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Sept. 12, 2025 - The David Knight Show
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Survival Isn’t Guns First: Food, Water & Community Will Decide Who Lives
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Welcome back, folks.
Joining us now is Jack Laws, and you can go to Jack LawsonBooks.com to find the civil defense manual volumes.
You can see them both here.
They are both thick volumes.
They've got a lot of dense information, and he's got passages from other experts as well.
So you can find a lot of information about how to defend yourself in uncertain times, protect your community, find food, find water, make sure that you are not completely vulnerable in a scenario.
Seems more and more likely every single day.
Of course, uh he also had uh he's got a substack.
Where uh tell people where they can find these first thoughts.
Jack Lawson.
Jacklauson Books.com.
Yes.
And uh Jack, what is the uh what is your substack uh address?
Uh David, it's uh Jack Lawson Books, plural on the books, dot substack.com.
Okay, the website.
And there's a link on the website to it as well.com is dot substack.com.
It's it's got we've got huge amounts.
I've got a hundred some different articles on there.
A lot of this is uh uh some of this out of my book, a lot of it is is very good free information, and uh like I told one guy, I don't just do this because I want to try to make a buck here or there.
I do this because of what we've been seeing.
We we're seeing a deterioration, the uh deterioration of the fabric of American society.
Yes.
Uh insanity going on, and people uh are not gonna have a problem until there's a problem.
Then they've got a problem.
And if you're not prepared, uh you know, it's it's uh like uh Colonel Douglas McGregor says, it's gonna be on top of people before they can do anything about it.
So you need to you need to get out there and get some get some basics done.
Protect you yourself, your wife, your partner, your family, whatever, friends, um anyway.
Yes, I agree.
And uh two weeks ago, you were saying there was gonna be uh more shootings, of course, and of course we had the day that Charlie Kirk uh was shot, there was also another school shooting.
Uh most people didn't hear about it because it was swamped out with all the news about Charlie Kirk, but it is a regular thing.
Well what was your take on this on your Substack article in general?
Well, what I uh what I believe is happening in a country is um I always wondered why these mean South African dictators went into the universities, arrested all the professors, and closed the universities down.
Uh I see why they did it.
Ever since, and if you look at this, they didn't do it prior to 1920, ever since communism's come about, and especially in the 30s, the agitation and the education through universities and uh higher institutions institutions of higher learning have programmed people.
I think all of these people are getting so wound up in all of the injustices that they imagine through their educational system mostly that uh it's just corrupting their their brain cells and causing them to want to become violent people.
Well, it used to be that they would do the radicalization just to the kids that were in college, but now they have taken it, you know, they they've uh oh it's in the school system it's in the school system.
They they've taken it earlier and earlier and earlier into the school system, and that's what's really concerning about it.
And they've taken it to a level that you know not even Marks and Lennon imagined with the training stuff, you know, in terms of uh getting these kids unstable.
Yeah, uh I don't I I'm no uh I don't have a crystal ball.
I'm no uh clairvoyant.
Uh but if you connect the dots, you read enough, and you think about things and connect the dots, it's right out there.
Yeah, there are more of these shooters out there right now.
They just haven't gotten around to it.
Yeah.
Uh This is gonna happen repeatedly.
It amazes me.
Uh the left is so anti-gun, but it seems like all of the shootings, virtually all of them are coming from them.
Yeah.
As much as they'd like to blame it on a white Christian conservative.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, there was one incident that happened, but um up in Minneapolis, I think it was, but uh uh that where they tacked uh legislators that were in state legislators, but for the most part, you know, there has been that guy was I don't believe that guy was a conservative.
I believe he was hooked into some defense agencies as far as security.
I from what I've read about him, I can't absolutely say that uh he was uh conservative, walls, the governor appointed him to a position uh three or four years earlier.
So you don't usually get pro appointed.
I got appointed to a police board in uh Las Vegas and uh I think you're right about that, yeah.
No, it it's it's uh there's there's politics come into play.
Yeah, people are scared.
I didn't turn down.
Yeah.
But people are saying that because it was leftists that got shot up that were there, but um yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case as well with this guy because it is about mental derangement, and um that is the the real purpose of uh what they're doing in these schools is to get people disoriented.
They want you disoriented even about what body you're in.
And I think that's the key thing that we need to understand as much as they do.
They understand that they got to mold the children from kindergarten on, uh, the earlier the better.
We need to understand that as well, and we need to take that back.
We need to take our children back from the state.
Uh we were talking about is that gonna get done?
Is that gonna get done under a conservative administration in four years?
I think so.
I think it'll get done when we do it ourselves.
That's the key.
You know, just like you're talking about with your own self-defense.
We need children defense manual, which is called homeschooling.
They take your kids out of these institutions.
Fortunately, we have that ability in this country.
Most countries don't.
And I think that's one of the things like the second amendment that's unique about America, and we need to exercise those rights or we lose them, and I think that the the family needs to get their kids out of the school system.
And if we did that enough, we might be able to get a consensus that we don't want to pay these confiscatory school taxes anymore, and that could be the end of the system.
This building that is burning down and taking our society with it.
And uh so that's that's what I would hope.
You had a a very moving uh statement in your substack about the death of a child uh that that you came across when you were there fighting in Africa.
Yeah, it's uh I've always felt sorry, uh watch this Gaza thing.
I not just that, it's everywhere.
Yeah when there's massive civil unrest or a war, the kids always take the brunt of it.
They're innocence, and uh I saw all ages of people.
It was uh it was mind-bending.
I was numb to it.
Uh I saw so much of it, but you're talking about carrying a six-month-old baby in your arms to the helicopter.
Yeah.
Bloodied and uh yeah, they we were moving bodies out of uh out of an area, and and most of these people had been killed by the communists.
They they were sh one tribe, as much as they uh are both both tribes are supported by different elements of uh uh communism back then.
Uh you get two of them together and they'd fight to the death.
And they got into a village and they killed two hundred and six people before we could stop them.
We couldn't stop it.
They went into a frenzy.
And uh I just never forget this this little baby that uh I don't know, six months old.
I I just know one thing, it was uh something that's never left me, but uh people don't see that kind of thing here.
I I saw it firsthand.
Does it make you prone to thinking about violence more?
Of course it does.
I see these people doing what they're doing in this country.
They have no idea of the Pandora's box.
The can of worms, they're opening.
Once it's open, you can't get it closed.
It's very difficult.
That's right.
It it takes a great amount of effort to restore civilization.
And I look at us, I'm a student of the Spanish Civil War.
There are things that are the opposite here.
But I look at us as being about in 1935.
We're not far from open conflict.
Is it going to be the army against uh leftist or leftist and the army against conservatives?
I don't think so.
I think what you're gonna see is increasing violence between groups of people.
Where it goes, I don't know.
I hope it doesn't go to what I lived in there, and that was the car bomb.
Uh you never knew walking down the street whether somebody's gonna set a bomb off in a car, and innocence get killed.
That's right.
Yeah, it's uh and when you look at the 20th century, the massive uh, you know, tens of millions of people killed in various conflicts.
Always a communist, you know, it was Stalin, Mao, uh the um uh the situation in Zimbabwe, of course you also have in uh Cambodia and things like this.
Always this leftist mindset that is godless that is totalitarian.
That's where this all flows from.
And I interviewed She Van Fleet uh a while ago, and she wrote a book called Mao's America, and she said all of this anti-racism and stuff and the tactics that they're using against kids, she said that was essentially drawn directly from Mao's struggle sessions where you had to denounce your parents and denounce this and denounce that.
Uh and uh she said people don't realize that that was the foundation of what was being done by Mao, and they think that this is something different, something that's new.
Uh, but it is tied back to that and it will lead to the same type of thing.
Say same thing.
Yeah.
Uh side note for the worshippers of Mao Saitong and uh Che Guevara.
Yeah, both of those guys took pride in their body odor.
Don't ask me where they got this.
Uh one of the guys in my special forces chapter trained the Bolivians in hunting them down, which they did.
Che Guevara.
And uh apparently he was so filthy when he was after the revolution, he was working in the cane fields, and he had uh relations with a woman there, and he smelled so bad she threw up you know, I mean uh it was it was it was these these people are are are legends in their own mind.
Yeah.
Uh they're fabricated legends.
And the bottom line is uh, you know, they got a lot of blood in their hands, but they're they're bound determined to try it again because we didn't get it right the last time.
What is that?
Didn't kill enough people.
I don't know what goes through their mind.
You know, my neighbors in Las Vegas were escapees from uh eastern bloc countries, and I had a interesting two hours.
I went to a birthday party.
I used to drink back then, and they're big drinkers.
And I at a lol I asked them what was communism like?
What was it like living in communism?
They sat there, they were dumbfounded, I asked that question.
They looked at each other, started chatting in their foreign language, laughing a little bit, and then they unloaded on me.
And one of the things that that you have to understand is they said communism destroys hope and the spirit of man.
Yes.
It's a naturally, it's naturally antagonistic to human nature.
Yes.
And antagonistic to God.
And uh I'll have to remember that story about Che Guevara when I see uh some lefty wearing a Che Guevara shirt.
I probably won't say anything to them about it because they're probably deranged enough they'd attack me.
We've got a comment here from Lance that says that seems to be a common problem for all communists.
That's right.
Yeah, they are uh anti-God and I guess maybe that's maybe that's where the uh thing cleanliness is next to godliness and so godless communists are not clean either.
Goes hand in hand.
I think they're anti anti soap uh too.
But uh anyway, uh it it's it's uh horrible thing.
Let me let me tell your listeners a little bit about myself.
I was in the American Air Force, uh I was I was an electronic specialist.
I dealt with arming and disarming the M forty or sorry, W forty uh thermonuclear warhead.
After that, I got out.
I ended up in Africa in the foreign legion in an anti-terrorist rapid response unit.
We were taken in by helicopters, we also parachute trained.
So I saw uh differences in the military that were drastic.
And then uh by the way, I call Africa the continent of the apocalypse now and the land of blood and tears.
Because that's all I saw over there was blood and tears.
Wow.
A wonderful, wonderful people, the black people over there.
Unfortunately, uh they're tribal, they're a little more prone to become communists and to take the uh hard walk down the road of democracy.
It's difficult for them to understand because of the elder system they have.
It takes a village type of mindset that Hillary loves so much, right?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, that doesn't quite work the way the way that uh that statement is.
No.
Uh then I I was on a police board in a major city.
Uh one of the biggest police boards.
So I've got a lot of understanding of what goes on in our society.
If you want to see the underbelly of your city, go do a ride along with the police department.
Uh you won't come out of there thinking the same way about your city again.
Anyway, uh I have to look at life as with the experiences I've had.
I know how uh this is not normal reality we live in.
Our normal reality is barbarism and war.
Yes.
And that's not me saying that.
That's C. S. Lewis, the famous uh Christian philosopher.
Um I do believe we've moved away from God and Jesus and good compassion and forgiveness.
And it's it's just showing more and more in the radical approach people are taking, not discussing anything.
They don't want to.
You're a Nazi racist if you don't agree with them.
Yes.
And you know, you were just talking about this earlier on your show, but uh it's it's very true.
They want to silence you by calling you a Nazi.
And I in turn call them lunatics because that's what they are.
Yes.
And of course, you know, when they wanted to move us away from God and where they wanted to shut down the free exercise religion, where did they start the schools?
You know, that's where they started purging at first and then it metastasized out from that.
Because everything always starts with the schools.
Uh, you know, we we understand that the uh children are the future, but we don't act like it.
Uh they do act like it.
And so that's really the key.
And you know, the first time I talked to you, uh, Jack, we we talked about how fragile the um supply lines are in America.
And that was even before the lockdowns of 2020.
Uh then we saw that uh uh demonstrate to us just how fragile supply lines are.
Uh when we had um uh the imposition of the lockdown rules, you wound up with empty shelves, but then on the farms they were destroying massive quantities of food because they couldn't get it to market.
And um so we have a Yeah, they couldn't get it processed mostly because uh the factories, the workforces were shut off.
That's right.
That was a large part of it.
That's right.
So, you know, we have a very, very fragile system, and um and you talked about that the just in time delivery, and it tends to cascade.
So we are, as many people have said, uh, we're like nine meals away from anarchy.
That's why your book is so important.
Being able to um uh help yourself and also to help your neighbors and to start to build connections with those neighbors and a community of people who can stand with each other.
That I think are those are the essence uh see of the civil Defense Manual.
Of course, you've had a lot of expertise and practice in that yourself personally, but you also have a lot of experts in various other parts of various other aspects that also have contributed to your book as well.
David, most people have got my kind of background, uh want to go into teaching people how to combat shoot.
Uh I've done this.
I I'm uh I was an instructor at a public range uh for seven years.
Uh I don't get into the tactics so much.
I don't get in my prime directive is not tactics, it's not how to shoot a gun.
My prime directive, and people need to understand this.
Without this, you're not going to survive.
And that is to store food and to store water.
Yes.
Those are the critical issues, just like you say, supply chain.
And uh I go I go into this in depth.
I have a calculator.
Uh it's free for people to use.
Go into my uh uh Substack account and you can find the food and water calculator.
That will tell anybody if they get what they've got stored for canned food or ramen, any of those things, and calculate it out, it'll tell you how many days of food you've got.
Water.
Water is also become as fragile or more so than the food system.
And you have a free chapter about water uh at your website as well.
Yeah, Jacklausombooks.com.
How how to you need a root a renewable water source, how to treat it.
Um anyway, all that stuff's free in there.
If people want to go in and look at it, and I suggest that they do because you need to know that about the water, and if you see Jack's uh chapter on water, you'll realize just how wise and thorough these books are on other topics.
But that is a seminal one.
That's the one that you can't uh live without for a very short time period of time.
And so he put that out there for free.
That really kind of tells you something about his heart.
And especially last time I was on Travis and I were talking about the food and water thing, and he brought up this very thing, uh three days, four days maybe without any water, and uh three weeks without food.
And that's that's when you start uh that's when you better be saying your prayers because uh you aren't gonna last too much longer than that.
And especially in a scenario where you know you don't maybe the power is down, you don't have air conditioning, or all these other things are happening, and you're having to exert yourself physically, the amount of water you need to consume goes up.
We're not just talking about your typical average day where maybe you know you stay inside, you're in your air-conditioned house, and you don't need that much water to stay active, stay stay hydrated.
This is going to be a scenario where you can't do that.
Yeah, you're thinking you're thinking three-dimensionally, like people have to think.
What you say is so true.
It's uh you might consume or need uh a fourth as much water as you do when the air conditioner.
Uh I've got a friend, uh former Navy SEAL officer, great author, Matt Bracken, and he told me, he said, Jack, wait till the air conditioning goes out in cars in Florida.
You're gonna see a lot of road rage, you know, and and that's true.
It's it's uh people are so uh acclimatized to an environment that's comfortable that when it starts going the other way.
But what you say, Travis is very true.
That will put a factor to this to the problem that multiplies it exponentially.
Yes.
I grew up in Florida, so I know what it's like to travel in a car without air conditioning in the summer.
Went to schools without air conditioning, and of course the cars had uh metal all through the interior as well.
They got really hot, but uh now I've been spoiled.
It's just we get soft, you know.
And uh, the guy guys from Florida used to tell me about the convertible.
They drive around in drinking beer and having a hurricane party driving up on the road with with the top down, and it's so funny to listen to them.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
He was the issue.
I've got the A to Z in this book.
Just about anything that people have to look at.
Literally being in an off-grid situation without power, without heat.
It's the simple things in here.
The Russians will teach you this.
Dig down into the ground.
The root cellar is a thing of the past generally, people.
But when you get down three, four feet in the ground, and you can be 20 below zero, as long as you cover the top of it, you've got a 55-degree temperature coming out of the earth.
It's pretty much consistent.
And if you keep that temperature, you keep that heat from going out, that's one way.
I've got all this stuff in the book.
But the bottom line is this.
I get into the major two issues, food and water.
That's what's going to cause problems.
There's a saying that revolution starts on hungry stomachs.
Well, that may be true, but chaos starts from thirsty people.
Yeah.
I bet that's true.
That's my thing.
That's really key.
Yes.
Well, you know, we're looking at a very dangerous time in history.
This is a cycle.
I believe that there is a cycle of about 80 years where institutions are taking down major economic changes.
It was laid out by Strauss.
Fourth turning.
Yeah, fourth turning.
Exactly.
It does seem to be lining up that way.
And we're getting very close to the end of the fourth turning as they expected it and predicted it.
They said about 2029.
we're getting there and it seems like all of the um people making their plans for the new dystopian technocracy also agreed with that time frame because they all look to 2030 is the year they want to have this stuff out there.
So there's going to be an acceleration of change in these next few years.
And certainly see it.
You mentioned Colonel Douglas McGregor.
And I guess he was talking about the various wars that they're trying to drag us into.
We've had this.
They're continuing to try to escalate things with Ukraine.
And as you look at France and the collapses that are happening there, they're having fires all over the place in terms of protest.
And he's on, I think the fifth.
uh president that they've had there or prime minister I forget which one I guess uh Macron has one title and the other guy's got another one but they just had the government fall yet again and so I think it's one of the reasons why you've got France and other places pushing so hard for war um as Gerald Sinti always says when everything fails they try to take you to war.
100% right.
It's always, that's been the end of economic chaos.
Start a war and kind of cover the books up, you know.
I've got a friend, an American friend that lives in France, and I get the lowdown on what goes on.
He farms over there.
Quite an interesting character.
He's been, he just visited me over here, but interesting to hear their opinion of issues American and whatnot.
But anyway, Rick fills me in from an American standpoint and what's going on.
I'll say this, you know, you talk about wars going on.
This reminds me of the black and white movie, The Bombers Flying in 1984.
It reminds me that they're setting things up, Eurasia.
It's almost like Orwell wrote a book and giving you the blueprint of what they're going to do.
That's right.
It's quite amazing.
I believe also, don't want to sound like a Bible thumper, I want to push something first.
I've got a little book that I think people, you can get it for nothing.
And it's called, it's called Plus Nothing.
P-L-U-S Nothing.
It's an introduction to Jesus Christ.
And I go to, I had a friend look at my car window and he sees a Bible letter.
there and he says awesome what what's going on I said that's for my Bible study group I said I actually go to two of them he said what two Bible groups Jack what's happening and I told him maybe you ought to start looking into it you know he talks he's very fatalistic sounding but uh the bottom line is this plus nothing book I carried around Mayo's got his little red book this is a little brown book I've called my Little brown book,
you know.
But uh I do think we're coming to a fourth turning end of times, there's just too many issues.
Is that Jack Lawson getting aegis?
Is that Jack Lawson getting afraid of no, I'm not.
I I want I I would be missing my family when I go on, but I'm kind of curious about what's down the road.
And uh, you know, it's it's uh it's something religion as far as Christianity goes.
Uh I've had uh my son who was Muslim, and uh he describes that uh he's no longer, but he describes that religion, and I have uh uh a Jewish friend and my my wife's Jewish.
Uh not she baptized Christian, but uh describe what they think of their religion, and the one thing I believe that's missing is the compassion and forgiveness.
Yes.
Uh they you know, outside of having those two and uh believing in those two things, I think you end up having a manual, not a guide book.
And that's what people want.
You know, people want uh uh a list of things to do that can earn their salvation, but when they fall short, I mean, even if you make a dumbed down list, because we all know this, we all make our to-do list, and then we all fail even with the to-do list on a regular basis.
Uh you you always fail to fulfill it perfectly.
And so what do they do when they fail?
Uh, you know, for us, for Christians, we know that it is Christ plus nothing, I think is what probably where that book is going.
It's what Christ has done for us, plus nothing that we do is really going to merit this.
And so it is that forgiveness that is there, that ability to be able to know that you have that relationship, and then to know that uh with that relationship, you can fail and start again, fail and start again an infinite number of times.
But there has to be that basis there as to what do you do with your failures?
And that's uh Jesus Christ, isn't it?
Yes.
This plus nothing.com.
Great resource.
The first page.
The words were so profound.
I've read a lot of stuff.
I've read books on Hindu, I've I've got uh a book on Judaism, I've got the Torah, uh, and part of the Talmud I don't buy into too much.
I've got uh a Quran I'm trying to read.
It's an interpretation, uh English, very difficult to read, but I I've probably read half of it, and I looked through this stuff, and then I look through the Bible, which I'm no scholar by and I read things, but the first page of this plus nothing.com book, I memorized it.
The words were so profound, and they mean so much to me that uh I actually memorized it, and that's hard for me to do.
Well, what's the summary of what it says in the first page there?
You got it memorized.
Yes.
Say again?
Summarize it then, since you've got it committed to the mission.
Well, it's basically stating the beginning of the world is...
It says uh in the beginning before earth was made, the word was there.
Yes, yes.
The word was God.
Yes.
Then it says he was there with God in the beginning.
Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
Beginning of John.
Yeah, pardon?
The beginning of John, yes, yes.
Yeah, beginning of time, basically.
In him there was life, and that life was a light for people of the world.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness is not defeated it.
That to me uh is basically you can fit it any religion you want, but if you believe in God and you believe in our case in Jesus, uh that that means a lot to me.
I think people have moved away from this.
Uh I try to bring this up to some of my kids, and uh when you mention Jesus, it's like you might as well uh have be have uh done something evil in your lifetime they find out about.
It's it's like it turns people off, and I don't think people should look at that.
Yeah, and why is that?
What do you think?
I mean, I had uh uh friend who grew up in uh uh Japan.
They said they they don't swear using Buddha's name.
Uh they swear using Jesus' name, and they're not Christians, they don't know anything about Jesus.
Uh isn't that a topic?
I I think David, I I think people uh I think people watch so much TV and on this entertainment industry, I think for the last fifty or sixty years has demonized religion.
I've noticed uh I'll see something about some uh you know, for all I know, some priest that's a killer or goofy things that may have happened, but there's such a small minutiae of what really happens.
Uh I see, you know, you see the who was a Tammy Ray uh uh the the movie about uh the evangelist that was uh Oh yeah, the uh uh can't remember his name.
Tammy Faye or whatever Baker Baker, that was his name.
Yeah, Jim Baker.
Yeah, the prototypical TV evangelist.
Yeah, you see his wife and and I think people look at all religious movements as that.
I've always had a saying religion's the greatest thing to mankind until they brought people into it, you know.
And it it it's it is those TV evangelists really poisoned the well for a lot of people.
Uh absolutely did, yeah.
Yeah.
But people need to do one thing.
If they do anything and walk away from listening to this, start storing some food and water.
If people don't think tough times are coming, believe me, they'll be just like Colonel McGregor says, they'll be on you before you know it.
Yes.
And I think that's a uh uh a critical issue.
I try to get this across to people.
I've convinced some to start.
The funny thing is once they start thinking about it, they start accelerating in their effort to uh store food and water.
Yes.
Uh I I when he was saying that, what was he talking about?
Was he talking about just uh a natural societal breakdown or was uh Colonel McGregor talking about then the context uh no he's talking he's talking about what's he's talking about uh an ex an exacerbation uh an increase in amount of conflict between polarized forces in this country.
That's and the other thing is uh the threat of nuclear war.
Yes.
I've also if people want to go on there, I've got I went to nuclear warfare's uh training.
Um I am no expert.
I've know more than the average bear knows about it.
Uh I'm not gonna tell you how to arm or disarm a nuclear bomb, but uh the bottom line is uh uh I never set one off, so I guess it's fairly good at what I did, and I did I did this for I did this for 14 months.
I actually got it radiated, I believe.
I used to sit right on the bomb case while I was doing this.
Slim picking style, right?
Yeah, almost yeah, yeah.
I didn't have a cowboy hat, but uh anyway, it it uh and it didn't you know wasn't on an aircraft, it was in a silo.
But uh the the I have in there the basics of how you can survive.
It's very if unless you're in a blast area, uh nuclear warfare is very survivable.
Uh I've told people this and they laugh because I say the new nuclear weapons I worked in the old dirty bombs.
Uh they were the first ones they come out with thermonuclear in 1959.
Uh but the new bombs are environmentally friendly.
That's what I call them.
They're green bombs.
They're actually designed the material after the explosion are designed to decay at an accelerated rate.
Well, and then you have the uh kinetic weapons like the hypersonic missiles that uh because of the um kinetic energy there, they don't need to have as big an explosive warhead there.
The damage that they can do and how indefensible um our Western systems are against that, both Russia and China have the hypersonic weapons.
Um it is I think just hatred and contempt of their people for the leaders in NATO to be doing what they're doing.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
It's unbelievable how they've subjugated France, Germany, especially, France, England.
I mean, there's the Prime Minister of England standing up and people complaining about massive immigration, knifing, groomings, raping of women, and he says it doesn't matter what you think.
Yeah.
Well, open control they go, but I don't I think it's far from down there.
And a lot of English people, they are bulldogs.
That's used to be their symbol.
The bulldog, they are bulldogs.
And some of the toughest people I've ever run into.
I mean, they they just don't quit.
But their leaders have absolute contempt for them.
And I think, you know, when we look at the the issue of World War III, I think that the leaders of France, Germany, and the UK would like nothing better than to have a massive attack to uh have massive casualties against their own people because our own people are their enemies.
Yeah, I don't think my my belief is I don't think you'll see tactical nuclear weapons.
That is another Pandora's box once it's opened.
I've got a saying there is no such thing as a tactical nuclear weapon.
Uh low-yield weapons like that, uh, you can use a thermobaric bomb.
I'm one of the few people alive that witnessed the explosion of a thermal uh of a thermobaric bomb, which is a fuel air bomb, it's a close cousin to a nuclear bomb uh from the effects.
And uh I saw that firsthand.
That's probably something they'll use rather than but it puts a mushroom cloud out, and I'll tell you what, I was 800, maybe 600 yards from it, and uh I'll never ever forget it.
So, you know, we're we're in we've got a lot of dangerous things going on.
But the bottom line, if you want to know how to survive, nuclear fallout, whatever there will be.
I've got a whole chapter on it in in the book.
It's on it's on my website.
I put that out there because I peep want people to know.
And it's part of an article written by physicians uh for self-defense and uh uh Shane O'Connor out of KI for you.
And it'll tell you what to do to prepare.
Bottom line is a couple days, three days, uh in the center of your house, keeping the air circulation from happening, and uh you can walk out the door.
And it'll be low enough Renkins, which is the measurement of radiation that you can survive it.
This is not like Chernobyl.
Chernobyl was a leak of radioactive material continuing to to emit and put gama rays up.
This is an explosion.
An explosion, things burn up or decay.
And there's a big difference between these.
But bottom line is that's there.
There's a lot of things.
And the greater the greater threat, which is what you address in your book, is the uh the complete destruction of infrastructure, right?
There's no power, there's no food coming in, and you've got roving gangs of people.
That's the bigger threat that is more likely to happen.
And actually, you know, if we have uh I was talking about this earlier, uh Heritage Foundation was war gaming.
So what if we have a conflict with China over Taiwan?
What might China do?
They point out they might do a lot of things that could not even be directly traced to them.
There'd be attacks on our infrastructure, our water supply, our electricity, many other things like that.
And and just look at how chaotic that would be in this country.
I've got another article.
I'm looking at your table of contents in the Civil Defense Manual Volume One.
And uh I see chapter six, you know, the reality of a catastrophic event, and chapter seven, the mental state needed to cope with a catastrophic event.
And I think that's something that I'd like to hear more about a very, very sheltered, soft life.
You know, we see these things from a distance online, and I think that can fool some of us into thinking, well, we've witnessed this, we could handle it.
But the reality is always going to be so incredibly different, and it's going to be something unlike anything we've ever experienced.
I was just wondering if you could tell people a little bit of what you think they would need in terms of mentality and mental to deal with what would happen.
Number one, they've got to get their nose out of their iPhone.
Um I'm not a regression, Uh I'm not uh what what do they call it in uh communism?
Not a reactionary reactionary but but the bottom line is I got rid of my iPhone and uh got a flip phone.
Why it was too uh it interrupted my focus on everything too much.
Yes.
Uh get your foot get your nose out of your phone and start looking people in the eye when you're talking to them.
Uh the mentality to survive is a four-sided box.
It's it's got your survival mentality, it's got your training, it's got your uh equipment that you have, and uh uh the bottom line is if any of those two sides fall in, you you don't have a survival mentality.
You have got to want to survive for yourself, but as much as for yourself, more so for your family and friends.
And uh people read all kinds.
I've I've been in situations that probably shouldn't be walking around the planet anymore.
Uh by God's good grace, and that's all I can figure by all the things I went through.
I managed uh to get out of situations, but it was also dogged determination.
Uh I don't know, maybe maybe I got toilet trained too early.
I don't know I what caused this, but it either that or uh I I did too much butt-hard work on a farm, but uh I just didn't let go until uh I got out of something, and there were times where I almost gave up.
But the survival mentality, you got you gotta want to survive.
If you read the very first story in the book, you'll get into a part that says uh about a society uh less than 35 years ago that absolutely went totally to hell, and people ended up uh living like animals.
And you'll tell you or in there the guy that wrote the story, let me print it.
Uh the guy by the name of Selko, S-E-L-C-O.
He's uh uh uh one of the most well-known people in the survival uh in preparedness.
He said that a lot of people just died uh initially in the first couple months.
They lost the will to live because their society was uh it had disintegrated, no water, they didn't want to put up with this, they'd rather die.
There will be a lot of people that'll that'll die that way.
I've had uh theories put to me that uh people with guns are gonna run it go around and take food.
Uh and they're gonna be killed off.
No, I don't think so.
I think the majority of them gangs, and they'll be not just criminal gangs, they'll be gangs of people that gather together for strength uh to survive.
This is why I push a neighborhood protection plan, getting to know your neighbors and working together with your neighbors.
But if you don't have the survival mentality, you you you don't buy the book.
If you can't get that, you're not gonna survive.
That's the long term.
The other thing is, along with the survival mentality again, is the preparedness, the food and water.
Big big thing.
Firearms come with it because it's the most efficient way to defend yourself.
So that answer your question.
Yeah, we go back and we look at it.
I always think about the term outlawing, of course, and that was uh somebody who had done something that was outside of the law of the community, so they were ejected, and that was a big deal because now you are outside of the protection of that community.
I think that that's what we're looking at, you know, going back to that.
It's a community of of self-protection that is there.
And um, you know, we we don't really think government has not really been about protecting us.
We're talking about early in the show, it's about protecting their agenda and themselves, and so we don't really think about that.
But if you create a community, and you've got some great tips and pointers on how to do that, the do's and the don'ts of doing that and considerations from somebody who's done it.
And um, if you don't have a community there that uh you put together you're not gonna be able to survive on your own.
Very important.
Uh I I I'd like to end with this.
Um This is doesn't come from me.
Comes from a trauma management person, very knowledgeable.
I've read quite a bit of the information they've put out.
This is why people become victims.
Now, if any of your uh any of your audience out there feels any one of these hits them, then they've got to start changing course.
And uh number one, it won't happen.
Uh number two, it's going to happen, but not to me.
Number three, it's going to happen to me, but it won't be that bad.
And then number four, it happened to me, but there was nothing I could have done about it anyway.
That's probably the last thought gone through people's minds when the lights go out.
So anyway.
It really is.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, uh, you know, along those same lines, when I talk about how they're gonna take away all private cars from everybody.
I remember going to an automotive show in uh Austin and reporting on it, and I talked to people that were there with the classic cars and you know, these were real gearheads modifying their cars and uh and how much they loved it and everything.
And I talked to them and almost to a man, they all said, yeah, they're gonna outlaw cars, uh, but it's not gonna happen in my lifetime.
And it was even uh the young kids were saying that kind of thing.
It's a kind of a denial that we tell ourselves.
So we have to prepare for that.
You know, these people were uniquely prepared to be able to keep their cars going, but still, you know, when we look at this, uh that is the key thing.
Yeah, I I don't live this doom and gloom thing.
Uh I mean, somebody told me, you know, you're not enjoying your retirement.
I said, no, I'm living like I normally live.
I write books though about this.
And uh said, what am I supposed to do?
Dye my hair black, buy a 1960s muscle car, uh convertible, drive around and uh you know, to the Beach Boys uh songs, and uh you got the stereotype.
As a matter of fact, that's happening here in uh Gatlinberg and Pigeon Forge this weekend.
I see that exact guy you're describing all over the place.
Tens of thousands of them.
No, that's that's not me.
I I know my grandkids and the kids.
Very lucky God's given me some grace when it comes to them.
Uh I've got great kids and great jobs.
Yes, thank you so much.
It is such an excellent uh uh resource, and I can't uh recommend it highly enough.
Uh Jacklauson Books.com, Civil Defense Manual.
Yes, go to Jacklauson Books.com, look at the civil defense manual, and check out what he's put up there for free already.
Thank you so much, Jack.
Thank you, Jack.
Have a good day.
Thank you.
And talk to you again.
Have a good weekend, all of you.
Hopefully we'll see you on Monday.
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