Jimmy Corsetti and Dan Richards dissect the Göbekli Tepe controversy, alleging a $15 million Dojis Group infrastructure project destroyed ruins to suppress evidence of an 11,600-year-old lunar calendar. They challenge mainstream archaeology's timeline, citing Dr. Martin Swetman's constellation interpretations and accusing the World Economic Forum of limiting excavations that could reveal advanced pre-agricultural societies. The hosts also explore Earth's next magnetic pole flip, linking it to the Younger Dryas catastrophe which may have destroyed the Rishat Garam structure in Mauritania, a potential Atlantis site. Ultimately, they argue that academic polarization and political suppression hinder genuine inquiry into lost civilizations and catastrophic historical events. [Automatically generated summary]
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Witnessing Tank Withdrawals00:05:34
When did you go to Iraq?
09 and 10.
09 and 10.
Okay.
Which was an interesting time to be there because they had already started the withdrawal.
So I was witnessing them ship out hundreds of tanks and everything else.
And at that time, so I was in northern Iraq, in Mosul and Tel Afar.
And what was interesting is since the United States announced that they were going to stop or going to withdraw, so they stopped shooting at us.
They stopped attacking us because they're like, just let them leave, let them leave.
And so attacks were far, you know, few and far between.
But it was truly interesting to witness the withdrawal of all that equipment, as well as to see, like, it kind of put the nail in the coffin to understand that that whole war was bullshit.
Because it's like, we are still there.
People were still dying, not as often as before.
Because, like I said, they stopped attacking largely, but not entirely.
So it's like, every person from there on out that died, it's like, this is literally for nothing.
So it didn't occur to me in that exact moment.
But once I got home in the years following, I was like, I just started to realize, I'm like, this was not okay.
How old were you when you went over there?
25 and I was 26 when I left.
I was actually kind of older because most people, I mean, there were certainly people older than me, but a lot of soldiers over there, there were a few people he deployed with that weren't even 21.
Couldn't even buy a beer, but there they are with a fucking machine gun.
So crazy, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was, I mean, I wasn't the oldest guy, but a lot of guys in their early 20s.
So me being 25 and 26 when I was there, I was kind of like, I was older than my sergeant, my team leader.
So that was interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I've had a lot, I had so many people.
People on here who went over there, like a lot of war fighters that went over to Iraq and Afghanistan and saw a lot of death and carnage and destruction, like you were just saying, before they were even 21 years old.
And it's like, it is just ravaged to that man.
Dude, the fallout is still happening.
I know a handful of people that have killed themselves.
And then my best friend was killed in Afghanistan.
And the fallout from that, he was the oldest of six siblings.
And what that did to his family is, it's still carrying on.
It's the most heartbreaking thing.
Yeah.
You know, in fact, while we're talking about this, let me, I'm not the first to say it, but if people want to look into a conspiracy involving Iraq and Afghanistan, look into KBR, which is Kellogg, Brown, and Root.
Have you heard of that company?
No.
Okay.
This is good.
So Kellogg, Brown, and Root does all the logistics and supply chain for the United States military and government.
So, for example, when we're in Afghanistan and Iraq, they supply all the combat housing units.
All the food, all the fuel, they are the logistics.
And so they won the no bid contract.
And do you know who was the CEO for Kellogg, Brown, and Root before the 2001 or 2000 election with George W. Bush when he had taken office?
It wasn't Dick Cheney.
It was Dick Cheney.
It was Dick Cheney.
They scrubbed the Wikipedia page on this.
There used to be a ton of info on it.
You could go through and look at the prior history.
But Dick Cheney had stepped.
Down from Kellogg, Brown, and Root when he got nominated as vice president under George W. Bush.
But I'm like, people need to connect the dots on this.
And I have heard other people speak about it.
I'm not the first to do it.
But it's like, follow the money.
People were all talking about, oh, it's Halliburton, it's the oil, it's the oil.
I'm like, we didn't take Iraq's oil.
In fact, I mean, ExxonMobil has like their stake in it and all that, but we ultimately did not pump that oil out and take it.
I'm like, if people want to find the conspiracy, it's Kellogg, Brown, and Root because they had overcharged, and you can find New York Times articles on this, they had overcharged by many, many billions of dollars.
And people started raising red flags.
Like, what's going on here?
Like, what, you know?
And so you connect the dots.
I'm like, I bet you anything that Dick Cheney, or here's my question.
Let me rephrase it.
How many shares of stock did Dick Cheney own in Kellogg, Brown, and Root after stepping down from that company while we were still there?
Was he still making money on that company?
Because again, it was no bid contract.
So, you know, whoever worked for Kellogg, people, the higher ups at Kellogg, Brown, and Root certainly profited greatly off that.
Yeah, I thought it was Halliburton that was over there.
Oh, they were there too.
So it was both.
Yes.
In fact, I think those two companies had merged.
I think Halliburton and KBR ended up becoming one.
I'd have to check this.
Okay.
Steve, can you find it?
Or one may have been a subsidiary of the other.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
Kellogg, Brown, and Rick.
Yeah, KBR.
Next time you have a veteran on, ask them because they're the reason why we had steak and lobster tail every Sunday in Iraq.
It wasn't Maine lobster.
Really?
I swear to God.
Now, and these weren't ribeyes.
These were like boiled steaks.
They weren't particularly good.
Halliburton's construction subsidiary.
Oh, is there?
Oh, wow.
So all the housing units, and I could tell you how overpriced this was.
Our housing units, they said, were like $30,000 US dollars, and that's as of 2009.
These things were.
I made jokes with people.
We were all joking about, like, there's no way you couldn't build this for like a few grand at Home Depot.
And they were charging $30,000.
These were just box houses.
These were the most, they weren't insulated.
But, you know, between the fuel logistics, the housing units, as well as paying for the cargo shipping and everything else, for all.
Because, like, for example, with the tanks, you know, you can fly in tanks on C 17s, but most of them come over on boats.
And so it's like, well, who's paying the shipping carriers?
And imagine how much that must cost to ship heavy equipment.
Oh, yeah.
Hundreds of millions of tons of it, too.
Oh, yeah.
So that's, yeah, that's a wild one.
War Ties to Every Conspiracy00:06:05
The Iraq thing, like, I'm very proud to say it now.
I didn't know it at the time because I was a senior in high school in 9 11, which is such an impressionable age.
And my dad was a Vietnam vet, both my grandparents were World War II vets.
Wow.
And I was just, and I saw all the movies.
I'm like, Black Hawk down.
I'm like, I'm going to go be a patriot.
And so I truly believed in liberating the people of Iraq.
And I worked with this guy who was actually a refugee from Iraq.
He had fled with his siblings in the late 90s when, because he was from Al Basra in southern Iraq, which.
A lot of people don't know there was a civil war there in the late 90s where they tried to overthrow Saddam and they lost because Saddam sent in his Revolutionary Guard and the tanks and obliterated them.
And then he sent the Revolutionary Guard to every household and took the eldest son from every house, which included his brother, who was 17 at the time, was not a fighter, and he was never seen or heard from again.
So from that point onwards, Ali al Tahimi was his name, and I don't know where he's at, hated Saddam and he volunteered as an interpreter, a United States soldier interpreter.
There's a difference between like.
Iraqi interpreters, but he was a United States soldier and he had deployed there because he wanted, he had, you know, as a blood vengeance.
But he inspired me to enlist because I'm like, his story was incredible.
I'm like, Saddam Hussein is the modern day Hitler.
We got to liberate the Iraqi people.
And then when I was there, I quickly realized, I'm like, these people don't want us here.
Let me tell you something.
You imagine a war zone?
This was the biggest surprise of my life.
We're driving through Mosul and I realized that these people are just trying to go to work, they're trying to take their kids to school.
This is a war zone.
But no one's shooting at us.
And meanwhile, people just starting to get on with their day to day lives.
And I'm like, in the looks on their faces, I've never seen such utter disdain in my life.
And I realized, I'm like, oh, we're ruining these people's lives.
You know, please leave, like, is what they were telling us.
And here's something else that surprised me.
So we'd go to Iraqi police stations to train their IPs to, you know, take control of the country once we were going to leave.
And so we would communicate with them through interpreters.
And this is something that surprised me they would start and end every sentence.
With the word invader, they'd say, Tell the invader this, looking right at me.
And I'm like, Oh no.
I'm like, I don't look at myself as an invader.
Here to help you.
This is what Fox News told me.
You know, I'm trying to save you guys from having a 9 11 in your own, you know, fool, fool Jimmy.
So I felt like it was very a humbling experience because I went from I could never have believed that my own government would have sent me over there for a lie.
And it was a lie.
It was a lie because, you know, it'd be one thing to have bad intelligence and make some mistakes along the way, but none of those mistakes have been rectified or addressed.
And there's a half a million civilians that were killed there women and children and old people, you know, non combatants.
And I'm like, A half a million and all the fallout from all the soldiers that have come home and gotten in trouble or killed themselves or people that have been maimed.
So, yeah, sorry to start this off on a dark note.
No, it's such a crime, man.
And it's so obvious today.
Like, they can't get away with it anymore, right?
They can still do it, but they can't get away with it anymore.
Like, with the way, like with 9 11, the internet was nothing like what it is now.
We didn't have iPhones in 9 11, did we?
No, that was 2008.
2008, right?
Maybe 2007, maybe.
Yeah.
So, there was the, the, Virtual digital internet landscape was nothing like what it is today, and now, like with the wars that they're still trying to get away with, what they are getting away with basically now.
Hopefully, it's going to change now that Trump's president, but yeah, you know, it's just stunning to see how the world is changing and how, like, going back to Halliburton and those companies that are getting those no bid contracts.
I wonder who's going to get the contracts to rebuild in Ukraine, yeah, and you know, Gaza, yeah, oh, yeah, we'll pay for that, don't you worry.
But Dan, you're a veteran, didn't Blackrock get the bid to rebuild Ukraine or something?
I thought I saw that somewhere, but I didn't do a deep dive.
I don't know.
But of course.
Dan, you're a veteran as well, right, brother?
Yeah.
I didn't see.
I didn't have to do anything.
I was just in the reserves.
Unfortunately, I didn't.
I was out by the time 9-11 happened.
And so I knew people that went over, but I didn't have to do anything.
But one thing that's always interesting about this stuff to me is ever since Vietnam, we have this kind of consistent thing where the American people are always looking tongue in cheek at the wars.
They served in, but if you look before that, you find very little of that.
You find very little of that from Korea, clearly, very little of that from World War II for obvious reasons.
But even you go back to like the Spanish American War and stuff where you can look at it historically and be like, Man, it's a little dicey.
How the we get there exactly?
You didn't see what it was the advent, in my opinion, the advent of putting the person in the trench with the video camera.
That's what really changed it.
It got American people to just look at this stuff in a different light, right?
And now, with the internet, like you're saying, I mean, it's completely different.
Now, the I mean, the I'm sure.
Could you imagine what the would your drill sergeants have done if somebody was live streaming their bullshit about basic training?
I see all the time these guys like, oh, yeah, this is our basic training today.
Here's what I'm doing.
I'm like, what the man?
I would have been dead.
They would have shot me.
They would have made a court martial my ass.
Not literally shot me, but seriously, that'd have been considered treason.
And now they're just like, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
So, BlackRock, yeah, I guess it says that BlackRock is involved in the rebuilding efforts.
And it says, according to Phillips Hildebrand, vice chairman of BlackRock, the development fund for Ukraine will include at least 500 million from.
Countries, development banks, and other grant providers, and $2 billion from private investors.
Wow.
A lot of money running around.
BlackRock.
A lot of money floating around over there.
You guys want to get involved in the war business?
Dude, it's like every conspiracy ties back to war.
Everything ties back to the military industrial complex.
And things that you wouldn't even imagine tie back to military do.
BlackRock and the Military Complex00:05:25
Yeah.
Props to President Trump, who just got inaugurated yesterday because he was.
He was the first, to my knowledge, since JFK to say the words military industrial complex, and he had said that years ago.
Did he say it?
He, yes, not recently, but he had said, You could find a quote.
I saw it, you know, and heard it with my own eyes and ears.
But he said, You know, there is a military industrial complex.
That's what people call it.
He said something along those lines, you know.
And so that's like, I'm like, All right, he's one of the good guys.
But I've long thought that I'm very pro Trump and I'm, you know, leave negative comments right now.
Right, right.
It's just so fascinating.
You know, it's the first time in a long time we've had somebody who's just been advocating for peace.
And he's a Republican, right?
When's the last time that happened?
Yeah.
It's backwards.
It seems like it's backwards.
Refreshingly.
Everything seems backwards as far as it falls.
It feels optimistic, man.
Did you see Elon doing the Hail Hitler?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What was that about, dude?
So let me defend him.
I'm like, there's no way he was doing anything related to Nazis.
It was a Roman salute.
And, you know, he is passionate about the Roman Empire.
And if you, they all left out the context, which was afterwards, which is that I throw my heart out to you.
And I'm like, there's, look, he's, Some people say he has Asperger's.
He's kind of an oddball.
And that's not to be disparaging at all.
I consider him a genius.
Right.
And I think he's one of the good guys.
I really, I adore him.
But I'm like, no, that wasn't anything related to Nazis.
It just wasn't.
Right.
Important to them or not.
But this one.
I got the clip here.
Is there volume or what?
Here we go.
This one really matters.
And I just want to say thank you for making it happen.
Thank you.
Did he at least think, though?
Like, maybe it's.
It's a little close.
My heart goes out with you.
Right there.
Right, right, right.
I think maybe he's like, you know, he's such a social media savant.
He knew that I'm going to do this Roman salute and most people are going to think it's a Hitler salute.
Right.
So it's just going to get a lot of attention and stir up some controversy.
Yeah, I think he was my best guess, and I don't know the guy.
I think he was being sincere.
And the Roman salute is not the same thing as the Nazi salute, although the Nazis got it from the Romans.
But there's a difference there.
You know, like people.
What is the Roman salute?
Back, do you want to answer this?
I mean, I know that back in times of the Roman times.
Sorry.
Demonetization for you, Dan.
The people would show, they'd throw their hearts to the Caesars because they love them.
And so that's where it came from.
It was a sign of great respect.
But it's nothing related to anything against Jews.
This isn't about committing a Holocaust.
It was just a symbol of respect and love.
And I mean, Elon Musk is one of those people that has made, he keeps talking about, like, how often do you think about the Roman Empire?
Yeah.
And he does say that stuff a lot.
I mean, if I may, I find it pretty, I think it's the opposite of a social media savant move.
I think it's kind of, This is kind of, man, you should have probably thought about this a little more.
He was probably just, I think Jim's right.
He's enthusiastic and he's just like, I love you guys.
I love Rome.
But that's the kind of thing that, I mean, it's too polarizing.
There's certain people that like, there's a huge swath of the population that is too stupid to even like look at the context of a quote.
You give them a tiny little snippet and they're just going to take that.
They won't even look what came before or after.
Something like that feeds right into all of their hate.
And so I personally, I think that was kind of a bad move on his.
Part, although it definitely went viral.
Oh my God, the CNN, I saw a CNN clip of these two women talking about it.
They were just like, oh, well, you can look with your own eyes and you can see what he did and you can make your own decision.
I don't know how great that was.
Probably wasn't the best thing.
I suggest you look at it for yourself.
Kind of terrifying.
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Covering Up Nazi Funding Links00:12:08
Just for sharing my ideas and lost ancient civilizations, I've been called anti Semitic.
I've been called that I'm spreading dangerous Nazism.
Oh, yeah.
Particularly because I shared the swastika, which is arguably the most powerful.
Well, the Nazis stole that too.
Exactly.
A lot of people are not aware that it's a prehistoric symbol that dates back approximately 10,000 years and is found on five continents around the world.
And, you know, so take all the terrible Nazi stuff aside, throw those people away as far as the conversation.
But I had shared because I'm like, I consider it strong suggestive evidence that ancient humans were transoceanic, that they were traversing the continents and the oceans many thousands of years before we were taught in school.
And I had sat on sharing that swastika for like six months because I knew, I knew that I would get heat for it.
And in the back of my mind, I'm like, I just never want to be called a Nazi.
Like, I take great ombrage to that.
I mean, I mean, I went over and volunteered for Iraq because I looked at Saddam Hussein as being the modern day Hitler.
And I'm like, I wanted to fight against that.
And I'm like, it's just, I said this before, I'm like, it is a grown up conversation.
You have to look at the swastika as something that has nothing to do with Hitler.
He bastardized it, he ruined it for everybody, but it was a symbol of peace.
And he turned it diagonal, right?
Yeah, he flipped it or angled it or whatever he did to it.
That's the Hindu version right there.
Yeah.
And, you know, so to anyone listening that's not familiar, You know, the Native Americans utilize the swastika dating back approximately 2,200 years at the Hopewell Mound in modern day Ohio.
You'll find it in the American Southwest, the Yavapai Indians, the Pima, as well as the Hopi Indians.
Again, the Hopi?
You see it in almost, not quite every Native American culture's iconography, but they've got those sacred circle things that quite frequently will incorporate the line coming off of it.
Like I said before, to me, it seems like it's a.
A symbol for the, the cardinal directions north south, east and west, and then it's just a symbol for the passage of time.
The line comes off of it, symbolizing that line moving.
The north is turning, and I could be wrong.
But um, that makes a lot more sense than the ancient Hopi hating Jews.
Right, so it's.
But that's where, that's where the conversation, where it is frustrating, where it's like uh, I draw the parallel sometimes of, if you're wanting to discuss how well they made the Audubon, we don't have to talk about Hitler's benefits as a leader or his shortcomings as a leader, or the Holocaust or Call that, even though he was intimately involved in the construction of the Audubon, it has all to do with that.
We just talk about road construction.
And it's the same thing here.
We're just talking about whether or not this symbol jumped the Atlantic and the Pacific.
That's really the crux of this, where we're talking about lost civilizations and shit.
But they tried to water that down and turn it into we are just talking about racism.
And that's the same as with Elon's speech.
He gives them a loose thread to pull on that some people will, that's all they're going to see is that, well, he did that.
All some people are going to see is, well, Jimmy talked about a swastika.
Well, it has all to do with what Jimmy was saying.
It could have been any symbol.
It just happens to be.
Yeah, look.
Yeah, to give my haters, you know, a fair play here, I did make a tweet.
So I had visited Baalbek, Lebanon a year ago, September, and there were swastikas throughout the site.
Really?
Yeah, it's wild.
And I had shared a post on Twitter that said, Did Hitler and the Nazis know something about ancient civilizations that we don't?
And that's when they started calling me a Nazi.
I'm spreading dangerous Nazism.
But this was a very sincere question because there was something called Nazi archaeology.
Yeah.
Himmler and they had allocated enormous resources to go look for the.
The Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant.
They were looking for Thor's Hammer, which is a mind because, like, what?
Like, why were they inclined to do this?
And, like, as we shared, but you shared before, it's like, all right, Himmler had an interest in this stuff, but I'm like, why?
Where does this come from?
Why were they so obsessed?
And I'm not talking about anything Aryan.
I could care less about the color of ancient skin.
I don't care.
This means nothing to me.
What I am curious about is why they were looking for the Ark of the Covenant.
Did they know something about lost ancient civilization that we don't?
Because through my studies, it is my firm belief that ancient humans were far more advanced than we were taught in school.
How advanced?
That's That's the fun part.
That's the debatable part.
But clearly, what we were taught in school, there's, as Graham Hancock has put it, a missing chapter of human history that there's things that just don't add up.
We don't know how they built the pyramids.
We don't know why there are similarities found across the continents and the oceans that shouldn't exist prior to transoceanic sea travel, which allegedly didn't start until Christopher Columbus in 1492.
And so I think there's something there.
And the Nazis, despite all the evil doings that they did, they were also incredibly advanced.
They, you know, whether it's from the rockets and jet engines and other inventions that they had done, they were the most, arguably, the most technologically advanced country on earth during World War II.
They weren't stupid.
They may have been evil, but they weren't stupid.
And so the fact that they had such an interest in ancient civilizations, that makes me go, I want to know why.
Well, to run with that, they were evil, but stupid.
Not evil, and excuse me, not evil, but not stupid either, or are evil, but not stupid.
Something, I'm trying to make words here.
It's not quite noon, zero gay.
Sorry.
Anyway, the.
The Nazis were clearly evil, but they had a government, a powerful government that had gone around Europe looting museums and other governments.
So if I was to say, what does the Vatican know about ancient history that we don't know?
That's not me saying the Vatican is some great organization.
That's just saying there are some snaky motherfuckers that have a bunch of shit under wraps.
And it's the same thing here, but they twist that into saying.
They gave the Nazis a bunch of money.
Well, it wasn't the Vatican.
Do you want to talk about the Union Banking Corporation?
Is that what it's called with Prescott Bush?
Is that what you're referring to?
No, I was referring to how the Catholic Church actually funded the Nazis during World War II.
Is that what you're talking about?
Is that the same thing?
They did both of them.
Oh, really?
So the Catholic Church is one thing.
And then you had Prescott Bush, who is the grandfather of George W. Bush or the father of George H. W. Bush.
Right.
And he was the president of the Union Banking Corporation, which prior to the 1930s, they funded both sides of the war the Nazis and the Americans.
So it was Dulles and what was the name of that company that his brother was the attorney for?
Something Brown.
I can't recall.
Find out what Dulles and his brother's company was that funded the Nazis, or they funded the Nazis through like a proxy or something like that.
Yeah.
And they were found of no, Prescott Bush was found of no wrongdoing.
Um, and he later became a congressman.
Um, but it's a little known fact they did fund both sides, which I think is as sinister as it gets because you're going to profit no matter who wins.
Like, think about that.
Right.
Who does that?
Oh, arms dealers.
Yeah.
If you, if in the Bronze Age, if you are a tin dealer, you don't give a fk if it's the Egyptians or the Hittites you're selling it to.
Just buy my tin.
Uh, I see, uh, Sullivan and Cromwell.
No, they had a company.
I always forget the name of their company.
It was called Something Brown.
Fuck.
Are these the Dulles's that the Washington Airport IAD was named after?
Yeah, that's correct.
What was the name of their company that funded the Nazis?
There you go.
Brown Brothers.
There you go.
Brown Brothers and Harriman.
That's what it was.
Connections to the Nazi bank, the Schroeder Bank.
The arrangement allowed Dulles to continue his financial deals with the Nazi entities.
While maintaining a level of anonymity and protection from direct scrutiny.
Yeah, man, that's a crazy rabbit hole going deep into that stuff.
And the fact that they were trying to cover their tracks.
Right.
That right there, that's a giveaway.
Whenever it comes, if you're wondering if people are doing something nefarious, it's always in the cover up.
Like, so yesterday or the day before yesterday, when then President Biden had given a preemptive pardon to Anthony Fauci, like we were talking about before the podcast, that's right there, the smoking gun that there's guilt.
You don't give.
Pardons imply guilt.
Like, what's the preemptive pardon for?
And by the way, why does it date back to 2014?
It was called a preemptive pardon.
Well, that's what the internet is calling it.
He gave a pardon.
But essentially, since charges hadn't been brought against him, it's essentially preemptive.
And I don't even know if that's ever been done before.
And I know they gave a preemptive pardon to all the January 6th committee as well.
So I'm like, a pardon comes, pardons only exist if there's guilt.
So apparently, you have to accept the pardon and acknowledge guilt.
And if you do that, you'll never be able to use the Fifth Amendment because there's going to be an inquiry, there's going to be a reckoning.
But it's like, what's the pardon for?
And 2014 coincides when Obama, then President Obama, had got rid of the gain of function.
And so it's like, and that's when apparently they started in Wuhan with Anthony Fauci leading the NIH.
And so it's like, this is a whole rabbit hole.
And there's something there.
Like, there's no doubt in my mind that he's guilty of some things that is going to surprise the world.
I mean, a lot of people already know.
I mean, if there's any, if there, if 10% of that Anthony Fauci book is true that RFK wrote, which there's been no lawsuits.
Brought against him for publishing that book.
If 10% of it's real, then Fauci is Satan and reincarnated.
Yeah, bro.
You just got to look at what he did to those poor beagles, those dogs with their eyes.
Oh my God.
You saw this?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Anyone listening, just Google Fauci beagles and they put these dogs, they restrained them, kept their eyelids opened, and let flies eat their eyes while alive.
I don't know what they could possibly have been studying, but I'm like, that is evil.
That is evil right there.
It's pure evil.
Yeah.
It's pure.
Evil man.
No, I wonder what the because I know there was a huge inquiry on Fauci and what he did, looking into I know Congress was was ripping him apart and looking into him, doing like a deep analysis of of what he was doing and what his motivations were and what sort of backhanded motive you know uh, money was funneled to him during this whole thing.
So I wonder Steve, like what was what is the like official?
Like what state is Fauci currently in in regards to the federal government's investigation into him?
Is it on, is it done, Or is it like an ongoing processing thing where there's like future appearances he has to make or like future court?
You know what I mean.
Ron Paul said in a tweet the day before yesterday when that pardon was issued that this isn't over.
That's not his exact words, but he had, I forgot, it was a lengthy message and he said that this is.
Is this the message?
Oh, Ron Paul vows to continue investigation on what?
On Matt.
Okay, on Anthony Fauci.
Intensifies his investigation into Anthony Fauci, asserting that Biden's pardon only deepens the inquiry.
Right, it does, into the pandemic's origins.
Read more about, yeah.
How can there be a pardon for crimes against humanity?
If he's guilty of what people are suggesting, Guantanamo, baby.
Yeah.
There needs to be Nuremberg 2.0 on his ass.
Well, I'm pretty nonpartisan.
I'm not a fan of either side of the political spectrum, but I will say that it really frustrates the piss out of me that every single time a new president gets elected anymore, we have pardons going both ways.
This is bullshit.
The system shouldn't be working like that.
We shouldn't have to, because it's basically we're no longer catering to the country and like.
Compromising with people.
It's just capitulation.
You guys for four years.
No, you guys for four years.
No, you guys for four years.
Well, I mean, look, the Fauci one, that one's unacceptable.
It's like, that's unacceptable.
We've got a goddamn system, man.
We have a system that works.
It's like we already let the presidents do their executive orders and kind of subvert our system a little bit.
We already give them that leeway.
Why the do we need you guys running around pardoning people?
Just cut that shit.
I'll go govern the country.
And if somebody up, let them get crucified for it.
The one I don't care about is Hunter Biden.
I don't give a Me either pardon him, yeah.
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It's all he's got left, bro.
He wakes up every morning, someone has to remind him he's the president of the United States.
The last his first son died, right?
Yeah, of brain cancer or something.
And he, all he's got left is his crackhead son, recovering crackhead son, Hunter Biden.
Yeah, can pardon him.
It's all he's got left, bro.
I'm totally with you, and I know that a lot of people disagree with us, but I'm like, listen, man, like I actually feel bad for Hunter Biden, even though he's guilty of all kinds of things.
And I, the Biden crime family is real, they made money through Ukraine and all kinds of other stuff.
There's so much.
They're guilty of egregious crimes.
Yeah.
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I look at Hunter Biden as a sad story.
Gambling Addiction in Young Adulthood00:07:59
Look what he was born into.
I understand, man.
I understand.
And I'm like, you know, anyone that's that doped up on drugs usually had suffered greatly earlier in life.
That there seems to be a common theme among people that are like that.
Not always.
So forgive me to anyone listening, but like there's truth to it.
Like he clearly, and if you look at the stuff with Ashley Biden's diary, the things that were a bit, you know, essentially it looks like her father was, he did some, look, he was showering with her when she was like 15 years old, stuff like that.
Like God knows what else.
And she, you know, Seems like she's having some real issues.
I think that basically they were born into something really bad.
Yes.
And I'd rather just forget about them.
Let them, you know, we don't have all people to go after.
I don't, I'm not worried about the Bible.
I don't think that Hunter should be crucified like he's the son of the president, but he shouldn't be pardoned any different than the crackhead sitting out in front of Walmart right now should be pardoned.
Yeah.
You're a crackhead.
You yell into this system.
I don't give a fuck.
Sorry.
No, you have a point.
I grew up in the 90s, man.
I have plenty of friends that I had 20 years ago that are in prison right now for doing drugs and.
right and that's yeah they don't get to say well my dad was the president and his mommy touched him when he was 16.
no no no no sorry dude tough man you rob that store you go to prison yeah i don't i don't disagree with you yeah i don't disagree it's an ugly situation it's it's one of the things that happens with with fame and and you know i remember when i was young david lee roff got busted in japan for smuggling weed into the country and that's a 10-year prison sentence minimum dude he was back in the states in two days he's not allowed to tour anymore in japan ouch ouch he's rich and famous japan's rough man Send his ass back home as opposed to lock him up, right?
Could you imagine running in a Hunter Biden in Ukraine when his dad is the vice president of the country?
Yeah.
Like running around, like being a Coke dealer, selling Coke to Hunter when his dad's the president.
Imagine what kind of favors he's pulling using his dad as leverage, bro.
Yeah, he had a lot of fun.
There's no doubt.
He had a lot.
You know, actually, speaking of, because going along lines of his laptop, are the photos real that showed Obama's daughter?
I can't remember her first name, but showing her credit card next to a line of Coke.
I don't know.
I would see that.
Steve, if you could Google this one, this is a good one.
If this is real, and this is a few years old, just type in cocaine Obama credit card, Biden or Hunter, and you'll see.
Look at this.
I'm trying to remember her first name.
He has two daughters, of course.
Yeah.
Go to Google images here.
It says false mail.
I don't trust Snopes has lied before.
Snopes is not necessarily reliable, but I would be curious to see their explanation.
Maybe try Google to see if you can find it on Google, too.
Because Snopes is like blurring out the name and all that stuff.
Yeah, I remember the photo.
I'd be curious to see why they say it's debunked.
I'm not here to tell you it's 100% real.
Like, you know, I did say if it turns out to be real, but like.
Yeah, okay, let's click on the Snopes article.
There's a pic showing Hunter Biden using Malia Obama's credit card to snort cocaine.
A new photograph of Molly Obama's credit card was found on Hunter Biden's laptop.
Oh, it was found on his laptop along with lines of cocaine on the device that Biden snorted.
In October 21, the photo, okay, what's it say?
Keep going, keep going.
False.
Why is it false?
This picture is several months old.
There's little evidence to support the claim that this credit card belongs.
Okay, little evidence.
So they don't, what I'm reading on that sentence alone is like not disproved.
This photograph has been online since at least December 2019.
At the time, celebrity websites circulated it in articles claiming that Obama's credit card had been stolen by hackers.
A likely story.
Stolen, right, and posted online by hackers.
However, we're skeptical that this card actually belongs to Barack Obama's daughter and not another person, perhaps named Malia Obama.
Right, okay.
Okay, skeptical does not mean debunked.
No, it does not mean debunked.
They put false on that.
They straight up falsely declared it.
It's like they should have just said, you know, unknown or, you know.
Snopes is a little politically motivated.
Yeah.
Just a little.
They are.
Right.
Um, so it'll be interesting.
Hey, look, we'll find out in the next couple years if that was true or not.
And I don't mean to tear apart uh, the the daughters of Obama because, like, imagine being born into that kind of life.
What a what a interesting, oh my god, uh, card, you know.
I don't, a lot of people might be like, oh, it'd be awesome to be the daughter or son of a president.
I'm like, man, your life is significantly changed forever.
You can't just go walk around.
Imagine not being able to just go walk to the store by yourself.
Yeah, man, I can't imagine, especially like when you're born into that life and.
I was watching a series about Hunter Biden.
I was on like Fox Nation or something like that.
I forget what it was.
It was the Fox app.
They do these mini documentary series.
And then the first two episodes, like my buddy sent it to me and he was like, oh my God, you're going to think Hunter's such a piece of shit after watching this.
And I watched it and I was like, I'm feeling bad for the guy.
And they were basically saying, like, right when him and his brother were babies, Joe, Basically, he decided to leave and go to another state to be a senator or a congressman where he was not home.
He was home like one day a month, never saw his kids, left the wife home alone with the kids, and they were going through a lot of issues.
And he was completely absent from their lives.
Yeah, that's rough.
That destroys children.
He chose his career over his kids.
Yeah, and that's a hard one too.
I mean, I was just thinking, as we're talking about Hunter Biden and stuff, it's like, imagine being that kind of person.
It's a testimony to the power of cocaine, right?
Hunter Biden's got all kinds of options in the world, right?
He can do whatever he wants.
What's he want to do?
I'll go get high on that powder.
Most rich kids I know end up going down that road.
It's because of lack of better things to do, man.
It's an available thing.
And what are you going to do?
People are not.
What are they choosing to do?
They're bored.
They're bored, basically, is what it looks like to me.
Or they're trying to run 22 hours a day.
So they end up doing stimulants.
But it's the same kind of thing.
It's not the right way.
Your brain's wired differently when you're raised that way and you're given everything.
Yeah.
Totally.
You know, and you have more than all your friends.
Like you're just given things and you don't understand the value of it because you don't really have to work for stuff.
It does some fundamental things in your brain.
It's a disservice.
I've had friends that grew up where they were fortunate enough to, or their parents bought them a car.
Now, when I was growing up, I had to get a job and get my own car.
And my dad helped me out with the insurance.
So I had a lower, he put it on his name.
So I had the lower insurance premium.
That was as good as I got it, but I had to have a job.
And because I had to pay for it, and I had a certain buddy who his parents were very well off and they bought everything for him.
And then, sure enough, in his young adulthood, he had big problems with credit cards because he didn't understand the concept of saving and spending, right?
And he got himself in a pinch for a bit.
I used actually Fortnite V Bucks to teach my kid all that shit.
I just had give him a Fortnite V Bucks, I let him have a $25 every two week allowance, and he was buying V Bucks like a madman with it.
Oh, Fortnite, and he was he was he was he and then he wanted about a year later, he wanted a costume for Halloween, a Fortnite costume, it was like $125.
I'm like, well, you need to save some money for that.
How much do you got?
He's like, well, I don't have any money.
I'm like, well, how much money have you spent on V-Bucks in the last year?
And then he went and looked and he was just like, oh, me.
And now when he looks to buy something online, he's like, I'll buy that game, but I kind of like that skin, but I'm not going to spend $16 for anime gun.
Debating Perspectives on History00:05:59
It's like, yes, see?
Perfect.
Yep.
Yeah.
But that's, it's crazy that you even have to teach kids that lesson nowadays in that regards.
But, you know, the world moves on.
So as a parent, you either like let your kid be in the dust or you figure something out or, you know, let them be the next generation of kids that don't know how to fucking value shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Iron sharpens iron.
Yeah.
So.
I guess we can talk about like some ancient civilization shit on this podcast.
Let's do it.
I've been known to talk about that stuff from time to time.
So, Jimmy, everybody knows who you are.
Not everybody.
Not everybody.
You need no introduction.
Dan, how did you get into this stuff?
And how did you, first of all, how did you guys meet and team up?
Oh, I just made a response video to Jimmy and he was chill with it and we talked and stuff.
And then just over time, we ended up doing.
Podcast, or like we did a couple of live streams together, and then Joe Rogan, and yeah, yeah.
Well, to me, even you know, you did a debunk on me, and you did it with such class.
Um, so I have oh, a debunk, a debunker, yeah, not bad, but um, so anyone that doesn't know me, I have a YouTube channel called Bright Insights, yes, and exploring the mysteries of lost ancient civilizations.
I firmly believe that ancient humans were older and more advanced than we were taught in school.
I personally think significantly more advanced than we ever imagined, but I don't preach that too much because I'm trying to first show people that.
What we were taught in school, what is actively printed in textbooks, what they're handing college degrees out for is wildly inaccurate.
Now, how advanced, that's the debatable part.
And I had just made a simple video where it was them putting like a two ton stone in the back of a Ford Ranger truck and it blew out the suspension and messed it up.
And then you had made a polite response about it.
And in my experience, with as large of a following as I've attained, comes a lot of criticism and a lot of heat.
Not everyone likes me.
And a lot of people, when they debunk me, they're quite nasty.
I've had people call me a Nazi.
I've had a lot of hard, a lot of, I don't know how to put it.
Basically, people not be nice, but Dan Richards here is a class act.
And I gravitate towards him.
I'm like, how refreshing that somebody can oppose to what I'm suggesting and do it with such classes.
We connected, been friends ever since.
And Dan is providing such a unique niche spot in this field where it's like you're bridging the gap between academics and the Ancient alternative theorists, as I put it, where it's like you're seeing things from both perspectives, where you'll defend the academics when they're right, and you'll defend the other side or contradict, depending, and you just follow the evidence as you see it and you communicate it with class.
How did you get into this stuff?
Do you have a background in this kind of history?
I mean, kind of.
I pre ordered Fingerprints of the Gods in 95.
I had it, Hastings had it waiting for me the first day it was available.
I'd read the sign and the seal a couple of years before that.
So I was a Graham Hancock fan, like, Long time ago, and read the stuff and was into this stuff over the years.
Got custody of my kid in 2015 and like working up to getting custody of him.
And then the years afterwards, I didn't like, I just kind of unplugged from all that.
And then I come back and I see that there's like this robust debunking sphere community on YouTube and everybody's fighting back and forth about this stuff now.
And so I just watched Ancient Apocalypse and I watched Milo Rossi debunk Ancient Apocalypse.
And I'm like, well, he kind of did a half assed job on that.
So I started making videos addressing it, and I was surprised it started gaining traction pretty quick.
And now I just kind of poke at any side.
Although a lot of the archaeologists out there will say that I'm not on their side at all anymore, I will still quite frequently defend their positions, just very few of them as individuals, sadly.
But that's a different story.
They hate you.
I've now seen, I thought, no one gets more heat than Graham Hancock.
Then I know I get a ton.
And now I think you've now pulled the lead on that.
They are obsessed with you, actually.
If you go on to go take a look on X, anybody, go look at the battles that you're dealing with.
It's unreal.
They're trying to come after you for anything.
Isn't it weird how people fight so hard online about shit that was going on?
Thousands of years ago.
It's so weird to me.
I never imagined.
People are vicious.
It's insane, actually.
When I got into this, I remember thinking to myself, well, I'm not talking politics here.
I'm not debating abortion.
This should be pretty harmless.
And then not too long into it, I started to see, I'm like, oh my God, this is visceral.
Like people, I'm debating, I'll say that the pyramids weren't built to be tombs and people actually seem to hate me for it.
They get really upset.
I suggest that Atlantis is in the Sahara, Africa, and people hate me for it.
And I'm like, I'm not debating abortion here.
Like, this is very benign.
I'm like, I consider this to be totally harmless.
Yeah.
But it turns out that this is something that exists in any realm.
As I've connected with other content creators of totally different genres, nothing related to ancient history, there's internal battles.
Everyone's just trying to, unfortunately, a lot of people have this crab in a barrel mentality, which is that they try to tear people down that maybe have a louder voice than them.
And it's like, my philosophy is like, hey, if you disagree with what I'm saying, become the bigger voice.
Just, you know, I don't understand the competition.
You just said it, iron sharpens iron.
I mean, yeah.
And Jim disagrees with when we talk about Baalbek, for example, like Jim sees things differently than I do, but where we both see things and where they overlap, we see areas that each other wouldn't see.
You could almost like picture it as like an overlapping fields of fire metaphor.
Different people come at things with different perspectives.
And so when you have multiple people that have different ideas on the same thing with cordial communication, they sit down and talk and they don't have to agree on a single point, but they have to agree that we're not going to be dicks to each other.
Physics of Moving Giant Stones00:09:24
You can get somewhere.
And if the person, like with Ben and the vases, I disagree with him on a lot of things, but I know that he's honest and passionate.
So I completely support his work, even if I think that he's pointed 180 degrees in the wrong direction, which I don't.
But I do think he's headed in the wrong way, but it doesn't matter because his work is honest and is valuable.
It brings data to the table, right?
Yeah, that's the differentiator.
Like Ben's a great guy.
That's what it comes down to with me.
And that's one reason why Dan and I have connected so well, is that it's about principle.
Like, you know, I pride myself on honesty.
And, you know, it's like, there's other people in this realm that will embellish things or say things that are otherwise just totally inaccurate.
And it's like, it comes down to character.
So when people try to character assassinate me for having opinions that differentiate from what they were taught in the textbooks, I find it incredibly offensive.
You know, and as far as Baalbek goes, that's one interesting thing that Dan and I connect on is that I, you know, so like I think that there was a lost ancient technology.
And I always say this, it doesn't have to mean Wi Fi and space lasers.
Technology.
Like a saddle on a horse is technology.
You know, anything used as a tool is technology.
However, the evidence appears that the Romans simply did not construct the foundation of the Heliopolis at Baalbek.
And I consider Baalbek to be, besides the Great Pyramid of Egypt, if there was one site on earth, I actually would say on top of the Great Pyramid, more so than the Great Pyramid.
The Great Pyramid is just, I think the Great Pyramid was a lost functional technology, but let me backburn that for half a second.
And say that Baalbek is a more significant example from the standpoint that it was alleged to have been constructed by the Phoenicians and the Romans, but there's a complete lack of evidence.
In fact, the evidence that it does exist there would suggest that it just wasn't them, is that they did not have the capability to move, lift, and stack those three trilophon stones, which are 900 tons a piece.
And what's interesting about Dan is that you've pointed out that, for example, people will often use the Thunderstone, the Bronze Horseman in Russia, which was like some 1,500 tons.
And for them to have moved and lifted it in the late 18th century, late 1700s, they needed the screwjack, they needed advanced iron rails, metallic ball bearings, things that the Romans did not have.
It's like, so there's like this ground that we share, which is that you might not think that it was some lost technology, but it clearly was done with a method that is completely unknown to the Romans.
And I mean, correct me, how do you feel about that?
No, I would say that it would be a lost technology, but it wouldn't be, I wouldn't consider it a high technology.
I wouldn't consider it power.
Like, I don't think they had like power, but.
You don't think the ancient civilizations that were around during the pyramids had power?
I don't think they had like electricity and shit like that necessarily.
Well, like any, I don't think they were using.
Steam power to lift big rocks.
So, how do you think they cut those giant stones?
I'm not really sure, to be honest.
Let me ask you this What is the reason you think they didn't have power?
Because we have nothing of it in the record except for a few things that can be done in other ways.
There's a few exceptions, but like most big rocks, we can look at and say, okay, it'll take a long fucking time, but we could eventually cut that.
So, you can't, in my opinion, it's like, you know, if I could cut this with a spoon, right?
Piece of wood and it's going to take a long ass time.
But if you came in here and it was cut in half and the only tool available is a spoon, I you know, and you say well, did you do that with the saw?
If I got no saw here man, you got no saw on the record you kind of I could do it with the spoon um, but there are times when you can't do it with the spoon.
To follow that metaphor, and like at Baalbec, for example, like Jim was saying, there's the tech.
We did need more tech than that to move a big rock like that and furthermore, the stones at Baalbec, the three that are still in the ground.
To me that betrays the fact that the Romans gave up.
It's like you've got three in the wall already.
Why are there three more in the ground that you didn't take out?
The three in the ground.
Pregnant weight, the pregnant stone, whatever it's called.
Yeah.
And those three in the ground all show signs of being measured with the Roman foot.
The three in the wall do not show signs of being measured with the Roman foot.
So that to me is, and Romans built with symmetry.
So you've got three stones here.
We're going to put three more over here, quarry those things, and the guys have to move them, look at it, and say we can't.
Yeah.
I will say real quick about Baldac, as far as cutting the stones, those are limestone, and I have, No doubt that they could cut limestone with primitive methods.
When it comes to Egypt and the granite, a whole different ballgame.
But when it comes to Baalbek, we're talking, again, three 900 ton stones that were moved approximately a half mile and then lifted and stacked some 30 feet off the ground.
And that becomes a matter of physics.
Like physics defying that, say, let me be clear, we could do that today.
Absolutely.
But what it takes for us to do that today is magnificent.
Like when they moved, I like to use this example.
Which is at the largest stoned in modern times is the 340 ton stone that's at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art.
And they, to move it 104 miles, it took a year of planning.
It cost $10 million and they had to custom build a trailer truck around it.
Steve, this would be great photos if you're able to bring it up because this trailer truck they built around is 260 feet long, 30 something feet wide, 44 axles, used 198 semi truck wheels.
Jesus Christ.
And they moved it, it took nine days, they moved it at four miles an hour.
They had to go around certain roads because roads couldn't even withstand the weight of it.
And this is to move into.
So that stone is one third the weight of the Trilophon stones, or at least of the Ramesseum statue, which is the thousand metric tons.
You even say that's absurd.
That's impressive.
And that's where, and that's, but that's where like, uh, like to go back to the cutting of the stones, like the cutting is something we can achieve.
You can all, there are certain things you can throw more man and, and time at and eventually achieve stacking blocks on top of each other.
As long as the blocks are some are something people can move, you can stack them on top of each other.
But like those, the stones at Baalbek, they are so big that you can't, you can't, there's no ropes or anything.
With what we've done in history, there's really no way of moving those things with the technology at the time that I, that I've seen.
Seen the debunkers come at it and they always skip the parts that are difficult.
And, you know, there's some things you can't just throw more men and material at.
I frequently just slide down the slope with people that just try to say you could just throw more men and material at it.
How much GDP would the ancient Egyptians have had to throw to get people to the moon?
It would have caused, you know, they couldn't.
They didn't have the fucking means.
There's some great photos of it.
That's insane.
Yeah, could you imagine that?
How many tons was this thing?
340.
Jeez.
300, which is how many pounds?
Holy cow, dude.
A ton is 2,000 pounds.
So that would be 340 times two.
So 700 something thousand pounds.
So almost a million pounds.
And so, meanwhile, you have the trilophon stones that are 1.75 million pounds.
And so, what's interesting is that the Romans, their largest, most powerful crane, could lift 6.6 tons, which means that you would need approximately 130 something of those cranes to lift just one of those trilophon stones.
Yeah.
And it's like, there's not space to do it.
You couldn't coordinate.
Not feasible.
The only way I would think that you might be onto something with there wasn't any kind of electric crazy power saws or anything like that is when you see videos from that guy, Wally Wallington.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who's moving those stones basically like with these little wooden wedges and things and like balancing them properly.
Like, if you could understand the math and the balancing and all and the physics of moving these stones and using gravity to help you, I think that could be an explanation.
If they had some sort of super advanced.
Understanding of mathematics, which I would think they would.
Not only that, I talk about this one every now and again, but stones, up until the metal age, man, until the Bronze Age, stone was the premier building material, and not just for humans, but for hominids.
I mean, this goes back millions of years where people were working with stone to make every tool, every weapon that they had.
So to think that they didn't have some tricks to work with stone that we've lost since they started working in metal, that, you know, the, the, That's, I mean, to me, that's insane.
Now, let me say this about Wally Wallington because that guy is a genius.
Like, what he accomplished to move those 20 ton stones is brilliant.
Yeah.
But my pushback on it is that he did it on a concrete foundation.
He also used water.
He needed a hose to do it, he used pressurized water.
So I'm like, when I look at the 80 ton stones that were.
To do what?
To cut them?
So he would basically like use the water to have the sand below it fall apart and then, you know, use it to shift the weight.
And so when I look at the 80 ton stones, Uh, that the largest stones that were used to construct the Great Pyramid were moved some 500 miles and then lifted and stacked a couple hundred feet above the ground.
I'm like, Wally Wallington's method, although brilliant, wouldn't be feasible for that explanation.
I completely agree with you.
Okay, that's where it's one thing to say that they would have been able to put one Wally Wallington on a site and have him maneuver the block right into place.
I can go with that.
Getting it through the jungles, up and down hills, yeah, come on now, and to get it up elevated that high, too, right?
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Exactly.
Now, let me also say this because The devil's advocate, people listening, like, well, they moved them on barges, Jimmy, you dumbass.
I see it all the time.
And I'm like, well, the largest Egyptian barge couldn't lift a fraction of that weight.
Now, like, well, they have larger barges.
And I'm like, okay, it's not in the record.
And not only that, the physics of moving it on and off that barge is no little thing.
Like, we're talking center of gravity.
Like, that's a thing.
Oh, yeah.
So even I had Ed Barnhart on here a couple weeks or a couple months ago.
And he was explaining to me how the size of those, the conventional explanation for those Olmec heads is the archaeologists believe they moved them on barges through the rivers.
And he was saying, in order to build a raft big enough to float one of those Olmec heads, it would have to be like four times wider than the river itself.
So he completely thinks that conventional explanation is bullshit.
He's an academic archaeologist.
Yeah, I want to go visit the Olmec heads.
That is like, I haven't done a deep study on ancient Mexico, but the more I'm looking into it, I'm like, oh, there's something here.
Those Olmec heads being with the largest 50 something tons moved approximately 60 miles or almost 100 kilometers.
Oh, yeah, it's insane.
Through jungle and mars and swampling.
Dude, the South America's got all kinds of goofy stuff.
Like that, I recently covered in a video the Aymara language having its.
A guy used the Aymara language, which is spoken by the indigenous people in Bolivia, the ancestors of the Incas.
And they use it.
This guy used it in the 80s to make computer language, a computer software that was a multi-language translator years before Google Translate.
And it could translate.
Oh, I saw this video you did.
Yeah, that to me is fucking crazy, man.
It's like explain that for people who okay, the language has there's a few things that make the language work.
This guy, Guzman was his last name.
he's a mathematician, he discovered that this language had a few properties that he was able to use to make a computer language.
One of them was that the language, instead of having where most languages are a binary language, a yes or a no, this one had also incorporated maybe in every sentence basically has either it's either a affirmative or a maybe.
So that allows for a yes affirmative, no affirmative or maybe.
So that gives it a three point logic.
And the language never changes its syntax structure, which is extremely rare.
I mean, if you think about like how Yoda talks and how, you know, it's all backwards, right?
Most languages, when people incorporate a saying from another language, they change to keep the same syntax as the new language.
They don't do that in IMAR.
They keep the same syntax every single time.
It's a few things like that where they ended up making it where it's actually, it works with computers so well.
And it's the only language that has the three-point logic.
It's the only language that doesn't change like that.
Yeah, there he is.
Ivan Guzman de Rojas.
Yeah, Adamari is the name of the software.
And this, I mean, this to me is more impressive than the rocks of Baalbek because you don't look at it and see quite as much.
But this dude did.
He looked at it and he was just like, holy shit, there's a computer language tucked into this language.
I mean, not exactly, but a algorithm that will work with computers so well that he put very little personal time into this.
And by the time he gave up on it, but because of age, there was like 12 different languages or eight different languages this thing was able to do.
And they have to still put the words in.
The lexicon has to be added individually, right?
Like each, you have to type in each word and tell the thing what to mean.
And that was all done.
By volunteer, and in 2006, it was still better than Google Translate was.
And that's that's a while ago, but that's impressive, yeah.
Cosmic Alignment and Translation Tools00:13:25
And then just going back to like what we're talking about with like the swastikas being in all these different cultures all across the world, like the same thing with these structures, like the structures of like these pyramids and these just giant stone monumental things that weigh so goddamn much that we wouldn't know how to move them or lift them even today without like spending them.
I think it was Chris Dunn in his book, he interviewed a company.
Who basically cut giant granite countertops or something like that.
And he was asking him what it would cost to recreate one of those boxes that are inside the Serapium out of granite.
And he was like, he was like, just the freight would be 250 grand.
And he's like, we would never do that out of one piece.
We would bolt five pieces, four or five pieces together.
That was one of the most interesting things about it.
It's like they wouldn't do it in one piece.
And with modern technology, with diamond tip drilling.
And by the way, real quick, to the swastika, I just remembered something random.
Because a lot of people will say, oh, it's the time and say it's like the Big Dipper.
Here's something interesting.
To make people think, the swastika is also found in Peru as well as Bali, which is in the southern hemisphere.
And although you can see the Big Dipper from Peru, you're not going to see it from the Peruvian Andes because, like, the mounds I've been in the Peruvian Andes and it's just you just don't see the horizon because the Big Dipper would be low on the horizon in the southern hemisphere.
And to a certain point, the further south you go, you wouldn't see it at all.
I'd have to double check on Bali as far as how far south it is.
But it's like the fact that the swastika is seen there makes me doubt that maybe it's not the Big Dipper because.
It's not exactly the swastika, it isn't totally shaped like it.
Like they try to say it's the Big Dipper facing four different directions, the cardinal points.
I'm like, but they leave out a key, you know, part of its symmetry that I'm like, I'm not convinced that that's what it is.
And on top of it, I don't, the swastika, some people say it's a very basic symbol, but I'm like, it's also highly unique.
I don't think it's all that basic and intuitive for anyone across five continents to all come up with the same symbol.
I have doubts about that.
I can't prove it, and I don't ultimately know.
But the fact that it's found on five continents dating back as far as 10,000 years.
Is bizarre.
I think that it's indicative of a cross continental connection that existed long before we were taught.
But there's other things, like you mentioned, the pyramids found on four continents around the world.
There's deities that are also very similar in various parts of the world.
Yep, like that number seven, the seven sages, and you know, going back to Mesopotamia and that's seen in different parts of the world.
The idea of mirroring the sky on the ground with buildings that's something that you see both in South America and in ancient Egypt.
Like cosmic alignment with buildings and stuff like that.
Yeah, like the Mayan temple with the El Culcacan with the undulating serpent or the Orion Giza thing, which I know some astronomers will complain about, but they haven't done their research.
So for those of you who are already typing, go fucking research it a little bit.
What is either of you guys, like, what's your favorite theory on what the Great Pyramid actually was?
Like, if you were just playing the lotto, I, my best guess, and I don't know that I always like to say, I don't know.
Crazy tinfoil.
As tenfold hot as you want to be.
Like, what would you guess?
I really like Christopher Dunn's power plant theory.
I think having, I've been in Giza three times, and there's nothing about the Great Pyramid that resembles anything like a tomb.
And when you walk through its bizarre layout and structure, I think it was something functional that goes beyond our understanding.
I cannot prove it.
But like, yeah, I think that when we look at that in modern times, the largest things we build are like hydroelectric dams, that maybe it was something for harnessing power.
But then people say, well, what was it using to power?
And that goes down a whole rabbit hole.
And so I'm not, Maybe it's not true at all.
But I think it was functional.
What are your thoughts, Dan?
Well, honestly, I think that probably one of the things, there might be all kinds of things like what Jim was saying, which I'm more skeptical of.
But what I am very, my favorite hypothesis is we know it was a funerary complex.
There's no question that Giza wasn't.
Later, right?
Yeah.
Well, definitely later.
To me, it seems like, you know, the idea that if you're going to be reincarnated, if you're going to be immortal, you need people to remember you.
Like we would joke with each other today, we're going to.
They'll sing your songs around the campfires for generations to come, right?
It's a tongue in cheek joke, but that's not something that the ancients would have valued, man.
They're going to remember me.
I'm going to be dead, but people will speak my name.
Well, that's something that a lot of ideas on immortality are contingent.
People quit speaking my name.
I'm not immortal anymore.
They need to remember me.
Right.
Symbolic immortality.
And are we not mentioning names of pharaohs here today?
No.
So that's, in my opinion, I think that they, sure, that's a big part of it was just to do it.
And that's one of the reasons you make it goofy and mysterious and weird because it, You make the bridge to nowhere just to make people scratch their head.
No, if you want to talk about mortality, if you want to know my most batshit crazy theory on the Great Pyramid, is that maybe it was a device for harnessing DNA restoration.
Around different parts of the world, they talk about humans living to be thousands of years, hundreds and even thousands of years old.
Right.
And maybe there's certain sarcophagus that you'll find in Egypt where on the inside of it, on the lid, underneath, a lot of people never see it, is essentially a person with its arms and.
Arms and legs spread up like this, and it's just laying in there.
And I have, there's photos I have, they have examples of this at the Cairo Museum, and you can also see it in the Valley of the Kings.
But it's just a person laying there with the arms and legs, and I'm like, that's not how they buried pharaohs.
They were all like this with their arms across their chest.
And so, if the pyramid was a device of some kind for generating power, maybe, and this is, of course, this is just a wild idea.
I'm not convinced of this.
This is fun, but what if it was for helping longevity?
Maybe it cured cancer.
Repair DNA.
I don't make videos like advocating for this because it's just, but if you're going to ask me in a conversation, I'm like, yeah, what if?
Maybe it was for, you know, because it is bizarre that there's so many legends across the world talking about humans living to be hundreds and even thousands of years old.
Yeah.
Where does that come from?
Who would make that up?
Is that really a real bedtime story?
Because that's what we'll say.
Oh, well, this is just they passed it down.
It's like, is that what you tell your kids before they go to bed?
Oh, humans used to live so long.
Where does that come from?
I'm not convinced of that.
Yeah.
No, that is a bizarre one.
How there was like telomeres.
Tell them your caps or something.
This goes back to the Anunnaki stuff, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love that stuff.
You know, that's like the most taboo thing for people.
Yeah, and Sitchin may have been wrong about a lot of things, but it doesn't mean that there wasn't truth to it.
Like, if you want to know my most crazy ideas, I do think it's incredibly possible that humans were a hybrid species.
When you look at these legends of angels coming down and breeding with the women and all this stuff, I'm like, if we're cloning pigs and growing human ears on the backs of mice and all this crazy stuff that we're doing now, It's not impossible that if humans were to go to another planet, we wouldn't mess with them either.
Sure.
You know, I mean, if there were life forms on other planets.
Oh, Billy Carson.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, Billy.
What we're talking about this time, just to be Dan the big old wet blanket, we talk about the potential of the pyramid being a technological device.
There is one thing that I see talked about a lot, and I do have to point it out.
As a guy who worked in electricity, the piezoelectric thing, which, if you don't know what piezoelectricity is, it's what makes a quartz crystal.
You get a little electricity.
It's what makes your quartz watch work and your igniters for your gas grills.
Sure.
Okay.
So the theory will be well, there's a lot of limestone or a lot of quartz in limestone.
Therefore, a little bit of stress in the limestone.
You get these big electric charges.
Look at all that limestone.
They're making all this electricity.
The problem with that is that each one of those crystals has to have a piece of metal on both sides to harness that charge, right?
Electricity.
Otherwise, it just.
So if you have it, then you've got this block full of those.
Crystals.
So they would all have to be aligned in the same direction.
They would all have to be aligned magnetically to begin with.
Then you would have to have that entire block sandwiched in metal, and that's only if they were all aligned, which is extremely limiting.
And we don't see any signs of this.
And then you would have to have a place to harness it.
So, while they would definitely be ripping metal out of the structure, if it was abandoned and had a shitload of metal in it and they were pulling it out, the metal between the courses we would find remnants of.
Or in the cap, right?
The cap's been missing since time immemorial, right?
But anyway, my point is that while I'm not opposed to the idea of it being a technological device, There's always like the funnel of reality that I always try to kind of bring us back to.
It's like, yeah, we can, but electricity is getting a little bit too far out there.
Not that electricity itself isn't, but the electricity, piezoelectricity from the limestone blocks is something that if I was tasked with doing that as an electrician, I'd be like, need a magician, buddy.
Sorry.
Friedman Freund, that NASA scientist, did an experiment where they took a giant block of granite and they put two metal caps on each side and they squeezed it with a hydraulic press and it literally was creating electricity.
Oh, wow.
Interesting.
I haven't looked at that.
Yeah.
This is in his new or Chris's new book, The Tesla Connection, where he basically hypothesizes that it's a solid state electron harvester.
Yeah.
So, so that's bizarre.
And that goes right into so that guy Friedman Ford, that NASA scientist, he was basically studying earthquake lights.
How all over the world, like days and weeks before an earthquake happens, there's deep subterranean grinding of the rocks, the igneous rocks, creating these crazy, like, Some people thought they were UFOs or they're like orbs in the sky.
And they were earthquake lights creating from the electricity from that deep earth igneous rock rubbing against each other.
And they were hypothesizing that that's a way that they could mitigate the damage from earthquakes.
So if they're seeing earthquake lights pop up above the mountains, they're like, okay, we got to evacuate.
There's going to be an earthquake.
And I think they actually were able to accurately predict it within like, I think, 14 days of a couple of earthquakes, like over near Indonesia a few times.
That's wild.
Yeah, and the Great Pyramid is built on top of an aquifer.
Yeah.
You know, like there's subterranean water that had flown under there back when the Nile was much closer.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like when it comes to the Great Pyramid, you know, a lot of people will hotly debate what it was.
And this is where I get into it.
I'm like, this is why there needs to be further study and archaeological excavation.
Yeah.
Are you familiar with that hidden chamber that they've identified?
Yeah, above the Grand Gallery, right?
And the Scan Pyramids Project found it.
Yeah.
And this thing is massive.
They still haven't explored it.
And it's like, even though they discovered it eight years ago and it was.
Confirmed in a scientific study seven years ago.
As of today, it has not been explored.
There's no plan in place to do it.
Although maybe I've heard something that now there's, I can't say it because when people tell you something that it's a secret, you can't repeat it.
But it sounds like this topic has got the attention of the right people and something may happen later this year.
It's the size of a 747.
It's huge.
Yeah.
And so it's like, with that being said, what's inside this hidden chamber?
There could be a lost technology if it existed.
There could be answers on how the pyramid was constructed because that's debated.
Nobody knows how they constructed it.
Maybe you go in there and be like, Oh, so maybe this is how they were stacking those stones.
Oh, you know, whatever.
Maybe there's a pharaoh in there.
Like, I don't think it's super boring about it.
It'd be like, even if it's an empty one, yeah, tucks his body away.
Yeah.
And if it was for a tomb for the pharaoh, what if there's a burial in there?
Like, there's so many answers that we could get by simply going in there, and they can do it.
They can drill a small hole and send in, you know, an endoscope camera, and they could figure it out in a very short period of time for not a lot of money without damaging the pyramid.
This is so doable.
And we can have all this conjecture about what it was, how it was built, and it's like, but maybe if we just go in there and look, we'll learn something that answers some of these questions.
You know what?
The most interesting things about that void is to me that in the king's chamber, there's apparently those two shafts that go out, right?
Yep.
One of the shafts goes straight, the other one has all these bends that go around that void.
So, if this pyramid was something that was, which is pretty obvious, that they actually had to plan this out a lot to get this thing so precise, that they didn't just like go, oh, we're gonna have, oh, shit, we didn't plan for this void to be here.
Now we got to build these shafts around it.
It's obviously by design, right?
Everything about that thing has to be by design.
Because the mathematics to get it to be as symmetrical as it is all the way to the top, it requires it.
Because if they're off anywhere, it could screw up the whole thing.
It's more square, more perfectly square than any skyscraper in New York City.
Yeah.
And that's the kind of stuff that honestly gets pretty tricky because they measure those skyscrapers with lasers and shit, right?
Right.
Exactly.
They're measured with transits.
I think the skyscrapers can be off square by like 20 to 30, 40 inches.
Chemicals Used in Pyramid Building00:15:31
Yeah.
And what is the Great Pyramid?
Within a half inch.
Within a half fucking inch.
Yeah.
755 feet long at each of its bases.
And not only that, like, so it's like you can, a lot of skyscrapers might face north, south, east, and west.
This is within a degree of accuracy that's more accurate than a lot of our modern buildings that are meant to face the cardinal points, right?
Which is amazing.
You know, it's not perfectly, perfectly, but it's in a few degrees of accuracy, like a super, like a very small level.
It's basically perfect as far as the eye can see.
Yeah.
Or even if you're out there with your own compass, it'd be like.
And that's, well, you got to look at it too, that you're, dealing with atmospheric refraction.
All these measurements will be taken at dawn.
When the sun's just rising and the Nile River, you're going to have all this fucking fog and shit.
So your measurement is going to have some fog.
And every time they took a measurement off the sun.
So when they do their archaeoastronomy work, that's one of the things they always take into account is how far, sorry, how far the, make me think about how far I'm from Mike, how far away they are from the river and how easily they can see things down there because there's a lot of, you know, the closer you get to the Nile River at dawn, man, the foggier the air is, harder it is to see the sun.
You know what, my favorite theory about the pyramids?
What is that?
Have you heard of Land of Chem?
Yes, Jeff.
Dude, I think that guy is spot on with his theory.
I think it is the most reasonable.
I love Chris Dunn's theory, the solid state electron harvester.
I think it's fantastic, it's sensational.
But what I like about Jeff's theory, Jeff, what I like about his theory is that it's not, it's kind of a boring theory.
But it also makes so much fucking sense because he went in, like the way he describes how that Nazi scientist, Fritz, I think his last name was, who went and basically recreated that ammonia production thing, the device that creates ammonia.
And he reverse engineered the inside of the, I think it's the step pyramid.
And that's what his hypothesis is the step pyramid was creating ammonia.
And he created a device that completely.
Replicates the inside of the step pyramid that creates ammonia.
This Nazi guy who was studying the pyramids.
And then he thinks that the red pyramid was using the chemical that was coming out of the step pyramid to create.
I can't remember all the names of the chemicals.
I get so confused, but the chemistry stuff gets confusing when you start to get deep into it.
But essentially, he thinks that the pyramids were responsible for fertilization and agriculture on the Giza Plateau.
Yeah, and that's an interesting one.
I've had him on the channel once.
Jeffrey Drum.
That's his last name, Drum.
And to be fair, when I said that Christopher Dunn is the one that I identify most, I haven't done a deep dive on Land of Chem's theory.
I figured that next time I go to Giza, I'd link up with him personally and do it, like get right from him.
So I can't say that to, you know, when I say about Christopher Dunn, that's not taking anything away from Land of Chem because I'm not, I can't speak to his theory.
But now I need to go down that rabbit hole.
So yeah, so he thinks that the step pyramid was creating methane gas, which methane gas is used for like heating, lighting, and metallurgy.
So, they could have been using this gas for so many different things.
And the methane gas in the step pyramid was then harnessed in the red pyramid to create the ammonia.
And I guess there's all kinds of other explanations that he gives for the ammonia.
This is my favorite part.
What?
Well, Land of Kim was the original name of Egypt.
And Kim has its base in alchemy, which is where we get chemistry.
Yep.
And they were known for their, the land of Kim was black.
Yep.
They refer to this fertile.
Yep.
Yep.
And the soil off the Nile.
And yeah, a lot of people don't realize that Kemet was the original name for Egypt before they called it Egypt.
You know, that was the original name.
And they called it the Chemicians.
Oh, yeah.
Chematology, like Yusuf Awiyan.
And that's the thing a lot of people don't realize.
Like that was the Egyptians themselves today, the local populace refers to the Chemicians as building the pyramids.
That was something that floored me when I was there.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a lot of the locals there don't think that it was for a tomb.
I was surprised to see that as well.
A lot of them think it was just something.
Amazing beyond our understanding.
So, he was, when he was in here, he was also explaining to me how there's this layer of like, there's this chemical layer that's calcified itself on the inside of the chambers in the step pyramid, the red pyramid, and even in the great pyramid.
And it's like by design because those chemicals that those pyramids were creating would have eroded the rocks.
So, and the conventional explanation is it's bat shit or like bat piss.
Right.
Which it reeks of in there.
It's so noticeable, it's unreal.
But he also says once you get to the very top, that top chamber in the step pyramid, there's three of them, right?
And they all kind of look like the grand gallery, how they kind of angle up.
They get smaller as they go up.
He says when they were pushing water into that, into those chambers, it was pushing the gas up into the top of the chamber, compressing the gas, which heats the gas up, right?
And that's what created that chemical reaction into ammonia.
And then he also thinks that.
It was a similar process in the Great Pyramid, but the Great Pyramid, I think he believes, was creating sulfuric acid.
And somehow the other two pyramids were used.
I have to watch that podcast again, but it was fascinating.
It was really compelling the way he explained that.
Well, here's something that goes along those lines.
I met this gentleman when I was in Egypt on the tour that I was on.
He's a president of an air compressor company in Canada.
And that's what he was saying.
He was like, This reminds me of an air compressor, like the internal structure and layout.
He said that, like, the way it's designed, you could have you could support enormous amounts of pressure in there, yeah.
Um, and that was not in the context of anything from Land of Chem.
This was really this was like four years ago.
I don't think Land of Chem was making videos at that time.
This is before, yeah, that.
And so, like, that was his just his intuitive thoughts on it.
He was like, This seems like an air like something for you know compression.
And I'm like, That's interesting, but I never pieced the dots on that, yeah, man.
And then there's like also on some of those pyramids, there's these, there's like these underground channels that they, the conventional explanation is it was for rainwater, to collect rainwater.
And there's these conduits that go underground that connect from the pyramids and they come out into these collection bowls.
I don't know if you've seen the collect, you've been there, right?
Yeah.
There's these big collection bowls that, like, why would they be collecting rainwater?
Yeah.
And he thinks it was part of like the chemical collection process or something they were doing.
So they're just for ceremonies.
Yeah, right.
Come on now.
It's religious.
Just, drop it.
That's what they say about everything out there.
The the part of Jeff's hypothesis that I found the most interesting of course it's the most mundane, so it has the most chance, in my opinion, of being accurate was uh they, that they would build things to get zapped with lightning because it charges the ground to make for better harvests.
That's something that um that, that's something that the ancients would have would very easily have been able to notice.
You know, the lightning striking the ground is the kind of thing you are gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna talk about man and, and if it starts Farming better there, you're going to notice that.
And so that part of it is interesting.
That part is definitely interesting.
The chemical parts of it and stuff are interesting too, don't get me wrong.
Well, it's like sonochemistry, the way he explained it to me in the Great Pyramid.
Like it's like sound resonance.
I mean, there's clearly some sort of resonant frequency happening in that Great Pyramid.
And when you mix that with chemistry, apparently that's a real thing.
Yeah, it is.
It needs more testing.
Same as the digging in the ground and everything else.
It would need more testing.
But the first part, that.
Part of it in particular was I would have had him on and I was listening to him.
Like, okay, man, that's that's a nice foundation, a good starting point for this because I, I, it's not too out there, man.
It's not out there at all.
Yeah.
You know, what's far more out there is suggesting that it was a tomb for the pharaohs.
They've never, they have never found, never mind, they never found a mummy in any Egyptian pyramid ever because you can say, oh, they looted it.
Okay, fine.
Um, never mind that there's no glyphs on any of the walls.
Uh, you know, like you'll find it every single other known Egyptian tomb, it is floor to ceiling in glyphs.
Amazing.
Artwork that shows the depiction of their lives and in the internal structure and layout.
A lot of people that haven't been or are not familiar with the mapping of the Great Pyramid, as an example, would think that it's a maze to hide the Pharaoh.
It's going to be complicated.
No, you just go down, you go up, and you're in there.
It's a straight shot.
It's bizarre.
But when you look at it from a side angle of the map, it is absolutely just confusing.
It doesn't feel like a tomb at all.
Right.
That's, you know, and perhaps it could have been used as a tomb later on.
But if I had my best guess, is that it just simply was not designed with the purpose of being a tomb.
I really don't think so.
I can't, I don't know that for a fact.
And anyone that says otherwise, you know, it's like nobody really knows.
And that's kind of the fun part about this.
But it's like, that's just not my impression.
And I went to Egypt with people that were very skeptical of the alternative theories.
They're like, surely this was a tomb.
And there were multiple people that said, I'm not so sure about that now.
Like after walking through it, they're like, this is weird.
So, the mystery is real.
Did you ever go in the subterranean chamber?
Yes.
What was that like?
Really creepy.
It's like 100 feet underground and it's dark.
Without light, it would be just cave black.
You have to crawl through dirt through a tight little shaft just to get into it.
And when you're in there, it's just quiet.
And it's just the very chamber itself looks so eroded.
It's weird.
That was really fun to be in there.
Yeah.
That was, I don't think I could do that.
I'd be too claustrophobic.
But, like, that's just fuck.
If you try, if you're trying to explain that thing, that place being a pharaonic burial site or a tomb, how do you explain that subterranean chamber that it's like almost impossible for anyone to get down?
And then you have that weird little shaft at the end of it on like the south side, I think, that goes nowhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It doesn't empty.
There's a lot of, there's a lot of hydraulic mechanistic machine.
I don't know, man.
It's just, it's mind blowing.
What is funny is how many people will try to deny any sort of mystery with it, when they just try to be like tomb and tomb alone.
Yeah.
That attitude.
Ropes and pulleys.
I mean, when even the Egyptologists can't agree on exactly how it was made.
It's like when they can we not have a little bit of speculation and have a conversation, but instead they turn it into this fight.
It has to be a battleground.
That's really where I that really blew my mind sticking my nose in here.
Like I was I watched some debunking videos and stuff, but I had no idea how attached to politics a lot of this was going to end up being.
That's that part really, really hurts my head.
It's like, come on, man, what in the actual fuck politically do the big rocks the ancient Egyptians have to do with today?
Seriously, I please enlighten me.
I'm lost on that one.
Well, yeah, I want to get to that.
But another thing I wanted to talk about was Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem's theory on how those chemicals were also potentially used.
And this is also one of my favorite theories to explain the scoop marks in the Serapium boxes, right?
Or even the scoop marks under that stone of the pregnant lady.
Yeah.
Or the Aswan Quarry with all the scoops with the obelisk.
Right.
So maybe it was some sort of like, or even when you see those giant saw blades that Ben shows pictures of, those giant saw, like, it looks like a massive circular saw.
Cut this granite, right?
Maybe that they were using some sort of chemical slurry to soften that stone and cut through it.
Or, like, for in the Serapium, if they cracked it or whatever, they could have used that to scoop it out.
I think that makes a ton of sense.
I'm very open to stone softening, especially in Peru.
Egypt, it's hard to say, but what I witnessed in Peru surprised me.
Like, everything, the stones look like they were marshmallowed together.
And that's what the legends say there.
They say that there was a certain, I've heard two different things.
One, that there was a bird that would nest on cliffs that would use its saliva to like essentially melt the stone, or not melt, but like carve away the stone.
It would like have an acidic property to it.
Then I also have heard that it was actually a plant.
But whatever it was, the legends going back in Peru say that there was something they used to soften the stone.
And then when I was in Cusco, as well as in Saxehuaman in Cusco, when I put my hands between the stone that had essentially been moved through, you know, time and earthquakes and whatever, it was, it was, As smooth as smooth gets, it was as if the stones had literally been pushed together and marshmalled together.
It wasn't, I was expecting to feel like a saw blade in there.
No, it was totally smooth.
And I'm like, and when you look at it, it bulges on the sides of it.
Right.
Honestly, so weird.
I'm very open minded that those stones had been softened.
What confuses me in Egypt is that when I look at the 1,000 ton Ramessium statue, I'm like, I'm not so sure that that was involving stone softening.
And I have seen other marks of saw, evidence of.
Stones that had been cut throughout Egypt with the granite.
So I don't know what to think as far as like the geopolymer narrative goes.
Well, geopolymer is a little different, right?
Geopolymer is like concrete.
Yeah, casting.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
And that's like the bitten to the new crave I'm seeing a lot of things of.
But when Peru, I'm like, there's something there.
Like that stuff is bizarre.
Even when I asked Ed Barnhart, I asked him, I'm like, if you could take a time machine and go anywhere in history to see one thing, what would it be?
He's like, I want to see how they fucking built those megalithic structures.
He's like, I don't think the conventional explanation.
Makes sense.
I love it.
I love it.
And it is bizarre, like with those polygonal stones found on five continents around the world.
And, you know, some people say, well, that's just basic human ingenuity.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I don't know about that.
And there's stones there that like, so they're going to say that it was done with bronze chisels or stone hammers.
And I'm like, when you look at the sophistication of these stones, how they're perfectly, you know, flush with each other, I'm like, that was not done with a stone hammer.
Not on that, not on granite.
Well, Garcilaso de la Vega, who was descended of an Inca noblewoman and a Spanish conquistador, is considered one of the best sources from those days, right?
Best contemporary source from the.
Post colonial days of the Inca, and he talks about the legend of them moving one of the big rocks in Cusco and it falling off of a precipice and killing like 3,000 people.
It took like 40,000 or 30,000 people to move the stone.
It what he describes is basically unreal, yeah.
It's like when you read it, you're just like, okay, this didn't happen, right?
It was ultimately a failure, as he described it, right?
And he describes it as a failure, yes, which is something that you find a lot.
It's a very interesting little tidbit that you see in a lot of South American legends.
Like there's the one that's just the legend of name lap, it's not even that complicated.
There's a short lived.
in history, in the historical timeline.
It's a short-lived little culture called NameLap.
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They had a temple, a couple of pyramids, and they had an idol.
According to their legend, they showed up via boat with this idol.
They were able to move the idol.
They put it inside of a pyramid.
Then one of their descendants of their king, after a few generations, wants to move the idol, but he's incapable of doing so.
And there's more of the story, but that's my point there, is you see this kind of thing happen a lot in South America where these little stories of my ancestors moved this big ass rock, and I try to do it and fail miserably.
And it's catastrophically in the same case with Name Lab.
It doesn't fall and kill 3,000 people.
The Keen ends up screwing a demon, and it causes a flood that kills his people.
But anyway, same thing.
It's catastrophic.
But yeah, it's just interesting.
You see these stories pop up a lot in South America where it's like there seems to have been a tradition of the people before us could move bigger rocks than us now.
Which is wild.
Because, like, If you go back to Egypt, the most impressive pyramids are the oldest ones and they get shittier as time goes on.
A lot of people aren't aware that there's approximately 118 pyramids in all of Egypt.
The ones of Giza get all the attention.
But there are hundreds that are just, they're like made of mud bricks.
They get crappier as time goes on.
Right.
And nowhere near the sophistication of the, of the, uh, the example.
Old dynasty.
What is that one?
The old kingdom.
Oh, no.
Yeah, look at that.
Yeah, that's crazy.
A crap box.
Yeah.
Well, it's the same thing in South America.
Okay, that's the fifth dynasty.
Yeah.
Not very long, not much.
Later at all.
Yeah, there's a lot of shitty pyramids in South America too, a lot of which are thought to have been like ancient landfills.
You know, like they were building pyramids for multiple reasons.
They didn't just have to be to communicate with the gods and sacrifice babies.
Yeah, like look at this.
And the other one above the pyramid of Harara, look at that.
That doesn't even look like a pyramid.
No, it's mud brick.
When you look closer, it's a bunch of mud bricks.
Yeah, man.
Why the hell won't, why do you think they won't?
Look into that void in the pyramid.
Well, the number one explanation is they just don't want to damage the pyramid.
And I appreciate that.
However, they've already drilled the fuck out of it.
They used tons of dynamite to blow their way in 150 years ago.
Right.
And like the reality is that they could do a small little diameter, they could drill it.
Just like they did with the gate and bricks door, right?
They drilled a little hole through that door to see what was behind it.
Right.
And so it's like the fact that it's been seven years, it just, I don't, to me, if I was running the show out there, isn't that like a number one priority?
It's like, oh, we've discovered a void.
Now, let's go in and figure it out.
And the fact that it's been seven years since really confused.
I just, there's no feasible explanation that makes sense to me.
I'm like, especially with how much conjecture there is about how the pyramid was built or whether it was a tomb for the pharaohs.
I just can't wrap my head around how we haven't done it all yet.
Is it maybe because there's too much?
There's too much stone in between the.
Where would they start?
Would they start from the outside?
I think they'd go from the top of the Grand Gallery.
The top of the Grand Gallery?
I'm not sure.
They would probably be, they might even be able to slip.
Steve, can you find a.
Partially through the courses and stuff from the outside without the casing stones there.
I mean, I'm not sure.
You have to look at that.
Look at it with different possible areas of attack.
But yeah, I don't see it being that invasive.
I don't see any way it could be that invasive.
And they could just patch up that hole when they're done.
Steve, find the schematics of the Great Pyramid.
Type in map.
There you go.
Map.
Use Muon if you want to find the.
Muon?
Yeah, Muon is the particles that they use to find the.
Yep.
What was it?
Just type in Great Pyramid.
I thought this was like some sort of satellite.
Thing they use to find this.
It's basically this thing that launches these solar particles.
Type in void.
Yeah.
Oh, it kind of shows it there, but it's kind of small.
I'll find it.
What is the actual name for it?
It's like scan pyramid.
Yeah, like that works.
There you go.
Click that and freaking blow that up.
Yeah.
It's crazy that that thing's the size of a jumbo jet.
Yeah.
It's something like 140 or 150 feet long.
And I'm not exactly sure how tall.
They don't know exact measurements, but they think it's rectangular, but it's, it's, They don't know for sure.
Yeah.
And it had to have had a purpose.
Certainly.
Now, some people say, oh, well, maybe it's just for construction.
You know, it was how they hauled the stones up a ramp or something like that.
And that's feasible as well.
But the reality is like, okay, well, let's go in and take a peek.
And then maybe we'll look at it and be like, aha, okay, this answers some questions.
I don't, I mean, if anything, it's probably, if my best guess is that it's a second so called grand gallery.
I say so called because I don't think the king's chamber was a king's chamber.
I don't think the grand gallery was this gallery that, Oh, we walked up to ascend to the tomb to say goodbye to the Pharaoh after having a wonderful life.
Nah.
Whatever it was, though, you can infer that maybe it was a second grand gallery.
Now, what's the purpose of the grand gallery?
Some people have suggested it's for hauling up the stones in the first place.
There's a lot of conjecture.
Nobody knows.
Nobody knows.
That's the beauty of the whole thing.
But how the hell have they not gone looking yet?
I really struggled with it.
It looks like it would be easiest to go through the king's chamber to get to that thing.
Or the grand gallery.
Definitely not from the outside.
It looks like a lot of space from the outside.
Right.
Hundreds of feet.
Um, that's the wild thing.
So, when you, when you, a lot of people don't understand just how big the Great Pyramid is.
When it had its capstone, it was the height of a 47 story building, which would dominate the skyline in most cities, uh, you know, even around the world.
Um, but when you stand at its base, because it's 755 feet wide at all four bases, that means that it's over 100 meters from the base to the center of the pyramid.
Wow.
So, when you're looking at it from the bottom, you can't really see the top because it just keeps going and going and going.
It just kind of, yeah.
That's bizarre.
Huge.
You need to see it in person because when you walk up to it, you keep walking and getting, and you feel like you're getting closer.
And it's like, it's not until you get close that you realize, like, oh my God.
Like, this thing is, I call it stupid big.
Like, they could have made it half the size and still blown people's minds.
Right.
It's so stupid big that, like, well, they were just trying to be impressive and stuff.
I'm like, they could have made it smaller and impressed everybody.
Right.
When you go there, have you been there?
I haven't.
I want to go, but I haven't been able to.
I heard.
Through the people that have been on the show, that the best way to go there is to get that dude Yusuf to take you around.
I've heard he's like got all the.
I've done all three times with him.
Oh, really?
He has the connections.
He grew up in Egypt right across the street from the Sphinx.
His father, the late Akeem Abdel Awian, was an ancient wisdom keeper that taught chemistology.
His name's Yusuf Awian?
Yep.
Okay.
Shout out, Yusuf.
Yeah.
He's with the Chemist School of Ancient Mysticism.
He's a total sweetheart.
He's a very nice guy.
And it's very apparent when you travel with him that you see the respect he has from the people that work the sites, the guards and whatnot.
He's very generous.
So he tips his way to get all the things you want.
I don't know if I should say that or not, but it's all right.
This is the rally in Egypt.
This is no secret.
Everyone tips.
Yeah, you can grease somebody to get a private couple minutes in the king's chamber.
I have done it.
And that's how it works.
And it's the Egyptian government and the antiquities, they're not doing anything to stop it.
They know what's going on.
It's okay.
How many people are going on their honeymoon and greasing the guy to go fuck their wife in the king's chamber?
I was going to say, I'm waiting for the sound clip to come from this where Jimmy Corsetti admits to greasing.
People to fuck them in the Great Pyramid.
I've had sex in the Great Pyramid so many times.
Jimmy Corsetti's ancient sex ritual rituals.
I'm launching my OnlyFans inside the Great Pyramid this summer.
We only do it on swastika.
Oh my God, bro.
Could you imagine?
Nazi YouTuber has sex in the Great Pyramid.
Let's go, guys.
I'll get the headlines.
There's good photos of people fucking on top of the pyramid.
Yeah, that's hilarious.
Yeah, that German couple or that friend that made it from France, that really caused an uproar in Egypt's ass.
Oh, I bet.
That's pretty fucking cool, man.
Yeah, that's legendary.
That's my high club and a half right there.
I'd do it, you know.
Hey, babe, you want to go on top of the great pyramid of Egypt?
Legend.
Also, that view from up there is pretty incredible.
Yeah.
That just gives you a pretty good perspective of how enormous those things are.
And that's another thing I told to Jeffrey too when he was in here.
I was like, I was like, God, your theory makes so much sense.
But like, what really breaks my brain is that when you look at those monumental, enormous.
Symbolic structures on the landscape of Giza.
My brain wants to think that there are these giant electricity machines that were powering the society with free energy.
Wireless, baby.
I don't want to think it had to do with agriculture.
You know what I mean?
Right, right.
And I don't think so.
But it's Occam's razor.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like Occam's razor, where it's the most, I think, mundane, reasonable explanation.
And that might be it.
That might be it.
You know?
What I don't think, though, is are you referring to tomb for the pharaohs or for just agriculture?
I was referring to his agriculture theory.
Yeah.
And that makes far more sense than tomb, you know?
So, yeah, I love it.
It's such a fun controversy, you know, a fun thing to debate.
It's just that I tell people, like, go travel to Egypt and think for yourself, walk through the Great Pyramid and see if you really feel like that's a tomb.
And then go visit the Valley of the Kings, as well as the Mastabas.
So, the whole complex of Giza being a funerary complex, the buildings are called Mastabas.
And go look through those, you know, known burials.
And it's like, oh, This makes sense.
It's totally a tomb.
I get it.
And then you walk in the pyramid, and I remember standing in line there the last time I was there.
I didn't do it with a tour.
And so there was this other tourist there.
And I remember hearing this girl say, She's like, This is a tomb?
Like, with total doubt.
Yeah.
And it's like, when you walk through it, it's like, it just doesn't have that vibe.
And there was, again, when I visited there, there were people that went into it thinking it was a tomb.
And then at the end of it, they're like, They had doubts.
They're like, I don't know about that.
And that was after having gone in the Valley of the Kings.
Oh, wow.
But even if it was like, like I talk about being part of a funerary complex, like with my idea earlier, like the three stars being laid out in the pattern of Orion's belt, Osiris was Orion to the Egyptians, and that was the god that brought you through the underworld back to the other side, right?
So it would make sense.
But even if it was, it would make sense they would put that there, and Dills 3 would be part of a resurrection ritual potentially.
But even if that was the case, I don't think it was made for any one individual pharaoh.
History for Granite, actually, if you guys know who he is on YouTube, he does a lot of in depth deep dives.
What is he again?
History for Granite.
Okay.
He does a lot of deep dives into the pyramid in ancient Egypt itself.
And one of the things that he points out is the portcullis doors are set up in a manner that they are designed to be opened and closed again.
They're not designed to be dropped and placed there permanently.
They're designed to be revisited.
And it's almost like this might have been a spot that people, all three of those pyramids potentially could have been a place where it was.
You would stop.
The pharaoh dies.
We do this, do this, do this.
This is part of the ceremony.
And that would explain why when we did crack open the one sarcophagus that was in, I forget which pyramid, the one sarcophagus they found still sealed in the pyramid, when they opened it, it was fucking empty.
Which is bizarre.
But it wouldn't be so bizarre if they were all symbolic.
You just bring the pharaoh in here and sprinkle him around a little bit, set him next to the sarcophagus, and then take him out after a month.
This is just step one of, and if you look at their theories or their legends, excuse me, They have like 42 gates to go through, depending on what time that you're looking at the dynasty.
They have all these different ideas about how many gates you had to go through, how many stations you had to go through, the wane of the heart, and all that shit.
Wouldn't be outside of the realm of possibility for them to emulate that on the ground.
The pyramids were 100% tombs.
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Oh, yeah.
And anyone that disagrees is a Nazi.
It's very clear.
Yes, exactly.
It is kind of funny, actually, how you can't have that discussion with some people.
I mean, we've all got people like to, to, give the archaeologist a little bit of a fair shake here.
We've all got people in our comment section that are on the other side of things, that are like certain that their theory is right and they'll come in there and be like you're a idiot.
Look man, all you got to do is watch this one video, go read this one article and you'll know everything you need to know.
So it's not like it's just the debunkers, the skeptics, that have that attitude right but me that they seem to be the worst about it, and they're certainly the ones that stand between guys like us and actually getting into that hidden chamber.
Yeah right, and so that's uh like, and some of the attitudes like some of these people um, Like when you were asking about Gobekli Tepe and you started bringing that up, and John Hoops, the archaeologist that has made a career basically of attacking Graham Hancock, he went out of his post that was like, as far as I'm concerned, they can encase the Gobekli Tepe in concrete.
We've got enough to keep all of the.
He said that?
Yeah.
It's in writing.
It's on the website.
It's a tweet.
And he wasn't, I wanted to believe he was joking, but like, nah.
He even says, though, they could use a visitor center like they do the Lissot caves.
It's like he fucking straight up.
He's just, and even if that's not where he's standing, even if that's not his position, it's, if it's hyperbole, the fact of the matter is this in this PR discussion about what to do with Gobekli Tepe, we have Jimmy Corsetti, aka the Nazi, aka the fucking pseudoscientist.
The pseudo-archaeologist.
Yes.
The nut job, the conspiracy theorist versus the tenured scientist.
It's an educator.
I studied at Yale and Harvard, sir.
Doesn't that guy have special permission to like edit Wikipedia articles?
Well, it's not special permission, but he's been doing it for so long that he's just in.
Charge of a lot of people.
He controls locked accounts.
Like, I can't.
How the fuck does anyone get access to do that?
It's a good question.
I think eventually, I think what they end up doing, I could be wrong.
I think what happens is you end up kind of consistently getting other people to moderate because there's Wikipedia moderators.
So eventually you work your way up into being the Reddit mod of Wikipedia.
Well, now it's your fucking Reddit page, right?
I was reading something on, I think, I can't remember who, on one of your guys' tweets where it was saying that John Hoops on his Wikipedia said he encourages his students to do the same thing.
He teaches them that.
He says it's actually part of his curriculum, which is crazy.
Fucking insane, man.
This is a guy that he got his undergrad, I believe, from Harvard and his PhD from Yale, or it's vice versa, but he studied at both.
So that's supposed to be very prestigious.
And he's gone on to be so toxic.
Like you said, he made a career out of just attacking Graham Hancock.
And let's be real clear there with that tweet that I'm talking about, we have Jimmy Corsetti saying, go do some fucking archaeology.
And we have an archaeologist going, nah, nah, fuck you.
I don't like Jimmy.
I don't want to do the archaeology.
And it's the same thing with so many.
Look at Danny Hillman, Nadi with Jaja's work, got attacked because of its association with Graham Hancock, right?
If it hadn't been for that, we wouldn't have had a retraction.
All that shit with the Ganung Padang, right?
That's the guy who did Ganung Padang.
It's the same kind of thing.
It's just like your association with the wrong people.
Encase it in concrete.
And you know, the thing is, is that all I'm doing is advocating for further study and excavation.
I'm trying to give these people jobs.
So they talk like Jimmy Corsetti hates archaeologists.
They say this, and I'm like, no, I don't.
That's what?
No, that's ridiculous.
And I'm trying to give you guys jobs here.
If I was like, you know, king of the world, I would be signing, you know, I'd be flicking my wrist to be like, okay, you guys now have jobs.
I'd give it to all of them.
Like, just dig these sites up and let's all learn together.
This is a win win for everybody.
And I never realized I would get as much backlash as I have.
Like, this happened way before the swastika thing.
That was like, that was just icing on the cake.
For a couple of years before that, they were coming after me hard.
And I had never done anything to them.
Flint Dibble and John Hoops had preemptively blocked me before I had any type of correspondence with them at all.
I had never spoken about them negatively, nothing.
And I was blocked.
And I'm like, what?
Like, I don't understand it.
And so it's just been a war ever since.
And it really got, it escalated after season one of Ancient Apocalypse.
With Graham Hancock, that they were preemptively telling people not to watch it.
They were telling people to give it a thumbs down before it ever even aired.
So, before, let me just clarify that.
Before it aired, they say that once it does air, hit thumbs down on it.
And I'm like, you haven't even seen it.
And I'm like, you're just trying to destroy that.
And even with other people like Mini Minuteman, who I have nothing against personally, his name's Milo Rossi.
He has a channel called Mini Minuteman.
It has over 2 million subs.
And he's more along the academic mainstream side.
For example, he had done a whole expose on.
Debunking Graham Hancock.
He said, I watched Ancient Apocalypse, so you don't have to.
That's the title of the series.
And he got many millions of views.
Oh, I have heard of this guy.
Yeah.
And, you know, he's a young gentleman.
And I think highly of him.
Him and I disagree on a lot of things, but I like his spirit.
He's highly engaging.
Yeah.
He'd be somebody to bring on this podcast.
Like, you know, talk to him.
You know, I like him, even though I don't think he likes me.
I don't think he no longer likes Dan.
Yeah.
Me and him used to get along well, but the whole Flint Dibble debacle and.
So the thing about Flint Dibble is so interesting to me.
Right.
Like the YouTube comments are such a fascinating thing.
It's wild.
It is incredible.
Some people hate them.
Some people love them.
I think they're super fascinating because a lot of times if there are, there's an overwhelming opinion in the YouTube comments, there can be a lot of truth to it.
I see it in my own videos.
But also another thing that's true at the same time is there's a pylon effect on YouTube where some people.
Where there's all these comments saying the same thing.
Somebody doesn't want to come in and who thinks differently and state that they think differently and just get attacked.
They want to go with the flow, what everyone else is saying.
There's like this weird thing.
And when the Flint Dibble Graham debate happened, I watched that.
Before reading any comments, I listened to it.
I was like, wow.
I was like, Flint is compelling.
Like, Flint, I was like, wow, he bodybagged Graham.
Like, that was my gut reaction to it.
I'm like, he was fucking taking things that Graham was saying.
He was finishing Graham's sentences.
He was filling in the gaps, giving context to shit Graham was saying.
And then I felt like Graham was like, On his heels the whole time, then trying to come at him with the anti Semitism.
He was saying that Graham was like a white supremacist, accusing him of being a Nazi, which I think that's completely shitty of him.
I hate that.
Um, but like I felt like he didn't have the evidence or the knowledge to basically combat what Flint was providing the evidence that Flint was providing.
Then I read the comments and I was like, Oh, am I retarded?
Am I seeing something that no one else is seeing?
Like, what's going on here?
And then when I had Flint on.
The amount of backlash that I got from having Flint on was unbelievable.
I saw that and I didn't like that because I'm like, props to you for bringing him on.
Like, Flint and I think very differently.
And in fact, I think Flint hates me.
I don't hate Flint.
But like, props to you for bringing him on.
Because yeah, you got like all kinds of backlash for that.
And it's like, we have a, what was that, our Discord, Steve?
Discord moderator.
Oh, we have a guy who created our Discord, right?
Who like did it.
We didn't pay him or anything.
He did this like for free to help us out because I guess he was a fan of the show.
And then he built this crazy Discord thing for our Patreon community.
Which was great.
And then when we released that Gram or that Flint Dibble podcast, he went and like basically deleted everything.
He like wiped out our whole Discord and then left.
Oh, wow.
That's how passionate these people are about this stuff.
That shit's crazy to me.
It's almost a religion, actually.
It is like a religion, man.
It really is.
Yeah.
I will say this about that debate.
I bet you have a lot to say.
My impression of it is that they didn't, Flint did not facilitate what I would consider to be an entertaining conversation to the mysteries.
For example, they started talking about.
Yonaguni, the so called underwater monument off the coast of an island from Japan.
And you are familiar with this?
It looks like steps underwater.
Yeah, yeah.
I remember it from the podcast.
So that one is, I consider it an enigma.
I think that it was man made of some kind.
And if that's the case, it would have happened at least 12,000 years ago was the last time the site was above water.
It doesn't look, and the reason why I think that it's not natural, and I've repeatedly asked for it, I've even gone and asked Robert Schock and said, if this is natural, then okay, show me just one.
Other site from anywhere else on earth that even looks remotely comparable to this.
It's been nothing but cricket since.
But circling back to when they were having the conversation on Rogan, Graham brings it up.
It was going to be a whole topic of conversation.
Flint's like, this is just natural, the end.
And like the conversation just moved right on.
And I'm like, hold on a second.
There's more to discuss there.
So, Flint, you know, I want to hear Danny's or Dan's thoughts on this because like that's a, that's no one has dived into this more than you.
And then, Flint, there was a part when they were discussing that, those underwater structures where I think even Rogan was looking at it and he was, I think he was like, Compelled by Flint's description of it being natural.
Even Rogan was like, Yeah, this looks natural.
Like, Graham, explain this.
I don't remember it that way, but you could be right.
In places, the Onaguni does look like it may well be natural.
I mean, to play devil's advocate, if it did sink 12,000 years ago underwater, it's been underwater for 12,000 fucking years, man.
It's going to have some natural looking shit, right?
Sure.
But to weigh in on what Jim was pointing out with that, Flint was not just dismissive of it.
Of the same thing was when they talked about Ganong Padang and they were talking about the potential artifacts, the Kajong Stone, and Flint just laughed at it.
Yeah.
Literally laughed, and it's like, okay, ma'am.
I talked about this before.
Carl Sagan was a great science communicator, and the reason one of the reasons he was because he knew who his audience was his audience was interested amateurs, and interested amateurs didn't come in there because they wanted to know the spectrometry of a star, they wanted to know about aliens and shit.
Right?
So, there's a lot of arrogance that goes into some of these scholars.
So, when you come in and somebody asks about this site that is Yonaguni, an underwater monument, and you're just Well, what you have effectively done is not only have you dismissed this interested amateur, but you've left the vacuum open for Jim, for me, for Graham, to be the one that fucking says, hey, this is what Yonaguni is.
And then they cry about it afterwards and say, well, why does nobody like real archaeology?
Well, because you deliberately made it fucking boring.
You wear an Indiana Jones hat because you know that Indiana Jones was the reason you started getting into this shit.
You know it's what's interesting.
You know it's what's fun.
But you don't want to look for no lost arc of the covenant.
Yeah, even I got Flint to admit on this podcast when he came in here, I think it was toward the front of the podcast, that a lot of his people that he works with in archaeology got into archaeology because of Graham Hancock.
And now he says that they don't believe what he says, whatever.
But going back to the Flint conversation with Graham, I thought Flint did such a good job, not Monday morning quarterbacking it.
I know a lot of the stuff that he said was actually wrong.
Whether he said it, whether he lied intentionally, or whether he was just trying to win, quote unquote, win the debate, which I don't think makes sense in the debate.
It's not supposed to be an MMA fight.
It's supposed to be.
Something for people to learn.
It's subjective, right?
Everything, how it should be.
It's all of it's like who you think won or whatever, that's completely subjective.
And I learned a lot from it.
But like when you go on Twitter and you subtweet everything Graham says about like, Graham, you fucking lost.
Look how much I killed Graham in this debate.
That's not a good look.
You're shooting yourself in the foot by doing that.
Well, it also betrays the, there's a couple of things that betray the mentality going into it.
I have a hard time with the maybe he didn't lie because as you said, he's finishing Graham's sentences.
He was fucking prepared.
Yes, when he's putting the wrong slide on the screen, that's not, man, that's not, that's not a mistake, bro.
That's not, that's not, that's not something you can just say, oh, sorry, man, I handed you the wrong piece of paper here.
He fucking, you've been preparing that one a long time.
So there's a lot of that to begin with.
But also in addition to that, that whole afterwards he posts the video right away talking about, oh, I'm feeling good.
I kicked Graham's ass.
Oh, check out this meme people.
Okay.
Like, come on.
If you really, if you really did that good, let the people talk.
For you, you don't have to be the one pounding your chest.
Do you think that he had what do you think that mentality just immediately sprang into his brain after the debate was over?
No, that thing was fostered there, it's been there all his life.
Yeah, I don't think he went into that with an open mind.
I think he went into it, uh, to be combative.
And to be honest with you, I felt like that podcast, like to have a debate that's engaging for the audience, I look at it like a dance.
You need a good dance partner.
If you're a good dancer, you need a good dance partner.
And I feel like it didn't do Graham Hancock's three decades of work justice, and that he has shared.
Numerous legitimate mysteries about ancient civilizations.
And that debate did not allow that to be showcased.
I felt like there was just so many times that Flint had just scoffed off certain things through some giggling and some laughs that didn't allow the true mysteries that Graham Hancock has shown to the world for so many decades to flourish.
I thought Graham did the best he could.
And in my mind, I thought he won because in my mind, I'm thinking like these mysteries of ancient civilizations have not been addressed.
The mystery is still there.
The part that bothered me the most, though.
It's one thing to misrepresent certain data or whatever on things that people have said that he lied about.
The part that bothered me the most was that he tried to portray that he hadn't associated Graham with white supremacy.
They brought up an article, and Flint said, These aren't my words, but it was actually from an exact tweet of Flint's.
And I ended up putting that on blast.
Yeah, he was doing crazy jujitsu to try to weasel his way out of that one.
Yeah.
And it was, and it's like, nah, like, because he did the same thing to me.
I'm like, he's saying, I didn't say you're white supremacist.
I'm like, it doesn't matter.
You're associating it with, and that's exactly what I'm talking about.
People are reading the headline of those articles and they're taking that from.
They're not going to go down to the fifth paragraph and try to, like, Actually, understand the context.
Most people don't have time to do that.
Like, you know what you're doing there.
And let's be clear.
I mean, as a scientist coming in to weigh in on his field of science or the pseudo version of his field of study, why the fuck are you talking about this political shit?
Why the fuck does that have to do with rocks in the ground and fucking all these metallurgy and all these evidence?
No, no, no.
This is a red herring specifically designed so that when you Google, you see that headline.
It's a scorched earth tactic, 110%.
And the guy's done it to me with other.
Scientists that I've tried to talk to and stuff since then.
Ed Barnhart was the guy I'd like to work with, but I know that some archaeologists have been hounding him and telling him that I'm a bad person, that I shouldn't be spoken with, or whatever.
And I know I've been told by other archaeologists that they want to work with me, but they're afraid to do it because of their career.
So even other YouTubers that aren't archaeologists that are just like, I watched him to the ice core specialist.
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I watched.
Uh, Flint in real time, lie to him, say that Dan believes he's wanting this to prove ancient high technology exists when he knows as well as you guys do that I don't believe in ancient high tech as far as I go.
So it's, um, and he knew that before.
Like, I'm different than Jim.
I got along with John and Flint when I first started making John Dubes, yeah.
I was considered kind of a tolerable conspiracy nut, right?
I'm the one that's he'll at least turn around and he might say that we're wrong about this, but he'll turn around and say they're wrong about that too.
So we'll put up with him.
He's usually following the science, but when I started pointing out that.
When they talk about racism, particularly the letter that they sent to Netflix about Graham Hancock, the Society of American Archaeology, that letter, I started hammering away at the falsehoods and that and how this narrative isn't quite accurate.
You guys are bullshitting things here to make things seem a little different than they are.
What was that letter?
They tried to get Netflix to make the documentary series a science fiction series.
You want it relabeled from documentary?
And they wanted, the big thing there was they said that what I took real umbrance with was they said that.
The idea dated back to Ignatius Donnelly and his books, and then they tried to tie it in with him being, you know, white supremacy type of person.
And the stuff came from before that.
It gets really complicated, but the bottom line is this bullshit.
The guy, Ignatius Donnelly's, his Wikipedia page has fucking his sources on there that were not racist.
Thought the Mayans were the Atlanteans.
They weren't white supremacists at all.
But they skipped that because they can't say, they want to make it look like Atlantis hunting started with white supremacy, and that's how they portrayed it to Netflix.
So when I called them out on it, It was kind of fucking radio silence for about a month, and it was during Christmas time, so I let everybody chill.
But after I started pushing on it and pushing on it and pushing on it, I started making enemies really quickly.
It was like, I'm this is a political thing, clearly, and it had all to do with the science.
And that's when I started losing friends that were archaeologists pretty fast.
And to be clear, in that letter, they associated these theories with dangerous extremism.
Yep, they have those words in there, and you know, far right and other things.
And I'm like, that's going too far.
That's not what this is.
We're talking.
About the mystery, if you click on that blue link there where it says the SAA's letter, you can read the letter itself.
See where it says letter in blue?
It's short and it's short.
This is the article.
Scroll down to the in between two pages and you can read the spicy bit.
Yeah.
The host of this series repeatedly and vigorously dismisses archaeologists and the practice of archaeology with aggressive rhetoric, wildly seeking to cause harm to our membership and our profession in the public eye.
Netflix identifies and advertises the series as a docu-series, a genre that implies its content is grounded in fact.
When the content of the show is based on false claims.
No, it gets worse than this.
I don't understand that.
This is mild.
This is not the.
Keep going.
But further down, it is a documentary.
How is it not a doc?
It's a docuseries.
It is a docuseries.
And really quickly, scroll up for one second again and look at those really fast.
Notice that both of those first two give something away very telling here.
This is complaining about the science, right?
So if they're throwing in these things like racist, white supremacy ideologies.
If they're complaining about the science being wrong, why does it say it vigorously dismisses archaeologists and the press?
See, that's a cop out.
When you're trying to say things like they're threatening Netflix to say, Racist, white supremacist, and it threatens indigenous people.
Okay, now you're holding a gun to Netflix's head, is basically what you're doing.
Because you can't present a reasonable argument.
So you have to throw in these threats, basically, that you're going to be associated with white supremacy, which is the same thing Flint fucking did in here when he came, when we had this great conversation about Atlantis, and he convinced me.
I mean, he did a really good job of convincing me why Atlantis could possibly be bullshit.
And then I asked him about the vases, and he like laughed in my face and he said, I talked about a guy you guys both know, Matt Bell.
Yeah, wonderful guy.
Great guy.
He lives right down the street from here.
You see, if I throw a rock and hit his house right here.
Who buys these vases off the antiquities market?
And I was asking Flynn, like, what do you think about these?
He goes, I can't even be in the same room with one of those because anybody who purchases these things is literally threatening people's lives and they're funding cartels and funding cartel violence by purchasing these things.
So you're dismissing the argument by creating this bullshit excuse why you can't entertain the conversation.
Was he talking about cocaine or vases, man?
I mean, what the fuck are we on about here?
Matt bought those legally.
And, you know, if he wants to make that argument, you could say that there are no greater looters than archaeologists.
Yeah, I could use that same argument as you guys are grave robbers.
You're literally digging up graves and taking it and putting it to other countries.
And, well, let's be very clear.
Any of the vases that have good provenance in a country like the United States will be repatriated.
It's the very fact that Matt is able to purchase those tells you that there's an issue with the Providence, which is why guys like David Miano will pick at the Providence and say, well, we don't know for sure these came from ancient Egypt.
And it's also why Matt, it's funny, they Play both sides of this.
And let me just say on that, people say they'll doubt their authenticity.
I'm like, well, I've been to Egypt, I've been in the museums, and those same vases are in there behind glass.
Same examples.
Yeah, they're right there.
I have pictures.
Well, yeah.
And Matt spends stupid fucking money on these vases.
He's not alone, right?
Adam Young spends stupid money on these vases.
You think that the antiquity dealers that are selling these things are going to be like, oh, you know what?
Fuck this guy.
Fuck all my credibility because I'm going to get 10 grand off this vase.
No.
They ain't going to deal with fakes.
But if they think they're fake, then go to the Cairo Museum where you can see them balancing like on an eggshell.
You know what I'm talking about?
With a real rounded bottom where it's sitting balanced.
It's hard to explain.
It's like an eggshell bottom.
Yeah, yeah.
They don't sit flat.
Look at that little bastard right there.
I have one.
Do you want to grab that little 3D print right there?
I pointed the one right behind you that's 3D printed.
That's a better example.
There you go.
Because it's got the eggshell bottom like you're talking about.
Yep.
And so to the audience, I'm assuming this camera.
I can't even be in the room with that.
Yeah.
You know, it's like, it's amazing.
It's crazy.
And yeah, they have those at the Cairo Museum behind glass.
And they look, it's the same material.
You can see it.
And like, these are the same.
When I handled Matt Bell's.
Look, how can I say that they're authentic?
They're real granite and they're amazing.
I mean, he has certificates of authenticity, but you know, people can just argue that away and say, oh, everything, you know, but I'm like, I have no doubt that they're real.
And it, but the discussion is this how was this a granite piece like this?
Well, this is a 3D, but I'm telling you, like the real life deal.
How was that constructed with the alleged primitive methods with hand tools when they're so symmetrical down to like thousands of an inch and to balance the way they are?
I'm like, how was that done with hand tools?
Like that, you know, that's the real discussion.
And, To say that it was done with stone hammers and bronze chisels.
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Okay, well, if they want to advocate for that, then simply create one with those methods.
This is one thing I keep saying when it comes to the cutting of granite.
I'm like, okay, if you say that these stone boxes were created with stone hammers, as they allege, I'm like, okay, well, then just create one stone box, just one with the alleged primitive methods.
And it says nothing but crickets after that.
Flint was trying to tell me that somebody did do it online, but I remember watching the video.
There's a video on YouTube where people tried to recreate one of those.
I think it took them more than a year.
And it was like completely, yeah, science is perfect.
Yeah, not anywhere near in the realm of what these real ones are.
So, not even, and they still like they'll miss the hard parts.
And it's like, okay, we all accept that granite can be cut with abrasive.
You use a copper tube and abrasive, and you can drill a hole in granite.
I don't think anybody's going to deny that.
So, it's like, yes, you can make the blank of the vase with the fucking whatever.
Great, that's fine.
Now, make it precise.
That's where the rubber meets the road.
And they consistently aren't doing that.
It's honestly, it's kind of embarrassing because, um, as you know, they're trying to do this skeptical debunker thing and they're not even taking the hard part, they're being fucking lazy about it.
And if you're like, if team science is fucking lazy, well, then where does that leave team pseudoscience?
They can fucking run amok, man.
Yeah.
There's so it's really irritating to me because I do value science a lot.
And I think that all in all honesty, we need both sides of that human psyche to fucking find where these things came from.
We're going to have people that look at that and they're going to just like, thousand and one ideas, and then you need other people to bring that back into reality.
Between the two of them, you end up with an answer at some point.
As it is, we have this disconnect and um, when you remove the scientists from the discussion, or they're the skeptics from the discussion, if you end up with well, as I like to bring up a lot.
Einstein famously said that the theory of relativity is almost unrecognizable to me now that the mathematicians have gotten a hold of it.
Right, Einstein?
He writes a theory of relativity And it gets fine tuned, and fine tuned, and fine tuned, and fine tuned, and fine tuned at a thousand different scales.
He's got this idea that's generally accurate, and then it just gets beat into actual science.
But it didn't start there.
And not that he was a pseudoscientist, but he was more of a dreamer than the really hardcore number crunchers that followed in his wake.
And it takes fucking both, man.
That's all I'm getting at.
And we're really eliminating half of it right now.
They've eliminated themselves from the conversation.
They won't be like Carl Sagan and say, let's talk about aliens.
Pat us on the head if you need to, whatever.
sit down and fucking talk to us.
They won't do that.
They're just going to look at us down their nose.
And so.
Yeah.
And then another thing they do is they try to, and I don't understand this argument, but they try to say that saying that the Egyptians didn't build the pyramids like racist to Egyptians.
Like, how does that make sense?
It doesn't.
If it was just an older version of the same people, it's just you're saying it's your ancestors.
It's not saying it's some white Aryan race did it.
Right.
That in my mind is, I think that comes from a psychological.
It's a cop out.
Well, they want to, a lot of these guys are really diehard lefties.
And if you're anti-racist.
And you want to fight racism, boy, wouldn't it be serendipitous to wake up one day and find out the thing you went to school for just happens to be miraculously aligned with combating racism.
It is interesting that, like, there is a common denominator with these.
I call them mainstream archaeologists, that almost all of them seem to be very left, very left wing as far as politically.
Yeah.
There's a common denominator there, and it's hard to know what to make of that, but there's something there.
And I, if you want me to be as opinionated as I am, I look at hardcore leftism now.
This isn't about equal rights.
This isn't like, oh, let same sex marriages or whatever.
Like, that's not what it's no longer about.
I look at hardcore leftism.
As this ideology of people that just trust a higher authority without doing the research themselves.
And they just like, they'll read the headlines.
Like, someone asked me yesterday on Twitter, at what point will archaeologists admit that ancient civilizations were more advanced than we were taught?
And I said, once CNN and MSNBC blasted as a headline.
And then it'll be like, oh, now it's true.
Because it seems to be like this herd mentality there.
Because I can't wrap my head around, like, they can't even just utter out of their mouths the mystery of it.
Like, going back to the debate with Graham Hancock and Flynn Dibble.
I'm like, at no point did it highlight the true mysteries of the Great Pyramid, which is that we don't know how they moved 80 ton stones 500 miles and lifted and sacked them 300 feet above the ground.
Like, that's right there.
Like, you know what I mean?
I'm like, that.
So people are like, oh, well, Flint debunked Graham.
I'm like, but there's so many other mysteries that he has showcased for 30 years that are still outstanding and we don't know.
Yeah.
You know?
They kind of ran out of time towards the end of it.
I feel like they could have spent a lot more time on the Egyptian stuff.
But so what would you say was the ultimate premise of that debate?
Like, what were they.
Actually, I know they got into a lot of different things, but what do you think the ultimate.
I think that's probably where the big disconnect was to begin with.
Graham came in with, we're going to discuss, we're going to debate and discuss whether or not there was a lost ancient civilization.
And Flint came in there with the idea of, I'm going to explain to him why, I'm going to prove why there cannot be one.
He says that multiple times.
I'm going to prove to you why that could not be.
Why there cannot have been an advanced ancient civilization.
I don't think, I think Graham was caught aback by that.
I know I would be if I was sitting down to talk to a scientist because as soon as those words come out of their mouth, they're not a scientist anymore.
And scientists don't say we fuck it.
I'm going to prove to you why this cannot be.
Right.
All the evidence currently indicates.
I'm going to show you why archaeologists don't think that.
That's how you say that.
But as soon as he says, I'm going to show you why that cannot be, Flint had the mindset of I am going to win.
Graham had this mindset of we're going to discuss ancient mysteries.
And to be honest, I think Graham also had it in his back of his mind that he wanted, and I can't speak on his behalf.
This is just my own opinion, that he was deeply hurt.
At being labeled a white supremacist and other things, and being associated with Nazis, that when he went into it and that Flint had been one of those people that had pushed that, I think that Graham was looking to hold his feet to the fire to hold him accountable on the stage to say, like, you said this.
And so I think that Graham was going into it wanting to address that.
Because poor Graham has been going at this for 30 years with good intentions to share the legitimate mysteries and unanswered questions about our past.
And I would argue that he is probably.
Done more than anyone else on earth to share that because his books have been sold in hundreds of countries.
And I think that he has been deeply hurt.
Like I was hurt when I was labeled a Nazi.
And these people, like Flint, like in John Hoops, I've seen them literally say that when they're attacking somebody, they will tag them and spell out their first and last name every single time because they want to blast it out there.
Like Jimmy Corsetti is spreading dangerous Nazism.
And everything that they say involving racism or Nazism, they include the full.
The first and last name.
And they're doing it because they want it to show up on Google.
They want it so that way.
Let me give you an example.
I have a good friend, and this is after the first season of Ancient Apocalypse came out.
And she had recommended it to one of her close friends/slash coworker.
And so he gave it a Google, typed in, you know, Graham Hancock, Ancient Apocalypse.
And you know what he said to her?
He's like, ah, I don't know.
They're saying he's a white supremacist.
I'm not so sure this is my thing.
And this is somebody that doesn't know anything about the ancients.
She was trying to say, hey, check this out.
It's a really interesting show.
And that's what showed up.
And you saying that just gave every archaeologist watching a semi-chubby right there.
Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, that worked.
Yes.
Yeah, it's cancel culture.
That's why you do, that's why they associate people with racism now because it's a quick way to cancel somebody.
Be like, oh yeah, you don't want, I don't want to hear what they have to say.
That's a stupid person.
Because that's what, that's what, if you're calling someone racist today, you're saying that they're stupid.
Like if you literally just judge somebody because of how they were born, like I was born a certain race, then you're just, in my mind, I'm like, you're not even saying that they're a mean, bad person, although they are.
You're saying a racist, I'm saying.
You're saying that they're fucking stupid.
If you're racist today, I don't like someone just because you were born with a different skin color than mine.
Okay, you're fucking dumb.
That's a low IQ thing.
It's like, really?
You can't learn something for somebody because they look different than you?
Okay, you're an idiot.
And I think that's kind of like that angle on it.
Imagine how hard that must be for him, too, considering that Santa's black and that he married her in the 70s back when there had been a lot of white folk that probably called him race traitor back in those days.
So he goes through that.
Raises his kids, deals with all the bullshit that probably got involved in that.
And then he gets to the time when society finally turns and he's like, all right, fuck yeah.
Now I'm finally, I've been through it.
I've been through the, oh, now I'm a racist because I like to think that somebody else besides the Egyptian moved those rocks.
What in the actual fuck is going on here?
I would be pissed.
Yeah.
And I've never even, I've never used this publicly, but my ex wife was brown.
She's Hispanic.
I'm like, I've never pulled the card because I just don't care when they call me racist.
They've actually been too busy calling me a Nazi.
They've called me, they called me racist, but mostly Nazi.
But I'm like, I've never pulled out the card.
It's like, my ex wife is brown.
She was hot.
I should show a picture of it.
I would disrespect her like that.
Put Selena Gomez on the screen.
Yeah.
So it's all below the belt.
And I think that the real message that, like, you know, the one thing I want everyone to circle back on, and I did throw an olive branch out to Flint Dibble probably about two months ago, where I said, hey, let's mend this bridge and let's advocate for three things exploration of the hidden chamber in the Great Pyramid, further excavation of Gobekli Tepe, and to explore the subterranean chamber slash tunnel at Ganang Padang.
Which may or may not be natural.
We'll never know until we go digging.
Those three things, I would argue, in my mind, are the three oldest and most mysterious ancient structures on earth that still stand to have further exploration of them.
So, why don't we all just like, you know, put all the visceral stuff aside and just like advocate for that?
That's okay.
Because what am I asking for?
I'm trying to give them work.
It's not going to be Jimmy Corsetti or Dan Richards that's doing the digging.
They have to do that.
And unfortunately, he didn't bite back at that.
And I was being sincere.
I'm like, hey, that's, I was literally saying, like, that squashed the beef.
I even, I don't even want to get into it, but I apologized to Flint.
He was very upset with me at different things that I had said to him in the past when we went back and forth.
And I did apologize to him and he rejected it.
He said it wasn't public enough that I didn't address all the things.
And he just threw it in the shitter and then he left me blocked on Twitter and went and talked shit about me just two days later.
And I'm like, bro.
Again, Flint, if you're listening, man, like, there's no hatred here, man.
No, yeah, it's unfortunate.
Yeah, like, Again, to what you're saying, Flint, if you are listening, like, I like you, Flint.
I genuinely liked the guy when he came in here.
He was a nice guy.
I just completely disagree with the way people try to cop out on arguments about alternative theories to how this shit was made and try to associate it with racism, which is, at the end of the day, it just waters down what it was to what the Nazis were or what racist people are.
Yeah.
When you do a disservice, you use it every day.
You're watering down the severity of that term and what it actually means.
You're changing the meaning of it.
That's something I've been saying that one in the same regards to Trump since like 2015.
It's like, if you guys don't stop just screaming every time he gets two scoops of ice, Cream instead of one, you're going to inoculate his supporters to the point where they won't believe a goddamn thing that you say about him.
That's what happens.
One of the things that it's funny with you asking Flint, as you're saying, this is what you asked, we should just excavate these three sites.
I'm shaking my head because I've joked with you about it before, but this is the reality of it.
I've seen the way that they react to Jim mentioning sites.
If he was to just get on Twitter and then once a week be like, you know what?
We need more excavations in Rome.
I think they need to dig underneath this.
I need to dig.
They would fucking, we'd have all these archaeologists go, we've excavated enough in Rome.
We don't need to dig anymore there at all.
He could kill the entire fucking field in a year or two, just like pick every site.
And by the end of a couple of years, and there's only like three sites left, you'll have all the archaeologists fighting to go there because they'll have already said no reason to go to the rest.
Yeah.
It's at the point now, anything I say, no matter how sincere, it just is the most pushback ever.
And they don't see it now.
But one day, I'm optimistic that they'll see that I'm actually helping them.
I think my place in this field is to shake things up, make some noise, and bring as many views.
To the legitimate mysteries and unanswered questions to our lost past.
I'm not pushing space lasers.
I'm not pushing immortality in the Great Pyramid.
I'll talk about it personally, but I don't make any videos saying that.
I have no idea.
And the one thing that we all have in common is this niche interest in this topic of ancient civilizations.
Man, 90.
How many people out of 100 walking down the street don't know almost nothing about?
Anything involving ancient history.
It's a niche community.
There are many, many millions of people around the world and it's growing.
There are many people, but they're few and far between for the general public.
And so it's like, since we all share this common interest, why not just unite on that one little thing?
You know?
I completely agree.
But to me, the smoking gun, the worst example of that was when you were talking about the trees on Gobekli Tepe.
Yeah, it's like, they're defending it and saying, oh, that's fine.
You know, it's no big deal.
This is the kind of thing that we do and blah, blah, blah.
Fuck no, I can find you numerous archaeological papers on the problems with having trees on ancient sites.
I mean, come on, and it's no brainer, man.
You've olive trees damage foundations, it's not surprising.
Are you familiar with that Gobekli Tepe, the controversies uh involving that the site with the trees and all that stuff?
Have you heard about this?
I, my understanding of it is that they planted a bunch of olive trees or something there so that they would be so the government wouldn't be able to buy it or something.
So, the government could pay them more, but go ahead.
Essentially, they first started excavations at Göbekli Tepe in around 1995.
And then, approximately 10 years later, the Turkish authorities wanted to purchase the land because it was owned by farmers.
And so the farmers had planted at least 800 olive trees on the site in order to increase the value of the land, which I was very skeptical at first.
At first, I was leaning straight up on conspiracy.
They're covering it up, they're preventing excavation.
However, upon visiting and researching it more, it seems entirely likely.
That's exactly what they did.
They were just trying to get a higher price for the land.
However, with it came what I would consider complete and total mismanagement of the site.
Because again, this was 10 years after excavations had begun, and they planted trees literally on top of ancient ruins.
I've seen video myself recently as of August.
A gentleman went there upon seeing my videos where I raised the controversies.
And let me just say this I established with an archaeologist who had worked the site, a gentleman who no longer likes me.
He blocked me for just no good reason on Twitter.
But I asked him, yes or no, like, were any of these trees planted on top of ancient ruins?
The answer was yes.
And then I saw it firsthand with a gentleman that went there and recorded.
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And you can see trees planted.
And I'm not kidding, just inches from the actual tree trunk is ruins stabbing out of the ground.
And what they said is that these trees are going to be harmless because this particular species of olive tree will grow horizontally.
It's not going to go down and destroy the ruins below.
But I'm like, well, now I'm seeing ruins that are literally right next to them.
And then their stories have changed.
Dr. Lee Claire, who is the head of field work and research for Gobekli Tepe, Flint Dibble interviewed him on Flint's podcast, and he has basically said that he's like, We're now monitoring these tree roots to make sure that they're not damaging the ruins.
So essentially, the story has changed.
They said that these tree roots are not going to cause any damage.
And now they're saying, Well, we're keeping an eye on them.
And now I'm seeing videos showing that, no, this is guys, this is a problem.
And if nothing else, let me say this never mind damage to the ruins.
And to anyone listening, just understand that when any trees are planted in a municipal area, They have to make sure it's not going to stab a sewer line or electricity or damage sidewalks.
Tree roots are notoriously destructive.
But put that destruction aside, these trees are coveting vast portions of the site itself, which is preventing a full excavation of the site.
These trees are in the way.
And unfortunately, it turns out there's an olive law in Turkey, which established in 1935, where it's illegal to cut down olive trees in the country of Turkey.
And let's be clear the idea that these roots are somehow magically not going to be damaged or anything, that's just ridiculous.
When I was reading the archaeological literature on the problem with tree roots, so I got this from them, not from Jimmy.
Tree roots follow water crazily enough.
So, especially in a dry area like Gobekli Tepe, if, say, they built one of those enclosures around a well, which would be perfectly reasonable, that one's going to have tree roots shooting right the fuck down the thing.
And the problems this can cause, for example, in one place, because of that, it penetrates, you know what stratigraphy is, right?
Okay.
So it penetrates those layers, chops right through them.
So, there's a snail, for example, and I forget the species, but in medieval Europe, they use this snail to determine a timeline because it only shows up in certain areas in England after a certain date.
But in areas where the tree roots punch through wells like that, it shows up before that and it fucks their dating all up.
So, not only does it damage the site on a very real, you can see it level, it damages on a molecular level.
For fuck's sake, tree roots are an entire ecosystem, it's not just the Plants, tree roots, there's going to be bacteria and all kinds of enzymes and shit growing around with them.
It's going to change the chemicals in the soil.
So it just, to me, the very fact that they would argue that, they're not scientifically illiterate people, but they don't like Jimmy Corsetti and he brought up tree roots on top of Gobekli Tepe.
And that's really where I end up focusing so much of my energy in this sphere because it's just so goddamn weird to me.
It's like we've got interested amateurs, we've got experts, and You just want the history and amateurs to fuck right off, but where are you going to get your funding from, bro?
Right.
Yeah.
The crazy thing about it is, like, I understand where they're coming from, where the academics are coming from, like Flint, from the aspect of people like you guys, people like Graham,
who are self educated, just interested in the mysteries of this stuff, going on podcasts, getting millions of views, getting all this attention when you've literally spent your whole life reading books, going to these places.
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Like Flint puts it, eating the gruel, doing the boring shit, getting a PhD, getting a PhD, and no one fucking recognizes you for it.
And you just are fucking pissed about that.
I think that I've said this to Graham personally.
I said, hey, I really think that this is biblical shit from the standpoint that ego and pride, this stuff goes back thousands of years where they describe that, you know, it's the haves and the have nots.
Like people, I basically think that it's bitter envy that Graham, he might not be an archaeologist with a PhD.
However, he's sold God knows how many millions of books.
And so he gets all the attention.
And so I think that there's jealousy there.
Totally.
And it's really unfortunate, but like I firmly believe most of it comes down to that because they're like, who's this asshole, Jimmy the YouTuber, who never studied this stuff?
And why is he getting more views than me?
And I'm like, listen, guys, you got to enhance your craft.
Like learn how to publicly speak, for goodness sakes.
Like, you know, become engaging or focus on the things that are unknown.
Like, you don't have to be a rabid conspiracy theorist, you know, suggesting that the.
Pyramids are a power plant.
However, you could also acknowledge the fact that at, say, Ganung Padang, which could be a 24,000 to 27,000 year old pyramidal structure, it's highly debated.
Flint will tell you that, that the dating and all that could be, there's discrepancies there.
It's not for sure.
However, they say that basically the subterranean tunnel and chamber, which has been identified through ground penetrating radar, the geologist Danny Hillman.
Not Iowa.
Yep.
I almost mispronounced his last name.
I got it wrong too.
He's interpreted the data to say that there's a strong likelihood that that subterranean tunnel chamber could be man made.
The other side will say, no, this is likely just natural because it's a lava tube.
It was built on a site that was volcanic in nature in itself.
And I'm like, hey, so why don't we just drill a hole underground, throw a camera down there with a light, and just see what's inside this chamber?
If it's just a natural lava tube, this is not a huge investment.
They could pull this off.
This is not a big deal.
I'm not talking about bringing out heavy equipment and digging the whole site up.
Just, you know, drill a hole.
And see what's down there and end it right there, like end all the conjecture.
So I'm like, why not just go find out what it is?
Because if it is man made, that right there will be one of the biggest discoveries of our time, as far as from an ancient human perspective, I should say.
Because like a pyramidal structure like that shouldn't exist 20,000 years ago into the ice age, if that's what it is.
So if that was the case, like, you know, that would rewrite the textbooks, you know, because that's not supposed to exist that far back in time.
But if they found it was man made, what it would prove that there was a civilization, an advanced civilization.
How many years ago?
So the dating could, let me say, could potentially be, let me use the word potentially, 24 to 27,000 years old.
There is all kinds of conjecture about this dating.
Can you maybe explain the reason why?
Yeah, the reasons why, Will.
Dr. Hillman Nadiwa Jaja is a geologist, not an archaeologist.
So in the site, what they did was they dug down to the first layer and underneath the first layer of stones and stuff, they sunk.
They sunk drill cores and they pulled up big cores of soil and stuff.
And what they found is some of what they're calling fill dirt.
So that's what he's using.
He's saying that two different places that there's dirt there that's nowhere found in that immediate area that was put there must have been put there by humans.
And they're dating the biological material, which is grass and stuff.
It's not like there's human bones or charred artifacts.
And that's the biggest problem there's no artifacts or like burnt bones or anything.
There's just that Kajong dagger and a couple of, or Kajong stone and a couple other.
Small rocks like that, but there didn't find since there was no archaeologists out there shaking screens, they don't have a bunch of little chips and flakes and 150 different little artifacts like they normally would.
So that's a big one right there as to why this so much skepticism involved from the archaeological community towards that idea.
Well, something I want to say really fast though to prove that it is absolutely fucking jealousy.
I keep invoking Carl Sagan as a science communicator.
He was not obviously not a YouTuber and he obviously had a you know a degree and stuff and he was a teacher and he got a shitload of jealousy from his.
Colleagues, shitload of shit from his colleagues, you're not doing real science.
You're just out there talking to the layman, talking to the masses.
What's wrong with you?
So it's the same kind of thing.
Let's be real clear about scientists.
Some of these guys, a good chunk of humanity that is really good with data and stuff is just not socially adept.
They're just a little awkward.
They're a little off.
And there's nothing wrong with that, but that can make it fucking hard to be a YouTuber, man.
You can't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a big difference between being super.
Proficient in the scientific endeavor, and being a communicator, and the recognition of that is something that the ego makes it difficult because, as I keep saying about for your advancement, it takes two different thinking, like with with here, with Jim's more apt to dream about something than I am and i'm more apt to say, hey Jim, come on.
I don't think that's quite accurate, but between the two of us we get along just fine.
We come up with good ideas as far as i'm concerned.
So, as a metaphor for all of us, it's like that's we could be going that route, but instead what do we get?
We get polarization, We get anger.
We get basically a mirror of politics all across social media and everything.
It's disgusting.
It's disgusting.
Wasn't there, I read on, I think it was your Twitter, that they're hiring a DEI person for like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
What was that about?
So the SAA, the Society for American Archaeology, the same organization that was trying to get Graham Hancock's Netflix series renamed, and they're also the reasons why he couldn't film at Serpent Mound, correct?
They're the ones that contacted them.
I don't know that for a while.
They wouldn't let him film at Serpent Mound.
Serpent Mound was contacted by somebody in Tennessee?
Yes, Serpent Mound wouldn't let Graham Hancock film there.
Neither would Cahokia Mound in Illinois.
They wouldn't let him film.
That same organization has posted just this month a DEI specialist position.
I don't know what the salary is, but it's a four-year degree required.
Can you find that, Steve?
I think it's on Jimmy's Twitter.
Yeah, she's so funny to me.
That's like when I retweeted that, I was like, the SAA, we're past being racist.
Archaeology is no longer racist.
We're past all that.
It's you pseudo guys, blah, blah, blah.
Also, the SAA, we need to hire somebody to help us not be racist.
DEI is literal racism.
It's just blatant racism that you're going to give anyone preferential treatment.
You know, it's like, oh, I'm going to favor someone because of their skin color.
Like, that's racism.
No, it should be colorblind and merit based.
Yeah, 100%.
There are times when it comes to archaeology, I'd look at it.
Not that crap.
You said DEI, right?
Yeah, type in DEI.
Yeah.
That's not showing up.
Type in up.
It's on there, bro.
Just keep scrolling.
You'll see it.
It's just shocking to me that they would be doing that now.
When it seems like there's a huge pendulum swinging.
Right there.
Second middle.
Yep.
Right there.
Boom.
There we go.
DEI specialist for Society of American Archaeology.
Posted on January 6th, 2025.
Is there a link to the website where we can actually see it on their website?
Yeah, it might be in the subsequent tweet below.
I usually include my sources.
That's not it.
If I remember right, you'd posted this before.
You posted once about that before you posted that.
Yeah, I've made two posts about it.
It won't be on the right, I guess.
That's weird.
You're going to have to go out of there, Steve, and keep searching.
Hang on.
You can do it, Steve.
Oh, yeah.
Scroll on maybe that one.
Full time DC position.
Scroll down.
Scroll down.
Yeah.
I found it on Google under DEI specialist in Washington.
Click that one salary details, benefits, 100% paid health and dental benefits for single coverage, 3% contribution to a TIAA retirement account, flexible spending.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Flexible spending accounts.
Learn more at full position.
There's the link right there sway.cloud.microsoft.
It will let you click it.
That's a screenshot.
That's hilarious, man.
This is a real thing, though.
It's a career to do.
Yeah, and that's, you know, that's the Society for American Archaeology.
So I'm wondering what's even up with that.
Like, what's, why do they need DEI exactly?
I mean, I can understand, like, if you, like, when you're dealing with, like, tribes and stuff, there's, like, that whole racial aspect.
And I, Native American ruins and stuff like that.
Well, yeah, yeah, try to be, like, respectful of that.
Like, up in Washington State, we have a lot of that going on.
It's not, the tribes have a lot of power, and they frequently are, Stopping archaeologists or working with them.
And so I could get where you would need, but I don't think that's what DEI does, right?
I mean, it's not like a.
It has to do with hiring.
I was going to say, there's not hiring like in house.
What the fuck do they need that for, man?
I mean, can they just get an app for that?
How do they.
How does the.
No, really.
Isn't there just an app for that?
You just press like a few different buttons and you get your.
Seriously, that doesn't make any goddamn sense.
How does this organization make money?
They don't.
They steal it from the government.
Oh, it's all government money.
Well, they have member dues.
So you can be a member and I don't know how much they charge.
And that's where the majority of their actual operations.
Operating costs come from their membership dues.
They also middleman money for the government.
Like every year they go to Congress and say, hey, we need a bunch of money for all these different archaeology things in the country.
And then they divvy it up.
Now, according to the archaeologists, of course, they don't keep any of that for themselves, but I'm, you know.
Just to clarify, a bunch of money, we're talking over $400.
Half a billion.
Half a billion.
$450 million a year.
And here's where I think it's a scam.
So essentially, the Society for American Archaeology consists of approximately 7,000 archaeologists and academics that are.
Paid members of their organization.
And a lot of them work in government agencies like the National Park Service or whatever.
There's a number of them.
And so they advocate for funding for those organizations that those people that are members of are employed with.
So they'll essentially say, We're not taking the money, but it's their own self interest that they're essentially orchestrating and they're directing, excuse me, the allocation of funding in the hundreds of millions of dollars that are going to go towards people that they employ.
So it's like, it's a, it, Honestly, it's a circle jerk of money.
They are benefiting from this.
I'm not saying that they're taking that money into their own pockets, but it's indirectly.
It's like me giving, hey, Danny, I want you to get $100 of Jimmy's money, but you're not getting it from Jimmy.
You're getting it from Steve because you're going to give Steve the money, who I know is going to give it to you.
Right.
It's a middleman.
And just to let you know how corrupt that stuff can be, the majority of archaeology done in this country, the vast majority, is what's called cultural resource management.
And that's where you're going to build a bridge, you got to make sure it's not being built on it.
Sure.
Okay.
So, Golf courses.
These are private institutions.
There's no Florida state CRM firm or the Florida state CRM organization.
There's private businesses.
So, you hire them and you pay them.
And so, if the Society for American Archaeology is like, you know, we really need to get some CRM work done over in this part of the country, for example, and they advocate for money over there, they're literally advocating to give it to a private corporation.
So, there's a lot of room for shitty things there to happen.
Yeah, it's pay for play.
Trump has talked about this publicly where he ran into these same issues when he was building in New York that he would come across these environmentalists.
It's the same thing.
The environmentalists and the CRM people, it's the same function.
They hold up.
Whatever it is you're trying to do, they charge enormous amounts of money.
And if you pay a different organization different money, all of a sudden it's streamlined.
So essentially, it's just a middleman of people that are making enormous sums of money.
And I'm not saying they're not doing any good.
I'm not, hey, listen, yeah, let's not destroy ancient ruins here.
But it becomes something else when the.
I'm seeing this at Phoenix Skyheart.
I'm from Phoenix.
The airport is going to build a new terminal and they're not going to break ground for like another four years.
And so I start looking in.
I'm like, oh, yeah, they're bringing all the environmental people.
I'm like, the airport's there, it's already asphalt.
As far as the eye can see, and they're holding up a new terminal for a handful of years, I'm like, I don't understand.
And then I, but because once you learn that the corruption, and corruption is a big word, maybe I should be more careful with that, but like that's what I see it as.
I'm seeing it as like, it's like, okay, let me give you another example that anyone listening can wrap their heads around the appraisal business for houses or home inspection people.
Like if anyone's been trying to sell a house, you can, and you hire a certain inspector, they will find so many things that aren't issues, but they have to write down everything.
And all of a sudden, A deal will fall out because, like, oh, this house is, you know, they make it sound worse than it is by, you know, nitpicking every little thing.
It's like, this is a non issue.
The structures sound like, shut up.
Like, do you know what I'm talking about?
Have you ever seen this?
Like, of course.
If you try to, like, pull equity out of your home, the bank will send its own person out there to inspect the house to purposely find all this shit to devalue the home so they can give you less money.
Bingo.
Bingo.
The world is a little bit different.
And that was fascinating to hear Trump talk about that on Rogan's podcast.
I think he was talking about one of his buildings up there near the panhandle.
I think it was New Orleans, maybe roughly.
It's no longer the Gulf of Mexico.
It's the Gulf of America.
Yeah, the Gulf of America now.
That's wild.
But yeah, so he has an understanding of this just from being a builder.
People are like, oh, is Trump qualified?
It's like, yeah, he's run into it.
And he said, like, oh, you just pay someone else instead.
And all of a sudden, it's not a problem all of a sudden.
Right.
So it's like, you know, there's people making.
There's people that are basing their entire career and livelihood on positions like that.
So, of course, it's going to come with issues.
It's an industry.
It's an industrial complex, just like there's a military industrial complex.
There's a complex for every main industry where there's billions of dollars involved.
And there's people that are siphoning money, and it's unfortunate.
It's too bad.
What did Ahmed say?
Greed stains the soul with the stench of ruin.
It's too bad you can't really get it out of science, even.
It would be nice if we could at least remove some of that corruption from just the basic stuff.
I mean, you're always going to have corruption like that.
Like I worked as an electrician for a long time and I've seen it a thousand times where a homeowner would be like, I can do this on my own, but they're building a really rich home and the guy's clearly a white collar guy.
And so when the inspector comes in, he looks at the guy.
He's like, you've got the money to hire one of us.
I was an electrician for 20 years or I wouldn't be a fucking inspector.
You got the money to hire one of us and you didn't.
You didn't do that outlet right.
You didn't do that right.
But he doesn't tell them that.
He just says, You failed because of this outlet.
You failed because of this.
And where if I was standing there, he would have been like, Dude, you just need to fix this real quick and I'll sign off.
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Okay, cool.
Have a nice day.
It's just the way the world is, man.
Yeah.
No, it is.
Yeah.
What do you do?
I want to talk a little bit about Atlantis.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a great Disney movie.
I love it.
The casino in the Caribbean, correct?
Yes, exactly.
It's a great casino.
It's all inclusive.
It's one of my favorite casinos.
I love the place.
Your videos about Atlantis are fascinating and they have millions of views.
And I think you talked about it on one of your podcasts that you did with Rogan, where you talked about the reshot structure in Africa, the Eye of the Sahara.
Yep.
Have you been there?
I have not.
Has anyone been there?
Can you get there?
People can visit.
Absolutely.
It's inhospitable.
It's a pain in the ass.
It's a little bit dangerous.
And so essentially, you'll go through Nouakchott in Mauritania.
This is in the Western Sahara.
And yeah, you could rent a car and go out there, but you need to bring all your own supplies.
There's no gas stations on the way, there's no water.
It's inhospitable.
I was in the deal to do a documentary.
One of the reasons why I haven't visited is that there was a deal that I was under for doing a documentary there, which.
Long story short, did not materialize.
And, but basically, I came across a documentary back in 2018 called Visiting Atlantis by a George S. Alexander and Natalie Rosen.
I've since learned that there's a gentleman named George Serentidis who apparently had visited the Rishot in 2008.
So I don't know how he came up.
So if there was one person to give credit to who first postulated the theory of the Rishot Atlantis, it'd be George Serentidis.
But I don't know how he developed it.
All I know is that I came across the documentary of, in, That was from 2011 from George S. Alexander and Natalie Rosen, where they showed this site that I had never seen or heard of before.
And when I first started making a series of videos on this in late 2018, there were literally tens of thousands of comments on my videos saying, How have I never seen or heard of the Rishat structure before?
It is one of the most bizarre geological features anywhere on Earth.
I mean, look at it.
You can see it from space.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was first identified by astronauts in the Gemini 4 missions in 1964.
And it's approximately 16 miles wide and it's made up of concentric circles.
The consensus among scientists is that it's a collapsed volcanic dome, although that's not 100% proven.
They've never drilled the site.
Like when you asked if people have visited it, one thing I like to point out is that there has been no archaeological dig at the site.
Mauritania actually forbids it.
It turns out there's an abundance of gold there and they won't allow any digging.
However, it has been studied from geologists because at first they thought it was potentially an impact site from a meteor.
They've ruled that out.
There's no signature traces of anything to suggest that.
But I consider this to be by far the most likely location for the lost capital city of Atlantis.
And I point out capital, that's the key there, because Atlantis was said to be a king or an empire made up of 10 kingdoms.
And the capital was said to be made up of concentric circles three that would be of water, two of land that would match the Rishad if it had water in it, an opening to the sea at the south.
And right there, that is a southerly facing opening that you can see in the lower corner right there, to the right, right, a little to the left, right, bang, yeah, right there.
It's also made up of red, black, and white color stones.
It had a mountain to the north that just so happened to be called the Atlas Mountains, which was said to be the very first king of Mauritania.
And it turns out that the, or excuse me, the very first king of Atlantis.
And it just so happens that the first king of Mauritania was also named King Atlas.
And basically, there's more than a dozen similarities, which I consider to be the most consequential similarities to what was described of Atlantis.
And it's just incredibly fascinating.
You know, the theory that I have is that the reason why it no longer exists is that it was.
Bulldozed in some sort of catastrophic fluvial erosion.
I know Randall Carlson does not think that this is the site of Atlantis.
However, one thing.
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that.
Yeah.
However, he did say that, you know, through him studying this, that there's evidence of at least fluvial or fluvial, multiple fluvial events that may have happened over this site to essentially obliterate it and collapse the volcanic dome.
You can see signatures of salt or natron that is in the white blemishes along it, which I have suggested is evidence that seawater had settled and later evaporated there.
It is just bizarre.
How would one go about determining whether this was or was not a collapsed volcano?
You know, to be honest with you, so I've looked at pictures of other known volcanic domes that have collapsed and they don't look like this.
Well, there's nothing on the earth that looks like this, is there?
And so I don't listen, I'm not a scientist.
The consensus is that's what it is.
But, you know, if you look up, you know, collapsed volcanic domes, nothing anywhere on earth looks even remotely similar.
Like you can see, like, you know, evidence where things had collapsed and looks different, but not the concentric circles.
It's truly bizarre.
What are your thoughts on this theory?
I'm trying to figure it out.
I don't know.
One of the things that I've been asking people on here that come on the show is that people that believe in Atlantis, what is the smoking gun?
What is the one most irrefutable piece of evidence that Atlantis did exist?
I love this.
So a lot of people aren't aware that the legend of Atlantis originates from the Egyptians.
And it was so Plato made it famous, but it was actually his distant relative Solon who had visited Atlantis.
Uh, 2600 years ago, and what's so interesting is that he had said that the Egyptian priest had said that Atlantis was destroyed 9,000 years earlier.
And when you had 2600 plus 9,000, that's 11,600 years ago, which coincides precisely with the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe, right?
Of 11,600 years ago, where there was a massive shift in temperature on Earth, a rapid end to the last ice age.
And I'm like, what an insane coincidence to be so specific to say 9,000 years.
I mean, one thing is, oh, this was 10,000 years ago.
But 9,000 years, 2,600 years ago, coincides precisely with a.
We know scientifically of this younger, driest climate catastrophe.
What caused it?
That's the debatable part.
Whether it was an impact, a pole shift, sun cycles, whatever it was, that's the debatable part.
However, there was mass die offs of various animals at that time, rapid rise of sea levels.
And so I would say that more than anything, in my mind, goes beyond a coincidence.
And then you have the site called the Rich Hot Structure, which just so happens to match such.
Specific characteristics.
Like when it says, you know, made up of concentric circles, specifically three of water and two of land.
And who said that?
So that was, so here it comes from Plato.
Okay.
Who the legend was passed down from his uncle of six generations apart, who had written about it, passed it, made its way to Plato, and then he communicated it in his, in the Critias and the Timaeus.
So, you know, he didn't know Solon.
He had died, you know, 100, 200 years earlier.
Right.
So, this is where people will debate.
I'm like, well, how reliable is this?
Right.
It's like the Bible, right?
It's like the people who wrote the Bible, the canon, right?
Is written.
It's shit that wouldn't hold up in court, essentially, right?
It's people about writing about things that happened with no witness testimony, right?
And shit that happened hundreds, if not thousands of years prior, right?
And then also got rewritten and copied by people throughout the millennia, right?
So, it's like a game of telephone.
Well, that's one of the reasons that, uh, myself to answer your question about the evidence for Atlantis.
I mean, I would take it.
Atlantis is a term that I kind of use as an umbrella term.
I think a lot of people do, but I think it's one of the important things to note out the gate.
You're looking at for a lost civilization.
That's possibly one of them, the Reichat structure, a reshot structure.
That's quite possibly where they got the idea of Atlantis from.
But that idea could have come from multiple different things.
And in addition to it, like you read Plato's account of it, you imagine if there was a lost civilization from 10,000 years ago.
And so you go back a few thousand years and 7,000 years has passed or whatever.
And people are writing about it, they're going to inject their culture into it.
And so you read Critias and Timaeus and you see that they happened to use the same metals on the wall that the Greeks used on their temples, too.
Who would have guessed, right?
Wait, what?
Or a column, or what's it called?
Or a column.
The Atlanteans, their temples had the same precious metal that the Greeks liked to use.
This is according to Plato?
Yeah, allegedly.
And they had a democracy and they had all this.
This is stuff that was very.
Very Greek, right?
And of course it was because it's a fucking Greek story, man.
So I think that's one of the things to look for or to pay attention for is when we look at different cultures, we might find the same story in Japan and it's going to be way different.
It's not going to have democracy.
It's not going to have ore column.
It's going to have fishing and it's going to have more focus on the sea.
So to answer your question, back to it, there's a few things that are like the shared gods you mentioned earlier, the master of animals.
You've probably seen that one before.
Pictures of a woman with either a tiger on both sides of the snakes.
I've seen that very common.
The navel holding statues, you seem to, this seems to show up.
Yeah, like the Moai has and the Gobekli Tepe.
Yeah.
And you see these in South America.
And it also seems to quite frequently correlate with the origins of low level metallurgy.
The things like the stone clamps, the metal clamps that are used, the fact that those hop the ocean, like the nubs are one thing, but the clamps to me, Like, if you go to a house and the studs in a wall are on 16 inch centers, right?
It's okay.
This is a fucking machine.
This is how you build a house.
When I wired a house, the staples go every 18 inches from a bend and every four feet.
So, when you look at certain sites and you see, like, a puma punku at the top of each H block, they stick a little clamp.
It's like, well, this doesn't look like they.
I'm not familiar with what the clamps are you're talking about.
The metal clamps that are poured, they'll take a seam of stone and they'll have like an I shaped.
Deal on either side.
Oh, okay.
I see.
They pour metal into this indentation.
We see them a lot in Egypt.
They're bow tie shaped in Egypt a lot.
The ones in South America are more eye shaped.
But the fact that Puma Punku, for example, we know that they were used a lot in the old world.
They show up in the new world a little bit in Bolivia.
And at Puma Punku, they're used on these H blocks on each one.
And it looks like a guy's standard operating procedure.
That's what it looks like to me.
It doesn't look like somebody's over there experimenting.
Ah, these two stones might wobble apart.
Let's go.
It looks like he's dealt with this problem before and knew exactly what to do to solve it.
And it was right the way they built things.
So, so things like that to me seem to, um, if you look up, uh, could you type in clamp with that?
Yeah, you could even type in Egyptian clamp.
I bet uh, Ben Van Kirkwick has a bunch of photos.
Yeah, you see right there.
Like, oh wow, okay.
And so, you see what I'm like, look at that one, that second one down there.
Like, you see, holy okay.
Now, these show up all across the world.
How have I never seen this?
This is one of my favorite.
To me, again, I focus on a lot more of the mundane stuff because that's where I really end up being more fascinated.
And to me, this is like kind of a smoking gun.
Greek Knowledge of Egyptian Clamps00:03:40
We see it all over the world.
And it's like a nail, a nail is going to look the same in a lot of different places, right?
Whenever you innovate it.
But this specifically using metal or wood and specifically using a manner that it's like, okay, does they fucking need them there?
Are those stones still together a thousand years later?
But they didn't fucking need no clamps there, but they put them there.
Why?
Because that's what they did when they put stones together.
And so this wasn't their first time doing it.
I don't think that was their first rodeo.
And we don't have any sites in Bolivia to like really show innovation.
It just kind of pops up in a couple of places and goes away.
So to me, that's another smoking gun for this.
Lost civilization that a lot of people would call Atlantis.
You know, a lot of other names might get ascribed to it.
And again, a lot of these, a lot of the details, in my opinion, are definitely going to be lost to history.
There's no question.
But things like the reshot are very interesting where it does bring details that there's really, I don't see how the Greeks could have gleaned basically any of that of traveling to that spot.
Even in ancient Greece, that was a Sahara desert, right?
So it is interesting to mention that the Egyptians, so in that same tale, they said the Egyptians were colonists of a Of a civilization that was destroyed in a flood cataclysm.
And that same tale that's been taught and told on hundreds of cultures across five continents around the world.
I'm like, there's something to it.
It doesn't have to mean that the Peruvian Andes and the Himalayas were covered in water.
But when the fact that there was a 400 foot rise in sea level at the end of the last ice age, which happened, how fast it happened is so debatable.
But really?
Well, some people say it was over thousands of years, and some people will say that it was over a relatively short period.
Period of time where there would have been increments of flooding that could have been 100 feet in a day.
I've heard different people say different things.
Truth is, you know, I don't know.
But what I, here's the fact that people should look at is that almost half the world's population today lives on or near a coastline, at least within 60 miles or 100 kilometers.
Many have suggested that that number or percentage would have been higher in ancient times because of more abundance of resources and easier to travel up the coastline.
But if there was a sudden rise in sea levels, At a particular period of time, that would have been apocalyptic, so to speak, for so many people around the world on different continents.
Even if it was just, you know, a few, I don't know how many years ago.
It was apocalyptic right here three months ago when that hurricane came.
Yeah.
It was insane, man.
Everyone lost their houses on the beach.
It was like Mad Max right here.
And how high was that storm surge?
How many feet?
It was like nine feet.
Okay.
So imagine if it was dozens of feet.
It would have been, would anyone have been left to talk about it?
No.
And in addition to that, this is one thing to.
It's pointing to mention in the record, look in the record and say, well, it took a thousand years for the ocean to rise this much.
Well, that nine feet that you experience is 10,000 years from now is going to be a part of the record of the ocean rising so much over so many years.
They're not going to see that nine foot flood.
That doesn't show up in the permanent record.
Like when they look each year, what's the sea level?
What's the sea level?
They don't account for hurricanes.
They don't account for those.
But something like that happens and it reroutes rivers.
I mean, I lived in Illinois near the Mississippi River in 94 when they had a major flood there and it engulfed St. Charles, Missouri.
They had to, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had to reroute the fucking river.
Now, they didn't have one 10,000 years ago, man.
You see, the city gets swallowed, the city gets swallowed forever.
And then in the record, the sea levels rose two inches a year.
Well, they did, but right here at that time, completely wiped out overnight.
Evidence of Ancient Cataclysms00:14:56
Yeah, my biggest skepticism when it comes to Atlantis is the Plato stuff because the Greek.
Experts, the Greek philologists that I've talked to, one of them being on this podcast, they say that when you're in school and you're reading, you're learning about Socrates, for example, and a lot of the stuff that you learn about Socrates comes from Plato, they say that the people teach you, the teachers teach you that anything that you read Plato's Socrates was most likely bullshit.
You have to take it with a grain of salt because Plato was a known liar.
He wasn't a historian, he was a philosopher, and he came up with hypothetical thought experiments like the cave.
And, um, It seems plausible to me that, like in the Timaeus, that when they're talking about this war between Atlantis and Athens, is that it was some sort of hypothetical war game that they were trying to play out.
And Atlantis was like a philosophical allegory, the same way Plato's cave was.
And Plato, you know, Aristotle obviously said a lot about Plato being a liar.
And There's like Homer, like Plato was big into censorship.
He wanted Homer to be censored.
He wanted to restructure society in a better way that was based off of like the philosophers ruling and all this stuff.
So there's definitely that's interesting to me.
Speaking on that real quick, yeah, he was a philosopher more than he was a historian for sure.
But if you draw a parallel to the modern day, say you're trying to convince one of your friends that the West is falling, Western culture is disintegrating, say that's what your argument is, would you cite Harry Potter?
Or would you cite Rome?
Rome why?
Because it's real.
So if Plato was trying to make a point, wouldn't he cite a place that at least his contemporaries believed was real, instead of just making some land up?
Oh, you know that one place?
Um no, he would have, at least in my opinion.
He would have definitely taken something that people knew about that people.
People had believed in a lost civilization.
They believed in Atlantis or whatever maybe they didn't have a name to it at the time.
But he, in my opinion, if he was using a metaphorical or an allegory Tool, there's no fucking way he would just conjure it out of thin air.
It has way less teeth than citing something real.
It is worth mentioning that apparently only somewhere between 20 and 30% of Plato's work is actual allegory.
So he gets a lot of people say, well, he made things up, he made things up.
And it's like, well, most of his work wasn't.
But, you know, what do I know?
You know what I mean?
Exactly.
I can't read ancient Greek.
Right.
And that's the thing.
It's like.
Yeah.
And so it's like, you know, so many, it could all be all made up.
The thing is that I just find that 9,000 year mark.
I believe there was an ancient, I think that there was a cataclysm.
I think that there was, especially when you look at things like the pyramids, that there was some sort of reset on humanity.
I think that makes sense.
Yeah.
And, you know, when it comes to Atlantis, I have a friend.
What she had said was, let me give her a shout out, Nikiana Jones.
She had said that she looks at Atlantis not as a place, but as an epoch of time, the time of when people were traversing the continents.
Doing great things that was lost to time, that was Atlantis.
That's a great way of putting it.
That's because that's like why you asked for the evidence, and I'm talking about things that span the ocean.
Because that's to my mind is exactly what it is.
It's evidence of a civilization that's doing things that we wouldn't give them credit for.
It would be the missing chapter of human history, as Graham Hancock has put it.
You know, when it comes to the wrist shot, though, that is just such a fun mystery.
And with the fact that it matches other striking similarities, like for example, that the outer walls of Atlantis were said to be lined in gold.
It turns out that Mauritania has enormous gold deposits.
That prior to the discovery of gold in North America, Europe got most of their gold from Mauritania.
Really?
That's the reason why they don't.
Allow digging or ground penetrating radar out there.
They're still protecting their gold.
Also, other things like having an abundance of elephants.
And now that we know that the Sahara was green up until approximately 5,000 years ago, there's studies that show that there would have been a massive network of rivers throughout the Sahara as well as the largest freshwater lake.
And these studies have shown that it would have been massive routes for human migration all through the Sahara, which is now, of course, a big dust bowl.
But I consider that more suggestive evidence that if Atlantis.
If there was a lost capital, why wouldn't it be?
Why couldn't it be in the Sahara?
And if the colonists went to Egypt on the other side of the continent, it's not that unreasonable to suggest.
And I also say this a lot of people say, well, it's not an island, so it couldn't be Atlantis.
So I'm like, well, the part they leave out is that the ancient Greek word for island was nesos and neson, which had five different meanings one of which was island, the other was peninsula, promontory, as well as land within a continent surrounded by lakes, rivers, or streams.
And one of the key details about this is that.
Atlantis was said to have a river that flowed from the mountains from the north.
And so that Atlas Mountains, which is in modern day Morocco, well, it turns out that the Taman Rissat River flowed at the same period of time as Atlantis up until approximately 5,000 years ago and flowed either directly through the Rishat or just north of it.
And you can see this on maps.
This is scientific studies that have nothing to do with Atlantis.
But as far as water, you could argue that it came from the Taman Rissat River.
So, yeah, it's a fun topic.
Like, it's, I can't, you know, I've been clear on this in the past.
Like, I'm not 100% certain that Atlantis existed, or if it did, that it's the Rishop.
But to me, I'm like, there's so many striking similarities that it is, I still say it, by far the most likely location if there was one.
However, yes.
If there was to find evidence that this was the site, here's the part that's really fucked up.
So, for this theory to be true, it's dependent on a catastrophic flow of water that flowed over the Western Sahara.
And If that was the site of Atlantis, people will say, Well, where are the ruins?
Well, unfortunately, that means it would have been blown out into the Atlantic Ocean off the western coast of the Sahara.
And there's a fascinating study that talks about the Mauritanian seafloor slide that just off the coast, right in front of the Rishat structure, extending like 150 miles north and south and a few hundred miles from east to west, is this layered sediment under the ocean.
It's layered over a mile and a half deep, like 3,000 meters or something like that.
And I'm like, Well, that's further suggestive evidence, not proof.
Suggestive evidence that if it was the site, that whatever that flow of water would have bulldozed that portion of the Sahara and caused all that layered sediment, what's now under the ocean.
So, if they were to go looking for relics of Atlantis, the gold would survive because gold doesn't rust.
And, you know, it'd be a task for seafloor mining people that, you know, look for gold off the coast.
Wow.
But, you know, that could be a needle in a haystack.
This may never be known.
But if they were to find abundance of gold in that seafloor slide, I would say that would be, I don't want to use the word smoking gun.
But that would be probably the only way to figure it out, I imagine.
Yeah.
And the other thing, too, is when it comes to whatever caused the flood that wiped out humanity during this time, whether it was cosmic impacts or whether it be like some sort of solar ejection.
The one idea that I kind of talked about with Randall a little bit, and I know you've talked about it before, is the pole shifts.
Yeah.
Where, like, if there is a huge, and I can't really remember exactly what he said, so I'm going to butcher it.
But he said, like, if the ice cap is really, really big, it's going to hold down the Earth's crust.
Isotopic rebound is what he says.
Isotopic rebound, that's what it was.
And when it gets smaller, it kind of offsets the balance of the Earth's crust somehow and causes a little bit of like a wobble.
Yeah, and it's like a sponge effect that the crust will rise again.
My wild theory is that because it's, you know, it's interesting.
You have Graham Hancock that's very, uh, a big proponent of the cosmic impact hypothesis.
You have Robert Schock that disagrees greatly and says it was a solar outburst.
Isostatic.
Isostatic.
What did I say?
Isotopic?
Isotopic, yes.
I was looking at it and going, wait a minute, what's he getting wrong?
Okay, yes, there it is.
Isostatic.
Thank you.
Um, And then you have other people suggesting a pole shift.
And I'm like, so there's no smoking gun evidence for any of these individual things.
However, there's strong suggestive evidence for each one of them independently, not enough to conclude it.
So let me give a shout out to Ben Davison of Suspicious Observers.
Are you familiar with Ben?
I've been trying to hit him up for years.
Oh, well, let me text him because I can't imagine why he wouldn't want to partner with you.
Great guy, by the way.
I think he got back to us once, but he was busy.
Okay.
I know he's.
It's not for me to say, but I know he's a single parent.
He's got a lot of things going on.
I know that.
Fascinating channel.
I've been watching this stuff.
So, what if it's all the above that essentially there was a pole shift?
And one of the things that he informed me of is that there was something called the Gothenburg Pole Excursion of 12,800 years ago, which is the same period of time as the onset of the Younger Dryas that went until about 11,600 years ago.
And I'm like, I've never heard of this.
There was a geomagnetic pole excursion 12,800 years ago.
Why?
How haven't I heard of this?
And this study goes back to the 70s.
And so, here's the theory that I would.
If I had to suggest, is that everyone's correct that with that pole shift, it caused a diminishment of the Earth's shield.
The atmosphere diminished, which made us more susceptible to solar activity as well as cosmic impacts.
And if the pole shift happened, let's say 12,800 years ago, and then maybe 11,600 years ago, there was the cosmic impact, and somewhere in between, there was a solar outburst, because the Earth's surface will be more susceptible to solar activity as well as cosmic impacts.
What if it's all three of them?
I'm sorry to say, that means that the Earth is far, if this was true, the Earth is far more volatile than any of us even wanted to believe.
That means that, like, there are periods of time in Earth's history where it's like really, really bad.
It's like, but that would explain why all we have left is stone in these unanswered questions.
Right.
That it's so much worse than people imagine.
And although Ben Davidson doesn't identify with continental crust displacement, it's still possible that during a pole shift, if it's caused by the internal movement of the iron core in the middle, the liquid iron core, And then the liquid molten core that's in the mantle.
It's said that that's what causes a pole shift, is that it's the movement of the iron core.
And how significant of a.
It softens a little bit or something?
It's already soft.
It's liquid, but it moves.
And essentially, it's a difference between a full on pole flip, which does happen occasionally in Earth's history, but geomagnetic pole excursions, which are a partial pole flip, happen intermittently.
Not consistently, but there's evidence of going back every 12,000 to 13,000 years.
I'm going to make a compelling video on this in the next couple months.
But.
Basically, the idea is that if, let me give you an example that we can all wrap our heads around earthquakes.
Some earthquakes originate in the crust when there is movement in the crust and it causes an earthquake, and others originate in the liquid outer portion of the mantle.
If something happens inside the Earth's core and we're floating on top of it, is it really that unreasonable to suggest that it wouldn't cause cataclysm on the surface, whether it be through earthquakes, continental crust displacement, which let me just say, Mainstream science totally disagrees on this.
This is total pseudoscience.
They do not agree with what I'm saying at all.
Let me be clear.
But it's still possible.
And as well as, what am I looking for?
Super volcanoes.
That's another enigma we don't fully understand.
However, at certain periods of time of known geomagnetic pole excursions, such as the Toba super eruption of approximately 72,000 years ago, which is what the fossil record shows that humanity may have been diminished to just a few thousand people worldwide, that just so happens to coincide with a geomagnetic pole excursion.
Now, I'm only connecting the dots.
This is not proof, but what if that's what causes.
Supervolcanoes are one of the things that it's the internal movement, rapid internal movement of inside the Earth's core, and it causes displacement on the surface.
That's my point.
I was just going to use the Earth's crust displacement theory, is what you're talking about, that's not accepted science.
But the model of it, Charles Hapgood, the best explanation that I've ever heard is if you think of a core, or if you think of an orange that's detached from the peel.
And if you think of it as the Earth's crust and the Earth's core, and you imagine the peel shifting over the, like you're spinning it on a string and then it just shifts a tiny little bit.
That's your Earth's crust displacement.
And that's where you end up with, the idea is you end up with different pieces of the Earth on the poles.
Like the entire crust shifts.
Chicken Little sees the sky fall because the stars dip.
Like the whole, that's Earth's crust displacement.
Einstein was even working on it with Hapgood back in the 50s, but it has lost out to tectonic.
Plates and all that stuff.
It's not the accepted model by any stretch of the imagination, but I wanted to put that in because that I always had trouble imagining that until I read the orange metaphor and i've always, okay, I can see that, and isn't there evidence that?
Or isn't it showing that, like the north pole is moving a certain amount every single year?
The magnetic stuff?
Yeah, like 38 miles a year.
It's accelerating 38 miles a year.
Give this a google, this is real.
So this is mainstream science, that the we are actually living within a geomagnetic Pole excursion.
It's happening right now.
It's been happening for like a hundred and since the mid 1800s.
And there are several hundred that are known in Earth's history and were overdue.
And essentially, the poles are moving.
They've had to update airport runway numbers around the world over the last couple decades.
It's happening.
Now, to be clear, mainstream scientists will say this will not be cataclysmic and it won't, and it's going to go on for another thousand years before it's completed, but they don't actually know that.
Movement of the geomagnetic.
Poles is not a constant rate but varies over time.
According to recent data, the North Magnetic Dip Pole has been moving at an average speed of 55 kilometers or 34 miles per year since 2020, which is faster than the historical average of about 10 miles per year.
Living Through a Pole Excursion00:05:20
Yeah.
This acceleration and movement began around the mid 1990s, with the pole currently drifting towards the northern coast of Siberia.
Holy shit.
And what is the conventional explanation to why this is happening?
It's For unknown reasons, other than it has to do with the internal molten iron core that it's shifting.
It's pretty basic magnetism if you really think about it.
Like, you ever seen like a Jacob's ladder with electricity going up it?
The electricity doesn't just straight across in this bar, right?
It moves, it dances, it's like fire.
Okay.
So imagine if the earth is, just to make it simple, imagine the earth was just a metal antenna with electromagnetic, with a magnetism popping off of both poles, right?
That's going to dance, it's going to weave around and stuff.
So coming out the top of the earth where that pole's Created, it's never going to be stable.
It's always going to be a fire.
It's always going to be a lightning.
It's always going to dance.
So, yeah, it's never going to be stable, but at some times it's going to get a little wonkier than others.
Now, since the earth is a that's created through this spinning metallic core, there's all kinds of forces that could fuck with that, right?
All kinds of forces could fuck with that.
Impact and fuck with it.
Probably a lot of things that we're not even taking into account, I would imagine.
Yeah.
So, like, how bad would it get?
Like, if the earth is spinning, right?
At the rate it's spinning, I don't know how fast it's spinning, like a million miles an hour.
A thousand miles an hour at the equator.
A thousand miles an hour.
And that's how they go with the 23,000 mile plus circumference.
And yeah.
And if that's spinning and then you have the earth, basically, the crust go like this, rotate that way while it's spinning, I can't imagine anyone would be able to survive that.
Oh, yeah.
It would be devastating.
That would be bad.
Unless maybe you're in an airplane because you survive if you were like flying.
Well, they say that.
So, this is again, this is the pseudo part, but they say that because of it, the winds, you're going to deal with the winds.
Yeah, the wind.
Let me just be clear.
A NASA scientist debunked Jimmy Corsetti.
He says, I'm totally wrong.
And he says, Really?
Yeah, they responded.
There was a dude.
Here's something that I think is really interesting.
So, I had shared that on the Joe Rogan podcast I did with Benven Kirkwick.
Yes.
And I was talking about the Adam and Eve story, which talks about the pole shifts being the reason why Earth's civilizations keep getting reset.
And I shared this as I shared what was considered mainstream science and what wasn't.
But Media Matters, which was funded by George Soros, did a hit piece on me in the weeks following that.
And I'm like, why is Media Matters doing a hit piece on Jimmy Corsetti, the YouTuber, talking about some ancient conspiracy theory, which I made clear isn't based on total science?
Some parts of it are, but like they did a hit piece on me and it was actually nasty.
And I'm like, that makes my conspiracy wheels go that I'm over the target in some way.
Because, like, why?
And I'll tell you why they would debunk it.
Is because it contradicts or at least throws a wrench in the man made climate narrative, which is that if there are things happening that are so much worse than anything we could do on our surface from pollution, that they don't want those.
Like, why are they so opposed to cataclysms in general?
Like, Graham Hancock is, they don't even want to entertain, look, the dinosaurs were, you know, ripped off the earth from an asteroid impact, but nothing much has happened since.
So just shut up about it.
That's kind of like the mentality.
I'm like, come on, guys.
Like, there's evidence of extinction level events, you know, since then.
You know, younger dryus with 75% of all mammals in North America going extinct at that time.
Crazy.
You know, it's like things have happened.
But, you know, when it comes, so let me tell you what they'll say is that when it comes to pole shifts, the geomagnetic pole excursion, they say it will not be cataclysmic.
They say that the worst that will happen is that it could cause telecommunication systems and satellite issues, as well as issues with the electrical grid.
And I'm like, and that's it.
And I'm like, issues.
Yeah.
And I'm like, hey, hold on a second.
I'm like, if you're suggesting that the power grid will go down or that our satellites will stop working and telecommunication issues, like our internet would collapse, if that happened, That's cataclysmic.
If the power goes out, that means your city water pumps will stop working once the generators that are run off fuel run out.
Imagine if the internet went down right now.
Almost every single cash register at any major store or gas pump will stop working.
They won't be able to tender your.
Take it a step further.
You won't be able to use a credit card anywhere.
If all the zeros and ones disappeared off of this planet's hard drives right now, how much money is left?
Your bank account says zero.
Fucking zero I'm zero.
That is crazy, dude.
When you think about it like that, things get fucked.
Okay.
So, yeah, you're talking Mad Max.
I mean, we're talking hardcore Mad Max, right?
And imagine this like, if the power grid went down, never mind that you can't buy anything, it'd just be wide scale looting and electricity goes down.
If that happens in winter, many people would die.
But here's something else is that the water, pure, purified water, which is that once those city water pumps and the treatment facilities go down, people are going to succumb to waterborne illnesses.
Like, this is weeks after, but like, in the event of a grid down scenario, the fallout from that, even the collapse of the supply chain involving prescription medication.
So, my ex wife was a pharmacist, and I asked her, I said, how many people actually need their medications to live?
Like, because the people go in there for anti anxiety and other things, but like, how many people their medication is keeping them alive, whether it's heart issues or whatever it is.
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Right.
And she thought about it, and she was a smart woman, and she's like, five to seven percent.
And I'm like, okay, that's a small percentile, but like that's actually tens of millions of people.
Yeah.
And so it's like how many of those medications need to be refrigerated?
Right.
Right.
So, you know, so this is so they can say that none of this crustal displacement will happen.
The earth's, you know, nothing's going to happen.
Like, okay, but if you're saying the grid will go down, okay.
You know, it's like that is a big deal because we're so dependent on it.
If the power grid goes down, civilization is Mad Max.
And they try hard to, it's almost like a psychological thing.
In humans, ever since Darwin, to try to like not scientific humans anyway, to not inject catastrophic means into anything happening.
They call it the scientific debate gradualism versus catastrophism.
In the early days of science, it was expected to prove the Bible, right?
So when you're looking to prove the Bible, you're looking for floods, you're looking for comets, you're looking for fires.
When you look to prove Darwin, right, everything's slow, everything erodes over time.
Now, after the KT impact in 1980, when that was accepted, they started accepting what they call Punctuated equilibrium, where they accept that you could have generally slow times with the occasional catastrophe.
That's only fucking my age.
I mean, I was five years old when science finally accepted that shit.
So when they look at things like what's going to happen when the geomagnetic poles wiggle around, it's almost like this scientific knee jerk to just be like, oh, it's going to be fine, bro.
It's not going to be bad.
It can't be bad.
That would be biblical proportion.
Can't be biblical.
And you want to know something interesting is that there's actually hard scientific evidence.
That contradicts their.
When I said that they say that the full pole flip is at least a thousand years away, they not only do they not know that because we've never been around to actually document and measure this, but there's actually a volcanic region in Eastern Oregon.
I forgot the name of the mountain chain, but this was a NOVA documentary from maybe 15 years ago where they essentially were able to measure that during a certain pole shift that had happened in Earth's known history.
It accelerates.
So it starts slow and it gradually accelerates.
And the reason why they're able to measure it is that anything, so an active volcano at that time, as the magma turns into lava and then solidifies, wherever magnetic north was at that time of when it solidifies, is where it's like a time capsule that your compass today will move as you bring it over that volcanic rock to wherever magnetic north was back then.
And what they discovered was that during that pole shift that happened at the That happened to have happened at the time of that lava flow was that the pole shift accelerates, it starts slow, and as it gets more and more dramatic as time goes on to where it's undergoing its full flip, they say that it happens so quickly that you could probably watch your compass slowly move throughout the day during the flip.
So essentially, extremely fast.
Wow, wow.
And that's hard science.
This was a Nova documentary.
I forgot the name of it, but it's a good 15 years old.
It's hard to find, but I could dig it up on YouTube.
It's out there somewhere.
But And they share that.
And so I'm like, any article I read on pull shifts, we say it's not going to be an issue.
It's not going to be an issue.
It's a thousand years away.
I'm like, you don't know that.
And you're ignoring the part that the best scientific evidence we have is that actually it's like a tabletop that you spin, a spin on top of the table, like a dreidel.
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Yeah.
And it'll, you know, go, it'll stay steady and then it'll go eventually, it just boom, boom, boom, topples over.
Right.
And that's how that documentary described the pole shift.
It said that that's essentially how it works.
It just starts slow.
And then once it gets going, eventually it'll hit a point of no return and then the flip happens.
So don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
It's fine.
We got to get a hard drive on the moon ASAP.
Yeah.
And a seed vault.
Because nothing's going to be here except for the pyramid and Stonehenge.
I'm going to point out a hard drive up there.
Yeah.
No, Stonehenge.
Yeah, it's crazy when you think about it.
When you look at what happened when the solar flares hit about 100 years ago, 150 years ago, and they burned up Carrington.
Yeah, telegram wires and shit got burned up.
Like that's, you start, we get to that kind of point with the poles flipping and stuff.
I mean, I can't predict what's going to happen.
I don't think pretty much anybody's going to be able to predict exactly what's going to happen because you got electricity doing the earth is our ground.
I mean, it's half of all of our electricity.
The earth is half of the.
Equation.
So you start fucking with that polarity in our society where everything's electrical.
Yeah.
It's just going to get weird.
It's going to, we're going to be definitely in uncharted waters.
Didn't the WEF, didn't that have something to do with Gobekli Tepe as well?
So, yes, and no.
So this is conspiracy.
And I'm the one that had kind of blasted that out.
Basically, I suggested that there is a correlation between the WEF and Gobekli Tepe as well as a Ganung Penang.
So, Gobekli Tepe has essentially, as of 2015, the Dojis Group, which is a conglomerate, a business conglomerate in Turkey made up of 250 companies, the CEO of it is a longtime member of the World Economic Forum.
And since the Dojis Group took control of Gobekli Tepe, excavations have diminished and slow.
And now they say it's going to be a 150 year timeframe.
And then I saw that Ganang Padang, the minister of the Ministry of Research, Education, Technology, whatever it is in Indonesia, is also a known global shaper of the World Economic Forum.
So I suggested.
That the World Economic Forum could be playing a role in preventing excavation.
And in my mind, it would be because they don't want anything to contradict the man made climate change narrative.
Let me be clear this is a conspiracy theory and it may not be based on truth.
I have more doubts now than I did back then when I suggested it in the video.
I still think it's possible.
But for this to be true, I'm going to need to see this at other ancient sites around the world.
So as of right now, I think it's responsible for me to say that the WF connection, although there may be something sinister there because the WF wants 15 minute cities.
They want to get rid of gas powered cars and stoves.
These people are insane.
They're the initiative.
They're the ones that are perpetuating that out to the world.
So I'm like, these people are not looking out for our best interests.
But it could be far fetched to make that correlation.
And a lot of people have given me flack for it.
So I acknowledge that it might not be based on truth.
But here's what I do know the people running the show at Gobekli Tepe have, and this is all in writing, they are no longer doing the large scale excavations that they were doing in years prior.
They're focusing now on conservation of the site.
And they now say that there's a 150 year timeframe of when it'll be fully excavated.
Now, the naysayers will come out and say, well, we never fully excavate sites as it is.
I'm like, okay, that's true.
However, Gobekli Tepe is a bit interesting in that it's made up of concentric circles of, or I shouldn't say concentric circles, pillars, T shaped pillars that are in circular enclosures.
And they've only excavated somewhere between 5% and 10% of this entire site.
The most recent study on Gobekli Tepe suggests that it may be the world's oldest lunar solar calendar, which is.
Super interesting considering it's almost 12,000 years old, or at least was buried 11,600 years ago.
It could be older.
The best data we have on it is 11,600 years old, at least the time of its burial.
And so, since there are more than 100 of these T shaped pillars that are still buried, all of which seemingly are depicting something, could be telling us a story.
Some people suggest that it was purposely buried to preserve knowledge of the past or that it was documenting a cataclysm.
That's all conjecture.
What I do know is that we're never going to fully understand what this site was until we fully excavate at least.
The pillars.
Dig up all the pillars is what I'm advocating for.
And if it's a 12,000 year old lunar solar calendar, that right there is significant because the people, the academics will say that this was built by primitive hunters and gatherers.
This is not evidence of a civilization, Danny.
This is not evidence of a civilization.
This is, you know, and I'm like, man, this site is so sophisticated.
I don't think this was built by random cavemen people.
Right.
Like, this is, there's more to the story than that.
And so, especially if it's a lunar solar calendar, that is, That is mathematical brilliance.
The lunar solar calendar comes from Dr. Martin Swetman.
And one of the things he's gotten a lot of grief for is that he interprets a lot of the animal symbols as different constellations.
And other people have interpreted different animal symbols as different things.
And then there are other people that are very skeptical and they say these are just fucking animals, man.
You know, what are you getting into here?
This could even be proto language and stuff here.
The thing is, is that we've got every pillar we look at, we see new symbols.
Every pillar we on Earth, we see new symbols on.
We, this is further back than anything we've seen like this.
There's no reason for us to not.
There is a lexicon of old iconography staring us in the face.
It's buried under fucking ground.
And they're advocating not digging it up because we don't normally do that.
Well, look, man, if you go to fucking Greece, you dig up a column, the next column and the last column were the same.
But we know at Gobekli Tepe, you dig up a T pillar, the next T pillar and the last T pillar were different.
So dig up more fucking pillars, man.
This is not the same thing.
And they have, let me just be clear.
This is not a matter of funding.
The Dojis Group had poured in $15 million from the get go to install.
So, this is where the real controversy comes in they had built all the infrastructure for tourism out there the roads, the sidewalks, the viewing platforms, and the roofing structure.
And it was in the name of tourism and conservation.
And unfortunately, that caused a lot of destruction to the ruins in the process.
The wife of the late Klaus Schmidt, who was the initial excavator of the site, was an archaeologist herself.
And then, when she was invited out there in 2018, following The construction of these platforms, she went public and documented that they had poured concrete on ruins, that some of these roads were put on top of ruins.
She said there was destruction to ancient ruins out there, and she got a ton of flack for it.
This is an archaeologist sharing what she witnessed.
She had worked the site with Klaus Schmidt.
And so I suggest that, like, two things one, it's incompetence and mismanagement.
They blew it, they fucked up when they built these things.
But on top of it, The fact that this stuff is on top of ruins signifies what I've been saying, which is that it's preventing a full excavation of the site in the first place.
It's an issue.
And, you know, it's like they fucked up.
And same thing with the trees.
Okay, it wasn't nefarious because this is where the conspiracy is they planted a species of tree that is illegal to cut down.
And by having the trees there, you can't fully excavate it.
That's conspiracy.
Or maybe it's just money and the people, the farmers that sold it, are just trying to make a buck.
And they all fucked up in the process by allowing the trees to be planted where they were.
Whatever it is, there are unanswered questions about our past under the ground at Quebec Litepe.
And I think it is entirely inexcusable to not dig up those pillars, especially with a study that it could be a lunar solar calendar.
Like, this is important.
This is showing that humans were more advanced than what they were supposed to have been 11,600 years ago.
And, you know, so I look at these things and I'm like, that even ties into the.
Flint Dibble, Graham Hancock debate.
And I'm like, you know, they're arguing about different things.
And I'm like, hey, we need to focus on the fact that, like, there are answers waiting to be dug up.
And they won't even agree with us there.
They won't even get on board with that.
And that's where it's really fucked, let's be honest.
I mean, that's just off the goddamn rails.
Yeah.
And let me say something else, if I may.
One of the other pushback that he gave to not fully dig it up is like they said, and this is according to Dr. Lee Claire, the head of field work there, said that, well, we're going to wait for technological developments to advance before we further the dig.
And I'm like, what?
Like, is there a magical shovel that's waiting to be invented?
Is there like a new pressure hose that doesn't exist?
Because, like, honestly, these are just stone pillars that are buried in dirt.
Right.
And if there had been an issue in the past, let's just say they had broken a few pillars, they're like, they're digging them up and they're breaking them in the process.
I could understand the argument, which is like, okay, let's take a step back.
We're ruining the site.
That has not happened.
This is not an issue.
They're just like pulling, they're gaslighting.
The only technology they're going to need to save stuff would be stuff to like, stop the damage, undo the damage.
The tree roots did I mean?
Come on at this point, at this point, clearly like again there's, there's stuff there that we don't know.
It's about the prehistory of humanity, some of the earliest most complicated iconography we've seen anywhere from that time period.
For sake man, just we want it's.
It's like if we had two manuscripts and you know where the rest of them are.
You're gonna want to read the rest of them.
It's, it's.
And the opposition to it honestly is one of the things that is um, It makes a guy like me even get a little conspiratorial, because there is no fucking reason on God's green earth to not want.
It's one thing for them to say, okay, man, you know, it's going to cost a lot of money.
It's going to be, this is going to be a problem.
This is, but the, how much could it possibly cost?
But the vitriol.
Nothing.
Fuck.
The vitriol that we've seen from it's insane.
Yeah.
No, it's a shame.
Here's a fun little fact, which is that most of the people that are digging out there aren't getting paid to do it because they're PhD students that are doing their field work.
Right.
And so it's like, bro, I would dig out there for free.
Right.
Invite me out there.
Okay, I'll do a, you know, A half day's work until my hands are blistered.
And, but like, no, it doesn't cost, it costs money.
You got to feed people, you got to house them.
Like, it's nothing's free in this world.
But just to be clear, no one at the site that runs it has said that this is about money.
And there's, we live, there's a lot of money out there.
And if it was about money, oh my God, they could, they could crowdfund that.
That is not, it's not about money because that's what some of the people say.
Well, you know, things cost money.
And I'm like, okay, but just to be clear, the Dosius Group is a billion dollar conglomerate and they're not short of funding here.
And they haven't said that they were, and it's not an issue, and it is just inexcusable.
And, like you said, there's not a reason in God's green earth to not further study it.
And if I had to come up with a conspiracy on why they would not want to do it, is that considering the evidence shows that Quebec Litepe was buried 11,600 years ago, the same time of the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe, perhaps there's information there that would illuminate that.
Perhaps it's the very fact that this site is, I think, very strong evidence.
To show, like as Graham Hancock puts it, and they just blow him off, but it's like this site is an enigma.
This is not supposed to exist 11,600 years ago.
And then the academic naysayers come out and say, well, it's not that impressive as it is.
There's no reason to rule out that this wasn't created by primitive hunters and gatherers.
And I'm like, have you seen the damn thing?
Like cutting these stones, 20 tons, you know, it's like, and the fact that it could be a lunar solar calendar, that's advanced.
Right.
Not only that, with them saying that it can't be built by hunter gatherers, I'm old enough to have been like studying anthropology as a young adult when.
That was the way that it went down was humans harvested food.
They stored food.
We have a surplus of food.
Then we build.
That's when that's when we start actually making things before that.
We've just built these primitive granaries.
After that, we started building building megaliths and cities.
And so Gobekli Tepe turned that completely on its ear.
Now they've rewrote that order.
They're like, well, I guess you could get a surplus of food from hunting and gathering and then build and then and then build a city.
And that could make you want to become a farmer and become more sedentary.
It's they that one site is so enigmatic that it flipped things 180 degrees in that regard.
And it's still like.
That might even be part of the reason that they're kind of opposed to digging it up.
It might still be a little bit of a black spot in some of the older guys' eyes.
I mean, it might just irritate them a little.
And one other thing to say about it is that didn't, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I remember, Flint Dibble, one of his arguments against Graham Hancock when discussing Gobekli Tepe on the Rogan podcast debate was the lack of evidence of farming, correct?
Of agriculture?
That's right.
I'm like, that doesn't prove a lack of a civilization.
Like, I'm not, no one's really suggesting Gobekli Tepe was somebody's home.
Right.
And it's like, well, because, you know, it's like, Where's the evidence of the agriculture?
They'd have to grow food to live.
And I'm like, that's not proof at all that it wasn't constructed by people.
Or I don't even, to me, I'm like, that's a side point.
I'm like, they got food from somewhere else.
It doesn't, or the farm is gone.
Like, let's be real.
Are we really going to pretend that evidence of growing plants is 100% going to survive after almost 12,000 years?
Well, the assumption would be that the crop survived, right?
So, like, or that we could find it in the record from back in those times and find the genetic changes and variations and stuff.
In it, but that's something that they really are like it's spotty.
The record, like what I talked about before the rice thing, it's really, really difficult to pin down when certain crops became domesticated and when they didn't.
And it's the going back and genetics.
When I was studying that stuff, the genetics on that was sometimes the margin of error.
When you get back 10, 12,000 years and you're looking at fucking seeds and stuff, sometimes that margin of error is half of that date.
Oh, 6,000 years, give or take.
Well, fuck.
I mean, and I think we should consider the fact that the climate has changed.
Significantly since 12,000 years ago.
When I look at the Sahara Desert, we're in a climate dip right now, are we?
Yeah.
Like a huge climate dip.
Yeah.
You know, and if I always like to bring up the Sahara, like this needs to get people's minds going, which is that if the Sahara was a lush green tropical paradise up until 5,000 years ago, imagine how much differently the region of Turkey would have been as well, which isn't all that far north of it.
Like it's geographically, if you look at the globe, it's kind of right there.
It's not right there, but it's not far.
And I'm like, what we're seeing at Turkey today being Pretty barren, at least in the region of Gobekli Tepe.
Like, who knows what that climate was like 12,000 years ago?
Right.
You know, and has since erased whatever was there.
I don't know.
You're right.
And a lot of that stuff, like they can tell climates in some ways, but usually, like an area like Turkey, they're not going to be able to get a whole lot of data for that far back.
Usually they go to like ice or a bog or something like that where the weather is somewhat recorded in the record.
But an area like Turkey where it's just all like sand and dust, man, they.
They can give you some inkling of what the climate was like a long time ago.
Like they can tell you about the Green Sahara a little bit, but they're not, it's nothing like they could tell you about parts of the world where it's colder or hotter or wetter.
Like they can give you some pretty accurate dating about England because of those pink bogs, peat bogs.
So yeah, there's a lot of stuff they just spitball on.
A lot of stuff that's a framework that they've built based on different things.
Like a Greenland ice cores end up being like this huge part or the Barbados coral.
That's how they measure the sea level around the entire fucking world.
Coral Insights into Past Climate00:02:01
Where?
Barbados.
Really?
Yeah, because it's on the edge of a continental shelf, so it's considered the least likely to go up and down.
And the coral is very stable and been there for a long time, so they actually go measure.
The coral in Barbados.
Yeah, they measure.
That's how they measure the sea level rise.
That's wild.
Wow, that is wild.
I had no idea.
And then that measurement, they will apply.
And it's been the same for how long?
To the globe.
I forget exactly how long.
A long time.
Yeah.
It's where they go to do it.
So again, a lot of it's just hypothetical.
They assume that because it's on the edge of a continental shelf, that it hasn't moved much.
Over time, but if it has moved, it's entirely wrong.
The island is rising due to tectonic activity with an average uplift rate of about 30 centimeters every thousand years.
The steady uplift has allowed the island to lift up its encircling coral reefs, creating a staircase like topography that extends from the shoreline to the highest points of the island.
Hmm.
The highest point, Mount Hilleby, records sea levels back to 640,000 years ago.
Yeah.
That's bizarre, man.
And so, yeah, all from one spot.
It's crazy.
But I love science because of that.
But it's also, I always find it interesting to look under the hood a little bit because the things that are presented with such certainty, we know exactly where the sea level was in South Africa at this time.
Well, actually, we measure that in Barbados.
Right.
Well, hey, you guys got flights to catch.
Oh, shit.
So, thank you guys so much for coming.
I really appreciate it.
This has been a super fun conversation.
We just did like three hours and 40 minutes.
Wow.
Danny, it was a pleasure.
Thanks for the invite.
Let's do it again.
Thanks for the invite.
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