Daniel Delong and Dr. Joseph Farrell expose a coordinated disinformation campaign linking Tom DeLong, Harry Reid, and Robert Bigelow to fake UFO footage and corporate marketing schemes designed to privatize the narrative. They analyze how figures like Luis Elizondo allegedly use "passage material" and epistemological warfare to discredit independent researchers while promoting occult-influenced agendas involving Lockheed Martin and the petrodollar system. Ultimately, the discussion predicts the collapse of these controlled stories as ufology shifts toward interdisciplinary investigations into geopolitics and national security, urging listeners to seek truth beyond corporate "hope porn." [Automatically generated summary]
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Secret Satellite in Africa00:15:22
For you tonight, which we're going to really focus in on some of the details that have come out about this Tom DeLong operation and the Academy to the Stars video and the video that got released specifically through the New York Times article.
I'm joined by Alexandra Bruce from Forbidden Knowledge TV.
Hello.
Great to see you.
And a very special guest for our live show, Dr. Joseph Farrell from Kisa Death Star.
Joseph?
Hi, Daniel.
Really great to have you here.
Now, what I want to do is basically show a couple of factors that came up just before all of the Tom DeLong stuff came along.
Now, we've been in quite a disinformation surge, which is something we covered in the last video.
And the disinformation surge seemed to really go off the rails, starting sometime with the JFK files release back around October 27th.
Now, I did a live broadcast at that time with Alexandra Bruce, and we wound up doing an HBO special.
On the Trump release of those videos, of those files.
And a number of the files were blocked, specifically the Jim Garrison files, which I found fascinating, but Joseph was not surprised.
But in doing that research around those files, I found that over and over again, Garrison was going back to this aerospace connection into the JFK assassination.
He's going back to that over and over again.
And I wondered, hmm.
This has got to make me look even deeper at these aerospace companies.
So, as we know, the Tom DeLong Academy to the Stars press release came out.
Of course, Tom DeLong had been around the space and tried a few things like secret machines.
And he'd been on coast to coast and done that push.
And, you know, they did that PR push with me.
And I had done a show in 2016 for Vice that was addressing secret machines and the stuff that Tom DeLong was talking about.
And at that time, I gave the.
Statement that basically it looked like a marketing campaign and not much else.
So that was where I stood on it.
Now, as things developed, it became more of a political juggernaut mixed with an intelligence maneuver.
So they sort of sandwiched all three of those in.
And what I found fascinating about all this is during this period of time, we started seeing other strains of things coming into the independence space.
And Alexandra can tell you just from the Forbidden Knowledge TV videos that she's run, we really had things coming in like QAnon came into the space.
That was this kind of magic Wizard of Oz that I did a video on with Joseph.
And we had the Tom DeLong stuff come into the space, of course.
And we seemed to be having this push over a cliff of all these different factors.
And they were all hitting at the same time, very interestingly.
It was like an end of the year surge, and the disinformation aspects.
We're just off the chart.
Now, we could go on the whole show and just talk about that, but what I'm going to do is focus in on a few interesting things that happened.
Okay, so here's my timeline.
So the timeline starts back there, October 27th, with the JFK Files release.
And it moves forward in time.
So we go through the Tom DeLong press release and all that, and the Academy to the Stars and his appearance on Joe Rogan, which bombed and probably had them change their strategy.
But from there, December 16th was a very interesting date because the New York Times carried this video and it carried these statements.
Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal put together this article.
Now, these are respected UFO journalists, so it was even more peculiar that they were involved in this New York Times article in a sense, because the details were not very clear and there were a lot of wild claims made.
And all of a sudden, Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow were driving the ship of UFO disclosure.
Everything looked very, very funny to me.
But then, right after that, we had a SpaceX launch in Los Angeles.
And they launched one of their Falcon 9 rockets, and it scared.
The entire town of Los Angeles.
Nobody knew what was going on.
And it was obviously kind of moving off of this UFO New York Times thing.
And they were doing this close to the holidays so they could kind of get away with it because after the holidays, people would forget whatever it was in case things went wrong.
That's the way I read it.
And what was very fascinating to me was right in this period of time, we had all this talk about this secret satellite that SpaceX was going to put up there called Zuma.
And Zuma was a particularly interesting project.
First thing about it that was odd, they could not disclose the agency that was putting it up.
That was kind of a problem.
Second thing that was odd, it never made it.
Something happened to Zuma along the way that now they're in these space subcommittees on the Intel side saying, What happened?
And it's a $9 billion price tag for the taxpayer.
SpaceX takes no responsibility because they just got it up there.
And then we have this sort of thing tumbling into orbit.
Now, on January 16th, we get the strange meteor in Michigan, which lights up the night sky.
I want to, on this one, I want to show this comparison here that I put together.
And by the way, we are going to be taking questions on this later, so we'll get a lot of different material in.
But first things first, okay, this, if everyone can see it, Is the shot of the Falcon 9 rocket that SpaceX launched over Los Angeles after Tom DeLong's announcement?
This is another shot of that.
And, you know, it makes quite a visual display coming on the heels of that.
And so I'm thinking, hmm, Zuma, okay.
Then let's take a good look at this.
This is the meteor strike in Michigan.
And this is that meteor, quote, meteor before it hit.
Somebody shot it along the highway.
Now, I went and did some research.
What was starting to bother me was the name.
I understood we had a secret satellite.
I understood the $9 billion.
I understood what they said happened to it.
And I understood this thread of links going in from the DeLong operation through the space satellite, through these different things that were happening.
Now, a meteor.
I started to wonder well, one thing we have on this is the name.
So let's work with the name for a minute.
The name was very interesting.
Zuma is the president of South Africa.
And in South Africa, I was learning things about the NASA that they have in South Africa called SANSA, which they want to do their own missions to the moon.
They have all these things happening.
They're very much on the ground, a partner with the U.S. Have to have US security clearances there on the ground with the network that they're running.
So we're looking at a very coordinated situation between the US and South Africa.
Now, as I went deeper into it, I found that there was quite a wave of sightings of UFOs in South Africa in December and early January.
And if we go into the history of that area, we get a lot of different sightings, of course.
There's quite a legend about a crashed saucer that took place in the late 1990s where we had to negotiate with the government to get it.
But beyond that, there was also that really kind of wild affair at the aerial school in Zimbabwe.
Which is close by.
And that one, John Mack, actually, Professor John Mack went and interviewed a number of 40 different children who had experienced this close encounter with these craft and actually beings coming out.
So, certainly a lot of activity around this area.
So, that started to get my attention too.
So, then I said, we've got to find something on Zuma himself.
It has to be something more to the Nicii with him that would relate to this.
And I found out that he was rolled into a few odd positions along.
The way to becoming president of South Africa.
One of them was being in charge of intelligence in Zambia and also being in charge of underground structures, which I can't wait to get into that with you, Joseph.
But his most interesting accolade from the past was that he was involved with this huge Armsdale, one of the biggest ever in Africa.
And there were so many corruption trials that came out of this.
And actually, when he was deputy president, they threw him out.
Because they said you're just all over the corruption that happened here.
Now, interestingly enough, he was involved with drafting that and he made a statement all about it.
The program itself was called the Strategic Defense Initiative.
Now, we know another SDI, certainly, and that is President Reagan's SDI, Star Wars from the 1980s.
So, whatever was going on with this, you know, bizarre arms deal in the early 2000s.
In which he was a major player, and they still have gone after him for this years later.
And they actually threw him out as deputy president for that.
He was using the exact title that Reagan had used for Star Wars.
So that bothered me a lot.
And as I got deeper and deeper into it, I found other things that give us a much better picture of what's happening in the last three months.
And Zuma is certainly involved in the satellite itself, which is under subcommittee for Intel on the space side right now.
And when they come forward to talk about it, they say it's so significant to NASA that we can't talk about it in open session.
And we can't identify the wing of the government that put it in space.
And according to them, they can't get a hold of it, it's gone.
Now, interestingly enough, it disappeared before we got this major Michigan meteorite.
Will take us into the Tom DeLong story, I think, nicely.
But, Joseph, right off the bat, how are you feeling about Zuma?
Well, it's funny that you mentioned all this information about the president of South Africa.
I didn't know all that.
I put a link up in the chat room for you regarding the Zuma satellite that I saw an article at Mysterious Universe.
And it's actually titled Mysterious Knights Templar Spy Satellite Launched.
And it has.
Allegedly, I have not had time to research any of this.
I didn't know what you were going to be talking about.
It has the mission patch of the satellite in this article.
At the top of the mission patch, it reads, Mali nunquam prevalibunt, evil shall not prevail.
And the actual mission patch itself shows a dragon in the background with a knight in full suit of armor bearing a shield with two griffins.
Mm hmm.
And rather than the Templar cross on his shield, there is a red fleur de lis, okay, which to me is extremely interesting that they would put that as a symbol.
And of course, the knight is slaying the dragon.
And of course, you get all sorts of speculations about what all of this symbolism might mean.
It is an unusual patch for a spy satellite.
But let's go to South Africa because you're mentioning so much stuff here.
That has some tie ins to details that have emerged over the years about strange goings on in Africa.
Let's go all the way back to President Carter.
At the end of his administration, I think circa 1978 to 1979, you had the strange statement that he made that the Vela spy satellites at that juncture had detected what they thought was an atomic blast off of the coast of South Africa.
In the South Atlantic Ocean.
And of course, the Carter administration at that time accused South Africa of having detonated an A bomb.
And we know that South Africa had an atomic bomb program with, guess what, lots of underground installations that were built by the South Africans.
And guess who?
West Germany.
Oh, yeah.
Now we're getting somewhere.
Now we're getting somewhere.
And a book was published.
I actually have this book in my library.
It was published by the New York Times.
Back in 1979 or 80, I think it was called The Nuclear Axis, and then the subtitle was The Secret Nuclear Collaboration Between West Germany, South Africa, and Israel.
Oh, yeah.
And, you know, it goes into elaborate detail about where South Africa and Israel were getting their nuclear technology.
Well, they were getting it, you know, from West Germany, which is, if you do a little research into the German nuclear program, you discover they're behind all sorts of nuclear proliferation.
Yes.
But what really gets me here is that Zuma is talking about strategic defense initiatives.
You're talking about the private space corporation launch of a spy satellite, which suggests to me that the spy satellite itself isn't really a government satellite.
It may be a corporate spy satellite being launched for some consortium we don't know.
But the interesting thing, the reason I mention this, is that Africa's the home.
To another very, very secret venture that Mikhail Gorbachev, right before he was ousted, began to talk about.
Pravda began to talk about this.
Sputnik began to talk about it right before the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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In the Congo, there was a very, very large 250,000 square mile secret preserve that was being run by a company called OTRAG.
Okay, O T R A G.
And I've mentioned this in a few of my books.
OTROG was a private consortium, a private company that was being set up to create cheap, heavy lift launch vehicles.
And the name of the company, OTROG, stands for Orbital Transport Raketen Aktiengesellschaft.
In other words, we're back to Germany again.
And Gorbachev accused the Germans of running essentially a private Area 51 in the Congo.
Making biological weapons, making cruise missiles, making all sorts of advanced technologies.
And here's the clincher this one's a real bombshell.
If you recall from my book, Roswell and the Reich, I talk about the fellow by the name of Dr. Kurt Davis.
I've talked about him several times.
This was the Nazi scientist that was actually in charge of Cape Canaveral.
He was the senior flight administrator during the Apollo moon launches.
Now, Dr. Davis was not a rocket scientist at all.
He was a plasma physicist, folks.
And he, additionally, if you dig into him, when he retired at NASA, prior to his retirement for the last few years of his life, he was in charge of NASA's UFO desk.
He was the one, in other words, that was receiving all of NASA's UFO reports.
Wow.
And in addition to this, when he retires, he becomes a member of the board of Guess what?
O Trog.
Oh.
So, in other words, it looks to me, just to kind of flesh out your speculations here, I think where you may have been going with this South Africa connection.
It looks to me as if Africa has been chosen kind of as the new platform, you know, because of its wilderness nature in a lot of areas, because of its remoteness, its inaccessibility in a lot of areas, plus the fact that you have that German.
Israeli, South African, American, strange nexus of technology transfer.
This is what is really interesting.
And now, of course, you've got people like Elon Musk, SpaceX, and so on, privatizing space and launching spy satellites.
So it looks to me, again, like what Catherine Fitz has said, we're watching the transformation of a government program into a private program.
We're watching the shift of assets out of.
The public sphere of government and into the private sphere of corporations.
And that, too, you know, that's a fascinating process because this is hinted at, believe it or not, in those Majestic 12 documents, the so called Cooper Cantwheel documents, which suggest that President Nixon is the one that began all of this.
So, do I think there may be ties to Kennedy?
Yeah.
Yeah, you betcha, because what's he doing?
What's Garrison doing?
Well, Garrison, as you've pointed out, he's investigating all of these private aerospace connections.
And technologies in connection with the Kennedy assassination.
So, this is a big pattern here that we've been looking at that's been going on for quite a while.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth.
I hope it's helpful.
Oh, yeah, it's fascinating.
And you said, well, you know, what you said there about the Congo grabs me the most because the one thing I didn't include in there is that when his nephew got into trouble, that is, when the president of South Africa's nephew got into trouble, he shows up in the Paradise Papers.
And what is it that he's shown up, and what's the problem?
Well, he is doing all these illegal deals in oil fields in the Congo.
Uh huh.
When you said the Congo, boom.
That links those together so, so well.
Yeah, and all roads leading back to Berlin once again.
Anyway.
Alexandra, the Paradise Papers, you've done a lot on those.
Anything that you want to throw in to this just about the Paradise Papers and what they represent?
I know a journalist.
Was recently killed.
It was one of the major contributors and who helped reveal those.
And she was a female journalist.
And they set off.
You want to actually tell the story about this?
Well, it was just some papers that I guess were leaked deliberately to a consortium of journalists.
And what was about many high level politicians, including David Cameron, Queen Elizabeth, many heads of state in the third world.
Showing how they had shell corporations in the Caribbean and how there was a very sleek system to set up offshore corporations for people to hide their money.
So many Latin American and African leaders have their money.
And it was through this firm, I'm forgetting, it's something Fonseca was the name of the firm in Panama.
Right.
And so that's what the Panama Papers were.
They revealed all of these people like Queen Elizabeth with offshore bank accounts that are sort of secret.
Or private and would not have been known unless these papers were leaked.
But one thing that triggered, you said Zuma and you went immediately into the South African president, and I totally wouldn't have gone there, but I'm reminded that Elon Musk was born in South Africa.
I think his father was born in Germany.
I think he's half German.
Holly.
Yeah.
Oh, Joseph, what are you?
Surprise, surprise, Alex.
I mean, if we had drawn this up as a planned discussion two weeks ago, it would have taken us to put all those points together.
My God, this is incredible.
Yeah, you know, Elon Musk is obviously South African.
I didn't realize his father was German.
But again, this fits the pattern that I've uncovered as well, Alexandra, that there's some sort of very strange nexus going on in Africa with all of this advanced technology.
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The United States now moving a lot of its military resources into CENTCOM and the African command structure.
So, yeah, we're looking at something.
And while I'm thinking about it, Daniel, you also mentioned that the satellite, they lost the satellite.
And we've seen this before.
We've seen this explanation Martian probes, NASA's Mars probes, suddenly go missing, and then they turn up.
Later on, you know, perfectly fine and in full functioning order, someone came along and scrubbed the, you know, solar panels for us and rebooted the system.
So, you know, I have to wonder did the satellite, was it really lost or is this just a convenient story that's been put out?
You know, is it still functioning?
And if so, you know, who's really in control of it?
And given all these strange connections that we've been mentioning, I have to hold open the possibility that, yeah, the satellite.
May have been lost.
It may still be active.
It may have been stolen.
You know, they may have lost control, but that doesn't necessarily mean that somebody else doesn't have control.
Yeah, and what's the fleur de lis all about?
The fleur de lis is a symbol that used to be the symbol of the French royal house.
Yeah, it's the Orleans, right?
Yeah, the Duke of Orleans and the Bourbon Poisson family.
But also, the symbol has been associated with some very, very murky secret societies, the so called Priory of Zion.
It's been associated with all of that goings on around Rennes-le-Château.
It's been associated with the Republic of Venice, and hence.
Via that, you have the Templar Association.
So, yeah, it's a very, very strange mission patch.
I put that link up there for you guys in the chat room.
You can actually look at the article, and there's a big copy of the mission patch, supposedly.
And again, I don't have any idea if that's really the mission patch.
I will say this mysterious universe tends to run stuff that can be checked and double checked.
So, I'd say they're a pretty good source generally.
We'll definitely check that out.
But it does lend itself to this atmosphere again.
There's a couple of other things in relation to the satellite that I find interesting.
One, I actually wanted to say the guy's name.
It's Representative Bruce Bagan.
He's the chairman of the House Space Subcommittee.
And he was the one who said the mission had a direct impact on NASA and it must not be discussed in open session.
So we know we're in a totally different ballgame now when we deal with that.
Bagan, B E G I N?
Oh, Bruce Babin, B A B I N. B A B I N.
Okay, thank you.
I was thinking if it was Bagan, you know, Menachem Bagan, there's Israel.
We'll find them in here eventually.
There's no question about it.
I do find this interesting, though, because a couple of things have come up where people that I know, and everybody, you know, these broadcasts have gone out, and they've been the craziest broadcasts of all, and they are.
The nuclear alerts that took place in Hawaii last weekend and the subsequent nuclear alerts that took place in Japan afterwards.
So, we're led to believe that both systems suddenly, out of the blue, failed.
And that, you know, I've had friends who've sent me the screen snaps which show the emergency alerts, and they're terrifying.
If you lived in Hawaii, you know, and you developed incredible nervousness after that, I wouldn't blame you a bit.
And what do we make of that coming in this timeline?
How do you feel about that?
Well, I have to tell you, I think, first of all, the idea that somebody just pressed a button and the alert went out.
No, these systems are redundant.
In other words, you can't just press a button and create a false alert and panic.
This is nonsense.
So the real question is why does that system, quote unquote, fail?
Why does the one in Japan fail?
And again, it's going to have built in redundancies and so on.
What's really the game?
And.
Part of me wants to view it as part of this whole marketing scheme pattern that we see going on.
And at the same time, I've seen stories on the internet.
I can't verify whether these are true or not.
That, you know, what that did was it triggered a data dump.
And, you know, all of those emails and so on, Hillary's emails, you know, supposedly the Clintons and Huma Abedin were in Hawaii during that alert.
I have, again, I have no idea if that's true or not.
I understand that Huma was.
I don't know if Hillary was, but that is interesting.
It's a great point, actually.
Yeah, well, if that's a data dump, it may be unconnected to the space scenario and it may be connected to the Clinton thing.
I have no idea.
The problem with that scenario is, what about Japan?
What's going on there?
And part of me thinks that we also might be looking, Daniel, at some sort of covert warfare going on where the various sides at work for global domination are playing with each other's systems, trying to find weak points and so on and so forth.
That wouldn't surprise me either.
So, yeah, I hold open the possibility that it's connected to any or perhaps even all the above.
I'm going to throw in one last very odd connection to Hawaii and Japan, and I'm going to link the JFK document dump through the DeLong story, through the SpaceX rocket story, through the nuclear alerts.
Are you ready?
I'm ready.
Those who've researched the Kennedy assassination deeply know that the entire cabinet was on their way to Asia.
They were on their way to Japan for a major summit, and they were actually going to give a series of talks.
But in fact, when the assassination occurred, they were all in Hawaii.
And many of them had to come back immediately because of what had happened.
But there's certainly an odd feature to them being out of the country and on their way to Japan when it happened.
Now, when they're off the mainland, but they were still in Hawaii.
And oddly enough, apparently, they were supposed to have been actually in Japan.
At the time.
And because there were so many problems going on with this timing around the assassination, there are Japanese newspapers that have lectures and talks by these American politicians who never made it to Japan because they were still in Hawaii and had to turn around and go back to the US.
So somehow there was the whole scenario that was going to unfold, and they had the news stories ready in these newspapers.
But they, I guess, assumed that those people were going to be there.
But they had their stories and their talks and everything and their meetings with this Japanese foreign minister and prime minister already set up in advance.
So we had kind of tripped the timeline there, I guess.
But there we have that odd overhang from the assassination into Japan and Hawaii.
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So I think we're in very odd territory when we get into that.
And now, Alexandra, you must be getting a lot about these nuclear alerts.
What do you think they mean?
I think I'm falling prey to an incredible creeping cynicism because of all this QAnon stuff and because of just the sort of Nazara stuff.
It's getting to the point where I really.
Things are so weird, I can't tell what's real and what isn't.
It's getting bad.
I hear about the nuclear thing and I'm like, yeah, whatever.
I didn't even look into it, I didn't care.
It didn't pay attention.
I think she raises a very good point here, and that is you don't know.
With all of these marketing campaigns, and Daniel, you and I discussed this, that part of it, I think, has the feel, at least to me, I can't speak for you two, but part of it has the feel to me that we're dealing with some sort of epistemological warfare where they are deliberately out to scramble, so scramble and obfuscate data that people can no longer tell what's real and not.
And if you look at it from a strategic point of view, that would seem to me to be.
Moves of desperation from people that realize that they have lost control of the narrative.
And so the way to regain control is to plant so much doubt and cynicism in the public at large.
And then once you get people disbelieving in everything, then proffer a reasonably coherent narrative of everything.
It may not be true, probably isn't coming from the government.
You know, this is the government that gave us magic.
Bullets and collapsing skyscrapers with airplane fuel and collapsing buildings with ammonium nitrate bombs, the whole physically impossible nine yards.
But this to me is what it feels like.
I'm with her.
I look at all this stuff and I'm increasingly cynical.
What does it mean?
Where's the reality?
How many dots do we have to connect to get the picture?
So, yeah, that's the way it looks to me.
Wow, it's fascinating.
And there's a lot of false dot connecting.
Oh, yeah.
Encroaching on the space and saying, hey, look, I've connected all these dots.
You're all set.
Don't worry about it.
It really feels like there's active distraction campaigns.
And so, what are they distracting from is really probably the question.
Right, right.
It's an intense level of activity.
If we're talking about October 27th, by the way, that's when Q showed up too, right?
QAnon showed up in late October.
So, we've got.
That's almost three months.
We're not quite to three months yet of activity like this.
And it all really is interestingly enough started during this JFK Files release, which I thought was an odd thing.
And, you know, instantly when that JFK Files release came out, I think you made the point that they instantly had Gerald Posner on like 60 different sites trying to take it down immediately.
Yes.
That was very real that day.
I made a point to listen to the talk radio shows here locally, and he was all over.
He was on, I think he was on the Glenn Beck show, and then later on, another show had him.
One host was responding to it.
But yeah, there was an attempt to control the narrative even then.
And, you know, Posner came out and basically said, Daniel, well, the documents aren't going to show anything.
All the conspirators' theories are going to be proven wrong.
The Warren report is true, blah, blah, blah.
And of course, the documents did anything but prove it.
Right, yeah.
Proving that.
Yeah.
No, they show that the mayor of Dallas was a CIA asset.
I mean, right.
Instantly, right off the bat, we knew things were getting strange.
And we moved into this unusual November, and we had this Tom DeLong push.
Now, let's start with the video that you ran today on Forbidden Knowledge TV, Alexandra.
Tell us what it is.
Of course, we discussed it and looked at it last night.
Tell us what it is, and tell us what it shows.
Well, anyone who looked at that.
The video that Tom DeLong released, you know, I think Joe Rogan said if I went to a movie theater and they showed me that, I'd ask for my money back.
Right, right.
So.
It's some of the worst UFO footage in history.
Right.
So, and why does it look fake?
What makes it look fake?
Because it really looks obviously composited.
It looks like some 1930s attempt at, you know, creating special effect.
You have this sort of flat object that is.
Seems to be married with a background and it doesn't seem to be a 3D object.
Looks like a flat object.
And so, what this video showed is how that object and the way that it moves has all of the characteristics of the gimbal mount of a gun camera, which is what we're looking at footage from a gun camera.
Now, the only thing that makes it not just look like a straight feed from the gun camera is that it is separated from the background.
There's a cloud field, it's moving across.
It's panning across these clouds, so it can't be just one piece of footage coming out of a gun camera.
So, and then the glowing effects and other things are just artifacts of infrared photography.
So, right, this is called Black Aura that they talk about in the New York Times article, and it's simply an artifact of the infrared being on.
Right.
And they make a really good point of that.
Now, the video is on a channel called Goddard's Journal.
It's about a six minute video, but you can go to Forbidden Knowledge TV.
And watch the video.
And I got to tell you, that video blows that footage away so easily.
And, you know, there have been so many questions about the footage.
I did a two hour New Year's special here about the CIA connections to the Tom DeLong operation.
And by the way, those weren't connections that were visible even a year ago, you know.
So it's when that Academy to the Stars showed up.
Suddenly, we're surrounded by CIA people, you know.
And around this project, you've got people like Jim Semivan.
Ron Pandolfi, who's the top scientist at the CIA, by the way.
We have some of the top medical people who study medicine for the CIA.
You can imagine the types of things that they're privy to.
You've got Bobby Inman.
And we certainly understand the deep state ties of somebody like Inman.
So we suddenly get into this idea that this is a CIA operation.
Let's start there.
And then you've got a marketing push around the entire idea of the academy.
And then What did they do when they were talking about it?
They spent half of their time raising money for the stock offering.
And by the way, I've talked to people about the stock offering, and it's very unusual.
Now, here's a couple of things.
I don't want to get us in too many different tracks, but let's start with this.
You know, they start offering stock shares by credit card.
Now, a number of states objected to that in the first place.
But second of all, the process, obviously, they had checked out over and over again.
You know, the idea was you buy a certain amount of shares and you get a stay in the company and all this kind of thing.
And to date, they've raised over $2 million.
But they're talking about launching vehicles with Lockheed Martin and all this stuff that we know would cost many billions of dollars.
So, obviously, the point is not to raise billions of dollars.
I mean, they might want to anyway, but this is not what it appears to be.
The point is around the video and the New York Times participation.
Here's what we have the New York Times, Harry Reid, former Senate Majority Leader and Senator of Nevada, who was the senator for Area 51, knows how to deal with secrecy very well.
I was on the gaming commission.
What kind of secrets do you have to keep on your way up?
I can talk to that.
Joseph, you worked in a casino.
I worked in a casino as a floor manager.
So, yeah, I know that routine very well.
So, when we're seeing people like that, and then we see Robert Bigelow, Bigelow Aerospace, which is basically like another company like SpaceX that's coming into that space that Catherine Fitz was telling us about.
Just you wait and watch that whole public space program go private, even though it took all the public money to build it up.
So, where does that lead us when we're looking at this?
Because now we're looking at this video, and you cannot come away from that Goddard Journal video thinking that that footage is anything but a test.
And it's not secret UFO footage.
And the way that the rotation of the gimbal camera lenses is described gives you the back and forth.
Now, here's an interesting thing that they did, and this is also cited.
I want to give Goddard's Journal a big thumbs up for this because they made an observation that I've noticed, which is every time they had these pilots come out and It was Robert Fravor who was the pilot.
When he would come out and talk on Fox or on CNN or whatever, they were always showing this video footage that we're talking about beside him.
The only problem is the thing that he saw wasn't that.
That's a totally different video.
That is the Gimbal video, and he saw the USS Nimitz UFO, which they call it.
That's something that the video points out.
It's repeatedly juxtaposed with the Nimitz story.
Right.
And so they're always showing him, and I have a number of clips here, you know, where they show him and he's standing next to this other footage.
And so that's it, gives you the impression, the viewer, that he, this honest, forthright pilot, saw that footage.
And I remember talking to someone who's very sharp on these UFO matters, and he was saying, Oh, that must make the pilot a liar.
And I was thinking to myself, No, he never saw that footage.
So if it was a training video, it's not him.
They used him to come out and talk about whatever he saw in the Nimitz, and they have him standing beside this other video to give us that impression.
So immediately, You know, we have that kind of manipulation.
And of course, when the New York Times got involved, I knew there'd be manipulation.
And they got respectable UFO journalists like George Knapp and Leslie Kane on board with them.
So, you know, this is the nature of the problem with the DeLong thing.
It's a marketing operation, it's an Intel psyop.
And we are now looking at them using this video footage, which again, where did the footage come from?
Well, Elizondo brought it forward, right?
Elizondo seems to be the man who can do no wrong, right?
Elizondo is a counterintelligence officer.
Fighting drug wars and South American terrorist activities in the Middle East.
So he gets assigned to the lowly UFO desk and he gets really disgruntled at a certain point.
Now, this is the story, this is the way they've laid him out.
And they say, well, you know, he got mad at the CIA for not being more forthright and he came out with this video and all these facts about this thing.
Well, the only problem is the program that he was supposed to be mad about ended five years ago, right?
So that the disgruntled ex employee thing doesn't add up at all.
But who is Elizondo?
And here's another question where is Elizondo?
He has not been around at all.
And they said, well, he's going to be at some UFO conference, you know, and then suddenly, oh no, it canceled.
Well, I'll tell you what my suspicion was, Daniel, when this story first broke in the New York Times and the videos came out.
I have not seen the video that Alexander is talking about, but I like her qualification that, you know, this looks like, you know, 1930s special effects, you know, that.
That you might see in a Hollywood movie because I've seen other videos purporting to be gun camera footage that resemble this.
But let's go to the real problem here, which I think is this gun camera footage of UFOs, quite frankly, is nothing new.
If you're familiar with the field of ufology, the late Colonel Wendell Stevens, for many, many years, was.
He had worked on gun camera footage after World War II, gun camera footage in B 29s from Alaska, and so on.
He had assembled a humongous library of pictures of UFOs that were taken by pilots from all over the world, both military and civilian.
So, this is nothing new.
This is what I can't understand the hype around the New York Times, Tom DeLong.
And these gun camera footage videos.
The only thing that strikes me as significant about it is that, yeah, you have for the first time in a major media outlet like the Times an admission by people in the government that, yeah, we were tracking UFOs.
But even there, the context robs you of all the joy because the context is okay, it's former Senator Harry Reid set up this program.
A few years ago.
Well, nonsense.
This program has been going on, as we know, since the end of the Second World War.
So, to me, this is not only a marketing campaign.
And I go back to your insights here.
I think you're absolutely fundamentally correct on this.
It's not only a marketing campaign, but given all of the intelligence apparatus and personnel that you see kind of hovering on the fringes of it.
It looks to me kind of like a limited hangout position more than anything else.
This is something that they've concocted to regain control of the narrative through creating the cynicism that Alexander mentioned earlier and regain control of it that way.
You know, okay, yeah, we've admitted it.
Now we can be trusted.
Here we go.
Right, right, right.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, it is fascinating because when we see characters like former deputy director of the CIA, Bobby Inman, And we see characters like Jim Semivan and Ron Pandolfi, all major CIA figures.
What does that tell us?
Exactly.
Well, the other thing about Inman is we have to look at his connections because Inman is not only a former deputy director of the CIA, he's the former director of ONI, Office of Naval Intelligence.
And then, of course, he quits these intelligence roles ostensibly and then goes to work for SAIC, which is up to its earlobes.
Black projects and intelligence and everything else.
So, you know, again, Inman, I hate to say it and I hate to be this cynical, but I have to agree with Alexandra.
You know, I'm cynical whenever I see all of these people from the government coming out and revealing stuff to us.
Like she says, it seems like a distraction.
So, what are they really distracting us from?
Right.
Well, how different is this, Alexandra?
You recall the Stephen Greer.
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Press conferences where he got these people together, the disclosure press conferences of 2003.
And they were all high level military people who had different claims about having been involved with UFOs and so on.
And that's one kind of a thing.
Now, give me the contrast between that, which happened close to 15 years ago, this, which is just like a marketing project with a CIA puppet in the middle.
It was Grant Cameron, the Canadian ufologist, who.
And I use that term this time with a lot of respect.
I think Greg Cameron has done amazing work.
He's doing great stuff on this.
Of DeLong.
And he makes a huge equation between the two between Stephen Greer and Tom DeLong as assets, as people who are being used by whatever the secret space program to do the limited hangout that Joseph Barrell is talking about.
And they both have similar personality traits.
They're both sort of egotistical and think that they can do no wrong, but have vast limitations and probably are controllable.
And so, those are the similarities that Grant says that on a purely on how they're being used, you know, and the personality traits being very similar.
And I guess that those are the kinds of people that are used.
Alexander, you raised something very interesting, which is is it possible that the entire New York Times, UFO, Harry Reid, Robert Bigelow, DeLong effort is an attempt to discredit?
The entire notion of UFOs.
It could be because, you know, once somebody comes out showing that that's a video from a training session and was composited or faked as a training, as a simulation exercise, it's gonna, yeah, it's gonna tank the whole credibility of everything that Tom DeLong is doing.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And in effect, you know, he's come along and he said, oh, yeah, they showed me cool stuff and all the rest of it.
When the time comes, they could just leave the marketing campaign.
They've done their data mining and they leave behind this weird Patsy who's an ex 182 singer.
Right.
But I mean, it also really would show up Elizondo as being, well, the counterintelligence guy that he is because the footage is fake.
It would.
And I want to read this.
This is Elizondo's bio on the Academy to the Stars.
And I want to say a few things about Elizondo because he really was the front man, he was the one that they put out answering the questions.
And over and over again, he came up with these contradictory answers, and no one called him on it.
And so many people in the UFO field were like, you know, oh, it's great.
We're going to have, you know, some kind of disclosure, et cetera, et cetera.
And they left all these complete holes.
These brilliant journalists did not pursue the real questions.
And they put up with the most trite kind of like, oh, well, we can't reveal that for secrecy.
I can't tell you guys, that kind of thing.
And to the point of ridiculousness, you know, where, you know, and I have great respect for people who are in the field who do this work because it hasn't been very rewarding for them.
In a number of ways.
And when you look at some of the real classic people like Knapp and like Kane, who they have sucked into this project, you understand.
But at the same time, those people have to understand that CIA disclosure is not something that we signed up for.
And we don't want a CIA program, and we don't want them to be bedazzled by the press and the CIA as some kind of intelligence marketing op to get this out there.
And I think that's a legitimate stance to do it while still respecting their work.
Okay, Elizondo's bio.
Now, interesting title here, Joseph.
I want you to really tell me what this title means.
For Academy to the Stars, which is a private corporation.
He's the director of global security and special programs.
Oh, in the CIA.
This is for the corporation?
Yeah, now here's his bio.
For the corporation, he's the director of global security.
So I guess they're planning on securing the globe, I guess, if that's his job.
All right, let's start this.
Luis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer.
Okay, he's career CIA, but his experience includes working with the U.S. Army, Department of Defense, National Counterintelligence Executive.
Bingo.
Yeah, that's it.
That's where I stopped, too, actually.
I could keep going here.
Bingo.
Well, the moment you say global security for a corporation and then counterintelligence, what that's telling me is that he's there to control the narrative.
And by.
This is really rather ingenious because if you go back, I mentioned earlier the so called Cooper Cantwheel set of Magic 12 documents.
And I'm kind of with Stanton Friedman here.
The bulk of them I put in my gray basket because we don't know really that much about their provenance.
And there's enough information in them that appears to be legitimate that whoever's behind it is somehow connected.
It's like the QAnon material, again.
There's enough legitimate to get you to buy into the package.
And buy the whole thing.
And global security for a corporation tells me that, yes, this is how they want to control the narrative because what they're doing is they're corporatizing it and therefore privatizing it and therefore making any talk about it a proprietary matter.
Yeah, oh, that's not only a way to keep secrets, that's a way to enforce the secrecy by bringing people, hauling them into court.
You're violating our corporate.
Our corporate intellectual property and copyright and patent and so on and so forth.
Absolutely.
So, this I think is the big move behind all this.
This is an effort to regain control of the narrative precisely by making it intellectual property, which is, of course, part of another pattern that you see going on here.
And that pattern, Daniel, is the pattern of whistleblowers versus researchers.
I'm a researcher.
I'm not, you know, I.
I rely very, very little on whistleblowers.
And I've had them approach me and offer me, you know, we'll let you in on government secrets.
Just please tell our story.
And I don't do that because I think you have to make your case and argue your case from publicly available sources, whatever case you may be wanting to argue.
And that's the way you achieve some headway in all of this rather than relying on whistleblowers and stories.
So, this is a part of the pattern that we see going on with the corporations.
We've got a bunch of whistleblowers associated with the corporation.
So, really, how much whistleblowing is there really going on here rather than trumping up the stock portfolio and profile?
So, that's a part of the program.
I think that's a deliberate bit of social engineering that's taking place.
So, yeah, this is what it's looking like to me a big corporately based counterintelligence operation.
I can't see it in any other way.
And the timing of it, Daniel, is also what has bothered me.
All of this stuff happens after those two secret space program conferences, the one that you hosted in Bastrop and then the one the previous year in San Mateo, California, where the organizers of the conference, when they were in touch with me and Catherine Fitz and some of the other people that eventually ended up speaking at it, we insisted that the same old names.
Not be there.
And we also insisted that the rostrum of speakers be researchers rather than whistleblowers.
So, in other words, from the standpoint of the powers that be, these two conferences were number one, they were remaking the conference culture.
And number two, none of the speakers were beholden to the powers that be.
So, you were getting a really independent look at things.
And I think that's why those conferences were so successful.
They weren't the run of the mill stuff.
I think to a certain extent, therefore, that what we're looking at with all of these marketing schemes is a response to those things and an attempt to regain control of the narrative.
Wow.
It is fascinating because you see that super effort come right into 2015.
That's when they launch Corey Goode.
That's when they get all this Gaia stuff going.
Right.
It's fascinating actually because there were a good deal of people who were pushing for the Gaia.
Proud to be involved in the 2015 launch.
That's right.
And so, with the organization, Global BEM wouldn't go for it.
And they take a little heat for not doing that.
Now, what I found interesting in bringing that up actually is what were the main points that were being brought out in those conferences?
Well, there's what Catherine Fitz has brought up recently, which is the missing trillions.
Right.
You talked all about the missing money.
You talked about really deep aspects around the space program, really deep aspects around.
The idea of what we're dealing with when people say something is ET, they're going way beyond the bounds of what they know, that there's a number of different possibilities that are going on.
And a lot of other interesting things, too, including the cosmic war stuff.
So you see a whole history there.
And we probably had 2014 would be Richard Dillon talking about the breakaway civilization.
Right.
And then you had the incredible work of Alexandra, you'll remember.
The scientist who says that we had a nuclear thing happen on Mars?
John Brandenburg.
That's it.
Brandenburg.
So, I mean, incredible.
You're going to leave these conferences, right?
And you have this whole kind of different.
I remember when we did the final one, I had Linda Moulton Howe and you and Catherine Fitz.
And we were talking there at the end and we were going into things and really sorting them out from the Phoenix lights to a lot of these different things that had happened around the field.
And really, this is the foundation of the secret space program.
I mean, we had the Gary McKinnon material that gave us the real setup.
But then the secret space thing got hijacked as kind of like a circus act.
Right.
So that is a real signature of the kind of marketing that you can get happening to discredit a space that's getting somewhere.
Right, exactly.
It was a counterintelligence operation.
And this is exactly as Alexandra says.
They're now going to try and regard it as intellectual property.
Good luck to them because it's going to fail.
But I think in the long term, this is their goal.
You mentioned the selling of shares with credit cards and so on.
They're facing some SEC potential problems.
And I emphasize potential.
But this is what it looks like to me.
They're trying to regain control of the narrative.
They're waging this epistemological warfare with the QAnon material, the blue chickens stuff, and all of that.
They're trying to muddy the waters to the point to get people to trust them again when they come out with their, you know, I think they probably have a narrative in the wings that they're going to trot out at some future date.
And I would be very skeptical of it for that reason.
No question.
And do you remember this commercial that came out when it was the The Pepsi commercial that came out to start 2016.
Yes.
It was fascinating because it was a movie and they got some high level people involved, a major director, some major actors, and it was all about this Tesla Black Knight satellite rolling into the atmosphere.
And it was really, and they even tied it to Samaria and kind of like an Anunnaki type thing.
Alexander, do you remember that?
I only remember people remarking on it because I don't watch the television.
Well, I know you're a YouTube fanatic, and certainly they were playing it there, but I was so fascinated by it.
And, you know, they were running those incredible commercials with these military contractors during the Super Bowl.
And, of course, I love this military contractor thing, you know, when they run these ads during Meet the Press and stuff, and you think, you know, the average person, consumer is not going to buy a bank.
You know, why are they doing this?
So it's kind of very strange, really, when you think about it, because, you know, that's some kind of a payoff going on when.
You have Lockheed Martin paying for commercials.
It's very odd.
But I think it does lead us into this conversation now because the op that really has tried to pull it all together is the Tom DeLong op.
And I think that they've had real problems, incredible problems.
The rollout was terrible.
Suddenly, it's surrounded by a bunch of CIA guys.
That didn't play too well with the UFO people who are bred on information and details that tell them that the CIA has obscured the truth on that and may have killed for it for 70, 80 years.
So, you know, certainly that was odd.
And then what struck me immediately as odd about the long thing, and I really want to get into this, is they got into this idea that he was saying, oh, if people only knew what heroes these guys are, then this whole thing would be different.
And they're heroes.
And they asked him, well, why are they heroes?
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And he said, because they're fighting demons.
I'm going to tell you something very odd about this, because Harry Reid, in his conversation with George Knapp, which was the really kind of hardcore interview he gave on this program, and he didn't reveal much, let me tell you.
Except to say, you know, and he was tweeting out the truth is out there.
So I'm not kidding.
But he said, oh, yes, you know, George Knapp asked him, well, was there a concern here about, like, you know, Satanism involved with these craft?
And Harry Reid was like, oh, yes, most definitely.
You know, they were concerned about Satanism.
What?
Yeah.
That's not surprising to me.
Mm hmm.
As you know, Jacques Valet, Dr. Valet, Right in, I would say, kind of in the middle of his ufology career, he began to investigate the esoteric and occult aspects of the phenomenon.
Passport to Magonia being his most famous book where he does this.
And there have been academic studies.
University of New York did a study of this and even published a book on it about the UFO religion and so on and so forth.
So there have been.
Approaches to this.
I even suggested it myself, aspects of it in the Bastrip conference.
It's not surprising to me that they're saying these things.
The problem here is, as far as I can tell, Daniel, is that they're not arguing a case.
They're simply asserting something.
And they're providing little snippets of so called information to establish trust in the narrative that they're trying to establish.
And they're not arguing the case.
If they were going to try and argue that case, then yeah, bring in someone like Jacques Valet.
Bring in Nick Redfern.
Nick Redfern has a book out called Final Events, where this is essentially the whole thrust and theme of the book is that this is somehow a spiritual phenomenon of evil that they're fighting.
But again, there's no argument.
It's just a narrative that they're putting out there, and we've got to accept it.
And my response to that is horse pucky, we do.
Let's have some argument for the case.
Right.
And I also wondered if, you know, in 1962, they did a major study on behalf of the government to see the impact of the ET reality would have on the public and, you know, how it would influence our institutions and everything else.
But as we know, Catherine Fitz talked about a Navy think tank that tried to invite her in for the same reason.
So they were still working on this problem.
And that was in 1998.
Right.
The first one is the Brookings Institute study.
So, what I find interesting is this.
You get into the situation where maybe they've figured out hmm, the biggest problem that we will have in representing the UFO reality to the public is the Christian and other religious people who have a strong sense of their religion, strong Christianity, strong Muslim, whatever it would happen to be.
They would be the most difficult.
And that presenting this idea of the aliens as demons, they may have come around that problem.
Mm hmm.
Well, yeah, you know, I spent a lot of time in my book, Covert Wars and Clash of Civilizations, looking at the Brookings Report itself and what it actually said.
One of the things that amazed me about it was it was talking right there in the late 1950s, early 60s of things like magnetohydrodynamic drive technology.
You know, it was listing all of these technologies that, you know, sound like straight out of Buck Rogers.
Right.
And doing so with a straight face and being very serious about it.
So, in other words, part of the Brookings report looked to me like it was being designed to answer the question eventually these technologies are going to come along.
It's kind of a backhanded admission that, yeah, we're already investigating these things.
So, how do we introduce it into society without causing massive major upheaval?
Well, ET is handy.
Right, right.
You know, the whole crashed reverse engineered flying saucer meme.
I get all the time.
This is what the Nazis were doing.
Well, show me the proof that that's what they were doing.
Argue the case.
But the other part of the problem is I'm a fairly traditional Christian thinker, in that my background with Anglicanism and Eastern Orthodoxy, I'm familiar with what those theologians have been saying for centuries.
And it has never bothered me about the idea that there's some other.
Different form of life out there.
This is part of the Christian tradition, it's part of the Jewish tradition, it's part of the Muslim tradition.
The problem that they had is that in those traditions, it's acknowledged that you have two different moral classes of other types of beings.
You've got good ones and you've got bad ones.
How do you tell them apart?
And this is where this narrative, I think, is falling down again because they're just saying, well, you know, these people are heroes, they're fighting demons.
Well, how do we know they're fighting demons?
How do we know they're fighting at all, number one?
And number two, how do we know that we're on the good side and they're on the bad side?
No argument whatsoever is being offered.
So, again, this is, I think, an effort, like she says, like Alexander said, number one, they want to make this intellectual property and control the narrative.
Well, you know, a nice way to do that is a corporation.
Another nice way to do that is through a church.
Yes, okay.
Take your pick.
So, you know, And it's interesting that I mentioned that, and I mentioned it only half humorously.
Because what did you also see as part of this big marketing campaign?
You saw the current Marxist Pope, whatever he is, making all of these sermons.
You know, okay, it's okay to baptize Martians.
Yes.
Yes.
And so on and so forth.
So, yeah, there's the infallible stamp of approval on some of the narrative.
Yeah, Monsignor, what was his name?
Balducci or something.
Yeah, Balducci.
He's no longer with us, but as far back as the 90s, he was already being a spokesperson for the church and the Vatican, saying, you know, God is great, and of course there are other forms of life, and they are part of God's creation, and yeah, we baptize them or whatever.
Sure, exactly.
Exactly.
So, yeah, you know, they're putting out narratives, Daniel, and they're not giving us any argued case for why we should adopt the narrative.
In other words, they're falling very, very short of Jacques.
Valet's standards in Passport of Magonia, where he's attempting to argue a case.
And even Nick Redfern in his book, which is essentially based on whistleblower testimony, well, he's trying to ferret out what really is going on here.
In other words, he's not simply trying to repeat a whistleblower testimony, he's actually trying to investigate and find out if all of this is true.
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So, again, I'm with Alexander.
I'm cynical and skeptical.
Of all of this material for all of the above reasons.
It could have been done much better.
I think to a certain extent, this is why DeLong did reach out to researchers in the field, Lavenda, me, other people, to bring them in because they knew they needed that kind of quality to the material that otherwise it wouldn't have.
Well, non institutional credibility.
Right, exactly.
It's essential.
You know, it's like the good housekeeping seal of approval or, you know, underwriter's laboratory.
You know, they needed something to get that and they haven't got it.
That's the problem.
Fascinating.
You know, and it's really a good point.
You do bring up there that you did have conversations with DeLong.
Sure.
DeLong was talking about you publicly as early as 2015.
I found an article where he was going into your material.
Now, I do feel, and, you know, this is.
Public, the part that you've talked about with him approaching you to write a book.
I do feel that when he approached you, he thought you were one thing.
And by the time he dealt with you a little bit, he understood, oh, basically, this guy's not going to play along.
And that you had to.
Perhaps.
Yeah.
And could you tell us a little bit about that?
Well, he originally approached me in, I think it was 2015.
And he told me about his project.
He sent me a copy of his first novel.
Which he very kindly signed for me, and I read it.
He sent some other materials, and we had a couple of phone call conversations, some rather lengthy, where he was telling me about his project.
And I indicated to him at the time that, you know, no, I'm not automatically opposed to people in the government investigating UFOs.
You know, they're not all bad.
They can't.
And I told him, you know, if you want me to write kind of a summary, which was.
What I was getting from the conversations of this material from the government's point of view, I'm perfectly happy to do that, but I've got to have the material that you're privy to in order to do that.
So I put the ball in his court and I told him, you know, I've got a window of about three to six months here of opportunity.
I'm between books so that I can do it in this time period, but I've got to have something to work with.
So I put the ball in his court and I never heard back from him.
So, you know, take that for what it is.
Now, maybe he concluded I'm really not on board.
I did tell him that, you know, make sure that you understand or that the people that you're talking to understand that you're considering bringing me in on the project and make sure it's okay with them.
And maybe they told him no.
I don't know.
You know, I simply don't know.
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It's fascinating.
I always felt it was due to the fact that you weren't worshiping at the Hillary altar.
I thought that might have something to do with it.
Well, that may be too.
Yeah.
I certainly was not worshiping at the Hillary altar.
When Podesta showed up in the middle of all that.
Yeah, when he showed up in the middle of the email release, I thought, boy, Farrell, did you dodge the magic bullet on that one?
Pristine.
Yeah, the pristine magic bullet.
Which also turned up in Rudolph's house, but hey, that's another story.
Oh, yes.
And I should tell everyone that.
This incredible book that you have out now is about Rudolf Hess and Antarctica, and it is fascinating.
And we have an interview that we're putting together on that, and it will be out by the end of the month.
So, oh, cool.
Excellent.
That's something that's really incredible.
But I do want to say this in relation to all this, though, because let's say Tom DeLong comes around and he has some serious money and some serious clout, and he says, I'm doing this PR thing.
And people who would get involved, like Wesley Kane or George Knapp or whoever, I mean, Bigelow probably got Knapp involved, and apparently Harry Reid and Knapp have been friends for years.
So they, You know, that's all one big club over there.
So he probably just thinks of them as good sources, good friends, whatever.
My point is not that, certainly not that the authors have any accountability, that they somehow are sacrificing their principles.
I think what's happening though is that they're being lured into this idea that if they're a fly on the wall and if, you know, they'll come in and they'll get this information and that they'll bring the field further by doing this.
And by the way, it pays pretty well too.
And I think there's a big difference.
You know, when they run across somebody like you, they know they're going to get to a point down that level where it's not going to work because you're working on a certain set of principles around the work that you do.
And I think it's kind of tricky because the authors involved that they've involved.
Now, remember, I do want to make this clear to everyone.
The DeLong Group, Academy to the Stars, they are the ones who thrust all the CIA people at us in the independent research field.
So I am definitely highlighting the aspects that relate to an Intel marketing psyop, if you want to call it, an operation.
Because that's the approach that they took.
They decided to rifle a bunch of CIA people down our throat.
Well, guess what?
We're putting our hands up and we're saying, no way.
I think that's important.
So there are going to be people who are involved with it who are good, and they're going to be able to.
Exactly.
I don't think anybody that I can tell that's involved with the project, at least at DeLong's level or Peter Lavenda or anybody else, that they have bad intentions or bad morals or anything of the sort.
I don't think that at all.
But the CIA program.
Right.
That's the problem.
This is it.
And we're right at the very heart of it.
When they go into the New York Times and they go into the New York Times with respected UFO journalists like Leslie Kane, they're trying to cross that Rubicon and have us all fold into their program.
And then we thought with problematic footage that's.
Bingo.
The minute anyone really takes a hard look at it, it's going to possibly debunk the whole thing.
Well, Elizondo, let's talk about this for a minute.
Elizondo's story.
And that gets us to the footage.
Elzando's story, which is, oh, the program was secret, not secret.
Oh, so was it classified?
No, but it was secret, but it wasn't really secret.
This is how, this is the psychological warfare mind operating in there.
This is what he does for a living.
So when he comes out and he says that, these Fox News people who are uncomfortable talking about UFOs anyway, you know, they probably have to take a cold shower when they go home afterwards.
You know, we get into these situations where.
They'll just let him run off.
And he says, We are definitely not alone.
This is what I came to.
Oh, where did you get the footage from?
That would be a nice question, wouldn't it?
Why don't they ask him where he got the footage?
This is the odd thing about this whole story.
They said now inside that camp of DeLong that the actual trail between where the footage came from and how it came to come out through Elizondo will never be revealed.
Now, here's an interesting thing that happened, which is, yeah, right.
Yeah, imagine going to trial.
Your Honor, we have this evidence, but we can't present you the provenance.
Right.
Exactly.
Very, very crappy.
Yeah.
There's no chain of evidence for where it came from.
Now, Department of Defense, okay, this is very interesting.
Okay, when it comes out, Academy to the Stars says, here's this footage.
You know, we somehow managed to get it.
New York Times says, Department of Defense.
People follow up with the Department of Defense and they say, Oh, there was never a program like that.
I think you're misunderstanding things.
Then it came up, Well, how did Elizondo get the footage?
It was suggested that it was some kind of a training video that he took with him when he left work.
Okay, classified data.
All right.
So, you know, it gets worse and worse.
Elizondo, you know, what he says is interesting.
You know, they ask him questions, and he says, Well, I can't comment on any classified projects, and also I can't comment on things that are happening inside there now because I don't work for the government anymore.
But I can tell you that I was associated with this program, AATIP, Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program.
Threat, threat, threat.
Everywhere you went with that story, it was threat, threat, threat.
UFOs and threat, UFOs and threat.
Here we go.
Yeah, that's the marketing.
That is the marketing.
It's the retread of UFOs.
It's now they're called Advanced Aerial Threats.
Yes.
And it's UAP, right?
Now, this is the interesting thing.
So, this is exactly what Carol Rosin was talking about.
They're marketing the new.
Okay, they got there, stopped funding ISIS, they stopped doing the rogue states thing.
Now it's time to do the alien invasion thing, right?
Right, and it is interesting.
Um, well, what she brought up, I think, was fascinating because she worked so closely with Von Braun.
I think we have to hear it out, really, because it is fascinating and it seems to have come to pass.
No question about it.
Um, okay, I'm going to stop for a minute because I want to ask Olivia if she's getting ready for questions.
We're going to take some questions coming up here.
And so, you know, in about 10, 15 minutes or so.
But if people want to give Olivia those questions, they got to be in caps.
And somebody jumped the gun there on it.
They're going to be in caps, and we'll get to your questions.
And it's great, by the way.
It's a fantastic turnout.
It's great to have everyone here.
So thank you very much.
And one thing, you know, I have to say, Joseph, that when I think about threat, I go back in my mind to Star Wars and SDI Star Wars and Reagan, which we know Zuma came up recently using the same name.
President Zuma used the same name, Strategic Defense Initiative.
Now, when we go into that period, who's the odd man out who told us some things and really took some heat for it?
And that's Philip Corso.
Yes.
And you've said something relating to that, which is that you felt the UFO sort of field gave him kind of short shrift for the things that he was telling us.
Yeah, I did.
I talk about him primarily in my book called Roswell and the Reich.
Corso is a very, very odd duck indeed in this whole UFO story because he is disconcertingly and deliberately ambivalent at so many crucial places in his book, The Day After Roswell.
One of the biggest ambivalences that you'll notice is every time he starts talking about the ET threat.
In the very next breath, he starts talking about Nazis.
And oftentimes it's even in the same sentence.
You know, we'll start out with ET and then all of a sudden we end up in the Rhineland.
You know, it's just very bizarre.
But one of the things that he said was that, yeah, we have been in some sort of active covert shooting war with these things, and that by the late 1980s we managed more or less to stalemate them.
And he also even went so far as to suggest that the whole policy of Mutually assured destruction between the United States and the Soviet Union was really a kind of jointly agreed upon policy that both sides would make so many hydrogen bombs that if one side was invaded,
the other side had the capability just through sheer numbers of deliverable bombs to take them out, which is certainly an interesting spin on the whole scenario.
When you really get right down to it, you can't really so easily dismiss.
I've, insofar as I've ever thought about the ET question, I'm kind of in the hostile camp.
Which brings up Carol Rosen, because she was invited, as you know, to the 2014 Secret Space Program Conference.
And she actually contacted me and asked me if I thought that she would fit because so many people there were not in tune with her message.
And I said, that is exactly the sort of.
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Perspective that we need to balance things out at that conference.
Because again, you have to argue to the position that if there's an ET threat, is it hostile?
Is it friendly?
Is it both?
Is it neither?
And people need to be aware of that.
So, I'm getting a little feedback, Daniel.
Yes, I'm sorry about that.
Walter Bosley is here.
I see that.
Hey, Walter.
Because again, Walter, I think your audio might be on.
Is that possible?
Oh, his audio is feeding back for whatever reason.
My video isn't feeding into this thing.
No, no, you're fine.
Yeah, sure.
You're just fine.
Yeah, I can see you.
Yeah.
We're all.
Does the audio sound better?
Because it sounds better on my end.
There you go.
Now.
There you go.
Welcome, Walter.
It's great to see you.
Hi, Walter.
Sorry, I'm late.
Walter, we have.
Sorry, I'm late.
We have an all star cast, as you can see.
And I'm so glad that you came in right now because we have been discussing.
All the things about the To the Stars Academy, Academy to the Stars, and the interesting points leading around it.
And I've gone into this whole phase about the last three months and the big push.
What I see is a kind of disinformation surge coming from all these different areas.
And this point that we have with the To the Stars Academy, Academy to the Stars, they seem to be kind of at the epicenter as of December 16th, putting out this story.
So You have made some incredible observations about Louis Elizondo, and I'm going to get right to them right off the bat.
By the way, I do want to point out that to everyone that Walter was in Mirage Men and does an excellent job of describing how disinformation works in that film.
I recommend everyone watch it.
And two, his Empire of the Wheel book series is fascinating.
And we're going to do a more full one on one with Walter at some point.
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But if we can go into Elizondo and something that you describe, which is that.
What would be his role now that he says he's out?
There's some kind of a place which is almost like this shadowy nether world right in between being in and being out.
Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for letting me join in.
I'm sorry I'm late.
I hope I didn't interrupt Joseph in mid there.
I'm going to follow up on that.
No worries.
Yes, there is the contract world.
In which you can be operational.
A lot of people make hay of, well, Elizondo's retired now, and so he's going to share all the stuff he wants to share.
And, you know, I'm not the first guy to say it.
You just don't do that.
You just don't come out and share a whole bunch of stuff and say, well, I got to cherry pick.
There's some things I can't share, but everything else I'm going to talk about.
You don't do that.
You don't talk about the program you were in.
You.
If anything, the phrase lie, deny, and counter accuse is most often associated with the CIA.
And the lie part of it, you deny.
If somebody asks you, did you work for the CIA?
And you were operational, you weren't some card carrying person who was going to the office every day and an admin or something.
You don't admit that.
You laugh it off.
You just don't.
So I had trouble with him getting pumped up as what he is presenting himself to be, and people were accepting it.
Now, what I mean by that is he.
You know, yes, he retired from CIA.
Yes, he was, you know, case officer with whatever he did.
He's not lying about his career.
What he might be doing is, if he's operational, yeah, that's not telling the truth.
But you got to understand in the mindset when you're in that, it's not really a lie like a bad lie.
It's you're supporting your cover, you're telling your cover story, you're using what's called the word legend.
It's a legend that you work out or has been worked out for you that is your cover story.
And that's not the same thing as a lie.
Is it not true?
Is it technically a lie?
Yes, it's a lie, but it's operational.
You're working, you're on the job.
And so in your psyche, it's not like you're telling, you know, the wrong kind of immoral lie.
Right.
The part that's not true is that he worked in the positions that it was curriculum vitae, right?
But the part that's not true is the details.
That he's revealing, like this spurious footage.
Right.
And a quick thing here that I'm giving a note from Olivia about the audio with Walter.
She suggests, Walter, that you turn your audio down a little bit, and that will get the best, clearest signal from you if your audio is a little bit down.
How's this?
That's better.
That's better, definitely.
Okay.
Yes.
And I do think that the point that you're making is fantastic, which is he has to be somebody who.
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If you're looking at him, we have to look at a few scenarios about who this person is.
He is counterintelligence.
He did answer to James Clapper.
And so when he's coming out and joining this in the role, Alexander made this excellent observation, which is the first thing they rolled out about him was this photograph.
And it was this photograph in a cafe looking so deep and troubled by everything.
And the tagline with him was disgruntled X. CIA officer comes out and reveals the truth about UFOs.
And then we came forward and said, well, you know, the program ended in 2012, so he hangs out frustrated for five years, and then they take a picture and he comes out.
So there's something a little bit lacking in that explanation, let's face it.
So when we look at somebody like Elizondo and you with your OSI background, having been around this type of thing, how do you see it?
I can't help but suspect there's a perception management operation going on.
Now, whether it is to deflect attention, as others have said, what's really going on technologically within DOD, or deflect attention from a specific operation or program.
Greg Bishop said something recently that when you're seeing something, a UFO or something strange, turn around and look behind you, see if there's something else going on, because that Thing you're seeing might be, you know, they're doing the sleight of hand.
They're trying to get you to pay attention to that.
And I can't help but suspect, saying for sure, none of us here, even those of us with experience, can say for sure that this is a perception management operation.
But from my experience perspective on that, I suspect what this is.
Now, what perception they're trying to manage, you know, there could be multiple objectives in such an operation.
It could be to deflect attention from an actual thing going on, while at the same time doing that classic.
You know, Brookings Institute kind of thing where we'll react to this.
Let's see how excited they get.
Or a third objective would be let's plug in and inject what we want in the mix.
And I agree with Joseph about what happened to the secret space program field last year, it was hijacked.
And that could very well be one of the other objectives.
In other words, keep us off the truth, whatever the truth may be.
Right, because if you're getting close to that, you're getting close to the money and you're getting close to the UFO file.
And Joseph, when we get close to that secrecy around the UFO file, we've seen in the case of JFK when he got close in with that, they saw him approaching that area of things.
It's not only material relating to an extraterrestrial force, theoretically.
It's also possibly relating to an extraterritorial force, which is something that you point out.
Yeah.
There's two aspects of that, I think, that are crucial.
If you're getting close to UFOs, UFO technology, and by parity of reasoning, the human attempts to emulate that technology, then you're getting close to the whole Black Project's infrastructure.
And by infrastructure, I'm not talking simply about the scientists, about the Facilities, I'm talking about the funding mechanism for it, which I've been arguing for a number of years had to have been set up as a completely off the books, not even the black budget.
In other words, I'm talking about something much deeper and directly in the hands of the National Security Council, of the intelligence establishment.
So you're getting close to a funding mechanism that in itself is going to be very revealing should you learn any of the major components of it.
And then The other thing I think is a crucial part of all of this, and again, you know, ufology tends to ignore this, but from my standpoint, looking at, and Walter's looked at a similar aspect of this problem, is that you're dealing with a Black Project's world that really is very, very old.
In Walter's case, from the 19th century, in my case, from at least World War II, and you have a group of people that are pursuing these technologies off the books, and they become essentially, as Richard Dolan Argued, they become essentially a non territorial or extraterritorial state, a breakaway civilization with access to technologies far in excess of what we have.
And I think his choice of words there is very accurate and apt because if you have possession of those types of things, you do constitute yourself as a civilization.
In other words, they will affect your policy making decision processes, they will affect the kind of culture that you are in.
And that you reflect.
So you're dealing really kind of with a different culture.
So, yeah, JFK, I think he comes along partly wittily and partly unwittingly when he threatens to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces.
What he knows in part that he's doing is he's taking aim at this whole operational infrastructure, this whole complex.
I don't think he realizes that at the time it's tied into secret finance and some of these other things that he's also wrestling with.
He doesn't see that it's all kind of connected.
But I do think he was at least partially witting in directing his ire at that structure.
Wow.
It is fascinating.
And, well, Alexandra, so when we look at it from this perspective of the black projects running the show for so long, at least 70 years, is the UFO aspect the missing piece to history then?
Well, yeah.
And as much as.
A huge part of what the black projects are all about has to do with that.
It has to do with that issue.
And, you know, I wanted to ask Walter about this because this is a horrible story that's come out about this family in a suburb of Los Angeles, the Turpin family, where the father worked at Lockheed Martin and at Northrop Grumman, and the children have all been shackled to their beds.
It really sounds like classic MKUltra, you know, trauma based mind control.
That we've heard of that's associated with the CIA and sometimes with maybe these defense contractors.
I was wondering, Walter, what your reflections on this story are.
Because we've been talking about Northrop Grumman kind of all night and around about them.
You're right, right.
And the father worked there.
How did that strike you, Walter?
Well, I don't know yet what specifically their jobs were, where they worked.
That would be, do you guys know?
I don't happen to know that.
There's no information that's, I've tried looking online and, well, this guy seems to have been very good at covering his tracks, you know, so far.
See, that's interesting to me that that's not easily accessible.
Usually they would say something like, you know, an IT tech and his wife, you know, from Lockheed Martin or whatever.
They would identify what they do.
The fact that that's not jumping out says one of two things to me.
Number one, you know, somebody's wanting to protect, you know, Lockheed Martin's reputation because ostensibly they had nothing to do with this, but then on the other hand, okay, if that's not jumping out, what was this guy doing?
Was he some type of engineer?
You know, that's all they said.
He's an engineer, and Northrop did come out and say, Claims are very troubling to us.
We, you know, we're very upset about these claims, but he hasn't there since 2011, so that was a long time ago.
But he worked at both of them as an engineer, and that's that's very interesting.
And the fact that it came out after all these years of That the oldest child is 29 and looks like a teenager.
How many there were, 13, right?
13 of them, yeah.
29 to 2 years old.
May I interject something here?
Go for it.
That, with respect to her question and all of this wider marketing scheme, this is, I think, a very disturbing story, Alexandra, because it appears to me to be a fundamental contradiction in the narrative that they're trying to sell.
The narrative being, as we've discussed, the idea that all these people are heroes and they're fighting demons.
Well, if you are involved with people that are into things like spirit cooking, you know, I'm referring to the Podesta emails.
How is it then that we find this activity perhaps as a pattern associated with some of these deep black projects?
You know, and I'm thinking all the way back to the allegations about Dulcie, you know, which is a story I don't subscribe to, but those allegations have been out there.
In as a kind of a meme in the ufology community, well, how can we then qualify these people as heroes if we see this pattern out there?
Number one, and number two, how can we qualify them as heroes when we're involved with people who have some pretty shady allegations about them, you know, that emerged during the last election season?
This is a part of the narrative that makes no sense to me.
Um, it's as if they're trying to whitewash all of them, right?
Right, absolutely.
Well, interesting, I want to pop in Northrop Grumman.
Was the company that was working with SpaceX when they lost?
They made the satellite.
Northrop Grumman made the satellite.
That's why I brought it up.
I mean, we've been talking about Northrop all night, basically.
And even there, Alexander, that story puts yet another kind of peculiar spin on that patch that I found over at Mysterious Universe connected to that satellite.
So, yeah, it's getting dodgy.
Joseph, one thing that you shine a great light on is that.
The space program itself seemed to go black in the early 70s.
Yeah.
And now that they're coming out with these private space ventures and so on, have they rounded a curve on something, on the technology, on the relations, on the, you know, force fields, on the quarantine, whatever it happens to be?
Have they figured something out that now they can move forward?
That's the way it looks to me.
And I'm glad you asked that question because.
At Bastrip, you'll recall my first presentation was about the Tower of Babel moment, the quarantine zone, what I call the Versailles template of cosmic relations, et cetera, et cetera, blah, blah, blah.
And if you look at what's been happening in terms of this Bast marketing campaign, I'm not talking simply about Tom DeLong or the Blue Chickens, you know, all of that nonsense.
I'm also talking about the stories that we've been following and tracking.
Over, say, the last decade, Lockheed Martin announces it's got a fusion reactor that can fit on the back of a truck, you know, things like this.
You're right.
You know, the EM drive at NASA, DARPA, all of a sudden, you know, a few years ago, three or four years ago, came out.
DARPA, you know, I like to call it the Diabolically Apocalyptic Research Projects Agency.
That's a mouthful.
It's right on.
That's actually a website member of mine's suggestion.
It was his idea.
But anyway.
You know, DARPA came out a few years ago with the announcement that we want the United States to be warp capable in a century.
You know, that's three or four generations away from us, folks.
They're talking Star Trek.
And then, following DARPA's announcement, NASA, Dr. Harold White at NASA, is heading their proof of concept project because he's the scientist that reworked all the mathematics of Miguel Alcebier, the physicist that published the.
Equations for warp drive back in the late 1990s, and he reworked the equations and said, No, we don't need a mass energy conversion the size of the planet Jupiter, it's much smaller.
Okay, in other words, it's within the range of projected human feasible accomplishment.
So, in other words, we're watching this kind of gradual trickle of information coming out.
And again, I'm going back to the Brookings report, they were talking about all of these technologies.
Decades ago, and what happens when we get them?
How are we going to roll them out?
And I think the easiest way to roll them out, number one, is to do so under the guise of an ET threat.
And at the same time, if they have perfected any of these things, they've got to be worried about that ancient indication of a quarantine zone.
So, how do we work our way around that?
Well, we condition everybody to think of this as all a big threat, and that's how we can weaponize space.
So again, you know, we're kind of back to Carol Rosen and what she said years ago.
So this is all, to me, this is all one big, huge, complex picture.
But in the main, I think all of our analysis here is more or less on track.
This appears to be what they're attempting to do.
They're attempting to control the narrative so they can drive this stuff out.
Yeah.
Bridge money.
Yeah.
Have money go into this pork barrel of alien.
Bingo.
Yeah.
Bingo.
Yeah.
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And that's basically what all the feedback I got when I posted anything about Tom DeLong.
That's what my subscribers all said.
This is just trying to get money for some space war crap.
Yeah.
Wow, fascinating.
We're going to go into questions, but before we do, Walter, this shadow netherworld that Elizondo could be operating in, where he's officially out at CIA, he's officially out of the Pentagon, but he could still be in.
Tell me again now, how does this work?
Based on my knowledge of it, you would be contracted, and that's a good way to support cover if you're working in an operation where they kind of want to put distance between you and the agency.
So if something goes wrong out in the field, say for instance, the hypothetical I'll throw at you, if you're one of these contractors, you know, part of the deal is they go, look.
We would disavow you if something happened and something happens in a city and you're on the run, that kind of thing.
That's part of the reason why we give you a whole pile of money, cash to have on your person so that you can get yourself to the nearest safe city or safe country, that kind of thing.
Buy somebody's cab and hop in and just drive as fast as you can to the Israeli border or whatever the nearest friendly is, depending upon where you're at.
And what that would do if you work under that situation is exactly what I was saying.
It gives them an opportunity to give culpable deniability, say, oh, this person's not ours, because technically they're not.
They're not what's called a staffer in that organization.
And what that also does is give a leeway in operational activity.
There would be things, for instance, that you would do that you could possibly do that staffers would not be allowed to do.
So let me ask you, Walter.
Yeah.
Let me ask you, is it possible then in this whole Corey Good marketing scenario that you can have someone like Elizondo acting as a contractor and his contract isn't directly with the agency?
It's through a cutout, namely the corporation itself, but he's still responsible to the agency.
Is that possible?
That is possible.
Thank you.
It cuts right to the core of the whole thing.
Yeah, it does.
So, give me a scenario, Walter.
Elizondo, they sit him down somewhere and say, look, you're going to come out, you're going to do this operation.
Here's how it's going to play.
What kind of instructions do you have?
Yeah, he's reaching, say, his 25 or 30, 20 years, whatever mark that he's going to retire at.
And, you know, but he still wants to be in the game.
He still, you know, he.
Wants to continue to work and make income.
A lot of this is driven by, you know, you want to make that paycheck.
So you come off staff and they go, look, we're going to have you work in this operation.
And here's what we, you know, they brief you on what you're going to be doing, what your role is in the operation.
And, you know, they say, you'll no longer be a staffer.
You'll be under contract.
You know, you'll be paid through this entity.
And here's what we want you to do.
This is the stuff.
That you will say, this is the stuff that you'll.
It's kind of like what's called passage material in the world of operations, where they create a narrative, and the passage material that he would be dealing in is this false narrative, or this semi false narrative, or this mostly true with just a couple of key dollops of not true stuff that changes everything.
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And, um, uh, You know, this is what he's doing.
And DeLong and the organization, or the public, DeLong and the public, for example, or the public, because I don't know to what extent DeLong might be aware of what's going on, and he could know absolutely nothing.
He could suspect it, but it'd be the I don't want to, you know, just give me the money, let me be famous still kind of reaction.
And, you know, the public, say, would be this target that I'm talking about, and that's who you give the passage material to.
In an operation.
And it, you know, again, this comes back to it could be perception management.
And he would be witting.
In this scenario, Elizondo would be a witting contract employee, of course.
It wouldn't be, he's just an innocent.
By golly, I saw ETs and UFOs and I just want the people to know about it.
That's the level of BS that I do not buy with his story.
And when they spin him like that, I react like Joseph and you guys are.
I just go, come on.
And here's the sad thing.
I know these people, smart people, that are buying this.
I've been in conversations this week, the last few days, where people are saying, No, I really believe he's a sincere guy.
And I've just.
Wow.
Wow.
You know.
In one conversation, I mentioned this earlier, but I want your take on it.
When he talks, he has this very interesting way of communicating where they say, So was the program you were in secret?
And he goes, Well, it was secret.
And then five minutes later, and he says, Well, it wasn't secret.
So it's secret, not secret.
And, you know, it's classified.
No, it's not classified, actually.
It was just under the radar.
So it's secret, not secret again.
What is this language communicating?
What is their, they're kind of leaving themselves room for maneuver.
Is that what's happening here?
This, I think, I'm going to guess here based on experience, this is what we call in the field tap dancing.
And I'm not joking.
We really call that.
It's when you get hit with an unexpected query and the legend that you've been given hasn't been thought out thoroughly enough and you're tap dancing.
You're trying to reach for, oh, well, yeah.
And to me, that's what that is.
Unless, unless.
Is part of the target narrative, the creative narrative that they want to pass, that could have something to do with let's confuse the public.
Let's have them wonder, well, because some people will latch on to him saying it was secret.
Some people will latch on to him saying, well, no, it wasn't really.
And what they'll do is they'll start arguing about, no, no, no, it was secret.
No, no, no, he said it wasn't.
And they'll step back and just smile because they'll say, hey, whatever they're arguing about.
They're not talking about what we don't want them to talk about.
So we're derailing in any way we can.
Remember, these are the guys who develop MKUltra.
And MKUltra isn't just, you know, hypodermics and Tesla coils, we will make you talk or we will make it.
It's very subtle.
I mean, a lot of the methods are very subtle.
And, you know, the thing he's doing, contradicting himself, could totally be a subtle tactic to do just what I said, to just keep the public out there interested in this stuff.
At each other.
It's neuro linguistic programming.
Yeah.
Wow.
It's part of psychic driving, I believe.
That too.
Yeah, exactly.
What are the odds that this person who reports James Clapper directly, who main commander is John Brennan, the Drone King, and has a history of working.
On terrorist activities in the Middle East, that is subverting terrorist activities and in drug wars in South America.
What are the odds that he would end up piloting the lowly UFO desk at the Pentagon?
Well, because the lowly UFO desk is clearly going to be the fake op.
It's fake because the real stuff is the SSB.
Yes.
Wow, well said.
I would agree with that.
Yeah, I think you're spot on, Alexander, because again, the thing that has to be protected is not only the secret space program, it's the funding mechanism for it.
Right.
And you've got so many black projects that, especially if you turn the clock back to the Kennedy era, you've got the Office of Policy Coordination with what's his name?
I forget, worked for Richard Bissell.
You've got all of these things, and part of that is obviously they've got a Coordinate a lot of money.
So, yeah, I think the idea of a lowly UFO desk at the Pentagon, you're really dealing with kind of a liaison manager who's trying to make sure that everybody's on the same page at the same time.
It's just the blue book of our era.
Yes, thank you.
Exactly.
You just read my mind.
Really, think about it.
This has been in their playbook for decades.
And what Alexandra just absolutely, this is just another blue book.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I totally agree with you there, Alexander.
Totally.
Quick flash from Elizondo's bio.
And let's see if we can bring this in.
Another Blue Book00:02:30
Then we're going to take questions.
I know we've been keeping everybody on hold on that, but thank you for hanging in there.
I think the fascinating thing is the discussion that we're getting.
So let's see.
Here's what struck me Lewis's academic background includes microbiology, immunology, Oh, gee, fancy that.
And parasitology.
Oh, my God.
Well, you know, look, you know, I go back to what I said at the Secret Space Program Conference in Bastrop.
If you suspect, let's say you're the national security establishment, you've been dealing with UFOs, you've been dealing with communists, you've been dealing with Nazis and terrorists and everything else, if you suspect that squatting in the middle of all of this confusion, Is some sort of extraterrestrial presence on this planet.
And number two, if you've gone back and you've read those ancient texts where it's very clear they look like us, they walk like us, they smell like us, and so on, then the only way you're going to be able to tell is through genetic analysis.
And the only and biggest way that you might be able to deal with a threat like that is through biological warfare.
So, would it make sense to have somebody like This involved in a UFO project?
You betcha.
Joseph, I'd like to also add that it's also the way to identify who among us are of them.
Right, exactly.
Exactly.
You know, why, you know, the FBI, I think I mentioned it at Bastrop, Walter, that the FBI has recently acquired genetic field sequencing equipment.
So, in other words, you don't have to send off your DNA swab to a laboratory and wait three or four days, you can sequence it right there within an hour in the field.
So, yeah, would that be a way to look for people?
Yeah.
Incredible.
Just incredible.
And for everyone who's here, thank you very much.
It's great to have everyone with us.
Now, you're in the middle of a really interesting dark journalist conversation with Dr. Joseph Farrell.
Alexandra Bruce and Walter Bosley.
Lovecraftian Connections00:08:31
And we are talking about the wave of disinformation and the surge that's come up.
And it started, I identified it when the JFK files started to tumble out, all these strange things started to happen.
The Tom DeLong thing went into full overdrive.
And then I think they started to lose control of that.
And I think specifically that the Academy to the Stars rollout and DeLong's appearance on Joe Rogan really damaged the project.
And I think that.
People like Pandolfi around it felt that it was embarrassing almost.
And that's why I think they turned when the story came out.
And by the way, there was a very interesting little battle between Hal Putoff and Pandolfi.
And Pandolfi, who, like I said, is the top scientist at the CIA, said that Putoff was just pulling some kind of a Scientology op off on the New York Times and it would be all exposed.
And I found that reference to his Scientology, which we know a lot of those remote viewers came out of, very interesting.
Did you have any thoughts on that?
For who?
Me?
I'll take whoever answers first on that one.
Go for it, Joseph.
Well, look, put off, you know, his presence there in that whole board.
There's two people in that whole corporate board that really raised my eyebrows.
Admiral Inman, with his connection to SAIC, because most people are not aware that Inman has at times been part of this limited hangout disclosure thing.
I recall years ago, the American anti gravity site, Tim Ventura ran it at the time, and he talked about a conversation with Admiral Inman.
Where he asked him very directly, well, you know, could some of the things that SAIC be working on include things like anti gravity?
And Admiral Inman, you know, said, yeah, there could be things like that.
So he's one.
The other one is Hal Putoff.
Because as you say, Hal Putoff was involved in the SRI remote viewing project with Ingo Swan and Russell Targ, another physicist.
Hal Putoff has also been involved in.
Let's just say fringe areas of higher dimensional physics.
Again, please don't get me wrong, he's not a fringe scientist.
He's mainstream.
He's very well known.
He's very recognized.
He publishes professional papers all the time.
To have someone like that in your board with all of his strange connections, the Scientology thing and all of this, that's a key indicator to me that.
The occult and esoteric aspects of the UFO phenomena are very much part and parcel of what they've been examining all along.
This goes all the way back to the Nazis.
It goes all the way back.
Walter has published a book about this and the relationship to the 19th century airship mystery.
This is a persistent theme within it that doesn't really get looked at very much.
So, I suspect that what you have there is, again, you place someone on a corporate board, just like Walter says, of corporate management, pardon me, of perception management.
He's there to manage perceptions and make sure it doesn't go into certain areas they don't want looked at too carefully.
You know, it's a key.
To piggyback on what Joseph was saying about this occult thing, what you've got is, you know, we've brought up that funny how the RV stuff came out of guys connected with Scientology.
And who started Scientology but L. Ron Hubbard, who was, you know, a lot of people don't know this, you know, particularly younger people.
He was a very successful pulp writer, among other things.
And that puts him in the same circles of H.P. Lovecraft influence.
But who also was Hubbard associated with?
Jack Parsons.
Jack Parsons linked to Alistair Crowley.
And then you have now this whole theme of what the hell's going on here and what have they encountered?
What's come from space?
That they're worried about really started with Aleister Crowley and his Tutulu issue.
Now, Peter Lavenda talks about this in the Typhon book, and I recommend anyone interested to read it there.
But what's shocking is Lavenda shows the parallels between what Lovecraft wrote in Call of Cthulhu after Crowley had written what he said actually happened about this Tutulu being that, you know, this stuff coming from space.
So This stuff traces back to Aleister Crowley.
I just pulled a thread from present day RV remote viewing that led all the way back to Aleister Crowley and this strange being and race of beings from space.
And here we eerily have all these occult related guys.
I mean, look at Lovecraft.
I think something Lovecraftian indeed is going on here.
Look at all these guys.
That says occult.
That might be the hidden thing.
Let me add to what Walter said.
You have Jack Parsons, of course, is one of the principal founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory within NASA.
And of course, you had the Babylon working that he was involved with at JPL with.
Ron Hubbard and Crowley.
And in addition to all of this, you have Richard Hoagland for decades now, he has been talking about the magicians, the masons, and the Nazis within NASA.
And he points out that what he calls the magician faction, if you will, is deeply connected and seated at JPL.
And he goes so far as to kind of make the case that NASA schedules certain space missions around celestial, big, gigantic, celestial ritual acts of magic.
So, yeah, there's something going on here that we have yet to be able to assemble all the pieces.
But again, Put Off's presence there in that corporation is affirming that aspect of the phenomenon.
And it's also, I think, part of the perception management going on.
So, yeah, the pieces all line up once again with what the vast research community has compiled over the years.
I just think it's fascinating.
I would say that these certain guys we're talking about, their presence in the To the Stars Academy is really somewhere in there is buried to see to it the planted narrative, the false narrative, to see to it that's followed.
Yeah, I agree.
You know, you did mention Cthulhu in there, and Cthulhu often shows up as a dragon.
Am I correct?
Uh huh.
Uh huh.
Well, I've.
He's got the dragon wings and he's got the octopod head.
One thing that you missed coming up here, we were starting off, is Joseph shared some information that we were looking at in relation to this errant satellite that got lost and some of the Templar imagery around the logo that was used.
And for sure, there was a dragon going on in there.
Oh, yeah.
Well, he's definitely got dragon wings.
There, I reposted the link for you, Walter.
You can look at it.
Fantastic.
We're going to bring all this around.
By the way, you guys said so many interesting things in there.
I'm just going to give you a couple of quick follow ups while I still remember them.
One is when you mentioned Bobby Inman, one of the things that I brought out for the HBO special that was about the JFK Files release was a picture of Inman giving the accommodation medal to George Joannidis, who was the person.
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
He's about as deep as CIA as you can get.
No one even knew that he existed.
Reviving Space Council00:12:03
And now there's a major lawsuit to get the records on Joe Annides out.
But that picture speaks a thousand words.
And Joe Annides is reporting to Inman.
So I think that that is really a telling picture says a thousand words.
One of the other things I wanted to point out is when you talk about this and you talk about the threat and you talk about this period, when you go all the way back to when they started the secret financing for the space program and black projects, There's a period when we get into the 80s, and Catherine Fitz likes to point this out, where the Iran Contra funding goes off the charts.
And it's right after Reagan is told there are these huge ships and they seem to be kind of fueling themselves around Saturn's rings and they are gigantic.
And that comes out of the Ringmakers of Saturn book, Norm Bergeron, who came forward with this.
And then out of the blue, they need a ton of money and Iran Contra shows up in the middle of this.
And so we had this revelation that came out this year.
This has been hinted at before, but Gorbachev actually came forward at the press club in New York and said this.
He said that Reagan took him aside at Reykjavik.
When they were alone, and very intensely said to him, Will you help us in the event of an alien invasion?
And that Reagan was dead serious.
And he was sitting there, by the way, Gorbachev with Charlie Rose and Henry Kissinger was in the audience and George Shultz was to his left.
An incredibly uncomfortable moment and an uncomfortable thing to say around these people.
And the whole room just dropped silent and all these people are looking around like, What can we do?
And Gorbachev starts recounting the story and he said, Reagan was absolutely intense and absolutely serious.
And he said, Will you help us with this alien invasion?
And Gorbachev said, Absolutely, of course we will.
And Reagan said, We'll help you too.
Let's not forget President Carter, the story about President Carter.
Ostensibly, when he was briefed about the UFO thing, he broke down and cried.
Yes.
You know, that's another president that probably knows more than he's saying.
Yeah.
And he's just, that seemed like a very Carter kind of thing to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sensitive guy.
And certainly, isn't the story has always been out there and real that he fired Bush because when he asked Bush for information regarding UFOs, Bush said, you don't have a need to know.
Right.
That came from Dan Sheehan.
And I always believed that.
And I think that's just the kind of thing that Bush would do.
Right.
And wouldn't count on Connor to just, Carter would just get rid of him, you know.
And that brings us around to this whole period because I think we went through a period in the 90s where they played with this disclosure thing and it got shut down.
Hardcore.
And then we got that whole decade of terror.
And then for some reason, they decided on different political strata to bring this forward again.
When I was watching, you know, because of course it was Quayle and Bush who created the Space Council and they were going to send men to the moon again and they were going to go back to Mars.
And the Space Council is kind of hung out there like a little project in the back that nobody really wants to talk about.
But I found that if you go back and you look at the footage, you'll see just how important this is.
When Dan Quayle got the The bomb dropped on him by Lloyd Benson.
When Lloyd Benson said, I work with Jack Kennedy, Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.
Just before that, in giving out his credentials, Dan Quayle says, I'm going to head up the Space Council that we're creating.
So they're developing this thing that they're going to do.
That's before they even get in office.
They're already planning it.
I think the Space Council and the fact that Trump reopened the Space Council and that we could be looking at two tracks here because we have Trump reopening the Space Council.
He's working on the Department of Defense audit.
That's something that he came up with.
And these are his responses.
But then there was this leftover plan, and it included Podesta, and it included DeLong, and it included these people that they were going to come in with Hillary and this national security thing.
And she knew all about the UAP, and she talked about it on Jimmy Kimmel and shows like that.
And they were going to roll this thing out.
But instead, Trump got in there, and the people on the inside were like, Should we try to roll it out even though we're not in office?
And a bunch of them said, No way.
But the DeLong people came forward with the Academy to the Stars thing, and they said, We're going to try to roll this story out anyway.
I suspect Trump has, to a certain extent, revived the story himself with the Space Council revival, and I'll tell you why.
I suspect lurking behind that entity is a connection to the now newly formed Space Command.
I suspect that what you're really dealing with there in Trump's case, not necessarily.
The other case, but at least in President Trump's case, is possibly some sort of national security space council equivalent of the National Security Council.
This is what I suspect.
In other words, that this is about a lot more than just figuring out how are we going to go back to the moon, how are we going to go to Mars.
There's a national security aspect with Trump that I don't think was present.
And the reason I think that is, again, you and I have discussed this many times, Walter and I have discussed this, Catherine and I have discussed this.
There were deep state backers to President Trump.
And it's now becoming clear that these were not simply pissed off mafia people.
These were people deep within the military and intelligence communities.
So I suspect that there's an aspect of this that has not yet been revealed.
It may reveal itself, but that's my guess.
Fascinating.
It is fascinating.
And when we look at that, we see that Trump put it together and put Pence in charge of the Space Council.
And who was sitting next to him when they took.
The grand opening photos of reopening the Space Council.
It was Secretary of State.
Tillerson, yep.
Odd member to be there.
A very odd member to be there, but not so odd if this grand scenario that we've been talking about this evening is anywhere close to the truth.
And I suspect it is.
So it's a national security entity, and it's going to have international.
Liaison offices as well.
There's no doubt in my mind.
I think the reason for that, you know, every military campaign needs its staging area.
Exactly.
And we're talking about all these nations going to the moon and Trump wanting to revive us being on the moon and go for Mars.
And Joseph, you know, mentioning the international scope of this, what could be really going on is it's almost showtime, it's almost D Day time.
And all the nations are working together, and we're going to stage from the moon and Mars whatever our answer, resistance, whatever our operation is going to be to whatever that was out beyond Saturn.
Let me add to what Walter has said there because I think you're on to something, my friend.
Because you have all of these announcements of joint space projects the European Space Agency and the Russians, the European Space Agency and the Chinese, the Japanese and the Russians, and The European Space Agency has come out with a proposal to build a space station between the Earth and the Moon, which I find very interesting placement.
It's perfect for staging, and it's also perfect from the sense that it's not something that would be in violation of ancient quarantine zones at the orbit of the Moon, if I can put it that way.
Yeah, they're up to something, and we're getting little dribs and drabs of it.
Wow.
And in the midst of all this, we have the weird stuff going on in Antarctica with the various people down there.
And we have the popes ready to baptize and confirm any of those aliens that might want to become Roman Catholics.
They're not going to miss their opportunity.
And so you can't help but think there's possibly something like this going on.
And after I looked at the photo on that link of that.
That's an actual logo from one of the space mission programs?
That is the logo of the Zuma satellite that was supposedly just lost.
And the Latin, mali nunquem prevailabunt, that means evil shall not prevail.
Oh, folks, come on.
Well, you brought up the pillow.
I mean, you know.
They're putting a dragon and a Templar knight right there on the logo.
A sort of Templar knight, because the Fleur de Lis is not the Templar insignia, but it has its own unique.
Associations.
Yes, it does.
It does.
Exactly.
You've got, let me rephrase it.
You've got a crusading night.
Yeah, you've got a crusading night.
Really think, you know, when we were talking about the staging, you know, Joseph, I'm thinking, well, gosh, in the Fourth Crusade, Constantinople was supposed to be the staging area, and they got a little sidetracked.
You know, the idea was to raid Constantinople itself.
You know, the staging area becomes the crusading area, but, you know, here they have this crusading night.
And this dragon, which is the traditional, and you guys probably talked about this earlier.
And that's what made me think, though, of the Crusades and this, you know, this.
There's a staging error.
That's what's going on with the moon and Mars.
It's really, it's not the end game.
I just, I think it's fascinating.
Of course, I didn't even mention that in the middle of all this disinformation surge with all these incredible things, they found a void in the middle of the Great Pyramid.
Let's not forget that.
So, you know.
I guess we're right at the heart of the hurricane.
Now, I'm going to turn everything over to Olivia and some questions.
I saw one earlier which was about this 2002 crop circle.
And it's the crop circle with the gray, the head of the gray.
Alexander, you know this one?
I've seen it, yeah.
And I think I've always felt that it was very disturbing because it doesn't look like the kind of things some people just rolled out.
You know, it really looks like a kind of a menacing image that they put together.
And very, very different style for Mo.
It's not like a geometrical, abstract sort of form.
It's a humanoid, more than one humanoid, right?
Wasn't there maybe two?
I'm forgetting.
Yeah, I'm just, I remember that the humanoid head, and I thought it was interesting.
There have been, to answer that question, there have been some pretty good crop circles basically around this.
And there's no doubt that there's something very important that is going on with crop circles.
Alexander, you've run some videos about crop circles.
What's your opinion there?
That's one of those things where I've never seen one, because I've seen a lot of UFOs, so I have opinions about that.
But whatever, everything that I've seen about it does seem to be a bona fide thing.
You know, like the wheat gets braided and it's altered.
It's altered, you know, with microwaves or something.
Crop Circle Verification00:04:36
Okay, so another question we had earlier was How do we tell the difference between the disinformation and the legitimate info?
That's the question, isn't it?
Well, if you're in the middle of a disinformation surge, you better figure it out, I guess.
What would you say, Joseph?
Well, I'd go back to what I said earlier.
Information is legit if it can be confirmed and if it fits into.
Other information.
So, in other words, the only way when you live in a culture where you're being constantly bombarded with propaganda is to use every source at your disposal, including the propaganda sources.
You know, we're living in the Soviet Union, if you can put it that way.
We're living where our sources of information are Radio Moscow and Prague.
So, you avail yourself of everything, and particularly when the false information makes predictions that do not come true.
You kind of log it.
But the bottom line is you have to be researchers.
You have to rely on documents and argumentation.
That's the fundamental key.
Whistleblowers are valid only insofar as they can confirm or if the information they put out there fits within the general body of research.
So, in other words, if an information agent comes out on the day of the JFK documents release and says, The documents are not going to prove any of the JFK assassination conspiracy theories.
They will legitimize the Warren Report.
And then you read the documents, and what value is the whistleblower's testimony at that point?
It's valueless.
So I would say number one, if you're dealing with stories, the first thing you have to identify is the story originating with research or does the story originate from a whistleblower telling a story?
And if the latter, be immediately skeptical unless there are lots of other witnesses that can more or less confirm the details of that story.
Yes, fascinating.
And that's legitimate witnesses.
You know, whistleblowers, the whistleblower really, legitimate ones have a very short shelf life.
At some point, they've got to show their cards and display and demonstrate why and how they know this information.
On top of their information being verified.
Now, we do have a group of knuckleheads who they hear Joseph say something like that, and what they do is they look around the table and they get their buddies at their table to say, Yes, I'll verify that.
I'll verify that because I've had the same wackadoodle experience.
And they call that source verification.
No.
It's insane.
It's not source verification, it's just more BS.
And what's sad is there are people out there that are buying it.
Yeah.
You know, they'll say, well, clown number one says this, and clown number two backs him up, and clown number three backs both of them up.
Right.
They're buying this.
Why?
Because they want desperately for this to be disclosure.
They want desperately to be saved by these things.
They're supplanting vision with, you know, this desperate belief in fantasy.
And what's happening is the whistleblowers are able to come in and just tell stories.
And keep telling stories for as long as they're being invited to tell them, be it at conferences or books about them or whatever, or book deals, whatever.
And I bring that up because that's really what these guys are there for.
And if they're in their so called whistleblowing stories, actually part of passing a planted narrative, okay, a false narrative, they've been recruited because they are the type of knucklehead who just wants to be speaking at a conference, who just wants to be on a radio show, and just wants to have a book deal.
They'll recruit.
If I were planning the false narrative, I would recruit a narcissist like Wilcock and Goode and totally, totally use them to the fullest extent.
If I'm trying to get my nonsense out there, because I know their ego, they're going to be willing to do anything.
Let's boil it down to an aphorism, Daniel.
Extraterritorial Forces00:11:14
If there's no footnote, be in doubt.
I didn't even mention the Gaia TV alien mummy.
I guess we'll do that next show.
Speaking of strange stories, here's another question Are the ancient precision megalithic structures?
And this is from Lawrence Henney, part of the engineering of planet Earth.
Oh, in my opinion, yes, absolutely.
I just did a show yesterday, Daniel, with Cliff Dunning about that precise thing.
I wrote a book on it, Grid of the Gods.
I think what you're looking at with a lot of those ancient megalithic structures are two things.
You're looking at structures that were designed to enshrine.
Astronomical and geodetic systems of measure.
And why is that important?
Well, you need that for a system of weights and measures if you're going to have commerce on anything more than a local level.
So, in other words, that's absolutely essential to global commerce.
Number two, I think the placement of all these structures clearly indicates that they're, in some form or fashion that's not quite well understood, trying to make the entire planet some sort of machine.
And we're living kind of in the empty remains or destroyed, decayed remains of a vast planetary machine of some sort.
But yeah, I absolutely think that.
Wow, fascinating.
Well, here's an interesting one do we have bases on Mars?
Hugo.
I think we've put boots on Mars.
Now, I don't know if we have bases.
But this is one of my wild ass speculations.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we've put boots on Mars.
We've landed there maybe one or two expeditions.
Let me add to that, if I may.
If people like Catherine Fitz or me or Richard Dolan or Walter, whoever's been investigating this long spanning.
Black Project's effort.
We're talking about trillions of dollars over decades.
And I always respond to this question this way Do you think, in five decades or so since the end of World War II, if not much longer in actuality, that you could take all of that money and all of that brain power and not come up with anything?
So it would surprise me hugely.
If we haven't put boots on Mars and maybe a small base or two, it would really surprise me if that were not the case.
Let me throw in one short thing, too, to add on to that.
One of the complaints people make is, come on, we would be seeing the technology they use to get there in our civilian world and such.
Well, I'd like to point out that when they demonstrated Apollo, you know, that whole dog and pony show going to the moon, you know, they built one of those things essentially, they used one at a time.
It's not like we had a bunch of Apollo 11 landers flying around our cities, you know, or they were using them for other things.
There was one used at a time and it went.
From, you know, it was put on the rocket and it went to the moon.
And this is what I'm saying about one of these Mars expeditions there would be a ship, interplanetary ship, maybe they would just have one or two.
And, you know, let's see if we can get there and get back.
And let's add to that where on earth is a perfect place to bury black projects and technologies like that where there's not any easy public access to?
Antarctica.
And who's present in Antarctica?
Why Lockheed Martin?
Yeah, yeah, unbelievable.
Yeah, um, incredible.
You know, we're winding down here, we've got a few minutes left.
Um, I wanted to ask you know, basically, this Goddard uh journal video, Alexandra, you've seen it, you gave your opinion on it.
We got a really good idea of what was happening there.
Um, Walter, did you get a chance to look at the Goddard video?
That I saw earlier today.
What's in it?
It's basically they show how they created the New York Times UFO footage by using a certain gun camera that had a gimbal on it.
Yes.
And what was your impression?
Yes.
And it demonstrated how the glow from the engines of an aircraft from a certain distance or lighting conditions can look like a tic tac UFO, tic tac shaped UFO.
Yes.
And I thought that was really.
I'm so glad that, you know, that's been bandied about there.
It's just what out of focus looks like in infrared.
Right.
Alexandra, as we close out here, can you reiterate your impressions of that video?
You reacted very quickly when I sent it to you.
You ran it.
We had a good discussion about it.
We instantly had that same reaction, which was like, wow, this is major.
Right.
Well, I mean, like I said, I mean, everyone who's seen this footage.
Just thinks that it looks incredibly fake, like some kind of 1930s attempt at sci fi.
And what makes it look fake is the very flat looking, quote, tic tac on this background.
And the way that it moves is very flat and not three dimensional looking.
It just looks like the worst attempt at special effect, very primitive special effect.
So then, when I saw this video where the guy points out that these effects that we're looking at are very common artifacts of infrared and out of focus infrared, objects shot in infrared that are out of focus, that's things that end up looking like tic tacs.
And then the glow around them is also an artifact of infrared.
And then the movement and the way that it moves is very much an artifact of the gimbal heads.
That are used in these fighter jet gun cameras.
So, we're looking at basically several artifacts that are associated with the instruments, the equipment that's used, the gun cameras that are used on fighter jets.
The already becoming discredited New York Times UFO story unraveled in this analysis around the Goddard Journal of Video, in my opinion.
Absolutely fascinating, though, because if you think of when they ran that op to today, we're talking about a little over a month.
And I'm sure that they didn't anticipate these types of problems with it.
Well, they didn't look at the footage very closely before they released it.
I mean, what's the worst?
It's amazing.
Another aspect of the operation, though, always remember because this was part of the operations I did.
One of the reasons you run a provocation is to identify who your intelligence officers in a given location are.
You got the guys who you can guess, you got the guys you can know, but are there others in the woodwork?
And the point of this operation could have involved identifying people like what we're doing here.
The ones who are not going to buy this stuff and who are going to speak the loudest.
And from that angle, it could be very successful in their eyes.
Bingo.
Wow.
Incredible.
It's an incredible point because if you think of it as data mining, and we know that data right now is more important than money in many ways, information about money is more important than the actual money right now.
But if we think about it in terms of this field, certainly targeting it and saying, what would happen if we roll this app through it?
Who's going to pop out?
And what are the faces and what are the connections with them?
And how would we kind of overcome that obstacle when we come to the real big reveal?
I think that is an excellent observation.
It's a really good insight.
One last thing I want to say about this is, Joseph, one of the most fascinating things that you've brought into the picture around the UFO phenomena is that it could be, as I mentioned something about this earlier, but a lot of it could be an extraterritorial force.
Right.
And that kind of access to that kind of technology, that could be something earthbound.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Earthbound, and if not necessarily earthbound, at least earth originated, human originated.
The problem I've had with most ufology is this idea that they're capturing all of this stuff and getting all of their advanced technologies from reverse engineering.
Crashed ET aircraft.
And as a meme, what that does is it prevents people from going and looking at the actual scientific and engineering papers that are out there and have been out there since the 1930s.
And, you know, to me, I make the joke, but it illustrates a serious point, I think.
To me, the problem is if ET keeps crashing stuff on planet Earth, pretty soon we're going to have to reciprocate and start crashing our stuff on ET's homeworld so they can catch back up with us.
You know, this.
In other words, as an explanation, this goes absolutely nowhere.
And it prevents you from looking at actual human possibilities for the origin of a lot of stuff that we might be seeing.
And, you know, I think given all that we've discussed about corporations, about what Alexander said about this being intellectual property, given all of that, I think you have to confront the other aspect of ufology, and that is black projects and advanced technologies.
You're doing a disservice to the field if you don't confront that head on.
Absolutely.
Fascinating.
Wow.
So I think this would be a good point for us to wrap our conversation up.
Incredible, incredible information.
And before I check out Olivia, what have you got?
Just one question.
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Yes.
Q?
Just Q.
Yes.
Well, what's great about Olivia is she's kind of huge.
No, no.
That's literally the question.
Yes, yes.
I know.
But it's interesting because you do this awesome thing where.
You put together a number of questions into kind of a cumulative question.
And you're saying, well, so what we're getting the most tonight are questions about QAnon.
Yes.
Well, we do have a video out about QAnon.
There's another one coming.
I would like to say that you might want to start there.
The QAnon phenomena is part of this disinformation surge that we've been seeing.
There's no question about it in my mind.
And Joseph, I won't ask you to reiterate all the things that we discussed about QAnon.
But in a nutshell, your impressions of Q?
Well, as I told you initially when we talked about it, my impression is number one, it's a disinformation op.
And like Walter said earlier, it has to have enough truth in it to grab people and sell them on the total narrative, which it certainly seems to do.
And my impression of it is because of certain clues within the material itself, you're either dealing with a team of people.
In other words, I don't think this is one person.
You're dealing with a professional team that is connecting dots, and that's really all the Q is asking you to do is connect dots that are already out there in many cases and have been connected in precisely the way that he's connecting them.
So, I think number one, you're dealing with an operation to make people passive you know, eat your popcorn and wait for the next revelation to come rather than go out and do anything yourself.
And number two is you're dealing with a team, or number three, possibly you're dealing with.
An AI of some sort that's been programmed to look for things because the English of the Q disclosures is not really good.
It's classical neuro linguistic programming, it's planting memes in people's heads to go out and analyze and look at certain events in a certain way.
So, yeah, I'm skeptical of it for all of those reasons.
Fascinating.
And I think your overview on it is right on because, of course, it does that thing where it's sort of like acting like a 21st century Torbitt document.
Exactly.
It's going to answer all these things.
And I think that they really need that.
I came upon the idea that Q was actually basically an anonymous super PAC.
Yeah, exactly.
It's hope porn, like Catherine Fitz says.
You know, it's something that comes along in a cynical culture to give people hope and make people think the good guys are winning, which they may well be.
But I wouldn't base my opinion on it.
On the Q material alone.
It's, again, it's a whistleblower testimony.
And we don't even know who the whistleblower is or where this stuff is really coming from.
So, again, be skeptical and do your own research.
And if you disagree with Q, more power to you.
I sum up Q very often this way WikiLeaks showed up in 2016 and totally spun the election because of the revelations that were involved.
Right.
You know, regardless of his intention, that's the way it worked out.
This thing is like a creation.
It's like a caricature, an artificial version of that.
And they're trying to do it, but it's nameless and faceless.
Right.
Walter, Q, in two minutes or less.
I think you guys have summed it up well.
I've talked with Joseph about it.
I've watched you talk about it.
I see it the same way.
It's something to question.
It's just not the.
I just don't think it's the source that a lot of people think it is.
And yeah, it fits definitely within perception management.
A thought that just crossed my mind a minute ago is: you know, could it be a product of the so-called Collins Elite?
Yeah.
Oh, bingo.
As far as the who.
Interesting.
What is the Collins Elite?
The Collins?
That's.
Go ahead.
Well, the Collins Elite is a group that Nick Redfern wrote about in his book Final Events that supposedly.
Realized that they were dealing with demons when they were dealing with UFOs and were trying to figure out how to basically, number one, defeat the enemy, and number two, clue people in on what's going on.
And I never thought of Q in that connection, but yeah, it definitely has that feel to it of something like that.
Yeah, yeah, I can see that easily.
Fantastic.
So I want to go out on a prediction, which is where we started.
And, you know, we went through this whole kind of interesting arc where we figured out what was happening with the SpaceX satellite.
And we figured out, you know, that there were links there that went all the way through this disinformation push.
Even the Michigan meteor looked highly suspicious in this regard.
But if we had to predict where the UFO narrative was going in relation to this Tom DeLong, New York Times, Harry Reid, Bigelow op, Where is it headed, Alexander?
Can you start?
Well, if it's up to the footage, it's going to be completely just busted.
Yeah.
Busted.
Absolutely.
Anything, I mean, it really does feel that way.
When I was watching it, I felt like I was watching a complete expose on it.
And I really felt like that, I don't think you come back from that.
You might have some major PR.
And it was the guy from Metabunk.
Yeah, right, right, exactly.
Joseph, where are we headed with that?
With ufology, I think right now we're living through a paradigm shift in the field.
I think the fact that the narrative has crumbled so quickly really indicates that the field is now ready for some mature reflection and scholarship.
And as a result of that, the field is no longer going to be able to.
Survive as an insular area of research.
It's going to have to be considered now from an interdisciplinary standpoint where people start to kind of follow the clue that Richard Dolan gave that this is a field that touches on national security, on geopolitics, on finance, and so on and so forth.
So I think you're going to see a change.
I think you're going to see more and more actual research coming out.
This is going to You know, it's not going to happen next year, but I think we've been through a paradigm shift.
This was the last hurrah, really, going all the way back to the post war period of an attempt to control a narrative.
But the attempt to control it is breaking down because it can no longer be done on a national level, number one, and it can no longer be a field that is considered in isolation from other fields.
I think you're going to see major, major shifts, not only within ufology, but across the board in the total alternative.
Research community package.
I think you're going to see new themes and new memes coming out and being investigated.
We're at the beginning of it.
Fascinating.
Walter, well, it's kind of a two question in one package, which is where is the Tom DeLong Academy to the Stars rollout with Harry Reid and Bigelow and that whole thing and the CIA going, that particular story narrative, and where is Ufology headed?
On the DeLong thing, I think at best for them, as presented, that's going to fizzle out.
And at best, DeLong's going to end up with his place on the stage and his place in front of microphones in the usual UFO media circus, the ufology circus out there.
And, you know, he'll be putting out music and books.
It'll end up being at best his little entertainment thing.
And he'll become one of those so called luminaries in, you know, ufology.
Yeah.
But at the same time, while that's happening with them, serious ufology is going to finally.
Well, I'll say what I agree with Joseph and Alexandra.
I'll say what I hope happens.
I hope in this new era, people that are serious about ufology just break away from the nonsense that's controlled it.
It breaks away from that UFO cottage industry that's been controlling it for decades.
And people just break out and start doing their own research.
It goes back to what Joseph said follow your own leads.
People have to realize this UFO phenomenon, okay.
The phenomena related, it's a very personal phenomenon, okay.
The phenomenon manifests relative to the observer.
This is a serious aspect of this.
And this is why, if you're serious about ufology, go out there yourself and quit listening to the whistleblowers, quit listening to everybody else's, hey, I saw one too story.
I mean, that's great because people are seeing them.
But really, you know, just take it in a more serious direction and don't let the people who want to control that narrative control you.
Right.
Wow.
I just wanted to jump in and just point a few things out.
I think one thing that hasn't been sort of brought up is I think probably the biggest thing holding back ufology is that it's been ghettoized.
It's probably been ghettoized on purpose.
You know, it's been ridiculed and everything.
But the biggest secret that sort of.
Complex of things that it's holding it back.
It's the alternative energy thing.
It's the non petroleum part of it and then the whole petrodollar part of it.
It's the collapse of the dollar.
So when you have Saudi Arabia saying that we want to go green and building high tech cities, and when you have Russia and Iran and China bypassing the petrodollar by buying and selling petroleum with yuan.
And with euros and with other currencies that aren't the petrodollar, you have a collapse of the to the stars Elizondo UFO narrative.
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Yep, absolutely.
Wow.
Absolutely.
Everyone, it's been a fantastic conversation.
I can't believe the level that you guys have brought this conversation about the UFO factor and, in specific, this Academy to the Stars, but the larger picture, which is so much deeper.
When I think of the work that You've done, Joseph or Walter, Alexandra, and then I compare it with the kind of marketing ops that they have running there.
You know, the one thing that those guys don't have is any substance.
And this is the thing I mean, you know, the incredible information that's available to someone by going into your work and really studying it this way.
It's such an education, and it's great to have you guys here live.
Unbelievable.
This has definitely been our best live event so far.
And Alexandra, amazing stuff.
ForbidknowledgeTV.net.
Everyone, if you want to go there, sign up for the newsletter because she's doing, she's curating.
That site and the videos and her essays about these subjects are absolutely fabulous.
And this conversation was so great.
I'm going to invite all three of you back and we'll figure out the when, but we're going to do this all again because it's just too much great information here.
And thanks so much, Walter, of course, Empire of the Wheel book series.
Just amazing stuff.
And you're working on a new one, Walter?
I am.
I'm back in research in the Empire of the Wheel milieu.
So.
Yeah, that's usually the beginning of a yes answer to something like that.
That's how this works.
Those books and your presentations are absolutely fascinating and really spam history, which I think is important.
Joseph, your book, Antarctica and Rudolph Hess, that book is just incredible.
And we'll be getting more about that.
You're working on a new book, as I understand it.
I'm working on two.
My objective is to have them both out this year.
But one of them is so incredibly intense and difficult that's iffy if I even get that one out.
But yes, I am working on two books.
Wow.
And of course, Alexandra, I always inspire you to write a book.
You've written six now to write your seventh book and have it be about CERN because I know you blow everyone away on that.
So thanks so much, everyone.
And thank you, everyone who joined us.
Of course, you can go to darkjournalist.com, sign up for the newsletter so you stay in the flow with the shows that we have going on.
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And these are the quality of shows that we can really pull out.
We don't need the disinformation surge, and we don't need the kind of Tom DeLong ops to tell us what is going on in this community.
We have absolutely incredible information.
And that's really where I'd like to see things move.
That's my prediction for where things are going to move.
So thank you, everyone, and have a great evening out there.