Steve-O and Danny dissect Steve-O's 17-year sobriety, his controversial face tattoo with Post Malone, and his belief that the brain is merely a soul receiver. They critique Christian exclusivity using surgeon Abdullah as a counterexample to damnation, analyze Jackass stunts like the suppressed shark bite, and debate ethical issues from factory farming to the $37 trillion U.S. debt. Ultimately, the conversation reveals how Steve-O's spiritual evolution and doomsday preparedness in Tennessee reflect a deep anxiety about life reviews and systemic collapse. [Automatically generated summary]
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Tattooing A Dick On Your Face00:09:42
The eyebrow tattoo.
Yeah.
Let's start there.
That's one that's out there.
Like that.
Post Malone tattooed a dick on your face.
That was your 50th birthday present.
Is that right?
Pretty much.
Yeah.
Pretty much.
It happened specifically the day after I turned 50.
Wow.
Yeah.
It's pretty legendary.
Did you tattoo him back?
We had actually exchanged tattoos prior to that.
There's the ghost with the boner that I gave him and he gave me.
Yeah.
That was fun.
Oh my God.
We had Novak on here a couple of weeks ago.
The last time Shane was on, also, by the way, this hat rack is back on the podcast.
The last time he was here, were you here for Novak?
Yeah.
Last time you were here for Brandon Novak.
Me and him grew up watching CKY and Jackass and Wild Boys and all that stuff.
So every time one of you guys comes in, it's like a celebrity event for us.
I love him, man.
How old are you guys?
37.
37.
Nice, yeah, yeah.
So it was like through middle school growing up tattoos.
And what was the one he had a tattoo?
Some guy like tattooed on his face or something when he was sleeping at Bam's house and then tattooed around the stain.
Was that he had the tattoo artist like on his arm or something and then tattooed around it?
That was pretty next level, yeah.
Um, it's uh, old Novak versus new Novak is a stark contrast, yeah, no doubt, and real, dude.
Yeah, it's wild to see how far you guys have come.
For sure.
I feel like you and Novak were definitely more of the top tier wilder ones out of the group.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy to see you guys make like full turnarounds and just, and even still be here, right?
I mean, no doubt.
Like 100%.
And the fact that you're like so together, too, like you got it together and like you look like you're pretty healthy.
I take reasonably good care of myself.
I say reasonably.
Like, man, I was on it with the fitness and the diet and everything.
And, like, I've admittedly kind of fallen off with my diet and my exercise to some extent, but my baseline isn't terrible.
Yeah, you were saying you're doing like sauna and cold plunge.
I got it at my house and I'm all about it.
Yeah, Danny has one.
We just did it before we came here.
Oh, yeah, sauna and cold plunge.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I try to do it before a lot of podcasts because it just like wakes you up, you know?
It's amazing.
It gets the body moving.
So, what are the temperatures you do?
Cold plunge is at 45.
Okay, that's it.
But I run the jets in it.
So it feels like it's really like 30.
It feels way colder.
So when you run the bubbles in it, it makes it 10 times more unbearable.
Because when you get in at first, normally, it hurts for the first minute.
And then after that, it's pretty easy.
But when you run the bubbles, it just sucks the whole time.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like 50 to 45, that's where.
Once you're like 45, you might as well just go lower almost.
Like it gets so nuts.
But, you know, as a sober guy, I. Really like getting a kick out of the way that coming from the super hot going into the super cold and then coming out, like you get an actual buzz.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
I call it a free lapse.
A free lapse.
It's like, you know, it's so funny.
And it's such a big fun thing with my sober buddies.
You know, we get together and, you know, like it's just so, and it's so funny.
It's like, you know, I got other people saying, yeah, no wonder you love to do that with your.
Sober punch.
Yeah.
But yeah, no, I really do enjoy that.
And I think that you sleep really well after that.
Sure, the first time I ever did the cold plunge, I felt like I just did cocaine afterwards, like that.
That's how euphoric it felt at first.
I think that's yeah, I mean, your heart's beating all fast, and you don't get triggered or anything by like drugs and alcohol.
Um, I mean, I'm pretty diligent about uh, you know, staying active in the recovery community.
So, how long have you been sober?
17 years.
I was betting him before we came here, I'm like, I think it was 10 years.
He goes, I'm taking the under on that.
There's no way over seven, over 10 years, man.
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
I got sober March 10th of 2008.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
You know, I was, that's amazing, dude.
I mean, I couldn't be more grateful, man.
It's like, I mean, without being sober, I'd be so screwed.
Yeah.
So, like, being in a comedy club, seeing people just like slamming beers and drinking liquor doesn't bother you?
I mean, the way that we work it, it's like you ask yourself, do you have a legitimate reason for putting yourself in an environment where people are drinking?
The difference for me is when it comes to smoking pot.
Because if we're sitting here and you're smoking pot, then I've got secondhand smoke entering my lungs.
And to me, that is a super bummer.
And then on top of that, I love the way marijuana smells.
I don't want to be smelling it.
And I don't want it entering my body.
That's why there was such controversy.
You know, like the headlines went when I said that, uh, you know, I was just confused and kind of offended when Bill Maher asked me to be going on his podcast.
But I knew that, like, he's a prolific pothead, and I was like, Hey, you know, could you not smoke pot for me?
And he was like, Oh, no, that's what I do, that's a deal breaker.
Really, I just thought that's weird because, like, after you had already gotten there, no, no, no, no, this was in advance, so okay, I got you, no big deal, but it's like.
Mike Tyson's podcast is called Hot Boxing.
Mike Tyson is like a prolific pothead, like big time.
Be real.
You don't get more like Mount Rushmore of potheads than like be real.
And both Be Real and Mike Tyson were okay with making it an hour without smoking pot because I don't want to breathe it into my lungs.
And it's crazy how that divided the internet.
Like, so many people were like, oh, dude, Steve O, like, you know, like, kind of like what you imagined Kirk Hammett might be thinking.
Yeah.
You know, I just, yeah.
And I don't want to belabor that point or drag Bill Maher through the mud anymore.
Yeah.
That's a weird thing.
I just use that as an example because, like, what's in your cup is not entering my body.
Right.
Now, there's another sort of level to it where, like, if you're sitting there snorting lines of cocaine, then, um, You know, that's not going to be entering my body, but I don't need to be around that because there's not really, you know, casual, like, you know, social cooking, you know, like, like, there's it's totally reasonable for people to be drinking in a way that's not right, like, uh,
you know, in your face about it, it's not about in your face, but there's it's reasonable for people to be drinking in a moderate, healthy, like, not destructive and and yes, you know, but like that just doesn't really apply to cocaine.
Right.
Somebody who's on cocaine, your personality doesn't really jive with somebody who's not doing cocaine.
Typically, both people have to be doing cocaine to be on the same level.
Yeah.
It's just, I think that, so I just don't need to be around that necessarily.
And for that matter, if you were sitting there getting like knocking back like a dozen shots in a row and slobbering drunk, I wouldn't want to be around that either.
Right.
You know?
Yeah, of course.
But it's all about moderation, right?
Like it's all about moderation.
That's just one thing that I'm not capable of.
Yeah, I resign myself to that.
I'm not a moderate guy.
It's all or nothing.
Yeah, no, that's the crazy thing about, you know, some people can be, can do stuff and like dabble in certain things, whether it be drugs or gambling or whatever the fuck.
It is, and some people like whether it be genetic or whether it be just like the way they were raised, like their early life, they can't manage it.
You know, how do you feel about uh the way that gambling is just like such a gnarly epidemic at this point?
I love gambling, dude.
I love sports betting the best because it makes it so much more fun when you watch the games or the fights and you actually like have a bet or like a parlay, you're so much more locked in.
I don't think it's, I don't think gambling is the problem.
I think it's the people that are the problem.
It's just like it's the same thing with driving, right?
Like driving kills a ton of people when they drink and mix drugs with it.
You do it the wrong way or you can't manage it, or like guns, right?
If you can't, don't know how to use a gun or know about gun safety, right?
You shouldn't be using a gun.
Right.
Okay.
It's like you got to, you got to like gamble in moderation.
You got to be able to control yourself, just like with using drugs.
If you want to do Coke every once in a while, God bless you, but you shouldn't be doing it every single day before and after work.
I don't know that anybody can do Coke once in a while.
I mean, maybe I suppose they can.
I've heard stories about people that, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I know a lot of people who can do Coke and manage themselves and live very successful lives, like functioning on it.
Square Hardware And Self Control00:03:08
Right, right, right.
I think that's very interesting because I got really, really bent out of shape at one point.
I was like, you know, the last year, 2024, was like a pretty difficult year for me.
Um, like in general, and um, I uh, I was like, all right, you know, coming into this year, I remember thinking, like, okay, you know what, like, I gotta like just double down on you know, my recovery, just being a good guy, and like faith in the universe, like having order and intelligence to it.
And if I just like, you know, really make that my priority, everything else is gonna work out.
And in the very beginning of this year, I had a random opportunity to go interview Mark Wahlberg for my podcast.
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And I was like, You know, they're talking to him, and I was like really in this space.
And I know that he's like a very religious guy, and I was like, man, you know, like what I feel so strongly about at this point is, you know, my relationship with God, you know, like call it whatever you want, the universe, God, but like I really felt passionately about that, you know, in them, and I do still now.
It was a great interaction.
Then, you know, cut to like a week later, two weeks later, whatever it was.
Gambling Statistics Are Gnarly00:03:52
And I was walking with my dog through a state park, and it occurred to me that as the podcast had just gone live, I had the audacity to talk about how important I felt my relationship with God was and cut from that conversation to a promotion for gambling.
You know, I just thought, like, oh my God, like, I just, I, I was like, it just, it just, it just hit me like a, like, just like a ton of bricks.
I was like, oh my God, I was like, I, I felt like I don't have to look at the comment section to know, like, just people are like, you know, like, hypocrite, like, oh my God, yeah, like, wait, you know, and, and, uh, I,
I, that's when, like, negative feedback, like, really affects me is when I agree with it, you know, and so, like, I, I didn't, like, I didn't have to look and I just knew that, that, that, uh, and I was just like, man, I just can't do that anymore, you know, um, I don't think gambling's the devil though.
Well, I mean, if you look at, like, the, The, uh, the, the, like how much money is generated by it?
Like, um, you know, like how much they pay podcasters to promote gambling, how much, like, everywhere, like, all of the, this money's coming from somewhere.
It's like, kind of like looking at Las Vegas, like each new casino is like a bigger and more extravagant, like a billion, you know, it's like, it's pretty self evident to look at Las Vegas that, that the, what's building all of these amazing, huge, not winners.
Yeah.
Like, right.
And so, I don't know.
I think that, uh, That the statistics on gambling are really pretty gnarly and it's just so in your face all the time.
And whatever, you know, like I agree because exactly what I said about your dinner with Kirk Hammett could totally apply here.
It's like, hey, you know, like it's totally reasonable for people to gamble in a moderate way.
Like, yeah, I just like it, just it, I mean, and you got to follow your gut is what it is, you know, like.
And my gut told me, man, I can't mess with that anymore.
So I'm just not, it's a slippery slope.
Yeah, I've not promoted gambling since.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
My, what's this?
Oh, we've got.
What do you got here?
Oh, we got statistics on gambling.
US was estimated $1.9 billion in total gambling advertising in what year?
2023.
That's a decent amount of money.
There's no regulation on it, dude.
Well, I mean, it's pretty gnarly.
And a lot of, I think that they break it down to like per household, like how much money is being lost, you know?
And I saw some crazy statistics and I was like, man, it's pretty bad.
I don't like personally.
I was just decided I don't want to be a part of that.
Yeah, no.
And it's clear how I got into it.
I'm a super rabid UFC fan.
I know.
I love watching the fights.
So when it first came up, it was like, oh, this gambling company wants you to make your picks.
And I was like, oh, dude, okay, man.
We got this fight coming up here.
I think this is going to.
And so I just let my passion as a UFC fan just go right into the.
Yeah.
I don't need to belabor that too much.
And certainly, I'm not the arbiter of anybody else's decisions.
Yeah.
I just thought it was interesting.
Yeah.
I mean, to your point, it is.
It's like everywhere now.
It's like in your face everywhere.
And it's definitely different than any time in the past.
It's just totally normalized.
And I enjoy doing it too.
But yeah, I mean, it's like you got to be skeptical of why it is so in your face all the time.
It's definitely not good for you.
Dad Was Nabisco President00:02:45
Yeah.
It's predatory because it's, I mean, it's the same thing that like the cigarette industry used to do before they got regulated.
My dad was a big tobacco CEO.
He was?
Yeah.
And then I thought he worked for Pepsi or something.
He did.
Oh, okay.
Both.
Yeah.
He worked for Pepsi.
Then he started working for R.J. Reynolds Tobacco.
And during the 1980s, it became like really beyond conclusive that cigarettes caused cancer and killed people and stuff.
And so the tobacco companies.
Um, we're kind of scrambling to uh buy food companies, right?
You know, kind of like hedging like they're this other business going down, like food's always going to be okay.
So, at the time, like the biggest corporate merger or takeover, like in uh, like the history of the world, was um, the the the merging of RJR Tobacco with Nabisco, it became RJR Nabisco, and uh, my dad had an aberrationally strong year that year, he uh.
Became like a big old important corporate executive for Nabisco.
What year was this?
This was 1983 going into 1984.
Oh, wow.
My dad ended up being like the president of Nabisco International.
Holy shit, dude.
Yeah, I think that's right.
So, yeah, in retrospect, my dad sold soda, cigarettes, and cookies.
Oh, shit.
So he's a mass murderer.
Oh, God.
That's the trifecta.
Oh, God.
It is the trifecta, dude.
Yeah.
Who would have known?
It's funny, man.
God, dude.
My dad's like super doom and gloom.
For like the longest time, he's been talking about like the.
Is he still alive?
Yeah.
He's 82.
Holy shit.
You still have a relationship with him?
Super close.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
Big time.
And he lives in Florida, so I was just with him.
No shit, dude.
Yeah, yeah.
Fucking love my dad.
He's the guy.
Has he always been a big supporter of everything you've been doing?
No.
Like, when I went to the University of Miami and like, super flunked out and I was homeless, and then I ended up going to Clown College.
Like, he couldn't really get super on board with.
My son's going to Clown College.
That's here in Florida too, right?
Yeah, he was in Sarasota.
Sarasota, yeah.
Golfing With Shirtless Men00:09:24
Was being the operative ward.
They closed it down after my class.
Yeah, the final class was 1997.
But it was after Clown College.
After Clown College, and to my dad's credit, before I had earned any kind of money, like being a stunt dude or whatever, or even a clown for that matter, my dad initiated a conversation with me.
He said that he felt he had done a disservice to me by not supporting.
Me in this career path that I had chosen, that, you know, but I'm clearly, he said, it's clearly you're committed to this.
And so, like, I just want you to be happy.
I want you to be the best.
I want you to know that I support you.
And, like, that conversation really put wind in my sails.
And I remember, like, at the time, there was this show on TV called Real TV.
And the commercials said, like, do you have any footage that we might want to see, like this caught on, you know, camera, like, If you have any footage you think we might want to see, then call this number and send it in.
So I called the number and I said, I don't have footage you might want to see.
I have footage you need very badly.
And they got back to me.
They were like, okay, we like the footage of you setting yourself on fire and doing the simultaneous fire breathing front flip off the roof of the three story building, which is what it was.
Like, I don't know how they described it, but they said they wanted to pay me.
Uh, $500 for exclusive rights to this video, and I was like, What's exclusive mean?
I never heard of that.
And they said, Um, that, um, that means that you that we own it, that you don't own it anymore, you know, like, uh, and I was like, Oh, that's kind of sounds like that sucks, you know, like, and so I called up my dad, like, kind of freaking like, Dad, dad, and and I'll never forget, my dad was like, Hey, calm down, this is easy, it's it's a no brainer, like, it sounds like exclusivity.
Is a deal breaker for you.
So tell them that you want it to be non exclusive, meaning that they have the rights to use it, but you still own it.
And tell them that they need to give you a thousand bucks for non exclusive.
And so I just said that and they gave it to me.
It worked?
Yeah.
So from that point, my dad was in my corner.
You know, like.
Yeah, super cool.
Yeah.
Like he was.
Greasing the business wheels.
Yeah.
He was looking out for you.
He wasn't like thrilled about me, like risking my life and and you know like the nature of what I did, but but he accepted it and and he um, got behind me on the business side of it.
That's incredible dude, yeah.
So what initially like kind of you know, put us apart, it ultimately brought us together.
Wow yeah, super cool.
That is really cool yeah, and like super together.
So my dad was even my dad retired when he was uh, God, I don't know.
I got maybe 50.
So I'm at the age right now when my dad retired.
And at this point, my dad's on my payroll.
Really?
Yeah, he probably didn't see that coming.
Dude, CEO of Nabisco, I pictured to be living in like a waterfront mansion in like Naples or something.
He's got some water.
Yeah.
I mean, not Naples.
He's in South Florida over on like the West Palm side.
Oh, okay.
So an even bigger.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not crazy.
It's not crazy.
He's been retired for a long time.
I think he's comfortable, lives reasonably modestly, but very, very comfortably.
Yeah.
He's awesome, man.
Palm Beach ain't cheap, dude.
Is he over there playing golf?
He plays golf twice.
Dude, I just played my first round of golf.
Oh, no way, man.
Last week.
First ever.
Oh, man.
First ever.
Yeah, because I've got this property in Tennessee, like this 44 acres.
I've got all this land.
And it was just like, I was like, oh, man, you know, like what do you do for fun?
And I was like, I'm going to get a golf club.
Just whack.
I don't know what I was doing.
Just one.
I just got one golf club.
I think it was like, if I had to guess, it would be like a three wood or a four wood, you know, like, um, And I was just about the one club and a bunch of balls and I was some teeth.
I was just like, I'm just going to whack it, you know?
And like, I have no clue what I'm doing, but I just started having more fun.
And it seemed like each time I did it, I got like a little bit better at like whacking the plate, you know?
And finally, I was like, you know what?
This is just getting too fun.
I think I'm going to give it a try.
And my girl, we're always like, she loves Goodwill and thrift stores.
So.
And the thrift store is like some garage sale ass, like wedge clubs.
I'm like, oh, dude, now I gotta start working with these ones.
I started like doing like little chip shots at my ranch.
And so addicting.
Yeah.
So you play golf?
Oh, yeah, yeah, we play too.
Yeah, dude.
I mean, I've done nine holes.
Yeah, it was my first hit.
And we filmed the whole thing.
You know, my dad's not gonna be around forever.
And like, I know that golf is probably gonna be something that, like, You guys can borrow it.
I feel like, well, yeah.
And like, even like, you know, beyond like when my dad's not around, like, golf's just going to like represent, you know, like it's going to be like a connection.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, like, I don't know.
But it's super healthy, too.
It's super healthy just to be outside and walk around outside, especially in Florida.
Walking is a big deal.
Dude, it's so funny because, like, you know, we've filmed the.
I've been working on this documentary and we were filming my dad and I play golf.
And I was like, Dad, like, do.
Do people just always golf with their shirt on and just end up with stupid looking farmer's tans?
Like, it doesn't make sense to me.
Like, if you're going to be out in the sun, take your shirt off.
And my dad was like, oh, no, no.
Like, so it's not classy to not have a dumb farmer's tan.
And my dad's like, well, you know, like people don't take their shirt, people don't go shirtless.
So you would never know they have a farmer's tan.
That's dumb, man.
Yeah.
My dad said he said he wouldn't feel comfortable golfing with somebody who was shirtless.
Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't be comfortable golfing with a bunch of people who are like in the sun with their shirt on.
Maybe you could change the stigma behind it.
Yeah.
No, golfing like Devo and John Daly.
Yeah.
Do you go to like a golf course where people just want to have an even tan?
They golf with their shirt off.
No, actually, you know what?
I've never even thought about it.
But I've never seen anybody at a golf course in board shorts.
They don't let you.
That's what golf courses are so strict.
So it's the dumbest thing in the world.
They're so stuck up, especially the ones in like the Northeast by like New Jersey and those golf courses.
They have like a, those golf courses have like a fucking card with the skin tones.
You have to be like just white enough to get in there.
Like you can't be black, Mexican.
Wait, what?
Dude, golf courses are racist as fuck.
Wait, overtly?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I don't know if it's like that anymore, but like it was just like, It wasn't that recent.
You could probably tell.
You're saying literally, you have to be this tall to go on this ride.
You have to be this white to golf here?
I remember one of the first times I went with Danny, I showed up in blue jeans and went into golf, and they wouldn't let me golf in blue jeans.
I had to buy a new pair of pants in there.
I mean, that's not even that bad.
That's not even that bad.
I mean, that just makes sense.
You know what?
And this calls to mind why I had such a resistance to golf for so long.
Yeah, dude.
Now I'm like, my buddy Julian was a caddy at one of the biggest golf courses in New Jersey, the one that all the presidents used to golf at.
So he would go there and they would pay him to basically run their golf clubs to wherever their ball went.
He was like a golden retriever for golfing.
And he would have to get there an hour before the golfers got there.
So he showed up.
He told me he showed up to one of these golf courses.
I think it was like Bedminster or something at like 5 a.m.
That's New Jersey?
This is in New Jersey.
Yeah.
And he kept his like.
Is that a Trump course?
I think it might be.
Maybe.
I'm not sure.
Bedminster golf course.
Look it up.
And he got there and like he wasn't dressed yet because it was 5 a.m.
He was still wearing his like board shorts or whatever he fucked he slept in and like a t shirt.
And he got out of his car and went to his trunk to get his clothes.
And the dude in the.
Clubhouse started like sprinting towards his car.
No, get back in the car.
Wouldn't even let him out of his car unless he was like dressed with a tucked in shirt, a belt on, all that.
Hair Loss And Elite Devices00:03:08
It's so funny.
It's like when I was in the circus, um, you know, like it was very bad, yeah, that is a Trump course.
It was uh, very, very like not okay to be like partially in clown makeup, like without your nose on, you know, like like walking around with like not your wig or something.
It's like, no, dude, like you.
Do not, you will not be, and that makes sense.
Yeah, you do not get your nose on now.
Yeah, so when did you find God?
You were talking about God a minute ago.
Yeah, I mean, find God.
I don't know, like, if I was to pinpoint a time when I had spiritual inclinations, it would absolutely be before I got sober.
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Like I had wild.
Psychosis, like hallucinations, like hearing voices.
And to this day, I like absolutely believe that that was like when you were on ketamine?
Ketamine, I didn't, I don't remember hearing voices on ketamine, but yeah, there was a lot of stuff going on with that.
Particularly like the combination of cocaine and nitrous oxide and sleep deprivation was, I would say, my main portal into like the.
Ketamine And Consciousness Illusions00:11:38
Not Jesus.
Like, I don't care for religion so much.
Like, if I have a spiritual belief about what's beyond our 3D physical human experience, I get it from accounts of near death experiences, which are very like DMT.
I don't know about DMT.
But there's just a lot of people, perhaps millions, certainly thousands, who have one way or another, like died and had the experience of what's beyond death, but come back into their body.
And these accounts are consistent enough.
You got people all over the world and they're describing the same things.
Across the board, You know, fairly universally, they describe like being enveloped by like unfathomable love and bliss.
And then all of a sudden, like they're like, like this experience that they had as a human being, like, um, is kind of revealed to be an illusion.
Like they're like, oh, that was kind of weird.
And, but this love is actually their home, you know?
And, and there's, uh, there's, um, have you ever had a near death experience?
I've not, no.
I've just shocking.
Yeah, I've had lots of I'm not okay moments, but never like died and came back.
But, um, what's particularly, uh, you know, like I don't know, important to me, I suppose, is uh, in these near death experience accounts, there's a lot of uh, descriptions of what's called life review.
You know, people say that uh, that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes, you know, and like, like there's like.
Real, that's a really another consistent part of this whole NDE thing where people describe that on the other side of death, there's not like the constraint of time, you know, like somehow time doesn't apply in, you know, in like the spirit realm, whatever.
So when you think, oh, your life flashes before your eyes, it's like without the constraint of time, you've got like.
You know, real immersion into this life review, as it's called.
And the purpose of it is not so that you can, you know, reminisce and reflect.
It's rather like you experience all these, you know, notable moments from your life.
People describe experiencing these notable moments from the perspective of the people who they had an effect on.
So everybody that, like, you just shit on and bummed out, like, did harm to, like, upset, like, As well as everybody who you spread joy to and made them feel great.
Like you have the experience of how you made other people feel.
Through their perspective?
As them, straight up as them.
And without the constraint of time and in unfathomable detail.
Like, dude, how the fuck does that work?
Well, I mean, I don't think you can come up with any sort of like conventional, like scientific explanation for that, you know?
I absolutely concur that it would be beyond our, you know, limited capabilities to properly understand it.
I think that people who have these near death experiences, there's so much.
Irrefutable, I would say, irrefutable evidence where, you know, people are like not registering any, like, sign of life, period.
They've got, like, they're flatlined, you know, like, they're not conscious.
Totally.
Yeah.
They're demonstrably not conscious, but they've, they've, they come back, you know, they come back to life and then, like, tell the doctors what was going on.
Experience.
You know, they're like, oh, I was floating up above the room.
I saw you grab this.
Oh, yeah.
And you had the stain on your shirt.
Like, you know, like, yeah.
They know, like, and then the doctors are confounded, like, wait, there is no way that this person was conscious, yet they're telling me what happened.
And, like, I'm just really confident that there's a lot of irrefutable evidence to that point.
So he gets to, you know, what seems to me to be a very logical conclusion that you cannot point to the brain as being a generator of consciousness, you know, like, that, like, Like, we seem to have evidence that consciousness exists separate from our brain activity, you know, and that we cannot, science can't figure that out, right?
You know, science can figure out that, like, I mean, just you know, the doctor is being told what happened in the room by someone who is dead, they're like, okay, they know, we don't know how they know, we don't know how consciousness exists separate from the brain.
But my like dumb little theory is that, uh, That the brain, rather than being a transmitter of consciousness, rather than being the originator of consciousness, it's simply the brain is like a receiver, you know, like kind of like our brain is like effectively picking up the signal of our soul.
A Wi Fi signal.
You know?
And so then if you take this analogy like a step further, then you imagine like a radio picking up a signal.
You know, you can take a sledgehammer, you can destroy the radio to no end, absolutely obliterate it, but you've done nothing to affect the signal that that brain was receiving.
So, if you follow that analogy, then it kind of makes sense that we could have the death of our body, but have consciousness separate from the body.
And I just like floating through the ether.
Yeah.
And like, you know, I get like pretty into some wild stuff.
Like, I had this little phase where I was reading about, uh, The Pleiadians, I don't even know if you say that right, but like in all this, like different crazy theories that I've read,
one thing that stuck out to me quite a bit was the scientific, the science community, I think, agrees that 95% of human DNA, they've got no clue what it's for.
And the scientific term for like this 95% of our DNA is junk DNA.
Yeah.
Can you look up junk DNA?
Yeah.
I'm not sure if I'm remembering this right, but effectively, if I remember correctly, the scientific community cannot figure out what 95% of our DNA is for.
And I heard a crazy theory that.
Claim is that 95% of human DNA is junk has been a topic of significant debate in the scientific community.
Historically, much of the human genome was considered non coding and thus labeled as junk DNA.
Now, I just simply like, you know, like why this, this, you know, was impactful for me is because 95% of our DNA being called junk.
I just.
Seems unrealistic.
I mean, I personally think that there's a little bit more of an underlying intelligence going on in the universe than to just be making that much garbage that's not good for anything.
And the theory that I read was that.
You know, there's like all these, I don't know, what do you want to call it?
Like entities, gods, spirits, you know?
And that originally, that humans, that we were multi dimensional beings, you know?
That we were, and that that's what the 95% of the DNA was for is that we sound like Billy Carson right now.
Yeah, like multi dimensional in the sense that, like, you know, we, I don't know, like we had a, Like our soul was like active, more actively, you know, not separate from our body.
Like, and the theory in this Pleiadian or Pleiadians was that the humans became too, like, as multidimensional beings, we were too difficult to control.
So, that said that some 300,000 years ago, like, you know, Like wanting to be controlled or wanting to be able to control us, that they unplugged like 95% of our DNA, so we're no longer multi dimensional beings.
But, if you look at the people dying and knowing what happened when they were literally dead, and then you think, okay, well, there is consciousness operating separate from brain activity, right?
Then you know, but then again, it's all just silly.
Well, maybe that's like maybe it's similar to like when you're playing a video game and you die and it just like plays.
Your death back over again?
Like you can go back and like rewind and play through it?
It could be something like that.
Perhaps, but again, like the people describing the life review, it's like the key purpose clearly is to reap what you sow.
You know, like the idea that you experience everything as those who you had an impact on, you know?
Right.
Now, like, I think that a lot of different.
You know, religions like spiritual, like, you know, like there's it's common, like the concept of oneness, you know, that like we're all interconnected, yeah, that we're all like effectively one just one thing.
I've heard it described as we're all eyes in the same head.
You know, like I like the, I personally love the theory that all of creation is an exercise in the universe experiencing itself.
Because if you think of like the universe as one thing, one thing by definition cannot have experience because there's no other thing to relate to.
You know, like you can't have up without down.
Left without right.
You can't have good without bad.
So, like, as, and I think that my spiritual take on it would be that this is what Big Bang was.
The Big Bang Theory Explained00:15:10
Science, for all of its greatness, talks about Big Bang, but they're not even going anywhere near what banged.
I mean, you could be really pretty sure that there was a Big Bang, but what are we doing here if you don't have any idea of what it was that banged?
What came before that?
So, everybody's in the dark.
Well, did you hear the recent story about how the James Webb telescope just discovered some super mature galaxies that basically destroys the whole theory of the Big Bang or at least pushes it back billions and billions of years?
I don't have any issue with that.
I think that's great.
We'll try to find it, Steve, but it pulls up like they found out that the background microwave radiation or whatever that's what supports the whole theory of the Big Bang.
But now they're saying that this background microwave radiation is just coming from other galaxies, it's something that's being emitted from these other galaxies, these super.
Mature galaxies that they found.
And these galaxies would have had to have existed before the Big Bang.
Sure.
Yeah.
This is what it is right now.
But like, yeah, all these are.
The earliest galaxy I've ever seen.
Yeah, there you go.
When was this published?
No, this is May.
Okay.
They're talking about these galaxies that shouldn't be there.
Right, right.
Just 250 million years after.
I mean, whether it was before, whether it was, you know, like.
Yeah.
The idea of like what banged is something that we're not going to.
Like, ever be able to agree on, you know?
But I, and I get this from like a book, I talk about it all the time.
I love it so much called Conversations with God.
It's, it was on the New York Times bestseller list for, I want to say, a record 143 weeks, which is almost three years for a single book to be on the New York Times bestseller list.
When was it published?
It was published in like the 1990s, something.
It's called Conversations with God, Book One.
Written by Neil Donald Walsh.
And, you know, you've got like on one hand, this is a guy who, he was effectively despondent.
He was so frustrated.
Like, nothing he was trying to do was working.
He had a family, but like, he was like, man, I'm having trouble like supporting my family.
Like, nothing I'm doing is working.
He'd been in like a car crash and like, it was all kinds of complications.
And he had been in a habit of writing letters that he never intended to send as just an exercise in venting.
You know, and he's like, you know what?
I'm so frustrated because he says some days he just went right to the source and he just got a notepad and he's like, God, like, why?
You know, he just wrote, he vented.
And like, the way that he describes it is that he intuitively got a response, which was like, Do you actually want answers or are you just venting?
And so, like, this intuitive thing, and he's writing this whole dialogue.
So that's why it's conversations with God.
And it's a big pill to swallow to wrap your, you know, to like buy onto this guy's writing the dialogue of a conversation with God, admittedly.
But at the same time, the fact that this was on the New York Times bestseller list for almost three years gives it some kind of credibility.
Yeah, right.
So it's like, it's tough to believe, but it's also like, all right, like there's something here.
And in this book, which I just, I love it so much, man.
It really helped me with.
Processing like deep trauma around the loss of my mom.
And the loss of my mom wasn't even the issue.
It was the state that she was in for the last five years of her life.
And I really was very upset with what God thought that was cool, allowed that to happen.
My mom suffered really, really badly.
And the worst part of it was that she had bed sores, which is like just by definition only happens to people who are.
Completely helpless, like they can't move, and so you're gonna do that to people helpless people who can't move, have these open wounds with all these open nerves.
My mom was crying like in pain, like for the last five years of her life.
Like, no, no, like what God was cool that was pissed.
And um, so now this book, Conversations with God, really changed my perspective on it.
They were like, you know, you've got.
God is everything.
It's one thing, you know?
And I would interpret, I don't get this from the book as much, but I would interpret like Big Bang being like God as one thing.
It's referred to as the absolute.
You know, there's the realm of the absolute, which is just one thing, which is devoid of experience.
And God wanted to have experience.
So in order to create experience, the Big Bang would be like God dividing itself into just infinite.
Things which create the realm of the relative, where like now I can there can be up and there can be down, it's great.
Like, so, like, everything, all of creation, like all little fragments of God, but still one thing, and it's this illusion of separation.
So, then you know, the theory would go all of us are equally fractions of God, like expressions of God, like we're all one thing, you know, we think that we're separate, but.
We're actually not, and so when we die, like the veil is lifted, and we realize, Oh wow, there was actually only one thing the whole time, and so that's where it makes sense that when I die, I should realize, Oh wow, there wasn't anything separate from me,
so when I did this to that person, it was actually me, and so now I'm gonna experience it, you know, now I'm gonna experience it, and I can buy that so much more easily than what religion's trying to claim with the third party judgment system, you know.
Oh, like you're going to go before God and God's going to judge you.
To me, it's so much more palatable that, like, there was only ever one thing.
And so, the life review, when we experience the harm we did to others, it's not for the purpose of us being punished.
It's not like we're in hell.
You know, like, oh, you were bad.
And so, this is what you get.
Your punishment is this.
It's much more just like, it is what it is.
You know, you reap what you sow.
So, it's not good or bad.
It's not, you know, right or wrong.
It's just what happened.
And so it completes the experience, which is the whole purpose of everything, it's just to have experience.
Right.
And so, as it relates to my mom, like for God to be a third party deal that's over there and just cool with the fucked up shit my mom went through, I'm not okay with that.
But for God to have just divided itself into infinite particles.
And so now all of a sudden, my mom wasn't left there suffering.
My mom was God, you know, like God was not just with my mom, but God was my mom.
And it's not up to me to determine.
Like how that experience is useful, valuable on any level, you know.
And there's a lot of cause and effect, and just that's what is.
But I can wrap my head around it.
What happened to my mom was God.
That just helps me a lot more than my mom was all on her own in this terrible situation.
Yeah, not on her own island.
My mom was the experience of God, as are you, as am I.
We just see ourselves as separate entities, just like for the.
The face value of like what is walking around, you know, what is reality?
We see each other as like separate things, but you're saying like below, it's like an archipelago of islands up above the water, right?
And then as soon as the water goes down, you see it's all part of one big rock, right?
I mean, it's kind of like we're all cells in this big organism, yep.
You know, it's like the cells in our body were just one thing, you know, yeah.
And it's super interesting too, how like because I've heard a lot of experience of these near death experiences.
There was one in particular about this lady who got struck by lightning.
Have you ever heard this one?
This lady was going into a synagogue with her kids and it was like a thunderstorm.
She was holding her umbrella and then the umbrella got struck by lightning and she died.
And somebody was out front, like, saw her get struck by lightning and they ran inside the synagogue and they said, Is there a doctor in here?
And they all turned around.
It was just all doctors and lawyers, it was a synagogue.
So they got like the best doctor who happened to be like a trauma, a heart trauma doctor or whatever, because her heart was stopped, came out and they like were doing CPR on her, trying to help her.
And she was out for like 10 minutes and she experienced, she explained two weeks sitting in some kind of a garden and like having conversations with her dead relatives and stuff like this.
And she's explained like her grandpa coming and like talking to her and like giving her the option, like, do you want to come with me or do you want to go back there with your kids or whatever?
It's very rare for weeks.
It's very rare for people to want to come back into their body.
Like, um, That they did, but but there, people will do it if they're like, Oh, my kids really need me, like you know, there's some, but typically people are like, Oh, no, dude, this is this is way better.
I watch a lot of these, you know, and like very rare for people, like what you hear the most is they said, Up your your time, it's not your time, you got to go back in your body.
They're like, No, fuck that, I don't want to go back, you know, this looks way cooler, yeah, but I just, I mean, and I get it, you know, I get it that like everything that I'm describing for.
From my beliefs.
And that's just kind of like the nature of things.
I get it that it's far out.
It's like, oh, yeah, that's great.
You know, like, you know, I, but for what it's worth, well, it's all far out.
Yeah.
It's all far out.
It's just like, it's just like how many people do agree with your far out theory?
Like there happens to be Christianity, which people have agreed with for 2,000 years.
It doesn't mean it's like any more reasonable than yours.
Right.
I love that there's not a third party judgment system.
I love that if you take this view, you know, personally, I take this view where like I've got, you know, real accountability for everything that I do, you know, like I wasn't always like, even like in sobriety,
like, you know, like I'm like, I get frustrated very easily, you know, I get frustrated, I get, I get burned out and like, you know, like dealing with people, like I've, you know, I can really lose my temper, like, ah, you know, like, and, and, you know, and that, More often than I'm really stoked about, it's like bummed people out, you know?
Like, I've been, and I'm like, I feel so sensitive to that, like, you know, that man, there's just a bunch of people that I bummed out.
I know it.
And like people that I've interacted with on a very superficial level who wouldn't be able to get a hold of to say, hey, man, like, you know, I want to like fix this, you know?
Like, people just passed.
And I'm thinking about pretty like low level stuff, but it's important to me, you know?
And there's a lot of like, there's a lot of harm that I've done that I can't fix.
And going back to before I got sober.
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Oh my God.
You know, like to take the idea of a life review as seriously as I do, like I'm pretty bummed on what's waiting for me.
You know, like a lot.
I think on balance, I've been more of a good guy than a bad guy.
Yeah.
But like I'm just really sensitive about how much.
Like, of the bad stuff is coming.
So, like, I genuinely view whatever the remainder of my life is as my opportunity to stack the good.
Yeah.
You know, stack the good.
Like, and so it's not always like easy to keep it at the forefront of my, my, you know, conscious thinking, but like, but I really, really like, I choose to, I try to like genuinely stay in the mindset that I view every encounter with every person.
As, like, that you know, like, I want to, I want to, like, as much as I can, like, if there's so much, like, oh, you want to photo?
Yeah, for sure.
Let's meet, you know, like, to try to make every encounter that I have with everybody, no matter who they are, like, a joyful, uplifting experience.
Yeah.
I'm like, selfishly trying to, like, you know, stack the good.
Yeah, right.
That's that's that is that not the underlying, like, you know, if you take it to be good to thy neighbor, you know, it's like just that simple, right?
Right.
And I love this particular view of the universe, again, for taking away the third party system.
For not, like, I really, really don't do well with Jesus died for my sins.
You know, like, so what?
Like, oh, you do a bunch of fucked up shit and it's cool because it's on Jesus's tab.
Right.
You know, like, and furthermore, like, however late in your life that you decide to be saved by Jesus, like, you're cool.
So, you just wait until you're on your deathbed after being a complete shitbag for your whole life.
And then it's just going to be absolved and everything's cool.
And then on top of that, like, you know, like all of the people who I love who are of Muslim faith, you know, Jewish, like they're going to be burning in hell because they didn't accept Jesus as their savior.
Like, you know, I've always said that if heaven's all it's cracked up to be, I'd love to check it out.
But Not without every person who I love.
And I love a lot of people who, by Christian standards, are going to hell.
So, I guess it's hell for me.
And it just seems so silly on top of that, too, because Jesus, like, pretty well documented that Jesus lived 2,000 years ago.
Yeah.
So, how did anybody get to heaven before 2,000 years ago?
There were humans before Jesus.
Yeah.
So, are they all burning in hell?
That's a good question.
I've never thought about that.
What are we doing here?
I've asked this question many times, and I've heard that they were like, oh, no, before then you could do like sacrifice animals or some weird, dark shit.
Christian Standards And Hell00:05:10
Oh, God.
You know, like it's silly, man.
Dude, that's interesting.
I never fucking thought about that.
And check this out, dude.
Like, my dad, very, very logical person, like almost devoid of emotion, I would say.
Like, I consider him like a human logic machine.
And he kind of went with Christianity for like a minute there.
And he was like, I don't know if I can really do this for the rest of my life.
It would kind of get in the way of.
Of me living the way I want to live.
And so, like, he got very, very, like, into the weeds on trying to get himself, like, free of all the dogma and the fear and stuff.
And so, like, he would go on to, like, quite study theology.
And he befriended this pastor in England where he was living.
The pastor either became fluent in, like, Greek and Aramaic to be able to.
Uh, read the original transcripts in the original languages that, or he just became more familiar with the Aramaic and what this guy said.
And this is really to me a big ass deal because the whole Jesus died for my sins, and uh, or the whole the only way to go to heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, like comes from one line in the.
English translation.
And the translation is, the only way to my father is through me.
But my dad's pastor buddy says that the actual original scriptures, the Aramaic, the Greek, and an equally valid translation of that line would be, now that Jesus is saying, now that I've come to share my teachings, it will be easier.
To find God.
Like, and as I understand it, it all boils down to that one line, how you translate that one line.
But like, it's a lot easier for me to buy that there are more than one teacher, that there's more than one viable way to find God.
Right.
You know, then like this, it's Jesus or you're going to hell.
Right.
Regardless of how you acted.
You know, like, right.
And so, you know.
Well, there's also like, there's also lots of different.
Uh, scholarly people who have translated different original texts and have come up with like all kinds of different theories on Jesus, like Christianity throughout over the millennia, the people that running the churches have intentionally redacted and added in to fit the narrative of what they want it to be, dude.
The what is it?
The Nicene, the Nicene Council, oh, the Council of Nicaea, yeah, the Council of Nicaea is where they agreed like what they're going to include and what they're going to leave out, yeah, that one, uh.
That was a pretty dodgy.
Yeah.
And now, with that said, too, and I like, I, I, here I am just like bashing on, on, you know, Jesus.
And I don't want to do that because that's just not helpful.
Right.
And, and, uh, my, my dad, I was talking to him the other night because I was, I saw him on this, this trip.
And, and, uh, I don't know that I heard him say this.
He said, uh, he said that if you took, uh, like completely at random, 100 Christians and put them in a room and then completely at random, 100 non religious people and put them in another room.
I think that Christian room is a way happier room.
You know, like, well, this is something I think about a lot too.
Like, I notice a lot of people who, like, when they get older, they just sort of like people, even when they're young, they like would mock Christianity or religion because it's like, my parents are religious.
Old people are religious.
Fuck them.
That's like, it's like, you know, you're not supposed to like your teacher or your boss or like the people who make the rules.
And the people that are religious make these rules how you have to live your life.
So when you're like a young rebel, you automatically.
Want to go the opposite direction, like the Catholic schoolgirl, right?
Exactly, that's like those same people when they get old, right?
Right, yeah, that's how you make a slut.
And and uh, super Christian shit is how you get people wearing cannibal corpse t shirts, yeah, bro.
Hail Satan!
And uh, but with those, a lot of people that live that way when they're young will like get old and find God and join Christianity, you know, sure.
And a lot of people will be super devout Christians and then.
Have a near death experience and be like, oh wow, okay, that wasn't it, right?
And I have nothing, I have absolutely nothing against like people who ascribe to Christianity or Catholicism, as long as you're not hurting people, like, do that, you know, be my guest, do whatever you want, right?
Praying To Mecca In London00:02:56
Yeah, you know, like, I've got a buddy of mine, and I was just with him like a couple weeks ago.
Um, I've known him since I've since we were nine years old, um, fourth grade together.
I was actually two guys, I was with two guys, um, came to my property in Tennessee.
We've all known each other since fourth grade.
Abdullah, super Muslim, super duper Muslim.
Like when we were in fourth grade, I was at his house, like, you know, praying to Mecca with him.
And it was like, oh, this is cool.
This is what we do at Abdullah's house, you know?
And interestingly, too, that, you know, I grew up in five different countries and it just happened to be I was nine years old, I moved to London.
And then when I was 12 years old, I moved to Canada.
But I moved back to London when I was 13.
So, and then I was.
British, Canadian, and American.
Yeah, I have three passports.
Legit.
And I went to all four years of high school in London as well.
So, from nine to 18, I was in London at the American school in London for all but a year and a half, which was seventh and a half of eighth grade.
That whole time, Abdullah and I were just bros.
We went through like phases together with like soccer and skateboarding and, you know, like skateboarding was the big one.
But we graduated together in 1992.
I went to the University of Miami, where we know what happened there.
I flunked out at every way you could possibly, you know, everywhere you could screw up.
But Abdullah went to Brown University, graduated with a 4.0.
Then he went to Cornell Medical School.
Then he became a pediatric surgeon at the Mayo Clinic, where he literally invented methods of operating on.
Babies, unborn babies in the feet, fetal operate.
Like he's operating on while they're in the womb, babies that have not been born yet.
He literally invented ways to operate on them.
And like, just that's his deal.
He's like, you know, and he's very specific about, he works in.
Oh, God, what a fucking sad thing to have to do, bro.
I mean, but here's the thing, dude.
He's candid about this.
He works in pediatric surgery because he doesn't want to work on adults because they've just so lost their innocence.
He's just kind of bummed on him.
Right, right, right.
Like, he's only trying to help, like, you know, like, like it's kind of innocent, you know, like the children.
And, like, even better, let's get to him in the womb before they get out here.
Let's give him a fair shot early.
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Yeah, dude.
So, uh, I didn't even know that was fucking possible.
I've never even heard of that, bro.
Right.
And so, Abdullah was at my house, like, uh, Literally a couple weeks ago, and I was telling him, I was like, You know, dude, like, I talk about you so much, like, bragging about, you know, like, we're so close, uh, you know, we stay in touch, and we just like, there's like legit love there, you know, like, uh, I love him, man, and um, I'm so proud of him.
So, I'm always bragging about him, how like he invented this way to operate on unborn babies, and um, and I told him, I was like, Man, dude, I brag about you so much, and you know, like, like, when uh, You know, when people are talking about religion, I always like to bring you up too because I love you so much that, like, I use you as my example of, oh, well, Abdullah, if Abdullah is going to hell because he doesn't accept Jesus, then I can't go to heaven.
I'm gonna be hanging with Abdullah in hell, you know?
And I told him this like literally less than two weeks ago, I think, or two weeks ago exactly, I don't know.
And he goes, dude, what are you being racist on Christians?
He goes, dude.
Don't be racist, bro.
You already have a Santa Claus getting crucified on your family.
Yeah.
He's like, dude, he's like, dude, don't do that, man.
Like, believe whatever you want, man, but you know, like, don't be, you know, the bigot or whatever.
And so I'm with you.
Like, as much as I like resist the notion of it, you know, like the exclusivity of it, right?
You know, as much as I think it's silly.
I absolutely concede that people of faith are happier and in a better spot than people without faith.
Right.
And I think that some people, when it comes time, they're actually dying.
Some people are legitimately at peace with it, like legitimately go peacefully and they're not super bummed.
And then there's some people who are like clinging to life with so much fear and fear and death, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I do genuinely believe that the difference between whether you're going to die peacefully or like super in fear is faith.
Yeah, I think it's part.
I think God is a part of like the human operating system.
You know, it's like built into us to where we have to like it's it's like a meaning generator for us that helps us cope with our existence.
What is this retroactive death of Jesus?
Jesus' death is considered retroactive for earlier humans, according to several Christian theological perspectives.
Yeah, retroactive is.
Would it like Jesus' lawyer came in?
So he's been his atonement for a while.
But okay, so then that would mean that he could retroactively hook me up after I died.
Yeah, so it turns out that.
What's the point in accepting him while you're alive?
Oh, God.
That's true.
You know what?
Jesus can save me later.
I didn't do this while I was down there.
Oh, God.
Retroactive.
I like that.
That's one of the people that I was talking to the other day.
I had Gavin McInnes on the show, and he used to do all these.
He did one special advice really early on called Jesus was a.
And now he's super Christian.
You know, and I was like asking him all about it.
I'm like, how did you make this transition?
He's like, and he was like, he was just like watching when my daughter was born.
I looked at her heel and I saw like God must have made that.
And I woke up and I said, I love God.
And he's like, now I just love Jesus Christ.
And, and, you know, he just like, the way he explains it is he goes, I just go to church and like being thankful for stuff.
That's it.
And I'm like, oh, that's, that sounds fine.
That sounds great, dude.
Yeah.
He also told me a story that he was hanging out with you and Jeff Tremaine or something one night.
And he said that he was going through your phone calling all your ex girl or Jeff Tremaine was going through your phone.
Yeah, that was a thing.
Yeah, that was a thing.
He said you were with like a girlfriend at the time.
I mean, and he went through your phone and called like 10 ex girlfriends and said, Hey, it's Steve O, I'm here.
Everyone was passing around my phone, inviting chicks in my phone.
Like if they saw a girl's name, like, okay, I'll call it.
And then they're doing an impersonation of me and say, Come over, come on over, baby.
And like everyone was just having so much fun.
Thought it was so funny that I just let it happen.
Yeah, that's how I remember that.
He also said that you guys went to go meet the president or something, and everyone was holding their dicks like this because it's just in your DNA that wherever you guys go, you're just holding your dicks.
Yeah, we didn't go meet them.
There was no meet the president.
Maybe there was, but maybe it was like the White House.
I don't remember what it was.
Yeah.
Another thing I want to ask you is Bam.
Like living in Florida now because I see him on Instagram all the time.
He's very nomadic.
Okay.
I thought he maybe had like a probation officer or like a.
Nah, I think he's free and clear of all that stuff.
Dude, he's ripping on the skateboard again.
He really is.
It's insane to see.
Yeah.
I don't know how long he's been sober, but like to see how he basically went downhill after the whole, like after Beaver LaBam, I think it was, was the last one.
Yeah, I think.
And then the jackass stuff.
Like it's just like, And that's one of the things, too, that's crazy to me is like when somebody gets fame so early, it's really hard for them to like get a real grip on reality.
You know what I mean?
Especially when like you have everyone that's giving you everything you want and you have unlimited access to money and drugs and stuff like this.
I feel like it's a common theme, I feel like, you know, like what happened with Bam.
I think anybody who has, you know, any measure of celebrity bestowed on them, you know, like fame and fortune.
Comes with growing pains, I think, regardless of what age you're at.
Certainly, it's going to be harder to navigate if you're super young when it happens.
But yeah, I think that, yeah, I think, you know, and I just think every case is different.
Yeah.
I thought it was super sad when we were talking to Novak to like, because I guess him and Novak don't talk anymore, right?
Is that what he was saying?
I think so.
Yeah, not at that time.
I don't know if they do now.
I mean, he went for a long time not even talking to his parents, you know, and even now, I think he only texts, but.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's just super.
It's super crazy to me because, like, you know, we grew up like watching all the, all you guys like doing all this crazy stuff together.
And that's like what inspired like me to even like get into doing this stuff.
It's crazy.
I don't think there's anybody who's not been rooting for Bam to do well, like wanting him to be like, and that includes like Knoxville, Tremaine, like everybody, like everybody wants him to be happy and healthy, successful and thriving, right?
Like without exception.
And, you know, like I just view that it comes down to accountability, you know, like it seems very evident that he's, Managing to stay out of jail and out of rehab, and like that's great.
And it would certainly seem that he's, you know, abstinent from drugs and alcohol.
I just think that the key difference, what's going to unlock his potential, is to stop blaming everybody else.
Because, you know, like whenever he finds himself in front of a microphone, it just sure seems like he's, he's like, oh, Knoxville and the thumbtacks.
You know, whatever it is, like it's just this kind of it seems like victim mentality, you know, and like, and it's everybody but him, and like, there's he's never like everything just happened to him.
And I just believe strongly that if you want to, you know, assume the mentality of a victim, it's very easy to do that, but then you've relinquished control over your circumstance, you know, like when you take responsibility and accountability for.
For your situation, like you can get a lot more done, you know?
You can.
Sure.
And I think that, like, when people are accountable, that in and of itself, like, just, you know, cultivates respect and it's endearing, you know?
Yeah.
It's got to be a hard thing for him, too, because I think he, I mean, I could be wrong, but I think he, like, just dropped out of school to skateboard all the time, right?
When he was really young, his parents, which is, like, a double edged sword, because, like, on one hand, you're enabling him to do, like, what ended up creating.
Who he ended up being, which is bam, you know, like superstar.
And, you know, on the other hand, it's like, you know, you missed out on like a lot of like normal life experiences and learning lessons that, you know, normal people usually get.
And for me, it seems like that combined with Ryan Dunn dying seemed to be like what really catapulted him down that rabbit hole or that dark spiral, you know?
I mean, sure.
Yeah, I mean, it definitely didn't help, you know?
Yeah.
But I also understand that Ryan Dunn was very much alive and present for at least one of Bam's interventions.
Oh, really?
Oh, absolutely.
Okay.
So, like, the issues were there already.
Oh, right, right.
Yeah.
But whatever.
I mean, I'm still, like, you know, like, I absolutely believe that there's just, it's never too late.
Yeah.
And especially when it comes to alcoholism and addiction.
Yeah.
You know, there's no such thing as too far gone.
There literally isn't, you know, like the, if anything, there's such a thing as not far gone enough, you know, like it's, it's perhaps counterintuitive, but, you know, the first step is we admitted we were powerless, that our life had become unmanageable, you know, like the first step is to admit defeat.
And if you're not far gone enough, if you're like, oh, you know, like I don't have a problem that's that bad, like I still kind of got it.
Then you're just not a candidate.
You're not good enough to keep going.
You're not, yeah.
And that's like to me, recover from it.
100%.
To me, the worst situation would be to just kind of have alcoholism.
Like enough that it can slow you down and screw up your relationships and stop you from accomplishing your goals, but it's not bad enough that it needs to be addressed.
So, like, your life just slips through your fingers just years at a time, decades go by, and then you're like, What?
I blew it.
Yes.
As opposed to having alcoholism so terribly bad that it cannot continue.
Right.
You know, like me and Novak, basically, I would say, you know, like the way that we were operating.
Operating was not okay.
And we had to acknowledge that.
And because it was so bad, then okay, we became willing to address it.
You know, like, like the, the, you really want to overshoot the mark of like, of needing help.
Yeah, you don't want any like, you know, plausible deniability.
Right, right, right.
Like that.
I'm so grateful for that because like, I do not have to wonder if I, Need to do the stuff that the sober people need to do.
Like, it's very clear to me.
Like, I have, like, it, you know, I got it.
Yeah.
So, like, having, you know, being in like a gray zone, it's not, it's not bueno when it comes to this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause you can just end up just going farther and farther and farther until you end up dying.
And it's a miracle.
Some of the, you know, like Novak.
Right.
Didn't fucking die.
Big time.
I mean, when your situation is as bad as ours was and then you actually do something about it, like, all right.
Cause, like, Being wasted all the time.
It's such a time suck.
It's such a resource drain.
And on top of that, you're creating so much wreckage and just being counterproductive, going in the wrong direction.
And then when you actually get clean and sober, you've now freed up so much of your time, so much of your resources.
Right.
Like, you're not like trying to undo damage, you know, like you're not on defense.
But what if they work together, though?
Like, you know, some of the biggest rock stars in the world who are literally in their 20s getting paid to fly jets around the world.
And as soon as they land, a chauffeur shows up with a briefcase full of cocaine and every single drug known to man.
And it's just enabling you.
I mean, like, I think there's an argument to be made that drugs can enhance creativity and, like, Sure.
And make, I feel like there's a lot of big artists who were way better before they got sober.
And once they got sober, their music just sort of like dried up.
I had an interesting conversation one time.
Somebody said, Give me an example of bands or musicians that have been around for decades and made their best music at the end of their career.
When they got sober?
Well, no, not even talk about that.
At the end of their career.
Just in the back half.
Of, you know, and I was like, oh, come on, there's got to be, you know, and then, like, the more we thought about it, it's like, you know, so, like, I'm suggesting that by this argument, sobriety is not a factor there, but just like the longer you're at it and the more you're doing it.
Like, I mean, who can think of, you know, maybe we put it to the comment section, you know, like, suggest bands that have been around for decades that are Metallica is a good example.
Their new album is actually really fucking good.
Like, it's on a lot.
I think a lot.
I mean, so now you know.
I mean, you're not going to say it's not ride the lightning.
It's not, you know.
Yeah, I mean, you just like made a glaring point, valid point that like we're in a deeply subjective water.
So, you know, so you can only kind of go with like consensus and maybe like take it to a poll, you know, like the majority of people think, but uh, but yeah, it's interesting, man.
And um, and and I don't disagree.
There was a point like for me, like to the point of like successful and everything's working, you know, like in in my early career, like being out of control and wasted all the time, like it just worked right in there with my brand, you know, yeah.
And uh, you know, you see, Bam, still like.
Trying to like, like, oh yeah, the more we're on TMZ, like, the better of publicity.
Like, you know, like, it's there's a point when it was working and that was great and I got away with it.
Yeah.
And there's a point when it stops working.
And I think that, you know, on some level, there's a lot of, you know, my wasted years that was of supreme value in a creative sense.
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But as I got towards the end of my run with drugs and alcohol, it, I, It had really devolved, you know, and then it was just like, oh, what did I pee on this time?
You know, like, oh, Steve O peed on a red carpet, or like, you know, like, yeah, got kicked out of here for doing that.
You know, like, creativity wasn't so fresh anymore.
And the best example of this is, you know, I got sober in 2008, and 2006 was jackass number two, and 2010 was 3D.
Okay.
For Jackass number two in 2006, not one single idea I wrote was ever committed to film.
Not one.
Why?
Because there were fucking awful ideas.
Like I was creatively not killing it.
That's before I got sober?
That's before I got sober.
And I was like, that was pretty at the end of my run.
You know, like there was not one fucking idea.
They were like, kill her, let's do that.
Right, right, right, right.
Whereas.
After I got sober in 2010, like, I wrote on a roll.
Yeah, like, on a roll.
Yeah, like, absolutely on a roll.
And what, what, what, yeah, I'm not going to say every idea, but like, fucking a very large conversion rate of writing ideas that I actually got filmed, like, way more than any prior year.
So, creatively, and that didn't happen right away, you know, like, I was just about two years sober when we did that.
Third movie, wow, dude.
Um, and uh, one thing that contributed to so much was that um, I was just so much easier to be around, like it was a real effort.
Yeah, that had to have been one hell of a exercise to try to get all these dudes to get along and like to be on time to shoot.
I mean, I was a bigger problem than just about it, you know.
Like, it was like, oh, dude, I'm on a plane, I'm stuck next to Steve O. Like, oh no.
You know?
Like, in the early days.
Oh, dude, you used to do some crazy shit on planes, didn't you?
Big time, yeah.
And in the early days, we used to share hotel rooms.
And God, was it quick that people learned not to be in my hotel room?
Fill in a room with you.
Oh, dude.
Like, just sit down.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Congratulations.
Right.
So, I mean, you got to, you know, the idea that creative people.
Are more creative when they're on drugs and alcohol.
Yeah.
Like, I won't entirely refute that.
You know, I think that there's a point when it's working.
You know, when it's working.
There's a healthier person in the construct.
And it's awestruck.
There's a point, yeah.
There's a point when it's working, and there's a point when the drugs and alcohol turn on you.
Yeah.
It's when they turn on you and they're not working anymore and they take over.
Yeah.
Like, you're the worst.
Yeah.
For sure.
Big time.
Like, up to a point, like, they serve you and then it comes before you serve them.
Right, right.
And it's terrifying for a lot of people because they're like, oh my God, now I got to get clean and sober.
But, like, my identity, you know, my identity, my creativity, what's it going to be like?
Right.
You know?
And, um, You know, that therein is why it's so important to overshoot the mark of needing to get clean and sober because it's got to have gotten to the point where you're like, All right, there's no question.
Like, even if it even if it costs my creativity, even if like right, I don't have a choice, it's black and white.
I, you know, even if like I didn't know if I would be able to be creative after uh, I you know, when I got clean and sober, I didn't know if uh, I could, especially because you're in rehab and they're talking about how.
Uh, recovery is all about deflating your ego, you know, like adopting a spiritual, you know, mentality, like believing in a higher power.
And I'm like, okay, so like, I gotta deflate my ego, I gotta like be all about like my higher power and spirituality.
And I'm trying to be Steve O from Jackass, like, how's that?
How's that?
I'm just take all the ego out of being Steve O, sure, you know, like, and um.
I just had to not have a choice in that, you know?
And when I first got sober, I knew I had to put the camera down.
I just knew that I had to just make, I had to put that away and just make recovery like the only priority.
And the first, and it was easy to do that too because I had effectively burned like every bridge in my career, you know, that was going on.
Every opportunity I had destroyed with the way that I was carrying on with drugs and alcohol.
And Jackass was not active at that time.
Like, there was no Jackass activity between 2006 and 2010.
So, those four years were just dark for Jackass.
And, you know, like, and I had nothing else going.
So, it was very easy for me to step away.
There's nothing to step away from, you know?
And, like, you know, as far as like starting, you wanted a whole fresh start and everything.
Like, there's no work to distract me.
Like, the relationship I was in blew up, it was gone.
I had no relationship.
The apartment I lived in, I was straight evicted from, was even, you know, kicked out.
So I had a fresh start across the boards.
And there was no job, there was no real job thing until I got like, oh, the Dancing with the Stars wants you to be on, you know?
And that was back in 2009.
Dancing with the Stars was like a 20, more than 20 million people tuning in every time it was on, you know?
Like on TV was still like a big deal.
And I was like, all right, like I can dip my toe in the water.
You know, like I don't have to be a crazy asshole.
Right.
I don't have to like travel.
I just rehearse down the road from my little halfway house and then go, you know, and so I did that.
It was wildly uncomfortable, but I just went little baby steps.
And then 2010, it was the end of 2009, I got the call about Jackass 3D.
And I was like, ooh.
I was like, ooh.
I was like, I can't turn it down.
Right.
But yeah, I just figured it out.
And, you know, the answer is you can be creative.
You just got to.
You can totally be creative, dude.
You saw my show, dude.
No, the show is fucking incredible, dude.
And then all the video stuff that you guys shot, I want to see the whole thing.
I want to see that whole.
Oh, well, I mean, I shoot all that stuff specifically for the live show.
Oh, really?
That's my format, dude.
Do you put any of that stuff on YouTube or anything by itself?
I'll have like an involved credit bed of outtakes.
Oh, okay.
But that's how, you know, my last shows, that's how I do it, dude.
It's a multimedia show.
It's so fucking cool.
So unique.
I've never seen anything like it.
Yeah, thanks, man.
Ultimately, the.
The film will be like what's the comedy special, you know?
Right.
And I have, like, when I do make a special out of this show that you saw the other night, that'll be my fourth comedy special.
And the last two were multimedia.
And they live for free and ad free at stevo.com.
Oh, fuck yeah.
So if anybody's interested to see what this multimedia comedy we're talking about, the one where I'm on the bicycle with the general anesthesia and the sports.
At the epidural foot race and, you know, like the vasectomy Olympics.
Like, yeah.
Like, and at the end of it, I jack off simultaneously blowing a load as I fall out of an airplane butt naked with another man strapped to my back.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
I was like, I was scared.
Who was it, Pop?
Yeah, that was Steve O's.
That was Steve O's.
Creativity is kicking in.
Oh, my God.
Who was strapped to your back?
The tan.
Oh, okay.
I thought it was going to be Pontius or something.
No, no, no.
That was the first time I ever went skydiving.
Skyjacking.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, it's going to be hard to pull up.
When people get sober, they worry that they're not going to be creative, that their life's going to be boring.
I think you've blown that out of the water now.
I think you've crushed that belief for me.
You've destroyed it.
You can do a lot more and a lot better.
How often do you ever see Manny anymore?
You know, I spoke with him because I was in town.
He.
Wasn't able to make it out here, and I wasn't able to make it to him.
He's like dead in the middle between Miami and Tampa.
Oh, really?
I thought he was on the East Coast.
No, he's in Sebring, Florida.
Oh, okay.
And he wouldn't have been able to make it because his lady, he's got this outrageously gorgeous girlfriend.
I know, I've met her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was talking to her forever.
She has like a bunch of her family.
They're all from Hawaii.
Yeah.
Shout out to Morgan.
And she's a musician, and they were heading up to.
Tennessee for her to have a gig.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
I forgot she does music and shit.
Yeah, I love that you got all Manny's tridents and stuff.
Dude, he was one of our first podcasts I ever did.
He's the best.
He's the best.
He's really fucked up.
Talk about somebody crazy stories.
Yeah.
Big time.
And talk about somebody who is just has unshakable faith from what, you know, like I can picture Manny, and I'm not saying this in any disparaging way.
I can picture Manny, like, you know, breathing his final breaths.
In, like, the most perfect piece.
Oh, yeah.
Like, I just, there's no fear in that guy.
No, you know, and like, by six different species of sharks.
Yeah.
And he's only afraid of like bugs.
Those are the only types of things he's afraid of.
The small ones you can't see.
Like, he's not afraid of a great white shark or a bull shark or anything like this.
Yeah.
Just like little, the little, the little, uh, killers that are invisible.
The ones that crawl down your dick hole.
Yeah.
Yeah, those ones.
Those are the most terrifying ones that eat you from the inside.
Yeah.
How did you originally meet him?
Oh, my God.
We.
One of the first ideas I had for Jackass came from the skateboarding legend Danny Way.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Who famously jumped over the Great Wall of China after setting the Guinness World Record for the highest air ever done on a skateboard, which he landed like immediately after.
The Guinness Book of World Records longest air.
He rode in one run, the longest air ever done.
And he set that record doing a backside 360 and landed it and rode right into the highest air ever done.
Back to back Guinness Book of World Records.
Didn't he also drop out of a helicopter?
Yep.
Multiple times.
Danny's the best, dude.
Like I was the same age.
Yeah.
Danny and I are like just about exactly the same age.
We were both 15 years old and his name was on my skateboard.
You know, he was pro.
Like his first pro contest, he beat.
Tony Hawk, when he was 14 years old, how old were you guys when you met?
Um, when we met, I was 23.
Okay, yeah, it was a big deal to me and him when I was 23.
And uh, his clothing company that he started, like, he had me on the team, and I was like, not for skateboarding, I was like, I was sponsored for literally drinking bong water, lighting myself on fire, and jumping off bridges.
Oh my god, but Danny wrote this idea, he's like, Oh, I got an idea for.
For you, you know, because he just loved all my crazy shit that he did.
He goes, dude, it's called shark hugging.
He says, uh, he says, uh, catch a blue shark and reel it up to the boat.
And when the shark's just on the boat, you jump off and, and like hug it, you know?
Terrible idea because God, dude, blue sharks like whip around and they're, blue sharks are like, like deep water sharks, right?
I mean, yeah, but he was saying to have it on the hook.
So you catch and reel it up to the boat.
Maybe it's the, I don't know, like, okay, I see.
But, um, They're fast.
They can flip around.
But you have to go way offshore to catch that?
Or was that?
I mean, whatever.
Again, I don't know the depth or where you find them.
But it made sense to me in that if you think of the way a compass can only make that circle.
Outside of that circle, a compass can't reach.
So if the shark was on a line, the fishing pole and the line would be like the compass.
You know what I mean?
Like, so if you were behind, like, how far that line could reach, right?
Yes.
Technically, you'd be able to hug the shark and it wouldn't be able to get you.
You know, I did a bad job of explaining it, but you follow.
No, I understand what you're saying.
Right.
But then again, like, of course, now, like, you can't show that because it's like the hook in the mouth and, like, the animal.
You're going to upset it.
It's just going to be upsetting and unsettling.
But the shark hug idea was still, like, at play.
But the way that we filmed it, we filmed all of my.
Footage for the first season in the space of five days, all in Florida.
I was literally.
First season of what?
Of Jackass.
Of Jackass.
For MTV.
Okay.
Like going back, this was in literally year 2000.
So 25 years ago.
That's crazy.
Almost exactly 25 years ago.
It was specifically August of 2000.
So, so, and I only shot on three of those days, of those five days.
But they had, and we didn't know Manny at this point.
This is where I'm getting to.
Okay.
Okay.
So we, they found like a tourist operation that would take you, I think it was in Fort Lauderdale, and they would take like families out to go swim with nurse sharks.
They had had literally thousands of families like that they took swimming with nurse sharks.
Yeah, that was the day.
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So the guy says, the guy says, you know, the one thing you got to watch out for is your hand moving.
Right, don't wave your hand around the sharks, right?
And I go down there, like, which we go down there, we're playing with the nurse sharks, we're humping them, like, dry humping these nurse sharks.
And uh, I do exactly what they say not to do, like, I'm waving my hand in front of the shark, yeah, and it bites me.
I still have this scar right there, like, uh, my fingers like shredded by this shark, like, why'd you got bit by a shark on the tip of my finger?
And uh, I go up, I'm just crazy bleeding, and um.
Get on the boat.
We got this hilarious medic, Ed the medic.
He's got a cigarette hanging out of his mouth and he's like wrapping up my finger.
And, you know, later that day, like I'm doing this street fishing, which was originally called bum fishing, but that was with the dollar on the fishing line.
You shit on it?
No, you don't shit on it.
You just attach a dollar to a fishing line.
Right.
You leave it on the sidewalk and you're out there with your fishing pole.
And when people go to reach it, you reel it in.
Right.
And so then they're like, you got them chasing the dollar down the street and you're reeling it in.
Super funny.
But yeah, so I got my finger all bandaged up.
Now, the thing was that when I came on the boat with my shark bite and the blood everywhere, the people in charge of that tourist operation said, You can't show that on MTV.
If you show Steve O getting bit by that shark on MTV, then our business is done.
You can't, you know, like that's terrible.
You can't do that.
And Jeff Tremaine made a verbal agreement.
He said, Okay, we won't show that.
And And I got bit by a shark for nothing.
You know, I was so pissed.
And so then, like, it was in our heads, like, all right, we can't continue to film with little family operations like this.
We just lost an on camera shark attack.
Right.
There was a mellow nurse shark biting my finger, but it was a bummer, you know?
And so then, like, I'm going to guess very shortly after that.
Um, they're the Pontius and Tremaine were watching Animal Planet, and Manny had I think it was maybe it was called Ultimate Predator, I don't know.
Manny had a show on Animal Planet, and they're watching Manny like lift alligators out of the swamp and everything, which they thought was just so great.
But like the clincher was that he was riding sharks around, lifting alligators out of the swamp, all while wearing a speeder.
The fact that he was doing that, he was jacked too, yeah.
For sure.
The fact that he was doing that while wearing a Speedo was absolutely like done.
We have to have this guy.
And they suspected that, had the shark attack happened on Manny's watch, there would be no issue.
We would be able to show it.
You know, whatever happens with this guy, you're going to be able to show it.
And he kind of looked like Jesus in a Speedo.
Yeah.
And honestly, there never was a shark attack for us with Manny.
Yeah.
And like the.
First time I filmed with Manny was in the Everglades with like alligators and stuff.
And it was, we learned Manny's such an asset.
I love him so much, man.
Like, Manny's best on camera stuff was largely when something like completely random was happening at his like peanut gallery.
Like his reaction.
His comments?
His reaction.
Like when I snorted the earthworm, he just couldn't even believe it.
He was like, he's laughing so hard.
He was there when.
When Dave England barfed into the frying pan and we fried up the vomelet.
Like everything, like just the way Manny would react to just our shenanigans was always so priceless on camera.
And like his contribution to, you know, with the animals and, you know, under his watch.
Like I remember one of the first time swimming with sharks with Manny, he was trying to get us to ride great hammerheads.
Like he was doing it, like routinely.
He'd find a great, he'd go out in the water, chum, like he's holding a chopped in half barracuda in one hand and a knife in the other.
And he's just treading water, just hacking up the barracuda to try to attract sharks to him.
You know?
And when the sharks come, then he's like, cool.
He grabs its dorsal fin and just rides it around to the ocean, you know?
Like, so epic.
And it was so funny, too, because Chris Pontius and I, that first day with the hammerheads, We're just hanging on the boat.
We're so hungover.
We got like no sleep.
We're just like hanging out in the boat, just waiting for Manny to scream, Shark.
Normally, somebody screams, Shark, you get out of the boat.
We hear Shark.
We're like, Oh, hurry up, jump in the water.
Get your speedo on.
We already had our speedo, so we just had to jump in.
But so Manny's hacking.
He screams, Shark.
We get in the water.
And it's like, all right, you know, we got some footage, but then we just start pushing it further.
So, like, what we ended up doing before the end of that day was, uh, like, chopped in half Barracuda.
We literally strapped them all over me.
I had, like, the great hammerhead bit where, yeah, I had just like chum strapped all over my body, and then it got in the water.
And there was like some dissension on the boat, like, the boat captain was not.
Stoked on that.
Like, there was like the screaming, like, dude, this is the, and we just did it anyway.
And I remember later, like, again, way more than 20 years ago, my dad, like, we're having dinner with my dad.
And my dad says, How can it possibly be safe to swim with great hammerhead sharks while you have chum strapped all over your body?
And I'm like, Duh, dad, Manny was there.
Like, nothing bad can happen.
When Manny's there, there was just this perceived perception.
And Manny was there when I had the fish hooked through my face.
You know, like when the Mako shark went for my foot.
And Manny saw the Mako shark going for me.
He goes, Steve, watch out.
Like I was doing, again, I was doing the worst thing you can do, which is I had my head above water.
So I'm not looking at what's happening.
You know, I'm not even seeing a shark come.
That's like what they see.
And you have a 30-ought hook through your cheek.
And they're like, you want to be able to see what's going on so you can kind of rip.
But I'm not.
I've just got my head completely above water.
No idea, but because my head was above the water, I uh, I heard Manny go, I heard Manny scream, Steve, oh, watch out!
You know, Steve, oh, watch out!
And so, I hearing Manny do that, like, I jerked, and that was like when uh, Steve, oh, watch out!
And so, I'm like, Getting away, yeah, so great, man!
Oh, dude, with Manny, it's the best.
Is it true?
I heard him, I heard the story years ago, I never knew if it was true or not, that uh, they.
You got trolled through what was it, Boca Grand Pass, dressed as a tarpon in a tarpon suit.
Is that real?
No, damn it.
No, I definitely, uh, because Boca Grand is like where everyone catches the tarpon, and like you can go catch a tarpon, and like any day of the week, camera heads will come up and just eat these like 200 pound tarpon in one bite.
That didn't happen, okay.
Um, Pontius wrote, uh, like we towed him on an inflatable orca in Alaska.
With like legit wild orcas in the shot, like right behind them.
I think Manny told me about this.
Yeah, you guys dumped him in the water in front of her.
Like, apparently, if I remember correctly, there was not a lot of, like, there was like not a lot of data from like humans swimming with wild orcas.
Right.
And like, they didn't know what was going to happen.
They knew that like the orcas are going to kill you.
You're going to get killed.
They killed great white sharks.
Yeah, big time.
But our experience was, and everyone was a little bit surprised that trying to swim with the orcas, they just couldn't get near them.
They just didn't want to mess with you.
Yeah.
Manny was in that water, like trying to go ride an orca.
What?
And they just weren't having it.
Yeah, he said that you guys saw in Alaska, like a pot of orcas, and he was like, go drop me off in front of them.
And he's like, I got in the water, and the visibility was like this in that water.
Right.
He didn't see it until, like, it was literally right next to him.
I don't think he even managed to get.
I just think they weren't cool with being around humans.
Really?
If I remember.
I don't think there's ever been a case where an orca has attacked a human in the wild.
Never once.
Isn't that strange, dude?
Because they fucking eat dolphins.
They eat great whites just for their liver.
Like, they fuck animals up.
But not humans.
They don't want to mess with humans.
Unless you put them in a tank, then they'll drown you.
Oh, yeah, you did the SeaWorld thing, too.
Oh, yeah, you did do the SeaWorld.
You did two different SeaWorld stunts, didn't you?
I sure did.
Yeah.
That was during my like militant vegan phase when my approach to animal advocacy.
Well, you don't have to be a vegan to protest SeaWorld.
What SeaWorld does is fucking criminal, bro.
Right.
Yeah.
Didn't you go to jail for one of them?
I was sentenced to 30 days in jail.
I ended up serving eight hours.
Oh, that's not bad.
Yeah.
Was that the one on the crane?
Yep.
Yeah.
It was expensive.
It was expensive and arguably worth.
The publicity, but like just looking back on that one, like I'm just not proud of the wasting of emergency first responders' resources, you know.
Like, there were so many like fire trucks and cops, and it was just like, what a waste, you know.
Um, and uh, and it was dumb.
Like, I'm on a crane, nowhere near a sewer world.
Like, the reason I did that was because my buddies and I had just gotten like our first drone.
We just learned how to fly the drone.
And, like, so now what are we going to film with the drone?
Like to get something awesome, like I now need to get myself hella up in the air.
So I'm just like looking up at like, you know, I see cranes.
I'm like, well, be kind of rad to be like treacherously on a gnarly, super tall crane and have the drone shot of that.
But that's only half an idea.
So I'm like, what am I going to do?
I'm like, all right, well, if I'm on a crane, we'll get the cool drone shot.
I'll bring, I'll bring an inflatable whale that says SeaWorld sucks and blow up fireworks.
Like, you know, all right.
Like, uh, sure.
Um, I remember, uh, After doing that, there were so many people for years who are like, Hey man, I really respect what you did to stand up against SeaWorld.
And on one level, sure, I suppose my heart was in the right place, but also at the same time, I was just attention whoring.
I was like, Yeah, that was just me.
If I do this, I'll get attention, headlines.
And I certainly did.
But Between wasting the emergency responders' time and being a blatant attention grab and sort of a negative reinforcement approach to animal advocacy.
But that's sort of a trifecta of not my proudest moments.
It helped, though, right?
Because I think right after that, it was, I think, coincidental that within two weeks of that, there was the first legislation that said no more breeding of orcas in captivity.
I think that's what it was.
Yeah, because they would go out and just straight up capture those orcas and dolphins and put them in those tanks.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, well, you know what?
I think at this point, like whatever orcas are in captivity, then that's it.
And then once they've all died, then I don't know that you can replace them anymore.
Yeah.
Certainly can't breed them anymore in captivity.
Yeah.
And yeah, I agree.
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It's terrible.
Because you're like literally driving them crazy.
Like they're like mentally ill when they're in those tanks.
Dude, you can just slowly die.
It's like a slow death.
And they're fucking, I'm sure they become some level of like psychotic.
For sure.
I mean, I think it's just the fact of their dorsal fin flopping over.
It's like they've just like lost their will, you know, or whatever, like broken their spirit.
And like, it's terrible, you know, but I think, you know, if I were to, you know, point to something that upsets me like way more, it's just like the grand scale of animal agriculture, the factory farming.
Yeah, like that's like there's.
I mean, that's so widespread, it's on such a huge scale.
And not only is it terrible for the nature, but it's also terrible for humans too to eat that stuff.
I think so.
Yeah, I think so.
I haven't eaten any meat other than seafood for more than 17 years.
Really, yeah, I think seafood's probably the healthiest.
Uh, and and like I, I believe, I don't think that dying's that.
Big of a deal.
I mean, it's just like everybody's got to die.
I think it's living that's difficult.
Suffering in life is what I think we want to avoid.
And for me to imagine a fish that lives in the ocean naturally, it has a great life.
And then ultimately at the end of its life, it's caught.
It had a good life, is what's important to me.
And where I've gone back and forth between eating no meat whatsoever and eating seafood, I believe that I was just doing my body all kinds of not helpful with chicken.
You know, all that.
Like the Beyond Burgers.
They're delicious.
It's great.
But that's not food, dude.
No.
That's an absurd substance.
It's something made in a lab, like chemists in a lab, like trying to figure out how do we make this thing look more like a burger and taste more like a burger and like all the chemicals and shit that are in it.
It's terrible.
They're so bad.
Yeah, it's terrible.
So, I just think that my body recognizes seafood as actual food.
And that, you know, now with all the overfishing in the oceans, there's another fucking huge problem, you know?
Like, yeah.
You know, eating fish, am I contributing to the destruction of the ecosystem of the ocean and the whole balance of nature?
And, like, there's no more fucking fish.
What do they say that the plastic in the ocean will outweigh fish?
Like,.
Considering A Vasectomy00:02:43
In the near future, really, I'm not, I wouldn't be surprised.
Seen a lot of reports where they find like tons of chemicals in fish that's in the water and microplastics.
Yeah, now it's like, yep, that's why I was so stoked to get a vasectomy.
Yeah, what wait, what does vasectomy have to do with that?
My carbon footprint.
Do you have any kids?
No, no kids, no, no, I managed to get away with no kids and uh.
Yeah, I got a vasectomy, so I'm not.
I thought about getting a vasectomy, though.
I was too scared to do it.
Oh, yeah, it's mellow.
Is it?
Big time mellow.
I heard it was weird.
I mean, everyone I've heard talk about it just say it was like super uncomfortable.
And like, I don't know, just the idea of them cutting open your ball sack and like.
Yeah, I mean, dude, it's very much like when you go to the dentist and they're like, you're going to feel like a prick, you know, like some pressure here.
And like they do the local.
The only thing that you feel is that one initial needle that makes it numb.
Oh, okay.
So you get, like, yeah, you've got one, like, little pinprick to numb the area.
And then you literally don't even feel your ball sack after that.
Oh, wow.
And, like, it's the most, like, I thought, oh my God, I'm going to get a vasectomy on camera and then immediately get on a horse and go galloping bareback, like, to go be dressed up like a pinata and have kids whack me in the dick with a stick.
You know, like, You know, and I didn't, we pushed it until my ball sack was literally a plum.
You know, is that the reason you got a vasectomy part of a bit?
Yeah, I got it finished for my last tour, the Bucket List tour.
And it's in the Bucket List special, which is free and ad free at SteveO.com.
What a great reason to get a vasectomy.
Right.
I mean, it was an idea that I had for the longest time, 20 years.
You know, I was like, they're the Visectomy Olympics, you know, like, But initially, when I got the vasectomy, like the footage, I was like, dude, it's so like barely invasive, you know?
Like the, like the, the, you know, you say cut open the ball sack, like we're talking like a millimeter incision.
And then just enough to fit tweezers, you know, just enough to get like really precise tweezers just to get that one tube, the vast deferens, and then cut that one tube.
And you don't feel it at all, you know?
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Wow.
So like, Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to do it.
My wife got her tubes tied when we had our last kid, so I don't have to worry about it anymore.
There you go.
Yeah, I can't recommend it enough.
I love it.
Yeah, you don't have to do terrible things to your ball sack after you do it.
How interesting is it that for all the overpopulation, are there too many people to feed when in fact depopulation is the much more grave concern?
Allegedly, right?
That's what Elon Musk has been saying that our population is declining.
Well, especially in there's certain countries like Japan is having a huge Problem with depopulation.
China, even more so, because they had their one baby policy, which seems to have turned around and bit them right in the ass.
Yeah, I think they're lying about their population.
I just had this lady on here a couple weeks ago who's from China, and she extensively does deep dives on all of China's policies and all the statistics they come out with all the time.
And she's made this really valid case of how they're overestimating their population by like 50%.
She thinks their population is like, they say it's 1.5 billion.
But she thinks it's closer to.
1.41.
Right.
I Googled this the other day.
He's counting.
And India is 1.42.
So India has surpassed China.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I believe that's the case.
Well, so they never had the one child policy.
But apparently, if you do the numbers, like according to China's statistics of their population, their population has been growing at the same rate as India.
But how is that possible if they've had that policy since what, like the 90s they started it?
And if you just look at America, I mean, I don't know if baby boomers are the biggest generation like the world over, certainly the biggest generation in America.
Yeah.
You know, there's never been one generation that had more babies born than the baby boomers.
And now the point that we're at, like each generation has been less people since then.
And now we're having even less people.
So all the baby boomers retiring represent a drain on Social Security, Medicare.
Medicaid, like, you know, all of these, like, what's called unfunded liabilities for the government budget.
Because, I mean, dude, $37 trillion, you know, national debt.
Crazy.
That's $37 trillion is unsustainable.
But forget about the fact that unfunded liabilities are not included in that number.
And that's your Social Security, your Medicare, Medicaid.
And those are bigger budget items.
You know, like, we're in the hundreds of trillions if you count, you know, if you count that.
Like, we're over 100 trillion for sure.
Our debt, our interest on the debt every year is a trillion dollars.
Well, our servicing the debt by just paying the interest is now a bigger budget line item than the military.
It's the top budget line item.
Well, I think with that new big, beautiful bill, they just increased, Trump just increased the Pentagon's budget.
No, well, now it's a, I think now it's a trillion.
So now the Pentagon budget is equal to the interest payments.
I mean, dude, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's like, what does it even mean anymore?
Like, what is fucking, I don't even know.
I'm like losing my grip on what money even means anymore.
Well, I mean, like, it's definitely unsustainable.
And the one time when the debt to GDP ratio was this out of whack was immediately following World War II when all the baby boomers were born.
And that, what got us into that crazy debt was how expensive the war was.
You know, we had to borrow so much money to be at war.
And, you know, then we went into this like humongous era of prosperity with manufacturing jobs.
You know, now there's not a war.
You know, we had the COVID, you know, we had the 2008 financial crisis, the COVID, and, you know, like maybe something else.
But we do nothing but just balloon our debt, balloon our debt.
And we're not, I don't know how we handle the next pandemic or.
Or whatever, and I'm scratching my head to figure out why war is good for uh, for you know, apparently, like the it makes it gives America a big shot in the arm, like uh, to to be at war because the the the um, the military contractors get billions of dollars to send weapons to all these other countries.
Now we don't do real wars, we just do proxy wars, right?
We just fund the other countries to fight our enemies, you know, so we just give them all this endless amounts of money to fight these wars, and that.
Uh, privatizes tax dollars, right?
But it also artificially boosts our GDP because, like, it's like by doing these wars and like creating these conflicts, now we have to pump all this money into these private military companies to build all this stuff and send it over.
So now, like, they're artificially inflating the GDP when in reality, it's only these specific military contractors that are getting that money.
Yeah, it's insane, man.
And the point being that baby boomers retiring they represent just all they're not paying taxes, you know, the baby boomers are retired, they're done working, and they're costing.
All kinds of money in social security and Medicare, so like, and then you've got people actually working fewer of them, so it's, it's uh, you know, expenses, not right, not assets, it's all like not enough new people like creating, you know, stimulating the economy and paying taxes, you know.
So, like, where's the money come from to support all these old dying people, right.
Yeah, that's the conspiracy theory.
I don't know if you've ever heard the conspiracy theory about how they created COVID to kill the old people so they wouldn't have to pay that debt.
Oh, wow.
Have you heard that one?
That's a crazy sinister one.
I haven't heard that one, but I mean, they call it tapering the Ponzi scheme.
I like that.
If they could create some virus to kill all that only targets like old people, you know, who are like on death's door already.
Whack them so now we don't have to pay them all that money.
We can use that to pay for other things.
I don't necessarily believe it, but it's just one of the theories.
I mean.
And kids and people aren't having kids anymore either.
Like the young people now, like women are incentivized to have careers and be like, make a lot of money.
It's not even incentivized to be forced.
They're forced to.
And that's the thing is that like.
It's just a cultural thing.
Like I don't think that.
I think most women, if they had that, I think most women want to be housewives.
I think most of them want to have kids and raise their children.
I think that there's a genetic calling.
It's in the DNA.
Estrogen makes women want to be nurturing, caregiving, and testosterone makes us want to be macho and providers.
So, yeah, that fits right in with our genetic makeup.
And you just said that you don't understand how money even works anymore.
But it's like, it's kind of simple.
I think that, you know, you look at the World War II ended in 1945.
There was this big, like, boom in the economy from all the manufacturing jobs.
We're making all this great stuff.
Like, the, you know, it was like the 1950s, 60s, and 70s represented like the heyday of the American dream, where one, you know, like one person working, dad works.
And makes enough money for the family to have two cars, own their own home.
Right.
Everything's paid off.
Mom stays at home with the kids.
And, you know, that was the American dream.
But two major things happened, as I understand it.
1971, they did away with the gold standard.
Like, the fiscal responsibility was built into the gold standard.
Like, every dollar had to be backed by gold.
So you couldn't be totally reckless.
And then Nixon takes us off the gold standard.
And, uh, Now, all of a sudden, fuck it.
Who cares?
We can print all the money we want.
We don't have to be responsible anymore.
So they print so much money that the money just loses its value.
And then inflation's out of control.
And then the other piece that was a real big thing, as I understand it, under Reagan in the 1980s, they did away with all this banking regulations.
It used to be that prior to the 1980s, a career in finance wasn't like.
Like a big baller job.
Right, right.
You know, like I think that there just wasn't that much money in being a finance person because there was so too much regulation to preclude people from really getting out of whack.
But the 1980s, they do it with all this banking regulation.
So now, like, it's just manipulating money and fine.
So you've got like the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and money becoming less valuable.
And in that whole dynamic, Like the purchasing power goes way down, but the poor are getting poorer.
Their wages are stagnating because everybody's just so fucking greedy.
So now people are earning the one dad earned working the one job, like doesn't make much more money than he used to.
And the purchasing power is so down that now it's got to be mom and dad working.
And that's not enough to own your own house anymore.
Now, like, the owning a home is out of reach.
You know, that you know, like, so it's pretty fucked, man.
It is pretty fucked, dude.
And I, I, I saw this coming so, like, I mean, I don't know.
I saw this coming.
I remember, like, I was playing a game of pool with Abdullah in, you know, I was on tour in Minnesota by the Mayo Clinic.
And so I met up with Abdullah and we're playing pool, you know, have at some place we had lunch.
And I said, Abdullah, I just don't want to have kids, man.
You know, like, I don't want to have kids.
And he's like, what?
You should totally have kids.
And I said, well, dude.
I said, for our parents, a university diploma meant placements in a career of your choosing.
Right.
But for our generation, not so much.
You know, for our generation, considered helpful, but by no means a guarantee.
And now for our kids, you know, like it's like basically useless and comes with all this ridiculous student debt, you know?
And, you know, I said the dwindling opportunity, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poor, like how hard it is to get by in the world today.
I just don't want it on my conscience that I created a human being to struggle and suffer under these circumstances.
You know, I could wrap my head around adopting an existing child to take an existing situation and improve it.
But I just don't want to create a new situation that's to go sideways.
And Abdullah's response to this, he said to me, in Africa, with all of the poverty, the famine, the disease, do you think people are any less happy?
And my knee jerk response is like, well, yeah.
But I understand intellectually, theoretically, Abdullah's point is that you can strip.
People of their resources, you know, their wealth, even their health, food.
But you cannot strip from a human being their capacity to love another.
And it is from loving others which we derive our happiness.
Yeah.
So technically, and also like.
There's joy too.
Yeah, there's joy.
And whatever the baseline is, like you're going to get accustomed to the baseline.
Yeah.
So like people just get used to it.
Yeah.
And our baseline is just so fucking ridiculous.
Well, America, especially like in America, because we are pre programmed with the culture of trying to rise to the top and like get the big house and the boat and the car or whatever.
So, like, this is what you do when you're an American.
You have to do this.
But now it's so fucking hard.
But, you know, at the same time, you know, just have kids and move to Costa Rica and, you know, surf all day.
Then you can be super happy.
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You don't have to have a lot of money.
And, you know, you eat good food, you're healthy, and you're not like fucked from the get go by being born in America and having to live your life around America.
This fucking empire that seems to be crumbling day by day.
I mean, like, I said before that my dad's got this super doom and gloom mentality and the debt's unsustainable.
Now, what makes America different than Argentina, which has been through all of this, is that the American dollar is the world reserve currency.
So that gives us a lot of leeway for now.
Exactly.
That gives us a lot of leeway and, like, You know, it's all like almost like too big to fail kind of a situation.
But, you know, most recently, and I think exacerbated by all the tariff stuff and, you know, all that, I think that a lot of, you know, countries are losing faith in the dollar.
You know, they used to be the safest thing to invest in was American treasuries.
Yeah.
And, um, And now, not so much.
You know, like, look at the price of gold.
It's.
I haven't paid attention to what you're doing.
It turned into a jump ramp, dude.
Really?
Yeah, it turned into a jump ramp.
Like, you know, like, gold was trading at, like, 10 years ago, it was trading at, like, 1,000 bucks, you know.
An ounce?
You could just hit a million for a bar or something, wasn't there something?
Well, it goes by a one troy ounce, is how they, uh, You know, they measure it.
And so it was like a thousand bucks now.
It's 10 years ago, basically.
Five years ago, it was about $2,000.
Now it's $3,300.
That's crazy.
Now, I mean, it's bounced around a lot, but can you bring up the price of gold?
Yeah, bring up the monograph.
Bring up like a little bit of gold.
You can do the last 10 years, you can do the last five years, and they look pretty similar.
Also, it's $330, so I just want to warn you.
Oh, it is?
Yeah, shoot.
Yeah, I got to get going.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, like, people are losing faith in the dollar.
I don't know.
Like, At the end of the day, I get myself pretty like catastrophized, you know, like, ah, doom and gloom.
And, you know, like, it becomes kind of like a, I don't know, man.
Like, I think it's kind of fun.
Oh, yeah, they got to go more out than, oh, wow, that's 10 years.
If you do it on Google and not Brave, you'll get an actual, like, that doesn't look right.
You'll get one where you can click on like 30 days.
That's only to 2023.
So you're missing the actual jump ramp.
Right, yeah.
If you go on Google, like I said, you'll find the little thing where there's the buttons.
You can do like one year, five years, 10 years, and it'll show you like the value all the way back to like, I'm sure, like the 90s.
One thing for sure, it would seem looking at the graph that Trump has been very good for gold.
And evidently for Bitcoin, too, you know?
Well, yeah.
See, dude, there you go.
Look at that, dude.
Oh, look at the last 10 years.
That's the jump ramp.
So 2015, it was like right above 1,000.
Yeah, it said 2015, it was 1,000.
Yep.
Five years ago, it was 2,000, and today it's 3,300.
That's fucking nuts.
Pretty stoked that I nailed that accurately.
Yeah, you did nail that.
Yeah, all right, man.
Dude, thanks for coming, man.
For sure, man.
Like, I get it.
Thank you for coming to my show, man.
Yeah, dude, thanks for having us.
Tell people again about your tour and where they can subscribe to your YouTube and all that stuff.
When does this go out?
This will be out in probably like a week or two.
Week or two?
All right, so I'll have been done in North Carolina next month.
I'll be.
At August, I'm doing California, Colorado, Arizona, and Utah.
Fuck yeah.
And then I'm off to Canada in September and October.
Incredible, dude.
And then I just don't stop.
Like, I honestly, like, I feel like we're.
You remember, like, 2008, it was like one day, business as usual.
And then the next day, out of nowhere, there's a switch, like a light switch.
Boom.
It's a.
Crisis, financial crisis.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That happened overnight.
And I think that whatever comes next could very much, likely very much, will be that.
You know, I mean, here's rumblings.
You're definitely seeing a lot more news stories about the unsustainable debt.
You're seeing that the U.S. treasuries, that the U.S. debt got downgraded.
It's no longer triple A. Right.
Like, you know, you're seeing.
You're definitely seeing more stuff that calls it into question, but I just think it could be like super overnight, like, oh my God, there's a crisis.
It happened, you know?
And like, just like the 2008 financial crisis, except I think this, whatever comes next, could stand to be like more than a recession, like more like a depression, you know?
And I just feel like, man.
You think you'd ever leave the country?
I don't.
No, I don't.
I got my 44 acres in Tennessee.
I forgot about that.
You fucking got a huge place in Tennessee.
I can grow a lot of food.
That's my neighbors.
Perfect fucking doomsday spot, dude.
My neighbors are like, they're so rad, dude.
Really?
Like, they'll be the security detail.
Yeah, that's sick, bro.
Yeah, my neighbors will be the security detail.
I'll have, like, the farming detail.
Like, I mean, I don't know.
Like, it's fun.
It's fun to plan it, it's fun to prepare.
But in the meantime, I just feel like I'm touring so aggressively.
Just, you know, I'm trying to just work and earn as much as I possibly can just while it's there to be, you know, make the money while it's there to be made.
Yeah.
And, you know, the byproduct is that I get so much repetition in working on my show that it just improves.
Yeah.
You know, like, it's crazy how much my show evolves.
You know, like, do you think it gets better the more you stay?
100%.
Like, the more you do it every single day versus like taking a month off.
Do you think you atrophy a lot when you take like a certain amount of time off?
I go like two or three weeks on, like, one or two weeks off.
Yeah, but like, do you ever get into like a groove?
Do you have it?
Yeah, for sure.
Like after doing two weeks or three weeks?
Yeah, I mean, you'll get to a point where it's like, it's pretty, like, the evolution will slow down.
And now, you know, but this show is like still kind of new and it's pretty well established at this point.
But yeah, I'm going home to go film more shit for it, you know?
And yeah, like the repetition makes it better.
I'm just unbelievably thrilled with the quality of the show.
As it stands now, it's only going to get better.
And the previous shows that live on my website, they're so fucked up.