Ryan Bledsoe and Hal Poppenmeier reveal how the CIA and NASA investigated UFO phenomena, linking 1950s nuclear test cessation to dimensional shocks and teardrop vessels of sentient light. Through hypnotic regression, Bledsoe's father recalled guardians protecting humanity from dark forces, while intelligence agencies warned that premature disclosure would trigger fear-based narratives by 2025. The discussion connects these entities to suppressed divine feminine wisdom, Rosicrucian traditions, and a hierarchy resembling angelic orders, suggesting that rising collective consciousness will expose materialistic limitations and render current power structures obsolete. [Automatically generated summary]
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Triangle on Alien Bodies00:15:16
Ryan.
Thanks for coming, bro.
Yeah, man.
I love your podcast.
I love your merch.
Thanks for the hat.
You're very welcome.
Check it out.
I won't wear it because I got my headphones, but I love the logo, the triangle with the flying saucer.
Is that the triangle that your dad saw on the aliens' bodies?
Yeah, so you wanted to get into that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We talked about this briefly before we started recording.
I'm really a big proponent of.
I guess you could call it like esoterica, you know, things like that.
And yeah, so the idea came to me before we came out with the show like, I need to have a sigil.
I need to have a symbol.
Are you familiar with a sigil, what that means?
So a sigil is the notion that you have a symbol, usually a geometric symbol, that has some sort of metaphorical or metaphysical meaning packed behind it that.
Is impactful on the subconscious mind.
So the idea is that the more people are viewing the symbol and spreading the symbol and are aware of the symbol, its power grows out into the real world.
So the meaning behind the symbol is yes, when dad encountered these entities, they had the triangle on their chest, which represented the trinity of creation, right?
The idea that there's a masculine and a feminine force of nature that are creating us, you know, the divine mother, the divine father, etc.
But, um, The UFO and the triangle represent the union of the UFO phenomenon and the spiritual forces.
It's also like the pyramids of Egypt because the beings showed them the pyramid.
So it's the notion that the UFO phenomenon is truly one and the same with spiritual phenomenon.
So that's this symbol just came to me like this is it.
It also is the philosopher's stone.
If you look at it, it's like the triangle with the circle.
Very ancient symbol in alchemy.
What did you say?
What would you call it?
The philosopher what?
It's like the philosopher's stone.
It's an ancient alchemical symbol.
Oh.
Which is like basically, you know, through your mind, through perception, through your thoughts and your willpower, you can sort of change reality or, you know, manifest.
So it's a play on that.
It's just a play on these things.
You know, does it have any magical power to it?
Maybe not, but it's cool, right?
That's the idea behind it.
It's super cool.
I love it.
It's a beautiful design.
Thank you.
So what's going on with your dad, dude?
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I mean, it depends on the day.
Okay, so what do you think is really going on in the sky with these orbs you're seeing?
Like, what is it?
Like, what are the orbs?
What are those orbs?
I went out with him the night before we recorded the podcast.
I'm sure they told you.
Your sister and your dad told you.
Well, I called, remember?
And I said, Was that the same night?
Yeah.
I called because I had wrapped recording and I called to speak to you and you were out there.
We went on the beach the night before and we sat out there for probably.
How long were we out there, Steve?
For an hour?
I thought it was two hours.
It might have been two hours, but we were out there for at least 45 minutes to an hour before we saw an orb.
There were lots of planes and like flying through the sky.
And then the.
Orbs, they were way different than the planes.
Like they were coming up off the horizon, going back down, disappearing behind the horizon, moving to the left, then fading out, and then popping back up.
Like it was very clear on video.
I have no idea what they are.
Yeah, it's like, it's hard, man.
It's hard to say exactly, right?
Because it's like you got people out there and like, well, we don't know.
How could you know?
But it's on the other hand of the spectrum, it's like, well, I think I have a.
Pretty good idea because I've been seeing them since I was young, you know.
And based on, you know, everything that I've observed of them, the way they behave, the way they interact, most people don't like kind of approaching this part of the conversation, but also based on what these entities have told my dad they are.
I'm not sure if you're aware of that part yet, but they actually have told him a thing or two, you know.
And they said they're guardians.
For people that are listening, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can fill in the blank.
They actually said things to my dad, they gave him a message.
They gave him a long message, you know.
They said they're the guardians.
They said that they work for creation, that they created us, they protect us from the forces of darkness and things like that.
And through the aeons, meaning, you know, the ages, thousands and thousands of years, they have sort of like overseen our, you could say, evolution here.
That they basically put us here and they monitor us and they guide us and they keep us from going extinct, keep us from, you know, getting wiped out or our.
Biology mutating too far out of control.
You know, so it's like, what are they?
I don't know.
To me, when I think, here's the problem the problem is, you know, I want to say what I really think they are, but then people out there get offended, you know, because if you say it's an alien, then you hurt the spiritual crowd.
If you say it's an angel, then you hurt the atheist, you know, alien crowd.
Yeah.
What I really think they are, I think that they are beings of a vibration that is much higher than ours.
I think that they have evolved past dense.
Material reality.
I think that they are probably purely enlightened.
Funny because the word light is in the middle of it, you know, enlightened.
And I think that they are light.
I think that they actually are the vibration and frequency of light, which, you know, is beyond physical.
They come from another place.
You know, they come from a place that is eternal.
You could call it the spirit world, you could call it string theory, other dimensions, whatever.
Either way, I've seen them.
Pop in and disappear and do crazy magical things.
So, yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Do you think that there's something that's in like a place that is like a deeper dimension of reality?
Like, there's that's like goes beyond our three dimensions, maybe like four or five or six dimensions, and then like can peek through whenever it decides it wants to?
Exactly.
I tend to think that it's more like we're the false dimension, you know, like knock on wood, we're the dream, we're the illusion.
And that they come from the real place.
They come from the eternal place, which is what they told my dad.
We come from the eternal place.
It's basically like the spirit world.
It's a dimension that's permanent and it's beyond material reality.
And they basically said, like, nothing here is of any object to us.
I mean, we could, or obstacle to us, you know, we could pop out of your light bulb, we could walk through your wall, we can vibrate through the atoms, we can do anything, you know.
When I think of these beings, I think.
In terms of the various mythologies around the world, you know, I think of like Irish fairies.
I think of like Arabic jinn or genies.
I think of biblical angels.
I think of like the Nagas, you know, the, I think it's, I could be wrong here, but the Japanese snake beings that come from the sky.
I mean, you have all these different myths of these different beings that come down and they're divine.
Right.
Maybe it's all the same thing.
Yeah.
I think it's likely all the same thing, right?
It's something spiritual.
That's what I know.
That's all I know.
And you can experience these things the same way your dad can?
The same way, no.
I have yet.
How old were you when you first started seeing those orbs in the sky with your dad?
13.
13.
And I'm just turned 30.
You just turned 30?
Yeah.
What did you think about this when you were 13 years old?
What was your first reaction to this and your dad going through all this stuff?
God bless my grandfather.
I just have to say that and get it out of the way.
Two days ago was the 10 year anniversary of his passing.
I don't want to speak ill of the dead.
It's just a funny story, although at the time it wasn't funny.
But when I was 13 years old, the week that this stuff started happening, I got off the school bus.
And I actually, he was my next door neighbor, my grandfather.
Your grandfather was.
Yeah.
And a lot of days I would get off the bus.
And, you know, my brothers were in high school, my sister was in elementary school.
So it was this awkward period where it was just me home for hours, you know.
So I would go next door.
And I go this one day, and my grandpa says, Boy, your daddy's been out in the woods smoking dope.
He's been seeing them green booger men.
And I'm like, you know, I'm just a 13 year old kid.
I'm like, what?
That's, you know, what do you mean?
I don't understand.
Right.
And I go home that night.
And sure enough, my brother and my dad started telling me what happened.
They saw things in the woods and they, you know, exactly like the story he told you.
I mean, he told all of it to me, minus the regression that hadn't happened yet, you know.
But so, yeah, immediately I believed him.
I believed my dad.
Despite what my grandpa said, I believed my dad because I saw him in the eyes.
Or, you know, I stared at him in the eyes and I could see how sincere he was.
And also, like, children believe in magic anyway.
They kind of believe in fairy tales and stuff.
So I didn't have a hard time accepting it.
But over the coming weeks, so what happened was dad was so desperate to be believed that he would start dragging us out of bed.
They're out here right now.
Get out here.
Get out here.
You know, four in the morning, three in the morning, five in the morning, whatever.
He would go out and he would sit there and look at the sky at night and wait to see them.
And he was so desperate.
He would just get us out there.
And we saw.
I mean, it was within weeks that I started to see for myself.
I believed right away.
I never doubted.
I mean, here I am today.
I'm 30 years old and I'm, you know, I'm doing the thing.
I'm going out there and trying to help and, you know, tell the story.
And I feel like it's my burden as much as it is his and my siblings.
And I've always believed, you know?
Yeah.
So have you.
Ever since that happened and you started seeing this stuff, did that like heighten your focus on this sort of the history of like a religion and a cult stuff and esoteric stuff and all this history of UFO phenomenon?
Did that sort of like spark your interest in all this stuff?
Yeah.
So, kind of yes and kind of no.
So, are you familiar with Pentecostal holiness?
Roughly.
I grew up Pentecostal holiness.
Which is like basically, and I say this respectfully, you know, I don't mean to ruffle any feathers, but it's basically like two levels below Amish.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
It's a very, very serious and very strict adherence to, you know, religious belief.
And I say all that to say I was already very much a person of faith, you know, from birth on to now, you know, believing something.
That's my point.
Believing something, believing God, believing something is there, you know.
And I remember being a little boy, and I have to say, you can believe all day, but sometimes I just got so bored sitting in church, you know.
And the times that I couldn't get away with whipping out my Game Boy and playing Super Metroid in church, you know, my mom slapped me on the wrist.
I'd put it away and I'd start reading the Bible.
And one thing I remember doing as a child was always being obsessed with the book of Revelations because I wanted to learn more.
At a young age, it wasn't enough for me to just.
Read what was there.
I wanted more.
I wanted something deeper.
And I guess in the Christian community, the book of Revelations is the most mystical text, right?
So I would read it over and over and over, and I was never satisfied.
I never had enough.
I just wanted more.
I figured if I kept reading it every sermon, that maybe I'd understand it differently.
Anyway, so I say all that to say I was already very, very deeply fascinated with spiritual mysteries, but Christians are taught like you're not allowed to look anywhere outside of the Bible.
Where do you go?
Well, there's nothing else out there.
It has to be right here.
Fast forward to when I'm 13 years old, I start seeing lights in the sky.
I don't have to necessarily go into all the details of, you know, dad's fallout of when he told that story because Danny already, I'm talking to the listener, Danny covered it in the episode with dad.
So I would highly encourage you listen to him first if you haven't heard that yet.
But it was a very vicious, cruel reaction, you know?
When he came out with the story.
And I was just so baffled at 13 years old that here I am with my dad and I'm having these experiences and I'm seeing these entities, yet I'm being told by everybody that it's not real, that the only thing that exists is within the Bible.
And there's no mention officially of UFOs by the government until like 2017, something like that.
Here I am.
So, what year was this when you were 18 or 13?
2007.
2007.
Yeah.
So, like, I'm really alone in the universe having these experiences.
Going to church, they're telling us it's demonic, it's not real, it's not happening.
You know, so the point is to answer your question, I was, I was, my mind was shattered very early.
I knew that there was something deeper.
I had this itch to explore what was deeper.
Then I start seeing this thing and I'm like, there has to be the entire mysteries of the creation of the universe can't be contained within one book.
It's not possible.
What about, you know, it was published 2,000 years ago.
What about between now and then?
A lot of crazy stuff has happened.
That's not in there.
What about all the stuff before it?
That's not in there either.
So there, There has to be more, you know?
So that's kind of what started me down that journey of being curious about other spiritual mysteries.
And, you know, like you said, UFO literature and lore and things like that.
And yeah, next thing you know, I'm studying like Hermeticism and Gnosticism and Rosicrucianism and the wisdom traditions and things like that.
That's where I ended up, you know?
How did like discovering this UFO phenomenon with your dad change your outlook on religion?
God Bigger Than Systems00:02:49
Well, it helped me to be more open minded, you know, to realize like, surely the thing that I've learned that's most important is that God has to be bigger than anyone's system, right?
God has to be bigger than anyone thought.
If there really is a God, let's just all pretend we don't know, right?
I think there is, you know, I do, but let's just pretend we don't know.
If there is an intelligent being that thought the universe into reality, And you look down from the perspective of, you know, just studying humanity and how we think about it, we're all just like killing each other and spiting each other and judging each other, saying, my God makes more sense.
Well, actually, mine makes more sense.
Well, I have these rules to get me closer to God.
Well, I don't care about being closer to God.
It's just about believing a certain way and sacrifice and this and that and the other.
And they all have these different rules and customs.
And the thing that I've learned is God has to be bigger than all of that, right?
God has to be.
So unfathomable, so ineffable that surely we can't understand with human words and concepts, right?
I think that what I've learned most of all is that in order to begin to conceive of what God is, we have to humble ourselves to the very fact that there are forces out there that are way greater than we can understand.
We're human, we make mistakes, it's part of our.
Design.
And I think that God is truly bigger than any one system, you know.
And like, I think that it doesn't matter so much what you think you should say or do or think or believe to try to be, you know, loyal to the deity, God, whatever, Allah, Krishna, whatever your favorite name is.
I don't even think the name matters.
I think what matters is how you treat people.
How you embody that energy, right?
If God was real, surely I would want to be a reflection of that force, right?
It's like what Jesus said.
It's like what Buddha said.
Like, you would want to embody that energy, that vibration.
You would want to actually treat other people with kindness.
I don't really think it matters so much what you believe.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like I'm kind of rambling here, but it's like actions, like treat people like Christ consciousness.
That's the simple way I can explain it.
It's like, It's so much more important to actually be good to other people.
Yes.
Cape Fear River Incident00:05:36
You know?
Yeah, definitely.
And that's sort of reflected in some of the stories your dad tells about his interactions with the beings.
Like one of the stories he said that he had an interaction with one of the couple beings outside of the forest or the tree line.
They talked about like protecting animals or like every animal is sacred and.
Right.
Like every life on earth.
All consciousness is one.
Yeah.
One.
Yeah.
Like one.
Like we're all one.
What happened with your brother, Chris Jr., like the original night?
No, like ever since then.
Because I don't think I've ever seen any interviews or anything with him.
What's he doing?
How does he cope with it?
Is he like, how did he cope with all this stuff and all this story and this whole sort of like life your dad has built?
So he's done one interview since and it's been on my show.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I can't recall the episode title off the top of my head, but actually, he's done a few since he's been on Blood Success a few times.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
No, he didn't do too well in the beginning because.
He was 17 years old and he came face to face with entities in the woods.
I mean, like, literally face to face.
I'm not, I don't recall if dad went into great detail about what happened to Junior, but about the Cape Fear River part.
Yeah.
He told about it.
I don't know how much detail he gave.
I know he said the eyes.
He mentioned the eyes.
He mentioned the eyes.
Yeah.
And he mentioned like hiding in the bushes.
Did he say the part about how Chris Junior was frozen for hours and he couldn't move and one of these entities was staring at him?
No.
In the eyes and he couldn't do anything.
He couldn't scream.
He couldn't yell.
He couldn't run.
He was just, he mentioned that.
He didn't say it was for hours though.
Yeah.
It was for hours until dad got back.
And then when dad got back from where he was, because he was missing for hours, you know, and he gets back, he's yelling for Junior, he's looking for him.
And then the beings just kind of vanish, and Junior snaps to and he's kind of well, like he can move.
So, that Cape Fear River incident, right, that your dad describes, he described on the podcast, the beginning of the podcast I did with them, they were gone for, they thought they were gone for like 45 minutes, 30 minutes, but they ended up being gone like for multiple hours.
Do they have any idea?
Does your brother or your dad have any idea where they were for that time?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm smiling because I'm glad you asked.
And I also apologize for this.
I do have a cold.
So I apologize to the listener in advance.
Sorry, you sound great.
Thank you.
But yeah, so dad was missing for four hours.
And we know this because it was corroborated by the witnesses.
And also, they came in, they did the investigation and they determined there was missing time.
I mean, it's history.
But for those who don't know, it was determined he was missing for four hours.
So eventually, they brought a hypnotherapist, like a regression therapist, a Harvard trained psychologist by the name of Michael O'Connell.
Michael O'Connell.
Yep.
And very cool guy.
And he's currently at Harvard?
He passed away.
Oh, did he?
But he, yeah, he was in the past.
It's who the Discovery Channel and Move On brought out to do his regression.
And.
Anyway, so he.
Why do all these Harvard psychiatrists die?
Sucks.
Was it of old age or did he get hit by a car?
I don't know.
He was pretty old when I met him.
Oh, was he?
I was 14.
Okay.
Yeah.
He died years ago.
And I think he generally had some serious health complications.
But yeah, I don't know about that one.
But anyway, so he did do a regression on my dad.
And they, so for context, for those out there who don't know, yes, a History Channel documentary just aired about my family in August, but.
A Discovery Channel documentary aired about us in 2008, and it was terrible.
It was just so terrible.
And anyway, they only showed like maybe 90 seconds, four minutes tops out of an hour and a half regression with all this mind blowing information.
And the part that they did air in the regression on TV was like out of context.
It was so ridiculous.
It was like something to the effect of.
They're letting the children out to play, like this, whoa, you know, sensational kind of part of it, but it was an hour and a half, right?
And for anybody who's interested in the transcript of the, is it okay if I mention episodes of my show?
Of course.
Okay.
Yeah.
So episode nine of my show, Bledso said so, I do actually verbatim go through the entire transcript.
Okay.
And of the hypnotic aggression?
Uh huh.
Yep.
I got my hands on a transcript of it and I do a reading of it.
And then in episode 17 of, again, my show, we do a full reading of his.
He had a regression years later with the female entity, commonly known as the lady.
Yeah, the lady.
So, anyway, so I do provide those regressions.
So, can you walk me through that regression?
Sure.
The first one?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I just wanted to get that out of the way so that the listener, after they hear this, they can go click and they can hear the whole thing verbatim.
But yeah, so here's what happened.
Now, I can't quote it verbatim, but I'll tell you what happened.
So.
Okay, so as Dad was telling you in the previous episode that he was on, he goes to the top of this hill, right?
Hypnotic Regression Details00:05:23
And he sees these two lights up on the horizon.
And, you know, first train of thought is like, oh, it's the sun.
Wait a minute.
There's not two suns.
That's weird.
So immediately it's fear.
He turns like he's going to run, but then he looks back and a third one appears.
Next thing he remembers, he's at the campfire.
Okay, well, that was the four hours.
So here's what happened one of those lights.
Approached him.
It came up to him, and my dad was able to recall reaching out and touching it.
But it was this thing of pure living light that was shaped like maybe like a teardrop shape.
Like he commonly draws it like the shape of a tear.
It's kind of rounded in the front and then it narrows, you know, like a football, but also kind of like a teardrop.
I don't know.
But anyway, so it's like that, but then it has these spikes of light rotating around it.
It's like.
Kind of like plasma, kind of like light that is sentient.
I can't describe it.
I try to use different words, hoping that it'll catch.
Just this ball of light floats up to him.
Yes, but it's massive.
It's a vessel of some kind.
How big would you say?
I mean, I don't know.
I wasn't there, but based on his description, probably 40 feet.
I mean, it's huge.
Wow.
You know, in the distance, it's like covering the horizon like the sun, you know, and it comes up to him and it's got these spikes of light rotating around it.
And he even recalls like the shapes of them and he reaches out to touch it.
Next thing he knows, he's in a dark room.
And he can see stars all around him, and he's surrounded by these entities, these seven to eight foot tall entities.
The ones that I see.
The big ones.
Uh huh.
Dad's freaking out.
He's like, Where's my son?
Where's my son?
Where's Chris Jr.?
And they're like, Basically, don't worry about him.
We're keeping him safe.
We're watching over him.
And basically, they tell him all kinds of things.
Like the stuff I said earlier, they said they're the guardians.
They serve creation.
Yes, they had the triangle on their chest, they said it represented creation.
Or the Trinity, the idea that there are, you know, divine forces creating us, you know.
And they basically said that they protect us from dark forces.
I mean, they guide our evolution.
Exactly the stuff I said earlier.
This is the stuff they told him in that span of time.
In this black, dark room that he was in?
Well, yeah.
I mean, he was inside the light.
It was like, you know, He could see the stars around him.
It was like translucent.
Imagine you're in something like you're, let's just say, a ship.
Maybe not necessarily technological.
I mean, we're talking about dimensional entities here.
Right, exactly.
But, you know, we'll just say for conversational sake, it's a ship, right?
And you're looking around and it's like it's dark because you can see all the stars around you, but there's no walls.
It's like translucent, like glass.
You can just see everything around you.
It's like he stepped through a portal or something.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And wherever you thought is where it would go, they let him do it.
Think wherever you think you'll go.
You control with your mind.
It's like you're connected to this.
It's a kind of dimensional technology that we don't have, you know?
And they explained to him, they said, the people in power of the world, they don't like us too much.
They're very afraid of us, but they can't really do anything about it.
And we're the guardians.
We're here to help.
And many years went by before he really learned much more about their intentions.
Because, like he explained, he came back, the four hours was over.
And over the next five years, we would be having experiences.
Like I heard my sister explain it, it was like poltergeist activity in the house.
Before we go there, I want to ask.
So, that hypnotic regression, that was the first hypnotic regression your dad did where he kind of like, where he just remembered what happened.
Right.
Why do you think they make you forget it?
Yeah, that's a good.
Why do you forget all that?
Like, if they were actually trying to communicate something important to him.
I think it has to do with trauma.
Like, I think it has to do with my interpretation is mortal eyes aren't really supposed to be seeing this kind of stuff regularly.
Mortal eyes?
Yeah.
Like, me and you, you know, bodies, people who are not dimensional beings, we're just ordinary beings.
People.
I don't think the brain.
Yeah, we would lose our minds.
A lot of people would.
Or it would be so traumatic that you would repress the memory.
Yes.
Yes.
And you would have missing time.
But that's just one interpretation.
The other interpretation, obviously, is they do wipe your memory.
Why?
I don't know.
Because what if you never had a regression?
What if you never recovered it?
Dude, I'm.
Yeah, your dad mentioned something like that on the podcast.
Something about some sort of thing they use to reverse, like a real neuralizer.
Oh, yeah.
That was like some CIA patent or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The beings, though.
Yeah.
I don't.
I don't know.
I mean, sure, they could, they very.
But he said that they got it from them, maybe.
Maybe I heard him wrong, but he said they got the idea from the tech, from, I guess the beings had this thing first, and then they tried to figure it out and reverse engineer it, maybe.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
But the memory wiping thing is always so weird to me.
Like, why do they wipe your memory?
Why?
Even do they?
Maybe they don't.
Like you said, maybe it's just trauma.
Memory Wipe Theories00:02:54
You know what I mean?
Maybe it's just your own mind doing this to save yourself the.
I think in the case of my dad, it could have been trauma.
I don't know because I will say it took him about a year and a half between that initial night and then the actual hypnotic regression because of the Discovery Channel investigation, you know?
And that's the one good thing that came out of all of the Discovery Channel stuff was the regression.
Everything else, don't care about it.
Did your brother do a regression?
No.
No?
No, none of us kids have had.
I mean, I've had like a past life regression if you believe in that kind of thing.
But no, I haven't had this kind of thing.
You know, here I am, I'm going on.
Why didn't your brother do it?
It wasn't offered.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
As far as I know.
Or he didn't want any part in it.
He didn't want to go forward with it.
I don't know.
I mean, it was like 16 years ago.
Yeah.
He was only 17.
Yeah.
He would have been about 18 by the time the documentary came out.
But anyway.
So, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie to you and tell you I don't have recurring dreams and that I haven't had missing time.
And both my, or all three of my siblings, I mean, there's got to be things floating around up in there that I don't remember.
I mean, there's got to be.
Oh, yeah.
I'm telling you, like, I have a lot of recurring dreams about being in that dark room surrounded by these entities.
You do?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
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Now back to the show.
I was going to say that, like, before my dad had his initial regression, he would scream in his sleep and he would get headaches so bad he would pass out when he tried to remember what happened.
And then he had the regression and it kind of like opened it up to where he could remember things.
And the suggestion there was like going forward, you know, it won't be blocked anymore.
You can just, you'll remember it all consciously, you know, you'll experience it consciously.
And then what's important to note is when he encountered the lady in 2012, it wasn't.
Recalled through hypnosis.
I mean, it was like 100% a conscious experience.
He was present for it.
Right.
And he said also, I think on the podcast, that it wasn't, it didn't feel like a dream.
Right.
It felt like it was, he was wide awake.
I mean, he was telling me about it like just days later, like in vivid detail.
Like, I'm not talking, you know, oh, I can't remember.
Like, no, no, no.
He vividly is present for all these experiences now.
Now, it's crazy.
You asked me just a little bit ago, um, If I've had experiences on the level of my dad or whatever, no.
I have seen entities, but it's like a flash.
It's not like dad where they stop and they say, What's up?
and they show you the symbol on their chest.
And they're like, It's not like that.
It's more so like I see it and I lock eyes with it and then it's gone.
Or like one time.
Where?
Around the house, in the living room, in my bedroom.
Front yard, walking through the yard, wherever, it doesn't matter.
It's happened on three or four occasions.
There was one time where, um, this is one of those things that I want to recover a memory, you know, because I know there has to be more to it.
When you see these entities, it's like time clearly works so differently for them.
I mean, you just see them and the way they pop in and they shimmer and then they're gone.
It's like I feel like there's something more to what happened.
But I was sitting there with my friend and, um, we were, we were sitting like, It's like a 90 degree angle.
Like you have the wall here, and my back's to this wall, his back's to that wall, but we have the same line of sight.
You see?
I know the camera might not see it, but you see it.
We're looking the same direction, but we're at an angle.
And we're just talking, and something touched me.
And I'm like, what the hell?
And I pull my shirt up and I show him, and I had a red mark where there was like a handprint on my ribs.
Like literally just like this sensation of it was like magnetism, like warm electrical magnetism touched me.
It wasn't painful.
It was actually kind of pleasant.
And I saw the mark.
Pleasant?
Yeah, like good.
I mean, not like good, but it wasn't painful.
Okay.
Like you would think, you know, electricity would be.
I can't describe it.
It was like not painful.
It wasn't damaging.
It was just warm, but it felt like electricity.
And I lifted my shirt.
There's a mark.
My friend's looking at me.
And then we both look in the corner and there's an entity standing there.
Its head is no higher than the doorknob.
It looks exactly like the little one that my dad and my brother saw.
Big round head, big round eyes.
And its hands are like down by its side, but it's translucent and it's shimmering.
And then it just disappears poof.
And my friend looks at me and he's like, You just saw that too?
And I'm like, Yeah.
And.
It was crazy, you know?
And there's a couple other instances where it's been like that, where I see it and then it's gone.
There's one time where something touched me on the shoulder from behind and I turned around and there was an orb, like kind of like a glowing orb.
I didn't see the entity that time.
That time when you felt it touch you and you looked behind you and it was a glowing orb, where were you?
Were you outside?
Was it daytime, nighttime?
I was just inside the house, like in the kitchen.
There was an orb right behind you.
Uh huh.
It was in the kitchen, yeah, and then well, the kitchen and into the like a not a formal dining room, but like a formal living room.
It was like it's weird, it's like the kitchen and the formal living room were together.
So I'm in the kitchen, I turn around, it's over in the other room, but it's a one big room.
But and then there's a couple other times my sister and actually both all of my siblings we've all seen entities like that, but it's never like dad with dad, they get out and they they they have a message, you know, they have a whole thing.
Could it be because the regression?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
Going back to your brother again, how often do you talk to him about all this stuff?
Does he kind of like suppress it?
Does he not like to talk about it?
Does he like to forget about it and move on, or what's the deal?
He used to be that way.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
The first time we really had an in depth conversation about this stuff, other than the night that it, That I first found out about it at 13 years old.
It wasn't until I was 18 years old, five years later, when I finally had the courage to ask Chris Jr. about it.
Because the vibe was like he didn't want to talk about it.
He didn't want anything to do with it.
If it came up, he got really upset and he would leave.
Plus, they put him on discovery and made him look bad.
So he was just done with it.
And yeah, now, today, there's not a day that goes by that he doesn't wear this hat.
Really?
Yep.
He's my biggest ally.
He's my biggest.
Fan, my biggest supporter.
He actually, it's so funny, man.
I had to sign documents because my brother is so gutsy.
He gets on with the History Channel, Beyond Skinwalker Ranch, right?
And they're like all sponsored by Carhartt.
So, like, we all got to wear Carhartt gear.
I actually did film with them, it didn't make the cut, but I did a whole segment with them.
And I had this jacket that had to be taped over because it wasn't Carhartt.
But my brother, Chris Jr., said, I'm not taking off this hat.
I'm going to wear this hat.
That's awesome.
That's it.
It's just how it's going to be.
Yeah.
And they made me sign appearance releases, you know, and then.
Did they put it in there?
Oh, it was blurred.
It was blurred.
Yeah.
But I thought it was funny, man.
It's like, I mean, it's a step, right?
It's a step in the direction to get your symbol on TV, even if it's blurry.
Well, you would think like your brother was there the day this all kicked off with your dad, like, experienced that first, that first.
Day, that first night with your dad, you would think that he is just as tapped into this as your dad is.
Does he still see this stuff as much as your dad does?
Oh, he's very much tapped in now.
Really?
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get to.
And did he ever have any of these other paranormal experiences or did he ever witness the lady?
No, not the lady.
No, not only very few people have.
I haven't.
My dad has his niece, my cousin, her daughter, because they were our next door neighbors living with our grandma at the time.
My grandpa had passed.
But they were like walking over to our house for some reason while we were all out of town and they saw her in the yard.
She just kind of zoomed up and zoomed away.
She was like floating.
She didn't say nothing.
The lady?
That time?
No, she didn't say anything.
But it's actually funny because my dad had a voicemail.
From my cousin freaking out.
Oh my God, Uncle Chris, Uncle Chris, I saw this lady with blonde hair and blue eyes.
She was floating.
She had a white dress.
She was glowing.
And I mean, that's not verbatim, but it's, you know, the nut and shell of how she was freaking out.
And yeah, no, Chris Jr. actually has a unique ability in our family.
He's the one that the orbs tend to come around in the daytime, like more than anyone.
Dad makes special mention of that to me all the time.
He's like, son, Chris Jr.'s got a gift.
They show up around him in the daytime.
He's constantly, you know, in our family group chat where we get orbs.
I might see him somewhere and do a video, or dad, you know, he's always getting videos and he'll post them.
Chris Jr. will send us orbs in the daytime.
Whoa.
Yeah.
What's the closest you've ever seen one come?
Me?
Yeah.
Feet, like me and you.
Maybe a little, like, maybe more like the wall.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like right over my head.
Like, That night that I was out there with your dad, a couple times there was like the shooting star above our heads, like not maybe like 100 feet above us or something like that.
It looked like a shooting star, it didn't look like an orb.
Right.
But I never saw something like just like floating around and moving.
Oh, yeah.
That close, at least.
Yeah.
I've seen that quite a few times.
And like I said, you know, entities like really close, like super close, you know, touch you and then poof, magic trick disappear.
That's so wild, man.
Yeah.
And.
Like, another thing I don't really understand is the whole paranormal aspect to it.
So, there's a lot of different paranormal things that have happened inside your house that your dad or your mom talks about specifically.
And I think your sister said that she experienced it too.
If these things are good, why are they coming across like in these terrifying forms, like shadow figures or deep voices that are like it's, it seems like it's.
Yeah, it does.
But again, it's like funny.
In the Bible, for example, anytime an angel appears, what's it say?
Be not afraid.
Right?
I think that there is a quality to nature that is unfathomable that we don't understand, but that does not equal evil or not good.
It's like this great example that I've heard about nature is.
When a tree drops all the acorns, you know, and some acorns are just not going to make it in the cycle of life.
They're going to be snuffed out and they're not going to get to bloom into a tree.
And it's just the way that it is.
It doesn't mean that nature's evil.
It doesn't mean that nature's cruel.
It just means that there's an order to it that we don't quite understand.
And I think that that applies to the beings, you know?
It's like when you see a shark, it's my biggest fear.
I just see a shark and it makes me feel weird.
Really?
Yeah, I don't like sharks, man.
And there's just some things you see, and it gives you a gut reaction, but it doesn't mean it's evil.
It's just a part of nature, and it exists in its hierarchy, and it is what it is, you know.
But we just don't understand these beings.
Anything we don't understand is going to be scary.
But I can tell you, their actions are very positive.
I mean, it's in Dad's book.
I know he, so Dad is very humble about these things and he's never going to go into great detail about these things.
But I feel like, you know, he's my dad.
So I just want to talk about the cool shit he's done.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Of course.
But like, there have been quite a few people who have come around and have experienced these things.
Entities, you call them whatever you want, beings, orbs, whatever.
And miracles have occurred.
Cancer.
Yeah, he's talked.
We talked.
I read that in the book and we talked a little bit about it at the end of the podcast.
There's quite a few of those scenarios where, and again, it's like, does dad have healing abilities?
I don't think it's like that.
I think everybody has healing abilities.
And I think it's like the reason it happens so much around dad is because he asks the beings.
He, he, he, He gives it to them.
He believes it's them.
He completely never once in my entire life has dad ever looked at me and said, I healed someone.
I have a healing ability.
Never.
He will never say that.
He believes everything ever weird that's ever happened around him or to him or from him is 100% the beings.
It's exactly like what I said in the beginning of the episode.
I think what's important is we humble ourselves to the higher forces.
Right?
We understand that there are things outside of us.
Maybe they look scary.
Maybe we don't understand them, but they're healing cancers and healing strokes and all kinds of other amazing things happening all around us.
You know, so much so that people from the CIA, from the NASA, you know, the space industry, DOD, all these intelligence agencies are knocking on our door and saying, hey, you know, what's going on here?
Right?
It doesn't just happen all the time.
What's going on here?
Right.
Like, what was that like when you were, how old were you when that first happened?
It's funny because I'm actually the first one in the house who met anybody from NASA because dad was away at work and I was home playing like Fallout 3 or something.
Summer, you know, I distinctly remember.
Yeah, I was home.
It was summer.
So I was just home during the day.
I'm only 15 years old.
I don't have a job.
So I'm just like playing games, right?
And, uh, Yeah, there's a ring at the door and it's Hal Poppenmeier.
I know they talked about him quite a bit on your last session, but it was me who answered the door.
And I just remember being like, oh, here we go, you know, because the documentary had already been filmed.
I don't think it aired yet.
We're having all these experiences.
So I'm like, mom, NASA's here, you know?
And we seriously, like seriously.
And I called dad and I'm like, dad, there's somebody from NASA here.
And he's like, just entertain him until I get home.
And the rest is history, you know?
But this guy drove, hopped in the car, drove 12 hours from Cape Canaveral just for a chat.
And he was in our lives until the day he died, which I actually just listened to the episode.
So I know he told that story how he fell and hit his head and he had the coma.
Same guy.
How?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But until that day, he was intimately in our lives until he died.
That day, Hal showed up.
How old were you?
15.
Maybe 16.
Do you remember specifically what he was saying or what he was asking and why, like, why did he tell you he was there and how did he find out about you?
Yeah.
So, the funniest part is, and dad would never tell this detail because he wasn't there.
I was the one that answered the door.
And I suspect he did this on purpose because he was a covert kind of individual.
I think the idea was kind of look dumber than you are, you know, kind of put on a little bit of an act.
And he was a little bit of a joker.
He, he, he, he, it was really funny because he constantly would just crank out jokes.
And they weren't like good ones either.
You know, he clearly had a persona.
It was an act, I've come to understand.
And he, he, he kind of, he was a genius, but he kind of acted a little bit clueless.
It was, it was funny as fuck, man.
And, um, He opens, he, he, you know, he rings the door and I answer and he says, Hello, um, is this the residence of, um, uh, Chris Beldso?
And I said, Do you mean Bledso?
He said, Yeah, yeah, Chris Beldso.
And he's acting like he's looking at his paper, like he's trying to read the name.
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And I'm like, Yes.
And he shows me his lapel and it's NASA.
And he's like, Well, I'm with the press corps for NASA.
I drove 12 hours from Cape Canaveral.
I really was just hoping to have a conversation with your dad.
I just wanted to ask some questions and, you know, Just things like that.
And I don't remember in that moment what we talked about, but I know over the next many years what we talked about up until he died.
I do know that he was an ex, at some point, he was a CIA analyst.
Really?
Oh, yeah, dude.
A lot of these people are double dipping.
He was CIA and NASA?
Yeah.
At one point, something he told my dad before he passed away.
It was kind of like a confession, like, I don't have much longer.
I want to tell you a little bit more about me before I'm gone, kind of thing, you know?
But he's a very cool guy.
He was hilarious.
He was so intelligent that he had three PhDs by the time he was like a teenager.
Can you look him up, Steve?
We could pull up his Wikipedia and look at him.
So we can show some people what this guy looks like.
He was a really cool guy.
He's one of the very first people at NASA.
I mean, he was an intern for Wernher von Braun.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Harold.
Yeah, that's him.
Click his obituary where you might see us in it.
You might.
Oh, wow.
I know we were in his video, and he was a very kind soul.
You want to play his video?
I swear we're in it.
I could be remembering wrong, but I feel like I just recently watched it.
And loving.
We don't have.
There's no audio here.
Oh, yeah.
That's okay.
I don't have it.
I haven't routed it yet.
That's okay.
I can look at it.
He was a funny dude.
He was so intelligent.
1939, he was born.
Holy smokes.
Yeah, he was like one of the young interns when Wernher von Braun was.
He would be like in the same room as him.
That's how far back he goes.
And then there's this individual named.
Pull up his Wikipedia or something.
We can read about his history at NASA or what he did, what his accomplishments were.
Does he have a Wikipedia?
That book, UFOs and Alien Abduction Phenomenon, we're in it.
Is that his book?
Uh huh.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, we're actually in it.
There's no official sort of meaning of minor planet names.
Meteoroid.
Well, I can look up, and we can see a picture of him at least.
Yeah, that's him.
It's young Hal.
Yeah.
So he was a.
Yeah, there's nothing legit here.
I swear you got to skip through the obituary, man, because I feel like we're in it.
I could have sworn we are.
I want to read some stuff about what he did.
Well, yeah.
So do you know Project Blue Book?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
He was like the right hand man of that.
Alan J. Really?
Yeah.
Heinick.
He worked with Heinick?
Yeah, he was like his protege.
Oh, wow.
He was the guy that dropped in and did the debunking.
So he shows up to our door, you know, reading.
Is Chris Meltz here?
He's playing us, you know?
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But over time.
He was fishing for information, trying to figure you guys out.
Exactly.
Fishing for holes, and he couldn't find them.
So, okay.
So he was there specifically to figure out if you guys were full of shit or not.
Exactly.
Right, right.
Yeah, he was the guy they dropped in to find the holes in the story.
And so he said, okay, so you said he was visiting you guys for years after that.
Until the day, actually, the day he died, he was supposed to be driving to our house to spend Thanksgiving with us.
And he didn't show up.
And we're like, oh, well, you know, something must have come up.
And then the next day, we get a call from his wife, Katie.
And she said basically he fell and hit his head and he was in a coma.
But he was like, we were expecting him at our house, you know?
So, and that's.
What did he say to you about this whole phenomenon?
Well, he said more to my dad than he said to me.
I mean, you know, I was younger.
I think he let a lot more out to dad.
But he knew it was spiritual.
He indicated to my dad that it may be his family.
Yeah, yeah.
The beings, the entities, you know.
Now, here is something that I find particularly wild.
But in about 2008 or 2009, I would have been like 15 or 16 years old.
Something he said to me and my family that for many years I've been paying attention to in my mind.
Is that by the year 2025, the disclosure rollout would be on the table?
All those years ago, 2008 or 2009, he said the government's disclosure plan is going to be out on the table by 2025.
And we're going to, this is what he's saying, he said, and we're going to do it through soft disclosure, meaning there's going to be like a steady drip of information so as to not shock people.
It's going to be like, Little bits of information coming out over a long span of time.
Right.
But, you know, that we should know pretty much the majority of everything by 2025.
He told me that when I was a kid.
What do you think the disclosure is going to look like?
Like, do you think that if there is government disclosure about this stuff, it's going to be 100% accurate?
No, actually, the opposite.
How so?
I think it's going to be.
More or less fear based, more or less, you know, militarized.
You've got congressional hearings where they're coming out and they're saying, I have a classified dossier that was handed to me by a superior, and I've heard stories of people getting harmed.
And, you know, you've got like a Mexican Congress coming out with a body saying there's eggs in it, and you've got all the stuff.
It's building this fantastic sci fi story, right?
But I think at the end of the.
You think it's fear based?
Yeah.
I think the general picture is to create this narrative that we are all tiny specks of pretty much nothing and that there's no hope.
There's no inkling of spiritual evolution.
And why do I think that?
It's because it's what the lady told to my dad.
It's in the book.
It's in the regression.
It's what she said.
I mean, it's the message.
She said that they are going, there is a force.
She didn't say who.
She said that there are people at the helm of humanity.
She didn't say the Illuminati.
She didn't say the Bilderbergers.
She didn't give a name, right?
She just said there is a dark force.
A dark force at the helm of humanity.
At the tippy top.
Yep, controlling humanity.
There's a dark force.
And they are using biblical scripture, namely the book of Revelations, to sort of script events on a global stage to manifest a cataclysm and that there would be a great deception.
That this deception would be basically to paint the phenomenon in a negative light.
It's.
Who is this dark force?
Are these human beings?
Yeah.
That's.
I mean, are they?
I don't know.
Maybe it's an egregore.
A what?
An egregore.
The concept that, like, you know, it's like the devil.
It's like if enough people believe in something, it gives it power.
It's like.
Right.
You know, enough.
People believe in a specific concept.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah.
Perfect.
Wow.
You're awesome.
Egregore.
That's the first time I've ever heard that word.
And egregore is an esoteric concept that refers to a non physical entity that is created by a group of people.
The term comes from the ancient Greek word egregoris, which means wakeful.
Yeah.
It's like the devil.
Like, is there really a force that can oppose God?
Keep scrolling.
Keep scrolling.
I love this.
What is this?
I don't think so.
Scroll up a little bit more, Steve, to where there were some photos on the top right.
Yeah.
Click that picture of the brain.
What is that?
So, this is like a hive mind type thing?
Yeah, it's just, it's like, it's as simple as this.
It's thought forms.
Thought forms are made up.
Oh, thought.
Okay.
But these egos are made up of the thoughts, ideas, and feelings that the group inadvertently sends out through their collective group mind or collective consciousness.
It is hard to create one on purpose because they are often unintentional.
Interesting.
Hmm.
Yeah.
The mind's a very powerful thing.
And I think if enough people believe in something, it more or less can become true.
Yeah, 100%.
And if enough people believe that the phenomenon is so negative and so scary and so warlike, and they're jamming our radar and they're mutilating cattle and all this stuff that they're telling us that's going on through these official channels, it's spreading this very dark. fear like narrative, you know?
And that's kind of like, it's like an, I don't know how to get the words out.
I'm trying to find the words, but it's like a spiritual war, honestly.
Like the whole, the phenomenon thing.
I mean, spiritual war.
Thank you for titling this episode.
Spiritual war.
Okay, sure.
Yeah.
That would have taken me like at least three days to come up with.
Awesome.
Or egregores.
Egregores and spiritual wars.
Hey, you said you wanted some esoteric concepts.
Yeah.
So there you go.
Igor, that's for that.
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Harold!
Did you search Harold or Hal?
Harold.
Try Hal.
I got the profile of a tektite researcher.
He was the world's expert on tektites.
On who?
Tektites.
They're like this special kind of meteorite.
They're like glass meteorites.
Oh, really?
He was literally like the authority on them.
He also mapped the moon, didn't he?
Yeah.
No, that was not.
Why did I click on that?
I don't know.
Okay.
Who knows why?
I do what?
There we go.
Profile of a tech tight researcher.
I've been tech tight hunting with him.
Really?
Can you zoom in a little bit?
Hal Povenmeyer is a tech tight researcher from Ohio.
Wow.
In July 2000, the main belt asteroid 12753, which was discovered by Gene and Carolyn Shoemaker on April 18, 1993, was named in honor of Hal and Katie Povenmeyer for their many contributions to the international occultation.
Occultation.
Occultation Timing Association, IOTA, and their studies of work in the field of meteors and meteorites.
He is the author of Fireballs, Meteors, and Meteorites, Tectites, Cosmic Paradox, Gray's Observer's Handbook, and also published over 190 scientific articles.
Wow.
Holy crap.
Yeah, it was speculated.
This is not anything I know.
Don't take this to the bank.
Keep scrolling.
This is just something that was.
Implied as a possibility, but if there ever was such an office as Majestic 12, he would be somebody who probably was.
Some of his engineering work still sits on the Sea of Tranquility from the Apollo 11 mission.
Wow.
Yeah, that's what Chris was talking about.
Yep.
Oh, yeah.
Your dad said that he mapped the moon for the moon landing mission so they could figure out the perfect place to land.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a genius.
He was so intelligent that he had to take medications to slow his brain down.
I mean, there's a lot.
Really?
Yeah.
To slow it down?
God damn, I can't find enough medication to speed mine up.
There's a lot of, you know, when you start talking aerospace industry, you get a lot of.
Very smart people.
Yes, a lot of brainiacs.
We're talking about genius mathematicians and astronomers and physicists and stuff.
Ooh, but.
Although all planetary scientists are in agreement that tektites originated within the Earth moon system.
There are two major theories as to their origin.
The most popular, simplest, and widely accepted is that they are the result of a terrestrial impact caused by a comet or asteroid throwing material out into space and re entering as tektites.
Interesting.
Oh, that's cool.
There's a lot of mythology about tektites.
They're also commonly known as moldavite.
It's like a crystal if you're into such a thing.
Uh huh.
And yeah, I just love studying myths.
You know, I don't care what it is Holy Grail, the wishing stone, whatever, Buddha, I don't care.
And there's a lot of really cool, interesting mythology about moldavite potentially being one of the stones on the Holy Grail.
Moldavite?
Uh huh.
It's like the mineral name, I believe, of tektite.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Or it's a kind of Tech Knight, rather.
Wow.
Dude, this guy sounds like he was fascinating.
He was.
He was cool.
Like I said, I mean, again, it's like you can't take this.
I don't know this for a fact.
It was implied to me that he may have been a Majestic 12.
What's that?
It's like the original people who basically ran the covert UFO program.
The Majestic 12?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's an idea.
Again, who are some of the other people that were part of that?
I don't know.
Oh, nobody knows.
I don't even know if he was.
It's just, it was indicated, you know.
But, you know, when you're talking in these covert, I mean, dude, I've been around people in the CIA and NASA and all these other agencies since I was like 15.
I mean, you meet so many people and they, this one says this one.
And, you know, it's like, I don't, I don't know.
So, okay.
So, who is the one that originally claimed that there was this shadowy sort of force at the top of society that wants to stall fear through this disclosure program?
Process the lady, the lady, the entity.
Yes, she said it's a dark force.
Now, whoever might be in charge of this disclosure, say there is some sort of government disclosure in the process right now, right?
That's going to come out in the next few years.
Like, looking back to 2014 when they started releasing those Navy videos and everything like that 2017.
So, that was 2017?
Yeah, oh, yeah, okay.
Anyways, so if that was like the just dipping the toe in and saying, like, We're going to do this over the next 10 years.
Who specifically would be behind that?
And obviously, there are people around you guys who you guys are talking to in intelligence or in the Department of Defense or in NASA, wherever it might be, all these crazy agencies who are openly talking to you that this is not the case, this is not reality.
So, there's obviously a split in government, right?
Like, there's a divide.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Multiple divides, actually.
Do they acknowledge that to you?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And so, who do they say are the people who want to paint some sort of false, dystopian, fearful narrative?
It depends who you ask.
If they're in the CIA, they might say it's NASA.
If it's somebody in the Air Force, they might say it's somebody in the Navy.
You don't really get a straight answer.
It just depends who you're talking to.
You see what I'm saying?
Oh, yeah, you know, I'm in the Air Force, but they're in the Navy.
They're the bad guys.
It's like there's splits within these factions.
Well, you have CIA, but my CIA group is the good one, but their group is not the good one.
There's compartmentalized fractures within these intelligence communities.
And then you have groups like the Invisible College, who are like, well, we have all these answers and we know it's spiritual, but we don't think people deserve to hear it, you know?
And then you have other.
Groups that are like, we don't know how to tell it, but we want it to get out there, you know, meaning like the entities, the beings, whatever.
They want the truth of it out, but they're like, how do we do it?
And then you have others who have bot armies and trolls and they do like cyber stalking and harassing.
Yeah, we just learned all about bot armies a couple weeks ago.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a thing.
And you have those factions who are like, silence any sort of conversation about this that gets too close, you know, push all the conversation about, you know, whatever popular alien theory is being run now.
Like, you've got Pleiadians and Arcturians and all this, you know, all that's okay, but then, like, you know, harass the people and troll the people that are like kind of close to the real thing.
Pad a couple of death threats, things like that.
It's complicated, man.
Like, when you're in the intelligence world, it's very gray.
It's not like you see on TV where it's like, we all are loyal to the same mission.
Well, not really.
You know, because when you're talking like CIA or some compartmentalized intelligence program, they sometimes, it could be because of blackmail they have on foreign nationals or, you know, international people, leaders, whatever.
Whatever thing, whatever information they have could make some of these people untouchable.
And they can do whatever they want and they can get away with whatever they want and they're more or less above the law.
So some of these people are rogues and they just do whatever they want, harass whoever they want.
They don't care.
I've experienced that.
And are some of these people that are involved in this, are they like private commercial aerospace people or are they all in government?
Like, do you get any people from like Lockheed Martin or any of those aerospace contractors?
Yes, actually.
I was asking my buddy the other day.
I was wondering, like, you hear the stories about men in black.
I wonder if the quote men in black, huge air quotes there, if those are actually like government agency people or if they are private contractor people, like contractors, like aerospace contractors.
Do they send people out there?
Because those guys, obviously, like what's going on right now in the news is everything about these aerospace contractors keeping stuff secret and all these black budgets and.
Everything like that.
I'm wondering if they are the ones that are trying to intimidate and strong arm people into staying quiet.
I mean, I couldn't know for sure.
You know, I have met more, like in the way you described, like I've met more people from these government agencies than I have met private contractors.
Although, ironically, just two or three days ago, I was hanging out with a very sweet guy from JPL.
Oh, yeah.
Which is a very nice guy.
Yeah.
I can tell you about it later.
But, um, oh, I think your dad was telling me about that.
Yeah.
I went and visited.
But, um, You know, and I do want to reiterate I'm not saying that all these people are bad.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying some are, some are good.
There's no black and white, there's no rule book here for dealing with the intelligence world.
It's nothing like you see on the movies, man.
We think the men in black show up with the sunshades and the suits and the ties.
They're really nerds with khakis and polos.
Really?
Yeah.
I just told you 15 years old, plan Fallout, knock on the door.
And it's nasty.
That was how?
Yeah.
Aerospace industry coming to question me.
In my family about UFOs.
I mean, come on.
Like, if there's ever a real men in black, I mean, I lived it.
Right.
I've met people who don't exist.
Right.
But I'm talking about like the people that tried just to intimidate you.
Because your dad also mentioned that in his book that there was people out there that like tried to intimidate you guys or scare at least your dad or your mom or someone.
There's like, there was some sketchy shit that went down.
Yeah, I didn't know.
Did he say that on air?
No, I think it was in the book.
Oh, that did happen.
I just, I don't.
Yeah, I mean, we definitely talked about it on air, but I also read, did I not hear it in the book?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what I should or could say there.
Maybe it was over dinner.
I don't know.
It could have been, but yes, you are correct.
And that's the whole point is, yeah, it was not private content.
It was people from an agency.
And yeah, you know, I don't like the.
I don't like to give too much attention to that part of it, you know, but it was basically like we could blow your brains out if you don't tell a story the way we want you to.
Right.
And then an orb appeared, scared the dude away, and he never came back.
See ya.
Oh my God.
Yep.
Yep.
Appeared right behind him.
He was on our property.
Orb appeared and never heard from him again.
Wow, dude.
So, you know, it's like I don't really care to give those kinds of people attention.
You know, I don't really think too much about them.
Mm hmm.
What other kind of people showed up at your house besides how?
You name an agency Homeland Security, DIA, NRO.
Dad told you about that one.
Yeah, he taught me all about the NRO.
Yeah, yeah, Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Naval Intelligence.
I think I already said CIA, obviously.
I've met people from FBI.
I've met virtually.
They all just knock on your door unannounced?
No, that's only happened unannounced, only a few times.
A lot of times it's like, hey, I'm Coming through the area, can I stop by?
Sure, come on.
Or, you know, get our number.
Hey, so and so, and introduce me to this guy who told me to get in touch with you.
You know, it's not always unannounced.
That was more or less a few times.
But no, most, mostly it's just like, hey, we, you know, we'd love to come visit.
Yeah.
Okay, come on, come on in.
You know, Southern hospitality.
You want, you want coffee?
You want tea?
What do you want?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, what do you do when the CIA is knocking on your door?
You're going to say no and slam the door?
Were you at the house when that guy Tim showed up?
Uh huh.
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Really?
Yep.
It was in my bedroom where it was.
Yeah.
I helped him with the metal.
Do you remember that story?
Yeah.
He put the metals.
I put it in both hands.
Yeah.
I was the one who helped him do that whole thing where it was like one person at a time started with me.
I held the metals first.
And he explained to me he had these charts where it was like basically showing that the isotopes of these metals were not from Earth.
He was implying to me that this material did not come from Earth.
It comes from somewhere very far away and it's organic.
He said it's alive.
Like it's some sort of living sentient material, and he just explained how he was able to sort of like replicate this material.
He made like billion dollar patents being able to replicate this material by really, yeah, the very cutting edge experimental technologies like hip replacement, bone replacement type stuff because it's organic, right?
So he figured out how to not reject the bone material.
It's like if you just put a metal implant.
In your hip, your body's going to reject it.
He figured out how to make it merge because it was organic.
And he figured out you take, I can't remember what the material was.
I mean, I'm not a scientist, you know, and he explained this to me quite a while ago, but it was like you create it in zero gravity conditions and it creates some new bond or something.
I don't know.
He explained all this to you.
Yeah, but I'm not a scientist, you know what I mean?
So, like, it's, I didn't, I don't know how to convey it properly, but yeah, so he put it in my hand and he was like, just, just, just kind of pay attention.
You know, tell me if you notice anything, anything, if you notice any sensations or any feelings or thoughts.
I was like, okay.
He put the other piece in my other hand, and it felt like static going through me, like, whoa.
But it wasn't painful.
It was, again, it was like when the entity touched me, it was pleasant.
And I felt this energy, and I'm like, oh my God, I feel electricity.
And he goes, okay, let's get the next one.
And we went, you know, my brothers, my sister, my mom, and then my dad in whatever order.
But we did dad last.
And then you heard the story with dad.
It was so powerful.
I mean, I sat right there and I watched.
The muscles in his arms were convulsing.
I mean, this energy was so prevalent from this material.
He was shaking and his vision blacked out.
And it was basically described to us that this material is like quasi crystal.
I don't really know what that means, but.
That's what we got.
Steve will pull it up.
But he basically said that the fact that we had a reaction from this material in the first place was evidence to him.
It was a way for these covert.
Programs to, you know, you say you're seeing an entity and then you touch this stuff and you feel nothing whatsoever, you're lying.
Really?
So it's like a lie detector test.
Well, no, it's more so like it's reacting with your energy because you've been in the presence of an interdimensional entity.
You see what I'm saying?
Like that's what he told us.
Like if you have some sort of vibration going on inside you.
Yes, because you've been altered because you've been in the presence of an interdimensional entity.
So he knew that we were telling the truth because we all felt this energy.
And ironically, I had just started dating my wife at the time.
She happened to be there.
She didn't feel a single thing.
She didn't feel anything from the medals.
My mother did, all of my siblings and my father.
All of your siblings?
Yeah.
And then my wife, too.
I was like, I don't care.
You know, people come around to my house, NASA.
See, I don't care who you are.
You're in my house.
And I'm kind of, you know, I'm kind of like, did she do it?
You know, get her in here.
I didn't care about, you know, being secret.
Did Tim show you guys anything that was like super confidential that you're not allowed to talk about?
I mean, yeah, but really it wasn't a big deal.
It was just pictures of Area 51.
I mean, it was a big deal.
It was, but it wasn't like he didn't show me alien bodies or anything like that.
It was just pictures of Area 51.
And, you know, it's like basically indicating to us that there is a facility where this kind of study goes on.
But the main thing that.
I think it still goes on there.
I think they moved it all.
Area 51?
Yeah.
Like all the crazy studies.
I have no idea.
Like he didn't.
Show us anything that was like mind blowing.
Well, no, I guess what I'm trying to say is like he had an air of plausible deniability.
Like he showed us photos of the facility, but he didn't show us any of the like, you know, he didn't show me a craft or anything like that.
And I mean, it was pretty like towing the line of what, you know, if I was a dude in a covert program, what would I, how far to the line could I get?
Well, he got as close to that line as possible and he told us he was going to do it.
He said, I have a box.
All right.
And at the very edge of this box is how far I can go and what I can show you, you know, classified information, things like that.
I'm going to get right here to the edge and I'm not going to pass it.
So he showed us pictures of Area 51.
He showed us his badges of Area 51.
He had like actual laminates, CIA, NASA, Air Force, and Area 51 laminates, like clearance passes.
Like, click, let me in the door.
He showed us that.
And he basically told us that, you know, this was a very serious subject matter.
It was the most classified subject.
We are very seriously regarded in these intelligence communities.
He said that if we had been talking just six years prior about our experiences and going public, that we would have probably been shot and killed, but that the times had changed and that they were loosening the protocol on how to deal with people.
He basically said, We have other ways of ruining your life.
We don't have to shoot and kill you anymore.
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We can do whatever we want.
And he was like, We don't necessarily want you going public.
Don't want you going on Facebook and talking and spreading this anywhere or anything like that.
And if you do, it doesn't matter because everyone will think you're crazy and they won't believe you anyway.
Right.
That's true.
That's true.
Well, and you guys did go public with it.
Absolutely.
What did he say about that?
Nothing.
Nothing.
Is anybody trying to fuck with you for going public?
Did anybody ever, when you initially went public, did anyone try to fuck with you?
Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's hard to say.
It's like, yeah, I mean.
And why wouldn't they want you to go public with it?
Because again, it's like there's a narrative, right?
There are so many.
But if it's spiritual, what does it matter?
Like, it's not good.
Like, why do they care?
Honestly, like, it's a complicated question, you know?
It's because my take on that is this may sound like it's out of left field, but it's about awakening, right?
It's about the awakening of humanity.
I mean, what does that mean?
Well, right now we're asleep.
We don't really know what's going on.
We don't know the nature of things.
We don't know the reality of things, right?
To awaken means.
When we all realize, when we all kind of like expand our idea of things and realize there's something more than just this, you know, there are other beings out there and other realities.
There are energies and forces and other realities that are always all around us, which again brings us back to the Christ consciousness thing.
It brings us back to the light thing.
Because if there are other dimensions and other forces, then, you know, we got to be more mindful of our thoughts and our intentions and our feelings and how we.
Project, you know, it's like there's more to us than just physical action, there's mental action, there's intent and spiritual intent, things of that nature.
It's the kind of stuff the beings talk about.
But awakening is when we realize there's more to this than just material life that we have abilities.
I mean, you know about the remote viewing stuff, right?
You're aware of all that.
We can all do that, we can all have some degree of psychokinesis or.
Um, what's it called?
Um, extrasensory perception.
We all have this, we all have these abilities.
It's just in order to access something, you have to be aware of it, right?
You have to be aware that you have these abilities, you have to be aware that you are a higher consciousness.
That's what Diana talks about in her new book.
When I read that, she was going deep into how I don't think she gave up his name in the new book yet, maybe she did, but um.
She keeps Tim pseudonymous in both of her books, I believe.
And she talks about how Tim has some sort of like daily ritual protocol he does to keep himself in tune with this extrasensory thing, whatever it is.
Like, if we are some sort of biological antenna that can access some sort of doorway to extra perception, he has a thing he does every morning where he like drinks water and meditates and no coffee is part of his protocol.
No coffee.
No coffee.
Yeah.
Sunlight.
You know what he told my dad?
No.
Get into Kundalini yoga.
Really?
Yeah.
Kundalini yoga.
They're very esoteric in NASA and CIA, man.
And that's a rabbit hole in and of itself.
But I want to stress, you know, I do not want to say that all of these people in these agencies are bad.
They're not.
Some of them have been really good.
Of course not.
Some of them have written blurbs in my dad's book, you know, saying he's telling the truth.
Please listen.
Yeah, Jim Semivan?
Yeah, and John Alexander.
Oh, John Alexander.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And some of them, and Hal, you know, he may have debunked us at first, tried to.
Hal did?
He tried to.
Hal Pavanmire.
You're talking about Pavanmire.
Yeah, Hal Pavanmire.
He may have tried to.
You know, they do have a job.
But.
At the end of the day, some of these people have been very kind and very generous and trying to ensure that we feel heard and feel understood.
You know, it's like not all of these people in these programs are bad.
I do believe it tends to be like Stranger Things season four.
That's this is my favorite example where you have this whole yeah, I was yeah, you have this scenario where like 11 losers are mojo and you got one element of the government trying to kill her and then you got the other element trying to like.
Get her mojo back and put her out there to do her thing.
It's like that.
It's like some of them are bad, some of them are good.
It's the way it is, you know.
But you asked, why don't they want this out if it's a spiritual thing?
Because those bad elements, whoever they are, tend to be more powerful and have more reach, right?
They don't want us to awaken.
No, they want to keep us, yeah.
They want to keep us asleep on our daily routines.
They want us waking up, going to the hospital.
They want us dumb and sick and hooked into the pharmaceutical culture.
Yeah, watching TV, eating the crappy food, just doing everything we can to be.
Sick and dumb and as low vibrational as possible.
They don't want us to awaken.
Why would they want that?
Yeah, no, it makes sense.
I just wonder why these people like Tim and people close to you who are showing this to you are telling you not to say anything publicly.
It just boggles my mind.
Maybe because it's real.
Yeah, but if they're not a part of that negative force, why do they want to keep it a secret?
I don't know if he is or isn't.
I don't know.
They never told me.
I don't know.
I just know based on people's actions, you know, and if they've helped us or not.
And I'm not here to say this one's good, this one's bad.
I just know that, you know, like there have been a few.
I will say, Jim Semivan, CIA, his title is Directorate of Clandestine Affairs, you know.
Yeah, pull up Jim Semivan's bio on there.
This guy never, ever has he said, Don't go speak publicly.
Don't go tell your story.
It's actually been the opposite.
You need to write a book.
You need to go tell your story.
You need to talk.
There are some people in the government who, who truly, despite how they may look or how they may appear or who they know or whatever, it doesn't matter.
All I know is how they've been to us.
And they have been, you need to go shout your story at the rooftop.
It's time to tell it.
Forget what all these haters say.
It doesn't matter.
Go tell your story.
He's one of them.
Hal is one of them.
Uh, Colonel Alexander, one of them.
Go tell your story.
Go tell your story.
You know, so like, I don't know.
That's pretty, I don't know, you know, I can't say who's good or bad.
I'm just telling you what happened.
Right.
I'm telling you the facts of how the cards have fallen.
So that's my experience.
This whole protocol of trying to like tune your body into this extra sense or whatever it might be, isn't that like getting into the idea of Rosicrucianism?
I think I saw it.
Did I say it right?
Rosicrucians?
Rosicrucians, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
More or less, yeah.
And it seems like that might be something that you may not want to do.
Like, being tapped into this, as fantastic as it sounds and as crazy as your dad's story is, it could be something that would be too much for a lot of people.
Being able to witness some of this stuff or being tapped into something that you aren't ready for.
Yeah.
But on the other hand, it's like, I. How much have you looked into Rosicrucianism?
Quite a bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love it.
Okay.
Here's what is this?
Semi Vans bio?
There we go.
No, it's a.
Okay.
So here's an official publication.
Oh, Jim retired.
Okay.
He retired in 2007 after a 25 year career in Central Intelligence Agency's National Clandestine Service.
Yeah.
My friend Mad Dog, Jim Lawler, was telling me about him, saying that they worked together at the same time.
At this time, at the time of his retirement, he was a member of the CIA's senior intelligence service.
Jim served multiple overseas and domestic.
Tours along with senior management positions in CIA headquarters.
He is the recipient of the agency's Career Intelligence Medal.
Dude, he wrote the handbook of following protocol.
Yeah.
Literally.
Yeah.
So he's a part of that To the Stars thing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He would be in our yard taking calls from Tom when they were starting it up.
It was the funniest thing.
What was the deal with?
I don't want to get too off track, but what was the deal with the whole To the Stars thing?
I don't know.
I don't know that much.
Yeah, I don't know either.
The only one of them that I ever met personally was Jim.
Yeah.
And, you know, like, I want to stress, like, I can't vouch for what other people say and think and believe.
All I can vouch for is how they've treated us.
Right.
So I don't know.
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You asked, like, are there good ones or the bad ones or, you know, this, that, or the other?
Yeah.
Those are the few that have always been like, go, keep telling your story, keep telling your story.
But, yeah, Rosicrucians, that's an interesting subject.
So do you, you've got Steam Menu?
Got what?
You got some steam in you to hit another tangent real quick on Rosicrucians?
Oh, hell yeah.
Okay.
I got all the steam.
I got steam all day, baby.
This is going to be a shift.
Okay.
So, okay.
So here I am, 18 years old.
My dad sees the lady, right?
At this time, I'm like, like we discussed earlier in the episode, you know, I'm like, I'm open minded to what's out there.
I'm like, knowing that there's not, it's not all contained in the Bible, but I still feel that attachment.
Like, I'm not really ready to look at other things yet.
I don't know how to explain it.
Like, I still was kind of.
Sucked into that one track train of thought, that one track being Christianity, right?
So my dad comes home one day, or rather, I come home, right?
Because I'm at college and I'm talking to my dad, and he starts telling me, Son, I saw this lady.
And, you know, grazing over the details, because I talked about some of the things she said already, but grazing over that, just, you know, how he first told it to me, he said, I saw this lady and she said this, that, and the other.
And she said, That she goes by Hathor, but that throughout time and across many cultures, she was known by many names.
And she, you know, she had the dress, she had the.
It glowed, it twinkled like stars.
It's like this white gown that it was like it had stars all over it, right?
Well, you can look up ancient depictions of Hathor, and she was depicted this way with the bull.
It's symbolism, right?
It's like.
Do you remember she appeared first as a bull, right?
In the story?
Yeah, the bull.
Yeah, it was the bull first, then her.
Right.
And I think he said it was similar to the Lady of Guadalupe.
Yeah, many names.
But you look at depictions of Hathor.
Hathor.
Yeah, it's this Egyptian deity.
And she was depicted as a bull.
And she had this dress that was like the twinkling stars.
And it's the notion that she was like the divine mother of the cosmos, nourishing with her udders, the cow, the bull symbolism.
She fed the cosmos with her milk.
It was this symbolism, right?
But she said, I go by many other names.
Oh, look at that one.
So, can you imagine how I felt at 18 years old with my dad telling me this stuff?
No, I can't.
You know, being a Pentecostal, I'm like, what the hell?
I've never heard of Hathor.
And then he said that this being, the lady, she said that Amun Ra is the hidden one.
That's all she said.
No clout.
Amun Ra is the hidden one.
Yeah.
What does that mean?
I don't know.
But the point is, I spent.
A lot of time after that studying Egyptian mystery schools, which led me to Rosicrucianism, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, just wisdom traditions in general, you know.
And a fascinating tidbit of information is that, like, at one point in human history, when Egypt was the dominant civilization, you had all these different.
Secret mystery schools.
And I can't remember, but I can't remember the year, but it was the Pharaoh Thutmose III who was so enamored by these mystery schools that he united them all into one school.
It's one body of wisdom.
And they believed that their wisdom came from Atlantis, right?
Like if there was such a thing as Atlantis, which I tend to think that there's a notion of that that existed.
I don't know if all the.
Crazy stories about it are true, but I do think there was a precursor society that had more knowledge than we do.
They said that their knowledge was passed down from then.
And anyway, so that's where the Rosicrucians claim that they come from.
All the way back then, they claim their lineages all the way back from the mystery school of Thutmose III, thousands of years ago.
So I find myself several years back in Philadelphia.
A true story.
I find myself back in Philadelphia a few years ago with a mutual friend of.
Ours in Jim Semivans.
He's the guy that introduced us to Jim Semivan and Colonel Alexander.
And I'm riding in the car with him.
Who is he?
His name's Larry.
Larry.
Yeah.
He's mentioned in the book.
Okay.
It was actually his dad who had the stroke at the Bar Mitzvah.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I don't remember him in the book.
Yeah.
Some people are like, don't want their name out.
So he's one of those people he doesn't want to be like fully out there?
Yeah.
And I respect that.
Okay.
You know, but his name's Larry.
And he's a cool guy.
But he starts like, What do you guys think about Rosicrucianism?
Talking to me about it.
What do you think about Rosicrucianism?
I'm like, I don't know.
I don't really know what that is.
What do you think about Rosicrucianism?
And he starts telling me about what they're into and Rudolph Steiner and this kind of stuff.
And next thing you know, he's introducing me to Dr. Gilbert, who's this really cool guy out in Asheville, North Carolina, who's like a.
He's like a Rosicrucian, but he also has kind of like his old mystery school.
Next thing you know, he's like getting me in touch with him and kind of getting me to study with him.
I didn't study much with him, I went on out on my own.
And I started to have these dreams about the phenomenon.
I started to have dreams around that time of like seeing hieroglyphs and seeing glowing symbols on tablets and hieroglyphics.
And seeing when I met this gentleman who was the Rosicrucian who started me onto learning this stuff.
Is this Larry?
No, the guy that Larry introduced me to.
Okay, guy.
Yeah, Dr. Robert Gilbert.
Okay.
And he said the word nettare.
He believed in us, he believed in dad.
He was like, this stuff all checks out with.
You know, like Rosicrucianism and what these mystery schools teach, what you guys are experiencing, it's all here.
And, you know, you dive into their texts, and it's like since ancient times, all of these societies have known that there is a goddess, there is a female force, there is a feminine layer to the divine reality that has been suppressed.
But these mystery schools, they're all about it.
They're all about, I mean, it's like the Da Vinci Code.
The Da Vinci Code is all about it.
I just bring that up because we just did an episode on my podcast about Da Vinci Code.
Oh, did you?
Yeah, it's like this popular.
It's all about this divine feminine, right?
So I'm like, wow, this is really weird.
And I go through all these rabbit holes and I'm studying this stuff and I start having these dreams.
And then I start having, you know, these dreams of like glowing hieroglyphics.
And I had this really crazy dream of like Osiris.
And then when I heard the word netir, which was basically the concept of Egyptian nature spirits, I started having dreams about the phenomenon being that way.
And it kind of like.
Led me down that rabbit hole, studying that information.
And then next thing you know, I find myself doing the podcast, and I'm just like, that's a lot of what we talk about is this kind of information and how it relates to the phenomenon.
Because in my experience, the phenomenon is more esoteric in nature, it's spiritual, it's not necessarily physical alien, but it's something spiritual.
And I think.
It's kind of hard to put it into words, but it's helped me understand it a lot better studying a lot of this material.
You know, it's weird, you know, like my dad being an ex Pentecostal Christian, having these experiences with these beings, starting to say these several thousand year old Egyptian names that we've never heard of because Christians aren't allowed to study this stuff.
And then I start going in the ancient past and reading this material and it's all checking out.
I'm like, what is happening?
I don't know if I'm doing a good job of explaining it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The stuff I'm finding in these bodies of knowledge is like.
This is a lot of like similar to the stuff that Ed Casey talked about.
Yeah, exactly.
I know there's like a whole Ed, like a Edward Casey foundation or school where people like look a lot into the ancient Egypt stuff.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Very similar thing.
And he saw a lady too, believe it or not.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
I like him.
Yeah, they called him what the sleeping prophet.
He would, what was his story?
He would like go to sleep and he would come up with like revelations to heal people.
He'd sleep on a book.
Yeah.
Well, that was the, I think the first thing he did was he slept on a book.
Like he had to.
Study for something for school or whatever, and then someone said, Just sleep on it.
And he, like, literally took it, he took it literal and he slept on the book.
And then he, like, could memorize everything, he knew the whole book.
And then after that, like, people would say they needed to be healed or something.
And basically, like, he would just say, Tell me their name and where they are on the earth, like what state they live in or what town they live in.
And he would go to sleep and come up with, like, a prescription for them to follow or something for them to do to, like, fix their whatever was wrong with them.
That's right.
It's fucking crazy.
He also predicted quite a lot of stuff.
He had like 14,000 readings throughout his, you know, time being psychic or whatever, his life.
And many of them were true.
Like, I think one of the things that he predicted in advance was like using blood to diagnose illnesses.
I mean, Agri-Casey was around in like the 40s, you know, or even before that.
And another thing he predicted was the discovery of like the Dead Sea Scrolls, things like that.
And Edgar Cayce.
Oh, he predicted the discovery of that?
Oh, wow.
I didn't know that.
Yep.
Just years before it was found.
And another thing he was really big on, which I find very fascinating, and we just did a whole episode on this concept just weeks ago on our show.
It's out.
Edgar Cayce was a big proponent of Jesus being an Essene.
What's that?
Essene.
Okay.
So the Essenes were like, not much about them is known in history, but they were an extremely advanced spiritual.
Society that existed back in first century Judea, where you had, like, you know, in the life and times of Jesus, you had these different groups of Jewish priestly class who were like, the Sadducees were like, you know, we control the temple, you know, you have to get to God through us.
And they're the ones who were like, kill Jesus, you know, really just kind of harsh, bad people.
And then you had the Pharisees who were like really into the Torah, maybe not as bad as the Sadducees, but, you know, pretty spiritual.
I'm generalizing.
But then you had the Essenes who were like, Very devout, lived in agrarian villages, and like the historical writings we have about them that survived from like Philo of Alexandria and Pliny and Josephus all say that they were like the most advanced and most ancient seeker society that existed since aeons and aeons.
And that was written 2,000 years ago, and they had these rites and rituals, and they had these elaborate healing arts, and you know, they were just this happy group of people who just existed outside of.
Society and their own ascetic agrarian village, and they used crystals and herbs and all kinds of things.
Jesus was part of them?
That's what Edgar Cayce said.
The belief is that maybe what we know about Jesus isn't what we're told.
Maybe there's something deeper to it, right?
Maybe he was an Essene.
I don't know.
We can't know for sure.
But there's a lot of interesting stuff about that.
Yeah, that's fascinating.
And it seems like, too, especially when it comes to.
The internet.
There's a lot of people on the internet who, like, have they've sort of found their sense of meaning through this whole UFO thing.
Like, this whole group of people online, whether it be on Twitter or Reddit, whatever it is, that are so invested in this thing that they've found some sort of meaning in it, right?
And anyone, like, any, like, even if there's somebody who comes across their post or whatever it might be on Twitter, let's say that.
Questions it or comes against it like it's almost they're hostile towards it, right?
Like they want to defend it to the death and not hear any sort of counter arguments against it, where it's they've sort of like found their own meaning of life or they've found their own religion through this kind of thing.
And it's very similar to a religion in a sense.
People that are like super into the whole UFO phenomenon.
Yeah, it is.
People are very violent over their UFO beliefs.
They are intellectually violent.
Yeah.
I got to say, man, you know how weird it was in 2007 when my dad came up and reported to MUFON.
I had an experience.
I believe it was angelic in nature.
And then, exactly like what you just said, right?
You start infringing on people's religion.
You got people who, you know, we're from North Carolina.
This was mostly Christian in the early 2000s.
And it's like, oh, you know, you're dealing with the devil.
Yeah.
That's not angels.
That's not even aliens.
It's demons.
But then you have the people in the 2000s when we first came around and reported our story that were like, we believe in aliens, but, you know, they're not spiritual.
The two paradigms were separate, you know, back then.
So, religious people said they would believe in aliens, but they're saying that what you're seeing is not religious.
No.
Oh.
Religious people said they're demons.
Oh.
UFO people said, I don't believe in angels or demons.
You're seeing aliens.
So, it was like we were either too religious or we were demonic, depending on your crowd.
Negative Entities Debate00:05:05
Right, right, right.
But why would the religious people say they're demon?
Why would they not accept the fact that they were good?
Well,.
I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but I remember being a kid and somebody I know very, very well, a family member, I'll just say that.
When, you know, when dad's documentary came out, everybody, people are cruel, man.
They'll just tell you right to your face why you're a liar or you're crazy or this or that and the other.
And I remember somebody saying, no, that's not possible because Jesus didn't die on other planets.
Jesus didn't go die on all those other planets.
I don't believe there's anything else out there.
And I'm like, yeah, okay.
Like, I saw it.
You didn't.
So I don't know what to tell you.
But I mean, people believe whatever it's ego, right?
It's like it's genuinely painful to consider a worldview that is counter to your own.
People's egos are grasping firmly on what they've been taught their whole life.
They're supposed to believe this is what I said in the beginning, Danny if we want to awaken, if we want to understand what's really going on here, we have to humble ourselves to higher forces.
We have to understand there are things out there that are bigger than us.
Well, even the Vatican has accepted the idea of aliens now.
Like, I forget who it was, but somebody at the Vatican was explaining how, you know, we can't limit, you know, if you are religious and you believe in God and you believe in a higher creator, like, you can't limit that just to Earth, right?
Like, you can't limit God's creativity just to human beings.
There has to be, you have to give him the benefit of whoever it is, the benefit of the doubt to have created something outside of what we see every day on planet Earth.
Right.
Yeah.
And that's dimensions.
That's coming from the Vatican.
If there is something that is spiritual that people have witnessed, like you and your dad are witnessing, is it possible that there also is a bad version of it?
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
There has to be.
You know, it's just the nature of reality.
If there's something good, there's something bad.
And it's like there's varying degrees of that.
But it's like, you know, it's like the absence of.
Hot is cold, right?
Or the absence of love is fear.
It's, you know, yeah, of course.
I do think that there's some negative entities and things like that.
But I don't think it's anything to worry about.
I really don't.
I've never come face to face.
I mean, I've seen some shadow entities and things like that.
Like I've been around people where I've seen things that were attached to them.
But I think for anybody out there who's curious about.
And, you know, if you're like, oh, you know, would I experience a good one when I experience a bad one, this and that and the other?
I think that depends on what kind of person you are and particularly what you're going through, what energy you're putting out.
If you're a good, kind, loving, joyful, positive person, why would you be worried about negative entities?
Right.
But let's say, you know, somebody who's deep into a very serious addiction or abuse problem or some sort of very negative, violent scenario or, you know, spouse abuse or whatever scenario in your head that's really bad.
Well, maybe then I'd be worried about some sort of negative entity.
I mean, it really depends on you.
Did anybody you ever talk to, like some of these NASA people or anybody else, did they ever say anything to you about negative, like evil entities?
Yeah.
Or bad ones?
What would they say about that?
Well, at Skinwalker Ranch, that's one thing Colonel Alexander told us was like at Skinwalker Ranch, they were having some pretty spooky experiences.
Like things like the, you know, they, you know, much.
About the ranch, right?
Yeah.
How, like, people, multiple billionaires have bought it since then, you know, to run experiments there.
And that's one of the things is like they constantly are trying to, like, gotcha with the phenomenon, you know?
They're trying to, like, trick it.
They're trying to get it on camera.
They're trying to, like, they just think that it isn't aware, I guess.
But the beings would, like, constantly outsmart them and do things like disable their cameras and turn off the lights and just do things to really scare them.
Definitely harm some animals, things like that.
Harmed animals?
From what I've been told, yeah.
There's been some animals that have been harmed at Skinwalker.
Yeah, like the cattle mutilations.
Do you think that has to do with these entities at all?
I don't know because it's like the idea about the phenomenon at Skinwalker Ranch, some people say it's because of Ute, Native American black magic practices from centuries ago, you know, really dark kind of.
Things lingering there.
Dominion Over Spirits00:15:06
I mean, I don't know.
I really don't know.
I don't have much experience with negative entities.
I only have experience with positive entities.
I can't say why that's there, why bad things are happening, but you know, I don't think people should worry about negative entities.
It's just like it says in the Bible, right?
You know, we have dominion over spirits.
You don't have to be Christian for that to be true.
I'm not Christian, but I believe it to be true.
I think we have power and dominion over entities, too.
You know?
Really?
Yeah.
How do we have power and dominion over them?
I believe we're very special.
I think we're very, very special.
I think that there's a lot more to being made in the image of God than people realize.
I think we are literally made in the image of God.
As a matter of fact, if there was a piece of wisdom that I would love to leave with everybody, that I would love everybody to contemplate on and really study this phrase and understand what it means and where it comes from, you'll find that the Rosicrucians and Even the Freemasons and all these secret societies are obsessed with this phrase because of its importance.
And it's as above, so below.
And it's the concept that the microcosm mirrors the macrocosm.
Or, in other words, if you think really hard about space, right?
You think about galaxies and solar systems, how they have an inherent order to them at the highest level, right?
But then you think really small and you think about the cells in your body and the atoms, they have a similar order.
At every Plane of reality, higher and lower on this infinite sliding scale, on this Fibonacci scale, so to speak, right?
This spiral pattern, man.
It's fractal.
Reality is constantly fractal, all the way up and all the way down.
And I believe that that is true in every dimension and in every plane.
And I do believe that we are fractals of God, that we are all infinite sparks of God.
It's like the ancient Hindu said it's Indra's net, right?
You have this one original consciousness, and it's personified, or not personified, but shown as this net.
And then you have a drop of dew on every intersection of the net, and the sun is shining on the water.
And that sun is equally reflecting off every piece of dew.
That's me and you.
That's all of our consciousness reflecting.
There's only one light, right?
It's God.
It's the mind.
It's the universe, whatever.
You call it whatever you want to call it.
We said this in the beginning.
It doesn't really matter so much how you believe it.
Reality is reality.
You can kick and scream about my God's better than yours all day, but something's up there.
I tend to think this is how it works.
It doesn't care what you think.
It doesn't care what you believe.
It cares how you are.
Cares how you vibrate, cares how you act, right?
What you put out into the world, but anyway, so yeah, so I believe that we are, I think that we are reflections.
I think the material world is only a mere reflection of the higher eternal world.
Another example of this Plato, most famous philosopher of all time, he had a whole story about it called The Allegory of the Cave.
He's like, Imagine you're in a cave and the sun is shining in the cave, the sun represents the uh.
The eternal reality.
It's invisible, so to speak, but also like it's kind of the source of light.
It's symbolized by the sun.
It's shining into the cave.
Me and you are in the cave.
We see the shadows on the wall.
Me and you, we live here in the cave, symbolizing material reality.
We think the shadows are the real thing, but really it's out there in another dimension or outside of the cave.
Right.
And it's like you have all these different stories around the world basically saying, like, this is the illusion.
There is something real.
There's something else.
There's something else that's not the illusion.
We are in the illusion.
Or, as the Hindus would say, we are all in the dream of Brahma.
We're in the mind of God.
Or, as the Hermetists and the Rosicrucians would say, the universe is simply the mind of God and we're each a thought in it.
Okay, so the question is why do we have dominion over spirits?
Because of that.
Because we are a piece of the Creator.
We are linked to the mind of God through our mind because we are a piece of that mind.
Right?
Yeah.
No, that makes sense.
That's why we have ESP.
That's why we have psychic abilities.
That's why healings and miracles occur because we are divine.
I believe we're divine.
I think we all are.
I think that's the truth about all of it, all religious myth, all the wisdom traditions, and every bit of it.
I think that we are all special fractal pieces of, you could say, the God mind or whatever you want to call it.
Doesn't matter.
Doesn't really matter.
You know, not to what do you think would happen if, if like this information came out that like this is a spiritual thing and like everything that you're saying?
Imagine the government came out and said everything that you and your dad are saying.
Like, this is what it is.
It is what it is.
We're not gonna, it's not, it's not beings from another universe that are gonna try to control us or anything like that.
This is just a good thing.
It's divine and let society run with it.
What do you think would happen?
You think it would be, what would the effect be?
I think that is going to happen, but it's not going to be because the government came out with it.
I think it's going to be different than that.
I see it going down in my head as the entities sort of allowing themselves to be seen more and more by the masses.
It's like this, okay?
So the whole population is 100%, right?
That's obvious.
Just say the entire population is 100%, but maybe 10% know.
They have the knowing, they believe, they understand, right?
The beings, or you could say God or whoever, I mean, you know.
Yeah.
God is in charge of everything.
Again, it's like, doesn't really matter how people.
It exists, whether we like it or not.
Right.
It just is.
Right.
And God is the origin of everything.
At the bottom of the UFO rabbit hole is only God, right?
Because God created everything.
People can say, oh, I don't believe in God.
That's fine.
You don't have to.
But it's just the way it is.
It's just there, you know?
So let's say only 10% of people are aware.
The beings cannot infringe on people's free will.
We have to awaken on our own.
Right.
So as more and more people become aware and they begin to raise the understanding, the collective consciousness, the collective, you could say vibration.
I really like that word.
Some people think it's woo woo.
I don't care.
Collective vibration.
Yeah.
No, I think it's consciousness, whatever.
Yeah.
It's absolutely a real thing.
As that increases, I believe that the sightings will increase.
Like, literally, like what you've seen, like the sightings of the entities.
As the awareness increases, the sightings are going to increase.
Yeah.
Like a very basic example is I've never seen any of these things before, right?
Until I went out to the beach with your dad, right?
But I've also never stared at the sky for two hours.
Right.
I've never looked for it.
I've never really tried to look for it.
And that was the first time.
Was it because your dad was there or was it because I stared at the sky for two hours?
I don't know.
I've never stared at the sky for two hours before.
But there's a third element there your awareness of why you're looking at the sky.
There's a lot of people who just look at the sky and they don't see it.
Maybe they're just looking through a telescope at the moon.
Right.
We were looking for that.
We were looking for the orbs.
Exactly.
Your awareness is connected through the mind.
Right.
But isn't it true that, like, no matter what it is, if you look for something hard enough and long enough, you will find it?
You'll find what you're looking for.
Is there a little bit of that in there?
What, like, with the beings?
I mean, Yeah.
Like, if you really want to see them, I really want to see them.
I want to believe them.
I want them to be there.
Like, is there something that happens in the mind?
Yeah, I've met a lot of people who are like that.
I mean, you know, just for context, I mean, like I said, I'm 30.
This started when I was 13.
I've met hundreds of people who've come to the property or met them online or whatever.
If we're counting online, if we're counting everybody I've ever interacted with, it's got to be at least a thousand.
It's a lot.
We would have people camping in our yard when I was a teenager.
And I say all this to say, of all the people I've met, There have been many who I've met were just like your UFO fanatic, like, I want to see something.
I want to see something.
And they don't see, you know, because it's like, well, maybe, maybe you're trying a little too hard.
Maybe, maybe you don't have the right intention.
Maybe you don't have the right attitude.
It's like, it's like, uh, it's threading a needle with this thing.
You really have to go out there with an open mind.
And again, I keep saying this for the listener.
You have to humble yourself to higher forces.
In order to see these things, you have to go out there and you have to allow yourself to say, if it be your will, show me.
Going out there saying, I'm going to see a UFO, I'm going to see this, I'm going to see that.
Well, I've met a lot of people who never see anything.
They think they've got it all figured out and it's back to square one.
There are some people who have come to our property many times, never seen one thing, period.
And they're the biggest UFO fans in the world.
Yeah.
Why didn't they see it?
I don't know.
Maybe they're not looking for the right thing.
There's also another element to it how it's so elusive.
Yeah.
The elusive element builds more interest in it.
The fact that these things, whether they be orbs or flying saucers or tic tacs, they, they, Live on the edge of our ability to understand them and observe them, right?
It's so rare to see one.
And if it did become something that was just all the time and you could see them, I often wonder if we would care so much about them if they were ubiquitous.
If something is just there all the time, it's not as interesting.
Like if a UFO landed on the White House lawn tomorrow, it's like, oh, wow, it'd be all over the newspaper.
People would talk about it.
But maybe after that, it would just.
Be like, okay, what's the next news story?
We would try to find the next thing beyond that, right?
We would try to find the next thing that we don't see.
What's the next mystery we need to figure out?
Like, that's how the human mind works.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's a good point.
But I think that's probably true.
But then I also think there's another layer to that, which I do think will happen.
Like, I genuinely think this is going to play out and that we're going to, I think we're on the positive timeline.
If such a thing exists with timelines and things like that, I think we're on the positive one.
I think there's a lot of doom and gloom out in the news and the media, but it's all just smoke.
It's smoke.
They're just blowing smoke.
It's like the lady said, this dark forest trying to make it look like it's the end of the world, but it's an act and it can only go on so long.
And yes, real tragedies are happening.
Yes, real people are suffering.
But the whole point is that I believe that it's manufactured by.
Anyway, so my point is I do think we're on the good timeline.
I do think in our lifetime, it's going to play out where.
The masses will come around to this.
Again, like it's what I was saying earlier, like as the awareness, you know, let's say we're at 10% or whatever of the total population, they're awake.
Awake meaning they know.
They've seen the beings they know, or maybe they haven't seen them, but they just know, right?
As that grows, I think the sightings will grow.
And I think we're going to hit a critical mass where it's going to go somewhere above 50%, where it's like it's not really an issue of free will anymore because when the majority of the population believes, well, okay, well, we can show up.
You know, you guys are okay with it.
They're not going to just infringe on the world.
People always ask, they're like, well, why don't they just show up for the masses and say, we're here, we're real?
They can't do that.
It's infringing on free will, right?
But again, so we're going to hit that point, I think.
And I think that when we hit that point, we're going to hit this mass shift in consciousness where we start having leaps and bounds, quantum leaps and bounds in our understanding of reality, consciousness, the mysteries of life after death, technology.
I think.
Everything is going to change.
I think we're going to very quickly shift into a much better place because our understanding of everything is going to shift.
First things first, they're going to do away with the agenda of all of this scientific crap that is trying to paint this picture that we're just nothing special.
It's only Darwinian evolution or only Big Bang, you know, all this indication there is no spiritual phenomenon.
I think that's going to fade away.
We're going to take this old news and we're going to stop.
caring about it.
I think it needs to stop being taught.
I think the truth, I think the reality is somewhere in the middle.
I think it's evolution, but I think it's through intelligence, right?
I don't think it's Darwinian evolution.
I think it's more so like what the Rosicrucians, you know, and the wisdom traditions teach that it's like God is evolving us, right?
But in reality, it's like it's not just physical and biological evolution, it's the evolution of consciousness.
The fact that the human body and any sort of biological life evolves is only a reflection of the evolving consciousness, right?
So, over time, our consciousness is evolving, and therefore, you know, we're evolving too.
The scientists are like, oh, you know, it's Darwinian this and that, and it's evolution, it's evolution.
That's a tiny little piece.
They're looking in the corner of the room, they're not looking at the whole picture.
It's consciousness evolution.
There's, you know, thinking about like what would happen if this became ubiquitous and everyone realized that, you know, there's this whole nother reality.
Like, this isn't reality.
We are just like a shadow of a higher dimension.
And how would that affect people's lives?
Well, you would think maybe people wouldn't want to wake up and go to work anymore.
Maybe it would sort of like redefine meaning for people.
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And meaning for most people is.
Creating some sort of identity for themselves, like people who have a purpose in life.
They wake up and they, when they go to work or when they do whatever they do every day, there's something behind that, whether it be making a lot of money, whether it be building some sort of legacy that outlasts them.
Like if you want to talk about some sort of like symbolic immortality, there is that.
Very much tied to innovation and like humans building things and evolving things.
Like when you talk about automobiles or AI or whatever it might be, we human beings are at the foundational level.
We just create new shit, and that's like what we do best.
And that is what runs the entire world.
That's what runs our global economy building and creating and manufacturing and all this stuff.
And the Core drive for all that is money, legacy, symbolic immortality.
There's so many things that are just like at the core of human existence.
And if you change that from the bottom level, saying that this is not reality, we are a shadow of some higher reality and spirit, and you get into all this, you know, esotericism, and you're changing what it means to be.
A human in our reality, what is that going to do to the fabric of society and the way the world operates?
Like, we're no longer going to be this, we're no longer going to be a society or a culture that wants to make stuff or wants to, that cares about money.
I don't think so, right?
I think we create because we're a reflection of the creator.
Right.
And I think if we existed in a society where we weren't designed, not by, you know, nature, but by the power structures to just be dumb, loyal workers, if that form of society went away, that meaning what it is now, you know, we're all supposed to go to school, you know, memorize our answers for the test and then go out and then go to college, you know, and then get a job.
And we're just, we're dumb workers.
Yeah.
And again, a lot of the things that define, Who we are and what we do is very much related to the fact that we don't live forever.
Yeah.
Right?
That we're going to die eventually and we have to do as much as we can while we're still alive.
Yeah.
But I think if this form of society went away and like, I think, you know, I know of a handful of technologies just from a couple of chats with, you know, like CIA officers and NASA and aerospace, people like that.
I know we have very advanced technologies.
Yeah.
And I know a couple of things, not even anything that would blow your mind.
But the point is, I know that there is advanced technology.
I know it.
And I feel like that there have to be technologies that could change the very fabric of technology, like energy.
I know they have some advanced energy systems.
Time travel was indicated, although I haven't seen any evidence of that, but it was indicated.
Extreme hologram kind of stuff.
High tech batteries.
I mean, you name it, there are advanced technologies.
I think that there are ways that they could just create some sort of baseline level of wealth and security where, you know, it's like if we didn't have to worry so hard about survival and bills and taxes and we could just kind of like exist in a peaceful society, then I think we would want to create.
That's the thing though.
We, you say like clearly we have some crazy high tech shit that people don't know about.
Yeah.
With the military and stuff.
With the military.
Right.
And that's government.
That's the thing.
Like, How advanced, and is it advanced enough, or could there be some sort of enlightenment that's going to stop us from being these territorial apes that we are?
Like right now, the world is based off nations that want to compete for power.
Right.
Right.
And the more they want more people, they want more money, they want more military might, more guns.
That's what the world is.
That's what everything is based on.
Like our entire GDP is based on war, it's based on military contractors.
That's what runs the world.
So, is there something technologically advanced, something that's so crazy that it's going to change all that?
It's hard for me to wrap my mind around that.
I think it exists.
I do.
I don't know that for sure, but I know that the beings told my dad that it was written many thousands of years ago about the light winning and that it's already happened.
You know, it was just playing out.
And I do think that we're going to be the generation that gets to see the great unveiling of the mysteries of what it all means.
Why are we here?
Life after death, God, these beings, what is our place in the universe?
I think we're going to know those things.
And I think that when we do know those things, everything is going to change.
I think that there, like you said, will there be some form of enlightenment?
I do.
I think it's happening now.
I think it's happening right now with just, you know, an example of that is me and you talking or anybody.
Talking about this.
And that's just going to spread and spread and spread, and more people are going to talk about it.
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And like we said, the more people aware of this, the more people are going to see it.
I know this.
I'm, you know, talk about since I was a kid being studied by the Department of Defense because these things are happening at such a strange intensity.
You know, like I've seen things that mortals should not see.
I've seen very weird shit.
You know what I mean?
And what I know, something that I cannot be convinced otherwise, especially recently with stuff happening, more and more people are starting to see these things.
Just for example, dad and I.
And just my family, we've had a lot of people out to the property to sky watch.
You should come, by the way.
You should come visit.
I would love to.
You should come visit.
I would love to.
Like maybe after the holidays or whenever you get a chance.
But we've had a lot of people come to our house over the years, and a lot of people have seen this phenomenon.
And despite that, up until recently, Dad never had a mass.
I say mass, you know, when I say mass, people might think thousands or millions.
I don't mean that much.
But like the biggest group that Dad had been with.
Present that had a sighting with him was like maybe 20.
And then a couple months ago, after he published his book, he published his book back in like February, and then the documentary came out in like August.
And then I think it was like September or something, he went and did a book signing kind of thing at a place in North Carolina.
And there were 50 to 70 people there, and they saw, they put a microphone to my dad, and they're like, oh, we're going to do a skywatch led by you.
And he didn't, he wasn't prepared for this, and he did it.
And I mean, I wasn't there, but I know there were 50 to 70 people there.
And they all saw.
They saw.
And it's like, oh my God, something's happening.
You know, this is a pretty big crowd, you know?
And it's like, then after that, Dad and I were like, you know what?
We could do something with this.
And we had the wild idea why don't we try to take this out into the world?
You know, we put the videos up and, you know, we've invited History Channel to our property to study us.
And get sightings on their AI cameras and all that, and you know, have let people come to our property.
And now we've been at other places with large crowds and seen it.
Why don't we try something different?
Why don't we try to organize some sort of public event where we can try to show as many people as possible?
So I was like, Dad, I'll just put it out on Instagram.
We'll invite the whole world.
Anybody who wants to come, you know, show up at this day, at this time, we're going to be here, we're going to sky watch and we're going to see what we're going to see.
And Dad was like, I don't know if I'm comfortable with that.
Let's make it smaller first and we'll work our way up.
So we ended up with like 11 people.
The point is, it was our first time doing this, and we went out to the beach at Wrightsville Beach, North Carolina.
And we had a crowd with us at an agreed upon spot in time.
We've never done this before.
We went out and we said, Okay, we're going to meet in a public location off of our property with the express intention of having sightings.
And we had crazy sightings, like crazy, like stuff flying over our head.
And it looked like the sky was like, looked like the stars were just shooting all around in every direction and crazy, crazy stuff.
I did an episode on my podcast about that night, but, um, Something's happening.
You know, there's some sort of, just based on my lifelong experience with these beings, there is the notion I'm understanding that it's growing.
It's growing and growing.
The awareness of this, the sightings, you know, and like not only is it growing around us, but then like the awareness of it is growing.
And look at you, dude, you just had dad on, and I mean, that right there is awareness.
You know, like, yeah, whether people believe or not, it doesn't matter, they've heard it, right?
And dad just did the History Channel thing.
And then there's some sort of awareness that is growing.
And I think it's going to just keep growing and growing and growing and growing.
Well, going back to what you were saying about some of the people telling you not to talk about this stuff, right?
Some of the people that you originally met with saying, don't talk about this stuff publicly.
It won't be good.
We used to have to kill you a couple of years ago, but now we don't have to do that anymore because we have an easier way.
It's easier for us to ruin your life now.
Yeah, that's exactly why I do it.
So.
That kind of goes back to like if this is something that could upset the balance of global power, it's interesting that you just said the DOD and the CIA are the people most interested in it because this is a potentially something that could render them obsolete.
Yeah, exactly.
That was something that was told to me by Jim.
He was like, Well, I can't remember exactly when I asked him.
This was several years ago, probably like 2016 or something like that.
And we were at that mutual friends in Pennsylvania.
And I asked him a question.
I was like, Why don't y'all just come out and say it, man?
Like, call the crap.
I've always kind of had a funny way with these people.
I don't really honor sensibilities.
And I just, you know, I say what I want to say.
Like, you've investigated me.
I feel like I. Have the right to ask questions, yeah, respectfully, you know, and I've pressed and I pressed and I pressed.
And um, it was funny one time, actually, I asked him, I was like, Is there such a thing as like the Illuminati or the shadow government?
I said, Shadow government, I was like, Is that real?
He got this big grin, and he was like, Uh, I might have brushed shoulders with it, but anyway, so yeah, I said, Um, something like, Why don't you just come out with it?
Why all the secrecy?
And he goes, Well, um, you have to imagine that there would be a lot of people.
Pretty upset that if they found out how we've been kind of hiding it the whole time, you know, and if they found out the nature of it, and we would most likely lose our continuity of power in the public image or the image of the continuity of power.
Yeah.
They can't come out and be like, sorry, my bad.
We've killed people over this.
We've silenced them.
We've abused people.
Here's why we did it.
I hope you freeze.
They're not going to do that.
They're like, please go.
Tell it for us.
Yeah, that's a big can of worms.
They don't want people to, they don't want people approaching the phenomenon.
They don't want, exactly, it's a big can of worms.
They don't want people interfacing with this.
They don't want people out there looking up at the sky connecting with it.
They don't want people to connect with it at all.
There's that recent bill that was passed, that whistleblower amendment.
I forget, I think it was the Schumer amendment, and the Whistleblower Act was passed as a part of it.
Basically, that was like whistleblower protection for people that wanted to come out and talk from, uh, Private military contractors like Raytheon or Northrop Grumman or Lockheed or whatever it was.
And I think Grush was protected by that Whistleblower Act.
And now they're trying to reverse it and they're trying to get rid of it.
And two of the congressmen that are pushing to get it kiboshed are guys that are paid for, that are very much lobbied by Lockheed.
And one of the guys is right near Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
So it seems like.
What the consensus is is that some of these big private aerospace companies or defense companies are trying to keep this stuff secret.
And they've been doing business with the government for a long time, and there's a lot of secrets.
And it seems like some of these private companies have way more control than they should have.
And they're obviously these senators and congressmen are in their pockets.
Yeah.
And that has a lot to do with the secrecy, I think.
They're the ones that are pushing for it more so they can make more money and they can protect all those budgets and militarize.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You ask, you're like, who's the dark force?
I mean, I'm really trying not to.
Be blatant about it here, but I mean, you know, we want to militarize the just generalizing, you know, it's just we want to uh militarize, you know, like that's that's what it is.
They militarize space, exactly.
Militarize space, militarize the phenomenon, militarize the subject.
I mean, you tell me who's the dark force.
I don't know, I don't want to say, yeah.
Your dad told a story on the podcast about how uh, there was a rocket that was being shot out of off the east coast or whatever that had like a mock warhead on it, but it was fake, but it wasn't real, and it got.
Some sort of.
It got shot down.
Is there a video of that online?
There was at one point.
I don't know if it's still up.
I saw the video.
Eventually it was leaked online.
And Dap is like, this was the one.
Yeah, he showed it in Mission Control.
Do you remember where it was launched from?
If we were to search for it, it would be.
Probably Cape Canaveral.
I don't know.
No, it was on the West Coast.
Oh, was it?
Yeah.
Steven, if you like search Vandenberg.
Vandenberg.
That's what it was.
Vandenberg.
But it was, yeah, it was just an orb and it shot controlled bursts.
Of light into the thing and it tumbled down.
And yeah, Tim Taylor asked my dad, he was like, Why do you think they did that?
Dad was like, Well, was it a warhead or something like that?
You know, I wasn't there.
I'm just paraphrasing how it went down, you know.
And they determined, Yeah, it was.
They were trying to sneak a dummy warhead into space.
This phenomenon doesn't let us put weapons in space.
Actually, they came and they told the government.
Who?
Who came and told the government?
The beings.
In the 1950s, they're like, no more nuclear testing above ground.
You're harming beings and other realities.
You need to stop this.
And if you actually look in history in the 1950s, they stopped testing nuclear bombs above ground.
Now, this is something that the entities indicated in my dad.
Cool corroboration here.
There is an experiencer by the name of Dorothy Izat who we never had the pleasure of.
I've heard of her.
I've watched a.
Her documentary?
Yeah, yeah.
It's really good.
I didn't watch the full documentary.
This guy, Sam, on Twitter, his name's Tupacabra.
He made a little documentary on his YouTube channel.
That's how I learned about her.
But she has a very similar experience to what your dad sees.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And I only know that because Jim Simivan in the CIA told me, he was like, I think you should watch Capturing the Light by Dorothy Isaac.
And it's, in my opinion, very similar to what you're experiencing.
It's a very similar phenomenon.
And anyway, so if you go into Dorothy's experience, she had the same message from the beings.
What message?
About the nuclear bombs and harming beings and other realities.
So, how in the 50s they told the government that?
Oh, yeah, they're like, you put a stop.
How do they tell the government?
I don't know.
I imagine they showed up and they scared the hell out of it.
Does anybody have any like story on how that happened?
I don't know.
That's all I know.
That they warned them don't test bombs above ground anymore.
You're harming it, it causes it shocks through the dimensions, you know?
We're like splitting atoms.
It can't be good.
For anything.
Period.
You know?
And yeah, they actually did stop testing nuclear bombs above ground in the 50s.
And here's another cool little tidbit.
I remember being a kid back when the Discovery Channel and Mufon was investigating us in 2008.
One of the reasons that they knew that my dad was telling the truth when he hit send was they wanted him to draw the depictions of the beings and the craft.
Remember, we talked about, you know, it's a craft, but it's kind of like made of light.
It wasn't like a flying saucer.
No, it was like a teardrop shape of light spinning with these tendrils of light.
I mean, it's, you know, it's like think.
Think like HP Lovecraft for anybody out there that knows what I'm talking about.
It's like something cosmic that you're not really supposed to, you can't really understand it.
It baffles the brain.
And I've seen this.
I've seen this kind of thing.
I've seen one of those.
But talk about missing time.
But what was I?
I forgot where I was going with that.
Oh, oh, oh.
In 2008, Mufon and the Discovery Channel were investigating us and they brought us diagrams from the 1950s where they had.
Other witnesses draw the same exact being in the same exact craft.
And they were like, look at this.
It's identical.
They knew we weren't making it up.
They knew that it was.
They told us they get thousands of reports.
Do you have pictures of the beings that you guys drew online?
Where can we find them online?
I can find them on my phone.
Can he find them?
Where can he find them and pull them up on there?
Maybe just type like Chris Bledsoe painting.
Yeah.
Otherwise, I can send it to you.
Chris Bledsoe painting.
I think you sent it to me the other day, didn't you?
Uh huh.
But I also have one of the original drawings.
Oh, really?
Uh huh.
Google.
Oh, that's the lady.
Yeah, that's painted by Doug Auld.
Mm hmm.
There's Dad with the brain scan.
There's my dad's painting on the left.
Is that.
Go up.
No, that's the scary one.
Scroll up.
No, that is my dad's painting.
That's the little one?
Yep.
Oh, look.
That's by me.
Dad painted this in 2009.
Love the glyph on his.
I think that's my first ever tweet.
Really?
Yeah, I think so.
Is this the scary one that was hidden in the closet?
I don't know about the closet, but that's.
What one was in the closet?
I don't remember one in the closet.
I remember the scary seven footer that was outside the window.
No, Like Chris said he painted the creature, and his wife said it was so scary to get it out and put it in storage.
That was the seven foot.
Yeah, it's the other one.
This is the one that my brother saw in the woods, that I saw in my room, and it was translucent.
With the mechanical eyes.
Yep.
And that dad saw, see the triangle on his chest?
And that dad saw in the backyard, and it was like, you don't understand.
We're not here to hurt you.
We're here to help you.
I got a question.
Yes, sir.
Are these things able to change the way they appear to you?
Yes.
And if so, could they make themselves more pleasing than this scary little dwelling being with red eyes?
Perhaps like a beautiful blonde haired, blue eyed woman with a white dress.
Yeah, I think so.
You think they're the same thing?
I think they're generally, I mean, they all come from the same place.
Yeah, I think they can appear in a variety of ways.
You think so?
Okay, so the consensus is that these little beings and the big, tall, seven foot ones and the lady.
Are sort of like the same thing, just like shape shifting into different forms.
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I don't think it's quite like that.
I think it's more so like, how can I say this?
Well, you know, it's like at the Vatican, they have this whole nine orders of angels thing, right?
Yeah.
You know, I think it's closer to that.
That there's a hierarchy of existence throughout reality or realities.
This is what Jim Sumivan actually told me.
He said that this is what Diana writes about in her book, too.
I haven't read it.
The new one.
I wouldn't know, but that's cool.
But yeah, so Jim told me.
That's the seven foot one that he said had like human ish eyes.
Yeah.
And eventually.
So it did have a pupil.
It had a pupil and white around it.
And then eventually they removed their appearance and they were just light.
I wonder if they're making themselves look like that on purpose.
Like if they could look like anything else.
Like back in medieval times, maybe they made themselves look different.
Yeah.
Well, you know, like we only understand angels to be how they look because of all the Renaissance era paintings and stuff, you know, with the Roman armor and the wings.
And, you know, I don't know.
You've got people over in Ireland talking about elves and fairies coming out of mounds.
And I mean, throughout different cultures, you have so many different descriptions.
I think it's all the same thing.
But have you ever heard of the guy?
There's a kid in here, not a kid.
He was probably my age.
This dude who was a filmmaker and he made a documentary about a guy in New York City called Love and Saucers.
If you can Google, if you just YouTube love and saucers, Steve.
Yeah.
What was this guy's name?
Really old guy.
But basically, his story was that he lost his virginity to an alien.
David Huggins.
David Huggins.
That's who it is.
Yes.
It's an amazing documentary.
Wow.
And he draws all these paintings, and he tells this incredible story of how he had sex with this female alien and she had babies.
Let's play the teaser.
If you just type in Love and Saucers trailer, it is really, I mean, it's a very well done documentary.
I believe this guy is genuine.
I don't believe he's telling a story.
I don't think he's making this up because, yeah, there you go.
David Huggins.
Shout out to David.
Why did these beings choose me?
There is an orange yellowish light comes on.
David is looking at the light and doesn't hurt his eyes.
He is aware of the beings.
They are standing over him.
They are touching his body.
My name is David Huggins.
I'm 72 years old and I live in Hoboken, New Jersey.
Perfectly normal life until I started remembering things.
It was just like image upon image upon image.
It wouldn't stop.
I was so scared.
The eyes were just glowing straight toward me and we floated up to some type of craft.
I said, You hurt me, you hurt me.
No, This is the woman I never told anyone about.
When I was 17, I lost my virginity to a female extraterrestrial.
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That's all I can say about it.
Virginity lost.
And he clearly doesn't understand, don't kiss and tell.
I mean, could you imagine?
Like, if I was the extraterrestrial that came down and had this encounter with him, I'd be like, dude, you're painting me and putting me, you know.
That's why she stopped talking to him.
It's got to be.
Yeah.
But apparently, he has little babies that he got to meet.
Whoa.
Crazy documentary, man.
I highly recommend it.
It's really good.
Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.
Hoboken, New Jersey.
That's where Julian is.
We gotta, oh my God.
We need to get him out of there.
We gotta get Julian out ASAP, bro.
Well, dude, thank you so much for coming on and doing it and hanging out and telling the story.
It is so perplexing, man.
Especially the fact that I witnessed it and I got it on video with your dad is something that I can't explain and I haven't been able to figure out.
I definitely want to go out there and try to do it again, though.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, yeah, just I think the best thing would be sometime in the coming months, just come out and visit.
You know, I just think generally, like for you as a person, man, to have your own experience that's really meaningful and impactful, just come out and visit, you know, and just no pressure, and we'll just hang out and have a good time and, you know, see some crazy stuff.
Yeah, I'm going to tell people where they can follow your podcast and all your social media stuff.
So we can, we can link it.
We'll link it down below in the description.
Thank you.
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Twice Born.
Twice Born.
We got to listen to some of that.
Twice Born.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, cool.
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