Dark Journalist and Olivia dissect the Caroline Group's secret 1930s electrogravitics projects in the Bahamas, linking Thomas Townsend Brown, JFK, and Hemingway to suppressed perpetual motion patents and Edgar Cayce's vanished Atlantis readings. They expose how figures like Robert Sarbacher were silenced after revealing insectoid UFO evidence, while Lou Elizondo and Christopher Mellon allegedly manipulate narratives to justify a government-controlled "fake alien invasion" program designed to consolidate power through fear. Ultimately, the episode argues that modern disclosure efforts serve as psychological operations rather than genuine transparency, urging listeners to recognize intelligence agencies' role in suppressing advanced technology and controlling public consciousness. [Automatically generated summary]
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Supreme Court Overreach00:02:17
And we are live.
This is Dark Journalist.
What a fantastic crowd we have out there tonight in the ideas room already.
And of course, I'm joined by the lovely Olivia.
Hi, everybody.
I've missed you all.
And well, Olivia bursting right into 2022.
Amazing.
Supreme Court action today.
That's going down.
And that's all about these Biden mandates, of course, which were incredible overreach of emergency powers.
And it looks like they might push them back a little bit.
We shall see.
Yeah.
That's.
To me, to my mind, the Supreme Court is going to have to because it's completely unconstitutional and just kind of a weird, crazy overreach by an administration that's at 28%.
They actually have lower polling numbers than Nixon did on his way out.
Wow, I did not know that.
And one thing that a lot of people haven't mentioned is that's the most disastrous first term for any president since Herbert Hoover.
There's no worse first year.
You're supposed to be great.
Your first 100 days is supposed to be like the celebration of your entire administration.
And these guys were losing Afghanistan and giving the Taliban billions of dollars in weapons.
They were creating all these lockdown conditions, fascist mandates, and all the rest.
So it's just a terrible opening.
It's a disgrace.
Yeah.
And it proves out pretty much that Stepford Biden's the puppet.
And this is going to be interesting to see how this plays into a second year because this guy probably doesn't have long to go, frankly.
He's elderly and he is showing signs of severe dementia.
Whenever he talks, we're in a really strange position there.
I know people in their late 80s and 90s who could run circles around this guy.
So it's not his age, it's literally the degeneration going on there.
And I think this is significant with the Supreme Court looking at this incredible overreach where he was requiring these companies with 100 employees or more to enforce these fascist mandates.
And that's interfering with private business on a large scale.
And so if there's any kind of backbone left, For law in the Supreme Court, they will find those mandates, throw them out.
UFO File Fusion00:15:19
But I do think that this is kind of, you know, 2022 starts with a battle, and we're already seeing that.
You know, it's raging on, and we're right in the middle of it.
And the best way to get through it, of course, is to focus our thoughts, and that's what we're going to do tonight.
Of course, one of the most kind of heavily covered items in the X series is the UFO file, but there's a piece of it.
Which operates in terms of information right between the hot zone, which is information that's waiting under the oceans in an area there by the Bahamas, and also a whole electrogravitics magnetic exploration.
Those things, you know, we're going to get into the hot zone tonight.
And the reason that these two things go together is when they combine, when the UFO file combines with the hot zone activity, then you know.
That you're really in for something deep in terms of secrets being revealed.
And that's mainly what they've tried to keep down.
You know, if you think about the amount of energy that's been spent covering up things around the UFO file and the advanced technology involved.
Well, when it comes to the hot zone, it's the same.
It's actually so heavy duty that it's talked about much less.
And so we're going to get into that tonight.
And we'll get into it through the figure of Thomas Townsend Brown.
And we did an episode, I think it's X45.
Or X42, actually, with Thomas Townsend Brown giving us the outline.
And tonight we're going to get into something that he was a part of called the Caroline Group, of which much is not very well known.
But I was able to, by opening up a number of sources around it, get a much better grasp.
And I think we're going to see the roots of the X Protect and the X Share group and the X Reveal group right there aboard the Caroline during this very crucial period of the early 1930s.
And this became elements of the CIA and became elements of that X Protect group.
That protects the UFO file information.
So, we're going to go deep into that tonight.
And in the second half of the program, we're going to be taking your questions.
So, you can ask those.
And Miss Olivia will be counting them even now.
Now, how's it going out there?
Good.
I actually have something I wanted to quote right here.
One just life said, sending all our love and healing vibes to Dr. Farrell.
We are so grateful for his insight, research, intelligence, and, of course, magnificent sense of humor.
Be well soon, Joseph.
Yes, and Dr. Joseph Farrell is recovering.
He had some surgery recently, and all of our thoughts are with him and hoping that he's doing much better.
And we're hearing that he's stable after his surgery.
So that's great.
It's interesting, you know, the challenges also that people go through during these periods.
And it's great when we're all collectively kind of on the same page, sending that good energy to him for a fast recovery.
And we definitely, with all the fantastic work that Joseph has done and contributed, I know he'll be back soon and stronger than ever.
So we're looking forward to that.
Amazing.
And I want to say that it's interesting because so much of Joseph's work shows up in this episode inadvertently, oddly enough, because he did a lot of coverage around this.
And it's intrinsic in his book series.
Of the Giza Death Star book series around Thomas Townsend Brown.
And what you find there is any good researcher, when they go into it and they take a look, they can see that when Thomas Townsend's electrogravitics work goes black, something very strange happens, as if there's a huge gap in the record.
And there's a huge gap in the kind of science that's been developed.
And then it never gets picked up again publicly.
But we know that they've continued to operate.
Underneath.
And what we have in the case of Thomas Townsend Brown are family members and former insiders that I've spoken to who worked with him directly.
And they've given us a much better picture of what he was up to and some of the challenges that he faced, which literally come over into what's happening now with the UFO file and the advanced technology piece.
So we're going to be really getting into that tonight.
It's fantastic to have so many of you here with us.
And I have to say that.
You know, whenever it gets to looking at what we call the X technology on this program, you have to think of it as something that's been developed and just hidden.
And the access and the geopolitics around access to that advanced technology become a very crucial kind of football that's up in the air.
And you see people throughout different eras, everyone from Eisenhower to Teddy Roosevelt having some role in relation to this advanced technology.
It's been around a long time.
And the trail, the steganography that leads us to kind of taking a look at some of this stuff rolls us right into 2022 with all of the battles around the ASRO and some of the phony government organizations that claimed, oh, we're going to be bringing out UFO disclosure, which is largely a CIA run program.
But the real UFO file piece is there, and the people who've had those experiences and witnessed those things, and the military people who've witnessed those things.
So, it finds us in a very interesting situation.
And what we've done with the show, and some of the things that I want to reiterate about X series style research basically, traditional researchers that are looking after hidden subjects, deep state researchers, for example, they'll find incredible things going on in relation to government secrecy.
And they've opened up so many vistas around assassinations and, you know, The typical playbook of the CIA overseas, overthrowing countries, throwing elections, drug running, money laundering, the creation of black budget banks, missing trillions, the secret space programs.
These things are all in there.
And then what you have around people who understand the UFO file activity is they understand that there's an advanced program involving off world visitors.
And the advanced technology that they carry and the energy paradigm that goes with it.
And there's also a different piece, which is that we study in this program, which is all about the mystery schools and the advanced technology kept in the mystery schools that goes back to ancient advanced technology.
And so much of that research, we've brought forward this area by the Bahamas between the western tip of Cuba and the Yucatan Peninsula and the coast of Florida, that whole area.
We've discovered it's called the hot zone.
And the reason it's called the hot zone is because if you're down there and you're working for a private entity or the military, you are under orders and court martial and everything else.
If you discuss publicly the ruins that you see under the Bahamas or under Cuba or anything in that area, as we've discussed.
Now, that piece and the geopolitical ramifications of that piece going on there, which we've seen.
Everything from the Cuban Missile Crisis to the incredible drug running going on in those areas, we see a strange thing piggybacking on top of all this.
And what it has to do with is that there are ancient ruins beneath that area of the world, and it's not talked about.
There are only a few references to it out there.
And the majority comes from the work of the psychic Edgar Casey.
And Casey brought forward the idea that an advanced group left technology.
And that technology sank but was to rise again.
That is, the landmass would rise off the East Coast of America.
So, this is the piece that either people on the UFO side or people on the deep state side can't really get into because it lends itself into psychic information on one level, it lends itself to the story of Atlantis on another.
And generally, when you get into the fields where they will talk about this, a lot of it's malarkey with people.
LARPing that they're reincarnated king of Atlantis or something like that.
So it doesn't let.
Did you just use the term LARPing?
So, but this is where we go, unfortunately.
So, there's a lot of psychic projection, shall we say.
So, the question for us going forward with this material and going forward with this research is how do we take that keen understanding of deep state research, which understands, hey, there's something wrong and we've been lied to on a political level, and here's, you know, they're all about control and all the rest, and they're consolidating power at the top, which is really viable research and very relevant for the period that we're in, and then combine it with the UFO file research, the genuine stuff.
Not the kooky CIA Lou Elizondo circus.
That's all a joke.
We're going to get into just how big fat of a joke that is tonight.
But the real hardcore, kind of John Mack, Stanton Friedman wing of ufology, they've both passed on, unfortunately.
But that incredible understanding that there's a phenomenon that's going on and that we're being visited and there's.
A number of aspects to it, not just, hey, look, it's an advanced craft flying in our skies.
There's all kinds of experiences that people have in relation to this.
And then the third piece, when speaking about the work of Edgar Cayce and the mystery schools, Rudolf Steiner, Theosophy, and Blavatsky, telling us there was an advanced civilization that was in the Atlantic Ocean and it sank during a massive cataclysm.
Cayce's explanation for why it sank was that the groups themselves had.
Overloaded this technology.
They tuned the forces too high and it caused cataclysms, volcanic activity.
And they were operating something called the two eye stone, and the two eye stones were power station crystals that were throughout the world.
And by operating these too high, they set off these explosions.
So it's kind of like a nuclear power plant meltdown, essentially.
These threads of information don't get brought together, and this is the main thing.
Thing that's happening here with the X series.
But it's a big problem in general when information isn't correlated because they're left on separate tracks and they develop separately.
And everyone has different types of expertise and they're all valid in their own categories.
What I'm saying is, without that wide angle lens bringing them all together, you'll never get the full picture, for example, of why things are going on over here politically in a place like the hot zone, where it doesn't really make sense for that much focus to be there.
Places like Cuba, for example.
What is it about Cuba that's so special to these people?
Think about it.
I mean, for sure, Cuba is a wonderful place and they have great resources, et cetera.
But on a number of occasions, it's almost been the cause of World War III.
And we've seen in general in that area, there are all sorts of basic banana republic revolts that have happened over the years.
And they used to say, well, that's between communism and capitalism.
That's really what's going on there.
I want us to take a different view, and that's how we're going to get into a group like the Caroline group tonight.
What we're going to do is we're going to bring in our understanding around metaphysics, and we're also going to bring in our understanding around the deep state aspects, and then combine that with our UFO file understanding.
And then we're going to get a much bigger picture through the figure of the Caroline group.
That these people, the CIA, for example, and its wing that operates a psychic wing, Well, a lot of people think, well, the CIA, they do assassinations, they do all these other things.
They do psychic stuff too?
Yeah, they do psychic stuff.
And it's documented.
And it's even in their own documents.
So when we look at these different aspects and we pull these different pieces together, we start to see, even through things like the remote viewing program, which got revealed, that we're dealing with a very different set of facts and a different level of reality that's being explored far beyond the things that we're told about over and over again.
Even in righteous battles, That we see on the surface, you know, and there's going to be a tremendous pushback against the fascism and the pharma fascism and all the rest of it.
But even that is an attempt to erase all of your attention and take it into a black hole.
As I'm convinced, many of the world wars and the Vietnam War and the Iraq War and these things are meant to do the same thing.
They're supposed to create a whirlpool of thought and pull away attention from these other things that are happening.
What Is it exactly that we're being distracted from?
So that's where this X research is really going to help us go into a direction where when we look at these things, we're going to be looking at them through this tri lens.
And it's those three aspects of the deep state, the UFO file, and the mystery school understanding and how they interrelate.
This is the quality of the fusion of information that's going to take us up a level.
And so that's what we're going to get into tonight.
I want to thank everyone for being here.
You are watching the Dark Journalist X Series 116.
This is the Caroline Group Hot Zone UFO file, and it features Thomas Townsend Brown, Ernest Hemingway, and also a very interesting and important physicist we've tried to profile on this program named Robert Sarbacher.
And Sarbacher, like this, is super close with T.T. Brown.
Thought Waves Reality00:03:34
Yes.
No, I was laughing.
Sarbacher is always such a hard name to say.
I've mastered it.
I do have a question for you.
Yes.
Okay.
So, Coldassi wants to know Do you think that when Atlantis sank, magic was destroyed at the same time?
Was destroyed?
Well, yeah, of course, magic can never truly be destroyed.
But what do you think happened to the magic that they practiced there?
Interesting.
Well, when you get into that, it's interesting you mention that because whenever Atlantis is spoken about, we hear about these incredible magicians associated with it.
And we hear that by the end, the black magicians, the Belial group, Had kind of command of everyone's mind.
It kind of sounds like the entrainment technology that we're looking at now.
But no, I think that certainly through the Druidic traditions and all different types of traditions, like the Sami people and everything else, that magic has continued to exist.
But it's apparently, I think the legend is, and the clash is in the Atlantean story, is that we had the really high sort of Amelia's white magicians.
Battling the Lyle black magicians.
And so the battle wasn't like, I'm going to nuke your forest kind of thing.
It was literally our thought waves directed against these other thought waves.
And the battle was in thought.
And so much of the things that we hear about in relation to Atlantis and the history that's been given to us through the mystery schools and through the work of people like Steiner, Nagar, Casey, much of Atlantis exists on a thought plane.
That is, their thoughts could influence the physical reality.
So we have to think of ourselves as a different type of being, in a sense.
We can't just bring ourselves back to Atlantis fully as the 21st century American or citizen of the world because you're in a different relationship to matter in that period.
And when I've talked about us learning things about that aspect of our history, it's interesting because.
What happens is the UFO file becomes the key for everyone.
If we only had disclosure around the UFO file, disclosure this, disclosure this.
But if you had disclosure around our actual history in Atlantis as an advanced culture, and it blew away all of the, hey, culture started in Samaria in 5000 BC or whatever, which we know is ridiculous, then that's a much bigger shift, in fact, than, hey, there are visitors from other worlds.
Our own advanced past is, in my opinion, a much bigger revelation because it relates directly to us.
The other thing I want to say in relation to the UFO file aspect is too often this gets into a superstition piece.
And part of that superstition is, oh, the aliens are super advanced and they're cosmically advanced and they are our spiritual overlords, that kind of thing.
So I think that when we want to take a look at this aspect, we want to see that it's more about.
The alien aspect is about peers.
It's like discovering another tribe, you know, a more advanced technological tribe.
But nonetheless, they're peers in that there's physical life elsewhere in the galaxy.
Alien Aspect Peers00:03:10
That's the whole point of it.
So I think that the larger piece that's been impressed on the alien aspect.
And then from the Christian point of view, you know, the really hardcore Christian point of view, the whole idea that.
UFOs are demons.
This is also getting us into trouble because if they're peers, again, they're neither gods or the devil, you know, they're just their peers.
So you're going to find good and bad anywhere you look at it from that angle.
So I think we need a really clear idea about that.
What we're in the middle of and what's happening in this period coming into 2022 is that the Central Intelligence Agency has been building for over seven decades a program to create a threat that gives them.
The ultimate world power.
And that consolidation of power comes through emergency proclamations, as we saw them used during the whole COVID crisis thing that's been going on, and they continue to use.
But they really, when it first came out, they were really keen on using these.
Stay in your house, you know, that kind of thing.
And we were talking about that story in Australia where they just told the citizens there who weren't interested in the mandates to stay at home and don't go to work.
So you can't work and you can't exercise.
I think it's more the Australian politicians who should lose their jobs.
They're the ones who shouldn't be working.
And I've said over and over again on this program that in terms of Australia, we're looking at an international crisis.
So we have to keep that in mind as we go forward on this that the UN and all these other countries should be brought in to look at Australia and say, you're under fascist dictatorship rule with incredible dictates like that.
It's absurd.
They're literally gutting any sense of democracy there.
So I think it should be literally the top issue internationally.
It's an absolute crisis.
And I've stressed that on this program over and over again.
I want to remind everyone to go to darkjournalist.com and sign up for our newsletter.
That's really, you know, we talk about avoiding a lot of the incredible meltdown and censorship that we're seeing.
We really can avoid it by having that direct channel.
And that way, when we wake up and we see whether or not the social media networks have gotten rid of the facts because it's just too hot to handle, we'd still have a fantastic.
Way of communicating each other.
And it's really simple and it's a free newsletter.
It comes about once a week.
It's no heavy marketing or anything like that.
It just lets you know the incredible shows that we have coming up for you from the X series and also some exciting interviews coming your way.
Okay.
How's the temperature out there?
Good.
Everybody's welcoming back.
So it's been very good.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry I took a month off.
It was the busy season for my career.
Rewriting Human History00:15:26
So.
But I missed you all, and I'm really, really glad to be back.
Fantastic.
Well, I have that whole pile of email fan letters for you.
So it's great to have you back.
I think of it as it's an interesting thing.
This is like timing wise, it's a crucial time for all the work that you're doing, too.
Thank you.
And I think for all of us, for everyone in the ideas room, this beginning of 2022, we can turn this whole thing around.
And I think that the overexposure of the establishment and the World Economic Forum trying to create a world dictatorship through the BAS and others, this really is an overreach.
And it is a place where we can grab them and show them to the rest of our comrades and brothers and sisters around the world and say, this is what they're trying to do.
And what they have is they have this incredible entrainment control.
Which has been able to suppress stories.
I mean, think about our parents and even grandparents around the Kennedy assassination and the stories and the lies they had to accept on that.
So, this is an intergenerational problem that we're dealing with.
The thing that sprung up that we're dealing with didn't happen overnight.
I remember when I was sort of first looking at this stuff, and a lot of it, like in my teens, even before my teens, but people would be looking very closely at George Bush, for example.
Bush Sr. and the drug running around Bush Sr. and all this kind of stuff.
And you look back on that now and you're like, wow, you know, it is an intergenerational problem.
The corruption of Lyndon Johnson before that, you know, the Nixon period.
And so on we go through World War II.
And so when we get into these periods, we have to be able to take our minds through them.
We have to know the details well enough and reject the official history around everything from Pearl Harbor to, you know, World War I and the creation of the Fed and all those things.
Oh, the Fed bailed everybody out.
It was important.
That's the official story.
When we know, you know, in the real story, on their side, their quote about it is that things need to go into tighter, righter hands.
That's a George Bush quote.
Yeah.
And when you think about it, this is interesting because, you know, I think about the generational part because of the types of things my own, you know, people that I know who are older and people in my family, they've seen it through a different lens.
But they went through all the Kennedy stuff and the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy and all of the, you know, bizarre and I mean, truly bizarre things that took place in the 80s.
Around Iran Contra and the drug running and sending missiles to Iran.
And also, I mean, you know, this is something that is, you know, we're passing down through generations at point.
And I think what's happened is it's just hit a level because they've felt on the establishment side that they have the technology available and that they have the, you know, just pure brute force strength to be able to run over the population and that they're going to take this opportunity.
And somebody has convinced them in their ear that shock and awe is the way to go.
You can just hear Klaus Schwab back there.
We'll hit them with this and we'll hit them hard.
This is where they're going.
And the problem is, and where I think that they have seen the problem is they've always had the image thing.
This is what the Bushes and the Rockefellers and these groups knew very well.
And even the Alan Dulles people, CIA, after the Kennedy assassination, they kept rolling out these experts so that people would believe.
Now you have a thing, you know, with like Fauci and Gates and stuff like that.
And it is not, these are not people that are trustworthy.
And they don't have that ability to convey, you know, Stepford Biden, Kamala Harris, these people are not, they don't have that persuasiveness of different types of leaders.
So it puts us in a weird situation.
Yes.
It's not just that.
I mean, just even listening to SCOTUS today, you know, these are the best and the brightest.
I don't think so.
If there's any of this great disillusionment with experts of any kind, so called experts, is that scum rises to the top, basically.
No question about it.
One of the things, and one of the big keys about what they're trying to push involves the UFO threat, the UFO CIA disclosure piece.
This is a piece that goes in with the medical dictatorship as well.
So, this is something where we can see this is what they're planning for.
So, when we look at it, we have a jump on them in that they've been planning this for decades, true, but in the public, it's only since 2017 that they've shown this level of we're going to reveal the threat thing and then move ourselves in as the saviors to defend you from the threat.
They weren't really pushing for that before.
They were still dealing with the like, we will save you from the terrorists, we will save you from the communists.
But This will save you from the alien threat.
This is a whole different level, and they need to be on a different level.
The fact is, they can't get very far with it if we are aware.
And that's a very crucial thing.
Speaking about magic, if you're aware of the trick, it loses its impact, obviously.
So.
Can I throw you a question?
Yeah.
Okay.
I love people like this because you're wired like I am.
Plato Always New is asking DJ, how do you think the UFO op will backfire on the deep state?
What will go wrong?
Cutting straight to the chase.
What is going to.
So, you know, a lot of that depends on us, you know, winding up.
Yeah, it's true.
Actually, that's a good point.
Before the show's over, you'll hear what I think about that because it's built into this show, actually.
There's only, I mean, the worst kind of reality you can imagine is the government in charge of a worldwide response to an alien invasion because they're in a position, one, to create a false alien invasion.
Let's remember that.
And two, with that ability to project things and with the ability from what they've learned over probably more than seven decades relating to the alien technology.
I mean, we're talking, you know, the period when John Trump goes and finds Nikola Tesla's work when the FBI sends him in there.
That's 1943.
So, you know, we're cresting up to almost 80 years of that.
So we're already, you know, in this period where they know a great deal about it.
And so their ability to imitate advanced technologies coming here, and they've studied our emotions on this for close to a century.
So, I think in relation to this, I think it's the ultimate power play for a group.
And it's associated with rewriting human history.
And so that human origin story becomes a core piece.
And here's what's interesting.
Since Gigi Young really brought this out very heavily this year, and we had interviews with her about it, she really keyed in on what they were doing.
We did the episodes with Joseph Farrell, some of them got banned that were about Mars.
That piece, the human origin story, now I see all these other researchers talking about it.
Aha, they've Suddenly discovered that the human origin story is being monkeyed with, and that you know, this idea that they're going to use even like the new age, for example, to say, Oh, look, you know, it's just the Anunnaki that created you.
They've tried this before, so now they've sort of streamlined that picture, and it's very important for them to create this idea that there's a different human origin story because then they can uncouple you from your own spiritual heritage, and they can also uncouple what it means to be a.
Human, period, so they can redefine the human being.
This is a very important core principle, but somehow it relates to these mysteries that involve space.
So let's take a look now at the Caroline group and bring ourselves into this period of about 1930.
And we're just getting into FDR's presidency.
We've just had the Great Depression, and Herbert Hoover had a terrible first.
Year in office, just like Stepford Biden.
And there is a correlation there.
And by the way, that jobs report today is one of the worst jobs reports in history.
No surprise there.
One of the things they found out is that last month, 4.5 million people quit their jobs.
And they didn't say, oh, they quit them over mandates.
They said, oh, they just decided to get out.
I mean, when you have that kind of coverage, you'll never be able to see things that are actually happening.
And that's the kind of media trick.
But when you get 4.5 million people saying, I quit, that has a huge impact on the economy.
And that brings us to Hoover.
When we go back into this period and we think about some of the powerhouses of that era, Einstein really stands out dramatically.
But Einstein is also a huge consolidation so that they can get everyone else to stop speculating.
So they say, theory of relativity, here's the science that we're going with.
And they sort of move the other stuff off to the side.
You know, questions about ether, for example, different modes of energy, different molecules.
A lot of these questions get pulled off the table because they have the theory of relativity to work with.
One of the things that was going on in this period is that T.T. Brown was a young science genius.
And right off the bat, he's noticed by Einstein.
And I'll give you a brief biography on him.
And, you know, he got very deep into the UFO file.
And from my conversations again with his family members and people who were close to him, he had a very strong sense of kind of ethical application of the things that he discovered.
And this is what set him apart and also made him a target.
Of this X Protect group.
And in fact, we'll find out that he had to hire bodyguards over and over again for his family as he was working on these secret projects.
And he kept seeking out the best people in the government to work on them with because the government wasn't a monolith.
It was these separate groups vying for power.
But a little background on Thomas Townsend Brown.
He was born in Ohio in 1905.
And at the age of 18, experimenting with X ray tubes, he applies a high voltage electrical charge.
To a capacitor, and to his astonishment, it begins to rotate, and he develops a whole different field.
Now, he's taken under the wing of Dr. Paul Byfield, and Byfield is one of Einstein's real proteges.
And so, this gets us with Brown and Einstein.
When we were doing all of the interesting research on George Ellery Hale and setting up Caltech and looking for the Sun King and all that kind of stuff.
And they had Einstein out there for a number of years.
But we also know from the testimony of Einstein's assistant that they called him in for the Roswell project.
And we also know that he's involved with Project Invisibility and the Philadelphia experiment, these things.
These are the experiments and the things that are kept behind closed doors in that.
70 some odd years later, we don't know anything about them.
This is that chasm that exists in our consciousness in relation to how far we've developed.
So we understand we've had incredible technological achievement, we've had incredible nuclear achievement and science achievement, but the areas that have been kept black are creating a schizophrenic setup in the culture that we have because it's a very small group that has access to very advanced technology,
advanced science, advanced medicine, while everyone else Is not aware of it and also it's being used at times against the population.
So it sets up a scenario where the scientific dictatorship is becoming the Brave New World aspect.
But what is it that was hidden and how can we get a snapshot of that?
Well, through the figure of Brown, we get the sense when later he develops NICAP.
Now, NICAP is the organization, the first major organization to study UFOs.
This is a big key and a big clue to Brown's work and his discoveries.
But first, he goes into the Navy and they send him on these errands.
And remember his expertise, his scientific expertise.
The errands they keep sending him on are into the hot zone, into Cuba.
And in fact, he'll find when they send him there, weird things happen, like intense hurricanes when he goes or earthquakes.
And then they have him testing out some of the first deep sea submersible submarines.
Now, we had submarines and there were U boats in World War I, et cetera, but these things were a little more advanced.
And, you know, flashing forward, when we look at a character like Ghislaine Maxwell, for example, and we look at Epstein Island and we look at the things that they were doing, Maxwell with Terramar surveying the ocean floor, that whole project was a cover for this investigation into the hot zone.
And instead of saying, oh, we're looking for these ancient advanced ruins because we're part of an Atlantis cult and we want to find and have access to this two eye stone.
Instead, you're just saying, I want to save the world's ocean.
Caroline Yacht Ethics00:03:37
You have the perfect cover.
That is a classic Intel device, but with the kind of money that those people had, in fact, we knew where it was going.
But if we track back and go back into this period where T.T. Brown is, what happens is he finds himself being invited into these different projects while he's there for the Navy.
One of the projects is to take on the scientific exploration of this Caroline yacht.
And the Caroline yacht will be equipped with scientific experiments and all the rest of it.
And the character behind the Caroline yacht and how he's referred to as Mr. X gives us a lot of clues.
Who owns the Caroline yacht?
I'm going to actually read a little bit about this because there's a lot of interesting history around Brown.
But here's another piece the book that came out about Brown, and I have this directly now from his daughter, Linda.
Who really try to get the real story on the record.
And Paul Shatskin, who wrote the book Define Gravity, the parallel universe of Keith Townsend Brown, I have the author's first draft book here.
There were a lot of issues between the author and Brown because, in a nutshell, basically she would put something out there and he would reinterpret what she was thinking.
That's the best way, I guess, to put it.
So she would say, I had this experience, for example.
Alien ship came down in the backyard, and my dad went out and visited.
And then he would write it down and say, Oh, you had a dream.
So you see, there's a big difference there.
Right through his filters.
That's a big problem.
And there's a lot of, I don't even know why somebody would undertake to write the book.
As good as his research is, and I recommend the book, of course, but as good as his research is, why get involved if you're not willing to actually get to the bottom of, you know, The part of T.T. Brown's work that went black.
So that was always a strange thing, too.
So it does, it lends itself to the idea that, you know, they were trying to keep the information about T.T. Brown in a certain corridor.
Now, I've pointed out the very unusual story of the fact that some of the people involved with the current UFO op and pushing it were formerly involved with trying to extract information from T.T. Brown that he was very reluctant to give.
Because he didn't want that type of advanced information in the hands of these guys because they didn't have the kind of ethics scientifically that he had.
And so when I see those names pop up, like Hal Put Off specifically, and I know that, for example, T.T. Brown warned his daughter on his deathbed to stay away from that man, you know that these aren't the people that should be around the UFO file giving humanity its story of interacting with these alien groups.
You know, why is this lifelong scientist concerned about this figure who's working for the CIA?
It's because he knows that they have this kind of agenda.
So we have to keep that in mind as we go forward into this work, that it tracks directly to the UFO push that we're seeing happen right now.
Edgar Cayce Connections00:05:24
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalists X Series.
This is X Series 116, and we're going into the Caroline group, which is.
The UFO file in the hot zone, Thomas Townsend Brown, Ernest Hemingway, and Robert Sarbacher all play a role in this.
We're going to be taking your questions in the second part of the program.
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So it's much better if you get those notifications directly from us.
And with the questions and stuff, how's it going out there?
Good.
Nick Malone says, DJ should.
Talk about Townsend Brown anti gravity device he lost control of.
Is that coming up tonight?
Excellent point.
Well, I've got about 15 bullet points, so I'm sure it's in there somewhere.
But this has been about the Caroline.
Let's just get into the figure of who the Caroline is.
Now, oh, this is another interesting thing that this guy does, Shatskin, in this book, which Linda thought was unusual in her conversations with me.
He constantly goes back to this love affair that she's having, it's like half the book.
You know, her and Morgan.
You know, it's like Morgan wrote love letters and like she was thinking about how they can make this into something like a movie or something like that.
Here I come, Hulu series.
So there is, you know, there's over and over again as you're getting into this, you stumble over this kind of love letter stuff.
But what's interesting is there's a whole chapter in there called Quadratic Equations in Mr. X.
I recommend it highly in terms of X steganography and the kind of research that we do here on this program.
But what I'm going to say is, here's the setup for Caroline and Mr. X. Here we go.
And this is directly from the book, which I do recommend Defying Gravity by Paul Shatskin, and it is about this.
But we have to keep in mind, with a caveat, that in terms of Linda's contribution, she basically had the majority of the research because it was her dad.
So, you know, there's too much maneuvering around that.
But nonetheless, it's worthwhile.
Okay.
When Linda first arrived in Florida a couple of weeks earlier, her father was entertaining a visitor, a spry, distinguished, white haired gentleman who had flown in from NASA in the Bahamas.
Linda knew that her father had some business contacts in the Bahamas.
In fact, the Brown family had lived there briefly a few years earlier.
Brown spends almost all of his time in the hot zone.
In fact, the Brown family had lived there briefly, right?
And that was when Charles Miller first showed up and became a fixture in their lives.
Linda knew virtually nothing about this gentleman who was visiting her father, though he was a recurring presence during her time in Homestead.
She knew of him only as Mr. X. Besides his permanent home in the Bahamas, Mr. X maintained a temporary residence in Coral Gables and from there visited the lab and homestead on more than one occasion.
While Linda and Morgan were present, and Morgan is Linda's love interest, who this Mr. X and Townsend Brown realize, aha, he's scientifically advanced.
We can use him on this program.
The only thing is, he can't have anything to do with.
Thomas Townsend Brown's daughter, under those circumstances.
And it's a very interesting thing that happens where he exits her life because of this and goes into this almost like James Bond world on the scientific side.
Mr. X invited Morgan and Townsend to return with him to Coral Gables, where the three of them spent the better part of an entire day sailing around the same waters of Biscayne Bay where Linda and Morgan had been sailing just the week before.
So, what happens is Mr. X recruits Morgan, as I mentioned.
Now, this gets into the next piece, which is that during this period around 1930, so before all this happens, that's when T.T. Brown gets involved around these Navy experiments.
And so he's passed his association with Einstein and he's become popular.
Being part of this Brown Byfield effect, discovering this kind of electrographitics of the period.
And so the person who owns the Caroline, I'll quote directly from the book The Caroline belonged to a man named Elridge Reeves Johnson.
The yacht was named for Johnson's mother, who died when he was a child, well before her son would become the world's wealthiest industrialist in the two decades that her son would become one of the world's wealthiest industrialists in the two decades that spanned the late 19th century.
Into the 20th century, amid the railroad tycoons and oil barons of the Gilded Age, Eldred Reeves Johnson became the era's first great media mogul when he started the outfit called the Victor Talking Machines Company.
Intelligence Gathering Shell00:13:19
And this is very interesting because it's the first recording.
And there's a whole story about Edison coming up with the first tape recorders and all the rest of it, but this is the guy who really popularized it.
Eldred Reeves Johnson was a giant for 20th century industry.
Whom time seems to have forgotten.
Although history has recorded that Thomas Edison invented the tinfoil phonograph in 1877, perhaps nobody did more to popularize the talking machine than Eldridge Johnson.
Now, it's interesting because Edgar Cayce, who I mentioned here, comes up a couple of times in this relation because Edison develops a fascination for Edgar Cayce.
And it's like, what I really want to do is I want to record this guy giving a reading.
This is 1911.
And I'm just going to insert this real quickly and get back to the Caroline story.
But what happens with Casey is when he is giving a reading, he is in a very delicate psychic state.
So when Edison puts that microphone up to his mouth, he shuts up immediately.
This happened with Casey before there was a doctor who asked him to give a reading for a patient.
And as Casey's giving this rather lengthy dissertation on the patient's condition, the man passes a paper.
Over his solar plexus.
And Casey not only stops, but he seems to almost have like a visceral reaction.
And he stays in that state for 24 hours, almost like comatose.
So, whatever it was that was going on when Casey was achieving these states of psychic broadcasting and tapping into that, physically he could not be interfered with.
And so, if his astral body is leaving his body, if somebody's doing something to sever that connection, like putting something in front of his mouth to record him or passing a piece of paper, then the whole thing's going to unwind.
Here's another interesting fact about.
Those readings.
When Casey gives the readings for Edison during the same trip, Edison has with him Nikola Tesla.
And Casey gives readings for both Edison and Tesla.
Here's another weird thing both of those readings have disappeared.
So it's well known, and there are diaries of Casey talking about Edison and how Edison didn't actually believe in a soul and things of this nature.
And they were seeking in these readings from Casey the nature of electricity.
And so we get a hint of what may have been going on.
But the fact that they disappeared meant they were too sensitive.
Again, this is a whole strange thing that would happen with Casey throughout his life.
I mentioned the third series of the Bimini readings.
People just come in and grab it.
But I think, in particular, with the Tesla one, it would have revealed a great deal about Tesla.
And so.
Either Edison had those intentionally taken, you know, but it's a mysterious trail.
Nonetheless, by the way, you'll hear once in a while online that, oh, you know, Casey gave those readings for Tesla.
And what actually happened is they were listed under this five year old boy.
And if you read those five year old boy things, that's a cover or whatever.
Whoa, I never heard that before.
It's ridiculous, though.
It's not true.
And this is the interesting thing about it.
How do you know it's not true?
Have you read all those books?
Yeah.
I mean, the.
The readings that have to do with it, there were times when he would give a reincarnation reading for a young person and he would go back and say they had this kind of electrical life, you know, as an engineer in Atlantis or something of this nature.
So those exist for sure.
And some of the really important ones around Atlantis, there are a couple that were about children.
But interestingly enough, somebody, there's a lot of ping ponging around this because people are so desperate to have that thing to connect it up and say, you know what, I've got the The Tesla reading and it connects with this, and I'll just kind of create the scenario.
Bang.
But it doesn't, it doesn't wash.
There's no proof for any of that.
And the eras don't add up either because the Casey readings for Edison take place in 1911.
So he's not mentioning Atlantis in that period.
It doesn't, Casey doesn't mention Atlantis until the 1920s.
So it's, remember, it's a gradual curve that the mystery schools are giving out that information on.
But it is fascinating, I think, when you get into it, because what happens is on a later set of readings, he gives readings for a man named Stansbury, and through these readings, he develops something called the perpetual motion motor.
This is something that one of the people who really put Casey on the map was Morton Blumenthal, who was a stockbroker out of New York.
Who's like, this guy is amazing.
And originally built the Casey Hospital in the 1920s.
But then he tried to control Casey and say he can give readings to these people, but not to these people.
And Casey had to let go of the entire relationship, unfortunately.
The guy was very dynamic, but he was very interested in building this perpetual motor.
Now, if you go into that story a little bit, you're going to find that the perpetual motion motor has a series of readings, over 20 readings about it.
And that they build this motor and they make the patents for it.
But little by little over time, all of the research, Stansbury's research around the perpetual motor disappears.
And by the time he dies in 1973, all those researchers looking around for anything that's left of the perpetual motion motor, it's gone.
So you find this over and over again in relation to these things.
When things disappear, there's a reason.
It's not, you know, It's not just because, hey, you know, it just so happens.
And what's weird actually is there are readings with Stansbury that also disappeared.
So we have to see that there's a program around it.
We know that the Central Intelligence Agency actually penetrated the Casey Foundation in the 60s because they were very curious about the Hall of Records readings.
And they wanted to know what the Casey Foundation knew.
So that's documented on record.
And the perpetual motion motor, and the fact that there are all these patents around it, and that Blumenthal, who was a Wall Street shark, had all this money behind it.
And then for the thing just to fizzle and disappear is quite unusual.
I want to mention something odd about that, and this will all work itself around.
But there's an interesting individual, the guy who created the perpetual motion motor.
The circumstances around him creating this are very interesting because.
What happens is during World War I in France, this man, Stansbury, who created the motor, has a near death experience.
So he's almost killed by an exploding shell.
And when he's in that state and he's presumed dead, and then suddenly they discover he's alive and he comes back, he comes back very strangely, having felt that he met this very important figure from the past who told him, You're going to create this perpetual motion motor.
And so I'm going to get into that guy.
Get into it now.
Why did he have a near death experience?
What happened?
He was in World War I in France.
He was blown up on the field.
Yeah, there was a shell that exploded and he died.
I do find it interesting that this is how the perpetual motion.
It's fascinating.
Yeah.
I mean, if you think about it, you know, a lot of this stuff comes in through the psychic realm.
Again, when I started the show, I said we need to kind of look at things through this tri lens because.
When Tesla, for example, brings forward the alternating current, that's because he's been reading Faust.
And, you know, in Goethe's work, he finds that phrase and it makes him think.
He has that realization.
So these things work together, they're operating on an invisible level from us.
We couldn't kind of say, I'm going to create the conditions for this thing to drop in on me.
Artificially, this is something that happens as the result of a sequence of thought and feeling and action.
And so that's why the idea of dry science, or somebody saying, I'm going to just look and work through these equations without understanding the larger piece around it, is missing that whole key that Rudolf Steiner talks about, which is the spiritual science.
That's really where we're coming from with so much of this.
And we also have to come to grips with the idea that part of it relates to what's going on underground and underwater, and part of it relates to what's going on in space.
And of course, so much of it relates to the space of thought.
So let's take it from this angle.
T.T. Brown gets pulled in to this Caroline group.
And the Caroline group represents basically an early version of intelligence gathering.
And they're also utilizing scientific intelligence gathering.
And that's what he's specifically chosen for.
But the Caroline group.
It's not very well known and not very well documented, but there's enough of it there for us to start to put together the pieces of why Hemingway, for example, is so deep into the work in the Hot Zone and why Hemingway is so caught up in the Atlantis part and why Hemingway has this relationship with JFK, who also is associated with naval intelligence, these echoes and offshoots of the Caroline Group.
Yes.
So, is the Caroline Group an occult slash science?
Excellent way to put it.
Yeah.
One of the interesting things that happens is when T.T. Brown goes aboard the yacht, he's presented with the original copy of Alice in Wonderland.
And it's interesting because.
The original one?
Yes.
The original one.
The actual original copy.
Like what?
Like it's a blessing?
Like it's part of the ritual?
It's like the initiation?
Well, what's interesting is that Brown notices that it's in glass.
And he says, What's going on with that?
And he says, Well, if the Caroline sinks, this thing will survive because it'll float.
This is how important it is.
It's interesting.
If you go into that story further, you're going to find out that the owner of the Caroline will show that original copy of Alice in Wonderland to Calvin Coolidge, the president, because Coolidge is all obsessed to see that original version of it.
Was Coolidge a Mason?
I'm just curious.
Do we know that?
That's a good question, actually.
More than likely.
Yeah, it's not an overt piece of his history.
I mean, we know for sure that FDR was, but just the fact that he had this fascination for it, quite interesting.
So we're going now into that owner of the Caroline, and he's getting T.T. Brown involved in this program.
And what we find out about that program is that there are all these connecting links that happen for T.T. Brown as a result of it.
And that later his association with Robert Saarbacher.
Goes into this thread and this trail.
But it seems very obvious that the Caroline group splits off into two different sides.
It splits off into that X share side, which no doubt we have T.T. Brown.
It's a major, you know, he's thinking about moving the culture forward by presenting these things.
Tesla would be on the X share side.
But so many of the people who came out of this naval wing of experiments.
Would end up creating the CIA and they'd set up this lethal unit on the aerospace side called X Protect to get rid of all the UFO information when it explodes and to discredit the researchers involved, sometimes using lethal means, as we pointed out in this program.
And that's where we get the whole astral agency aspect of the men in black.
Bermuda Triangle Hot Zone00:09:58
These pieces, if we can put these pieces together, we're going to get a much better rendering of this history.
And we can do that in a snapshot.
Through the Caroline group.
Now, there's an interesting blog entry that somebody made about the Bermuda Triangle.
And this is actually from 2009.
And I found it fascinating.
I've kept it, and it makes such a good reference to this show.
The person themselves, I think that it's anonymous, but I'm going to read it.
It's Bermuda Triangle Stargate.
We found clear evidence of deviations at four locations Fish Hotel, Lyford K, White Hole near Nassau, Dogleg Reef near Marathon in South Florida.
In the course of our dives, we recorded precise figures for what the compass readings were as compared to what they normally should have been.
Over the next few months, I communicated these figures to a number of physicists around the world.
To a one, they told me that such magnetic field anomalies could be caused by briefly appearing micro wormholes.
They could think of no other explanation for the deviations.
Professor John Wheeler of Princeton University has given the name wormhole to what he believes may be transit tunnels between different dimensions of reality.
Well, certainly, wormholes were very familiar with the concept at this point.
According to Wheeler, these wormholes may be only a giga fraction of a square inch in size, the number one preceded by 33 zeros, and then there's a bunch of jargon here on the scientific side.
Here's the part that I found interesting.
Wheeler says these mini black holes, constantly blinking in and out of the geometry of space, are thought to be bits of virtual matter.
That is, they can exist for a limited time only.
Their counterparts, so called mini white holes, are virtual antimatter.
Whenever these two kinds of virtual matter meet up or build up to any extent, they immediately destroy themselves.
Wheeler can offer no explanation as to why mini holes appear, disappear, then reappear.
Now, let's think about this T.T. Brown's in the hot zone.
On a special scientific experimental assignment with the Caroline group.
He's been sent there, as I've suggested, during hurricanes, during earthquakes, and to test deep sea submersibles.
In the hot zone, the legend from the Casey readings is: Poseidonia goes down and it has the two-eye stone in it, and it creates kind of a negative field.
And then if you go just a little bit outside of the hot zone, you're in the Bermuda Triangle.
And there's always been this idea that the same kind of force that was pulling things up when things were magnetically in the green for the Atlanteans is now pulling them down in our time.
And so the people flying over this, they enter a kind of wormhole.
So that's all very well documented.
And by the way, there's been a lot of people trying to sort of debunk things around the Bermuda Triangle.
It doesn't wash, there's too much information, fundamental information.
Solid information about the Bermuda Triangle.
But what is it?
Well, if you could explain it, if you could explain the Bermuda Triangle, and if you understood what it was on the government side, what if there's a factor involved that you don't want to talk about?
For example, hot zone ruins.
So you're never going to give out the actual explanation of what the Bermuda Triangle is because you don't want to kind of go into this other part.
So much of the history that we get are things that are cover stories over and over again, or just blown it off, it's an anomaly, and that's it.
But we want to go deeper.
So let's get a quick snapshot here of the hot zone.
I've heard now over the course of time from a number of people who have operated in that sector.
And they have said, when they're doing something like mapping the ocean floor or underwater examinations, company work, all kinds of stuff, that they are under orders not to reveal if they see any large ruins.
And when I've gone and talked to researchers, and some of them really well known around the Atlantis thing, they've heard about it.
They haven't heard it called the hot zone, but they've heard of something very similar where people have said to them, oh, yeah, they're not supposed to be able to talk about it under these conditions.
The hot zone area, there's a number of anomalies there, including UFOs, which they call fireflies there.
And also, in relation to people saying, well, this hurricane happened, and I looked down and I saw like a Giza pyramid.
So, there have been reports ever since the 1920s of people flying over Cuba, flying over Yucatan, and seeing things there underwater, but particularly under Cuba.
So, we know that in 2001, Polina Zelitsky found an entire city off the western tip of Cuba.
The city, she said, was a metropolis.
And we've done a number of shows about Paulina and her work.
And I've talked.
That's a good point that you're bringing up, though, that it's a metropolis.
It's not just sunken ruins.
It's massive ruins, right?
It's a metropolis.
That's huge.
Yeah, it's a metropolis.
And it's exactly, that's a really good point, which is not just like, hey, we found some temple and that does say something, but this is an entire vista.
So when we think of it that way, that whole history, Can't be something that they just let out.
Egerton Sykes, who was a British intelligence agent, wrote all the books about Atlantis.
He's very obvious and on it.
He wrote a whole journal.
I finally tracked down for three years these electronic versions of these journals, and I finally have them all.
He's very obvious about it.
He said that on his own underwater voyages near the Bahamas, he's found ISIS temples.
He's passed away now.
When we look at these things, there's a whole hidden history going on there in relation to that part of the world.
Now, that's one piece for the hot zone.
Here's another piece.
So you have T.T. Brown and these others who are good at what?
Scientific experiments around gravitics, creating electrogravitics, the Bifield Brown effect.
So they're getting sent down there.
So there's an anomaly there that is being tracked.
And that anomaly relates to an entirely different understanding of technology, magnetic currents, magnetic fields, possibly even time displacement.
And the part two of this episode is going to have everything to do with time travel, in fact.
So, what is this piece about then for T.T. Brown?
Well, if those are the types of things that are there in the hot zone, then it opens up all kinds of questions.
We've done the whole series of programs about how the Casey family was very close with the Hemingway family and that Casey gave readings for Hemingway.
Well, it turns out that Casey had said there's a temple rising, a Poseidon temple off of Bimini.
And that relates to these Atlanteans who built the two eye stone.
That the information about the two eye stone is in three places in the world it's in Yucatan, it's under Bimini, and it's under the foot of the paw of the Sphinx.
There's a hall of records there.
It's interesting because they just came through with a study which I showed either last week or two weeks ago where they were doing a sonar.
I mean, they've done sonar under the Sphinx since 1977, and they've always found Something that looks like a chamber, and they never seem to have the ability to dig directly under the Sphinx for one reason or another, or they're conducting those digs in secret, which is possibly likely.
So, when we look at it like that, we're going into this idea of the hot zone.
And the hot zone then represents what?
It represents ancient ruins, it represents wormholes.
That there's something happening with the magnetic current there which affects actual time, makes compasses spin backwards.
We've heard all about the Bermuda Triangle effect.
So, there's something, some big secret that they got to at a certain point.
And what happens next?
The name T.T. Brown gets brought up in association with the Philadelphia experiment.
What is the Philadelphia experiment about?
In short, it's about making something invisible in one place and having it show up somewhere else.
And we know that Einstein was working on that.
And of course, the Einstein Brown collaboration there, when he's very young, he gets set up with.
Dr. Byfield.
So we're looking at a loop there of this advanced technology that we lost over time.
And so this is the kind of thing that we need to keep in mind when we're around this area of the hot zone and we get into these people like Brown.
What's his next step?
Well, he found NICAP.
Philadelphia Experiment Solved00:13:40
That's all the UFO files.
Somehow these two things are directly related.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
This is episode X116.
We're going deep now.
Thomas Townsend Brown and his associates, Ernest Hemingway.
And Robert Saarbacher.
Can I ask you about Nightcap?
Yes.
Was it for regular citizens or for scientists?
Or both?
No, no, it definitely is for both.
They wanted to get the UFO conversation on a much higher level.
And the group was actually destroyed.
And they threw Brown out, actually.
Why?
Under what pretext?
They basically made things up that he was utilizing the organization for his own projects.
And what's interesting is Donald Kehoe took over.
But it is pretty interesting when we get into that history and we look at it because Brown, you know, they talk all about it.
It was interesting because Chris Mellon, of course, he of the UFO, CIA UFOOOP, was doing all this hand wringing for Lou Elizondo today.
And he was saying, you know, he came out with a blog saying, well, you know, Lou Elizondo's done so much to bring the UFO thing forward.
I think we should all just give him a big, you know, thumbs up.
And he should get his job back at the Pentagon and all this ridiculous nonsense.
And he's saying, you know, no one had brought anything forward and we didn't know anything until Luke came along.
I want to show you this.
It's funny, actually.
This is Life magazine in 1952.
It's Marilyn on the cover.
And on the corner there, you can see that it says, There's a case for interplanetary saucers.
April 7th, 1952.
What a combo.
And there's no other stories.
It's Marilyn Monroe and interplanetary saucers.
Bingo.
And the article is Flying Saucer is Explained by Men of New Research University.
Here.
Two metal plexiglass discs suspended from central pylons swung through slow circles in a darkened room yesterday as spokesmen for a new university sought to convince newsmen that they've solved the flying saucer mystery.
We've hesitated to divulge our findings, said Mason Rose, president of the University of Social Research, because it read too much like science fiction.
Rose is Brown's partner, scientific partner.
Substance of the alleged discovery, credited to inventor Townsend Brown, is that the saucers operate in a field of electrogravity that acts like a wave with the negative pole at the top and the positive pole at the bottom.
You can travel it like a surfboard.
Quote The saucer travels like a surfboard on the inkling of a wave that is kept continually moving by the saucer's electrogravitational generator, explained.
Bradford Shank, third spokesman for the group, claiming knowledge almost too sensational, too spectacular.
All three men are convinced that flying saucers are real, controlled by an intelligence rather than a pilot.
This is 1952.
It's not a phony 2017 New York Times article.
And capable of speeds up to that of light, 188,000 miles a second.
Their research is new and novel, they insist, and it is distinctly improbable that it has been duplicated anywhere in the world.
Experiments coupling electricity and gravitation that apparently go even beyond Einstein's unified field theory.
Asked about government official study of their findings, Rose said details had been given to some Navy admirals, but as yet there was no censorship.
He talked guardedly about military interest in the work, but declined to mention specific agencies.
He wrote, too, about the early trials and tribulations of Marconi, Edison, and the Wright brothers.
The three men said space travel will be possible within 10 years.
At one point, Shank was asked if he had a degree.
No, he acknowledged.
I'm free of those encumbrances.
That's why I find it so easy to talk in these new terms.
To all dead end questions, there was an answer.
Superior intelligence, thousands of years ahead of ours, would have many answers we don't know about.
For more than four years, Brown has been attempting to predict the ups and downs of the stock market with electronic apparatus he installed in the basement of a building in South Spring Street in Los Angeles.
His equipment, he said, registers small variations.
In cosmic rays which bombard the earth from space.
That last part is so interesting in trying to kind of like undercut the entire story.
But there is Brown demonstrating one of these disks and showing that he basically had figured out how to work it.
And the shape aspect was very kind of key and important to the whole thing.
Here's what's interesting.
They wrote a white paper around it, and they basically gave a detailed chart of exactly why saucers and UFOs move the way that they do and that they hover in these different positions.
Quote This comes directly from that.
Through the utilization of the bifield Brown effect, the flying saucer can generate an electro gravitational field of its own, which modifies the Earth's field.
This field acts like a wave, the negative pole at the top of the wave and the positive pole at the bottom.
Since the saucer always moves towards a positive pole, the control of the saucer is accomplished by varying the orientation of the positive charge.
It's interesting.
So, here in 1952, Brown is coming forward with these partners and saying, I've solved flying saucers.
He also will found NICAP as a result of this.
So, here we have.
Him going from this field of electrographitics, being associated with the Philadelphia experiment, being associated in the hot zone with these experiments as part of the Caroline group, and then showing up in the early 50s as somebody who has solved the flying saucer mystery and opening up this whole kind of cultural aspect, which is we can discover this scientifically and we can understand it and we can kind of welcome this knowledge.
That whole thing gets shut off.
And of course, he gets thrown out of my cap as well.
And his work goes underground again.
For about 20 years.
And then the next time it goes underground, forget it.
That's the last that we hear of his work.
But what is fascinating is this when he does surface, there's always two regular norms involved one is the hot zone, and the other one is the UFO file.
And the work of Brown telling us exactly what's going on in terms of the advanced activity of the UFOs themselves and the action around them, I think we have to go back and backtrack and say, There's something there.
There's some connection there with the UFO file and the hot zone.
And that's what got driven underground.
That's what's been pushed out of the way.
And that's why when we get to a big push around the UFO threat aspect and the way that they're trying to promote these things, they've had now decades and decades from when he discovered this in 52.
It's 2022.
That's 70 some odd years later.
And when you look at it that way, you can say they've been working on this for 70 years with that same level of research.
It's much easier for them now to come back at us and say, hey, there's a UFO threat, and we're the only ones who can defend you from it.
And they can even make the imitation UFOs, they can even make that whole thing seem hostile by creating their own version of it.
So we find ourselves in an unusual situation where I think people have always been satisfied in culture to say, you know, it's okay for us to have this mistrain just to wonder about it.
But now we're at a level where if we don't have those kind of answers, Just like we saw with the COVID emergency stuff, they're going to use it as a kind of a focused fascist lockdown.
So we have to get to the bottom of these things through figures like Thomas Townsend Brown.
Okay, now let's go deeper.
How are you doing out there?
Can I throw just a little question?
Yes, please.
Melissa Club Weirda wanted to know what experiment did T.T. Brown lose his middle finger on?
That's really true.
It's an unusual.
Little piece there, but even his family members don't know.
It's a mystery.
How he lost his middle finger.
Okay.
Yeah.
There's a few weird things also.
That's weird that he didn't even make up a cover story for what it was.
He just let it be a mystery.
Yes.
There's also a lot of interesting exits that they have in relation to Brown.
For example, when he left the Navy officially, it was under the auspices of the idea that he was doing it to avoid a court martial.
And they never said what the court martial was about.
In fact, it seems very obvious looking back at the records and everything else.
It was just something that they needed in order to get him out to work on a different project.
We have to pull him out of the Navy.
So let's create this whole thing about.
A court martial?
Or was he such a member of the X share group that wanted to share electrogravitics, advanced technology, the UFO file with the public, that they had to use something against him and say, look, this is what we'll do if you become anything like a James Forrestal, for example.
So looking at these two tracks in history, I think, is very important because we're dealing a lot with propaganda around the UFO thing right now.
And the fact that we have these offices and that it was linked up with the National Defense Authorization Act is not good news at all in relation to the UFO research field.
It means that the CIA is consolidating on that front and that they're preparing a CIA UFO disclosure that has nothing to do with the real thing at all.
But they're taking that interest that humanity has in the subject and the fact that UFOs were the top Google search in 2018, that's just a couple of years ago.
They want to use that to their own advantage, and they figure, well, you know, that level of interest means this is the perfect time for us to roll this out.
And you notice that they haven't rolled it out as a scientific curiosity, they've rolled it out as war, and they've rolled it out as threat.
You've got to be afraid.
They've had the most ridiculous articles on the UFO side, and they've had characters like Elizondo and like Mellon.
In particular, you know, when we focused in on him on a number of shows, the thing about Elizondo is you have to remember that it's 25 years in CIA and intelligence circles, and it's counterintelligence.
And his work is predominantly in interrogation.
So that's not somebody who would be a natural for, you know, giving the truth out.
I mean, that's a very kind of, I mean, it's a good past for counterintelligence.
It's a really bad past.
For getting the truth.
And so when he's come out and lied consistently for about three years now, and you know.
Well, I mean, like, you know, what do we know that we didn't know three years ago?
Exactly.
Oh, no, he's brought it forward.
You know why?
Because the New York Times, he got an article in the New York Times.
Big deal.
That just means that.
Just open your fat mouth and tell us.
God.
What are you waiting for?
Everybody's waiting.
There's no time anymore.
If you have something to say, say it, right?
Exactly.
I couldn't agree with you.
Well, this is the whole thing too, which is also pulling it along.
And what's weird is that what I found interesting is during the COVID, the real height of the COVID thing, they're going into another one now, whatever.
But in that 2020 rollout, they reorganized all the junk that TTSA had put out in 2017 and re released it to the public like it was all new again, as if to say, We expected that op to really go better.
Maybe if everybody's home now and we get to kind of push the entrainment on them, then we're going to get something totally different kind of response out of it.
But it didn't happen, not yet.
All right, let's kind of crisscross a little bit here in the hot zone with some unusual figures and some great showdowns on the geopolitical side.
When I mentioned this about the hot zone and what's going on there and the great protection of the deeper secrets there relating to.
Clay Shaw Conspiracy00:06:12
Advanced technology in the ancient past.
So, geopolitics.
During the 1960s and the CIA assassinations, oddly enough, a number of the people that were around setting those up had those backgrounds.
For example, God Bannister, who had trained Lee Harvey Oswald as a right wing, someone who would investigate student groups and things like that.
His background was in the FBI, and he had been the person who originated the X Files.
So, really deep level of UFO knowledge there.
And he's the person who we find directly in that spot of handling, as I pointed out in my documentary, he's handling the assassin, the aerospace assassin, the person that they're going to portray, the Patsy.
And then, if you go just a few years later and you're looking at the Kennedy assassination, Robert Kennedy assassination, Thane Eugene Caesar, if you get deep into it, it's much more likely candidate than Sirhan Sirhan, as we know most of the evidence around Sirhan is ridiculous.
But he comes directly out of Skunk Works.
So that's the UFO wing of Lockheed Martin, that's the redevelopment wing.
These deep threads and the deep connections back somehow.
Well, here's another one.
So in 1967, Clay Shaw was charged.
Clay Shaw was a businessman with really heavy duty CIA ties, but the media was very pushing back against this idea.
And Garrison had brought Clay Shaw to trial, saying that he was part of a conspiracy.
And the interesting thing, and I don't even think Garrison knew it at the time, which was that.
The group that had surrendered, the paperclip Nazi group that had surrendered to the Americans that included von Braun, surrendered directly to.
Shaw was directly a party to that surrender.
So they sent him in on very key, specific style missions.
And the CIA would utilize Shaw in a number of different things.
He would set up these trademark organizations, the World Trademark.
And So he would go around the world building this up, and he would be a part of a group called Permindex, which would set up in Europe, and they would get booted out of Italy, things like that, for their fascist activities, and driven off to places like Montreal and South Africa.
Well, Garrison's case against him was basically if I can get this guy, I can expose his chain.
He didn't think that Shah was directly.
The person who organized the conspiracy, but he thought he was a big link in the chain that set it up.
And so he put him on trial.
If you go back into Shaw's history, it was very unusual in that he's a playwright.
And one of the things that I found in relation to his past is, again, this hot zone mystery school overlap with Shaw.
So here's one, and this one has a Hemingway tie to it.
Shaw is the author of several published plays, one of which, the one act Submerged, is still widely played by amateur groups.
The play is about men trapped at the bottom of the sea in a submarine.
His idea was made into a film called Men Without Women, the title taken from a short story by Ernest Hemingway.
If you go back and find this movie by John Ford, the original play by Shaw has a sub off of Cuba, and all of these people vying to keep this secret of this sub.
Now, by the time it gets adopted by Hollywood and John Ford, Gets it, they change the location to Singapore and all the rest.
But here we have Shah before he has anything to do with von Braun or the Kennedy assassination or anything, writing a book about a submerged sub in the hot sauce.
Well, let's go a little bit further into his past.
So, another play that he does is all about a message from Khufu, who built the Great Pyramid.
And it's got a whole write up, it's a tragedy in one act.
And one interior, a heretofore undiscovered tomb in the Valley of the Kings in Egypt.
The only property on stage is a massive sarcophagus.
All right, so very unusual imagery around Shaw in any case.
Just like we have with Guy Bannister and the UFO file, here we have this deep kind of hot zone connection going on with Shaw and ancient Egypt, Egyptian ruins.
Shaw would eventually, of course, be acquitted.
By the jury, because so much of the CIA had worked heavily against Garrison in that case.
Part of the records that are up for being released on the JFK assassination side, that group of records they've always kept secret have to do with George Joannidis, who was a CIA figure who set up the Oswald Project, who no one even knew about.
But the other set of records are the Garrison records, and that has all to do with.
Garrison's exploration of why these guys, like Shaw and all the rest of them, had these direct connections to NASA.
JFK Hemingway Letters00:14:57
That piece is kind of lilting out there in history.
It's just that turn that we're looking at.
And when we go further into these figures, we find that mystery school, psychic, ancient ruins side shows up.
And very often, as we've pointed out, it shows up in the hot zone.
The fact that it's also the same name.
The movie took the same name from Ernest Hemingway's book, Men Without Women.
So, this is a twist that is a winding road and it requires a very deep look because let's think about Hemingway again here for a moment.
Hemingway, at a certain point in the 1930s, is getting obsessed, 30s and early 40s, and He's getting obsessed and he's spending all this time just going over the water off Cuba and the waters off Bimini.
And when people ask him what he's doing, the idea that he's fishing doesn't cut it anymore.
So he says, You know what I'm doing?
I'm looking for German U boats.
So that also didn't really cut it so well.
Here's the interesting thing when he goes out in this boat, he equips the boat in a scientific manner with cameras and all this other stuff, but he doesn't equip it with any guns.
So if he were to encounter an actual German U boat, he would have been blown out of the water.
Hemingway's doing something else, and the results of which he puts into a vault at his villa there in Cuba.
That villa, as we've mentioned on this program, becomes the site of a national security decision based on files that came out of the Kennedy White House.
And the idea that it's a national security incident and they need to do it and that it's going to take place at Hemingway's villa.
Even the top historians of the Kennedy era don't know what the national security incident is.
Meeting was.
They're not sure what the incident was to be.
And it's interesting because what I discovered and what I've put forward is that it has to do with Mary Hemingway getting this legacy of Hemingway's hot zone work out of Cuba.
And in fact, the Kennedy administration did smuggle his works out of Cuba in a shrimp boat, risking an international incident.
Now, they're not going to do that just for poetry books or ideas of novels.
So, the many years spent by Hemingway doing this and then his brother Les founding the state of Atlantis, the nation of Atlantis out there by buying a plot in the Atlantic Ocean is giving us some very interesting clues as to what's happening there.
The other piece that needs to be considered is that this relationship.
Between Kennedy and Hemingway, just as I suggested the relationship between Nixon and Trump, and then it later turned out that the Nixon Library released those records, I suggested it in 2018, and there was no proof on the surface except for one letter.
But I had all these dots to connect that we found a much deeper connection between Nixon and Trump.
And then finally, the Nixon Library said, Yeah, they did.
Here's all their pen pal letters.
It's like 38 letters.
What I've been trying to suggest here on the JFK Hemingway side is that JFK had a relationship with Hemingway early on, and that there's a letter that he wrote to Hemingway that was found among his Harvard possessions.
And they don't know, you know, it seems like a very familiar letter, and they don't know, oh, is this a draft letter that never got sent or whatever it is?
Was there.
There's another letter on file that he sends to him asking him where he got this quote about men standing brave.
And he wanted to check the accuracy of the quote.
Then he invites him to the inauguration.
And Hemingway, because of health reasons, can't come, but he makes all these wonderful statements about Kennedy.
On the record, supposedly, these two gentlemen were supposed to have never met or never spoken, except for these letters that I've mentioned.
And we never have the Hemingway side of the letters.
What I want to suggest is that the Caroline group encompasses the Hemingway, JFK, Brown piece.
I think that they're all involved in the Caroline Group, as a matter of fact.
And all of their activities in relation to intelligence work, of course, Kennedy, very deep on the UFO file, but very deep in his knowledge about Cuba.
And of course, he would conduct one of the most serious operations of all the Cuban Missile Crisis, you know, saving the entire world from a nuclear conflagration over Cuba.
These connections go very deeply.
The fact that when you go to the Kennedy Library and they have the largest amount of records and artifacts and papers of Ernest Hemingway, you know, there's always official explanations for those things.
But that vault that was in Cuba, that the Kennedy administration risked an international incident to get over here.
By the way, the idea is that, hey, you know, they got all those records and things and it's at the Kennedy Library.
Great.
But I don't feel that those are the things that were involved.
I think the vault must have consisted of films of the Hodgson and what was beneath, because in fact, Kennedy had sent Gordon Cooper, one of our astronauts, on a mission to fly over Cuba and look down under the idea that he was looking for nuclear weapons under the water.
But again, that's a good cover story.
What it really is, is he wants that deeper piece of information because he's aware of it.
There's a direct connection with Mary Hemingway going to Kennedy and Kennedy getting Hemingway's legacy out of Cuba.
That's on the record.
That doesn't have anything to do with my own personal speculation about it.
The key is to understand how the Hemingway Casey piece works, with them being close and with Hemingway going to Bimini and forming his life really in Bimini and Cuba, and Casey giving these incredible Bimini readings.
That piece connected with the idea that he's spending all this time there, his brother Lester founds the new Atlantis, and then JFK risks everything to get that information out of Cuba.
That's a big unwritten chapter in history.
And if we can get our hands around it, we'll have not only this ancient history hot zone piece, but we'll have the geopolitics around it, as well as this invisible intelligence piece of the Caroline group.
Let's remember Hemingway created his own intelligence unit when he was there in Cuba.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
We're going deep now in episode X116.
Thomas Townsend Brown, Ernest Hemingway, and Robert Sarbarker.
How does Sarbarker get in there?
Sarbarker's next.
But we're going to be taking your questions in the second half.
How are we doing out there?
Good.
Seventh Synesthesia.
Was Caroline Kennedy named for this group?
Isn't that fascinating?
Wow.
Excellent point.
I'm glad you pointed that out.
You know, we have what the yacht was named from, and the yacht was named from the owners, Eldridge Reeves Johnson's mother, who died when he was young.
So we know where the name came from.
But the idea that he, Kennedy, had named his daughter after the Caroline, that's a really big one.
Another great comment, actually.
The Desolate One says I'm Cuban born.
My late grandmother often said to me that there are people who live underwater and that they fly amazing planes.
She never changed that story.
Isn't that interesting?
Well, you know, this is interesting because when we had Mac Taney's VUFO researcher write this book about crypto terrestrials, and his idea was that there was a group that was not very different from us, that was just a little bit advanced from us technologically, and with basically human in appearance, but not quite human, just a little bit different.
And then we were sort of living side by side with them.
They were a very small group, but more advanced.
And that's a very Small book.
Tawny's died very, yeah, he died shortly after writing that.
And it is a suspicious death because I think he was 34.
And, you know, you can put that in the gallery of strange deaths in relation to the UFO file, Morris Jessup and others.
When we look at this, James McDonald certainly.
But I think it's worth looking at just exactly what we're talking about in relation to that.
And the fact that his hypothesis.
And this is the guy who knew the UFO subject real well.
The fact that he came up with this and then, you know, he snuffed out, that really, I think, is fascinating.
And so it goes along with your story.
Yeah, what do you got?
Tanya, what the flux says my dad saw saucers fly out of the water in the Navy and dive bomb the ships, including his.
There's a lot of stories about that.
Wow.
I'd be interested in the year on that.
Interesting, huh?
It seems like there's a whole Navy story with this, and the USO aspect, it seems like the UFO bases are largely underwater.
In fact, it is probably an easier way to avoid detection, let's face it, if they can navigate it.
So we've seen that connection there with JFK and Hemingway.
Let's take it a step further and go to Thomas Townsend Brown's best friend.
Very interesting physicist.
That's another interesting shot of Brown near the end of his life.
He'd accomplished a great deal, but his work had been suppressed and thwarted at a number of different turns.
And of course, Brown, a few biographical notes.
He was born into a wealthy construction family in Zanesville, Ohio, in 1905.
It's interested in electronics from early childhood.
Right.
He did go to the California Institute of Technology.
And again, you know, we have that Pasadena connection there that we find over and over.
In terms of the ex geography, Pasadena comes up almost more than anything.
But he would have been there, you know, in this period, the Einstein period, and he would have been there during the George Ellery Hale Sun King period, where Ellery Hale is putting up.
You know, these temple pieces to Akhenaten trying to figure out how to get the Sun King back.
I mean, it's a very deep story when we look at it from there.
Okay, Sarbaker.
Sarbaker is interesting because, as I've noted on this program before, he's been snuffed out of history.
If you go to see on Wikipedia, if there's a page for Sarbaker, there still is not a page for Sarbaker.
And there's a certain point where the heights of his scientific achievements would be celebrated.
All over the world, and he was in the media, and he was basically on the level of like an Oppenheimer.
But a weird thing happened to him, which is on a couple of different occasions, he let the word out about the UFO file and how it worked.
And one of the things that he said was certainly we have the technology and the crash saucers and all the rest of it.
And we definitely have studied them.
We study the bodies that are inside, and they really seem insectoid.
We think that they were built to be insect like to absorb the shock of the atmosphere.
Sarbacher is, you know, has this deep, close family relationship with Brown.
He's basically a part of the family, as they've told me.
And he would go on the record originally with Wilbert Smith, who's a Canadian researcher and also a member of the government there who believed in UFOs, and in the 1950s would come back and talk to him.
So there's a few notes from an interview that he gave in later years.
Stanton Friedman would talk to him in the 80s, and a researcher named William Steinman.
He let it out again.
He said, Yeah, we had that stuff.
Here's how the UFO file worked.
And here's the person who controlled it was Vannevar Bush.
And he handed off that control to Compton.
And he goes down the line on that.
So it's very matter of fact about it.
And there is a very unusual story with him that Wendell Stevens tells about him getting the door handle on his car, and there's something that's like jelly on it.
And he can't get it off his fingers.
And he calls his son like an hour later and says, I'm in the hospital.
And I, you know, I have this weird stuff on my car.
And, you know, now I'm experiencing all these symptoms and he dies.
So, you know, Stevens definitely, with his expertise, thought that Sarbacher had been taken out because loose lips sink UFO ships.
CERN Operation Secrets00:12:46
Okay.
But this is Wilbur Smith talking to him.
I'm doing some work on the collapse of the Earth's magnetic fields as a source of energy, and I think our work may have a bearing on flying saucers.
And then Sarbacher says, What do you want to know?
Smith says, I have read Scully's book on the saucers, and I'd like to know how much of it's true.
Frank Scully's book about the saucer cratch is very legendary, and they've always tried to throw this hoax thing over it, but it's a real breakthrough.
Written about 1952, I'd say.
Sarbacher.
The facts reported in the book are substantially correct.
Smith, then the saucers exist?
Saarbarker, yes, they exist.
Do they operate as Scully suggests on magnetic principle?
Saarbarker, we've not been able to duplicate their performance.
Smith, so they come from some other planet?
Saarbarker, all we know is that we didn't make them, and it's pretty certain they didn't originate here.
Saarbarker, and I will spell the name out here S A R B A C H E R, it's a physicist and an engineer.
One of Einstein's students, just like Brown, Dr. Byfield.
Again, Einstein looping through all of the UFO researchers.
Research and development of the Department of Defense.
Smith, I understand the whole subject of saucers is classified.
Saarbacher, yes, it's classified two points higher than the H bomb.
In fact, it is the most highly classified subject in the US government at the present time.
52.
Think about it now.
More from that conversation.
May I ask the reasons for this classification?
You may ask, but I can't tell you.
That's the first time where he doesn't really give me a response.
Smith, is there any way in which I can get some information, particularly as it might fit in with our own work?
Sarbarker, I suppose you could be cleared through your own defense department in Canada, and I'm pretty sure arrangements could be made to exchange information.
If you have anything to contribute, we'd be glad to talk it over, but I can't give you any more at the present time.
One thing that's interesting, and that Paul Hillier, who's the former defense secretary of Canada, has passed away now, but he came on this program and he.
Said that the governments in Canada and the governments in America, that their militaries actually had agreements that the leaders didn't know about when it came to UFOs.
So, there's some kind of exchange agreement going on there with the aerospace X Protect style groups where they just interact, and like, you know, the Prime Minister of Canada or the President of the United States don't have to have anything to do with it at all.
And that's probably good considering what a psycho Trudeau and Stepford Biden are.
But it's interesting to me that those types of agreements are in place.
And I think we're seeing a suggestion of it there.
So another quote that Sarbacher gave in the 80s this is in relation to the beings they found inside the crashes.
Okay.
Quote Sarbacher There were reports that instruments or people operating these machines were also very lightweight, sufficient to withstand the tremendous.
Deceleration and acceleration associated with their machinery.
I remember in talking with some of the people at the office that I got the impression these aliens were constructed like certain insects we have observed on Earth, wherein, because of the low mass, the inertial forces involved in operating these instruments would be quite low.
I still do not know why the high order of classification has been given and why the denial of the existence of these devices.
Whenever he talks about The aliens inside the craft, he refers to them as instruments.
So that might give us a key in terms of how these deep government groups view the humanoids operating the craft, that they're instruments, basically.
But Sarbacher, having put these things on the record and with his close association with Brown, and then there is this story that I got from my conversations.
With Linda Brown about her seeing these craft land in their backyard and her seeing her dad go out to meet with the occupants of the craft, and that they gave him something that was kind of like an iPhone.
And it was definitely a communication device of some kind.
And that at the end of his life, this national security state, the X Protect groups, were so desperate to get their hands on this thing, it was like, You know, their whole goal was to follow them around and get their hands on this.
And they played quite a game of cat and mouse with him.
And when he would get involved in secret projects before, as I mentioned, sometimes he'd whisk the whole family off with bodyguards to NASA.
Something about the Hot Zone seems to be just like for X Protect, it seems like the X Share people have a kind of a place where they can go.
And it's a kind of a safety compound for them.
But that was certainly true for Brown.
And what's interesting about all this is that the person who was giving Brown such a hard time at the end of his life trying to get his hands on this device and who Brown had warned his daughter off from is the same Hal Puthoff, who's worked for four decades for the CIA and now is in the middle of this push for the UFO, the CIA UFO disclosure, Elizondo, and that whole claptrap group.
So that tells us a great deal, I believe.
And I think that we should be in the X share mindset of T.T. Brown in dealing with those people that just stay away from them, basically, or expose them.
One of the two.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show, deep here in X Series 116, Into the Hot Zone, Thomas Townsend, Brown, Hemingway, and also Robert Saarbacher, the forgotten physicist, and forgotten because he said too much.
We're going to be taking your questions in a moment here.
And how is that looking?
Good.
Kontiki Man said, can you point out that everybody tends to read over the fact that they were working on collapsing the magnetosphere in the late 40s?
What advanced tech was that?
Is that something we're going to cover in part two?
Well, that's interesting, you know, because I think that gets into a lot of what came up with CERN and with HARP.
And I think that we see by the time you get to CERN, because remember the particle accelerator part in relation to CERN, the Varian brothers.
We were selling portable versions that you could buy in the 1930s.
So, these things, you know, this technology has been around a long time.
The effect of CERN on the magnetosphere and that whole interaction seems to me the culmination of that kind of research that you mentioned there.
And I think one thing we have to remember about CERN is it's two different things because CERN's the nuclear agency.
That sovereign entity, but inside of CERN is the large Alice accelerator, which they named after Alice in Wonderland.
And then going further, CERN itself, the $20 billion project now is getting revamped up for 2022.
And that's the Hadron Collider.
That is a part of the CERN operation.
So it's very, very deep stuff.
Yeah.
What else you got?
Jonathan Kiner says, What are their intentions with Stern?
Something demonic?
Yeah, I think that they have a level of interaction with it that comes directly out of.
We tracked back a group called the Orphic Circle.
And the Orphic Circle in the 19th century in Britain, they would contact astral entities to get information on state secrets, the nature of life, the nature of humanity.
And so on, but there was a great advantage involved.
And one of the psychics that they used as a child at 12 years old was Emma Britton, who founded, would end up founding Theosophy with Helena Blavatsky before they sort of turned against each other.
But groups that were already studying on that deep metaphysical side, by the time they get the technology, and by the time you go into the 1940s and the 1950s with the Macy conferences, They've taken that seance thing and they've technologized it.
So, you're going into not just, you know, you might remember it's actually not a good sequel, but in The Exorcist 2, they do something where they, instead of her just going into a seance or whatever, they put a machine on her to get her into this state.
And that's what I think happens with CERN.
It's the technology version of these people who are deeply associated on the occult side.
With the mystery schools in the 19th century, they get a big jump up by the time we get to the Macy conferences.
And when you think about the Macy conferences, what they're concerned with developing are cybernetics.
So they're interested in developing cyborgs, half human, half machine.
So CERN has this quality that they're trying to connect up with these astral entities, and they think that those entities are going to give them the keys to the universe, basically.
But they've been studying that for a long time.
I consider CERN on the surface a scientific endeavor, and I consider its underpurpose as definitely left hand school occult technological transhumanism, which is now we're seeing on a grand scale.
For me to say that is not even such a fantastic thought, right?
We're in such a weird world with this.
But that is a fascinating question.
CERN and the reboot of CERN is something that we're going to be covering because.
Where they're going with it.
See, originally when they had that $6 billion budget, we were talking about with Catherine Fitz and Joseph Farrell how that was a military budget in terms of the type of outlay.
It's not a typical scientific budget.
Now that it's $20 billion, forget it.
It's definitely a military machine.
And we've been finding out that places like Japan want to have their own Hadron Collider now.
So there's all sorts of strange things about developing.
Mini black holes with it as well.
So there's a lot of hazards associated with it that apparently nobody knows anything about.
So CERN is a very mysterious project considering the type of civilization we have and the type of secrecy they've been able to maintain.
All right.
I'll do one quick piece on Tesla and then we're going to jump into your question.
Sound good?
And what are we doing for time?
All right.
We're perfect.
So a couple of quick things since I mentioned it.
Oh, I know what I forgot.
I forgot this first.
Do you remember?
So I want to go back to the Stansbury guy who developed the machine, the perpetual motion machine based on the Casey readings and was backed by this Wall Street, Morton Blumenthal, and then all of his research disappeared and all the rest.
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This figure that came to him, now he was exploded in World War I, France, and he had a near death experience.
And this figure that came to him in this dream.
Or in that state, is this very unusual figure?
And he ended up being on the Governor Clinton of New York, and he ended up being on the $1,000 bill.
That's a shot of him there on the $1,000 bill.
And he created the Erie Canal, and he was a A member of the commission.
He ran for president twice.
He almost won against Andrew Johnson, but he lost.
And this is the figure who came to Stansbury with the perpetual motion thing on the other side, as it were.
But let's find out a couple of strange little things about him, because I didn't want to leave that dangling out there in space.
Clinton was a York Rite Freemason.
He was initiated in the Holland Lodge, number 16, of New York.
In 1790.
In 1806, he was elected Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of New York.
Clinton was essential in establishing the Grand Encampment of Knights Templar in the United States, no small feat, and served as its first, second, and third Grand Master from 1818 and 1828.
So, real move from the shaker on the Mason side.
He remained with that title until his death.
In 1826, the William Morgan Affair occurred in Batavia.
Morgan, who threatened to publish an expose of the rituals of Freemasonry, disappeared and was apparently kidnapped and supposedly murdered by Masons.
Clinton issued three proclamations, each increasing the reward for information and conviction of the perpetrators until it reached $2,000.
Clinton's proclamations had no effect, and the Masonic fraternity underwent a period of severe decline in the United States because of the criticism set off by the scandal.
The Grand Lodge of New York has established the DeWitt Clinton Award.
Which recognizes distinguished or outstanding community services by non Masonic organizations.
And then he develops this whole Erie Canal thing, and it's a major undertaking.
And he works with some Native groups to do it.
It's hard to say exactly what's going on here, but the fact that he is so advanced on the Freemason side.
I've heard this before in relation to mystery school figures that they reach a certain level where they can still communicate with the groups and the groups can still use them as a library resource when they've passed into the great beyond.
Say of that what you will, but Stansbury in World War I has this vision of our friend Clinton there.
But Clinton was around in like 1820, so this is 100 years later.
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So there's no real explanation for it, but it is a great anomaly just hanging out there.
That this is the person who gives him the basic ingredients to make the machine.
And the perpetual motion motor and all of its components disappear into history, although there is a patent for it.
It doesn't have the complete layout, but it's there, it's on record, and it comes directly out of those 16 Edgar Casey readings.
And with that, Miss Olivia, your help.
All right, you can't mention CERN without people going crazy.
Okay, so Najat Madri wants to know who owns CERN?
Well, it's a sovereign entity.
This is the interesting thing.
So it doesn't have, there was a scientific court case that was brought, and the scientists were in Hawaii actually.
They brought the case in Hawaii, and the judge gave them the bad news that CERN, like the Vatican, is sovereign, so you can't sue it because it's a sovereign entity.
So it's not like you can sue it like you could a corporation or something.
Of that nature.
So there's a great deal of mystery about the status of this scientific project, after all.
One of the people who was key in setting up CERN was a real mover and a shaker who was the president of Chase Manhattan.
And he was also on the Warren Commission.
So, this guy, what do you got?
Flash Gordon says Vanguard owns CERN.
Vanguard.
That's something to follow up on.
Yeah, they probably have a good controlling environment.
Because Flat Rock and Vanguard own everything, right?
Yeah, but there is.
I remember that with CERN, the scientific interlocking of four different groups.
So it was like this floating thing that nobody, that's the whole point that you can't actually get to the point of who owns it because of it being a sovereign entity.
So I think there's a great deal more about CERN to be discovered.
One of the pieces that I thought was fascinating was that they're the largest user up until 2019 of the internet.
The idea was they're sending packets of information around about their experiments, but maybe something else is going on there.
The fact that when it's on, there's a measurable difference in the magnetosphere, I think, is dramatic.
So, those are good questions.
Yes.
So, Tommy Connolly says CERN is a cult.
That is actually a useful way to think of them, a very high tech.
Well, think of the CERN Tarot.
And then go back to the Orphic Circle groups and then think of that progression.
And then, you know, we have to kind of open our minds a little bit on this, which is do those groups have the ability to contact entities the way that Crowley contacted Lamb or Iwas, and for those entities to give them instruction?
The same way on the Great White Brotherhood side that someone like Steiner could open up and receive instruction from the Rosicrucian masters, for example, and St. Germain and people of this nature.
So, once you get into that level of acceptance, then all of these things look a lot different because, you know, we can say on the surface, you know, they're doing such and such an experiment and they have just on a physical level this obsession with transhumanism and they're trying to make a scientific super model.
But when you go deeper, when you start to look at the astral side of it, if you include the understanding of the mystery schools, that we actually have different bodies.
That there's an etheric body associated with the physical body, then the whole thing opens up.
Then it's a much larger question.
I think you get a lot closer when we look at things from that angle.
Just like when we look at things relating to the UFO file, you get a lot closer when you think of it in terms of the X technology than just aliens.
Think of the effect of the technology, think of the hypotheum and the idea that you have a kind of physics that distorts.
The nature of reality, then once you get to that level, you see it could be used for a number of different things than what you just in scientific endeavor would be looking for.
So, torsion physics, for example, when you get into that level, it makes things like the atomic bomb look like what?
Look like a firecracker because of the level that it's operating on.
So, when you get into the X technology, then you can start to include things around it like the UFO file, because the X technology is in the UFO file.
So, we don't have to just think, oh, there are aliens here.
They're coming in.
They have advanced technology.
Their ship crashes.
We redevelop their technology.
We get advanced too.
That's pretty.
That's kind of science.
It's not definitive.
You know, there's a much more.
Powerful piece, I think, if we look at it and say, we on a spiritual level developed incredible abilities in the Atlantean period.
So we have a history, a knowledge, and an understanding of that ourselves.
And then, you know, these other things that happened in that period of time created this incredible distortion.
And that's where the ex degenography came from back in the destruction of Atlantis.
And then when you get into things like UFOs, you have some basis of understanding what's going on because they create the same effect.
Somehow, when they're around, what are those effects?
Well, people can do things that you can't do in normal everyday physical reality.
You can walk through walls, but weird things happen with them too.
When they land, plants won't grow there ever again, right?
So the whole thing distorts the entire level of physical reality.
Whatever it is and wherever it's coming from, because it's a foreign entity when it comes in, it has this effect of distorting the nature of the reality.
Yes.
Could you mention the name of the cards and the artist of those cards again, please?
Well, the CERN Tarot cards, we did a whole episode on it.
If you look, there's a Halloween episode from two years ago we did with Gigi Young on the cards, which gives all the information about the artist.
And it's Suzanne Treister, right?
Yes, that's her.
She's very interesting.
And there's a lot in her books, there are all these.
UFO pieces and some of the CERN tarot cards have UFOs in them, but the level of knowledge she demonstrates in her books is phenomenal.
So, as an artist, that's one thing, but her level of understanding how the deep state history works inside the advanced technology piece and how the occult piece works I mean, she has Gurdjieff in one of those, you know.
So, this is somebody who understands a great deal mystery knowledge, yes.
Just to wrap up, starting for a minute.
Kate Schneider said, so why was Tom Hanks, of all people, asked to turn on CERN?
And Scarlet Fire reminds us that Hanks was also the poster boy for the first case of CB.
Oh, no question.
You know, that's a really important question how Hanks is involved with CERN.
And here's the other thing.
Well, I think that they're going to run him for president at some point.
I think that was part of the Mr. Rogers thing.
Oh, God, you're right.
They've done weird things, really strange things with Hanks.
And they made him like, you know, he was the first celeb with COVID and all that nonsense.
And there's weird things where he became a Greek citizen.
We all remember that strangeness.
So there's so many odd things that they're doing with Hanks that they aren't doing with other people that I feel like he's part of an operation.
That they're thinking, you know, Ronald Reagan was an actor and we made him president.
Let's see what we can do.
But there is a connection there.
I believe someone's going to have to find this for me, but I believe it's Sally Field's brother.
And he is one of the first people who was involved with CERN.
There was another thing with CERN and Sally Field, which is pretty interesting.
Isn't Sally Field one of the Mandela effect things?
Because she actually.
Oh, Sally Fields or Sally Fields?
Maybe.
Oh, no, that's one.
That's a good one.
No, but it's that you like me, you really like me, but it's actually a little bit different.
I think we're going to have to look into that.
But if somebody gets that about her brother, let me know.
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Okay, what else you got?
David Tormina wanted to know what is Stansbury's first name?
How do you actually spell his last name, also?
Let's make sure we get that right.
Oh, there's a whole thing about Stansbury.
And actually, yeah, I might have to.
The details on Stansbury, it's funny because there's that whole piece about Stansbury and Hastings, Mitchell Hastings.
Keep moving on that one, and then I'll get the name because it's right here.
Has anyone done a FOIA request related to the JFK Hemingway data file Cuban effort?
It's a good question.
Yeah, that's really good.
Here's an interesting piece about that.
I think the name is Marion Stansberry, by the way.
But I think the whole piece around what came out was a classified file until 2014.
And the people who were at the meeting were Edward Lansdale, Robert Kennedy, the head of the CIA, who I believe was Dulles at that time.
And JFK, so it's JFK, RFK, Lansdale, and the head of the CIA.
They get together and they're talking about doing this operation inside of Hemingway's villa and if they should do it and the high stakes that are involved.
Now, that document came out and then it was run around to people like Arthur Schlesinger and others who were big Kennedy historians.
And they said, What do you think the operation was?
And he said, I have no idea.
It certainly was not an assassination.
So, what else could it have been?
So, whatever it was, whatever they were discussing was going to take place there.
I came to the conclusion that they understood that Hemingway's entire footage that he'd been taking for 20 years over the hot zone, the whole reason he was down there and doing that, beyond the things that he liked to do and write novels and fish, he was doing something else there.
And that all of the footage that he had in relation to that was in that vault.
And that this is what they were considering doing going in there and storming it, grabbing the information.
And somehow they figured out a different way to smuggle it out.
Who knows?
For all we know, they bribed Castro to get it.
But whatever it was, they ended up getting it back here, interestingly enough.
But yes, is there a way to get more information?
Well, I'll tell you, even the Kennedy Library is a little bit tricky.
Do you realize there are certain letters in the Kennedy Library?
That haven't seen the light of day.
There are other letters which you can look at, but you can't make any copies of.
So there's even there, there's a big lock around a lot of that information.
So it's not as easy to get our hands on it.
Although I think those types of searches might reveal something.
Yes.
Debbie McAdoo, Maxwell tried to usurp Les Henway's move for a land rising nation with her Terramar.
Who killed Maxwell's father?
Is it related?
Fantastic.
You know, I'm going to let it out now that I'm working on an episode about Ghislaine.
It's part two on the Ghislaine front.
We did Ghislaine in the Hot Zone, and it was episode 100.
And there's a reason that episode is so important because it has the setup for what they were doing there in relation to Terramar and the obsession that Epstein had in relation to Atlantis.
If you don't understand the Hot Zone and the geopolitics of the Hot Zone, then really Epstein just becomes.
A kinky blackmailer from Mossad or whatever, you know.
And that's one, I mean, people have done in the alternative field, they've done such a better job around exposing things about Epstein, so much better than the mainstream media.
And some of them have done it really well.
And, you know, but I will say this that the level at which this operation goes with the scientific involvement with Epstein and Maxwell taking.
These scientists aboard the Atlantis submarine as part of this operation.
There's a big piece of this that's not well understood.
And you have to understand the hot zone aspect and the hidden technology aspect in relation to the ancient ruins that Paulina Zolitsky found off the western tip of Cuba, which relates directly to this Thomas Townsend Brown story.
Because remember, at the end of his life, Linda Brown relates, you know, we thought every year that he was going off to San Antonio, Texas.
Because he would always say, Okay, I'm going away to San Antonio and disappear for a month at Sarbach or whoever to do scientific experiments.
They found out every month he was going to San Antonio, Cuba, the western tip there.
And right off that western tip of Cuba is where Zelitsky found those ruins.
So there's a connection there.
And that's all transpiring in the hot zone.
If you get into the Maxwell piece, you're going to find yourself right in the middle of those hot zone.
Geopolitics and really the cult side of it.
Because you have to understand the Belial Atlantis cult, you know, that these people think that they can access the kind of Superman history through the ancient ruins.
This is an important piece.
And that's definitely going on, in my opinion, in Maxwell's case.
The question is are they?
Have they?
Have they achieved it?
Yes.
I think that they are in contact.
For sure.
Yeah, I definitely think so.
I also think that, you know, this story that came up about the new juror in Ghislaine Maxwell's trial, this is kind of interesting.
One of the jurors supposedly said that, oh, I had my own sort of sexual history.
And that because she said that, they're asking for a new trial or a mistrial.
So Bloomberg reports the juror in Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial, whose press comments may result in a new trial, Works as an executive assistant at the private equity giant Carlisle Group.
Um, Ghislaine Maxwell, juror, could upend conviction.
Right?
This is interesting to me because, um, didn't it go down weird?
The trial went very fast, first of all.
The press avoided it a lot, except to give it like a spin, and they constantly called her a socialite, which I think is interesting.
Instead of dangerous, right?
One of the things we reported in Ghislaine in the Hot Zone is that the name that she was using, the pseudonym that she was using, are related to a woman whose actual name was Janet Atlantis.
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And so she comes up to New Hampshire here and she gets a house and she's using this Janet Atlantis alias.
I mean, this is deep stuff.
Here's a couple of things about the Carlisle group.
Of course, deep state actors.
Very close with Bush 1.
Here's a weird thing about the Carlisle Group.
Do you know who bought the Kennedy Library?
It was the Carlisle Group for $50 million.
Now, here's another weird story about the Kennedy Library.
During the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013, all those bombs that were going off and all these different things that were happening, there was a big explosion at the Kennedy Library.
And everyone thought at the time that it was all connected.
Eventually, they scrubbed that entirely.
But I remember still a woman, the director of the place, coming out.
And there was a huge shakeup there with the directors.
And she's coming out, and the news people are asking her, What's going on here?
And she's like, Nothing.
It was just a little fire.
And she goes to run away.
And the guy points, and there's this huge black cloud of smoke coming out of the place.
So.
Something weird was going on there, and I happen to believe it has to do with the tapes that are maintained by the Kennedy Library that are tapes that were made in 1964 by Jackie and RFK that are meant to be released on the death of their children andor 75 years after they were created.
And what happened was Carolyn Kennedy made a deal.
With ABC to release the tapes early if they would abandon this idea of doing this Kennedy family sort of miniseries that they were doing that was really a hit job on the Kennedys.
And this all worked out and it got leaked by the woman who was transcribing the tapes that Jackie said that LBJ was involved in the assassination of her husband.
And also, beyond that, there were a number of things that were really loaded.
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In the transcript, and it came out in two English newspapers about this.
That story got shut down immediately, and then this very dry, droll thing got released about Jackie talking about her life after the White House or something, which is just something of importance to historians.
But the actual tapes themselves, except for those previews, never got released either.
So that's a whole thing that's just sitting out there in space that we just don't know a whole great deal about, unfortunately.
Yes.
Hang on.
I actually really want to ask this question.
Kathy B. Did the Portuguese Spanish sea explorers of the 1400s really look for Atlantis and not the New World when they settled in the West Indies?
Interesting.
Wow, absolutely.
There's so many interesting stories around that period and what they discovered when they got there.
I definitely think that the Fountain of Youth piece is interesting when we get into that because.
There's the whole story about the healing well that Hemingway, Les Hemingway, found on Bimini.
And he's seen in this In Search of episode from like 1978, in there saying that it cures all these people of arthritis and all the rest of it.
The trail to that well is gone, by the way.
So maybe somebody still knows how to get there.
But interestingly enough, Hilary Hemingway, who is Les's daughter, is very involved in the Casey Foundation.
And she sounds like a very interesting lady.
Here's what's really interesting about her she wrote not one, but two novels.
And what were they about?
Alien abduction.
And I have them both, and they're very interesting, including the way that they use some of the names of the islands for different characters down there.
For example, Andros is one of the main characters.
And Andros Island is where Autech operates, and Autech is basically the underwater Area 51.
So we're talking about a major operation down there in the Hod Zone.
And probably much more important than it's been given credit for.
What's weird is that there are strange stories, the whole thing about the Clintons in Haiti and all that.
I mean, everywhere you go in that part of the world, something strange is happening.
For example, right now, Haiti is largely run by armed gangs.
And I have direct sources that I talk to about this.
You know, they kidnap people out of their cars, and it's really basically an armed state.
But what I found out is that Bill Clinton owns the better part of West Haiti.
So, real estate wise.
Since when?
Well, I'm still doing more research on it, but I have from people who are there that know that Clinton owns a great deal of property in Haiti.
So, I think, as Catherine always says, things just get weirder.
Well, let's think of it.
Let's get a real straight ahead example.
What is it that Casey said would happen down there in the hot zone?
He said land was rising.
And when the land would rise, that it would be in international waters and there would be no way for anyone to claim it as anything.
So John Lennon bought lots in the Atlantic Ocean thinking this is where it's going to rise.
And when it rises, I'm going to grab it.
Well, Les Hemingway had the same idea.
And he bought it, his lots near Jamaica, which is a little further out.
But that's all the same.
It's all the same story.
It's all the same thing.
And in Les Hemingway's case, he actually had all this kind of paraphernalia around it, New Atlantis.
And at a certain point when he was claiming the country, the government said to him, if you keep that up, you're going to get into trouble with what you're doing.
But This whole piece about land rising is not well understood.
And scientifically, there are, you know, this does happen.
And if you go around, there are these stories of these islands coming up very suddenly.
In Casey's story about this, he said the land had been rising gradually for a long time, but that now it's really coming up to the surface.
So we're going to have a chance to see this again.
That's when he said, you know, it's rising.
And then 68 or 69, you'll see the first piece of those temples right off of Bimini.
And that's when they found the Bimini wall.
So, is that really the big piece about what's happening there?
Is that land that's rising going to be kind of the new Atlantis, the new America, as it were?
There's something in relation to the area, which, you know, the ancient ruins are involved for sure.
The magnetic anomalies are involved for sure.
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The UFO files are involved for sure.
But what's the whole picture?
That's what we're trying to get to in relation to the hot zone.
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Yes, Miss Olivia.
Jill Brooks Spirit says, saw a video today claiming that the paintings in the Meta ad were by an artist affiliated with Rudolf Steiner.
Interesting.
I heard that.
Huh.
No, but I wouldn't be surprised because Steiner had a huge impact on art.
And he actually suggested to a number, well, there's a whole thing about the art out of anthroposophy.
And it's very unusual art if you've ever seen it through like a Waldorf school or anything like that.
It's very strange.
It almost completely, you know, you kind of go into an altered state just looking at it.
But the art aspect, I think, is huge in anthroposophy.
So that's pretty interesting, though.
I'll check that out.
Yes.
Right before dinosaur.
NASA recently employed religious leaders from various faiths purportedly to gauge how people would react to news of aliens.
I just did an episode on it.
It was the last episode.
I think it's called NASA Religions.
Yeah, this is really interesting.
And I'll tell you, one of the things I cited in that episode was that they instantly tried to knock the story down immediately.
They were like, no, they didn't.
This is their new thing.
Something happens.
Okay.
We all see it and we all know that it comes down.
And the New York Times or AP comes out and just says, no, they did not.
That did not happen.
It's so weird.
Like, I'm going to just accept it because you say no.
And they're newspapers.
So they have to have some kind of journalistic backup, right?
And they don't.
And in that particular case, it was really funny because AP said, no, what they did was they contracted them.
They didn't work for NASA.
They were contracted.
It's like, NASA contracted them to do what?
To find out how the population would respond to aliens.
Look, that's not even that surprising.
They've been doing that survey since 1947, right?
So, what were they afraid of with the story that it got out of their hands because some author actually had the behind the scenes details on the meetings and he knew who had been set up for it?
So, they're gearing up for this thing and they definitely have a religious aspect involved in it.
This is where I think the work of Gigi Young on this is coming more into its own.
Gigi is still underrated in terms of the kind of impact from the things that she sees coming.
And I don't think that she's been given the kind of.
She really has been ahead of a lot of things.
She's been ahead of the curve on a lot.
And she's helped us a lot here with the X series.
And so I always recommend her work.
But one thing I want to say that she's after right now, that she really has it going on, is the whole thing about the human origin story, because that should be getting really wide dissemination.
I see people picking it up everywhere.
And this is a Gigi Young.
Special because she was talking about this stuff and putting the Mars stuff front and center about what they're doing.
So, you know, just highly recommend her.
And she's ahead of the curve, sometimes so ahead of the curve that she's talking about the thing maybe two years out and then hits and everyone just runs around with that whole thing and they don't connect it up to the work.
But it's really edgy stuff that she'll put out.
And it's she has that kind of ability.
I mean, yes, she's a seer, but I mean, even beyond that, just through analysis.
She has that ability to really pick up on the trends that they're driving humanity with.
So I highly recommend that.
The human origins thing, I try to address it because of the fact that Gigi was bringing this up a lot.
And it was right on everywhere I turned on the UFO threat side.
They were doing it.
The whole thing was remember that whole period where they had almost like Saint Lou?
And he was like, What is my consciousness?
You know, they were doing everything with Lou at a certain point.
And I saw this horrible thing where he was on an English podcast.
And they were just thanking him.
They were like, You're the greatest man who ever walked the face there.
And he was like, No, I think of myself as, you know, like if I was a daddy of disclosure and you're the mama and we're creating the baby as disclosure.
I was like, This is disgusting.
So, what was the show that we were listening to where I became aware of the technique that was being employed?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a good one.
Who was that character that we were listening to?
You sent me that one.
I'll have to think about it.
So, I think what's really important is that we.
Oh, you know who it was?
It was Jim Semivan.
And this is very interesting.
I actually have the ability to play that.
I don't have it right now, but the next show that we do, I'll play this clip.
This is a fascinating clip because it's Semivan and Tom DeLong.
And Semivan, remember, is one of the top CIA people.
And he launched TTSA, truth be told.
And Semivan didn't exist on paper until 2015.
That's how secret this guy's work was.
And his big claim as a CIA honcho is that he's had an alien experience.
And so that he knows, you know.
So he can go into this thing and say, I'm a CIA guy, but I also had a CIA experience.
And I'm just going to let it out here that I hear that Lou says that his wife is an experiencer and that this is a whole thing that he's leaking behind the scenes.
That since his wife has all this alien stuff, that's how he got into it.
So I expect more BS from the likes of Elizondo.
But this thing about Semivan was interesting because the guy surprised them both, Semivan and DeLong, by saying, People think that what you're doing is an alien psyop.
People, the Dark Journalist Show.
And he flipped out and he was like, I resent that.
And he said, First of all, if it was a psyop, it would be illegal and the CIA doesn't do illegal things or whatever.
So it was beyond ridiculous.
And then he mentions Ramparts Magazine.
And I have to tell you, aside from this show and maybe like, you know, Some stuff from the 70s or 1980s, you'll never find ramparts mentioned just because.
Right, Nate Russell.
Yeah.
So, those guys, I think those guys know the UFO threat mongers, the CIA aspect of this.
They know through the work of Greenwald, this show, and others that they have a problem.
They're on the spot when it comes to this because if you press a little bit for the truth, it starts to go.
And so, his denial was all the thing that you were mentioning, the technique was all just that kind of thing.
It was bulldozing.
It was like, well, that doesn't matter because.
I resent that because I had my own, you know, I'm an alien experiencer myself.
Well, look, there's a lot of alien experiencers out there, and I've met a lot of them and I believe them.
But if someone from the CIA comes to me and says, there's a UFO threat and I'm an alien experiencer, my general disposition is going to be that I don't believe you because you're a CIA person and CIA people are trained to lie.
And so that's a big piece of the problem I have with Elizondo as well, and that they lie so easily.
So, I think that that aspect of the UFO CIA circus disclosure thing is some of the most dangerous.
And that's why I think the people in the field should stand up and kick that stuff out because I think it is very dangerous.
And at this point, right now, like the big danger is the pharma takeover.
Just wait till they get to the op, the UFO threat op.
That's the one.
So, I would think that those people and what they're trying to do is dangerous.
I think that they're dangerous people.
And I think in the roles that they've had, It probably suited them to be dangerous liars because that's the nature of the agency, the extra constitutional agency that's been set up.
But I don't want those people involved in revealing UFO or humanity's origins or anything like that.
It's like asking a serial killer to sing to your baby.
Right.
It's not just lying, though.
There are techniques.
I mean, it's like propaganda techniques.
How do they do it?
Because they take over the interview, they don't let the interviewer.
Control the interview.
They control it.
Yeah, you know what's interesting?
And they have different techniques for doing that.
And if you take a step back and don't react to what they're saying, but just observe the techniques, then you can really see through it all.
Like Lou is a flatterer in chief, right?
All he does is kiss ass.
So whether it is you are the most righteous, you are this, oh, I'm so, you know, he's a master at it.
And I hate to say it, but the men who interview him lap it up.
Yeah.
They love it.
And it's, you know, it's pretty.
Gross.
So, yeah, yeah.
Oh, boy.
That's a really good point.
Semi ban was totally different.
So, in a therapeutic setting, what a therapist does is validate the client, the patient, right?
Very calm, you know, whatever you're feeling is valid, right?
Semi ban is the exact opposite.
I like your term bulldozing.
So, he puts the interviewer in an incredibly weak defensive position by coming on so strong.
And then, so once he makes his point, he asserts control.
He, the conversation then divides, and he says, But I'll tell you what we are in agreement about.
And then, woo, the guy gets to come back.
He gets to redeem himself.
I'll tell you what's weird about this, too, is the guy who was interviewing him, I can't think of his name right now, but he's in favor of those guys.
I mean, he's actually like, you know, he was on their side.
But just the fact that he raised this one thing that, you know, well, people have mentioned that you might be a psyop, like, forget it, you know?
So this guy, he went, Semivan went, He lost his cool on that.
That's always very telling.
And I'll tell you, DeLon was sitting there like kind of a deer in the headlights, you know, really just looking like he was in rehab.
I mean, it was not, these are not the kind of people that you want giving you this type of information.
I don't think so.
Because the nature of the thing, you know, is an operation.
And that's what those people know how to do.
And look, you know, one of the points that he was making was that, oh, look, the CIA may have had some problems in the past.
You have problems.
But now there's so many lawyers around when I make a decision that I have to do everything by the law.
I don't believe that for a minute.
So that's just the nature of that discussion.
What I don't like is when you get around the UFO field and everybody is playing into the CIA mind control points, their talking points, and that they're not giving people like Lou or Mellon.
Actually, I have a thing here that Mellon put out.
And this is kind of directly related to that.
So I'll read it.
It's Christopher Mellon.
It's called Why Hasn't Lou Elizondo Been Offered His DoD Job Back?
Just put this out.
How many times in your life at work or at school have you been advised to think outside the box or to be brave and principled and think independently rather than just going along with the herd?
I would imagine more than once.
But is that really good advice?
I'd like to think so.
But let's consider the case of Lou Elizondo.
In 2017, after years of working selflessly on his own time to motivate people, selflessly?
What?
I mean, really?
You know, this guy's a counterintelligence agent.
Is he really selflessly working?
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
He finally resigned because the DOD and the IC refused to take the UAP issue seriously.
You mean the UFO issue?
He did so because these unidentified aircraft were routinely violating restricted U.S. airspace in a manner and pattern that suggested someone has achieved a major technology.
Technological breakthrough and is using it in a manner that poses a potential threat to US forces.
This is the entire setup of how they do this.
But this whole thing is just about how great, you know, Lou is.
And it's interesting that they're very unhappy because they weren't able to pull off the whistleblower sympathy victim card with Lou because too many people like me were out there reporting on him and the UFO threat part.
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So their response is like Semivan's thing and like Melon's is to push back and to say, You know, how dare they do this?
So, despite overwhelming evidence at both the unclassified and classified levels, certain individuals in the department remain staunchly opposed to further research on what could be a tactical threat to our pilots, sailors, soldiers.
They're not opposed to further research.
They do research on this stuff all the time.
What are you talking about?
You are part of that research.
So, Christopher Mellon and Elizondo, this is their latest thing to say, like, the government's against us.
And I have to reiterate this every time I talk about it.
These people are the government.
That's the whole point.
The idea is that they want to come in and pretend to be the outside the box people and they want to be the whistleblowers and the victims.
And they want us to accept their thing that they got the UFO story out and there's a big threat out there.
And hallelujah, it's CIA disclosure.
So we have to be aware of that in the field.
And the field is pretty easily manipulated, it doesn't have a lot of ethical procedures, let's say.
And so, you know, in relation to this show, for Elizondo and people like that, I have.
Invited him for a gentleman's debate on this show since day one.
And so those people don't want anything to do with that because the op itself would unravel in two minutes.
That's the problem.
You know, if they get on a show like this and we talk to them and I ask them, if part of your job is counterintelligence, which is lying, and you're instructed to by the organizations that you work for to lie to the American people as part of your counterintelligence work, would you do it?
You know, I'm sure they would dance with the question, but they can't say no because that's their job.
So, this is the thing that they don't get asked.
They don't get asked either about their ongoing relationship with the CIA.
I mean, in Semivan's case, it's obvious, but Lou was an ongoing intelligence asset.
And so, this whole thing is kind of a fairy tale this whistleblower and the photographs with the brooding thing and all that stuff, and then the TV shows and then TTSA, $50 million in debt.
The whole thing was a weird wash to try to get control of that UFO narrative, not of the UFO file.
All right.
Because what they're trying to do, they have control of the UFO file.
They're trying to come out and control the way you think about it.
And so this is why it's dangerous, in my opinion.
Yeah.
I mean, when people really go up against the government, it doesn't look like that.
It doesn't look like a philosophy TV show you're making.
All right.
He got the GQ Heroes thing.
Yeah, exactly.
Occult fan.
Isn't it always about a threat, be it UFO, demonic, alien, or viral?
Isn't it the same as an abusive psycho relationship, mafioso protection racket?
Wow.
This is the nature of power, right?
This is how power stays in power.
Well, that last comment, you know, a cult fan puts it in perspective right there.
It really is.
It is thugocracy, right?
And when you get down to it, 9 11, we will protect you, right?
Now you have to go through these scanners and do all this stuff.
And, you know, your five year old kid has to stretch out while a person runs them through a whole thing.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
And, We got into those different periods before it was the communist thing, and now they want to protect you from domestic terrorists, or now they want to protect you from the pharma takeover and all the rest.
Is we're going to protect you from a germ, we're going to protect you from a virus.
So they need these different things because just like Hitler, I'm going to protect you from the evil outsiders, I'm going to protect you from the Jews.
So Stalin, I'm going to protect you from the Evil capitalist.
I mean, it is a promise of protection and it's a fear.
It's ratcheting up the fear.
What's interesting is the entrainment works to a level.
So you will find that people fall for it and it gets in them.
They're just suggestible.
But anyone who understands suggestion, it would bounce off them because it's so idiotic and it's so low.
Intel, you know, like the intelligence level of it is so low and stupid.
But then, you know, we've seen low and stupid commercials, you know, are really effective sometimes.
So this is the nature of the thing.
We're right up against a practiced art of entrainment.
And that art is like every day you wake up and are flooded by it now.
And the technology is more invasive than ever.
Yes.
This is, I really want to.
To answer this question.
So 23 angels, angels, angels supply.
Okay.
Everything, hard to say, everything was a lie.
So, how do you believe anything?
This is such a crucial thing.
Yeah, I don't.
See, this is a big problem.
And this is how they are able to do the junk conspiracy part.
So, remember the basic rules in dark journalism there's the official story, which they say they put out to protect the institutions.
So, in the case of 9 11, this guy in a cave was a terrorist and directed these people with box cutters to take down the entire.
United States Air Defense.
That's the official story, right?
It's completely absurd.
The secondary story is often called the conspiracy theory, but it's when the professors, the researchers get into it and see the holes in the official story and point them out.
And then the third story is nothing is real or it was all done with a hologram or something like that.
And everybody looks at that one and they're like, oh, that's so weird.
My tendency is to go back to the official story because I don't want to be associated with that.
So, in the JFK assassination, they had to do this a lot because the official story one guy with a broken gun from a window gets a once in a lifetime shot after picking up a job that nobody knew the president was going by just a few weeks earlier.
And that he gets this, he accomplishes this incredible feat of shooting, which is not possible.
So, that's the official story.
The secondary story, which became the conspiracy theory, was that.
There were other shooters involved in that the CIA was involved.
That's the actual fact of the thing.
The secondary story is the dark journalism.
The third story, you know, there is a number of them, but, you know, the driver did it or something like that.
The junk conspiracy is right underneath.
So people look at that and say, oh, that's not true.
So the conspiracy part is wrong.
I'll go back to the official version.
It's safe.
So these are the rules for how they maneuver you into place.
So, you know, sometimes I get emails and people say, space is fake.
You know, it's not.
Space isn't fake, you know.
So you have to be able to discern things and realize where you've been lied to.
For example, NASA lies in that they've found ruins on places like the moon and that they've seen UFOs and stuff like that, and they have 60 years of data of that.
You have to be able to reconcile that and say they're hiding this information.
But also, You have to do that without your mind slipping over into a paranoid cliff of nothing is real.
So, you have to exercise it.
It's like a discipline.
You have to be able to point out to yourself that you've gone too far when you think like that.
And, you know, it's not someone said we never went to the moon.
That's Roosevelt.
Well, look, that's a worthy discussion, but it doesn't mean that there's no space, right?
So that's different.
Go ahead.
Right.
And you can fall into nihilism really easily, too.
And, or insanity, right?
Yes.
If you really look at it in the big scheme of things, when you realize how much propaganda you've eaten over your entire lifetime, you really start to question history.
How do you know anything is true at all?
The ground starts to fall away underneath your feet.
So, I mean, a lot of people, just to answer the question, were saying, you know, follow the money.
You can trust math, you know, not just money, but cui bono, who benefits?
Well, here's what's amazing about this.
Because a lot of things run on fantasy too.
And so a lot of people have fantasies about things.
This is something that happened with Theosophy.
Okay, so the founder of Theosophy sees, you know, it's a very exceptional individual and goes into, you know, these certain states and sees ascended masters.
And she gets information in relation to this.
But then 20, 30 years out, the members of Theosophy, you know, somebody's like, oh, well, you know, I saw Master Kutumi and I have this whole different thing and I just made up my own religion.
So there you go.
You know, so there's a lot of fantasy involved.
In these different levels.
So you have to be able to walk between what somebody just fantasizing something versus something genuinely happening.
How many people are out there who said, I'm a galactic ambassador and all that?
And they turned it into a good scam or whatever.
So you have all that.
What's missing and what gets missed in all of these different things in the discussion around the CIA trying to abuse.
People's interest in UFOs is the actual UFO stories themselves.
Those are fascinating.
People have genuine experiences.
They have genuine experiences that are psychic experiences, near death experiences, meditation.
It's an incredible field of experience.
So that's one.
Let's remember that's always one.
There is a real UFO experience, there are visitors here, there is something.
That is far beyond just a technological happening and a government MyLab experience.
The stuff does exist.
But whenever you try to get into this stuff, you will encounter, on one side, tons and tons of government disinformation.
On the other side, marketing disinformation.
You have a very narrow, thin corridor to walk down the center of when you're doing this.
And if you can do it, you really can get somewhere.
Go ahead.
I just wanted to mention this comment because I love it.
Schmuggles XRP says, embrace the breakdown.
Things get clearer on the other side.
It's called shaman's death.
And I think that ultimately, the only thing that's true is that we're beings of consciousness.
And all of this can be seen as an initiation.
We're here to gain wisdom and soul growth, right?
So, whatever it is, and we can do that no matter what we are bearing up against.
Right.
No question.
The wisdom part, I think, is also another thing that we're questing after.
And I think that it's intentionally derailed.
I think they, I mean, you know, people have no excuse for getting into trouble anyway, but and getting into fights.
But I think the intelligence agencies and disinformation experts figure out how they can get these types of disputes going.
And I think they're masters at it.
So we see that a lot.
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Michael Snow, what are your thoughts on DJ's thoughts on Elon referencing moon bases in his recent interviews?
Projecting cover for already existing structures, acclimatizing the masses?
I think he's all over the giant, and it's kind of interesting to watch.
He's a tough one to figure out.
They're trying to set him up as a kind of Howard Hughes type character by giving him consolidation of these different areas, and then I'm sure they plan to just kind of run things through him.
So, everything from his comments on the COVID stuff to his comments on Bitcoin and everything else, I think he's a very interesting character and one to watch in the middle of all this.
They just made him the richest man in the world, right?
But fundamentally, you know, the whole SpaceX thing and like comments like nuke Mars and things like that, he might think he's being funny, possible, but I think that there's a weird mentality going on.
That they're trying out in different ways.
And I think that they think someone like Bezos can't pull it off.
And he's trying with Blue Origin.
But it's interesting the amount of X steganography involved in Blue Origin and SpaceX, in my opinion.
The fact that Elon owned X.com and that that was his original site before PayPal bought it is pretty interesting.
What did PayPal do with it?
I think it was originally going to be PayPal and they changed it into something else.
They went into PayPal, but X was going to be it.
But I think that he has been given the speech about what he can and cannot do.
And he is largely the recipient of the years between 1972 and 2022 of the privatization of space because we've been pouring our money in through NASA and everything else.
And we haven't had a moon mission since then.
And even the one that Pence set up.
For 2024, they canceled that.
So something very strange is going on.
To just knock out a space program for 50 years, the manned space program, they're like, well, we sent probes up instead.
You wouldn't stop a manned space program.
What is up with that?
How do you stop it for 50 years and then start back up?
You have 50 years of a secret space development that's kept from the public, even though they pay for it.
And what was Catherine Fitz's suggestion for a solution on all this?
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Easy.
All right, you did that.
Give us a stock certificate in the UFOs.
Fair enough.
Yes.
Jack, Jack.
Question for DJ.
Would you think that the fake alien UFO invasion program would be run in parallel with the CB19 program and the climate change program, or will they be separated in stages?
It's really interesting.
You know, before all this COVID stuff happened, there were some odd articles that I saved, some from Newsweek and others, where they were talking about climate change and saying, You know, if aliens came, maybe we'd get our act together on the climate and all that stuff.
We know that they've abused this thing about the climate and they've tried to consolidate with carbon tax and all these other things.
You know, you won't, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy, as Klaus Schwab says.
I don't think that's it because the truth is, we know that they've had access to advanced energy platforms for years and they've killed off the people who really were promoting those things, sometimes literally.
So that's not it.
It's not that they have an energy shortage.
It's something else.
And the idea of environmental disaster, if anything, let's take it on their level for a second.
Let's take the kind of Al Gore approach for a second.
So we have all these things that we've created, right?
This environmental disaster that we've made.
And they go to the citizens and say, you're going to have to pay for it.
And you're going to have to limit your lives as a result of it.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the corporations that made the.
Profits off of destroying the environment.
Yes.
So, who would you go to naturally to pay for the cleanup of the environment?
You'd go to the corporations.
That's the part of the conversation that's missing.
So, for them to box us in on this side when we see their operation, what they're doing, we can say, you know what, great, there is a climate problem, and you guys are going to have to pay to clean it up.
Let's see how fast they stop talking about it.
But there is a combination here.
And I feel like they've been pushing, when they push the UFO op in the media, it's a creepy feeling.
Don't you get a creepy feeling when they do it?
I do.
Because they hid it for so long.
So, for somebody in the back room somewhere to uncork them and say, say whatever you want about it, lean it toward the story, always mention Elizondo, always show the weird, stupid tic tac picture.
That is a creepy thing that they're engaged in.
And it tells me that they're leading up to this point where they're getting ready to pull some kind of invasion threat off in relation to the UFO file.
Yes.
I think they're going to link it with climate.
It's not to say climate change degradation, environmental degradation, the UFO op.
I can't help but think that this is where it's headed that aliens are going to be seen as saviors with technology and with advice.
In order to save our planet, we need to stop reproducing, we need to stop eating meat, whatever, all the things that we know they want us to do anyway.
Aliens will be the ones that will guide us and they have the technology and we'll get all their advanced technology, but then we'll have to do our part, right?
We'll be a little citizen saving the planet.
Right.
You know, but we, it's all about getting, it's giving and getting, right?
So we're going to have to sacrifice certain things, but look at what we'll be getting.
They're going to offer us technology, you know?
Yes.
And who knows what that's going to be, you know?
And so it's a utopia.
Of course, it won't work out like that, but that's how it's going to be sold to us.
Everything is about selling us something, right?
Well, get your slave station ready, everyone.
That's really true.
And it's a good point because.
They want this idea out there that, you know, it was just like the mask thing.
You know, we know how the masks didn't work, they don't do anything.
Sorry for people who believed in that, but they don't do anything.
And, but they are a form of torture and they are a form of psychological conditioning.
For kids, they're definitely torture.
So they pushed it on all these levels.
And then later they started to debunk themselves, right?
But then by then it doesn't matter because they never ever go back and you know no one ever questions them, so that's the way it goes.
You have this psycho, Dr. Wen, right?
She's the one, and um, so the whole idea is what they say is we don't have to give you anything to give up your freedoms.
What we do is we say about your freedoms, you can get your freedoms back.
The thing that you already have, we're not even going to give you anything, we'll give you your freedoms back.
You do exactly what we tell you, you know.
That type of psychology is um.
It shows you the dangerous level that they're living on and the amount of contempt that they have for the public.
So that's a very upside down situation.
I think the exposure level is working, though, in unnerving the approach.
And I think that, like with Stepford Biden and some of that administration, they're in such a disastrous spot.
They've mismanaged the economy, they've destroyed small business, they've really taken the country down so dramatically in just one year that it's impossible to hide, even with all the media that they have on top.
They're starting to look a lot like Baghdad Bob.
And just, you know, even though the bombs are going off in the back, they're saying everything's hunky dory.
So I feel like they need a major event in order to save their skins at this point.
And I, because I don't think that you can just, you know, you're not going to be able to take people in Australia and say you can't work unless you follow these mandates or exactly what we say.
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And there's just too many protests.
Like the thing has gotten out of their hands.
On that level, it looks pretty ugly.
And you could maintain things, you know, a sense of normalcy.
You know, just like, and I'm sure there are a lot of people in Bill Gates' ear and people like that, just, you know, pumping them up and saying everything's great or whatever.
But the truth is, if they were to get a real analysis, if I were to give them a real analysis of their operation, is that they've let too much about who they are shine through and they're authoritarian.
And the authoritarian side is shining through.
And although some people naturally bend the knee to authoritarians, other people have a deep, deep, abiding resistance to it.
And I think you see that subconsciously coming through.
And so the boomerang on this could be very interesting to watch.
Yes.
Chuck Bam, what has Mufon done lately?
That's a good question.
Where the hell are they?
Who's running them?
Yeah, it's too bad about the UFO organizations.
I'd like to see a totally new UFO organization that just went in the UFO file direction.
No CIA ops, no Elizondas, none of the BS.
Forget about all that.
TTSA fanboys and all that.
Company's dead anyway.
It's $50 million of debt.
Find a new direction.
Is it really $50 million?
$50.
Wow.
Yeah, that's actually in a financial publication, you know, like Fortune Magazine.
The stats are out through their researchers.
Those are through SEC filings and stuff.
So it's not even like somebody's guessing on Reddit or something.
Financial companies have looked at that company and said, What the hell's going on there?
They also raised $2 million in stock certificate, stock offering for, and the idea was they were going to make anti gravity planes or whatever.
None of that stuff ever came about.
So basically, at this point, it's a CIA money laundering wash.
And people in the UFO field who are associated with it, like Pope and Dolan and all those people, My advice is get back to real work and stay away from that stuff because it's ruined their reputations.
And they became people, George Knapp and stuff.
They used to have a pretty solid reputation about the work that they did.
And as soon as they hooked up with these people, it makes them look like they'll sell out for CIA money.
And that's not good.
So, whatever it is, You know, when a group like that comes in and they say, Oh, you'll be part of the movies or the TV shows that we do.
And, you know, it's one thing, I think, to make a mistake, but part of the problem that I've had with the UFO researchers in this and not questioning the op when it came up, you know, we questioned it from day one just because it was very obvious.
And the UFO field, they have a real, there's like a psychological issue going on there.
Those people would turn on critics of the operation.
So they would, you know, a guy like Dolan would go after people.
Who are raising things like me and say, oh, he is, you know, it's psychological, paranoid or something.
You know, these are the CIA.
I mean, the people who understand the UFO field, they are, you know, they should understand that you don't give over your trust to the CIA.
They spent their whole career saying cover up or whatever.
So why would you turn over everything and all your trust to the Central Intelligence Agency?
It's the stupidest thing in the world.
So I think there has to be.
Because they kiss your ass.
Yes, exactly.
And they'll get you on like a major media show, you know, like they'll put you on Fox or something.
But I think what happens is it's a test of character in the final analysis.
Look, when you do research or journalism, you're in the truth telling business.
If you can't tell the truth, get out of the business.
It's pretty simple.
I think it's pretty good advice.
And everybody has to do their own research and do their own stuff.
And I'm not really even interested in, I don't even call it the worst research sometimes.
But when it gets around the UFO thing, when they start to creep it over, then it has to be called out and it'll get called out loud.
And the more they creep, the louder it gets.
Yes.
Luke Walker, does DJ see virtual reality clashing with any of this in any way?
I feel that they want us to prefer being in virtual reality than in the real world.
Well, that's meta, right?
It's the metaverse.
You're right there, baby, with Mark Zuckerberg.
You can have a virtual Zuck.
What could be better?
Gender Identity Options00:03:11
What a dream.
Isn't it weird?
It is a weird thing about Suck.
There's something that genuinely does not look human about Suck.
And I think it's just must be part of the fate of the whole thing.
Well, he had that slip up where he said when he used to be human.
What's going on behind the scenes there?
Yeah.
When I think it was when I was human, something like that.
It was strange.
Well, we know that they want to make a cyborg that is, you know, Very human like, and who they can say, Oh, look, it's this new life form that we've created, and we've been working on this, and roll it out the way that they're rolling out the robot thing.
And one of the things that Fit said to me, it's so insightful, I think, is that what they're doing with the genders.
Oh, you know what?
I actually printed out something on this.
Let's see if I can find it.
But the genders thing where they're trying to get rid of your gender.
Is part of giving robots rights.
Think about that.
That's very interesting.
I think that was a very astute observation.
But check this out.
Okay, here's my dark journalist Facebook here.
I don't think I'm revealing anything.
Okay, so this is a list.
Now I noticed what they said on there is they called me them or they or something like that.
So they didn't want to say, you know, he or she.
They'll just call it they, right?
And they were like, that's what you selected.
So I hadn't selected anything, they just gave that to me.
So here are the options they gave me to change it, okay?
These are the only options.
I can list androgynous, bi gender, cis, cis female, cis male, cis man, cis woman.
Those are my options.
All right, so I typed in male and they were like, no, androgynous, bi gender, cis, cis female, cis male, cis man.
First of all, what's the difference between cis male and cis man?
All right, so they were trying to force you to identify with one of these.
So, even if you said, well, I guess cis male, is that what you're talking about?
I could do that.
But then suddenly you're using the cis thing, which is now they've thrown this in and pretended, oh, this is the science of the thing we're doing.
That's the actual thing.
And if you don't get by it, you can't do anything else on Facebook.
So you have to select one of their weird versions of gender.
Let's think about that.
Cis man, anyone?
Why does it even make you fill it out?
Well, it's interesting because if you don't, then they call you them or they or whatever.
And so when I went in there, I was like, well, that's not it.
How are they calling you them or they?
Because they'll list you and they'll say, you're Daniel List, you're a dark journalist, you're either male or them.
I'm just saying, why does gender play into this?
No, it's absurd.
Right.
You wouldn't call you anything.
Great See Antarctica00:14:59
Yes.
They're not going to list, you didn't have to put your race in, right?
No.
Okay.
So why do they have to put gender at all?
Yes.
Well, that's interesting.
All they had to do is boot M or F. What's the problem?
Oh, everyone, we're going late here in the Dark Journalist Show, episode 116.
It has been a great night of going through this stuff.
And the QA in the ideas room is fantastic.
We'll take one more question.
One more?
I think so.
Only one.
I think we're at that point.
Okay.
Flash Gordon, what are your thoughts on human ascension and our spiritual development into the age of Aquarius?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think it's absolutely possible.
I think that that's what things were set up.
For.
I think that there was a dawning of consciousness in the 50s and 60s that was getting us into a higher place, and that it was cut short and controlled and then taken way off base and taken over the side of a cliff, and that we're trying to get out of that cliff and get back to where we're really supposed to be going.
Look at every tool has been given to us through the mystery schools, through spiritual development.
Anthroposophy, the Gurdjieff work, the Casey work, the tools are there.
The ability for us to apply the tools are there.
We as a group, the people here in the ideas room, can do it.
We have that ability to do it.
And life is a myriad of personal experiences, it's a myriad of personal challenges.
And I talk to people all the time who have different types of challenges, whether it's some people have addiction problems, other people, You know, are going through personal things, whatever it happens to be, the level that they're on, it is ultimately a journey of learning.
And so it's a journey upward.
And the consciousness part, you know, you don't have to give away any bit of who you are.
You know, it's literally all within your own control.
So even when the world is so demanding and so crazy, we can only imagine how people went through World War II and are just like, Somebody made the decision between these two countries that they're going to bomb each other, and the world was in such a mess.
Those people face something very similar, but even more visceral in a sense.
We're coming into that, we're coming into that war, uh, and we're seeing that with the takeover and the global, the attempted institution of a global dictatorship and a worldwide, um, you know, control grid is something that we've never seen in history on this level, and that is due to the level that we've achieved and the technology we've achieved.
Unfortunately, a small group of very intelligent.
But unethical people have the lion's share of that control, but it does not need to remain that way.
And I think, in the grand scheme of things, that ascension is an individual thing and it's a group thing also, but it certainly starts with your own choices.
So I 100% believe in it.
And with that, we're going to wrap up our show today.
Okay, let me ask one more question.
Yeah, sure.
Absolutely.
So, hey, remember, you say jump, I just say how high.
Okay, so business and tech education channel, DJ, why are all the WEF and IMF leaders going to Antarctica?
Let's end on Antarctica.
Yeah, well, um, we saw this happen at the end of the Obama administration, so whatever was going on then, actually, Dr. Farrell pointed this out and everybody imitated him, especially the weird Gaia crowd and the Wilcock good freak show.
But it was interesting because there is something about, just like as I was saying, land rising in the hot zone.
I'm sure there's something in Antarctica which is totally revelatory in relation to the history of this planet.
And I think the fact that Buzz Aldrin was involved with that original, you know, kind of wave of people going there, and that he had some very unnerving experience and had to be taken away.
And that he supposedly tweeted out that I've seen the face of evil or something.
And then later they were like, oh, somebody hijacked his account.
It's really interesting to me.
But there's always been this echo around Antarctica.
And it's obvious to me through the shows that we've done relating to Admiral Byrd and the very unusual technology that he saw there that there's some great mystery happening.
And when I talked, Uh, the last time with Catherine Fitz, she said that, uh, you know, we were going around on different anomalies that were going on, and CERN, the UFO file, and Antarctica were basically the three big questions.
And the one that I, I think, added in there was the hot zone.
So, um, that piece, I think, uh, is very telling.
Uh, and I think that they're planning to, um, Whatever it is that they're finding there, they're trying to figure out how to use it to their advantage.
So you're seeing a number of people weigh in on that before they let it up publicly.
Huh.
Really interesting.
Thank you, everyone.
Fantastic questions.
Miss Olivia.
I think it's important that we remember Kev Baker and Jim Nichols.
Oh, you know, unbelievable.
Look, Kev Baker's show was fantastic, and he passed away at a very early age.
And he was a great guy.
I got a chance to talk to him a couple of times, and we never ended up doing a show together.
We talked about the ins and outs of the UFO field, and he had a great sense of humor.
And I think everyone considered his show just a great hangout.
And so he's going to be sorely missed.
Jim Nichols, you know, I talked with him.
He put me in one of his documentaries and he was an incredible artist, had a great feel.
And I called him a UFO good guy.
And he was close with Yvonne Groovybean.
And, you know, Nichols was just a solid, really solid guy.
And he thought that the whole kind of circus of ufology was over the top.
But he did the real steady research and he investigated the deeper topics on this.
So we lost a couple of really great people.
In the fields.
And, you know, it was interesting because Peter Bogdanovich, a great director, passed away, and Sidney Ponye, I learned just before we went live.
So I always think of it as people moving on to a greater tomorrow and a greater reward, you know, when they accomplish the things in their lives.
I don't like to see anyone's life cut short like that.
So, but it's a reminder to all of us to get on with it, right?
Get busy living.
Yes, yes.
We're only on stage for so long.
It's a great inspiration that.
All those people have provided.
And that's really, you know, what it's about.
But, right.
And Betty White, everyone is reminding us.
Oh, my God.
Betty, yeah.
She had a good long life.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
I mean, what, you know, you couldn't ask for a better life than that, all those years on TV and everything else.
It's funny, isn't it, though, because I think that, you know, we do, we're always very grateful for the people we have who are.
You know, we should definitely get behind the people that we have in the field doing the right stuff because it makes all the difference.
And, you know, it's a great reminder, I think, for all of us to treasure the people and moments that we have for sure.
And we treasure all you guys.
It's fantastic to have you here.
Thank you so much for joining us for episode 116.
Yes.
First of all, it's David Bowie's birthday tomorrow.
Yes.
Make a note of that.
Yes.
And you are planning a Bowie show at some point.
We had thought about doing it.
Tonight, but it is postponed until it's coming up when it feels right, you know.
That's an important one, so I'm going deep, deep into the Bowie Cave for that one.
Okay, and I have a lot of super chatters to thank you.
You'll love Aladdin Sane, okay?
So, thank you, Gillenjoy R, Jackson, Jim Sarge 3 ID, Flash Gordon, Eurythmia's Fun, Renaissance Taste Buzz, Erica Swenson Elliott, Robert Schneider, Cult Fan, Gigi Abby Lynn.
Jennifer Walters, Mark T, Jordan Banner, John O'Hara, Brian Berner, Doreen Hewitt, Animal Black, Debbie McAdoo, D. Monique Worthley, Nacreus 3.7, Luke Walker, Alan, Rob McTavish, Cole Dossie, Tanya What the Flux, Chris Ocella, Raymond Lee Harvey, and Medley Childress.
Thank you so much.
Fantastic.
And we really appreciate your support here on the show.
It helps us get everything done.
And makes things go a lot better.
And we have some exciting shows coming up for you as well.
I'll do a couple of shout outs here before we go.
Derek Vigil, Space Ghost, Tanya, what the flux?
Chrissy, it's great to see you out there.
A cult fan, there he is.
It's great to see you.
Sarah Jane, Breezy Windflower, Najat, Gypsy Moon, fascinating show as always.
Thank you.
Excellent.
Oh, that's right.
I've learned this new thing.
I can spotlight a comment.
Thank you, Roosevelt.
It's great to have you out there.
Jack Jack, Zach Robinson, Ivan Langley, thank you.
Eugene Charkov, John Guilfoyle, Miguel, it's good to see you out there.
Commander Korn, Debbie McAdoo.
Fantastic crowd out there tonight.
Excellent and excellent questions.
I'm a black star, exactly.
I'm not a star star, I'm a black star.
Love to you all, Jackson.
Karen Carpenter's going.
Yes, God bless us, everyone.
I like it.
Scarlet Fire.
Great to see you.
Kate's out there.
It's great to see you.
Bethany Green.
Al Qaeda.
Unbelievable.
David Tormina.
Fantastic.
Jennifer and Bucks, Chrissy, knocking them dead.
AAA Beverages, Chris Bradley, Britannia Young, Gypsy Moon.
Wow, fantastic.
Just great out there tonight.
We will see you all next week.
And we have some great surprises coming up for you in January.
Make sure you're on the newsletter list.
And thank you to all our subscribers as well.
Make things go a lot better.
Kat Goit is out there.
Thank you, Kat.
It's great to see you.
And I guess that's it.
That's Olivia.
Yep.
More prayers for Joseph.
Yes.
Joseph, who's recovering from his surgery.
We wish him all the best.
We hope to have him back on here as soon as he's feeling better.
But going through, having gone through all that, and he's quite a hero.
So we're just happy that he's coming through.
And.
They are watching us, Daniel.
I agree.
Your vibes are great.
I like that.
My hands are numb from knitting the entire time.
Wow.
Good night, Brandy.
That's a good one.
Private pilot.
Contiki man from Belgium.
Now we're talking.
Check for what happens in Brussels this Sunday.
We will be watching.
Godspeed to Farrell.
Indeed.
The doctor will be in the house.
Prayers for Joseph.
Thank you very much.
What a great, another great show.
Jimmy Kennemer.
Fantastic.
Groovy Beans out there.
Groovy, it's great to see you.
What Bowie album?
Probably Diamond Dogs.
Diamond Dogs would be good for tomorrow.
Especially the big brother chant of the ever circling skeletal family combo.
Marty Bross wants to see your cufflinks.
Ah, yes.
That's, you know, just a little something.
We will see you all next week.
Wow, Najat looks low.
You're an exotic lady.
Hey, listen.
You're such a wonderful person.
Michael Snow, Karen Carpenter.
Excellent.
Great to see everyone.
What a great crowd.
Unbelievable tonight.
We'll see y'all next week.
And you know, it says end broadcast, but it never really ends.
Am I right?
Never ends.
Miss Olivia, thank you.
Round of applause for Miss Olivia.
Nicely done.
And we'll see y'all next week.
Thanks, everyone.
Keep your sense of humor, stay in your heart.
I like it.
The Cove Channel.
Hey, it's great to see you.
Dorothy.
Alana Freeland, she's coming up.
Yeah, we're talking, but we're going to have her on very soon.