Jim Marrs argues that wealthy oligarchs, tracing back to Margaret Sanger and Prince Philip, drive a global depopulation agenda using eugenics, psychotropic drugs affecting 25 million Americans, and glyphosate-laced GMOs. He links the Jade Helm exercise to martial law preparation under six media-controlled corporations pushing for a one-world government, while alleging JFK and RFK assassinations were coups orchestrated by elites like LBJ to protect corporate interests. Marrs concludes that secret societies execute this strategy through pharmaceutical monopolies, urging listeners to question mainstream narratives and secure personal freedom. [Automatically generated summary]
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Population Control Revealed00:04:01
Hi, this is Dark Journalist.
Today I'm excited to welcome back best selling author and conspiracy researcher extraordinaire Jim Mars.
Now, Jim has just released a powerful new book, Population Control How Corporate Owners Are Killing Us.
In the book, he tackles a myriad of complex issues and explores the root causes behind the destructive trend in modern American society, engineered by globalist forces that are bent on world domination.
Now, Jim is well known for his daring research on the hidden forces that operate in the covert deep state.
But his latest material may surprise you with its blunt assessment of the corporate power structure aiming to depopulate the human race around the world.
Jim is taking off the gloves and revealing the grand plan of a secretive elite.
No more Mr. Nice Guy.
Here we go Jim Mars, depopulation, Jade Helm, and human survival.
Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.
And basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever.
But basically, that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.
Well, I think the time for niceties is over.
I mean, because this gets beyond politics or even philosophies.
These people that own and control these multinational corporations want you dead.
You know, for decades, there's been a steady erosion of individual freedoms and personal rights in America and other countries.
Covert forces have shaped an agenda from restricting free speech to militarization of police, dumbing down education, and extreme control over the mass media.
The reasons for this centralization of power may not be 100% clear, but the debate over whether or not it's taking place is over.
It's here, and it's happening now.
So let's go talk to Jim Mars.
Jim, it's great to have you back on the show.
The new book is an excellent piece of work, and I was struck right away by how modern the issues you examined in it were.
Now, we all know you're the master of connecting historical events and groups with the forces that have shaped our destiny and our world, but how great it is to have you in the most modern sense, looking at the most modern research and topics on the ground right now.
Right.
Well, yes, of course, because what's happening right now is what we have to react to.
And deal with.
Right.
You know, a lot of my books, Rule Bus Secrecy, go all the way back to the founding of secret societies and Rise of the Fourth Reich, shows how that we brought all these Nazis over here after World War II and rolled them into our national security state and created what is now becoming quite obvious to many people just a police state.
But that's all history.
But that builds to today.
You know, what's going on today?
And, uh, For most people, they just don't realize that these corporate owners, and let me distinctly separate owners from officers and people that work in corporations.
You know, probably a good many Americans work for some big corporation and they're just a cog in the wheel.
And even when you're talking about leadership, you know, corporate presidents and vice presidents, probably most of those, if you got them down as individuals, you'd find they're good, honest, reputable.
Caring people, okay?
Some of them have Harvard business degrees, but what they've been training and what they're capable at is running a corporation efficiently, making sure that the bottom line stays healthy, et cetera, et cetera.
Corporate Owners as Cogs00:06:51
They most often do not make the policy decisions, though.
This comes from the owners, and the owners could be perhaps the board chairman, could be perhaps a majority stockholder.
Right.
So to be an average person working at one of these.
Companies don't suggest that you'd have the same agenda or even hold the same views or even be aware of some of the more nefarious activities that are going on there.
Right.
But on that higher level, they are setting this destructive agenda.
Who then are these people?
They generally fall into the same wealthy families and oligarchs who, for decades, have been concerned with eugenics, okay, which is basically, you know, they want to eliminate anyone who they think might leave a A ring around the gene pool.
Now, Jim, one thing that would seem like a contradiction in their attitude is this.
You know, don't they need these billions of people to buy their products and be addicted to consuming their GMO food and using their plastic water bottles?
I mean, what kind of profit margin is going to be left if they go ahead and, as you say, depopulate?
A good question.
But the answer is because they are eugenicists and they believe that they need to purify.
The human race.
And if that sounds like the Nazis, that's exactly what it is.
If you'll go back, you'll find that the eugenics movement actually began in the United States, in fact, in California back in the late 1800s.
And by 1935, most of the states had sterilization laws, which said if you didn't shape up, if you didn't match up to what they thought the ideal human should be, then you were subject to sterilization.
What happened was that in the 1930s, the Nazi party in Germany got hold of this and they bought into it.
And carried it to its logical extreme, which is well, we have some people here, some Jews, some gypsies, and, you know, Eastern Europeans, and we don't think that they're as good as we are, so we'll just kill them, get rid of them.
And of course, that led to the concentration camps and the Holocaust.
And so the whole idea of eugenics kind of got a bad blemish on their record.
And so you don't even hear the term much anymore.
But I assure you that at the level of the royal families in Europe, Of the royal families in the United States, although they're not called that, the Mellons, the Harrigans, the Bushes, the Rockefellas, you know, they still adhere to these eugenic ideas.
Margaret Sanger, for example, who was the founder of Planned Parenthood, she wanted to get rid of certain types of people, particularly black people.
And I might point out that Hillary Clinton has praised Margaret Sanger for her ideals.
And so, you know, it is still ongoing.
They want you dead.
Prince Philip, you know, in England, once said that if there is reincarnation, he wants to come back as a deadly virus to help solve the overpopulation problem.
Nice guy.
So, see, this is not just that they look down on the common folks, they really want us dead.
The Georgia Guidestones, that granite monument in Georgia, kind of mysteriously, nobody knows exactly who commissioned it or where it comes from, but it's obviously been pointed.
To as a roadmap for the new world order.
And the very first admonition is maintain the human population of this planet to 500 million people.
Well, wait a minute, excuse me.
Today, the planet's population is about 7.5 billion.
So that begs the question if we go back to 500 billion, what happens to the other 7 billion?
And more importantly, who's going to decide who goes and who stays?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
That's fascinating.
Now, you do have a great quote in there from Prince Philip from when he was the director of the World Wildlife Foundation, where he basically says, We're not trying to preserve any particular individual animal.
We're more concerned with keeping the species intact.
And if we have to cull the herd in order to do that, then that's fine.
So we do get a glimpse there of some of that elitist mentality in that statement.
Exactly.
And that's what we're talking about.
Now, one of the things I noticed was your very thorough and eye opening investigation of the pharmaceutical companies in this.
Book, and you chart how their influence has just been creeping up over time and now is simply explosive.
Now, we could look at their amazing growth in such a short period of time as just a huge push for profits in that industry, but you think that there's something deeper going on there.
Oh, absolutely.
The drug industry has just grown out of sight since the 50s and 60s.
In fact, and the reason that you don't hear about the atrocities of the drug industry.
Is because they're the key advertiser.
You know, if you watch broadcast television and they cut to a commercial, they're either selling you a car or a truck or they're selling you a drug.
And I'll give you a good example of this, Daniel, is that when, you know, one of the issues that truly and correctly deserves our concern and attention is all these mass shootings and particularly school shootings.
And all the mass media can talk about is guns.
Guns, guns, as if taking the guns away is going to solve all this.
Well, let me tell you something.
I grew up in Texas and back in the 40s and 50s, and everybody had guns.
And we even took guns to school on occasion.
I remember saying, hey, look at my new 22.
Okay.
Nobody shot anybody.
Okay.
It's drugs.
Every single school shooter and mass shooter has been on or just coming off of these psychiatric drugs.
And yet the media will not concentrate on that because that's biting the hand that feeds them.
That's their largest advertisers of drug corporations.
Right.
And so you've got that problem.
You've got a whole drugged out population.
They estimate that there's about 25 million people running around in this country now who are on these psychiatric, psychotropic drugs.
And if you read the fine print, you'll find that they admit that these drugs cause suicidal and homicidal tendencies.
Vaccine Push Motives00:13:45
And so, you know, if you have a borderline.
Person mentally, they can be pushed right over the edge.
In fact, this is pretty scary because if there is 250 million people on these, or 25 million people on these, and even if one tenth of 1% is pushed over the edge of insanity and to create violent acts, you got 25,000 potential mass murderers running.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, right, right.
And that's not a very pretty picture, let's face it.
Now, there does seem to be a pattern here, which you outline in the book, that these things that are being manipulated are so fundamental to human survival that it's no longer possible to just ignore it.
You know, it's in the food, it's in the air, it's in the water.
What is it about the rise of genetically modified organisms or GMO in food that is also fuel for this concept of depopulation?
Right.
Well, I think the basic problem with GMO is genetically modified organisms.
Which is now found in the vast majority of food crops in the United States is not only the GMOs, but then the fact that they use Monsanto's Roundup herbicide to help protect and help grow these GMO crops.
And the key ingredient in Roundup is this glyphosate, which they have definitely shown a direct correlation between the rise of the use of glyphosate herbicides and autism.
Dr. Stephanie Sennett, an MIT scientist who has been studying this and has seen the correlation between this herbicide and the rise of autism, presents a pretty bleak picture.
She said, at current rates, by the year 2025, one in every two children are going to be autistic.
And she says it's because of Monsanto's herbicide roundup.
But I think the key argument with GMOs is the basic fact that this is such a recent technological advancement that if it is an advancement, That no one truly knows what it's doing.
Although there is an argument that it's been blamed, the rise of these GMOs has been blamed on the bee population destruction, which has been reported on and which should cause everyone a lot of concern because bees pollinate the crops and they are a vital link in the food chain.
And if you disrupt one of these links, then the whole food chain gets disrupted.
And we're talking about.
You know, damaged crops, famine, all kinds of bad things.
And the problem is we don't know enough about it because it hadn't been here long enough.
And the other thing that really bothers me is when it comes to the use of these herbicides in Monsanto, who let's not forget was the producer of Agent Orange.
Oh, yeah.
And I was in the Army doing Vietnam, and I guarantee you, we were told, oh, don't worry about it.
It won't hurt you.
It's just a herbicide, just knocks leaves off trees so we can see the enemy.
And now, of course, we've got all these veterans with all these health problems, and they realize Agent Orange was the cause of it.
So, there again is a classic example of where they're telling us there's nothing wrong with GMOs, but hey, wait 20 years and we may find out that it's culling the population.
Right.
And I think people at the top understand at least the danger, if not the certitude, of reducing the population.
But as I said, that's okay in their book.
Uh huh.
Right.
So, you think it's part of their plan anyway, so they're able to justify it.
Right.
To reduce the human population.
And let me tell you something their whole argument, Which is that we've got to reduce the human population.
The whole world is overpopulated and is causing a strain on resources.
It's causing pollution.
It's causing psychological problems with everybody jammed together.
And I guarantee you, if you live in one of the big, huge cities and you have to put up with noise and pollution and crime and traffic jams and everything else, it's very easy to fall into that idea that, well, there's just too many people.
We've got to reduce the world's population.
But if you really back off and look at it objectively, that whole argument is false.
And here's how I can say that.
I heard this years ago and I didn't believe it at first, but I checked it out and it's absolutely true.
The average living space in Hong Kong today, and if you picture Hong Kong with all those high rise buildings and it's a whole island of condominiums and apartments, the average living space is 1,700 square feet.
Hey, I lived in apartments as a young man, and I guarantee you, 1,700 square feet is a pretty good sized apartment.
Sure.
I lived in a lot smaller ones.
But anyway, so, and based on 1,700 square feet of living space, the entire 7.5 billion population of the world could live quite comfortably just in the state of Texas.
Wow.
And if you want to spread out and give everybody almost an acre, then the whole world's population could live and have some acreage in Australia.
Okay.
Right.
So, in other words, there's really not an overpopulation problem.
It's a population concentration problem.
Yeah, very interesting.
And we get a little sense of that problem reaction solution pattern in there.
Now, one of the things we should mention here, since we're on the subject of GMOs, is this big push that companies like Monsanto and some of these other food companies are making, in that they don't even want the GMO food labeled.
Now, that's a problem.
That to me is just beside the beyond the beyond.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, what possible reason could anyone have for not simply labeling what's in your food?
Right.
Okay.
And of course, the only argument and internal documents show that people in these big corporations and these globalists, these geneticists, they quietly amongst themselves agree that their fear is if they label certain products as containing GMOs, That people will get afraid and won't buy them.
Exactly.
Okay.
Well, excuse me, if you don't tell people what's in their food, I think that's criminal.
And to me, this isn't about if GMOs are perfectly healthy and if they produce study after study that shows they're perfectly okay.
And that's another thing that bothers me.
All of the studies that have been done on these drugs and on herbicides and on the GMOs have all been done by people either working for or connected to the very manufacturers of this stuff.
I think there needs to be some kind of a bipartisan civilian agency that is not bought and paid for like the federal agencies that would actually study these things and give us the truth about them.
There's a lot of question.
And so, if they would do that and if they would study them objectively, and if they find that there really is no problem, then why should they worry about putting that on the label?
Yeah.
To me, it's strictly an issue of freedom.
People should be free to see what's in the products they consume.
It's that simple.
Absolutely.
And to not label things.
And of course, you could see this when that measure in California was on the ballot to label GMO products, and it got narrowly defeated.
And that's because the industry spent millions and millions of dollars to defeat that.
Well, why would they defeat it if everything was okay and they could prove that GMOs are safe?
It's the same thing with the vaccines.
They try to tell us the vaccines are perfectly safe and harmless.
What they don't tell you is that in 1986, Congress passed the vaccine program that indemnifies the manufacturers of vaccines against any liability.
For dangers from their product.
And at the same time, created a compensation fund to pay back people privately who could show that their children were damaged by vaccines.
And to date, they have paid out over $3 billion to American families whose children have been damaged by vaccines.
And so, again, I'm not just totally anti vaccine.
If I cut my finger on a rusty nail, I'm probably going to be the first one to run down and get a tetanus shot.
Oh, yeah.
There's good vaccines, but there's problems with others, and some of them are there's too much additives, too many bad things, heavy metals, the Marisol, things like that, that they're putting in these vaccines.
And again, to me, it's an issue of freedom.
And California just passed a law that said you have to take the vaccine shot.
You can't get out for any reason, religious or otherwise.
And what about?
Freedom, do they not understand?
Right.
And the real clincher on the vaccine controversy that I find laughable is that this idea of herd immunity.
In other words, the idea if everybody's vaccinated, then nobody's going to get sick, which of course is just patently wrong.
In fact, there was a poor woman who died recently from the measles, you know, and they have been hawking that around the media saying you need to take your vaccines, and they failed to point out that she was vaccinated.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
And so, again, it's a question of freedom.
If there was no, absolutely no danger from vaccines, then why do they have this vaccine injury compensation fund?
In fact, in England here or the UK, just recently they've paid out millions and millions of dollars to 800 families whose children were damaged by the swine flu vaccine.
Right.
And so, instead of looking at this objectively, again, all we have is the pro vaccine.
Mass media propaganda with all kinds of experts telling us, oh, it's safe and everybody's got to do it.
And again, we have the argument of herd immunity.
And that doesn't make any sense to me because the argument is that if my kid is not vaccinated and yours is, and they go to school together, somehow my unvaccinated kid is going to give the disease to you, the vaccinated one.
Well, wait a minute.
Excuse me.
If the vaccines work, why should you worry whether my kid's vaccinated?
That's right.
That's right.
Exactly.
I agree with you.
It's just that, you know, but again, Again, these pharmaceutical corporations own and control the mass media because they're the largest advertiser.
And you'll never hear this.
And as far as, well, yeah, but all the experts say, hey, I'm old enough to remember when there were doctors, medical doctors, on TV and magazine ads saying, smoke camel cigarettes.
They're good for you.
How much did they get?
Okay.
So, hey, doctors and experts can be bought off just as well as the rest of us.
Well, it is fascinating on the vaccine issue because within a short period of time, You know, less than one generation, they've gone from maybe like four essential vaccines against some pretty serious diseases to this whole new requirement of 36 different injections in a series.
Almost 40.
Yeah, almost 40.
40.
And a bulk of those to kids under three years old.
Holy cow.
Yeah.
I mean, just that amount of.
And of course, we all know a vaccine is just a little bit of what they're trying to prevent you from having.
In other words, if, you know, like a flu vaccine, you're actually getting the flu.
Right.
But the idea is you're getting just enough along with some other stuff that your body will build an immunity up and you won't actually get the flu.
But hey, can you imagine a two year old or a one year old that gets, you know, 12 vaccinations?
That's just, that would be awful rough on a young, growing creature like that.
Oh, yes, that's excessive.
And certainly the ruling on SB 277 in California and Governor Jerry Brown endorsing it crosses the line between church and state.
As it eliminates the religious exemption for families.
You know, in our own past, we've actually had wars over that kind of infringement of rights.
Right.
I actually doubt whether or not that particular initiative will last.
You know, we've seen this incredible push by the pharmaceutical companies through the major media and through the political process.
You know, suddenly it's the most important issue in the world, right?
So there's obviously a lot of money at stake.
We see these names thrown around all the time anti vaxxxer.
And actually, there's a new one that I like, which is vaccine junkie.
So that's pretty good.
That's a good one.
Now, you've been able to discern and extrapolate out some of the motives behind this vaccine push that's going on.
Chemtrails and Climate Change00:06:23
What about a mysterious issue like chemtrails, which has been around for the past decade or so?
And no one seems to really know what it is that they're doing in that case.
What do you think is going on there?
Which they still deny even occurring, yet all you have to do is look up in the sky and you can tell the difference between a short contrail and a Chemtrail that stretches from horizon to horizon.
Right, exactly.
Well, what do you think is behind the chemtrail phenomena?
Because, of course, there are a few different theories about what they are spraying up there, and there are concerns that it may be toxic somehow.
Right.
Well, you know, early on, the theory was that they're trying to poison the population and cull the human population.
I don't buy into that anymore.
In fact, never really did, especially after.
People I knew that were doctors and scientists, they said if you're going to poison the population, there's a lot easier ways to do it than dispersing aerosols in the air.
Daniel, I think the purpose of the chemtrails is multiple.
It's kind of like the Kennedy assassination.
It's kind of like the attacks of 9 11.
There were a number of agendas that are being satisfied by these chemtrails.
And, for example, I think that part of this goes back to Dr. Edward Teller, the father of the H bomb, who in an interview said that with this concern over ozone holes, he said we should put particles of gold.
In the upper atmosphere to reflect UV rays and hold down global warming and plug the ozone holes.
And so, you know, of course, gold would be quite expensive to pulverize and put in the upper atmosphere.
So we know that these chemtrails have aluminum oxide.
And I suspect one of the main reasons is to reflect ultraviolet rays and try to hold down what they perceived as global warming, which now today has fallen into some disrepute.
So now they call it climate change.
Right.
Climate change.
Yeah, and there's really no question that climate change is taking place, but sorry, Al Gore, it's not because of our SUVs, okay?
And the reason I can say that is because if you'll stop and look, you'll find that there is climate change taking place throughout our entire solar system.
The polar caps on Mars are melting, indicating that it's heating up and warming up.
Ice on some of the moons of Jupiter are disappearing.
They're heating up.
Outer planets are becoming more luminescent, which means they're heating up.
So, whatever is causing all of this climate change is happening solar system wide.
And so, you know, the arguments that we hear all the time, they just keep falling by the wayside.
So, one of the things is to try to hold down the climate change.
Have you considered that if this erratic weather continues in this country, such as we've had more and worse hurricanes in recent years, worse tornadoes?
Oh, yeah.
Numbers of tornadoes.
We've had Mount St. Helens go off.
We've had all kinds of things happening.
And if that continues, it could cause the insurance industry to go broke.
And if it did, that's a major prop of our entire economy.
And so you can see that they would be taking steps to try to prevent an economic collapse.
So I think that's one aspect.
Another aspect is by putting metals in the atmosphere, you're facilitating the new electromagnetic weapons that are being developed by our military.
And you're enhancing electromagnetic monitoring and surveillance equipment, such as the array up in Alaska, the HARP array, high altitude ARL research project.
And this not only would provide a welcome environment for their new electromagnetic weaponry, but also enhance worldwide communications.
So, I think, yeah, there's several.
And of course, then there's the concern, very real concern, that these electromagnetic projectiles and generators can actually interfere with our thinking processes.
Yes, and that goes back to the work of scientist Nick Begich up in Alaska, who did the pioneering work on the HARP array.
But when he looked into the original patents for HARP, he found some unusual things, like it had provisions for mind control technology in there.
So, what is the status of HARP now?
It now has been turned over to a civilian group who then contracts with the military.
So, that gives them some cover.
They're saying, well, it's not a government project anymore.
And I also understand that there are now more of those arrays than just the one in Alaska.
Oh, yeah.
But the person I interviewed said that they really weren't that successful with mind control when it came to the HARP array.
He said, because basically, he said, about one third of the population was not impacted by these electromagnetic impulses, frequencies.
They were broadcasting.
And of course, he gave me kind of a technical, medical, legal argument.
But what it boiled down to is that before you can interfere with someone's thinking, first they have to be thinking.
Oh, yeah, right.
And so I know he was talking about a segment of the population that has very little education and they get up and they go to work and they come home and they drink a beer and they watch TV and they go to bed and they get up and do it all over again.
And they're not really aware or thinking.
So you're not really impacting them.
Then another third of the population, which I would assume includes you and I, you know, it does impact on us.
But, you know, and for instance, how many times you wake up in the morning and you go, oh, man, I don't want to get out of bed.
Yeah.
But then you go, oops, wait a minute.
I got a call to make.
I got a job to take care of.
I got to do something.
So you get up and you move on.
Blueprint for Citizen Action00:10:37
And so there, it is affecting us, but it's not really affecting our actions, our activity, or our lives.
He said, but the problem area is the final third.
of the population who are borderline schizophrenic or psychotic and said these, uh, these brain, uh, frequencies, uh, that are being broadcast by these, uh, electromagnetic generators and projectors, uh, can actually push them over the edge.
And that there again is, could be an explanation of why it's only been in the last 20 years or so that we've seen this incredible rise of mass shootings, uh, you know, irrational shootings, uh, shootings in schools and churches and all like that.
Well, that is very interesting, and I can definitely see how that could be true.
You know, you mentioned the last 20 years in there, and really, in the final analysis, all of these issues in the book have come about in that period of time.
So, if we go from the excessive prescription drug use that's occurred in the last 20 years, or the militarization of police we're seeing all over the country, that's off the charts in the last 20 years.
The rise of the GMO and its use on our farms.
So, we seem to be in a period where all of these issues have really come to the fore.
And now we're reaching a peak of this negative trend, would you say?
Well, and I think the thing there is see, these globalists, as they style themselves, these corporate owners, they don't work in the short term.
They work in the long term.
They're looking way down the road.
I mean, they were trying to put together a new world order under a world government back at the time of World War I with the League of Nations.
And of course, the only thing that stopped that was at that time the U.S. Senate was filled with real Americans who were not.
Subjects of the corporate world.
And they said, We don't want to give up our sovereignty.
And so the League of Nations never quite worked.
And so then in World War II, when all the nations were allied together to fight Nazi Germany and the militaristic Japan, you know, in the middle of the war, they suddenly quit referring to the Allies and started referring to it as the United Nations.
And then a year or so after the war, they actually had a meeting and created the United Nations.
And there's been a controversy over that up till now.
And that is the fledgling framework for a one world government.
But they've been slow in putting that together because most people in the world, including most Americans, simply didn't want to give up their national identity.
But they're working hard at it.
We've got the European Union now.
And now some of the European nations, Greece, Ireland, others, are going, wait a minute, I'm not sure we want to be in this.
Right.
And of course, this comes at a time when they're trying to put together the North American Union, Mexico, America, and Canada that Bush put together back in about 2005.
And of course, then eventually they'll put together an Asian Union.
And this is following the blueprint that was actually written about back in 1948 by a Fabian socialist over in England who was well connected, probably knew what the plans were.
And he used the pen name.
George Orwell.
Oh, yes.
And of course, in his famous novel, 1984, he outlined how they would put these three economic blocks together and rule the world.
Yeah.
And they're working at it.
But you're right, Daniel, that in recent years, in the last 20 years, it's like they're really put a rush job on it.
It's almost as though they are approaching some sort of deadline, you know, and we got to hurry up and get control before something.
Happens right.
I don't know, but it doesn't seem to you that there's an unprecedented push now to try to corral the human population, surveil us, uh, keep up with every individual.
I know I live out in the unincorporated area of a county, and I've been out here almost 40 years.
For oh, for 20 or 25 years, I just give my address as the post office box that I have in this little town, and nobody ever said anything.
And just about Since the Obama administration came in, all of a sudden, no matter where I go, no matter if I want to use a credit card or write a check or whatever, they want a physical address.
They want to know where they can put their hands on me.
And I've seen that progress over the years, and to me, it's kind of disturbing.
Yes.
Well, that's the new policy, I guess.
One of the really fascinating points that you've made regarding where we are now as a country.
Is that in the past, you know, there have been fascist states that have arisen, and it's where the state merged and took over the corporations.
Now, we're tending towards a similar path, but outside in, where the corporations are taking over the state.
Right.
So it's the other way around.
But we're headed towards the same kind of centralized situation.
The end result's the same.
Yes.
Fascism.
Right.
Which is defined as the combination of state and corporate power.
But here's what's interesting.
The word fascism actually came from Benito Mussolini's, the Italian dictator in World War II, and his black shirted fascisties.
Okay.
And from there came the word fascism.
And Mussolini himself said that fascism really was not the correct term.
He said a more correct term would be corporatism.
Corporatism, right.
Rule by the corporations.
And that's exactly what we're seeing today.
And most people, I don't think hardly anyone who's well read or is looking around, Would argue with the fact that this country today is being run by the corporations.
The thing is, where they might say, well, Mars, you're just kind of paranoid or you're a conspiracy theorist, is because I say that the people who own and run these giant multinational corporations, again, they do not have our best interest at heart and they really want to cull the human population.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, it's fascinating because, of course, so much of this is done through the media.
Because I can recall even a period when it was very unpopular to be a part of a corporation and There were all these things about corporate this and corporate that, and it was a real kind of a negative connotation.
But now it's like everyone wants to join Amazon or Google, and it's, you know, let's face it, corporations are great.
Yeah, that's because back at the time you're talking about, there was actual private ownership of media all across the country.
Every city had one, two, three newspapers, had four or five radio or TV stations that would compete with each other.
And when one put out some information that might not have been, Correct or was one sided, then there was another station or newspaper that would put out the opposite side.
But today there are six major multinational corporations that control everything we see in here.
And I'm not just talking about news, I'm talking about book publishing, book clubs, satellite, radio, TV, networks, cable, billboards, magazines, you know, everything we see in here, advertising, everything is now under the control of about six corporations.
And according to a university study that these corporations are owned and controlled by interlocking, uh, individuals as owners and board chair, board, uh, people and directors.
And so, in other words, you got a handful of people that control everything we see and hear.
And this has led to a lot of the problem because a lot of people are well-meaning, well-educated, but they're not getting well-rounded, uh, information.
And, uh, I don't care how smart you are.
I don't care how brilliant you are.
If you're operating off of incomplete or erroneous information, you'll never be able to make correct decisions.
Absolutely, yeah.
Well, this is where all of these mergers and buyouts and consolidation into fewer and fewer hands has really set the stage for this massive centralization that we're living in.
And let's not leave out Disney, of course.
You know, they're in there too, and they have to start them young.
Well, they're right up at the top.
In fact, they have just.
Played and played on the idea that, oh, if it's Disney, it must be good for the kids.
Right, exactly.
So basically, we see people with GMO and with the pharmaceutical abuse and things like that, and the general entertainment industry.
There's a lot of dumbing down and almost like a zombification of average people.
So, and it's easier to do with the technology.
And of course, the technology is a two edged sword.
There's great things associated with it, but certainly it's a tool for control.
So, one of the things you have in there is a kind of blueprint for citizen action.
And I find that interesting because you're sort of offering solutions while you're surveying the territory.
Well, I think the number one step is the same step that they tell you about in Alcoholics Anonymous.
You know, the very first step of their seven step program is to admit you have a problem.
And there we go.
And actually, this is a big step because there are too many people who go to their job.
They don't really listen to the news.
They don't really read the newspapers.
Or if they do, they read one paper and watch one, you know, they watch Fox News or they watch CBS, and then that's about it.
And they feel like that they're well educated, but they really are not getting the full information.
So the step one is to understand that we really do have a problem.
If you read my book, Population Control, you'll find out all the problems we have with food, water, fracking, vaccinations, a police state, the fact that our police are being trained by Israeli police.
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Uh, counter insurgent and counter terrorist experts.
So, this is why all of a sudden the police, instead of being the boys in blue, now they're, you know, treating everyone as though we're a potential terrorist, you know, and, and, and they're being weaponized by the federal government to the tune of machine guns and flamethrowers and, and, uh, uh, tanks and, uh, armored vehicles.
You know, what do you need an armored car to chase speeders or, or a shoplifter, you know?
Oh, it's a great point.
And that leads us to the strange military exercise in the U.S. that's happening now and will continue for another month, and that is Jade Helm.
Right.
Now, there's been a lot of wild talk about what they're up to, but also concerned citizens and legislators who wonder what the military industrial complex is up to now.
When we come back, we'll ask Jim what he thinks is going on.
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Powerful stuff and really very timely.
Now, Jim, you've talked to people in Texas and your sources on this.
What is behind the massive Jade Helm military exercise?
And what are you hearing about it?
I've even talked to people in the military, and they're a little bit suspicious and wary of this whole thing because, for example, we have military equipment here in North Texas.
And where I am, it's rolling green hills and woods and creeks and stuff, you know.
And they say, well, we're practicing for foreign battlefields like Afghanistan, Iraq.
Wait a minute, those are deserts.
Right.
You know, there's nothing like North Texas.
So who are they trying to kid?
I think what I and many others see is the fact that they are obviously preparing for martial law to impose military discipline on the civilian population, which would be a direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which was passed.
About 1870, in the wake of Reconstruction, when so many of the states realized that being run by martial law was just nothing but tyranny.
And so they passed the posse comitatus, which clearly states the U.S. military cannot be used in police functions against the public of the United States.
And yet they have consistently worn that down over the years, going back to the drug war.
Well, we're going to send up the Air Force and use Marines and use special operations groups to go in and try to stop the drugs.
Okay.
And everybody went, okay.
And then you got Waco, where they killed people, okay, and women and children using military equipment.
All right.
Yeah.
And then, of course, and then you come on up to 9 11, you know, and after 9 11, you saw uniformed troops in airports and bus stations.
And so they have just constantly worn away at.
And now I think they are getting ready to have them all trained and set to go if they feel the need to impose martial law.
That's very disturbing.
You know, so much of this centers around Texas.
As you mentioned, the core of the Jade Helm exercise is in Texas.
And there you are right in the middle of it.
And I don't think it's just a coincidence that Texas is probably a hotbed of.
Secession, basically.
Right.
I can go back several years that, and I, and by personally, as a newsman, met state senators and state legislatures who, who openly and, you know, spoke out about seceding from the union and going back to being a republic here in Texas.
You know, see, unlike most of the other states that were all annexed by the United States, Texas, after it broke free from Mexico control, Mexican control, became a republic.
And for several years, it was a free republic, which voluntarily by vote volunteered to join and become one of the United States.
Well, as such, obviously, we could say we don't want to do that anymore, and we could just secede and say we're going back to being a republic.
And I guarantee there's plenty of Texans who feel that way.
And so I find it interesting that in this Jade Hell military exercise, On their maps, they have labeled Texas as hostile territory.
Well, that has to feel good.
There is some kind of creepy symbolism going on in the Jade Helm logo.
Now, can you talk about that for a minute?
Because I really think this imagery is worth exploring here.
You'll find that at the top it says Jade Helm and it says Master the Human Domain.
Wow.
Now think about that.
What's the human domain?
Everything that has to do with humans.
And they want to master it.
Okay.
Now, and then you see the symbols.
You've got the crossed arrows, which traditionally represent air power, superimposed over a sword, which traditionally is meant ground power.
But look right in the middle, and what you're going to find is a wooden shoe, but it's white and it's kind of blobby.
And you have to really look at it.
So it's not that clear, but it's obvious that's what it is.
Now, what's a wooden shoe got to do with this military exercise?
And this is what bothers me because having written and studied about Hitler and the Third Reich, immediately what came to my mind was the fact that when they put people in those Nazi concentration camps, they gave them striped pajamas and they gave them wooden shoes, clogs to wear.
And they did that because those clogs are heavy wooden shoes like the Dutch boy wears.
And number one, you can't run fast.
And number two, clump, clump, clump.
You can hear you wherever you are.
So it would be difficult to get away from your captors in wooden shoes.
And the second thing was that they would give them these wooden shoes, but they did not give them any socks.
And these wooden shoes, after a while, would irritate their feet.
Their feet would become infected, and some of them would die quicker.
Now, why would that symbol of concentration camps be on this modern jade helm US military exercise?
I ask you.
Well, that is really intriguing.
You know, Jade Helm, far from being an internet myth, is a real military exercise, largely ignored by the media.
There are even congressmen in Texas who are concerned about it and want to observe the troop movements.
I mean, you know, let's get real here.
This is very strange stuff.
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Right.
Yeah, the governor of Texas ordered the Texas State Guard to monitor Jade Helm and see what's going on.
And what kills me is to me, that was just a very low key prudent thing to do.
You know, hey, guys, just.
Take a look, see what they're doing, you know, big deal.
And yet, man, look at how the major corporate media blasted him like he was some sort of paranoid idiot or expected, you know, some kind of Red Dawn scenario to take place.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You know, it's just amazing.
But see, what that does is show you the unreasonable, irrational, but nevertheless concerted control over the mass media in this country.
Absolutely.
There's just no question about it.
Well, let's talk about the media here for a moment.
Now, you've studied them inside and out and discovered their links and connections to the globalists and their agenda, the worldwide corporate powers.
Six corporations control everything we see and hear.
Right.
Well, if you can just give a brief snapshot here of these globalist forces behind the media, their mentality, and where do they draw their biggest strength from?
Well, their biggest strength comes from the fact that although there are literally a handful of people, They tend to have the top positions.
For example, you look at the last few administrations and presidents that we've had in this country, go back to 2000 when there was an election and Al Gore was running against George W. Bush.
And yet, according to Burke's Peerage, a very prestigious genealogical publication in England, they were both related, okay?
And they both came from oil rich families.
But of course, one was a Democrat, one was a Republican.
But Burke's periods predicted that George W. Bush would become president.
And the reason they gave is because he was more closely related to the Windsors, the ruling family of England, than Gore was.
And then you get to the re election of 2004.
And you got him going up against John Kerry, another relative.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then we find out that the Bush family and the Cheney family are related.
And then you go, well, thank God at least we got Barack Hussein Obama.
And certainly he's not related to Cheney's and the Bushes, but you'd be wrong.
Because according to Dick Cheney's wife, Lynn Cheney, they trace back their 10th cousins removed from Barack Obama.
So wait a minute.
And then if you want to get even stranger than that, the Bushes are related to Obama through a family named Hinckley.
And John Hinckley Sr. was a close friend, business associate to George Herbert Walker Bush.
And his son, John Warnock Hinckley Jr., was the guy who shot Reagan.
That's right.
That's right, exactly.
Bush into the catbird seat as acting president.
Now, is that just a little incestuous or what?
Yeah, absolutely.
So, yeah, they're all the same bloodline.
They're all related to the same families.
And needless to say, they're all.
Of the same mindset, and they all want to protect their position and wealth, and they're going to see to it that nobody gets in as president or gets any power and control in this country unless they're, you know, on the program with them.
This is why, when I first heard that Donald Trump was going to enter as a presidential candidate, I snickered to myself because I thought, who in the world would vote for this guy with his bad hairdo, you know?
But then I began to have second thoughts because here comes the Democratic leadership, the Republican leadership, the mass media, okay, and they're all just piling on, you know, and attacking viciously Donald Trump.
And that tells me he must have put the fear into them.
They must have figured out that, hey, here's a guy that's got enough money that we can't control him.
So now they've got to destroy him.
Yeah.
So anyway, it's just a real circus.
And of course, I've always said we have the best political system that money can buy.
Well, it's true.
You know, money has really corrupted the political system here.
And after the Citizens United ruling, where the Supreme Court blew away what little controls there were on campaign spending and now allows special interests, corporations, lobbyists to really interfere financially in free elections, that's a kind of legalized corruption.
Right.
But thinking about presidents and how they get into power, we have to reflect back 50 years to when JFK got in by the narrowest margin.
Now, he and his family were among the wealthiest in America at the time, yet as president, he didn't seem to cater to these globalists.
He was actually concerned for humanity as a whole, so he really was an exception to this pattern.
See, that's it.
A lot of people, particularly the leftists, like to portray John F. Kennedy as a rich man's son, an Eastern liberal, you know, one of these moneyed elite.
And in a certain way, there may be some truth to that, but the absolute truth is that he was the Grandson of a poor Irish immigrant.
Right.
And there was a time in the late 1800s, early as 20th century, when the Irish, poor Irish immigrants, had as bad a rap as some of the illegal immigrants of today.
They were said to be bringing disease and they wouldn't work and they were lazy and blah, blah, blah.
And it was quite a job for these Irishmen to finally work their way into American society.
And so when Kennedy got into the presidency, He, above most modern presidents, really had an affinity for the poorer people and for people of other ethnicities.
And he began to work to try to level out the playing field.
That's one of the reasons it got him killed.
Yeah, there's no question.
And I think he really stands out as a very unusual president when we look at the number of things he did that were diametrically opposed to that centralized control grid system.
Exactly.
In fact, you know, to understand the Kennedy assassination, you have to understand that by the fall of 1963, Kennedy had managed to alienate and anger every hostile and every dangerous violent faction in this country.
The military was against him, the CIA, most of the CIA people were against him, most of the FBI people were against him, the mafia was against him, the Texas oil men and the defense contractors were against him, corporate leaders were against him.
David Rockefeller was paying for page ads in the New York Times blasting Kennedy's economic policies because he was trying to curtail.
The power of the multinational corporations.
For example, prior to the Kennedy Tax Act of 1962, a lot of these companies, particularly oil companies, would have their refineries down in the Bahamas or somewhere like that, somewhere offshore.
And they were not listing those assets for tax purposes.
Under the Kennedy Tax Act, he said, I don't care if your faculties are in some other country, if it's your company and it's an American company, you're going to pay taxes on it.
And so, you know, that's the kind of thing that angered him.
He was even talking about doing away with the oil depletion allowance, which is the foundation for oil money.
So he just managed to hack off everybody.
In fact, in June of 1963, he issued $4.2 billion in red inked silver certificate notes, which bypassed the Federal Reserve, and we didn't have to borrow.
All this money.
It was based on silver certificates held by the Treasury Department.
So, in other words, he was taking steps to curtail the power of the Federal Reserve System, which is neither federal nor does it have any reserves.
Right.
It's a collection of private banks owned by private banks, many of whom are owned by non Americans.
And so, see, he managed to make everybody mad.
Well, issuing United States notes, that'd be a real American currency.
That's a fascinating idea that he had.
Oh, by issuing money like that, interest free money, he became only the second U.S. president to create his own money and not borrow from the international bankers.
And the first one, of course, was Abraham Lincoln, who printed up greenbacks to support the war between the states.
And I don't think, Daniel, I don't think it was just a coincidence that both Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy were shot in the head in public.
Oh, yeah.
You take on the bankers, and you're really asking for it.
Now, that is fascinating, though, about the silverback notes because it is perhaps the only time in history where there were actions taken against the Federal Reserve officially and their whole money printing monopoly.
Now, I can see that it made JFK very undesirable as president from their perspective.
Yeah, let's not forget.
See, people, they're dumbing us down, and we're not being taught our history, so we don't understand these things.
But you go back to the presidency of Andrew Jackson.
Back in the early, about 1830.
And he did away with the latest rendition of a United States central bank, okay, which was robbing the poor people and being corrupt and everything else.
And he just did away with it, called them a den of thieves, or no, a den of vipers.
But anyway, and interestingly enough, Andrew Jackson, who did away with the central bank, we didn't have one until the Federal Reserve came along in 1913.
Became the first president to be the object of an assassination attempt.
That's right.
But they missed him, okay?
And he later even blamed it on the European bankers.
So, you know, this is all nothing new, but it's new to most people because they're not taught our true history.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, around the time that the Federal Reserve came into being, a little over 100 years ago, so we're talking about 1913, there was a lot of debate about the pros and cons of a central bank.
And lots of opposition.
If you look back actually to the news accounts of that period, there's really a lot of controversy.
Oh, yeah.
There was a lot of controversy at the time and on up through in ensuing years.
It's kind of like I recall distinctly back in the 70s when Jimmy Carter got elected, the corporate media was not totally under corporate control.
And there was a lot of reporting about how Jimmy Carter had been placed into the presidency by the Trilateral Commission.
There were even skits on Saturday Night Live about it.
And, you know, they actually were talking about it and about how this one little secret society was able to manipulate so much in Washington and had brought a lot of attention to the Trilateral Commission, which was nothing more than an offshoot of the more secretive Council on Foreign Relations.
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You know, and so, but then all of a sudden you've got all these mergers, all these leverage takeovers.
The media is now down to six corporations, and boy, they just don't talk about that anymore.
Oh, it's unmentionable.
Although, if you want to know who these people are, in my new book, Population Control, in an appendix, you're going to find the attendee list for the 2014 Bilderberg meeting.
Okay.
Here's the names and positions of these people some of whom are European royalty, some are U.S. royalty, some are corporate heads.
Some are corporate owners, some are front men for the more hidden corporate owners.
But there you're going to find the names and addresses of real living, breathing people who are behind.
Not all of them, not everybody attending Bilderberg is some kind of sinister conspirator.
But within there, deep within there, you're going to find the inner core and the people who are represented by some of the attendees who are the self-styled globalists who want you dead.
Right.
And like Henry Kissinger, I suppose, fits the profile.
Right.
And Henry Kissinger's on record saying if you control oil, you control nations.
If you control food, you control the people.
So he understands how it works.
He, well, he's obviously along with Rockefeller taking the age extension technology because he's been in there forever, right?
That's true.
I bet he doesn't eat GMO crops.
Exactly.
In fact, let me tell you here's an interesting story I came across.
There was a fellow who was the chief chef at the White House for both the Clintons and for the Bushes.
Okay.
Until the Bushes fired him for whatever reason.
It was kind of unclear.
Maybe because he was trying to make them eat right.
But he says that when Hillary Clinton was in as the wife of President Bill Clinton, she insisted that he only buy organic food, locally grown, farm produced food.
In fact, he had a garden on the White House roof where he was instructed to take fresh vegetables and fresh fruits.
And yet, Hillary Clinton is on the record as supporting Monsanto.
In fact, Monsanto is one of her biggest campaign contributors.
And in fact, a fella named John Crawford is an.
Is in charge of her super PAC to get her reelected, and he is a former Monsanto lobbyist.
So she, you know, advocates GMOs and all of this synthetic processed food and non organic stuff.
And yet, of course, for her and her family, she only eats the good stuff.
Now, how hypocritical is that?
Yeah.
But it also, I think, Daniel, explains why that, you know, we're told to eat.
Fast food, eat processed food, buy the cheap stuff, you know, live off Cheetos and Twinkies and McDonald's burgers and stuff, and yet they don't and they live longer.
Yeah, yeah, it's so true.
Well, just like one of the things you've reported on over the years, which is aspartame, well, recently they yanked it right out of Diet Pepsi.
Now, they didn't admit it caused cancer and had these other harmful side effects.
But they did say, you know, enough people were concerned about it, so we're taking it out.
I thought that was pretty much a real breakthrough.
Exactly.
Well, and therein lies the manner of getting some of this stuff straightened out.
You have to, like I said, start off first, you have to admit that there's a problem.
Then you have to educate yourself on the truth of the problem.
Study up on fracking, study up on what they're putting in the water, study up on sodium fluoride, study up on aspartame.
And, and then come to your own realization of what's real, what's not, what's good, what's not.
And then go out and inform other people.
Talk it up.
Tell them what you know.
Don't get in their face.
Don't try to preach because nobody wants to get preached to.
In fact, they'll just bow their neck and then call you a conspiracy theorist or whatever.
And, you know, but hey, throw out questions to them, you know, say, Hey, if aspartame is so good, why did they take it out of Diet Pepsi?
You know, hey, if we're supposed to be so afraid of, Foreign terrorists slipping weapons of mass destruction into our country.
How come they haven't done anything to secure the southern border?
Right.
You know, 9 11, say, hey, I don't quite understand.
How can two planes knock down three separate buildings?
Yeah, exactly.
Just get them to start thinking for themselves instead of listening to the corporate control mass media.
And then they can start taking steps.
One of the steps would be like you just said about aspartame.
Yes, I agree.
It's getting that good information, like we did on aspartame, from people like you.
And others that made a real difference here.
You know, I guess the question that's starting to rise now in our public consciousness is really just how bad is this issue of fracking and is it going to get a lot worse?
So, what are your thoughts on that?
That's going to be an uphill fight because right here in Texas, in Denton County, which is next to the county I live in and is the home of two universities, they got wise to fracking and how harmful it was.
It not only is causing earthquakes, but it's also in some places wrecking the water table and the aquifers.
So, they actually went and got the county commissioners and they passed laws that said you can't do fracking in this county.
So, what happens?
The governor of Texas pushes through a law that says the local entities cannot pass laws prohibiting fracking.
Holy cow.
Wow.
What about freedom do these people just not understand?
Wow.
Incredible.
But it's going to be a fight.
And in California, you know, they put up a fight about this no exemptions for vaccinations.
And it got passed.
And Governor Brown signed it.
Okay.
But I don't think it's over.
And I think as people will really begin to realize what's going on, I think that there could be a recall election, and the next big election, they might put it on there as an issue.
And I think if people simply stop and think about it, they would say, hey, you know, if a doctor and the parents agree that they don't want their kids vaccinated, then, you know, it's a question of freedom.
Absolutely.
Well, going back to fracking for a minute, you know, there was this story recently about a guy in Pennsylvania who got up one day and just turned on his faucet, and half his house exploded.
Now, he's all right.
He's fine.
But I don't think there's going to be this ability on the part of the corporations to hide just how dangerous their practices are.
Now, but Jim, let's look ahead here to 2016.
And we see Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton as the likely nominees for the presidency on the rise.
Now, how does that make you feel after all this research?
I can't even go there.
I don't know of anyone.
Who is totally satisfied with life in the United States today.
Okay.
I don't care what issue you want to talk about.
There's always somebody that's upset, you know, about the way things are going, illegal immigration, shootings, police state, you know, you name it.
And if you go back, you'll find that all of this was basically put into place, starting with the Clinton administration and then through the two Bush administrations and then and continued through the Obama administration.
And now here we are going into the election year of 2016.
And it looks like we're going to be faced with a choice between another Bush or another Clinton.
Yeah.
What's wrong with people?
You know, come on, folks.
If you don't like the way everything's going today, why would you vote for the same people?
Yeah.
You know, it's Albert Einstein, I think, said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Oh, yeah.
And of course, there's all this research, as you well know, that indicates that the Bushes and the Clintons actually have a tight working relationship.
Going back to MENA, Arkansas, when Bush Sr. was running Ollie North and his Contras, who were bringing drugs into the country through Nicaragua on the whole Iran Contra deal.
And Bill Clinton was up there as governor of Arkansas at that time.
So it is intriguing that shady partnership that these two families have.
Well, they're both just puppets of the same corporate interest.
Yeah.
So it's Goldman Sachs, Monsanto right, or Goldman Sachs, Monsanto left.
Yeah.
Exactly.
In fact, now you're beginning to get the correct picture.
You see, there is really no two party system in this country.
We only have a one party system with two wings.
We've got the somewhat liberal Democratic wing and with the somewhat conservative Republican wing of the same party, which is the War Party.
So now they will allow us to squabble around and argue and have debates over certain societal issues like same sex marriage or stem cell research.
But when it comes to foreign policy and aggressive war in the Middle East, And other wars in the Ukraine or whatever, then they're all on the same page.
It's all the same thing.
Nothing changes.
That's because the war party is the party of the international bankers, the defense contractors, the military, et cetera.
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I was thinking about the arc of your books, and I'm going back to Crossfire.
I have the updated edition, which is really excellent.
But I think about Crossfire through Rule by Secrecy and the Fourth Reich.
Coming all the way to this book.
And it seems very interesting that a lot of the roots of what we're seeing now happened out of the 60s and the militarization that took place after Kennedy was assassinated, along with Robert Kennedy and then Martin Luther King.
And then there's this period of consolidation, it seems.
And, you know, in the books, you can kind of see this steady build towards what we're in now.
But I wonder, when you look at it with all this information that you have on the Council on Foreign Relations and trilateral.
And these, like the Bilderberg group, where would you say, you know, in terms of their power now, are they at the zenith of their power?
Have they been weakened at all by the mess, you know, internet spreading all this information?
And where are they now, would you say?
I think they're in panic mode.
Right.
I think they're running scared.
And the reason for that is that they almost had it put together, okay?
And you're right.
I think it really began to pick up speed with the coup.
Of 1963.
When they killed Kennedy and they totally took over, there was a huge strata of American society, not the middle class, not the poor folks who didn't know anything, but among the strata of business owners and top bankers and top leaders who had nothing whatsoever to do with the assassination.
But they understood that the power had shifted and they went along with it because it was good for business.
And the Vietnam War.
Ensued and everybody, particularly here in Texas, got really wealthy and did quite well due to the war effort.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I mean, just right around Dallas Fort Worth, we had Ling Timco Vault and Convair and General Dynamics and Bell Helicopter and Texas Instruments.
And I mean, and they all prospered quite well.
And so there were just too many people who, well, that's okay, you know.
And so they sat back and they did nothing as this, uh, Super militarized national security state was put into place.
But what they had not counted on was the internet.
As the computer technology came along, like the people who ran the Warren Commission that looked into the death of John F. Kennedy in their wildest nightmares, I don't think they could have ever conceived that in the year 2015, junior high kids, you know, 15 years old, could get on a computer and dissect.
Assassination pictures, photographs, documents, pull up the whole thing, you know, and look and see the obvious holes and the obvious suppression, the obvious fabrication of some of that evidence.
Hell yeah.
And begin to understand what's going on.
And then, because everybody's in contact now, everybody's got a cell phone, everybody's got a computer, everybody's on Twitter, everybody's on Facebook, and they share all this information.
And so, all of a sudden, they're in panic mode now because I think we're in a foot race to see if they accomplish their ultimate objective, which is to create their new world order with everybody under surveillance, everybody under control, everybody under bad foods, bad air, bad water, which will cull the population.
Make the rest of the population sick, which is only going to benefit their pharmaceutical and medical establishments and monopolies that they have.
Or are we going to, more and more people are going to wise up and we're going to rise up and we're going to say no, you know?
Yeah.
They've been trying to get us into a war with Iran now for what, 10 years or so?
Sure.
And every time they're just about there, you know, the majority of people go, no, I don't think so.
Right.
And so we hadn't done it even before that during the Reagan years, you know.
All of those hard nosed Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld and all those guys, they were trying to get a war going in Nicaragua, in Central America.
And everybody said, I don't think so.
No.
And they said, no.
So it ended up being the Iran Contra scandal.
Yeah.
Okay.
Which we were shipping arms to Central America and bringing drugs back.
And of course, since then, we've had Waco, we've had Fast and Furious, where they were sending guns down to the Mexican drug lords.
So, they could try to disarm the American public.
That's another thing I find quite ironic and that I detail in my book, Population Control, is how that, according to congressional records over the past couple of decades, it's the United States that has been the arms merchant of the world.
We have provided 78% of the arms that get into the hands of groups and terrorists and factions and individuals all around the world.
78% of these arms come from the United States.
Whew.
And then, which is way more than the combined arms sale of both Russia and China.
Russia, 5%.
China, 3%.
Wow.
All right.
So together, their arms sales are 8% of the arms in the world.
The United States is 78%.
Unbelievable.
So we're the arms dealer of the world.
And yet, the irony of it is that's selling arms to people and groups all around the world.
But here at home, they try to take guns out of everybody.
Is that just ironic or what?
Well, Jim, those stats are amazing and really make the push for gun control ring hollow.
I mean, let's face it.
But I guess they just don't trust an average guy like you with a gun.
Well, I grew up in Texas, and my particular personal opinion is if there's one person out there, and I don't care if they're a legal law enforcement officer or a soldier or a bureaucrat, I don't care if there's one person out there with a gun, I'm going to have a gun.
Oh, yeah, right.
So it's called being equal and being able to defend yourself.
Because every other society in the history of the world, whether you want to point to the Russians or the Germans or the Japanese or whoever, the first thing the tyrants do is take up the guns.
And after that, it's always an uphill fight because they have the guns and the public does not.
Only in the United States have we been able to secure our personal freedom as much as we have and as long as we have because, well, number one, we have a heritage of individual freedom and liberty.
Two, we have the legal basis for that freedom and liberty, which is the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.
And three, we have guns.
And as long as we can keep those guns, then we'll hang on to those other two.
My guess is Thomas Jefferson would agree with you on that.
Right.
But you know, Jim, we have to sell arms to the Middle East because they have to fight ISIS now, don't you know?
Except the problem is a lot of the guns and missiles we sold went to ISIS.
Yeah, that's a problem.
You know, again, we got the best enemies money can buy.
Definitely true.
Now, what do you think this group, ISIS, really is?
It's a creation of the CIA.
It's nothing more than another morphine of the old Muslim Brotherhood.
And again, you have to go back and learn your history.
You have to learn that in the 1930s, prior to World War II, they created this Muslim Brotherhood, which was a very conservative movement there among Arabs in the Middle East.
And the leader of the old Muslim Brotherhood then got to writing to Adolf Hitler.
And said, Hey, I think you're doing good.
I'd like some tips from you.
And Hitler decided that since he had his eye on the oil rich Middle East, that that would be a good combination.
So before you knew it, the Nazis had pretty well taken over the Muslim Brotherhood.
And that's why during World War II, when our troops were over in North Africa fighting the Afrika Corps, they had almost as much trouble with some of the Arabs who were members of the Arab Brotherhood, Muslim Brotherhood.
And then after the war, of course, the Nazis were.
Defeated and the British then moved in and took control over the Middle East and took control over the Muslim Brotherhood.
But then Abdul Nasser of Egypt sank ships in the Suez Canal, told the British, you know, get out or you'll never use the Suez Canal to connect England with your possessions in the Far East.
And so they did.
They were war weary and they pulled out.
And then that started with the modern Middle East.
And the British turned over the Muslim Brotherhood to the fledgling CIA.
And they ran it for a long time.
And then by the 1980s, when the Russians moved into Afghanistan, the CIA wanted to counter them, okay?
And yet nobody wanted to risk World War III.
So they sent members of the Muslim Brotherhood under Osama bin Laden into Afghanistan to combat the Russians as our surrogates.
But they couldn't use the name Muslim Brotherhood because the people with good memories would remember that that's who we were fighting as pro Nazis.
During World War II.
So they changed the name to Al Qaeda, okay, which simply means the base.
And a lot of people, I know early on, I thought it meant their headquarters, okay, their base, except come to find out, and this was verified by some officials in England, that actually refers to the CIA database.
Oh, yeah.
That they can reach in there and they can find these, they're old members of the Muslim Brotherhood and they can mess them up, have them go fight anywhere.
During the Clinton administration, when we were fighting in Kosovo, We were using the Muslim Brotherhood under the name Al Qaeda to run, and we were allowing them to run drugs into Europe in exchange for fighting for our factions in Kosovo.
And then, of course, came 9 11, and it was a ready made enemy.
You know, it was Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden was behind it all.
And, of course, never mind that he actually died in December of 2001.
Up until the Obama administration, we were still, he was.
Enemy number one, even though I recall that I think as early as 2003, perhaps, George W. Bush even said, Oh, well, we don't care much about Osama bin Laden anymore, which was incredible because, I mean, he's the one they tagged as the architect of 9 11, which, of course, is the foundation for our war on terrorism and the basis for everything that's going on now, including the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.
And the passage of the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act and all of these other tyrannical pieces of legislation that they put into place.
Okay.
And so now since, uh, and, and you can go back to 2013 and you find that Obama officially publicly announced that he was bypassing the U.S. law that states you cannot sell weapons, uh, to known terrorist groups because he said he wanted to arm the, the rebels in Syria so they could overthrow Assad.
Okay.
Right.
And who were the rebels in Syria?
Well, they became ISIS.
And these again are simply, these were the old Al Qaeda people, but we didn't want to say we were arming Al Qaeda, so we called them ISIS.
And then all of a sudden they're beheading people and killing Christians and causing havoc over there, and they become our big enemies.
And so now our big enemy is ISIS, okay?
Yeah.
It's all a facade, it's all a big game, and it's all a big hoax.
But of course, you can't tell people that because they watch TV.
Yeah, they heard it on CNN.
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And this is Dark Journalist.
I'm here with Jim Mars, the influential and often plagiarized author.
And he's here today to talk about his new book, Population Control.
Now, Jim, we were discussing how, in some almost Orwellian fashion, our allies at one time became our vilified enemies at other times, depending on our geopolitical needs.
9/11 Profits Exposed00:03:21
And of course, much of that is true now with this ISIS group.
And certainly was true with Al Qaeda, who were originally the Mujahideen and working with us in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
And that all leads us to 9 11.
Exactly.
And what that leads to is either one of two things, okay?
Because the evidence clearly shows that there was plenty of forewarnings, plenty of information pouring in.
If you'll remember the testimony to the official 9 11 Commission, you know, it said the warning signals were blinking red, okay?
So.
What it comes down to is they either knew these attacks were going to happen and they allowed it to happen, as in Pearl Harbor, okay, to, to suit their political purpose, which was to create these agencies and these, this response, this anti-terrorism,
you know, uh, so they either allowed it to happen or worse yet, if you really look at the information, for example, they're still withholding those pages from the congressional report, which point to Saudi Arabia.
Yeah.
As a key government agency behind 9 11.
And in fact, all you got to do is look at the names of these so called hijackers, these like 16 of the 19 hijackers.
None of them were Iraqis.
None of them were Afghans.
They were all Saudis.
Okay.
Right.
And who were the close business and social friends of the Saudis?
The Bushes.
Yeah.
I mean, and then you look at the money situation, which is two months before the 9 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
The World Trade Center, which was owned then by the Port Authority, was there was a 99 year lease sold to Silverstein, Silverstein Properties.
And the first thing Silverstein did was go and hire a security company called SecureCom to provide security for the World Trade Center.
Now, SecureCom just happened to be run by a.
It was the Bush family.
Yeah, by the Bushes.
Marvin Bush was on the director, and the board chairman was Walker III, as in George Herbert Walker Bush.
Another relative.
So the Bushes controlled the World Trade Center's security, and then he went and got insurance on the World Trade Center, not from State Farm or some local deal, but from Swiss Re, an alliance, the giant Nazi German insurance company.
And then two months later, they're hit.
They say it's, oh, it's terrorism.
And he wanted to collect double indemnity, but he ended up for a $125 million investment.
He got back $4.6 billion.
Doesn't get better than that.
Which he had to share with the mortgage holder, who it turns out was Blackstone Group, who is headed by none other than Peter G. Peterson, who, by some strange coincidence, is chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations.
So now you see at what level the 9 11 attacks took place, who profited.
And I think you can build a case that they actually instigated the whole thing.
JFK Assassination Deal00:14:53
Yeah.
9 11 was an inside job.
Yeah.
And when we look at it like that, we see the aftermath of the centralization and the kind of sort of police state actions that they've made since then.
It's gone pretty well for them, say, over the course of these 14 years.
And yet, there are still a lot of questions out about it.
In other words, I don't think that the public actually, in their heart of hearts, buys the official story on that.
No.
It was the same way with the Kennedy assassination.
And I know because I lived through it.
And especially, and I was even here in Dallas, I met Jack Ruby and I met most of the people involved, and I know how it worked.
And I want to tell you, for about 15 years after the Kenny assassination, it was just considered bad manners to bring it up and talk about it in decent company.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I have seen the same thing in the wake of 9 11.
We're almost to 15 years now, and only now are there people, average people, beginning to talk seriously and question it.
Although, all of this through this 15 years, I know talking to people, everybody had questions, but nobody wanted to confront the truth of the matter, just like they didn't want to confront the truth of the Kennedy assassination.
Fascinating.
To think that it was our leadership and people in our country behind all this is just too terrible to be thinking about.
Well, groups in the national security state have used false flags here and in other countries to achieve certain political objectives.
Do you think that's riskier for them now since the public knows a little more about how these things work?
Do you think they need a new method for achieving their pernicious objectives?
No.
Why give up a winning streak?
If it worked umpteen times in the past, why stop now?
No, there'll be false flags.
There certainly will.
In fact, a lot of people who are watching the current scene and are really apprehensive about the fact that the next one's going to be a real bombshell.
Pardon my pun.
But it could be.
You know, a nuclear attack.
It could be a nuclear strike on one of American cities.
It could be, you know, it's going to be big and it's going to be bad.
It's going to be so traumatizing that, again, it'll take years for people to finally come around and admit that it's a false flag.
Perhaps.
The only good thing is there's more and more people waking up to all of this, and it's getting harder and harder to pull off a false flag.
Well, what about cover ups?
You know, in history, we've seen these deep events happen.
Let's say from the Kennedy assassination forward, and the pattern seems to be put out the cover story and have a commission rubber stamp it.
So, how do you think these covert forces have survived all of these cover ups?
I mean, the official stories around events like the Kennedy assassination would never have held up under regular free press, free media circumstances.
With the Kennedy assassination, there was never any proof that Lee Harvey Oswald fired from that sixth floor window.
There were multiple gunshots from maybe multiple locations.
And they were able to control the investigation and the news media and say, well, it's just one guy with these three shots, although nobody could actually see anything.
There's no hard evidence.
But that was a prototype.
They got a little better.
By the time of the Robert Kennedy assassination, they had a brainwashed assassin, Sirhan Sirhan, standing in front of him with a gun firing.
Okay.
But even though he didn't kill Robert Kennedy, To this day, he probably thinks he did because they jumped on him, and it was discovered later that he had hypnotic blocks.
And same thing with the guy that shot John Lennon.
You know, he just stood there smiling while the police came to get him.
So they had gotten a lot more sophisticated, okay?
Yeah.
And now they've actually got patsies that'll go out and do some of these things.
Except I think that what we'll find out, if the truth ever comes out, is that some of these people, there were other people involved.
But once you have your patsy and once he's either dead or caught and is brainwashed and doesn't really know what happened, then it's easy to say, well, that's the end of that and block any further investigation.
Right.
And I think we see that in several of these things.
The next time they're going to have to be written.
This is one thing that I think has saved us from a massive false flag attack up till now is that they're going to have to really put together a good scenario, okay?
Because there are more and more people now who are looking with suspicion when these things happen.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, it's funny.
You mentioned Sirhan Sirhan, and that's definite MKUltra material.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's been demonstrated.
They've done very interesting tests with him under hypnosis and found that he's very impressionable.
Oh, yeah.
But to me, it was the forensics.
Okay.
Sirhan never got to within about six feet of Kennedy and he was at his front.
And yet, the world class medical examiner, Dr. Thomas Naguchi, testified in court under oath that the shot that killed Robert Kennedy was fired into his right mastoid, which is the bone behind your right ear, and from a range of no more than three inches.
Okay.
So, whoever killed Kennedy had a gun right up to his head and Fired the fatal shot while, meanwhile, while the chaos was going on and Roosevelt Greer and these other guys are jumping, Rayford Johnson, they're all jumping on Sirhan, Sirhan.
And he's firing wildly, bam, And that's why the Los Angeles police went in and took out the door panels and ceiling tiles and door frames and everything else because there was probably more evidence of more shots fired than Sirhan had in his gun.
Well, yeah, they covered it up.
And it's fascinating that.
LBJ decided not to run that year.
I always found that interesting.
Well, I think he heard the guns go off in Dealey Plaza and he knew what was coming.
And he also knew that he was tremendously unpopular because of the Vietnam War.
He also knew he had made a big mistake turning that war over to the military and to the defense establishment and prosecuting that because, you know, he had been told at the time, it's now come out, he'd been told that, you know, we don't want to get.
Involved a land war in Asia.
And yet he went along with them.
And I think he realized his mistake.
And he also was egotistical enough that he wanted a good rap in the history books.
Okay.
And that's why he went along with the Civil Rights Act and helped push them through Congress because he knew that was an idea whose time had come.
And he wanted to be on the right side in the history books.
And so I think what happened was there towards the end, he realized he should have never gone in Vietnam or prosecuted.
As the full blown war he had, and yet he couldn't very well stop it.
If he did try to stop it, then he knew he'd get shot just like Kennedy and Robert Kennedy.
And so he just stepped aside and said, That's it.
I'm not going to run again.
I'm out of here.
I think it's fascinating that he didn't run for re election.
And I can see what you mean about him realizing the gravity of the situation and just getting out.
Now, interestingly enough, I had the very good fortune to recently interview Douglas Caddy, who was the Watergate lawyer for the burglars.
Later, he was also Billy Celeste's lawyer.
And Celestes came forward in the 80s with all of these charges against LBJ, who was already dead by then.
Now, one of these charges that he made was that LBJ was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
What did you think of the allegations of LBJ's involvement?
Well, yeah, I knew Billy Saul, and I knew his story, and I knew what he said.
And basically, I think he's telling the truth.
He took the rap for Johnson on the fertilizer tank scandals, went and served jail time rather than rat out Johnson.
And that's why he.
Did well and lived as long as he did.
I think just common sense would tell you that once you're over the hurdle of conspiracy and you understand that John F. Kennedy was killed as a result of the conspiracy, okay, more than one gunman, and the fact that all this was covered up at the level of the federal government of the United States, then I just common sense would tell you you don't kill the president of the United States if there's any chance that his successor is going to come after you.
Yeah.
And so there obviously had to be some kind of deal.
There's a huge argument and controversy going on today over Johnson's role in the Kennedy assassination.
Some people believe he was the mastermind and that he ordered it and he put it together.
I am not one of those.
But then it ranges down to people who said, well, somebody got hold of him and said, hey, you know, here's what's going to happen and we know we can count on you.
And I tend to fall into that camp because.
Johnson, powerful as he was, murderous as he was, I don't think he could have just operated in a vacuum.
He had to have support from the FBI, the CIA, the military.
And so this was a huge palace revolt.
And how directly involved in it he was, I really don't know.
Although it's really interesting that a convicted hitman named Wallace worked for LBJ and was connected to several murders.
And his finger, Mac Wallace's fingerprints, were found on the sixth floor of the school book depository.
Right.
We knew for a number of years that the FBI had gone up there and fingerprinted all those boxes of books and doorways and door handles and everything else.
And they then fingerprinted the employees of the book depository and matched them up.
And so that took care of a good many of them.
But we knew that they had some fingerprints that did not, on the sixth floor, match up to any of the known employees there.
And that went on for a few years until a Texas investigator finally got Mack Wallace's fingerprints, matched them up, and fingerprint experts said on a 30 point match, which is court admissible evidence, that this was Mack Wallace's fingerprints on the sixth floor.
Now, so that prompts some of the researchers to say that LBJ sent his hitman, Mack Wallace, up to the sixth floor to do the actual shooting.
I'm a little leery of that.
I don't think Johnson was that stupid.
I tend to think that they either got Wallace up there, or better yet, they got some of his fingerprints and planted his fingerprints up there so they could maintain tight control over Johnson.
Fascinating.
Well, that would be some major leverage for sure.
You know, I think the Mac Wallace fingerprint story is very powerful and has been heavily suppressed by the media.
And also, Celesti's testimony certainly supports the idea of Johnson being involved.
You know, as we both know, they did try to bring the story out in 2003 with director Nigel Turner.
Who had made the documentary called The Men Who Killed Kennedy?
And the segment with Wallace and LBJ was called The Guilty Men.
That's right.
And that episode was banned by the History Channel after a long legal complaint by Bill Moyers, of all people, who was a former LBJ aide.
And obviously, Moyers didn't want the truth out there about his old boss.
Now, other people, including former President Ford, also applied heavy pressure to stop it.
So it's a fascinating story there about the banning of this documentary in a free society.
And that again shows you that this is not a Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal issue.
At the very top, these oligarchs and these globalists, as they call themselves, they're of all stripes, but they're all operating off of one game plan.
That's definitely true.
And I think their biggest enabler is the media, who has not given us the real facts of these important historical stories from the JFK assassination until today.
I think you're right.
And I think that's why you don't hear me on national programs or national TV because I haven't changed my story since the time it happened almost.
And it's pretty funny.
In fact, I started teaching a course on the Kennedy assassination at the University of Texas at Arlington in 1976.
Wow.
I taught that for 30 years before I retired in 2007.
And my conclusions, Which were that Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy that was hatched, carried out, and covered up at the highest levels of the federal government of the United States, thus making it a coup d'etat.
You know, my, that conclusion, which I came to in 1976, wrote about in 1975, was on the front page of the newspaper down here.
And then I, and it never wavered.
It never did because all the information that dribbled out, oh, all the way up to 2007 and even past, uh, my new updated version of Crossfire is now, it came out in 2013.
And same conclusions.
And all the information that has come out up to 2013 does nothing but support my conclusion.
Well, that's a great track record.
And I think the information that you've brought forward on the assassination and on other subjects like secret societies, the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, this has really changed our understanding of the deeper aspects involved in our public institutions.
So, you know, I know we've touched on several of your important books today, and really they have changed the dialogue.
On many of these topics.
And that's no easy feat, Jim.
So, congratulations.
And I think with the new book, you're having that powerful impact once again.
Well, I appreciate you having me on today and having an opportunity to talk about population control.
Profit from Population Control00:01:25
It's really an amazing story because not only are they killing us, but they're profiting from it.
Right.
Because they're culling the weakest, most susceptible fringes of the population, the very young, the very old.
And then in between, they're making their people sick.
Which is only increases their profits for pharmaceuticals and their medical monopoly.
And so it's an amazing situation.
They're accomplishing their depopulation effort and then having us pay for it and profiting from it.
That is fascinating.
The one thing you can't say about them is they're stupid.
Exactly.
Well, Jim, it's an excellent book.
I've really enjoyed it.
And it's been great having you on the show today.
I encourage everyone to pick up a copy of Population Control if you want to get up to speed on what's really happening out there.
There.
And you can get it on Amazon or at jimmars.com.
Jim, thanks again and have a great day over there.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
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