Chris Dunn presents evidence linking the Great Pyramid to Tesla technology, theorizing it functions as a solid-state electron harvester utilizing the Freund effect and chemical reactions within Queen's Chamber shafts to generate microwave energy. He details findings from the 2002 Pyramid Rover mission, precise granite boxes at the Serapium, and Petrie Core No. 7's ultrasonic spiral groove, arguing these artifacts prove ancient hydraulic and nanotechnology capabilities. Ultimately, this analysis suggests a unified, advanced energy manufacturing site existed 12,000 years ago, challenging conventional historical narratives about Egypt's technological limits. [Automatically generated summary]
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Civilization's Resource Dependency00:10:46
We just finished covering the last three hours.
We sort of covered your background in machining and engineering, and we got into all of the details of the Great Pyramid and the different chambers and shafts, which you theorized essentially that the Great Pyramid of Giza is a solid state electron harvester.
Gathers electrons from igneous rock deep inside the earth and creates microwave energy.
Did I get that right?
Yeah.
For the most part.
For the most part.
Okay.
Right.
All right.
So we're jumping back in.
And we also talked about how there was a discovery that there was a huge hydrogen explosion inside of the king's chamber.
That's what I theorized.
Yeah.
And the theory is going back.
12,000 years ago, roughly, when we know that they're.
We don't know.
We don't know exactly, but it's potential that they could have happened during the great cataclysm that has supposedly happened 12,800, 13,000 years ago when a series of comets hit the earth.
Potentially comets could have been solar mass ejections.
I have to be clear on one thing, though.
Yes.
Two things.
Okay.
One is that as far as when the Great Pyramid was built, And as far as who built it, I have no opinion on that.
No opinion.
I just focus on how and why.
Right.
Just focusing on the engineering.
Now, as far as the who and when, my position is that it's up to the Egyptians to decide.
Answers to those questions.
Why is it up to the Egyptians?
Because it's in their country.
Oh, you're talking about the specific people that are involved in the science behind this stuff that are in Egypt, not necessarily.
You're not referring to.
Well, I mean, I think you're talking about different disciplines.
Okay, so to understand the functions of the Great Pyramid and to, you know, get it to work again, then you are going to need your physicists and your.
Scientists and technical skills, you know, on many levels.
But as far as deciding the history of it and the time period when it was functioning, that could involve another branch of academia or the sciences to understand those questions.
Right.
And so, you know, I stay out of the historical thing and also the.
The whole issue of one thing I've always avoided is, you know, resorting to Atlanteans or aliens.
And there's a good reason for that.
When you look at history and the Egyptians and what they have experienced from outsiders who have come to their country, whether it's from Napoleon, you know, to the British and the Germans and the Americans.
They see a lot of their treasured artifacts left the country.
And some of those artifacts they're demanding be returned or requesting they be returned.
And so another aspect of that is not just the physical artifacts are now leaving the country, but also their heritage is being questioned.
And by some people who claim that, well, the Egyptians were not capable Of doing that.
And so, therefore, it must have been another race.
And I think that is where there is a misunderstanding in terms of how that is interpreted by the Egyptians, because it's like, well, not only are they ripping off our artifacts, but they're ripping off our history and our heritage.
And And so they're very sensitive to that.
I don't want to do that because we don't know.
And, you know, when you consider looking at these artifacts that are beautifully crafted, beautifully finished, and if you look at what happens to any civilization after a cataclysm, what would happen to its industries, to its scientists, to all the specialized skills that exist within the culture.
Um that her make that civilization function.
I mean, it's so myriad and and dynamic and varied and nuanced and it's, you know, no one person can interpret everything about what happened in a particular culture at a particular time.
There's nobody archaeologists historians, they don't know, they just have a very, very narrow field of view uh, into society today.
Right, can you imagine what they, you know the the viewpoint in societies that lived thousands of years ago?
It gets really murky really quickly.
Yeah.
So if you think about it, if our society, if America was suddenly hit with a comet and everything was destroyed, we would be brought to our knees.
All our technologies would disappear over time.
Everything would be destroyed.
A large section of the population would disappear.
There would be an extinction event.
There have been in the past and there could be again.
So, what happens then?
I mean, in terms of the survivors, what are they going to be doing?
They're not going to be going on Facebook and, you know, checking their iPhone for long.
All the cell towers that go down, everything will be gone, right?
So, they'd be stuck in caves trying to survive, scrimping.
So, how long does it take a person who is reduced to rubble?
You know, everything that they've known and enjoyed, how long does it take for them to build back to that particular stage?
Right?
And to say that the people that survived a cataclysm in America were not capable at some point in their history of doing wonderful and amazing things and, you know, having.
Brilliant scientists arise out of the general population and do brilliant and amazing things.
To say that that particular culture could not support an advanced civilization, I think is wrong.
It's just a matter of, you know, our civilization has been dependent on, first of all, resources.
Right?
Human resources and also the physical resources of nature that provide us with abundance and freedom.
Freedom for educating people and developing programs where instead of being out in the field digging potatoes or whatever to feed the family, they're sent off to university to learn physics and, you know.
And it's kind of like that development.
You have to have that.
That the underpinning of science is based on people having that kind of freedom and people around them that recognize that they are different and that they should be nurtured and developed and they can eventually benefit everybody.
Whereas if you're just living in an agrarian society and Just to live, just to survive, you've got to work the land.
The education institutions no longer exist.
And if they did, you won't have time to go to them.
Or they may be repurposed to do something else.
I don't know.
So it's, yeah, I mean, it's a scary thought, really, when you think about it.
Yeah.
If it wasn't a crazy advanced civilization that had essentially hit the reset button on everything, we would lose.
Like if that happened right now, we would have within.
500 years, there would be no evidence of any of the skyscrapers.
There would be nothing left except for Mount Rushmore, the Great Pyramids, and like the Hoover Dam, right?
The stone structure would survive.
Maybe.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like to say the Egyptians, because when you look at how they lived and worked 5,000 years ago, I mean, they did have an amazing civilization just.
Just at that period of time.
But to say that there was no point in their history when they were capable of building the pyramids, I think is a mistake.
You just have to know what period of time it was when the destruction came and everything stopped.
Which is a very interesting perspective that I haven't heard anybody.
Limestone Percolation and Cracks00:14:31
It seems like there's so much war going on between people that are.
Talking about this and debating this, it's become such an entrenched ideology and almost like a religion for some people to where they just want to fight.
But, like you said, yeah, it is entirely possible that the Egyptians that came later were just the survivors of who came before, who had the tools and had the machines to build some of these insanely precise structures and objects and machines.
Right.
I mean, the evidence is there.
All you have to do is recognize it, take measurements.
Right.
Yeah.
Like you have done.
So we're looking at the Queen's Chamber right now on your slides.
Right.
We talked about the hydrogen explosion, and it would be probably a good thing to talk about where the hydrogen was created.
Yes.
And why hydrogen is considered to be.
the gaseous medium where laser activity takes place.
Okay.
So if we look at the Queen's Chamber, it had two shafts.
In 1872, Wayne and Dixon detected a crack in the wall and found that they could push a rod through into, perceivably, an open space.
So he had the limestone chiseled out.
Initially, they were They were not connected to the chamber.
Really?
Right.
See, that's a very, very important point is that there was a five inch, what they call a five inch left, it's been called, where the shaft was cut almost to the inside wall, but five inches remained.
Then there was a crack.
So there's your five inches, there's your crack.
Right?
Then in 1993, Rudolf Gantenbrink explored this shaft and he found that it ended at a stone block.
Okay, before I go further with this, I should add that Wayman Dixon also opened up the northern shaft, tap by tapping on the wall and detecting a hollow space directly opposite the other shaft.
He chiseled the limestone out there and opened up that shaft.
So you've got two shafts that are closed off at the chamber.
They don't connect with the chamber, they just have that layer of limestone.
Why do you think they weren't connected to the chamber?
There's a reason for that.
I'm getting to it.
Okay.
Good question.
Thanks.
So, anyway, when Ganton Brink sent his robot up, he found the.
What has been known as Ganser Bricks Door, right?
Everybody's heard of that.
And then through the door, he saw that there were two fittings, metal fittings.
I haven't read any metallurgical analysis of what the composition of the material is here, but they have some very unusual features.
Number one, which is important, is that the one on the left here that you see here.
Is shorter than this one.
They found a piece of it that was on the shaft floor, down further down from it.
So it had broken off or dropped off and fell down.
This one was intact, but you can see that it was tapered from the top to bottom.
You can see a little tapering on that.
Okay, so there is a reason for that.
So essentially, once that was discovered, and they were talking about drilling a hole through that limestone block, it's called a door.
I mean, that shaft is only like eight inches square.
So, a door for what?
There's no one here.
You know, it's just a misnomer.
I think actually, you know, Hawass was involved in that.
And a door, it seems like, okay, we'll call it a door because maybe Khufu's tomb is behind it.
There's some treasure back there.
Oh, yeah.
So it's a door to some other mysteries.
Right.
Right.
So, anyway, when they were testing the thickness on the door, I had published in my book this image right here.
And basically, I'd speculated that behind these copper fittings or whatever material they're made of were connected to some cables that went down to a chamber.
And the reason for the copper fittings or whatever the material was was to create a circuit.
They served as like a fluid switch.
So, if you can imagine, like, what is the reason, what is the purpose of these shafts where they're closed at the bottom end and closed at the top end?
Right.
Why?
What would they be using?
Right.
What would pass through there?
There's only one substance that would pass through, and that is a fluid.
How would a fluid get into a closed off shaft with no openings?
Well, that's it.
They had to have been pumped from below, from somewhere below.
Right?
Okay.
And so the two chemicals, there was a chemical engineer that worked at the company I was working at, and his name was Joe Druyuski.
And I said, well, okay, what two chemicals could I mix to produce hydrogen?
And he gave me a formula for it.
It was hydrated zinc and a dilute hydrochloric acid solution.
Okay.
So, looking at the erosion or corrosion of the pins and considering the operation, you have a layer of fluid that is covering the pins, creating a circuit.
Okay?
And so electricity flows from one of those electrodes, I call them electrodes.
One of those electrodes to the other, electricity is flowing.
Okay.
Okay.
And so that signals a closed condition.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
So when the fluid drops below the level of those pins, then the circuit opens.
Now, what is important is the metering of this fluid into the chamber.
And so, you know, by gathering information from numerous sources, right, I was puzzling over the Queen's Chamber shaft, and I was talking to a civil engineer.
He was doing percolation tests in the property I had in southern Indiana.
Well, southern Indiana has a lot of limestone, as you know, right?
And so I was out. talking to him as he was doing a percolation test.
And basically what that is, he digs a hole, right?
And then he times, he fills it with water, and then he times the disappearance of the water to determine how many cubic feet that you would need to handle a septic system, right?
Okay.
For a house.
Okay.
And so basically, you know, your fluid waste goes into a septic tank and then it's dispersed through these runs that will distribute it through several pipes and into the surrounding soil.
So I asked him, I said, well, what do you do if you're doing a percolation test in around Bedford where there's a lot of limestone?
What happens then?
So you dig it into limestone, do you still Drill a test hole and fill it with water?
And he said, yes.
I said, really?
He said, yeah.
He said, you'd drill your test hole and then you would determine what the dispersion rate is or the percolation rate.
And I said, well, okay, that's interesting.
And what determines the percolation rate?
He said, the head pressure.
The what pressure?
The head pressure.
The head pressure.
Right.
So, really, that is the weight of water or the weight, yeah, weight of the fluid that's pressing down on the limestone, pushing it through the limestone.
You got it?
Yes.
So, it goes through the limestone at a certain rate.
But, in order for that rate to be precise and continuous, the head pressure or the column of fluid.
Has to be maintained at a certain level.
So, how exactly does the fluid get in there?
It gets in through these things, these two things?
Well, no.
I proposed that there was a behind this particular limestone block, there would be a vertical shaft going down to the bedrock and where you had the equipment necessary and supplies necessary to pump more fluid.
Behind the Gantt and Briggs door, and then replenish the shaft and maintain that level.
And it replenishes the shaft by going through the limestone, which is the door?
No, there is a gap underneath the door, and there's also a notch on the side.
So, oh.
Yeah, there won't be any problem with it going through there.
Oh, another point I want to make.
Is that, you know, a part of the evidence to support that I did.
So there's a gap under there?
Yeah, there's a little notch in the corner over there.
Okay.
Those pens are tapered top to bottom.
They're thicker at the top than the bottom.
Right.
Right?
So if you've got a corrosive fluid that is covering those and then slowly dropping, then you would actually have a corrosive fluid.
Effect that would leave a taper because the lower parts of that pin would be submerged longer than the upper parts of the pin.
Right.
And then when the fluid gets below the pins, not touching it anymore, that's when they're triggered to fill it with more.
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And notice this kind of substance around there.
It's like an insulation.
Right.
Well, this becomes a little more interesting as we get into further.
Further research.
Okay, all right okay, so we got that.
Um now, when they actually did the ex, the exploration um, they used a this is what I like an impact uh tester, thickness tester, where um the uh of the door, of the door yeah yeah, so they they measure the thickness of the limestone, they're recording it down there and it's three point Inches.
Okay.
Right?
And so in my drawing, I had illustrated 3.64 inches.
Interesting.
So just a little bit off, but still close, right?
So this is before they drilled.
After they had drilled, they found that there was no indication of wiring in their.
Drilled Pins and Wiring Symbols00:07:22
images because it was like a fisheye lens and everything was focused, you know, straight through.
Straight through and there was no articulation of the camera or anything like that.
So they were unable to look around.
But I had kind of modified my theory a little bit and posted it on my website and I proposed that the shaft may exist, but it may I've been on an angle and it may go to the outside, to the south.
So, you know, it's just like, okay, we get more information, we adjust the theory and we could still be wrong.
Right.
And I probably still am.
But at least we're making progress, right?
Okay, so then after that, the Jedi program, it was a dentist from Hong Kong who was very, very energetic and very persistent, visiting Dr. Huas numerous times and trying to get permission to do an exploration.
And he got a team together from England, Lees University.
And so they created a robot.
They called it the Jedi.
And they were going to put the robot where?
They were going to put the robot up the southern shaft.
Okay.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Actually, I should probably go in order.
Before that.
Sure.
Okay.
When the pyramid.
It was the pyramid rover in 2002.
When they explored the southern shaft and they drilled through it and they went up the northern shaft.
Oh.
Gantenbrink tried to go up the northern shaft when he sent his robot up there and it gripped the ceiling and the floor and he couldn't get around some obstructions in the bend.
Okay.
Okay.
The bend that goes around the Grand Gallery.
Right.
Okay.
And so the Pyramid Rover, what the team, what they did is they turned.
Turned their device on the 90 degrees and it gripped the walls instead of the ceiling and the floor.
Okay.
And it got up and they visited the, found the same kind of condition, a blockage at the end of the shaft.
Wow.
And the pins in this case look a little different than they did in the southern shaft.
So the pins here, Basically, you have the left one, it has this kind of a white substance on it, and on this particular pin, it's clear.
This pin also is recessed in the granite, I mean, in the limestone.
The limestone was cut away, there was a groove cut away, and that pin is recessed in the limestone.
I got an email from a guy in England, and he He said, you know, they used recessed cathodes to extend the life of an electrode.
And I was like, cool, that's pretty good.
So these recesses weren't evident in the south shaft, though, just in the north shaft.
Right, just in the north shaft.
Okay.
But there was something else in the north shaft that was recorded at that time, but it remained hidden.
Until just like a couple of years ago, 2021, which we'll get into.
Okay.
We'll go back to the Jedi exploration.
And what they explored the southern shaft with their robot.
They got to add an articulating camera that went through the Same hole that the Pyramid Rover drilled and got to look around.
And interestingly, you see that the pins, when they push through and enter the space behind Ganton Brink's door, they're looped around and seem to be locked into position in the back of the so called door.
And so you also see in this is a kind of like a white substance around that.
Right?
And then on this one, it seems fairly clean, except this is like, it seems like this is some kind of a rubber washer or something.
It looks like a stain on the stone.
Could be.
Could be.
You never know.
I mean, until you physically examine everything, you can just speculate, I guess.
They also were able to look on the floor behind.
Behind the door and they picked up uh, these symbols that were painted in with presumably red ochre on the on the floor.
And you have, you have this.
What is that device right here?
Um, and then there was a kind of like a, a letter, five number.
That does look like a number five, doesn't it?
Yeah, and something similar here, but It's hard to really tell.
Yeah.
And then there was also a line, right?
Which was basically right in line with the pens that came through the door.
Okay.
Right.
So they didn't know what those markings were.
They assumed that they were Mason's marks.
I actually.
Said, well no, they're electricians symbols, electrical symbols and and, and what this one is is a twisted pair, right?
So you've got a cable with two eyes coming out of it and then a couple of clips, one on that side and one on that side, positive and negative, and then the line on the sorry.
The line on the floor is to identify the polarity of the At the door.
So it's really a wiring diagram.
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How would people get up in there, though, to read that?
Good question.
When you read more of my book, you'll find out.
I read the whole thing.
Okay.
Maybe I blacked out on this chapter.
Maybe.
Or maybe I know the answer.
I'm just asking you.
It is a maintenance issue, right?
Right.
Because if you've got, it's like, okay, so we see that one of those electrodes was heavily eroded to the point where a part of it broke off, right?
Without presumably any intervention by human beings or man or mouse, right?
Right.
So, there had to have been some action on that particular electrode for it to break off.
And that's where your dilute hydrochloric acid comes from.
Okay.
Okay.
Then, you know, the other part to that is because that broke off and because it is an item that would need to be replaced on occasion.
then they would have to have some way of accessing it.
And I first thought about, you know, there is a theory, a theory put out by Jean-Pierre Houdin, who claims that there was an internal ramp and they used that ramp to haul stones up and build the pyramid.
And so I was thinking about the internal ramp, but then I kind of settled on the idea that the most efficient and quickest way to get to that particular spot,
Would be on the south face, just a very short tunnel for maintenance workers to reach the back of that door, pull out the existing door, and put another one in there.
So they could remove the outermost blocks of the face of the pyramid and just go right in there.
Yeah.
So there would be some way of accessing it.
Okay.
On the south, there would have to be some way of accessing it because, you know, obviously it would need to be replaced periodically.
Okay.
There's a drawing in my book where I show that.
Right, okay.
So that's it on the southern shaft.
And so there is still more to learn about at what point or where the fluid is introduced.
I had assumed that the fluid was introduced behind. the blockage or behind the Ganton Brinks door and its counterpart on the north side.
So my scheme was that the chemicals would be delivered to the back of those blocks, right?
That was until 2021.
And there's a YouTube channel, Ancient Architects, and they created a video that showed a load of photographs that were taken by the Pyramid Rover that had never been released to the public before.
And it was the Pyramid Rover actually photographs at stages as it was climbing.
Up that shaft to reach the so called door, the blockage, right?
And about halfway up, about 90 feet up, they came across this.
So there's an opening in that shaft, and it's near one of the bends.
You see there are two rods there, those were exploratory rods that were pushed up there.
And you can also see that there's a lot of trash in there.
Yeah.
But the area in front of that opening is fairly clean.
Yes.
How far up the shaft is this door opening?
98 feet or something.
98 feet.
Yeah.
Wow.
And is this in both north and the south shafts?
That is a good question.
So we still have to.
This is south or north right here?
This is north.
North.
Okay.
This is north.
And it's on the east side.
All right.
I'm sorry.
I'm blanking, but north is the side of the door?
Of the entrance.
Not Ganton Brinks door.
That's the south shaft.
Got it.
Yeah.
This is the north shaft.
Ganton Brinks is on the south.
Okay.
So this is the one on the side of the Grand Gallery.
Right.
Exactly.
Okay.
Right.
Oh, there's a whole.
That's a whole top.
So where does this space lead to?
This little access?
That's an unknown right now.
How could they not have found out where this goes with all the scans that have been done?
Well, yeah, I mean, it was actually in an article that was written by Zai Hawaas, and this image appeared in that article, but it was in some arcane journal, you know, and no mention of it whatsoever.
It seemed like everybody was more interested in the destination.
Rather than the journey, they were just pressing on to seeking the end of the shaft rather than paying attention to what was appearing in the cameras on the way up there.
That's insane.
Yeah, isn't it though?
So, this could be where they introduced the chemicals.
Right, exactly.
Where do you speculate the other end of this little doorway is?
Right here.
Where's this?
This looks like it's outside.
It's outside the pyramid and it's on the east side near the center of the pyramid.
Okay.
Okay.
So this vertical shaft is like there are two paths to it, right and left, right?
But it's kind of interesting.
The surface of this wall, or what we're seeing right here, the back wall, is kind of interesting.
It doesn't appear to be natural limestone, and it's kind of like there is a separation between it and this wall right here, you see.
Right.
Right.
So I don't know what happened in prehistory.
It looks like stairs down there.
Yeah.
But the.
No, they're not stairs.
Oh, okay.
But the funny story when I was there in 2021, my hat blew off and landed down in there.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Did you go get it?
No.
A very nice young man, Egyptian young man, jumped down and got it.
Oh, that was nice.
Yeah.
So it was windy.
But the, so, you know, what I would like to do is to, you know, do an experiment and fill.
The north shaft, you know, just cap it off in the Queen's Chamber and just pump water in it until it reaches the level of that opening and then monitor what goes on on the outside and see where it goes, I suspect.
Where do we get the liquid into the north shaft?
Through here?
No, no.
Through the Queen's Chamber.
Go into the Queen's Chamber, cap off the northern shaft.
And fill the queen's chamber up with water?
No, fill the shaft with water.
Just start pumping water into the shaft.
Okay, pump water into the shaft and then see if water comes out of here.
Right.
Okay.
That'd be cool if we could do that.
Probably not in my lifetime.
Or couldn't you just fill this thing up with water until it eventually comes out of, see if it ever comes out of the shaft?
Oh, you could never do that.
See, you never could do that because of the different levels.
Oh, got it.
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
It would just start pouring out of here.
I got it.
Yeah, it's gravity.
Gravity.
Damn gravity.
Damn gravity.
So, wow.
So, this would be potentially what do you think the function of this would be?
This opening here outside of the pyramid?
This would facilitate some means to deliver the chemicals to the individual shafts one on the northern shaft and the southern shaft.
Great.
But didn't you just say if we poured stuff in there, it would never reach the shaft?
Not without pushing it up there.
Oh, you'd have to push it.
You'd have to push it.
So, I mean, you would restore it to its original function and pump it up when there's a signal for more chemicals.
Okay, so it would have to be pumped through there.
Got it.
Right.
Okay.
So then, basically, what we're doing is we're taking the idea that the chemicals were pumped all the way up here.
And then, you know, I think it makes, you know, those Egyptians, they were brilliant, weren't they?
So, this east, on the bottom here, this east side bedrock chemical supply shaft, it looks like it's under because this is a 2D diagram, but this is actually on the outside coming towards us, right?
Exactly.
And those shafts, those outer, those, okay, there's two outermost shafts that connect to it.
That's the speculation of the point.
Right.
You know, what the reality turns out to be is another matter.
Right, right.
Right now, there's kind of hints.
There is an area in the southern shaft that is of interest.
Hopefully, they will be able to find something out soon if they go back in there and explore it.
Okay.
So, this is assuming that the same little opening is in the southern shaft, but we only have found it in the northern shaft.
Right.
Okay.
So, chemicals are being introduced through this outside shaft through the ground, being pumped up into these.
South and north shafts, which slowly introduce these chemicals into the Queen's Chamber.
And inside of the Queen's Chamber, what is happening with that chemical reaction?
Well, ultimately, they would be mixed and boil off hydrogen.
Then the hydrogen would fill the interior of the Great Pyramid.
Now, there's other evidence that we haven't discussed.
Early explorers in the Queen's Chamber found that the walls were.
Encrusted with salt up to about an inch thick.
Really?
Yeah, it's funny how that happened.
When was this?
I don't know.
A long time ago?
I mean, if you're reading Piazzi Smythe, then he was reporting on earlier visitors being driven out of the chamber by a noisome odor, which kind of suggests a chemical reaction.
Kind of like opening a kind of odor, yes.
Smelling salts, right?
Yeah.
What happened to those smelling salts?
Here they are.
In case we need them.
Oh, yeah.
The world needs to see Chris Dunn huff some smelling salts.
No, they don't.
So, this is an experiment you reproduced in a lab.
You reproduced what would be happening in those shafts with those electrodes going through the door.
Right.
You can explain this better than me.
Go ahead.
No, you're doing fine.
No, I said no.
Basically, I created a model out of plexiglass of the Gantt and Brink, a so-called door, and I crafted these electrodes with the loop on the end, and also fitted it with clips shaped like a number five, and wired it up to a light source.
Resonant Chamber Energy Points00:11:30
And then I made a model of a tank, right?
Same dimensions as the southern shaft, but a much shorter length, obviously.
8.4 by 4.8?
No, no.
This was more like 8 inches square.
Okay.
So then I fitted it up and demonstrated it to work.
So that's a, you know, it was a setup in the lab at Danville Metal Stamping and the, basically, you know, that, I'd actually took that photograph when,
after the liquid had dropped, but the, I demonstrated it for the ancient aliens folks and I had everything set up with the lights off and then filled the tank and brought the liquid up until it covered the pins.
And then the lights turned on, and so everything worked.
That's wild.
So, as soon as that liquid, which is what exactly is that liquid again?
No, it's just regular water with some food coloring in it.
Okay.
And as soon as it reached the pins, it turned on the light.
Right.
So then the other part of the experiment was to create the hydrogen.
And I mixed the zinc and hydrochloric acid, dilute hydrochloric acid.
And so the hydrogen boiled off, escaped through that chimney, and I put a flame to it.
And it's, is that like a solid flame that's being created right there from that, from those, just where the gas is coming out of the top of that chimney.
And it's sustained like that.
It stays like that.
Yeah.
Wow.
Until the reaction in the chamber stops.
Right.
In the vessel stops.
Right.
So that would be the effect inside the Queen's chamber.
Yeah.
Except without the flame, we hope.
Has there been no evidence of any other artifacts that could have been like the guts?
Of the pyramid?
Good question.
One point before I address that question.
Okay.
And if I forget it, remind me because I'm getting old now.
Okay.
Another point to make is that when I made those pens and I inserted them into the hole and then bent them down 90 degrees, right?
Mm hmm.
I had to apply a little heat and the pressure that I had to exert on the end of that to cause it to form was a fairly significant amount of pressure that I had to put on it.
And so when you look at the pins that are there now and the fact that one of them on the left broke off, there's no way That those pins, the one on the right or the left, could have been bent into that position after being installed.
Right.
Right.
They would have broken off before you actually got there.
Because when they went to test the thickness of the limestone, whether intentionally or accidentally, the one on the right was shortened.
And broke off, but nobody said anything about it.
Well, couldn't just 10,000 years of corrosion just make them break?
You can believe that if you wish.
But then, how do you explain the northern shaft not being broken?
I mean, yeah, I guess it's just chance.
If you got four metal pins and ask them all to survive 15,000 years, I mean, there's a chance one of them would break and three of them wouldn't, right?
I doubt it.
Okay.
Fair enough.
It's left alone with no interference of anything, any mechanical, chemical kind of.
No.
Okay, so there's one thing that I wanted to touch on that we kind of moved past rather quickly.
When we were talking about the input signal from the northern shaft and then the south shaft with the horn antenna.
The inlet point on the north shaft, the shaft goes through a series of bends, right?
So you see one bend, one, two, three, four bends before it enters the king's chamber.
The point where it enters the king's chamber is one quarter of the distance of the length of the chamber.
So in, you know, like a resonant cavity, a standing wave, the quarter wave point is considered to be a point where the highest amplitude of sound would exist, or the energy would be the greatest at the quarter wave point.
That's a significant point.
The other thing is that there are four bends.
Rather than just one or two.
Why?
And that is the design of waveguides, according to my good friend and aerospace engineer Eric Wilson, would be used to correct the beam.
They go through different kinds of steps, so you'll find along the shaft there is a a step down in one area.
Another place there is like a bump mm-hmm, where the the shaft is constricted, and so he believes that those are definitely, you know, like fingerprints of an ancient waveguide.
Okay, The other point to make is, you see where the shaft is located, right?
And the theory about why it is bent is to pass so it doesn't interfere with the Grand Gallery.
And you'll see where if it just went out straight without those bends, it would miss the Grand Gallery.
Right.
Right.
And so that doesn't, that seems to.
By about three feet.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And then when you look at when it finally takes its last bend and goes up past the Grand Gallery, it passes the gallery by about 13 and a half feet.
So that to me is significant.
Yeah.
It means that.
I don't know how thick those wall blocks are of the Grand Gallery, but I can imagine that they are extremely thick.
Meaning that all these bends, they are on purpose.
Yes.
They aren't just too, it's not like they were just figuring this out as they went about building it.
It's not like, oh, look, this is too close to this.
Well, let's build it out this way.
No, these bends have a specific function.
Right.
This is a.
Oh wow.
3D drawing of it where this was actually taken from Ganton Brink's drawings.
He's the one that did all the measurements.
And so you see how that looks, right?
Compared to if you wanted to just ventilate the chamber, you could just go straight down into it.
And, you know, the position where that enters the chamber is so specific.
And the quarter wave location?
The quarter wave location.
It's undeniable.
What is so specific about it?
That it's at a high energy point in the resonant chamber.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
The Cavigl tunnel, what is that?
The Caviglia.
Caviglia was an Italian explorer who reportedly dug that tunnel to reach the northern shaft.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
And you see where that bend I is?
Yes.
That's where Gantenbrink installed the ventilation fan.
Okay.
Yeah.
And this sort of invisible shaft, the less complicated ventilation shaft, that's how they could have installed it.
Oh, it's to be simple.
If they wanted to make it easier.
Sure.
Yeah.
That's the point I wanted to make on that.
Okay.
Very interesting.
Yeah.
Couldn't we scale this whole pyramid down?
And sort of test everything on a smaller scale to see if it works?
Like to make a pyramid that's like one tenth the size of this pyramid just to see if it works on a smaller scale?
That's a good question.
And yeah, a lot of people will have asked that.
I think in terms of scale, you can't really scale down a waveguide that has specific dimensions.
In order for it to function.
Okay.
So it's like, you know, it's going to be 8.4 inches.
And then as far as how the entire system operates, it covers 13 acres.
So it's collecting energy for over a 13-acre area.
Scaling Down Waveguide Systems00:02:14
And if you reduce that down, do you reach the energy levels that you need in order for it to function?
So I.
I would say that in some, you know, if you wanted to test the Freud effect theory, and you wanted to be able to, you know, without all the mechanisms on the inside that you see in the Great Pyramid, you just wanted to force the release of electrons from the lithosphere, and then,
you know, you would build a simpler system.
To do that.
But the other part of that is also how do you collect that energy and how do you distribute it?
You know, that's the other question.
And so this is where I get a little creative.
Oh, look at that.
That's beautiful.
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The Tesla Connection Revealed00:14:53
So is this what it looked like when it was working?
So, okay, I see the vibrations coming from underneath the earth hitting up into that 13 acre square.
Bottom base of the pyramid.
Right.
And it's, okay.
And it's traveling up there.
And it's the, you know, the interesting thing about the first thing I noticed about the chambers in the pyramid, they're not directly underneath the very tip of the pyramid.
You know, I would imagine that you'd want this thing to be symmetrical, like it's off center, which is interesting to me.
That's interesting.
The southern, the Queen's Chamber is.
Pretty much central.
Okay.
Right.
And the top of the Grand Gallery is pretty much central, but the King's Chamber is offset.
It's offset, right.
Okay.
And I see you have here around the King's Chamber, there's like a square around it.
Well, that's just art.
There's nothing.
Yeah.
Okay.
And this dome, what is this dome that we're seeing around the whole picture?
Well, that is the Tesla connection.
That's the Tesla connection.
With the Freund.
You see, with Freund's experiments, he needed.
He needed to have the handshaking going on.
So, as these positive holes are released from the lithosphere, they have to join with negative electrons and basically create that energy flow.
So, this would be the energy that's created, would be sort of like free energy free energy in the air.
It would power everything that they had.
It'd be, you know, based on.
You know, it's a nod to Nikola Tesla and his Wardenclyffe Tower, right?
His what?
The Wardenclyffe Tower and his vision of a wireless distribution of energy, right?
So if you have like a cage over the pyramid, you could have several connection points that go to the surface of the pyramid where that handshaking takes place.
And then it's radiated out through the dome.
Whoa.
I know it's crazy, right?
Isn't it more like science fiction?
It really is.
Yeah.
It really is, but everything is like science fiction nowadays.
Well, you know, the thing is that the more you learn about what the ancient Egyptians were capable of, I don't think you can put limits on your imagination to determine.
The full extent of it.
You know, it's kind of like, you know, we say, well, this couldn't be done today.
And I've always avoided that kind of conclusion that it can't be done today.
But I also think at the same time that it's like, well, what else were they doing that we don't know about?
Right.
We're only just scratching the surface.
We clearly don't think and operate the same way.
Because if they were building things like that, they still.
They went down an entirely different path than we went down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because if we're on the trajectory that we're on now, as far as our civilization goes and the way we harvest energy and the way we do everything, we're going to end up at a complete, if we keep going down, we'd have to completely start from scratch to get to here.
Well, we may end up that way anyway when you consider, you know, the reserves of coal and oil in the world.
Do you think there's a possibility that we could end up with something like this?
On our current path.
It would take somebody.
It certainly wouldn't be a political thing.
It wouldn't be a political thing.
The government probably wouldn't do it.
It would be a political thing.
Yeah, it may become that.
I don't know.
If somebody sees this and decides that money could be made, And a profit could be made.
Then I think that it's possible, you know, take somebody like an Elon Musk who is building all these cars.
You know, he only spent $55 billion on Twitter.
He could spend half that and reconstruct this pyramid, get it working again.
I got a perfect site for him, too.
You ever heard of Marfa, Texas?
No.
Where's that?
Marfa?
Marfa.
Yeah, it's the Marfa Lights.
Google it.
Marfa, Texas.
Marfa.
M A R F A. What's so special about it?
There's a light show all the time, though.
Earthquake lights.
Or terrestrial lights, I would say.
Terrestrial lights, right?
Which is the same thing as earthquakes.
Same as earthquake lights.
But there's definitely a lot of activity there.
Wow.
Are there big, tall mountaintops there, or what?
I think.
I'm not so sure about that.
I just recently learned about that.
Marfa, Texas.
Earthquake lights.
We should be able to find something like this on Google.
You should, yeah.
So, but then again, you know, this drive for everybody to go electric and building all these electric cars, how are they going to be eventually powered, you know?
They're still powered by coal and these typical power plants that we have now.
You know, in my book, I show a graphic.
Of a coal pyramid next to the Great Pyramid, right?
In 2021, they mined by weight enough coal to equal 76 Great Pyramids.
What just in the United States?
That's bizarre, very bizarro, yeah.
That's what they did.
76 times the size of the Great Pyramid.
It really baffles my mind that there's not some like really smart super billionaires around the world that could be fascinated enough in this technology and just the stuff that you've dug into and uncovered and theorized that they would want to sort of back engineer this thing for real.
Well, you got to hopefully that people will start to tune into it.
I mean, you know, the.
Right now, my book isn't even available, so people aren't reading it.
Well, the Giza power plant is.
The Giza power plant is, but the Tesla connection is like the Giza power plant on steroids, right?
It's got a lot more to it.
Because it introduces the idea of the igneous rock creating energy.
Yeah, the Freund effect.
The Freud effect, right.
And what do the other two pyramids have?
Have to do with the big pyramid?
Are they similar in construction?
Well, I think that every, most, all the pyramids really were served the same purpose.
They just performed in different ways.
But essentially, you have a very energetic part of the world, which is that part of Egypt.
And drawing energy from the Earth's lithosphere.
It's, I mean, you go to Saqqara, it's a very lively place.
Very lively, you know.
What do you mean lively?
Vibrations and, you know, it's.
Tectonically live?
Well, whether it's, yeah, I mean, it's tectonic or just the way it has been terraformed in a way to.
They've got a lot of these deep shafts and tunnels, miles and miles of tunnels in and around, under and around the step pyramid.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that whole area is a massive.
It's all part of this energy manufacturing site.
Yeah.
Have any explorations been done on the other two pyramids that are next to the Great Pyramids to this level?
Like, do they know if they have the shafts and all the chambers just like this?
No.
And one of the things that, one of the criticisms that I've received over the years is that I seem to be looking at this out of context and in isolation.
So I isolate the Great Pyramid and I analyze the Great Pyramid to the exclusion of all the other pyramids.
Right.
Right.
Fair enough.
The only thing is, is that in terms of doing a reverse engineering study, there's more information.
The Great Pyramid has produced more information and more interest than any of all the other pyramids combined for researchers.
So, you know, the available information on it and the technical aspects of it and the dimensions of it have been a Focus of many, many researchers over the years.
And so, all that information is like preliminary information whenever you're doing a reverse engineering project, is taking measurements of what you want to reverse engineer.
And all that work has been done over and over.
Right.
I wonder if the other two pyramids, though, could have been like backup generators or something.
They could have served as a sort of a crutch for the big pyramid or something.
If there was any sort of function for those.
Yeah, I think they all worked in unison and they may have played off each other because frequencies, sound.
I've described the Great Pyramid as a huge musical instrument because of its nature when you go on the inside of it.
Now, what about the Sphinx?
How do you think the Sphinx ties into it?
Do you think that's a part of the engineering?
We talked about Cadman's hydraulic pump generator.
Right?
A little bit we did, yes.
Okay.
So if you look at the water erosion, I mean, the Sphinx enclosure and the signs of water erosion in and around the Giza Plateau, there are deep shafts, you know, to near, well, the pyramids to the east, small pyramids, Queen's pyramids, they call them, to the east of the Great Pyramid.
Right.
And then some shafts that have. signs of water erosion.
Some shafts are clear, like no water erosion whatsoever.
And then there is a really deep shaft that's off to the south.
When I saw it in 2001, they had dug down about 100 feet and they were still digging sand out of it.
I don't know what the status of that project is anymore.
There was obviously a lot going on, and hydraulics does seem to enter into the picture.
And when I look at each of the pyramids individually, and you see different features on the inside, like the Great Pyramid, it has that subchamber, there's no exit point for water to flow to.
And so when I think of the Cadman model in terms of a hydraulic pulse generator, my thoughts turn towards, uh, can we find the Cadman?
Is there images of his model?
Uh yeah, that probably okay.
But my thoughts turn to uh having underneath the entire plateau a much larger pulse generator that causes the entire plateau to vibrate, And so you're releasing electrons, not just for one single pyramid, but every pyramid on that site.
Whoa.
That's the Conkle.
So, what did he theorize that was happening with this?
I don't theorize anything.
No, what did he.
What was his idea?
I think that is the Edward Conkle model.
Oh, okay.
Right.
Which John abandoned.
Mm-hmm.
Because he couldn't get it to work.
And he focused on just the lower parts of the subchamber, which he did get to work.
But.
Yeah, he built a replica for this thing at his house, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I went out and visited him.
Yeah, and you mentioned that when he demonstrated it working, you felt some rumblings underneath your feet.
Edward Conkle's Abandoned Model00:07:16
I certainly made the ground shake.
Yeah, that was an interesting visit.
And I met a hydraulic engineer that met us down there.
His name was Jack Cole, Dr. Jack Cole.
So John started up his machine or his pump and then it started to flow down into a catch basement.
They had a, I think it was a spring-loaded valve at the bottom.
And then there was, when the valve closed, there was a shock wave that shot back up into the chamber, causing the ground to shake underneath.
What I found most interesting was the beat.
It was beat like a harp.
Like a harp beat?
Yeah.
Lubdub, lubdub, lubdub.
About 60 beats a minute.
So I found that interesting.
But, you know, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of interesting research going on.
Backyard research.
Right, yeah.
Yeah.
Go up to where it showed the Nile River.
Oh, wow.
So, okay, when Ben was on here, he described the large granite boxes that are in the Serapium.
And I think you measured them personally by hand.
You found out that they were almost perfectly square inside and polished.
And they were in this long hallway and separated almost like it was horse stables.
And they were kind of like.
Depressed down into the floor a little bit too.
And people speculate, or the Egyptologist's theory on this is that those were the tombs, right?
That's where they put the mummies?
Supposedly.
That's what they say.
For an apex bowl, yeah.
That's the official reason for it.
Right, okay.
Now, what do you think the purpose of those massive granite boxes with perfect precision is?
What do you think the purpose was for those?
Oh, did we have time?
I'd rather just talk about the.
I don't know.
There is a.
You don't like talking about it?
There is a chapter in my book, right, on the Serapium.
And it introduces some ideas that I picked up along the way.
And.
And addresses some of the criticism that I've received.
Some of it rather harsh and incorrect, and some of it quite nasty.
So the problem that you have when you're talking about measurements and you're going into a, obviously,
a site where work has been performed, whether it is a site you would go to today or a site that was created 5,000, 10,000 years ago, pick your date, I don't know.
And you are doing an analysis.
How far do you go with your analysis?
And what are your motives for going there?
Right?
My history with the Serapium goes back to 1995.
And in 1995, I went to Egypt on the invitation of Graham Hancock and Robert Baval.
Graham was in the finishing stages of.
His book, The Fingerprints of the Gods.
And I had read Robert Baval's book, The Orion Mystery, and in that book he had described Ganton Brink's exploration of the Southern Shaft.
So I was very interested in that, very excited about that.
And so I sent a letter to Robert via his publisher and enclosed a copy of my article.
Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt, which appeared in Analog Science Fiction, Science Fact, 1984, August 1984.
It appeared as a fact article, by the way.
Oh, nice.
Congratulations.
Not science fiction.
Not pseudoscience, you mean?
No, no, no.
And so, and that's another story.
Maybe we could talk about that.
But anyway, you want to talk about the Serapion.
Then.
One day after, yeah, I went over there.
They interviewed me in the King's Chamber.
And then the following day, they were off to film in the Serapium.
And I met a guy there.
His name was Robert McKenty.
And he was a Canadian who was doing some research for a website that he had developed.
It was an educational thing.
I think it was sunship.com, I think was the name of it.
So anyway, he suggested that we get a taxi.
He wanted to show me an artifact at Sakari.
He wanted to get a taxi out.
And then after he showed me that, he thought that maybe I would proclaim it to have been a very precise machined artifact.
I looked at it and I said, no, it's not conclusive.
And so after that, we said, well, Graham and the lads are over at the Serapium.
Why don't we just head on over there?
Okay.
So we went over to the Serapium and they were filming in subpar.
Robert and I walked down one of the passageways, you know, the underground passageways.
And I'm looking around and this is my first my first experience seeing the Serapium, and I'm just like blown away.
Never knew it existed before, never heard of it.
Unexpected Serapium Inspection00:03:35
And so I had with me, I had what we call in the shop, a lot of machinists out there will recognize it.
It's a parallel, just a six-inch parallel that you use in machining vices for machining blocks.
It looks like a ruler with a T on the top of it?
No.
No, it's just a parallel.
Just a straight piece of steel.
Okay.
Very precise edges.
I mean, you know, to within about 210,000ths of an inch.
Oh, wow.
So it's fairly close.
Pretty straight.
Right, pretty straight.
And so I jumped down into one of the crypts.
They call them crypts.
But the interesting thing about these crypts is that they're about three, three and a half, four feet below.
The surface, the floor of the tunnel right, so right.
And then these boxes that weigh probably um 70 tons.
Uh, the box is about 13 feet long, seven and a half feet wide, about eight feet high.
Uh, it's recessed into a um a recess in the floor, So, you know, the floor was actually dug out and these boxes were dropped down into this crypt and then inserted into these recesses.
Very interesting.
So while there, I just went to the out, I was on the outside of it, and I put the parallel up against the surface of the granite and I was like, wow, you know, I've spent many, many years and hours checking parts, using gauges, working with granite surface plates in manufacturing.
Okay, and granite surface plates, they have their own specifications.
You have, you know, machinist grade, tool room grade, inspection grade, laboratory grade, generally.
You know you're looking at one ten thousandth of an inch precision for an inspection grade, surface plate, and generally those, those tolerances are given as per foot so you could accumulate a top, you know, a variation over a large surface plate.
It's more than that.
And so I'm looking at this and the feel of it is just like I'm back home right in the shop with and sliding it on, a granite surface right right, right.
And so I was like wow, That's unexpected.
That was very unexpected.
It blew me away.
Wow.
You don't normally find that, right?
Right.
I mean, you know, it's just like this is a totally out of place artifact.
I didn't know the ancient Egyptians were holding tolerances like this, even over a six inch area, very small area.
And so I thought, oh man.
Desire to Revisit Future Sites00:03:25
Well, Robert was an engineer.
I yelled, hey, Robert, come over here.
You've got to see this.
And the producer, his name was Roel Oostra.
He was with Netherlands TV.
He said, Oh, we're filming.
Shut up.
Get out.
Go away, boy.
Actually, I don't know where they were.
They weren't near me, but they heard me, obviously.
And so I was like, Okay.
So, anyway, that was interesting.
And I left there with the desire to revisit in the future.
Right.
And.
And it was just brief, like, you know, I may have been like five minutes looking at that and taking a quick check, you know, wiping off the granite and saying, well, that's impressive.
Then I went back to Egypt in 1999 and I wanted to go back into the Serapium.
Right, and there was a.
I was talking to a business guy at the hotel where I was staying.
I said, I need to get in the Serapium.
Is there any way you could get me in there?
And he says, Oh, I think I can do that.
I have some connections.
Meet me here tomorrow night, we'll make arrangements.
Okay, so following night, I'm there, you know, ready to go.
And no, it's impossible, it's dangerous, it's close to the public.
Well, what's the problem?
Oh, there's a a lot of water and the danger of falling rocks from the ceiling.
Oh really?
Where's the water coming from I wonder.
But I'd impress that.
So anyway, that year I was unable to go.
I had improved my data collection tools so that I didn't have a 12 inch, I mean a 6 inch parallel, I had a 12 inch straight edge.
It was ground flat to within 110,000ths of an inch.
Okay.
Right.
And I also had a tool maker's square that was ground, that was precise to within, it was calibrated to within 50 millionths.
So about half of that, right?
Wow.
Yeah, so fairly accurate.
Okay.
Fairly accurate gauge.
It'll do.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Got enough for horseshoes and darts, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So then the opportunity came in 2000, to go back in 2001, and that's when, you know, I went with Gail Fallon, who was the field director for Grizzly Adams, up to Zahee Hawass's office, and he gave us permission to.
Solid Piece Manufacturing Limits00:12:44
To go, he wrote us a note to give to the director of Saqqara.
We went and visited with him.
We had coffee, or tea rather.
And then we walked down to the Serapium and he let us in.
It was a very short visit because I didn't want to become too much of an interference with his day, right?
Well, let's put it that way.
He was there.
He was in attendance and he was observing.
Okay.
At the time.
Right.
And so I got into the one box that had the side had been blasted open.
And, you know, it was probably the only one that had a corner that was missing on it and you could crawl in there.
Could you put my feed up there?
Yeah.
It's amazing that he's just got, like, the keys to all these amazing ancient and he's the one who can let you in.
He's the only one with the key.
It's so interesting.
Right.
Oh, wow.
So, okay.
Is this one solid piece of granite?
Yes.
The box itself is crafted out of one solid piece of granite.
And the lid weighs about, probably weighs about 25, 28 tons.
It's huge.
And so with that square, I pressed it up against the underside of the lid and up against the inside wall.
Were there any gaps?
No.
There was like no gaps.
I mean, I'm not saying it was as precise as that instrument.
It was just a visual observation.
Right, right.
But anybody who has done any kind of.
Skilled or precision work who looks at that photograph will be astounded by what they're seeing, because what you're looking at are two surfaces that are parallel to each other and a flat lid that spans the two the width of the box right, right.
So what caused the corner to break off like that, I wonder?
I think it was they dynamited it or something like that.
But, you know, the things that are missing from the archaeological record is it's not just the means to do the cutting and hollowing out of the box, but also the means to inspect it and measure it to within that kind of level of precision.
Even though it may not be perfect, And it has may not be perfect throughout.
I do put a qualifier in my book that the entire surface needs to be scanned and analyzed completely.
Now, Ahmed Adli, who is an Egyptian engineer, went into the Serapium to check me out.
And he measured the one box.
He was using a digital or a laser distance measure and then a digital square.
I'm not a big fan of digital squares because of the electronics.
They tend to drift and you have to be able to calibrate them.
And generally, you would use a square like that to calibrate a digital square.
Do you have any wild ideas to what the purpose of these boxes were?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's in my book.
Let's hear it.
Wild, too wild.
I love wild.
The wilder, the better, Chris.
I'm not finished here yet.
Okay, let's keep going.
Let's keep going.
Okay, so I think overall my time spent in there was probably 10, 15 minutes, something like that.
What was Zahi saying when he saw you squaring that up like that?
Oh, he wasn't with me.
Oh, I thought you said he went there with you.
No, no, he stayed back at the Giza Plateau in his office.
Is everything okay, Stephen?
Oh, yeah, I'm just stretching.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So, anyway.
And look at that, too.
Above your hand on the left photo, the reflection of your hand.
Exactly.
That's wild.
Right.
So, this is an ancient artifact.
How would we recreate this?
Did you talk to any of these big granite manufacturers and ask them their thoughts on this thing?
Well, I contacted four granite, precision granite manufacturers.
And these companies make granite surface plates and other precise objects like V blocks, squares, angle plates, and things of that nature.
Okay.
Also, Machine beds for a variety of machine tools, optical beds, and stuff like that.
Granite is very stable as long as you maintain the correct temperature.
The only company that responded to my request was a company called True Stone.
True Stone?
Yeah.
They said that they didn't have the means to create one out of a solid piece.
Meaning they would use five separate pieces and bolt them?
Yeah, five separate pieces and bolt them together.
And you said the material cost would be, I mean, white, I think they said white granite would be like $175,000.
And then they would be, Department of Transportation costs would be extremely expensive.
$50,000?
Right, but the fact that they would not make it out of a solid piece, because if you go to start making these out of solid pieces, then the time for material removal increases and the difficulties, like even the corners, you're looking at a very, very small radius, it's about 5 30 seconds of an inch radius in the corners.
And so there's a lot of consideration when you're looking at a piece like that.
But the I started to actually, I think it was 2013 I was there.
And I started to explore other parts of the interior.
And I noticed that at the bottom the precision seemed to fall off a little bit.
On the floor of this thing?
Yeah, near the floor of it.
So there was a, it was obvious that, you know, the box was not 100% throughout precise within, I don't know, the tolerance of that gauge or close to it.
Right.
So even if you say, okay, given that the gauge is 50 millionths, let's say that, The accuracy of the surface is one two thousandths of an inch, which, you know, if it was, you would definitely see light coming through.
One two thousandths of an inch.
Oh, one or two thousandths of an inch.
That's like a human hair?
It's like a human hair, the thickness of a human hair, which is fairly close.
It's still extremely precise.
Yes.
And not what you would expect from a primitive culture or an underdeveloped industry or culture.
There's probably nothing in this room that's that precise.
Oh, no.
No, there isn't.
Not even a MacBook Pro or like a TV.
Do you think that TV is one one millionth of an inch or what was it?
One one thousandth of an inch square?
I don't know.
It could be.
Just tell me what this was for.
I'm not telling you that yet.
Okay.
Hold your horses.
I'm antsy.
So, anyway, here's the thing.
We talked earlier about the demands on a manufacturer when they are creating aircraft parts, for instance.
Right uh, there's no faking or fudging measurements.
You can't do it.
You don't do it.
You don't do it or people die.
Right, if you do it, people die.
Yeah, all right uh, if you do it, you will get fired.
Tremendous consequences.
Tremendous consequences cost a lot of money, a lot of money.
So basically, what they're saying is that I went into the serapium and I faked and fudged measurements, but because in other parts of the box they didn't find the same precision, Right?
The two really don't compute.
I'll tell you why.
Okay.
You go into any manufacturing plant, I could take you to the manufacturing plant that I worked at, and I could take you through the shop.
And I could show you parts, and you'd look at them and you wouldn't recognize what was precise and what was not.
Right?
But I could say, okay, I'll point to a part, a feature on the part, I'll say, this is very precise.
This area is not.
But it's to the customer requirements.
Right.
Right?
Of course.
It's kind of like if you look at a, for instance, you look at a camshaft in an engine, right?
You have the throws and you have the webs and the counterweights.
Counterweights are forged.
Right.
Most times they don't machine the forging for the throws, for the counterweights, but they will machine the throws where the pistons are mounted to.
Those have to be precise.
So that's an example of parts that have non-precise areas and very precise areas.
Yes.
Also, even on a finished part, you may have different requirements for different.
Different areas of the part.
You may have dimensions that have to be within two ten thousandths of an inch.
You may have dimensions that have to be within ten thousandths of an inch.
Right?
Does the fact that a ten thousandth of an inch variation from true form defines the whole part with respect to precision?
Right.
And do you ignore the two ten thousandths of an inch precision that has been machined into it?
Right.
And say that the part is no good?
Right.
Yeah, or like in an airplane, for example, all the little tiny parts inside of the turbine are probably extremely precise, but the joystick inside the cockpit probably is nowhere near.
Oh, well, that's comparing apples with, I don't know.
But it's all one thing, right?
Right, yeah.
It's a part of the air.
Sensitive Light Bulb Observations00:07:45
Yeah, I know.
I'm sorry.
That was a bad analogy.
I tried.
Yeah, but I'm talking about the same part.
Okay, we're looking at the same part.
You're talking about one piece.
We're talking about the same part.
All the features are integral and they're contingent with the same material.
Okay, I see.
I see, yeah.
Okay.
So here we go.
We haven't talked about what the purpose of these boxes is yet.
You know what the purpose is, or what my speculated purpose is.
It's in my book.
Yeah, but this is a podcast.
We need it from the horse's mouth.
Can you tell the audience what your speculated purpose is, or are you going to keep that a secret or make them buy the book?
If you want to make them buy the book, that's fair.
No, they don't have to buy the book.
I mean, they can go to the library.
Eventually, it'll end up in the library.
Okay.
Oh, they can download a pirated copy from Google, like most people.
So, you really don't want to say it?
It's not my theory.
Whose theory is it?
Eric Wilson.
Eric Wilson.
Yeah.
Is he the aerospace engineer?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He came up with a brilliant idea.
We were down in the tunnels in 2018 or 19.
18, no, 19.
And he came up with the idea that they were used for growing crystals.
The aerospace engineer thinks that the boxes were used to grow crystals.
Right.
How?
Good question.
So, you know, when you hear something like that and it doesn't quite settle right away, I can tell it's not settling with you.
Not at all.
Not at all.
You're alike.
But I guarantee you I'm a lot dumber than him.
Yeah, that's a pretty safe guarantee.
No offense.
Thanks.
So, yeah, and I thought that was an interesting idea.
And I kind of expanded on that in my book.
But the other interesting thing is related to manufacturing, right?
So you go through the tunnels and you'll find boxes in different stages of manufacturing.
Some are roughed in, like they may have been.
created like that in the quarry before they were shipped or they could have been loaded and worked on as they were in transit or something like that.
We don't know.
But there's one box that's stuck down one of the tunnels that has a rough interior.
But it's fairly regular in terms of its orthogonality, squareness.
I mean, even though the surfaces are definitely rough.
You can see that, you know, it probably may have maybe a half inch of material to remove to the final finish and dimensions.
We don't know.
It's just speculating.
This is evidence that those things would have been finished inside.
Yes.
And I make that observation in the Giza power plant, too.
Right.
Is that one of the things about granite is that it's.
It's affected by heat.
How so?
Oh, it'll move and change.
It's very sensitive to heat.
When they finish a granite surface plate, oh, actually, before they do, the manufacturer will rough machine a piece of granite and then they'll store it outside.
And they may finish it to within, well, maybe five, ten thousandths or A couple of thousand, I don't know.
But it'll sit outside and it may be out there for several seasons.
And, you know, it goes through hot season, cold season, hot season.
So, with every change in temperature, the granite changes.
And before they get an order for that size piece of granite, they'll bring it inside and let it normalize back to temperature.
And it assumes the same.
Precision that it was machined to before it was put outside in the yard.
Really?
Yeah.
So it has a kind of a memory.
So they bring it in and then they'll finish it, finish the machine, lap it, and basically make sure, you know, to whatever grade they're maintaining on it.
So it's granite is very sensitive to heat.
It's also sensitive to light, or at least we think it's sensitive to light.
John Barter, who was a precision granite manufacturing resurfacer and calibrator, he has a company in Ohio.
And I met him when I was working in Indianapolis, and we had a conversation about precision granite surface plates.
And he was telling me about one shop that he went into.
the piece of granite, the granite surface plate that they had had developed a crown in the middle of it.
Come to find out, the reason why it had that slight crown in the center is because they had a single light bulb over the top of it.
Right?
Wow.
Now, there's no information on how many watts that light bulb was.
You know, how much heat that there's no real scientific analysis of why that was, but okay, that was the conclusion that it was because of that light bulb.
The light, how do we know how close that light bulb was to the granite surface?
Nope, no, don't know.
Okay, but I just found that to be an interesting uh observation and point to make, yeah, and that.
Even with regular tool steel, when you are creating precision artifacts to within tenths, right?
Ten thousandths of an inch, two ten thousandths of an inch.
Joe Blocks and Temperature Control00:03:42
You're generally, temperature is your worst enemy, depending on the geometry of the piece that you are cutting.
So if you are working on a very large ring and you're grinding an inside diameter or outside diameter and you are working in a shop with the temperatures like 90 degrees or over 90 degrees and then it goes into an inspection department where they're maintaining 68 degrees Fahrenheit temperature, it will shrink.
Right?
Right.
And generally, you know, a lot of times they will, when you're grinding a block on a surface grinder, and you want to, you're measuring that block and comparing the dimension with a known gauge, like a Joe block, they call them Joe blocks, they're gauge blocks.
But these are a collection of of gauges that are like square pieces of metal of a specific thickness.
They're hardened steel and very precisely ground to a standard of measure that is traceable back to the National Bureau of Standards.
One of the techniques, tricks that you use when you're grinding something that you want to gauge it against one of those jaw blocks.
is you may put the gel block on the magnetic chuck on the surface plate as you are grinding the object that you want to measure against it.
So what you're doing then is you are actually putting that gel block in the same conditions of temperature as the object that you're grinding.
So they are the same temperature.
Right.
So if there's any changes in the Joe block, in terms of size, whether it's, you know, micron differences,
when they are sent to the inspection department, then in like a 68 degree temperature, both the Joe block and the piece of steel that you just ground will reduce back to the correct size.
So they can still be compared.
The same.
That makes sense?
Yeah, that makes sense.
Right.
Yeah.
And generally in a grinder, you would run a coolant on it.
So you're actually flooding the Joe block at the same time you're flooding the piece that you're grinding.
Right.
So, yeah.
Finishing the boxes on the ground rather than outside would be necessary if your intention is to create extreme precision and hope that that precision will remain and be put to use.
Right?
Nanotechnology and Rocket Sci-Fi00:04:47
So here's the other thing.
I was thinking previously that the boxes were finished underground, but they weren't installed in the crypts.
Now it seems that they installed them in the crypts before they finished them because you find unfinished boxes inside crypts and semi finish, right?
So you've got three stages of manufacturing you've got the rough finish, or forge finish, or you know, cast finish, quarried finish.
Then rough machining where material is removed to bring it closer to the final dimensions and then final finishes where the final accuracy is cut into it.
Where it becomes reflective.
Yeah.
So go ahead.
So that's one thing that having, finishing those boxes to that precision and then making sure that they stay precise.
And objective.
They seem to be accommodating by doing them in situ.
Right.
So, going back to the crystals, how would they have grown crystals inside of those boxes, does he speculate?
And for what purpose?
He didn't elaborate on that, but I did in my book.
But it's where you kind of have to stretch your imagination a little bit.
Okay.
I'm always open to stretching my imagination.
Right.
Do you ever read Engines of Creation?
No.
Oh, it's a great book.
I'll write it down and make a note.
Right.
No, seriously, it is very futuristic.
I love that.
We are not there yet.
Definitely not there yet.
It's a wild, out there, futuristic sci fi theory.
It is super, super sci fi, super wild.
And, you know, you think about going out on a limb and having it chopped behind you while you're out there.
This is one of those times when I'm feeling like I'm way out on a limb.
So, you think by talking about this out there theory that people will be able to use that to discredit you for your other work?
Oh, like I'm not already discredited.
Right, exactly.
I mean, yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, they'll, yeah, my enemies will love it.
They will, oh my God, it'll be like feeding them red meat.
So, were these crystals used for the solid state electron harvester pyramid?
Well, it's hard to say.
I would say that there are more futuristic and advanced applications for the process if you can develop it.
And that is the crystal growth of rocket engines, jet engines, advanced materials using nanotechnology.
The crystal growth of rocket engines, jet engines, and nanotechnology.
Using nanotechnology.
Using nanotechnology.
Drexler talks about what he calls them universal assemblers.
These are nanomachines, right?
That assemble products one atom at a time.
And so basically they are used to.
Using this technology in the future, you could grow a rocket engine that would have like 10% of the mass of a current rocket engine.
You could grow it.
Grow it.
Yeah.
Okay.
I have no fundamental baseline idea of where this is even coming from.
We're not even talking like quantum computers or anything here.
We're on a whole other branch.
Yeah.
Ultrasonic Machining Coordinates00:12:12
So when you look at the.
When you look at the boxes in Serapium and you look in on the inside of the boxes, you have the upper part of the box which is fairly flat, right?
On the side of the lid that's fairly flat.
You've got, you know, specific dimensions.
They may vary a little bit.
But essentially, you could look at that assembly, one of the boxes, with a lid on top.
As a Cartesian coordinate system.
A Cartesian coordinate system?
Yeah.
What is that?
Well, that's where you have a precise location to reference when you are in three-dimensional space.
Okay.
You got your X, your Y, and your Z. Right.
Right?
And so if you have.
If you know where you need to be in that three dimensional space and you can reference a precise surface in that three dimensional space, or three surfaces, then you can figure out where you are in three dimensional space.
Three surfaces?
Yeah, XYZ.
But you've got.
That means you would need six surfaces, though, right?
Yeah.
You've got five surfaces to work from, yeah.
Wouldn't you need top, bottom, left, right, front, back?
No, don't need bottom.
Why don't you need the bottom?
Top defines the Z.
It's science fiction-y.
You could take the book as being a futuristic science fiction look at the future.
Because one of the things that I do discuss in the book is the validation of the UAPs.
And the, you know, these craft that perform amazing miracles of flight, you know.
Yeah, what's more science fiction y than that?
Yeah, what's more science?
But that is real.
That's happening in our.
Exactly.
Right?
But 10 years ago, you'd be laughed out of a room for talking about that.
You would.
On a TV show.
Definitely.
I wouldn't talk about it.
I never talked about UFOs.
Right.
Ever.
But when you see that kind of performance in our airspace, not just in America, but other countries around the world, it's like, okay, something.
It is possible that civilization will develop to the point where.
We could match that performance.
Right?
And have craft that perform in a similar manner.
But we've got a lot of discovering to make, right?
We need to be able to control gravity.
We need to have an alternate system for propulsion.
You don't see afterburners kicking in on those jets, on those tic tacs, when they.
Shoot off at impossible speeds and turn on a dime, right?
But the interesting thing about that is, too, if you, the recent evidence that has come out points to the fact that dark programs within the U.S. government have been working on this since the 30s.
So if you take the fact that they've been keeping it secret, if they have been, since the 30s, Not keeping it in public light, keeping it dark.
If they were to look into something like the pyramids and the possibility of the Great Pyramid being a solid state electron harvester, wouldn't they keep that dark too?
I doubt they would keep that in the public.
They would not keep that research open source.
I mean, all those are unknown.
And, you know, I hear lots of speculation and conspiracy theories, and I just have to ignore them really because.
There's no answer to it right now.
It's just like the UFOs, you know, I mean, they were largely discounted and ignored.
So then the governments suddenly woke up to the fact that, hey, these things exist.
And then they have hearings on Capitol Hill about them.
And, you know, it's like, wow.
Times are changing.
You know, it's like there's a huge shift.
Right.
Right.
But the thing, like, to be able to get to where you've got, to get as far as you've got with your theory on the Giza power plant harvesting electrons from the igneous rock underneath the earth and being a massive free energy generator, you have to, you can't start at that.
You have to start in a science fiction y world first.
And then you start with a big granite block.
And you have to chisel away your statue to figure out and test it against different things to figure out the real life possibilities of it or the real life, the real practical implications of what that would be and the way that we would put that to use on Earth, right?
You can't just start with the answer.
So when you say that, yeah, right?
Like the same thing with the UFOs.
Well, you're absolutely right.
I mean, everything needs to, I mean, all the subsystems need to be built and checked out and perfected.
I mean, there is definitely strong indication and evidence on the Giza Plateau that when they designed and built the King's Chamber, they tested it out before it was installed in the Great Pyramid.
So the technology that they installed was tested outside of the Great Pyramid.
They have what they call these trial passages on the east of the Great Pyramid, and basically what they What they have is like the beginning of a grand gallery, right?
There's a descending passage and then a vertical shaft.
It goes to the bottom of a grand gallery that goes up and then it's like it comes out of the open.
And so when you look at those trial passages, the same dimensions that you find inside the Great Pyramid, they were measured by William Flinders Petrie and they're in his book.
Pyramids and temples of Giza.
So, you know, when you consider any kind of development on technology, you prove out each system and subsystem before you put them together.
So, there are some things that are fairly well known and simple, such as the creation of hydrogen, but the function of the Great Pyramid and the balance and tuning of all that granite.
To work harmoniously and in resonance with input vibrations.
That's something that you would want to test out and tweak.
Right.
Let's talk about the Petri Core.
You want to do that?
Yeah.
Now, you were the first.
You were even the worst to last.
You were one of the first people to get your hands on this Petri Core and measure out the grooves around the edge of it and run a string along it and determine that it was actually a spiral groove, not just horizontal grooves.
No, actually, William Flinders Petrie was the first.
Right.
Right.
Duh.
I thought it was called Chris Dunn's Core No. 7.
Yeah, no, it's not.
Petrie Core No. 7.
Yeah, I really caused a stir with that, didn't I?
So I was riding the Giza power plant, and like I said earlier, a friend of mine recommended that I submit an article to Analog Magazine, which I did, and it was published in 1984.
So that was called Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt.
And in that article, I referenced the Petrie core and relayed what Petrie wrote about it.
That it was a tapered core that came out of a hole, presumably, that exists in the Valley Temple.
And that it had a spiral groove.
The grooves were 100,000s distance apart.
And that he wound it, he checked like four turns of it and claimed that it was a true spiral.
And he also said that the groove was cut deeper in the quartz as it was the felspar.
Okay.
So when I was trying to figure out, you know, using my machinist tool making background, what kind of technology could create those kind of features.
Right.
I proposed that perhaps they had used ultrasonic machining because ultrasonic machining is not like a conventional type machining where conventional drilling of granite,
as I learned from an ultrasonic or a conventional granite manufacturer, Ron Granite in Ohio.
Conventional drilling holes, the penetration rate was like two ten thousandths of an inch per revolution of the drill.
Two ten thousandths of an inch per revolution.
If you look at one hundred thousandths per revolution, that's like 500 times greater than conventional drilling.
It's an impossible feed rate in granite.
And you can figure out the rate by the distance between the grooves?
Yes.
Okay.
Right.
And that's where the controversy began, is that I proposed a method that was totally unacceptable, ultrasonic drilling, which is where you use vibration to impact the granite and remove material, and then advanced the tool into the granite using a screw and nut method, as you can see there with the capstan at the top.
and you just put pressure on it, moving it into the granite.
Use a slurry which will actually do the cutting.
And then there is a taper on the bore and the outside of the tube drill and that taper, the tube drill will wear as it is penetrating the granite and that is reflected on the core and the hole as a taper.
Spiral Grooves and Latex Impressions00:06:57
So that was just my idea.
Just a simple idea.
It received limited attention after the article was published.
There was a couple of protests, one by L. Sprague de Camp, who objected to it.
He wrote a book called The Ancient Engineers.
And so he claimed that, you know, the working of stone by the Egyptians is well known.
Went through the whole list of, you know.
Copper tubes and bashing stones and stuff like that.
So I responded to his email and then that was pretty much it.
And then in 1995, I was invited to participate in a message board discussion on Deja News.
And there was a guy called Rodney Small who had read my article in 1984.
And evidently it had become a point of discussion on the Dejeuner's Alt Archaeology message board.
So I joined in.
And that was my first taste of message board discussions.
And so after, I don't know, maybe a thousand, thousand or so posts, it kind of petered out.
I don't think anybody changed their position on it.
This was what year, roughly?
1995, I think.
Ooh.
Yeah.
You've got mail.
You've got mail, right.
Yeah, the old key.
Yeah.
That was before that, probably.
No, it was actually 95 when I first got online.
Oh, was it really?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I was on AOL.
I'm still on AOL.
Are you really?
I know.
People look at me strange like that when I say that.
Yeah, I'm still.
Good for you.
Still have the same.
Still holding strong.
I don't know about strong.
Holding.
Okay.
All right.
So then.
After that, there was a book published.
It was by Chris Ogilvie Herald and a guy called Larson.
I forgot his first name.
I'll think of it.
So, anyway, they wrote a book called Geese of the Truth, and in that book they report on an examination of the core by two people, Reed and Brownlee, who go to the Peacher Museum, where the core is located, and they determined that it's not a spiral, that it's a horizontal group.
Okay.
Okay.
So I looked at that, I read that, and I was like, okay, interesting.
But it looks like the core is slightly tilted, and that would kind of throw you off when you're trying to visualize the core, the spirals, and it's, yeah.
So I was still on Petrie's side, but I was willing to be proven wrong, right?
But not just with that photograph.
So, knowing where the core was, I arranged to go to the Petrie Museum and inspect it myself.
And so I went to the Petrie Museum and I wrapped a thread around the core.
Oh, I righted the.
The core, but you can see it tilted on the left in the same way that the book shows it.
And then on the right, I squared it up to the frame.
Right.
Right.
And then in my book, I included this, which is a common pipe thread.
It shows you how just a slight tilt on a pipe thread you can turn a spiral into a horizontal very easily.
It doesn't take much movement.
Right.
Mm hmm.
Simple.
Very simple.
All right.
So there I am at the Peach Museum.
And there I am with my thread.
And I found, well, it's a spiral.
Okay, so.
You followed it the whole way.
Yeah, followed it the whole way.
So I reported on that.
And on my website and in message boards, I reported on it.
And then I had, you know, kind of, no, we don't believe you.
Your eyes could be.
Playing, playing tricks with you and, you know, probably confirmation bias comes into play.
Yeah you're, you know you are controlling.
You're more in control of where the uh yes, where the thread goes, than the, the groove, and i'm like well no, that's not the case, but okay, that's the way you feel.
Um so, and uh, there was another time that came up, and this was in uh 2000.
I think.
Yeah, 2003, and it was with a man who contacted me.
His name was Malcolm McClaw.
He's a geologist and he was retired from British Petroleum.
And so he contacted me and said, you know, there's been a lot of mysteries discussed.
And, you know, there's still two that I haven't quite got figured out.
And one of them is crop circles and the other one is the Petri Court number seven.
I was like, yes, I haven't figured the crop circles out either.
I'm sorry, you're on the pyramids.
You got your hands full.
Right.
And so he said, and I said, well, we could take a trip to the Peachy Museum if you like, and I would join you because I'm getting a lot of pushback on my observations.
It would be good to have somebody along to do a check themselves.
And he said, sure, that would be great.
So he made arrangements with the museum.
Because what I wanted to do at the same time, I wanted to have a latex impression made of the outside of the core.
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Right.
Right.
And you guys did this.
You guys both wrapped the core with the string.
You guys both found that it was a spiral groove.
Right.
Took video, took pictures.
Right.
So he said, well, you know, it would be good if maybe we could just take photographs.
From different angles, different angles around the core, and then just stitch everything together and see what we get.
Too primitive.
And I said, Well, okay, so this is what he sent me after he had stitched all his photographs together.
Yeah, that doesn't work.
And it's like, Okay, yeah, I don't think that that's not a valid inspection method for a mechanical.
I mean, I would think that it is, would be normal.
For a geologist to display a core out of the earth in this manner so that they could study it and compare the entire circumference.
Yeah, but like right here, you see, like this is copied again right here.
But I guess you have to do that to line up the grooves.
Yeah.
You have to copy it.
So it gets confusing.
It gets very confusing.
So if you recall, we talked about.
The use of cones inside jet engines.
One of the techniques that is used for creating cones, say you are creating a state or something like that, in the old days, or maybe even today, they would create a flat blank and apply geometry to it.
A manufacturing engineer would get a drawing and it would show the cone.
In assembly and as a detail and the, it would have a series of holes that were cut on the outside.
They may also those holes may be aerofoil shaped, or they may be round, and then the engineer would actually unwrap that cone to make a flat blank.
And so, by making the flat blank that they, in the process of unwrapping it, the geometry of the holes that penetrate it changed dimension.
Because as you're looking at it in 2D, right, you're looking at a geometric feature on a cone in 2D, it's wrapping around in three dimensional space, right?
XYZ.
Yes.
So when you unwrap it so it's flat, then it changes shape, changes diameter.
Yep.
Right.
So that is a common thing that was done.
Okay.
So if you look at a frustum of a cone, you've got a.
A 2D drawing of a frustum, you see horizontal lines straight across, right?
That's just a regular 2D drawing.
Now, when you wrap a cone and you look at the frustum as a 3D surface and your focus is on one of those lines, it will appear horizontal.
But the lines above and below will begin to curve as the angle of the cam, you know.
Exactly.
The direction of the camera.
So you'll have a radius at the top and a radius at the bottom.
Right.
Those things happen too.
Okay, so there you go.
After we inspected it, we went to see the director of the museum.
That's your mold right there?
A very nice fellow, Dr. Stephen Quirky.
And I asked him if it would be possible to have a latex impression made.
And so, yeah, I. Paid him the required amount to have it done, and he had it done and sent it to me.
So there it is.
The latex had split at the ends, so what I did is I actually created two reference holes.
Those squares were cut in it, and then I cut the line between them.
Okay.
Right.
So the objective was to lay it out flat and then inspect.
The lines to see if they were horizontal or spiral.
Okay.
So the horizontal groove would start at one place and end at the other place.
Right?
Start at the same place.
Yes, exactly.
Right?
So.
I see.
It's not ending at it, it's ending lower.
Yeah, I mean, it's flat, but it's ending where it started.
So it's a spiral.
If it's spiral, then it's not going to end at the same place.
Same location that it starts.
Right.
Right.
Makes sense.
So then I laid out the flat blank, I squared it up, and I started to see the general kind of sweep of the arc.
And.
Yep.
I mean, you could stare at that for an hour.
The right side of the line is higher than the left side of the line.
Exactly.
Right.
So it is a spiral.
So it is a spiral.
That means this thing was cored out of a piece of granite using one of these.
What are the machines called again?
It was a machine.
Yeah, it was some kind of technology.
Really, I don't think it was ultrasonics.
I backed off on that.
You backed off on it.
You don't think it was ultrasonics?
Right, because of some of the other features on the cone.
But it was a machine.
Well, it would have, yeah.
I mean, they were employing a technology.
It certainly wasn't done with a copper tube and quartz sand.
Right, absolutely not.
Because you won't get those penetration rates, right?
Now, what about the edges of the grooves?
You said you mentioned that they were very smooth.
Was that because they're not very sharp grooves?
Now, is that just weathering and like thousands of years of degradation?
You know, the thing is, is that it's really, really unusual.
The features on it are bizarre, really.
And yeah, and it's forgivable to be a little confused by what you're looking at.
So when you look at a like, 10 power close up of the grooves on the latex, you can see where there's all kinds of variations and stuff going on.
There are runs between the grooves that are almost vertical in places, some are at 45 degrees, you know.
I mean, it's kind of like this area right here, this one right here, this one right here.
That one here.
Yeah.
And so, you know, it's kind of like, yeah, it's a mess.
It's a mess.
And making sense of it is very difficult, right?
It's chaos.
It's chaos.
So, how do you sort it out?
Right.
I mean, you know.
And then, of course, the work that is sided for the true method that was supposedly used to create these is Dennis Stocks.
Who did some experiments and he wrote a report in his book and also some articles that he'd written that the horizontal striations were similar to the ancient ones on rose granite.
But he does not, anywhere in his book or articles, he does not talk about Petri Core number seven, nor does he display an image of Petri Core number seven.
Right.
Right?
He ignores it completely.
But he says they're horizontal.
And that's what people are relying on, is Dennis Stock's testimony.
Okay.
Right?
Because it fits their narrative.
The other thing was, I emailed Dennis and I asked him if he had a clearer picture of his core that I could have, because the one in his book is not very clear.
And I was wondering if he could send me a clearer picture.
He basically said, No, he's not going to send me it.
Oh, wow.
And, you know, just make your own.
So I did.
That was rude.
Yeah, that was.
No, I wouldn't say it.
Yeah, he was just.
Yeah.
I don't think he likes me.
I don't blame him.
So, going back to the smoothness of it, do you think there's any evidence that the stone was heated up and made soft and softer?
You see, that I think, as a preliminary matter, is the first thing that you think about when.
You look at a polished surface.
How did it become polished?
Was it through polishing?
Was it through.
It certainly wasn't through grinding with sand and copper.
Right.
Because that's the core that I made, and to the right of it is the core that Dennis Stocks made, and those surfaces are not polished, right?
Right.
So then the question becomes how did the Petri Core receive its polish?
Right.
And considering that you do have those weird runs from, you know, one of the grooves to the next, it seems like it's a really, I don't know, not precise, I would say, but really quick and dirty way to sink a hole in the granite.
And it may have involved a means of softening the stone, maybe even melting it locally.
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw this.
Really?
When Ben showed me these vases for the first time, I thought that they had been melted and thrown on a wheel.
Oh.
Because that's what it looks like, right?
It looks perfectly symmetrical.
It is perfectly symmetrical.
Well, I mean, it was on a wheel, for sure.
Maybe not melted, though.
I don't know.
Are we talking about this now, or are you got ADD or something?
No, no.
We're still on the court.
So we're talking about, okay, they could have been heated up or possibly melted at that spot.
Right, yeah.
Okay.
And there's the hole, upper right.
That's the hole in the Valley Temple that they speculate it came from.
There's no way to know for sure whether that's the one.
But that's the hole that I made and the core that came out of it on the bottom.
Hmm.
Wow.
Okay.
So then there was an article published by a Russian research group, and they had done kind of like a debunking article on my work and Petrie's work.
And they had essentially photographed the core.
At various places around it and then stitched it together and came up with a surface and grooves that look like that.
Okay.
So this was performed by a professional geologist and mineralogist, P. Selevanov.
The article is you can actually Google seventh of Petrie rather than copying that earl into your search bar.
Yeah.
But you'll be able to read the whole thing.
Okay.
So there's the thing it's like, okay, I totally get why a geologist would want to examine a piece like that.
This was featured on a video by a YouTube channel called Scientists Against Myth.
Okay.
Right?
And so, anyway, the interesting thing is now, up to now, we had my first examination, which is a spiral.
And then Malcolm McClaw, who checked it with a thread and found it was a spiral.
And then Eric Wilson visited the museum.
He's the crystal guy.
He's the crystal guy.
He's the aerospace engineer.
What is he?
Does he work for a big aerospace company?
Yes, a very big one.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Which one?
Can you say or no?
Would that ruin his job?
Would he get fired?
Eric, you're talking about crystals.
You're fired.
Sorry.
Well, let's say the headquarters are in England.
And he was visiting, so he went to the Peachy Museum while he was there.
Oh, okay.
Wow.
We have a video of the.
Oh, you've got the video right here.
Oh, let's transfer it to Stephen's computer so we can play this video.
I had the opportunity to go to London, and I had some time.
And I wanted to go to the British Museum there, and the Petrie Museum.
And I learned from you actually that you can't get into the Petrie Museum to see the good stuff, the Petrie Core and specific artifacts, unless you fill out a request form.
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But you also have to be credentialed, too, right?
You have to have a reason.
You can't just walk in off the street and request pieces from the archive.
Right.
You have to have credentials.
Yeah, you have to be.
You can be a historian or you can be an engineer.
Knowing the controversy that has surrounded the Petri Corps.
It's like an interrogation video.
You designed an experiment when you got there to determine whether the Petri Corps was a horizontal groove or whether it was spiral.
First, it requires more than just your eye.
You need to have some optics.
Some high powered readers seem to work the best.
I actually had a jeweler's set with lights, you know, that you could really get down into the material structure.
And then we took a thread and rotated and wrapped.
Around the groove, and it was definitely a spiral.
It wasn't just me, it was my colleague.
I'll mention his name, Josh Gere, also an aerospace engineer.
We both witnessed and wrapped that groove.
You consider that to be a legitimate way, methodology for determining whether it's a spiral or a.
We rotated.
What's my picture got?
It's probably got 20 wraps.
Yeah, I mean, there's 20 observations every time you come around.
Okay, so Eric basically confirms that it is a spiral after a dozen wraps, they were not crossing.
So, showing the picture, yes, that's uh, Eric Wilson's putting me to sleep, but yeah, no, I mean, it's he's an engineer, yeah, he's an engineer.
What you gotta have respect.
Well, it's clear.
I mean, I don't think, I couldn't imagine anyone could come up with any sort of real argument against this.
You know, all the stuff that you guys have done to prove it, that you guys have, no one's disproven it, right?
Well, you've got two aerospace engineers, you've got a manufacturing engineer, and you've got a geologist.
Yeah, let's show the vase that.
So your son was a big part of making this vase, right?
The vase belongs to a gentleman from New York.
his name is Adam Young.
And he and Alex met in Egypt and became good friends.
Adam was talking about the collection that he had, and he had several of these, what he called pre-dynastic vases.
Right.
All right, Alex.
They set up a time to meet in Indianapolis at a company that Alex was working at at that time.
They were a defense contractor.
And he brought his vases and did some mechanical inspection on them, on the surface plate with a rotary table and indicators to check roundness and flatness and stuff like that.
So I was in attendance at the time.
And, you know, it was like, yeah, this is interesting.
It kind of looks like an Egyptian vase.
But because it was bought on the antiquities market.
There was always in the back of my mind, there was a question of provenance that might be an issue with it.
But anyway, Alex was passionate about it.
He suggested that they have it scanned, you know, with structured white light scanning, which they did at a company called Capture 3D.
And for people that don't want that, are curious about seeing those images, we did that with Ben.
He showed all the slides and all the measurements and everything.
You're all up to date then.
Yeah.
Yeah, so essentially that was the path that that took.
And then they went on Ben's program and the STL was made available to a lot of really interested engineers around the world.
That's cool.
They open sourced it.
And then there was this one guy in Spain, he's from Denmark, I think, named Mark Visted.
He did a mathematical analysis and then wrote a paper about it, which was unbelievable.
So, there are many interesting features about that base, and I'm sure Ben covered it in great detail.
These had to have been made on a computer.
Well, that was the conclusion.
I've always been a little more reserved than that, but I'm not looking at it.
You reserved?
The guy who says the pyramid was a solid state electron harvester?
That's a pretty conservative estimate.
Could be even more.
Is that more conservative?
What's more conservative?
That?
Or the fact that this was made on a computer?
That is the question.
I guess I win.
I mean, it all just doesn't fit with the current narrative.
Right.
Well, hopefully, stuff like this will blow that out of the water.
Well, you know, the thing with this is that, okay, admit it, provenance is a huge issue with this.
And it left Egypt and.
It sat in a collection.
Some, you know, oligarch somewhere may have had it in a collection.
And, you know, he died and his heirs sold it to an antiquities dealer.
And then, you know, Adam bought it.
So provenance is an issue.
The thing about it, though, is that there is one particular feature that I found I connected with.
It was like it is.
Like an ellipsoid.
the body of it matches an ellipsoid.
And if you read my book, Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, I look at the statuary in Egypt and the use of ellipsoids on many of them, particularly the crowns.
And so that was a huge thing for me.
But the precision is kind of beyond belief considering it's like, you know, cutting granite.
And I'm reading comments on Ben's channel and, you know, machine, I'm a 25 year machinist.
We couldn't do that today and blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, well, we need to find somebody who is able, who thinks they can do it and have them give us a quote.
So I think that is still an option that we're examining.
But ultimately, the real objective is to say, okay, Egyptian engineers.
There are some of these in your museums in Cairo.
So we encourage you to take the same steps we did and do a metrology examination of them.
Yep.
On artifacts that have known provenance.
And then all the naysayers and debunkers can go to bed.
Yep.
Well, Chris, thank you.
I really appreciate you coming through and spending six and a half hours here with me and talking about all this stuff and your decades of research.
It's truly an honor.
Where can people find your books?
Are they on Amazon?
Yeah, Amazon.
All the online bookstores and brick and mortar bookstores.