that area to understand how this amazing brain works?
I mean, the very seat of the pineal gland, the pineal gland being what they're trying to destroy in us in six ways to Sunday, like with fluoride, in order so that we do not have that natural doorway into the spiritual world.
I mean, you know, these are, and I put that chapter in there, Daniel, to say to people you think you know what a human being is?
You think it's just a higher ape?
Let me tell you, this is an order beyond that.
And it isn't that every human being manifests that higher order because it's a lot of work and you have to be very disciplined.
And the word disciple is the word discipline.
So, yeah, okay, so it's rare, but it's all there.
We've all got the antecedents of becoming a great human being with free will.
But now we have obviously an anti human enemy of some sort.
And we now need to really look at the technology.
And I really like how Steiner looks at technology because he's not limited to, oh, it's physical.
It's all physical.
No, no, yes, it is very material, it is very physical, it is made out of matter.
But take the nanotechnology, for example.
Atomic level.
When was the last time we were hearing about atomic level science?
Oh, yeah, it was the Manhattan Project back in the 30s and 40s that led to the atomic bomb and decades of terror in civilians that they were going to be bombed by these terrible weapons.
Yeah, okay, so the atomic level, now we're right down by the quantum threshold.
And the quantum threshold, as we know, last I heard the military is aware of, I can't remember if it's 12, 13, 14 dimensions, different dimensions, but there are many more.
And the quantum level is what CERN dealt with and probably still does.
I haven't checked on CERN lately because my CERN man, I'm not in touch with him anymore, Anthony Patch.
Wonderful connection.
They just fired up the new one.
Yes, the revised one.
Yeah.
Wasn't it revised, not new?
It's expanded.
Expanded, yes.
And I know that the budget went from $6 billion to $20 billion.
I thought that was remarkable.
Yeah.
It's just science.
It has nothing to do with us, right?
So that quantum veil that has been in place for many, many millennia regarding human.
To protect human development, I believe, is being taken down now.
And so we now are encountering all sorts of dimensions, beings from those dimensions too, who are not subject to physical bodies like we are.
They have different ways of manifesting.
And so we get to expand our consciousness now and start digging our way out of scientism, which wants to convince us that everything is just material.
Like Madonna sang, you know, as if they were all singing Madonna's song.
And we realized that Rudolf Steiner was able to really paint a very thorough picture of spirit and matter being in the same area.
So, when you are talking about electromagnetic, the weaponizing of electromagnetic waves, what is riding in on those waves?
Is it just the waves?
Well, they're bad enough, but what if there was a conscious.
Entity from one of those quantum dimensions riding in on this electromagnetic.
What if the nanotechnology, when it swarms and has this warm consciousness, what if that too is some sort of entity from one of those quantum dimensions?
I mean, are we really scientists or not?
We have to consider these things.
Right.
We can't just say because yesterday was X.
Well, tomorrow will be X. That's not going to happen.
That's already not happening if you can recognize it.
So, when you say that I'm sort of ahead of the game, it's just the way my mind works because I have studied some remarkable things that all sort of talk to each other.
And then I'm able to see what is probable.
And then I see how it goes.
And I have to admit that.
Everything that's coming out regarding the, for example, the inoculation, I definitely was on it.
I definitely was on it.
Some things are not so important.
I didn't make them so important in that section.
Some things are important.
I did make them important in that section.
So I have to attribute that not just to Ilana, such a sharp cookie.
No, I have to say that the spiritual world.
That gave me the mission in the first place is definitely behind me.
No question.
You know, I wanted to ask you about Steiner and Armand.
I want to get into that and how it relates to what we're seeing.
I had a question just before we got there, a little aside from something in the book.
And it had to do with something that you said about MKUltra assassins.
And you noted a few of them, including the assassin of John Lennon, Mark David Chapman.
And how they complained very often about intense stomach problems.
Yes, the stomach clairvoyance.
What is that?
Well, I talk about it in that brain chapter, the occult chapter, as you call it, the stomach clairvoyance.
The solar plexus, as we know from martial arts, Eastern martial arts, is a very powerful energy vortex, toroid, I would call it.
It's a toroid.
So, entities coming in and going out, often the people that they're doing that with will have stomach problems.
And so, I'm almost, say it again?
Like almost demonic possession.
Oh, yes, very much.
And that has to do with what I was just saying about the electromagnetic.
So, say it's electromagnetically, let's say Mark David Chapman is electromagnetically on a leash.
And I believe he was.
That's the old mind control.
And so they send out a wave, carrier wave, with some sort of frequency on it to kill John Lennon or whatever.
And right away, Mark feels this pain in his stomach.
Well, that's the microwave coming in, the carrier wave.
But what's on the carrier wave?
What else is coming in?
Because, you know, certainly with electromagnetics, we know with radiation, is it a particle or is it a wave, right?
We have this.
Well, it's the typical Western thing to go either or.
Well, why not both and?
Right.
It's both.
And so.
It's material and it's immaterial.
It's a threshold thing, but not like the threshold, in my opinion, that CERN is dabbling with.
It's the subnature threshold that Rudolf Steiner talks very much about.
In fact, I just finished an essay for that British magazine on magnetism and Aramon and this.
The subnature that we are subject to in a very peculiar, particular way in America, I might add.
And you'll definitely want to read that essay, Daniel.
So, anyway, that stomach clairvoyance that had been established in him through the electromagnetic masters who were running his mind control.
Because when we think MKUltra, we right away think the head, but we really should also think the whole body.
Especially where the chakras are.
Because MKUltra is even now more highly sophisticated than it was then.
And then it was considered very sophisticated for its era, which it was.
But I think in the book also I talk about Chapman, but I could name several other people who had the same reaction when they were entered by an entity.
Was it electromagnetic or was it simply from some great clairvoyant capability?
Because a lot of clairvoyants in the Dark Brotherhood category can do that.
They can send waves with their consciousness.
No question.
I think about something like the Exorcist movie and the incredible impact.
One of my favorites.
It's remarkable.
It is remarkable.
It's very good.
Yeah.
But the impact it has in the 70s is interesting also because there's a whole wave of people being aware of and more freaked out about evil.
And at the same time, there's a strange thing in that movie where it's showing that, in this case, an archaeologist, he's over there in the Middle East and he sort of brings back the spirit, and then a young girl opens herself up.
With a Ouija board to it.
So it's showing that these things exist on layers that aren't visible ordinarily, but they are, you know, for example, in certain Orthodox churches, they're very familiar with this kind of problem.
Yes, and I think today the thing I'm trying to get at is not to provoke, you know, a lot of fear over evil, but to, To make clear that the technology needs both languages, the spiritual language and the physical language, in order to understand what we've got going here because it's so powerful.
And I don't think anyone would quibble about that.
Occult Dimensions of Tech00:06:02
It obviously is.
As to the ones using it, that's another level of.
And the way I explain that level is take, for instance, some of these puppet leaders where they seem to talk like automatic, and then when you catch them, Not really being aware of being filmed, you can see in the eyes, at least I've sort of trained myself over knowing about a dozen MK Ultras over in my life,
and you can see the eyes sort of glass over.
And now we're in the programming land and they're receiving some sort of transmission.
So I'm very aware of that because I assume most of these leaders.
You know, like the governor's association, and then this Klaus Schwab leaders convocation training that they've all taken.
I assume all of those are training programs, as is the one I really like, the one run by Raytheon called Women Who Code.
It's a program, and what they're doing is taking young Girl Scouts with their parents' blessing oh, isn't this wonderful for my daughter's career?
And they're taking them to these seminars where, yeah, sometimes it's just seminars.
It is what it says it is.
But there's a lot of time in that weekend in which I think some other things are probably going on.
I think MKUltra has become huge, huge.
And some of it is programming, and some of it is hands on programming, some of it is remote programming.
Through what I call EMK Ultra, through electromagnetic programming with pulses.
But it is the human being, certainly now media completely saturated with electronic media, is easily programmed.
Hypnotic to the nth degree now.
And that to me, Daniel, is really the biggest problem and why.
We have to admit that America has not been a democracy or even a democratic republic for a long time, for at least 50 years, I would say, since perhaps the television was sicked on us by the military.
Because remember, all these technologies were military first.
Right.
They were only given to civilians when they were properly ready for their control mission over all of society.
So that's.
That's kind of how I see it, and why, with these invisible technologies that are at the atomic level, are more wave than particle.
Well, it indicates that we are at a spiritual level.
You just have to change that word spiritual.
You know, you could say another word, maybe invisible.
No, that doesn't quite do it.
I mean, you're going to need a word if you don't like the word spiritual, because spiritual is too much like religion.
But it is that realm.
It is that realm of the veil, the threshold, coming down now, and many elements coming into our region here on the troposphere.
And we're taking in chemicals, electromagnetics, nanotechnology, synthetic biology, all of which are in the jurisdiction of alchemists.
And they are alchemists.
They are not just chemists or geneticists or.
This or that, they are alchemists.
They know the ones who are members of brotherhoods like the Saturnalian Brotherhood at NASA that I talked about in the last book.
They know about the occult dimension of these technologies.
They know about Atlantis and how Atlantis went too far.
They know that they are here again in order to bring this to proper fruition of planetary.
And solar system control is what I see.
And that's why when Catherine brought up the secret space program along with Joseph, I was very, it went bingo for me.
Yeah.
Right.
This is the umbrella under which all this is being done because then you capture the visionary adolescent who is in most male.
And maybe female too, for all I know, astrophysicists, plasma physicists in the United States.
And now everything they're doing is for this fantastic future, this Star Trek y future.
And there is no real interest in the human other than as an experimental guinea pig for that part.
For Neuralink and things like that.
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
And the horrible experiments they're doing with monkeys on that one, just unbelievable.
Wow.
Yeah.
I remember when D.H. Lawrence came to the United States.
I always remember what he said.
Great author, you know.
Yes.
Great, great author from Britain.
Luciferic Incarnation in Earth00:08:59
And he went down to the Southwest and he said that the American soul is a murderer.
Oh, wow.
So there's something about living in Ahriman's kingdom.
I call America Ahriman's kingdom because of that north south mountain.
Range, I think I've mentioned this to you before because it's very important.
From pole to pole, the only place in the world with this magnetic, mineral rich mountain range, all the way down like the spine, like the backbone of planet Earth.
And how the Europeans kept navigators' ships from coming to America until 1492 because.
The double here, the doppelganger of this continent, these two continents, North and South, the Western Hemisphere, is so powerful that they feared for the very young then Christian impulse in Europe.
They feared it would be completely wiped out if they allowed their people to come to these continents.
The only ones who came here were the doctors of the era, the alchemists of the era, who wanted to figure out why the devil was so powerful here and what it had done to the peoples who populated these continents then.
So, you know, to me, we all have to carry this excess burden of the Aramonic here.
And for people who don't know the difference between Aramon and Lucifer, it's just how Steinard.
Bifurcated evil as the kind of evil that is here to help us develop.
One being Araman, like Satan, sort of materialistic and cruel and hardened, and the Luciferic being Lucifer, being the fallen angel who is expansive, ideation, a completely opposite.
Picture.
And I think it makes sense in a plane of duality like the earth is, that we all have to adjust to in many ways, that the evil would be seen not as a monochrome thing, but as a polarity.
And so, but it makes it so that you have to be able to think your way through it.
You can't just get a bunch of rules and say, yeah, now I'm safe.
Uh, this they they change form all the time, and uh, and then there's a third level of evil, of course, which uh, we are now dealing with, and that is the Azuras, and that's all Steiner cosmology, right?
I mean, uh, what's interesting about that is that Steiner talks about the incarnation of Arman in this period, uh, sometime in this century, and the idea of the incarnation, you know, Arman again.
Talking about being ahead of the game, Steiner's looking out there 1920.
Really?
And he's seeing the 21st century.
Yes, he is.
It's remarkable.
And the harmonic force he's attributing in the technology, and he's saying Armand's going to give everyone their own personal kind of clairvoyance.
And you can see that the moving into that with the smartphones.
Like the metaverse, yes?
Yes, absolutely.
That's very much like the eighth sphere.
Yes, yes.
But the incarnation of Aramon, for a minute, let's talk about that because Steiner says it's something that humanity needs to face.
And we had an incarnation of Lucifer, the incarnation of Christ balanced out so many things for us.
And here comes the Aramonic incarnation.
And it seems like he's suggesting it's coming through the technology.
That incarnation will, you know, so we think of a normal incarnation, we're thinking of a human being being incarnated.
Through chosen individuals.
This is a little different.
Well, I'm glad to hear you say that, Daniel, because there is, of course, an argument among Rudolf Steiner followers that they think that Ahriman is going to incarnate into one individual, just like Lucifer did.
So you had Lucifer 3000 BC, then you had Christ, now here we are almost going into the third millennium, and now we're going to have Ahriman.
And in my opinion, his advent is not only ahead of schedule, and just about everything that Steiner said about a lot of things has been ahead of schedule.
Because in the Aramonic, Aramon likes to do things quick and dirty.
And so it has already begun, and it is the technology.
And it makes sense to me because Lucifer is a sort of, he's also the one who.
Causes a certain individuality.
It's the kind of individuality that's pretty shallow.
We all know what it is, like when we're 21 and we think we know everything.
That's sort of a Luciferic moment.
But Lucifer very much is the individual, maybe taken too far.
But the Araman is more collective, is more pulling us all down into the subnature.
Subnature being this realm that the Mexicans definitely knew about.
The Mayans, the Toltecs, they talked about the nine levels below that are the realms of evil, and they had the ball game going down there.
And, you know, I have a lot of that in my Sub Rosa America series.
And above us, above the earth plane, are the nine levels of the archive, the angels, the archive, the The seraphim, the cherubim, all these old, what we think of now as medieval categories of divine beings.
But we have, it's the same.
And it's really interesting that the Mexican mysteries, they have the same thing.
They have the nine up here and the nine down here.
So there's some truth with that.
There's the number nine, which is also very often mystical.
Here and now, Armand's rolling out his technological wonderland.
To me, his presence is everywhere because it is, he has taken over this age.
It's not a matter of in the future tense to me, it's already here.
And he has infiltrated it.
So now, now, He enters the body in a genetic way.
Every aspect of what it is to be human will be entered by Araman.
So that's our psychology, the music, the arts, everything is to be entered by Araman, including the genetics.
And now, what does he bring with him?
This is my little bit.
He brings the nanotechnology.
He brings the nanobots.
The nanobots.
The little computer guys, the ones that are at the atomic level, that live near the threshold to the other worlds.
These are his minions, and they love him.
He's it.
So when you watch The Matrix in that third film of The Matrix trilogy, and you see the machines, the machines that Neo must face.
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And must redeem, must redeem.
I mean, now we get into the real meaning of Christianity as opposed to churchianity.
The redemption of evil is something Rudolf Steiner talks again and again and again about.
It's not a matter of cowering in the corner and hoping that the angel of death passes over me.
Please, please, please, make me safe, make me safe.
No, it's a matter of redeeming evil so that you utterly transform it into good.
Interesting.
That's the human, that's the true human end mission.
And that's why.
We keep coming back.
Some people say, Well, you don't want to come back, do you?
Yeah, yeah, I want to come back.
Back to the very end.
Very end to the last one.
I mean, yes, why would I mean, this is the adventure to be here.
But if you don't have the tools, if you don't have things like the tool of the idea of reincarnation, the tool of the idea of karma, the tool of the idea that spirit is everywhere.
Everywhere, in everything, and everyone.
If you don't have your toolkit, as a friend of mine in the 60s used to call it, your earth kit, if you don't have your earth kit really together, well, you're just going to do less than you could have done.
Maybe I'll be nice about it.
Yeah, that is nice.
You certainly miss an opportunity.
Oh, a huge opportunity.
I mean, think about it, Daniel, we're here.
For this, right?
This is amazing.
I didn't think I'd live long enough to be here.
This, I knew it was coming.
You know, in the 60s, we called it when the establishment went down.
And in Europe, when I was living in Europe and England, not Europe, uh, when I was living in England, I'd say to my British friends, Yeah, I have to go back to America to go down with the Titanic.
There is something about that.
I actually feel very much the same way.
I don't want to get out or run away.
I want to be right here and take it off.
This is it.
This is.
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This is tremendously exciting and calls upon forces that we might not have used had things just gone quiescently.
And we're just sort of sliding into the mud heap, you know.
No, Aramon has juiced it up, and the Azuras have juiced it up.
Yes.
And if you're Earth Kid, if you don't have a concept of evil, if you're one of those.
Silly people who say, Oh, there's no evil, it's just ignorance.
It's like, I'm sorry, that's really ignorant right there.
So, it's a catch 22, in fact.
This is interesting, though.
So, the period that we've come into here and the politics around it, you know, there's one description I could give you, which is let's say that, you know, the deep state is planning to install a planetary grid.
From space control grid.
I take that directly from your work.
Is that a good extrapolation of what you're talking about?
Well, it's been done.
The space fence is a done deal, and we are nodes.
We are all little tiny nodes in it now.
Yes.
Right.
So at that point, I mean, this is something that the Nazis were thinking about achieving when they first set out on their space program and the rocket program that became our space program.
So There's a long arc there.
Involved in the middle of that is a CIA mission to create a UFO threat for emergency powers versus the actual UFO reality of something else being involved here.
How does that play out?
Because they're trying to very awkwardly push this forward with themselves as the great defenders against this thing.
But people have become aware of this, and on one hand, they want people to become aware of it, but they don't want them to become too aware.
Because it'll blow the threat aspect.
What do you think?
How does the UFO aspect fit into all this?
Well, to me, you are much more of an expert in this than I, so I can run through mine pretty quickly.
First of all, the secret space program run by Nazis and their descendants, and to me, and then the CIA was completely set up by Nazis.
Reinhard Galen from the Eastern Front.
He was a card carrying Nazi.
So the Third Reich is here.
And all of this we owe to them, all of this technology.
And to their.
I think what the American scientist adds is sort of a sort of steady obedience, given the.
The requirement that they have security clearance, thanks to the terrible National Security Act of 1947, that basically made sure that the truth would never be allowed to see the light of day, but that a very small cotillion of conspirators would be able to control all this technology.
Geoengineering, space.
I mean, to me, geoengineering is the part that is here in the atmosphere, but it is completely run by the secret space program, along with all the plasma experiments, along with all the holograms, all of it.
It's all, we owe it all to the Nazis.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
And I, you know, speaking of the terms, In the mystery schools and through the Steiner work of the eighth sphere, I've always seen a tie over with this.
Would you think a good modern description of the eighth sphere would be virtual reality?
Yeah, I think that that does do it.
The minus of it is that it'll make it sound all electromagnetic, but it isn't.
It is also.
There are other dimensions involved in the eighth sphere.
And I assume a lot of the UFOs who make visitations here are probably from the eighth sphere, as Rudolf Steiner indicates.
Right.
He even says that.
The problem is when we vacate our humanity, then something else enters, and then we are sort of dragged.
In a way, into the eighth sphere, or Araman can do that too, right?
Yes.
Because Araman can make it sound like everything is just physical, it's just matter.
But it's not really.
Yes.
The idea being Araman wants humans in that eighth sphere because it draws them away from the earth and allows them to be under his domain.
The eighth sphere is actually limited to this realm.
Even though it's invisible, it is.
Right now, I'm thinking of that drawing he has in the occult history of the 19th century.
He has a drawing of the eighth sphere being this little sort of added on planet to the seven.
Right.
There.
It's added on to the earth.
So then we would be drawn into it in subnature, would be the way I'd put it the subnature earth.
And it would be forever.
Right.
Subnature Earth.
Actually, that's a good point of departure on this because, you know, what I see with this is very interesting because I think if we understand the eighth sphere, which is something that Steiner said wasn't supposed to get out when it got out and had to come in and kind of correct it because it was said in Theosophy to be the moon, which I guess is a pretty major goof.
Yeah, that was a major goof.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or intentional misleading.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
When I think about the eighth sphere in this period, I see that it seems like the goal there is to interrupt the natural spiritual evolutionary track so that we don't develop, in Steiner's cosmology, new Jupiter and things of this line.
And it keeps us in that eighth sphere track.
So we think we're going into it, it seems real, and we think we're going into a natural evolutionary track.
So many people in society just to bring.
The example down to everyday living.
So it's kind of a caricature of progress.
Yeah.
And I think I have to bring in another element just to clarify for people who aren't familiar with Steiner.
One of Steiner's great differences with theosophy, because he was involved with theosophy early on, is that he had a tremendous Christ experience when he was 38, I believe.
And this Christ experience led him to reconsider Christ as to who and what he was.
And so when we are talking about the eighth sphere, that may have to do with what I believe from Robert Powell's work, who's a Steiner person.
He was a mathematician by trade.
And then he became an astronomer.
And then he has an astrological timetable he set up regarding the second coming of Christ.
And in his mind, it is an etheric second coming, as you can find in Acts, I don't remember, Acts 1, something, when Jesus says something, or the risen Christ says to his disciples, As you see me go, so shall I return.
And then he kind of goes up into the clouds.
And I've often wondered about this, Daniel, if this is why I've been so obsessed with engineering all these years, is going in the clouds.
So, if Christ, the etheric Christ, that's different from the physical Jesus, it's not the same.
If the etheric Christ is coming again into the earth, one level of subnature after another, which Robert Powell gives a timetable from 1932 in a Jupiter pulse every 12 years, all the way to today, I think we're at the eighth.
Level of subnature halfway through.
And meanwhile, as the good is coming in and transforming the earth on an etheric level, the evil and Araman and the Asuras and whoever are in tremendous resistance to that.
And so the eighth sphere is where there is no Christ.
There is no transformation of the etheric.
There is only virtual reality.
There is only.
An electromagnetic intangible semblance simulation, you know, like the SWS program, the simulated world.
Yes, right.
Sentient world simulation.
Yeah, that's it, the SWS.
So that idea that Aramon could have this kingdom of human souls captured.
That can then be used for incarnations of who knows who.
That then it would not be controlled by the divine world, the reincarnation process, and even the death process would not be controlled by.
So that's kind of how I see it that's its key, there will be no Christ element there.
And that.
Maybe that's sort of the idea being that, gee, if all else fails, we'll at least have the virtual world, we'll at least have the eight sphere.
Right, we'll at least rule there.
Right?
If we can't stop this Christ.
And so, evil, it's really an interesting map that Robert Powell gives of the timetable that the evil has just gotten deeper and deeper.
Deeper and deeper and deeper every year that my life.
I mean, you know, I was born in 47, so I've been here the whole time of practically.
I mean, if it came, it started in 32 when Hitler entered the Chancellor's office in 1933, and then every 12 years in the Jupiter Pulse, in its coming.
And so to me, the second coming.
Has already begun.
So when Christians talk about the end times, I don't have anything to say because, yes, a time is ending, but not all time.
Right.
A time is ending and something is being born.
And it would be that, you know, this may be exactly, Daniel, why I don't get depressed over this work.
I very much know the fat lady has not sung yet and that we'll just keep working because there's every hope in the world that humanity will continue its evolution.
If those of us who know stand up and speak and stand for it as an example in our lives.
Yeah.
No question.
No question about it.
And I think the work that you're doing, which is now merging in some of the deeper mystical strands with your scientific work, is a breakthrough.
And I'd like to see other people take that task on because you really have set a tone there where I think it's particularly in this book.
And I think that that other piece, that other piece of the vision, is crucial now because otherwise, It's just working on a level of, oh, you know, we have authoritarian governments taking over.
Here we are in the middle of a scientific dictatorship.
It misses this other, the spirit of the thing.
And if you don't have the spirit of the thing, you won't know who you're up against.
That's right.
It's like learning to, it's like being satisfied with operating with only one hand.
I don't know why people, well, they've been conditioned, they've been programmed to think that's all poppycock, to think that we are.
So much further along than the ancients.
Yeah, right.
I don't know.
Superstitious ancients.
Yeah, I figured that out.
Wow.
Incredible work, Ilana.
And where can people go to get this remarkable geoengineered transhumanism book that you just put out?
Yes.
So the version you would get at Amazon or through your booksellers, distributors, would be the black and white edition.
It was really cost prohibitive, given the distributor that I went through, to do color editions in that.
I apologize for that, but that's the way it is.
But if you want a color edition, the Dr. Rudolph Steiner Bookstore in Seattle, Washington, has very graciously taken on this task of shipping out the colored edition.
And it's about $15 more than without the shipping cost, about $15.
It's worth it.
It's actually, the color is very rich and interesting.
Yeah, and there are 60 illustrations.
It really does help.
And the book is 690 pages, I'm embarrassed to say.
But, you know, I took a lot on, and I do feel that the book is like a good handbook for the present era.
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No question about it.
It's remarkable and transformative work.
It's great to have you back.
Yeah, Daniel.
I always love being with you because I can talk in different languages.
Exactly.
Ilana, amazing information today.
Of course, all of your work, including the new book, is available at ilanafreeland.com.
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