Daniel Liszt and Alexandra Bruce dissect the chaotic JFK records release, where Trump's initial transparency promise collapsed under CIA pressure to redact names. They analyze new documents suggesting Lee Harvey Oswald collaborated with KGB agents, contradicting the lone gunman theory while highlighting an FBI memo indicating two shooters. The hosts argue this narrative shift deflects from JFK's intended UFO disclosures that could have triggered a nuclear exchange, citing Operation Northwoods as proof of a deep state takeover moving from false flags to direct public attacks to justify expanded defense budgets and control. [Automatically generated summary]
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Trump's Tough Talk on Peace00:03:28
And that is the most important topic on earth, peace.
What kind of a peace do I mean and what kind of a peace do we seek?
Not a Pax Americana, enforced on the world by American weapons of war.
I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, not merely peace in our time, but peace in all time.
Well, hello everyone.
This is Dark Journalist, and thank you for joining me in this live broadcast.
You know, we're going to be doing part two of an update on the JFK records release that's happening now, and we'll be doing a couple more of these before my JFK assassination special closer to the anniversary on November 22nd to try to really get into the details of these records.
Today we'll be joined by Forbidden Knowledge TV's Alexandra Bruce.
That's if the streaming video holds up.
Now, we had a very interesting run up to the record release, as a lot of you It was kind of fascinating actually because Trump, on one hand, was really talking tough and saying he was going to release them all.
And at the last minute, they pulled back some.
There was backlash, and then Trump turned around again and said, No, I am going to release them, but we'll redact some names.
But there was a lot of heavy pushback on the intelligence side.
So we're going to look at that and we're going to look into all the kind of vagaries and details around these documents.
And I'm here with Alexandra Bruce from Forbidden Knowledge TV.
Alexandra, are you there?
Yes.
I just introduced you, so you're right on time.
How are you?
I'm good.
How are you?
Excellent.
It's great to have you because, you know, when we did the special on this last week, it was kind of fascinating.
We didn't yet have all the details, and it was an interesting lead up.
You could tell there was some wrangling going on between the intelligence agencies and Trump, and the media was really, you know, going heavy for it.
You could tell that they were nervous also.
But there was a big buildup, and then by the end of that day, the word came out yes, some of the files will come out, but Trump said in a statement, I have no choice, I can't let certain documents out.
How did you feel when we got that word down at the end of the day?
Well, it just felt like a sucker punch.
It just felt like it definitely felt like whoever was in charge with public affairs was not, you know, there was a lack of alignment with the message, you know.
It seemed a little discombobulated, yes.
Yeah, yeah, it was certainly discombobulated.
And did you feel kind of a letdown because the administration had talked so tough about releasing this stuff?
Yeah, but you know, I wasn't exactly shocked either.
I was like, just more crap.
But it was very interesting how the sort of the recovery, if you will, was like, I'm gonna release stuff.
Like the next day Trump said stuff.
It's just like, What's going on over there?
It was pretty wild.
I have to say, it was a pretty wild ride.
But by the next day, he was saying, Oh, I'm going to release everything.
Covert Overt Situation Explained00:09:28
Yeah.
And now they have a thing, and it's called rolling.
We're going to roll these reports out.
It's a little unusual.
It's pretty easy.
You press a button, and they're in the National Archives.
Digitize them, and everybody can get at them.
Right.
So, what they do have out, I have copies of them now, all zip files, and I've been going through them.
And I want to discuss a couple of the items with you that came out of these documents.
But I also want to get into the larger picture around the national security state takeover that started over 50 years ago.
And that's what the story is really about.
It is.
It is.
We're going to get into a few of these details just because they're new, and it'll lead into that.
But I agree with you, actually, because we're both on the same page.
If someone were to go to forbiddenknowledgetv.net and look at your various political videos about the JFK assassination, this overarching theme emerges of one half of the national security state taking over the other half.
And that sort of public, covert overt situation where the covert side overtook the public state is really the setup.
And that's really what happened in 63.
That's why it's such a major secret.
That's why they've kept it hidden.
And the assassination of Kennedy was very important, I think, in all that.
So let's get into some of these details.
Here's one that I found particularly interesting, which was there was an FBI memo from actually, this is really fascinating.
It was a special agent named Clements, and he was tracking someone named Oren Fenton Polito, who was giving these speeches after the assassination and seemed to have a great deal of knowledge about it.
They were very curious about him.
He was connected with a lot of political figures and right wing groups.
But one of the things that he stated was that, quote, the Surgeon General's report on the assassination stated that the first bullet entered the President's throat below the Adam's apple, unquote.
And then he goes on to say that it showed two persons were involved with the first shot being fired from the bridge in front of the car.
Now, this is all very interesting because they're trying to wrap everything around this lone nut theme.
Right.
And it's very significant that this first, you know, Surgeon General is talking about two shooters.
And if you've seen that photograph, it's very clearly an entry wound, not an exit wound.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's fascinating because this, you know, this showing that the Surgeon General's report is mentioned in the FBI file.
And they don't say in the FBI file, that's clearly wrong.
It's almost like they know that the Surgeon General had this, you know, and that would be the first person that they would show these types of photos to to see, like, do you think, what kind of wounds are these?
I think that's an authoritative source.
The Surgeon General.
Yeah, I would agree.
It is kind of fascinating, though, because I think in response to this, we've seen some of these details that are coming out, but we've seen something very fascinating, which is the CIA is coming out and saying, well, you know what?
Maybe Oswald didn't act alone.
Maybe he was with KGB agents.
All right.
So, again, with the Russophobia, it's just.
It's beyond.
It is truly beyond.
I'm going to try to play this clip of James Woolsey, and we're going to see how it goes.
People on the texting, and hello everyone.
It's good to see you there.
Let me know if you can actually hear this because it might be the kind of thing that might help it out.
It's just about a 30 second clip of Woolsey, who's the former CIA director under Clinton.
Under Clinton, right.
And it's very interesting history around him, UFOs, and Stephen Greer that we'll get into.
But anyway, very odd individual.
And the new CIA line, I guess they wanted to trot him out to try it.
And that is that.
Well, if Oswald was working with anyone, it was with the KGB.
It's just absolutely absurd, especially on a day like today when Mueller was actually forced to admit that the real crimes, the only things that he could uncover, had to do with the state of Ukraine, which is an anti Russian CIA.
Exactly.
They booted out the pro Russian guy.
Let's see if they need a geography lesson like the Ukraine.
Exactly, bro.
It's the Russia scandal, not the Ukrainian scandal.
Let's get real.
Really, it's like 180.
They're totally oppositional.
I definitely think that they were attempting to change the narrative quick from everything else that's going on.
So we're going to get into that.
But let's try to play this clip.
It's from Wolsey.
And people in chat, you can tell me if you can actually hear this.
Let's give it a shot.
It's been you today.
Great to be with you, Danielle.
Congratulations on your new show.
Well, thanks.
We hope that you come back often.
So I want to bring up one thing here.
In one of the documents, there is a statement here from.
One of the attorneys, David Berlin, he asked, Is there any information involved with the assassination of President Kennedy, which in any way shows that Lee Harvey Oswald was in some way a CIA agent and then it cuts off?
What do you think that's about?
I think there is some possible information that he was a KGB, but not a CIA.
Okay.
I mean, I'll tell you what.
This goes on and on, okay, but this is their line.
Okay, so they're saying, well, you know what?
In fact, he may have worked with somebody else, but it was a KGB agent.
He's not CIA.
And this is their whole new approach so that if these documents get out, if new leaks get out, if WikiLeaks, who offered a hundred thousand dollar bounty for these records, if that gets out, that their backup is, well, yes, we try to keep this, you know, we try to protect the country all this time.
And in fact, you know, Oswald was a KGB agent and he had Confederates who were KGB agents and we didn't want to start World War III.
That's pretty much where they're going with it.
Oh, that's so thank you for swearing it's World War III.
Nice view.
I mean, really.
My friends, I have other friends who are complete fanatics, you know, students of the JFK assassination.
And I was told to expect this, expect exactly this this attempt to blame the assassination on the KGB, which makes absolutely no sense at all, since JFK was proposing working closer with Russia.
For security purposes, because that document that you found that's in the JFK library, because of the uncertainty, because of UFOs.
And not only UFOs, but things like meteors have triggered potential nuclear threats.
Yeah, situations.
No question.
Various nations, between India and Pakistan, even.
There was a meteor shower that almost caused World War III between those two nations because they both have nukes.
I think it's particularly pertinent when we're hearing all this stuff about nuclear war with North Korea.
And one of the big things during the campaign was that the Clintons were really pushing this Cold War 2.0 scenario where the Russians this, the Russians that, and the Democrats are still doing that along with the media, although it makes no sense.
And then you get hardline Republicans who are doing it.
These are neocons.
These are neocons who need a strategy of tension in order to justify their own existence.
Justify their budgets, justify massive defense buildup, basically.
The only way, and so, and very much because they're so powerful, they've infiltrated all branches and parties of the government.
It's very much invaded the American sense of self.
It's almost like there are, I don't know, I mean, people who aren't politically active, I don't think so, but I think people who think, who fancy themselves as politically active might need to have Russia be an enemy in order to justify their American-ness.
And if they're on that train, I would advise them to get off because that's just a losing proposal for everyone.
There's no question about it.
This is what they were promising on the Clinton side, which is we'll take on Russia, right?
Everything was, we're encircling Russia.
And Russia had done a few things, obviously, to tweak off that sort of Davos crowd.
One of them was that they weren't going to allow GMOs in Russia, which is a big deal because, you know, they were looking for control through food.
That's gigantic.
They were creating their own monetary SWIFT system so that for clearing payments they were going to have their own.
They already have a version of it, but these are the types of.
Transaction processing is huge.
Yes.
It's a huge part of the ultimate central banker control paradigm.
There are only a few transaction processing nodes on the planet.
Roswell and National Security Memos00:07:22
One of them is somewhere in New York City, and the president doesn't even know what that address is, I've been told.
And another one is in Malaysia, of all places, which is interesting because we saw that weird terrorism with Malaysian Airlines in 2014.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, that is very strange.
I think, in any case, with Putin, they have a real problem.
But here again, 54 years later, what was the issue in 1963 when JFK was assassinated?
It was Khrushchev and the tensions with the Soviet Union.
We were looking at the same type of situation.
Of course, Russia was at the heart of that.
Now, When we look at the situation and the breaking point that it came to, there are memos like the ones that you referenced, like the NASA memo, which is National Security Action Memo 271, where Kennedy called for cooperation with the Soviets in outer space matters.
And then there's a CIA FOIA request document that came out that's widely reported in European media, which is the UFO quote memo.
And that's JFK actually talking about knowns versus unknowns.
And it's actually called The release of all intelligence files relating to UFOs, sharing that information with the Soviets.
Which is a subject line, a bombshell of a subject line.
How big of a problem is that in 1963 for these deep state continuity of government players who want to keep all this stuff secret?
And you've got a president in there who not only knows about the subject but wants to share it.
Well, but the thing is, I guess the problem was bigger than even that, which was we might have a nuclear exchange because.
There are UFOs like tripping the sensors, you know?
Right, right.
And this is very crucial, I think, which is he's saying in the memo if they see one of these UFOs and they think it's us gathering intelligence, basically, then it might trigger a nuclear incident.
Yeah.
So that's the level that they talked about these things on.
You know, one of my last interviews with the late Jim Mars, who did incredible work around the assassination and the deeper intelligence around UFOs and some of the reasons that this came up.
And he talked about the planetary group.
And the planetary group was very interesting because in the 40s they tracked UFO crashes and sightings and things along that line because it was quite a wave in 47 when all that stuff came up.
Interestingly enough, one of the first briefings they gave was to Congressman Kennedy because he was part of naval intelligence previously and he was on these committees that studied various threats to the U.S.
And so he thoroughly knew about these crashes at the time.
And Mars went in to make sure that the group and the files were legitimate.
And he came to the conclusion that they were.
Let's watch this clip of him here, puzzling over these details and sorting it out.
This is sadly from my last interview with him before he passed away recently, but incredible researcher and here with incredible information about JFK's knowledge of UFOs.
So he knew.
He knew.
In fact, there's a real interesting tie in there.
Back in the 40s, there was a government.
Uh, group called the Interplanetary Phenomenon Group, which when I first heard about that, I said, Oh, that's just got to be some kind of joke, you know, but it was very real.
It's been documented.
There are documents now found from this group.
And in 1947, they actually produced a report on the Roswell crash, and it is pretty specific and pretty out there.
They talked about two different landing zones, LZ1, LZ2.
They talked about multiple bodies being found.
They talked about Uh, the whole thing they, and they gave names, dates, places.
They also were the first that I know that mentioned that before the crash in Roswell, there were all kinds of sightings around New Mexico.
And in fact, they had been picking up unidentified objects on their radar.
Uh, and it was becoming quite a concern to them, uh, through the first part of that week in July, preceding the crash, uh, at Roswell.
But in the back of this report, it said one of the few members of Congress to have knowledge Of this is Representative John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts.
And said he had served in naval, he was in naval intelligence, and was an officer in naval intelligence, and that he apparently had a source of information within the office of the Secretary of the Air Force, or yeah, Secretary of the Air Force, I guess.
At that time, it would have been the Army Air Corps.
Now, that's true.
Most people only know Kennedy's background as being the commander of the PT 109, right?
Which he got some.
By a Japanese destroyer in the South Pacific.
But it's true that prior to that, he had served in Washington with naval intelligence.
So, see, that tells you that this is a legitimate report.
And that tells us that Kennedy, as far back as 1947, knew that the Roswell was the real deal and that something very unearthly had happened there.
So, I think that's pretty powerful.
And we have to remember that if there is a secret going in.
You know, when Kennedy gets the presidency, the one thing, you know, there's a number of factors that he wants the deep state to control JFK about, but certainly the UFO matters gigantic because they don't plan to ever disclose this fact to the public.
And well, I think you know who makes a great case is um Rochester, New York, upstate where it's cold.
Oh, oh, uh, Richard Dillon, yes, his great work was UFOs in the national security state.
That's the very convincing case, an awesome case that Richard Dillon made, very well documented.
That really shows it's a very, it makes a lot of sense that that was the whole reason for this national security apparatus that we have today.
I mean, yeah, that and the atom bomb, I mean, they're almost like they're used sort of against, you know, it's like a shadow play between one and the other, a little bit.
It makes sense.
It does make sense for a number of reasons.
One of the reasons it makes sense is it represents amazing energy, right?
Technological advancement.
And one of the things that we can say how these things mirror each other when you talk about national security incidents.
So when you're discussing Roswell, for example, Well, when the national security state came under fire about that in the 90s, really, I mean, in the 80s it trickled out, but in the 90s it was a full blown movement.
And the Air Force felt compelled to write a huge report on it.
It was the most ridiculous thing in the world where they said, oh, they were crash test dummies, even though they didn't really use them until the 50s.
Similar to what happened with the JFK, Congress having to revisit that whole thing.
So, yeah, we were treated to headlines on the New York Times with ridiculous pictures of dummies and.
Oswald's Unusual Intelligence Ties00:04:30
Yeah, and well, and promises to release the files that we're getting today.
Yes, that is fascinating too, because they wanted them in the 70s, of course, and these things trickled out.
I do think that one of the more unheralded chapters in the whole JFK saga is the work of the Association Record Review Board.
They are very fascinating, ARRB, and Judge Tenheim still comes out and gives, he was the head of the board.
And what they had to do was review these documents and figure out which ones could be released to the public without causing damage to our reputation or intelligence matters.
But really, some of the best work came out of what they did.
And it's really their work that gives us the foundation for understanding the knowledge that the intelligence community had about Oswald, which is absolutely crucial if you're going to get anywhere in terms of solving the equation.
You know, it's one thing to say, Oswald was a CIA agent.
I made a documentary, Agent Oswald, the CIA Patsy.
He was clearly associated with intelligence.
But one thing that you can show on the record is that even though they deny it, the CIA was aware of Oswald.
And this is a crucial thing, I think, to keep in mind because you have to ask yourselves why are they lying about who this person was?
Now, I want to go into him for a minute here because I think this is significant.
Oswald is.
In the Civil Air Patrol at the age of 15.
David Ferry is the unit commander, and Ferry is a right wing, he's connected with the CIA, he's connected with the Mafia.
And interestingly enough, when we get into Oswald's life a little bit, it's very unusual.
It's got all of the fingerprints of intelligence.
Even when he goes to the Soviet Union, it's somebody's operation because, of course, he has no money to go traveling around the world, et cetera.
And people have looked into that.
But I think Oswald is significant in a few ways because We have this memo from J. Edgar Hoover in 1960, and it says, Watch out, someone's using Lee Harvey Oswald's passport and birth certificate here and identifying himself, even though Oswald's in Russia.
You've got to ask yourself, How important was Oswald that the FBI director is writing memos about him three years before the assassination?
So that's far from some kind of loser nobody that no one cares about and who was frustrated because he was in a minimum wage job and decided.
He was going to assassinate the president.
I mean, that story is so ridiculous.
Yeah, no, it makes no sense.
And why would the FBI be knowing about him, too?
That seems a little confusing, also.
Well, let's go even deeper.
Oswald and his wife are staying at the home of Ruth and Michael Payne.
Ruth Payne is a Quaker, and Michael Payne works for Bell Helicopters, an engineer.
His boss is Walter Dornberger.
Walter Dornberger is one of the Nazis that we brought over here during Paperclip, and he was actually wanted for crimes under the judgment at Nuremberg trials.
Full on SS, and he was associated with a couple of interesting things the rocket program, which is one of the reasons they grabbed him, but also this Bell project, which is this really, you know, and I've gone into this in my interviews with Joseph Farrell, but in any case, very exotic technology, we'll put it that way.
So Dornberger is Michael Payne's boss, and it just so happens that the Paynes take in Oswald and his wife, and all of the evidence that convicts Oswald in the public arena comes out of their household.
So, these are very unusual connections for someone who's supposed to be a lone, disgruntled person.
All the ridiculous reports I've been reading all weekend and then the run up in the past few days to this documents release, it's all the same stuff.
Deeply troubled Oswald, psychological profile showed he was a psycho, all these things.
And really, none of that pans out at all.
In fact, there aren't any psych evals of Lee Harvey Oswald, except when he was 13, because he had a fight in school or something along that line.
Operation Northwoods Connections00:12:18
And how deep are you going to go with someone who's 12 or 13?
To figure out their entire life's profile.
So it's not like he had a psychiatrist who kept long records of his psyche valsections or something.
This is all made up stuff.
Yeah, I mean, the absurdity.
I mean, anyway, so what else is new?
What else came out?
Well, what's interesting is, and what I think is probably the most important piece of the pie that came out from these files so far.
Is that there is a British reporter who received a telephone call 25 minutes before the assassination that told him something big was going to happen in America and to call the US Embassy in London and to tell them that.
Right.
That was fascinating.
That was brand new.
And it's just eerily similar to the World Trade Center 7 broadcast that the BBC made 20 minutes.
Yes.
Or, you know, she's talking about the tower going down and it's like standing right behind her.
I mean, everyone's seen this.
Yeah.
It's just great.
It is.
I have a.
It's about this tower going down 20 minutes before it goes down.
I put that clip in my interview.
Which it is.
I mean, I've actually been, I was in that building.
I used to live half a block away from the WTC complex.
I've been in there to try to file a case, a fraud case.
So, like, I knew exactly what building it was.
And I was like, what are you guys talking about?
Right.
It's pretty interesting.
One of the things I think about this call that's fascinating is that this reporter in the files suggests that he was a very reliable source for MI5, which is basically the British equivalent of the CIA.
And you wonder if this wasn't the CIA tipping off their MI5 source that this was coming, because we know how close those guys danced together.
In any case, Who is this person and how did they know?
It's a totally anonymous tip, but how did they know that they haven't gotten to the bottom of it?
So it's kind of interesting.
It's like smoke.
Where there's smoke, there's fire, but it's just smoke, kind of.
Well, it's.
It's a little more than smoke.
No, it is.
I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you the significance of it.
The entire CIA's case, the entire FBI's case, is built on the fact that Oswald was a lone nut who decided to do this on a whim.
And it just so happened that he was lucky enough to get a job at the Texas School Book Depository six weeks before the president came.
Obviously, Oswald was placed in that position.
There's no question about it.
And I can go into the details about it.
In fact, when I mentioned that Oswald worked.
Was in the Civil Air Patrol in his teens.
The man who founded the Civil Air Patrol, D.H. Byrd, is the same guy who owned the Texas School Book Depository.
It's a very unusual figure.
Major donor to the Johnson machine, LBJ's machine.
And his cousin was Admiral Byrd, who did the famous Antarctic expedition.
So it's a very deep, deep player.
And, you know, everywhere you see on that chessboard Oswald moving around, We find him with these deep military, deep state intelligence connections.
I mean, there's no getting around it.
But the call is significant because if their case is based, and this is for history, because this is how the history books read now, and if you say it any other way, according to our academic institutions, you'd be wrong.
They say that he acted alone, got a whim in his head, and did this.
All right.
It's already been debunked, even by their own House Assassinations Committee, said it didn't happen this way.
But anyway, taking it on the face of it, this is what they say.
If somebody had knowledge that the assassination was going to happen 25 minutes before it took place, then that clearly shows foreknowledge of the event, meaning they're collaborating with someone on the assassination.
And it's not just a lone nut anymore.
It's people calling TV stations in another country.
Exactly.
And so, what does that tell you?
I mean, in a way, if you think about these documents, there's going to be so many details, and they're going to say, well, maybe there was a mafia.
Thing or the CIA was using the mafia and all that.
Of course, we know that.
That's all a fact.
The CIA used the mafia and these ways to eliminate other heads of state and to infiltrate elections and all the rest of it.
So that's not news.
But what is news, in a sense, is this documented little piece that Oswald, in fact, was not the lone nut because 25 minutes before the assassination, someone else knew about it.
Of course, there's no good evidence for.
Oswald being the assassin, because even the first reports of the officers who arrived on the scene found a different rifle.
And one of them owned a sporting goods store that sold rifles.
So he certainly understood weaponry.
And that was the 7.65 Mauser.
They wrote affidavits to that effect.
They were the first ones on the scene.
They were the ones who saw it.
Strangely enough, the rifle morphs, even in CBS News reports, about three hours later, they changed it to Manliker Kokano.
Which is the rifle they can link to Oswald?
So, in any kind of real legal process, any kind of regular court case, none of that information would hold up.
And a lot of legal experts have said that.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's, I don't know if it's the first, but it's certainly in our, maybe in our modern era, the first of many circumstances where, you know, like 9 11, like the Vegas shooting, You have just absurd things being said.
19 Muslim hijackers with box cutters did 9 11.
I mean, and that's still the official line.
I mean, it's absurd.
And, you know, James Earl, whatever, James Earl Paddock.
James Earl Paddock.
Yeah, Lee Harvey Paddock, whatever you want to call him.
Shot 500 people.
I mean, they're doing it now.
That's, I think, the relevance, is that it really should be instructive.
Like, this is when they really started to do this stuff in earnest, I think.
Or at least, this is when they had to construct all this stuff, you know, using mass media, using television.
Because really, prior to the early 1960s, I don't know how many Americans had TV in their living room.
But that's really how the official story was propagated.
And that's how everything is propagated.
It's all for TV now, it's done on TV.
Well, a lot of it was mind control, but right off the bat, that's the thing.
For example, Hoover is writing memos.
And this is one of the new things that came out.
Hoover wrote a memo on November 24th.
Saying we need to convince the public that, quote, the public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin.
Well, that's no, and that's after Oswald is killed.
So no investigation, nothing.
He's saying within a few hours of Oswald being killed and only two days after the president's assassinated, we've got to convince the public that Oswald did it.
Now, Katzenbach, who's the assistant attorney general, who's the acting attorney general because RFK was grief stricken, He wrote a memo saying very much the same thing.
We have to convince the public that Oswald was guilty.
That's basically mind control because they're telling their, you know, it's like from the top down, this is the word that has to go out.
Now, I don't think that's.
Why?
Why do we have to convince people that that's it instead of whatever the truth was?
Because that wasn't it.
And if we're going through the same thing today with the Las Vegas shooting.
Yeah.
And of course, something like the Las Vegas shooting is very interesting in that it's got a lot of the earmarks of one of these deep events that we've seen.
And I think more details need to come out about it to get a really good picture.
But I know that you're doing a lot of reporting on it now.
And if people want to find out more about that, I recommend they check out a lot of the new videos that you're running about it.
I wanted to get into this thought for a minute because we're talking about operations in 9 11.
And everyone cites this operation northwards.
And as a matter of fact, I was on a radio show and somebody said, Well, you know, the CIA and the government covering up this assassination and intelligence taking part in it doesn't surprise me any.
Aren't you familiar with Operation Northwoods?
And of course, I'm familiar with Operation Northwoods, which was this plan that the Joint Chiefs had.
And it involved basically the idea of creating a false flag to blame Cuba.
It emerged because of the JFK Records Act?
I think it did in the 90s.
You know, it's really interesting.
Came tumbling out in 1998, and you're probably right, it probably came out in the ARRB.
Yeah, I looked it up and it did.
It wasn't.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Well, what's fascinating about it is that Kennedy strenuously objected, and that was the end of it.
But what I told the person who asked the question was you know, they said this shouldn't surprise you and all the rest of it because of that document.
But Operation Northwoods wasn't accomplished, they didn't do it.
The JFK assassination is something that happened.
They moved from the deep state, from that covert level, and they attacked the public level.
They took the public level out to change the direction of the country.
That's the difference.
It's one thing to say they'll do anything, but when they actually do anything and we have a record of it, then that's when we need to get a handle on what the event was and demand that kind of clarity and demand that kind of transparency.
That's why the idea of the records is important, even if there's nothing particularly crucial in there.
Honestly, I think the crucial work in this case has been done by people like Peter Dale Scott and Jim Mars and Jefferson Morley's done a lot of great work around the CIA role.
But I don't think anyone gets to what I think is the linchpin part, and it's something you mentioned earlier, which is this advanced exotic technology UFO part, which plays such a huge role, especially if you wanted to share that with Russia.
Right.
Well, I guess that there was a bigger danger, you know, which was that lack of communication could lead to an inadvertent, you know, nuclear exchange.
And that was a bigger problem than any secrets that we wanted to keep.
Well, it's interesting because so many people might point to different areas where they might say, you know, JFK was certainly a threat, a national security threat.
But what makes him a national security threat to these people when you get right down to it?
And that is all we have time for today.
Thank you, Alexandra.
Again, great work at Forbidden Knowledge TV.
Thank you, Daniel.
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