Catherine Austin Fitts exposes the "UFO Economy 2.0," alleging global elites use digital entrainment and robotics to harvest labor while draining social security funds. She details her $6 million legal battle against federal framing over mortgage fraud, connects California's SB 277 to church-state sabotage, and claims NASA's missing $500 billion fuels a covert space economy. Fitts argues that shunning corrupt figures and rejecting fear-based media are essential to resist a system where psychopaths exploit the populace, suggesting Earth functions as a REIT paying tithes to an unknown entity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Automation's Impact on Jobs00:14:17
Hi, this is Dark Journalist.
Today I'm excited to welcome back a popular guest, former Assistant Housing Secretary and the founder of the Solari Report, Catherine Austin Fitz.
Now, Catherine has the amazing ability to give us some unique perspectives on geopolitics and the secret system of finances penetrating to the very heart of the black budget.
Now, today Catherine will go even deeper than she has before to reveal the powerful crossroads that we find ourselves at in the 21st century.
We'll look at America from here to 2020.
Will it be creative freedom or mechanized tyranny?
The choice apparently is ours.
Here we go.
Katherine Austin Fitts.
America 2020.
Mr. Global's Master Plan.
The UFO Economy 2.0.
The financial harvesting is now occurring in a one on one basis.
If I can give you a smartphone and a computer and a television, and I can use entrainment and digital technology to manipulate you through those systems on a one on one basis, if I can basically put you in certain kinds of states and use that to sell you things or get you to make certain kinds of investments, then I can literally financially or politically harvest you.
I have never seen anything as dark.
So then the question becomes well, who's got the biggest weapons?
If you look at the UFO phenomenon, whoever owns and is operating that stuff is in control.
You know, it's not often we get to see how things really work in the global arena of politics, technology, and high finance.
Because of a control system we call the mass media, it's been harder to see the forces behind the obstacles to peace and prosperity in the 21st century here and around the world.
Occasionally, though, we do get some rays of sunlight through the dark terrain, like the work of today's guest, Catherine Austin.
Fits.
Now, one of the most valuable contributions that Catherine has made to the ongoing conversation is the idea that the future is ours to choose.
Let's go find out what she means by that.
Catherine, it's great to see you.
We have so many exciting new things to cover, and we'll do it all in the context of what I'm calling the UFO economy theme and your two most recent Solari reports Planet Debts and Infrastructure Conquest or Creation.
Two fascinating and very comprehensive reports.
Thank you.
But first, let's take a look at this Washington Post headline that says Minimum wage offensive could speed arrival of robot powered restaurants.
So, can you tell me what's going on with robotics and what they're planning on here?
You know, obviously the companies can get an enormous boost and benefit from using this automation.
But are we talking about, you know, robot bartenders and driverless taxis?
How far are they going to take this?
Potentially it's going to go very far.
You're looking at robotics everything.
Yeah.
So the question is is that dangerous?
Very dangerous.
I mean, that's why you're hearing these warnings about artificial intelligence.
Yeah.
Because, of course, the theory is that you create.
Hardware and software, and you give it artificial intelligence and it's useful.
You know, and the theory is you're going to keep it under human control.
And that asks all sorts of questions about the humans who control the robots versus the humans who don't.
But then there's, I think, a really serious issue of are the robots going to, you know, decide that they're smarter than we are and take control of all the humans?
I mean, there's serious risk issues.
So, this whole Skynet Terminator mythology is basically what we're looking at now.
And they had a vision of this about 25 years ago.
Well, have you ever watched Battlestar Galactica?
Yes.
You know, Battlestar Galactica is the story of the human race creating essentially robots and the robots organizing a revolt and killing all the humans.
Right.
And that, you know, that's basically.
Are we dealing with Battlestar Galactica issues?
It's coming, yes.
It is coming.
Well, it's an unnerving trend.
And I noticed in your report that you say they're really ramping it up now.
You know, the robotics are kicking in big time.
Right.
But why the great rush towards robotics now?
You know, do they feel that they need to do this fast before the public catches on to how it will affect their lives in the long run?
I think you're looking, you know, first we started to rebalance the global economy.
And because of the tensions of the geopolitics, There's a great deal, you know, moving everything abroad helped to bust the unions.
But now that the unions are, you know, pretty much busted, you can build up the automation here and bring a lot of that back.
And now it's economic to do that because, one, you've busted the unions, but two, you've brought the automation up to the next step.
Now, here's the reality if you look at the issues faced by a business owner who's looking at hiring another person versus automation, Um, you know, automation in many cases is clearly more attractive.
So, if you're a business owner, um, you know, automate anytime you can automate, it makes sense to do it.
Okay, I mean, that's the fundamental economics on the ground.
Our automation is making very powerful sense.
Now, I'm not saying that culturally a lot hasn't been done to cause humans to behave in ways that make them unattractive employees, right?
So that has happened.
But the reality is, once you let the technology out of the lab, it's a fait accompli.
And I, for one, think that humans have other things to do than sit around and do.
If you look at a lot of the jobs that Roberts are doing, I'd rather have kids studying philosophy than flipping out hamburgers at McDonald's.
Now, the problem is are we going to pay for them to, are we going to fund them to study philosophy?
Is the question, but there's no doubt that we are going to see very significant implementation.
Well, we're seeing it now.
At the industrial, you know, within the industrial application within business, you know, the integration of robotics is flying, you know, and you're going to start to see it more and more.
I think that one of the stories I posted was the first hotel in Japan, which is all robotics.
Right.
So, for example, if you're in Japan and you have a demographics winner, You don't have a lot of kids coming up.
Robotics makes enormous sense.
I see.
So, here's the thing it's coming because all the people who can integrate it into their business, it's a no brainer to do it.
It's very attractive to do it.
And if you don't do it, the guy who does it is going to beat you.
So, everyone's going to do it at high speed.
Well, it's very interesting.
And I know you've been talking about the outsourcing of white collar jobs in America.
And that's the next wave that's coming in.
And then we have this robotics.
That will be having a major impact on the regular job market.
And I start to wonder if we're outsourcing these white collar jobs and we replace the blue collar ones with automation, then where will the American worker fit in?
Well, it's worse than that because if you look at what Obamacare is going to do, Obamacare and Common Care are basically one plan.
And what you do is you standardize the process, so you standardize healthcare, you standardize education, and then you re engineer all of it into software and online systems.
Right.
And that way you can cut out the labor.
Okay.
So you're looking between Obamacare and Common Care at cutting out more than several trillion dollars worth of labor.
That's amazing.
Yeah, no, but you're basically taking two of the last parts of the local economy that produce any or support any kind of middle class employment, and you're going to squeeze a tremendous amount of it out.
It's very significant.
And very few communities understand what's coming, what's happening.
But that's going to be very, very significant.
And on top of the automation and the more outsourcing, now, what some of the debate about is well, it's no different than the industrial revolution.
So people are no longer needed on the farm, so they adapt and you create other things to do.
And so the question is we're going to break free a tremendous amount of capacity.
Where is that capacity going to go?
What's it going to do?
Yeah.
Because there are many things that need doing, but it's really a question of both markets and government policy.
Whether that, you know, I live in a place in the South where a lot of the capacity doesn't go anywhere.
It just gets social security, disability, and food stamps and, you know, goes down to Walmart and slowly gets poisoned to death.
Right.
I see what you mean.
So, in terms of planning their economic moves, the forces that are leading this charge don't even need to concern themselves with the labor part of the equation.
Those people who get thrown out of work, they'll collect some small check, maybe unemployment.
And for them, you know, that's basically the cost of doing business, getting rid of these people out of the workforce.
Well, there was some policy thought in the 90s, and maybe that's it.
But basically, let's give everybody a check for $600 a month.
They'll live on that.
And then we'll do everything, you know, abroad or with robots.
Right.
Now, if you look at disability and food stamps, I think they've got everybody on $1,500 a month or something.
But it's clearly headed down.
And I haven't looked into it yet, but apparently there's legislation because the disability fund is empty now, proposing to merge the trust fund with the disability fund so that instead of protecting the trust fund, which everybody's paid into, you just run it out on disability, which would, you know, if things keep going in the general direction, the demand would keep skyrocketing as automation came in.
So basically, rather than fund.
So, all the businesses are making money from automating, and all the robotics manufacturers are making money from making the robotics.
But essentially, you're stealing retirement savings from people who've invested it in the trust fund to finance that.
I see.
And you've got another serious fairness issue.
As if they haven't stolen enough already.
Oh, there's more to steal.
Exactly.
Well, I think about how all this relates to America in the 1980s.
We had all these people who worked.
In manufacturing, and couldn't have imagined that their factories would be outsourced on that dramatic a scale just 20 years later.
So, you know, all their jobs are shipped out through NAFTA and GATT.
Now, I'm starting to wonder about the American worker and what remains of the middle class and what they can't possibly imagine could happen to them through this automation.
And I'm starting to wonder what 2020 will look like in America if they're not on top of this vital issue.
If you're on top of the issue, there's lots of opportunity.
And by on top of the issue, you're learning new skills, you're growing, you're doing.
I mean, I worked on Wall Street, and every year or two, you know, the government would pass laws and put us out of business.
We just have to, you know, we had to constantly reinvent ourselves.
And that was just life, you know.
And so you were always trying to look ahead and say, where's it going and adapting quickly.
So what's interesting is you'll see lots of people throughout America, you know, some are rich and some are.
Poor, some are well educated, some are not, but they're all very successfully evolving what they do and how they do it.
Right.
You know, so I see people all over the country who are doing fantastic, but they are staying on top of it.
Yeah.
I think you just have to be really good at change.
You have to be really, you know, you have to be a learner, you have to be curious, you have to be willing to adapt and not to take it personally.
You know, so you see a lot of people like that.
Other people, you know, Have very different reactions and they just kind of get run over.
You know, they stay in some place.
It's like the water's rising and they don't get in the boat, you know.
Right.
They just end up drowning.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And drowning with this amount of change going on seems more likely somehow if you don't adapt than at other times.
But the opportunities are there.
And as you pointed out, you seem to be trying to stress what these opportunities are.
And that people can learn to adapt and even take advantage of some of the changes that are happening.
But I always wonder about cycles.
And it brings me back to a conversation we had once about this point in the 90s where the leadership was making a decision about whether or not to invest in the public or move all the money out of the country.
Moving Money Out of Country00:02:34
And they went with moving all the money out of the country.
So it feels like now you may be saying, with this conquest aspect, that the challenge that is going on for Mr. Global is what is he going to do?
You know, is he going to build things up or destroy them?
And that's what I got from your most recent report.
You know, is he going to go on a war footing or is he going to invest in new infrastructure and actually have a totally different effect on society?
And it seems that perhaps that choice is there again.
The cycles come around like it was 20 years ago.
And last time they decided to ship the money and the opportunities out of the country.
Maybe now we're looking at a similar point.
Well, you have a problem.
If you've stolen $40 trillion and let's presume you're not going to spend all of it off in space.
You now are sitting on top of an enormous control of resources and you need things to work.
And so the skills that you use to steal that money are different than you use to manage it.
Right.
Okay.
So if you rob a bank and you steal the money, you want to pay people who are good at stealing.
If you are now the bank and you need to manage that money, then you can't run it with the people you had stealing.
Very different kind of person, right?
Yeah, totally different staff.
A different staff.
So, you know, if we have a leadership problem in America, you know, people who've risen during the stealing, you know, during the stealing time and during the bubble, you know, they're good at managing things in a bubble, but we don't, we're not in a bubble anymore.
And it's going another way.
And what you're, part of what you're seeing in the body electorate is, you know, the, the, There is a frustration in America, and the frustration is coming from the competent and the able.
You have all across America competent, able people, and they're looking at leadership.
And basically, they're looking at lawyers who are good at writing laws and making up rules and rigging policy and rigging legislation, and bridges are falling down.
And I quoted that great interview I did with Lawrence Wilkerson.
You know, Wilkerson is a highly competent person.
George Tenet and Free Speech00:14:19
And he's looking in the areas that he knows.
So he's looking at the Navy, what the Navy needs.
And, you know, there are serious issues and they need to be dealt with.
And he was chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell.
So a powerful position there.
You know, but if you look at the power that he had when he worked for the Joint Chiefs, or if you look at the power he had when he was working for the Secretary of State, I mean, this is a man who really knows.
A great deal about the governance of the United States and is very competent, very capable, and has been in a lot of different firefights, whether physical firefights or political firefights.
Anyway, and he knows where power comes from and where it goes.
And he knows that you can't, we've built a platform that's created a lot of power, but if you don't reinvest in that platform, it's going to fall apart.
Right.
And you're watching childishness across the entire society, which is truly frightening.
I mean, the candidates and the electorates sort of, you know, so we can talk about the Donald Trump phenomenon, but that's a very scary phenomenon because, you know, and it's very clever the way it's being used.
So if you're trying to engineer Jeb Bush into the presidency, it's very clever.
So create a sideshow that's a good distraction for real issues?
Well, you white out all the.
All the can you know, you've got a group of young candidates who could really do some harm to Bush, and um, and you wipe them out, yeah, and you you wipe them out, and you you basically take the electorate instead of the electorate getting interested in a young, up and coming politician who really could make change, you engineer them into sort of an entertainment mode where they process their grief,
and then when everybody says, okay, well, you know, obviously, we can't make this man president, you know.
Jeb Bush is the only one with the money to be left standing.
Right, right.
So it's very, very clever.
Well, it's an excellent political strategy.
And I do feel that what you're saying about Trump is important because one of the issues that Trump gained so much traction on was illegal immigration.
Right.
Now, they must have been doing some polling to tap into voters' frustration about that, you know, in lieu of a sluggish job market.
So it seems Trump went after it in this very un PC way and got some traction.
But since that's untenable rhetoric, really, for a general election, That supports your point that he's there somehow to help Bush and prop him up.
Well, from looking at the latest reports on Trump, I think they're using entrainment.
I mean, I think you're watching a significant entrainment effort to support Trump.
Uh huh.
And I do think it's coming out of a group that wants to see Bush president.
Interesting.
Is my guess.
Because you're whiting out, this is the period in which the young politicians, the Rubio's, the Ted Cruz, the Rand Paul could really dig in and engage with an angry electorate about the issues.
Right.
And instead, what's happening is they're running a process where entertainment is helping people process their anger, but it's not ever going to go into anything having to do with policy.
And it's going to support the argument for greater control by the elites, because everyone around the world is looking at America and saying, okay, well, you.
Can't trust the American citizens to govern anything there.
You know, democracy really doesn't work.
It's just a circus.
Right, right.
So it makes a good argument for centralized control.
Frankly, it makes a great argument for canceling Social Security.
Oh, yeah, I see.
I mean, if you want to dilute someone's political power, make them look like a fool, and then it's much easier to abrogate your contracts.
So I'm saying it a little bit.
I wrote a commentary that's up on the website called Are You Not Entertained?
There's a great scene in The Gladiator.
Have you ever seen the movie The Gladiator?
Oh, yeah.
Where he's informed that he has to win the crowd.
So he gets up, walks into the Coliseum, and kills everybody before the other gladiators have a chance to get up.
So he kills like 20 guys by himself, and then he throws a sword up at the elites and screams, Are You Not Entertained?
And so, what I said in the commentary is, you know, I hope you are enjoying this entertainment because it's not funny.
It's dangerous.
Yeah, definitely.
This is serious business.
And, you know, I don't pretend that the President of the United States really runs the country, but nevertheless, the President of the United States is the face of the brand.
And if you think you can continue to be the world reserve currency in a system described as a democracy where citizens think this is acceptable, you know, that's very dangerous.
And what a fascinating contrast it is with the last major independent candidacy, which was Ross Perot.
And if we snapshot that campaign from 20 years ago and bring it up to the present, you know, with the serious nature of his candidacy and the important trade subjects that he brought up versus this Trump phenomena, it's really shocking to see how the discourse has downgraded that much in terms of what's acceptable for an independent style candidacy to be viable.
And, you know, I know technically he's a Republican.
Right.
Now, you did mention entrainment in there, and that makes me think of this very interesting story that you've mentioned before.
And just to get everyone on board with this entrainment idea, you once went to a conference where George Tenet, the Bush Jr. CIA director, was speaking.
And some interesting things happened to you, which really will give the key to entrainment.
So, can you share that experience with us now?
Sure.
It was an investment conference, it was an old conference in New Orleans.
And I had dealt with entrainment before, but never in a conference kind of setting.
And it was funny because I was out in Hawaii being briefed about entrainment, I was with a scientist.
Who was briefing me on a series of issues, one of which was entrainment?
And he was showing me how it works on TV at a big flat screen TV and was giving me all these.
And I later had him come do a Soleri report on entrainment because I was so concerned.
I was struggling with it being used in money situations, encouraging people to invest both in liquid securities or in private equity in a way that made no sense.
And so I would have clients coming to me wanting to buy something that was clearly ludicrous, but they were completely.
You know, in a state of rapture about the thing.
And you were, you know, you really, even using cold math, it was a struggle to get them out of it.
Anyway, so I really got concerned that my clients were losing money over this.
And so I asked them to do a great Solari report.
You know, all Solari report subscribers are heavily lobbied by me to listen to it.
Sort of the protect yourself from the protect your money from mind control.
Oh, yeah.
Solari report.
Anyway, but I had read when I had studied, I'd done a whole series on Enron.
When Enron was going on, because I was looking for the $4 trillion that was going missing from the federal government.
And I finally came upon a theory that they were laundering it through Enron, is what I believe.
Anyway, so I'm studying Enron.
And then when Enron imploded, I got all sorts of transcripts from various people on some of the analyst meetings they'd had.
And when I read, you know, I'd look at the PowerPoint and I'd read the transcript and I'd think there's nothing great here.
But the analyst would just get so unbelievably excited.
And I realized, oh my God, they're using entrainment technology at these analyst meetings.
And no, that's my theory.
I can't prove that.
But it's the only way to explain the phenomena.
And it certainly fit with what I was dealing with with clients who were having it used in that case on the phone or on the internet.
Anyway, or on TV.
So I go into this conference and I'm late to the.
Big grand ballroom speeches.
So we had Dick Army speaking in the George Tenet.
And I opened the doors to the grand ballroom, and Army's already speaking.
And this wave comes over me, Daniel.
When I tell you, I was like, holy cow.
So I thought, this is going to be interesting.
I'm going to get to experience it in a speech.
So I walk in, and there was a great guy there from New Jersey, very successful entrepreneur who really was very grounded and had, you know, smart guy, hard to trick.
And so I thought, I'm going to sit next to him because, you know, I've got to be very careful.
Not to let this stuff sway.
So I take notes and I keep having like this thing running in my mind.
There's entrainment, I have to be careful.
There's entrainment, I have to be careful.
I'm taking notes.
And at one point, I put my head down just to really get the line written down.
And everyone started clapping.
And I suddenly dropped my pen and started clapping and turned to the next guy and said, Isn't he wonderful?
No, he's not.
He's terrible.
What am I doing?
You know, it was stunning to me because I know, I knew.
What's going on?
And everyone was like in a state of rapture.
Isn't he wonderful?
Isn't he wonderful?
So at the end of Army's speech, they start taking questions from the audience.
And I thought, oh my God, they're going to let me ask questions.
So George Tenet comes up, and George Tenet had just left the CIA.
And of course, George Tenet had been CIA director, I guess, during the 9 11.
Anyway, his speech was on the legislation they were trying to pass.
I forget what the name was.
The theory being it could coordinate the enforcement and intelligence more closely.
And his speech was all about the failure of 9 11, was a failure to coordinate, which I don't agree with, but that was his speech.
And anyway, so the whole time I'm thinking, oh my God, they're going to let me ask him a question.
So the crowd isn't just in this state of rapture.
Isn't he wonderful?
The whole world, I don't know if you have ever experienced this stuff where it's really strong.
You know, everything feels like it's resonating.
Yeah.
It's resonating very powerfully.
And in the meantime, I'm trying to figure out how they are delivering it.
I mean, it has to be electronic, but how are they delivering it?
So I get up.
They start to take questions at the end of Tenet's speech.
So I get up, and naturally, I'm the first question.
So I said, Mr. Tenet, of course, he knows who I am.
I said, Mr. Tenet, my name is Catherine Austin Fitz.
Can you explain why the Air Force stood down four times on 9 11?
And suddenly, it's like the whole trance broke.
He turned bright red.
Now, In political speaking, you know, speech making, when you get a question you don't want to answer, you're taught.
I was taught for years, I was part of a surrogate speaking program, and we were taught by Roger Ailes and his guys, you know, sort of how to speak on behalf of the Republican Party.
When you get a question you don't want to answer, the first thing you say is you say something very solicitous and warm and wonderful to the person Daniel, thank you.
That is such an excellent question.
And then you pull a complete non sequitur and you answer the question you wish you'd got.
Right, right.
So you are nice to the person because you can't be mean.
That's terrible.
And then you proceed to just ignore the question.
So Tannen apparently didn't get the course.
He froze.
He turned bright red.
They clearly thought they had an aced audience.
I think they just thought, you know.
And then he said, well, my dear, in a very sarcastic, dripping tone.
And that just like broke the trance everywhere.
Everybody was like, scared.
What's the matter?
Whoa.
And he said, Well, my dear, perhaps you didn't notice I was the head of the CIA, not the head of the Air Force.
Maybe you should ask the Air Force.
Now, that's what a bureaucrat says.
It's not me, it's him.
Go look, you know, this thing.
And everybody's looking at him because it completely contradicts what he said, which is we need more coordination.
Exactly.
Okay, so for him to say, I don't know, I wasn't in the Air Force, not my business, you know, this.
Yeah.
So they said, the guy is afraid, the guy is, and suddenly everybody, but it just broke the trance.
Yeah, well, no more spell.
And my feedback for months after that, first of all, tenant, Then proceeded to give a series of speeches about why we needed to regulate the internet.
And there were too many people out there saying ridiculous things on the internet.
So it was sort of an anti free speech thing.
But then the other thing was I had many, many people come back and say it completely changed the perspective of the audience that they had seen he was afraid and they dug in and probably as a result of that bought more gold.
Wow.
So the goalkeepers were all thrilled with what I'd done because they were doing more business.
Anyway, but it was remarkable.
I've been in speeches where I've seen it used since then, and it was a remarkable experience in terms of how powerful this stuff can be if people don't know it exists.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Well, and you think about the fact that they've had subliminal programming since the 50s at least.
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We can imagine how powerful this stuff is now because the entrainment technology.
Is so sophisticated.
And I guess that brings us to your vision of mind control as a kind of regular function of how many of these groups operate.
You know, whether we're talking about corporate, government, or institutional forces, when they need to accomplish something, they'll employ something like entrainment technology to get it done.
And that is mind control.
Right.
Well, you see mind control throughout our society.
So when we go to church, you know, the pastors are trained to sort of build a crowd in certain ways and come together.
And you could argue that that's mind control, but I think the whole art of manipulation and persuasion is very, very significant.
And what I tried to talk about in the second quarter or in the first quarter wrap up was the extent to which it's being brought down to a one on one basis, because the financial harvesting is now occurring in a one on one basis.
And if I can give you a smartphone and a computer and a television and I can use entrainment and digital technology, To manipulate you through those systems on a one on one basis using artificial intelligence.
So, we don't need a human being.
We don't have to pay a human being on the other side to do this.
We can do this all with software and databases and artificial intelligence.
But if I can basically put you in certain kinds of states and use that to sell you things or get you to make certain kinds of investments, then I can literally financially or politically harvest you, get you to support certain policies.
And that, you know, so let's say I want to dramatically make a fortune on prison stocks.
I can get you to support.
You know, mandating much longer sentences so my prison stocks fly up.
You know, it's on and on and on and on, but it's happening now at a one on one basis.
Right.
And it's fascinating because we'll never hear that as the question in the media.
You know, are we being manipulated to accept certain things?
We'll hear more the debate about the thing itself, you know, whatever social issue it happens to be.
So that's one of the things you've brought up in the latest report.
And I think it's very interesting is that everywhere you were turning in the media, you were seeing these discussions about infrastructure.
So, how does this trend play into this scenario?
Do you think they're pushing this concept now because they're making some big plans there?
Well, it's coming in a variety of ways.
If you look at North America, we have underinvested in the overt infrastructure.
And if you look at the emerging markets, if they're going to continue their growth, they have to make big investments.
And the other thing is, we can either build or fight.
If you look at all the companies that are off, You know, making things to fight or making money on fight, we are all better off swinging them over to building things.
Yeah.
So if you look at the economy, it is a no brainer.
If you don't start investing in what we need in terms of growth and in terms of what we need in re engineering the infrastructure for the changes in technology, for increased population, on and on and on, we either build the future or we go to war.
If you, I'm grossly oversimplifying, but so.
So, the pressure you're seeing infrastructure come up for a lot of reasons.
One is there's a lot of deferred infrastructure here.
Two, the emerging markets desperately need to build infrastructure going forward.
Three, new technology changes what you can do and how you can do it.
So, the opportunities are enormous.
And I think it's coming up for all of those reasons.
And what's interesting is it's an area where many different people can align in a positive way.
So, You know, Mr. Global is pushing infrastructure in certain ways.
I'm pushing infrastructure.
You know, it's a place we can agree on.
Right.
Now, when you break that down and say, what's the priority within infrastructure, that's a whole other issue.
But I just think there's an alignment happening around infrastructure.
And if you look at the capacity you're breaking free with robotics, the more capacity you break free, the more capacity you have to then do all that infrastructure.
Right.
And you're saying that infrastructure has an impact on the culture itself.
You know, that one thing that great societies have understood in our past, from Greece to the Renaissance, is you can transform a people and give them hope and a sense of pride and inspiration.
So that is the side that you're supporting.
And, you know, I imagine there's a lot of employment and economic growth that comes with that.
So that's the good side.
What is the kind of, you know, evil downside that Mr. Global is pushing with the robotics and the control on this?
You know, so what is the dark side of this infrastructure development?
Well, of course, it depends on what you do and how you do it.
So, you know, if all the money goes into building a platform for space while you continue to allow the general infrastructure that the people use to deteriorate, you know, some would say that that's very dark.
You know, another problem is, you know, we don't know what's going on underground.
But one of the questions is, you know, you're seeing throughout history, whenever you've seen society gather a lot of momentum and energy to build big infrastructure.
You see slave labor.
And the reality is whether mind control or people disappearing down into underground bases, one of the questions I have is what is the prevalence of slave labor in all of this?
And that's a concern.
So there are dark sides to this stuff.
And of course, you can implement an infrastructure that makes totalitarianism easier because you're building surveillance systems into everything.
Right.
You know, the build out of smart meters and the smart grid is basically much more of a surveillance and control system.
So, there are definitely issues within infrastructure.
So it sounds like the implementation of this developing trend could go either way.
Now, I know you're a big fan of the documentary Engineering an Empire.
And, you know, I agree.
We need to keep in mind just how healthy and symbolic it has been in the past for America to build the future through the infrastructure.
You know, I came out of a world, Daniel, where infrastructure was one of the most exciting things there was.
You know, infrastructure was hot, it was sexy, it was, you know, because infrastructure is what gives the human race leverage.
Yeah.
You know, it makes us powerful and we can do wonderful things.
I think that's one of the reasons, you know, that Elon Musk gets attention because he'll come out with the, you know, the hyper, what's it called, the maglev trains or hyperloop.
Right.
You know, and he's talking about reinvigorating Solar City.
It's talking about reinvigorating and re energizing the infrastructure.
You know, so he's making infrastructure sexy again.
But, you know, I came out of a world where everybody wanted to know about it and talk about it because that's where real power came from.
Exactly.
Infrastructure.
And one of the things that amazed me when I first started to do things publicly and work with individuals as opposed to companies was somehow infrastructure had turned into something really, you know, that put people to sleep in 30 seconds or less.
Right, right.
Yeah, when I first started doing Coast to Coast, you know, I talked to talk, I tried to talk about things like infrastructure and everyone, you know, no interest.
Everybody wanted to, you know, talk about ghosts and what was flying up in the UFOs.
It's like, Oh, God.
Yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
That is fascinating, though, because culturally you would think we'd be very excited about new infrastructure, you know.
But you make a good point also, which is, you know, talking about bridges falling down and stuff, then we could see something like Mr. Global getting involved with re engineering infrastructure, they create these bridges that, you know, read license plates and everyone has to check in and it becomes that much more part of the centralization.
Yeah.
Right.
It is interesting because I like that idea that both the kind of dark and light sides align around it.
I'm just trying to really size up how you can spot who's coming from where, I guess, in this new development.
Well, you know, once you really dig in and study the economy, what you discover is the light and dark threads through everything.
You know, it's funny, I was talking to a wonderful person yesterday, and they were thinking that if you left your corporate job and went off to a Latin American country to grow, That you were going to get away from the corruption.
And I had to help them understand no, it's everywhere.
It's everywhere, right.
You know, so you can deal with the corruption of farmers, or you can deal with the corruption of corporate guys, or you can, you know, it's the light and darkest threaded through everything.
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There is no way.
Now, I'm not saying that it's not easier to deal with the corruption when you're dealing in a low cost area where your purchasing power is greater than it is here.
So I'm not saying that, but.
But there's no such thing as getting away from the corruption because it is literally now integrated into every economy in the globe.
Right, right, right.
It's threaded right through there.
Right.
What's very interesting to me is in all of this, even though your reports recently are so globally minded and you have such a good focus on it, I keep going back to the American middle class in my mind because it seems to me that's a very powerful.
Block that's shrinking that should be kind of protecting what little power it has left and building it back up.
How are they going to get into a position?
Do you think?
Is there a way at this point for them to get back into a position where they can call the shots on what housing prices are?
They can call the shots on jobs emerging in their communities?
I mean, is that mechanism there, or because of the globalization, is the idea of the American middle class having that kind of independent power just a past myth now?
I don't think it's a past myth.
I think the question is before.
You can see real change, they have to be able to reach a consensus and they have to be prepared to act in ways which are very individually dangerous unless they act together.
Right.
And the only potential issue I've seen that could bring them together in that way is Common Core.
Okay.
You know, Obamacare started to.
If you look at the real. Agenda behind Obamacare and Common Core, I have never seen anything as dark.
And the reality is it's slowly being implemented in a way that many people can't grasp the ultimate darkness of it.
They can't fathom it.
So it's kind of sneaking up on them.
Now, there's tremendous backlash and anger about Obamacare, tremendous backlash and anger against Common Core.
But what's interesting is if you look and listen to the backlash, they still don't get the bigger picture.
And they don't get it together.
So, because the problem, you know, essentially what's happening is education and healthcare being the process is being standardized so that you can re engineer everything into software and digital systems and squeeze out all the labor and through that take control.
So, you take control economically and you basically mandate people to have to pay for something.
That doesn't work to their interest.
It works against their interest.
It works for your interest at central control.
It's a forced monopoly.
You're making people pay for something they don't want in a way that basically turns them and their children into resources for your economic process.
Right, right.
They become no different.
It's no different than drilling for oil.
They become livestock, and that's, or certainly the kids become livestock.
And what you're going to do to those kids is so dark.
It's very, because you're engineering a lot of them to fail.
It certainly looks like you're planning on having robots do everything and most of the kids not really be able to do anything.
So if enough people realized where this was really going and how dark it was, then I think you could see still the American middle class come together.
But you need the people coming together who have the ability to get things done.
Definitely, yeah.
And you need them to stop thinking that it's fun, you know, that Donald Trump is funny.
Right, yeah, I can see that.
Right.
I suppose that the GMO and excessive vaccine push that's been going on is part of that, actually.
So it fits the pattern there again.
You know, they have the same thrust you're going to wind up paying for something that's going to take you down.
And in essence, you'll be forced to pay for something you don't want.
Right.
Now, do you think the controversy around vaccines and GMO food could be the trigger issues that wake up the sleeping giant of the American public?
Here's the GMO.
I think part of GMOs is if you're going to have a digital currency, you need a way to use an asset other than oil and gas.
Okay.
The dollar's been on an oil standard, and I think there's been an effort over the last.
30 years to establish control of the food system globally.
I think that's one of the reasons they did the Uruguay round, tried to do the Doha round.
They're trying to establish food subject to intellectual property rights and all this kind of stuff and get control of the food system.
I think GMO is part of that.
Whether or not it's part of the dumbing down, I don't know, but it's certainly, GMOs, from what I can tell, is certainly implementing depopulation.
Yeah.
It was the only way I can say it.
So, whether the agenda is more than just control of the food system, whether it's depopulation, maybe, may or not.
It's interesting, Daniel.
I've gone back and I have read and studied a great deal on vaccines.
And I've tried to figure out what the deal is on vaccines.
I don't know.
You know, I have a whole bunch of theories.
There's no doubt in my mind that they're unbelievably harmful, particularly.
Part of it is the extraordinary number that are now being given.
If you look at the vaccine schedule that hits a young child, I mean, basically you're talking about destroying their immune system at a very young age.
Well, they went from four to 40 in over just a 20 year period.
Right.
And these contain highly toxic material.
And I don't know if you've just watched the latest issue with the CDC scientists coming out and admitting that they destroyed evidence of harm.
Right.
Yeah.
So it's all based on junk science.
There's no doubt in my mind.
But what they're trying to accomplish with it, I'm not 100% certain.
One of my theories is you're literally trying to create someone who can be a functional worker, but who literally can't connect the dots.
It's almost like you're trying to kill their intellectual capacity to integrate and connect.
So, they can't resonate with other people and other living things.
They can only.
Right.
So, you're truly deadening their electromagnetic intelligence.
That is fascinating, creating an automaton.
There is that link to autism from certain types of vaccines.
And autism certainly fits that profile of not being able to relate to other people.
And, of course, we get some of that through technology also.
So, it can create a disassociation that can desensitize a person.
Well, if you look at.
If you look at what's happening with the cell towers and what's happening with vaccines, it's almost like they're trying to create humans who can resonate with their smartphone and the entrainment technology, but cannot resonate with each other and the divine intelligence.
It's like they're trying to create a human race that cannot, you know.
I believe that through the through, you know, sort of through electromagnetic connection and divine intelligence, we can all, I mean, literally through prayer meditation, we can all communicate at some level.
You know, we're herd animals and we share intelligence.
I don't know if you've ever studied Rupert Sheldrake and morphogenic fields, but that fits with everything I've seen when you study the economics of what happens within communities and how economic flows optimize.
To a certain extent, you're studying economic flows optimize within fields of intelligence because markets don't adjust where the fields don't touch.
Anyway, so that's a whole other topic.
But it seems to me that we've always been, you know, that we're basically telepathic and we share intelligence with each other in all sorts of ways and with all living things.
And I truly, you know, I believe in a very powerful divine intelligence.
So, and I think that intelligence is a source of tremendous wisdom and power for every human being.
And it seems to me that they're trying to create a human being who can still function and be useful.
But doesn't resonate with anything other than the entrainment on their smartphone.
That is so interesting.
And there are a lot of implications there.
Now, the SB 277 bill that passed in California removing the religious exemption, this kind of backdoor sabotage of the separation of church and state, is really causing quite a backlash there.
And it looks like an interesting test case for the centralization team to see how far they can push this.
And of course, the corporate media is looking to help their pharmaceutical friends drive even more revenue.
They went completely hysterical with this.
So, you know, I guess out of all of it, I found Governor Brown endorsing this a bit strange, you know, because how does he face his liberal electorate and say, well, I just let the drug companies override the state constitution?
I guess this really shows that Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same, but it still thought it was unusual.
I think if you're looking, if you look at the pressure that's underway now, I mean, we just had the 10th natural doctor.
Yeah, I was going to ask you about them.
Right.
One theory is that they were all very active in opposing vaccines.
And that's why it's happening.
You know, when you're a governor of a state and, you know, the top down message is coming, we want this.
You know, if you don't do it, you're going to find yourself, if you don't support it, you're going to find, you know, you're going to find one of your kids being in a car accident.
Yeah.
So the day you're told this is, you know, it's going to be this way.
You know, and the reality is they kill people.
You know, they, governors have recalls.
Brown could find himself out of a job.
He could find himself dead.
He could find one of his kids dead.
He could.
Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean.
So I'm not saying it's happening in this case, but the pressure that can be brought to bear in a situation like this is very significant.
And as you know, most people don't get to that point unless they have a control file.
Right, they've been profiled.
Mortgage Fraud and Neighborhoods00:06:13
So, you know, I spent 11 years proving that what they, you know, it's really funny because I've gone back and looked at sort of the squabble I had with the federal government.
At this point, I believe there were three very serious attempts to falsely frame me.
It cost me 11 years and $6 million to prove that they were false.
Not everybody's willing to spend 11 years and $6 million to prove that something's false.
Now, imagine if one of them had been true.
That's right.
I would have gone to prison for 20 years.
Absolutely.
Well, you had been targeted, and it's obvious that they were seriously trying to ruin you.
Well, it's funny.
I never knew that the maximum penalty for what the was the it was one of the frames.
The maximum penalty was 20 years.
We had a really beautiful office in Washington, and there was a real war over subpoenas.
We'd spent about a million dollars on email subpoena and email discovery, and we had gotten to the point where we didn't throw away any garbage because there was an argument about, you know, literally whether we could throw away a blank piece of paper.
Anyway, so you're storing the garbage, and it was all In the stairwell.
We were just piles and piles of these garbage bags.
Anyway, so they seized our offices on a pretext.
I believe it was illegal.
And we had empty shredding bins in the basement.
We weren't using them because we were not throwing anything out.
So they seized the offices.
And while none of my staff, I tried to keep my staff there, but one day the HUD and IG sent their general counsel in and they came in with the FBI.
And they got the property manager to take them on a tour.
They went downstairs, they got the shredding bins, they opened up a trash bag, put the trash in the shredding bin, and then went up and got some of our corporate accounting files, brought them down, and put them on top, and then started taking pictures.
And the property manager looked at me and said, You can't do that.
And the general counsel said, Shut up, this is none of your business.
And so then we got a letter.
And the letter said, you know, we caught you throwing away and shredding valuable accounting files and obstruction of justice.
Well, the property, we went in that weekend and it's a whole other story, but we cleaned the whole space because while they were there, they had done everything they could to destroy the space.
They'd done number ones and number twos.
I mean, they'd literally gone to the bathroom on the floor.
Unbelievable.
Oh, yeah, no, they'd put cigarette bets out on the, I mean, it was disgusting.
They had done everything they could to sort of debase the whole space.
And I took one look at it.
I said, I can't leave this for the property manager.
You know, you can't do that.
So I took my own money and we went in.
I got a whole crew.
I brought them down from New York and we went and cleaned all weekend and got it clean.
So the property manager came in on Monday.
He took one look at it.
He was so touched.
He said to my staff, he said, Tell her to bring her lawyer.
I want to give her an affidavit.
And I brought my lawyer over.
He gave us an affidavit.
In the meantime, we get a letter from the attorney saying, We caught you doing this obstruction of justice, blah, blah, blah.
We took the affidavit and turned it into court.
It stopped the whole thing.
Well, it turns out if you look at a lot of the email issues that are being argued now on Clinton, one of them is this obstruction of justice.
And I was reading the New York Times the other day and discovered oh, that was a 20 year maximum penalty.
Amazing.
Wow.
And just for the full context here, they were trying to do this to you because some of the software you created tracked money flows county by county.
And since they were cooking up a housing bubble, they really needed you and your information just out of the way.
And that was at least one of the reasons.
It was a struggle of models.
In other words, they were harvesting neighborhoods.
They had passed the prison laws and they were dropping SWAT teams and rounding up kids, just innocent kids, and throwing them in prison.
And that was making them a lot of money in the prison stocks and building, constructing prisons, all of that.
So they were basically economic cleansing these neighborhoods.
Part of it was using prisons.
These were neighborhoods they were pouring tremendous amounts of drug in.
The Dark Alliance allegations coming in.
Right.
And they had been laundering some of that money with a mortgage fraud.
And what I was doing was stopping the mortgage fraud.
And in fact, they wanted to bubble the housing market, you know.
And so what they were hoping to do was pull the, you know, basically pull the people out of the neighborhoods, gentrification, do a whole housing bubble, you know.
And it was very interesting because I remember at that time I said to someone, when I looked at the plans for increasing volumes for both Fannie Freddie and FHA, I said, wait a minute, people are going to have to refinance their mortgage two and three times a year from prison to make these numbers because they were going to use so much of.
What was going on in those neighborhoods, both for gentrification and just to, you know, for housing fraud.
So I was slowing up that mortgage fraud game, and they wanted to dramatically increase it, which obviously they did.
And they took it to a level that, you know, at the time I could never have imagined.
So I had a model that said, okay, let's help the people in this neighborhood succeed economically on real terms.
And they were saying, no, let's round them up, put them in prison, bring new people in, and make even more on the fraud and the drugs.
What a plan.
So.
Since that time, you know, in my experience in many neighborhoods, the drugs have grown.
And obviously, the mortgage fraud grew tremendously.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, it almost took down an entire world economy, you know, if you think about it.
Right.
What I find so fascinating about that and your story is when people discover the kinds of corruption that we're discussing here, you know, invariably they'll say, I'm so angry knowing that they do these things.
Dangerous Situation Ahead00:02:33
But that almost feels like precisely the kind of response these forces count on you to have.
So, the fact that you could get past the anger and instead really figure out what their whole fraud system was about is a real triumph because it says to all these people if you can get past your anger towards these kind of Mr. Global style activities and instead discover ways to immunize yourself against it, well, that's really how you can win.
Right.
So, when somebody's shooting at you and trying to kill you, you need a clear head.
That's true.
I think the part of this is getting out of the childish expectation that someone's supposed to be responsible to take care of you or to be fair towards you.
Because, in fact, that's not the environment we're in.
We're in something where the leadership is, in fact, harvesting us and may not be in control.
So they're under tremendous pressure themselves.
And it's a very dangerous situation.
So, you know, the notion that the system is fair or is supposed to take care of us, it's just not true.
So, what I'm saying is, I think, you know, certainly when bad things happen, we get angry.
I think the reality is, our situation is far too dire for the luxury of basking in anger.
And feeling sorry for yourself puts you in a position where you're powerless.
So, you know, I'm a great believer that the only way you can solve a problem is to take responsibility for it.
Yes.
And I just think you have to take responsibility for your well being, you know, in this environment and responsibility for the well being of those around you.
Right, right.
Well, you've taken the actions that were made against you and turned them around into basically.
Information systems for people to learn from your experience.
Right.
And that is the magic to the whole thing because, you know, how do you use an experience like that and turn it into something positive where you emerge stronger and wiser after battling with these kind of covert forces?
Deprogramming from Being a Patsy00:04:11
Right.
Well, it's funny because for many, many years, I kept trying to warn people about what was really going on.
And, you know, the horrible thing about my life is I feel like every year I welcome more people into my world.
It's like.
Oh, okay.
And part of the challenge has been I keep trying to warn them, and they can't fathom that the world is as different as it is.
Yeah.
Because one of the things we'll have to go through is that process of, oh, I'm a Patsy.
Because we believe something other than what it was.
So we're all having to kind of deprogram from being a Patsy.
But once you deprogram from being a Patsy, the beauty of it is then you're free.
But no one gets to be free without taking responsibility.
Right, right.
And is it fair to say if you want to be innovative, if you want to be free thinking, if you want to be entrepreneurial, you also have to have the ability to see things as they actually are?
Right.
So they are associated.
That good creative expression is somehow linked with that real ability to look at things in a clear, stark fashion.
Right.
One of my favorite quotes is from the Buddha those who are awake live in a state of constant amazement.
Well, he must have been trying to tell us something.
And when we come back, we'll look ahead to what's coming this fall and the strange combination of financial, geopolitical, and even technological moves that may have an endgame in space.
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Now, Catherine, one of the great quotes that you have in the latest report is from Harry Truman.
And it says, nothing is new in the world except the history you do not know.
That really makes me think of the work that you do because, in general, I don't think people understand the things that have happened that got us to this point.
If you go back and study history, in fact, I have an article called Learning History.
UFO Phenomenon and Control00:12:00
It's very important to not only study history, but study the history of your own family.
And what you'll find, if you can learn real history, And then study your family in the, you know, integrate your family history and where you come from within that history, it's very powerful because then you stop going, you move out of a zone of just being, you know, sort of being knocked around the waves of history and you become a player.
In other words, history starts to be something you can create, not just something that happens to you or happened to your ancestors.
You know, you start to become a player.
And it's very powerful.
And so I very much encourage people to learn the history, not just of the world or of their own culture, but the history of their family.
And what you'll find is the tape room's been harvesting your family.
Mr. Global and the tape room have been harvesting your family for generations.
And if they hadn't been, you would be very wealthy.
Right.
Yeah.
It's amazing to go back and see how many waves of harvesting have just constantly.
Pulled resources from your family.
It's from ours.
It's an important question, too, that someone can ask themselves if they're working hard and doing all the right things.
Why aren't I wealthy?
Right.
Or at least well off.
Right.
Really interesting.
So let's look at a couple of flashpoints going on right now and get your input on them.
In Greece, over the summer, they voted not to accept the terms of this deal that was cooked up.
And then their prime minister accepted the deal anyway.
And then resign to form a new party.
Quite a lot of chaos there.
So, where is this going based on their latest moves?
I think that what you will now see is the Germans and Northern Europeans essentially harvest Greece.
Uh huh.
So, you'll see.
They got what they wanted.
Right.
You'll see privatization.
One of the big questions I had for while the whole transaction was, or deals were going on, was why don't they have a plan?
Why don't they have an exit plan to leave the euro?
Why don't they have a plan to issue?
Why, why, why?
And what finally came out from the finance minister is when they tried to put one together, there were two problems.
One, the politics were so sensitive and the opposition to doing it was so enormous, number one.
But number two, the equivalent of their IRS was on software and systems that they didn't control.
They were controlled by the banks.
And this brings back to the point I'm always making, and I'm sure you've heard me do it before.
Which is when I was the Assistant Secretary of Housing or the lead financial advisor at HUD, I would try and get data from the defense contractor that ran the payment information systems, and they refused to give it to me.
And legally, the sovereign government did not control the information and payment systems.
The private corporations did, and they were reporting to a shadow government, not to the official government.
And that's why I said the President of the United States does not control or run the country, because those defense contractors run the information.
And payment systems and they control the guts, you know.
And then the New York Fed member banks control and operate as depositories, so they run the bank accounts and the financial systems and do a lot of the financial servicing.
The big defense contractors run a lot of the information and other payment systems.
And between the two of them, they control and they report to the shadow government or themselves, they do not report to the line operating officials.
Yeah, fascinating.
We never get to see that.
So, if the middle class is going to Have a, you know, reassert authority, you're going to have to reassert authority of the digital systems.
And the question is, how do you do that?
Because the sovereign government doesn't control them.
Congress does not control them.
The president does not control them.
Now, what they control is they control the appropriations.
You know, so, you know, but you literally have to get into the guts of how the money works.
So you could say, Five years from now, for example, we could be looking at an even more centralized, even more surveilled, more controlled society with more unemployment.
Or you could be looking at a totally different picture where we take advantage of this new infrastructure they need to build and we kind of move further away from the controlling and the centralization system and try to do things more independently, more locally, for example.
Well, but the surveillance is coming through the digital system.
So it's coming through the utilities, it's coming through the telecommunications, it's coming through the media.
You know, that's several lines.
And part of the problem is if you look at all the operations and all the different sort of cartels or industries, you know, they can all advantage themselves by sucking up more data.
So there's a natural dynamic of everybody trying to get more and more invasive and leapfrog in.
You know, so now Google has bought Nest and they're trying to track you and watch you all over the house.
You know, everybody's trying to get an advantage by getting more data, more data, more data.
And that's, you know, to a certain extent, the technology is creating that phenomenon.
But at the same time, there clearly are, I believe, at the Mr. Global level, a real dictum to get the ability to harvest and manipulate people one at a time using the artificial intelligence and whatever.
So building the infrastructure is a little bit separate because a lot of the infrastructure building.
Can support or serve the surveillance or not.
So I can build, you know, trillions of dollars of roads or railroads, and whether or not the cars that drive across it, you know, give access to the telecommunication companies or Google through the nature of the car and the GPS software and everything else is a different question.
Right, right.
Yeah, I can see that.
Right.
So, You know, the infrastructure to me, to a certain extent, the infrastructure is something we can all agree on while we're fighting about these other issues.
All right.
Well, what would you say?
And you're always good about saying who has the upper hand in these things.
If you were to look at the picture through the next five years, which vision is it that has the upper hand?
And to clarify this question, let me put it like this Is the momentum on the side of the centralization players or on the side of people waking up to what's happening?
And what impact does the UFO question have on this?
You know, I don't know because I've never truly understood what the governance system is.
And how it works.
And I think the reason I keep bringing up the UFO question is I think that is so important to figuring it out.
How?
You clearly have one or more civilizations that has the winning hand in terms of weaponry and technology.
So we have a planet where the economy, the currency system, and the economy is run by force.
Right.
So enforcement and who enforces and how they enforce is right now the key to the.
The current economic and investment model on planet Earth.
So then the question becomes well, who's got the biggest weapons?
You know, who has the most powerful weaponry?
If you look at the UFO phenomenon, whoever owns and is operating that stuff is in control or competing for control.
Right.
Right.
So then the question is well, who has it?
Who is it?
You know, is it the Nazis?
Well, is it, you know, is it off planet?
And when you follow the financial system back, this is the question I asked in Planet Debt.
It is impossible to get, I believe, seriously satisfying statistics on who owns all the debt and how much gold there is.
Yeah.
And of course, in a world where humans own all the debt, it's a very different world than civilizations off planet own half the debt or all the debt.
Oh, yeah.
Because the debt system is just a control system.
It's not really a financial system.
It's a control system.
So, student loans, credit cards, mortgages, the whole thing.
Correct.
Essentially, yes.
Yeah.
So, the question is who owns it?
And how much gold is there?
And is it all on this planet or not?
So, you get into these very difficult questions where you have no data and it's very hard to get.
Information.
The beauty of UFOs is you can see them.
You know, they're flying around and they're clearly technologically.
Now, it's funny, I have one subscriber who says, Oh, no, they're all holograms.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Well, you know, whoever has the hologram technology then is in control.
So, well, there are literally thousands of UFO reports every year, you know, different types, completely amazing maneuvers, and no good explanations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's been going on for decades.
And, you know, we go through this whole routine with people who say, Well, you know, it's just secret military technology.
I mean, I don't think so.
Neither do I.
I mean, military secrets eventually come out.
The U2, for example, was secret, and after a while we learn about it.
But after 70 years, we still see these crafts, you know, triangle shaped, saucer shaped.
And I mean, there's no explanation.
Well, you know, then you have people saying they're advanced civilizations that live in the core of the earth, it's hollow, and they live there.
I don't know.
You know, I've never been in the core of the earth.
Right, right.
All I can tell you is, The chief question from an investment standpoint is who has the most powerful weaponry?
I can't answer that question, but I know whoever's flying those things around is one of or the person.
Well, it's intriguing because the UFO question opens up a whole line of inquiry.
Do you think that the Strategic Defense Initiative programs, for example, called Star Wars, that were started in the 80s and have been developed in space over time, do you think this was initiated because of the UFO issue?
Yes, I do.
I do.
I absolutely do.
It does seem like the last time the government almost openly talked about it in a sense.
And, you know, I think of President Reagan's strange remarks at the UN, just musing there about unifying humanity against an alien threat.
And ever since, there's been a steel door just slammed shut on the whole issue.
Well, here's the thing if you take everything I've ever learned about the economy on planet Earth, what I would tell you is the Earth is a REIT.
Do you know what a REIT is, a real estate investment trust?
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Right.
And it's paying a tithe.
And I don't know where that tithe is going.
I don't know if it's going underground.
I don't know if we're building colonies on Mars.
All I can tell you is, you know, there's this steady drain.
It's being harvested.
There's a, I don't know if you've seen the movie Jupiter Ascending.
There's this great line where the protagonist is fighting with somebody on another planet.
And they said, look, Earth is just a very small part of a much bigger corporation.
Interesting.
Now, the funny thing about that line is, That's exactly how the economic model works.
It's like every year they want a bigger dividend.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
And you're constantly having to produce a dividend.
People are fighting when they can't produce enough to, you know, and that's what it feels like.
Now, I'm not saying it's true, but if you're going to grapple with what the leadership is up to, then the question is are they really the leaders or are they just in the middle?
Good question.
And the reality is much of what happens to us in the next five years, Daniel, relates to the politics of what's going on with the dollar.
Huh.
Okay.
Okay.
So after 9 11, we embarked on a journey of dramatically spending trillions of dollars to create a worldwide empire and assert control of the Middle East and the Silk Road.
And if you look at what the plan was, I have to tell you the plan failed.
And we overshot the budget.
And I think if you look at what Kerry and the current administration are doing, they're running around the world trying to lower the risk and get the budget back into balance.
And that's what the Iran deal is all about.
Yeah, because they're saying, look, we can't afford to bomb you.
So let's make some business deals instead.
Right.
In other words, we can't.
You can talk about whether this is a good deal or not, but we don't have at this point the financial capacity to wage.
This war anymore.
Well, thank God they don't.
Well, and that brings us to the question of what ISIS really is.
Right, right.
Because it looks like ISIS is trying to consolidate and finish the job.
But, you know, put that aside for a second.
So you've got the current administration trying to get the thing back into some kind of financial balance.
That's what Cuba is.
And that raises the question, as I described in my article, What's Up This Fall 2015.
We are watching a very unprecedented thing happen four weeks from now.
We are going to see the Pope on his first official visit, I believe, to the United States come speak to a joint session of Congress, fly to New York, open the 70th General Assembly meeting, followed by speeches the next after the weekend by Obama, Putin, the Chinese president, the French president, and the Iranian president, among others.
Wow.
So, this is Putin's first visit since 2007.
I think it's the Chinese president's first official visit, Pope.
So, to have everyone in the Pope together, all these world leaders in the Pope together.
Now, the rumors are the French are going to propose a Palestinian state.
That would be really amazing.
That would be amazing.
So, they're all coming together, and you have the entire world leadership coming together and doing a kumbaya.
That is so unusual.
You know, and the photo opportunity is a picture of world government.
And if there's a Palestinian state involved, then one of a world government and peace, what's that about?
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, we're here in September, and you said the fall was going to be intense.
You know, something from the moment I went to Wall Street and then to Washington, the fall is always intense.
Okay.
You know, it's part of it is you have two major economic events.
You have the U.S. The next year's budget finally approved and reset in September and supposed to start on October 1st.
So that's a major event economically when all those decisions get made.
That's number one.
And then you have the agricultural harvest.
So that's a big indicator of how much money the earth gave us this year.
And so you have those two things event.
But a lot of both government and corporations are in a calendar year.
So a lot of big decisions get made.
People come back from holidays, from the summer.
You know, and you have a couple of months to really get things done.
And so everybody's trying to push the pig through the snake.
So, in addition, if you look at a whole world of certain kinds of mammals, it's the running season.
And if you've ever studied running season behavior, it absolutely looks like Congress, you know, from September 15th to October 15th.
Anyway, but so it's always been an intense period.
One of the reasons I did this commentary is I had too many commentary, too many subscribers expressing fear about the fall.
In a way that I'm very suspicious of, I think there is a real effort coming top down to get people all worked up and scared about the fall.
Right.
And the question is why?
I don't know the answer.
There's a lot of fear, porn, and propaganda, and it's over the top.
Oh, yeah.
So, one of the reasons I did this is I said, look, let's look at the calendar and let's look at why this fall is going to be intense.
Because I've said for a long time it's going to be intense time.
Part of it is you've been kicking a lot of decisions like the SDR decision down the road.
The other thing is that there is an indication that the federal government may not have the federal budget ready on October 1st.
Now, to bring all those world leaders and the Pope together and to leave the federal budget open, to me, that's a very remarkable state of affairs.
Yeah.
A strange confluence of different circumstances.
Yeah.
And then, in addition, you have the debt limit coming up in October, and Treasury's saying we're going to run out of cash if Congress doesn't raise the debt limit.
So, if you look at the number of institutional relationships and the money that's fluid at the time, money people don't like that much fluidity at one time.
So, you look at that, and it's kind of, well, this is going to be very interesting because it's just intensity.
Then you have a whole series of other meetings, and the TPP and the Iran deal needs to get done.
And finally, the Fed has said it's going to raise interest rates.
So, if you look at all these things together and you rack them up chronologically, from the Fed raising interest rates to the Pope coming to the world leaders at the UN to the US not trying to finish its budget or not finishing its budget and having to squabble about the debt limit, that's a lot of action packed into one period of time.
And then if you roll through October, traditionally October has been one of the sort of toughest periods always for the financial markets.
That's when you tend to get a lot of big drops.
That's right.
So I lay all out the chronology, and what you can see is there's a lot going on in terms of global geopolitics and financial matters.
Now, would you say it's a fall unlike any other since you've started doing the Solari report?
The fall is always a financially and politically intense time.
Always.
It's always.
And so this one is going to be the more you kick the can, the worse the intensity is going to be.
Now, I tell you what will happen, and I think this fall is going to be, it's going to ring the bell for a lot of people.
You have seen so many people in America keep thinking, okay, well, we had a bad time and it's all going to come back.
That's not the case.
We are moving into a period of accelerated change, and we're just going to see that change rolling out.
And I think it's going to surprise people who haven't positioned themselves to be ready for it are going to be very surprised.
So, I think you're going to see big changes this fall and it's going to keep on happening.
You know, it's interesting.
You were talking there about the fake out of coming out of the recession and the U.S. coming back.
And one thing I've noticed people saying is how good the housing market is starting to look.
And they're painting quite a rosy picture there for sure, looking for a new bubble.
Oh, but I think what started at the beginning of 2015 and to a certain extent 2014, there has been enormous.
And many multiple steps to loosen up the federal credit and pour money into housing because you have an election in 2016.
And let me tell you, what both parties know how to do, but what Democrats really know how to do, is juice the housing market.
These guys are really good at juicing the housing market.
And in fact, if you look at the first announcement that Clinton did, it looked like a Fannie Mae ad.
You know, America's on the move, and everything was people packing and moving and moving into new houses, building houses.
So, I think the effort to juice the home builder.
Last time I looked at the home before the turndown, the home builders were one of the strongest sectors in the US stock market.
So, if you look at what they're doing to juice the housing market, I think through the election, the housing market, particularly in areas which are growth areas, is going to be very strong.
And it's funny because I tried to tell many of my subscribers six months ago look, the housing market is going to be very strong.
And they were, you know, they started to scream.
All the fundamentals at me, and I said, You know, you guys just do not understand.
Watch, you know, the federal credit is the mortgage market is very socialized.
And when the federal government decides to turn on the tap, it's pretty remarkable.
So the tap is being turned on, and I think they can continue it all the way through the election.
So get ready.
So that guarantees a good housing market for a while.
Well, it guarantees, you know, a lot of support to the Democrats.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
That's the real reason it's happening.
And the reality is, if you look at, you know, the Republican Congress, They use it to get a lot of support, which is how you get the bipartisan nature of these things.
Well, they're so good at building illusions, and they seem particularly good at making the economic picture look promising.
You know, if you look at what, you know, when you steal $40 trillion and reinvest it in certain places, those places feel like the world is working well because it's working well for them.
They're going to be riding high.
Yeah.
I mean, I just drove back from California.
California, and I was in Silicon Valley for a month, and then I was in Austin, Texas.
And I got to tell you, they're going gangbusters.
It's really picking up.
I haven't been out in Denver, but I just talked to one person who'd been out in Denver, and they're living in a fairly affluent suburb.
Houses are up 75% over the last year.
That's amazing.
Well, last year you introduced everyone to this idea of shifting from global 2.0 to 3.0, you know, from an industrial to a high tech future.
Right.
And you basically warned readers that locations in America that were stuck in the 2.0, their possibilities were shrinking further while other areas would thrive.
So, how is that all playing out now?
Now, if you're in a place, and it's funny, if you get on the internet and you look at the websites that cater to people saying it's all going to collapse, if you look at who they're talking to, it's people who are in places that are 2.0 who are really depressed, you know, and so they're helping them process their grief.
And what I'm trying to tell them, look, get up.
And move to one of the 3.0 places or learn how to do the 3.0 functions because, yes, your place is going down, but these places are going up.
And you need to understand that it's not everybody.
Yeah.
Well, it's a tale of two cities, basically.
And one of the cities is doing quite well.
So interesting.
And some of the alternative media sites, by using the fear and collapse rhetoric, are behaving in some ways exactly like the corporate media, delivering their propaganda to a targeted demographic.
And it makes me think we really need a post alternative approach in news reporting because, in some sense, this first wave has failed.
You know, by adopting scare tactics and buyer iodine and survival bunker now programming, you know, I know we can do better than that.
And that's a section of the alternative media.
Section of the alternative media, and they're doing fear porn, and now you've got the corporate media doing fear porn.
Right.
And you watch them all, and you think, and it's quite a bit of fear porn.
Really does sell.
I guess it gives you an adrenaline hint.
It really works.
So, and it's become a very interesting phenomenon to watch.
And I found with some people it becomes addicting.
And they literally can't sort the risks out.
So, they're so committed to the notion that we are shortly going to have a great global complete collapse and it'll be a great cleansing.
And when it's all over, the world will come back to sanity.
And, you know, it's a wonderful dream.
The chances of it happening are very, very small.
You know, I can't tell you how many times a week I have to say to somebody, I think the chances of that happening are less than 1%.
Whoa.
Which is my way of saying, you know, this is complete.
Now, here's the problem the more a system becomes centralized, the more fragile it becomes.
Right.
So, you know, and that's why you need so much force to hold it together.
And I think, you know, we keep, we keep, we're not able to, Translate our understanding and fear about political problems into what that means economically.
We think it's one thing and it's not.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
So, anyway, so the fear porn, I went through a period over the last 12 months where I was so frustrated with the fear porn that I would literally, you know, I would have trouble controlling my anger because it was so.
Here's the thing it's a very clever tactic.
If I want to destroy my enemies, it is very important to come up with a way of destroying my enemies that makes me money.
Uh huh.
Okay.
Because if I have to spend money destroying you, then I'm out that money.
But if I can figure out a way to get you to destroy yourself in a way that makes me money, then, you know, I win and I win economically, I win efficiently.
Okay.
So coming up with a way of taking all your, you know, the world is full of all of these smart, hardworking, good hearted people who look at what's going on and find it appalling.
Because it is appalling.
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It's, you know, And they hate what I'm doing and they think I'm a psychopath, they're probably right.
And so their immediate reaction is to take action to protect themselves and to drain energy for me, right?
Now, I can get them focused on a view of the world where they go off and marginalize themselves and they say, well, I don't have to stop him.
I don't have to change the system.
It's all going to collapse anyway.
So I'll just go off in the woods and I'll plant.
You know, food and live, you know.
I'll live in a bunker.
Well, I'll live in the bunker while it all collapses.
Then, you know, then they get out of my way.
In other words, they're not a problem and they perpetually weaken themselves because they move out of the flow, they stay out of the flow, they don't stay current.
You know, in other words, I've got them out of the mechanisms of day to day operations of everything.
Yeah.
And it's beautiful.
It's a beautiful strategy and it's really working.
But what it does is it takes a very competent, capable person and it marginalizes them in a way which is very destructive for them.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
So there's always that grain of truth in it and then just gets extrapolated out to this whole frame of mind, which is very limited.
Well, what fear porn is playing on is the fact that I'm operating in a system.
Where the forces that are trying to harm me are invisible and I can't see them and I can't see the governance system.
So I, and that's very frightening.
You know, it's a very, very frightening thing.
And what I need is a toolkit and tactics to navigate that and be effective even within that.
And there are ways of doing it, but it takes time.
So the fear porn plays on your fear.
And what it does is it, you know, what you do is you tell people.
Who have a political problem that there is a financial solution for their political problem.
And there is no such thing as a financial solution for a political problem.
Because if I have the political power to confiscate and steal all your money, you know, putting your money here versus there doesn't matter.
That's true.
Because I can just come and kill you.
Right, exactly.
Right.
So lawlessness cannot be solved with financial solutions.
So financial action by itself won't really accomplish anything in helping solve the political lawlessness question.
What do you think leans more towards a way to solve it?
Well, certainly there is a way to solve it.
The number one step to solving it, well, there's a pincer movement.
Step number one is transparency.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's why I love what you do.
I love what I do.
We're trying to bring transparency in a way that gives people an understanding of the full complex phenomenon because it's complex.
So, number one is transparency.
But then, number two is dramatically improving your immune system.
So, what I'm trying to do is make sure that every one of my subscribers and clients cannot get harvested.
Right.
So, because that's how you starve the tapeworm.
Because they're coherent, they can't be harvested.
Right.
The more you are, the more you see the game, the more you can't be harvested.
And one of the most important ways of not being harvested is to simply move as far away from all of the different people and players.
You know, the more you can shun the people who are behaving this way, the better.
Uh huh.
Okay.
Yeah.
No glamorizing of the unethical, lawless figures.
Right.
Exactly.
So, why is everyone spending 100 hours a year paying attention to the election?
I know why I pay attention to it.
Because I'm trying to do the Soleri report, but I pay surprisingly little attention to it.
Well, that's good.
But I'll find people who are spending hundreds of hours paying attention to the presidential election, and they don't even know who their local officials are, and they don't even vote in the local elections, which is crazy because the power of the money is coming, so much of that power comes from who controls bottom up.
Oh, that's crucial to understand.
Absolutely.
Right, but you know, I'm always amazed.
I have spent many, many years being lobbied to give money or vote for presidential candidates, you know, who basically tried to kill me or killed somebody in my family.
You know, it's like living in a mob.
You know, I live in Sicily, except it's much worse.
Yeah, right, right.
You know, and here we are again more Clintons, more Bushes.
You know, it's.
Well, it really seems absurd.
Shunning is a very, very powerful tool.
Absolutely.
What would happen if suddenly everyone in America said, I don't want to talk to, I don't want to know, I don't want to date, I don't want to marry anybody who works at Goldman Sachs?
We're out.
What would happen?
They'd go down really hard.
Right, exactly.
That's an excellent point.
That's one of the big keys, which is knowing the hidden power of the choice of whether or not to associate with those who directly or indirectly support the corruption.
Right.
Shunning is one of the most powerful tools throughout history.
When enough people get together and say, you know, it's very interesting.
One of my favorite books on real solutions is there's a wonderful economist from Michigan named Robert Axelrod who wrote a book called The Evolution of Cooperation.
And he did simulations when computers first came out on what conditions created an economy where peace made money.
In other words, peace worked and war didn't work.
And so crime didn't pay because right now we're in an economy where crime pays.
And so Axelrod said, how can we be in an economy where crime doesn't pay?
And what he discovered was in conditions of transparency, people who act in criminal ways get shunned.
Well, that's pretty interesting.
And it makes sense, too.
Yeah.
So, right now, criminals are very fashionable.
Criminals make a lot of money.
You know, if you look on the Democratic side, everybody who's running or considered to run, or a lot of the lead candidates or potential candidates, they're all people who led the passage and implementation of radical increases in the prison population.
Yeah, and now they want their reward, right?
So, you know, so I don't know.
Do we want red Nazis or blue Nazis?
Yeah, some good choices there.
What do you want?
So it's, I just think if we're going to, there are many, many solutions for our problems.
But the first thing you have to ask is what's going on.
You have to bring transparency.
And part of the reason you have to bring transparency, if you look at who's doing this, Daniel, it's all of us.
Right.
You know, Wall Street and Washington implement one community at a time.
And the waste and the destruction is one community at a time.
If you look at the destruction in a county, what is happening to the local economy that's coming from nutrition, bad nutrition, if you look at what's coming from vaccines, the harm, if you look at what's coming from all the rules that are killing small business and stop the flow of capital.
I mean, we're talking, I once got together with a group of fellow investors and we estimated how much.
Wealth could be created if you stop doing all the harm.
And we estimated, I estimated that the current wealth was 1% of what's possible.
All these different things are creating harm.
And part of it are things that Mr. Global is doing, but part of it is things we're doing.
So let me give you an example.
I just looked at a market research report on grocery sales in the United States for the last 52 weeks.
In the last 52 weeks, we spent.
$2 billion on vegetables.
We spent $10 billion on carbonated drinks.
Oh, wow.
Well, the stats show some really bad choices.
Okay.
So we spend, you know, depends on which estimate you look at, but we spend at least, you know, thousands of hours watching TV.
I mean, the TV watching time is just off the charts.
So if you take, and then if you look at how much money we spend on the lottery, Right.
I mean, if we took half the time we spent watching TV and half the money we spent on lottery and half the money we spent on carbonated drinks, and we instead spent it on things which built skills and human capital and rebuilt the economy, right there you would have enough to completely renovate the whole economy.
Right, exactly.
And so you can't put that off on some major corporation who happens to be behaving poorly.
No.
Or some shadow government power out there.
These are individual choices that are going on.
Right.
And we need to focus on bringing these choices back into some kind of balance and creative alignment with an ideal for a better society.
Right.
So here's what's going to be very interesting.
We're coming into a turn both in the federal budget, we're coming into a turn in the bond market.
For, you know, the bond market interest rates have come down for 30 years.
We've been printing, printing, printing government money and spending money and creating all these economic activities that make no sense, including watching thousands of hours of TV a year.
Right.
As deflation takes hold and a lot of those economic activities die, are we going to come back into good habits or not?
Because the greatest resource in this country is the human capital, and the human capital is being debased and destroyed.
Huh.
Well, there's no question about that.
That's what we see going on.
But we have the power to turn that around.
Well, that's encouraging.
And I think with your years of research and expertise on this, Everyone seeing this and listening along should take this as some real inspiration to expand their view of what can happen and to look at the great crossroads that we're at now and how it could be the breakthrough for turning some of this corruption around.
You know, it's going to have to come down to that.
If you look at where the tape rooms lost, they lost on homeschooling, they lost on the swine flu vaccine.
You know, they've lost when it comes down to the safety and the health and the well being of our children.
That's where they lose.
And I don't know if you've ever seen the video Battle of Kruger on the internet.
It's my favorite internet video.
Okay.
And it's a video of the water buffalo coming together and protecting one baby water buffalo from the other.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it just shows you the thing that can bring the tribe together is to protect the little ones.
And that's why I'm going to be very curious to see Common Core, because what Common Core does and the testing process and the standardization of curriculum process does is it's basically a plan to give direct control.
Of children to corporations and intelligence agencies without the intervention of responsible parents, teachers, and principals.
And what I will tell you is the direct access to children by the intelligence agencies and large corporations has never worked out well.
Right.
And that's exactly where this is going.
And the reality is, we either stop this or it's all over.
So it will be very interesting to see, you know, if I have to tell you, if.
Tomorrow, five million parents took their kids out of school and said, We're homeschooling.
That's it.
You're out.
And no, we don't want a charter school run by a corporation.
Thank you very much.
Right.
You know, we'd be talking about big change.
Yes.
So they certainly have the power there.
If they can connect the dots enough on this, maybe they will.
Well, it comes down to which is more powerful the entrainment technology or your love for your children?
Well, when you put it like that, That's quite a battle.
Yes, it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can only imagine their strategy.
That's to have a smartphone and sneak up on them one by one.
You want to stop them from getting together.
Yeah, right.
So break their communal chain with each other and insert yourself electronically in the middle of it.
Right.
And that's why it's so important that they not be resonating with each other.
Because that'll give them courage.
Right, right.
Right.
What do you think?
Yeah, I can see it.
You can see it?
Absolutely.
Yeah, so what do you think?
I happen to believe, because I've seen this so many times, I happen to believe that the divine intelligence is more powerful than all of this.
That's intriguing.
So I'll tell you an interesting story.
One of my favorite things to read John Rappaport, for many years, would interview insiders and he would let them stay anonymous.
And then he would have them, the power of these interviews was he would dig in and get them to explain the nuts and bolts of how control worked.
How does control work if you're a nurse or a doctor or a priest inside the Vatican?
You know, he was really interested in the nuts and bolts of how they made all, you know, how is the matrix engineered?
How does this whole thing work without us it being obvious that it's rigged?
You know, and he did a marvelous show.
This went on for years.
It's thousands of pages.
And this is Ellis Medavoy.
Ellis Medavoy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Ellis Medavoy is interviewing Ellis Medavoy.
And Ellis Medavoy was, I believe, did public relations for the Executive Community Council on Foreign Relations or some group like that.
Okay.
And, and, Ellis Metavoy is talking about how they manipulate and control, and it's great.
These interviews do a great job of explaining how it really works.
It's fantastic.
And so, John, Ellis started to do these interviews after he had retired and he had started reading rap before one thing led to another.
They got into cahoots.
So, at one point, John gets very frustrated and explodes and says, Look, if we're so stupid and you guys are so smart and you can manipulate everything, why are you even talking to me?
And that's when Metavoy.
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Kind of cracks and he says, Well, you know, the funny thing is, every time we thought we had it locked down, this thing would happen.
And basically, what he describes in my words is the divine intelligence showing up in a way that it's totally out of control.
You know, you can't quite lock it down because you've got this.
Right, right.
And, you know, all the plans of all the, you know, all control just can't quite.
Get it.
Because I, you know, let's face it, I just think you can't control one planet with force and with central control.
I just think it's too big, it's too organic, and, you know, the force of nature and the divine intelligence is too powerful.
So, you know, I think all this stuff is going to fail.
It's just it can do a lot of harm and hurt a lot of people.
It is doing a lot of harm and hurting a lot of people.
You know, but at some point it's not going to work.
And so I'm an optimist, and that's.
You know, I just proceed day to day on the theory that it doesn't have to work if enough people just wake up.
Huh, so that's what it is.
Their control game is basically a losing proposition, ultimately, when you get right down to it.
I believe so.
But, you know, my whole life, you know, in defense of Mr. Global, throughout my whole life, all I've seen is the people doing the crime get more and more fashionable and more and more powerful.
That's true.
So, Well, it's an important principle you're pointing out here, which is these people get put on a pedestal.
They get rewarded for being a successful criminal.
Right.
Well, Catherine, you work closely with some of these power players in government and on Wall Street for years, and you got a real up close look at them.
How do you feel now looking back at that period of time?
I find it, I am very, very happy to be out.
In other words, if you look at my life now, I am much happier than I was when I was inside.
And I just find that whole environment to get more and more perverted, more and more ugly.
In other words, it feels horrible.
Yeah.
And I just, you know, I just, a lot of this comes down to, you know, whether you want to be very wealthy and have a big title and feel terrible.
Oh, yeah.
So, but it's a very degenerated.
Yeah, it's a very debased, degenerated way to live.
And, you know, it kind of feels like Rome at the end.
And it's a very insecure way to live.
You know, everybody's always, I mean, it's just a very unpleasant existence and a very insecure existence.
So I have to say, you know, I'm much happier where I am.
So maybe that's why I am where I am.
Right, exactly.
Well, looking at that world from the outside now, after having been inside there, you can see how really dysfunctional it is.
And it's even more dysfunctional now than it was even when you were there.
Right, much.
It's fascinating.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
So that raises the question again who's really in control?
And how does the governance system really work?
And what are the risks they're dealing with?
Because the one thing I will tell you is you know, I can't say that the corruption at the top is that much worse than the corruption at the bottom.
You know, the planet is on a model.
Particularly, the United States is on a model.
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That model runs on force, and we're all participating, and most of us are supporting it.
And the karma is all of ours.
We're all, you know.
So, fighting the power may be kind of a false choice.
Well, not a false choice, but I think every person, if you look at what every person could do in their life if they chose not to feed the machinery.
And to try and make sure with everything they did with their time and their money to give life to themselves, their family, their community, and the general economy, you know, things would evolve in a very powerful way.
Sure.
So, you know, we all have the power culturally and financially to make enormous changes.
So, this is ultimately going to come down to.
300 million people and what we choose.
And the stakes are?
You know, the stakes are whether our children and grandchildren are going to be free or slaves.
I mean, where this is headed right now is into slavery and the absence of any personal, physical, or emotional or mental freedoms.
I mean, you're talking about technology that is designed to control people's bodies, control people's minds, control their lives, to harvest them financially.
So we're really talking about are we going to be slaves or are we going to be free?
And would you say we're at a crucial point, especially since we've only had the technology for a short time?
You know, something I thought was crucial when I was five.
You know, for many, many years, I worked very hard to try and find options and solutions or to understand it.
You know, because I don't want to be a slave and I don't want to see anybody else being a slave.
And it was really funny when I decided, you know, I tried very hard to figure out how to have kids and I finally gave up because I couldn't figure out how to protect them.
I couldn't, you know, I knew if I had a child, I was going to end up in prison because I was going to shoot somebody protecting them.
Yeah, yeah, right.
I'm going to have a mess.
I mean, you try and give a kid a vaccine behind my back, I'm going to kill you.
You know, it's going to be ugly.
So, absolutely.
Right.
So, I, it was when I decided that it was hopeless to have kids, I said, okay, well, I have a real obligation to everyone else to try and create a world where I could be free to have kids.
And I, you know, so this has been going on.
I thought it was an emergency then.
Right.
I can appreciate that.
And I think the, you know, step one is the transparency of Houston, we have a problem.
And you tell me, Daniel, because I see more and more people starting to realize we have a problem and willing to face it.
Definitely.
But I've spent my whole life looking for various avenues.
And, you know, I have to tell you, one decision I made, you know, when I started litigating with the federal government, and especially when I decided I was really going to fight instead of settle, I just said, okay, you know, I have two groups in my life, and one is trying to.
Kill the other, and I'm not going to let that happen.
And so, if I have to choose one, I'm going to choose the people who really, you know, I'm going to choose my heart because I'm not going to let these people get genocided without doing my very best to stop it.
You know, and I thought at the time that they were just targeting minority communities.
I didn't realize it was everybody.
Right, exactly.
So, it turned out it was everybody, but I didn't know it then.
Anyway, so I just thought it was poor people.
So, that was a big step.
But the second step was.
When I speak publicly, I'm going to speak about everything.
I'm not going to be very careful about what I censor.
And if you look at the financial world, the financial world, even in the alternative media, there are certain topics which are not touchable.
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Yes.
And they're the very topics you have to talk about if you want to get to the heart of the matter.
So if we want to understand the economy, we have to look at the hidden system of finance, we have to look at covert.
Cash flows, we have to look at the black budget, we have to look at all of these things because they are driving the train.
And yet they are considered socially unacceptable to discuss.
And I just said, I don't care.
I want to get to the real solutions and I have to go through reality.
I can't, you know, the reality train tracks, you have to stay on reality to get to solutions, whatever they are.
So to a certain extent, I'm still driving trying to find reality because the big question is who really governs it and why, you know, what's really going on.
And I honestly don't know the answer.
Yeah.
I had a real fun once.
I gave an interview, and I'm trying to remember if it was dark journalist or not.
I gave an interview, and somebody wrote a comment that said, Well, you know, she's a liar because she says she doesn't know who's really running things, but she worked in Wall Street.
So, you know, she knows.
So, you know, she's a liar.
And you wanted to say, No, no, fella, what you need to understand is really that bad.
You have people running the country who don't understand what's going on.
That's how bad it is.
Oh, big time.
You know, it's so easy to jump to conclusions that everyone is in on it.
You know, and I will say that most of the comments I see on you in our interviews really show the power of your work because over and over again you see these words like life changing and you can see it's really made a deep impression on some viewers.
Good, good, good, good.
Because, you know, it, it, um, one of my favorite books is a book called Political Ponerology.
Have you ever read it?
Interesting.
I have seen it.
Oh, it's, um, it's, here's the claim, and I don't, I don't pretend to know if it's true or not, but it's certainly.
You know, the writing and the material work.
The author claims to have been a psychologist from Poland who lived through Hitler and then Stalin.
And he and a group of his fellow scientists got together and said, you know, to cope with this, to make sense of this, we are going to study as scientists the integration of politics with psychopathy.
So, how do psychopaths find each other, organize, and implement political control?
As a matter of science, how do you prevent that from happening?
And he claims that they had to write the book three times and then destroy it before they could get it out of Poland.
That's probably true.
And then after the wall came down, they got it out and published it.
It's very dense, but it's a very good book and it very much resonates with what I have found.
And what he says is 5% of the population are born without empathy.
They're basically psychopaths.
And they're very good at finding each other and organizing to implement things for their benefit.
Interesting.
20% of the population are people who are very good at getting things done.
And what happens is they end up operationalizing and running things for the 5%.
Okay.
The 5% get organized, make it attractive for the 20%.
You know, they pay them well to do the work.
And then the other 70% or 75% basically get tortured and harvested by this group of the 25%.
And the problem that the 75% have is they can't fathom that psychopaths really exist.
They can't fathom that humans exist that have no empathy.
And literally, the psychopaths are the equivalent of aliens.
We are a separate species.
I see.
I didn't understand a lot of how America was run until I moved to a rural area and studied livestock management.
And before I studied livestock management, I thought, oh, that's the way they're doing it.
Anyway, so what they discovered.
What they discovered is that when you can teach the 75% that psychopaths exist and to understand that some humans have no capacity for empathy and that they stop being neurotic and they start taking responsibility and come up with effective coping mechanisms.
And right now, when I said, you know, we need to shun and withdraw, we need to bring transparency and then shun and withdraw.
Right now in America, The entire middle class that you spoke about and the 75% need to fathom that they are dealing with the equivalent of psychopaths.
Right.
And they need to, you know, and if they can understand that and stop being neurotic and stop necessarily being entrained with smartphones that the psychopaths control, you know, then they can start to come up with highly effective coping mechanisms, each in their own unique situation.
Wow, that really is intriguing.
And it really explains a lot.
But it also shows that the moment they can comprehend this, let's call it evil, then the breakthrough is at hand.
Right.
If they can fathom it.
And the main reason they can't fathom it would be what?
Well, that's a good question.
I think some of it is, you know, has been very effective use of the media.
I think some of it has been, particularly in America, America's done a very good job of.
Of using financial treats and benefits to make it worth people's while to go along.
Right.
If you look at most counties, you know, 50% or more of the people there get direct or indirect government checks from the federal government.
So, you know, everybody is increasingly on the payroll.
They're in the game.
Yeah.
Right.
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So, and the other thing is the weaponry is very invisible and very dangerous.
So they have the ability to kill, they have the ability to harm in ways that are invisible and with impunity.
I've always believed their greatest power is the power to kill with impunity.
Yes, and you've been very consistent pointing that out.
And when we come back for our last segment, we'll take a look at what you've discovered about the evolution of control and your upcoming presentation at the Secret Space Program Conference in Austin, Texas.
I think I'm hosting that conference, come to think of it.
Well, we'll find out.
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This is Dark Journalist, and we're having a fascinating conversation here with former Assistant Housing Secretary Catherine Austin Fitz.
Now, before we let her go, we're going to look at a few more gems of her research and find out what she's up to for the fall.
Now, Catherine, we were speaking about these covert forces that kill with impunity and seem to command vast networks of power and technology.
And you've reviewed some books recently that really go deep on this subject.
How do you see the evolution of this control that's happening?
A lot of these technologies you use to target and control people, particularly in America on a local basis, bottom up, is implemented by private companies and sort of private armies.
So, private intelligence agencies, private armies.
I did a book review called The Modern Mercenary, and it was a very good book describing this really over the last 20 or 30 years the development of private armies.
And literally, how that's taking us back to medieval times where states do not have a monopoly on force.
Right, right.
I remember this.
You wrote that private armies ended somewhere around the 14th century, and here we are reverting back.
Yeah.
Right.
That private armies trend is fascinating too, because you get the impression that they know they're going to need them.
Well, it's the private armies, I see the private army explosion as also.
Being very much simultaneous with the explosion of global prisons.
And I think if you go back and you look at the investment syndicates that financed that, I think they were financing it.
It was one plan.
So what they said is, you know, we need the ability to round up and put lots of people in prisons or rendition centers, whichever you want to call them.
And we need the power to do it with.
Private armies or private intelligence agencies that are not subject to governmental oversight.
So we need the ability to do all of this without having to be responsible.
And the question is okay, how can you organize that so you can use government money but you're not subject to government laws or rules?
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Right.
And that's what I tried to talk a lot about at the presentation last year at the Secret Space Program.
Conference was setting up the infrastructure so corporations could get an infinite amount of money from government without being responsible to report to government what they were doing or to turn over the assets that they were building with that money.
Well, it is fascinating.
And that was a completely amazing presentation you did at the Secret Space Program Conference last year.
Of course, this year you'll be there again.
And I can't wait.
I'll be there, I'll be hosting it this year.
And I'm really curious about your presentation.
Yeah, I'm going to be doing a very different one.
Oh, really?
I've already done that one.
You know, if everybody wants to see that, they can go on the internet and, you know, it's available for free.
Yeah, it's there.
Go get that.
That was part one.
Now I'm going to do what I want to look at is the space economy.
So, what is the economy on Earth doing?
You know, what is the investment in space?
How is it growing?
What does it mean?
And what is it doing to all the other parts of the.
Political and corporate system.
And this is really the most underreported story of all.
It's unbelievable.
You know, drive around the country, everywhere you go, there's spaceports popping up all over the country, but nobody ever talks about it.
So, you'll be looking at all the implications on the economics of space, and that's asteroid mining and the strategic opportunities in space.
What I want to do is, I want to build a framework to understand, you know, sort of an overall view.
It's like a map of the space economy, and it's both overt and covert, and it has enormous ramifications to every aspect of the economy because there's going to be all sorts of technological spin offs, there's going to be a reorienting of, you know, where kids go to school and what they do, and You know, it's going to impact, it's going to wave throughout the whole economy.
That's exciting.
So, I want to take a look at the whole thing and give people a framework.
So, as it's growing, you know, one of my beliefs is one of the push for world government and one of the push for a global currency, Daniel, is if you're going to become a multi planet civilization, you know, you're going to need that.
Sure.
So, becoming a multi planetary civilization argues for a very different organization, the financial system here on Earth, than if you're not going to do that.
Yeah, I can see that.
But when you talk about the space economy, I think it has profound ramifications for the global economy.
And I think it's one of the reasons they rebalanced the global economy they wanted to go into space in a big way.
And they have been going there in a big way, whether we know about it or not.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, yeah.
Even though NASA has been cut back and cut back publicly to pre lunar levels.
And apparently they have no budget for anything.
If they can find $27 trillion of the bailouts, I assure you they can find $27 trillion for NASA if they want to.
And in fact, they did because where did that 27 trillion go?
Right.
That's an excellent point.
In one year, when I was looking at all the missing money in one year, $500 billion went missing from NASA.
Oh, that's a lot for one year.
So, where did that go?
Disappeared.
You know?
Yeah.
We're always put down in Turks and Caicos in an endowment for NASA or a private version of NASA.
Who knows?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the amazing thing.
And you track it so well, that challenge between.
The public program, NASA, which has all of these issues, even going back to the moon.
And supposedly, we have issues achieving orbit without a Russian booster rocket these days.
Let me tell you something.
It's very interesting because I worked in government.
The single most competent group of people I've ever worked with is the senior civil service in government.
So when this country decides they want NASA to go to 20 different galaxies, I promise you, NASA can get it done.
They know how to make it happen.
Oh, yeah.
So I'm not saying they wouldn't have to ramp up, but, and, you know, it's funny because this country has so much engineering talent and always has.
But, you know, it seems to me like a lot of the engineers in the country are sick of being pumped and dumped by Wall Street.
The day we stop sort of pumping and dumping everybody and say, okay, now, you know, go to 20 galaxies, I assure you, they can do it.
Yeah, they'd be primed and ready.
But the interesting thing there is the private side of space development, and it's apparently going great.
But all the while, we hear about these major cuts at NASA, so it's quite a contrast.
Well, I don't think it's going great in the sense that if you look at some of the setbacks over the last year or two, you know, every time another rocket blows up, I think, hmm, I wonder if not everybody's so excited about corporations going into space.
Right, right.
It makes you wonder.
So, if you look at where we were in the 60s in terms of what we wanted to do in space, on the overt side, we've dramatically underinvested in space exploration.
Now, who knows what the number is on the covert side?
Depends on which guess you want to pick.
Well, on the public side, we were supposed to have a Mars colony by now.
Well, that's the question, do we?
Yeah.
If left to my devices, I would argue for an unbelievably significant investment in space and space exploration.
You know, as John Rappaport says, hey, let's go out there and see what's there.
So I think it's crazy to bet the ranch on being a one planet civilization.
I think we should become a multi planet civilization.
And I would make major investments in space.
And if you look at what's happening technologically on the planet, we're breaking away the capacity we need to really build a serious space exploration effort.
And the big issue is if we, a lot is happening that's bringing the cost of energy down dramatically, which is the single most expensive input in the economy.
If that keeps happening and we keep bringing it down, then we really have the capacity as a civilization to head on into space.
Well, it's truly bizarre that on the public side we don't have a robust space program, but I think that indicates we probably do have a thriving covert space program.
It seems like all these different indicators would suggest that.
Probably.
Well, it's that disconnect between landing on the moon in 1969 and where we are now.
It's too many years, you know, 46 some odd years.
So I think anyone who looks at it seriously would have to conclude something went wrong in the middle.
Or something went black in the middle.
Something went black in the middle.
Something went black in the middle.
Yeah.
Wow.
Fascinating stuff, Catherine.
You know, whenever we're wrapping up, it's like we're just getting started.
But I have to say, you're at your most intriguing and mind expanding today.
So thank you.
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And thanks again for being on the show today, Catherine.
I really appreciate it.
Okay, Daniel, it was great talking to you today.
Have a great day.
You too.
I'll see you in Texas.
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