Dark Journalist and Olivia dissect the Pine Gap cover-up, alleging it hid a $100 million Blue Gemini UFO program defunded by JFK. They trace Nixon's involvement in free energy research, link Australian PMs' removals to opposition against the base, and connect the "X" symbol to Nazi Bell technology via the NIMSA organization. The discussion posits that secret societies like the Vril Society suppressed advanced aerospace tech through steganography, while suggesting Pine Gap remains a repository for hybrid human research and Apollo communications, implying global elites control humanity's technological evolution. [Automatically generated summary]
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Blue Gemini and the UFO File00:14:44
And we are live.
This is Dark Journalist, and it's great to have everyone here.
You know, we have a very special broadcast tonight because what we're going to do is something a little bit different, which is we're looking very hardcore into these X's, as we have been.
And one of the things that I want us to really focus in on tonight is I think we've found the trail of where the majority of the exotic technology has landed.
And that's why this is going to be a very special broadcast and an important one.
So, thank you very much for joining us.
Of course, we have the lovely Olivia with us.
Hi, everybody.
And of course, ask her your questions in caps because it's going to make it easier to sift through.
We might take questions a little early tonight.
We have Walter Bosley joining us, but he will be on in the second hour.
And in the first hour, we're going to go through the progression of this X maze, this X broadcast, this X steganography that has been.
Really coming into focus so much in these shows because one of the main things that I've been trying to do is understand when we look at these deep state things.
It's one thing to call out the deep state or the breakaway civilization or the secret space program, it's another thing to actually get into who they are traceably without just yelling Rothschild or without just yelling, you know, Rockefeller, although they both come up in this.
We need to know it on a deeper level.
It can't be a kind of a quick, hey, it's the Bilderberg group.
We need something.
A lot more comprehensive to work with.
And that's where I've been orienting my own research around this so much lately is to get us into who and what has been controlling the UFO file since at least the Kennedy era.
And I found very convincing evidence now that I'll present tonight about where that trail leads.
And it's pretty surprising in some ways, although it's been on the radar, it's never been on the radar the way we're going to put it on the radar tonight.
By the time we're done with this X broadcast, you're going to understand.
I'd say in the first few that we've set up how the X has shown up as this unusual symbol all the way through these space programs, early aeronautics, and in the late 50s.
But what we're going to do tonight is even go deeper and figure out where it landed finally.
And that's going to be quite significant.
I'm going to do a lot of show and tell.
So we're going to get through this first hour on the X. In the second hour, we'll bring in Walter Bosley, who's going to talk about NIMSA and that secret society in the Sonora.
Aero Club and all that California early German groups going out there and creating these airship mysteries and who was behind that.
So it's really going to be an incredible show.
And of course, last week we had Joseph Farrell laying the foundation of where the Nazi aspect of that technology came from.
Now we're going to go even deeper still.
So let's start with this.
This, as we take a good look at it, is Pine Gap.
That's in Australia.
And it's in the Northwest Territories.
You know, it's a very unusual case about how this came up in the first place.
There's another quite compelling shot.
These weren't authorized shots, by the way.
A lot of the reporters who went in on this definitely had issues getting that kind of shots.
But it's a series of domes, and it's been a facility that's been operating and basically protected the UFO file since 1967.
Its ostensible purpose.
Has been to give us this invincible kind of.
Well, its original purpose was to study space, and then people realized after a while it was an eavesdropping station by the NSA on all of our enemies, quote unquote, in the area.
And what was fascinating about it for me was the more we get into Pine Gap, the more we realize the shenanigans started at the very beginning.
They go back even further than Pine Gap itself and they get right into that X trajectory.
But I'm going to start off tonight's show with this Blue Gemini program.
There's Blue Gemini.
Blue Gemini was a very compelling program.
It was started just before the Kennedy administration came in, technically, although on paper it'll show up in 1962.
In fact, the space reports and the different people and scholars who've looked at this and the different reporters.
Have figured out that this program lay out there and the president didn't even know it was active.
So, this, in my opinion, as we'll see as we look at Blue Gemini, it's so tied in with the X that we can see that what was happening was the UFO file, the information there was moving into Blue Gemini.
Now, Blue Gemini, by the time it came in to focus in 1962, was still a highly guarded project.
And by the way, we only got real info on Blue Gemini in 2015.
Because that's when the NRO was forced to release a number of their records concerning the program.
This is a program that was clocking $100 million back then, if you can translate those dollars.
It's astronomical.
And the idea was ostensibly it was going to create these manned missions, and it was going to be a kind of a space station that you could set up where they could disembark the astronauts and send them off and do different things.
What happened, though, with Blue Gemini?
Was it largely used as a UFO recon program, which is where the hassle came in.
And there's a big hassle.
And a lot of that hassle comes up with McNamara, who really, Robert McNamara, being Kennedy's defense chief, he really had his fingers in a lot of pies.
And one of the incredible things that he was trying to do in that incredible process that JFK was trying to do was walk between this incredible Nazi, post war Nazi.
Group in the space program and around aerospace and the types of control that they were taking versus the military, which he also had issues with.
And he was trying to balance the power out.
Now, what happened was one of the early versions of Blue Gemini got scrapped, and that was called Miss.
And Eisenhower scrapped it and said, you know what, all that stuff is going into a civilian agency.
We're going to call it NASA because Sputnik and all these different things were happening.
There's a terrific documentary called Sputnik on Netflix, which really gives you a little bit of that background.
And it shows you just how much of a struggle it was for Eisenhower to get his hands back over that UFO file, which appears to me just being in charge of the space program was an essential point.
It was an essential thing to get that back.
Now, Eisenhower basically goes into a situation where he says, well, you know, this all needs to be civilian control.
So we're going to go with the NASA aspect.
And so the military is upset.
But what also is upset is this wing over here.
Of this CIA post war Nazi group that included people like von Braun, for example.
So we're really in quite a situation as we get into it.
And I think that Eisenhower putting that power into NASA and succeeding against all odds made it incumbent upon those groups like the CIA and the post war fascist influence to try to get their fingers on NASA,
which is really strange because what you can see McNamara doing with Blue Gemini is actually favoring the military over NASA.
Which is very odd.
And, you know, so everybody's game is kind of exposed at that point.
But Blue Gemini stands out because what's essentially happening is they're trying to create a UFO recon program and make it sort of half black program and half on the books program.
They're trying to get funding for it out in the open also.
And they're trying to obtain control over NASA reports and all the rest of it.
And so at a certain point, Kennedy discovers and the game's over, basically.
And Blue Gemini becomes defunded and.
McNamara comes in and says, you know, we're not going to go forward with this.
We're going to give all of Blue Gemini to the military, which is an amazing thing for the Kennedy administration to do because Kennedy was all about making sure the military didn't go too far.
But there are actually cases back there, like, for example, when Kennedy says, I'm going to smash the CIA in a thousand pieces and give their function back to the Joint Chiefs.
He's thinking, look, this is the devil that I know versus the unknown things that the CIA is doing over here on their own.
And those things were getting pretty extreme at that point, to the point where not only were they in control of this kind of international scene, but they were in control of this exotic technology.
So, Kennedy's move here is to say, I will give Blue Gemini back to the military, and this NASA, you know, von Braun wing is going to get stiffed on it.
Now, Blue Gemini is very unusual because it's been rumored for years that they didn't really know.
You know, the depth.
It's kind of the original secret space program because it was funded, but it was a black project.
And then there are still remnants of it out there.
I found even the original shot, which is in here somewhere, and I will show it to you eventually.
But I do feel that when we're looking at the UFO file and where it was coming out after Dornberger, Walter Dornberger, who we brought over as one of those paperclip Nazis that we discussed so much last week with Joseph Farrell, who made all of the X brand of space planes.
Now, those.
X brand space planes are crucial if we want to understand the UFO file and where the technology goes.
All you have to do is follow the X through history in those programs, and we've got it.
Now, I've done a number of things over the course of these, and I just want to reboot our understanding here real briefly to understand what the X is all about.
And I'm going to start at the end and work my way back.
So, we'll start with this, which I showed last week, which is Nixon's letter.
To President Trump in 1987, saying, Dear Donald, basically, if you ever run for president, you'll be a winner.
And Pat and I have decided that's a very cute letter.
I went a little deeper and found that the relationship between the Trumps and Nixon was tight.
That's John Connolly in the middle, who was in the car when Kennedy was assassinated.
It's a very unusual picture historically.
But what I found out and what I think is going to really make this interesting is there's now an article on the record saying that.
People in the White House know that letter so well because Trump keeps it right on his Oval Office desk, showing you the significance he placed on Nixon.
And, you know, if you've all been following my reporting on the Robert Merritt story and Nixon's time capsule, then you're getting a real feel here for the linkages and the things that are going on.
In short, Merritt was someone who had worked for Nixon in the Houston plan and was a real undercover operative at the time.
There's a great trail for him in history, there's a good paper trail for him as a federal informant.
So it's not somebody that we have to guess, you know, is this guy legit or.
Or is he something else?
He certainly was back there.
But he came out and he talked about these three meetings with President Nixon beneath the White House and how Nixon told him about having this time capsule that contained this information and a formula that would make the United States energy independent.
And it's a fascinating story.
But in history, there hasn't been a whole lot.
We've been uncovering all the real threats.
So, one of the first things we uncovered was the Bob Emmenager documentary, which The Nixon administration had funded that was all about UFOs, which eventually came out after Nixon was taken out of office.
So there's a Planet X aspect to that time capsule and the message that Nixon left behind.
So there's Nixon's X.
And we found this one, which is LBJ is X. Let's take a quick look at this.
And that is an X letter that says not to be opened till 2023, 50 years after the death of LBJ.
And the X envelope.
Was given to Harry Middleton, who's the director of the LBJ Library.
Interestingly enough, in 1994, two pages from this letter came out, and it was very unusual circumstances.
I think there was some kind of a Nixon revival going on after his death, and they just wanted to get in on it.
I'm not sure what was happening, but what it showed is that they were tracking the phone calls of Spiro Agnew, but all the calls were in New Mexico, which I found very unusual because, of course, all the UFO lore, as we know, goes to New Mexico.
Nevada.
So, a quick thing here on the stealth archives.
Stealth archives are things that we've been finding that show the truth about the UFO file and show us where that energy has been kept and where those programs have been inculcated.
And one of the interesting things that I found in this stealth archive is that Robert McNamara, the defense secretary under Kennedy, may be the first person and LBJ, the one who got us into Vietnam.
Or at least he took LBJ's orders into Vietnam.
Interestingly enough, he may be the first person on the record in a recently declassified NRO document to actually state that there's a secret space program, which I found remarkable.
And I will share that with you.
Secret Space Weaponry at Pine Gap00:16:05
First, let's take a quick look at this.
This is now Robert McNamara.
And he's giving his reasons why he doesn't like the funny business going on around X 20, which is one of these space planes.
They called it Dinosaur, D Y N A S O A R.
And this is the program that came up right after the Blue Gemini and was a major competitor with it.
Quote Now, this is McNamara The X 20 Dinosaur was not contemplated as a weapon system or even as a prototype of a weapon system.
It was a narrowly defined program limited primarily to developing the techniques.
Of controlled re entry at a time when the broader question of do we need to operate in near Earth orbit has not yet been answered.
I don't think we should start to lay out a billion dollar program until we lay down very clearly what we will do with the product.
What he's saying is let's not build a space weapon here.
This thing is for exploration of outer space.
What are you doing, basically?
And then the follow up on this, and this comes from a very interesting book called U.S. Hypersonic Research and Development The Rise and Fall of Dinosaur.
And this period is where, in getting into the space aspect, they have three things to consider.
One, they have the Soviet Union as a major competitor, but also, They don't want to trigger a nuclear war, especially under Kennedy.
We've seen over and over again a lot of these things are happening right around the Cuban Missile Crisis, and they're being very careful with their space maneuvers.
They don't want to provoke anybody.
On the other hand, this other group around the military and the CIA wing that has von Braun infiltrating NASA, they don't mind provoking the Soviet Union.
They seem to enjoy it, and they want to show their superiority and flex their nuclear weapons at any point.
So it's quite a dance that's going on here.
At the same time, they're trying to integrate this UFO technology and get their hands back on it.
And they can see in these projects that the von Braun and people are working on that some of these factors are coming into play.
So they're trying to get a handle on it, McNamara and Kennedy.
Now, what the book says after that quote by McNamara is this contrary to McNamara's statement, Air Force leaders had specifically defined dinosaurs' role as a weapon system.
So on the Air Force side, They defined it already as a weapon system.
Just like Blue Gemini, it was supposed to be this program for space exploration.
It's being turned to another purpose because the whole thrust behind many of these groups is to get into space weaponry.
And that is something that we're seeing happening now.
And it was a big push in the 1980s also.
The weaponization of space is the crux of so much of this, as we'll see as we go along.
The privatization of space is going to lend itself also to this.
I'm just going to read this.
Contrary to McNamara's statement, Air Force leaders had specifically defined dinosaurs' role as a weapon system and had long been charting its potential for routine access to space within the context of aerospace doctrine.
It was a strategic deterrent by performing nuclear bombardment interception logistics.
They were planning on a nuclear war, the guys in the military, and they were thinking, hey, we'll use this.
This is fantastic.
Now, a minute ago, I referenced that Trump had, with Nixon, kept that letter.
Telling him to run for president in 1987.
Subsequently, Nixon and Trump got very close.
So, here we have in this USA Today article the quote here Trump now keeps the brief letter on the table behind his desk at the Oval Office.
So, you know, here we have in print fundamentally that Nixon Trump connection is very important.
So, just keep that in mind as we go along.
We have a lot of great stuff to cover.
I do feel that when we look at Blue Gemini, if we have to kind of look through the eyes of everyone who's going to be after this stuff, and so all of the secrecy and all the different things that they're doing, basically they fail with Blue Gemini because they cannot bring out that kind of von Braun deep state version of the space program.
With Blue Gemini, they fail because the Kennedy administration steps in.
The Kennedy administration steps in in June of 63, right around the time he gives the American University speech about.
You know, we have to change our attitude towards the Russians and things like that.
And then six months later, he'll be assassinated.
Now, what we have to keep in mind is where do things go?
What happens?
You know, if Kennedy was such a big block, then where do these things go?
And what I found is that when we follow that X, which we've gone through this process of talking about how X went from Frank Scully, who was a witness to and heard these stories about a crash in Aztec and had talked to these witnesses about it, and there were people who were trying to get some attention on that story in 1950.
And he's the character that, you know, they have this whole thing where they make the X files in the FBI because of.
Frank Scully.
And the guy who's running the X Files is Guy Bannister, who eventually shows up in New Orleans running Lee Harvey Oswald as a communist operation, even though he's an extreme right winger.
So these things often are on that deep level very connected.
But we have to understand fundamentally with the X that we get the ability now through the steganography, through that system of seeing it move.
We're going to be able to watch it move through these decades and appear right here in 2018.
Okay, a few things about Pine Gap.
Its actual name is very unusual.
And I'm going to get into that because Pine Gap, when they introduced it, in my opinion, it's because of the failure of the Blue Gemini and what they couldn't integrate this whole program then.
They had these problems.
So Pine Gap is in Australia.
It's in kind of a very remote part of Australia.
And they decide we can start to do this UFO re engineering stuff here because you needed a place beyond Area 51 because you needed to test this in other terrains and all the rest of it.
And also, it was easy for people to infiltrate just one area.
So, that's one of the reasons Pine Gap becomes so important.
And in fact, it becomes the subject of all of these different reports by people like Glenn Greenwald and Snowden letting out that NSA had a whole program.
Around Pine Gap.
And it's the name of the program we'll find out had an X in it.
So, Pine Gap certainly is where they decided they were going to do this, but they came across resistance almost immediately by the prime minister there.
And he was saying, well, you know, we're in this situation.
We really don't want a military base here.
And they're saying, no, no, no, it's not a military base.
It's all going to be hunky dory.
And you're going to get great rewards from it.
Apparently, things didn't go so well because, as it turned out, he was presumed drowned at sea and was never seen again, not even the body.
Now, interestingly enough, there are people who've come out and said that in Australia that they were part of the team that participated in dumping his body at sea and all the rest of it.
And those cases have never been heard.
But there is someone who runs a site about that.
And I'll give you his name as we go along here.
But I think what we need to keep in mind.
Is the game that they're playing around the UFO file not lightly taken, you know, it's not lightly gone into.
They're very serious about keeping the technology secret, one, and removing obstacles.
And that comes down to people like JFK and like Kennedy.
And maybe, you know, we'll see a lot of the static around Trump is also related to this as we get into this.
So it's a really all encompassing kind of picture.
So I'm going to show you here and just run through a couple of these.
This is.
A craft that was shot outside of Pine Gap.
It's more recent though.
And it looks, doesn't it?
It's got a little bit of that to the stars kind of look to it.
Definitely like a re engineering type of craft as opposed to an authentic.
The amount of sightings by Pine Gap go absolutely through the roof after we have the facility set up.
And very often people report seeing craft, they report seeing blue beams, so much so that the nearby town of Wycliffe, which is near Alice Springs, which is close by, To Pine Gap in Australia, they start having these like theme parks and things that remind you of the like little alien in Area 51 and extraterrestrial highway and stuff because it's just something that's so common there now they're seeing these craft all over the place.
And this is another piece of that.
Take a good look at this.
I mean, these are people who are living with that.
That's in Australia.
That's not even Area 51.
So these people know something is up.
Now, Pine Gap becomes the focal point not of UFO.
Protesters or researchers, but of people protesting the policies of the United States coming in and using Australia as a puppet to eavesdrop on all these other countries.
And Australia, in fact, starts adopting some pretty hardcore rules regarding handguns, vaccines, and all the rest of it.
They've become a really largely dominated entity by the United States.
But Pine Gap basically represents the sine qua non, they're really top of the line in the research.
Around the X factor, as we go in here, the UFO file arrives at Pine Gap in the 70s and all the way up to the president.
And we're gonna come into more along this line.
So let's take a little more of a look at Pine Gap.
This is yet another prime minister.
Can you see that?
Yeah, that's him.
Go Whitlam.
He is a very fascinating character.
He's kind of like a Bernie Sanders type character that was around in the 70s.
And he did a fascinating thing, which is he created a populist movement in a country where they really hadn't seen one.
And he had incredible support across the board.
And he came in just before Watergate and all these different things.
One of his first things that he wanted to do was get the United States military bases out of Australia, or at least limit their role there.
And one of his main targets was Pine Gap.
Well, it's an extraordinary thing because his whole prime ministership and the entire time that he's there, he is celebrated by his people and all the rest of it.
But they do a very strange parliamentary move, and it's the largest constitutional crisis in Australian history where they just simply write him out and they say, you know, it doesn't matter if you got in this way through these different parliamentary roles, you're out.
And so it becomes, you know, this really dark cloud.
Watergate happens in 74, and they throw out this Australian Prime Minister in 75.
Both may be related to Pine Gap, as it turns out.
That's one thing I want to show you.
This other Australian Prime Minister, there he is with LBJ.
And a year later, he's the one who disappears.
And because he was the early version, he was the guy in 67 who said, I don't want to do this.
He disappears to such a point that his body isn't even found, as I pointed out.
Now, this picture is a hole in a mountain.
It looks a lot like Area 51 style stuff.
Well, that's Pine Gap.
And there's a lot of these.
And basically, what we've seen is that the terrain there was really perfect for this.
As a matter of fact, it was better than Area 51 for a lot of reasons.
And certainly, by the time the 1990s hit and Area 51 became everybody's favorite punchline, oddly enough, the whole kind of focus around Pine Gap.
Never rose to that level when, in fact, I think it's a much more operated base in terms of the UFO file.
So let's go a little bit further.
There are a number of stories about UFO development in Pine Gap.
I can't go through all of them, but I want to grab at one here.
Okay, so one of them coming from this Techno Realities blog, quite good actually.
So basically, in the 70s, there was a newspaper that made a report.
It's called The Nation in Australia, and I have a photo of it here.
But the newspaper basically said, you know what, as it turns out, Nixon is behind Pine Gap, and that they've been doing secret work for him this whole time.
Now, it's fascinating about this, it's fascinating for a couple of reasons, actually.
But Nixon, as we know, had been doing the Eminem Egger documentary, he'd been preparing for UFO disclosure.
As early as 1971.
Now, he had in the 50s, as we went back through, if you go back through a few of our programs, you will find Nixon is in charge of the CIA Blue Book project, which was the more advanced version of Project Blue Book.
And Project Blue Book, the one that we got, was basically the joke version.
And it didn't, you know, it did not live up at all.
It was the one where they were like, ooh, you know, the planet Venus was out there, or maybe there was something, but we couldn't quite tell what it was.
CIA Blue Book, they were actually dealing with entities and they were dealing with recovered craft and things like that.
It was the advanced level.
And so Nixon was there, according to several whistleblowers now on record over time.
And as we can see, it makes sense as we get along in this picture.
But by the time we're getting into the early 70s, this article, which I find very interesting, I'm just trying to get a good shot of it.
This is.
A little fuzzy on it.
And I'm going to try to get my hands on the actual newspaper.
I've got the front of it here.
Bear with me a second.
But this is absolutely crucial because we're going to find as we go along here that Nixon and Pine Gap were deeply related.
And that is a closer look at the writer there, William H. Martin.
So, a lot of interesting things around this too, because there was a researcher back in the 70s who wrote a book called Cosmic Conspiracy.
Stan Deo, he's still around now, but he's often associated with the kind of almost like born again aspects, religious aspects around these things.
Prospero Satellites and Nixon's Ties00:15:18
But he did good research back there, and he talks all about the story and how it was out.
And basically, what the article says is that Nixon, and this is in 73 now, and it says Nixon in 1975 is going to announce this free energy initiative.
That he got from working on these propulsion projects at Pine Gap.
This is someone in the know getting the information out.
As it turns out, they had a hard time tracking down this writer, Deo, in the 70s, writing Cosmic Conspiracy and trying to track down this guy.
And when he looked at the name William H. Martin, it turns out it was an early aviation person.
So the guy was using a name, you know, as if I was writing under like Nikola Tesla or something like that.
And so it gets very deep, which is one of the reasons why we have Walter Bosley on tonight, because going back into that earlier airship period, we're tracking the X once again.
So the name of the article was Pine Gap Does Sci Fi Research for Tricky Dick.
And it outlines how Nixon has been having Pine Gap do these experiments to try to get at this free energy.
And how they're going to announce it in 1975.
Now, let's keep in mind Nixon funding the UFO documentary, and of course, Merritt's unusual story about the time capsule and the formula.
We're getting the idea that Nixon was the one who wanted to make himself the disclosure president, and the bicentennial was going to be the perfect excuse to do it, although he had run two terms.
Making the United States energy independent in that energy crisis was going to give him a third term.
Okay, so we're back to the X, and I'm going to show you how.
Let's not forget the X. That's also the dark journalist logo, interestingly enough, but that's a coincidence.
But it is interesting when we get into X.
And I like these programs because when we can explore something on three levels, we get a much better picture of what's happening.
So if we can go on this kind of symbolic journey, if we can go on a nuts and bolts journey, and if we go on a political journey, then I think we're operating with full focus.
So the Pine Gap logo, let's see if I can get this one clear because it's kind of a small shot.
It's basically a big X around the world.
And its function, from everything that I've been able to deduce, is to re engineer that UFO technology and make it practical on a military basis and make the people behind the re engineering of that UFO technology kind of invincible and beyond the common rules of.
Governments and constitutions.
It's sort of like this we're revolutionizing everything and we're going to rule it from space as soon as we can get this stuff up and running.
Now, that's the ultimate goal.
There's a lot of intermediaries where people just think, well, we're working our way up the ladder of advancing technology and keeping it hidden from the Soviets and our other enemies, the Chinese and all the rest of it.
So, really, we can also see when we're looking at Nixon's initiatives reaching out to China, reaching out to Russia, he is pulling everyone.
Together around that.
And I do believe there's a battle that takes place between Nixon developing this energy technology and the deep state CIA aspects that originally were with him, but realize, oh, you know what, this guy is not the hardcore guy we thought he was.
And they decide to pull into a different direction.
That's where the schism comes out.
And that's where they know a guy like Nixon can hang himself because the only thing he was doing really was like things that LBJ was doing, which is when you don't like somebody, you break into their office and you get damaging records on them.
And on these different levels, these past presidents had done it, but they knew that they could hang Nixon with it.
This is something essential.
But remember the X on the Pine Gap logo.
And Olivia, I'm going to have you read this because I know you do it just right.
Joint Defense Facility, Pine Gap, Unitas est Fortitas.
That's it.
Unitas est Fortitas.
All right, so now we've seen Nixon and his relationship to Pine Gap.
We've seen that the United States actually got rid of two Australian prime ministers because they weren't in sync with, they wanted to get rid of Pine Gap.
Pine Gap becomes very, very important.
And Pine Gap is where the X, all that reverse technology and all the space planes and all the things that they were going to do, it becomes the focal point.
In my opinion, far more so than Area 51.
And I'll tell you why.
We're going to have to go into a little history here.
We're going to have to go into Shakespearean history and we're going to have to go right to Shakespeare, believe it or not.
All right, the first thing I want you to look at is X3.
That is a satellite launched from Australia, by the way, which we lost contact with almost immediately, but once in a while still sends us signals and it will for another 100 years, very much like Eisenhower's time capsule from 1953, which was called Project X. X3 was launched in Australia in 1971.
Now, Australia, we have to remember this.
Australia is the third country to launch satellites, the United States, Russia.
Australia being number three, it's pretty advanced.
We were really plugging them in at the time and giving them this technology.
They're really an arm of the US government.
We have to view Australia that way.
Not very independent.
And when they showed independence, we can see what happened to the leadership.
So, we really needed that strategic position.
Now, I do understand that a Cold War was on, so there are good, solid reasons for some of this that go to the heart of foreign policy, but there's a much deeper reason.
That's the one that they tell the kind of mid level managers and military people and political officials about, but the real hardcore reason goes a lot deeper.
And it's oriented right around this very small group handling this X technology, the UFO file, all the way through.
So they call it Prospero.
The Prospero satellite X3 was launched out there.
It had an immediate problem.
They lost contact with it.
Very unusual situation.
But Prospero being launched out of Australia and the Prospero base started to get me to think.
I knew there was a base called Prospero in Australia.
It turns out that Prospero is the base that gives all the support, military direct support to Pine Gap, because Pine Gap is not run direct by military, it's run by CIA and NSA people.
Now, that's on the record and it's a fact.
And when it came out, it was quite a shock, not only to the UK, but in the US, they were like, oh, we didn't know this was the case.
But a lot of the whistleblowers and stuff that came out of there, again, they try to give them an incredibly hard time.
So we're looking at a whole dynamic coming out of Australia, which is where somebody decided this is the core where we're going to place this information and we're going to make the development and the redevelopment of the UFO technology.
Dead center bullseye, that X, draw it right over Australia.
Now, Prospero, interestingly enough, being the name of the satellite that they launched, X3, Prospero.
But if we go into Prospero in Shakespeare, we find something very, very unusual.
A line from The Tempest, where Prospero is this fictional character and he has this daughter, Miranda, and they strand them on this island and everything around The Tempest.
It's a fascinating play.
He's a sorcerer.
That's something we also need to keep in mind here.
But see if this gives us some idea of where the name Pine Gap comes from.
Quote, Prospero states It was mine art when I arrived and heard thee that made thee gape, the pine, and let thee out.
We've got gape and pine right there in the tempest in Prospero, which is the name of the military base that services Pine Gap.
Gap and they launched the Prospero satellite.
So now we're starting to think, huh, they're doing a naming system here on the military bases.
They're doing a naming system.
We already are following this X, and now we've got this Shakespeare wing.
What is going on?
What are they doing with this?
There's a number of things around Prospero that are really going to open our eyes around this.
But that quote.
There's no question that Pine Gap, the name of Pine Gap, comes from that quote.
Now we're going to go a little bit deeper.
And I didn't promise you I was going to read poetry tonight, but you're going to get just a little bit more Shakespeare, more Prospero.
And it has all the classic lines, you'll notice as we go along here.
The Tempest is believed to be Shakespeare's last play, by the way.
Okay, one person's speech.
This is Prospero's.
Last speech.
Our revels now are ended.
These, our actors, as I foretold you, were all spirits and are melted into air, into thin air.
And like the baseless fabric of this vision, the cloud capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, the solemn temples, the great globe itself.
Think of that logo with the X. Let's take a quick look here.
Just remember that X as we go along.
The solemn temple is the great globe itself, yea, all which it inherit shall dissolve.
And like this insubstantial pageant, faded, leave not a rack behind.
We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep.
Okay, the stuff that dreams are made of, or made on, as it were.
We all know that the name inside of Area 51 was Dreamland.
Now, Prospero is giving us this backbone of where Pine Gap came from.
And again, we have this dream aspect and spirits melted into thin air.
Well, there are things that happen during the play.
And one of them is Prospero, with his magic powers, tries to free Ariel, who's a spirit of the air.
And in this process, he decides to control Ariel.
So Ariel's not so free after all.
And Prospero's using all of his kind of dynamite magic.
And so this is the very end of this.
And I think it is significant.
So I'm going to read the final soliloquy.
Here we go.
Again, Prospero.
Now my charms are all overthrown, and what strength I have mine own, which is most faint, now tis true.
I must be here confined by you, or sent to Naples, let me not.
Since I have my dukedom got, and pardon the deceiver dwell in this bare island by your spell.
But release me from my bands with the help of your good hands.
Gentle breath to yours, my sails must fill, or else my project fails.
Which was to please, now I want spirits to enforce, art to enchant, and my ending is despair, unless I be relieved by prayer.
Unless I be relieved by prayer, which pierces so that it assaults mercy itself and frees all faults, as you from crimes would pardon be, let your indulgence set me free.
The tie in of this whole tempest imagery with Pine Gap and The Prospero satellite, the Prospero military base, is that they are using something handed down very, very old when they're developing Pine Gap.
And it is this imagery of a sorcerer opening up the spirit of the air and controlling it and having ups and downs and basically being broken at the end and then saying, well, this is the stuff that dreams are made on.
There's so many rich details in here that are giving us a picture, forming a picture of.
What they think that they're doing with the UFO technology and what they think that they're doing with the UFO file, which is they are unleashing this spirit of the air.
And all the illusions around it are it's a code, it's such an easy way to put it, but it's so much deeper than a code.
It's a way of them thinking, a way of them tracking a mindset that gives us some idea of what they are involved in.
Prospero, you know, as we know, is definitely one of the more dramatic Shakespeare plays.
But the thing that he needs to do, his goal in here is when he frees the spirit Ariel, he has to free it from entrapment within a cloven pine.
And anyone who is looking at this will tell you that means at the time it's a gap.
And, you know, so when he's saying, when I arrived and heard thee, that made thee gape, the pine, and let thee out.
So there's our Pine Gap imagery coming straight out of Prospero Tempest in the Shakespeare aspect.
And some of the illusions inside of this are uneasy, shall we say.
That is, he understands that he's dealing with something, a spirit of the air, which, you know, is very possibly going to lead him to despair, but he's compelled to basically use it.
To his advantage, we have to remember in the beginning he's a victim who's kind of shipwrecked anyway.
And so we're looking at all sorts of levels of symbolism when we're getting into this.
And now, when we start to arrive at the fact that Pine Gap is the kind of hardcore center X of where the UFO file went, and we're starting to see that they're using this Shakespearean imagery of spirits of the air, we have to understand the messaging that's going on because it's so easy.
Continuity Government and Symbolism00:10:33
I think for us, just to say, well, there are cover ups and there are different aspects that are, you know, crimes that these groups commit by hiding the truth.
But what is it that, if we can see through them and see through the things that they're doing to what they're dealing with, we're going to get a better idea and learn and understand how we're going to be able to come forward.
So when we look at a group like The people who are running Pine Gap, we're looking at the same group who are big players on the continuity of government movement.
Continuity of government players are the same people, just like at Pine Gap, they're setting up holes in mountains, they're setting up entire underground structures.
What is it all about?
Is it simply to survive a nuclear war?
Is something much different going on?
And are they creating an entire underground environment in which to live because they know something that we don't?
It's a reasonable question.
The continuity of government players go back to the 50s, of course, and they have rich connections to all of the secret space players and all of these different people involved with it.
The fundamental reason was in the 1950s that they were saying, hey, we need to protect ourselves in the event of a nuclear exchange, and we're going to build these underground cities, and we're going to create an entire government structure that doesn't need to, it's not something you can target.
But in fact, by building that government and waiting, that covert government, at a certain point, as we'll see as we get along here, it kind of flops over.
It takes over what's the public.
Overt government, and then you have this thing running that you can't get your finger on.
You're saying, We're going on in all these events from the JFK assassination through Watergate through Rand Contra.
It's a force we can't get our hands on.
And the historical aspects around it, when you listen to people, even like Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, talk about Watergate, they understand only one sliver aspect of it, which is the most obvious.
And it's such a deep picture that we have to go to people and the work.
Like Peter Dale Scott, for example, who coined the term the deep state, it gives us the ability to see things as they really are because the way that things are played out, we just say it as like, oh, it's this power play, this group against that one, it's this rich group against these other people.
Oh, gee, politicians and rich people are so bad, you know, and that's it.
That's where they want our thinking to stop.
But what's happening is there's a very small group that is controlling a very large technological advance.
And it represents advances in science.
It represents advances in technology.
So we're really kind of moving into something where we're getting a good snapshot of who they are.
And the X steganography that's been used, and I've traced it through Walter Dornberger's work with Werner von Braun, coming into the 50s, coming into really even the Planet X research.
You can go further back with it, and we will when Walter Bosley is here.
One thing I want us to keep in mind is that X through history is one of the keys.
It's one of the tools that's going to help us to understand who the small group is that's organizing these things and what they're after.
What is it they're moving toward?
You know, when we hear so many things about transhumanism, when we're working on, you know, issues that relate to digital currency, when we're looking at the kind of centralization of force, what is it all about, really?
Where are they moving toward?
And now space is a big aspect of that.
Now, those same people that created all of these untouchable rules that we can't get at regarding the continuity of government because it's such national security, we couldn't understand oh, you're building underground bases with black budget money.
That's where that 21 trillion went missing from the budget.
You know, we're starting to figure these things out, but now they're taking those rules of continuity of government and moving them into space.
So, what we've popularized is the secret space program, which Blue Gemini is a fundamental aspect of.
And also, by the way, McNamara citing a secret space program by saying there are two space programs, national space programs, right now.
And that's the document that only came out in 2015.
That's the first reference in an official document to the secret space program.
What is the plan there?
So when we have these kind of phony movements like the New York Times disclosure movement, where they're trying to say, well, UFOs are a threat and we're moving into kind of dangerous territory with some of this stuff, the.
The thing we need to watch is what's the response on the other side?
And we see Trump talking about Space Force and Trump talking about, you know, he reopened the Space Council and we're going to have a much bigger role in space.
We're going to Mars.
And, you know, do you ever ask yourself, why don't we have stations on the moon?
Right?
It's becoming almost ridiculous.
It's not budgetary.
As a matter of fact, they spent enough money at the time to do it.
So, what is the real reason behind the lack of activity on the public side?
For the space program being semi defunct and NASA operating at pre 1965 levels, there has to be a reason.
The reason is because on the public side, it was easy to dismiss.
Privately, it would have been top priority.
And that's the way that they operated it on the covert level.
And then they spill it out through private industry.
Now, there's a couple of guys, of course, as we go through the private side who become obvious candidates.
And I'm going to see if I can find the first one, Elon Musk.
And, you know, a lot of people send me things about Elon Musk.
And I really do appreciate all the things that people send because it definitely helps make my own work more complete with the things that you send in.
And so many of you are so well informed that, you know, it gives me great enthusiasm to work with you because this is kind of like, as opposed to just me giving you reporting, you're really providing a kind of interactive situation where I'm learning a great deal.
From you as well.
So I appreciate that.
Before I go into the next segment, Olivia, how are we doing over there?
Great.
Okay.
How's everybody on the moderating boards?
I should look at these comments.
It's a little iffy tonight.
The iffy.
Oh, this is fascinating.
Oh, there's.
Well, I have a general rule around trolls, which is really good that if there are any trolls from three letter agencies using four letter words, we have a five star spam general.
Don't forget it.
How are we doing on questions?
Has anyone asked anything that you want to ask?
Let's get into a couple before Walter gets here, and then we'll make his segment just about the NIMSA research.
But let's do this.
I'm going to ask the big question first.
Jacob Dickinson, who is really the man behind the curtain?
That's fascinating.
Catherine Austin Fitz calls him Mr. Global.
And there's no question that he represents a group.
And they obviously are in possession of this advanced technology, but they've been in possession of a kind of a handed down role, let's say.
And I think it goes through all these mystery schools.
But I think that that is the ultimate question.
I'm not sure that we can answer it in one shot like that.
I think that we have to piece the research together and understand where it goes.
For example, Pine Gap has come up before, and I didn't get into so much of the Snowden aspects around Pine Gap, where he really exposed that, in their opinion, it was basically listening to everyone in the world.
So, this is a listening station with those weird kind of golf ball domes.
And you say to yourself, what is going on here?
And why is it like this incredible UFO zone?
They're obviously redeveloping the technology.
And they've got UFO theme parks and stuff around there because, hey, people see that stuff.
They just have to live with it all this time.
So, I guess the best answer is the people who I think can get as closest to that answer that you're looking for.
The research, I think, that's been done by people like Catherine Austin Fitz, like Joseph Farrell, like Peter Dale Scott, that gets us closer to that answer.
And as long as we are steady and patient, we can get there for sure.
That's what I'm doing, and that's what you're doing, Stu.
I see Rika, the hopeful volunteerist, is out there.
Hi, Rika.
It's nice to have you.
Actually, she asked a great question What about Pine Gap pineal gland link?
That's fascinating.
I'm not familiar with the Pine Gap pineal gland link.
You're welcome to enlighten us all.
That's an interesting one.
But I have, there are a number of very unusual things regarding Pine Gap.
You know, that people seeing these, this is funny, right?
Blue beam.
I kid you not.
They see these blue beams.
But then in some of the reports, I was reading one here from Whitley Strieber because he had a very good comprehensive article on Pine Gap.
And It was that people, when they would see these ships and they would see these beams, they would actually feel different themselves, like their actual emotional structure would change.
So, you know, talking about them making advancing changes in the pineal gland doing these things, you know, I'm very open to hearing more about that because I think it's fascinating.
Okay, what else you got?
Okay.
Josh Randall, would you regard withholding via assassination and the like the alien presence from the public to be the greatest abuse in human history?
It's a severe abuse of power.
Distractions and Psychic Programs00:07:37
Because one, Barry Goldwater of all people said it.
He said that the way that they've run UFO secrecy, they should be run out of town.
And he actually is a very interesting character.
Of course, Goldwater ran for the presidency in 1964 versus LBJ.
And he was the senator from Arizona, very outspoken, much better senator than John McCain.
I don't feel it's too bad people in Arizona have to deal with McCain, who's the ultimate warmonger.
And all he wants to do is go to war with Russia, Syria, anything, get his hands to bomb on.
He's a moderate Republican.
It's kind of fascinating.
But Goldwater was always thought of as an extremist because in his speech during the 1964 Republican convention, he said, Extremism and the defense of liberty is no vice.
But he had a conversation that he put on the record, which was with Curtis LeMay, who was one of the joint chiefs, an absolute hardcore guy.
He's the guy who was in charge of firebombing Japan.
And he tried to second guess Kennedy into World War III more than once.
But He said, What if you have in those rooms there locked away, you know, at Wright Patterson?
And he said that LeMay exploded at him and they had a very cordial relationship.
And he said, Don't ever ask me that again.
So they are, they're holding that secret, they're holding on to it for dear life.
And I think that, you know, when they looked at it, they could have said, We have certain aspects around national security.
We need to hide this from the people and so on.
Now we're in a totally different phase where the culture can certainly handle it and the kind of advances.
Now it's just treason on their side.
Because what they're doing is they're keeping advanced technology, advanced science away from the rest of us.
And it's to their financial benefit.
And what they'll do is they'll dribble little things out and play little games like to the Stars Academy.
And they try to milk the interest or the deep people by saying, hey, you're getting some little morsel over here.
Never mind, don't look for the big pie anymore.
Here's a crumb.
Yeah, I do.
I'm right up there with you.
I consider it a large scale crime now.
Okay.
Ivasevic J. Does DJ think Pine Gap is the same base that CIA remote viewers like Lynn Buchanan identified in Australia?
Yes.
One of the reasons I think that they try to discourage the remote viewing program is they know remote viewers can see their activities, and it does get very sensitive.
They have used them for doing everything.
I have an incredible two part series with Russell Targ that I suggest people listen to.
He had worked for the CIA on these projects and created the remote viewing program with people like Ingo Swan, and they used them for incredible daredevil.
Things like rescuing American diplomats that were kidnapped and all the rest.
So, their psychic program was very advanced.
Their knowledge of these things was very advanced.
When we go into it, when we look at it, and in some of my research around Nixon, I found out that he had these meetings with Gene Dixon and that Gene Dixon had visited the White House or called 80 times.
And then I produced the Newsweek article that said, Hey, you know, they found this out.
A 9 11 commission person was going through this stuff, and they found out that in these national security documents, it just so happens that Gene Dixon was like a major advisor to President Nixon.
What does that tell you about?
Here's the thing about Dixon, and I want to emphasize Dixon for a lot of people who just don't know who she is or blew her off as some kind of astrologer from the 70s.
What did you say?
Someone's rude to you.
I caught that.
Yeah, well, yes, no, listen.
I'm gonna tell you anyone who is messes with Olivia, you're gonna go through me.
All right, so Olivia, let me just put it this way we have certain rules about the chat, and when you break them and I put you in a timeout, if you come back and then are resentful about it, I mean, what am I supposed to do?
Oh, yeah, no, no, I mean, this is a place for us to learn, and if there are people out there who can't handle it, you know, watch the video later because that's not the kind of stuff that's tolerated here.
Just be cool.
Do the right stuff, but don't ever give Olivia a hard time.
She's doing the best stuff.
So, you know, we've got a lot to cover here.
It's true, actually.
It's a good thing because we need to focus down to going into the X stuff, going into the deep state aspect around the control around this.
They will do things, you know, they will send in distractions.
I always get distractions.
That's the way that they operate.
There are so many trolls, you can't pay attention to them.
The important thing is what we're representing, what we're doing is.
Not in a sensationalistic way and not in a way that raises our blood pressure and freaks out.
We are very calmly and logically looking with some of the best minds at the fundamental issues that confront us in 2018.
And here we are.
So I wouldn't rather do it with a better group of people.
And, you know, but I have to remind you that I will always speak up because no one's going to give Olivia a hard time.
It's never going to happen.
You're going to have to deal with me.
Okay, what else you got?
Okay, alien protocols.
Is the UFO aspect of Blue Gemini conclusive?
For me, absolutely, because I was looking very hard for where they moved it between Dornberger taking control of the program of the X space planes in the 50s.
And I said, what was their next step?
And I kept running into the fact that the military was trying to run a program that was outside of Eisenhower's grasp.
This is very significant because Eisenhower, being a military man, he knows, he understands the deal.
And he understands all about the secrecy and he understands the CIA taking over the UFO file and all the rest of it.
And he knows that it has to come back under the umbrella of the presidency.
And he sets Kennedy up for that, actually.
But when a program goes outside of that, which they were trying to do with MISS, which is the early version of Blue Gemini, then he said, you know what?
We're going to make it all civilian.
How do you like that?
And it was complete.
They were like, oh, we'll fall behind.
The Soviets will know everything we do.
It's civilian.
It's ridiculous.
But Eisenhower doubled down.
Blue Gemini is very unusual.
First of all, funded hundreds of millions of dollars back then.
Second of all, shut down personally by JFK through McNamara.
Third, large scale involvement by Werner von Braun.
Blue Gemini, as we study it, as we go deeper with it, the only records that have come out about Blue Gemini have only surfaced in the last three years.
So, people didn't even really know what it was.
You know, it's kind of like when people talk about the Nazi Bell and everyone just assumes it was always there.
Well, actually, until German reunification and some weird documents spilling out through the legal system, we didn't learn about this trial that took place about these ex Nazis and how they had tortured these scientists who were involved with the Bell Project before the Allies caught up with them.
JFK, Von Braun, and Blue Gemini00:15:50
You know, these things come in.
I call them stealth archives.
They're things that are sitting out there and that are crucial for us to get our hands on because.
In the final analysis, the mainstream people don't care about this, but even if they did, they don't have the ability to go outside the circle.
I remember working in those types of environments.
There's a choke point when the information rises up to a certain level.
You're not allowed to go there.
When your managing editor says no, you're out.
And this is it.
And that's the kind of frustrating situation I could never put up with in looking into going deeper with my own kind of journalism.
When we look at these things, we have to understand something.
We're going way outside the bounds of the mainstream and going outside of the bounds of the marketing aspects of the alternative.
When people try to sell you this or sell you that, there's a marketing crash coming, galactic ambassadors, whatever it happens to be.
When we do this work, we're walking down a very thin line, which is on one side, there are Intel psyops trying to confuse the space of people asking questions about something like, for example, remote viewing.
Or, for example, the UFO file.
On the other side, there is the marketing aspect pushing its way in and trying to sell you something.
And between the two, that's a squeeze.
It's a big time squeeze.
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These are the sites that are giving you the real stuff.
Giza Death Star, I mean, Joseph Farrell's work.
How advanced is Joseph Farrell's work?
How much stuff have we learned?
How many different types of shows have spun off from the work that Joseph Farrell has done where he hasn't even gotten credit?
I mean, it's absurd, right?
And even shows on the History Channel and all the rest of it, most of the research that's going on in the alternative community that has strong validities is coming on these alternative research side, is coming mainly from Catherine Fitz, Joseph Farrell, Professor Peter Del Scott from Berkeley.
So let's remember to get behind these things because it's fascinating.
Alexandra Bruce from Forbidden Knowledge TV, who's going to come back with us soon, these are the people that are doing the great work.
And if we want, Something like a very reliable alternative, a vibrant movement around alternative research.
We have it.
We have the people in place that can do it.
So, you know, getting together like we are tonight is incredibly valuable.
Okay.
Okay.
Robert Gurl, why wouldn't Nixon give the formula and the time capsule to Gerald Ford?
Oh, it's an excellent question.
Nixon never trusted Ford.
He's on record saying that he felt Ford had the intellect of a mouse.
This is what he thought of Ford, but he understood that he had to take Ford.
Remember, Ford is the only unelected president of the United States that ever held office.
He was not elected for vice president.
He was selected and he was elected.
He went for election in 76 and didn't win.
So he was never elected for anything.
Who was his vice president?
Nelson Rockefeller.
Well, what were the Rockefellers in charge of?
The Rockefellers had created the Special Studies Project.
Special Studies Project had all these recommendations for society to go forward and were headed by Kissinger.
Kissinger.
It turns out we found through the Aztec book and the work of Bill Steinman that Dr. Eric Wang, his widow, said, Well, Kissinger was his boss in the UFO redevelopment stuff.
That's this huge breakthrough that's been sitting there in this book from 1990 about the Aztec UFO crash.
Thank God there was still a copy out there I could get my hands on, which is fascinating.
And of course, Bill Steinman did incredible work and then got out like a good scholar would.
And Grant Cameron was the one who picked up on the fact that, hey, you know, you're looking at this time capsule thing, look at this.
So, this is, you know, these are the good people that we have out there.
No, if anything, Nixon left the information with Kissinger for the time capsule and he said, bring it out when you think it's right.
And obviously, maybe not realizing that Kissinger was just going to be so in with that crowd that they would never challenge the paradigm of oil supremacy.
And they still have it.
Okay.
Will Donald Trump be the disclosure president?
Well, now, isn't that interesting?
I think when you see the things and the really hardcore pieces of information we presented around Trump, Trump knows the space aspect is important.
Here's Trump with Nixon.
We've got the letter, Trump keeps the letter on his desk.
He certainly, if there's a candidate for disclosure precedent, he's the ultimate outside the box guy, and I think that he can do it.
I am worried about, or concerned, I should say, about some of the moves that we're seeing in relation to, well, let's say John Bolton, for example, becoming the national security advisor.
Bolton is well known for wanting to go to war.
And, you know, I would say in general, he kind of presents a disturbing picture.
I don't think he's somebody that we should look to for leadership.
And Bolton replacing McMaster, who was already kind of hawkish, might be a signal that the Trump administration is going to go in the wrong direction.
So, I certainly hope not.
But there's no question that Trump right now has a fantastic opportunity from breaking through the CIA.
Look, when you see the CIA trying to take down a president, like John Brennan comes out and says, You're a vile demagogue.
We will take you down.
He's the former director of the CIA.
He's the drone king.
He's the guy who used to drone these parties of 160 people trying to get one guy.
There are wedding parties.
So, you're going to your wedding in Afghanistan, this guy drops a drone on you.
That was his bread and butter.
And what did he say?
Well, it's the cost of doing business.
Well, that's the way he thinks about it.
This guy is going to lecture Trump?
I don't think so.
Now, Brennan, by the way, turned around when the UFO question came up because all of his buddies had taken over Tom DeLong's operation.
And they said, What do you think of the UFO thing?
And he said, Oh, I think they're going to do great work.
So you're getting a thumbs up, Elizondo, from your old boss, John Brennan?
You know, we have to be very careful.
When you get into it, regardless of what party you fall into or all the rest of it, do not let the Central Intelligence Agency remove a duly elected president.
The results would be disastrous.
The last time we saw them pull that off, they've pulled it off through history, for sure.
But certainly, you know, the JFK assassination, there's a large CIA role in there, like it or not.
And you do not want those people running the UFO program.
If you get good researchers who, for years, have done the right thing and have been spot on, and then all of a sudden they're chumming up to CIA people like Elizondo or John Brennan, the Drone King.
No, I'm not going to let the drone king run the UFO file, you know, not on my watch.
So, yeah, I hope that answers the question.
Okay.
Hugh Hoyland, DJ, why do you think Nixon wanted a third term?
Disclosure?
Yeah, you know, it's fascinating.
Somebody really, that's a great question.
The third term thing is fascinating.
Right after Truman, because, you know, FDR had sat in there so long, he had been.
Really, just running four terms.
And then Truman was his fourth term because he died early in his fourth term.
And then Truman won in 48.
So from 1933 to 1952, you had Democrats, and it was mostly Roosevelt and then his vice president.
So they decided in 52 we needed to kind of do term limits on the president.
And they decided we're going to keep him to two terms, which I think most of the time makes sense.
It's a tricky one.
It certainly is a tricky one, but I think it makes sense because of entrenched power.
I'm not sure what was the motivation behind it, except to say that they thought Roosevelt was kind of royalty.
By the way, there are a lot of connections there too with Kennedy because they thought the Kennedys were bringing in this dynasty that was going to be John, then Robert, then Ted, and that was going to be 24 years of Kennedy rule, and that would be the end of it.
So they eliminated them and assassinated them both.
And what we got instead, the dynasty that we got was the Bush dynasty, which gave you two Iraq wars and the war in Afghanistan.
For opium.
So, you know, that's not the lineage, that's not the dynasty that we bargained for.
But the third term thing is fascinating because with Nixon, I think that he felt, with the information that he had, that this bringing forward the information around the UFO file with the energy formula in an energy strapped United States, which we can't really imagine now because things have been good for so long, we can't imagine gas lines and all the rest of it.
We can imagine financial crashes because we had one 10 years ago.
So, I do feel like we're kind of looking at a situation where he said the bicentennial will be my way in and we can throw out the rule that says I can't run for a third term.
And I think his plan, like the article said from 1975, was to come in and play it straight.
So, this is pretty fascinating.
Go ahead.
I hope that answered the question.
Bruce Ross Morgan, extraterrestrial to human telepathy communication was considered a security risk.
Inside the CIA.
How does this factor in?
Oh, there's no question about it.
They had to figure out safeguards around how to do that.
And they learned a lot by spying on the Russians who made all these discoveries behind the Iron Curtain.
They were far more advanced than we are.
I've also read things, for example, Rudolf Steiner, who founded Anthroposophy, said that Russian people were naturally.
Oh, I see the Walter Bosley channel.
No, Walter, if you're listening, you just use the link, you come in and you join with the link.
So I don't see you here because you have to come in and join with the link.
Okay, hopefully he understood it.
Why don't you write that to him as well?
Say, Walter, go ahead and join.
But this is a very kind of important thing to keep in mind, which is.
The thing that Steiner was saying is that Russians naturally are more etheric, more inclined towards psychic activity.
So they're so much more open to doing this kind of exploration, whether it's the exploration around UFOs.
Can you imagine the secret space program and UFO program around that?
Go ahead, tell me.
Walter says he tried that.
So somehow the link isn't working.
Walter, if you're in Chrome, Then all you have to do is click on the link and you sign in and you're there.
Yes, yes.
But yeah, we're only on the one link, so there's nothing else I can do there without dethroning the whole chat.
This is fascinating, though, when we think about it, because we're coming into a situation where we may be looking at the fact that Russia is ahead on these things because they've been an open society in relation to it.
So, I am feeling like you have to look at the different strengths of different cultures.
And if theirs is that they're more psychically minded and they're more open minded on that, then they have an advantage over us, which is something our culture needs to catch up on dramatically.
Okay, so I see that Walter did say, keep an eye on Walter's chats there for me.
Thank you, Olivia.
Because I do see him over there, and he will pop in here if he uses the link and signs in.
He said something like he's in solitary confinement.
Is that?
I think that was a joke somebody made.
We're trying to, well, just to update everybody, we're trying to get Walter Bosley linked in here.
He's got the link.
By the way, you started saying something about Jean Dixon and never finished it.
Ah, yes.
This is what's interesting about Jean Dixon the Dixon Nixon connection, right?
Okay, we did go into the fact that she visited the White House or called 80 times.
She was in the Newsweek article where they found out that Nixon was getting incredible.
Foreign policy advice from Jean Dixon, and that she had gone through these different presidents over time.
FDR, she had given advice to LBJ. Kennedy, she tried to warn, actually.
So there is this kind of situation there when we look at Dixon.
But Dixon, I found out, and really hold on to your tie on this one.
Dixon was friends, very close friends, with Philip Corso.
Philip Corso, who wrote The Day After Roswell.
Who let us understand that the X 15 that Walter Dornberger had developed was there to chase UFOs and do recon on them?
And the one who came forward and said, Yes, I was in charge of that program of redevelopment.
So, you know, we did it for 40 years.
We got all these different things like the microchip out of it.
That Philip Corso.
So now Dixon Corso, who had done all the foreign technology office work moving the UFO file around, Gene Dixon, who, by the way, predicted large scale.
Interaction with these beings promoted the idea that the ET presence was benevolent.
Dixon, Nixon, and Corso.
Let's put that together in our mind for a moment and then go to the article that I showed you earlier about this incredible advance that was going to happen, which was they were basically going to, in 1975, announce we have this energy formula.
And, you know, I guess you can say it's an even bet.
Were they going to disclose the UFO aspect?
Well, they were pushing a UFO documentary.
It sure as heck looks like it.
So, it is a fascinating field of vision.
When we look at it like this, we get a much clearer vision of what's going on there.
And, you know, the regular kind of locking us into the traditional battles around Republicans and Democrats and who's hip and who's not, and, you know, the kind of transhumanist thing about argue over gender bathrooms or whatever, you know, it's very important for us to take the initiative back and to come into real serious research like what we're doing.
Technical Difficulties During Broadcast00:05:53
And finding out where these things go.
You know, why is Pine Gap being named after a Shakespeare play?
What is the linkage from these mystery schools through this ex steganography into the UFO file, into the incredible secrecy that makes us see it today?
Walter Bosley, I see you.
There you are, sir.
Unbelievable.
He made it.
I can't hear you, though.
You can't.
Let me see.
Not yet, sir.
I wonder why.
We sometimes have these moments, but we are happy to see Walter there.
You could just mime your whole performance.
That's all.
I wonder what's going on with that.
You know, try unplugging the mic, see if we can hear you, and then try plugging it back in.
They can hear him on the chat.
Is your volume down or something that you can't hear?
You're kidding.
They can hear him?
Yeah.
Oh, this is very unique.
Huh.
Well, everybody can hear him.
Loud and clear.
This is interesting.
Well, why don't you give us a little update on that while I'm doing this, Olivia?
Do you want a question?
Yeah, just read them out.
Oh, now it says they can't hear him and that he's gone now.
Walter.
Killed it when he unplugged.
How about that?
Yes, it is.
Lost him when he unplugged.
Unbelievable.
Well, this is definitely some interference here.
You had him unplugged.
Since then, we don't hear him.
Yep, gone.
So there you go.
Plug his mic back in.
No, no, that's not it.
Okay.
Okay.
Now they can hear him again.
Now you're fine.
Really?
Deep state is interfering.
Wow.
Well, I do not hear it.
It's a little bit difficult.
It is nice that they can hear him, but we can't hear him over here.
Let's see.
I've looked through your high and low, sir.
How about this?
Your volume's up.
Your hunky dory.
How about this?
Interesting.
That's wild.
Well, I'll tell you what I would recommend, Walter.
I'm going to recommend that you log out and log back in again, which is tricky, but I think we should give it a shot anyway.
And all my best prayers with you.
Okay.
I'm logging up.
I guess I just closed it.
I'll try one quick thing.
Hold on, Walter, before you go.
Hold on.
We're going to be technical wizards here.
I am going to try this.
Try it now.
Hello?
There you are.
Bingo.
This will be the fourth show in a row I've been on where there's been technical difficulties.
Wow.
And the last three, I talked a little bit more specifics about the Secret Space Program than I have in the past.
Well, it's great to have you here.
I am getting some gritty interference, which is interesting.
Oh, let me move the fan.
Oh, yes.
Fascinating.
Well, we are in business now.
We have Walter here, and that's always a plus.
Of course, everyone, while we're waiting here, remember you can go to darkjournalist.com to sign up for the newsletter so you understand when the shows are coming up.
And that's something I highly recommend because YouTube, as we can see, it doesn't always come through with the big time info and the updates and letting you know when shows are.
Walter, sir, it's great to see you.
Hey, is that better on the audio?
Interesting.
It's scratchy.
You know what I'm going to say?
Maybe ditch the headset.
You never got, yeah.
Oh, it might be because my microphone's an inline mic.
Ah, it's one of these.
I'm getting fuzz on you.
It's fascinating.
Olivia, you're hearing that, right?
Okay.
How are we doing now?
Now I can't hear you at all.
Oh, boy.
Fascinating.
This is so interesting.
Go ahead.
Gigi Awakens says, I noticed lately that, quote, Technical difficulties, unquote, have happened only on channels speaking the truth.
Well, listen, this is the nature of the ballgame.
So, Walter, if you, so your headphones, your headset's plugged back in now?
You're right.
Okay, we're having some problems here.
Yeah, what was happening, I'll just give you a quick update, Walter, which was even though I could hear you finally, it was coming through with like this.
This gritty static was with you, which is very odd.
And that doesn't usually come through when I'm listening to you.
No, I can't hear you at all now.
So now you're just gone.
I thought if you unplugged the.
Can you check your output in your system preferences on the computer and see?
Why don't you set it to not the headset, just the mic itself right off the thing?
We'll try that.
Better than nothing.
Olivia, how are you doing over there?
Good.
Let me know if you want to.
Yeah, why don't we?
Why don't we do that?
Okay, well, I know you're going to love this question.
Okay.
Static Interference and Research Updates00:03:08
Edgar Cayce apparently said that Russia would be the great hope of the future or something like that.
There's no question.
Actually, what he said was that Russia was going to be the hope of the world.
And he was not referring to the communism or the Bolshevism aspect.
And he was clear about that.
And he said it would take a generation.
He also said that China would someday be the cradle of Christianity.
When you're looking with that kind of vision, you have to wonder, though, the hope of the world sounds like something that would be, you know, let's say maybe somebody being the hope of the world, you know, a cure for a worldwide virus.
One of the most fascinating things that came up when we started doing the X research was that people were sending me something and saying, hey, you know, yesterday you did this X broadcast and today there's this stuff.
All about this thing called Disease X, that they finally discovered this thing all of a sudden, Disease X.
And I was thinking to myself immediately, wow, what you're going to need is an incredible antidote for that.
So when I go into that, Casey, Russia is the hope of the world, I think it is remarkable that there's something that's going to start in Russia.
Is it a spiritual movement?
Is it a movement that has to do with some kind of physical compound that they create, some kind of cure?
What is it?
So, but when we go into Casey, remember how advanced Casey's work was, talking in 1918 about really advanced stuff like Atlantis television, crystals that controlled incredible flying ships, ships that could go through mountains.
You know, sometimes they like to portray Casey and say, well, you know, Casey was this guy and he cared so much and he, you know, he gave the shirt off his back and, you know, all that's true.
But Casey's a very incredibly dynamic body of research that he completely.
Was so far advanced when you're dealing with the Atlantean crystal information, when he's talking about the different abilities that the Atlanteans had, you know, and these priestesses that could lift up out of their body and as a group effect events.
I mean, you know, he was really going deep on it, but so much of his research was based on this incredible ability that he had.
And, you know, so much so that you get people pretending that they were reincarnations of him and all that kind of stuff.
But Casey's work is so edgy.
When you get right down to it, that, you know, this idea that, like, he was just, you know, I mean, he was a Sunday school teacher and all this, but some of that information, you know, there's kind of a little bit of a cornball factor that comes up out of the way they present Casey.
Casey's stuff is, you know, it's really off the hook.
It's incredibly edgy material, even now, almost 100 years later.
Fascinating.
Casey Work and DNA Connections00:05:10
How are we doing with Walter?
Walter is.
Hey, there you are.
You're fine.
Oh, you can hear me now?
Walter, and you sound terrific.
Walter, it's good to see you.
Isn't that interesting?
Hey, what the heck?
Great.
Thanks so much for joining us.
And I'm glad we overcame the obstacle because I've been looking forward to having you on.
I apologize, but I have to be honest with you.
It seems like it's a new and different thing every time, which I find suspicious because I've been doing these for a few years and I haven't had these kinds of problems.
Well, you sound great now.
Great, cool.
And also, you're rocking the new headset.
I can see it.
Oh, you like that.
A flash of red.
Before we get started, I have some great questions lined up for you.
Okay.
But you recently.
Posted something about having your DNA done.
I was very curious about where you were going with that.
Yeah.
What happened?
Well, and I said this on my Facebook.
About 20 years ago, I was told by a family member that my dad's father was not the man I was named after.
It was supposed to be my grandfather, that it was another individual.
Well, you know, I had that info for 20 years and There's been interesting little details that made me wonder, and I decided, you know what?
Doing the DNA might answer those questions.
I had my DNA taken when I was in the military, but they don't give you the results.
That's all for their uses.
Basically, if you get vaporized and they need to identify you with a single drop of blood, that's why they primarily take your DNA.
But it is the military.
And, you know, who knows what they really do with that?
And remember, I was in the Intelligence community, the greater intelligence community.
And, you know, ironically, they make it their business to know a lot of your genealogical stuff to begin with.
So it wouldn't surprise me if they already knew this.
But as I said, they weren't sharing that with me, unless, of course, the relative who happened to have spent 44 years in the intelligence community himself and was the guy who recruited me into it, he's the one that told me this.
So that might be.
I know for a fact that some of the ways they communicate things to you is in an informal manner.
So that might have been them telling me this.
But anyway, I carried that for 20 years and I decided to do the DNA.
And sure enough, it turned up some stuff that's never been included in the family lore ever.
Wow.
And that's primarily the Spanish, Portugal.
It's either Spanish or Portuguese.
You know, it's this Iberian category.
Excuse me.
And, you know, there was some other stuff in there that I had never heard.
And some people, you know, they point out that there is that mix if you're of Celtic extraction, you know, which I'm, you know, 70% Scots Irish by the grace of God.
And.
Good morning to you.
Yeah.
So they, well, I lean.
I lean more towards the Scotsman side.
But I'll take Irish over Englishman any day.
But hey, I'm an American born in San Diego, so that's.
But, you know, in the ancient bloodlines there, when you're Irish, especially, you know, you're going to have that Spanish and Iberian stuff.
But this was an ancestor who was as recent as 1810.
Wow.
It points to.
When the numbers are all analyzed, it does indeed point to a grandparent who was not something or someone he was supposed to be.
And the other grandparents are well accounted for.
So it looks like the DNA backed up what I was told 20 years ago.
And there are some interesting aspects that I'm not talking about yet publicly.
I've discussed them with a trusted associate whom we both know.
But I'm still working on the analysis because it certainly serves to change your perspective on your past.
I admire actually some of the things that you do with that because you actually brought in your dad's work.
Too in Shimmering Light, right?
That's also a family story.
And that one is around the Roswell incident.
Do you want to give us a quick synopsis about what that book is?
Shimmering Light is my book in which I finally tackled the story I heard from my dad for, gosh, 40 years by the time he died.
Roswell Incident and MKUltra Origins00:05:12
And I had talked about it a little bit in the last decade or so publicly, but I decided that it was time that I really just.
Dove into it and see what I could find.
And I did my best to remain objective.
You know, people who read it will know that I concede that his whole story could have been what they call, you know, a planted narrative using MKUltra method of psychic driving.
My dad was in the right place at the right time, meaning specifically he was in the.
Aerospace Medicine Division of the U.S. Air Force in the 1950s.
And when you read any history, in depth history of MKUltra, and I didn't know this, I'm a former Air Force OSI agent, and I didn't know this.
Wow.
Out of all the military branches during the late 40s and through the 50s that were the most turned on by MKUltra, the U.S. Air Force was enthusiastically at the top of the list.
Now, when I was an agent, they told us we had.
Psychiatrist agents, you know, Air Force psychiatrists at our disposal.
And among the things they would use would be hypnotism.
If we needed to apply hypnotism in an investigation.
And, you know, now I wonder what else, you know, because in 1973, when the CIA had to come clean about MKUltra, they had to come clean about what they did.
The U.S. Air Force started developing its own MKUltra program in the late 50s.
They never had to sit before Congress and tell the public what they've done with MKUltra.
To this day, what the Air Force has done with it or did with it remains unspoken or classified.
So, bringing it back to my dad, the Air Force initial experimentation and the development of their own MKUltra program was during the years my dad was in.
And it was very specifically the Aerospace Medicine Division of the Air Force that did this.
So, as I say in the book, And you know, you can read the book, or people who have read the book, I lay it all out there how he could have been a subject of MKUltra methods to keep involvement with a very deeply classified project secure by burying it in the psyche and planting a false narrative,
which hypothetically would be the story he told me about this underground civilization and all this stuff.
I don't completely rule that out.
But within the context, the evidence is strong that he was exposed to MKUltra stuff.
And, you know, again, he's my dad.
The wild story is fun, but I have to be objective.
Well, especially with the kind of work that you do, but it is interesting when you get someone who's a very close relative telling you the story.
It takes on a whole different dimension.
And, you know, that included, you know, you mentioned Roswell, how it ties into Roswell.
The story, I first learned about it because he brought the Roswell incident up in 1974.
Now, that, of course, was six years before the book, that first book came out.
I had never heard of, you know, and he didn't refer to it as the Roswell incident.
He referred to it as something that happened in New Mexico in the late 40s.
And so, again, when you read the book, you see the context and the speculation, which I lay out on what it could have been that they were trying to cover and keep secure, which is just as potentially amazing.
Basically, I say it was the beginning of the secret space program back in the 1950s.
And I think that's what he was involved in.
Right.
And you've done some of the best work around the secret space program.
When people ask me, For the material to go through to study the secret space program, I'm in the habit of pointing them to your work, to Dr. Farrell's work, to Catherine Austin Fitz, and some of the shows that we've had on this program, because your work gets into a very important area of the secret space program, which is where it came from, which I really enjoy that aspect of it.
And it's really, there's a lot of breakthroughs in there.
Now, we've been studying this kind of steganography that's around X.
And I've attributed it based on my research as being this kind of traveling symbol of where the exotic technology was moving through different programs of the federal government and popping up.
You know, we went into Blue Gemini and some of these other programs.
But your work, you blasted open all of the Delshow, Nimza, early Sonora Aero Club, that stuff.
Flying Machines and Globalist Symbols00:15:14
All really, in my opinion, comes from you because that's where I discovered it.
Can you give us a quick idea, set us up for what Nimza was?
That's NYMZA.
NYMZA.
Yes.
And what it is and how Del Show became the key to who he was and what that was all about?
Well, I'll start out as I always do.
There were about a half a dozen guys who went there before I did.
Dennis Crenshaw, Busby, Michael Busby.
I think I got the first name right.
Busby's his last name.
Stephen Romano, Tim Schwartz.
These were guys.
And of course, P.G. Navarro, who was the guy who discovered the Del Show illustrations, the books of illustrations, in an antique junk shop.
And they were in the trash.
The guy was on a mount and they were getting ready to be on their way to the dump.
And this was in 1971, I think.
But what he discovered were these books.
And this gentleman, Charles A. A. Delshow, who was a German immigrant to the United States, came to the U.S. in the 1850s, died in 1923.
In between, I think, around 1890 to 1923, he made these incredible books, which were almost schematics.
Detailed drawings of these flying contraptions that he tells this story in his diaries about a group of German immigrants with a few Italians in there who came to California in the 1850s,
the decade before our Civil War, and were experimenting with what was essentially anti gravity technology along the lines of the stuff you hear with ancient Vimana technology, specifically mercury vortex engine type stuff.
And the bell.
Now it was.
Nazi bell.
Which comes.
Nazi bell technology.
Okay.
Which comes, yeah, like 70 years later, according to the lore of that.
And of course, it's these German guys doing this in the 1850s.
And I stumbled upon that.
The fact that.
Excuse me.
I stumbled upon the bell being in this by finding it in more than one illustration.
Now, Navarro had recreated some of the propulsion device illustrations for Clarity.
But at the time he did that, you know, Wachowski had not come out with his bell revelation.
And of course, it was years before Joseph Farrell also wrote about it.
So he didn't know it as such that what he was, he found too, was that this was the bell, its rotation and the insertion of the special liquid fuel.
Which only the leader of the group knew the formula for.
It was very secretive.
Well, as I'm going through the illustrations in this book, that, by the way, is published by the Romano Gallery.
Anyone interested in Del Shell, you've got to get this book, The Art of Del Shell, and it'll have all the color illustrations, what we're talking about this.
But in a couple of those, I found literally a bell shaped apparatus that was part of the propulsion system.
There it is.
And it's identical to.
What descriptions we have of this device that you know referred to as the Nazi bell.
So I realized, wait a minute, there's got to be a thread there between this German group in California in the 1850s and the Nazi scientists, and that thread is this group called the Nimza.
Well, you know, if Nimza, I think that you've really done some incredible uncovering of what they're about.
And at one point, I even heard you tie them into the Globalist, which I found fascinating.
I want to show this.
This is one of the Del Show plates.
And I, of course, picked it up because of the X.
But it is fascinating.
And the fact that we have it when we shouldn't have had it is a real wake up call because it just as easily could have gone into that dump, like you said, from the antique store, gone into the trash, whatever it happened to be.
I know that it was under threat of fire at one point because he had left it behind in Somatic.
So we have to be, I've been talking about these stealth archives that are out there at things we could get our hands on that kind of are in our midst and maybe the only hope for getting, you know, forget about government disclosure.
The only way you're going to get it is something that's already out there, this kind of stealth archive.
But I do want you to go into Nimsa.
My question is this formula that I see around the Delshaw stuff, which is this.
It looks like DM equals XO.
And then I was reading an analysis of it, which I think someone had got from your book, which was that the XO was taken from Latin.
Can you tell me a little bit about that?
Well, actually, it was very late one night in the mysterious town of Victorville, California, when Joseph Farrell and I, I think it was like one of our three o'clock in the morning discussions.
I lived just down the hill in the beautiful San Bernardino Valley.
Yeah.
He looked at it.
And thought, my gosh, it looks like a mathematical equation.
And so that's what is in the book it's an equation that has to do with either the propulsion system itself or possibly how the fuel works.
And what's interesting is Del Xiao, in his own work, pretty much says the DM equals XO thing actually means NIMSA.
And of course, I've gone into that, that it's in that regard, it's similar to Egyptian hieroglyphs, which have meanings on different levels.
So you have NIMSA, which is the German headquartered organization that Del Show describes exactly like that.
It's an acronym.
But then you have this NIMSA that is translated into this coded language that Del Show uses, and that's the equation we're talking about the DM equals XO thing.
Okay.
And then.
There's the Seshari contribution going back to Egyptian hieroglyphics and ancient, you know, Egyptian esoterica, in which Nimsa means the nameless ones.
So, in my analysis, it starts in the ancient times with this nameless ones, and they, through the ages, whoever their influence agents were by the 19th century, they influenced this Prussian organization to.
Call itself NIMSA by acronym, and the acronym fits what they were doing building flying machines for military, for exploration, military purposes.
And yet, the acronym has a double meaning because it also means the nameless ones in this ancient vernacular, which is kind of hiding in plain sight.
And it goes back to that whole thing about the black magic thing where you do the.
Oh, what's that?
The revelation of method, where you're kind of hiding in plain sight.
You know, the knowledgeable will understand, the profane won't get it, it'll go right over their head.
It all ties into that.
And the thread from the Prussian era of the 19th century, specifically, that was pushing for unification, this ties, hypothetically, in my speculation, this ties the German.
Prussian industrialists of the 19th century going into the 20th century to the Nimza, but these were also guys and players who were involved with globalism.
And that's it, it's really by the time you get into the late 19th century, early 20th century, that's when they really cranked up the globalist agenda, in my analysis.
Yeah, absolutely.
I see.
So that's the time for the globalist.
It's interesting because earlier tonight, I did this tying in of Prospero.
To Pine Gap, and actually, how the term Pine Gap comes from Prospero's soliloquy there in Shakespeare.
And this kind of lineage, the thing that's carrying on through mystery schools, through these groups, to what we get as an explosion in globalism and technology and the society that we got.
It definitely, there is that tie when you're dealing with it, you're actually dealing with something a lot older, whether you realize it or not.
Now, why don't we figure out.
First of all, about Del Shau, how did he come?
How did he wind up in America and die here so that his paintings were discovered here?
Well, according to his own diaries and his own narrative, he came to the United States from Germany to observe and report on the Sonora Aero Club, these guys that were building these flying machines.
And he was supposed to be reporting back to the Nimsa.
He gets to California and he really likes these guys.
He relates to them and he kind of takes their attitude when Nimza sends a representative who they describe, Del Show describes as, in quotes, that Prussian officer.
And this is the guy who said that Nimza, who was, according to Del Show, kind of their sponsor.
And Del Show said that Nimza was sponsoring other groups of guys experimenting with the same technology around the U.S.
It's just we happen to hear about the Sonora Aero Club because Dell Shell stuff was found.
But the guys in Sonora did not like the Prussian representative from Nimza.
They did not like Nimza's desires to militarize these flying machines.
And so they refused to do it.
And it wasn't long after that that the leader of the group supposedly died in a horrible explosion and a crash.
Oh, wow.
Well, we see the methods were.
Just as easily in use back then.
That is fascinating, though, because there's this guy that you alluded to, and I'm trying to think of which book it was, but he was around during the Civil War and he had sketches and had developed these kind of balloons that were advanced at the time.
Do you remember this?
Oh, Solomon Andrews.
And he actually demonstrated, and it was not described as a balloon, it was a three-hauled balloon.
Flying object, and he demonstrated this for members of Abraham Lincoln's War Department in Washington, D.C. There was a legitimate article that's out there that was written about it.
And I believe Michael Busby was the first author writing about this that found that article.
It was a good find on his part.
And we're told that the War Department, Stanton, I think was the Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton.
We were told that he told Andrews, nah, we're in the middle of a war.
This is of no use to us.
No, thank you, which does not make sense because you're in the middle of a war.
What the heck?
You know, why not use this to drop bombs?
Because they, you know, people have been doing that from balloons for a while by then, which goes into my theory that they actually did express interest and it was really America's first black project, the post Civil War development of Solomon Andrews technology.
So he could have been one of those others that Del Show was talking about, you know, developing this stuff outside the Sonora Aero Club.
Wow, that is incredible.
The presence of these groups may have been responsible for the airship mystery of the late 19th century.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Sure.
It is my hypothesis that, as I said before, Solomon Andrews' technology was not rejected.
But yes, they were, you know, we were in the middle of a war here then, and they were.
Needing to be focused on the conventional means because by no means was it won by the Union at the time he demonstrated this.
So I think what they did was they went ahead and procured Solomon Andrews' technology, his plan, his stuff, and they set it aside until they could get through the war.
And then once the war was over and we were well into reconstruction, the South and all that, it is my speculation that.
They started developing Andrews technology, you know, to develop airships.
And I lay out in one of my books that, you know, where they would have done this.
And that leads to, remember, this is 1865 when the war ended.
So by 1866, 67, they're starting to mess around with this.
So think about it.
You've got 30 years of development between the end of that war and when the 1890s airship mystery.
Happens where people are seeing all over, you know, cities and areas west of the Mississippi, these flying machines.
And they were much more sophisticated than what the Sonora Aero Club was doing in the 1850s.
And I argue that that's because they'd had 30 years of development.
Medieval Prussian Technology Waves00:15:32
So I do this chart in my books, which you've seen in Origin, in which I show how the progression worked through showing the history of the automobile.
Oh, yeah.
The Sonora Aero Club was the equivalent of the Ford Model T, basically.
Concept.
And then the difference between the Ford Model T and the 1958 Buick is the same as the difference between the Sonora Aero Club contraption of the 1850s and the 1896 airship mystery style airship.
Okay.
There's your progression.
Yeah, I think this was, I speculate that this would have been America's first black project.
There's even military officers.
Historical guys that were involved in the airship mystery, identified by name, whose careers, when you look at them, would have fit right in with this theory.
They would have been one of the guys among the guys selected to develop this technology.
And I think the 1890s airship mystery possibly led into this American based, American originated breakaway civilization, which I call the 1903.
The 1903, right, right.
And that's my term, the 1903.
Got it.
Well, you tie in for me early Nazi developments with the kind of Nimza airship clubs, this whole thing.
How do those two things relate?
Okay.
What you've got is this, and this, of course, is alleged in Dell Show's work and the research that the rest of us guys have done.
Okay.
You've got this organization, Nimza, which Dell Show says is headquartered in Germany, which at that time was.
Prussia, okay, because Germany wasn't unified at that time.
It was all the 48 Prussian states.
But you've got this Prussian pro unification group called the NIMSA, or called NIMSA.
And they theoretically are bringing together the top Prussian industrialists and engineers and science types.
These would be the guys behind wanting to develop.
This aero technology of the Sonora Aero Club, the anti gravity, whatever it was.
These are the guys through using chemistry, alchemy, and the early days of aerospace engineering.
These are the guys that would have been pushing that technology.
Now, at the same time, politically, they would have been involved in pushing for German unification.
And when you get into the history of the Prussian push for German unification, you get into.
Threads leading to the Teutonic Knights and possibly the recovery of lost technology.
And you get into the Prussian theory of governance, which is basically they took over their local territory and then they expand out and they want to unify all the Prussian states into a single Germany so they can take that over too.
And the goal always was then once they have this place called Germany to then take over Europe.
And then the world, it's that classic thing.
And it's all in their philosophy.
You can see it.
And you see the methods that they use going back to the medieval era, how they would play one friend nation against the other, one friendly culture against the other, and then dominate both of them by betraying the one that was their friend and all that Machiavellian stuff.
So that foundation is laid in the medieval era and those eras leading up to the 19th century.
And you begin to see the pattern.
The elements of that pattern present in the 19th century.
And what I did was I followed the thread of the industrialists who happened to be, you know, a lot of these guys were philosopher scientists, right?
They were into alchemy, they were into the esoteric and arcane arts.
And that thread followed all the way through the 19th century into the 20th.
And that thread led right to those early German organizations that were really behind.
The formation of the Nazi party.
So, what you've got is Nimza has their fingers in these esoteric groups.
And because they've got their fingers in the esoteric groups, they also have a stake in the political direction, right?
In the 19th century, it was to unify Germany.
Well, what I saw was in the 20th century, it was to spread out their tendrils outside of Germany to the rest of the world.
And that's exactly.
What they attempted to do in both world wars, especially World War II, that was part of their plan.
So, when you throw in then stumbling upon the fact that this Bell device is literally visually demonstrated in Del Show's schematics, remember, Del Show died in 1923.
He did these drawings with this Bell device clearly there in this flying machine of the 1850s.
He did that drawing sometime between 1890 and 1923.
It's not like he did it in the 50s, you know, or the 70s or even our times when now we know about the bell.
He did this before decades before, you know, or at least a decade before the Nazis started, or more before the Nazis started fooling with it.
So, you know, it lends some authenticity not only to the bell, but to Dell Schau.
They're kind of mutually supportive of each other.
What is it?
So when I saw that, And then you see all the stuff with the bell, you realize, wait a minute, these guys doing stuff for Nimza developed this thing called, you know, that looked like that was essentially the bell.
And then you have the Nazis doing the bell, and you have the Nimza doing all this machinations that I just laid out.
Clearly, the math says that the Nazi scientists got the bell from Nimza, is my theory.
Ah, okay.
So that really, see, because it's interesting.
My question tied in with that is, Do people like Dornberger and von Braun benefit from the Nimza underground society groups that are in Germany?
Oh, I absolutely think so.
And, you know, von Braun, he brings the whole Nimza thing, von Braun and all the Operation Paperclip Germans.
Really, that was Nimza, okay?
From the Nimza perspective, in my analysis here, this is my hypothesis.
From the NIMSA perspective, yeah, Germany and Hitler and them, of course, they were going to lose the war.
But NIMSA had their sights on something bigger.
So they used Nazi Germany to the extent that they could.
And it's my opinion, I'm finally convinced, this is not original with me, but I became convinced about six months ago that this theory is correct, that NIMSA used.
Used Operation Paperclip to basically take over the US.
And the product of that is our military industrial complex.
Wow.
As others have said before me, but I, you know, I finally, in my research, the stuff I did became convinced of that when I studied how the military industrial complex came to be, how Operation Paperclip came to be, and how it tied into that, how it preceded that, and how going back to the medieval era.
Of the Prussians and how they used the Teutonic Knights.
It's the exact thing, it's the exact system and method that was used in the medieval era by these Prussians.
During World War II, there was a guy named Homer Schacht who is credited with using the German industrial method as a means of invading a country.
You go to some other continent, you bring your industrial apparatus, you get that.
Other country using and dependent upon your industrial apparatus, and then you've got them.
That's in a nutshell, very simplistic theory.
Well, a lot of people think that started with Homer's shock, but it didn't.
The medieval Prussians were doing the same exact thing, I found out.
And I think this is exactly what they did to us with Operation Paperclip.
Wow.
It's interesting.
It's a process, it's kind of an inherited process.
They even used assassination.
And when you look at the JFK assassination and how the tendrils of military industrial complex might be in that, that ties the paperclip, that ties the Nazis.
I mean, it's really textbook.
Well, Dornberger, as we've discussed many times on this show, his protege was Michael Payne, and Payne and his wife, Ruth, were housing the Oswalds.
So that kind of direct ties, it's amazingly this glaring.
Thing that the regular scholarship around the JFK assassination just ignores.
It's absurd.
But I do think it's interesting as we get deeper into this.
When we're looking at advanced technology, you know, there are ideas about Atlantis having advanced technology, the Egyptians having it, hiding it over time.
There are these ideas that show up in alchemy in the Middle Ages.
Around the same type of thing of turning lead into gold, et cetera.
There's some technology wave that's riding here through history.
And then you get groups like what you're talking about with Nimza.
And we know that in the 20th century, the UFO file becomes a large scale process that's kept secret from the public.
Where does the advanced technology come from?
Does it come from advanced human beings traded down through history?
Does it come from alien advancement that comes here and people hold on to that and keep it secret and governments hold it to control groups?
Where is the advance in this technology?
What is that secret method, do you think?
I'm in that school of thought that says way, way back in what they call antediluvian, the pre flood era, way back in the early days of human history, somebody came here with.
You know, from a civilization with sufficiently advanced technology.
And this was the root or the source of the stories of the Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha.
You know, the stranger who comes across the sea and teaches the culture, or out of the sky, teaches this native earth culture about technology, you know, brings them up to a certain level.
And then through the ages, humans kind of take over what they've been taught.
And, you know, Civilizations of various advanced stages, comparable to ours, perhaps, or definitely, have come and gone.
And the remnants left behind have been, you know, found and searched for by certain groups in as discreet a manner as possible, because the idea is you want your own culture to have this so that you can be the most advanced guy on the block, so to speak.
And this led to our.
You know, some of our secret societies, or the gentleman who started, for instance, the Royal Society in England.
You know, they were all a bunch of masons, but the one thing they had in common, they were brought together to build an advanced navy for England.
But the thing these guys all had in common was at one point or another, at one stage, to one degree or another, they were all seeking what appeared to be the lost technology of a forgotten civilization.
And that's kind of the theme that runs through all the stuff I'm doing.
All my books actually tie together, really.
And that's one of the main threads that do it.
I meandered.
Bring me back to your questions.
No, no, it's good.
It's good.
You're talking about the origins of the technology.
And it is interesting because this aspect, it's kind of like we're talking almost about black magic.
There's this magic that exists that's kind of, there's rumors about it, and then it's carried through history.
And then In the 20th century, it shows up as the UFO thing.
That's the kind of modern version from the last century.
And then there are people who just roll around the logic of it.
Well, we've got a saucer, it was advanced.
The simple version is we got advanced technology from it, we've moved and we have that.
That's why they kept it secret because originally the idea was they didn't want to upset the public.
But now they're so greedy and they're just so advanced.
But there is, so that's kind of a fundamental thing, although it doesn't really give the.
There are elements missing to that story, too, which is, you know, wait a minute, there's this whole redevelopment thing now, but we also have in the Middle Ages, and even in the airship thing that you're talking about, there's this advanced technology thing going through these mystery schools and through these brotherhoods.
Exactly.
They're carrying my point, I was getting to, and it's on what you're saying basically that yes, I concede that at some early point, way, way back, is where the extraterrestrial, so to speak, seed was planted, and it was extraterrestrial by default.
Historical Seeds of Advanced Tech00:04:34
Basically, you know, for whatever reason, these guys came here and they said, Oh, we got to bring these people up to level, and they were human beings, in my opinion, and they planted this technological seed.
Which, by the time we reach the 19th century or even our Middle Ages, this technology has really become part of human history.
So, it really is a secret thread of development that's been running through human history.
In other words, I'm saying this instead of a recent flying saucer crash, you know, 100 years ago that, you know, dropped out of the sky from another planet.
No, no, no.
This is just as you said.
The threads of this, the pieces of this, have been with us for ages.
And the.
Very human, Earth based secret societies have known this.
And they're the guys who have moved it along through history.
Yes.
Absolutely.
It's fascinating when you look at it like that, too.
There's a little bit of 2001 Space Odyssey in that, also.
And I'm not saying, I never say there's no ETs.
I've never said ET doesn't come here.
I think ET does come here.
Yes.
And I'm not.
I'm not one of these misanthropes who just, oh, you know, they go on and on about humanity is just so awful and low.
And why would ET come to Earth?
It's just such a terrible place.
I'm just, oh my God, people shut up with that.
Stop it.
But it's trendy.
It's the thing.
It makes people feel good to say how rotten we are.
But, you know, us rotten guys, you know, we've also been doing some amazingly.
Positive and good things.
And it is what it is.
And, you know, they would rather believe, I think some people would rather believe that something has dropped out of the sky because it's easier to accept that narrative when, ironically, there's all sorts of historical evidence.
Just look at what some of these historical figures were looking for, as I do in my Secret Mission series with Juan Cabrillo and Sir Richard Francis Burton and more recently Ambrose Bierce.
And I'm presently doing.
Some similar research on that for the new book.
You know, through history, there's been these guys who have been looking for these pieces of this forgotten technology of the lost civilizations.
Wow, it's fascinating.
We obviously, you know, know by the structures that we see that we can't reproduce, like the Great Pyramid, et cetera, that obviously they were in charge of a totally different order of technology.
There's no question about it.
And, you know, Shows have beaten the hell out of that.
Every time you turn on the History Channel, they beat the same 10 graphics and shots of the pyramid with that.
At least it's getting attention.
Remember?
That's true.
Years ago, this stuff would never get this kind of attention.
So, you know, I kind of look at it as, you know, kind of take the goofy or the bad.
No, no, I totally agree.
I'm just, you know, it is interesting when we get into that because one of the things that John Anthony West pointed out is this incredible archaeologist who passed away recently.
Was that actually what you see in Egypt is the opposite, which is the devolution of a culture as you move up by the time you get to when the Romans take over?
Forget it.
That culture is completely debased.
But it starts off in this high level and comes down.
That doesn't make any sense to our tradition.
And it came out of nowhere.
There's no, I think most people, except the most stubborn, see that it was just boom, the advanced Egyptians.
There's no discernible development that anyone's found.
Right.
It was just boom, this advanced civilization, which then did exactly what you described.
It went downhill from there.
Right.
So, what's up with that?
Walter, let's take a few questions from Olivia while we're here from people in the chat.
It's great to have so many people here with us.
We're here with Walter Bosley, who's written the incredible Empire of the Wheel series of books, which do really bring us into.
A historical mystery.
Operation Paperclip and Bell Tech00:07:34
And I think those books are, you know, they're so exclusive to what you do.
I can't think of anyone who goes in that deep on those subjects.
And, you know, you come up, there are characters there from the Old West.
Butch Cassidy even shows up at a certain point, which is.
You know, let me comment on that real quick.
Yeah.
It's a trilogy.
There's the Empire of the Wheel books, the trilogy, and number three was actually supposed to be the second book.
And I stumbled upon the whole Butch Cassidy connection and it blew my mind.
And that's why Secret Mission or Empire of the Wheel 2 is what it is.
It's because there was a little nugget of what the heck in the first book that ties to the Sonora Aero Club.
And that was how I tripped on the Butch.
Just crazy.
Wow.
It is a fascinating story.
And I remember because we were both at the Secret Space Program conference, if you go back, And look at that lecture that you did on Bush Cassidy.
It is fascinating.
And so I recommend everyone check that out and the books.
So, Olivia Europe, what have you got there?
I'm going to start with John Madry.
Was the Wright brothers an early PSYOP?
I don't think so.
I think it was legitimately they were doing what they did.
No.
I think what it might have been was they were outside the black project that I'm referring to.
Definitely.
And they were taking things in the combustion engine, what we know as traditional airplane type technology.
What I think is fascinating since you mentioned that.
Uh, Najat, is there's a story in Lindbergh's autobiography when he's doing that incredible transatlantic flight that as he's you know making that record and doing it, these voices are yelling and rooting with him in the plane.
He's like, Who's going on here?
It's this total metaphysical moment that takes place.
So, there's something about the air when you start dealing with those air spirits.
You know, um, I was pointing out that Prospero thing, and in In the Tempest, he is trying to release Ariel, which is the spirit of the air who's locked in the wood, you know.
And there's something about that.
When you get into that air aspect, there's a whole mythology that goes on there.
You know, actually, the spirit of St. Louis, I think, was made out of like a light sheet metal or something.
So the whole plane was metal when a lot of fuselages were made of, you know, there was a frame and it was fabric pulled over it, but the spirit of St. Louis was metal.
Maybe he was picking up some type of radio.
Yes.
Yeah, okay.
I mean, somebody who's a radio engineer could answer that question better than me.
That's what popped to mind because I never heard the story about those voices.
Oh, yeah.
Something was going on there.
Unbelievable.
Olivia, you're up.
Okay.
Cece Jarvis, 1561 Nuremberg UFO tie in with Nimza.
That's for you, Walter.
It could.
I've not looked at that specifically.
That's very interesting.
All I've done is look at the political stuff going on that I think would have tied with Nimsa in that era.
But thank you for bringing that up.
I'll look at that because that's a good question.
Yes.
Hugh Hoyland, maybe the airship craft that crashed in Aurora, Texas in the late 1880s was one of these crafts?
This is a big Jim Mars story.
What do you think of that?
I do not think for a minute that Aurora was extraterrestrial.
I agree with Michael Busby, who I believe was the first researcher to say this, that Aurora was a crash of one of the 1890s airships.
Yes.
Yes.
A human pilot.
It was not an ET incident.
No matter how much some people want it to be, Aurora was, I think, an airship mystery incident.
Well, there's a book, Breakaway Civilization book by Joseph Farrell, where he cites part of your book.
I forget which one, but it's where one of these.
Ships lands, and he actually sort of gets out and starts chatting with some of the local people and says, Oh, yeah, I'm from a company in New York.
And Richard Testman.
Yeah, that happened more than once where they had encounters with human English speaking pilots and crewmen.
And in one particular case, it was a couple of guys, Amos Dolbear, who you can look him up, he was a scientist of that era, and Samuel Tillman, who was a U.S. Army officer.
In fact, I believe in World War I broke out, they made him Commandant of West Point.
During the war, Tillman's an interesting guy because I was referring to these guys earlier when I said some of the personnel in the 19th century who I think were part of this black project had the background.
Tillman was a chemist, he was a cartographer, and his entire army career matches my speculative scenario for this black project.
Wow.
And Tillman and Dolbear are in the newspaper accounts identifying themselves as crewmen aboard this.
Mystery airship.
Wow.
That's an amazing story.
I saw actually, there's one out there which is Carrie Nanstad.
And do you see her question?
Where do you think the bell went and why do you think we have not seen it?
Walter.
Ah, who says we've not seen it?
Some people say that the bell technology, well, to answer your first question, I think it definitely came to the United States with the Operation Paperclip guys.
And some people speculate that.
A version of the bell, probably very small, that bell technology might have been used to assist the Apollo craft on lifting off from the moon.
Because when you watch the films of that, you don't see the typical rocketry building of the power and it slowly builds speed and ascends.
You see it pop, it just pops.
Right.
Now, I know right now there's a rocket scientist out there that's yelling and screaming and telling me to go to hell and blah, But it is a theory out there that Bell technology was used for that.
Now, if that's the case, if the Operation Paper Click Germans brought this Bell technology to the States and we started using it, if NASA actually used it in Apollo, I've hypothesized that our secret space program was kind of a parallel program to.
You know, when you look at what NASA was developing, our secret space program was along the same track, but maybe a decade or two ahead through most of its development.
It would stand to reason under that speculation that the Bell technology has been applied to our secret space program.
And so maybe we have seen it.
We just don't know what we're looking at.
Templars, Lemuria, and Humanoids00:05:32
Right.
Oh, look at the, I'm sorry, look at the Kexberg UFO, for example.
That's exactly what I was talking about.
You know, bell shaped and in the 60s.
So there's another clue.
Yeah.
Developing it in the United States.
Well, they describe it, the witnesses describe it with all these hieroglyphs on it, which I've always found fascinating.
That is a real mystery, but I do think that the bell is a major player in history in terms of energy advancements and that we just don't get to see it.
Right.
Okay, Olivia, Europe.
Okay, so someone is asking about the Prussian and Tebler connection.
Templar connection to the Prussians?
There would not be, in my opinion, a direct Templar connection, but there definitely, in my research, was a Teutonic Knight.
Now, the Teutonic Knights were kind of like the German version, the Germanic Prussian version of the Templars.
In fact, they modeled themselves on the Templars.
They were doing the same thing during the same crusade in which the Templars were founded.
They just wanted to serve the German.
Germanic Prussian pilgrims to the Holy Land and serve all the military interests there.
So, they founded the Teutonic Knights, very much fashioned on the Templars.
And I argue that it was during that Fourth Crusade that Joseph Pharaoh, for example, writes about, in which they were on their way to the Middle East, but they decided, eh, let's just stop and sack Constantinople.
And in Constantinople, there was one of those libraries, like the Library of Alexandria, that had some amazing ancient stuff in it.
And the argument is that, you know, the Templars, they got their little piece of that.
And I argue that the Teutonic Knights benefited from that too.
So you're in the right direction that there was an order of knights, but in my opinion, it was the Teutonic Knights, not the Templar.
Yeah, I have a question to pop in here.
There was a guy named Dan Fry in the 50s who was part of this wave of these contactees.
A lot of different ones, George Van Tassel and all the rest of it.
Some of them very interesting guys.
Van Tassel had a history with Howard Hughes.
But Fry.
Exhibits a story which I've seen before, which is he gets into this flying cigar shaped object and it takes him from, I think, New Mexico to New York in minutes.
And while he's dealing with this humanoid occupant aboard the craft, the humanoid says, I'm from your ancient Lemuria and we keep an eye on your civilization and all this stuff.
This comes up sometimes, and it's very odd because without the Lemurian or Atlantean part of it, it would seem like a very normal contact story from the period.
What do you think is going on there with cases like that, where the occupants identify themselves as being from these lost continents?
There's also this incredible mythology around Mount Shasta being the home of this Lemurian advanced beings who actually live in Shasta.
Where do you think all that comes from?
Ah, possibly from a nugget of fact.
As I said, I'm in that school of thought where I think in ancient times there were advanced civilizations, and of course they fell.
But it's my personal opinion that the Atlantis legend, the Lemurian legend, that there's a nugget of truth somewhere in there, that way back there was a technologically advanced civilization.
There was some type of conflict and they did fall.
And whoever they were, whatever actually happened, this grew into our Atlantis legends.
And then, of course, the Lemurian legend, of course, grew out of the same nugget.
So let's say that's true.
Who's to say there weren't survivors of that?
And maybe that does explain all these stories of encounters with these hidden civilizations.
Dad's story included.
Now, it could also be, as I state in my book, Shimmering Light, that it's not that there's definitely not this hidden civilization, remnant of this civilization, this hidden group.
It could be, like in my dad's case, that they used that as the planted narrative because it was so hard to believe.
That's where it gets kind of layered.
But it could, in my opinion, explain some of these UFO contactee encounters, indeed, where they say, hey, you know, we're either of ancient Lemuria or when they claim we're from Venus, we're from Mars, we're from Lanalos or whatever, when actually they're from right here.
And it's just a lot easier to say, I'm from another planet than to say, I'm right here living in Mount Shasta.
Cynical Contactee Encounters00:02:35
Lanalos, you're really going to get it.
Yeah, the unfortunate thing is there's a lot of nonsense in the UFO contactee world, and it kind of has muddied the waters, just like disinfo and ufology.
And it's designed to do that, I think.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it is interesting because of your background in intelligence, and with me, with the journalism that I do, there is a way to spot it.
That's what's so interesting.
And when you spot it, it comes out, and it's, you know, It might be obvious to people who can see it, but for an average person, it would seem like, oh, there's another story, and it doesn't look like a cooked up Intel story or a cooked up marketing thing necessarily.
So, on one hand, you have these people who are very cynical and would never accept anything, and they lose so much by being cynical.
But then you have that real gullible train, and they are so open to the kind of manipulations that will come from either the Intel side or the marketing side.
So, it's a very thin, narrow road that we need to go down.
Here's my present position that I've come to after the years that I've been doing this.
I'm of the opinion that people having legitimate contacts, for the most part, they ain't talking.
Yeah.
I tend to tell people my rule of thumb is if someone's claiming to be a contactee, if they're appearing at conferences claiming to be a contactee, if they're on radio shows claiming to be a contactee, I tend to doubt that they're a contactee.
I think they're just somebody.
Either, for the most part, people wanting attention.
They want to be a star in the field of the weird.
Or there's the possibility that they're a disinfo agent sent out to make things look goofy.
It's my personal opinion and experience in researching this stuff and looking closely at this stuff that people who've really been contacted keep it to themselves for whatever reason.
It could be the intensity, the experience.
Not knowing how to explain it to others, it could be that the requirement of having even been approached was that they had impressed upon whoever and whatever's disclosing itself, they had impressed upon that entity, being, or whatever, that they are the type that would not go public with it, that they would keep it between them.
Reptilian Ideas and Jules Verne00:05:58
This is where I'm at with this right now.
Wow.
That's why, you know, because inevitably and invariably, when you look at the people that are way public about all this, I'm telling you, eventually it breaks down.
If people are honest with themselves and the true believers set aside their true believers and their faith and look closely, the very public contactees, it breaks down or it doesn't hold up to begin with.
So that's where I'm at right now.
The real ones aren't talking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can totally see that perspective.
It's good.
It's actually kind of a good rule of thumb.
Thank God we get people who break through that.
You know, think of the Kelly Cahill story because Australia is on my mind.
But her story is so compelling.
And she's just the kind of person that, you know, she may not have come forward.
She was just caught in the situation and we got her story, which is really fascinating.
Olivia Europe.
Christine Taggart, were both Tesla and Jules Verne hooked into the same source?
And who?
There was an audio going on.
Jules Verne.
Jules Verne and Tesla, were they hooked into the same source?
Well, that's really cool because, you know, there's long been this theory that Verne was being fed things by the angelic society, the Societe de.
My French is terrible right now.
Yeah.
Basically, you know, this secret society that was clued into this forgotten technology of the lost civilization.
We'll call them the French secret society.
Yeah.
And so, and the reason people think that is look at all the stuff that Vern wrote about that in the following century came to be.
Now, some people say, well, he inspired a bunch of young engineers and scientists.
Well, yeah.
But that might have been.
Why they gave him this stuff so that it would plant the seeds.
See, both could be true.
And Tesla certainly could have been fed something from somebody.
That's fascinating.
I remember reading that Engelbert Humperdinck, the name, came from a Jules Verne story.
So that's how advanced he was.
He was way ahead of everyone.
What about Edward Bulwer Lytton?
Does he fit into that?
Is he one of those that has come on your radar?
Yeah, I've, um, I have his, you know, his famous book, um, with the vril, and yeah, and it that you know, that's another one where you know, how much did he get from a secret society?
You know, how much of his story, um, is fiction, fantastical, and how much might be true?
Um, it, it, it ultimately leads you, the person looking at that, to make a decision.
Either you're going to just say, well, um, No, there's nothing to this idea that these guys were in on actual secret information.
Or, okay, there's something to it, but they only left so many crumbs.
And you reach a point where you have to decide I'm going to be satisfied with the crumbs they left behind, or I'm really going to dig into this and pursue it.
And that very often, I'm inclined to say usually, I'm going to say that very often leads you down.
An interesting path into a strange forest of many rabbits.
Some of which some people don't come back from.
Ah, good point.
So we only have time for a few more questions.
All right.
Sandy Shores is just dying for me to ask Is there a reptilian link with the SSP?
Well, that's the question I don't think.
However, I think that this.
I'm in the middle of doing a video book, so to speak.
I did three or four chapters before the end of the year, and I'm going to be picking it up again.
But in that, I talk about this Prussian group who I think is involved with Nimza called the Society of Lizards.
And it is my opinion that this might be the source.
Of where somebody got the idea of this reptilian thing.
So it's not that people that would be involved in this would really be reptilian lizards.
They're part of this society.
They're part of this secret culture called the Society of Lizards.
It makes life a whole lot easier, that's for sure.
But no, I don't think there's lizard people or commandos fighting lizard people in tunnels in New Mexico.
I think that's nonsense.
Well, I'll tell you what's fascinating.
Somebody on the side here while we were talking mentioned Aldous Huxley.
And Huxley strikes me as somebody in this mold of.
Being, you know, in his family, that lineage, he was, there was a famous scientist who was, I think his uncle.
But one of the amazing things about Huxley, since somebody mentioned him, is that his next door neighbor, when he lived in Ojai, California, was Krishnamurti.
And I've always thought the strangeness of those two guys living next door to each other, you know, the author of Brave New World and all those great books and the Doors of Perception, right next to the man who basically.
Kind of destroyed the Theosophical Society from what it had become and was this incredible spiritual leader.
Da Vinci, Nixon, and Time Travel00:02:12
Okay, that was just an aside, but while I couldn't resist, what else have you got?
Okay, Science Churchill.
Where did Da Vinci get his aircraft ideas from?
Did he possibly time travel or communicate with advanced ETs?
Da Vinci clearly got those from John Teeter and Andrew Basiago.
I'm kidding.
Okay.
With Da Vinci, you're dealing with a really brilliant, and that's an understatement.
But, you know, again, Da Vinci has been credited or theorized to have been in one of these secret societies involved with this, again, this forgotten technology.
I think with Da Vinci, it was a combination of his genius and his esoteric knowledge.
So, I think he's one of those like Vern and the others who probably knew some stuff about some stuff that had been found.
And combining that with his genius, there you go.
There's your answer.
Wow.
What else?
Good question for you.
Are there any known meetings between Nixon and Corso?
Not on the record, but you know, it's interesting because Corso talks about Nixon.
And his China policy, and how Nixon had to basically give up on Vietnam to get China to come to the table, and all those things.
Corso talks about briefing RFK, talks about briefing JFK.
We know he was in the Eisenhower administration.
So, you know, his trail, I think, goes very well.
Of course, he had meetings with Nixon.
I find it fascinating he doesn't include them in his book.
I've recently written his son to see if there was anything.
On Philip Corso Jr., and you're invited, by the way, to come on this program anytime in case you didn't get my email.
Gene Nixon and Occult Research00:02:38
But if there were meetings between Corso and Nixon, look, Corso and Gene Nixon were best friends.
Gene Nixon visited the White House or called it 80 times during the Nixon administration.
Obviously, you know, with his connections, if they're friends and he's that deep in the government, he dealt with Nixon on the UFO file.
I would love to hear what the outcome of that was.
He didn't mention it at all in his book.
So, excellent question.
Okay, Lee Veltman.
Can you ask Walter about psychological warfare and Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino?
Wow.
And no name asks along those lines, does paganism fit into all of this in some way?
Well, bingo.
But Walter, Michael, give me those.
Well, what came out of Satanism inside the military?
Well, you know, this is interesting because it ties into, you know, when I first came on tonight and I was thinking of this.
When you get into the intelligence community or the national security apparatus, we'll say, because I was.
First, counter intel, counter espionage, and there was intel taskings and all that, and then I was intel.
You learn that there are the term spooks, you know, has to do also with the spooky nature because you meet all sorts of guys that are very well read and up on these arcane things.
Case in point, we're talking about MKUltra, and I believe it was Gottlieb's, Sydney Gottlieb.
I think if I'm getting the name right, yeah.
Um, he was MK Ultra's resident expert on paganism and you know practiced it to some degree.
And it was, I believe, his research that led to, according to some sources in MK Ultra, them getting into things like the occult and supernatural things.
So, you know, there's a character like that.
Um, I guarantee you, there was a hundred others who you never heard about that.
You know, they're into this.
When I got my first counterintelligence operations training with the FBI back in '88, I learned that one of the guys running that program was a huge Tolkien fan and other arcane literature, and he smoked a pipe.
And my point is, you get into that world, you meet the weirdos, as the other agents call them.
And I was one of those.
Political Circles and Presidential Signs00:02:31
Right.
You know, agent by day, student of arcane.
Mystic stuff at night.
A couple of quick things.
Somebody popped up on the side here, and it's a good point.
They wanted to know what you thought of a couple of things we showed here earlier.
This one is a let me see if I can do this.
This is a letter from President Nixon to Donald Trump in 1987, urging him to run for president.
Oh, wow.
I can't see that, but that's interesting.
What does it?
Wow.
And well, what's significant about it is it says, Dear Donald, which is a friendliness there.
There's Uncle John and the stuff I put on my blog.
Yes.
And I want to go into that actually.
That's Nixon with Trump and John Connolly.
Uh huh.
Oh.
Yeah, nice combination.
And I pulled out a USA Today article which said that this letter from Nixon sits on Trump's desk in the White House on the Oval Office now.
So.
What do you think of the Trump Nixon just offhand?
How does that strike you?
I think that due to the presence, the fact that Trump's Uncle John was the guy that, out of all the guys in America, all the engineers, it's Donald Trump's uncle who was asked by the FBI to look at the secret Tesla papers in 1943.
And so, what does that tell you?
That tells you that, you know, the Trump's, Donald Trump's specific line, have been moving in certain circles in the know about stuff for decades.
We know that nobody runs for president by accident.
Nobody anymore, if they ever did, truly just comes out of nowhere and runs for president and has any real chance of winning.
And I don't think that, don't get me wrong, I don't think that's all evil.
I mean, politics are what they are.
Oh, yeah.
It's just the way it is.
So, yeah.
Well, don't you know Obama was just a humble little community organizer who never left?
Presidency was in his future.
Yeah.
Just had his finger on the pulse of America, right?
Vatican Ties and the Vril Society00:13:36
Okay, Olivia, you're up.
You got two questions left.
Okay.
Mitterrand 1255.
What are the Vatican astronomers looking for at the Mount Graham Observatory?
Hmm.
We're going to have to look that one up.
I don't know that one.
Mount Graham.
It could be that they're looking for signs of the return of a group.
Oh, did you say the Vatican?
Yeah.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's a fascinating one.
They could be looking for the return of the cousins, as Joseph Farrell calls them.
You know, a group that hasn't been here in a very long time coming back.
I've heard that.
Yes.
That's a very interesting one.
And we know that the Vatican adopted a policy that said the alien thing causes no problems to us, and we're happy even to baptize them if they come here.
Yeah.
They could be watching.
In approaching or watching a certain area of space because they know that's the approach that's going to be taken.
So, well, if they're consulting the Vatican Library, they probably get those coordinates, no question.
I'd love to let you loose in there for a little while.
Anybody would love to, you know, in our world would love to just be let loose there.
Absolutely.
I just, you know, it's funny, real quick, when I was doing counterterrorism work, I had to spend a month in Rome.
One time, and a young lady I worked with, she wanted to go to the Vatican.
So we went down there, and she was ready to go in.
And she said, You aren't going in?
I said, No, I have no interest in going in there.
So I spent the couple of hours she was in there at a coffee shop.
I truly had no interest in seeing.
I'm right outside there in the big plaza there with the columns.
But I truly had no interest, and I don't regret it.
Yeah, I can appreciate it.
It's been nothing to me.
Olivia, you're up.
Okay.
So is Nimsa really, how is Nimsa related to the Vril Society in early 20th century Austria Hungary?
Perfect question.
Relating Nimsa to Vril?
The Vril Society would have been a product of their influence.
That's my opinion.
Nimsa would be the overarching, because it's my opinion that Nimsa was really the secret hand behind our push, the modern era push for globalism.
That's really their style.
That's what they're all about.
When you look at the fingerprints as I see them.
And the Vril Society would have been a product of Nimsa influence on the esoteric culture in Europe, in Germany, in the late 19th, early 20th century.
Wow.
Before we go, Walter, can you give us just your quick thoughts on Pine Gap, which is what we started off with in the show?
And I did a lot of overviews about.
What they were using it for, but just your general impressions of the facility.
My understanding from recent discussions with other researchers and scholars is that Pine Gap might have been handling the secret communication between, for example, Apollo and Mission Control and whatever back here, the stuff that they didn't want us to hear.
Right.
And so that's kind of where I'm at on that.
It was kind of, it offered that buffer.
So it's, you know, there were two channels, the public one and then the not public one.
And I think, you know, that's what I think about Pine Gap.
I missed the first part of the discussion because I was doing an errand.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I basically, what I think is fascinating is that all the sightings are on Pine Gap.
I showed this, which is like a close by little resort.
And, you know, they do this graffiti because they know that there's just like with the Area 51 thing and the extraterrestrial highway.
It becomes commonplace for them to see these things.
So I'm very interested in that ET tie in with Pine Gap.
Olivia, you got it.
The last question of the evening.
Well, it is a Pine Gap question.
Does ZJ think Pine Gap has made an alliance with certain ET groups and not others?
Are they working on hybrid humans there?
Wow.
Wouldn't we like to know?
I'll tell you the tracking of the X and the symbolism, the code that's been used.
I think from Dornberger's X program of space planes ends up at Pine Gap.
So earlier, we showed the Prospero tie in with the Prospero satellite and the Prospero base that was close by, and that Pine Gap was in Prospero.
And I think we could learn a lot by studying the Shakespearean tie in to why they were using those names when they created those bases.
Also, we saw one Australian prime minister assassinated and another one thrown out of office.
Who opposed Pine Gap.
So I think that the alien ET redevelopment of craft takes place at Pine Gap.
The actual alien bodies thing, I don't know if they do that there, but I can tell you all of the research that I've done points to the fact that Pine Gap became the repository for everything, not everything, but the vast majority of where the Programs were going like we started with Blue Gemini and we went through these various X programs.
By the time it gets to Pine Gap, originally they say, Well, it's going to be a space facility.
And then the next thing that they say is, You know, there are stories that come out that say, This is an incredible thing.
They're eavesdropping on everyone on the planet.
So it's an incredibly sophisticated base.
And what we know is that the NSA and the CIA run it, in that the supportive military base is Prospero.
So, my guess.
The high end aspects of the ET redevelopment program in terms of UFO technology reside at Pine Gap.
What's interesting about that is it's Australia, right?
Yeah.
And look at Australia's relative proximity to Antarctica and all the stuff about what has been found there.
And, you know, I was told 20 years ago the very same stuff that's been coming out in the last two years.
That's why I've paid attention to the Antarctica stuff.
Even though I think there's a bunch of nonsense by a certain group being spouted about that.
The basics I heard 20 years ago in a very private, keep it to yourself setting.
And maybe they find this stuff there and they get it to Australia where it's out in the middle of nowhere.
I don't know.
Fascinating.
Walter, I couldn't resist showing you this Pine Gap shot, which was shot by a photographer, kind of.
Lift it up higher.
Oh, there we go.
Okay.
These domes, that's what's running the show down there.
And they're not penetrable for people trying to kind of scam into what they're doing.
But very, very unusual facility there.
And in my opinion.
So nobody has any idea what kind of radar tech is inside those things, then, right?
No, but interestingly enough, it showed up in the Snowden document dump.
And he said that they had the ultimate ability to listen to any phone call or email on the planet.
Kind of like, you know, supercharged Bluffdale, basically.
Oh, great.
I want to thank everyone for joining me.
I'm going to give Olivia the last question, though, because she always gets it.
This is such a juicy question.
It's going to go on forever, though.
Heather Polly, what is the cause of the historically repeating Tower of Babel moments?
That's a great one.
Right off the top of my head, I would say that one answer could be just that.
Human curiosity and drive to know.
And so you build up to where you have that moment, and it happens that way.
It is fascinating.
And the Tower of Babel is particularly interesting because you get into that thing where they say, oh, they're doing too much.
They're going too far.
We're going to have to confuse their language and cut them down.
That group that's talking at that point in the Bible is pretty unusual.
The gods.
You know, it's not your usual Jehovah voice.
Right.
It's a plural.
It's, oh, who are these guys?
Yes, absolutely.
And what's interesting about it is also it's getting into communications.
You know, it's like, oh, you know, they're getting to a point where anything they can imagine that they can do, they'll be able to do.
This is a bad scene.
Let's make sure they can't talk to each other.
That's basically like take out their grid.
So obviously, I guess we caused some problems back there for whoever was looking after us.
Walter, fantastic work.
Thank you very much for being with us.
We intend to have you back again because, of course, there's lots going on around these kind of pumped up disclosure movements that I want to talk to you about, also.
Well, thanks for having me on.
I really enjoy coming on here and talking with you guys.
This is awesome.
Yeah, no question.
And the book, the latest book that you have out, which is the latest one now?
The latest one is actually Secret Missions 3 Ambrose Beers and The Empire of the Wheel.
Do we get it on Amazon or it's Lulu book?
It's only Lulu.
I only have a couple of titles on Amazon right now, but I had to pull most of my books off Amazon because it was just a better situation for me and the reader to go with print on demand.
So a little more expensive than a digital book, and it takes you a couple of weeks to get it, but you get a solid book.
How do people follow your work?
I have the Walter Bosley channel on YouTube, which I have videos on there about every week or every other week.
And I'm also on empire of the wheel.blogspot.com.
And I'm on social media where I'm always announcing appearances like this.
Wow, fantastic.
It's been great having you.
And I think, yeah, actually, your brief video updates are always great.
I highly recommend them.
And the questions were great tonight.
What a fantastic lineup of questions.
And we had a huge crowd.
I really appreciate everyone coming on.
We have episodes coming up this spring with Catherine Austin Fitz, Dr. Joseph Farrell, Linda Moulton Howe.
It's just an incredible lineup.
And of course, we'll have Joseph back and Alexandra Bruce, who says hi, by the way, Walter.
Hey, Alza.
Yeah.
So thanks so much for being with us.
Extraordinary information from Blue Gemini.
All the way through Prospero and Pine Gap, and then right into the heart of Nimza with Walter Bosley.
Just a fantastic show.
And I want everyone to have an excellent weekend.
And Olivia, outstanding.
What can I say?
You were the greatest.
You can say goodbye to everyone if you want.
Thanks, everybody.
But you did great.
Those were really excellent questions.
And you also deal incredibly well under stress.
So thank you.
And so make sure to go to darkjournalist.com, sign up for the newsletter so you don't miss the shows that are coming up.
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So it's a real brain trust, and that's a great exchange, and I really appreciate it.
So thank you so much, Walter.
Great to have you, Olivia.
And we're off to some kind of veggie something.
I don't know what.
Tater tots.
Tater tots.
I knew it was coming.
So thank you very much, everyone, and we'll talk soon.