Dr. Joseph Farrell argues Senator McCarthy's hearings exposed a deep state network involving the Vatican, Freemasons, and Nazis hiding UFO technology at Fort Monmouth. He claims the "Black Budget" funds secret plasma research, links the Roswell crash to radar tests, and suggests the EU was a failed Nazi project to secularize Europe. Farrell posits that modern physics masks ether-based Tesla tech while hidden gold and steganographic clues in the Centennial Time Capsule reveal a global financial war orchestrated by occult elites against Christianity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Deep Connection to UFO File00:03:45
And we are live.
This is Dark Journalist.
It's a fantastic crowd tonight.
And we have a very special show for you.
It's X Series Episode 52 with Dr. Joseph Farrell, who is with us now.
Joseph, it's great to see you.
Good to see you, Daniel.
Thanks for having me back.
We got an echo there, but it's gone now.
It's great to have you back, Joseph.
One of the brilliant things that just happened is you've released this new book, and I'm going to get right to it, which is Joseph McCarthy Monmouth.
And the deep state.
This is an interesting book.
And the minute it came out, and from talking with you, I knew you had a major scoop here.
And one of the kind of crazy things about this book is I think that you are showing this deep, deep connection to the UFO file in the McCarthy hearings, which is absolutely staggering.
How did you start to get into it, and how much of this material is new in that there are transcripts that came out that you've been going through?
Well, this started, you know, I'm from South Dakota.
And Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
And I was a boy when the senior senator from South Dakota was still Senator Carl Munt.
And of course, he was the chairman of the Army McCarthy hearings.
And Senator Munt was one of the few senators who voted not to censure Senator McCarthy.
He was kind of a close friend of Senator McCarthy.
So when he was senator, he would fill the libraries, the public libraries in the eastern part of the state where he was from, with books about.
McCarthy and books that were predominantly prose.
So I grew up in a milieu where he was not the excoriated figure that he came to be.
So I was always kind of intensely curious about him and started reading, you know, way back in junior high school about him.
And he, I could never figure out what all the hoopla was for.
You know, it just struck me as very odd.
There was something missing.
Right.
So, you know, that intuition kind of kept with me.
And then the, In the previous book, The Third Way, I mentioned, you know, you've got, and we've talked about this before on your show, we've got all of these committees that just spring up like overnight after the end of the Second World War and with the congressional elections of 1946 that are investigating various aspects,
you know, all the way through the 40s, through the 50s, even the early 60s, investigating various aspects of different groups, communists, mafia, and so on and so forth, penetrating the federal government.
So I had it in my mind.
To do a book on what I called the committee era and to try and figure out what connections, if any, there were between the people in these committees and the people that they're calling in front of these committees.
And so I finally found online a compact disc version of the actual congressional record transcripts of the McCarthy Monmouth hearings when he was chairman of the Senate government oversight.
Operations Committee and then the Permanent Investigation Subcommittee.
And I, Daniel, I started reading these transcripts.
It's, yeah, I just, I just thought, whoa, where's this coming from?
You know, because you've got the usual stuff, you know, have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
Did you know the Rosenbergs?
Uncovering Hidden Transcripts00:02:51
You've got that, certainly.
And hundreds of pages of it, I might add.
But interspersed throughout these transcripts, there are repeated references.
The first reference I ran across was Senator McCarthy asking a witness, Well, you've got all these missing documents that went missing, and they destroyed the top secret registers for the documents at Fort Monmouth.
And could these have been records of something that may have disappeared around?
June or July of 1947.
There's some good timing.
There's some good timing.
And I'm thinking, whoa, he didn't just say that because that's, of course, the Roswell year and the Roswell month.
And I'm thinking, no, this can't be.
This is a one off.
McCarthy's going fishing and he just pulls this date out of his head.
Well, I kept reading these transcripts and Daniel over and over and over and over.
The year 1947 keeps coming up and it keeps coming up in the strangest of contexts.
At one point, Senator McCarthy just drops this little bomb right into the middle of the hearing and he says, Oh, yeah, those planes are being shot down until 1947.
There's the year again.
Our planes are being shot down.
I know, but who's, yeah, by who?
Boy, I would say start with the TKO and that was a total TKO.
Of course, we're joined by the lovely Olivia.
Hi, everybody.
And I want to remind everyone we're going to take questions in the second half of the program.
So put them all in caps.
You can ask them now, and she's going to arrange them and put them together for us in the second half.
We're going to go deep into this book.
I want to show something.
This is the book that we're talking about.
Now, Joseph, you actually changed the cover of this book almost immediately after it was published.
Yeah, Walter Bosley sent along a cover that he did for me, and I liked it so much, I decided to change out the cover.
It's the exact same book.
Exact same book, right?
Okay, so there's no confusion there.
It's just that Walter had a creative streak going.
That's a great cover.
It is.
I like it a lot.
Yes, fantastic.
But it is, in fact, the same book.
But I guess this one's going to be the collector's item now.
It's like, this was the one before they changed the cover.
There's a few fascinating things, and you were getting right into it there.
Let's start with this.
We're going to go deep into McCarthy and his hearings.
We understand the traditional.
Aspect, just this kind of un American activities thing was hot then.
And then he started the Red Scare with going after the communist inside government.
McCarthy's Powerful Backers Revealed00:15:29
And there are people, very high ranking people, who were on his side in the beginning.
And he actually was getting results.
And then things changed later.
So that's kind of like a nutshell, including the fact that you brought it up many times.
And you brought it up actually in the Third Wave book, which is an incredible precursor to this book, I would say.
Is that right?
Yeah, I definitely view the book that way.
Yeah.
It's fascinating, too, because that book was kind of like signaling to this book.
It was like you were just starting to open up about why the McCarthy part was so important.
And we find some very incredible characters hovering around these committees in that period, especially the Kennedys.
And their presence is very unusual because, for a number of reasons, you know.
People would think, well, McCarthy shun him, whatever, and they're actually backing him.
In fact, Robert Kennedy is on one of his committees, right?
Council.
Right.
Well, Robert Kennedy, and people who haven't read The Third Way may not realize this, but Robert Kennedy held McCarthy in very high regard to the extent that even after the censure, when McCarthy had died and they flew him back to be buried, had the funeral in Wisconsin, Robert Kennedy secretly attended McCarthy's funeral in Wisconsin.
That's extraordinary.
Yeah, it really is.
And during the censure vote, his older brother, Senator Kennedy, later President Kennedy, Conveniently arranged for back surgery on his back during the censure vote so he wouldn't have to be even present to cast a vote one way or the other.
Yes.
So, you know, it was a very strange relationship between McCarthy and the Kennedys, but he was held in high regard by Joseph Kennedy and Robert Kennedy, particularly John F. Kennedy, not so much, but he was certainly a supporter of him.
No question.
Yeah, no question about it.
So, you know, he garnered all sorts of very strange people around him.
It's a who's who, quite literally.
Absolutely.
And it came out of nowhere like a fireball.
Oh, yeah.
Here's Wisconsin, which was not as a state in terms of playing on the national stage, it didn't have much of a role at that point.
Right.
And so he was from a state that wouldn't be considered all that powerful, like California or New York, D.C.
But here he is coming out and he gives this speech at a certain point.
Point and everything changes where he sort of calls out the establishment and their kind of tough.
Well, that was the famous Wheeling, West Virginia speech, which really kind of launched him on the national stage.
And during the speech, he claimed to have had a list of security risks in the State Department and other parts of the government.
And he emphasized the fact that this list was known to the government and that nothing had been done, that some of these people were still working.
And then during the speech, He said, you know, that some of these people, 57 or so, are either card carrying members of the party or very sympathetic to it.
And this started a numbers wrangle between the Democrats in the Senate and the White House and Senator McCarthy.
And when he got back, he was on a political stumping tour.
It was, you know, he did not expect this speech to just blow up.
And he got back to Washington and, um, He was immediately accosted and he presented these cases from a list that had been drawn up for the House Appropriations Committee, the so called Lee list.
And he goes through these cases.
He does not, you know, one mythology that we have to dispel right away is that McCarthy was needlessly shaming and smearing people on the floor of the Senate and naming names.
This is not what he did.
He actually referred to these cases by numbers.
It was the Democrats urging him.
When he gave that speech to name the names, which he refused to do.
He kept saying, well, the senators can come by and get the list and see the names.
Well, this didn't play well, needless to say, for the Democratic majority at the time.
So, what they did was they set up the Tidings Committee to investigate, ostensibly to investigate Senator McCarthy's charges.
What it ended up being was an investigation of Senator McCarthy.
Right.
And.
And McCarthy, you know, you just have to read some of the recent scholarship on him, Stanton Evans, Arthur Herman, because it's very clear that the Tidings Committee was set up to, you know, smear the guy.
And eventually it was discovered by Stanton Evans that the intention of the Tidings Committee was to present him in such a bad light that they could present a vote for censure even then.
Wow.
And he manages to evade that because they pulled some fast ones, like deleting entire portions of Senator Lodge's questions from the transcript.
And then on the day that the committee's findings are settled, they're presented by Senator Tidings to the full Senate.
And Tidings brings in a record player because, again, the Democrats were maintaining that McCarthy had said 205.
And McCarthy kept saying, well, it was only 57 that I mentioned in the speech.
And I get into this in the third way of the actual numbers and so on and so forth.
But Tidings brought in a record player, a little portable phonograph record player, into the Senate chamber and said, and I have here a recording, holds up this record, a recording of Senator McCarthy's actual speech, and I'll play it for you and prove to you that he lied.
The problem was, Tidings didn't have any such thing whatsoever.
Because the radio station that had recorded McCarthy's speech in Wheeling, West Virginia, had erased the tape.
Nobody had a recording of the speech.
It was a PR stunt.
It was a PR stunt.
Yeah.
So, you know, Tidings ended up not being reelected when it was finally exposed that he had lied to the Senate.
And of course, no one brought up the idea of censuring Tidings for lied.
Everybody was being thrown under the bus.
Everybody was being thrown under the bus.
I mean, it's like the Miller investigation, you know, for crying out loud.
There's all this media hoopla.
And in the end, it turns out that, yeah, he had a genuine list.
It was known to the government, blah, blah, blah.
And Tidings was trying to, you know, create lots of smoke.
So that's how all this gets started.
And McCarthy, when the Republicans sweep in 1952 and gain control of the Senate, then of course, McCarthy gets his own committee.
Which is the Government Operations Committee.
And that's where he begins his actual hearings.
And if you look at these hearings carefully, he zeroes right in almost immediately on Fort Monmouth, New Jersey, where there's all this classified top secret radar research going on.
And the reason he does is that the Rosenbergs had an espionage cell operating in Fort Monmouth.
Right.
And we should mention that the Rosenbergs were actually.
Killed, they faced the electric chair for espionage.
And the fact that they were connected to Monmouth, which is one of our most top secret bases, and you found out just how top secret in this case, you know, it's interesting.
This was the atmosphere, and it's interesting to go to this atmosphere that existed there.
Of course, sending them to the electric chair in public like that was devastating for the society.
It just showed this incredible threat of, you know, kind of, you know, these countries spying on America to get atomic secrets and spies within our government who are trying.
Scientists and all the rest.
We had Elder Hiss and all that before that.
Right, right.
And the thing we have to remember when McCarthy starts these investigations, the individual that he hires as his chief counsel for that committee is none other than Roy Cohn.
Yes.
You know, and you cannot get a more infamous name in American jurisprudence than Roy Cohn.
There's a real deep stater, if ever there was.
There's a real deep stater there.
And Roy Cohn, I think McCarthy hires because Cohn had been involved in the prosecution of the Rosenbergs and Morton Sobel and all these people that were part of that ring.
So, you know, when he goes after Fort Monmouth, the army.
I can just imagine the alarm bells that get set off in the Pentagon because, you know, oh my God, we've got this senator, you know, probing Fort Monmouth and Roy Cohn is.
All right.
So you have an attack dog and a deep attack dog.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Let's mention a couple of interesting things about Cohn.
Cohn has a very interesting resume.
Oh, yeah.
Backwards and forwards.
One of the main things that we should point out to bring everything right up to the present time is he was the major political mentor of President Trump.
Yep.
And there's a picture there of them together.
Now, let's contrast that picture with this shot of Cone during this period that you're talking about when he is McCarthy's major counsel.
Yep.
So we've got their back to front.
This is the extension of this whole kind of legacy.
And then one other one in the middle of all this, of course, that is Bobby Kennedy with Senator McCarthy.
Yep.
So now we have.
Kind of a vista.
Saying, hmm, Roy Cohn, Trump, all the way on this end of the spectrum, setting him up politically.
And Roy Cohn, early stage, during this battle that's taking place between these forces that you've referred to.
And you've done a brilliant job of this, which is outlining that after the war, there's still a battle inside of the national security state, inside of the government, over these two forces.
Yes.
Fascist.
Forces coming out of Nazi Germany's defeat, and the communist forces angling to do espionage.
And that battle goes right through the government.
And it seems like these committees, on some level, are trying to get right into the heart of that.
Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
McCarthy, since we're talking about this factional background, I think it's a good point to introduce this aspect of McCarthy's backers.
When he was first elected to the Senate in 1946, some of his most powerful backers were the owner of the Chicago Herald Tribune and a family of industrialists in Wisconsin by the name of Harnisch Faker.
And they're German.
I was going to say, it sounds like a German name.
Oh, yeah, it's very German.
And this family, before the war, openly boasted and was proud of its association with Adolf Hitler.
One of their family members had an autographed.
Copy of Mein Kampf and so on and so forth.
So you've got this kind of quasi fascist connection of financial backers behind Senator McCarthy.
And in addition to this, Daniel, McCarthy was also good friends with, guess who? Clint Murchison and H.L. Hunt.
Unbelievable.
And we know from the JFK research of Peter Dale Scott that those Texas oil men had a direct pipeline to.
General Galen's intelligence outfit in West Germany, which was nothing but the good old Nazi intelligence outfit from World War II.
It transferred directly over to the United States.
Right.
That is fascinating.
And it makes a really compelling case because, of course, those are two of the biggest or richest oil men in the country at that point.
So they were getting real deep state aspects around this.
Yes, there are very, very deep, deep state aspects around McCarthy.
The other thing that's interesting about his potential backers is that McCarthy himself stated at one point that he, I'm getting a little bit of feedback here.
You sound okay here.
Okay.
McCarthy mentioned in 1952 that when he first came to Washington, he had dinner with the then Secretary of the Navy, John Forrestal.
Ah.
And let's look at Forrestal.
Forrestal was Roman Catholic.
He was mentioned on the Magic 12 documents as being one of the first members of that committee.
Yes.
Whatever you want to say about the Magic 12 documents.
And Forrestal, like the Kennedys, like McCarthy, was also Roman Catholic.
Yes.
So, you've got that playing in the background.
That was a friend of Jack Kennedy.
Yeah.
So, James Forrestal, Jack Kennedy, Eugene McCarthy, all Catholic.
Yeah.
Joseph McCarthy.
Yes.
And in addition to this, at the time, the famous columnist Drew Pearson maintained that McCarthy got his start in this anti communist push from a dinner that he attended at Georgetown.
And if you give any credence to that story, you know, Drew Pearson was kind of a yellow journalist muckraker, quite frankly.
But if you give any credence to that story, that puts yet another kind of Catholic thing lurking in the background here.
And the interesting thing is that at that time, guess who's on the faculty at Georgetown?
Who?
Dr. Carol Quigley.
Wow.
Who, of course, wrote this massive tome, Tragedy and Hope, about how the international bankers are the ones.
And he even takes a little pot shot.
In Tragedy and Hope at Senator McCarthy by saying, well, you know, the right wing has gone after the wrong people.
It's really these people that are behind all of this stuff.
Wow, incredible.
And on top of that, I'm not done with backers yet.
If you want deep state backers, Roy Cohn, when he publishes his book in response to the movie Tail Gunner Joe with Peter Boyle, which is a horrible movie, I mean, it's just a defense of the standard narrative.
Well, Roy Cohn published a book in response to that, just to set the record straight.
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Okay.
And Roy Cohn states in his book that McCarthy was actually approached in November of 1949 by three people from the Pentagon.
And they were trying to shop for somebody in the Senate that would make this issue his own and bring it out in front of the public.
And McCarthy was on a short list of four senators.
And they.
He was last on the list.
They shopped it to three other senators.
The three other senators were interested.
They went to McCarthy.
McCarthy looked at the documents they gave him, took them home, studied them, spent a couple of hours sleeping, woke up and phoned one of these people from the Pentagon and said, I'm buying it.
And the timing here is what's interesting to me.
I don't doubt Cohn's version of this at all.
And I'll tell you why.
Because if you're the U.S. military and you see all of these security risks that, We were basically given a free ride during the Roosevelt era, and they're still there, and nothing has been done to get them out.
Then, yeah, you're going to take some action like this.
I suspect that Forrestal was either involved at some point in that little group, and when he died, the group decided to go ahead, or that Forrestal and this group had talked about it, and then when he died, they decided to go ahead on their own.
So they present this to McCarthy in November of 1949.
McCarthy takes that stumping speech tour he does in early 1950 as the opportunity to take this public.
Which he does.
And the rest is history, so to speak.
Wow.
Now, this makes so much sense because, like we said in the beginning, and as you've pointed out, he was kind of coming out of nowhere.
Yeah.
And he wasn't in a particularly powerful position.
Interestingly enough, that year 52 that you cited is the first year of Kennedy being in the Senate, also.
Yes.
So that's when he wins his election against Henry Cabot Lodge here in Boston.
Right.
Which is a big shakeup, actually.
Oh, huge.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
That's Kennedy money coming in, and there's a new.
There's a new sheriff in town.
Well, and even there with the election of Lodge, it's very interesting that Joseph Kennedy called up Senator McCarthy and asked him not to campaign for Senator Lodge, which McCarthy did not do.
And of course, Jack Kennedy goes on to become a senator.
Wow.
It is interesting.
There is this Catholic thing that we can't really understand looking back now, but basically, a Catholic becoming president in that period of time would have been kind of like a Mormon becoming president now.
It's kind of a mysterious religion at the time.
Like half the country doesn't know all of the things about it, and they wonder if their loyalty is to the Pope or to the Constitution.
Now, Al Smith, Governor Al Smith in the 20s, he tries to run for president and he gets run out of town basically for being a Catholic.
And, you know, Hoover wins.
But so what we're looking at is this kind of network going on there behind the scenes, and we've got Kennedy's dad.
Uh, you know, working in the background and having these kind of relationships, and then we have Forrestal, who's also Catholic, who's like friends and brings JFK as a congressman over to post war Berlin and gives him a tour of that because he's in charge of reconstruction.
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So we have a lot of, um, sort of deep ties there, and then in the middle of it, this exotic technology angle starts to show up.
It's like the great unusual places.
Let's take a look at a couple of those, okay?
Um, you Go deep into the transcripts and around the Monmouth, the Army base there, Fort Monmouth in New Jersey, where it turns out it looks like not just secret radar research is going on, but something having to do with deep, deep exotic technology.
And the question of the whole UFO file is coming right into these transcripts.
Yes.
There is actually a mention in these transcripts of tightening security because of Blue Book.
Right.
Yes.
That's historic.
That just gobsmacked me.
It's not enough that you have 1947, July 1947, July 1947 repeatedly popping up.
And at one point, in the context of somebody from Fort Monmouth, his name was Peter Rosmovsky, that had actually been sent to New Mexico to test their radars on the German V 2s that we were shooting off out there.
And he states in the transcripts, To Senator McCarthy, you know, how long were you there?
Well, I was there at the beginning of 1946.
I went back and then I came back out in early 1947 and I stayed there until July of 1947.
That's an interesting time to have a radar operator in New Mexico when the Roswell Daily Record is, oh, Army recovers flying saucer.
Yes.
Now, you know, people have to understand something about Senator McCarthy.
He had a very sharp mind, he was not a dummy.
And he had this extraordinary memory.
And it's clear from the chronology of the transcripts that when McCarthy earlier drops this July 1947 date, he's referring to this man's testimony.
Right.
And it's a way, in my opinion, of bringing up the whole Roswell subject without having to mention it by name.
Yes.
And on top of this, then the committee calls the guy that's the head of the radar research in front of the committee.
His name is Fred Bell, I think it was.
And Dr. Bell says, Yeah, you know, I was involved in a bunch of radar research involving compressional waves.
And that, you know, my suspicion meter went right into the red zone immediately when I read that.
And I'll tell you why in a minute.
And then he goes on to say, And I'm involved in some classified research that I can't even talk about.
And then Senator McCarthy says, Oh, and when did that begin?
Oh, well, it began, I think, around July of 1947.
I'm just okay.
So, in other words, what they're doing, in my opinion, is they're talking about Roswell without talking about it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, with that story having gone all over the country at the time, it's impossible that McCarthy would not have heard of it.
And we have to remember something else contextually here.
He becomes the chairman of the Government Operations Committee, which is the committee that reviews all of this stuff.
In 1952.
What happens in 1952?
The big UFO flap over Washington, D.C., that's tracked on radar.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
And you have the Robertson panel in that era.
But you're right pointing out the context because he would be very aware of the UFO issue going in and he would understand that what they are referring to relates to the UFO file.
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
In other words, people have to kind of read these transcripts.
In between the lines, so to speak, because you can tell if you read them carefully that the committee staff is not bringing things up by subject name, and Dr. Bell is trying to refer to that subject without referring to it when he says, Well, it's so highly classified, I can't talk about it.
And then bang, right into the middle of all this, there's this guy that says, Well, the regulations were changed, and now we've got something called Blue Book.
Well, folks, that's a UFO right there.
Right, exactly.
And in relation to Mama.
In relation to Monmouth.
Yes.
I mean, so Blue Book is having an effect directly on that base.
And it's interesting, too, because you get at a couple of different things here, which is, and you, oh, I wanted to mention that you said the compressional waves thing.
Oh, yeah.
That's Nazi tech, isn't it?
That's Nazi tech.
A compressional wave is a longitudinal wave.
Okay.
So, in other words, you're doing radar work now with Tesla waves.
You're doing radar work with what.
I compare it to Daniel to give your listeners an analogy to draw.
Is they're doing radar work in an early kind of Doppler radar, which can see into the structure of a plasma.
You know, a thunderstorm is effectively a temporal thermal gradient and a plasma.
So they're doing work with this kind of radar that sends out longitudinal electrical pulses, not the standard Hertz waves.
And I thought, wow, you know, they're doing this in 1947.
Incredible.
And it's remarkable, too, when you point this out, because you've made an incredibly good case in your books in tracking the UFO aspect in relation to their nuclear interest.
And so many people say, well, you know, they want to make sure that whoever is manning the UFOs.
They're trying to make sure that we don't blow up the world or whatever.
But you actually have pointed out that it's something about the reaction that takes place in the nuclear explosion.
And this gets us to Atomic Annie, which is part of this whole defense leaks and this very unusual story about a photographer taking pictures of this early nuclear cannon.
I'm going to say the word again nuclear cannon.
This is a cannon that fires many nukes.
Yeah, this Atomic Annie was an 11 inch.
In other words, the Boer is 11 inches wide, cannon that the U.S. Army, the official story is the U.S. Army ordered it in 1950 and one was ready for President Eisenhower's inauguration parade in 1953.
But if you read the transcripts, this is not true.
This cannon had been ordered earlier and was being tested, it was going through its proofing at Aberdeen's Proving Ground.
And again, this is another one of those things in the transcripts after reading about Rothschild's and You know, occupation money plates and which we haven't got to yet, right?
Yeah, congressional waves, July of 1947, constantly popping up.
It's uh, Atomic Annie, it comes up in the transcripts that Atomic Annie was photographed by one of the people from Fort Monmouth along with their equipment.
And if you read the transcripts carefully, what the witnesses are trying to get.
Across to the committee is that there was something going on with Atomic Annie that fired these nuclear projectiles that incidentally had a yield of 15 kilotons.
That's the same yield, approximately, as the bomb we dropped on Hiroshima.
So, in other words, in the short time from the end of World War II, we've managed to take this big, clunky atomic bomb and shrink it down to the size of an artillery projectile.
And I'm wondering, how did that happen so fast?
But They're doing this radar work over and over.
They stress that this radar work that was done in conjunction with Atomic Annie was part of a project.
And I had to sit and think that through because they are very specific on this when you read the transcripts.
And I came up with a nutty idea, but it's the only one that makes sense to me.
You would not need radar to lay the gun and point and shoot.
You can do that with standard ballistic calculations that any artilleryman would know how to do.
And you can get, you know, artillery is extremely accurate.
You can put it within a few yards of a target from miles away.
So I'm thinking, well, no, the radar is not being used for tracking.
And if it's being used as a means of secure communications, you wouldn't need to have a radar set down in Aberdeen Proving Grounds.
So it's not for that purpose.
Yeah, something is happening here.
So I came to the conclusion well, we've got compressional waves that this guy's working on, and all sorts of other weird stuff, it turns out.
So, I came to the conclusion that perhaps what they were trying to do is test their radar ability to see inside of a plasma, the kind of ionospheric plasma that you would encounter in a thunderstorm, or the kind of plasma that you encounter when a nuclear bomb is detonated.
And then I thought, okay, that could be.
They're trying to get inside this thing and take a picture of what the structure actually is.
And then I thought, well, wait a minute.
If they wanted to do that, they can just stick a bomb on a tower and blow the bomb off in the tower and beam their radar at it and take a picture.
Why do you need to haul this cannon out to Nevada and fire it off?
And I came to the conclusion that there's one thing that the cannon will do that a tower won't.
A cannon fires a rifled projectile, it rotates in an extremely high mechanical rotation.
Now, if you've listened to Richard Hoagland, he has a rule.
He says the key to hyperdimensional physics are three rules rotation, rotation, and rotation.
So, when you put that nuclear fuel under a high state of mechanical rotation and then detonate it, what's going on inside the structure of the plasma?
And I think that's what they were doing with this stuff because it was all classified very, very secret.
Very, very secret.
When you've got rotation going on immediately, I think of the bell, too.
Research that we've done on that.
Right.
Precisely.
That's exactly what they're thinking.
Something very eerie in the book, which is an actual picture of the mini mushroom cloud from the only time that Atomic Annie was fired there in the 50s.
And so it's one of those projects which came to fruition.
Right.
Sure.
But whatever it was that they were doing with it, like you were saying, they got their results and then they moved on because Atomic Annie just.
Goes back to the background.
Yeah, they fired a nuclear projectile from it.
In fact, it's the only nuclear projectile that has ever been fired and has ever been fired from an artillery piece.
Amazing.
So, in other words, whatever they were looking for, they found.
Yes.
And if radar was a part of this project, then my suspicion is they were trying to do plasma radar tomography, to put it quite bluntly.
I think they got it.
Answers.
And one of the fascinating things, just in a nutshell, to wrap up the atomic Annie part, that back and forth that takes place, I've never seen more evasive.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you know, it's incredible where they say, Why did you take pictures of it?
Because, of course, that would be classified.
And the officer is saying, Well, we were just supposed to take pictures of our equipment, but the radar was associated with Annie, so don't ask me any more questions, basically.
And the photographer is like, No, he told me to take pictures of the whole thing.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Contradictions.
Daniel, I can't tell.
There's so much stuff that I didn't even put in the book where the Army is just tripping over itself with contradictions.
I mean, the Army McCarthy hearings being a classic example, wasn't it?
But the cannon episode was another one of those things that I was expecting to find nothing but communists.
And I'm confronted with Rothschild's atomic cannons, compressional wave radar, and Roswell.
I mean, it's truly remarkable and it's explosive in this sense.
It's that you can.
Start to really connect the dots about how this technology is moving around, how the UFO file is moving around, how technology is moving around.
We can get a feel for it there.
And we can also get a feel for it that there are people like Cohn and like McCarthy who, when they're pressing these people, they're trying to get on the same level with them to say, you know, you're not going to hide this from us.
We want in on the UFO file.
And this reminds me so much.
Of the Space Force action that we see now with Trump, where he's announcing, you know, I'm going to do the Space Force.
And even, you know, Congress hasn't approved anything, but he's like, hey, we're going for the Space Force.
This is that thing again, which is making a claim on that UFO file, on that exotic technology aspect from where it resides.
That's exactly what I think is going on.
And I'll tell you why.
This whole atomic cannon thing and this whole Roswell connection emerges in the context of missing documents.
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The committee learns that a bunch of missing documents, top secret documents, are missing.
And the first guy that gets hauled in front of the committee to testify about this, and it's important for people to understand, these sessions were in executive session.
These transcripts were not released, they were not declassified by the Senate until 2003.
Amazing.
And years later.
Yeah.
And the excuse given is well, we were doing it to protect the names of the people.
You know, and they're long dead, and so now we can release it.
I think, no, I think this is a cover story.
This, this, what he was getting at here was far too sensitive.
And I think this is the missing piece in the whole McCarthy picture that explains why, on the one hand, you had the Pentagon saying, Go out and get rid of these security risks, and then all of a sudden, they do a complete switcheroo and say, No, you can't go there, let's get rid of this guy.
Yeah, he's out of there fast.
The thing here about the missing documents is it emerges in the transcripts that not only were the documents missing, but the top secret registers for the documents had been destroyed.
And then later, McCarthy hauls another witness in front of the committee.
It's learned that no, the documents were not destroyed, they were just downgraded.
Right.
And in the course of that testimony, the guy says, Oh, and we also queried the CIA.
If they had these documents.
And, you know, whoa, stop here.
Right.
Why is the CIA all of a sudden in this?
And it turns out that the documents, so we're told by the army guys that come to testify in front of the committee, were all about radar tracking of German V 1s and V 2s during the war.
And the war's over now, so that's not all that top secret anymore.
Right.
Well, I have to wonder if it's not all that top secret after the war, what's the CIA doing with them?
Exactly, in the same time frame that the Robertson panels meet, it's unbelievable.
At the same time that all of these V2 launches out in New Mexico are top secret, to the point that this guy, Fred Bell at Fort Monmouth, says, Well, there's a secret project I started working on in July of 1947 that I can't even talk about.
Hello, UFO file.
You see this consternation on McCarthy himself.
He's just mystified at why these documents go missing.
And they are downgraded, you know, you can just sense the committee is just not buying the story.
Not at all.
Just how slippery that line of questioning is.
And they're like, oh, it turns out there weren't any missing documents.
The missing documents are a very crucial aspect of this, but I want to jump back to something you said right at the open.
Sure.
Something that McCarthy did put on the record, and thank God he did.
He said in 1947, planes with this special radar didn't get shot dead.
Yeah.
Now, this is very strange because, of course, we weren't at war.
We were in the Cold War, but if somebody had shot, if the Russians had shot down a U.S. plane, that would have been World War III.
Yeah.
So, what was shooting us down?
Yeah.
And more importantly, you know, McCarthy just drops that in.
Yes.
And, you know, I had to do a double take.
It was just like, whoa, where does this come from?
You know, what kind of technology would it have that somebody couldn't shoot down because it was on board?
And more importantly, how did McCarthy know about it?
Which, you know, that opens up another can of worms.
But my suspicion has always been, especially since Stanton Evans came out with his research, a wonderful book about McCarthy called Blacklisted by History.
And he kind of alludes to the fact, although he doesn't come right out and say it, that McCarthy appears at some point to have had access to or summaries of the Venona transcripts.
Mm hmm.
Which again were only declassified in the mid 1990s under President Clinton.
You provide some of these in the Third Wave book.
Yeah, I do.
And it stands to reason since there was an FBI agent in charge of the Venona transcript project at one point, and J. Edgar Hoover met with McCarthy in the early 1950s almost once a week.
They'd trade off going to each other's offices.
Wow.
So, I think there's a pipeline from Venona through the FBI to Senator McCarthy, where a lot of this, plus he's got that Pentagon group, you know, that are probably feeding him information in the background.
And then plop, here comes this reference to planes being shot down until 1947 when this special radar is on the equipment.
And you have to, again, place this in context.
We're not at war with anybody.
So, who's shooting it down?
And it's not really the Russians because, as you say, if that were the case, this would be a major international incident, if not war itself.
So, who's doing the shoot downs?
And additionally, why are our planes being shot down in Korea when the Korean War gets hot and going?
Why don't they have this special radar equipment?
Those planes are getting shot down.
Those planes are getting shot down.
Special radar that makes these planes invisible go.
Yeah.
You pointed out something in the book, and I'm glad that you included this because this is what is so crucial, I think, which is the crossover between understanding the deep state, the exotic technology part, and the cover up around the UFO file and the political aspect.
If you can bring those things together, very often you see them show up in separate volumes, very well researched stuff.
But what you do is you bring the stuff together, and when it's together, it's explosive.
Well, it's not me bringing it together, it's there in the transcript.
Right.
You know, that's the most baffling thing about this.
It's all there in the transcripts.
You know, we haven't even gotten to the hidden finance part of this or the Rothschild part of this or McCarthy's little statement about the Merovingians.
We're going to get to those too.
We're going to get to those.
This is a quote inside the book, and it's quite fascinating because it goes to this shoot down order that Truman issues for unidentified flying objects, which I think is very important in the context of what we were just discussing about the plane and how McCarthy says, Our planes with this radar won't get shot down if they carry this special equipment on board.
This is what you included in here, and it's in light of the fact that there was this big flap there in 1952.
Right.
We had this massive flap over Washington, D.C., of all these UFOs over the White House, basically.
That's kind of cool.
So, the shoot down order, it turns out there's a message that Truman receives, and Donald Kehoe brings it forward into the Media, but it was a private concern basically that took place, and this is what the actual request is.
I'll get to that and then we'll see where it came from.
So it's five points.
One, the first point now this goes to President Truman to stop this shoot down order basically.
One, urgently request reconsideration of your order to destroy flying saucers.
That's the first one.
Two, remarkably advanced aerodynamics indicate probably interstellar origin, interference without more cause.
Then causes friendly curiosity, could cause unbelievable suffering and death.
That's pretty hardcore.
Let me try that again.
Basically, could cause unbelievable suffering and death.
This is number three.
I respectfully suggest that no offensive action be taken against the objects reported as unidentified, which have been sighted over our nation.
Four, should they be extraterrestrial, such action might result in the gravest consequences as well as alienating us.
From beings of far superior powers, contact should be sought as long as possible.
Five, and finally, people much aroused and worried.
Pretty dramatic statement.
And it seems like this was the policy that became adopted later.
So, how do we tie that in?
Where did the shoot down order come from, and what are they talking about?
You make the point that although this is referring to something that sounds like an off world civilization, in fact, the shooting down part.
Actually, it refers to the fact that there's a third player in there, which is not the Russians and not the Americans, and who is an extraterritorial force launching these things.
Well, yeah, that quotation occurs in my book, Roswell and the Reich.
Right.
I've always been of the opinion, and several of my books try to flesh out this idea, that there was a kind of a post war Nazi international that had constituted itself more or less as an extraterritorial state.
It had deep financial pockets and it was capable of continuing some of its wartime top secret research, which is what I think may have happened at Roswell because there are a number of very strange connections there,
pardon me, with the Nazis that you'll even find in some of the Magic 12 documents, but more importantly, that you find in Brigadier General Charles Shulgin's. Intelligence collection memorandum that he wrote in 1947 after the Roswell incident.
And ufology refers to this memorandum a great deal.
The problem with the memorandum is I can't see how you can use the memorandum to maintain the idea that the U.S. Air Force is thinking in terms of an extraterrestrial craft that crashed at Roswell, because in the memo, General Shulgin specifically points out.
That it's their opinion that they're dealing with some advanced form of jet turbine aircraft able to vector the exhaust from the aircraft.
Number one.
And number two, much more importantly, right in the memo itself, he says we have to find out where the Horton brothers are.
Well, the Horton brothers are these Germans during the war that invented these big flying wings.
Flying wings, yes.
And as I've said many times in conferences and in my book, The Nazi International, I can tell you where the Horton brothers were.
They were in Argentina designing airplanes for Juan Perón.
We should point out that it's a very popular post Nazi destination.
Yeah, it's a very popular post Nazi destination.
Still is, as a matter of fact.
But anyway, so for a variety of reasons, I maintain that what may have crashed in Roswell was something Nazi, and this is why they were concerned.
And if it was, then number one, you've got a problem because.
The war is supposed to be over, and here are these Nazis flying around New Mexico doing God knows what.
And it rationalizes Truman's shoot down order in a very interesting way.
Because if you suspect, as did that gentleman that wrote to the president, that this is something extraterrestrial, you don't want to be starting a war with them by shooting them down.
Right.
But if, on the other hand, you have intelligence that suggests that this is something human, Then shooting them down, especially if it's Nazi, is the thing to do.
Yes.
You've got, in the context of Truman's shoot down order, you've got to remember the famous Captain Mantel UFO case where the plane literally disintegrates before it hits the ground and so on and so forth.
So you've had these UFO encounters after the war that are hostile, UFOs diving at civilian aircraft and so on and so forth.
Absolutely.
So.
I think this is the context lurking in the background here.
And along comes Senator McCarthy, and he all of a sudden talks about shoot downs.
Now, again, where is he getting his intelligence?
Yeah.
It's clearly coming from somewhere very high up that knows about all of these things.
And there he plops it right in the middle of these transcripts.
And he's alluding to the fact that there's some technology that renders our planes either invisible to these craft or.
Is possibly some sort of defense mechanism.
Who knows?
Yeah.
But that in itself implies that he knows that the Army's attempts to say, well, all of these classified radars we were working on really weren't all that top secret.
And, you know, he's not having any of it.
It's not for a minute.
Well, it's fascinating.
And it's a great point.
What I want to do actually is I want to deviate into the bell for a moment and then come back in to McCarthy based on that knowledge.
Here's the thing you make an excellent point about.
Hans Kamler, which is, he was in effect in charge of the Bell project at the end.
Right.
And he, like so many of the Nazis that you've tracked, has four or five different death stories.
Yeah.
Meaning, most likely, he actually disappeared to Argentina or somewhere as a safe haven with the Bell technology in tow.
Unusual cases related to the UFO thing, like Texberg, where it looks like something actually like the Bell is flying there.
So, can we tie this idea of this extraterritorial fascist state launching these things to Kamler escaping Nazi Germany with the Bell technology in tow?
Yes, I think we can.
And I'll go even further.
Let's go back to the Monmouth transcripts here.
For a moment with Dr. Bell.
It's interesting that he would be named Dr. Bell.
You know, you can't make up a movie like this, folks.
Coincidences, guys.
You just get so many coincidences going.
But here's this Dr. Bell talking about top secret projects that he can't even talk about in front of the committee.
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And he's working in radar and compressional waves and blah, blah, blah.
And this starts after Roswell.
Well, there has been a persistent.
Rumor in the Roswell ufology community for many years that the craft may have been brought down, or that our radar experiments out there in connection with the V2s may have interfered with the craft somehow and brought it down.
Yes.
There's the lightning strike theory and all sorts of stuff, which all of which to me spells, well, if that's the case, if our 1947 radar or lightning strikes can bring down something over New Mexico and then.
We don't know what it is or where it's from, it probably ain't extraterrestrial.
Yeah.
Because I can't think of ET not being able to design a craft that can't dampen a lightning strike or it doesn't know how to handle 1947 American radar.
So that to me connects this rather well because if this technology involved plasmas, which the Bell clearly did, and which incidentally the work of Dr. Ronald Richter down there in Argentina.
Clearly, did.
And if my supposition about the Atomic Annie business with them doing something with radar is true, then it could be that we're looking now at the contextual background that might give some credence to those radar stories bringing down the Roswell craft.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I definitely think there's a connection here to all of this stuff.
That's fascinating.
And it's always radar or some allusion to what we understand about radar.
At least it's in the radar ballpark.
Where these unusual things happen.
One of the things I found interesting was that Monmouth, the base itself, let's get into that a little bit.
They did something there where it was called Project Diana, where they were aiming these waves at the moon and developing this kind of early experimental project.
And it was to bounce radar signals off the moon and receive the reflected signals.
46.
Yep.
Incredible.
So they are very much ahead of the game on the space side.
Yep.
This is their kind of elite outfit.
It is a very elite outfit.
And if I remember correctly, this was a project that was begun by the Army and then spun off to the Air Force.
And if you're using compressional waves to do this, that would be the perfect way to do it.
Because again, you're relying on a kind of a Doppler effect to calculate the exact distance.
And.
If you're using compressional waves, it's even possible that they were doing some sort of very early radar tomography.
Interesting.
So I need to take a little break, if I may.
Yes, absolutely.
All right.
And we'll dive into Olivia here and the questions, getting them ready.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
Our special guest tonight with his breakthrough book is Dr. Joseph Farrell.
And this book is exceptional.
You know, I mean, I've gone through a number of Dr. Farrell's books and we've had them on.
They're always groundbreaking.
It's the kind of research that he does.
But this book is explosive in the sense that, in terms of tracking the UFO file, when you get into that period and when you're looking at these figures like the Kennedys and their battles with the Central Intelligence Agency and the deep state that take place back then, what happens is that informs the way we do things now.
And it became the setup when that covert end of the government overtook the overt.
Public side of the government, and we've been having that battle and that dance ever since.
And to be honest with you, when we see these groups going after the UFO file, and we see the CIA people as the front people for these groups, we know very well that the battle is still engaged as fully as it was during that period.
But if we understand the battles that took place in that period, which are off the record, we get a much better feel for this whole thing.
Wouldn't you say so, Miss Olivia?
I would.
Now, Olivia, how's everything going out there?
Very enthusiastic crowd tonight.
Fantastic.
Well, we have great people.
Out there, I see Groovy Bean, and it's terrific to see her.
I have not seen her out there in a while.
And we're going to get into your questions.
Remember to ask them in all caps.
It's in the second half, like in about a half hour or so.
We're going to do that.
But in the meantime, we have Dr. Joseph Farrell back.
And you know, it's interesting, Joseph, because this book, it seems to me, when we're starting to understand McCarthy, it's like the great question mark in history.
There in the 50s, about these committees.
And we were talking about there was the Kefauver Committee, which was tracking interstate commerce.
There were before that the House on American activities.
But after that, you have succession after succession of these organized crime committees where the candidates make their splash.
And that really positions them ultimately to become president and attorney general.
I think actually we could go as far as to say without those committees, they may not have had the cred to step in office.
Right.
So this is.
There's something happening there, and they know with the keen political insight, say of JFK, he knows where to be in the center of that storm in order to make his point and to sort of make his mark to become very prominent.
They understand they have the deep knowledge that this battle is going on behind the scenes and likely relates very strongly not only to the power struggle in the government, but also to this exotic technology aspect.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I think if you stop and consider the constellation of people, you know, with these revelations that are in the Monmouth transcripts, if you stop and look at the people connected to Senator McCarthy, they're really some very extraordinary people Forrestal, RFK, JFK, Roy Cohn, and through Roy Cohn, Donald Trump.
Yes.
So, in other words, I have a sneaking suspicion that McCarthy, who was well known for blurting things out at inopportune moments, I have a suspicion, I entertain the fantasy that McCarthy was not only deliberately pressing for this UFO issue in these transcripts, it's very evident if you read them with that view in mind.
Wow.
But that he may have communicated some intelligence to.
JFK through his brother, or that Roy Cohn may have communicated some of this information because, again, JFK, of course, goes after those CIA UFO files, and it's the CIA again that supposedly these documents went missing to.
Yeah, yeah, you know, that's a trail there.
That's a trail.
That's a trail.
And this is, you know, squatting right in the middle of it are these McCarthy Monmouth hearings, you know, which I think rationalize perfectly much better than the standard narrative.
Why you had this enormous.
Effort made during the Army McCarthy hearings to shut him down.
And they were barely able to do so.
You know, those hearings went on for weeks.
So I think that there's a story, a much bigger story or potential story here because of the constellation of people associated with Senator McCarthy.
And it's all part of this, as you say, it's all part of this factional struggle to try and get a handle and a hold on.
A government that's quickly running out of control.
You know, we again, this becomes very clear, not simply with respect to the UFO problem and with Roswell and all of that.
It becomes very, very clear when, in the Monmouth investigation period, the McCarthy committee starts summoning people from General Electric to testify from General Electric in Schenectady.
And that's hugely important.
Yeah.
Hugely important.
And also, when it starts probing the issue of occupation money, which, you know, again, I read that and I just thought, holy cow, you know, you're looking at a system of finance that is totally off the books and entirely in the hands of the military.
And, you know, poor old Senator Munt, I can just imagine, you know, his little pee brain trying to sort out all of this stuff.
Come on.
Yeah.
But yeah, McCarthy, if you put it all together, what McCarthy has really done in those.
Uh, transcripts is number one.
He said, Okay, there's a UFO thing here, and the military doesn't want to talk about it, so there's something secret going on over there.
And then over here, we have this enormous financial scandal brewing.
And when you put it all together, what he's really said, there's a secret space program, and there's a hidden finance mechanism of finance to fund it.
Unbelievable.
And you know, I've read all of this, Daniel, and again, like I say, I was just absolutely gobsmacked.
Wow, absolutely gobsmacked.
You know, this is incredible.
Just for more context, why is McCarthy at the end of his kind of meteoric rise going after the army?
What is his rationale for doing that?
And this seems to be the end for him.
He may not sense that going after them is going to sink him, but there's no question that that's what really does him in.
And they start to portray him as going too far and taking down good Americans.
Right.
Why does he take the risk to go after the Army?
I think that he himself is not fully aware, and none of the committee members or staff members are fully aware.
Although I think he was much more aware than the other committee members, with maybe the exception of Roy Cohn, that there's something deep and dark going on here.
But he doesn't know the full extent of it, nor does he know the lengths to which they will go to protect it.
That, I think, is the key.
And again, he has made this business of security risks in the government his issue.
And when you have a very top secret base doing extraordinarily secret radar research, and you've got all of these security risks associated with it, I mean, my word, the Rosenbergs are running a spy ring.
So, you know, this is right in his backyard.
What he ends up finding when he goes after Fort Monmouth is, you know, just totally bizarre.
It's totally unexpected, I think, to a certain extent to him, although not completely unexpected, because he does drop these references in his questions and Roy Cohn, for that matter, that indicate that they do have some understanding of what's going on here.
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I just don't think that they had any idea of the lengths to which the military would go to protect those secrets.
I really, really don't.
Yes.
And what is the wall of secrecy protecting?
Right.
And, you know, this is fascinating.
Just we're going to pour down into the details of Monmouth here, but if you were to describe it in bullet points, what do you think was happening there?
At Monmouth?
Yes.
Number one, I think, and the transcripts bring this out.
Number one, I think they got a hold of some German radar equipment.
Number two, that equipment launched them on the idea of compressional electric waves.
Okay.
Okay.
Because let's go all the way back to SS Brotherhood of the Bell.
I pointed out in that book that the Soviets got a German radar team.
At the end of the war, that was headed by a Nazi scientist by the name of Richard Hellman, appropriately named man.
And that the Germans had discovered the phenomenon late in the war of phase conjugation when they were beaming radar on nonlinear materials.
The Soviets got that radar crew.
And if that makes no sense, think Tesla waves here, folks, or what many people popularly call scalar waves.
The Soviets.
Got that radar team, brought Hellman and his crew to the Soviet Union, and it's extraordinary that you begin to see the Soviet research into nonlinear physics beginning after the end of the war with all of its crazy paranormal applications.
Right.
And this is what they got.
Oh, yeah.
This is what they got.
And I think that by discovering this phenomenon, they had discovered a wholly different principle of radar.
Hellman was released by the Soviets.
He eventually went to Brazil, where he did work with none other than David Bohm, the famous plasma physicist in Brazil.
So, again, we're with plasma.
So, number one, captured German radar equipment at Fort Monmouth.
Number two, The rise of a wholly different kind of way of conceiving of electromagnetics.
Number three, there's the clear connection to the Roswell incident, time and time again.
And so there's a connection to the whole UFO problem.
Number four, if they're thinking in terms of Nazis and Nazi international hypothesis, then that's got to be kept hugely secret simply for, you know, we can't let out the fact that there's Nazis flying all this stuff around.
And number five, this all has to be funded.
Somehow, and in such a way to keep the funding completely apart from any congressional oversight.
In other words, we're dealing now with a funding mechanism that's so deeply black that it's deeper than the black budget.
Yeah.
So, in other words, McCarthy has just stumbled, I think, unknowingly into the whole post war deep state mess.
Mm hmm.
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Just like JFK would do later.
Yep.
And for very similar reasons.
Fascinating.
You know, this is interesting to me too, because you do a good job about really probing in other books on the breakaway civilization aspect and looking at Ed Lansdale on this whole notion of Yamasa's gold.
Yes.
And this gives us an idea of how a secret system of finance can come about.
Oh, yeah.
It gives us those details, and there's torture involved.
Yep.
And, you know, Of course, there's all that loot.
There's so much talk about the Nazi loot, but of course, the Japanese loot after World War II is off the charts.
Well, let's get into the occupation currency thing here because this is another thing that just left me absolutely floored.
The occupation, all the powers that were fighting during World War II had occupation money for the territories that they conquered.
You know, Nazi Germany had occupation money, Japan had occupation money, we did, the British did.
Everybody was printing occupation currency.
But McCarthy and his committee haul two people up from the Department of the Treasury in front of the committee as they start to probe what happened to this occupation currency.
And the first guy they haul up in front of the committee, and Senator Munt, my old senator from South Dakota, is actually.
Chairing the committee during this witness's examination because I think it's because McCarthy wanted somebody familiar with the issue.
Senator Munt had been a congressman sitting on the House Un American Activities Committee with Richard Nixon, incidentally, and he was one of the people that had taken the testimony of Major George Racy Jordan, who was the Lend Lease Army liaison officer to the Russians during the war, and Major Jordan kept diaries of.
Suspicious things that he discovered were being sent to the Russians, like nuclear materials and the plates for this occupation money to be used in Germany after the war.
And so, you know, why are we giving this to the Russians, you know, to print off occupation money that we're liable for?
So, Senator Munt is chairing this hearing.
And the first guy they haul up testifies that, yes, we were involved in making occupation money, listen carefully, for the French, for Italy, for the Netherlands, for Austria, for Denmark, and for Germany.
So, in other words, the United States is making kroner, shillings, guilder, German marks, and French francs, printing them off.
Number two, he goes so far as to say, well, we turned this over to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.
And this guy testifying is actually the director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.
And he says, well, the order for this money was so large that we were unable to fill it.
So, we had to contract it out to the Forbes firm in Boston, and they're printing up all this money.
Now, what is happening to the money?
Well, all of this money, they're printing these occupation dollars for the use of American troops going into French Algeria, and they start noticing a funny thing the soldiers are sending a lot more money back than they're being paid out in these yellow sealed.
Note that yellow sealed occupation dollars.
Yeah.
Now I just had to stop and I was floored when I read that because at that time in this country there were four types of circulating paper currency Federal Reserve notes with the Treasury seal in green, silver certificates with the Treasury seal in blue, United States notes with the Treasury seal in red, and gold certificates with the Treasury seal in yellow.
So I'm thinking, what the heck?
Are we printing up gold occupation certificates and the soldiers are exchanging that for Vichy French francs, which they're shipping back wild amounts of money, way out of proportion to the actual exchange rate?
This is real money laundering.
This is real money laundering going on here, folks.
And on top of this, Daniel, when the director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing is giving this testimony in front of the committee, He goes on to say two things that absolutely floored me.
Number one, we shared all of our currency printing secrets with the British, and they shared all of theirs with us.
Wow.
Okay, that's number one.
Number two, this whole setup was under the orders of Harry Dexter White, one of the chief architects of the Bretton Woods Agreement, one of the architects of the International Monetary Fund, who incidentally becomes its first chairman.
And who incidentally shows up in the Venona transcripts as a Soviet spy.
Okay.
And number three, this, this, I, you can't, you can't get, you can't make a movie this bizarre.
Okay.
You, you, you can't.
On top of this, the, the director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing testifies that they had also drawn up currency plates for a currency that was not denominated in any unit.
Not lira, not francs, not marks, not dollars, not pounds.
It was not denominated.
It just had numbers.
And he goes on to state that the current occupation currency that they were printing was drawn from this other currency.
Amazing.
So, what it appears to me that has been done is they printed up some early version of the International Monetary Fund's special drawing rights, and they were using that already toward the end of the war as a unit of account.
For the central banks and setting exchange rates against it.
There's your hidden system of finance.
Unbelievable.
And this reminds me of the work you did this fascinating work, and we'll just go to this briefly about bearer bonds.
And that's in the Breakaway Civilization book.
Yes.
And those bonds actually had JFK's picture on them.
Some of them did.
Some of them did, which is really.
Interesting to me.
But the story, in short, of the bearer bonds, and that kind of gives us an idea of this also, because here you have this extraordinary, you know, kind of the actual value of these bearer bonds and the people getting caught with them and the cases that went on about them.
It's truly bizarre, but it gives us some reflection of that secret system of finance again.
Well, let's go further.
The earliest bearer bond scandal involves bonds that were called Federal Reserved.
Bonds with a D that were supposedly printed up in 1938 with Henry Morgenthau's signature on the bonds.
Who's Henry Morgenthau?
Well, he's President Roosevelt's Secretary of the Treasury.
These supposedly were given to Chiang Kai shek as certificates of deposit, more or less, for nationalist Chinese gold that he got out of China and put into the Federal Reserve for safekeeping so the Japanese wouldn't get it.
And these bearer bonds were intentionally printed with mistakes like Federal Reserve bonds.
Now, they've always been denied by the government as being fake.
They're not government bonds.
Well, indeed, they're not.
I think they were legal tender.
Bingo.
I think the Federal Reserve Bank, since it's a private corporation, pulled a fast one and issued some bonds and deliberately put misspellings in the bonds so that they can say, oh, we didn't do that.
We wouldn't make much.
Obvious mistakes like that.
So, yeah, there's this deep in the background before we even enter the war.
And then lo and behold, we've got all this occupation money being printed with yellow seals.
And I'm thinking, is this a kind of a covert gold certificate?
Well, it would stand to reason that it might be because if you're getting more Vichy French francs in exchange for occupation dollars than the official exchange rate at the time, gold would do that.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Yes.
So there's more gold reserves in the world currency than are on the books.
On the books.
Yes.
I've always maintained that.
Yes.
No question about it.
But what's interesting about all this to me is, and this goes right back to your book, and everyone, we're talking about this book, which I have the first cover version, but it's McCarthy, Monmouth, and the Deep State.
And this is an incredible breakthrough that Joseph is making on this.
It's available now, Joseph.
At lulu.com.
At lulu.com, right.
It's just recently become available, and I highly recommend it because it's such a breakthrough in terms of connecting these dots.
And, you know, all of your work, I mean, it's fascinating.
We've had many conversations dealing with the implications of that work.
And I know that your books work together so much as a chain, all the Giza Death Star book series.
But what's interesting to me about this book is I think that it's such an explosive implication.
That it kind of echoes through all the other books now.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The shockwaves spread out from this book back through all the others.
Absolutely.
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Because I was not, trust me here, folks, I was not expecting to find any of this stuff in these transcripts.
The final clincher with this occupation money scandal is not only does the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, for crying out loud, that prints all of the paper money for the country, cannot fill the order for the U.S. Army because it's too large.
On top of this, The two final points to take away.
The director of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing and the previous witness testified that the U.S. Treasury had no control over this.
All of the accounting was assumed by the U.S. military.
It's completely off the books.
In other words, it's not a black budget, it's deeper than that.
It's completely off the books.
That's number one.
And number two, The fellow that is the Secretary of the Treasury at the time is Henry Morgenthau, and his top assistant ordering all of this to be done is Harry Dexter White.
Wow.
Yeah, there's your hidden system.
It's amazing because when you think about Bilderberg and the reason they kept their meetings so secret, in addition to all this, is you can see groups like that at the very heart of this moving money around, and they would need that kind of secrecy because you couldn't let people in on it.
Now, let's talk about another little thing that gets dropped in the middle of these transcripts, just plopped in there with no lead in to it and no follow up whatsoever.
And that's when Roy Cohn has someone in front of the committee testifying about security risks.
His name is Ullman from Fort Monmouth.
And this is the guy that you referred to earlier.
You know, Cohn and McCarthy are questioning, well, did you know the Rosenbergs?
I declined to answer on the ground of the constitutional privilege.
Well, did you know Dean Acheson?
Well, I declined to answer on the grounds of the constitutional privilege.
Sir, you flatter me.
Yeah, yeah, sir, you flatter me, you know.
And on and on this goes.
Well, everybody saying, Do you know Dean Acheson is basically like saying, you know, do you know Mad Dog Mattis or something?
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
But in the middle of this questioning of this witness, before he is sworn, he gives testimony to Cohn.
And Cohn asks him very directly, Did you know the Solomons or the Rothschilds?
Yeah.
And there's no preparation for this.
In the trend, you know, I reproduced.
There's none, it's just dropped right in there.
And the guy says, Well, yeah, I knew the Solomons and I don't recall meeting the Rothschilds.
And there's no explanation for it.
But when you turn to the occupation money plates business, stop and think about it.
The USA is the military is involved in printing occupation money for France, Holland, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Denmark.
Okay, right.
Who has the majority share of the central banks of those countries?
Rothschild.
Wow.
So, if anybody would know how much money is in circulation in those countries and how much you can print without upsetting the economy of those countries, it's Rothschild.
Amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
And when you're getting into the secret system of finance, bingo.
That reference and Cohn would be just the guy who would know that.
Exactly.
He's just the swamp creature deep sea.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Basically, he's raising almost like a blackmail tool there.
Yes.
He actually doesn't expect an answer, but he's sending a message that, yeah, we know all about what's really going on with this occupation money stuff.
Absolutely.
The money laundering taking place through it.
The occupation money is so fascinating.
This is such an explosive piece of this.
Yes.
And this, when we look at McCarthy for all of the.
Demonizing that happens, historical revisionism or whatever.
And there's no doubt that, you know, there were times when he was doing this that things went way overboard.
Right.
The amount of results that he gets by getting into this and the things that we can cull from that is remarkable.
Oh, absolutely, it is.
I mean, you know, he himself was, you know, I get into his early life, he himself was a bloodhound.
I mean, if you put him on the scent of something, he would follow it to the bitter end.
And you can see this in the way that the Army McCarthy hearings are actually set up because he just absolutely flatly tells the Army to go to hell when they try to blackmail him into getting rid of Roy Cohn from the committee.
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And he alone is just indefatigable in his ability to ferret things out.
And then you add Roy Cohn into this mix.
And you can tell when Cohn is asking questions, he's got.
His question is written down.
He's got a certain amount of facts he wants to get into the record, and bang, bang, bang, bang, and that's it.
So, yeah, you've got these two lawyers, and they're uncovering this mountain of UFOs and hidden finance.
And to me, Daniel, like I said earlier, this means that they've uncovered this whole network of the deep state and the hidden system of finance and its relationship to the UFO problem and all of that.
And we find the Kennedys right in the middle of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's amazing.
It's undeniable, too.
Uh, thinking of that close relationship, I was reading that McCarthy even dated one of Kennedy's sisters.
Yes, he did.
Amazing, he did.
Yeah, he did.
And let's go further since, since in the Monmouth transcripts, it is revealed that the missing documents were that the CIA was queried about the missing documents.
Why does JFK, in turn, then think that the CIA has UFO files?
Yeah, my suspicion is it's coming from this.
Precise point.
This is where they got the knowledge base.
This is where they got the knowledge base.
UFO file.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Kennedy, when he gets in, he has that struggle, and we have the official records that are on record.
I mean, this is not somebody's supposition.
We have it on record that he's requesting the files.
Yep.
Yep.
So he knows.
He knows.
Yeah.
And how does he know?
That's the question.
How does he know?
You know, well, Brother Bobby.
Yes.
You know.
So.
Absolutely.
And it's interesting to me when I think about Colonel Corso and some of the unusual roles that he had in government and the things he revealed before he died.
One of the things he revealed is that on the UFO thing, yes, we built the X 15, and the reason we built it, the space plane that still holds the record as a space plane for a manned plane, was UFO Recon.
And who was it that I gave briefings on those to?
RFK and who did he give the briefings to?
JFK.
Bingo.
They were getting reports regularly on the recon of these things.
Yep, absolutely.
Now, all these, you know, this to me, Daniel, like I say, was the big question mark that finally got filled in.
Why was there such a brouhaha over McCarthy?
And it's all of this stuff.
It's all of this stuff.
It is.
I think that when you're pulling together McCarthy with Kennedy's.
I'm feeling that they come in.
It seems like you know, you always wonder where do they get this knowledge base from?
Because it seems like they understand the deep state, they understand the Federal Reserve aspect.
And there's no doubt that Joseph Kennedy played this incredible role being ambassador to the U.S. thought of as a presidential candidate himself before he made some complimentary comments about fascism.
And that sunk his career completely.
But we can see that he was a deep player.
Himself, but still, this level of knowledge coming in, it seems to me that Kennedy's aware of the black budget.
He's aware of the UFO file aspect, and he's aware of the exotic technology being out of the hands of the government.
And let's not forget somebody else in this connection Barry Goldwater.
Yes.
Let's not forget that he queries General Curtis LeMay about UFOs and Wright Patterson Air Base.
And is told very bluntly, don't ever ask me about that again.
Oh, Ramey freaks out at him completely.
Yeah, completely freaks out.
Well, when does Barry Goldwater get his start?
He's one of the freshman Senate class in 1952 and was a friend of, guess who? Senator McCarthy.
Yes, right.
Who knows?
Maybe he picked something up from some staff member of the committee.
It's just, all these connections are there.
And I'm not saying that these things actually happen, but since we're speculating, Just following all of these trails, they're somehow coming back to Senator McCarthy.
I never expected that to happen.
In my wildest days.
He is, for the period, he's Mr. Transparency.
Yes, he is.
We were talking today, Olivia and I, about all the things that are happening around Assange and WikiLeaks, and how now Ecuador is really suspending his cover, and they're not going to give him that diplomatic cover.
And so, you know, all these things are coming out about it.
We were talking about how, without WikiLeaks, the 2016 election would have turned out completely differently.
And that he, you know, regardless of if you like his politics or whatever it is, he, in fact, was the representation of that transparency.
So, if he gets grabbed and locked up, you're basically, you know, you're locking up transparency, you're locking up the truth.
When you go back to McCarthy in this period, and McCarthy gets caught up in all these machinations, what you've done is really pointed out that somewhere, Out there, they took this unknown senator, and some forces gave him enough information to get into these areas.
At a certain point, they had to shut off the spigot and get rid of that because he, thinking that he was acting independently with knowledge, kept on going.
And forthwith, they put him out there to basically get rid of these communists or whatever.
Now we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, he's getting into our nest of activity, which is the black budget aspect.
Yep, absolutely.
I absolutely think that's exactly what happened.
Otherwise, Daniel, the whole McCarthy era, the whole narrative, whether you're a revisionist or anti McCarthy or wherever you stand on the McCarthy spectrum, Otherwise, the whole thing makes no sense.
Because what you end up with is the standard narrative.
Well, it's just this guy making up a bunch of charges and a blowhard.
And, you know, he manages to keep the nation in thrall for five years.
And in the end, it turned out to be absolutely nothing.
Well, you know, that whole narrative is claptrap to begin with.
And number two, if you dig into the circumstances surrounding the Army McCarthy hearings, it's very clear that the Army.
Set these up with the collusion of the Eisenhower White House in order to shut down his investigations at Fort Monmouth.
And that's exactly what McCarthy charged in his counter charges that were presented to the Army McCarthy Committee.
So, you know, there was always this big question mark in my mind why all this brouhaha?
And now with these transcripts, it begins to make a lot of sense.
Definitely.
There's no other way to rationalize the extraordinary lengths that, and I review this very briefly in the book the extraordinary lengths that the military went through to set up those hearings and then contrive little set piece theater pieces in front of the television cameras so that everything that the committee,
that McCarthy or the committee counsel, a fellow by the name of Ray Jenkins, were presenting in terms of evidence got forgotten in all of the television theater that went on.
With it.
I mean, they set that up.
They played him, and they played Roy Cohn for that matter, quite frankly, like fiddles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They really were sort of crafting it to make them look terrible at the end.
Yeah.
They wanted them out.
Yeah.
They wanted them to be that disgrace.
They had done their job.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And now they threatened the entire structure.
That is fascinating.
I have two kind of outside the ballpark questions here.
Uh huh.
Further, I'm going to ask Olivia, how are you doing?
I'm totally dizzy.
I have so many questions already.
I don't know what to choose when it's time for questions.
We're going to jump into questions in a couple minutes here.
So, you're watching The Dark Journalist Show.
This is absolutely fascinating.
It's Dr. Farrell's new breakthrough book on McCarthy and the Monmouth hearings in the deep state.
The book is available at lulu.com.
I highly recommend it.
I think this book is shaking up history and gives us that connecting dot, which is crucial when we're doing this kind of independent research.
And, you know, it starts to connect dots from a lot of different areas, from mainstream sources and independent sources, which I think is remarkable about this.
And in fact, it's a quick read, but it's loaded with information.
And so here's two outside the ballpark things.
This base, which was so much at the heart of what the book is about and the McCarthy hearings relating to this Army base, obviously incredibly.
You know, incredible wall of secrecy going up around the activities there, and to a point where it's really, you know, these hearings can help us get into some of that.
But this space is credited with using the names from Greek mythology to name space program aspects.
What do you think that's about?
Apollo, Mercury, they were the ones.
Who came up with these names?
Is this just someone's mild fetish or is there a deep thing going on?
Oh, I think there's a deep thing going on.
Absolutely.
I think there's a deep thing going on.
The question for me has always been who's doing this?
And I kind of lean towards the hypothesis of Richard Hoagland here that you had within the nascent post war space community three different groups.
And he calls them the magicians, the masons, and the Nazis.
Yes.
And all three groups have their own esoteric lore behind them that invoke, you know, the ancient gods, celestial magic and ceremonial magic and so on.
It's coming from one of those three groups.
And the reason I mention that is there's one final, really, really, really, really strange bomb that McCarthy drops.
And he doesn't even drop it in closed committee hearings, he drops it right at the end.
Of his speech about General Marshall.
And years ago, I read this, Daniel.
I read both the transcript of the speech in the congressional record and the later book that McCarthy published and basically kind of edited certain things in the speech and added a section about Pearl Harbor because it's very clear that McCarthy thought that.
Pearl Harbor was a let it happen on purpose sort of operation.
And he pins a lot of it on Marshall.
But toward the end of this speech, Daniel, when I read this again, I was just flabbergasted that he would drop such a reference in the middle of a speech on the floor of the United States Senate.
And the ref, I'll read it to you if I can find it, because it's just.
It's one of those things that is so bizarre that it boggles the mind.
I can't wait to hear it.
There are a number of different pages like that in this book.
Well, yeah, it's this one.
This one is something that I have talked with you about in previous interviews.
Hang on here.
There it is.
I've talked with you about in previous interviews.
One of the things, let's set up the context.
One of the things that McCarthy went after Marshall about was in World War II, in August of 1944, General Marshall authorized an invasion, a full amphibious invasion of southern France.
Operation Anvil, that's what it was called.
And this perplexed the American military, it perplexed Churchill for that matter.
You know, what the heck are you invading southern France for?
The Nazis are collapsing in France.
They're running hellbent for leather back to Germany.
And, you know, why do we need to invade southern France?
You know, General Clark, the Allied commander in Italy, said, you know, we can take those forces and push on into the Balkans and unhinge the Germans and prevent the Soviets from taking the Balkans.
And that was Churchill's, you know, thinking, too.
Why the heck are you invading southern France?
And this was McCarthy's question on the floor of the Senate.
What the heck are we doing that for?
It's completely militarily unnecessary.
Okay.
And you and I have talked about this.
I forget when.
It was a couple of years ago.
Yes.
In an interview.
And I pointed out at the time that my suspicion had always been that Marshall was invading southern France because he had intelligence that Otto Skorzeny and a bunch of SS commandos were in the Languedoc in southern France, in and around the area of Rennes-le-Chateau, looking for something.
They had a whole SS regiment.
In southern France, and incidentally, the regiment was the von Salzah regiment, which was named after the founder and first grand master of the Teutonic Knights.
Okay, wow, that tells you a lot right there.
And they're looking for something in southern France, and they apparently find it because Scorsese allegedly telegraphs Heinrich Himmler found it.
We're you know, we're getting out of here, okay, and because you know, the Americans are coming, yes.
And I've always suspected that Marshall had intelligence that Scorzani was in southern France, digging around, looking for something.
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We better go in there and find out what he's looking for.
Or they may have had a clue.
Plus, you've got Roosevelt's little esoteric interest.
So I've always speculated that there was something to do with the Languedoc, the Merovingian dynasty, Rennes-le-Chateau, blah, blah, blah.
Yes.
All right.
So listen to this little paragraph that McCarthy drops in.
To his speech on the floor of the Senate about General Marshall.
This is Senator McCarthy.
Quote Can we foretell the next move on the timetable of the great conspiracy?
It seems clearly indicated.
Dean Acheson foreshadowed it the other day before the Russell Committee when he expressed his desire to have a ceasefire negotiated with the Peking Reds on the basis of the 38th parallel.
This is in Korea.
A ceasefire leaving the enemy in command of Korea north of that imaginary line that has occasioned the spilling of so much blood.
And then, after the ceasefire, to have our friends on Formosa delivered behind the Iron Curtain by a jury stacked with the friends of international communism, and then have the question of the admission of Red China decided by the United Nations.
While Acheson publicly proclaims he is opposed to the sellout, but privately continues to encourage our friends in the United Nations to prepare not only to bury the Republic of China, but to heap refuse on its grave.
If that is the best that the perfidious Red Dean can offer us, I say, let him come again.
And here it comes, folks.
Listen carefully.
After all, we need not take what he or the mayor of the palace of the weak Merovingian himself brings us.
Wow.
Now, why is Senator Joseph McCarthy, notorious red baiter, making any sort of reference to Merovingians at all?
All right, yeah.
It's incredible.
It's incredible.
I suspect number one, he's Roman Catholic.
Number two, he's an educated Roman Catholic.
And number three, he's sending a message there that he knows exactly why we went into southern France when militarily it wasn't necessary.
And that it had something to do with that whole.
Yeah.
He's almost throwing away his whole career going after Marshall.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is a remarkable quote.
It is totally remarkable.
From so many different angles.
From so many different angles.
It's incredible.
And.
I think it shows again, though, there's depth in McCarthy that is not apparent in the traditional historic record around him.
None at all.
None at all.
Not at all.
And, you know, that little dropping of that reference, let's stop and consider once again he's Roman Catholic.
James Forrestal is Roman Catholic.
You've got the Drew Pearson story about the Georgetown dinner.
The Kennedys are Roman Catholic.
And what's Harry Truman?
He's a Mason.
He's a Mason.
What was FDR?
He was a Mason.
He was a Mason.
So, you know, and you begin that quotation with the reference to the great conspiracy.
So I wonder if he's talking about something way beyond just communist theory.
He's going right to the heart of the actual battle.
He's going right for the guts right there.
Yeah.
The Masons versus the Vatican in the paper.
Uh huh.
That's the way it looks to me.
That's the way it looks to me.
It's absolutely amazing.
Can I chime in just for a second?
Yes.
So, can you explain the significance of what the term Merovingian means?
The Merovingians were the first French dynasty, and the Merovingians were the first French dynasty, and the Merovingians were the first, so to speak, papally approved dynasty in France.
And McCarthy's reference here is very, the Merovingians are also suspected to be descended, you know, if you buy the Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
You know, Da Vinci Code story that Christ sired children with Mary Magdalene and they ended up in southern France.
You know, that's the standard alternative field narrative.
I don't buy into it myself.
I think it may be something very different.
Right.
And the Grail is certainly related.
And the Grail is certainly involved in the Languedoc and so on and so forth.
You've got all sorts of stuff going on in the Languedoc.
But the Merovingians were the first recognizable French dynasty.
And McCarthy's very specific in his reference.
He He calls out the weak mayor of the palace.
Well, if you know the history, the mayors of the palace in that period in French history were sort of, so to speak, the powers behind the throne.
They controlled access to the king and so on and so forth.
And it was a mayor of the palace that eventually starts the dynasty of Charlemagne.
So, in other words, he's alluding to the fact that the dynasty was overthrown and another dynasty was put into its place.
So, that whole thing is loaded.
With all sorts of references, you know, the Albigensian crusade, as you say, the Grail and everything else.
And he's, in my opinion, being the educated man that he was with this sponge like memory, I think he's deliberately dropping this into that speech as a message that he thinks he knows what it may have been about.
And that was all that stuff in southern France.
Incredible.
I have to become an incredible trivia buff here since you mentioned this whole story.
There was something, and I think it's in the third way, but you can tell me.
This thing about when they're looking in the Long Dock and the Nazis, somebody sky writes.
Yes.
Okay, what is that story?
The story is related by an American Army captain by the name of William Buchner.
He became a doctor after the war.
He wrote a couple of very strange books that he attempted to memorialize.
What he maintained was a story that was told him by some Germans.
And I think there's probably a lot of truth to it, given all the other wacko, weird stuff concerning southern France in and around Renle Chateau, no less.
But the sky riding episode concerns the point at which Scorsese and the Fonsalza regiment apparently found whatever it was they were looking for.
And some of that may have been very old gold coins.
Yes.
And.
I mentioned that for all of you, Martin Bormann enthusiasts out there, because if you don't know the story, Bormann's wife was apprehended by Allied soldiers in Italy carrying lots of gold coins that were really old and no one had a clue where they came from.
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But anyway, so Scorsese telegraphed Himmler, found it bugging out, and Himmler, according to the story, ordered a skywriting airplane.
To fly over that region where Scorsese was and write something, I don't remember exactly what it was in the sky, but it was some sort of esoteric occult reference.
Yes.
And at that point, Scorsese was ordered after you see this, you know, then get the heck out of there.
So, yeah.
Wild, you know, it's so interesting.
It really is.
Everyone, we're here with Dr. Joseph Farrell talking about the incredible book on McCarthy.
That he has put out and about this Monmouth, these transcripts and the deeper meanings behind them.
And you're finding things in there like the UFO file, like the wall of secrecy, like the secret system of finance.
It is there, and Dr. Farrell brings it out.
The book is available on Lulu, Lulu.com.
And it's just brand new, and I highly recommend it.
I can't recommend this more.
I wanted to mention this before we take questions, and this is my other outside the ballpark.
Since you got me so interested in the Monmouth, I was looking at the various activities there, and of course, the Army Signal Corps is there.
And one of the things that they had placed there in 1960 was a time capsule.
And of course, that's the year that JFK ran for president and won under unexpected conditions.
And they set up this time capsule.
Here's a shot of it just to give everyone an idea.
And of course, there's some very unusual things about this.
One of the things About it is that it was set to be opened originally in 2010, but they moved it.
And the person who was involved originally in this idea of moving it was John Corazine, who was the governor of New Jersey.
And they moved it down to the base.
Of course, Corazine, as we know, went on to great sort of infamy with the whole money scandal.
But one of the things, and he was an incredible.
Truly incredible Clinton and Obama fundraiser.
But one of the things that they did is they moved the time capsule to Fort Gordon in Georgia, which is near Augusta, Georgia.
But one of the things that they have here is that the Centennial Time Capsule will be opened in 2060 on June 21st, which is in essence the summer solstice.
And they have, of course, this very interesting ex steganography throughout.
Some of the interesting things they have is their logo, their just hardcore imagery around this.
So much so that as I was getting into this, I was getting my mind blown by the story and then going deeper on.
The X aspect, which also shows up on the time capsule itself, and especially since we've done so much coverage on the series of time capsules, the idea being that when the stuff gets out there, they want their role disclosed.
How do you read a time capsule being involved at Monmouth and people like Accorzine sort of deflecting it and getting it?
My suspicion is I'm reading it probably like you are with all of your X technography research, that this is another little clue that people are sending, you know.
Messages out there that this has got something to do with this big long story that you've been outlining.
And again, that stands to reason because McCarthy, by dropping references to Merrow Vengeance in the speech on George Marshall, is clearly taking a long view of things.
Right, right.
A really long view of things.
So it's, you know.
He's not handicapped historically.
No, he's not handicapped historically.
No, he went to Marquette, you know, got that good Jesuit education.
So, you know.
I'm probably reading it exactly like you are.
It's another step in the story.
Now, would you say that solstice thing?
That's also, that almost plays into that whole thing about naming the Greek gods.
Yep.
Space program.
There we go.
Another aspect.
Yep.
Yeah.
Using that.
Absolutely incredible.
The deeper you look at this one, forget it.
I need to take a quick break before we do questions.
Yes.
Fantastic.
We'll be right back.
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And for my ex fascination, I found this other picture of ex steganography inside of Monmouth.
And this is this group that is studying away here at the base.
Just had to do it.
But this picture was just remarkable.
And also, that kind of 1984 ish setup was just too much.
Truly brilliant.
But, Joseph, so Olivia, you're up with questions now.
Okay, well, why don't you show the book?
Oh.
Oh, yeah, I can show where to get it.
Actually, we're going to have Joseph do it.
Okay.
Joseph, you have to say something.
That's how the camera's going to grab you.
It's McCarthy, Monmouth, and the Deep State, and it's on Lulu.
It's at Lulu.
Yes, this is a phenomenal book.
I'm highly recommending everyone just get their hands on this.
This is an incredible read and really turns history on its head.
And it's starting to open up this chapter, which really from 1947 to 1964 has been shrouded in secrecy.
And I'm sure we can extend it even further.
But that period, that locked in period, there's so little that helps us to understand the nature of everything from the JFK assassination.
To the development of the national security state and the National Security Act.
This is really where the heart of all this is.
So let's get that on board.
Okay, so Todd Wood was wondering if he said, I'm visually impaired.
Are you going to have an audio version of your book?
Not interesting, Joseph.
That's a good question.
The problem with it, I may do it eventually, sir, but the problem is I'm so pressed for time and it does take time to record audiobooks.
I was going to do recordings of The previous Lulu book, Microcosm and Medium, and I still intend to do that, but I'm way, way behind on it.
So eventually there may be, but it will be a while before I can do that.
Yeah, yeah, that'll be an exciting stage.
And of course, anyone who wants to get kind of your webinars and presentations on it, aside from your public interviews, can go to Giza Death Star and join as a member and get that kind of inside, inner detail as well.
So, Joseph, what triggered you to go through these transcripts in the first place?
Well, I had intended, like I say in the book, I had intended to do a book on what I had been calling the committee era.
All these committees, not just McCarthy, but McCarran and Kefauver and House and American Activities and the Reese Committee and so on.
And so, when I found out that the Monmouth transcripts were available, I sent off for them, expecting, you know, I'm going to find the usual McCarthy stuff.
Have you ever been, or were you ever a member of the Communist Party or any member of?
Subversive organization that the U.S. Attorney General has determined to be subversive.
And I declined to plead the fifth.
Well, yeah, there's lots of that in these transcripts.
Trust me.
But when I saw all of these bizarre references over and over again in these transcripts, I decided, no, I have to do this book precisely on these references because nobody has gone into these details.
Absolutely.
You know, Arthur Herman.
His study on McCarthy came out in 2006.
Stanton Evans came out in 2010, I believe.
And these are very good scholars, very capable scholars.
But they completely ignore, you know, it's as if they hadn't read these things.
And you can kind of understand why they would, because they're not attached to the alternative research field.
They're not, you know, looking at these details that appear in the transcripts from that perspective, which I think has to be done.
Otherwise, You're ignoring crucial material information that changes the interpretation of the whole McCarthy saga.
There's no question.
Completely changes the interpretation and rationalizes it, from my point of view, from a much better perspective.
Because otherwise, like I say, if you're dealing with the standard narrative of the man, then why was there such a brouhaha?
All he was saying is, we've got security risks in the government and we got to get him out of there.
That's basically it.
Yeah.
So.
It's the story's deeper there.
Yeah, the story's deeper.
Yeah, and that's why I decided to do it.
Okay.
So did McCarthy leave behind journals or files documenting all of this?
Oh, wow.
Great question.
The problem with McCarthy's files was when he was censured and after his death, nobody knew where his personal files were.
It's as if they had completely disappeared.
Well, when Stanton Evans wrote Blacklisted by History, which is the most recent.
Book in terms of McCarthy scholarship.
He revealed the fact that McCarthy had given his files or copies of his files to Ralph de Toledano, a famous conservative political critic and analyst and so on.
And de Toledano, in turn, prior to his death, turned them over to Stanton Evans.
Evans, I believe, before he died just recently, turned the files over to the Library of Congress, which means we'll never see them again.
But That said, I strongly suspect that McCarthy being.
I mean, if you look at pictures of him in his office, his desk is piled.
I mean, I think, you know, you think my office looks messy.
Look at his sometime.
It is absolutely piled several feet deep with papers and binders and all of this stuff.
And I strongly suspect that he had copies made not just for Ralph de Toledano, but most likely.
Kept copies himself.
His wife, Jean, probably made copies and perhaps turned them over to other members of his family.
He had three brothers that he was very close to.
So the McCarthy family, still in Wisconsin, may have some of these papers, but if they do, they're not talking.
It's always been my suspicion that his personal files, it's not just Ralph de Toledano that got copies of it.
I suspect some other people did, and I suspect one of them may have been Roy Cohn.
Yeah, wow.
You know, who probably kept his own notes and journals.
All right, all right.
Showing Roy Cohn.
Well, like you were saying, Roy Cohn did let out little pieces of truth in his books that are very unusual.
Oh, yes.
Showing that he had that kind of access.
And his close relationship with Trump is an unviable political factor in the 21st century as an echo of this period.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You've got the same, you know.
I look at the Miller investigation as sort of the Tidings Community version 2.0.
It's the same thing, it's the same circus, you know.
No question.
But I do think that there's somebody out there that we don't know that has copies of a lot of this stuff, and they're sitting on it, and God knows what's in them.
The transcripts alone, the stuff that's public.
Is mind blowing enough.
The stuff that he kept as private journals and notes and stuff, God knows.
Stealth archives.
Stealth archive, yep.
Yes.
Miss Olivia.
Okay, so I've got a block of questions that are related right here.
Living soul quickening spirit asks, What were the cultural and economic relationships and military cooperations between the USA and Russia prior to 1947 and between the USA and China prior to 1947?
What fake news was there about this?
What was the source of geopolitical fake news in the late 1800s or even further back than that?
Wow.
Okay.
Let's take Russia first.
The Lend Lease program.
And this comes out in the McCarthy transcripts, it comes out in the testimony of George Racy Jordan and his diaries and so on.
It was not only extensive, but a lot of very sensitive, super secret material like occupation money plates and uranium and other things were turned over to the Russians on the orders of Harry Dexter White andor Harry Hopkins.
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We do know this.
So there was a lot of stuff that was not part of the official lend lease.
Equipment to Russia that was very covertly funneled to them on orders of people very, very high up in Franklin Roosevelt's administration.
I doubt very much that Roosevelt himself was aware of it.
You know, I can't, you know, I don't like Roosevelt, never did like him.
I don't like his politics, his policies, but I, you know, I can't wrap my mind around him committing egregious acts of treason.
I just, I can't wrap my mind up.
Yeah.
It doesn't add up.
It doesn't add up.
I think, you know, like all presidents, he's got his gatekeepers, and it's the gatekeepers that are really the powers behind the throne, and they're the ones orchestrating all of this stuff.
As for China and fake news, oh boy, you step right in the middle of a big one there.
Because if you, and this is one of the things that exercised McCarthy during his period that he was, you know, a power to be reckoned with, was how in the name of sense did we lose?
China to the Chinese communists.
Well, when you probe the case, you've got the Amer Asia scandal.
And if you don't know anything about that, I would read an excellent book by Harvey Clare on the whole thing and how Soviet agents of influence in the American delegations in China helped push the line that Mao and the communists were just agrarian reformers and all of that stuff.
That was a huge case.
And subsequently, people were arrested as spies in connection with that case.
And certainly the media played a huge role during the McCarthy period.
And specifically, I think with reference to McCarthy, one of the things I bring out in the books is that the media that are constantly attacking him are media that, as it turns out, are closely associated with the CIA's Operation Mockingbird program.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Including some columnists.
So there was a lot of fake news being put out about him and what he was doing.
Mm hmm.
As for China going back to the 18th century, again, a lot of fake news.
The key to China is the opium trade and the British and American involvement with it.
And it was, in my opinion, again, a deliberate attempt on the part of the Western plutocrats to keep China down.
You know, to keep it addicted, keep it down, because even back then it had enormous.
Enormous economic potential that they just, you know, they knew that they could not compete with.
So there's been a constant stream of quite literally fake news about China from that period.
It's, you know, you study Chinese history during that period and most of it's being told by Westerners.
Right, right.
And these are the drug politics.
These are the drug politics.
Yeah.
Which we live with now in places like Afghanistan.
It's the same syndrome.
Same syndrome, and in many cases, it's the same families.
Excellent point.
I won't go any further than that.
We were talking about Elihu Yale today and all of these things that he was doing with the East India Trading Company.
Oh, yeah.
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You know, of course, deep, deep, deep into skull and bones.
And on that note, so Esoteric269Mall is asking basically when the black budget started?
Well, I hate to tell you this, but I think the black budget, in a certain sense, gets started during the American Revolution, if you look at the way it's financed.
And then you get another kick from Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.
And then you get a huge, huge kick.
Let me not neglect to mention Andrew Jackson and his struggle with the Bank of the United States.
If you look carefully into that, you say what you will about Andrew Jackson's other policies.
But, you know, like shipping Cherokees halfway across the country.
Nice guy.
Nice guy.
When you look at his struggle with the Bank of the United States, you can clearly see some skullduggery there going on behind the scenes.
And if you're members of the website, Watch the webinar on the Louisiana Purchase that I put in there.
That'll open some eyes.
The real kick, I think, also begins during World War I, and I'll tell you why.
Prior to World War I, you have Woodrow Wilson, another, well, I have to use polite language, another hockey puck in the Punch Bowl during the intermission, during the opera.
He brings in the income tax, of course, and also brings in the Federal Reserve.
And Roma raids.
That too.
And during World War I, if you look at the financial picture of World War I, what it does is it bankrupts Europe and makes America the credit nation.
And if you look at the post war period with the Dawes and Young plans for German war reparations, there is something, and I don't know exactly what it is, but there's something fishy going on there with the amount of money flowing back and forth.
Between this country and Germany, something extraordinarily fishy.
I don't think that the numbers are adding up, let's put it that way.
So there's something hidden financially going on there.
But clearly, by World War II, with the Morgenthau bearer bonds, with the occupation money, and all of this stuff, you've got clear indicators of the real beginnings of a hidden system of finance that, like the transcripts in the Monmouth hearings bring out, are wholly outside.
Of the control of the United States Treasury and directly under the control of the military.
So, there's a structure being put into place that I think even involves some early kind of precursor to the IMF special drawing rights to create a global hidden currency or unit of account.
And then, after the war, as Daniel mentioned earlier, you had the Truman administration authorizing the covert recovery of all of that looted Japanese plunder in the Philippine Islands.
And Truman takes the decision to keep that whole recovery operation top secret.
And use the funds as a covert fund for covert operations.
And I think, given the astronomical amounts of money involved, black budget, top secret research.
And he puts the control of that recovery in the hands of the National Security Council.
So look what you have you have the military in World War II setting up this structure, this hidden system.
And then after the war, Truman adds the intelligence community to it.
There's your military industrial intelligence complex.
Right, right.
Wow.
Which Eisenhower would denounce.
Right.
And it's fascinating, though, because Truman himself, a month after JFK dies, writes an op ed saying, get rid of the CIA.
So even he, this whole thing up, was aware oh, no, it's created its own government.
It's a covert government of its own.
Yep, yep, yep.
Incredible.
Miss Olivia.
We'll stay on money for a while.
Okay.
So Chris Jefferson is asking Was the Golden Lily loot?
Entirely recovered by the NSC and our friend Ed Lansdale.
No, it was not.
The amounts of loot were so vast that General Yamashita buried around the Philippine archipelago, principally on the island of Luzon, but other places as well, that the story has always gone that Fernando or Ferdinand Marcos initiated his own recovery and had been successful to the extent that he opened up.
Numbered Swiss bank accounts with gold deposits, and that this was the reason that the Reagan administration shut him down was because he was getting into the supply that they were using for this secret system of finance.
And if it's coming, and I have no doubt that the Reagan administration did that.
I don't think, again, that it's coming directly from President Reagan.
I think it's coming from G.H.W. Bush.
Right.
Another hockey puck in the punch bowl.
Hey, we have his.
Legal aid when he was CIA director is attorney general now, Mr. Yeah, isn't that interesting?
I love that he gets around, yeah, Olivia.
Okay, Andy B. Supposedly, the U.S. gold is no longer in Fort Knox.
Does DJ or Dr. Farrell know where it went?
The last audit of the gold in Fort Knox was done, I believe, in 1957 57 or 67.
Amazing, and According to the stuff I've read about this, the auditors were only allowed to go into one of the vaults and they were not allowed to assay any of the gold in that vault.
So we don't know how much gold is there.
In addition, we have to remember that the depository, the gold depository bank in the United States, is not Fort Knox, it's the New York Federal Reserve.
Right.
And they have a habit of losing their gold.
Yes.
Well, the Germans have been asking for it back.
Yeah, the Germans tried to get their gold back.
And, you know, that takes me back to the episode with Hjalmar Schacht in 1928.
And he comes, you know, president of the Reichsbank, and he comes over and visits his good friend, Governor Strong of the New York Federal Reserve.
And Strong takes him down into the vaults.
And Schacht asks to see the Reichsbank's gold.
And the staff goes out and comes back a few minutes later with this horrified look on their faces that.
And they informed the governor, and and Yamar shocked.
Well, we can't find it.
And shocked, this is this classic shocked.
And he writes about this episode in his memoirs, so you know, I'm citing his memoirs.
He put it out there himself, yeah.
He put it out there himself.
He turns to Strong and he says, That's okay, I know you're good for it.
This is an Iron Bank, uh, Game of Thrones kind of moment, yeah.
And you know, shocked.
Schacht gets off with this very light sentence at Nuremberg, and people always wonder, what the heck, you know, how did he manage to do that?
And to this day, you can't convince me otherwise that it's got something to do with the fact that the New York Federal Reserve just happened to misplace Germany's gold.
I'm surprised he wasn't found in his cell with a cyanide capsule that he got.
Oh, how about that?
Well, it would be dangerous to do that with him.
He was one of the sneakiest, you know what, that you can imagine.
All right.
And then the other is his death.
He probably had his dead man's file somewhere.
I mean, after all, we're talking about a guy that turns up as an advisor to Aristotle Onassis, that turns up as an advisor to President Sukarno in Indonesia, turns up in Egypt during the overthrow of King Farouk, and all sorts of interesting places at interesting times.
Unbelievable.
There's little DeMar Schultz.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I mean, if you think oil and grease, think Kalmar Shock.
Amazing, Miss Olivia.
Okay, I've got another kind of block of questions.
Yes.
Ghost Recon.
Is the breakaway civilization a counterbalance of power to the banksters, or are they under the banking thumb too?
Oh, that's a good question.
Let me put it this way if you're setting up a hidden system of finance, you're going to have to have the participation of the major prime banks.
Of the Western financial system.
I think that's clearly indicated.
Hong Kong, Shanghai Bank, Royal Bank of Scotland, Imperial Bank of Canada, Federal Reserve, all of it.
But I do suspect that it is a counterbalance in the sense that Don Corleone is a counterbalance to the other dons at the table.
There are no good guys.
There are no good guys.
Right.
Miss Olivia.
Okay, so to what extent can the latter day residue of the Nazi deep state apparatus, the Nazi international, be tied to the 21 trillion that has washed through the Pentagon?
I think, oh boy, what a question.
That's a whole show.
That's a whole show.
Let's put it this way I definitely think that there are indicators of some sort of ongoing international economic financial war.
Between this country and Germany, and standing squatting right in the middle of it all is Deutsche Bank.
And the reason I think that is that it's Deutsche Bank that put a lot of those very strange puts prior to 9 11.
It's Deutsche Bank that is behind many of the banking failures in Italy.
It's Deutsche Bank that ended up holding a lot of the credit default swaps and derivatives after the 2008 financial bailouts.
I suspect that it is all pervasive.
Now, in connection to the $21 trillion, I don't see as yet any direct connection there, other than it's very intriguing to note that the Pentagon's.
Auditing and accounting processes are entirely in private corporate hands.
And once you start looking at those corporations, Lockheed Martin, you know, the whole nine yards, once you start looking at those large defense contractors, you start to see how they're all kind of carefully interlinked.
And you have certain banks with their fingers in it Chase Manhattan, again, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Royal Bank of Scotland, Deutsche Bank, Commerzbank, Banque de Paris, Paybah, and so on and so forth.
So You've got a lot of networked connections there that I think are capable of concealing that kind of money and that are also capable of manipulating markets in a variety of underhanded ways.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I might think that something along this line might be more related to like BCCI.
Yes.
BCCI is.
Squatting right in the middle of all of this.
Another famous bank, New Gone Hand Bank in Australia back in the 70s, is another one of these banks.
The savings and loan scandal, I think, is connected to this.
These major banking failures.
And by the way, BCCI is connected to a fellow by the name of Adnan Khashoggi.
Oh.
Oh.
And InSlaw.
Oh.
And Promise Software.
Wow.
Yeah, now that picture comes clear.
Yeah, this focused a lot of blurry stuff.
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I've been working on a very special episode about Khashoggi.
I want your input on that one because he is somebody I think that we don't understand in terms of impact.
But this was literally the richest, most powerful man in the world.
Go back and read the third way and the affidavit of Adnan Khashoggi to the House committee that was probing inslaught.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Excellent point.
That's an incredible book, by the way.
And it's the perfect precursor to this one.
So, you know, what's great about the third way is you get the history of CERN in there.
This is crucial because, as we know, there's with that CERN connection, we've got people from the Warren Commission setting it up.
Yeah.
And the Nazi behind it all.
Right.
Was a fellow that was an advisor to several post war German chancellors.
An advisor.
Yeah.
And it is remarkable, I think, to think about how CERN operates in this kind of sovereign void where nobody can really get a handle on it, legally or otherwise.
It has that quality, just like those banks do, of this kind of independent entity that operates in its own.
Well, if CERN can get loans, if it's authorized in its sovereign status to get loans, that means it's putting out sovereign securities.
On what?
And if so, where are they?
I haven't seen any CERN bonds trading on the markets that I'm aware of, but yet that's in its charter.
Well, it's probably Higgs Boson currency.
Unbelievable.
That's John J. McCloy that you brought out as having the signature.
Uh, is setting up CERN there back in the 19, late 1950s.
Um, Miss Olivia Anxious Squirrel wants to know can this factional struggle in government be aligned in any way to battles between the mystery schools?
Oh, yeah, I think so.
Yeah, no question.
Yeah, I the reason why is again, I kind of take the Hoagland hypothesis here and his idea that you've got three sort of hidden esoteric factions with their own agendas within NASA, you know, the Masons, the Magicians, and the Nazis.
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Uh, and they all have their own.
Definite esoteric backgrounds.
I mean, you know, it's very clear that the Masons do.
And the Nazis, you know, they're involved in their own versions of esoterica.
I think you're looking at, like you're bringing out in this ex-steganography series, that you're looking at something that's very, very old.
And At certain times, these factions rise and then they seemingly disappear.
But the way I look at it is you're dealing with the KGB.
First it was the Cheka, and then it was the NKVD, and then it was the MVGB, and then it was the KGB, and now it's the FSI.
Same organization, different name.
Yeah, right, right.
Absolutely.
There's a book that you did, which we did an episode on, which is Thrice Great Hermetica.
Yeah.
And the richness of this kind of mystery school thread through things like the Venetians and the control of money, then, I think is something that's crucial to understand Columbus and the Templars and this whole aspect of early America, too.
So it is an old thing.
Yeah.
Talk about steganography.
Just look at the occult symbols on currencies, on currencies, or on coins.
You know, there's symbolism all over the place on most major nations' currency.
True.
Sort.
And, you know, that's a clue.
That's a clue as to what these people are and what they're really about.
No question.
No question.
There's a kind of spell in action.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, absolutely.
They're amulets, they're talismans.
You know, every time you pass paper money, you're passing amulets and talismans.
And, uh, You can get lost really quite easily in studying some of the esoteric symbolism on major world currency.
Absolutely lost.
It's fascinating because one of the things, this is so interesting, and we'll go into another show, but Vice President Henry Wallace had a big, big role in getting the actual American seal on the back of the dollar.
And what it had before Wallace got his hands on it, it was an X.
They actually had X steganography on the back of the dollar bill.
Yep.
And what he did, introducing the seal with the pyramid and all that from the original American Revolution, I mean, that is esoteric stuff.
Well, look at Confederate money for your ex steganography.
It doesn't get any.
That's hardcore.
Yeah, it really is.
It really is.
No question.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
We're here with Dr. Joseph Farrell.
We're wrapping up the show.
We're going to just take a couple more questions.
And the book is McCarthy, Monmouth, and the Deep State.
This is a book that goes deep into this period that we'll call the hearings and investigation period.
Of the 50s.
And it was rife with uncovering, going behind that wall of secrecy and all the wild things they did to kind of shut it down.
And the figures that emerged out of that, like the Kennedys, for example, would continue that battle.
And on the other end of the spectrum, people who were surviving inside of that swamp, like Roy Cohn, would go on to set up the current president and be his political mentor and really give him that down low on what was going on here.
So this is just an earth shaking.
Now, there's a large UFO file and there's a large exotic technology implication to this book as well.
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So, I think in that sense, it's such a breakthrough.
It's not only historical in terms of the picture, but in terms of that deeper picture.
So, everyone, I highly recommend it.
Lulu.com is where the book is.
It just came out, and this is something that you need to have on your bookshelf.
Miss Olivia.
There are the most fantastic questions, and I'm never going to be able to answer them.
And it's so frustrating.
We're just going to have to have Dr. Farrell.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So these two are linked.
A cult fan wants to know what Dr. Farrell means about these clear occultslash esoteric objectives.
And David Donaway says, Does esoteric magic run the world via its law and money systems?
Wow.
Well, the agendas, I think, depend on which occult group you're talking to.
But ultimately, they have one thing in common, as far as I can tell.
And that's a certain kind of.
Anti Christianism, I don't know how to put it.
They all have an agenda to remake civilization and get rid of that last 2,000 years of history to a certain extent.
But again, that depends on the group.
The agenda, I think, also involves space and a recognition.
By some of these groups, that ultimately going into space means the possibility or potential of encountering the old ones, the old gods, or what have you, or genetic cousins, as I like to call them.
Yes.
I think that definitely is a part of the agenda.
Now, I think some of these people want that to happen, and I think others of them don't want that to happen because of the way that they're reading the influence of that group on human history.
The X itself could be any number of things.
I tend to think of it as a marker or a footprint that a certain group is behind certain things.
I tend to think that some groups would view it as a Christian symbol.
I think other groups would view it as an unchristian symbol.
Yeah.
Again, it depends on the group you're talking about.
That's what makes this difficult because within masonry itself, You've got the Blue Lodge, you've got the York Rite, you've got the Scottish Rite.
And even there, when you factor in elements like the Bavarian Illuminati, who are twisting masonry for absolutely foul purposes, you have something entirely different.
So you have to be very, very careful of the group that you're dealing with.
And that's difficult.
That's why I don't write that many books about it, because it's such a maze of mirrors to try and distinguish them at times.
And the other thing we need to remember.
Is these groups will work with each other at certain points and then, like the mafia, turn on each other and go out and start shooting, you know?
So that's the golden dawn.
Yeah, exactly.
The golden dawn, you know, stop and think of all the little internecine fights in any one of these little groups.
Oh, yeah.
And you get the picture.
So it's very, very difficult.
You can't sit down and say, well, the Masons are behind it all or the Jesuits are behind it all or, you know, it's a mafia war.
Yeah.
Well, the maze of mirrors is by design.
Yes, exactly.
It is.
No question.
Man, that's interesting what you said about the Christian implications of the Acts, because of course there's St. Andrew's Cross, which is the book of the dead.
Yes.
But you'll find the Book of the Dead.
Yep.
Yeah.
So it's definitely across, it works for its purposes depending on who is using it for totally different reasons.
Right.
Fascinating.
Miss Olivia, let's do the last question.
I'm not ready for the last one yet.
I just want to follow up on this one.
A cult fan wanted you to clarify Are you implying Christian is anti space?
No, no, not at all.
No, no, not at all.
My view would be more like C.S. Lewis's view that it is something that inevitably, by the nature of the case, will involve those ancient ones.
And the record is fairly clear.
Some of those ancient ones are not too good, and some of those ancient ones are really good.
So, again, it's a case of you shall know them by their fruits, I guess.
But no, I would not think that Christianity is against this because if you look at people like St. John of Damascus or in the Middle Ages, Thomas Aquinas or Albertus Magnus, they're speculating all the time.
On alternative life forms, bodiless intelligences, and so on and so forth.
So, you know, this is something that's been in Islam too.
You know, they have a whole tradition of this type of speculation on intelligences that are higher than we are and that inhabit some realm that's kind of sidereal to the material world.
So, you know, I don't see that at all.
Fascinating.
That made me think of Swedenborg and his.
Swedenborg, yeah.
Yes, those journeys to other planets.
Yeah.
And, you know, Giordano Bruno, people like this.
It's there, and certainly in esoteric Judaism, you know, Buddhism has a whole pantheon of stuff dedicated to this.
So, you know, Christianity is not unusual in that.
Enoch's there in space.
Yeah, exactly.
Read Enoch, you know.
There's one interesting thing there I wanted to bring up.
It's just a short snapshot, and it's a very deep, deep subject, but your Tower of Babel moment metaphor always.
Grabs me, and you know, you've used it in books and conferences, and whenever you've talked about that, I think it's a fundamental principle to be understood.
Can you just give us a little flash of what that is?
Well, I use the Tower of Babel moment to symbolize that stage in human history.
If you read the biblical account, you know, there's Mesopotamian accounts and so on and so forth, but if you read the biblical account, it's very unusual in that most of the time you're sitting down, you're reading the Old Testament, and God intervenes in the affairs of man, and usually the case is, well, he's intervening because humanity is going in some direction that's considered sinful.
But the Tower of Babel story is unique in that it does not say that.
Right.
It says, well, if they finish this project, they will be able to do whatsoever they imagine to do, so we better go down there and put a stop to it.
And, you know, the funny thing is, is that.
Perspective is kind of echoed in the weirdest places.
It's echoed in Mesoamerica and so on and so forth.
So, how do you intervene and scramble a project in the most devious, underhanded Byzantine way that you can?
Do you rain asteroids down on them?
No.
You confuse their speech so that nobody can communicate with each other.
C.S. Lewis and that hideous strength has a perfect example when Merlin casts the Babel spell on his version of DARPA when they're having this big.
Banquet and everybody starts talking gibberish at each other, and panic breaks out because no one can understand what anybody else is saying, and the whole project falls apart, which is the point of the story.
But I also use the Tower of Babel moment to symbolize the potential thinking of the post World War II national security state when it's confronted with UFOs.
Inevitably, some of these reports are going to be so bizarre that they're going to be taken or understood as are we dealing with extraterrestrials?
Are we dealing with those guys that we read about in the Bible or the Mesopotamian texts or so on?
And are they back and are they going to interfere with us?
And the reason I call that a Tower of Babel moment of history is that we're getting to the point scientifically where, again, to cite the biblical text, we will be able to do whatsoever we imagine to do.
And You know, we'd better put a stop to that.
So, I'm thinking that the national security state is going to take this as another tower of potential Tower of Babel moment of human history.
That we've got to be very, very careful, yeah, with this technology that we're developing, particularly you know, all that off the book stuff, right?
Exactly.
You know, it's amazing.
Um, this is such a great crystallization point that we have to understand that they look at these ancient things and they do investigate them and they're looking for those answers.
Which you brought up so well in this whole archaeology wars aspect.
And when I think of that Tower of Babel moment that you discuss, it's always in the context of understanding those stories are demonstrating back there some kind of very advanced technology.
And, you know, there's something we brought out a few episodes ago, which was that there was a CIA study that was commissioned in 1964 to study the possibility that Edgar Cayce's Hall of Records existed under the Sphinx.
Mm hmm.
Well, let's think about that.
I mean, what is it that they were looking for?
Obviously, they're aware of that technology and the implications of a hall of records from Atlanteans under the Sphinx.
So they're working with this on a regular basis.
Absolutely.
Absolutely, they are.
Absolutely, they are.
And, you know, the thing about this Tower of Babel moment of history again, the biblical text is very unusual in what it's describing.
It's describing a tower which can reach unto heaven.
Humanity to do whatsoever it imagines to do.
So I'm thinking you have to put out of your mind these Renaissance paintings of, you know, these big buildings that they're insanely trying to crawl up to heaven.
That's not what they're doing.
What it is, it's a metaphor for understanding the deep physics of heaven itself.
In other words, the mind of God.
And if you look at the beginnings of modern Western science, this is precisely the way they're thinking that they're trying to, I believe it was Newton said that.
They're trying to think God's thoughts after him and discover his thoughts in the handwork of nature.
So, you know, once you start getting to the point now where you're building colliders that are designed to find the God particle, what does that tell you?
Yeah.
They're doing this stuff all over again.
And, you know, it's another Tower of Babel moment.
Yeah.
No question about it.
Tower of Babel moment, I think, is something in the lexicon that helps us understand a great deal.
And I'm so.
Glad that you brought that forward because it seems to me to really crystallize a number of very serious ideas in relation to how we're looking, you know, from the leadership end of it, from the leadership side, looking back and understanding the power, even of those relics, right, and even of the stories associated with them.
It has to be understood.
We're not going to get a handle on it if we just think of it as, you know, oh, it's the separate thing.
And these archaeologists or these alternative historians are looking at it, you know, like a Graham Hancock is interested.
In it, but the CIA doesn't care.
It doesn't work that way.
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No.
Miss Olivia, the last question.
Okay.
Oh, it's a hard one.
I'm going to go.
Before you say it, I want to remind everyone you're watching The Dark Journalist Show.
We're here with Dr. Joseph Farrell and his new book, which is absolutely stunning in its revelations and relates very much to his old book, The Third Way, which set it up.
And now this book, I think, really brings it.
To fruition, all about the McCarthy hearings relating to Monmouth, and it's a completely new revelation around that.
I really highly recommend it.
The book is available at Lulu, and it is called McCarthy, Monmouth, and the Deep State.
Just an incredible read.
And with that in mind, Miss Olivia?
Okay, I'm going to go with geopolitics.
Jack Harper, please ask Joseph if the Nazi international is still operating.
Why have they allowed mass migration into Europe if presumably they still retain their old ideology?
Oh, excellent question.
I do believe it's still operating.
And the Europe scenario is one that I have entertained an unusual hypothesis.
And the hypothesis is that Europe, the European Union, needs a culture of its own.
In other words, they're trying to create a backlash.
By bringing in a provocation of a civilization that's very different.
And you can see the backlash beginning to happen.
In other words, I think this was a long term project.
It was one of their objectives to accomplish two things.
Number one, get rid of the last vestiges of Christianity in European culture.
And two, to do so in such a way that it will provoke a backlash.
To move Europe away from that, but at the same time, give it an identity, a secular identity that is not Islamic, that is not Eastern European, that's not American or anything identifiable, but to create a backlash of loyalty to the Union itself.
Now, I think the signs are very clear that that whole agenda has fallen apart.
Don't get me wrong.
Yeah.
And the reason I say that is that you now have.
Interesting moves being done in European governments to reconnect their own populations with their own historical tradition.
Denmark being one of the first to do this.
You're seeing it, I think, happen in an unofficial capacity in France.
There's no doubt in my mind that it's going to come roaring back in France.
You're certainly seeing it in Austria.
You're seeing it in the Netherlands.
You're seeing it with Brexit in Great Britain.
So, what their gamble has done is it has collapsed in the sense that it's forced people back upon their national culture rather than a unifying European culture.
Right.
And that's the problem.
But that, I think, is what has happened.
Was the Nazi international involved with this?
I think to a certain extent, yes.
Because if you look at the murky backgrounds of murky Merkel, She was mentored into her position as the leader of the Christian Democratic Party in Germany.
I was about to say Greater Germany.
You know, we're all one big happy Reich again, folks.
But anyway, if you look at her background, she was mentored into the leadership of the CDU by Helmut Kohl.
So start digging around into Helmut Kohl's background, and you're going to find some interesting.
Interesting little Nazi connections to the guys.
That's very bizarre.
And he was right there with the reunification.
And he just happened to have that all ready to go.
How about that?
How about that?
Yeah.
Pull it out of a hat.
Yeah.
How do you all of a sudden get a Stasi state like East Germany, where virtually everybody's a spy, how do you get that all of a sudden to.
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Collapse and go for this shotgun wedding thing that he's got waiting in the wings.
And my suspicion is and has always been that the Stasi very deliberately played along with the Soviets, but that it was nothing but an ongoing extension of Galen's old network in the Eastern Zone.
Because when that started to happen in 1989, You had these little cells suddenly popping up with lots of money, cell phones, computers, and they started to take over and drive the agenda for reunification.
When the protests started, all they wanted were reforms in the East German government.
No one was talking about a shotgun wedding.
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
You know, he orchestrated that to the hilt.
I mean, it's amazing.
The speed was remarkable.
Oh, yeah.
It was breathtaking.
It was just like.
It reminds me of the like, you know, 9 11 happens and look, here's a Patriot Act.
Yeah, yeah, geez.
Fancy that.
Just happened to have this handy.
You know, we're going to end on this note, which is a wild one, but you found a very, very unusual connection to Cole in relation to Timothy McVeigh.
And I can't help it.
I have to just have you touch on that before we leave.
Well, I was living in Tulsa, Oklahoma at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing.
I got this call from some friends, turn on the TV now.
So I did.
I watched it all day and I watched the reports changing.
But the connection to Cole with Timothy McVeigh was in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
There's this strip club on Sheridan Avenue called Lady Godiva's.
And Timothy McVeigh was often seen in this club with a companion by the name of Andy the German.
Andy the German, his real name was Andreas Strassmeyer.
And Strassmeyer was the quote unquote security chief for one of these white Aryan militant Christian something or others that is based in a little town just outside of Roland, Oklahoma, which is right across the border from Fort Smith.
And he was their security chief.
And on the day that the Oklahoma City bombing occurred, a number of people said, You've got to round this guy up.
Strassmeyer was arrested on Interstate 40, just outside of Roland, by a local deputy sheriff.
He was traveling without, like Timothy McVeigh, without any plate.
He was pulled over, he was arrested, taken off to jail, and he had this attache case with him.
And the sheriff wanted to know what was in it.
And Andy, the German, says, Well, you can't open that.
It has diplomatic immunity.
So, you know, the sheriff thinks, Yeah, right.
You know, off to jail.
So off he goes to jail.
And then pretty soon this sheriff starts getting calls from a lieutenant general in Fort Benning, Georgia, another general in the Pentagon, from Governor Frank Keating.
And all of these people are telling him, You've got to release him right away.
He has diplomatic immunity.
And eventually the sheriff does this.
I mean, the pressure on him was just enormous.
So eventually, he releases Andy Strassmayer, who then disappears at the same time that the FBI puts out a bolo alert pick this guy up.
And incredible.
At that point, the FBI, you know, they launch a nationwide manhunt for Andreas Strassmayer, who simply disappears.
Well, he turns up eventually in Berlin, where he gives a press conference.
Say, well, I, yeah, you know, I'm right here in Berlin, you know, here I am, FBI, come and get me, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Well, it turned out that Andreas Strassmeyer was a captain in the Bundeswehr, that's the German army.
He was a graduate of the Hanover War Academy, that's kind of the Wehrmacht, I mean, the Wehrmacht, the Wehrmacht West Point.
Yeah, the Freudian slip, folks, you know, it's like the old Tom Lehrer song.
The Wehrmacht, I mean the Bundeswehr.
But anyway, he was a graduate of the German version of West Point.
He had trained in commando tactics.
And the clincher is his father was a member of the German parliament and a member of Chancellor Kohl's cabinet as a minister without portfolio in charge of the plan for German reunification.
Incredible.
Andy the German.
Andy the German.
And his lawyer in this country was the notorious Kirk Lyons, who was that lawyer that, you know, was the attorney of record for all these little neo Nazi groups around the country.
And on, you know, the clincher is on one occasion, Strassmeyer was actually seen entering an American federal building using the key security code punch.
Wow.
Yeah.
And.
It turns out that how he got back to Germany when the FBI has launched this nationwide manhunt is that Chancellor Cole deployed the German GSG 9.
That's their version of Delta Force footage.
Yes.
To this country to get him out of here.
Incredible.
It's like sending in the Blue Berets.
Yeah, it's like sending in the Blue Berets to a foreign nation without being invited to do so, which.
Which could be construed as an act of war.
You know, it's just nutty.
Incredible story.
That is such dark journalism.
Yeah, it really is.
Quantum Mechanics and Ether Theory00:02:51
That's the very heart of it.
That's an incredible story.
Amazing stuff.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Thanks for having me back, Daniel.
Enjoyed it.
We actually have more viewers right now than we have had all night.
We could just keep going.
I know.
That's just the nature of the thing.
But it's been incredible.
Of course, the book is McCarthy, Mom Moth, and the Deep State.
There's so much detail in there that I hope to get you back on to talk about it more.
And there's a lot of implications.
And I can only imagine there's some follow up that you'll be doing on this because.
Eventually, yes.
I had a feeling.
But you've opened up a lot.
We're working on that now.
Thanks, Olivia.
Can I sneak in?
One, yeah, okay, all right, just because there were so many great science questions we didn't get to.
Uh huh.
So, David Tormino wants to know Joseph, do you agree that Einsteinian quantum physics is just a cover story for ether based Tesla scalar beam tech?
Well, Einstein had difficulties with quantum mechanics, as I'm sure most people are aware.
Aspects of the standard model of quantum mechanics, I do think, can be.
Made to be adaptable to a theory of the ether.
And the reason I say that is that if you look at a British physicist by the name of Paul Dirac, D I R A C, if you look at his version of quantum mechanics, in effect, what you have is a quantum mechanics version of ether theory.
So I think it can be done from that perspective.
If you approach it from the standpoint of vector analysis, I think it can be.
Rationalized with the right kind of mathematics to some of that stuff as well, if you employ, you know, quaternion geometry and stuff like that.
So, yeah, but, you know, I'm hedging it here because I don't know exactly what's in your mind when you say Einsteinian quantum physics.
I think aspects of entanglement and non locality are clear indicators of a kind of an ether physics.
Because that's the most bizarre aspect of quantum mechanics.
And if you look at it from the standpoint of information theory, what you're really talking about is a field of information.
And once you put it in those terms, then you're square back to this idea of an ether.
Taco Ends the Show00:03:19
Absolutely.
Well, we'll make everyone happy and we'll have you come back on and talk about Gabriel Crone.
Oh, yeah, I left General Electric out of the mod.
It's in the book, folks.
Right, exactly.
Start there.
Start with the book.
Joseph, thank you so much.
It's great to see you.
And you said that thing about cold medicine.
I've never seen you in more rare form in my life.
Well, I'm still as high as a kite.
I am.
I am because I don't know what it is with me, but my body, any sinus medicine, just absolutely makes me.
I'm up here having a good old time.
Well, you did fantastic.
It's amazing information.
Of course, your work is available at gizadeathstar.com and just incredible, remarkable information.
Thanks so much for being with us.
You're more than welcome.
It's fantastic to see you.
And thank you so much, everyone who's out there.
Great questions tonight, David Termina, Lee Veltman.
I see Lee is out there.
Of course, Kate, Deep State Kate, fantastic.
Great to see you, Groovy Bean.
Thank you so much.
And Charlotte Knight, thank you for coming out.
Matt Jones, just a great crowd tonight.
Nimza is out there.
Walter Bosley was there.
Walter Bosley, fantastic.
Hello, Walter.
Walter, nice cover, Walter, for Joseph's book.
Bibi is out there as well.
And we will see everyone next week.
We're going deep into the hot zone, as we will be for the next four episodes.
And of course, in the very heart of the hot zone.
So I want to remind everyone go to darkjournalist.com, sign up for the newsletter, stay in touch with us.
And that's really with all of the incredible censorship and just throwing people left and right off of social media.
It's a remarkable thing to view.
So make sure that we have that pipeline going on.
And of course, the question of the night is the last question of the night.
And it's Miss Olivia, what's for dinner?
They have been taunting me with words like taco and salsa.
So, no, I'm starving.
I've been starving for the last half hour.
We've got to go get Mexican while we still can.
I think taco is a good way to end the show, actually.
Thank you so much, everyone.
And we will see you next week on Friday.
And we're going deep into the hot zone, which is all going to culminate with my live show with Graham Hancock.
On May 25th, here in Cambridge.
And it's a sold out show now, but we're working on getting some streaming for that show, possibly for parts of it.
I can't promise anything yet, but we're looking at it.
But we're definitely going to have Graham on the show as well.
And we're going to have Joseph come back.
And the spring is looking fantastic because we'll also have Catherine Austin Fitz on the show and Gigi Young.