Catherine Austin Fitts exposes a $21 trillion black budget and a $65 trillion missing sum within agencies like HUD and the DOD, alleging Democrats orchestrated a sham impeachment to distract from deep state re-engineering via FASB 56. She claims this shift places federal finances under Amazon and Microsoft control, facilitating corporate privatization of public assets and a transition toward treating humans as commodities. With the US dollar losing reserve status, Fitts warns BRICS nations will end subsidizing America, potentially doubling inflation while alternative payment systems emerge. Ultimately, she argues the global community must reject this unsustainable, opaque economic model to survive an era where misinformation masks corporate exploitation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Amazon's Federal Cloud Mistake00:15:05
Hello, everyone.
This is Dark Journalist.
Today I have a special Part 2 exclusive interview with former Assistant Housing Secretary Catherine Austin Fitz.
Now, in Part 1, we outline the black budget forces that have created a back door where trillions have disappeared from government agencies.
In Part 2, she'll go even deeper, showing how the space economy is the ultimate line item in the secret system of finance for turning space into a war fighting domain.
She'll also show what is behind the current political hysteria of what she calls the media shriekameter.
Here we go.
Former Assistant Housing Secretary Catherine Austin Fitz, The Missing Money, The Black Budget Gamble.
You know, in many ways, I don't even want to waste your time with the presidential contest.
That's going to be a big thing that we're going to go after in 2020.
One thing I will say that I think is interesting is, and I think we should cover just quickly in this picture, which is the impeachment process, the kind of sham of it.
Even for people who might.
I cannot figure out why Pelosi let it go forward.
Now, somebody must have, you know, carrot and stick, somebody must have made it so painful not to that she had to.
But Pelosi, whatever Pelosi is, she's an astute politician, and she knew that it was potentially very dangerous.
And I think the real message is the same message you had, you know, sort of.
You had it all along, but if you take the people who really run America county by county, you still have a lot of very hardworking, very productive, very intelligent people, and they are shocked at the notion that you are paying this much money for a governmental infrastructure that is not focused on the real issues.
And, you know, I'll give Trump credit because he said early on, you know, I have a day job.
I can't be, you know, I can't be spending my time on this.
And he's right.
So I think that was his credit.
But my, you know, I'm in Texas now.
I've been driving around the country since November, early November.
And what I have to say is the loss of interest in the DC political furball, I've never seen it higher.
People are focused on, you know, how am I going to feed my kids without food stamps?
They don't have time for this.
Right.
And so I'm surprised Pelosi let it go forward because, you know, the Russia op didn't work.
Right.
And now the Ukraine op didn't work.
And, you know, so you got two groups of people mad at you.
One is who feels you've wasted their time and money and not done the real work you're supposed to do.
But then, um, You got a whole nother group of people saying, I just have to tell you a great story.
So, when I went to work at HUD, the secretary had a problem because the law said he had to go to the right, but politics said he had to go to the left.
So, his way of solving things, he would call me into his office and he would say, Okay, you know, there's terrible corruption in the Title X program.
I want you to shut it down.
I'd say, Yes, sir.
And I'd leave, you know, making a checklist of what I had to do to.
To shut the program down, he would call in my general deputy and he would say, I just told Fitz to shut down Title X, make sure she fails.
And that's because he needed the program to keep going to finance the politically engineered deals, but he needed to tell the New York Times that he was trying to shut it down.
And you'll go through the history of how these games are played politically, and incompetence is a major air cover.
Oh, it's not our fault, it's those stupid bureaucrats.
Anyway, so it didn't take long for us to get to the fact that we were getting contradictory.
Instructions from the secretary.
And then the question is, okay, well, what do we do?
How do we manage this?
You know, so we had to come clean with each other and constantly deal with it.
Anyway, so the general deputy, as a result, kept failing at his instructions because I basically did a very good job of running the line management of the operation.
All the deputies were, you know, we were all transparent with each other.
And the general deputy just, Was not effective at countermanding my orders in secret, anyway.
So, one thing led to another, and he got a new job offer.
And so, he left and went to that, and he was being sworn at the new job.
And the secretary went over to be part of the swearing in ceremony.
And Jack turned to him in the middle of the ceremony and he said, You know what your problem is, Peter?
You can't even take out a woman.
So, the political problem that the Pelosi and the Democrats have.
Is they went into the woods to shoot the bear, they wounded the bear, but they didn't kill the bear.
Right.
And so now the message is you can't even get the job done.
Right.
Right.
And they have commanded, I mean, Clinton commanded incredible resources to lose an election.
The Democrats commanded incredible resources to play the Russia card.
And they did tremendous damage globally.
We have done tremendous damage.
If you want to.
You know, if you want to blame the current executive branch for anything, the damage that the Shriekameter has done to our brand globally, you know, I would tell you is people who run the media want the dollar to fail.
That's, you know, I don't know what they're up to.
But we've done terrible, terrible damage and they didn't get the job done.
And now they've played the Ukraine card and Pelosi and Schiff have not gotten the job done.
So.
Is it possible that in this whole process, in both of them, Aside from just hobbling the Trump administration, that they were looking for something else.
Well, here's what you have had you've had a distraction.
So if you look at what the deep state is doing to re engineer the federal government, to a certain extent, the Trump administration and the Congress are irrelevant.
Because unfortunately, here's where we are with FASB 56, Congress says they have abdicated their responsibilities in the power of the purse.
So Congress no longer controls the.
The first.
We know, I just did a great interview with Amy Benjamin on international treaties.
We know that Congress has basically, in some cases, abdicated their power on international treaties.
And we know if you look at what's happening with the military globally, they've abdicated their power in terms of deciding when we do and do not go to war.
So, what is it Congress does?
Apparently, Congress entertains.
Right.
That's the danger here.
And that's not good.
We need Congress.
You know, you would like a Congress that's really an intimate part of governing the country.
But, you know, whether it's war, the purse, or international treaties, if they're not asserting their responsibility in that vein, you've got a real problem.
That's one of the reasons I like Rand Paul so much.
Because on all these issues, he's insisted on congressional role and authority, you know, in those matters.
But almost a lone voice on that.
Yeah.
Right.
So.
Well, not a lone voice, but certainly the loudest voice, or I would say the clearest voice.
If you look at what the deep state is up to, the re engineering of the government with FASB 56 and now with the Jedi contract, first you had the intelligence agencies go into Amazon.
You got FASB 56 done.
Now you have the Jedi contract.
I don't know if you saw my tweet.
I tweeted to Trump, I said, if you sign this contract for.
You are through the impeachment process, you give Gates a headshot at you.
So don't do it.
Do not do that.
That's a big mistake I've seen politicians make before.
But anyway, so with Amazon and Microsoft controlling the cloud and FastB56 in place, you have operationally and financially complete control of the government by the corporate infrastructure.
Yes.
And this is, that's a real abyss.
Really, once it gets crossed.
And remember, they're sending a lot of the bureaucracy.
One, they're trying to cut the bureaucracy in terms of power significantly, but then disperse it around the country, which makes sense for many reasons.
But I think after the election, you're going to see an acceleration of privatization, which is going to make your head spin.
A quick thing on Amazon there since they came up.
A couple of quick things.
Amazon went in and bought Whole Foods and became a major player in the food market, which they're kind of the first of their kind to do that.
They were setting a trend there.
And they were now introducing robotics.
They have in 2020 rolling out cashierless versions of Whole Foods.
So, where's that headed?
And that's the control factor of the robotics, the kind of the robot takeover aspect of it.
Right.
And if you look at the number of Amazon customers who were in within 10 miles of a Whole Foods, you know, it gave them a distribution point to almost everybody in America.
Right.
So it gave them a physical presence.
The physical presence people don't see, but you see if you drive around as much as I do, is you have these big distribution centers coming up with Amazon all over the country.
It's one of the reasons I think Amazon thought that they were going to win the Jedi contract because they now have, if you want to re engineer the federal government, you've got a distribution center and a store within shooting, you know, within drone distance of everybody, just about, especially if you keep moving people out of the rural areas.
So I don't, I think most people don't understand 50% or more of the federal government, of the income in any.
Place in America is coming through the federal budget and the federal credit.
And if you get everything into a cloud, the ability to spin that and re engineer it is phenomenal.
In 1989, when I went first to FHA, I did a very detailed bottom up budget of time for all 7,000 workers and what I was doing.
And to make a long story short, I figured out that if I was free to re engineer the products, what I had 7,000 people to do, I could do with 250 if I got everybody automated.
So the speed at which you can re engineer the federal government and all those cash flows if you're in the cloud is phenomenal.
Amazing.
And well, that goes into a lot of the software that was developed in the back doors and all the rest of it.
It's the same kind of system.
Well, that's the question.
If you have the 17 intelligence agencies in the Amazon cloud and you have DOD in the Microsoft cloud, who has access?
Yes.
Yeah.
Welcome to the data beast.
I call it the data beast.
I like this term.
Well, you know, if you.
Because I know you've listened to Bill Binney.
Bill Binney was a very, you know, I think he was the technical director at NSA, but very high level NSA who left when he realized what they were doing.
What they were doing was they're basically making it possible to collect 100% of the data when it wasn't necessary, but basically vest that infrastructure in corporate contractors.
Now, I've always believed the reason that they did that was so the corporate contractors would have access to the data, you know, and I call it the data beast.
Right, right.
So if you take the NSA data beast and you add to it whatever the Amazon cloud is doing, whatever the Jedi is doing, and then the question, of course, is who has access to what?
Well, you've made the point that in this day and age, information about money is actually more valuable than the money itself.
Right, right.
That has to be the crucial realization around this.
It seems like a very unhealthy trend, Amazon going into Whole Foods.
And then replacing all the workers with robots.
It seems to me that that's kind of the canary in the cold mine, and it's problematic.
Well, here's the question.
So let's take a county, any county in America, because America just breaks down to 3,100 counties.
Right.
If you look at the cash flows, we have the resources and the capacity to say, we're not going to play.
Let's revive our local farms.
Let's sit down and say food, energy, shelter.
How do we provide that for ourselves?
It's very interesting.
When they passed the bill that nationalized Freddie and Fannie, I sat down and I read the whole thing.
It was hundreds of pages long.
And I called my attorney, whose son at that time was 16.
And I said, You know, I want you to talk to Christian about going to the home building school that they're having at the farm this summer.
Because if you look at the fraud and the complexity and the regulation in the mortgage backed, In the mortgage financing market and the home building market, you know, it is cheaper and easier for a young person to just learn how to build their own home.
Wow.
And yeah.
Well, you have people working, right?
You have people working on making, you know, open source hardware information available to young people so they can.
Treasury Securities and Market Control00:14:51
But, you know, if you look at the amount of controls and complexity and fraud built into many, many things, you know, it's just easier to do it yourself.
So, I think the time has come.
If you look at how much money, you know, I always say if you look at how much money we're spending on sugar, drugs, gambling, you know, and a variety of other things that are supposedly bad for us, if we took half of that money, we have enough money in every county to rebuild our local economy so we can have trustworthy food.
We can have, you know, homes that we know how to fix ourselves and on and on and on.
We've reached a tipping point where the corporate infrastructure, the large corporate and large banking infrastructure.
Is sufficiently lacking in integrity that it's time to go to the hard work of figuring out how to do it ourselves.
And if you think this is bad, we haven't talked about opportunity zones yet.
Right.
You know, because the big money is coming out of tech.
The way you make money on the Internet of Things and on lowering the energy price through breakthrough technology, Daniel, is you make money in the real estate.
So it doesn't take a no brainer, you know, to sell your money on the tech stocks and reinvest in.
In real estate in America.
Of course, they just happened to come up with a new tax shelter called Opportunity Zones that makes it possible for that to happen.
And if you look at what's happening with Opportunity Zones, as I was getting all the emails on the investment advisory emails saying, Beyond Meat, Beyond Meat, Beyond Meat, I'm getting Opportunity Zones opportunity.
And I said, Here it comes again.
Wow.
Yeah, here it comes.
Well, have you seen Treasury's proposal for the housing market?
No.
If you think the 2008 housing bubble crash was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
You have not seen nothing yet.
You know, what Wall Street said to justify what happened was, you know, there was tremendous demand globally for risk free securities, which was true.
There was.
And so we took subprime mortgages, figured out a way to create, you know, AAA securities and give them risk free securities.
We see how that turned out.
What, if I read Mnuchin's proposal correctly, what Treasury is proposing is that we take right now, Fannie and Freddie have been nationalized.
So they're governmental entities.
They want to privatize them, but when they privatize them, they want to give them the power to issue full faith and credit securities.
So HUD securitizes FHA mortgages with Ginnie Mae.
Ginnie Mae's are full faith and credit.
They want to give the Ginnie Mae power.
To a private Freddie and Fannie, so that this time around, they're not issuing Freddie and Fannie securities.
They're issuing securities backed by your money and home and my money and home.
So these are taxpayer guaranteed securities.
And to make that fair for the other players, they're going to give, they say, the other competitors in the market the ability to issue the federal credit, which I'm assuming is JPMorgan Chase and Citibank and all the people we know and love.
And so They're saying to all the people who engineered the bailout, the financial coup, you can issue the equivalent of a Ginny May.
So, in a sense, from a principal standpoint, a Treasury security.
So, we're going to give private businesses who make money from their profits the ability to issue securities guaranteed by us.
Amazing.
Right.
Well, that's a huge switch out.
The question is.
Yeah, especially when FASB 56 when all of the government finances, you know, so our pension funds are buying treasury securities or they'll buy these Freddie and Fannies and the money goes to treasury, right?
So they buy treasury security and the money goes to treasury and then the money disappears out the back door.
Right.
So that treasury security is no longer.
Supported by an operation with all the assets it's financed, it's an IOU from ourselves.
So we've turned an asset into a liability.
I'm now liable for that security.
So I put cash in my pension fund, the cash goes to Treasury, the cash goes out the back door, and I have an IOU from myself and my neighbors and my fellow citizens.
And because of FASB 56, you can't track where that money went out the back door.
Or if it's there.
Or, I mean, yeah.
So, your guess is as good as mine.
How much of the assets that are taxes and treasury?
Let's just take the pension funds because the number one buyer of U.S. Treasury securities is not the Chinese, it's American pension funds, American retirement savings.
So, how much of the money that American pension funds have put in the treasury has gone out the back door?
Wow.
I mean, you decide.
That's why, if you go to space, here we go, there's a stock certificate.
And the stock certificate says that John Doe, American citizen, has a share of that spaceship.
Yes, absolutely.
Let's jump to that real briefly.
Let's suppose that a lot of that money that disappeared out the back door was to create a space infrastructure, a space economy that's privatized with public money.
Right.
So.
When we look at that now, they've had a process there.
Like I said, the last time we went to the moon on a manned mission was 1972.
Okay, that's almost 50 years ago.
So they've had 50 years of black ops in space with those kind of protections that the continuity of government people had, which they took those emergency procedures and basically transferred them to outer space.
So that one of the ways to think about it is if you look at the percent of the federal budget that went to space or the percent of The GNP that went to space.
Right.
You know, it was growing coming into Kennedy.
Then the Kennedy assassination, it kind of flatlined.
Right.
And if you just say, okay, let's assume the same growth trend, you know, if we'd held to the trend, and my guess is the difference between the two lines is probably what happened.
That's okay.
So that's 56 years of real space.
Yeah, the growth trend stayed, but it just went dark.
And so you can almost look at the Kennedy assassination, which we just had the 56th anniversary last month.
You could look at that and say this was where a number of.
The Kennedy assassination was the FASB 56 of the space budget.
Yes.
Right.
Absolutely.
And Kennedy also, in moving that to be a more public program and then working with the Russians on it and stuff, that's a totally different approach than what we got.
Right.
Well, you know, it's hard to sometimes say what the coordination is behind the scenes with the Russians.
Because we'll see little snippets of information come out about extraordinary cooperation by the two militaries through time.
So, I'm not convinced.
I'm also convinced if you look at what Putin's been up to, he's all along been getting help from the West.
Because things don't break up between sovereign governments.
We talk about sovereign governments as though they're the power players, they're not.
You have these different cartels.
And so.
Right.
And if you run afoul of the cartel, you become a scandal and they throw you out, and, you know, Medvedev takes over.
Right.
Right.
One thing about Putin, though, you mentioned it recently, which is that he got into a couple of interesting comments.
One was in relation to talking about how in France they have the new thing as parent number one and parent number two.
And that made me think immediately of your comments about gender X.
This bill that they proposed in New York by Mayor de Blasio, where they wanted now that option to be their gender X.
And this is actually not rights for transgender people, it was actually for rights for robots, ultimately.
I found that very interesting.
Well, you are seeing the G7 countries try and move under law and culture from a model of a human who is sovereign by divine right.
To a model where a human is a natural resource, just like an oil deposit.
So you're moving from the Bill of Rights to technocracy.
And you have to change a human being from a sovereign individual to a manipulable.
Commodity.
Commodity.
Exactly.
So from an individual to a commodity.
And Putin has taken a role in sort of arguing for the divine right of humans and trying to make it clear that all the very, you know, a lot of this is being sold through sneaky cultural methods.
Yes.
And Putin's been very good about saying, you know, we want nothing to do with it.
The big occurrence with Putin recently, and this is what I'm looking now, I'm in the middle.
We're just about to publish the state of our currencies, which is our big.
We did the big look on space.
We did the big look on pension funds.
We did a big look on the rise of Asia.
We did a big look on mecha cities.
That's what all these wrap ups are for.
Now I'm doing a big look on currency.
And Putin came out, you know, they just had the big BRICS meeting in Brazil.
And Putin came out and said that the dollar was going to collapse shortly.
Now, the question is he's been working.
With a variety of parties to do separate payment systems outside of SWIFT and the different systems that the US used to implement sanctions.
Anyway, and the, you know, if you want to really start to shift market share away from the dollar, what you need is you need Russia and China to come together and work with the BRICS to build alternative payment and swap systems.
You know, the central banks, since the Asian financial crisis and really since the financial crisis, have been trying to build.
Lots of swap systems away from the US to just build capacity.
But anyway, it was kind of surprising because Putin's not one for bluffing.
And to me, one of the reasons I'm trying to finish the state of our currencies now is I'm trying to figure out to what extent was he just talking his book and bluffing, or have the BRICS put together enough swap systems and payment facilities to start to make serious market share inroads to the dollar and so circumvent the sanction system?
He's signaling there that they have a new way around it.
And that's his first really public statement like that.
Well, here's the thing.
It's not zero when.
When you go, so I go back from when we transferred from the sterling to the dollar.
You know, that process took many decades, many, many decades, depending on how you want to count it.
And it was one of the reasons the Americans, you know, the American Wall Street tried so hard to get the Federal Reserve Act passed in 1913 was they couldn't play internationally as a reserve currency without, you know, a very tight central bank.
But if you look at the process, it's not zero one.
And at different times, when the euro came out in 99, you started to see the euro take market share and to a lesser extent, the yen take market share.
The euro and the yen right now are the only ones that could take any significant capacity.
But if you're going to take capacity away from the dollar, it's not going to be any one thing.
The renminbi has got to build more global liquidity.
You can do more through the dollar.
You can do more through the zen.
You can do a lot more through the swap.
Capacities and the, if you look at the payment system the Europeans are putting to go around the sanctions on Iran, you know, so it's going to be a little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit here, a little bit.
It's going to be multipolar.
So, what you need is you need dramatic capacity in all these different things.
And I think the reason why you can build some capacity in those 10 or 20 things is so many people are frustrated and irritated by the sanctions because they're lowering productivity.
What we all need to make the economy go is we need to be productive.
And so much of what, you know, the Chinese are in Asia saying, let's build bridges, and the Americans are saying, let's build bombs.
Yeah, right.
And what's unfortunate about the way this is going is the Americans are controlling through negative means.
The Chinese are trying to control more through, let's build infrastructure and be positive means.
And I'm afraid we've gotten on the wrong side of this argument, whether we're taking the US securities markets dark?
Are we trying to get everybody to buy our bombs?
So, yeah, we're going.
It's an incredibly wrongheaded activity on our part, and it's made us not competitive when you look at it that way.
We haven't even developed high speed rail.
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It's absurd.
One of the things I wanted to ask you in relation to all this, though, is the transhumanism aspect for 2020.
So much more of it is out there.
And you've actually turned to calling some of these activities subhuman, an effort to make human.
That was Thomas Myers'.
He said, transhuman, it sounds like it's an evolution.
It's not, it's subhumanism.
Yeah, right.
You know, we're going back to a primitive state, and he's right.
You know, it's funny because if you look at the amount of money and entrainment that have been put into both the transhumanism, all the various.
Parts of transhumanism.
And then all the money that's been put into the climate change op and in treatment.
It's just, it's unbelievably significant.
I have to tell you a story.
I was flying back from Paris at the end of October, and I was in this one of these hotels where you do everything yourself.
It's very sort of groovy and cool.
It was next to the airport.
I wanted to because I was flying out early in the morning, and I came down to have dinner in sort of the snack bar.
There were these two amazing African entrepreneurs.
You know, there's France and Africa are so closely tied financially and economically, but.
Anyway, so you had these two tall guys.
They both looked like movie stars.
They were clearly very, very wealthy.
And they're sitting there talking politics and money.
And you could tell these are people who understand the real deal and they're good at it.
You know, they're very, very confident.
And so the waiter says something about, oh, we have to save the planet with climate change.
And they started laughing so hard.
It was unbelievable.
And they're just like, oh, these people in the G7, they're so mind controlling.
And they still took, Talking about how mind control.
And then the transgender thing comes up, and it's the same thing.
And basically, the whole thing that their conversation and spirit radiated was we're going to eat these people for breakfast.
We're going to be able to take over all their markets.
And we're going to be able to just, you know, they were licking their chops because they just figured the general population in the G7 is so stupid and clueless.
They have no idea how the game works.
And you could tell they were just, they were like, It's a world of opportunity for us.
Right, right.
And you're sitting there as an American and you're thinking, oh, Lord, how can I help people understand so that they don't, you know, if you're going to build a successful business, you have to navigate reality.
And the world is full of entrepreneurs from all over the world who, you know, have a pretty amazing beat on reality.
And we need that too, Daniel, if we're going to succeed in the next 10, 20 years.
Well, that's quite a reality check.
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You've put together a campaign for tracking the missing money, and you've got missingmoney.solari.com, which I think is an excellent resource for just seeing what that's all about in a nutshell.
You've been covering this, as we pointed out, for over two decades.
That is money vanishing from these agencies and these agencies not being accountable for the money that's vanished.
Right.
HUD, in specific, is one that you've pointed out, and the DOD.
And before that, NASA, but I understand that 21 trillion is just HUD and DOD.
Right.
When you're thinking about this campaign, and how to, I want to do a hypothetical about this because you're doing a hashtag my21 about the 21 trillion and how it balances out to 65 trillion.
Every week we're publishing a new poster.
Yes.
And then Dr. Skidmore's daughter wrote a song.
Oh, that's great.
So we have a missing money song, and then every week we have a missing money poster.
And what I'm hoping, I'm hoping it will inspire people.
You know, the campaign is a time when we get together and talk about what's important to us.
Right.
And so it is an opportunity to have a very important conversation.
And so what we wanted to do is a poster that would help it bring down to each person and their issues.
So, one, we have a homeless vet saying, Give me the 21 trillion, I can rebuild the country.
We have an older woman saying, You know, about my underfunded pension fund, what about the 21 trillion?
Then we have a little baby calling out the Virginia Congresswoman for her, you know, not caring about the $750 billion missing at HUD.
And then we have, I'd have to go back and look right now.
But every week I want to do one.
The student loan one, too.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, the first one, I love the first one.
He says, you know, about my student loan debt, you know, just take it out of the $21 trillion.
And, well, you know, I did that after the litigation.
I had one of the major banks that I owed $14,000 to, which was exactly my calculation of what at that time it wasn't $65 trillion.
It wasn't $21 trillion.
It was less.
So now it's $65,000 a person, but then I calculated $14,000 a person.
So I wrote them a letter and I said, You owe me $14,000.
I'm asserting a common law right of offset.
I owe you $14,000.
You owe me $14,000.
I'm asserting a common law right of offset.
I'm not going to pay.
And the common law right of offset is.
Common law right of offset is a law that is a right that the Department of Justice.
Has asserted when they decide that you owe them or the federal government money, they will assert a common law right of offset to say, okay, you know, we owe you a dollar, but we believe you owe us a dollar.
So we're not going to pay you the dollar we owe you.
We're going to assert a common law right of offset.
Right.
And I first discovered it when they owed my company money and they tried to stiff us by asserting a common law right of offset.
And it provided me with an enormous education on the common law right of offset.
And what I have to tell you is every person in America, as far as I'm concerned, has a common law right of offset of $65,000 against those banks and contractors.
This is a really landmark realization, actually, as is your letter to that bank.
In relation to this, can you describe the Treaty of Westphalia?
The Treaty of Westphalia, it was European.
The Treaty of Westphalia established the principle in the 1600s that a sovereign government would have monopoly on force in its jurisdiction.
And the problem, remember, the problem in the medieval ages was, you know, the violence was free range.
You know, to go from here to there, you could be accosted by a variety of different parties, including the sovereign government.
So, you know, the idea was no, within a territory, the sovereign government has jurisdiction over the application of violence.
And now we finance so much private intelligence and military capacity that, you know, we really have private corporations with armies that are free to use those armies to get their stock up.
Spiritual Methods Against Genocide00:04:23
That's remarkable.
It's quite a shame.
Well, they are killing all these doctors.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you have assassinations going on all over the country.
You have poisoning going on all over the country.
You have covert operations going on all over the country.
It's unbelievable.
You know, it's funny.
When I finished my personal history on missing money for the wrap up that you just held up.
Mm hmm.
The last section was going to be on tactics.
You know, what are the tactics they use to get away with all of this?
So I decided, you know, it's too long.
I'll cut it out of there and I'll do a Solari report called Deep Tactics.
And it was so popular, it's turned into a series, and that's going to be the annual wrap up this year.
It's called Deep State Tactics 101.
Yes.
101.
And we published five parts and we have five more parts to publish, but we're going to do it as part of the wrap up and roll it up.
And what I, you know, what was amazing was all my subscribers kept coming back and saying, Oh, that's what happened to me.
I thought it was just a coincidence.
Wow.
They don't understand that these are tactics used to manipulate, herd, control, harvest.
And it's not just the government using it.
It's private corporations using all this stuff.
This is a very important realization because very often people will attribute any kind of surveillance or harassment to the government agency, but there's a lot of options there.
And, you know, I'm sure somewhere there's an encyclopedia twice the size of the old Encyclopedia Britannica just on tactics.
Yeah.
But it was, you know, we are in an environment of economic warfare.
And there is a war on every.
You know, if you are subject to surveillance capitalism, you know, if you have a smartphone, if you have the kind of screen we're talking on right now, you're a target.
It's just one of my favorite performance artists, Curtis Mayfield.
And in his last album, it's called The New World Order.
He's got this great line.
He says, It's a new world order.
It's a brand new day.
It's a new world order.
And brother, you're the prey.
That's a great line.
Well, it's funny because, you know, I grew up in an African American neighborhood and I watched, they used to call it the beatdown, how the operations would move into the neighborhood and target the kids and target the, you know, the whole nine yards.
And so I used to watch it and it's amazing how many of the tactics that we experienced in the beatdown are now being used on the whole population.
You know, to a certain extent, the African American population is the canary in the coal mine.
You know, they used it on them first.
And it was very interesting when the litigation first started.
It was very immersive.
We had 18 audits and investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, and smear and harassment, physical harassment, all at the same time.
And I was trying to figure out okay, what's the game?
How do I learn this?
How do I, you know, how do I survive?
How do I succeed?
And I asked some very knowledgeable person with intelligence experience, I said, Have you ever seen this before?
And they said, Yeah, I've seen it a lot, but you're the first white person.
So, So it was interesting because, you know, I'd grown up in a black neighborhood and had been raised, in fact, by a black woman who was my sort of primary caregiver.
And I knew that the black churches knew how to deal with this.
And so I went back, I went and found an African American church and studied spiritual warfare for several years with them.
And it really saved my life.
But they did have the technology, they knew how to.
You know, they knew how to deal, to use spiritual methods to deal with a group of people targeting you economically, legally, financially, or even for genocide.
And that's how they survived.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In spiritual warfare class, we would get lectures on how to detox.
So, yeah, they had amazing technology on how to overcome it.
Taxing the Poor to Stop Harm00:15:08
I want to remind everyone you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
We're here with.
Former HUD Secretary Catherine Austin Fitz.
What does the Trump administration need to do in 2020 to hang on and survive this stuff and actually win reelection?
Well, I think, you know, when Trump said, you know, I have a day job, I can't, you know, I've been, I, when Trump first started to run for president, I was not a fan.
And during the campaign, I became surprised at what he accomplished.
And then I ended up voting for him.
So, and he has done a much better job of trying to keep his promises than any politician I can remember having watched, or any politician I watched going through the campaign.
And, you know, if you look at what he's had to beat back from the Democrats and from Congress, it's extraordinary.
Now, you know, Trump's great strength is he brings transparency to a lot more than any politician we've seen since Kennedy.
So, he, I think one of the reasons he upsets so many people is he's so, you know, he sort of brings up things that they're used to not having brought up.
So, the swamp doesn't like that he's turning on the lights.
At the same time, you know, if you look at the criticisms of a variety of his ex cabinet officers, you know, Trump is an entrepreneur who's used to a small family operation.
He's not used to running global diplomacy and, And there's no doubt he hurts a lot of people's feelings.
Yeah.
And he stings a lot of people's feelings.
And, you know, he's a fighter.
And so he can use a bazooka where a kind word might work.
So he's not a diplomat.
And that is dangerous in many respects.
So that's been the big criticism of Trump.
And that's why, you know, the danger on the impeachment was the Republican establishment would try and pull the plug.
Yeah.
Because.
He's hurt a lot of feelings.
Now, a lot of times I see him hurt feelings, I'm laughing because he's right.
I know you're talking about Mitt Romney.
I can tell.
Every time I see Trump pull the rug out from under Mitt Romney, I'm like, give that man another headline and another donation.
That's an honest man.
So here's the thing if you systematically go through Trump's policies and not his style, he makes significantly more sense than.
Any of the Democrats that I can tell, other than Tulsi Gabbard.
And it's inconceivable to me that the Democrats will really push Tulsi Gabbard to the forefront.
Right.
She's a dark horse for them.
Well, here's the thing the reason we can't create a win win model between the Popsicle Index and the Dow Jones is we have a national security state, which is, from a financial standpoint, completely and utterly out of control.
And If anything, Trump's encouraged it.
You know, if you look at his, his, now part of the, part of his challenge was, okay, how do we rebuild the military fast?
Well, part of the way you do that is you don't take time to re engineer, you throw money at it.
But, you know, so, so we have a national security state and a war model which is out of control.
And Dulcie, Dulcie Gabbard is trying to get us to talk about that.
She's right.
Yeah.
So, right.
So, so that's an honest conversation we need to have.
So, I don't see anyone on the Democrat side who can beat Trump.
Let's just talk pure politics.
Who can beat him?
I don't see anyone.
Do you?
Well, certainly not Biden, that's for sure.
No, no.
No one who's in the race now could do it.
And I think that's why Bloomberg jumped in, because he's looking to be there to broker the convention.
Yeah.
Of course, one of the questions is can the You know, can the Democrats be talked into financing Clinton for a third time?
And amazing.
I just can't imagine that they would do that.
But, you know, if you were like the Adley Stevenson of the 2000s, I mean, they just keep running this, you know.
Well, but here's what I don't understand.
What I don't understand, Daniel, is why the Democrats didn't sit down in 2016, instead of doing the Russia thing and the Ukraine thing, why didn't they sit down and figure out how to come up with a candidate that could beat Trump?
Uh huh.
Now, you know, I think.
I think there's so much commitment by the deep state to do the climate change op and the transgender stuff that they would rather use the Democratic side to promote the occult.
I'll just call it that.
Yeah.
So the Democrats are in charge of marketing subhumanism and free money and the climate change ops so that they can continue to engineer central control.
Right.
And it's more important to use the Democrats that way.
Then it's almost like the Democrats are in charge of incoherence and creating incoherence, and they're more effective for the deep state that way than they are winning.
Right, right.
That's an interesting point, actually, which is they don't seem to be playing to win.
Well, let me ask you a question.
We have known for two decades that the one way to destroy the dollar as reserve currency is to make sure that the Russians and the Chinese get together.
You know, and they also get together with Germany.
And we have done everything in our power to engineer that.
And it's happening.
Well, but it looks to me like we're doing everything we can to make it happen.
Do you know how hard it is to get those guys to get along?
Yeah.
You know, the Russians lost 20 plus million people during World War II.
Yes.
So if you look at the natural reasons why China and Russia should not trust each other, you know, they just build a bridge now.
So, so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So if you look at all the natural antipathies between Russia and Germany and China and Russia, you know, it's very hard to get those guys together.
But if you look at what the Americans have done, particularly the Democrats, for the last five years, it's almost like they're committed to making sure we don't end up the reserve currency.
Wow.
Yes.
Absolutely.
And what does that mean?
I guess Pocahontas wants to take us back to wampum.
That's pretty good.
So, it is a very, very interesting point.
It is very interesting.
That needs to be probed very deeply.
So, I want to come back when we publish the state of our currency.
I want to come back because if you look at what's been going on in the currency area, it puts a very different light on the Shriekameter and what the Shriekameter is really up to.
And that's coming out in January?
Yeah.
Okay, fantastic.
We'll have you back for that.
Some of the operations we've been seeing, like the major media push we're looking at, what do you think they're aiming for?
Who do you think is behind it exactly?
I think one of the things they're trying to do with climate change or these various techniques is to stop that kind of natural ability of the general population to say, you know, we're going to shun the things we don't want.
You know, if something's harmful to people, we don't want to support it.
We're going to shun it.
So, they're trying to channel that in a way that it doesn't turn around.
So, you have all the big monopoly players.
You have Larry Fink last year writing his letter saying, You know, we have to be socially responsible, and all you little people, you should trust us to channel your social responsibility money.
We can channel it so it won't hurt us.
And so you have all the big monopoly players who've done all this stuff now touting these.
Oh, we're going to make sure your money gets invested in things that are good for.
So it's all.
It's amazing because Bloomberg's campaign, the first thing they started to drag out about him is these comments when he said, you know, it would be good to tax poor people because we'll get them to stop doing and being able to afford things that are harmful to them.
Right.
That's some billionaire disconnection there.
I'll tell you my big fear, and we're seeing this a lot.
I'm trying to think of some of the different examples.
I tend to put them on my Twitter feed.
We are seeing so many different examples.
When I left Washington and had to completely convert who I knew, what I knew, I was going back and looking at my old Rolodex.
You know, I had like a thousand cards.
Everybody was the partner law firm, the CEO of a company, you know, or a partner in an investment bank.
I didn't, the only people I sort of hung out with and knew, with rare exception, other than people I'd gone to college with, were, you know, sort of at the very height of the professional milieu.
And, you know, I had to leave that world and go join the Hickory Valley Women's Club.
I'll never forget my first meeting at the Hickory Valley Women's Club.
They spent an hour and a half talking about whether we should buy the chairs.
In Bolivar at the local hardware store, and it was a difference of like, I don't know, a dollar a chair.
And finally, at the end of an hour and a half, I was dying, and I said, If I write a check, can we talk about something else?
You know, because it's just, you know, it's more expensive for me to listen to this than anyway.
But you know, you go from a world where you're doing billion dollar deals to you spend an hour and a half trying to figure out which chair you buy because you can save a dollar, right?
Yes.
And you learn a lot about why people behave the way they behave, why they do.
You know, it's a very different risk profile.
And what I discovered was I really thought I knew how the world worked and how local economies worked and how small business worked.
I thought I knew all of that stuff.
And I got an enormous education from 1998 on.
So I've had a 20 year education about how little I knew.
And it's a very humbling and very educational experience.
And now I'm turning around and watching all these other.
Leaders who spent the last 20 years in the establishment.
And, you know, they're smart people.
They're hardworking people.
A lot of them are productive people.
They have not a clue how things work bottom up.
Because the whole economy has been so oversubsidized by federal credit and federal programs and federal everything.
It's what I always said people who win in a rig game get stupid.
And you've got a lot of, you know, to a certain extent, I feel badly because I think there are a lot of good people who want to do the right thing and they just have not a clue how the economy works.
Amazing.
And this is the important kind of reform and education that's required.
Well, I mean, I think we all, the problem with the amount of secrets we've had in this economy since 1947 is you end up, you know, it's like an orchestra that's playing in the dark and nobody can read the score and nobody shares the same score and you get noise.
So, We have to find a way to lower the secrecy.
And of course, we're going the opposite way with FASB 56.
Right.
If anything, that takes us, yeah, that takes us even further black.
Right.
But, you know, what you're doing is you're running the money very differently from what we say we're doing, and we're running it very differently than if we were going to optimize and have a model where the Dow Jones and the Popsicle Index were friends.
So, but we're also thinking we can solve all the problems that come from that and the unhappiness that comes from that with entrainment and mind control and the shriek of meter and distractions like the impeachment and all this other stuff.
And the reality is.
You're talking about a massively unproductive economy and massive amounts of money going to things that aren't productive when, in fact, we need research.
I mean, people are homeless.
People are not eating properly.
People are lacking all sorts of opportunities.
So, entrepreneurs are lacking capital to build their businesses.
You can't waste this much money on social control and engineering when you have legitimate needs going unfunded.
And at the same time, you have people all over the world who are sick and tired of subsidizing us.
Through our reserve currency status or through our capital market status, they're getting tired of it and they're watching the waste.
I mean, if you're sitting and you're a hardworking small business person in Eastern Europe and you're watching the waste of the impeachment and the Russia canard, you think we're crazy.
Oh, I can tell you.
I mean, when you walk around here, of course, I'm in Cambridge and there are people hooked into MSNBC.
Thinking that they're in like 1974 Watergate hearings or something because they've been entrained with this, and they think that they're like, Well, I wonder what's going to happen when Trump is evicted from office, you know.
And well, here's the thing, Daniel you know, I'm kind of a free and inspired life.
If you want to walk in hooked around to MSNBC and believe all that stuff, I honor your right to do that.
Yeah, but if you ask me to subsidize your doing that, you know, and if you look around the world.
You know, the world is full of 7 billion people, most of whom have real problems, and they're not prepared to subsidize your la la land.
That's the message.
The message that's coming, and you're going to hear it loud and clear after the 2020 election, is the world is not interested in subsidizing, you know, our la la land.
Right.
And so it's time to get real.
Inflation Trends and Land Scenarios00:05:11
Yep.
Wow.
It's time for each one of us to say, okay, how can I be useful?
How can I be productive?
Really?
Not in the fantasy land, but really.
It's hard to do because if you look at the amount of misinformation, disinformation, and entrainment that's been layered on to all of us, it's significant.
It's hard to be productive in this economy.
You know, a number of years ago, I asked you, How many lengths ahead in this information race and us catching up to Mr. Global?
And you were saying, well, Mr. Global is many lengths ahead.
Where are we now?
Further behind.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
That's problematic.
Right.
I don't think your listeners or my subscribers are further behind, but I think that as a society, we're further behind.
Yeah.
Oh, well, that's problematic.
Well, let's hope that the inflation rate next year doesn't double.
I mean, that's if you look at the broad economics of our situation, it's very deflationary.
But if you look at the U.S. situation and anybody who's been bubbled by the dollar's reserve currency, if the BRICS start to build significant capacity away, we're going to see the inflation rate on household goods sneak up.
And, you know, one of the scenarios I'm going to have, we do the scenario planning in our annual wrap up.
One of the scenarios I'm going to have for the annual wrap up is the inflation rate for household goods in the United States doubles.
Amazing.
In 2020.
I'm not saying it's going to happen.
I'm just saying it's a scenario that we need to be prepared for.
So we'll round all this out with the 21 trillion.
And people can go and follow that at themissingmoney.solari.com.
And you're posting the updates regularly there.
Right.
So if you're interested in Solary or the wrap ups, come to Solary.com.
But we have all the missing money information available at missingmoney.solary.com.
We wanted to separate that out and make sure that all of that information is available to the public for free.
It's not part of the subscription service.
We didn't want to.
Obviously, if you want to get the hardcover wrap up, we have a promotion now.
So it's a great time to come in and get the and sign up for the Solary report if you're interested.
But it's incredible.
Yeah, it's incredible value.
It really is like that.
Full briefing of the entire scene in just a little bit.
Well, you know, I was very spoiled because when you're at the top of Wall Street or the top of Washington, you're used to getting great Intel.
And of course, that's what makes, you know, the whole key on Wall Street is the guy with 4% information makes money because everybody else has got 3%.
So you pay a lot when you're managing money or you're doing investment banking, you pay a lot of money for Intel and you get the best Intel in the world.
And it makes all the difference.
And the important thing is not day to day to day.
It's great if you have it, but you know the big trends.
So you know the big long term trends.
And that's why it was so appalling for me when the housing bubble started because it was clear what the big long term trend was.
If you were in the middle class, you needed to pay down your debt and radically increase your learning metabolism and skills if you were going to survive in globalization.
And instead, what they did was they kept everybody, you know, they dumped everybody down and said, get up, you know, buy a big house and get more debt.
And it was the trip to hell.
And we knew it was an entrapment.
We knew the student loan debt, we knew it was an entrapment.
The housing that's why I said every student loan or every mortgage other than mine after 1996 was fraudulent inducement.
Wow, yeah, wow, remarkable.
You well, you've provided so much free information out there with Solari.com and with your interviews and educating the public on this.
They go want to go deeper, they have the books, and they can become a member of Solari.
You do Solari meetings around the country also, so that's a very kind of thriving community.
Well, what I try and do is when I drive around, I try and get people together because, Daniel, one of the great things about doing what I do is I travel all over the world all the time and I'm just meeting with great people all the time and having great, I'm always learning because our subscribers are so intelligent and so knowledgeable, you know, and they're always teaching me, you know, every time I think I know what's going on, I get educated by another subscriber about what I don't know.
And, you know, so I'm in a world of people who are very open minded and very knowledgeable.
Forrestal, Whack, and Wrong Turns00:12:47
And what I hear from my subscribers, the biggest complaint is I'm so alone.
Everybody's walking around, you know, believing the blue chicken op is real.
And so I feel lonely.
I feel isolated.
And so what I do when I travel around is try and get everybody together so they can meet the other people in the place.
I just, I found that getting to know people through online systems is not the way to go.
So, Having events.
We're going to be up in Malvern, Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia in December.
Oh, yeah.
And we did one last year in Malvern right before Christmas.
I'm going to do another one.
In your own neighborhood.
Yeah.
Well, no, I grew up in the city.
This is the main line.
So the Malvern's a little nicer than where I grew up.
But I bank in Malvern.
So it's right across from my bank.
And so there's a beautiful restaurant that gets food from all the local farmers.
It's wonderful.
Wow.
Anyway, so we get everybody together.
Yeah, we had people from New York, Maryland, Virginia, Pennsylvania.
Somebody came from California.
You know, it's funny because people during the holidays are visiting family.
So you never quite know who shows up or where they might come from.
But anyway, it's a way for people to meet and then get to know each other and then they continue.
And it's so funny because two of the most fun we did, we did in New York, the 21 Club, my old haunt, 21.
And we had 45 subscribers at the 21 Club.
Two years in a row.
And what was interesting, Daniel, within an hour, it looked like they had known each other for 20 years.
Amazing.
They went from being complete strangers to, you know, it looked like a little furball of puppies or something.
We took two groups of subscribers down to Uluru in Australia in 2018.
Right.
And there was one trip where you got to Cave Hill to see all sorts of different Aborigine paintings and formations.
So, we drove three and a half hours out and three and a half hours back.
And our guides told us that we were the only group in the history of their tour group that had talked the whole way out and the whole way back.
Oh, nice.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, anyway, so that's the goal.
To me, what I'm trying to build is an actionable intelligence network where it's not us giving actionable intelligence to the network, it's the network circulating actionable intelligence.
You know, throughout the network, and we're making each other smarter.
So, we're trying to build a field of shared intelligence of people who are really trying to help each other get intelligence.
One of my favorite fiction authors, Andrew Vax, has an expression he says, Your family are the people who don't turn you in.
So, I want to build a network of people who, you know, watch each other's back.
That's a morphogenic field.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, you know, I'm always saying at the end of every Celery Report, I always say, Don't worry about whether or not there is a conspiracy.
If you're not in one, you need to start one.
That's your classic.
My latest roundup ends with a quote from George, a takeoff on George Carlin speaking about the Solari team.
It's a club and you're in it.
Ah, right.
Catherine, it's great to see you.
It's great to see you, Daniel.
And we talk soon.
Everyone will be at Solari.com picking these up and getting smart for 2020.
Right.
And for the 2020 campaign, if you go to a town hall meeting, if you are involved in the campaign at all, start asking questions about that missing money.
You can get it back.
I think it's crucial.
You can get it back because we can get stock certificates in the space station, right?
We can get a common law right of offset.
And you can come to the table with political leverage saying, wait a minute, you get 21 trillion, you disappeared 21 trillion.
You gave 24 trillion to the banks.
What do you mean there's not 5 trillion for the pension funds?
So, this is real leverage, and this is leverage you can use to get the money back.
I think the independent media has the ability to push this.
And so, let's see it on the ground.
I would love to see this go viral.
This is the thing I think that can open up the conversation.
Like you said, in 2020, it's a political campaign.
Everyone's going to be talking anyway.
Might as well get them talking about something significant and worthwhile.
Right, right.
And something we all share.
Right.
This is everybody.
Whatever your little flavor of the week is, it includes that.
Yes.
Right.
Absolutely.
You know, it's fascinating.
One of the things that I have to say in closing is you were doing, and he's come up a number of times in my own work, some information putting out about James Forrestal as the former defense secretary who was assassinated.
I sat.
Forrestal's portrait stared at me through so many lunches in the partners' dining rooms.
I can't tell you how many times, and I think there was a subliminal message to all the partners at Dylan Reed be very, very careful.
It's a dangerous world.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I, for many, many years, I tried to figure out who killed Forrestal and why.
And I really believe Dave Martin in this latest book gave me the information we needed to kind of say, okay, here's what I think happened.
So, we did a big Solari report, and I did a review of the book and got Dave Martin on.
And it was very personally gratifying for me to kind of come to it.
It's one of the assassination mysteries I've tried to solve in my life.
And one of the interesting things, because you had Dr. Farrell on the book he wrote with McCarthy, I think there is a direct thread from the assassination of Forrestal to the assassination of McCarthy to the assassination of Kennedy.
And if you look at it as one continuous thread in the growth of the black budget, the world makes so much more sense.
Incredible.
Yeah.
For me, it was very gratifying because I used to look at that picture all the time and think, what did Forrestal do and how did they get him?
And it's amazing because those threads of him with Kennedy being so tight.
Right.
Him taking to Kennedy in post war Berlin before he was even a congressman.
I mean, it's really interesting.
I have it in a frame in my house.
One of the most impactful photographs of my life was when I saw the photograph of Kennedy going on an unscheduled surprise visit.
He was over at Arlington Cemetery for an official reason, but he just said to his detail, wait, I want to go see Forrestal's grave.
And he went for an unscheduled stop to visit Forrestal's grave.
And you can tell because, you know, I'm sure Kennedy knew what got Forrestal killed.
And he was trying to figure out what he was going to do in terms of bringing transparency to the black budget.
And so, for him to go have an unscheduled stop so he could confer with Forrestal.
And that was the year he was killed.
Remarkable.
Yeah, it's a magic moment.
So, I have it.
I have it as I walk out of my office, there's a bookshelf, and it's there to remind me every day.
I've seen that picture, it is quite a unique photo.
And the fact that it was taken at all.
Yeah.
But then, you going through all this at Dylan Reed as a partner and seeing Forrestal there.
It's kind of interesting fate lines.
Well, you know, I hate to say this.
I'm going to take it personal.
There are two mysteries that I wanted, two deaths that I wanted to solve who killed Forrestal and why, and who killed my mother and why.
Right.
And it took the whole process of the litigation and coming through that and all the research to come to a point where I felt like, okay, you know, I think I have the answer.
Right.
Right.
To be continued.
Well, we'll have a conversation about that for sure.
Well, for anybody who wants to know, I wrote, you know, during the litigation, they would whack me and then I would whack them on something that they cared about.
One of the things I discovered pretty early on nobody cared about me and my litigation.
So I couldn't whack them back on the litigation.
I had to whack them back on something that the general population cared about.
So, but at one point they did a particularly bad whack and I said, okay, that's it.
And I wrote Meditations at the Crossroads, which is about my mother's death.
So that was my whack back.
I'm still waiting on my father.
I've got that one written.
I'm waiting for the.
Yes.
And Meditation at the Crossroads is available at Solari.
Oh, yeah.
I published it in 2004 publicly.
Oh, yeah.
No, I read it.
It's fascinating.
And I think it's important for people to understand about the larger picture of your work, also.
Yeah.
Well, that was one reason on the.
You know, they tried to settle the litigation in 1998.
And I refused because they weren't going to pay Hamilton the money that they owed the company.
And I just said, no, you know, I'd seen too many, too many times when sort of the military industrial complex has stolen or done harm.
And the most important point, I think, and I described this in the Dylan Reed story if you look at what they were doing with globalization and the building out of the national security state, I believe they were making a mistake.
If you look at the direction they were taking, I think they had taken a wrong turn.
And I just felt, you know, I can't go along with this.
It's not just that it's wrong, it's that it's stupid.
Right.
Where they're going is more wasteful and more harmful than they need to do to get done whatever they need to get done.
And so there's something.
Wrong with, you know, and I very much take this back to the George H.W. Bush and the Bush group and Cheney.
So if you look at George H.W. Bush and Cheney, you know, they were people who had become too frustrated with the general population.
You know, when you're managing a group of people and they don't know what you know, you get very frustrated with them because they strike you as so stupid.
And then you try and manage things with entrainment and manipulation and a variety of tactics.
So, you get this cycle of disrespect.
And if you look at the cycle of disrespect that had happened between people like Bush and Cheney and the general population, it was in a downward spiral.
And I just felt it was going in the wrong direction and I didn't want to be a part of it.
No question.
But something put you in there to get a glimpse of it so that you would understand it.
It seems like it's almost like you had.
Oh, I know what that was.
That's called bad luck.
And yet, without that experience, you wouldn't be able to really give people a picture of what's happening.
Well, it was really funny.
You know, I always said to people, my one prayer was always, you know, I kept looking for a way to get out.
And, you know, I kept praying, Lord, get me out.
You know, I want out of this.
I kept trying to get away.
How do I get away?
You know, if I go to the other side of the planet, can I get away?
And, and finally, you know, I got my wish because they threw me out.
And the funny thing about it is, by being thrown out somehow, you know, then I can get out.
But I, next time when I pray, I'm going to say, Lord, can I get out in a way that's very profitable and easy and comfortable for me?
It's good to be specific.
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Right.
Right.
Yeah.
But it's that great, uh, Decades long battle in a way that shaped everything that you were going to do.
So it is, it's a tough one.
Well, I would say it was the outward bound of my MBA.
So I had the outward bound MBA program.
Catherine, it's great to see you.
Okay.
If I don't talk to you before Christmas, have a great holiday.
Okay.
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