Tim Hogan, Grand Master of the Order of the Sovereign Temple of Initiates, claims Templars preserved ancient alchemical secrets and hidden bones of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and John the Baptist in vaults across the American Northwest and Istanbul. He alleges these remains, potentially verified via DNA against Talpiot fragments, were moved from Oak Island after 1765 to protect them from Vatican suppression. Hogan asserts that cathedrals like Notre Dame encode Hermetic principles, while the Holy Grail symbolizes consciousness rather than a physical cup. Ultimately, he argues that accepting these artifacts challenges modern Christian doctrine by validating Gnostic views of reincarnation and divine awakening over traditional resurrection narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
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Knights Templar Origins00:07:49
When you start messing around with ideas that people aren't comfortable with in the past, it's been kind of dangerous, you know?
Yeah.
The history of the Templars is pretty crazy.
You guys got persecuted.
First of all, how are you associated with the Knights Templar?
So I'm the Grand Master.
I'm the Grand Master of the Order of the Sovereign Temple of Initiates, which is.
Just like a modern conglomerate of different Templar lineages.
When I say lineages, when the Templar order was suppressed in 1307, it had to go underground and it survived in different pockets, right?
In different areas, and those pockets kind of grew independently.
And at different periods of time, they've kind of come back together, and then at other times, they've separated again.
And so, there's there's uh, about Half a dozen strains of Templar lineages out there.
But they all come together in the order of the Temple of Sovereign Initiates, which is I'm the head of.
And how did you get into it from the beginning?
When you were a child, or were your parents into this stuff?
Yeah.
Yeah, my dad was.
My grandparents were on both sides of my family.
Yeah.
And, uh, yeah, I was brought into it at eight.
So, how so?
Were you initiated?
Yeah, I was initiated.
What was that like?
Well, it was a page initiation.
I thought, um, you know, I was led into a council.
There was a bunch of people and, uh, you know, dressed in cloaks and stuff, adults.
It totally freaked me out.
You know, I didn't know what was going on.
And, uh, and, uh, you know, I was put before this council.
They basically said that I had.
Fulfilled my duties of becoming a page, and I had to take an oath of chivalry, and then I had to kneel.
They dubbed me as a page.
But I will tell you, as an eight year old, when you see a guy coming up in front of you and you're kneeling and he has a big sword, I thought I was gonna be like a sacrifice or something.
I didn't, it was terrifying at first.
Did you have to kiss the silver head?
No, no, I didn't have to kiss the silver head, but they, but they, you know, they, yeah, they, they, uh, They dubbed me, and that was the beginning of the journey.
Yeah.
Wow.
So, like, what was childhood when you were being raised as a child?
Yeah.
Like, what kind of things did you guys do to, like, I mean, obviously that was a pretty unique experience at eight years old.
Yeah.
It was unique.
I wasn't the only one going through it, but it was, yeah, I mean, we were given, you know, started out, you know, we were taught to, Virtues that we're supposed to embody.
You know, it wasn't anything too esoteric.
It was very, you know, how do you perform humble service and how do you act with humility and meekness in the world and don't take yourself too seriously and how do you do things without want or need of recognition, that type of deal.
And later, you know, it became a little more esoteric because then you realize that.
what you're being humble to is really your own higher self, your own higher spirit, you know, your own, the person you're striving to be, you know.
And if you listen to that, then things usually work out well for you.
And then how did you end up being a grand master?
Yeah, so that took a lot of time.
So I went through a lot of different orders, a lot of different degrees.
I studied a lot of different traditions and eventually I was joined an organization that was known as Circe's International, which was a French tradition.
It's French Templar tradition.
It was, you didn't know it was a Templar tradition until you were in it for a while.
But then what they did is they, I went through, I became a Grand Preceptor and then I became a Grand Commander, which was.
Basically, in charge of a region.
So, like the region I was in charge of was North America.
And then.
There's no grand wizards, are there?
No, no grand wizards.
He's nothing like that.
Is that like KKK?
Nothing like that.
No, total opposite of KKK.
In fact, the grand commander before me was a black man by the name of Dr. Onslow Wilson.
Oh, really?
There's black folks in the Night Templar?
Oh, wow.
Yeah, there's black folks.
There's women.
Oh, wow.
You name it.
So, Native American, Indigenous Native Americans.
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
I mean, it's.
So, like, at what point did your parents sit you down and say, son, you're a part of the Knights Templar?
Do you know what the Knights Templar are?
It wasn't even like that.
It was, you know, it's like they got me in this program as a kid that I went through till I got to an adult, the age of an adult.
And then I.
I started, I was trying to figure out where this was all coming from.
You know, like they didn't say it was Templar based.
They didn't say Templars started this tradition.
They just, it was just this thing that I went through.
And, but then by the time I got an adult, I started looking into it more and I started realizing there was this whole other movement behind it.
And, and I remember, One of my first things I was going to do is I was going to go.
I realized it was somewhat connected with Freemasonry.
Yes.
So at 18, I was like, well, I'm going to go try to go down to a Masonic lodge and see if I could get in and what that's about, what the connection is.
And I remember I was in college and I went to my mom's house and I was doing laundry at her house.
And I said, you know, I'm thinking about becoming a Freemason potentially.
And my mom said, oh, you know, everybody in your family belongs to that.
You should talk to your grandfather.
And I was like, what?
I had no clue.
And so then I went and talked to my grandfather.
I found out my other grandfather was also very much involved.
I found out my dad had been involved.
And then it just kind of went from there.
And within Freemasonry, there's the standard, what's known as the Blue Lodge, which is three degrees where someone becomes a Master Mason.
Alchemy And Medicine Rites00:04:49
And then once they become a Master Mason, they can go into what's known as the York Rite or the Scottish Rite.
And both of these systems have a whole other series of degrees, but both of them culminate in Knight Templar degrees.
And so I did that.
I actually ended up doing both.
Became a Knight Templar in the York Rite, became a 32nd degree Mason in the Scottish Rite.
And then.
What kind of shit do you have to do to become that high level of a Mason?
Like, what do you have to learn stuff?
Yeah, you learn stuff.
You have to memorize a bunch of stuff.
Like what?
They give you things to memorize so that that's basically like.
The outline of the ritual itself.
And the reason is if every Mason in the world died tomorrow and you were the last person, you could rebuild the entire system based on what you had memorized.
And those degrees have within them moral instruction, but also they give you the keys for a number of things, including.
The science of alchemy, so you can make your own medicines.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
And as well as the blueprints for rebuilding civilization should it collapse again.
What kind of medicines can you make or do you learn to make?
Well, you learn the fundamental process of how you can take an herb, also, how you can take a metal and break it down into a solution, get rid of impurities, and.
And then turn it into something else, you know, that's good for you, that's more potent.
So, you know, you'd go through stages of digestion, distillation, calcination, extract the oils, the salts, rebuild it all back together, and create a medicine.
So you learn how to do that with the.
It's the building blocks are the same for all medicines in terms of what you start with and then how you extract this stuff at the end.
But you can also, you know, one of the herbs or one of the plants that's emphasized within Freemasonry in particular is the acacia.
And if you do these processes to the acacia, you can extract certain forms of acacia, you can extract DMT.
Out of it.
So, you know, it's one of the undercurrents to the Masonic tradition.
And it was something that they had inherited from the Knights Templar as they were traveling in the Middle East, in the Holy Land, and meeting with groups like the Druze and the Sabaeans and others who were passing on this alchemical tradition and who were translating alchemical texts from the Greek and Roman and.
Egyptian times.
Is it common practice within Freemasonry to take DMT and to do these psychedelics?
I wouldn't say it's common practice.
There are brothers who do.
But the process is there.
I mean, the process for extracting it is the same as you would for any other herb.
You know, you do through the same process.
It just so happens that.
So psychedelics aren't necessarily a part of that?
No, they're not necessarily part of it.
There have been Masonic rites throughout history that have done that to a certain degree.
I mean, I would recommend the works of P.D. Newman.
He's written a number of books that specifically focus on that in particular.
But yeah, so that's part of it.
I mean, if I think there's a lot of subtleties in Freemasonry and the ritual that is, they don't necessarily tell you directly what they're telling you.
Does that make sense?
Solomon's Flying Ship Myth00:08:57
You go through these initiations and they will subject you to weird things.
And those weird things don't make rational sense.
Like what?
What kind of weird things?
Well, it's just like, you know, for example, you may have a ritual where you only have one shoe on, you know?
And, you know, it's just, at first it may seem like a form of hazing, but then you realize it's actually trying to emphasize.
You know, your left side of your body, for example.
And they're trying to, between the degrees, they're trying to bring you into balance with yourself.
And, but they'll also talk about things that just don't make sense.
Like, one of my favorite ones is there's a, there's a, in the third degree, there's a ship captain.
They do these, These plays for the person, for the candidate.
And in the third degree, there's this ship captain, and it's these bad people that are trying to get on this ship to go to Ethiopia from Jerusalem.
And most people don't think anything of it.
And it's King Solomon's ship captain, right?
And it's King Solomon's ship.
And these bad people can't get on King Solomon's ship that goes from.
From Jerusalem to Ethiopia.
Well, you got to remember Freemasonry largely standardized its rituals by the early 1700s.
And there is no way to sail from Jerusalem to Ethiopia, right?
You couldn't sail from Jerusalem to Ethiopia until the Suez Canal was built, which was recently, right?
So then you have to ask yourself, well, what kind of ship is it?
And the answer is at the same time that ritual was being developed, there was a Freemason who was also a Templar by the name of Bruce.
Bruce was his name.
But he was with the Scottish Royal Society.
And he had just discovered this new Ethiopian text called the Kebre Nagast.
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And in this text, it talks about King Solomon's flying ship and how King Solomon would fly from.
Jerusalem to Ethiopia in his flying ship.
Who wrote this?
It's an ancient Coptic text.
What's the name of the text?
The Kebra Nagast.
And it's.
Kebra?
Yeah, Kebra Nagast.
It's Ethiopian.
Nagast.
Yeah, it's Ethiopian text.
Oh, here you go.
Yep.
And in it, it talks about King Solomon's flying ship and how he would travel in a few hours, which would normally take people several days.
Can you find when this was written?
You know?
Well, it was first discovered and translated in English in the early 1700s.
He had done it for the Scottish Royal Society.
But the text is believed to be quite ancient and something that was preserved by the Coptic Church there.
But the fact that it talks about King Solomon's flying ship.
That's really what is being emphasized in the ritual.
So here's this Masonic ritual from the 1700s that is emphasizing King Solomon's flying ship that would allow you to go from Jerusalem to Ethiopia by flying.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
And fun.
Yeah.
Very fun.
And there are actually areas around the Middle East where there are big mesas that are known as the Thrones of Solomon.
And according to the local legend, that's where Solomon would land his ship was on top of these.
Oh, really?
Yeah, these big plateaus.
I don't know.
I can only guess.
What's your best guess?
Well, I will say this King Solomon was known in particular for the manufacturing of mana in the Bible.
Mana was this mysterious substance.
In fact, it says that King Solomon received 666 talents of gold a year in exchange for this.
And that number 666 in the ancient world was the number of transformation.
So as a Templar, we're pretty sure we know what that mana is.
And it's gold that's been converted into a monoatomic state.
where it turns into this white powder that the Egyptians have depicted all over their temple walls.
And this mana is superconductive when it's converted to this state.
And it causes things to weigh less.
Like a container holding the mana will weigh less than a container filled with nothing, the same container filled with nothing.
So it's causing a weight displacement or a anti gravity effect, and this is how why the mana was stored in the Ark of the Covenant, which would have weighed several tons, but two people could carry it with rods, right?
Because it was causing the weight displacement.
And we find the same word mana all over the ancient world associated with flying craft, really?
Yeah, so uh, where so, like in India.
These flying craft that are found in the Vedic tests are known as Vimana.
In ancient Sumer, the flying craft that the Anunnaki or the sky gods were flying around in were known as Shimana.
We find the same word in Polynesian cultures as being manna.
Moai sculptures and stuff.
Ancient Words And Roots00:06:54
In Buddhist traditions, it's not called mana, but it's called mani.
So, or chintamani.
But it's.
I didn't know these languages shared similar roots.
They do, yeah.
Which proves that there was a.
What about in Hebrew?
Is there a word for it in Hebrew?
In Hebrew, it's mana.
Yeah, mana.
Because I know for a fact there was.
There's this author, John Allegro, who wrote a book called Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
Yeah.
And the basis of his whole book was connecting root words or connecting Sumerian roots to Hebrew roots, trying to figure out what was going on.
But one of the foundational problems, I think, with his book is that none of the Hebrew roots, the Hebrew roots do not match any of the Sumerian roots at all.
Like they're completely separate languages.
Yeah, they have to, in order to trace Hebrew, you have to go back to Egyptian.
Now, there's a lot of Jewish listeners who may not like that idea just because there's been tension between Egypt and Israel over the centuries.
But in fact, if you look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs, so if you look at the letter hieroglyphs, the hieroglyphs for each letter, for example, the letter M. In Egyptian hieroglyphs, it is an owl, right?
It's a, it's the hieroglyph is an owl.
Well, you can trace that into the Phoenician, which is like the cousins of the Egyptians.
And in the Phoenician, the letter M looks like the top of the owl's head.
And then if you take that Phoenician, it goes, it becomes Hebrew.
And the letter Mem in Hebrew looks just like that.
owl head that came from the Phoenicians.
You can trace it directly.
You can do that with all the letters.
And there's a lot of words in Egyptian, ancient Egyptian, that are the same today in Hebrew.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So it actually goes back to the Egyptian.
But an example of that is, for example, in ancient Egypt, the word for truth is mat.
All right.
Mat means truth or universal order.
And in Hebrew, the word for truth is mat.
So it's the same word.
And in fact, the word for, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mat, mat was the word for truth in Hebrew is amat.
Emmet, Emmat, but it's very similar to Mat.
Okay.
And in ancient Egyptian, Mat was also a goddess who presided over the dead.
And the word for death, or, yeah, death in Hebrew is Mat.
So it's tied in.
It's just people aren't used to looking at it that way.
How come every Freemason I've ever met is super knowledgeable about ancient Egypt stuff?
Well, it's, it's, it's, I think we all acknowledge it goes back to that.
I mean, so one of the things that happened is when the Templar Order was formed, it was formed about 1096.
Yeah.
By 1118, it was setting up shop in Jerusalem.
And then from there, they went down into Egypt and they set up a commandery at the Temple of Isis at Philae.
And in fact, if you go to the Temple of Isis at Philae to this day, There's Templar crosses carved all throughout the temple.
So you'll see the Egyptian hieroglyphs and stuff, and then you'll see the Templars, you know, put in their crosses too to mark their territory.
But they, and then from there, they spread out to all the major temples in Egypt, and they were doing study and research.
And in fact, there's even a room, if you go to the Temple of Seti I at Abydos, There's a room there that is closed to the public.
But if you're able to get into it, it has a depiction on the wall of one of these arks, like the Ark of the Covenant, that the Egyptians were transporting.
It shows a pharaoh, presumably Seti I, holding his hand out with a mound cake of this white mana, which was this monoatomic substance.
And then you'll see graffiti of three red Templar crosses done clear back in the 1100s.
Around the ark that was depicted on there.
Are there images we can find on the internet of this?
Yeah, I.
No, I have images of it.
You do?
Yeah.
I don't have any way.
I don't know how I could get it to you right now.
Is it on your phone?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you could send it, can you send it to me and I can pay it to Steven?
He can throw it on the TV and we can look at it.
Sure, sure.
So you've been in this temple?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you said it's not open to the public.
Yeah, that room is not open to the public.
And why not?
Why wouldn't it be open?
Uh.
There's a couple reasons.
One is because of the Red Templar crosses on it.
The Muslims, you know, it's a Muslim country still.
Egypt's still a Muslim country.
And they're not comfortable with the cross being depicted anywhere.
Really?
Yeah.
That's one.
Because they don't believe that Jesus died on the cross.
In the Quran, it says that someone else was.
It says that the people were taken in by an appearance.
But, oh, here we go.
The Ark Of The Covenant00:03:11
Hang on.
So this is you.
Yeah.
So, and then you see those three red crosses on the wall.
Yeah.
And then between them, I mean, it's pretty faded, but.
He can zoom.
Yeah.
If you go up between the crosses, the three crosses, that's an arc right there on the.
Oh, sure.
It's an arc?
Yeah, arc, like the Ark of the Covenant.
So, how is it an arc?
Well, so it's a box that is, yeah, that is.
The Ark of the Covenant is in there?
Right.
That's the Ark of the Covenant.
I mean, that's, well, it's an Ark of the Covenant.
I mean, the Ark of the Covenant in the Bible was based on these arcs that you find throughout Egypt.
All the temples of Egypt at one point in time had one of these boxes.
And we believe, from a Templar perspective, we believe these boxes were electrostatic capacitors.
And that they were a remnant of a lost technology from a pre civilization like Atlantis.
Really?
Yeah.
And that they were brought to Egypt to be preserved during the last cataclysm.
And Egypt had these in all of their temples at one point in time.
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Like that's for real?
That's real?
Like those are how many of those exist?
Well, we have six.
The Templar Order has six right now buried in vaults here in the United States.
But there are others out there.
I mean, there's supposedly one in Ethiopia right now at a church in Ethiopia.
And how do they work?
What they do is they're built of multiple layers.
Of acacia wood and gold, and they just start to build up static electricity within them.
And when you put that mana in there, which is that, there's the ancient helicopter.
Yeah, the middle on the right, right there, right there.
God, that looks just like a helicopter, huh?
Right.
You can see another little, you can see some other.
Is that real?
Yeah, yeah, it's on a lintel.
That looks like Jeff Bezos' super yacht.
Up there on the top, yeah.
No, that's that's the that's uh that's there at Abydos, it's at the temple of City the First.
It's on a pillar, uh, high, it's high up, but it's near the entrance of the temple.
And yeah, so can you zoom in on that again, Steve, on our another one, maybe a bigger one?
Yeah, so check this out because this one up here has like a bow that is not the same.
That's not what it looks like.
I know it's not, it's so weird.
Oh, here's another one, yeah, no, that's low, super low res.
You know what?
I'll search for hybrids.
You have to click on it, then zoom in on it, bro.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to photograph and do it differently because it's up pretty high, you know.
But you can.
There we go.
That's nice and clean.
Dude, look at that.
Yeah.
That's like some sort of moth or something or crazy insect on the left.
It's almost like.
So you can clearly see what looks like the Apache helicopter.
It looks like a helicopter, right?
And then that looks like the.
Like it definitely looks like a submarine below it, right?
And then the thing on the top, yeah, it's either like a hand, like an elongated hand, and it kind of looks like a yacht, yeah, yeah.
Well, so it's got a wing, so that it's almost like a fat plane.
And then down below it is a, it almost looks like that thing that Luke Skywalker was in in the first movie, you know, when he's going around.
Do we know when this was carved?
Is there any way to find that out?
I mean, there's the standard archaeological explanation, and then there's the alternative theory.
Right.
The alternative theory suggests that it's.
Yeah, but there's got to be somewhere to date.
There's no way to carbon date this.
No way to carbon date it.
You know, I mean, carbon dating is based on when things were burned in the area.
Right, right, right.
Things have been burned in the area for forever.
So it's.
But some of the earliest pharaohs are actually buried in the backyard of this temple, so to speak.
And right below the temple, like literally in the backyard of this temple, is another area that's known as the Osirian.
And the Osirian is arguably the oldest megalithic structure in Egypt.
That place is crazy looking.
Totally crazy.
And it's all fit together like jigsaw puzzle, and it, You remember, Steve, do you remember when we had the snake bros on here?
Oh, yeah.
And they were showing us all those cuts of the Osirian.
Yeah.
And then the water, they don't know where the water is coming from.
I think it's probably a natural spring or something.
Yeah.
Originally, they thought it was Nile water, but it's not Nile water.
And it goes down.
I mean, from what you see is just at the top of water level, but the water level goes down another 40 feet.
See if you can find an image of the corner cuts of the Osirian, where they show the wall joints coming together.
And the overlap.
Like it looks as if they just stacked all these stones in a big pile and then cut through them to create the negative space.
Yep.
See if I can find it.
Well, those are, you know, you have to keep in mind that each one of those stones is almost 100 tons, you know?
I mean, the big ones.
You can't really see it there.
Yeah.
This has been ground down and this is the original stone right there.
It just like.
Fine.
Just type in like Snake Bros. Osirian and you'll find it.
Snake Bros.
So, like this, so this is like the basically the backyard of the temple of Seti I at Abydos.
And then, you know, the temple was built up above it.
And in that temple, that's where they had one of these arcs that the Templars found.
Really?
Yeah.
And then, and that's also where those hieroglyphs are of the helicopter.
Is that it?
Yeah.
Well, it doesn't show the grind marks.
You can't see it.
So, like that corner piece, it would have been one stone.
Yeah, it's usually the lentils.
We're having trouble finding it right now.
Yeah, you have to look at the lentils.
What's this?
The, uh, yeah.
No, these were close up photos, man.
Yeah.
Here, I'm typing.
But the whole place is very mysterious.
Yeah, I mean, do you know the conventional explanation to how those stones are cut there?
No, they don't know, to be honest.
I mean, they know it's rose granite, they know it comes from Aswan, which is, uh, 500 miles away, yeah, and uh, you know, not only that, but you have to go over a mountain range, right, and then back down to the Nile if you're going to transport them.
Um, there's a lot of mystery surrounding it, and uh, uh, it's to this day, I mean, it's uh, they don't know where the water's coming from.
I'm assuming it's a natural spring, yeah, but but again, so at that level where you're seeing it.
That water level, it goes down 40 feet.
Right.
Even below that, you know, so it's a huge structure.
You gotta send a scuba team down there.
Yeah.
See what's down there.
Yeah.
I am under the opinion, this is just my conjecture, that they were taking the water from there, they're bringing it up into the temple up above, and they were doing alchemical processes in that temple.
And they were extracting from it these monoatomic elements that would go into the ark, which would generate tremendous power.
That's my.
Take on it now as far as cutting those stones.
Uh, there is a process, and I and I recently revealed this to the um Egyptian antiquities.
Uh, there's a plant that grows near a lot of the monuments in Egypt, and its scientific name was Dictapedalum.
And if you do these alchemical processes to it that are taught within Freemasonry, uh, where you, you know, if you were to do that to uh Acacia, you could extract DMT, but if you do it to this dictapetalum, what you extract is hydrofluoric acid.
And hydrofluoric acid eats through granite.
It melts granite.
It melts the silica in the granite.
Yeah.
And the only thing that stops that hydrofluoric acid are gold, lead, and beeswax.
And so.
You can't burn through gold, lead, or beeswax?
Correct.
So I think.
Well, I know what they probably did with a lot of the etching on granite was they would create a beeswax.
You know, they pour beeswax over it and then they cut out and create a template for what they wanted to be burned into the granite.
Interesting.
And then they just put a wash of the hydrofluoric acid on it and it would eat away into it and etch it.
I think this is also, if you go to Dendera, The temple of Hathor at Dendera, there's these staircases that appear to be melted, and there's all kinds of conjecture about how they got melted.
I think it was a hydrofluoric acid spill because they were doing that etching on the walls going up the staircase, and they must have had a spill and it just melted the stairs.
I had this dude on here named Jeffrey Drum, he has a channel called The Land of Chem in Egypt.
He lives right across the street from Giza.
Yep.
And he has this crazy, interesting.
Oh, yeah, there's the melted stairs.
He has a super compelling hypothesis on how they used the pyramids to create chemicals.
Like he thinks there were chemical manufacturing plants.
Sure.
And he says, even when you go inside one of those, I forget, I think it was a step pyramid maybe.
He said it smells like sulfuric acid.
Is that what it was, Steve?
It smells like ammonia.
Ammonia.
That's what it is.
Ammonia.
Yeah, he says that people, the conventional.
Explanation for it is from bats, but he says it doesn't make sense because for some reason it wouldn't smell like that all the way.
It smells the worst the deeper you get, like to the very deepest part of the pyramid.
Yeah.
And he has the diagrams of them and he lays it out really well on how it would have made perfect sense for those things to be manufacturing those chemicals.
And they would have been used to create fertilizer, to spur the growth of agriculture and all kinds of stuff there.
I think there's something to that.
They got these giant boxes down there, too, below the step pyramid.
And they have almost like a cork on them.
It's a stone cork.
And you can tell they were like a pressure cooker type of deal at one point in time so that steam could escape out.
But if you tried to pull a cork out, it wouldn't let you do it.
Right.
And there were also these bowls, these giant bowls that are like somewhere.
Like around that pyramid near the base, it looked like there was like these channels going through the rocks, and then these big, like bowls that looked like they were there to hold the whatever sort of chemical or whatever sort of fluid was coming out of those pyramids.
Quite possibly.
I mean, you have to remember our chem or chemit was the ancient name for Egypt, right?
And that's where we get alchemy from, and then from there came chemistry.
Right.
But it all goes back to Chem or Chemit, Egypt.
He also thinks that when in the Serapium, like there's these scoop marks that are cut out of those big granite boxes down there.
He thinks that they would have used these chemicals potentially to soften the stone to scoop out like cracks or whatever.
Because if those things were using sound or whatever to like resonate or whatever, there was like high energy in there, you wouldn't want cracks in there to fuck up the integrity of those boxes.
So they would scoop it.
I think that was the hydrofluoric acid that I was talking about.
Yeah.
I think that's exactly what they were using.
Yeah.
And in fact, we even find if you go to Aswan, the quarry where they got all these the stone from, you can find the the pocking from the acid in certain areas to this day around there.
And then even the the unfinished obelisk at Aswan that has those scoop marks going down the sides of it.
And I think that's just where they would pour the acid down, you know, and like and under it too, right?
And under it, yeah.
And then they would that's how they would start to shape it and uh.
Yeah, I'm sure that's what was going on.
So back to the Ark of the Covenant.
You said there's six that we have.
Yeah, there's six right now that we.
So.
Are there any pictures of them online?
No.
No.
Uh-uh.
No.
Why are they so secret?
They were moved here.
Well, first of all, they were moved here by.
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The latest ones were moved here by about 13.
1346, thereabouts.
So, what happened is that the order found, the temple order found all these, they found six of these arks.
There was probably a hundred in antiquity.
I mean, just based on the fact that every temple in Egypt had one at one point in time, which is clearly depicted on the temple walls all over Egypt.
But, Anyhow, the Templar Order gradually amassed six of these things, as well as other artifacts.
And they spent time bringing them up into Portugal, into Scotland, where they were able to, into France at one point in time before they were suppressed.
And then they were making secret travels over to the New World of the Americas.
And they had.
By the time the order was suppressed by 1314, completely suppressed by the Roman church, they had already mapped all of North America by that time.
And they brought these artifacts over and started, they formed alliances with certain indigenous native tribes here in the Americas.
And They hid all this stuff.
Part of the reason why Spain was so active in suppressing all these indigenous native groups here in the Americas when they started coming over is because they were looking for these artifacts.
And they knew that the Templars had alliances with the indigenous natives.
In fact, this is even the reason why when Columbus came over, He flew Templar crosses on his ship sails because he knew the natives would recognize him.
And he was trying to trick them so he could find those treasures for Spain.
And that's why Spain funded him.
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Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So he had.
Columbus had.
He had actually figured out that there was something going on on the other side of the Atlantic.
He.
He ended up pulling one of the grand master's daughters actually out of a convent and marrying her to try to get the maps.
Oh, really?
To get over to the New World.
Ambitious fella.
Yeah.
I mean, he was driven.
And then he went to Portugal and said, Fund me to go to the New World.
And of course, they were like, We already know there's land on the other side.
We've been traveling there because Portugal was largely founded as a Templar state.
And.
They're like, no thanks.
So then he went to Portugal's enemy, which was Spain.
And of course, Spain was happy to fund him.
So, right.
Yeah.
So you said the Ark of the Covenants, they have acacia wood and gold.
Yeah.
And it somehow creates like a static electricity.
Yeah, it builds up static electricity.
And especially when this mana, which is a monoatomic gold, is inside of it.
What it does is that monoatomic gold is superconductive.
Monoatomic gold.
Yeah.
So as it starts to build up static, then it's discharged through the top of it, you know, where the little angels are, their wings on top of the Ark of the Covenant.
It discharges electricity.
And of course, to the ancient people, they saw this as magic.
You know, they saw this as.
The presence of God.
And, but, but this is also why, even in the Bible, it says you couldn't touch the Ark of the Covenant because if you did, you would die because it would shock you to death, right?
And the only way to discharge that, that, uh, electricity is you'd have to take a rod like Aaron's rod that's described in the, um, in the Old Testament or the Torah.
You ground it and drop it against the Ark and it would cause all that electricity to go, grant, become grounded.
So then you could open it up.
But if you didn't do that, it could shock you.
This is also why, if you remember, or if you, I don't know how much biblical history you know, but like in the Torah or the Old Testament, it talks about Moses built this tabernacle in the wilderness to house the Ark of the Covenant.
And he built this tabernacle out of all these wool curtains, right?
And all these wool, this wool tent.
Well, wool is a.
Also, a collector of static electricity.
So, what all that did is it just allowed all that static electricity that the tabernacle was building up from the desert would, you know, would then go become condensed in the ark itself, which would then cause this static discharge regularly.
So, it's interesting.
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Like, this kind of history is so fascinating, but when you really look at it, the crazy thing about it is, like, Even going back to the sources, like for Noah, just for an example.
Sure.
Like Noah wasn't even written about until like 1,200 years after he died.
Correct.
Yeah, sure.
So imagine that today.
Imagine me and you having this conversation today.
Right.
And then it just like a cataclysm happens.
And then in a thousand years, oh, Tim and Danny had this conversation a thousand years ago.
Right.
What are the chances that the story is going to be anywhere near accurate?
I think there's a lot of metaphor that gets.
The story of Noah is a good example.
I mean, you know, we know there's flood myths all over the world, and the Noah story is just one of them.
But in the story of Noah, there's a.
Obviously, the earth is.
People become corrupt, they say, and then a flood happens, right?
Yeah.
And which wipes out civilization, and then Noah and maybe a few other people survive it, you know.
But in that story.
And that was written, when was that first written in the Septuagint?
Correct, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, for Genesis, yeah.
Okay.
One of the early books of Genesis.
So, which is 350 or something like that?
Steve, can you find out when the Septuagint was?
Yeah, and it was originally written, it was called the Septuagint because it was originally written in Greek.
Yes.
And then they translated it back into Hebrew, which is kind of interesting.
Oh, wow.
But that's not, that's a lot of people don't like, a lot of people don't say that.
A lot of people, most scholars, if you will, believe that it was originally Hebrew and translated into Greek.
Right.
But I've had a lot of people on here debating this fact.
And the biggest argument for it is that Greek was a much deeper, richer, complex language than Hebrew.
Right.
Like 1.2 million unique words.
Hebrew only has 7,000 unique words.
So, how do you take something like?
My question is, how do you take a language, if something was written in a language, right, that only has 7,000 unique words, and how are you going to translate it into something that has over a million, that has more complex, that uses one word to convey multiple words?
Like, if you take, there's words that you can use, that you can take in Greek, right?
Right.
And you can, and it would take three words in Hebrew to make that one word in Greek.
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
Yet, Greek has.
Like a thousand times more words.
Yeah, well, and there's, you know, I mean, you know, the common story is that the Greeks were concerned that Hebrew was going to become lost.
And so, and that those stories were going to become lost.
So they wrote them out in Greek in order to preserve them.
And that's, and then from there it got translated back into Hebrew.
There's some.
So, third century BC is roughly what.
Yeah, there's some argument for that because.
There are words in Hebrew, for example, that you find in those books, like the word shibboleth.
Shibboleth has come to mean a password, or it's come to mean a.
This is a Hebrew word?
Yeah, a water ford, a place where a water ford is in Hebrew.
But it's come to mean that.
But that word is actually a Greek word.
It comes from shibboleth, which is to conquer or victory, and lith, which is stone.
So shibboleth is to conquer a stone or to.
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And that's the real meaning of the word in Greek.
So that's one of those examples where there was a Greek that was put in there that just was kept in Hebrew and then it became something else, you know.
So, there are things like that.
Do you know what Christ means in Greek?
Yeah, Christos is universal consciousness.
But it's also tied to the Christos, which is the root.
Right.
And I had a classical philologist in here who spent his entire life reading and translating Greek.
And he.
Came up under John Scarborough, who's like one of the most legendary.
Yeah.
And basically told him when he was coming up through his PhD program, he's like, don't fuck with any secondary sources.
He's like, only go to original sources for everything.
Yeah.
And he's told me in here that the word, the root word for Christ, frio, or the word Christ or Christos in Greek, it actually means, according to him, to apply a drug to your eyes.
To apply a drug to your eyes.
I haven't heard that one.
So that they may be open.
Interesting.
That's cool, though.
I think there's something to that.
Yeah, from a Gnostic standpoint, that fits real well because there were a lot of Greek words that the Gnostics interpreted very differently than how modern Christians do.
For example, the word resurrection.
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Comes from the Greek word anastasis.
So in the Greek New Testament, the word that's usually translated into English as resurrection is the word anastasis.
But anastasis actually just means to wake up.
It's the opposite of stasis.
So stasis means to sleep, anastasis is to wake up.
Oh, wow.
So the Gnostics interpreted.
That is something very different than a bodily resurrection.
They interpret it as waking up to gnosis or divine experiential knowledge.
Hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
One of the other things that this gentleman, Amon Hillman, was explaining to me on the show was that Jesus was a big time drug guy.
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He was always on drugs, always performing, you know, participating in these rites.
And there was a thing they would do where they would get high on viper venom, on North African viper venom.
And what they, and the way he's, by the way, he has read, have you heard of Galen?
He's Marcus Aurelius' physician.
Of course, yeah, yeah.
He's read, God, ungodly amounts of Galen and translated ungodly amounts of Galen's work, like thousands and thousands of pages of his work.
And what Galen talks about, which this guy's an expert in, is how.
They would induce viper venom, small amounts of viper venom into children, like put it on a bandage, like a cut their arm, and then wrap it in a bandage, just enough to where it wouldn't actually kill them.
But they would create the antibodies.
So when they got high on snake venom, they could extract fluids from those people, whatever it was, from those children.
And that would be an antidote so they wouldn't die.
And he thought that this was the idea of dying and being born again by taking the venom, the death inducers, they called them, and then to take the antidote, the Antichrist.
Which is what those were.
They call them antichrist antidotes.
Right.
And that would keep them alive so they could get high and survive.
You know, the Hopi of the area of Arizona, they have a similar rite where they have a snake dance where you can become a brotherhood of the snake and where they would actually take a rattlesnake and they hold it in their mouth and they dance with this rattlesnake in their mouth and they have a.
They have an eagle feather that they kind of stroke the snake with to keep it calm while they're dancing.
And then at the end of the dance, they ingest the poison from the rattlesnake.
And now, prior to this, they've been building up antibodies from the snake poison.
Right.
But then they drink actually some of the snake poison.
Right.
And.
And if they survive it, then they're in the brotherhood of the snake at that point.
But it's a similar idea.
Yeah, very similar idea.
That's interesting.
I'm going to have to look.
What is that called again?
It was the Hopi.
The Hopi?
Yeah, it's the Hopi, the snake dance.
It's a rattlesnake dance.
So are you familiar with the part in the Bible where Jesus is arrested in the public park, the naked boy?
Sure, yeah.
Yeah, I think that was actually an initiation that was.
Going on.
That's what this guy says.
Well, not necessarily.
So, what Amon believes is basically so, and then to clarify, like what a, what a, from what my understanding is of what a classicist does, is their job is to go back in the time machine, find texts, and because there's this thing, there's this phenomenon called semantic drift that happens over time where one word will change and evolve meaning over millennia.
Of course.
Yeah.
So, a classicist's job is to go back.
Back to a specific point in history, right?
And read all the peripheral texts, the comedy, the poetry, the pharmaceutical texts, the medical texts, and figure out what a general consensus of what the words meant.
Yeah, the context.
The context of what was actually going on.
So that's what he does.
This is how he came to this conclusion about Jesus.
In the park, when he was with the kid, he thinks Jesus was hallucinating on this death inducer, right?
And he had the kid there who was wearing nothing but a linen cloth on his.
Private parts, yeah, and he thinks that that was somehow the Jesus was going to get his antidote from the boy, yeah, maybe.
And the boy ran off, right?
Sure, so then Jesus the next day gets crucified, and there's and he's he's like screaming and he dies early, right?
He's not supposed to die that quick, yeah.
And there's the depiction of them giving him the sponge, you know, the yeah, the what was it supposed to be like vinegar or something, yeah.
They he says he believes that that was supposed to be like the antidote that was on that to keep him alive.
And he refused to take it because he wanted to die quicker.
Maybe there was.
I will say that throughout the ancient world, it was not uncommon for.
During the initiation rites, for.
And you still find it within some traditions to this day.
The new initiate is dressed in white linen as a.
You know, is divested of all their earthly clothes, everything that makes them distinct and.
And gives them identity in the world, they're divested of all of that.
Any medals that they have on them, and they're made to put on a white linen for initiation.
And that's common.
And to me, it makes more sense.
That's what Jesus was doing with that small child.
I don't think he was, you know, there's been all kinds of weird.
Because what he said was, I'm not, when the cops came, he said, I'm not a laystase.
I'm not a laystase.
Right.
And he says, laystase at that point in time in history meant a child trapped.
Right, right, right, right, exactly.
That's what Caesar said.
Right when Caesar was captured, he was the lay state, the lay state said he crucified.
Of course, yeah.
I mean, you see a half naked kid, you know, in a cave with an adult.
I mean, of course, he's going to look like a pet.
You know what I mean?
So, but it was probably an initiation, right?
I mean, and I'm sure it was.
And there's a number of things within the New Testament which point to Jesus, or at least whether he did this or not, or whether the early Christians grafted it onto the Bible to make it seem this way.
I mean, we don't know, right?
But it seems to suggest that Jesus was passing on an Egyptian.
Initiation tradition, and i'll give you an example of this.
Um, the lord's prayer uh that uh, everyone who goes to church knows about our father, who art in heaven.
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
You know that?
That whole thing yeah um, that originally comes from the papyrus of Ani in in ancient Egypt, and it was a prayer to Amun, The god Amun.
And it began Amun, Amun, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as above, so below.
Give us this day our daily bread.
It's the same thing, almost word for word.
And then it ends with Amun, which of course is where we get the word Amen from.
So Amun in ancient Egyptian means the hidden one, and it represented the hidden power.
And this is why in the New Testament, when Jesus gives this prayer, you know, first of all, the disciples go to him and they say, Jesus, how should we pray?
Yeah.
And he says, well, first of all, don't go to church and be seen praying like a hypocrite.
That's what he says.
They never quote that part in church, right?
Right, right, right.
Yeah, they let that part out.
Right.
He says, instead, find a hidden place in your home, like a closet, go in there and And give this prayer, and then he gives the Lord's Prayer.
So he's telling the disciples to become the hidden one, to go hide in a closet somewhere in their home and give this prayer, which literally Amun is the prayer to Amun, which literally means the hidden one.
So this is just one example of many in the New Testament where early Christianity or Jesus himself was quite literally borrowing from.
This Egyptian tradition and was trying to preserve it.
And I mean, and other examples are, you know, the gold, frankincense, and myrrh that Jesus received as a baby.
Those are what every pharaoh is buried with gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Correct, yeah.
And they all had symbolic meanings to themselves.
But the fact that, you know, the three wise men were probably the three stars of Orion's belt.
Which pointed to where the sun rose on December 25th.
And those three stars of Orion's belt, Orion itself was associated with the god Osiris.
And he was the one that there was the same story of him being born in a cave surrounded by animals.
He was presented gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, this was all ancient Egyptian stuff.
That then got grafted onto the New Testament by clearly the people who did it were trying to perpetuate that Egyptian tradition.
There was also something I was reading this morning.
Steve, I sent you a link to this passage, or it was a write up.
It was called The Questions of Mary.
Are you familiar with this?
The Questions of Mary?
No, but I know Mary is.
It's one of those links I text you.
Mary is another.
That's a common Egyptian name that you find.
Yeah.
Oh, this is it.
The Lost Greater Questions of Mary.
Can you zoom in on this a little bit?
Yeah, this is crazy.
So it says this is Bart Arman's podcast, or not podcast, his website.
There's a blog article on there where he's writing about this thing that happened with Jesus and Mary.
And he said, one of the greatest questions, one of the great questions for scholars is whether such.
Book ever really did exist, and it's mentioned only once in ancient literature in a highly charged polemical context by Epiphanius of Salamis, a Christian heresy hunter who was prone to exaggeration and fabrication, who was incautious at best in his attacks against heretical sex in his book, The Panarion Medicine Chest.
In it, Epiphanius supplies the antidotes for the snake bites.
Of heresy.
Wait, is this the one I said?
Go scroll down.
There was, keep going.
Okay, here we go.
For the Gnostic Philipponites, this text and their corresponding rituals related to their doctrinal views that humans represent divine sparks entrapped in human bodies, which need to escape.
Human procreation perpetuates the state of entrapment.
By providing an endless supply of bodies as prisons for the sparks of the divine.
The solution to the problem then was to engage in non procreative sex as shown to Mary Magdalene by the Savior himself.
One odd night on a mountaintop.
And here is the quotation for the text from Epiphanius.
The first sentence, obviously, is Epiphanius himself explaining what the book is, which is called okay, so the book is called The Greater Questions of Mary.
They indicate that Jesus gave a revelation to Mary, taking her to the mountain as he prayed.
And then extracted a woman from his side and began having sexual intercourse with her.
Then he gathered his seed in his hand, explaining that this is what we must do in order to live.
When Mary became disturbed and fell on the ground, he he again raised her and said to her, why do you doubt you of little faith?
Wow, somehow I think this one never had much of a chance of getting into the New Testament.
Well, you know, there was kind of a perv man.
Yeah, there were.
There were a lot of Gnostic and apocryphal texts.
You know that Suggest all kinds of interesting things with Jesus and Mary and others.
I mean, some people believe, you know, I happen to be under the opinion that, and Timothy Freak covers this quite well in his books, The Jesus Mysteries, and also Jesus and the Goddess, I think.
Timothy Freak?
Yeah.
Timothy Freak and Peter Gandhi, they did a number of good books.
But one of the hypotheses is related to the Apostle Paul, that, you know, Paul, for the most part, he has these writings where he's speaking like a Gnostic, like he experiences Christ as a vision of light on the road to Damascus, right?
Which is a very Gnostic thing.
It said he was taken up to the third heaven.
Well, most people are like, know what heaven is, but what's the third heaven?
And we know that Damascus was actually a code word used by the Essenes for their base in Qumran.
And so it may suggest that Paul was an Essene and that the third heaven, there were three levels of initiation or baptism that was designed to cleanse.
The person of all the bad stuff that they had attached to them as they incarnated into this world.
So there's a baptism by water, there's a baptism by air, and then a baptism by fire.
And we find this going back way back into the ancient world.
I mean, going back to Noah's Ark, you know, in the story of Noah's Ark, grafted onto that story of the earth obsessed with its physical senses, along comes a flood, water.
Then Noah lets birds go into the air, and then he lands on Mount Ararat and makes a burnt sacrifice to God, fire, right?
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So those are the three stages of purification, if you will, which is done in the alchemical process.
And it's, but it was also used in the baptismal rites and the initiation rites in the ancient world.
So, but with Paul, so the third heaven would be that he had gone through those three different.
Purifications, right?
Well, along comes a bishop known as Arrhenius, who wrote a book called Against the Heresies much later, where he was trying to condemn Gnosticism.
And lo and behold, all of a sudden, at the same time, they discovered these new letters of Paul, where Paul is condemning Gnosticism.
And the suggestion is that the church, in particular, Arrhenius, Created these letters of Paul specifically to justify suppressing Gnosticism, which was a rival perspective of Christianity than what the Roman church was setting up at the time.
And hence why Paul seems like this.
Now, Paul's gospel was the closest one to Christ.
Well, it's, you know, supposedly Paul never actually knew Jesus, right, when he was alive.
Right.
And yet, The entire canon of the Roman church was largely based off of Paul.
What was the closest gospel to Jesus?
Like the first one published or the first gospel?
Well, they say it's Matthew.
Matthew?
They don't really know for sure.
I mean, there's Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the standard gospels.
And, you know, you have some of them are kind of similar.
And then you have John, which is like totally out there and somewhat Gnostic in itself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, uh, the closest one I thought was like 20 years after he died.
Well, well, yeah, I mean, they have found fragments, uh, the Najamundi fragments and the Dead Sea Scrolls, and all of these texts seem to point to source texts that, uh, yeah, were within a hundred years of after Jesus supposedly lived.
Um, But we don't know for sure.
I mean, it's a guess.
Yeah.
You know, everyone's speculating.
And, you know, there's a bunch of.
I had a guy in here who's been studying the Dead Sea Scroll fragments his whole life.
And apparently, there's a huge black market for people trying to buy the fragments, and a ton of them are fake.
And he actually discovered a bunch of the fakes.
I believe it.
I believe it.
There's also been some that.
You know, they haven't released them all.
You know, the ones that they found, they kind of gradually release them.
And part of that's because, and every once in a while they get leaked.
And as they come out, part of the reason why they don't release them is because they contradict modern theology.
I mean, there's some great astrological information on some of them, you know, for example, you know.
Right.
You know, another thing, and then they were mostly in Hebrew, I think.
There was a very small percentage of them that were in Greek and maybe some Aramaic.
And the interesting thing about the Hebrew, like going back to what we were talking about with the Septuagint being the original written in Greek, is that there was so much more Greek literature around in the Library of Alexandria.
Like everywhere was Greek.
There's literally, I mean, we had the Dead Sea Scrolls during that time period that's in Hebrew.
There's nothing else in Hebrew.
Right.
That's it.
Right.
That's it.
That's right.
And then the Najmundi, some of those texts, I mean, they have some New Testament texts.
Types of fragments, but they also have Hermetic texts, you know, writings of Hermes that were right in there with them, too, which suggests that this sect that was preserving this stuff was, they saw them as compatible.
And that's a whole nother can of worms that no one likes to talk about, you know, but the Hermetic texts were.
How so?
Why don't people like to talk about it?
I think I'm missing something.
Because.
Hermeticism was a pagan form of Gnosticism.
Oh, okay.
And it was, you know, it was centered around Hermes, the Greek god Hermes.
Yeah.
And the.
What was the deal with Hermes again?
Well, Hermes was, you know, he was kind of the inventor of the word.
He created language.
He was the messenger amongst the gods.
He was the.
He did a lot of works associated with talismans, how to bring energies from the stars down.
Into our and capture them in talismans here on the planet.
He did, he was the inventor of alchemy.
And he was, in some ways, the Hermetic texts could be read in almost a Neoplatonic way, suggesting that all reality.
You know, well, one of the things that the Hermetic texts say is that all reality that we're perceiving is just mind stuff.
It's the mind of the creator.
Like we're living in the mind of the creator.
And this matrix that we're in is in the mind of the creator.
And it seems solid and real to us.
But just as the creator's thoughts can change, so can matter change.
Those Greeks were.
Bombed on drugs, dude.
Yeah, but it's right in line with what people like Maxwell Planck and Schrodinger and the other physicists of the early 20th century were saying, too.
Totally.
This is all made up of mind stuff.
No, yeah, you're right about that.
You know, so it's just the Greeks were, the Hermeticists were saying it thousands of years ago.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
So it's amazing that some of like the most mind bending philosophical ideas came out of.
Of that period of time.
Yeah, for sure.
From the Greeks, you know, when they were, you know, we had the Eleusinian mysteries, all these pagan cults, these drug cults.
And at the same time, you just have this explosion of intellect in antiquity.
Well, and you have to remember, too, the root of all that was really Egypt.
I mean, all those Greek philosophers were studying in Egypt, you know, before they started doing their stuff.
I mean, Pythagoras, I think, spent something like 20 years there in Egypt.
And in fact, his name, Pythagoras, probably comes from Tago Ras.
which was Ta was the keeper of the word of creation.
And Go Ras just meant, it meant like the word goes forth.
That's what it means.
Or the word of power goes forth.
That's what his name would have meant in ancient Egyptian.
And he's the one who coined the term philosophy.
You know, literally the word philosophy comes from Pythagoras.
And it comes from Philo, which is to love, and Sophia, which is wisdom.
Oh, wow.
And then the Gnostics later took that same concept of Sophia as a symbol of the human soul that falls down to this earth, gets totally immersed in matter.
Gets lost in it and then has to find its way out of it and eventually marry the Christos, the universal consciousness.
Wow.
And that's what the mystery of the bride chamber really represented, some would say, in the New Testament stuff.
You know, it's interesting how the idea of applying a drug to your eyes being the word Hrio or Christos.
And then if you look at the Bhagavad Gita, And the story of where they put she puts the drug in her eyes, yeah, and like has all these visions.
It's like there's lots of parallels to that, too, for sure.
Well, I think there was, uh, I think there was a lot of Eastern ideas from the Vedic texts that, that I mean, the India and Egypt were like two sides of the same coin ancient, ancient India and ancient Egypt.
They, they were, they were.
Importing philosophy back and forth from each other.
And we see this with, in the Indian traditions, you know, the symbols of the serpent going up the spinal column.
You find that same thing in ancient Egypt.
I mean, there's a reason why on King Tut's, King Tutankhamun's crown, you see the serpent coming out of his third eye.
Right?
Yep.
Which in Aramaic, the brow is called the Nazar.
And that's really where the word Nazarene probably comes from.
Interesting.
It had nothing to do with the town of Nazareth.
But yeah, it had to do with that third eye, you know?
And.
And those ideas were, or the idea that the whole chakra system of, you know, the seven chakra, you find that in ancient Egypt as well.
What is the chakra?
The chakra, yeah.
The seven chakra that go up the spinal column.
Oh.
And there's seven like psychic centers.
And with the third eye being the sixth and the seventh being the crown chakra.
And this is really what.
From a Templar perspective, this is really what Revelations is talking about the seven seals that need to be opened.
And with the opening of each seal, our old perception of the world dies off and our new perception opens up.
Interesting.
And if you take the first six chakras, each chakra has a certain number of petals on it.
And the first six chakras have a total of 144 petals.
And then the crown chakra is the thousand pedaled chakra.
It's the powerhouse for the other six.
So if you times the crown chakra to the other 144, you get 144,000, which is in Revelations, it says 144,000 are saved after the seven seals are opened.
This is what it's really alluding to.
And these ideas were.
You find it in the Vedic tradition, but you also find it in the Egyptian.
And, you know, you find it immersed within the New Testament as well.
So, what is this, Steve?
These are the.
Yeah, it's what he was talking about.
Right.
This is a chakra, and then I guess different levels.
And if you add them all up, it's 144.
Whoa.
And then the.
And then above.
And by the way, above the crown chakra was known as the eighth sphere, which was known as the agawad in the Gnostic tradition.
And this was symbolically represented by the number 888 or by eight sided structures.
And if you take the name Jesus in Greek, in Greek every letter corresponds to a number.
So if you replace the letter for its number equivalent in the name Jesus in Greek, it adds up to.
888.
So it's actually his name itself is alluding to the agawad, the eighth sphere above the seven seals.
Interesting.
And that's the word Christ or Jesus?
The word Jesus.
Jesus.
Yeah, Jesus in Greek.
Yeah, if you look up Greek Gematria Jesus, I'm sure you can find the breakdown of the letters and the numbers they correspond to.
Interesting.
The glomatria of the Greek name for Jesus is a trinity of eights, which represents rebirth, regeneration, and salvation.
The Greek name for Jesus is, okay, I can't read that.
That's Greek, which is abbreviated as IHS, JHS, IHC, IHE.
The ancient scribes and copyists of the New Testament used the abbreviated IE to refer to Jesus in Greek, which gave the name special sanctity.
Yeah.
So, so, uh, yeah, there's all these number codes, you know, that are within both the Old Testament and the New Testament because Hebrew is the same way, it's alphanumeric.
So, uh, every letter in Hebrew also corresponds to a number.
Like, so the Aleph, the first letter of the Hebrew is equated with the number one, bet, uh, or B, yeah, uh, is equated with the number two, you know, and so on and so forth.
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So, um, Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
Yeah, it's super interesting.
But this is all stuff that the Templars have been studying for the last thousand years.
Right.
They started, as they started digging, as they went into Jerusalem by 1118, they were given property in an area that was known as King Solomon's Stables, which was right near the Temple Mount where the Dome of the Rock is.
Yeah.
And they started digging and doing archaeological work.
And even though their stated mission was to protect pilgrims coming into the Holy Land, which they did, but really what they were doing was archaeological work.
They were digging.
They were digging all kinds of tunnels under the Temple Mount.
And they were finding texts and artifacts and they were bringing this stuff.
They were.
confiscating this stuff to protect it, to keep it from falling into the hands of the other crusaders, to keep it from falling into the hand of the invading Muslims.
And then with this, they gained knowledge of it going back into Egypt.
And so then they went into Egypt and started doing archaeological work there.
And that's really what they were doing.
They were finding texts that didn't fit in the standard biblical canon at the time, which was giving him a different perspective.
Oh, yeah.
And they were meeting with groups like the Copts of Egypt, you know, that were practicing a totally separate form of Christianity than the people in Europe were.
And they met with groups like the Druze, which were Gnostics that.
Celebrated a number of different prophets, you know, other than what you found just within Christianity, and including they venerated Pythagoras and Hermes.
And so they learned Pythagorean doctrines and were able to gain Pythagorean knowledge from them, and Hermetic doctrines from them, and Hermetic understanding.
They met with the Sabaeans, who were.
We're passing on a tradition, some would argue, going way back to ancient Egypt, related to studying the stars and aligning them with monuments.
And so they picked up all this knowledge, and this is what they brought back to Europe.
And when they started building their cathedrals, like the cathedrals of Notre Dame, they tried to incorporate this knowledge.
They built the Cathedral of Notre Dame.
Yeah, they're the ones who started building all those cathedrals.
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The Templars did.
And it was with the money that they had amassed in the Holy Land and the knowledge that they had.
Yeah, I was always.
My understanding of the Templars was that they were somehow tied into banking in Switzerland.
Yeah, they did do that too.
That was so.
After they were suppressed, one of the places they fled to was Switzerland.
And they helped to.
Fight to, to create Switzerland basically, and uh, and so the Swiss banks came out of that.
Right, Swiss banks came out and I thought like, my understanding also was that the inquisition on the templars, when they, when the, was the pope or the king that came after them, both because they wanted their money right basically yeah yeah, the king was like the like, the whole, the whole claim of what they were doing.
They didn't really care about that, they just needed an excuse to take their money right basically yeah, so like uh, Well, there were two things that were going on.
Philip the Fair of France, he was, on the one hand, he wanted to become Rex Bellator, which was the war king.
And he needed money to do that.
And he owed the Templars a lot of money.
He had taken loans from the Templar order.
And so in order to deal with his debts and then also try to gain money, he had the Templar order suppressed.
At the same time, Pope Clement V. Who was Pope at the time and who arguably was put on the papal throne by Philip the Fair of France?
Philip the Fair was trying to control the papacy and he had some control over it.
But Pope Clement V wanted the Templar order to merge with the Knights Hospitalier, which were a rival order at the time to the Templars.
And Jacques de Molay, who was the grand master of the Templar Order, he didn't want to do it.
He's like, no, we're a totally different thing than the Knights Hospitalier.
We're not going to do it.
But when the Templar Order was suppressed, most of their properties ended up going to the Knights Hospitalier.
The Knights Hospitalier later became the Knights of Malta.
And so, in many places in Europe, if you go and you find an old.
Knights of Malta building or a building that's being controlled by the Knights of Malta.
In many cases, that was originally a Templar temple that they had acquired during that whole process.
And there was a parchment that is found, which is supposedly the original source of this sort of trial that went on with the Knights of Malta.
The Chinon parchment.
Yeah, that's what it was.
The Chinon parchment.
I think that's a forgery.
Weird stuff in there, man.
They were saying that during the initiations, like.
The Templars, they had to denounce Jesus and then make out with each other.
Yeah.
I think that was a later forgery.
And the reason why I say that is because Napoleon had actually raided the Vatican archives on his campaign, his Egypt campaign, actually.
He stopped it in Italy, to Rome.
He raided the Vatican archives.
He brought everything back to Paris.
He was specifically looking for Templar documents.
And he never found that document.
Why was he looking for Templar documents?
So, Napoleon was the grandson of the illegitimate grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was the Scottish king in exile.
Okay.
And who was a Templar.
And so he had an interest in Templarism because of that.
I mean, that's not like widely known, but.
He was Bonnie Prince Charlie's illegitimate grandson, which is why his name Bonaparte just means basically of good blood.
And he always said he was royalty, but he never presented anything to back it up.
And this is also why he married a Merovingian princess, Princess Josephine.
The Merovingians, of course, was the royal line of France.
And there was.
Some speculation that they had they were passing on an Atlantean tradition of which Jesus and Mary Magdalene had been a part of and their bloodline had been a part of, and that so Napoleon wanted to be married into that.
Add that to the fact that Napoleon's personal physician was Bernard Raymond Fabre Palaprat, who was the Grand Master of the Templar Order at the time.
Wow, and and He had encouraged Napoleon to go find these artifacts and to trace down this root information.
So when Napoleon went to the Vatican and raided the archives, I mean, he set up a whole series of scholars specifically to look for Templar artifacts, and they never found the Chinon parchment.
So he, it wasn't, it was, he had a whole like army of people that were going through all the archives.
Yep.
Yeah.
They brought him back to St. Sulpice in France, in Paris.
And, uh, in fact, one of the people who was in charge of that was.
What year was this?
Roughly.
Oh, I, I, I. Can you find it?
I don't know.
Is this the top of my head?
Is this like not like information that you can find on the internet?
When did Napoleon invade that?
You should be able to find it.
Um, you know, one of the people that he had going through those archives was actually, um, Alfonso Constance, better known as Eliphas Levi, who was a priest in Paris, who was known for writing very esoteric things, including a book on transcendental magic.
And he was later in Freemasonry, Albert Pike, who was considered really the philosophical father of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.
When he wrote his book, Morals and Dogma, 80% of that book is word for word copied from Eliphas Levi, which is kind of interesting.
But.
This was the fact that they were going through these archives.
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They were finding all kinds of stuff on the Templars, and they never found the Chinon parchment.
And it wasn't until after Dan Brown's books came out that all of a sudden the church released this new document that they'd found that had just happened to be in their archives for the last 700 years without them noticing it.
It was a little weird, you know?
But it seems to suggest that the Chinon parchment is probably a forgery.
So you think it was just.
There to destroy the credibility and make the make the uh, the templars look like sickos.
Well, what it did, is it it, it it um?
I mean back then it probably, they probably wouldn't have been that the big.
The big thing about the Chinon parchment is it suggested that uh uh, that the church wasn't behind the persecutions.
Basically, it gave the, it gave the, it gave the um Impression that the church had pardoned the Templars and that the parchment, the Chinon did.
The Chinon parchment, yeah.
And that, uh, and then the then the um, and then Philip the Fair persecuted them anyways and burnt them at the stake anyways, so but it it allows that the church to wash their hands of it and say, Well, we we pardoned the Templars because see, here's this document, yeah, that just showed up that says we did, you know, yeah, there was like stuff in there saying they had to denounce Jesus, they had to spit on a cross, right.
And then they had to abstain from any intercourse with women.
None of that's real.
No.
And then there were obscene kisses on the buttocks.
Yeah, they kissed their butts and their navels and kissed each other on the mouth.
Now, there are initiation.
I will tell you, there are initiation rites within the Templar order.
This is the kind of shit you've got to do at FSU when you're being hazed.
Yeah, right, right.
I mean, in our degrees, there are some things that are similar to that.
But it's not, it's highly distorted.
No, no, no.
Like there's a kiss on the back of the neck, and you'll find this in Sufi traditions as well.
And it's this area, the back of the neck, was associated with Doth on the Kabbalistic tree.
And it was a, this area is, there's a ganglia here in the spinal column where the nerves go to both the pineal gland or the third eye.
And to the radial nerve, which goes to these two fingers and the thumb.
This is why you always see Jesus doing this, right?
And it's designed to awaken that area in the person.
There's also things where.
Why do you think they said they had to denounce Jesus?
The theory is that they were.
They were preparing them for if they got caught by Muslims during the Crusades, where they would be tortured and they would have to do those things in order to survive.
That's the mundane theory behind it.
I don't think there was ever a denouncing of Jesus, but there was a denouncing of the cross because according to Templar documents, well, documents that were found and in the tradition, there was a belief that Jesus actually survived the crucifixion, and that, um, and that, uh, it's abhorrent to worship the cross, this implement of torture, right?
Right.
And that makes sense.
What we should really be worshiping is that they saw Jesus as a brother and they saw him as an exemplar.
And this is the big difference between what Templars have taught versus what the church has taught.
Templars have always taught that Jesus was the great exemplar, not that he was the great savior.
So they didn't view him as like a divine.
No, they saw him as divine, but no more divine than any of us, and that we all have the ability to do the things that Jesus did.
In fact, even Jesus said that.
He said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, these miracles you see me perform, ye shall do also, and those even greater than these.
Right?
So he's saying, anybody. has the power to do these things through the universal consciousness, through the Christos.
So Templars viewed Jesus as when Jesus spoke as the Christ, he was speaking as the universal consciousness.
And that anybody has the ability to access that universal consciousness and have that universal consciousness work through them.
And be able to do the same things Jesus did.
Right.
But it takes a certain amount of devotion and understanding and internal work, you know, before you could get there.
Right.
But Templars views Jesus as an exemplar.
Like he was telling, he was showing us the way of how we can be.
And the only salvation comes from.
Us personally attaining that gnosis, that divine knowledge.
Because once you attain that knowledge, you really know who you are, you know where you came from, you know where you're going, and you understand the bigger order of things.
So you know there is no death, right?
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Wow.
Which is a profound statement, you know.
And the Templars performed initiation rites, and they still do, that are designed to.
Help you understand that you who you are is not just your physical body, and that there's a part of you that survives your physical body, there's a part of you that can live outside of your physical body, and that uh, you have this whole other side to yourself that largely remains dormant in people till they're able to wake up.
Yeah, so man, this sounds a lot like they were doing drugs.
I think drugs were used as a form of initiation.
I mean, because especially on the earth level, because again, we talk about earth, water, air, and fire.
Earth is our physical forms we're all born into, right?
Everybody knows it.
And this is where people get attached to it.
They look for titillations and stuff.
But when a drug was given to you on that earth level, It opened your perception to realizing, wait, there might be more going on here than what I think.
Yeah, I mean, that's this experience you get when you do psychedelics.
Have you ever done psychedelics?
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And yeah, you begin to see patterns that might be behind reality and everything else.
And so that's the baptism by earth, right?
Is really using these drugs to open your perception to something.
The next level, which was.
So, with water, it had to do with the emotions and learning to stabilize your emotions and use your emotions as an energy to, to, for you to do things as opposed to drowning in them.
Right.
I mean, this is the real symbolic meaning behind walking on water, right?
You stabilize your emotions so that you can walk on them as opposed to drowning in them.
Right.
So that was a stage.
Some would say that was learning to subdue your passions, not get rid of your passions, but use your passions as an energy to propel you to get things done.
Right.
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I mean, what else could be responsible for the architecture of something like Notre Dame?
I mean, that is just astonishing.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Like just, I mean, the patterns, the symmetry, the well, and the symbology that's in it, too.
I mean, most people don't realize that there's.
Yes, there's depictions of the Bible all throughout it, but there is also astrological information in there.
There's sacred geometry in there.
Can you pull up images of Notre Dame, Steve?
There's alchemical imagery in there.
The alchemical, in fact, the front doors of Notre Dame Cathedral of Paris, if you go to the very front doors, there's these medallions that are right at a head level.
As you're going in the doors, surrounding the doors.
And those medallions actually, they actually depict every stage of the alchemical process because they were trying to preserve that information.
Go to the interior image on the left.
Jesus.
Yeah, incredible, right?
And it's designed all acoustically, too.
So, like, you know, a priest could be at the front.
Shouting out whatever, and it'll just echo through the whole building so people can hear it.
You know, I mean, what wasn't this building rebuilt though after World War II?
Well, it's just rebuilt recently.
In fact, yeah, recently, right?
It's opening, I think, this week.
Yeah, what happened to it again?
It burned down.
Yeah, it caught on fire.
I think it was.
That's another thing.
I think.
Do I want to talk about conspiracies?
I think the church set it on fire.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
Because they're looking for artifacts.
And the only way they could do the archaeological digging in there is to have the place closed down for a while.
Really?
And it's interesting.
They need an excuse.
They need an excuse.
Yeah, there's a number of cathedrals that were all set on fire around the same time, including.
Uh, Saint Sulpice, uh, and but the same hour that Notre Dame of Paris was set on fire, uh, the former headquarters at King Solomon's stables in Jerusalem, where the Templar order had their headquarters, was also set on fire.
Really, same hour that's a weird coincidence.
Uh, I think, I think the church is looking for artifacts.
What do you think they're trying to find?
What kind of artifacts?
They're looking for things that they think might be buried in the church that the Templar Order may have left there.
You know, those cathedrals, the cathedrals of Notre Dame, and it's not just Notre Dame of Paris, but it's all the other cathedrals in the area, including Schatz Cathedral and others.
If you view them from the air, they're laid out in the constellation of Virgo.
Really?
Yeah.
So they mimic the constellation of Virgo in the heavens on the ground.
And of course, Virgo was the Virgin, right?
Just like Notre Dame was Our Lady, the Virgin Mary, right?
But most people don't think about it.
So each one of those cathedrals are built like a human body and form.
And the Templars did this.
They learned of this in Egypt.
They were studying the temples in Egypt.
You go to Karnak and Luxor, for example.
It's all built out like a human body in form.
How so?
How like a human body?
Well, if you view it from the air, the Luxor in particular, the whole thing is built like a.
Each part of it is like a human body in form.
In fact, there's Schwaler de Lubitz, who was.
He's the one who first proposed that the Sphinx was.
You're not even aerial views, do you?
Yeah, aerial.
Or look up, type in Temple of Man by Dilubitz.
You'll see a depiction of Luxor, and you'll see the human body imposed over it.
Yeah, so it was all built so that the bottom part is where the feet are.
And the top part is where the head is.
Oh yeah, it kind of does look like that, doesn't it right?
Exactly so so the the uh, the templars they, they started figuring this out.
So when they built the Notre Dame Cathedral, Our Lady, it's built like a human body and form, so like the, the baptismal fonts at the area of the belly button, the choir speaks from the area of the lungs, the priest is at the area of the heart, and then the sacrament is kept at the area of the third eye and the head.
The sacrament?
Yeah, that's where the wine and the wafers are kept, right?
Oh, really?
Yeah, for communion.
So, but then as you leave the church, you go through the arch, which is the birth canal.
So, if Notre Dame is Our Lady, which is Mary, the Virgin Mary, and you're being born from it, what does that make you?
Makes you the Christ.
Wow.
Right?
Totally Gnostic idea, right?
Totally heretical.
But that's how the Templars set it up.
And even Vatican City, if you look at Vatican City from the air, it's built like a human body in form two.
In fact, I have a good picture of that.
Have you ever been to the Vatican?
Yeah, yeah.
But, you know, the cathedrals were built to be these human bodies in form two, you know.
Specifically, because it has that symbolic meaning of the as above, so below.
But what's the story with the Holy Grail?
Oh, yes, that's a good question.
So, originally, the word Grail comes from ancient Sumer and it was Graal, G R A dot A L.
And what it alluded to was the word for the alchemical science in ancient Egypt.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, here it is.
Yes, on the right there, you can see Vatican City.
Oh, kind of.
See the legs and the belly and the.
Yeah.
Going up into the head.
Yeah.
So, okay, I see what you're saying.
Now with the pregnant belly in the middle.
Right.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, all of these ancient temples were built with this as above, so below relationship between the.
The person and in the structure itself, and uh, and it had symbolic meaning as you went through the temple.
You know, there are different things that the different part of it that corresponded to different parts of the human body itself.
Interesting, yeah.
But you find the same thing with the cathedrals, hence why they're called Our Lady Notre Dame, yeah, yeah.
Um, back to the grail, yeah.
So it was an alchemical thing, yeah, yeah.
So originally, in ancient.
Sumer, Graal, G R A dot A L, just meant that was the word for the alchemical science, the science of transformation.
Later, that came to be associated with everything from the cup of Jesus at the Last Supper to the head of John the Baptist to the.
The Cauldron of Plenty from ancient Celtic lore to the Emerald Tablet of Hermes.
One of the descriptions of the Grail is they said it was an emerald that was in the crown of Lucifer.
And that when the battle took place in heaven, there were neutral angels that that emerald got knocked out of his crown during the battle, and that there were neutral angels that brought this.
Emerald to earth, and that this emerald then became known as the Grail.
That's in Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parseval book.
But they also say that the grail is a stone that burns the phoenix to ashes, after which it comes back renewed.
So there are all these different descriptions of the grail, none of which seem to correspond with each other, even though they do.
And that's where the mystery lies.
Ultimately, I would say that the Grail represents the connecting point between the consciousness of God or the Creator and the human consciousness, our individual consciousness.
So when we get to that point of Gnosis, that's where the Grail is.
That's the Grail.
Right.
And in the, I will say, in the earliest Grail stories like Wolfram von Neschenbach's Parseval, which was written, Wolfram.
Was a Templar and he received this information from Giat of Provence, who we know who Giat was.
He was actually a well, it says Kiat in the text, but there was a certain Giat of Provence who was a Templar who he got this information from.
But in Wolfram von Nischenbach's Parseval, It's suggestive that the Grail is an alchemical thing.
It's an alchemical science.
And that it represents a state of balance.
And it also represents the balance of the new age we're going into, the age of Aquarius.
It points to that.
And it also points to.
There's a hermit in the story called Trevisrent the Hermit.
Well, Trevisrent just means threefold knower.
And hermit comes from the word Hermes.
So, really, what it is is it's Hermes Trismegistus, who is known for writing the Emerald Tablet of Hermes, which was this alchemical instruction tablet.
And the beginning of the tablet says this tablet was something that was studied by.
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People for centuries.
It was believed that Alexander the Great found it at Abydos, this tablet originally.
And what it says is, as above, so below, is how it begins, right?
And it's a tablet for the instruction of how to create the philosopher's stone, which was a substance said to.
Transmute base metals into gold to raise consciousness and to heal the body.
Right?
Which is pretty great because if you could turn base metals into gold?
Yeah, like lead into gold.
So if you could like transmute metals so you could create your own money and you can heal yourself and you can raise your own consciousness, those are all you need, right?
To have mastery in this world.
So this was a tablet.
For the instruction of how to produce this substance.
Has anyone ever tried it?
Oh, yeah.
Sir Isaac Newton spent most of his life trying to do it.
In fact, 80% of everything he ever wrote on was alchemy, specifically related to this tablet.
Hit his own translation of it.
But, and people like him and Robert Boyle and others.
Did they ever get anywhere?
Some say they did, yeah.
But, but Newton did go mad with mercury poisoning for a while, and John Locke actually had to come and heal him back to what?
Back to health.
Yeah.
From you started writing these crazy letters to John Locke, and John Locke realized.
He had probably gone mad from mercury poisoning.
Was that because he was trying to figure out this concoction?
Yeah, exactly.
He was trying to, you know, mercury, if you heat it really hot, it can separate itself.
And on the one hand, it can form this white powder, which is one of the most deadliest poisons known to man.
But on the other hand, you could get these red crystals, which are said to be quite therapeutic and are used in all kinds of.
Modern medical stuff.
But, uh, yeah, but so Newton did go mad for a while.
Um, uh, John Locke gave him a bunch of cilantro, which helped to leach the, the, uh, the mercury out of his system so he could restore his sanity.
But Jesus.
Yeah, but so anyhow, the, but this, uh, this emerald tablet, some people believe this is really what that emerald is that Wolfram von Eschenbach talks about that, uh, That was plucked out of the crown of Lucifer.
That it was that emerald, what became the emerald tablet.
And there's some people that believe that that emerald tablet was also what was referred to as the tablet of testimony in the Old Testament.
Moses had two tablets he brought down from the mountain.
One had the commandments on it, and the other was called the tablet of testimony.
And he didn't think the people were ready for the tablet of testimony, so he broke it.
And some people believe that other tablet was this emerald tablet.
And that what Moses was actually doing up on the mountain was alchemical work.
That's why he came down with soot on his face.
His face was all black from soot.
And then right after that, he burned the golden calf into a powder.
Which is the mana, the monoatomics.
So, which was an alchemical process.
Wow, man.
Yeah.
That's bizarre.
Yeah.
So, anyhow, this emerald tablet was some people that think that was one of the secrets of the grail.
And we don't know where that is anymore.
Or do we have it?
What's the tablet now?
Well, so supposedly it was the last two people who were said to have had it in particular.
Like the actual tablet was Alexander the Great, who had discovered it, excuse me, in Egypt, and Aristotle helped him translate it and understand it.
And then Apollonius of Tyana was said to have had it.
And some people believe the Apostle Paul was actually Apollonius of Tyana.
In fact, Paul is just an abbreviation of Apollonius, which just means little Apollo, right?
Little son.
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And it's so wild that all this stuff goes back to Egypt.
Yeah, it does.
It all goes back to Egypt.
And if you go there, we do, like I said, mentioned earlier, we do tours there.
If you look up Templar Travel Tours, that's our company, but we do tours there at least once a year, sometimes twice a year.
And we have access to all these sites in Egypt that the General public doesn't have access to, and where you can see all this stuff.
We show you all this stuff.
We show you all the arcs that are on the walls and some of the crypts and chambers that just aren't available to the public.
The general consensus from Egyptologists about the pyramid being a tomb is pretty astonishing.
Ridiculous.
Even more, I think, even more ridiculous is the idea that the Serapium boxes, coffins for bulls or horses.
Yeah, no, no, that's ridiculous.
The reason why they say that is they found a bull sacrifice by the later Egyptians that was mummified and placed outside the Serapium.
You have to remember when the Egyptians found the Serapium, because they found it, right?
They were.
Blown away by it, right?
They, they, yeah, how could you not be?
They, they, they, I mean, those boxes are too big to even move through those hallways.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
They fill up the entire hallway, and those things weigh like a thousand tons each.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
How do you get those in there?
How do you get them down there?
How do you move them?
How do you get the lids off?
How do you, uh, and, and how they're, they're dendrite, they, they are the hardest granite that there is.
And, uh, You know, the Egyptians had copper tools.
They couldn't have made those.
Right.
There's no way.
Copper and copper foundings.
And they're so precise.
They're so precise that, you know, so when the Egyptians found it, they tried to preserve the site, is what they did.
They did everything they could to try to preserve it.
They would go and they would worship there.
They would even eat the dirt.
You can see the areas around it where they dug out the dirt.
To eat because they thought it had magical qualities.
But yeah, there's photos of Chris Dunn inside those boxes with a square tool, like holding the square tool to the corners.
Totally precise.
Totally perfectly square inside.
Yeah.
It's interesting that the outsides aren't as perfect.
Right.
Yeah.
And you tell me how you even drill out the inside of that box.
You'd need a diamond drill, you know.
I mean, and then it would have to be so precise.
I mean, yeah.
So I'm under the opinion now there's different people that have.
Different opinions about what those boxes were for.
I think those boxes were, um, they were like a survival shelter.
Um, it's where they kept, yeah, look at that dude, exactly so precise.
Jesus, you can almost see the reflection in this stone.
It's so, it's so, you can see the reflection, it's literally reflecting him.
It's so, yeah, polished, so polished.
And uh, you know, we would be hard pressed to be able to do that today.
And it looks like the carvings on the outside, it looks if you look at the precision.
Of the work they did on those boxes and how much engineering and knowledge and skill had to go into creating those.
And then you look at the carvings, like the Egyptian carvings that are on the outside.
It's like graffiti.
It looks like toddlers came along with crayons afterwards and tried to draw on the outsides of these perfect masterpieces.
That's exactly right.
Yeah, they're unbelievable.
We go down there for sure and explore them and look at the areas where you can see, you know, where there was, there's still remnants of the hydrofluoric acid that I'm sure was used to help create it.
Mm hmm.
To help carve them.
But I think it's my opinion that there were these were a pre cataclysm technology that was created to store grains and other things for after the cataclysm.
You think that's what this was for?
Absolutely.
But then why would it have to be so precise?
Just to store grains.
I think they just had the technology to do it.
You think it was so easy for them?
It was easy for them, yeah.
It was easy for them.
And they had to make them so heavy to ensure that they survived the cataclysm, right?
I mean, you have to remember, we're talking about the younger Dryas, and I believe that there was, shall we say, probably comet fragments that were hitting the Earth.
Do you think it was the Younger Dryas or maybe before the Younger Dryas?
Well, the civilization was pre-Younger Dryas.
Pre-Younger Dryas, right.
But then the Younger Dryas cataclysm is what they were trying to preserve everything from.
Right.
Because with the Younger Dryas cataclysm, would that have impacted Egypt that much?
Because that basically wiped out all the megafauna on North America, right?
It hit the North American ice sheet.
I think it hit the entire North.
I think it was hitting in Northern Europe, too.
Because Africa, all the wild, all the Giants.
Animals, and the mega and the giant mega fauna, that they all survive.
But there's nothing like that in the U.s.
Correct, in fact.
Well, and i'll tell you something else that I believe and I say I when I say I it's me, but it's also the templar tradition has passed on is the belief that the um, you know, the valley of the kings is.
Most people think of them as just these, These tombs that are built out of the side of the mountain, right?
Which is true, but all of those tombs are actually connected by tunnels that go way down into the earth.
And I believe that that area was originally survived, those were originally survival bunkers from the cataclysm.
And that, um, Later, they came out of that, and the pharaohs preserved the memory of originally coming out of there.
And so, because all of that stuff, I mean, those tunnels, it would have taken thousands of people to carve all of that out.
Right.
And if you're trying to keep a place a secret, that'd be pretty dumb to employ thousands of people to carve this whole place out because it's not going to remain a secret.
Yeah.
I think it already existed.
And what the secret was is the pharaohs passed on the memory of it.
And so they went back there and started burying themselves there to hide because they're trying to be buried close to where their ancestors first came out of there after the cataclysm.
And the reason why I believe this is because in many of the tombs to this day, they still have depictions of things that they shouldn't have known about.
There are Egyptian tombs, and I can pull up pictures of this for you too, that show.
Bearded white dudes, these tall, giant, bearded white dudes with red beards, with uh, baby woolly mammoths on leashes and giant sloths on leashes.
The Egyptians shouldn't have known about woolly mammoths or or giant sloths, right?
Right, those were those were animals that existed prior to the cataclysm and went extinct after the cataclysm, right.
After younger Dryas.
Right.
So what are they doing them depicting them on Egyptian temple walls?
And let me give you an example.
I'll give you a picture of that.
Yeah.
Are you familiar with Chris Dunn's pyramid power plant theory?
Yes.
The Giza power plant?
Yep.
Super, super compelling.
And the fact that he's an engineer and understands how these things work and build, you know, jet engine engines.
And, you know, his whole point is that Precision is the product of function, right?
Precision comes from function.
You don't need precision unless you're trying to achieve some sort of functional goal, right?
So, why would all of these things be so precise in the great pyramid and unless it was designed to actually do something, right?
Yep.
Well, check this out the king's.
The king's coffer in the Great Pyramid, the inside dimensions of that king's coffer are the exact same dimensions as the outer dimensions as the Ark of the Covenant is described in the Bible.
So if we remember that these arcs are electrostatic capacitors, they were in all the temples of Egypt, right?
And if you put mana in it, which was a superconductive substance, is this monoatomic element.
It produces a tremendous amount of power.
Well, if you were to put that in the pyramid, right?
In the king's chamber, in the king's coffer, in the pyramid.
Yeah.
The pyramid itself is just from the weight of the granite pressing on it, it is piezoelectric.
Yes.
This is one of the things that Chris Dunn explained to me when he came on here.
He had a NASA physicist, Dr. Friedman Freund, I think his name was.
Yep.
Who.
Showed experiments of squeezing these giant granite pillars and being able, and they put an electrode on the other end of it, and then they squeezed, they like used a hydraulic press to squeeze the other end of the granite, and it created electricity.
Yep, that's right.
And, well, and, and the fact that the pyramids on the Giza Plateau, which is a seismically active, um, Part of the earth.
The idea is that the electrons from deep inside the earth, if there was an earthquake, or if his idea was that there was like a hydraulic hammer inside the subterranean chamber that would basically hammer the earth and create these mini earthquakes,
that basically shot up these electrons into the pyramid, charged all of the granite and limestone in the pyramid, and that somehow combined with chemicals going in the shafts of the queen's chamber, then going up.
Through resonating through the grand gallery, the combination of this charged granite with all the electrons, the sound that was coming through the grand gallery, and the chemical combustion that was happening inside the queen's chamber created some sort of pro some sort of crazy reaction in the king's chamber that utilized those laser or masers, those shafts that go out of the king's chamber.
And they that somehow, you know, according to his theory.
Would be a way to provide a free energy for whatever civilization was there.
Yep.
I think, well, even, I don't even think, I think there might be something to that.
I also think, though, it doesn't even have to be that complicated.
I mean, you have, right now, if you were to, if you were to stand on top of the Great Pyramid with a, just take a wine bottle and you put a wet rag on it and hold it up, sparks will start shooting off of it.
What?
Yeah.
Just from the natural generation of the, uh, the static electricity that's built up from the desert and through the pyramid.
So if you were to put an arc, which is designed to literally build up static electricity with this superconductive substance right in the center of it, it's going to generate a ton of electricity to broadcast in the region.
And in fact, let's look at the word pyramid itself.
Pyramid literally means, Pyrrha means fire.
Mid means middle.
So, fire in the middle.
That's literally what pyramid means, right?
Wasn't there like some sort of thing missing from the top of it?
Like there was a capstone.
Yeah, there was a capstone.
Or like a metal thing on top, maybe.
Yeah, I think that there's different theories that the bin bin, the top capstone.
So, here's actually the pictures of the woolly mammoth.
Oh, yeah.
And the giant sloth on leashes.
What the fuck?
Yeah, and if you go to.
Can you zoom out a little bit on that?
Yeah, yeah.
There's another picture I just sent him that's the same image without my hand in it.
But you can see the people.
Oh, wow.
See, there's these tall, tall white dudes with red beards.
This is in one of the tombs in Egypt, right?
In the Valley of the Kings, right?
Clearly, the pharaohs never saw woolly mammoths and giant sloths.
So clearly, they were trying to preserve the memory of these things from the previous time, which was known as the Zeptepi, the.
The original time.
Yeah.
You know, so prior to the cataclysm.
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Also, these things, these vases.
Incredible.
Yeah.
They're, you know, you met with Matt.
Yeah.
Matt Bell, who bought like a few dozen of those things.
And they're like, they measured them.
They measured them in laser scanners, light machines, whatever.
And they're like perfectly symmetrical.
Perfectly.
And they're the hardest stone on earth, one of the hardest stones on earth.
Right.
And they're thin.
They're almost as thin as a sheet of paper.
Yeah.
You can almost see through them.
And some of them, you can shine a light.
You can shine a light.
Yeah.
Flashlight in them.
And you can see the light right through it.
It's insane.
Yeah, those are evidence of a technology that, I mean, we'd be hard pressed to be able to make that today.
You know, people don't think about that.
But yeah, I had Flint Dibble on here and he said he thought it would be easy to do this.
Well, good luck.
Do it.
Yeah.
Well, apparently there's this YouTube channel that tried to do it.
I don't think they did a good job.
I think it took them like a couple of years and they came up with like this thing that looked like a potato at the end of it.
Yeah.
Well, I, yeah, I mean, with that hard of stone and that type of precision, you really do need.
Like, why?
Why?
Why does it have to be like that?
Why does it be so perfect?
Yeah, I know.
Well, because I think they wanted to prove that they could, you know.
I mean, it's, it's, it's, yeah, most people, they go to the Cairo Museum, they see those stone vases.
They don't think anything of it.
They think, oh, it's just a vase they made out of stone.
But they're not realizing.
Number one, if we accept what the archaeologists say, which is that the Egyptians only had copper tools, yeah.
Well, copper can't cut that.
No.
You know, copper can't.
You can't use a copper drill to drill into that.
The copper will melt.
I mean, it won't even budge to the stone.
So, you need a diamond drill to even go into something like that.
And then you need high pressure and water pump.
Yeah, there's so many gaping holes in the general consensus of how the pyramids were built and why they built them, and even the timing of the pharaohs and all that.
And yeah, one of the.
The whole idea that Khufu built the pyramid too is ridiculous.
I mean, that's all based on Weiss, who was an archaeologist who was known for forging things and with red ochre paint.
He got caught doing this in other places in Egypt.
And it just so happens while he was in the Great Pyramid, you know, he sent his workers home.
And the next day, lo and behold, he found with red ochre paint Khufu's name.
Uh, in hieroglyphs up in the upper relieving chambers of the pyramid, but um, uh, there's several problems with that.
One of which is he spelled Khufu's name wrong, so it's like, so you're gonna tell me you're gonna build this if Khufu built this giant monument, he's just gonna like, yeah, have his name spelled wrong up in the upper relieving chambers, right?
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I mean, it's ridiculous.
So, yes, it's very clear that he forged it, and uh, yeah, but people have been believing it ever since, so yeah, no, it's crazy.
I was shocked when Flint.
Was trying to make that argument about these vases.
I just didn't see the logic there.
But to give him credit, though, one of the things that I think Flint made a very solid case for was for Atlantis.
And he happens to be one of his areas of expertise and where he studied his whole life was Athens.
And he's basically excavated Athens to the very beginning.
And so, if there's anyone to talk, and he knows he can read Greek, he understands all the history of the Greeks and the archaeology of Athens and Greek and Greece and all that.
So, he understands the stories.
And I don't know if you've ever heard him talk about Atlantis, but the case that he makes is pretty solid.
It seems pretty solid.
Because, and I've talked to other classicists about Plato, and I don't know how much.
I don't know how solid of a foundation.
I don't know how, if Plato is the strongest support for Atlantis or not, but it seems like there's a lot of things that Plato talked about.
Like, for example, Plato was not a historian.
He was a philosopher who came up with hypothetical ideas, you know, like Plato's cave.
Right.
Right.
The allegory of the cave and all that stuff.
And he came up with, I think it was Critias or Timaeus or whatever, when they were talking about Atlantis, the idea was that, which.
Flynn explained to me that it was like a hypothetical war game between Athens and this other civilization, right?
And how to do it.
He also, there's also, Plato had an idea of how to create a civilization and he had like the Plato's noble lie about having the philosopher kings.
And, you know, Plato was also a big advocate of censorship.
He wanted to get rid of Homer.
Sure.
He didn't think Homer should have been taught to the students.
He wanted basically to create this Santa Claus for society.
Right, right.
Keep everyone to fit into, you know, to follow the rules and to fit in and to create this functional society.
And according to experts I've talked to that read ancient Greek and ancient texts, is that, I mean, even Aristotle claimed that Plato was a known liar.
Right.
Sure.
So, you know, I feel like to take that into context of when he's talking about this war between Athens and Atlantis, you can't just throw that out.
Right.
You got to, you got to.
You got to consider the fact that he was known for creating these lies and these hypothetical.
Or metaphors.
Metaphors, these philosophical ideas, right?
Sure.
Thought experiments.
But on the other hand, he said he received his information about Atlantis from Solon, who was his grandfather.
And he says that Solon learned of it from the high priests in Egypt.
Right.
And we actually know where the Atlantis story is recorded in Egypt.
It's at Edfu, at the Temple of Horus at Edfu, where it's.
It's laid out in the temple walls.
It's the building texts at Edfu.
And they talk about this great civilization where the gods came from.
And that it had collapsed from a.
They depicted it as a giant serpent in the sky that came down and destroyed it.
And that they escaped on boats and they fled to Egypt.
And then they started setting up Egypt to be a.
A repository of the Atlantean information.
So, do you know the linear, or do you know the chain of transmission for the Atlantis story?
Like, if we take Plato, Plato got it from Socrates, right?
No, Plato got it from his grandfather.
Plato got it from his grandfather?
I thought he got it from Socrates.
No, Solon.
Okay.
He got it from Solon's grandfather.
So, Solon was Plato's grandfather?
Correct, yeah.
And then he got it from the priests in Egypt.
And then Solon.
So, how.
From the time Plato wrote it down, how many years was it before Solon told it to him?
Well, I don't know, probably maybe 20 or so.
I mean, it wasn't that long.
But what's interesting is Plato does place.
The fall of Atlantis 9,000 years before him, which would have put it exactly.
That was before Athens was even there.
Correct.
Yeah, exactly.
So he said Atlantis existed 9,000 years before, and it had collapsed 9,000 years before him.
Yeah.
So, and that would have put it in Plato's time, that would have put it exactly at the time of the younger Dryas.
I have this thing, I have it saved somewhere.
Let me pull this up because this will be, I think, informative for us to look at.
I have a screenshot of this a while back.
I have the, and you can probably confirm whether how accurate this is.
It is basically the chain of transmission of the Atlantis story.
Cool.
You know, what's interesting is it's hard to remember it.
What's interesting is one of the things that Plato talks about with Atlantis is he says that the colors of Atlantis were black, red, and white.
And those were also the colors of Egypt, which is why Egypt's flag is black, red, and white.
Interesting.
And those are also the colors of the alchemical process.
Of the transmutations, they go through the changes from black to red to white as you're working them in the lab.
Those are also the colors of the Templar Order.
That's why the Templar flag was black and white with a red cross on it.
And some people have said to me, well, so from a Templar perspective, the Templar Order was really founded to seek out, they understood that there were all these flood stories.
Right from all these different cultures that they are encountering, they all had these flood stories, and they understood that there was they originally were looking at it from a Noah perspective like that there had been this civilization that had collapsed from the flood, right?
But when they encountered the Druze and the Sabaeans and others who were translating the works of Plato, they came to learn of the Atlantis story, and so.
They determined that this great civilization of antiquity was probably Atlantis, and that they were trying to find the remnants of Atlantis.
They're trying to find the technologies, the philosophies, and the knowledge of Atlantis to rebuild civilization.
And that's really what the Templars were doing.
Now, some of Said to me, Well, that's just something that you're making up, Tim.
But in fact, it's something that's been in our tradition a long time.
I first learned of it through the grand master before me, a man by the name of Raymond Bernard.
And he wrote a book called Secret Meeting in Rome.
And this was about his initiation in the Templar Order, and I think it was 1956.
And in that, Where in his description of his initiation of the Templar order, he learned about the Templar connection with Atlantis.
And he writes about that in his book, Secret Meeting in Rome.
So that's where I first learned of it.
And how did he learn about it?
From the Templar grandmaster who was initiating him at the time.
Yeah.
So this is the chain of transmission that I'm aware of for the Atlantis story.
Okay.
So destruction of Atlantis 9,000 years before Solon, right?
And this is in the Critias.
Right.
So, 9,000 years before Solon is apparently when it was destructed.
So, from 9,000 years ago, there's an oral history of it for a thousand years, never written down.
Then it is allegedly written down by the Egyptians 8,000 years ago or 8,000 years before Solon, right?
So it's talked about for 1,000 years, only oral, finally written down 1,000 years later.
This is in Timaeus.
But there's no, we still don't have any writings of this, right?
There is, actually.
It's at the Temple of Horus at Edfu.
Okay.
It's on the temple walls.
Okay, with the building texts there.
Okay, so then the priest.
Reads the records, right?
Which is a thousand years, or which is how long after?
So the priest reads the records, years pass, and then he tells his memory of the records to Solon without consulting the records.
Solon tells his relative Dropides.
Dropides tells his son Critias the Elder.
At age 90, Critias the Elder tells it to his 10 year old grandson, Critias the Younger.
Then Critias the Younger tells it to Socrates.
Then 50 years later, Plato writes it down.
Right.
Which is wild.
So apparently, okay, so you're saying that it's written down by the Egyptians.
Okay, this is saying it's written down allegedly by the Egyptians 8,000 years before Solon, right?
After this destruction of Atlantis.
And this is in the Edfu texts.
Yeah, so what happened was they had it written down on these parchments that they were passing down for centuries.
And then that's somewhere along the line, they decided we better get this, like, On the temple wall, so it's preserved.
And when, so when was that written?
When were those Edfu texts written?
Do we know?
I'd have to look at when the temple of Horus was built at Edfu.
Okay.
We'd have to look up when the temple of Horus at Edfu was built.
Can we look up when the temple of Horus at Edfu was built?
And so it was written in the walls?
Yeah, they inscribed it on the temple walls so that it would be preserved.
And so you can still see it there to this day.
Where it's known as the building text.
And it was when they learned how to build in ancient Egypt.
Okay.
And it was from this episode of the gods.
200 BC.
So that's when they incorporated it on the walls.
That says when it was built.
Right, right.
When they incorporated it on the walls there.
So they wrote it down.
But it came from these earlier texts.
And then they.
They started in.
But we don't have the text.
We don't have the text.
They've crumbled.
Yeah, we don't.
We know.
So, like, what the point that that thing was making.
There's legends that there's a hall of records underneath the Sphinx.
Yes, I've heard that.
Where all this stuff is preserved.
Yeah.
So, just looking at this, it's like, I mean, how serious can we take it when you have this, you know, a thousand years oral history, then it's like this game of telephone through millennia?
Sure, sure.
And then you have Plato writing it down.
He's not a very good.
And I would concede that Plato, you know, he would write things in metaphor.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, he would take.
I once was told, given some good advice.
It says you need to learn to read.
Sometimes you need to read history as myth and myth as history.
You know, you have to look at it both ways.
Yeah.
Because sometimes there's things that are contained in the.
It's like.
Yeah, I mean, there's all kinds of things that are passed down in nursery rhymes or in, you know, stories that could just get changed throughout slightly throughout history.
But if you take it back to its source, there's some real truth to it.
And yeah, as far as Atlantis goes, I think part of it was metaphor for sure.
But I think part of it was there's probably something to it.
Maybe.
I mean, the fact that he places the collapse of Atlantis 9,000 years previously.
Before Solon.
Which would have put it exactly at the Younger Dryas cataclysm.
Exactly.
Yeah, that's true.
That's spot on.
That is true.
And that's, you know, I think we have to consider that.
Yeah, I think so too.
But like.
Now, where Atlantis was.
We got a wobbly table still.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
I don't believe Atlantis was like an island somewhere.
I think Randall believes it was in the Azores.
Yeah, Randall believes it's in the Azores.
There's some Templar traditions that suggest that, too.
In fact, that's the whole reason why Portugal owns the Azores, right?
Because Portugal was founded as a Templar state.
Right, exactly.
And Portugal was founded as a Templar state, and they acquired the Azores.
And there's some tradition to say Mount Pico.
In the Azores, it was actually the top of a very large mountain where the Atlanteans worshiped.
That's just one tradition, though.
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I mean, I think that if there was an Atlantis, it was more of a worldwide network culture, more of a worldwide empire, like the British Empire.
You know, I mean, you would find if.
If civilization collapsed right as the British Empire was at its peak, you'd find English all over the world.
And there would be a debate about where this empire base was.
And I think it was a similar type of deal.
I think Atlantis, I think if it was real, it's probably still there.
And that's where all these UFOs are flying around.
They're all coming from Atlantis.
It's like this underwater base that they're all going to.
Maybe it's run by AI.
I don't know.
Maybe it's just like still super advanced under the water.
Yeah.
Quite possibly.
I mean, we've explored more of the moon than we have of the oceans.
It's like, there's a lot we don't know about the ocean.
We've explored like what?
I think it's like 5% of our ocean floors.
Well, the other thing you have to keep in mind too is, you know, the Mayans and the Nahuatl cultures of the Americas, they have the same myth of Atlantis, but they call it Atlan.
Oh, yeah.
So the fact that you have Atlan.
Of the indigenous Maya and Nuado cultures called it Atslan.
Plato called it Atlantis.
It's pretty much the same word.
And then who took it after Plato?
Was it Ignatius Donnelly?
Was he the first one to take the ball and run with it after Plato?
Well, he wrote the most authoritative work on it early on, I would say.
Donnelly was known for two things.
He wrote on Atlantis, and he wrote on the idea that Francis Bacon wrote the Shakespeare plays.
Those were the two things he focused on.
So, but yeah, Donnelly definitely picked it up pretty big.
And then, you know, then people have been running with it ever since.
Yeah.
And Donnelly also believed that it was in the middle of the Atlantic.
Other people have suggested it may have been in Antarctica, you know, before it iced over.
Some people have even suggested it was the planet Mars.
And that there were beings coming over from Mars, and that's the reason why it was described as red, black, and white, because those are the colors of Mars.
Whoa.
And that Mars is about the same size as what Plato was suggesting.
I mean, that's a whole nother thing getting out there, but there are different theories on it.
I will say that there's a, in Egypt, There's also an island called Elephantine Island in the middle of the Nile.
And it has a number of things there that shouldn't be there.
I mean, there's a.
First of all, it looks like a bomb went off on the island.
I mean, there's huge, you know, 700 ton structures that have just been blown to the side.
There's granite, or not granite, I can't think of it, but there's stone buildings that have been blown apart into literally like pieces.
And there's speculation that there's an ark that's there to this day.
I mean, there's German scientists who've been digging there for decades now trying to get to it.
But yeah, but there's other things that they found on the island, including boomerangs, which.
Or they call them magic throwing sticks, which seem to connect some sort of connection between the Egyptians and Australia.
And there's also a temple of Tutmosis III on the island.
And in the temple, they have depicted Mayans meeting with Egyptians.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, very clear.
How can you tell they're Mayans?
Because they have big Mayan headdresses and they're dressed the same way the Mayans dress.
Really?
And they're trading beads with the Egyptians.
And the hieroglyphs talk about the two that they were brothers on either side of the big body of water.
Wow.
But that suggests that the Egyptians were probably trying to go find, in antiquity, were probably trying to go find people that they were connected to previously.
And the fact that both have the same Atlantis myth.
They both built pyramids.
They both built pyramids.
Yeah, it suggests that there may be some connection there in antiquity.
And that, I mean, the fact that, again, the Mayans have, not only that, but the Mayans, not only do they have the same Atlantis myth, which they just call Atslan, they say they escaped Atslan in boats.
You know, and fled to the Yucatan where they are now.
But they refer to the people of Atlan as the Itza, which just means like water wizard.
So they refer to them as water wizards.
But the fact that they have this whole myth, same myth as Plato talks about, is bizarre.
And I'll tell you, even at the, if you go to Nakamul, which is the second tallest pyramid in the Mayan world, It's in the Yucatan in Mexico.
What's it called again?
Nakamul.
Nakamul?
Yeah.
It's on the very top of the pyramid, there are tridents.
And I think that the Mayan also had this figure known as the Falling God figure.
But his body is in the shape of a trident.
And of course, the trident was the symbol of Poseidon.
Of who is the god of Atlantis?
So, yeah, there it is.
There it is.
That's the second biggest pyramid?
Yeah, second tallest pyramid in the Mayan world.
Yeah, and at the very top of it, you can't see it, but there's like a little structure on the very top.
But on that structure is these trident shapes, right?
Type in tridents after the word, Steve.
After the go back, type in trident.
Yeah, you probably won't.
No, you won't have it on there.
No, no one's allowed up there.
Oh, okay.
I got.
I've got some photos of them at one point in time.
Oh, man, you've been everywhere.
Yeah, yeah.
World traveler.
But, you know, the Mayans, they also have a.
They have a.
I'll tell you, the Templars were trading silver with them clear back in the 1200s.
And to this day, the Mayans have preserved.
Like, for example, they create their altars the same way the Templars do, and they even put an equal armed cross on their altars, just like the Templars do.
And they perform a ceremony where they symbolically kill the person and then raise them back to life.
And the Templars perform the same ceremony.
Yeah.
And the Egyptians perform the same ceremony.
This dying and rising gods, this pagan thing, this goes back, this is echoed everywhere.
Exactly.
And it was, we believe it was one of the initial rites of Atlantis.
And the reason why we believe that is because there is a certain hand grip that you're given when you're raised from that.
And that hand grip is universal, attached with that death and raising ceremony.
And the only way that could be is if they had all got it from the same place.
In fact, the Hopi have a myth.
They say at one point in time, all the different people of the world were together, and that the Great Spirit gave them this secret hand grip to recognize each other by, and then sent them off in different directions.
And that the Hopi ended up settling where they are now in Arizona.
And that they say when the first conquistadors came across the land, they went to give them the grip, and the conquistadors just dropped trinkets in their hands.
And they knew there was going to be problems because one of the races of man had forgotten the grip.
Oh, Jesus.
But the Templars have passed on that grip.
And.
What is it?
How does it work?
Oh, I can't tell you that.
It's a secret.
It's a secret?
It's a secret.
Come on.
But I'll tell you, it's known by, it's practiced by.
Cultures as diverse as the Hopi, the Maya, the Druze of Lebanon, the Sufi tradition, some Sufi traditions pass it on, the Templars, Templar based traditions pass it on, including the Freemasons.
And it's all the same.
Does Randall know the same thing?
Yeah, he does.
Does he?
Yeah.
And why do you guys keep it a secret?
Because people have to prove themselves.
You know, before they're able to go through that initiation right.
And I mean, it's not something you just do on somebody.
First of all, you wouldn't do that initiation right on somebody.
They could wildly misinterpret it.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Well, you're symbolically killing the person.
With the handshake?
No.
Oh.
You symbolically kill them.
Pull this back a little bit.
Yeah.
You symbolically kill them.
And then if you do it right, They have an out of body experience.
So at that point, they know that who they really are transcends the physical body.
And then there's no more fear of death, which is why so many people have gone through this and have gone on to become great leaders because they weren't afraid of speaking the truth and of doing things that could get them killed.
Because, worst case scenario, you die.
But you know, you still survive.
And this rite has been a part of Freemasons since the beginning.
Yep.
And it's interesting the founding fathers are Freemasons.
Yeah, they all went through it.
Yeah.
And it's wild to think about.
And it's a Templar rite, it's a Templar initiation rite that was being done by Templars, you know, clear back in the 1100s.
They learned of it.
We still perform this initiation rite in the Great Pyramid.
You perform it in the Great Pyramid?
Yeah, to this day.
You guys like rent out the whole pyramid?
Yeah, they just give it to us for the night.
And we, about once or twice a year, we do this initiation.
How can I go?
How do I get hazed into the Freemasons?
Well, you'd have to join a Masonic lodge to go through that.
But there are other Templar traditions that you can go through that you don't have to become a Mason to go through it.
Oh, okay.
But.
Yeah, we do.
We do this.
Napoleon received this initiation in the Great Pyramid.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, he refused to talk about what he experienced for the rest of his life.
He told people he wouldn't believe he went through it in the Great Pyramid.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can't remember the exact date.
It was uh, uh, 18.
I want to say I don't know.
I'd have to look it up, but we have the exact date in the archives of when he was he went through it in the Great Pyramid, but um.
Yeah, this initiation rite that's done in the Great Pyramid has been done, is echoed in different ways in different traditions all over the world.
Include the Mayans perform the exact same ceremony, and in fact, I first thought I remember when I first saw it when I went down and met with Maya down in the Yucatan.
And I they allowed me to see their initiation rites because I gave them this grip, right?
This handshake, and so they knew I knew, I knew, right?
So they allowed me to participate.
And when I first saw it, I thought.
Oh, they must have learned this from the Templars when the Templars were coming over here and trading with them.
But in fact, then they took me to a.
They had like a.
It's kind of sad.
They had recently taken apart one of their pyramids in order to use the stones to build fences.
Mm hmm.
For their property in the jungle, which is kind of a sad commentary, but um, in the process of taking apart the pyramid, they found all these artifacts in the pyramid, and so they took a they created like a mobile home and they turned it into a like a little mini museum where they could house the artifacts.
In this, they took me to this uh, this little museum, and in it, they had all these sculptures that they pulled out of the pyramid that were depicting um.
Scenes from their initiation rite.
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And modern archaeologists have actually been able to carbon date those statues.
And they go back to about 900 of our current era, which means that's long before the Templars ever came over, right?
Because the Templars weren't even founded until 1096.
Right.
So these were dated 200 years before the Templar order was ever founded.
Which means they were doing these initiation rites before the Templars ever came over, which means that they were passing on a tradition that was the same tradition that the Egyptians were doing.
That's where the, you know, through different lineages out of the Egyptians ultimately coming to the Templars, that's how the Templars got it.
So it means it's a universal thing.
That was being practiced all over the world, from which means it all had to have come from a common source, right?
Which seems to suggest Atlantis, yeah, it's the common source.
Wow, because both the Mayans and the Egyptians talk about it, that's where Plato learned of it.
So, Jesus Christ, man, yeah, the mysteries, yeah.
Um, there's also.
I was watching your show that you do with Matt Bell, and you talk.
Apparently, you have the bones of Jesus.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is that for real?
Yes, for real.
That's one of the things that's in these vaults that we got.
So, we got two vaults that we used to have seven vaults.
One of them used to be.
You're talking about the Templar Order.
The Templar Order.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, when they came over, they set up a series of vaults.
One of them was actually at Oak Island.
But we, you know, where the show Oak Island is, they keep digging.
Oh.
Everything.
All the major stuff was moved out of there by 1765.
So, I mean, they may find some coins or maybe a few things in there, but all the major stuff was moved out of that vault back in 1765.
I hate to break it to them, but that's why they haven't found anything yet.
Oh, okay.
But there used to be seven vaults.
They've since been condensed into two vaults.
And in these vaults, we have.
The six arcs that we've acquired, as well as several different ossuaries of bones of ostensibly Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, and their children.
So, what appears is that Mary Magdalene, who was a wealthy woman, she.
Kind of was a patron and became the wife of John the Baptist, and they had children.
Well, then when John the Baptist was killed, Jesus was like the next in command, basically, to lead that movement.
And so, Mary Magdalene, because he was the cousin of John the Baptist, Jesus was the cousin of John the Baptist, it was lawful for Mary Magdalene to remarry.
The cousin, right, in order to stay in the family.
So she remarried Jesus and then they had children.
And so this was their tomb.
We believe it was the Talpiat tomb of East Jerusalem that the order had originally found back in the Middle Ages.
And they removed all the bones and they placed within it three skulls, kind of as.
Guardians to mark the space.
They placed them in the east, the west, and the south of the tomb as markers or wardens of the tomb.
And then they took all the bones out.
And yeah, that's part of what we brought over to the New World, as well as other things that we found.
Have you ever seen any of this stuff?
Yeah, I've seen some of it.
You've seen it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For real.
For real, yeah.
In the vaults.
In the vaults.
Yeah.
Well, I know one of them.
One of them I've seen.
So you've seen the arcs and you've seen the bones?
I've seen early photos of them from the last time they were opened.
And I know exactly where the vaults are.
And Stephen, lock the doors.
So when was the last time the vaults were opened?
It would have been about 40 years ago.
We're looking at opening one of them.
Soon, actually.
I think, you know, we're planning on it.
I'm working with Scott Walter, and who's, you know, the chief forensic geologist who has the expertise and has been searching this stuff ever since he started studying the Kensington runestone.
We have, but we know exactly where these vaults are.
And one of them we probably won't be able to open anytime soon because of where it's located.
But the other one, we're thinking about opening again soon, like within the next year or two.
And then making that known to the world.
So, the vault that you went to, where was that roughly?
You don't have to give me an exact location.
It's in the American Northwest.
I got a question.
Yeah.
Does the Vatican know you guys have this and what do they think about it?
The Vatican knows.
There's several vaults around the world.
Actually, the Vatican tried to break into one of the vaults a few years ago.
There's a vault also in Istanbul that was an old Templar vault.
It has.
This one is the one in Istanbul.
It actually has one of those boxes, like in the Serapium, but it's down underground, and there's certain artifacts that are in it.
And the order was protecting that for a long time.
Now.
Turkish antiquities protects it, but they know about it and they keep us informed too about it.
But a few years ago, the Vatican tried to break into it.
So they're hunting for these things, but they don't know where this is.
Has anyone verified or tried to do testing on the bones?
Not yet, but that's something we want to do.
That's part of the.
That's part of the.
And how would you confirm or deny that it was from Jesus?
It was Jesus.
Well, we know.
How should I say this?
This is sensitive information.
So there are, as I understand it, certain fragments that exist.
That were found recently in the Talpiot tomb.
Where's that?
In the ossuaries in East Jerusalem.
This is originally where these bones came from back during the time of the Crusades.
It's where they pulled them out of.
So we would be able to match, assuming the story all lines up with what our history has said and the ship logs and everything else.
We would be able to verify that these bones match in DNA to the fragments that they've found in the Talpiot tomb recently, first of all.
And then that would place them with that.
And then at that point, any other genetic testing would be, you know, could be done publicly so that people are aware of everything.
We're not trying to hide it, we've just been trying to protect it.
It was very much understood.
When this tomb was discovered, which had the names of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and John the Baptist on the ossuaries, that if these had been turned over to the Vatican, they would have just disappeared.
If they'd been turned over to the Pope, they would have made them disappear because it is.
It is contrary to the Christian faith.
Right.
If the, at least the modern interpretation.
Yes.
Now, from a Templar standpoint, there's no contradiction because the Templars believe that the resurrection, again, was the anastasis.
It was just the awakening to Gnosis.
So there wasn't necessarily a bodily resurrection to begin with.
Right.
And.
From a Templar perspective, we also believe in reincarnation.
And we believe that there are passages in the New Testament that justify reincarnation.
And so, to us, being born again is literally just being born again.
You know what I mean?
Shit, dude.
And that one of the mysteries, the mystery of the Christos, That universal consciousness is realizing that, uh, A, you don't ever really die, right?
You, you, you just change, you know, your soul lives on, and, uh, and B, you can reincarnate, and, uh, and that, uh, it's all a part of that universal consciousness as we, as we go in and out of that.
And, uh, and it's all about that universal consciousness coming to know itself and, In new ways.
So, and this is why, by the way, this is why even in the New Testament, the disciples go to Jesus and they say, Jesus, the people are saying that the prophet Elias has come back.
And Jesus says, well, he has come back, but most people don't recognize who he is.
And then it says, and then the disciples understood he was referring to John the Baptist.
Well, that's implying that the prophet Elias, that John the Baptist is the reincarnation of the prophet Elias, right?
Because we know who John the Baptist's parents were.
So we know he was born.
Right.
So if he's coming back, if he's the prophet Elias coming back, then that means he's the reincarnation of the prophet Elias.
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Wow.
Right.
But that's not how it's normally taught in churches.
No.
Right?
Or in Christian doctrine.
Right.
But it's right there in the New Testament.
And so to Tumblrs, it's not a problem that we found the bones, right?
It doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't still exist.
He just means he's reincarnated in some other form, you know?
Wow, man.
This has been.
Oh, what do we got?
Patreon?
We got some people on Patreon to ask you some questions.
Oh, yes.
We're going to wrap up the podcast.
Thank you again for doing this, man.
Mind bending.
A lot of information.
Yeah.
All over the place.
Where can people find you online and get in touch with you if they want to?
They can, well, they can certainly find me on Facebook, Timothy W. Hogan, or also there's a Timothy Hogan page, author page.
You can find me on, you can also find me on Instagram.
You can find me on Twitter or X. Cool.
Yeah, just shoot me the links and I'll put them in the show notes below.
Sounds good.
Sweet.
All right, man.
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