Dr. Joseph Farrell analyzes the 2016 U.S. election as a deep state proxy war between globalist factions, alleging mainstream media served Rockefeller and Rothschild interests to favor Hillary Clinton while silencing researchers like Ted Gunderson regarding occult CERN rituals and Catholic pedophilia rings. He contrasts Clinton's alleged communist-neoconservative ties with Trump's mafia-intelligence backing, drawing parallels to McCarthyism and predicting that regardless of the outcome, extreme polarization will persist as Trump plans a new media venture to bypass censorship. Ultimately, the discussion frames the election not as a democratic choice but as an elite struggle over open borders and centralization, suggesting pre-revolutionary instability awaits if corruption remains unchecked. [Automatically generated summary]
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Dark Journalists and Deep State Secrets00:03:49
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Today we're excited to welcome Oxford scholar Dr. Joseph P. Farrell back to the show.
Now, Dr. Farrell has been tracking geopolitics regularly at his website, gizadeathstar.com.
In this special episode, we're going to have him weigh in on the volatile 2016 U.S. presidential election.
Now, Dr. Farrell has referred to this election as the most bizarre of his lifetime, and today I'm going to ask him how his book, The Third Way, with its examination of McCarthyism and the rise of the Kennedys, is related to the deep state.
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Is there a direct political link reaching back 50 years through the present?
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I think that there is something going on here.
The trouble is, every time people try to connect all these dots with each other, they end up dead.
It's like the body count around the Clintons, you know.
If they're reading the same tea leaves, they're thinking, oh my word, we've exposed ourselves now so much in the way we're handling, you know, Trump and all of this business.
We've got to go for broke.
And that's kind of scary.
You know, we can always observe the hidden hand of the deep state in American politics during the presidential elections.
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Well, hello everyone.
I'm definitely excited to talk about this election today, which I think has so many interesting aspects.
Of course, the media has really exposed themselves as being totally with Hillary to the point where international observers can't believe their eyes.
Now, regardless of where you stand or who your candidate is, the incredibly one-sided coverage in this election really is unmasking the agenda of the mainstream media, which is to keep that propaganda train moving and to keep these global trade deals intact.
Now, we're going to break it all down with Dr. Joseph Farrell, and a quick reminder here to sign up for our newsletter at darkjournalist.com so you don't miss any of the shows we have coming up for election season.
Joseph, it's great to have you back on the show.
Thanks for having me.
Now, we have a lot to get to with this 2016 presidential election coverage.
Yes.
But I wanted to start off with this, which, although apparently unrelated, is really in sync with this bizarre picture that we see forming in 2016.
And that is this bizarre video.
Of what is apparently a human sacrifice or a mock human sacrifice taking place at CERN, of all places.
Right.
Now, have you had a chance to view the footage?
I have seen it.
If I remember correctly, that was part of the opening ceremonies.
But this video, I think you're talking about, is something more recent.
Yes, exactly.
Well, there's two different ones.
One of them was an opening ceremony for the world's largest tunnel in Sweden, called the Goddard Base Tunnel.
With a bizarre ceremony that looked like an occult ritual, basically.
Really, it was like a Bergman movie.
Yeah.
Quite over the top.
And then the one at CERN looked almost like security footage, and this was a mock human sacrifice video.
Right.
Now, strangely enough, CERN had to actually come out and make a statement about it and say, well, we don't know anything about a video like that or who would have made it, et cetera.
So, really, an unusual situation there.
So, I guess my question is what is behind this push to kind of have these black rituals out in the open?
Where everyone can see it?
Do they need to do a certain amount of this in public view, or is something else happening?
My intuition all along, Daniel, has been that if you look at these ceremonies, another ceremony that I saw that I was appalled at was the ceremony that was held on the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Verdun in World War I.
Chancellor Merkel and President Hollande went to Verdun to have a memorial service because that one battle alone killed approximately 400,000 Frenchmen, 400,000 Germans in a matter of months, weeks actually.
And the ceremony was this bizarre pagan Luciferian thing.
And I use that word advisedly because I think that's these people telling us who their ultra master is.
And I was just dumbstruck by the fact that you would honor dead Frenchmen who are fighting for France and, you know, Catholic, Christian, free France and dead Germans, you know, fighting for the Reich and their version of Christian civilization.
Why would you honor those dead in that way with something so blatantly against what both sides were fighting for?
I thought all along that the elites.
The power elites, that there is a certain segment of them that have a deeply occult, black, satanic spirituality.
Right.
So, what kind of public revelations can we link some of this activity to?
You know, what's a good focal point that we can correlate it with?
I think this is why you see the pedophilia scandals that keep popping up over and over again in this country, in the United Kingdom, in the Catholic Church.
There's something going on.
And I think they're connected.
The trouble is, I do know that there are certain people who've tried to connect.
These things and they end up dead.
Right.
There was back during the aftermath of the Franklin scandal in this country, Daniel.
I don't know if you remember that, but in the aftermath of that, there were certain researchers that, and I can't remember their names, that investigated a thing called the Founders Foundation or something like this.
And it turns out that this so called foundation was doing nothing but going out and abducting children.
To use as sex slaves in the elites' games, you know, their sex games, their sacrifices, and so on and so forth.
So, what I think is going on, Daniel, is behind the mock sacrifices, there's a reality.
And I think there's some sort of rule, to be quite honest with you, that they have to tell the world what they are about to do or going to do or are doing in some way or fashion in order to.
For their agenda to go forward, I don't know how else to put it.
Well, that's very interesting, actually.
I can really follow that.
Now, do we have a good example in ancient doctrines that would sort of demonstrate this rule?
The book of Job, if you want to get right down to it, you know, you've got the devil going to God and saying, okay, well, let me do this.
And God says, well, all right, but you have to kind of prepare, you know, let him know you're going to zap him with all sorts of junk.
Right.
That's the impression I'm getting from all of this.
We've seen such nuttiness.
They wanted to build a temple to Baal in New York City.
From my standpoint, yeah, that's kind of appropriate.
I'm a Midwesterner.
These people on the coast, no offense, but anyway.
I think that there is something going on here.
The trouble is, every time people try to connect all these dots with each other, They end up dead, or all of a sudden decide that they need a new career in a different field of research.
You know, it's very strange.
Suddenly they need a new career in a new town.
A new career in a new town.
Exactly.
Now, I think Ted Gunderson is the researcher that comes to mind.
That's the name I was trying to think of.
Yes, great investigator.
That's the name I was trying to think of.
Yeah, and his research went really deep.
It went very deep, and lo and behold, all of a sudden he ends up dead.
And, you know, He didn't strike me as a heart attack, if I remember correctly.
And he did, you know, an FBI special agent is going to have government physicals as a part of their regular routine.
They're not going to recruit somebody that's not in good physical condition.
And he was, you know, an elderly gentleman, but he never struck me as being in particularly bad health.
Well, there's just no question that there's a pattern around certain investigative researchers having their efforts cut short.
You know, Jim Keith is the guy that comes to mind right now, but.
His research around the men in black was way deeper and certainly more bizarre than anything that's out there in the more naive literature on the subject.
Yes.
Now, he certainly was a threat to that kind of covert wing.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he goes in for outpatient knee surgery and ends up dead.
Yeah.
Yeah, there are too many coincidental things like this that happen in this research community, particularly when you start investigating stuff like this.
And I've looked into some of this and done a little research over the years on these sacrifice sex ring stories, and I'm convinced that they're connected.
I, you know, part of me is cautious about going there because if I do anything like that, I want to make sure that I have all the dots connected before I put anything out there.
And Gunderson appeared to me like he was connecting, making deep connections with some of these stories that he was finding out about the founders.
And then he ends up dead.
So, you know, it's like the body count around the Clintons, you know.
How many messages do you have to send?
Definitely.
And their body count is really going very high this year.
Suddenly, it's just rocketing off the charts.
It's unreal.
It's unreal.
And to me, it goes all the way back to Arkansas.
It's that Bush Clinton nexus again.
They're both corrupt up to the earlobes.
And.
If nothing else, Daniel, I think what Trump is doing is he's thrown such a monkey wrench into the system that it has them genuinely panic.
Because what he's done is he's put all of this alternative media stuff that we've been researching and discussing for years, he's put it right into the mainstream and it's not going to go away.
And they know that.
Definitely true.
Whether he wins or loses, it's not going to go away.
Well, it's actually an amazing strategy when you think about it.
Mm hmm.
You know, I had Roger Stone on the show.
Oh, really?
Yeah, talking about his LBJ book, about LBJ's involvement in the Kennedy assassination.
And at the time, his Clinton expose books were just in development.
And I found it interesting that he was working on the books a few years before Trump ran for president.
And then Stone became the advisor to Trump, and now they're battling the Clintons.
You know, it's almost as if Trump understands the implications of the alternative research along the lines of what we're discussing here.
And he's able to use them.
But when he uses them publicly, it mainlines this powerful information.
Yes.
And the establishment has to run for cover or just make him look like he's so out there for bringing these things up in the first place.
Yeah.
Well, you know, the trouble with trying to make him look like he's out there is people aren't buying it.
Right.
This is what I think has stunned them.
And, you know, the way I'm looking at it, Daniel, even if he loses the race, and I have to be honest, I'm extremely skeptical.
Of the polls that are showing Hillary ahead.
Yeah.
I don't know anybody that's for her.
Right, right.
Well, you see the events, and when she shows up there, there's 20 people basically that show up to see her.
And then when Trump does his rallies, you're pretty much filling Yankee Stadium.
Yeah.
Where are they getting these numbers?
They've got monkeys in a room typing on typewriters coming up with.
I don't know.
But even if he loses, what I think he's going to do.
Looking at the way the media has responded to this, I fully expect him to launch his own media enterprise.
I really think that he'd pull something like that.
You think I'm going to go away just because I lost?
No.
Right, exactly.
So, you know, either way, I think they're looking at a very different ballgame than they bargained on at this stage.
There's no question about it.
And a lot of their facades have fallen away also.
They've just been ruthless and completely non objective in this election cycle.
And, you know, we're talking about the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN.
These are supposedly prestigious media organizations.
And they just attack Trump and his followers like they did Bernie.
And his followers, and they just endlessly make apologies for Clinton, it's poor journalism.
And it's more like state controlled propaganda.
I kind of find that fascinating that it's just so bold faced, this favoritism.
And that represents a shift, in my opinion.
And we haven't really seen the shift before on this level.
I think it's a shift of fear.
Yeah, it is fear.
And as a result of their shifting like this, they're not only losing their objectivity, but as far as I can tell, they're losing.
Their readership, they're losing their listenership and viewers.
In a certain sense, they're cutting, they're falling on their sword for Hillary Clinton.
And in the long term, this does not benefit them.
You know, they're falling again, they're falling into Trump's hands because, like I say, if he loses the election, he's got the money to launch a media network, which I fully expect he will do.
Oh, yeah.
He's got the money.
He's got the brain trust to do it.
So they're cutting their own throats here.
I don't understand it.
Yeah.
Right.
I agree with you.
There's no way to make sense of this.
Well, it's as if they've taken the last vestiges of trust that people had in their reporting.
Now, the election is a dead heat.
They wanted a landslide for Hillary.
And they've been protecting her in this race, but the mask is falling away.
And with the scandals at the Clinton Foundation, some serious violations, I think.
And the average person is looking at this and thinking, the media is just lying at this point.
Now, the establishment is very worried.
And in order to cling to power, it seems to me they are drumming up division, looking for a civil war style kind of atmosphere.
And this is something that they throw out there as a trial balloon once in a while and then pull it back.
Test it out here and there, and I'm sure they're gathering data to see if they can pull that kind of thing off.
So, division and that kind of extreme division is a card I think they're considering at this point.
Oh, yeah.
They're floating lots of balloons right now vis a vis the Second Amendment.
They're floating lots of balloons vis a vis the alternative media and how to deal with it.
And the feedback that they're getting is just try it.
And the bad thing that they've got to take into account.
Again, is where are all these hacks coming from?
They're trying to blame the Russians.
This isn't floating.
I think it's got to give them pause that if there's a segment of the American deep state that is that pissed off at what they have done and what they're up to and who's behind them, they've got to be thinking, oh my word, we're exposed and now we're isolated.
Soros, Israel, and Hidden Factions00:06:11
You know, it's the George Soros Israeli thing.
You know, you've got the Jerusalem Post now saying all these things about Soros, and they're not complimentary.
You know, and it's a short telephone call from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv and the Mossad.
Right, yeah.
Not long distance.
So Soros has good reason to look over his shoulder, right?
Good reason to look over his shoulder, you know, if you've got somebody in the NSA or whatever leaking all his foundation emails.
And they're writing about it in Israel, I'd be a little concerned.
Yeah.
And the Russians banning his organization in Russia, yeah, I'd be concerned.
And, you know, and if you're Hillary Clinton and getting all the backing that she's getting from Soros and people like that, yeah, I'd be a little concerned if I were her, too.
Right, right.
It's just, Daniel, in all of my years, I've never seen politics this nutty.
Yeah.
I mean, I thought it was nutty with Johnson and Goldwater.
I know, they seem tame by comparison.
Yeah, they seem tame by comparison.
This is nuts.
Well, there's something interesting going on in this election.
And it goes back to something that you've said about a portion of the deep state attempting to expose Hillary, expose Soros, and also exposing the media.
Now, a couple years back, we had the whistleblower Edward Snowden revealing illegal surveillance of U.S. citizens by the NSA.
And it's never been explained how one guy just happened to pull off, you know, revealing this much clandestine activity all by himself.
So I have no doubt that he was part of a larger operation to get these things out.
Apparently, he was sincere in wanting to reveal this, but there's a much wider organization somewhere that had to have supported his efforts.
Yes.
Yeah, I agree.
I think there's organization behind Julian Assange, I think there's organization behind Snowden.
It may even be one and the same organization.
The fact that Snowden went to Russia and Russia gave him asylum raises my suspicion meter into the red zone.
But if there is an organization like that, I think it's just by the dynamics of what we've seen happen with those two and what we see happening now.
In the American political campaign, I think first of all, the organization is international in character.
In other words, it's not simply a reaction of a certain segment of the American deep state.
I think it's a reaction of a certain segment within the globalization crowd that is not happy with, number one, the very dark agendas that.
The standard names, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, you know, they're not happy with the direction they see that old guard trying to move.
They're not happy with the centralization part of it.
They're not happy with all of this open borders stuff.
They don't know what else to do.
Right.
Catherine Fitz and I, she was here visiting last night, and we talked a lot about this whole thing.
And her take is kind of the same that there's something going on here, and there's some pushback coming from within that community that is trying to get these dark influences, the Soros's, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, out of the picture and move it in a different direction.
So I wouldn't be surprised that you have some sort of covert arrangement.
With the Russians, with the Israelis, with some of the European nations trying to fight all of this.
I go back to something very significant that is a clue in this regard, and that's the op ed piece in The Economist last July, where The Economist, at the time, you remember, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush were the front runners.
Right, they were on top.
So the op ed piece in The Economist magazine, which we must remember, is first of all, it's a Rothschild mouthpiece, it's the mouthpiece for the British.
Deep state for the British oligarchy.
And the op ed piece was basically saying, You're running these guys again?
Can't you come up with something new?
Is your political class that calcified?
You cannot do anything else?
So, in other words, they're telling us in that op ed piece, We're very dissatisfied at the way you people across the pond are running things and the direction you're going.
So, I wouldn't even be a bit surprised, Daniel, if You stirred this pot long enough, this organization that's doing all of this.
If you found a healthy dose of MI5 and MI6 people involved in the United Kingdom, I think this is what's got them spooked.
Because if they're reading the same tea leaves, they're thinking, oh my word, we've exposed ourselves now so much in the way we're handling Trump and all of this business.
We've got to go for broke.
And that's kind of scary, too, in and of itself.
That they're reacting, like you say, out of fear.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Well, a good thing to point out here is that you tend to have a subtext in some of your books that is almost prophetic at times.
And I mean, it's analytical in nature, but you seem to find the trends early.
Trump Campaign Mafia Connections00:06:32
And now you did this third way book last year, which had a major section on Senator McCarthy and the close relationship that he had to Roy Cohn.
Yes.
And these things were going on in the 50s.
Right.
Now, in there, you showed how that.
Period segued into the rise of the Kennedys and that whole era, and how the Kennedys were on a number of these committees that were trying to figure out the nature of the force that was taking control of different aspects of the government at the time or making a pretty good guess at it.
And the connections with Roy Cohn and these committees and McCarthy I find really fascinating now.
Because if we reflect on Cohn, and he was such a major player in that era, and those really deep connections are really showing through there.
And for another 40 years, he went on to do this.
Now, he was a political mentor to Trump and his lawyer.
And that brings us to this kind of fascinating idea that you've raised that we could be looking at the mafia and their deep state influence as the force behind the Trump candidacy.
I think that at least you have to entertain the possibility for the reason that if you go back to the mafia's connections with the federal government, this goes back to World War II.
When Bill Donovan made the deal between the OSS and Lucky Luciano to use the mob connections inside fascist Italy to report on Italian movements and so on and so forth, what Mussolini's government was up to and so on.
So there was a deep nexus that occurred between the mafia at that time and the American intelligence community.
And that continues after the war.
The problem here is.
I think what Trump represents to a certain extent, you know, he's made his money in casinos.
We know well the connection between the mafia and casinos because casinos were used in large part to launder their money.
Right.
So I think what you're looking at with Trump, or at least you have to entertain the possibility, is even though the American mafia is involved in the international drug trade and so on, there are.
Involved in the casino industry and so on.
What you're looking at with the mafia is nonetheless a group of people that, in spite of their criminal background, are patriotic.
They do genuinely like this country.
They want to defend it.
Again, using Lucky Luciano as the example here, running his spy operation for the OSS from prison.
How does this work?
But anyway.
If you're the mafia, then, and you have taken a hit in your casinos from Obamacare and all the other things that have eradicated the middle class's discretionary spending, if you're taking that kind of hit and you're seeing the people behind it are these international globalists, well, what do you do?
You back a candidate that wants to put an end to that, that says no to all of this globalism, open borders, TTP, and all of this stuff.
But they can't do it alone.
This is why I think it's very interesting about this scenario with all these leaks.
Yes.
Because by the same token, the leaks themselves indicate that somebody has an intelligence background that knows how to go into these places, get their emails, and put them out so that everybody can ignore them in the mainstream media as they've been doing or trying to do.
So, yeah, I think Trump is perhaps.
If you look at him and the way he has handled his campaign and the way he has handled his opponents, dropping the little zingers in that he has dropped in during the Republican primary, the business about 9 11, you know, just zinging Jeb Bush with statements that literally came right out of the 9 11 truth movement.
And they tried to tar him with that brush in response to this, and it didn't get anywhere.
Yeah.
You know, Jeb Bush dropped like a rock after that comment.
And then zinging Ted Cruz with the business about his father and JFK.
And again, you know, days after this happens, Cruz drops out, his financial support withered, and he was out.
Absolutely.
So, what that tells me is that there's somebody in the Trump campaign that is a liaison for all of this intelligence that he plops into at certain key timed moments that he plops into his statements and speeches.
And my only guess is it has to be coming either from the mafia or from the American intelligence community, and probably both.
Right.
So, in other words, The way I'm looking at this election, Daniel, I'm looking at it as a prime example of what I've been calling for years factional infighting amongst the Mr. Global crowd.
And I've told people over and over again that they need to get out of their minds this idea that there's all one huge overarching conspiracy that one particular group is the master controller of, be it the Zionists or the Freemasons or the bankers or what have you.
What you're dealing with is a mafia.
These people can all gather around their conference tables and smoke their cigars and sip their brandy and kiss each other's rings and anything else, you know, and plot world domination.
But as they near the end game, the closer they get to their goal, the more the factional infighting is going to increase because each faction wants to be the faction in charge.
Factions Battling for World Domination00:04:08
And that's what I think is going on.
I think this election is.
The international globalists, the centralizers, the neocons are the Hillary people.
And the people that say, no, we've tried your way, it's not working, let's go another way, let's try the decentralized approach, you know, and that's the faction behind Trump.
You know, I don't think, in other words, what I'm saying is, I don't think the Donald Trump candidacy was just a lark that he got in his head one day.
Oh, well, by the way, I'm going to run for president.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm tired of building casinos.
No, this guy doesn't operate that way.
I mean, come on, he's too smart for this.
Right.
So, you know, I think there's something else going on behind his candidacy that nobody has really looked at.
Absolutely.
I completely agree.
And I'm sure it explains why the media is showing their real face here.
Now, when we come back, we'll take a closer look at these factions that are battling.
Last round of part one coming up here with Dr. Farrell.
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And we are back.
This is Dark Journalist.
And I'm speaking with Oxford scholar Dr. Joseph Farrell.
Now, Dr. Farrell is the author of the popular Giza Death Star book series.
His two new books this year are Hidden Finance Rogue Networks and Secret Sorcery, which is mostly about his investigation of the deeper context of 9 11, which we did a three part series on at darkjournalist.com.
And his latest one is Rotten to the Common Core about the surveillance state getting into education.
Which is our next episode with him.
Now, today we've been taking a more penetrating look at this unusual presidential election of 2016 and what's happening behind the scenes.
Now, Joseph, we were getting sort of a good look at these different factions battling this election.
And the question is are we seeing a split in the deep state?
Deep State Split and Brexit Parallels00:11:38
I think, you know, it's factional infighting.
What we're seeing with these two is factional infighting, just like what we saw with the Brexit vote.
We're seeing it now, you know, spreading in Europe.
It's going to be very interesting regardless of who wins.
I don't think, personally, I think if Hillary wins, she's going to be one of the weakest presidents in American history.
I mean, think John Tyler or Millard Fillmore here.
Definitely.
I think she's going to be one of the weakest presidents simply because she's so corrupt, so blackmailable.
I predict within two weeks of her taking office, her administration is going to be so rejected.
Because of this fact, she's too blackmailable by foreign powers.
And you think corruption has been bad under Bush, too, and Obama?
Just wait, folks.
I really do.
And because of that weak presidency, I think you're going to see the polarization in this country reach pre revolutionary levels, quite frankly.
Wow.
I really do.
You know, the Princeton study last year said that, yeah, America's in a pre revolutionary state.
It's so badly polarized.
I listened to Vice President Biden, and I'll give you an example of what I mean by polarization here.
I listened to a short speech by Vice President Biden, I forget where he was doing this, just a couple of days ago, I think, and it was about a two, two and a half minute clip.
And he was talking about communities.
Well, the white community is going to be the minority, and that's not a bad thing, and there's the women's community and the black.
Community and the Muslim community and the LGBT community and community, community, community.
Okay, you know, everybody's in community.
Yeah, but what I never heard him mention when I think of community, I think of my neighborhood, I think of a place.
What these people are talking about is a collective, right?
And when you make it all abstract, that is the old divide and conquer method.
And that's what he was doing, he was talking the language of divide and conquer.
He wasn't talking about genuine communities here in this locale.
And you listen to Trump in some of his speeches, and this is what he's doing.
He's trying to locate a community sense with people.
He's not talking in the glittering abstractions.
I see.
So that tells me okay, he's been listening to a bunch of people or advisors that are telling him this globalist centralization, multinational corporations are going to run it all.
Thing is not the way to go.
And now that he's put that meme out there, it's not going to disappear if he loses.
It's only going to grow.
He's talking Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orban's language over in Europe.
He's saying the same thing.
And the way I view that, Daniel, that's not so much nationalism or populism as it is national sovereignty talk.
Right.
And that's what the globalists hate.
They don't want that.
They don't want national sovereignties.
They don't want you and me to be free individuals and sovereign.
And that's what he's tapping into.
I think Hillary, on the other hand, represents that crowd.
She certainly caters to it.
And if what's coming out about the Clinton Foundation is any indicator, yeah, you know, she's not only catering to it, but in a certain sense, exposing that whole idea as nothing but a Great big huge global cabal of racketeering, influence peddling.
You know, it's a gang.
Definitely.
It's like her first day in office would be like Nixon's last day in office.
You know, I know.
Yeah, well, aptly said, I'm not a crook.
Well, in Hillary's case, I am a crook and there's nothing you can do about it.
Exactly.
It's just incredible.
Now, I want to go back to your third way book for a moment because you've pointed out in there.
That these post war influences of fascism and communism embedded themselves in the national security state, into the political life of the nation, and they've sought to assert power again.
And it seems now like the communist influence, as you just mentioned in Biden's weird speech about communities, that communist influence seemed to grow into that Obama, Biden, Clinton wing.
Oh, yeah.
It's always been more closely associated with the Democrats.
Than with the Republicans, which the opposite is true of the Republicans.
You have that fascist, what I call the Sullivan and Cromwell crowd.
Alan Dulles, John Foster, John McCoy, making all of their dirty deals with the Nazis, with Galen at the end of World War II.
So the Republicans aren't innocent here, folks.
Exactly.
What gets me, Daniel, talking about this election where things are so in your face, I mean, my word, we've got communists going.
Trying to show up and protest Trump rallies, and they're openly waving their communist flags.
This doesn't make the mainstream media, and they're throwing their support to Hillary.
What does that tell you?
Yeah, the reason I put that in the Third Way book, these committees, as I said, I think when we did that interview, was the way I'm looking at it, Daniel.
I don't think anybody has sat down to do a comprehensive history of.
Why in the world are we having all of these congressional investigations, Republican and Democrat, after World War II, dealing with shadowy influences in the federal government, be it McCarthy and his communists, or Kefauver and the mafia, or the Reese Committee with the foundations, which we'll probably get into today with the Common Core book?
There's all these committees.
Oh, yeah.
And no one has done a history of what really is going on here.
Why do we have all of these committees popping up investigating these little things?
And why has no one attempted to connect the dots between them?
So, what I suspect, as you've alluded to in your question, is that there may have been a perception that the two greatest national security threats that this country has faced in the last century communism and fascism were working behind the scenes during that era.
In conjunction with their American deep state, high finance backers in both camps, to orchestrate and maneuver themselves into positions of power and at the same time expose their opposite numbers.
Right.
Because, for example, you dig into McCarthy, Senator McCarthy, in Wisconsin, one of his big backers, financial backers, was this Wisconsin millionaire.
Openly pro fascist sympathies.
So, in other words, go get them, Joe, go get those commies, you know.
You had this working, and clearly he's getting intelligence from somewhere.
Yes.
In his investigative committees.
So, the thing I'm suggesting is yeah, I think these two factions are hidden, they're in the woodwork, so to speak, of the federal government, and they're trying to take out their opposite number.
And Lo and behold, here we are now in this election, and we see something similar happening.
We've got a Nazi collaborator in Darth Soros supporting his young apprentice, the Sith Lord Hillary.
And at the same time, she has all of these murky connections with the Chinese and so on and so forth.
And then we've got the other pissed off part of the American deep state represented.
Donald Trump.
So I'm like, it's the 50s.
Yeah.
Right.
I think you can draw a line from there.
Yeah, you can draw lines here.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Now, one thing you've identified that's interesting is if that American deep state intelligence network that was tied in with the mafia and the mafia itself is behind Trump's rise, then one of the key things could be the serious loss of revenue at casinos for other activities.
Obamacare and its premiums have eaten away at the disposable income of ordinary Americans.
That's a fact.
So here's this element of the mafia and the deep state saying, Hey, you and the international corporations cut us out of the pie.
Now you're going to have to pay for that.
Right.
It's Omer Ta.
Yeah.
You know, and I mean, come on, Roy Cohn.
Right.
This guy, I mean, you know, let's be honest here.
This guy was a piece of work.
Yeah.
You know, he had his fingers into just about every pie mafia related that you can think of.
And let's, again, let's be honest here.
Yeah, Donald Trump's a businessman.
He's a shrewd businessman.
He's made billions of dollars.
He's built his buildings and so on.
Well, come on.
You can't build a building in New York City without greasing a few palms in the unions with the mob, making the right donations to the right city council members and so on.
It just can't be done.
Right.
So he knows how this game is played.
He's got those contacts.
Roy Cohn is probably just the.
The surface part of it, the most visible part of it.
But, you know, he can't be in that business.
He cannot be in the casino business and not know who the players are.
So, yeah, I do think that Trump is not getting all of this intelligence on his own.
I just don't see that.
And even with his connection to Roger Stone, you know, Stone.
Would be the kind of man that would know who to talk to in the NSA or the CIA or the FBI to find out things.
So, yeah, I think Trump is a pissed off deep state faction candidate.
I really think it makes a lot of sense.
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And we'll go further into the geopolitical reasons for this and how interesting aspects of the military are joining his team while others are divided.
What's behind that?
Now, in part two, we're going to get into all this and we'll tie in how the surveillance state.
Is now in the middle of a takeover of the education system and how all this ties together.
So, subscribers to darkjournalist.com will get that episode next week, and it's really the time to subscribe with the discount ending soon.
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Joseph, thank you.
Amazing stuff today, and stay right there.
Let's drink some more coffee, and we'll do part two right now.
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