Jake Fox and the host dissect cryptic messaging in music by the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, and Nirvana, linking JFK's assassination to potential distraction tactics and speculating Bob Dylan faked his death. They explore theories that the moon landing and 9/11 were orchestrated to install televisions for media control, connecting the World Trade Center's construction to MKUltra, LSD usage, and reverse speech in songs like "Bloom." Ultimately, the discussion suggests a pervasive narrative of government manipulation through fear, hidden messages, and simulated realities designed to manufacture consent. [Automatically generated summary]
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Egyptian Art and Prescribed Meds00:03:45
Hello, world.
Today's guest is Jake Fox.
Jake is a friend of mine who is an artist and a musician.
He is also an encyclopedia on conspiracy theories, and he's a music historian who we had a blast talking to and hanging out with.
On this episode, Jake talks about the cryptic hidden messaging in music from bands like the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Nirvana, and Bob Dylan.
We also talked about time traveling nukes, JFK, and Backwards Matter, if any of that fluffs your curiosity.
Towards the end of the show, Jake performs some of his new music from his band Catatonic Scripts.
Please enjoy this action packed episode before YouTube takes it down.
Is that an Egyptian pharaoh tattoo on your arm?
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that.
Why shouldn't you have done it?
I don't know, man.
I never thought about if I ever go abroad and somebody is like, why do you have that?
Well, what would your answer be?
You're a white man from America.
Is that what you're worried about?
I don't know.
Sometimes, yeah.
Really?
I shouldn't worry about that kind of stuff.
Yeah, that's crazy that you worry about that.
I don't really worry about it.
I'm never going to India now.
Well, I have Ganesh here.
What is that?
My idea is I like studying world religions.
Mary back here and then Thoth was like the scribe of the Egyptian a little bit closer talk about talk a book closer to it So Thoth was like a scribe He kind of invented language in one way or another and they attribute him to Hermes from the Greek period.
Yeah, and I think Mercury.
I don't know.
I'm zoning out now, but yeah, do you like Egyptian history Egyptian?
Well, I kind of been using like I don't know just the idea of symbols Yeah, they use a lot of all all Humans of every civilization starts off with like symbols.
So it's almost like where we got emojis going as hard as they do Now, you know what I mean?
They are kind of like that's like the modern day Yeah, yeah, hieroglyphic symbolism and stuff and I went to art school and study art and all that kind of stuff.
So you have an arts degree Not quite yet probably like this close and don't even realize has that ever happened your art's pretty sick though Yeah, I'm too busy making more art to get like to finish school.
Plus money.
Like, yeah, money is fun.
How much time do you spend creating art and music and shit?
Oh, all day, every day.
Well, even when I'm working, don't tell my job.
You won't tell them.
No one listens to that.
They won't listen to this shit.
Yeah, man.
I'm always constantly running through ideas.
I have like multiple notebooks in my car.
So I'll like stop the car and write something down or wait until I get a red light Sometimes I miss whatever I have in my head what explain your sunglasses to people who don't know what that is.
Oh, okay.
So this is what is catatonic scripts?
Yeah, this is my band So now I have catatonic vision What does that mean?
What is the meaning of catatonic scripts?
I don't know when you're young and they try to put you on all those psych meds and stuff and you start reading like the stuff that's on the back of those psych meds and you're like Whoa, this can cause me to go catatonic.
So it's a catatonic prescription.
Yeah.
They're trying to help my health.
Did you have any kind of side effects?
Catatonia.
Catatonia is the disease.
Catatonic Scripts on Highway 66600:02:40
Okay.
Did you have early experience with being prescribed medications when you were a kid?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It all started when I dated a girl that's mom was a psychiatrist for a church.
Which really we know who she is kind of just instigated Really that realm of thinking to my family Miller was completely Miller's mom Well, that's yeah, and just the medical industry completely is I don't know Yeah, I study a lot of weird stuff.
What were you prescribed?
What medications were you prescribed?
This is almost Probably 15 years ago.
Yeah, I really I don't know at one point in time I was upset about a lot of things that went down and I said something that I thought I regretted So I took myself to a hospital.
I had no intention of like harming myself or anyone else, but they try to immediately assume that kind of stuff.
You know what I mean?
Like the medical industry, even if you call the VA hospital, which I have to because I work for a pizza shop and deliver there all the time, when I'm calling their phone number to call the extension, they're there to remind you, like, if you're feeling suicidal, hang up and call 911.
And I'm like, well, I wasn't.
So you said something about it.
Yeah, and it's even more scary because the VA is on highway 666.
So not only am I terrified of bringing symbols that some people might think I don't understand on my arms I'm scared of that highway 666 you're scared of it isn't that ironic accidents on it though It is so ironic the VA is on highway 666 I never really thought of that.
I love highway 666 all over the country though.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah, we have a song for my other band So this is the band I'm currently focusing on right now catatonic scripts, but then I had another side project with a homie named Jet Chad, what up?
Called No Room to Talk.
Hey, bump his levels up just a scotch because he's kind of quiet.
I don't want to have to fuck with it in post.
All right, go ahead.
He's two, yeah.
Yeah, so I have another project called No Room to Talk, and I was really trying to aim for older garage punk rock sounds like misfits, but almost like mixing elements of surf rock.
Not really sounding like surf rock, but like pulling those tones.
And like playing them differently.
So we have a song called The Highway 666 like uh, have you heard up?
Nuclear Bombs, ADHD, and Reels00:09:14
I'm sure you have bad brains.
Yeah, like that, that kind of surf rock that you see in like old lost movies.
Yeah yeah yeah, because we actually recorded that on a reel-to-reel system with a recording company local in St Pete uh-huh well, I think their studio is in Tampa now, but they're called Yokofono.
Cool, what kind of what kind of uh?
So it gives you more of that uh, analog tone.
Just, it feels like you're etching into the tape when you're recording, whereas digitally it feels different to me.
What do you mean etching?
What does that mean?
I don't know.
It's like the only way I can explain reel to reel to digital recording is like when you listen to it later, it sounds like it was carved into stone.
You know what I mean?
Like there's an actual substance that's.
It's.
It feels more analog right, kind of like when they kind of carve it into vinyl records and stuff right yeah yeah, there's something I don't even know.
It's almost like a movie that puts you in a place, Right.
That you can't explain until somebody else like sees it for themselves.
Like Fight Club or The Matrix.
You know what I mean?
And kids nowadays aren't even interested in those thought-provoking films.
It's all like short attention span.
Just dumped down.
Yeah.
Kids are all, they're too busy being hopped up on Adderall and ADHD meds.
Yeah, dude.
And my friend is like struggling with getting his life together.
A lot of it has to do with just all kinds of different things going on in his life.
But he's like debating whether he has ADHD or autism.
And I'm looking at the symptoms that they like associate with that.
All the symptoms are natural, normal human.
Basically anything now, right?
Yeah.
Anybody could fall into the spectrum, as they say.
And the medication they're giving him is pretty much methamphetamine, right?
Yeah.
Isn't that what Adderall really is?
Yeah, basically.
Oh, yeah.
And man, the meth addiction that I've been hearing about and stuff in different cities, not around here, but like.
Have you been paying attention to the Olympics at all?
A little bit.
There's that girl who's the gold medalist, the Simone.
I've heard her last name.
Simone Biles.
Simone Biles.
She just quit, and everyone's like shitting on her online.
Everyone's hating on her super hard.
Well, she says it's a mental health disorder, but what happened was there's actually a story that snuck through on the Insider, I think it was.
I forget the name of the article, but you can probably find it, Austin.
But she had a prescription to an ADHD medication.
Yeah, there it is.
She had a prescription to Ritalin or Adderall, and she's been on it for who knows how long?
Probably at least six years.
And for Tokyo, they banned any kind of ADHD medicine, so she wasn't allowed to take it.
So apparently right before the Tokyo Olympics, she had to get off it completely.
So when was ADHD really starting to be used as a popular diagnosis?
Or when was it really coined as even a phrase or a term?
Because I started looking at terms like schizophrenia just to see where did this come from?
Where was its origin?
And that one turned out being this guy that happened to be a Freemason from 1901.
And I was like, red flag, red flag.
Really?
Yeah.
He coined the term schizophrenia?
Yeah, basically he was the first doctor to start using that diagnosis.
That's fucking weird, huh?
Yeah.
It's always the Freemasons.
Well, yeah.
In 19, the beginning of the century, the 1900s was kind of insane if you really like reanalyze it.
I started looking at a lot of occult images and videos and just, well, even Hollywood itself.
Like the term Hollywood is literally referring to like what witches at the time used to make their wands.
Out of Hollywood.
Hollywood?
Holly.
Maybe they just.
I thought it might have been Hollywood.
Maybe they just renamed it Hollywood.
I don't think witches did holy shit.
Well, they do, but it could be.
It is.
It is.
It could be an association.
The devil at one point was.
The devil was created by God and he was an angel.
Allegedly.
Then he got sent to hell.
It's in the Bible.
It's in the Bible.
It's written in stone.
Actually, I'm not sure if that is written in stone, but.
But yeah, so anyways, imagine being this girl who.
you know, you've been on this ADHD speed methamphetamine medication for the last five years.
And all of a sudden, all these meds too.
And all of a sudden, they take it away from you.
And then you have to fucking figure out life without it.
Like you got to, if you're that hooked on something and then get taken away.
The best way to fix problems is to make bigger problems.
Yeah.
Maybe it could have been just like she was so good.
They had to figure out a way to like take away everything that she has.
Well, no, I guess basically they were using meth.
Find a way to find someone else to win, you know what I mean?
It was like a military.
Well, I'm sure it dials her in, right?
I mean, that's what that drug kind of does.
I mean, it fucking super dials you up, yeah.
Wasn't it also what they were like, march from country to country all zipped up?
Oh, god, that's insane.
It was also that they ran out of Adderall in France, that's why the flag fell down.
I'm just joking.
I was gonna go with that.
Isn't that also what they gave the Japanese, uh, during the uh Pearl Harbor?
The Japanese fucking pilots are like, yeeee, flying their planes into the ships and shit.
I'm sure they were on methamphetamine.
Well, I'm sure they were.
But at the same time, I also found out that like we were always taught to believe that those Japanese like flew straight over, like knowing they'd run out of gas and just eventually crash and murder or kill or whatever, right?
But like I found out they actually took over like a base that wasn't far from Hawaii first.
So they probably had a lot more opportunity to fuel up and stuff.
So like the narrative I grew up learning turned out to be slightly different.
Sure.
Because yeah, the Johnson Atoll was like a man-made barge that they put in the middle of the ocean.
So there's like no way that Pearl Harbor wasn't like warned by their barge.
Yeah.
Yeah, some say.
Yeah, what is the narrative that they knew about, our government knew about that and it could have been avoided, right?
I think some people knew about that.
I personally believe that our government made like a trade-off.
With the Japanese government.
The elites of our government.
We're working with the elites of their government.
Because it's all a money game, man.
Everything is about money.
By them attacking Pearl Harbor, what did that do?
We got to test out nuclear weapons.
Yay.
Like, hooray.
Yeah.
It's a great excuse.
Convenient excuse, right?
Yeah.
And you know what the first nuclear bomb testing was, or where it was done?
Arizona, right?
It was a McDonald's Farm Ranch.
Like a McDonald's family for the restaurant I'm not 100% sure it was a McDonald's family, but I can only assume It would make sense who else would it be?
What about one of the Koch brothers?
It could have been one of their farms Yeah, yeah, either way.
It's like wait one of these fortune 500 companies Was involved in nuclear weapons and then I just start looking at that McDonald's and we were talking about symbolism earlier and stuff, right?
Yeah, the McDonald's logo almost looks like a bomb with the trajectory.
Can you find out where the first nuclear bomb test was in the U.s.
Or a Mcdonald's logo conspiracy?
Hmm, either one will work.
I already i'm gonna make like a song eventually where it's like the giant arches, but it's really an exploit.
I think i've already got it in a sketchbook somewhere.
It's just not like done properly.
The world's first nuclear explosion occurred in New Mexico, south of New Mexico.
Who owned it?
Did Ronald Mcdonald own it?
Oh yeah, it was called The Trinity Site.
Ronald Mcdonald, the Trinity Site.
Hmm, is that what it's called, bro?
I saw a video on Instagram the other day like Kelly Slater reposted and it was a an underwater nuclear bomb test Where they showed a nuclear bomb going off underwater and it was fucking insane the water went like miles into the air That's crazy must have killed so many fish They exploded a microwave out back Your friends did when did they do this?
They've done it a couple times, but this was the last time.
I'm pretty sure Steve's not working there anymore because he got a different job And then I guess the police got involved the last time.
Where?
Somebody at the bus stop was worried about shrapnel.
And because everybody went into denial mode, it got.
How would they go about blowing up a microwave out back?
Well, it was just a broken microwave.
And they had like.
Just stick some tin foil in it?
Some metal in it?
No, it wasn't functioning.
It wasn't plugged in.
It was just like something to put a quarter stick of dynamite in.
Yeah.
Really?
I put dynamite in there?
Allegedly.
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I'm already terrified of like.
Anything your parents are schizophrenic no no well, I don't know they could probably diagnose me that if they wanted to yeah What do you diagnose yourself with that's the most important thing Happy I'm just joking.
I'm miserable.
You're miserable No, no I don't know.
I'm doing all right right now figuring some stuff out Everybody's confused this day and age with are we going on lockdown again now?
Yeah, I think we are going on lockdown Where Florida, I think, took the prize again for a number one.
I don't know what this ad is.
Every other member of the state.
Yeah, I mean, everybody's here.
What do you think about the COVID 19?
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What was that movie called?
Contagion.
QAnon Theories and Trump Groups00:16:05
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Of course, I haven't had television in my home for like 10 years.
That's probably good.
And I'm staying with my father temporarily, and I was like flipping through channels, and the only thing that there is to watch is like all this terrifying, horrifying news or Contagion.
Contagion.
That was the only thing on the other night in South Park, which is really accurate.
Which is the best.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's, I don't know.
I think there's a lot of stuff going on.
There can be a lot of misguidance and a lot of, our society likes to follow a platform.
And I think we have to be able to move within and without the platform.
Or like, yeah, our society just has like a process they like to run with.
And I feel like they're eliminating any other possibilities.
Like even that.
That condominium in Miami.
How crazy is that shit?
What happened?
Yeah.
And nobody's worried about like, was there slumlords like running the place?
You know what I mean?
Like, why isn't that a topic at all that I've noticed?
Yeah, it got blown over pretty quick, it seems like.
Well, it was more about recovering the bodies and identifying them.
Not about the problem.
Yeah, no.
So, well, they did.
I think they did.
I saw something that they were going to try to like change some sort of rules when it comes to the like, Maintaining the infrastructure of hotels and like high rises along the ocean, along the coastline.
But at the same time, I think the mandate or the rules are that they have to have some sort of like structural inspection.
I think it's like every 20 years, maybe.
40 years.
Yeah, it's every 40 years.
They have to have some sort of like, some sort of what's the word?
A structural inspection.
A structural inspection.
Just like your elevator has to be inspected every three years or whatever.
So I think they did something about that.
I'm not 100% sure, but.
There's got to be so many more buildings that are like that that are structurally compromised, especially next to the ocean.
When it fell down, like watching it, it didn't look like.
It looked like Building Seven.
It kind of looked like.
I don't know.
It all fell down at once.
It didn't make sense as far as my brain.
It's about things falling apart.
What are the other potential possibilities of why it collapsed?
Like a controlled demolition of some sort.
What was in there?
What were they hiding in there?
What did they get rid of?
Why would they do a controlled demolition?
Actually, a friend of my work told me that I should look into this, but I never got around to it.
And it is a lot of speculation, but who's this guy?
Oh, just a co-worker.
He doesn't co-work with me anymore.
Okay.
He got fired?
No, he actually moved on.
For stealing money out of the register?
Yeah, yeah.
No.
Yeah, he brought it up to my attention.
He was like, oh, there was some idea that a lot of the people that were living in the buildings were related to people that knew information about certain things.
They were QAnon?
Oh, yep.
It was a QAnon convention center there.
Yeah.
I forget what I heard, too, but I heard something like there was certain people in there of interest or yeah, some family members.
Some documentation or stuff that they wouldn't want other people to know.
That seems a little crazy that they would demolish a whole building full of people.
Yeah, what the condition of the building.
Well, there could be a different reason, too, I guess.
There could be money.
But does everything have to be a conspiracy?
Does every fucking weird thing that happens have to be a government conspiracy?
I think there's a problem when everyone thinks that.
Oh, yeah, they said John McAfee owns something.
Oh, I remember.
We talked about this.
Yeah, yeah.
There was a QAnon conspiracy theory that, where Qanon believed that John Mcafe owned the condo and he had a bunch of files.
He had a bunch of dirt on people that was he was storing there or something and that's why they demolished it.
Oh so this debunks it.
He says he didn't own it.
What does that say?
Claim the late John Mcafe, the creator of Mcafe antivirus software, owned a unit in the condo building that partially collapsed on thursday.
That okay, that was the claim that he owned a unit in 31 terabytes of files.
So what is the conclusion?
What does it say?
The facts keep going.
It was a fake tweet.
There was a fake tweet.
Someone said he owned a unit there.
That's the problem with the internet.
That's convenient.
That's the problem with the internet.
There's always some assholes on there who's going to try to make some fucking bogus claim that all the QAnon people will just grab onto and ride into the sunset.
Well, how do you know these people are telling the truth?
That's the problem.
You don't.
That's the problem.
What's this QAnon thing?
I don't really know much about it.
You don't know what QAnon is?
No.
It's this group of, it's basically a group.
Group of super hardcore right wing Trump supporters.
I think mostly.
Well, there's a problem right there.
Like, why are we associating conspiracy theories to those people?
Because it's true.
If you ask them all, they were all QAnon people.
I think this is pretty well known.
They're all Trump supporters.
There's no left wing QAnon people.
They all believe that there is a deep state human trafficking ring that's tied, I guess, to the Clintons and Epstein, where it's like.
Like human child trafficking, and they believe that Donald Trump is like God's chosen Messiah to save, to basically expose the human trafficking ring from the corrupt deep state.
That's what they, if you even look up what their beliefs are.
Yeah, running a.
They will be satanic, cannibalistic pedophiles.
Yeah, what if it's all true except for the part about Donald Trump being like.
The profit of it.
Well, here's the thing.
Here's the problem with it, okay?
If Donald Trump was some guy who was going to expose and save the world from cannibal child pedophiles, wouldn't he have bragged about it by now?
I mean, he literally toots his own horn about everything he does.
He's just involved in it.
Well, I mean, who knows?
Who knows if this shit even exists?
But the fact that you think Donald Trump's going to be the one that, like, the superhero that saves everybody from it is kind of crazy.
Yeah, definitely not.
But I don't know.
It just seems like the QAnon group, they're more like, angry people who the world is kind of shut out.
They live in their mom's basement.
They have really no other happiness in their lives.
There's no shining light.
And they just use the internet to so they're basically being psychologically abused by a source that funds queuing on.
Possibly.
Have you heard of it?
Yeah, a lot of people that storm the Capitol were queuing on people.
It's like a double switch.
Yeah, what if they're all hired guns?
Possible there.
You see that video when they storm the capitol.
There's actual video of police letting people through the gates.
Oh yeah, i'm starting to realize, like the beetles I think they were hot or their fans were like hired guns at the beginning to like stir up the mania.
You know what I mean if I pay 200 girls to scream their heads off yeah, in an auditorium, why not, and film it and then tell the rest of the world with media yeah, that this is the best thing that there's ever has been.
Yeah, that's interesting.
That's all it takes, right?
Yeah, where did you hear this?
I've never heard that before.
I found out that the beetles were actually introduced On CBS exactly two hours before JFK was assassinated.
What?
Yeah, so the theory is that JFK was assassinated and they were using this band to drive the young youth of America stir crazy.
And then when the Beatles kind of started to figure it out and they weren't going to play ball quite as well as they were.
And that's when they started putting like codes in their lyrics and stuff.
To distract people from well, at that point, they were trying to whistleblow through symbolism and other methods.
Whistleblow to who, though?
An audience, you know what I mean?
If I write a song, but I want to tell you something, but I don't want to directly tell you, I can just lead you into it.
What sort of messages were they trying to convey through their music?
Well, at the beginning, they had a song called Tax Man.
And it was basically like they took the Batman theme song because it was popular on TV at the time.
And they made it Taxman.
And yeah, can we put that song on?
Taxman?
We'll probably get copyrighted.
Oh, yeah.
Or even just pull up the lyrics, maybe.
Lyrics of Taxman?
Yeah.
Beatles bumped.
Fab Four were supposed to be on CBS News the night of the JFK assassination.
They were in the morning.
Wow.
50 years ago, Friday.
See, within three months after the assassination.
All the British invasion was going down.
Wow.
So do you think the Beatles being put on CBS was to distract people from the JFK shit?
Well, I think that's why the mania was created.
You know what I mean?
Just to spice it up a little more.
Yeah, who's the most popular artist right now?
Eminem still.
Right now?
Yeah, yeah.
Who's.
Who's the bee's knees these days?
That's a good question.
I guess it depends what fucking is it?
Taylor Swift still?
I don't know.
Kanye.
Kanye.
Wallapalooza had Foo Fighters and Miley Cyrus headlining.
Really?
Yeah.
Miley was popping.
Miley's still popping.
Huh.
Well, that's crazy, bro.
Damn, that's crazy.
Damn.
It is fucking hot as shit.
Well, okay.
So, like, a lot of Bob Dylan was, like, singing songs and messages to get everybody stirred up, sort of.
And there's a theory that Bob Dylan was, well, yeah, there was a conspiracy theory about Bob Dylan that kind of went under overpassed, overlooked.
What was that conspiracy?
That he died in 1966 in a motorcycle accident outside of Woodstock.
So i've kind of developed my own little theory that maybe Woodstock was actually like a celebration that the public had recognized Paul, or that uh, Bob Dylan was killed in this motorcycle accident and that's why they had the concert there and the flowers didn't really represent like what everybody thinks.
It is like hippie love, like maybe it was a funeral for Bob Dylan, yeah, but how far, how?
What he was, it was after he died, after he went into a huge hiatus.
Uh-huh from I was looking this up the other day, it was uh, I sound like an idiot right now, but I don't even know if Bob Dylan's still alive.
He is.
That's what's creepy.
Is all these artists that are like possibly killed and replaced.
Yeah, dude.
They do say that's weird like if you watch the first performance of Bob Dylan after his accident Which didn't come out until like 1971 or something so he went into hiding from like 1966 to 1971 And I really think that that's why Jimi Hendrix covered all along the watchtower.
Yeah, he thought dude died and he shredded it.
Oh, yeah Wow.
So, like, what if that's the case?
What if that's why they had to get rid of Jimmy?
Because nobody could fake being Jimmy.
No.
Bob Dylan was kind of the end of that little era at that point.
So, him going on a hiatus and coming back with record label money, you could easily, like, disguise somebody in there.
I'm going to start a new band called The Lookalikes.
We're just going to, like, look like other people.
What kind of people?
I don't even know.
We'll switch it up every the blue man group.
How many bands do you have?
None that matter.
How many, though?
I don't know.
We were going to do this thing where we can come up with a new band every hour.
That's a lot of billions.
Was it going to be the same members?
Just I don't know.
Yeah, we could always put a different name on it no matter what.
Yeah, what's the problem with changing your band?
What is it?
The problem is it's hard to market it if you have a different name every day.
Yeah, we're not worried about marketing, they're not on that level.
It probably should be.
Well, at least you're having fun.
Maybe one day.
Yeah, it's about just doing your thing, right?
Do whatever you want.
Do you guys make any money with Catatonic Scripts?
You guys get paid to do shows?
Oh, yeah, we make money at shows.
Not like an outstanding amount or anything, but that's probably on our own marketing fault.
Yeah.
It sounds like you need a manager.
Music is just in a weird place, too.
We need money to have a manager.
True.
So if there's a manager out there that wants to work for pro bono, holler at us.
We'll find them.
They're out there somewhere.
I'm sure there is.
No, we're actually working on a new album.
We have a new lineup.
I've been working on these songs for a really long time, so I'm stoked that me and the other two guys, Tyler and Joe.
What up Joe?
What up Tyler?
Where's Steve at?
Is he around anymore?
He was playing bass for us for a while.
Steve is sick.
Which Steve?
Dude, Steve Rozicki, sick bass player.
He plays all sorts of instruments.
You actually recorded.
He's super sick.
He helped us mix and master this album.
Yeah.
Wow, the artwork on it.
That's super dope.
You do all those artwork?
Do you draw all that?
Yeah.
Here, hold it up for the next video.
It's easy making artwork and shit.
Pull it back more.
Be marketing.
There you go.
Hold it up.
There you go.
There we go.
Yeah.
So what is that on the cover?
What is that?
I was trying to find like a dope place with a tree that just like was growing out of control and went from park to park in the county and came across this one.
And we were, I was like, whoa, that's it.
Is that an astronaut?
Yeah, yeah.
Me and my drummer are on the cover because we were kind of the only two persistent members at the time.
We actually took all these photos to where we're actually in the image.
Three times a piece and then this astronaut character is in there three times So it's definitely like oh, I see so we're kind of like tucked.
I'm up here in the tree He's over here in the tree.
I'm over there in the tree again.
He's there again and then me and him again at the bottom and then the astronauts like in there Wow, an astronaut in the woods Yeah, yeah, it's like he's rediscovering earth or something did the astronaut take some psychedelic mushrooms?
Yeah, and he's just lost in the woods He doesn't know what planet he's on.
Where am I?
It's like this planet's tight, though.
Yeah, yeah.
This represents self-discovery and stuff.
So then it almost looks like architecture.
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Just like dinosaur bones, and who knows what could really kill them.
Maybe it was a nuke sent from the future.
Ooh, a nuke sent from the time traveler.
From the aliens?
Yeah, what if that's what Pompeii was?
From the tall whites?
I don't know, dude.
What if the Nazis failed?
Have you thought a lot about that?
A little bit, especially after watching that movie, Tenet.
I've never seen that.
Me neither.
No, it's like the newest Christopher Nolan movie.
Tenet?
Or wait.
Sounds familiar.
Is that the director's name, Christopher Nolan?
Christopher Nolan, yeah.
He did the Batman.
Yeah, he did Batman, yeah.
Yeah.
He also did Inception.
What's it about?
Tenet.
Oh, I've heard of that.
Can you find the trailer for Tenet?
Yeah, there's all this symbolism, and the whole movie is like half of it goes backwards.
And this character's trying to go through it backwards.
Full screen it.
Yeah, it was like the first movie I saw during COVID because it was the only one they released.
I guess he was stoked about releasing it regardless.
I just saw a movie with that guy in it too.
I like went to it a second time and took notes because all the symbolism I was noticing.
Yeah, it's always good to watch Christopher Knowles movies twice.
Yeah.
Well, the term tenant actually comes from this thing called the Sator Square.
And the Sator Square was a symbol that people kept on their homes in like Pompeii and stuff.
And because this movie is about time travel, really?
100% or not even time travel, just moving backwards in time.
Yeah, so they found out some way to make matter.
Is that the guy from Twilight?
So somebody in the future is selling reversible ammo to people.
What?
Yeah.
And the arms dealer's name actually relates to that Sator Square.
The opening scene correlates with it.
This movie looks dope, dude.
It does look pretty cool.
See and I'm already doing reverse stuff in my videos and stuff too.
So I'm like, oh really I have to go see this do you do your own music videos?
Yeah, yeah So what does this have to do with Pompeii?
Well the Sator Square what is okay?
Sorry, I was it has nothing to do with Pompeii.
So what is Sator Square?
If you pull that up it'd make a lot more sense.
It's basically the square where if you spell tenant up and down and across with the end being shared Google Sator Square So if you spell out Sator Square.
No, tenant.
Oh, I'm sorry.
If you spell out the word tenant.
Yeah, like across and down, like in a cross, right?
Okay.
The N is the only letter being borrowed, really.
Right.
And then if you spell Sator at the top and then Rotas at the bottom, and you really got to see it.
It's hard for me to kind of explain.
All right.
He's looking it up.
Sator Square.
Yeah, after watching the movie the first and second time.
Or the first time I started like looking like anybody finding Easter eggs in this movie.
Yeah, that's what I like to do I like movies that have Easter eggs Google image it little hidden messages that only the director knows is there and hopefully somebody catches it That was it.
Yep Okay, what are we looking at?
Okay, yeah, so this symbol I guess the Christians of the time of Pompeii would have this Sator square.
It's called a magic square Click on the one on the second row all the way to the left To the left That one.
Yeah, all right Sator Aripo tenant opera rotas.
Yeah, and what's even creepier is that it works in reverse speech, too.
It's not just a spelling Like if if you say those words a ropa a a repo tenant Opera?
Right.
Opera is a Rodrigo backwards.
What the fuck?
Rotas is Satyr backwards.
So, what is the significance of this thing?
Well, anytime that the.
Go to that black one, it says, Did you know?
It tells you about it.
Yeah, right there.
Okay, did you know?
The Satyr Square is the world's oldest 2D paint pan.
Palindrome.
Palindrome.
Okay, new word.
Found in the ruins of Pompeii.
It was believed to have magic powers because it contains five connected.
I forget the word again.
Palindromes.
Palindromes.
Each of the Latin words, satyr, arepo, tenant, and opera, and rotos, can be read bottom to top, top to bottom, left to right, and right to left.
That's weird.
So they found this in Pompeii, in the remains of Pompeii?
Yeah, yeah.
And since this movie is about time travel and things going backwards, it made me think, like, whoa, what if Pompeii's volcano eruption wasn't a volcano eruption?
What if even in a science fiction movie do they reference this thing at all in the movie?
The Sator Square.
The main antagonist's name is Sator.
The opening scene of the movie is an opera.
One of the company's names in the background is like one of the other phrases.
I'd have to watch it again.
I saw it twice last year.
What if Oprah was part of it?
Oprah.
What if Oprah time traveled and she's the one who sent it to me?
She's been with Doc and Marty.
Rick and Morty.
Yeah, see, they went into time and so they went up.
That's true, bro.
Fuck.
What if Rick and Morty fucking sent Oprah back in time to nuke Pompeii?
Yeah, I don't really necessarily believe in time travel, but because the movie was about backwards matter and arms dealers, I was like, whoa, that would be interesting.
I think it's possible aliens are time travelers.
You know, like people see like aliens, they think they see aliens and they get abducted by aliens.
Don't you think those could be time travelers?
I thought, yeah, the guy that put the ketamine in your drink.
Or GHB.
No, bro.
Like there's people that actually like have like, Vivid accounts of being abducted by aliens like Travis Walton.
You ever heard of him?
No, I haven't.
No, he's this guy who's this logger who was out in Arizona with like eight other loggers, and they were all in like their 20s or whatever.
They saw this glowing light in the woods after like a long day of cutting trees.
And uh, they all saw this kid, he ran out like Travis was one of them.
He saw this bright light, got out of the truck, ran towards it, and they all saw him get sucked up into this ship.
And then uh, he disappeared for like five days, and no one knew where the fuck he was.
The they arrested all the other kids, they thought they thought that he that they murdered him or something.
They were all like, No, they all had the same exact story.
These kids are like early 20s, and then, um, and then five days later, he shows up, he finds a phone booth and calls his parents, and then he just tells the story.
And then, as soon as he gets back, before he even got to see his friends, he told the story of what happened, and it was identical to what his friends said.
Yeah, and there's been literally, and anyways, it's fucking insane if you actually listen to the story.
There's a whole documentary about it, too.
It's called, uh, I think it's called Fire in the Sky, okay, but, um.
Anyways, I forget what I was getting.
Oh, yeah, time traveling aliens.
Oh, that's what it was.
But, I mean, how else would they get here?
How else would they get here?
You think they travel fucking quadrillions of light years?
You just cut a little hole in time and come right through and come see us fucking drooling baboons with nuclear weapons trying to kill each other and see what we're doing.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I also think, what if it was like the Russians?
It's always the Russians.
That could be too.
What if it was my band?
And we just had people dressed up as aliens.
Are you on that level?
That would be pretty cool.
Catatonic scripts.
We're known for abducting people and bringing them back.
Yeah.
You kind of look like tall white.
No, I don't want to be in charge of abducting anyone, honestly.
Yeah, I seem like a lot of respect.
It seems like a hard job.
Aliens got it rough.
It's a tough job.
They don't get paid enough.
Even if those aliens did abduct somebody, for what purpose?
To study us.
Just like we abduct sharks out of the ocean and stick probes in them and follow where they've been.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We do the same shift.
We have to.
But why?
Why do we have to?
I don't know.
But I don't know.
Even landing on the moon, was it really that important?
But did we really land on the moon?
Even if we did, I wouldn't know.
It looked kind of phony to me.
Well, there's theories that Stanley Kubrick was hired.
Yeah.
He was the hired gun.
By NASA, right?
I'm sure it was NASA was on stage.
NASA was involved.
I mean, he was already making films that had space.
Right.
And they wanted to figure out how he made it so weird.
Trials in One Space Odyssey would have been 100% the reason.
Yep.
And then, I don't know.
There's a lot of things about that movie, The Shining, he directed.
And he put all these little references.
There's actually a documentary called Room 237.
And it's about all this extensive, elaborate, intentional, subliminal messaging through that movie.
Really?
Through The Shining?
Yeah.
What is the documentary called?
Room 237?
He intentionally changed a lot of the way the book was written, almost like he didn't want to work on Stephen King's movie, like it was contracted.
So he made the movie his own.
What the fuck yeah room 237 it was something you could watch on YouTube do they ever ask did they interview Stanley Kubrick in that video in that movie in that documentary Do they ask him any of this stuff like to his face he was already dead.
Oh, he was cuz he died during the production or He died after the production of the shining no, what was the last movie eyes wide shut?
That's another which is weird because it's all about secret societies.
Yeah, and like, if you want to make it in this world, you have to join these.
How did he die?
That's got to be a conspiracy.
Well, that's what was weird too is like the day that that movie was released was almost like he picked that date for a reason, and i've noticed a lot of authors and writers and filmmakers and artists will release albums on specific days.
Right yeah, meaningful days yeah, like even I found out that John Lennon was interviewed on 9-11, The same year that the World Trade Center was finished constructed.
That when they finished building it?
Yeah.
The same day?
Yeah, it was like not.
No, he was on the news.
Or he was.
Fuck, I forgot what I even said.
But what would John Lennon.
I mean, I don't know.
You could say anybody.
You could find a fucking million celebrities who were interviewed on 9-11.
Yeah, I'm sure of that, but not one that was.
Not the date the towers were dropped, but I'm saying like any 9-11 before that.
No, John Lennon's been dead since 81.
So like I think he was trying to whistleblow a lot of stuff.
And I think he knew that they were building the World Trade Center to tear them down.
What?
Yeah.
To manipulate our society to do something called manufacturing consent.
So yeah, we were talking about the Beatles earlier.
and how the Beatles may or may not have been used by our press and our media to kind of tone down the feelings about JFK being assassinated.
And then it's the reason they needed to get rid of JFK was because they needed to build these buildings.
And he was already trying to spill the beans about secret society.
If you listen to JFK's last speech before he was assassinated, he clearly brings up that they're a secret society and they're getting away with like the most atrocious things you'd ever imagine right.
Yeah, he said he's the one that coined the term conspiracy Is he really yeah basically with that speech he's like there's a conspiracy that is so Beyond any humans comprehension Like that's what he sounds like when he says it.
It's he's like literally addressing the people like could you imagine all this shit that he knew?
Well, he was the the CIA wanted to get rid of him because of the Bay of pigs Right.
Because he didn't want anything to do with that stuff.
Right.
Yeah.
He was trying to, like, get rid of all that.
So, like, I think that they couldn't even get away or they already had the plans on building the World Trade Center.
And, like, do you know when it was built?
It was built in 1960.
1968 was when they first started breaking ground for the first tower.
But, like, they had to have already been.
kind of organizing the city to build something that big since like probably 66.
Wow.
So I almost feel like the funding of the moon landing might have been to fund other things involved with those towers.
Siphoning money over there.
The funding of the moon landing.
Yeah, just the money that they pulled in.
And then I also think the moon landing, like, sure, great, we landed there, right?
What was the real objective?
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To put televisions in every home.
You know what I mean?
The television is used as a tool to make people move this way and move that way and look at this and look at that.
Were there TVs already during the moon landing?
There were, but there were not.
So what is the idea that if something so groundbreaking is happening that if you don't have a TV, everyone wants to watch it?
You felt left out of the world.
It would have been like Facebook 10 years after Facebook.
Yeah.
Because some people didn't care the whole time.
Right.
We were also racing with what we were also like had the space race, but we were trying to do it before Russia, right?
That would have been maybe that we're working together just to put televisions in our homes.
Yeah, get your TV get it fixed Hmm nowadays we got like 50 televisions in every room.
I know I was just thinking about televisions in our pockets.
I was just trying to like read it.
Is what we're driving everyone every room in your house like you base the toilet bowl you base the layout of the TV I'm on you base the layout of the room every room in your house based on where the TV is gonna go.
Yeah, yeah, I have this idea for a film I'd really like to make but I don't have time or money so it'll never happen.
What's it about?
Maybe I'll help you make it.
Yeah, I was actually thinking that'd be cool, dude.
So it'd be about this character that has a disease called hypergraphia.
It's this addiction to writing.
Uh huh.
Right?
Like it keeps me up all night writing and writing and writing.
Yeah.
So this character would have a house that has all this writing written all over the household, like the furniture.
Walls and shit?
Yeah, yeah.
So the idea is that, I don't know, I think you'd start the movie out, like the pan and the words and everybody involved, right?
And you're just panning across all this furniture, all this manic writing on it.
And that would intrigue somebody like, whoa, what's going on?
This is not normal.
And then like maybe somebody's knocking on the door, invites themselves in, and then they find the dude that's writing and he's still writing like in a different room on some other furniture.
But then I was thinking like, he's writing about stuff and this stuff is going to be related to these little facts and these little connections and these little dots.
So it'd be basically like the way a detective's room works when they're using those.
Strings and stuff, you know what I mean like this connects to that and that connects to this so, and like I was thinking, having the television in the middle of the room would and then having all the information coming off of the television.
So like each room has like different information that kind of goes along with the room.
It's like the living room I have information about the moon landing and like other things that are hugely televised.
What were the two biggest televised things?
9-11 And the moon landing.
And maybe now COVID, because it's been on the news for two years.
They win.
Yeah, they win.
Wow.
They beat the moon landing.
God damn.
With money and like marketing and basically media.
Yeah.
So it's like, what if the moon landing was really just to put televisions at everybody's homes?
And then the World Trade Center was really just to like put people under the spell of you're under control.
Like there's nothing you can do about it.
You got to rely on the government.
Interesting yeah, it's a fear tactic, you know what I mean.
Yeah, what's crazy is my grandfather was.
I never knew my grandfather on my mother's side, so I i've only met my mom's father one time and he was the foreman of the Ironworkers Union that built the World Trade Center.
So I grew up with my mom telling me about going to the World Trade Center while it was being built.
That's really the only reason I even looked up.
When was it being built?
Because who thinks about that?
When was the build?
When was the construction complete?
What year do you know?
1971 see, and that's why I think John Lennon.
What year were you born on to national television, knowing that they finished it and knowing that they might have planned on doing this thing on 9, 11?
What year were you born and think about it?
When was uh 9 1, 1 created as an emergency phone call?
Like nobody even thinks about those details, like when hold on.
You said you grew up with your mom trying to get you to go look, watch your.
No, my mom Grew up in New York while the World Trade Center was being built.
Okay.
Yeah, she has a little girl.
Yeah, she probably went to the ceremonies when it was done.
I think, yeah, and I looked up like who built the buildings, like the architect.
Because the company that built it was called Koch.
My mom told me that.
And I've looked it up and it's kind of misleading some of the stuff about The World Trade Center.
It's like you can't really.
I couldn't find my grandfather's name involved anywhere.
Yeah, but I'm sure it'd be kind of hard.
It's not made up that he was part of this.
My mom even showed me a card that they gave them for the holidays the year they finished it.
So I have proof no one else would ever have.
What is this?
What is this, Austin?
Manufacturing consent.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's basically like if I tell you that you need security on your home and then you're like, oh, I'll be all right.
And then I rob your house the next day and don't tell you that I did it.
And then I convince you, you sure you don't need that security?
It sounds like you need it now.
Yeah.
I was even thinking that maybe the Manson murders, what if they were staged in LA and what if they were used to popularize security?
Because what was security like in LA before then?
Probably low.
You know what I mean?
February 16th, that's when the same year.
Booyah!
Connecting dots all day.
So 911?
I told you I'd have to.
Emergency hotline was created the same year that the World Trade Center was built.
And guess the guy that.
The architect that built it.
Guess what else he built?
Danny's mind blown right now.
He built the Federal Reserve.
It just connected.
Yeah, bro.
What's his name?
I don't know because it's.
Hey, by the way, this episode is 100% getting shadow banned on YouTube.
He's Japanese.
He is.
What's your name?
What?
The Federal Reserve.
I was already saying, I think that our governments, when we were talking about Pearl Harbor and the bomb being dropped, right?
I thought our governments were like, hey, you let us do this, we'll let you do this.
We both win.
We know what these bombs will do.
We terrify every other country in the world.
Right.
Look, we win together.
Because there's like a massive connection between Japan and Hawaii.
There always has been.
LBJ that ended up in office after JFK.
He's actually directly related to Obama.
How so like their bloodline?
Oh really, it's like his uncle or some shit.
So Bama's from Hawaii and that's where LG LBJ like spent.
That's where Pearl Harbor was yeah, interesting.
And then what was the last quarter that came out with the bat symbol?
Yeah right, when Covid that's weird.
That was pretty weird.
What the Fuck, how weird is that?
Why did they do that?
Contagion.
But it's the last scene.
But they bring it to the bat.
I've never seen contagion.
Really?
I didn't either until it was on TV.
I've seen it before, but I don't know.
It's the last time.
See, they're broadcasting what they want us to believe.
Like, television has been used to broadcast.
Well, I don't know.
It's about, yeah.
It kind of like desensitizes people.
It makes sense.
Why they would want televisions in all the homes to control people through fear and to control people through propaganda.
Yeah.
And to make people believe certain narratives or to make people you know, to be able to control them through, you know, it's through politics, like right and left, have everyone fighting against each other.
Yeah, divide and conquer.
Yamasaki was the architect.
World Trade Center in New York City, which was briefly the tallest building in the world, was designed by Yamasaki.
Wow.
He also built another Twin Towers, Minora Yamasaki, in California.
Called like the twin century towers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I guess, like when you watch Fight Club, at the end, when all those I think those are in Santa Monica, I think those were this, the twin Century towers, which Kind of look like the twin towers, and he actually built them to look like the twin towers.
Probably same material, same Structural design, just different.
Those didn't collapse, did they not?
No, not.
Yet Fight CLUB in Fight Club, they did see.
That's what's crazy is Fuck came out like 1999, God right, and it was about Taking down the stock market, basically right.
The plot, basically.
Yeah, and then at the end what was crazy is when I was younger and we were watching that movie We rented it from blockbuster.
Yeah, yeah, let's watch this me and my brother We go home.
We're watching it my mom walks in at the end of the movie when the buildings are falling down and Like I said her father built the twin towers.
So when she saw those towers going down just walking in the room for two seconds She was like turn that movie off.
I don't like it like all this and that was before 9 11 She didn't even make the association.
They're like, wow, that happened two years later or three years later.
And then what I didn't realize is that the buildings that fell in that movie were a different two towers that this guy happened to build.
The same guy that built the twin towers.
Different from the century towers?
He built both the century towers and the twin towers.
Right.
So if it was a reference to the twin towers falling, they used a reference to the other twin towers the same guy built.
That is really weird, isn't it?
That's a strange coincidence.
It's hard to avoid those kind of coincidences, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
My perspective on it was I was a little kid watching this movie in 1999.
My mom's walking in the room and she saw those buildings going down.
My grandmother took us to the World Trade Center one year before it went down.
It was almost like she might have known because her husband at the time was constructing it.
Like I feel like that could have been a huge part of why she got divorced and took the kids down here to Florida, get away.
There's no way the fucking construction companies knew about that shit.
Well, he wasn't, he was the foreman.
Even the foreman, bro.
I don't know, dude.
They're not going to tell us.
He might be working hand in hand with that guy we had pulled up there.
He would have to be.
No, bro.
The foreman, there's no way.
The foremen are so far down the ladder from the people that are funding this shit.
And they would never let those, the foremen are the architect.
He had to have at least met that architect.
Yeah, but do you really even think the architect knew this kind of stuff?
This is like deep state conspiracy?
The Federal Reserve.
He definitely knows.
So if there was any secret entrances in and out of this building, this guy knew and probably the foreman.
Yeah.
Because like when it went down, it was is this guy still alive, Yamasaki?
No.
He's born in 1912, so doubt it.
Okay.
See that same time period where things were getting rough.
1912, that's like the same time period.
So one of the first Hollywood blockbuster films was A Birth of a Nation.
Are you familiar with that film at all?
A Birth of a Nation is like this radical propaganda film, black and white, silent, promoting the KKK.
It was the first movie shown in the White House.
What?
Yeah.
The KKK was booming in 1919.
Right, but that movie was a lead-grossing film.
Until Gone with the Wind came out.
So it had like a 30-year pedestal.
How the birth of a nation revived the Ku Klux Klan.
Wait, what does that top part say?
The very top part?
D.W. Griffith's controversial epic 1915 film about the Civil War and the Reconstruction depicted the Ku Klux Klan as valiant saviors of the post-war South ravaged by northern carpetbaggers and freed black people.
Wow.
Look, they even got the KKK horse.
Fucking dude looks like a knight on a horse Wow, that's fucking has no idea raising bro.
So that's like the first big blockbuster film.
Yeah, if if anybody wants to say anybody's racist say it's Hollywood because Hollywood was funded By this off this movie.
Yeah, look it was like the lead grossing film for like 30 years until Gone with the Wind came out What motivates you to research all this stuff?
I just see little things and red flags dude just like Paul was killed Just like who?
Paul from the Beatles.
Oh.
You guys have heard that conspiracy, right?
I guess there's statistics that when that conspiracy was rolling, like 61%.
So like I was saying, Bob Dylan could have been killed and replaced, but he actually had time between when the new guy came out.
There was like a hiatus.
So that helps.
Yeah.
Well, when the rumor of Paul being dead was, well, it's because, like I said, the government was helping the Beatles out over here, and there's all kinds of rumors that the Beatles were being put on LSD.
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with and without them knowing it.
So like George Harrison from the Beatles was on the Dick Cavick show and he was interviewed and Dick Cavick was kind of being like, what is it?
He was gaslighting George Harrison and he was like, George, like why are you guys admitting on national television, international television that you guys do drugs?
Like isn't that irresponsible to your young viewers?
And George Harrison just responded like so professionally.
He was like, well, is it my responsibility to lie?
About what you asked me don't ask the question Yeah, you know what I mean like if you don't want to know the answer and then he was talking about LSD and he was like yeah the first time we did LSD We didn't even know we were on it.
We were at our doctor's house and he had given us some coffee Sydney Gottlieb What's that?
Oh never mind.
I don't know.
Okay.
I'll explain after you finish the story.
I'm sorry to interrupt so no, but that was pretty much the end of the story.
Oh, was it at the perfect time?
Sidney Gottlieb was a guy, a chemist who was hired by the CIA's lead chemist.
They called him the poisoner in chief.
And he developed a program called MKUltra.
Yeah, yeah.
This is all about MKUltra.
Yeah.
And that goes back to the whole Charles Manson.
I just had a guy on here who spent the last 20 years of his life writing a book about Charles Manson.
It's called Chaos.
And it basically debunks all of the known narratives about the Manson murders, the LaBianca Tate murders.
And it basically explains how Manson kept getting let out of prison.
when you shouldn't have been and kept violating parole and getting let out and how him and they were visiting this free clinic in San Francisco and him and all of those hippie followers, they were going to this free clinic and they were getting LSD.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's basically all California's fault.
Well, if you listen to the Hotel California backwards, there's references almost like that was the spot to get the LSD from the operatives to Hotel California.
What?
Yeah.
If you play Hotel California backwards, Yeah, what does it do?
Well, first of all, the guitar riff sounds identical both ways, so that was pretty impressive.
Can you try to find that like on YouTube?
That won't get copywritten if you play it backwards.
That's all I do.
I cover songs backwards now.
I'm the first ever.
No, so leave it up.
It's fine.
Well, maybe I might not be the first ever, but I've been covering songs backwards.
Really?
What made you want to do that?
Yeah, last time I saw you, you were actually.
I saw you a couple times, your band play, and then like the last time I saw you were doing like some of the same music.
But playing it in reverse, or even live as well.
I think you were recording music in reverse and playing it live in reverse, or something you said.
Well yeah, I found this method.
So we were talking about phonetic palindrome or we were talking about palindromes.
Yeah right, palindrome.
Hold on here's Hotel California backwards.
Okay yeah, this is always fun.
Tell me, that doesn't sound the same.
It is, it does sound like the regular song.
Yeah, it does.
It's almost identical.
So this was supposed to direct people to do what?
To buy LSD from the Hotel California.
Or at least I think they're telling a story of what might have really been going on at the Hotel California.
What is the actual Hotel California?
I don't know, but I heard that the fake Paul McCartney was staying there a lot.
And there's rumors that he might have been directly influencing the Manson family.
What?
Yeah.
Because the Beatles were connected to the Manson murders.
Helter-skelter.
Yeah, but the helter-skelter.
But debunked.
He copied that from somebody.
Manson, they copied that whole thing.
You can turn it off now.
He wanted to.
He wanted some sort of record deal.
It was directly related, but it wasn't directly related as far as.
Paul says it wasn't.
Right.
The prosecutor.
Put that on backwards.
The prosecutor for the fucking Manson trial, he wrote the book.
He literally, during the whole entire trial, he hired a writer. to be sitting in on the trial so he could write a book about it.
Yeah.
The guy was absolutely fucking nuts.
The guy, the head prosecutor, I forget his name.
Bugliosi.
Vincent Bugliosi.
But Manson was basically raised by the prison system.
He was a product of the prison system.
Right.
He was.
So what's more terrifying, all the shit he did or that?
Right.
But he was a two-bit criminal his whole entire life.
Just like stealing cars, robbing grocery stores, and just doing like he wasn't.
Right.
Right, exactly.
But, I mean, going from that to fucking brainwashing people with LSD.
It's easy to destroy credibility.
It's easy to destroy credibility.
You know what I mean?
Like, any musician at any point in time can be, like, pointed the finger at them and heroin addicts.
Right.
You know what I mean?
And, like, I don't know if it's always true.
It's like anytime some rock star dies.
Suicide or this or that.
Like Kurt Cobain?
Yeah dude, I don't know.
I like to think that Kurt faked his death.
And he's like Elvis yeah, and if you listen to Heartshaped Box backwards, he pretty much tells you, tells you, he faked his death.
Do you listen to a lot of music backwards?
I write music backwards.
So how do you write music backwards like oh, you mean, you take existing music and you rewrite it backwards?
No, I just make small phrases.
I have an app on my phone called IReverseSpeech.
Oh.
Right?
And then I can record long phrases like yeah, show me an example.
Blood in the water hurdle when they dull.
So backwards, it should sound vaguely similar.
Blood in the water hurdle when they dull.
Whoa.
Yeah, sometimes it's really clear.
Sometimes it can be a little shaky.
So you record a whole song that's like this.
It's played in reverse.
Yeah, I've been doing this thing where I've been trying to expose phonetic reversal as a real thing by making it so obvious by repeating what I'm saying backwards and forwards.
Because, see, it was Aleister Crowley that started doing reverse speech and popularized it.
And that's why it's associated with heavy metal and Satanism because he was a Satanist.
Or at least he was like the leader.
For people listening, who is Aleister Crowley?
Aleister Crowley was let's say Hitler was envious of Crowley.
He was crazy.
He did like a ton of black magic.
Yeah.
Some really weird fucking shit.
Yeah.
So like, who knows?
They said he was like the most influential man of the world.
Aleister Crowley?
At one point in time, yeah.
There was a lot of musicians that would like rent his estate and record albums there after he died.
That's where Led Zeppelin recorded their album.
Jimmy Page.
Jimmy Page, yeah.
Aleister Crowley's.
Yeah, this guy was super crazy.
Huh.
But he's how I kind of figured out about Freemasonry and secret society and how relevant it really is.
Who was the guy who was in California who had like a Church of Satan?
Anton LaVey.
Was he in anywhere, any way related to this guy?
He probably knew this guy's books.
Yeah.
Frontwards and backwards.
Yeah.
See, and that's what's creepy is reverse speech was kind of created in a way to affect people's minds without them being aware of it, right?
But I'm trying to expose it.
So I feel like reverse speech was created to how so?
Well, our brains interpret speech.
Our brains interpret speech both forwards and backwards according to some of the stuff I've been reading.
Without us being conscious of it?
Well, we are kind of it's our subconscious.
So we're not, yeah, we're not consciously aware of it.
But at the same time, like we were talking about palindromes earlier, mom is a palindrome.
It's identical backwards and forwards.
Dad is phonetically backwards and forwards.
Right.
Her poop.
Poop.
Yeah, they're spelled backwards and forwards.
But mom and dad actually work in speech too.
Oh, okay.
Mom, dad.
Dad mom Mom dad dad mom Sounds pretty close.
Yeah, like you can kind of like manipulate it by listening and so you're saying popular Cultural American songs have hidden messages in there that are intended to Brainwash people somehow or maybe just send a message or send a secret message like if you listen to Nirvana stuff backwards heart-shaped box Yeah, But nobody listens to it.
Backwards, though, a few years ago you could find all this reverse stuff online.
Yeah, people used to play.
It's been monetized now, like people actually made lyric videos so you could follow the lyrics like one of the best songs.
Backwards thriller, Really.
Wow dude, cuz the message he was trying to portray like.
He's like, okay, basically like I got a new song working on called pop music, and This is the first time I'm gonna try to use reverse speech where I'm not repeating what I'm saying both ways, And it's gonna go like, This is not.
Oh wait, I'm singing it forwards instead of backwards.
Guess weem pop on, say Sith, Wow, that sounds creepy as hell.
Did you hear what it says?
This is not pop music.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I'm gonna call the song pop music.
It's gonna sound like this forwards Guess we pop on say sith and then this is not what me say backwards So you're gonna it's gonna play normally it but backwards.
So the way to hear it the correct way is that people reverse it.
Yeah.
That's some next level shit right there.
Sounds like nonsense forwards, but that's not the point.
Sounds like nonsense forwards, right.
It sounds like are there any popular songs like that that Nirvana or anyone has done that sounds complete bullshit, like nothing forward, and you have to play it in reverse?
Like, is there any proof that they were intentionally doing that?
That's what I noticed is a lot of Nirvana's lyrics were always hard for me to interpret.
I could barely hear what he's saying half the words.
Well, that's because he was fucked up, right?
No, it's because he was singing backwards, dude.
Really here, put on Nirvana backwards and you'll see out what song, what's the best, what's the best song in Bloom In Bloom here, and this is why it's the best one.
Okay, He says something in the lyrics backwards about the system being messed up or like screw up the system, and half the video is them playing in like this white collar kind of atmosphere, and then half the video is them wearing dresses, throwing them stuff on the A stage around, and it happens to be a solar system.
So while he's singing backwards, Screw up the system.
Find the music video for actually throwing the solar system around.
You want to hear it first.
Oh, then yeah, we gotta hear reverse They should have it with the video somewhere But even the guitar sounds attainable.
Yeah Well, basically even if no one else is saying that they're doing it.
I'm saying I'm doing it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah And these are also that person's interpretation of the lyrics right because it doesn't sound identical to what he's typing on no and sometimes people will make videos and they'll just write gibberish underneath it to like kind of avoid even looking into it.
Yeah, because there were videos that were like to a T that's good But doesn't he almost sound Yeah, it's almost clear.
Yeah, some of his stuff forward isn't clear.
I'm sure drugs make it sound more clear depending on what you're like if you take some some mushrooms or you smoke a lot of hot or eat No, no, that's when I stopped doing all that like once.
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Yeah What yeah, what do you mean you stopped?
I don't know once I figured out all this secret stuff It's like I don't need any of those drugs to figure it out anymore.
I already figured it out like So that was like the vessel that got you there Yeah, like I liked messing around with mushrooms a little bit, but I only liked really microdosing at any point Whenever I took more than that because I like to be in control of my body I Like to be able to go running if I feel like it or something like that like yeah When was the first time you took mushrooms?
Oh I Don't know when I was like 18 or 19 really hanging with some friends were you there?
I might have been I've never taken them.
Oh no never Oh, yeah.
I think you were asking about that.
I don't know where to get them.
I do.
Oh, okay.
But I've never taken them.
Did you take them a lot, like through your teenage years and through your 20s?
No, man.
Really seldom, Lee, when I was younger.
I didn't start literally, like, kind of messing around with it until I was an adult at home on my own.
Like, yeah, and I don't really like doing it around a lot of other people or anything.
No, nobody does, though, right?
I don't know.
It all depends.
And there's just certain movies that like you're gonna be sitting there for four hours anyway.
Yeah, why not?
Yeah, go watch the matrix Microdose you're gonna be like whoa really already gonna be like whoa if you haven't seen it right right cuz it's a mind bender for sure.
Yeah, we're supposed to get another one of those soon.
Yeah, they said they're making another one.
Yeah, really are they gonna use Keanu Reeves again?
I heard he's coming back, but they have to they're creating a new cow Lawrence Fishburn.
I'm gonna bring them back is like recycled yeah yeah Jesus yeah, resurrected Jesus yeah, it's like what they did with Terminator, like they uh, they recreated they basically like Morpheus is coming back.
Can you have the major why he's still a fucking FBI detective in every true crime show on TV?
He was in Contagion, was he really?
Yeah actually, the Contagion cast was stacked.
I'm gonna rewatch that movie.
How?
When did that?
Not even worth watching.
No, you're living it right now.
Yeah right, for real, for real.
It's kind of a boring movie.
It was groundbreaking at the time because we weren't living through it.
Yeah.
Remember during all the fucking, uh, the civil rights riots in the streets a year ago when COVID was like the fourth thing on the news.
It was like number four.
Yeah.
It was like the fourth most popular story.
I like that you called it civil rights riots, but that's not the message anybody got across.
It was the George Floyd riots with all the cop cars burning, people pouring kerosene on abandoned cop cars and throwing bricks through windows.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was the, uh, that was the pandemic.
Racism is the pandemic.
Is it already?
Now that's what the headlines were saying.
Oh, yeah.
When all that was happening.
Yeah, the headlines sharing a title like that just stirs up that kind of angst.
For sure.
Yeah.
The media's got us fooled.
Actually, the term media was supposedly like an old spirit.
Yeah, it's associated with like a spirit.
Is it really?
Yeah.
What kind of a spirit?
I don't know.
Or wait, no.
I'm just, maybe I'm mixing it up television shows.
With reality now.
Do you ever find it hard to distinguish the difference between reality and television?
Not one little flavor flaves in the room.
You think we live in a simulation?
I hope so.
Because this shit's boring.
Maybe life's better outside the simulation.
You think?
Trying to find out.
Uh-oh.
What are you going to do?
Unplug it?
Yeah.
I'm ready to pull the fucking plug.
I'm going to pull the plug.
Yeah.
Ugh.
You brought your guitar?
Yeah, I got some.
You got any new jams?
Maybe.
Open your eyes?
Remember that one?
Remember that one?
That's a classic.
You don't?
I remember it, but I don't remember it.
Can't perform it.
What could you perform for us, man?
Got any new hits?
Yeah, let's see what we got.
What's trending on the billboard right now for catatonic scripts?
Nothing's trending on the billboards.
What's trending on the billboards right now is Mars Volta.
Really?
Yeah, dude.
They finally released Delaus in the Combatorium on vinyl.
And it's like number one or number two on the vinyl billboard charts.
Really?
Yeah.
I haven't heard of Mars Volta in 10 years, I feel like.
Probably more.
See, I listen to a lot of that band's offshoots.
They have like 20 other bands.
That's where I got my idea of like making a new band every week isn't what the fuck's that guy's name?
It's in Mars the guy who made the documentary about suing the record label What's the fucking guy's name?
They were the guy who played the Joker and he's also in a band 30 30 seconds to Mars.
Oh, I'm thinking of 30 seconds Jared Leto Jared Leto.
Yeah, yeah, I was getting 30 seconds to Mars and Mars Volta mixed up.
Yeah, he was the Joker that was the worst Joker of all time for sure.
Well, did you see him in the Snyder's cut?
That one wasn't too bad.
No Angle that mic towards your guitar.
Blood in the Water Soul00:03:37
There you go.
All right, man.
What is this song?
I don't know.
I got to think about which one.
You need to adjust focus?
I can give you a sample of that one we did, or that song.
One of the phrases that I showed you on the reverse thing.
Okay.
This song's called Blood in the Water.
It's trying to use color symbolism.
There it goes.
Oh, that's not it.
Hold on.
Take a sip.
Lube up the vocal cords.
This one's called Blood in the Water.
Yep.
Black ass crow, now they're pouring blood all over your homes White ass snow, black ass crow, now they're pouring blood all over your homes Small heard your book law, dull mural prath 1 Work sat cow, once sat ill Small heard your book law, dull mural prath 1 Work sat cow, once sat ill Blood in the water,
hurtle when they dull Blood in the water, hurtle when they dull.