Dark Journalist celebrates a million views by featuring Linda Moulton Howe, Catherine Austin Fitz, and Richard Dolan to dissect a $40 trillion "black budget" allegedly funding off-planet investments. Guests like Dr. Joseph P. Farrell and Paul Hillier argue this secret network, potentially linked to MJ 12 and suppressed zero-point energy tech, constitutes a breakaway civilization waging World War III against the public. Ultimately, the episode suggests that deep state manipulation of manufacturing and finance aims to control global governance while hiding advanced extraterrestrial capabilities from humanity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Million Views Celebration00:03:25
Hi, this is Dark Journalist.
Today I want to thank everyone and celebrate with you that our channel has just reached over a million views.
Because we've been doing the show and you've been spreading the word, more and more people are discovering the important topics and guests that we've been covering here over the last year.
And together we're reaching a much deeper level of insight on these crucial matters.
Now, this special episode will capture the best moments from the past million views with clips from investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe, financial expert Catherine Austin Fitz, historian Richard Dolan, former defense minister Paul Hillier.
Scholar Dr. Joseph P. Farrell, UFO investigator Stanton Friedman, and Professor Peter Dale Scott.
I can't think of a more exciting and enlightening collection of clips.
Here we go The Best of Dark Journalists Breakaway State, UFO Secrecy, and the Black Budget.
What country have we been living in since 1963?
How much sham and camouflage by forces that don't want to be identified?
So there's a lot going on underneath the ground and a lot going on, you know, in the skies.
And whatever it is, it's very expensive.
If you don't consider the black budget, if you don't consider this hidden system of finance, then you're missing over half of the financial picture.
It means that you've got.
Private internationally based financial power that sits behind really every single country and government that there is, and certainly includes the US.
So, who's really in charge of our world?
The deep state is not a structure, it's not something solid like an iceberg.
You can't precisely say where it stops and where it ends, but it can be very forceful.
We're a planet, not just a bunch of nationalistic groups.
No government wants to admit that.
Bankers are already on the battlefield.
And the people are not yet engaged, and we have to get engaged very soon, or it's going to be game over before we get started.
The best of dark journalists Breakaway State, UFO Secrecy, and the Black Budget.
The truth is never easy.
You know, one of the best things about doing this show is the incredible tapestry of knowledge and wisdom that pours forth from the special guests that come on this program.
When you and I are studying the deep state, the breakaway civilization, UFOs, the black budget, and a myriad of complex subjects, we need the very best minds and individuals with the courage to give us the truth.
Because as we know, the truth is never easy.
So let's have a look at these special highlights, and thanks a million.
Investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe, Dark Journalist episode ET Resurrection and Interdimensional War.
Well, you also see a powerful influence from ET intelligence in our ancient past.
And of course, you regularly appear on the Ancient Aliens TV show.
Yes.
But it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that your conclusions on this line up very closely with the work of the late Zacharias Sitchin.
Ancient ET Influences00:04:24
And he wrote about how the Anunnaki visited the early Sumerians and the two powers, one being called Enlil and the other Enki.
And they had a lot to do with human development at that time.
Enki and Enlil.
Right.
Enki, E N K I, was like the Prometheus character in the Greeks.
Enki.
Loved humans and thought we had a right to live.
Enlil, who was responsible for overseeing our creation for their labor to go down in gold mines and do that sort of thing, thought that we should be destroyed once they were through.
That's been the historic argument from the Sumerian, Mesopotamian, what was always considered mythology.
See, it was safe.
Anything that's put in mythology is safe.
So, when you bring it out of mythology and you say 5,000 years ago, tall extraterrestrials, maybe from Mars and Sirius and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2,
as two or three new downloads from Air Force colonels seem to suggest, that it's becoming more of a story that we're at a long line from Zeta Reticuli, Sirius B, Mars.
And a history that someday maybe humanity in the far future will be told about the truth there.
And we then are at the third planet from this sun with only the current standing up primate, only has 35,000 years.
And the Neanderthal story and the Mesopotamian Sumerian story, in an odd sort of way, to me, they sort of link in my mind for this reason.
If the Enlil Enki extraterrestrial factions, and remember we're talking about one type that split into two parties, one wants us to stay alive, one does not.
Right.
35,000 years ago, give or take, Neanderthalensis had been on the planet for quite a long time with a bigger cubic brain capacity than homesickness.
We now know that Neanderthalensis buried its dead, put flowers on the graves because scientists have now found the pollen.
There is now work going on in France, Spain, and that area where they have now been able to carbon date.
And they know that some of the fascinating geometric wall paintings were done by Neanderthalensis 45,000 years ago, before Homo sapiens sapiens, this modern model, ever walked the planet.
And where I'm coming is Enlil Enki, historically and mythologically, have an argument about what to do with the life, as Zechariah Sitchin says that he translates they made you, human, they made you.
They wanted you to be the ones who could breathe the oxygen and mine the gold and do all this.
They didn't want to do it.
They couldn't live in this oxygen atmosphere like these that they made.
They get into a fight.
Well, that was 5,000 years ago.
I'm going back 35 to 40,000 years ago.
What is it that caused Neanderthalensis to be replaced by Cromagnian Homo sapiens sapiens?
Was it ETs?
And if it were ETs, what was it that they wanted in Cromagnian Homo sapiens sapiens that they didn't have in Neanderthalensis?
Why are humans so violent?
Soul and Dimensional Travel00:03:53
Is there something about death itself that is being studied or used?
Would that then translate into how do you move dimensions?
How do you move point to point?
What is the translation technology for me to get up right in front of your camera and literally disappear?
Because I have generated a field that I have learned how to do that will translate me to literally another dimension, but it can be like walking two feet away.
There is a possibility, I'm just saying, there is a possibility based on some things I've been exposed to, that one of the reasons for human abduction.
Is trying to create a certain combination of a body container and a mind and a soul that can operate in what we would call the extrasensory perception level.
Perhaps one of the keys to interdimensional travel.
Is not brute propulsion.
Brute, meaning we have fire and we're blasting things off with fossil.
Yeah.
It may be that eventually what we could learn is that all of this experimentation genetically is to try to come up with a species that is strong as a container but has the ability to open up dimensional doorways.
Oh, interesting.
If that is the end game, which several people that I respect have suggested, what happens at the moment of death?
What happens over and over and over again?
The container ceases to be alive because the heart stops pumping.
And then the brain, the brain is more like the car engine, keeps the car going.
But if all of the near death experiences and what one author calls death travelers, because they've been medically dead and they still see and they still have vast experiences and they still have their heart.
Be brought from a flat line and their brain brought from a flat line, and they're describing, well, what else could have perceived?
You have to come to the soul.
That the soul is the animator truly of consciousness, not the brain, which is more like an engine.
And that if the soul is the important part in terms of recycling, it's the only part that recycles.
Then the idea that we're in a multi Dimensional universe with parallel universes and timelines that some know how to enter and exit.
Classified 3D Printing Tech00:15:05
That's probably the key of what the Department of Defense would like to know.
What if it comes down to a mind or a consciousness soul combination?
It has nothing to do with brute force of fuel.
And I personally think that's part of how complex all this is.
Historian Richard Dolan, Dark Journalist episode UFOs and the Breakaway Civilization.
Right, so these good researchers have built on your innovative theme.
So let's have your definition of this based on your original concept.
Well, the idea of a breakaway civilization is really think of it as the black budget world on steroids, which, well, it is actually.
So, when you consider, well, I'll start by telling you a story.
I had a conversation some years ago with a scientist who had worked at the NSA back in the mid 1960s.
This scientist is quite brilliant, he's very famous in his field.
One day I'll give up his name.
But in the mid 1960s, he was working at the NSA and told me that at that time the NSA had computers running at a clock speed of 650 megahertz.
Now, I don't know if that means anything to someone.
I mean, because any computer, my computer here is way faster than that.
Yours is.
Every computer today is.
But the thing is, in 1965, A, there were no personal computers.
And B, that clock speed was not matched by the consumer market until the year 2000.
So 35 years.
On that metric, you could say the NSA was 35 years ahead of the rest of the world.
Not too shabby.
Not too shabby.
So that's a tangible example.
So let's think about what a breakaway civilization could be.
Again, go back to the 1940s.
Assume that something like Roswell happened or the Aztec crash or a number of other ones that I think did happen.
So you've got this exotic ET technology.
It's so far ahead of you, you can't hope to replicate it, but your scientists will work on it in highly compartmented, black budget environments where they have a lot of money and a lot of security to do it.
So, if they can't replicate it right away, they still might have some nifty ideas, maybe ways to improve integrated circuits or fiber optics and what have you.
So, nice money making opportunities.
And there, by the way, goes all of your incentive for unveiling the secret because you have a goose that lays golden eggs.
But let's say they go a step further.
So, you have a couple of genius scientists and a team, and they discover that they figured out propulsion.
They figured out how to get these things without using gasoline.
Maybe some version of Tesla technology.
Maybe that's what this is.
Or some other way to access the zero point energy field.
Whatever that answer is.
And I don't know exactly what the answer is.
I think it has to do with electrogravitics and Tesla technology.
But whatever the answer is, let's say they get it.
So now they're thinking, wow, this is awesome.
The whole world can have their own flying saucers.
We can just zip around the planet using free energy, right?
Wrong.
Because their bosses would say, Great job, guys.
We're not going to let this one get out.
This stays here because that, of course, would take down the petroleum industry.
That would take down everything.
That's a global revolution right there with implications that are vastly too frightening for these people to contemplate.
That is too much freedom for you and me.
And I don't mean to sound cynical here, but the fact is, if they're trying to run a world, A, they're not worried about running out of petroleum.
It's 1960, and it seems like you have enough to last forever.
And by 1960s consumption, maybe it would have, right?
And without the environmental problems that they weren't considering or any of that stuff.
So, from their point of view, petroleum was not an issue.
They're making a lot of money off of it.
So, they thought, let's keep this classified.
Let's keep working it.
Let's see where we go.
Well, now you've got a situation where this technology is classified.
The rest of the world is literally unable, it's illegal for them to follow up.
Certain patents are classified.
So, we're all going on this petroleum paradigm, but they're moving on to something totally different.
So, they're in a different science.
Our future is now being held hostage, and they're just jumping further and further ahead.
Because the way science works is one breakthrough leads to another, which leads to another.
And if a certain population is prevented from making that first breakthrough, then these other guys are just going to go farther and farther ahead.
That's true.
And I think that is exactly what's happened.
So, what do I mean by that?
Well, I think that they've developed their own, for lack of a better word, their own flying saucers.
There's a fair amount, believe it or not, of good.
I would say intriguing and probably truthful leaked testimony that says exactly that.
That we've actually had some version of flying saucer for a number of decades now.
If that is so, that means that the black budget worlds have the ability to go off world.
They've had the ability to go to the moon, Mars, maybe?
Sure, why not?
Have they gone elsewhere?
It would give them a society.
That is so radically different, with a knowledge base that is so fundamentally different from what the rest of us have, that you can consider them legitimately, I'd say, a separate civilization, one that has broken away from our own, hence the phrase breakaway civilization.
Scholar Dr. Joseph P. Farrell, Dark Journalist episode Breakaway 2.0 ET Wars, Black Budget, and the Nazi Superstate.
I wanted to ask you about this new technology that we're seeing everywhere called 3D printing.
Now, it seemed to just arrive one day out of the blue, and it's quite an innovation.
But how does it fit into this idea that the breakaway group is sort of making careful preparations for dealing with this ET presence that's out there?
And why 3D printing?
I think it comes out of the black world.
And I think there are two agendas here, to be quite honest.
I think the first part of the agenda is to retrench manufacturing into North America.
Okay.
And the reason why 3D printing is tailor made for this, to get everybody using it.
And in the long term, expanding the capability of the technology that's available publicly is to get people accustomed to using it and producing things.
And what this will do is it will dramatically decrease distribution of goods and services in this country.
That will bring down the price of labor.
So, in other words, we're looking also at a deflationary trend.
And that's not what the standard economic models are predicting and haven't been predicted.
Yeah, all the pundits are on a totally different page.
All the pundits are on the dollar's going to collapse, we're going to have hyperinflation.
Well, they've been predicting hyperinflation since Nixon took us off Bretton Woods.
Right, right.
And it hasn't happened.
And the question is why?
Well, it's because they're not looking at the whole financial picture.
Right.
And my hat is off to Catherine Fiske for pointing this out.
If you don't consider the black budget, if you don't consider this hidden system of finance, which was set up to deal with the UFO, Then you're missing over half of the financial picture.
So, in other words, you're committing a material omission in law.
Yeah.
So, in other words, these models don't work because they're not looking at the right model.
Yeah.
Well, they're missing the crucial aspects.
They're missing crucial aspects.
Right.
The black budget and the way it's designed to funnel money out of communities could be drug running, could be mortgage fraud.
But whatever mechanism it is that they're using, they know how to keep this financial flow going regardless of what's happening in the real world.
The black budget, you know, this huge amount of liquidity that it has, and so on and so forth.
So, 3D printing is a deflationary pressure.
It's a technological deflationary pressure on the dollar.
Okay?
Okay.
So, that's the first thing.
They're trying to bring manufacturing back.
But now, the second thing you'll notice is that 3D printing is tailor made, tailor made for the kind of dispersed modular manufacturing that Albert Speer.
Did in Nazi Germany in 1943 on to the end of the war, and with a vengeance, because what 3D printing would conceivably allow you to do, follow me here, this is very important.
Okay.
What it would allow you to do is to have, let's say, a little company in Midland, Odessa, Texas, that's producing parts, so many parts of a widget, you know, for some big, under some big government contract.
So they're producing, 3D printing these little widgets.
Right.
In their garage, you know, here's your hundred widgets.
That's the perfect way not only to disperse manufacturing and therefore reduce any target.
You see, it's hard to bomb out of existence a dispersed manufacturing network.
True.
All right, that's the first thing.
The second thing is that's the perfect way to get everybody involved in covert production for secret stuff and they don't even know about it.
So, in other words, you're looking at the possibility of a Manhattan project going public and nobody even realizes that they're doing something.
Oh, yeah.
You see, oh, I'm building this little mechanical wave reader part, you know.
Okay, fine, you know.
But somebody somewhere is assembling this.
Somewhere else.
Yeah, somewhere.
Which, again, you can do underground just as easily as you can do above ground.
Right.
So, in other words, I'm looking at a really interesting strategic picture.
That tells me they want to bring manufacturing back to North America.
Number one, they want to exert a deflationary pressure on the economy and make labor cost efficient for manufacturers.
And then, secondly, there's a strategic hidden military purpose here.
They're dispersing that manufacturing because they can now, they've got the technology, and that would conceivably, thirdly, enable covert projects production to really take off, and nobody would be the wiser for it.
You know, if you're China wanting to bomb the United States into economic oblivion, what do you target?
Right.
You could be producing this stuff in Milbank, South Dakota, and no one would be the wiser.
Yeah, right, right.
So there's no kind of large scale Ford factory you can hit, it's all spread out.
Right.
And you could have these small teams of people working on manufacturing these items, and they don't even know what they're for or what the components are.
I think so.
It's very interesting, and it reminds me of what you were saying about the spy satellite having a dual purpose.
Yeah.
So, there's a definite signature there.
We'll definitely keep an eye on this for the future and see what kind of developments come out of this curious technology.
Yes.
Former Defense Minister of Canada, the Honorable Paul Hellyer.
Dark Journalist episode Money Mafia and the UFO Cabal.
Now, I wanted to start off with something that I've heard you say often, which is that World War III would be fought between the big banks and the citizens of the world.
Now, can you tell me what you mean by that?
The Third World War is already underway.
Between the banking cartel, the money mafia, as I call them, and the people.
But the trouble is that the bankers are already on the battlefield and the people are not yet engaged.
And we have to get engaged very soon or it's going to be game over before we get started.
Now, what would you say is a good way for an average person to get engaged on something like this since the battle is already underway?
Well, the first thing they have to do is understand something about the problem.
Because most people just accept the status quo as far as the international banking system is concerned.
And the sort of response I get from people is, well, leave it to the experts.
Well, I said, the experts have been running the world for the last 50 years, and look at the messages.
Right.
And so something new has got to be tried, something new is absolutely essential.
Basically speaking, governments have to create part of the money at least.
And I've been pumping for 34%.
There's some people who say maybe they should create all the money.
I do not agree with this for reasons which I explain in my book.
I think it's unnecessary.
I think the banking fraternity have a role to play, a continued role, but more in the nature of a public utility.
Rather than masters of the world, which is what they've been for far, far too long.
So we have to, first of all, understand what the problem is, and that is the reason really for the money mafia.
And then, once we understand, then we have to demand some action.
We have to demand some action from the president to create enough money, which he has the Technical legal authority to do to get the economy up and rolling and then to get rid of the Fed, which is a 101 year old curse to the United States and the world.
Right.
Reengineering North America's Economy00:05:47
It has caused more problems than just about any institution you can possibly think of.
It is still doing so.
It is the handmaiden of the banking cartel and the so called cabal of which it is a part.
And it's out to take over the world, which it's doing very quickly, unless there is a counterattack.
Financial expert Catherine Austin Fitz.
Dark Journalist episode The UFO Economy.
So, if the major changes took place with the National Security Acts you mentioned, And then Bush took over the covert side in the 80s, and after that, we got derivatives.
Where are we now in this whole process?
They must know that they can't keep the technology a secret forever.
Well, I'm not sure they know that.
I mean, from what I can tell, they've kept a lot of technology very secret, and it's very secret today.
Uh huh.
You know, it's certainly not part of the mainstream understanding.
I can see that.
So, I.
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah.
So, things would go forward in the same way with this wall of secrecy around these technological advances.
They would continue to develop these things, and the gulf grows bigger with the breakaway civilization operating with different science, different medicine, different technology.
And then here we are going along as we're allowed to go along.
That's pretty much where you think we are.
You know, it's, I don't know.
We have a breakaway civilization.
They have shifted, you know, my estimate from 1990 on is they have shifted over $40 trillion out of North America, you know, out of the existing systems in North America into something else.
And that is, you know, you're talking about an amount of money on a scale which is enormous.
And the question is, you know, how much of that is designed for investment off planet and how much of that is designed to.
You know, assert control of governance of the entire earth versus how much is going to be used to re engineer North America's economy.
You know, I don't know.
It's unfolding.
We're watching it.
Clearly, I think there is an effort underway to re engineer North America's economy.
There has been a real effort to assert a global governance system through the G7 and G20.
You know, where that seems to be much more, I think they're running into a lot more saltwater taffy on the ground than they were hoping to.
So, I think that's, you know, they're kind of bogged in the mud globally and re engineering in North America.
But what their goal is, to me, very much depends on what are the phenomena they're dealing with.
And that's what we don't know.
What is the phenomena, you know, what is the UFO phenomena?
And are they trying to manage that or are they just, you know, is that just their operations?
Dark Journalist episode.
Economic crash up and the black budget goes global.
Where I talk about why Congress can't re engineer the federal budget, it's all stuck behind the black budget issues.
I see.
And, you know, go through the different parts of the budget and what some of those challenges are.
Because this is the thing that's got to be faced and talked about.
You know, and you know, you've heard me say this before.
If a bunch of soccer moms can't move Tony Soprano out of the neighborhood because he's financing James Bond, we're all stuck behind that.
Right.
Yeah.
And so that's the.
Transparency we need.
Yeah.
And I think what's very compelling and brave about your approach on this is that you do go into the space aspect and you talk about how a lot of this money is probably disappearing into a large covert space structure that the public has no idea even exists.
Right.
And it's not just a space infrastructure, it's an underground base infrastructure.
Right.
In other words, you know, whatever the truth is on the underground basis, they're.
Clearly, a lot of them, they're clearly very expensive to not only build but to maintain.
So, there's a lot going on underneath the ground and a lot going on in the skies, and whatever it is, it's very expensive.
Yeah.
So, one of the things you've pointed out is that there's so much money that's disappeared that it's not just people buying Ferraris and mansions, it goes much deeper.
Right.
That's what's so frustrating during the bailouts because we're talking about lending or gifting to the banks.
Enough money to pay off all the mortgages in the country three times over.
That's how much money that was.
So, imagine that you paid off all the mortgages, all the student loans, all the consumer debt.
You could have paid off all the government debt, too, right?
So, we're talking about an extraordinary amount of money, and we're seeing all sorts of corporate media implying that this is because Goldman Sachs partners are making too much money.
We're talking about money on a whole different scale.
We're talking about the kind of money it takes to create an endowment.
To finance the government on a private basis forever.
Listener Appreciation and Feedback00:05:10
That is so interesting.
Coming up, more of the best of dark journalists.
But first, DJ reads your viewer comments.
You know, I've received some amazing comments from you on these shows, and I'm very grateful.
The intelligent, good humored, and informed commentary is a welcome contrast from what you usually run across on the web, and it's a great inspiration.
Now, I wish I could get to them all, but I've chosen a few here that caught my eye.
This one is from Otherworld Journeys, and it says This fabulous interview includes some of the most profound, valuable, and insightful intelligence and guidance that many of those who really listen are ever likely to hear from somebody else.
Thank you, Linda and Dark Journalist.
Now, that is on the Linda Moulton Howe E.T. Resurrection and Interdimensional War episode.
Thank you very much.
The next up is The Lonely Nikonian.
This is also from the Linda Moulton Howe interview.
I find myself unsubscribing from other channels while this keeps getting better.
This episode was saved on my hard drive for posterity.
You can have the best guest there is, but if you don't have the best interviewer slash host, you have nothing.
Another home run with all bases loaded.
Thanks, Daniel.
Keep up the great work.
Just great.
Next up is Sam Fye.
After watching a few of your interviews, now I must agree with those who applaud your style of STFU and listen.
When you do speak, when you need to, you ask good, intelligent questions, very professional without rushing.
And you have good quality guests that feel comfortable enough to say more than they do on other shows.
This channel is now the best kept secret on YouTube.
And that is from UFOs in the Breakaway Security States, which is with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell.
Just an amazing interview.
And I have to confess, I do like to listen more than I talk.
You learn more that way.
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Thank you.
Now, that is on the Professor Peter Dale Scott interview Deep State, CIA, Secret Government, and the Doomsday Network.
A particularly chilling episode and pretty eye opening about secret power.
And by the way, I can't even imagine how incredible it must be to live in Hawaii, so lucky you.
Next up is Rob Dizzle.
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Well, thank you, brother.
Now, that was from the nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman episode, UFO Cover Ups, MJ 12, and ET Quarantine.
Next up is Elena Starda, and she says Art Bell, George Knapp, and DJ are the best, in my opinion, in what they are doing, and certainly my favorite.
Wishing you the best of the best for the new 2015 and another century, dear DJ.
Now, that is also on the Stanton interview, and thank you, Elena.
I mean, just to be mentioned in the same breath with those guys is incredible.
Next up is Joanna McCain.
Dark journalist, I'm very familiar with Dr. Farrell, having many hours under my belt with his interviews with a variety of hosts, but you are by far the best.
Your familiarity with themes, theories, questions, and subjects being discussed is simply unmatched.
Since I wandered into your channel, I'll spend many more hours here.
I already see myself sleep deprived listening to the interviews.
Thank you for a job very well done.
Well, that makes two of us, Joanna, because of course, when I work on the shows, I get sleep deprived, so I know where you're coming from.
Thank you very much, Joanna.
And that was on the Dr. Joseph P. Farrell video Breakaway 2.0, which is part two of his phenomenal interview.
Well, thank you, everyone.
I really appreciate the comments.
And of course, when you spread these comments and videos, you're helping to raise the awareness about the show and the incredible topics that the guests are tackling.
So we really appreciate it.
Next up, Professor Peter Dale Scott.
Professor Peter Dale Scott, Dark Journalist episode Deep State, CIA, Secret Government, and the Doomsday Network.
Deep State Corporate Networks00:03:05
Now, I thought we'd start our discussion today by having you define what the deep state is, what does it encompass, and how would an average person understand its role in our daily lives?
Okay, well, we can begin by saying that there is a gap and a tension between the institutions that are defined by the Constitution or responsible to the Constitution on one level.
And then the second level, institutions like the CIA and the NSA, which operate in secret.
There's something about secret power that is not controllable, and it's very important that the CIA's budget has never been exclusively the budget voted by Congress.
So it's a level of the deep state higher than the public state.
And then I want to go to a third level.
Well, we skip to the fourth level, which are ultimately Roosevelt himself said to a friend back in 1933 You and I know that a financial element has been controlling this country since the age of Jackson.
Well, that is a you know, wow, that's the ultimate level, I think, is extreme wealth and the institutions that deal with extreme wealth.
But in between, there's a A third, for public level, CIA level, and then companies like Booz Allen Hamilton that interface with the CIA,
recruit from the CIA, and are recruited by the CIA, and then they also work with corporations all over the world and with banks all over the world, and the same thing happens.
An interaction of a revolving door both between these corporations and the CIA and also between these corporations and the highest level of banks and major oil companies and so on.
And so the ensemble is a level, you have levels of government, some of which are written about in the media and some of which are not written about in the media.
You very rarely see Booz Amel.
Alan Hamilton in the headlines, but if you write what I would call a deep history of, say, American relations with Egypt, the CIA is going to be in that history, and the Booz Allen Hamilton are going to be in that history.
Right.
So ordinarily, we're looking at the public side of our society elective government, law and order justice, daily news reporting, and that kind of thing.
But underneath, there are these deep state forces that are operating in contracting for intelligence agencies.
In corporate, financial, and political circles, and they are having an impact with very little transparency.
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Right.
So there's a lot of things in the deep state that I talk about in this woolly way because we think of history as taught in universities archival history, working with documents, and that gives us I mean, that's a good method, and we get good history, but we get limited history because.
A lot of what's going on in the deep state is undocumented.
Right.
And when people like me try to write deep history, we have to resort to all kinds of techniques to fill the vacuum.
Because we don't have, as a rule, every now and then we're lucky and we get a document here.
Yes.
Well, there have been some breakthroughs, I would say, with Freedom of Information Act requests, even if they are few and far between.
Now, can you think of a document that when it came out, it just made you stop and say, this is major?
A key one.
We have the CIA document after the Kennedy assassination instructing the media on how to handle it.
And they use the phrase conspiracy theory.
As far as I know, that's the first time that we have a document that talks about conspiracy theory.
It's the CIA telling the newspapers how to attack people like me.
Nuclear physicist and UFO investigator Stanton Friedman.
Dark Journalist episode UFO Cover Ups, MJ 12, and ET Quarantine.
So let's start off with this Majestic 12 group, better known as MJ 12.
Okay.
Now, these documents, which you helped bring to light, I think represent some of the biggest, most important breakthroughs on understanding the government cover up on the UFO topic.
Just to get us all on the same page, can you describe for us what MJ 12 was and who were some of the participants on it and why are these documents so important?
Well, okay.
If you go back to 1947, Roswell happened in July.
Early July, first newspaper articles July 8th.
Okay, it turns out if we accept the reality of Majestic 12, Magic 12, MJ 12, whatever you want to call it, which I do, having spent an enormous amount of time trying to prove that it's a fraud, and I have been unable to do that.
Right.
In September, President Truman established a group called Operation Majestic 12.
Uh huh.
Uh huh.
He gave instructions to Secretary of Defense James Forrestal.
Let's go ahead with Majestic 12, is basically what he said.
And we got, you know, fast forward, nobody knew anything about that on the outside.
It was totally accountable only to the president, that enabling letter to Forrestal said.
And that's the highest level.
You know, that's it.
And we didn't find out.
In 1984, at the end of 84, we got a roll of film.
Jamie Chandray got in California.
I was working with Jamie and with Bill Moore.
Bill and I had done a lot of work on Roswell.
I'm the original civilian investigator.
Bill and I worked, we found 62 people in a year and a half once we got rolling on that.
And the first book came out in 1980.
Wow.
By 1986, we had found up to 92 people.
Yeah.
Hard work before the internet.
Big phone bills.
Oh, yeah.
Lots of big phone bills.
Now, Stan, you broke the Roswell story, and most of the facts and witnesses around this iconic UFO case actually come from your early research on the topic.
Isn't that true?
Yeah, I broke the Roswell story, and I was the first to find Walter Hout and General Dubose and Bill Brazil, the son of the rancher, and so forth.
And so we get this an associate, Jamie Shandry, got a roll of film in the mail on which was the Eisenhower briefing document dated.
November 24th, 1952.
And it was a briefing for the president elect.
Eisenhower got elected in 1952.
It was in 1952.
And he didn't take office until January 1953.
Right.
So he was the president elect when this thing came out.
He's in that in between period there.
Yeah.
And if anything had happened to the country, all the decisions would have been made by Truman, not by Ike.
President elect doesn't carry any weight.
Anyway, we get this roll of film in the mail.
To a colleague, and Bill developed the roll of film, 35 millimeter film.
It was postmarked Albuquerque, which is not surprising.
Albuquerque is the big city in that area.
That's where Los Alamos is close to, but Kirtland Air Force Base, Sandia, which is one of the nuclear weapons labs.
So Albuquerque was the center of activities.
And people forget.
First atomic bomb was tested in New Mexico.
Yeah.
And the bomb was supplied by the Roswell base.
They dropped the first two atomic bombs on Japan, the 509.
And it came back to be based at Roswell.
So this wasn't a bunch of dinks with nothing else to do.
Yeah.
Now I'm curious how you actually discovered who was in this MJ 12 group.
This briefing for Ike included a list of the 12 members of MJ 12.
Uh huh.
And it was an outstanding group.
There was one surprise on it, but basically it included the first three directors of Central Intelligence, a bunch of generals, General Vandenberg, for example, General Twining, an outstanding group, some Navy people, and five scientists, and one, the Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal.
I see, yeah.
Okay.
So it was an all star cast.
But there was one surprise.
Listed on the group was Dr. Donald Menzel.
He was a Harvard University professor of astronomy.
Okay.
So he was an outstanding scientist, well known.
The only trouble is he'd written three anti UFO books.
And so you say, how could he be on such a list?
Right.
And that was a real shocker because everybody else we knew had a high level security clearance.
And if you're going to be on something on a top secret document that's accountable only to the president, you've got to have a high level security clearance.
Yes.
And you don't need a high level security clearance to teach astronomy at Harvard.
Uh huh.
And so there was the real puzzle.
We didn't want to go public with this.
Somebody'd say, Gotcha.
Right.
What are you kidding?
Menzel?
Yeah.
And three anti UFO books he'd written.
He was the noisiest negativist in the 50s and 60s.
No question about it.
Stan, I like the name you use for these debunker guys, noisy negativists.
That's pretty good.
That's my pleasant name for them.
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