Big Baby Scumbag details his artistic evolution from punk to rap, citing influences like Lil B and genre-bending strategies involving country music to overcome writer's block. He discusses collaborations with Andrew Callahan, merchandise derived from fan jokes, and conspiracy theories surrounding Tiger King while reflecting on DIY ethics versus polished production. The conversation covers touring hardships, specific food cultures like boiled peanuts, and the importance of authenticity over perfection, ultimately suggesting that artistic growth requires embracing imperfection and diverse creative outlets. [Automatically generated summary]
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Mike Checaroni: The Scumbag Artist00:04:37
Mike Checaroni.
Mr. Scumbag.
Yes.
How are you, sir?
Good, man.
Thanks for doing this.
Glad to be here.
How are you?
I'm chilling, man.
I'm chilling.
Working on music all the time.
You know what I'm saying?
Trying to stay positive.
Trying to stay inspired.
You know what I'm saying?
Life of an artist, man.
Is life good for the big baby scumbag right now?
Hell yeah, man.
Hell yeah, man.
Bro, like, I got a lizard, like, three months ago.
A lizard?
Yeah, man.
It's a blue-tongued skink.
So, these lizards come from Australia.
And they come from Australia and Indonesia.
And these are lizards you can't just like get from a pet co or like a pet supermarket.
So I had to wait until there was a reptile convention in Tampa back in February.
And ever since then, I've just been on dad duty.
Like, proud dad, man.
I was watching him just like run across his cage up and down like earlier today.
And I'm just like, damn, man.
Like, I love this dude.
That's my boy.
My boy.
Would you just do an all gas, no brakes video?
Oh man, yeah, so we linked up.
Uh, Andrew's down here, I don't know how long he's gonna be down here for.
Uh, he might be here for like a couple weeks or so, but uh, man, Andrew is the dude, man.
So, what's crazy is like a fan has sent me a video, like they had shared a video of him on Instagram when he had gone to Talladega.
This is back in uh, I seen that video back in like December, and I was like, yo, what is this?
This is the crazy.
Craziest shit I've ever seen.
And the video that they had sent me, he was in the stands at Talladega.
And while he was talking, some dude that came up to him and was like, number three, baby, fucking damn.
And I was like, yo, I got to put this on a new project.
So I DM'd Andrew and I was like, yo, like, is it cool if I put this on my project?
And he was like, yeah, man.
And I was like, all right, bet.
And then come to find out, we had a lot of mutual friends.
Like, he's cool with a lot of people in the underground scene, like all the guys from GBC.
Uh, Black Cray.
Um, we just have a bunch of mutual friends.
So, like when we clicked up, he was like, oh yeah, how you know so-and-so?
Oh, you know him through there.
Yeah yeah, you know what i'm saying.
So it was very, it was very authentic.
Man shouts out, Andrew Callahan man, we definitely gonna do an all gas, no breaks video like a, like a featured I gotta be a featured guest or something.
We'll figure it out.
Yeah, what is he doing?
He's just like going to like weird conventions and filming stuff.
Yeah, so what he does is like he.
You know he he's like a journalist.
You know what I'm saying.
He just travels around, you know what I'm saying?
Any type of current events that there is around America, he basically covers it.
Like, when, y'all remember when the whole alien shit was going on and people were camping out of Area 51, he went to Reno, Nevada.
And fucking, he was interviewing people that were like camping out at the fucking Area 51.
And he's been to like crazy, like, crazy, like religious, like cult conventions and like.
Furry convention.
He did the Furry convention right.
Yeah, he's been to like protests.
He's been to uh Talladega, that one, that was my favorite one, that was by far the best.
Uh, there's this, so there's this.
There's this big like uh, there's this big land, it's like probably like an hour and a half from here, and it's called uh, the Sausage Castle or the Sausage House.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
So he uh, he had went to the Sausage Castle.
He's been going back and forth from here to Tampa.
I mean uh, from Tampa to the Sausage Castle.
You know what I'm saying.
So he's out there, you know, getting new content and shit like that.
Yeah, now that everything's opening back up, he's able to hit the road and do a good job.
Because, like, right before everything shut down, he's, like, really starting to blow up.
Yeah, dude, because bro, like, last time I checked he had like one point something million.
I think.
He was like, yeah, it's insane.
When I found out about him he was like under like 500,000 maybe.
I don't know dude, didn't Tim And Eric's production company just reach out to him about doing some stuff?
You know what he, uh he was.
He was telling me about that.
He was telling me about a TV deal.
So shout out straight to TV.
No hey, shout out to the homie, bro.
And like what I like about Andrew, like he's so down to earth bro, like he's so he's, so it's so authentic, like It's very genuine.
What you see on the all-gas no brakes, like, that's him, dude.
Brady's Suit And Fuel00:03:26
Yeah.
I love the suit.
Yeah, yeah.
The suit is what, like, really, like, neutralizes him in any group so he can, like, just blend in anywhere, no matter how extreme it is.
Somebody yelling about buttholes or somebody in a furry costume humping him.
He's just still there with the microphone.
He's still with the microphone, dude.
Yeah, bro.
I love his Air Maxes, too, bro.
He's so faithful to the Air Maxes, bro.
Like, I looked at his footwork.
I was like, oh, shit.
Okay.
I haven't seen those before.
The suit is identical to the Michael Jordan suit that he wore in the 90s.
Yeah, big ass suit.
Yeah, big shoulders.
Huge pants, yeah.
It's part of the look, though.
It's iconic.
Yeah, no, it's like he can't ever be in some regular clothes.
They're going to be like, what the fuck are you wearing, dude?
That's how he blends in.
Just take the suit off, and then he just neutralizes himself, and he's in the group again.
Yeah, no, he's doing big shit, man.
I told him I wanted to get him in a music video.
And I don't know doing what.
I think we'll do a little skit scene.
In the middle of the video where, like it's like, pretend i'm.
I'm like, pretend on all gas, no breaks.
Yeah, i'm saying some type of, some type of cameo easter egg for the video, you know?
Yeah, that'd be hilarious.
Yeah no, that should'll be so crazy.
How long you've been in Tampa are you originally from here?
Yeah, man born and raised.
Man born and raised Florida.
Og yeah, hell yeah, have you always been a Bucks fan?
Yeah dude, my dad, my dad, is a diehard Bucks fan, bro.
My dad is like, what win, lose or draw, he don't care, bro.
Like I remember when um, so I remember he was telling me when the Bucks first came out, like, you know, like the first three seasons, like the Orange, the original Bucks.
The creamsicle.
Yeah, back in the 70s, they lost every single game, like three seasons straight.
You know what I'm saying?
My dad was still going hard for them back then.
So, you know what I'm saying?
I feel like now, like, the tables are going to turn a little bit, and, like, a lot of people are going to hop on the bandwagon now that we got Brady.
Yeah.
For sure.
I'm not sold.
Really?
No.
Why?
I'm not sold.
I mean, it's like the same thing when Brett Favre went to the Vikings.
I feel like Brady still got some fuel left in him, man.
Come bring that ring home.
I would love to see it happen.
I'm not denying that it could happen.
And we got Gronk.
I'm skeptical.
We got Gronk, too, man.
Yeah, Gronk, though, he's brittle.
Those old bones ain't going to last.
They're going to have to just bench Gronk until the playoffs when they make the playoffs and then just set him loose during the playoffs.
Because he's always getting hurt.
Even when he was playing for the Patriots, he was always hurt.
Yeah, that's true, man.
Hey, man, I got to go to a Bucs game, man.
Hopefully, like, this quarantine shit, like, isn't, like, bad.
You know what I'm saying?
Come, like, August, September, because I got to go.
Last time I went to a Bucs game was, like, I was, like, 13, 14.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's back when I was actually playing football.
Like, my dad would take me to the Bucs games because he was working for the Tampa Tribune.
So like anybody that worked for the Tampa Tribune, they would have like they would be given like free like VIP passes.
So we would be like in like we would be where like the general managers and shit would be.
We would be in the fucking the the the like the see-through glass shit.
The boxing again.
Right, right, right.
They cater it and everything got food in there.
Yeah, yeah.
Not bro.
It was so VIP.
I was like it was every Sunday.
Quitting To Find Authenticity00:11:04
So yeah, man.
Shouts out Tampa Tribune, man.
They they treated their employees really good.
You gonna do a song about Tom Brady?
It's already recorded.
It's already recorded.
It's in the waiting.
Can we get the sneak peek?
Honestly, I don't like it enough right now.
I got to re-record it.
And that's how it is with a lot of my songs, man.
It could be the slightest thing, and I'm like, I don't like it.
And then my engineer, though, my engineer will be like, oh, you're overthinking it.
You know what I'm saying?
But it's just the life of a perfection, man.
I'm trying to get better at not overthinking shit, because a lot of times it is just, oh, like nobody's worried about that like literally if if a fan was to listen to a song they wouldn't catch what I'm so you know Yeah, sometimes you just gotta let go.
You just gotta let go of it and just move on to the next one and a lot of the you know Really good shit is the most authentic shit and that becomes the best shit so once you ramp up that output and you just kind of let go of the process You can really start to discover who you are as an artist.
Yeah, and you just get out of your way and whatever comes out Yeah, man.
Yeah, like when I first started, I was so self-conscious about shit, like I was like oh, like I don't want to do this, I don't want to do that.
But like, if you're not taking no risks man, if you or if you worried about what somebody think about you man, like it's it's good, as dead man you, you can't, you can't, you can't, can't, worry about that man, and Pablo, Pablo would stress that a lot.
Man like, fuck it like yeah, just do what it do.
Man hey, who are you doing this for you?
Or somebody else, right?
You know what i'm saying.
And, at the end of the day, that's what it is man, real deal, and that's uh.
I actually had a thought too, because I grew up like playing guitar and playing in punk bands and like coming up through Tampa.
And I'm like really curious about like what it's like being a rapper, like going through the DIY scene and like what it's like to just learn how to rap and actually be good at that.
Like how do you, how do you do that?
Honestly, it's a gift, bro.
It's a gift.
Like it's a gift, but at the same time, it is like practice.
Like, you know, for me, I felt like I was a natural for sure.
Because really, like when my homies introduced me to rapping, I wasn't even rapping at the time.
They was like, my homie Skinny.
Actually, I know him from since middle school, Lil Scumbag, too.
And that's where the name Scumbag came from.
We was all in a group.
Homies from back in middle school.
So my homie was like, yo, I'm starting this rap group.
I want you to be in it.
I was like, man, I don't know how to rap, whatever, whatever.
He was like, it don't even matter, bro.
Like, just be in it to be cool.
You know what I'm saying?
So I was like, all right, cool.
You know, not knowing shit.
So I hopped in the studio for the first time and I was a natural dude.
And I mean, I just stuck with it.
I stuck with it and, you know, it worked out.
Like, what really worked for me is just getting the reassurance.
Like, even if I say this all the time, but I'm like, yo, all of that old shit I made was so trash, but they was gassing me up.
You know what I'm saying?
So I feel like what fueled my shit was just the confidence that they gave me.
Like, yo, this shit is fire.
Like, this shit is crazy.
I was like, for real?
You like this?
You know what I'm saying?
So, yeah, man.
And that, like, being fueled just those good compliments and, you know, a combination of that and just me believing in myself, like, it, you know, it made me want to get better.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Hell yeah, bro.
So it's not, it is a gift, but at the same time, anybody can just, you know, just with anything like basketball, sports, like learning an instrument, you know, whatever, you can get better at it, you know.
Did you always, when you approached it first, did you just, like, hop in the studio with a, with, they just like played a couple beats for you and you just started, just started freestyling?
Or did you actually try to write something first, the first, the first time you ever tried it?
Uh, I had already had some written out.
I'd already had some written out, I probably.
I wrote this probably like two days after um Skinny had told me he was gonna book me a studio.
So I was like well, I gotta be prepared, I don't want to just go in there and say some yeah.
So yeah, man literally got me in the studio.
I'm spitting like Bitch, I'm fucking, oh my God, what did I say?
Bitch, I'm fucking flexing on these hoes like I'm pushing weight.
And then, yeah, like I could hear them in the background because we were like in a closet.
Like, well, I was in a closet and then they was like in the bedroom right next to the closet.
So it was at somebody's house.
It wasn't like a studio.
It was just like a microphone in the closet.
Yeah, man, fucking mattresses on the wall and shit.
Padded, padded, padded wall.
They got the towel under the bed.
Right, dude.
All of that, dude.
So, dude, I'm hearing everybody in the room.
I'm hearing them through my headphones.
They're so loud.
They're like, yo, this shit is crazy.
I was like, for real?
So, yeah, man.
I came in there prepared.
A lot of my shit is written.
I can freestyle really good, too, but I like to relax and just write shit down, like physically on paper.
I can do the notes.
I got hella raps in my notes, but there's no better feeling than just the way your fucking fingers glides across the paper when you write some fire shit.
It makes you think about it differently because you're like there's something different between just like tapping a screen and then actually writing the words in the way that it registers with your brain.
It kind of like makes it sink in a little bit more and helps you think about it a little bit deeper.
Yeah.
What's dope is I have this book I got from Barnes and Noble's a few months ago.
It's called, it's a book on like writer's block and like creative block and shit like that.
And they was talking about, you know, what type of exercises you can do to stimulate your brain and shit.
And basically there's this one exercise where they say just get a piece of paper and just literally whatever you're thinking of, just write it.
Just write it out.
Just continuous thoughts.
Don't stop thinking and don't stop writing.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's what makes you a better rapper or a freestyler at the same time.
You know what I'm saying?
And usually it starts out like the first 15, 20 minutes of writing is just bullshit, nothing, meaningless shit.
Then eventually it just gets into something that's good and has some meat to it.
Yeah, yeah.
Hell yeah.
My favorite thing about you is that you don't take yourself too seriously.
You just rap about whatever, whatever the fuck you want.
NASCAR, Joe Dirt, Carol Baskin, Coronavirus.
All the shit that we love.
Salem's Chicken and Fries.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God, dude.
I'm so influenced by so much stuff, man.
I feel like that's what makes me so relatable because I rap about Yu Gi Oh.
I rap about.
You know what I'm saying?
I tweet all day long about bullshit, but it's so relatable.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, oh my God, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but like I'll tweet like, oh my God, I'll tweet like, I'll tweet like, I don't know, but I want to be as transparent with my fans as possible to where they feel like, you know what I'm saying, like I'm normal, you know what I'm saying, like there's nothing worse than like an artist, you know, feeling, you know,
like artists feeling like they're untouchable or like they're like just.
You know what I'm saying?
Fuck that, man.
Yeah.
I want artists.
I want my fans to feel like, you know what I'm saying?
They can have a beer with me.
Like you're one of them.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you're building a community.
You're not building a kingdom where it's just like, this is all about me and you're here for me.
This is for us.
Right, right, dude.
Because when I win, my fans win, man.
And I thank them all the time.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just reassurance.
You guys are the best.
Because shit, I could be working a nine to five right now, man.
Grateful every day every day I wake up.
I'm like, oh Dang I don't got to work nine to five Like when shit yo when shit get rough.
I'm like damn man like that's cuz Really when I was younger doing this shit.
I was like yo, like Can I make this a career?
You know saying cuz when I first started I was I was juggling the job and the rap shit.
You know I'm saying so This is a thing that a lot of people go through when they first start is like damn like when do I like Quit my job and fully pursue this and there's a lot of anxiety and fear You know saying behind that like oh like but I'm not making enough money doing the music shit to quit the job.
You know saying trading dreams for securities.
Yeah, man, but it's it's it's it's tough man, but once you set on that bro You good man.
It's my advice to any upcoming artist man follow that shit.
There's never a good time to quit your job.
Yeah, you just got to do it.
No, you just got to fucking do it man Because really, like, when I knew exactly when I wanted to quit, dude, it was my first label meeting.
So I had a meeting with a label in New York, and I took, like, a week off of work, and me and Pablo had went out to New York.
Where were you working?
Nordstrom Rack.
Okay.
Nordstrom Rack, man.
But we had went to New York.
We was out there for, like, a week, came back, you know what I'm saying?
And I was like, damn, yo, like.
I can't do this, bro.
Like, I was just in New York, like, at a label meeting.
Like, I can't fucking, you know what I'm saying?
Like, it was just, like, it kind of did something to my ego in a way.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it was like, damn, like, I'm here getting bossed around, you know?
Like, they don't know that I was just up there, like, doing this.
And, like, I don't know.
It fed into the, you know, the hunger.
And I was like, nah, I can't do this no more.
So you came back?
I came.
I turned in the keys.
I came back with just a whole new confidence, man.
Like, Fuck this job, man.
I'm doing this music shit.
Like, for real.
And, you know, all the ARs at the office, you know what I'm saying?
And just seeing, like, just everybody else that was signed to this label and just shaking all these hands.
And it was so, like, because that was my first time seeing any of that shit.
And it was like, yo, like, this is what's happening right now.
All right, like, I can do this.
You know what I'm saying?
So, hell yeah.
NASCAR Memes And Crossover Music00:07:57
What is Silly Rabbit?
What is this?
What is this stuff you got here?
All right, so Silly Rabbit.
The name came from a lyric to one of my songs.
Jelly and Jelly, I had said, silly rabbit, you can't have it.
I got carrot to my tooth.
So we just took that lyric and was like, yo, this would be a pretty good idea to turn this into a beer and put trick cereal in the beer.
You know what I'm saying?
Like at first, it just sounded so crazy, but I was like, you know what?
This is going to be a really good idea because, you know, one thing with alcohol is like, you know, not everybody likes to drink beer.
Like, you know, there's a lot of people that just don't like the taste of beer.
You could definitely make some weed called silly rabbit too.
Right, smoke one joint, turn you silly.
But yeah, like what with this?
It was kind of like, you know, like wanted to make some that uh, you know, anybody could drink.
You know i'm saying not necessarily just a beer like a pilsner, like people don't like that gritty bitter, you know piss yeah, type of taste.
You know what i'm saying.
So with a silly rabbit, it was like all right, like this tastes like juice, like it literally tastes like juice.
You know, it looks delicious, like the milk after you eat some, yeah, it's really good, bro.
It's really like honestly, it creeps up on you, like the because it's a how much percent is it because I forgot.
Those are tall boys, too.
Who do you brew this with?
It's a 5.5 percent.
So, this is yeah, so like a Bud Light is like 4.3, 4.1 or something, but uh, it's brewed with Hidden Springs, Hidden Springs Brewery.
They're out in Tampa, right?
Yeah, yeah, they're uh, right before you get to downtown.
Um, they're right next to a YMCA in a, in a um, like an Oriental market.
Okay yeah, that's sick.
So this is just like one of the many things that you have for for merch, right?
Yeah, you got like a whole merch empire online.
Yeah man, I got, I got the condoms, I got the hand sanitizer and those are the big baby comebacks.
Right yeah, the comebacks bro, that was always, that was always like an inside joke.
Yeah, it was always, it was always like an inside joke.
How did that joke come to?
Come to live, dude?
Like, okay, so I would see fans be like, How is his name pronounced?
Like, because on Twitter, on my Twitter handle, it's all like all caps, all big baby scumbags.
So it's like, you know, I'm saying that S right there could get kind of, you know, I'm saying, take it or leave it, you know, it's up to you.
You don't know where that S really goes in the name, right?
Right, right, right.
It was always like an inside joke on Twitter and Instagram, like, damn, like, is it baby's comeback, you know.
So, you know, that was kind of just like a, that was honestly, that was like a troll for like my fans.
Cause at first I wasn't going to put those out.
You know, I just threw the idea out there one day and I was like, you know what?
I'm going to actually make some condoms.
Yeah.
And yeah, nah, they did really good.
What's up?
Do you take a lot of suggestions from people on Twitter to make stuff?
Or on social media in general?
Do you interact with them and they like give you ideas that you kind of run with?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I try to be.
A little more authentic though.
Yeah.
Cause like fans, bro, fans are quick to be like, oh yeah, I gave you that idea.
Give me credit.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
So, yeah, I try not to feed into like fans' ideas like that.
You know what I'm saying?
Unless it's like a really good one.
Because yo, like there's been a bunch of shit that I've came out with or like do like certain lines like certain lyrics, bro that I've had in my songs and like fans would be like, oh, you stole that from my song that I made a week ago Even though your song is like months old.
You so hilarious.
So yeah, dude.
I try not to like as far as ideas like I don't really You know take them from from from from people suggesting them like I just I try to come up me and my team me Pablo My DJ, DJ Chuck, Lil Scum, Sonny Fritz, you know, I'll talk amongst them and be like, yo, like, what you think about this or what you think about this, you know what I'm saying?
And if the homies fuck with it, I know everybody else gonna fuck with it, you know what I'm saying?
So that matters, man.
Hell yeah.
Yes, sir.
So who did you take most of your inspiration from when you decided to create this big, baby scumbag brand that you've created?
Where did you take most of your inspiration from?
Ah, man.
Honestly.
This goes back to me just being a kid and like, just like make pretending I had my own brand of shit.
And like, you know what I'm saying?
Just kind of going back to like being in like the third grade, fourth grade and like playing Yu-Gi-Oh cards and shit.
You know what I'm saying?
I had to put the dragon on it.
You know what I'm saying?
And like that, the logo is a playoff of like those trucker logos, like a Mac logo.
You know what I'm saying?
Where it's like the bulldog circle around it with Mac.
You know what I'm saying?
A lot of the shit I put out is just the influence of shit that I fucked with when I was younger.
Like the skateboards, for instance.
Like a lot of the skateboards and shit, just trucker hats.
The trucker hats, I was influenced by NERD.
Like Pharrell was wearing the trucker hats with the brain, the NERD brain logo on it.
You know what I'm saying?
I want to make hockey jerseys, dude.
I was wearing so many hockey jerseys back in high school, man.
Like I had a fucking collection of them.
And you got all like the NASCAR stuff too.
Yeah, yeah.
Hell yeah.
That's really big on you.
Like, dude, with NASCAR, it was kind of a thing.
Like, I was always going to the thrift store and shit.
And, like, you know us, like, being out here in Florida, like, it was like NASCAR capital.
Yeah.
So.
They sell it at the gas stations.
Yeah, no, like, it's everywhere.
So it's.
Right next to the butterfly knives.
It's inevitable, bro.
So, like, I became a NASCAR fan without even realizing it because I was getting.
I was buying these shirts just because.
They look cool.
I was like damn like these shirts are fire and shit and then like I'm gonna say around like 2014 One of my homies black Cray at that at that time I wasn't even rapping I wasn't even rapping yet, but black Cray had put out a song called Daytona 500 He had put out two he had put out a handful of songs that was like NASCAR reference, you know I'm saying and like I was like damn, yo,
This shit is tight, like you know i'm saying somebody else is into this Nascar too, like I am, you know what i'm saying, let alone like somebody that I really with musically.
So it just fueled the flame of all right, like i'm gonna take, i'm gonna take the Nascar somewhere for real.
Yeah, it's kind of like your.
Your music is like a crossover of meme culture.
You know what I mean for sure, for sure, like my music is.
My music is a product of my everyday thoughts.
What I watch on tv um, Movies, video games, pop culture, cartoons, lifestyle, all that shit, man.
All that shit in one fucking boiling pot, and I stir it up, and all of my songs is just like, this is a view into my world.
Dan Disappears In Nebraska00:14:50
You feel me?
My girl will tell you, Tiger King, when that came out, I was strictly Tiger King.
I didn't want to watch nothing else but Tiger King.
Tiger King.
Yeah, you got to finish it before you start something else.
Yeah, no, for sure.
Five times.
Right after I finished the Tiger King.
King.
I was like yo cuz, what's so crazy about that shit?
Dude, is like I didn't know.
Like so I knew about BIG CAT Rescue.
I used to live like 10 minutes from BIG CAT but like I never knew like all that shit was happening is not crazy.
You know, I'm saying so.
I was like dude, like I gotta make a song about Joey.
I feel like it's a ride, like what.
Like I'm from Tampa dude, I gotta do this.
That's the craziest thing about like around here, this area I mean Florida in general, but this area for sure.
There's like so many things like that, like BIG CAT Rescue, you lived there forever.
You always drove past it, but you never knew that crazy story behind it.
Never knew about Carol Baskin and just that whole shit.
And what's crazy, dude, is that there's kind of like a theory.
And, you know, there's this one scene on Tiger King, and Carol Baskin is talking about walking down Nebraska Avenue.
Yeah.
Now, anybody familiar with Tampa knows what Nebraska Avenue is.
You know, could you describe Nebraska Avenue?
Yeah, what is Nebraska?
Nebraska Avenue is just very sketchy.
It's a very sketchy street, you know.
Uh, it's where a lot of uh, you know, prostitution goes down.
You know what i'm saying.
So in Tiger King, Carol Baskin uh, she had said yeah, like i'm walking down Nebraska to clear my head this and that, and um, her husband uh well, he wasn't her husband uh, at that time, but Dan, he was driving down that street and just picked her up right, told her to hop in.
You know what I'm saying.
Dan's a millionaire.
And he gave her a gun.
Yeah, point this at me.
You know what I'm saying?
Some, you know, hey, I don't know, man.
But that relationship was doomed from the start.
Carol Baskin, hey, Carol Baskin might have been a prostitute, dude.
You never know, man.
She very well could have been.
What are your feelings on Carol Baskin now that some time has passed?
You've maybe had some time to reflect.
Do you still feel the way that you did in your song?
Anna, she did it.
She did that shit.
She did that shit, man.
Really?
What?
She did.
Because what's so crazy is, like, dude, like, a lot of that shit just.
Doesn't add up, but then, at the now, one thing.
One thing that is kind of weird though, is like uh uh, one of Dan's friends was on the show and his friend was saying that, like the day before he disappeared, Dan was like yo, like uh, if I can pull this off, this will be the slickest thing i've ever done in my life.
It was like what I think here's, here's how I look at it.
If he was the kind of dude who's gonna drive down Nebraska, pick up some and give her a gun and say, point this at me, I need someone to talk to.
Yeah, You're the same kind of dude who's going to take off to Costa Rica.
Yeah.
And you're going to be, you know, living with a new hooker every day.
You got a whole new name.
That was a time in America when you could still just disappear yourself.
There's no phones.
You could still pay with cash for everything.
You didn't need credit cards.
He probably paid people off along the way.
He's living large.
He's living in a house with like 14 underage girls in Costa Rica.
Bunch of tigers.
Bunch of tigers.
For real.
But see, that's the crazy part, man, because.
Carol Baskin was doing a lot of sketchy shit, man.
So it's like, I don't know, man.
And then even Dan's family was saying how Carol basically threatened to cut them off.
You know what I'm saying?
If they talked to the media and, you know what I'm saying, did all this, I was like, oh, no, dude.
Yeah, man.
That's a weird conspiracy.
Well, they opened up the case again, didn't they?
They opened up the investigation.
So I don't know what the latest is on that.
What's the latest development?
It just seems too obvious.
It just seems way too obvious.
Yeah, man.
I mean, the lions.
Like, come on.
Or tigers.
What the fuck?
Yo, like, what's crazy about Big Cat Rescue 2 is, like, dude, like, it's, you know, being from Tampa, like, you know, shit is, like, literally right in front of your face, like dude.
I was at Public's the other day and there was two people there that had big cat rescue volunteer shirts on what you know what.
I'm saying, what color?
They were red.
Oh okay, what is that level?
I think that's newbie level.
Noobs yeah, those are noobs.
They're making so many.
I've looked I took a double take.
Yeah man, Free Joe.
Exotic man, yeah, Free Joe.
What's his.
What's up with him?
Didn't he get the coronavirus?
I don't know something like what's up with him?
You have no idea.
He just kind of disappeared, He did.
Yo, they was saying he caught that shit.
I mean, shit.
I think he's healthy now.
I hope so.
You know what?
If y'all go to his Instagram.
He's got his husband running it.
Yeah, yeah.
Yo, like, they're posting, like, memes of, like, the.
What's the dude's name that took over the park?
Oh, yeah.
I forgot his name.
I forgot, but they're posting memes of him.
They're trying to, like, blackmail him now.
You know what I'm saying?
They're trying to take him.
They're doing, like, the same smear campaign they were doing for Carol.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now they're trying to take him down.
So Joe Exotic's whole Instagram is just like, yeah, like he's doing shady shit.
Like he needs to be in jail too.
It's crazy, dude.
I thought he was going to get pardoned for a second.
By Trump?
Yeah, really?
Yeah, man.
I thought what's crazy is like he doesn't have bail.
I don't think he has bail because I looked up his network, dude.
Joe Exotic is stacked.
Is he really?
Yeah, man.
You got to have money to be flipping those kind of little tigers.
I don't think he got bail.
I think he got to do that to Tom or something, bro, because.
Yeah no he's, he's stacked something's up with.
That whole situation doesn't add up.
No, it definitely doesn't add up.
Hey man, Free Joe Exotic, he ain't do nothing man, for real.
Oh, so do you make your own memes that you put, like you're really active on twitter?
Yeah, so how do you come like, how do you come up with memes and and how do you like, where do you find them and how do you curate them you were talking about?
Yeah, i'm curious, like how do you find memes now, like what you're?
You're in your 20s, right?
I'm 32.
I'm a little old for the internet.
So, like, my meme resource is like middle class, fancy, and shithead Steve.
And anytime I try to go on like 4chan, all I end up with is like gaping buttholes.
And it's just like, I can't find anything on there that doesn't disgust me.
I don't do 4chan.
Like, so where do you find memes and like that aren't just that?
Honestly, I either make them myself or like I got a bunch of homies that like I just text back and forth, just dumbass shit.
And like, I just.
Do you know Savage Realm?
Savage Realm.
No.
Okay.
He's funny as his memes are fucking hilarious.
I thought I thought cuz you guys are kind of like on the same meme level You guys are like I might recognize you guys are on that tier.
Yeah, yeah, I might recognize his shit if I see it But uh, yeah, nah, dude like I usually get my memes from the homies or like I make my own shit like in-house stuff.
Yeah, nah like I just I have one like album in my in my phone like one camera roll just full of like just the dumbest shit ever dude like uh, like dude like that uh, not to go back to Joe Zotic, but that that slideshow That slideshow video where it has the lyrics on the top and the bottom.
Yeah, that's amazing.
I had a homie of mine that works at a zoo in Florida.
Me and him were just sending pictures back and forth.
So, like, of, like, joke-tatic memes and shit.
So, like, really, it didn't take no effort to make that slideshow thing.
I just threw it, because I already had all the pictures I did.
I just threw the legs on it, like, boom.
But, yeah, nah, I make all of my memes myself, dude.
Like, I use, like, a bunch of, like, video editing apps and, you know what I'm saying?
Little photo editing apps, whatever.
I mean, it's honestly, it's trial and error, though.
Because, like, it's just like being a comedian.
Like, if you're doing stand-up, I watch a lot of stand-up, too.
You know, comedians bomb all the time.
You know what I'm saying?
I'll post some shit.
It's no love at all.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's a part of making content.
You know what works and you know what doesn't work, you know.
And you know pretty quick.
Right, right.
So it's just finding that balance, dude.
So, yeah, man.
I'm still working at it because I'm not the best.
Do you do all the editing on your phone?
Yeah.
Everything from my phone, really.
I just I just downloaded this program on my laptop uh, a couple days ago, so i'm still trying to, still toying around with it, trying to see what works and what doesn't work uh, but yeah, for the most part, everything's off the phone.
They make it easy to to design off your phone.
Now you don't even need a computer for photoshopping.
There's so many second-party apps that you can use to just do.
On dude, I got a Chromebook, bro.
Like you know what i'm saying.
Like everything is off my phone.
Those things are pretty legit.
Yeah, like you bro, like People think you need, like this fancy, like Mac laptop.
You know what I'm saying?
Nah, dude.
Like that goes with recording, bro.
With recording.
Yeah.
Like a lot of my first songs were like recorded with fucking iPhone earphones, bro.
And like the fucking the microphone shit.
I was like.
Yeah.
On the headphones.
Yeah.
I was fucking talking to the mic, dude.
Yeah.
When people start out, a lot of people just get super attached to the equipment and they think they need like before they can do anything, they just need to have the best stuff.
It's just like an excuse to like wait longer.
You know what I mean?
I can't I gotta get that microphone.
I need to get that cameras do you use?
I need that video camera.
I don't have the latest Photoshop.
Yeah, yeah, bro.
You think like that you're not gonna get shit done ever, bro.
That's that's so toxic man procrastination dude like yeah, like I gotta get this in order to do that and blah blah blah like it just hinds the creative process Yeah, When it hinds the creative process.
And two, like you know I'm saying, when it comes to ideas and shit.
You know, there's a lot of times uh, there's been a lot of times when, like me and Paulo would be shooting, and like we would, I would, I would be like yo, we got to shoot this.
Like right now like you know what i'm saying like, I feel like if we wait on this, the idea is gonna get stale.
Yeah, not gonna feel like you know what i'm saying, not feel as excited shooting this.
Yeah yeah man, because you can plan and you can plan and you can plan and like yeah, you go shoot that plan, but we were in the moment.
You have to recognize those opportunities for creativity that you can't see unless you're like, in the middle of it.
Yeah, and if you're waiting for, you know, all the equipment and everything to be perfect, then you're never gonna get started and you're never gonna do anything worthwhile.
You gotta start somewhere, man.
Everybody gotta start somewhere.
You know what i'm saying.
Like uh, a lot of people, a lot of people that uh that, that you know that that that uh, that got their sound, their signature sound.
It was from using bad studio equipment and it just became their sound.
You know what i'm saying.
Like a lot of this, uh.
This references back to, like skateboarding videos.
Like there's a lot of people uh, There's a lot of skate photographers now and filmers that still use the same equipment that they were using in the early 2000s.
You know what I'm saying?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it because that's just their style of shit.
Like a lot of filmers are VX100.
Yeah, like William Strobeck or Spike Jonze.
There's like running shit now, but they started out with like the worst equipment ever.
Yeah.
But that's the style now.
Yeah, that's the style, man.
Like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, dude.
Like, it's just that nostalgic, you know what I'm saying?
Shitty basement, you know, 3-6 Mafia.
A lot of my shit that I do now.
Okay, I'll be right back.
Crab's here.
Keep it going.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
Oh, we got some Crab Boy.
It's going to be awesome.
A lot of my shit that I do now, I'll tell my engineer, I'm like, yo, this shit sounds too good.
Like, it sounds too, like.
Too polished.
Too clear.
And he's like, what the fuck does that mean?
It doesn't sound shitty enough.
I'll be like, yo, like, it sounds too crispy, man.
Like, distort it just a little bit.
Yeah.
Whereas I get the speakers rattling a little bit.
Yeah, like, throw something on it, dude.
Yeah, man.
I feel like it adds characteristic, too, you know?
So, yeah, dude.
I feel like at the same time, though, it's whatever works for you personally.
Because, you know what I'm saying?
There's a lot of people that have, you know, crispy clear vocals.
You know I'm saying crispy clear music videos and everything is just perfect.
You know what I'm saying.
But there's some artists where you love like the nitty gritty.
Like you know, I'm saying, you know type shit, so take each his own.
I think the nitty gritty stuff is what you were saying earlier about, like being accessible to your fans, and when you keep it at that level, you make it more approachable and it feels more human.
Yeah, whereas like stuff, like anything that like Drake is doing, where it's like that's so unobtainable and if you're waiting to look and sound like that, then you're never gonna do anything.
Nah dude, because like those guys, like Drake they, they look at the underground.
You know what i'm saying.
They're like, oh, what can I steal?
They, you right right, they take from the underground.
So it's like, don't try and be like these big dudes, because they're trying to be like us.
Yeah, they're trying to steal what you're doing, so be yourself, and then maybe one day Drake can rip you off.
Yeah right yeah, nah aka, isn't he like making songs for like tick tock dances now?
Yeah yeah nah, actually I want to make a tick tock dance too.
My girl been uh putting me onto a tick tock lately, because i'm not on tick tock at all.
So uh, I was like, damn, like, I need to make it, like, a little TikTok.
What would a big baby scumbag dance be?
Just be like, you just go left.
I don't know.
Go fast and go left.
It would have something to do with beer, like, the shotgun.
Like, that's the dance.
I don't know.
I'm not that coordinated.
I can't really dance like that.
Yeah.
Like, there's, bro, with TikTok, there's so many, like, choreography steps.
And, like, there's so much shit to do.
There's a new one every week.
Yeah, not, or, like, honestly, though, it's, like, the same five dances, but it's just, like they're in different orders.
I love the way that they dance.
So there's so much emphasis on like every movie.
Yeah, nah, hey.
Hey, man.
But yeah, nah, like TikTok is lit.
TikTok is for sure.
It's where it's at.
If you're like doing memes and promoting yourself through social media, you kind of have to be reacting to everything that's coming out, whether it was like Vine, which is dead now.
But luckily, like Instagram, Twitter, everything stuck around like that for you.
And now it's like, you know, you take a risk every time you go on a new platform because, like, will it tank in a couple of years?
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But is that.
Risk worth it for you to invest the time, you know.
Back in the day, bro, MySpace like I would have never thought we'd live in a world where MySpace don't exist, right?
What MySpace was the shit.
Thank you, bro.
This looks beautiful, dude.
They lost it though.
Once they had a top 16, really top eight was like that was that was legitimate, but like once you get top 32, you know, it's too much.
You're trying to make it for everybody at that point, you know, you start to lose it, bro.
You know, it's funny.
So on my top eight, right?
So there was there was these accounts, right?
So I would set my top eight to say D's nuts.
So like there was one account that was like D you add D as a friend, you add E as a friend, add E as a friend, Z.
So you just make fake accounts and you T no, like this was like real.
Like I got this from a homie of mine's that had these nuts as his top eight.
I was like I'm gonna add these nuts too, and like I put the shit in the order.
Oh my bro, look at this dude, this is from Krispy KRAB.
Krispy KRAB.
Yo, this is crazy.
We're going to turn this to a seafood eating contest.
Hell yeah.
Good after.
There's a shitload of paper towels down here.
I got one of the legs open.
I'm not as bad as I thought.
You want an egg?
How's the crab?
Decent?
What is that, an egg?
Yeah, it's an egg.
That was pretty.
See, I can't open, like towards the claw that's the easy part.
Yeah, it gets like kind of difficult with these cuz the shell so soft.
Yeah Dude I Was watching castaway and like The the scene where he had finally got like a spear right and he fucking stabs the crab and he picks it up and it just like oozes out like oh, yeah fucking guts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like liquid crab meat and then yo survivor No, a castaway.
Castaway, man.
Let's call it Survivor.
My boy was out there for four years eating crab legs, man.
What was funny was like what was funny was when he actually came back after those four years and he was at like that welcome home party or whatever.
Yeah.
There was a big ass thing of crab legs and he looked at it.
He was like, fuck this shit.
Fuck this, dude.
I want a pub sub.
Right?
Yo, so where'd you get that crab in the Jameis Winston video?
Yeah, that seasoning looks public crabs.
Public crabs.
Oh, that's where he got it.
It looked weak.
Really?
Damn, I forgot what it looked like, honestly.
It was just like he got it straight out of the cabinet.
Yeah, nah.
Publics, right?
Huh?
What was the Publics?
Yeah, that's where Jameis stole it from, Publics.
It was the Publics downtown.
I think you know what I'm talking about.
But, yeah, nah.
I was barely, you know what's funny?
I was barely eating those crab legs.
Low-key.
Yeah.
I got a Publics dinner.
And I was eating I was eating the hot dinner.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'd got like chicken tenders and like mac and cheese and shit.
Oh, yeah, yeah So I was eating the dinner and then Pablo and my DJ Chuck They was eating the crab legs, but I'd only took one bite for the for the video for the video.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Just for the look Man this shit is messy son.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I got one napkin over here That's gonna serve as my plate Luke for your laptop Just use your nose for the mouse pads.
No, it's cool.
I'll just crab it.
The crab works.
It's touch sensitive.
The boiled peanuts are pretty fire, too.
The boiled peanuts are fire.
Yeah, man.
I love boiled peanuts, dude.
I love boiled peanuts.
Like, you can't find boiled peanuts nowhere else.
Like, they got them in, like, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, like, Louisiana.
Anywhere else?
Nah.
You're not going to find boiled peanuts in fucking California, New York.
No.
No, not at all.
They're gonna look at you.
Definitely a southern thing.
They're gonna look at you like you're fucking crazy, man.
They've got rid of all the crock pots, though, at the gas stations.
You can't get them anymore.
You know what?
Not you know.
The virus?
Yeah.
But you can't just have like a crock pot sitting out unattended at all hours of the day with a dirty ass spoon next to it for you to get.
I just now, you know what?
I just now realized that you're right.
Yeah.
Damn, that's crazy.
I tried to get some the other day, but the guy looked at me like I was an idiot.
They'll have that same crock pot.
I won't be surprised if like.
Never cleaned.
Never cleaned to perfection.
That's what makes it so good.
It's been sitting there for like 10 years.
It's probably that the same set of boiled peanuts are in there all fucking weekend.
Yeah.
If it's not emptied out.
Guaranteed.
Yeah, nah.
They've never changed the water, and that's what makes it so good.
Right.
When you get like a real dark one, it's like real crusty on the outside.
They've been marinating and shit.
That's when you know it's going to be a good batch.
Yeah, nah.
I used to, bro, I used to.
So, in my old neighborhood, there was the ice cream man, but like he didn't only have like ice cream.
He had like fucking empanadas and like pickled sausage, like pickled eggs, and like boiled peanuts and shit.
So like, yo, if you had like five bucks, you was like.
A millionaire, you could get an empanada, some boiled peanuts, ice cream, some chips and a soda, like all with five dollars, man and uh, for TOY Story, me and me and Pablo has shot a video uh, some scenes out there, and we were in uh, this sunflower field.
It was like this big ass.
Yo, the name of that sunflower field was like uh.
Thank you, dude.
Yeah, man.
That shit was beautiful.
Like, usually they have, like, the Tampa Bay Lightnings logo.
Like, if you was, like, in the helicopter or some shit, and you look down at it, it would be, like, go boats.
It would be a logo that says go boats.
Yeah, no, man.
I love Brooksville, dude.
You ever think about doing a country album?
I feel like it's in you.
It's in the works, man.
Really?
On the Dale Earnhardt album you put out, you had that one country song.
Toy Story.
Yeah, oh, that's the one, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, it's in the works, man.
Like, uh, at first, I was on some shit where, you know, I was making, uh.
Did you get a plate?
I got a single paper towel.
Dude.
I didn't know you had plates.
Thank you.
Yo, this sausage is hella good.
The sausage is where it's at.
Nah, this shit's fire.
But, uh, so, like, at first, with the country shit, with Toy Story, it was more so, like,.
Me making fun of country music.
Yeah, like me mocking What a country song would sound like you know, that was toy story, but the the new shit that I've been working on as of lately It's actual like okay, this is me taking it serious not like awesome like Like super country, but it's big baby scumbags take yeah, yeah, you know I'm saying like you're not gonna be doing like old town road right stuff, right?
Yeah, no, no rumor that just came out with like a new song.
He's like it's like trap country or whatever really the guy with the ski mask RMR, I don't know how to say his name.
Yeah, I have no idea.
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Anyway, yeah, it seems like it's starting to work its way more into hip-hop.
Yeah, bro.
Like it.
And not just that corny, like, honky-tonk, badonka-donk kind of stuff.
Hip-hop is becoming a lot more accepting, you know, cross-collaborating with other genres, man, because, dude, like, In the 90s?
That shit wasn't flying at all.
No, it was like Mob Deep or nothing.
90s you had to be this super lyrical hip-hop, bars Biggie Tupac, Wu-tang type rapper, bro.
If you, if you didn't have bars like that like you know what i'm saying you ain't bro, but now it's, it's very accepting, it's very like you know you can be a rapper and like talk about, you know, being influenced by Marilyn Manson, right like the, you know, like that, like you know, there isn't just the uniform look and sound anymore.
It's very accept, very accepting.
One thing that's cool about what you do, too is I see a lot of similarities to the DIY punk scene with what you do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you're just out there doing it on your own, playing wherever, whatever will have you.
Yeah, so, bro, I get a lot of that influences just from me, just growing up with kids that were part of the hardcore scene, going to the skate park.
You went to shows at Transitions?
I wasn't going to shows, but I had homies that played in bands.
That would always go there.
I was at the skate park but I wasn't going to shows at Transitions.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I appreciate that honestly.
Yeah yeah, you know what i'm saying.
I I, because he was there, I was not in the pit at all.
I, I will not.
You're pit adjacent.
Yeah no, I was not in the pit.
But yeah, like growing up in middle school you know what i'm saying middle school, high school, had a lot of homies that you know was part of hardcore bands performed at Transitions.
You know what i'm saying.
All that, and just the whole skateboarder culture mentality, all of that, it really you know what i'm saying.
It it It, uh, you know, me growing up with the shit, it made me, uh, way ahead of the curve.
I felt way ahead of the curve than like a lot of these rappers now.
That you know, a lot of these guys is just like, yeah, I'm gonna watch like a million YouTube videos of hardcore bands and now I'm gonna pretend like I've known about this shit.
Like, and now I got a Metallica shirt, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I feel like, like all the dudes and like, like, um, what's his name, Russell Westbrook.
Yeah, dude.
Every, every, Metallica, every single, like, rock band from the 90s.
NBA players, it should be like, like, I feel like there should be, like, a fine for NBA players for where it's, some of these outfits, bro, just look so crazy.
Except for LeBron and the Cavs when they won that last finals, when they were all wearing WWE shirts, they were all wearing, like, LeBron was wearing an Undertaker shirt.
Oh, shit.
And Kevin Love was wearing a Stone Cold shirt.
And like the whole like the top like four players that were all wearing like WWE shirts.
That's fire LeBron be having some fits though.
No, he was wearing an ultimate warrior shirt because they beat the Warriors.
They wore the ultimate warrior shirt LeBron be having some fits though.
What do you mean?
Some fits.
Oh outfits.
Oh outfits.
Okay.
Yeah.
Some fits.
Some fits.
Got you.
We don't know sling.
Yeah, I don't know.
We're not up to date in this thing.
I can't say sling that's been born in the past five years without just sounding corny as fuck.
It kind of it kind of made me think like damn what do I mean?
What do I mean?
This is deep.
Really scraping the barrel here.
Let me get some sausage.
Help yourself, man.
Get the sausage.
Watch the juice.
Yeah, this juice is flying around.
Do you like basketball or no?
I like basketball.
I don't keep up with it a lot.
I'm more of a football guy.
Football, NASCAR.
Yeah, all the homies watch basketball.
Yeah.
So, shit.
I fucking, I like, I'm into it, like, not even at my own will.
Like, all the homies play.
It's just there.
Just by association.
All the homies play 2K and all of that.
So, I'm in it by association.
I know you were talking about it briefly before, but what, you were saying that you just got into playing Skate 3, you said?
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
On the original Xbox?
Xbox One.
So, damn.
They came out with a version that's, like, backwards compatible.
So, you can play it either on Xbox One or the 360.
That's crazy.
I wish they would start.
I heard that they just came out.
They just released the original Tony Hawk, too.
Yeah, so that was Tony Hawk's birthday.
He announced the remaster.
So, dude, I don't think I even played the original Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.
I remember playing one of them.
I remember playing the one where you're in Tampa.
You can literally skate the fucking spaceship.
Yeah, skate park in Tampa.
They had the fucking Odyssey in it.
Didn't they have Bro Bowl in there too?
Yeah, they had Bro Bowl in there.
Yeah, yeah.
In the original?
Not in the original.
I think it was the second one.
It was one of them.
It was one of them.
But yeah, dude, that shit's so cool because I feel like now skating is coming so full force back around, bro.
Because there was a span of time when I wasn't into skating.
You know what I'm saying?
I felt like that wasn't part of me anymore, just because I wasn't like physically skateboarding right.
So like I would have felt like a poser, like you know what i'm saying.
But I mean you can check the receipts man I, I was really skating, you know what i'm saying.
So now it's just i'm i'm getting influence from all of that, but that doesn't necessarily mean I gotta be out here skating 24, 7 because I don't got time.
Yeah yeah, I don't think just because you're not, like you know, hitting handrails or skating at the park every day doesn't mean you can't appreciate the culture.
And yeah, take something from it.
Yeah yeah, because even if you're just like on the outside of it, like contributing, you know you need music to skate to.
Yeah, people need photographers right, for skateboarding.
You need videographers, you need designers right, it isn't just about the act of skateboarding, it's more of like a mindset and a culture that you can contribute to and take something away from.
And to this day man, like I don't know, I made it when, like a pro skateboarder uses my song for their part, oh yeah, has it happened?
It hasn't happened bro, like I don't know, I feel like it's coming.
There'd be like a clip on thrasher.
I saw the worst thing on Instagram yesterday.
This dude, Italio Ferrari, like one of the top five pro surfers, had like a whole surf section to a Marilyn Manson song.
And it was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.
Yeah, no.
It definitely did not go.
If I'm thinking about it, it didn't mix well.
No.
I'm thinking about a surf part.
I'm trying to hear some like groovy, like, I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
I'm not trying to like listen to some like crazy, like hardcore shit.
You're not trying to hear the beautiful people?
Me and him just got back into surfing recently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like the same thing.
Like you fall out for so long that, you know, it was a big part of who you were and who, what inspired you to be who you are today.
And you get so caught up in like the day to day of just trying to like forge your path as a creative and survive that you, those things kind of fall off.
Yeah.
But once you get comfortable and like through it a little bit, you can look back and like, oh, yeah, I did like doing that.
And that did help me get here.
Yeah, man.
It's part of you, man.
Like, like I said, dude, like I, there was one point where I feel like, man, like this isn't like, I don't skate no more.
Like, You know what I'm saying?
Like, I feel like I couldn't appreciate skateboarding as much as I wanted to at some point.
But, you know what I'm saying?
Comes back around, dude.
You realize, you know, the love that you have for it.
Like, damn, like, you know, I was looking through a bunch of my old skate videos.
You just have to, like, allow your relationship to evolve with it.
And it can't just be fixed on what it was at that certain point in your life.
Yeah, yeah.
You're totally right, man.
Is surfing hard?
Yeah, it's definitely hard.
Because I feel like some people do make it.
Look really easy.
I'd be looking at it like, damn, I could do it.
It's like one of those things where, like, you can bring a different mindset to it now.
Like, back in the day, like, I never used to even think about it.
I just was obsessed with doing it.
Like, we were just obsessed with going to travel to find amazing waves.
Just what you did.
And just go and just love doing it.
Like, I never actually tried to be good or get better.
But I feel like now, like, the part of my life that I'm in now, like, I can actually focus on it and actually try to.
Learn stuff and like improve techniques and like bring my evolution of my brain apply that to surfing like how I do everything else.
Yeah, like Have you ever surf like out in Cali or like yeah a few times?
Yeah, man like Bro, anytime I've seen like a surfing video It's out in Cali or like Hawaii.
Yeah, somewhere like that man all crazy remote places.
Hell yeah, bro just South Africa West or West the west coast of Africa.
Yeah, yeah, dude.
I want to I want to I want to try to learn how to surf man We can get you out there.
We can get you out there.
This is the time of year where we get hurricane swells in Florida.
Yeah, dude, I totally forgot about hurricane season.
They're saying this is going to be like the gnarliest hurricane season in a long time.
Oh, Lord.
I forgot it, bro.
Just wait till phase three and four of 2020.
I just got through all my corona liquor, so now I got to go get some hurricane liquor.
We're going to get pummeled by hurricanes for the next three months, and then the UFOs are going to come around November or December.
Yeah, nah, dude.
Like at the very end of 2020, bro, it's just going to be like, we're going to see a fucking UFO.
Drop down, the earth is just gonna be like, All right, I'm gonna head out later.
For real, bro, we're on fucking airplane mode right now, like the whole 2020, bro.
This shit's crazy, dude.
How is 2020 starting out for you before everything hit the fan?
Really?
All right, so 2020 for me, I'm killing this food right now.
Yeah, kill it, man.
It's making me sweat.
Are those eggs in there?
Yeah, yeah, eggs, man.
I've been dipping the eggs in the juice.
Damn.
Juicy eggs.
Oh, yeah.
But, yeah, dude.
Beginning of 2020 for me, I was just releasing Big Baby Earnhardt.
Yeah.
So, dude, my mindset was.
Full throttle.
Full throttle.
I'm about to drop this album.
The beer is coming out.
Because the beer came out the same day, Thursday night.
So the album came out that night, I believe.
So I was just geared up, ready to go for the year, man.
And, like.
I think January was pretty good.
And then I think thank you, man.
January was pretty good.
And then I think the first thing that really fucked with everybody is fucked up everybody is Kobe, dude.
Yeah, that was late.
That was late January, man.
And I think after that, 2020 was just a domino effect, dude.
And I feel like it was the energy.
It might have been just, you know, I believe in the law of attraction and just, you know.
We've been on a slippery slope ever since.
Energy and, you know, shit like that, dude.
And, you know, if it you think it just brought the collective human will down when Kobe died?
I think so, dude.
And, like, you know, the Corona shit came and then everything else.
But I feel like, you know, we got to go through the bad to get to the good, you know what I'm saying, at the same time.
So got to look at it as a, you know, glass halfway, halfway full instead of halfway empty.
You know what i'm saying.
So a lot of people think uh, you know what i'm saying.
Like the uh, the year is just gonna end like, but I mean it's, we still got six months left, man.
Six months can change your life.
Man like, who knows, I might be, if I can, out of here famous, as you know what i'm saying, end of the year.
Like who knows, dude?
Like what are you?
What are you trying to do?
What, what is you?
Do you have like a goal for one year, five years, ten years?
Like, what do you want to do with your life in the next One to five years?
I want to be entrepreneur, man.
Entrepreneur.
Definitely like music is always going to be like forefront passion.
I'm like an artist first, rapper first.
You know what I'm saying?
It's got me.
My talent rapping got me into, you know, what I'm doing now.
So I'm going to always be rapping.
But I do want to eventually like, you know, kind of branch off and just create content along the lines of, you know, just.
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Like food shit and like just I don't know like funny shit man like like same thing Andrew's doing you know not like not like interviewing or nothing like that But just having like a platform where I can just do a bunch of like silly shit.
You know I'm saying and just leave the music shit where that's at you know I mean the music is always there and that was the launching pad for your true expressions right.
Yeah man cuz like I don't want to be like my 30s You know what I'm saying?
He's checking the AC because it's a million degrees in here.
Oh, wow.
What's up?
This is Big Baby Scumbag.
That's Curtis.
Curtis, would you want some crab or a Bud Light?
Yeah, we got Bud Light and crab legs.
Yeah, man.
You're welcome.
We got sausage, boiled peanuts, white claw, corn.
Corn.
Can't help you there.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
We go to timeout and check for you, though.
Pinellas Park's like 20 minutes away from here.
Oh, yeah.
But, uh,.
God damn, these mussels are delicious.
Yeah, the mussels are fire.
Shout out Crispy Crab.
Crispy Crab.
Always coming through.
Crispy Crab with a K.
They big-timed us on Instagram, didn't they?
No, they commented on us.
I mean, they kind of big-timed us.
We, like, shouted them out and they, like, liked the comment.
If I did something, they didn't follow back, though.
They didn't follow back.
She wants some mussels.
Dude, I'll go to Mr. and Mrs. Crab and get, like, a pound of crawfish and kill that shit.
And they just give it to you in, like, a grocery bag, right?
It's a big ass bag.
Yeah, not really big ass grocery bag.
And like they give you like a bucket with like gloves and shit.
But I want to I like to get my fingers you want to yeah, nah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck the gloves man, fuck a plate, fuck the gloves.
I don't even bro, like I don't even use the bib because they give you like a bib.
Yeah, you know, I'm saying fuck that too, bro.
Like I'm I'm in there, bro.
Fingernails dirty, all that.
You don't do it while you're playing video games though, right?
You do while you're playing video games, eat the fucking crawfish while you're playing like skate three.
I can't.
No, bro.
Like, what was like the biggest pet peeve for me when I was a kid playing video games with my brother, my older brother?
And, like, he would be so messy, like, eating Hot Pockets and fucking grabbing the controller.
There's, like, Hot Pocket juice all on the fucking joystick and shit.
Yeah, like, I can't do it.
How do you eat a Hot Pocket and play video games?
I mean, that's not even that bad, a Hot Pocket.
Or, like, a pizza roll, like, the fucking, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, your hands are still getting greasy as shit.
There's fucking pizza roll grease all on the controller and shit.
Chances are there's a mountain down there.
This kid that we know, he's a professional Fortnite player.
He eats crab just like this from Krispy Krab while he's playing Fortnite.
Like he plays on the computer so you got like the keyboard and the mouse and he's got like the full-on like Garbage bag over his body with the holes in it for his arms.
That's badass.
Pretty sick.
Yo, I've seen this picture of this kid He's playing fortnight and like he has his feet like his toes are like pointing up against the wall like his back is up against the wall like this and like he's like it's kind of like some airbender shit, bro the way he's playing what?
He's just levitating like bro like my nephews are really good at that game, too.
Are they?
They eat, sleep, breathe Fortnite, bro.
Like, they, bro, they'll, what?
You ever play?
Shit is crazy.
I'm all right.
I'm all right.
Are you?
I'm all right.
But it's like, I got to already, like, be playing for a little bit.
Like, I got to warm up for sure.
Yeah, yeah.
I got to warm up to it.
But my nephews, they'll be on that shit all day.
Like, literally, like, when they come stay with me for a couple nights, bro, they'll be up until, like, 5 o'clock in the morning.
Yeah.
Yelling on the microphone.
I'm like, bro, like.
It's so addicting, that fucking game, man.
Hey, man, that game, man.
Like, I don't remember a game like that when we were younger.
How about the Travis Scott concert?
James Bond.
Oh, yeah.
64 Gold Night.
Halo was for sure, yeah.
I think Gears, Halo.
Yeah, Gears and Halo was like the game of my generation where kids were just.
Gears 1?
Crazy.
What about Quake?
Quake?
That might have been early 2000s.
Yeah, yeah.
That was probably not.
Yeah, yeah.
That was like, my era was like 2006, 2007.
Yeah.
And then Splinter Cell.
I was really addicted to Splinter Cell.
Yeah, I gave it a six.
Yeah, yeah.
Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six.
Yep, yep.
Tom Clancy games.
Yeah, all that shit, bro.
Bro, I got a PS1 and I have the original Rainbow Six.
And, like, bro, like, I'm stuck on the first one.
I'm like, what the fuck do you do, bro?
So, yeah, no, I gave up on that shit.
But, nah, it's a pretty, like, I love old school games, but a lot of old school games, they're very like, like boring, stale.
I mean, like back then, I'm pretty sure it was like the coolest shit ever.
But like, I'll play like, what game, for instance?
Oh, my God.
I was playing NAA like 97.
NAA basketball in 97.
Oh, my God.
Or some shit.
And I was like, yo, this.
There's nothing like 2K.
No.
We're far away from 2K.
We're far away from 2K right now.
Some of those old games are super hard, though.
I still love playing all the old Mega Mans.
And I have the Legacy Collection.
I've gotten it for every system I've ever gotten.
So I've gotten it for PS2, PS3.
I got it for Nintendo Switch.
And I'm probably going to get it for PS4.
But there's just something really comforting about visiting those old games that you grew up with that you could beat with your eyes closed.
Yeah, bro.
They're really nice.
My homie's really into Mega Man.
He has one of those for the PS2.
And, like, he can beat the shit.
Like you said, with his eyes closed.
They just run through it.
That's wild.
Yo, how are you doing this right now?
The music is super underrated on that stuff, too.
Yeah, man.
Like, a lot of what's cool is when I got into so, like, I was into Zelda.
Like, I was in the like, I was like a little bit into Legend of Zelda.
They're super into Zelda, too.
Breath of the Wild.
Did you play it for Switch?
Oh, no, I haven't.
That's the only game I haven't played for the Switch.
Dude.
Surprisingly.
I've probably put in like 200 hours on that game.
It's so good.
Have you beat it?
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Like, are you doing like.
Yeah, I beat it.
Okay, okay.
But there's like, you know, it's just like any game like that.
There's so many different ways you can beat it.
You can just like work through it.
Or you can just fuck off and do all the side quests and like cook food for two hours.
Dude, like I was a fan of Legend of Zelda.
Like I was playing it a little bit.
And then what's cool is like when I started getting into music and like hearing certain beats and I'm like, oh shit, that's from that video game where like my homies will get me into anime, like certain animes.
And then I'll hear beats or shit and be like, yo, that's where that came from.
Like a keyboard sound yeah, like it'll be this, it'll be the most like minuscule thing.
And i'm like yo, that sounds really like i'll be watching anime with my girl and like like a certain like, like series of like sounds start playing.
I'm like, oh yeah, that happened to me, like last, happened to me last week.
I mean, i'm so out of like relevance as far as like hip hop right now, but it happened to me last week I was listening to randomly in the background I had this Aphex TWIN album playing and one of straight up it was A Kanye instrumental from his latest album, or from the, I think it was from the Pablo album, Life Of Pablo.
And it was the same instrumental.
Like, he literally just bought the track from Apex Twin.
Yeah.
I forget what song it was, but I instantly knew.
I'm like, this is the Kanye.
This is the same fucking Kanye song.
He didn't even sample it.
He just, no, he just straight up copped it.
He just said, let me cop that.
He probably added like one little thing to it.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
I'm done.
But it's, I mean, it's like the perfect, it's the perfect combination.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like Apex Twin beats or Apex Twin, like his instrumentals.
And, you know, if anything, it's like Clams Casino and Lil B.
Yeah.
Like the perfect combo.
My God.
What?
When we talk about producer rapper duos, they're in like top five, man.
One of the greatest of all time.
I'm God.
Are you kidding me?
Okay.
Top five producer rapper duos Lil B and Clams.
I'm going to say Rizza and Wu Tang.
Waka flocking Lex Luger.
Gucci Man and.
Gucci Man and Zay.
Yeah.
Gucci Man and Zay.
And then last but not least, I'm going to say.
Metro Boomin and whoever he's working with.
I'm going to say Metro Boomin and Young Thug.
I remember it.
Well, no, I can't even say that because Thug got just as many shit with TM88, Southside.
That without warning album all those guys.
So it's like it's a toss, but yeah, man.
Shouts out little B. Shouts out clams bass god.
Hell yeah, man.
Yeah, that that that stuff brings back members like a whole era of my life that little B clams casino era We were just listening to this isn't clams, but violate that bitch right before you got here.
Oh, yeah, we were jamming that right before my favorite song Hey, it sounds like it's everything just sounds like it's maxing out Bro, the v-neck belly button shirt Yo, yo, what the fuck?
Lil B. What's going on with Lil B?
Lil B's tight, man.
Lil B is like, Lil B might be an alien, dude.
I don't know, bro.
Like, him and Elon Musk came from the same planet.
Dude, Lil B is incredible.
Like, he has time to do, like, he has time to, like, be on Twitter all day, Instagram all day, reply to all of his fans, retweet everything, like everything.
He replies to DMs.
Replies to everybody's DMs, do all this shit.
On top of that, drop, like, 100 song mixtapes every couple months.
Like, bro, like, Lil B is, to this day, one of the hardest working.
You know, i'm saying artists out there definitely like, he's definitely out there, like um dude.
I remember okay, so when I was in like the fifth grade, that's when vans came out with the pack and I remember back then dude, like no black kids were wearing vans man, so like they they they, they put that at the forefront.
Like yo, like this is what we do, like we skate, we wear vans, we gonna make this cool is what we do.
You know what i'm saying and I looked at it like damn, like you know what i'm saying.
Like you can be yourself, like you can have your own taste.
Like you, you don't gotta rock the, the Jordans and the, the AIR Forces, and you know what i'm saying.
Yeah yeah, you get a lot of for it.
You know I got a lot of for it, skateboarding and growing up.
But uh yeah dude, like when Little B started doing his solo thing, It was the same shit where it was like, you know, when he started the bass movement.
And being bass is basically being whoever you are, just being you.
You know what I'm saying?
Just, you know, just not really trying to impress anybody or, you know what I'm saying?
Did you see when he went on ESPN and he wore the dress with the ears?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, nah, he was, bro, he was on SportsCenter.
ESPN, I think he was on, I think it was the NBA Finals, and they had Lil B as a guest speaker on SportsCenter.
Like in the middle of the most watched, like the most, like the part of the year when, like May, June, during the NBA Finals is like when ESPN gets its highest viewership of the year.
And they pick like celebrities to come on there once a week to talk about sports and talk about their favorite things.
They had Lil B on there wearing a full purple blouse.
With long earrings and like a, like a, it was like, it was a sundress.
And it was like a, round ass hat.
Like a round ass sombrero.
Like a sun hat.
Like a sun hat.
Yeah.
It was a sun hat.
It was something, bro.
Yeah.
Nah.
He's on another, another.
Was that when he dropped the curse?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
Was that?
Yeah.
I think that was when he lifted the curse.
Because he dropped the curse on Kevin Durant before that.
Because Kevin Durant wouldn't play him in one on one.
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Yeah.
And then, and Kevin Durant called him whack on Twitter.
Yeah.
And then so he showed up in a dress when he when he finally showed up that that was when KD came back to came to the warriors Yeah, so he's like KD came to the bay.
I'm lifting the curse on KD.
Yeah, he yeah, and he won and he won twice Low B made low B made a mixtape called Hoop Life and basically just the whole shit was based around like Kevin like he wasn't dissing Kevin Durant on the whole shit, but like he dedicated like Kevin Durant like that whole Play that in the office.
We're playing ping pong every hour.
So he's in a basketball court in the video, like hooping and shit.
Yeah.
Play me in a game in one on one.
It's really fun.
Yo, y'all seen the video of Lil B and he's like, he's crying in the pet store.
Yes.
Yes.
I love that video, bro.
That is the best.
That's my shit, dude.
I'd be feeling like that in the pet store now.
Now that I got a lizard.
I'd be in there like, damn, this shit is so beautiful.
Yeah, there's really something to be said about Lil B and that whole attitude of just not taking yourself seriously at all and just doing the most wacky out there shit and just putting it out there and seeing what happens.
Lil B, he did it in a way where it was his whole everything.
It seemed like he was talking about something that was just completely out there.
But then you could almost like Gucci before he went to prison.
He almost did the same thing where his lyrics were just so absurd, like higher than giraffe pussy.
Gucci was saying shit like that.
It's just like so ridiculous.
I got Gucci's autobiography.
I don't know if autobiography is when they write it, right?
Yeah, I think auto is when you write it.
Yeah.
Okay, so I got Gucci's.
Well, no, I don't think he, but it's basically in first person.
It's like, it's like, him you know i'm saying talking about.
So anyway yeah, like he talks about like all that, like before he went to jail, like he was just a lot of drugs dude, you know what i'm saying.
And like when he went to jail he lost all that weight, he stopped drinking lean, and you know what i'm saying.
So yeah dude, it's like it's, it's it.
You know drugs uh, definitely cloud your mind.
You know what i'm saying.
Yeah, he got his mind back once.
He stopped doing it.
But I mean, you got it.
You can't you can't deny the fact that that's some of his.
That was some of his best work when he was up.
I feel like it's the most influential.
I would say influential.
Like with the stuffed nose?
But like the early on stuff.
The most influential for sure.
Because he got some shit now, and I'm like, damn, this shit is hard.
Like, yeah.
But yeah, I would say classic.
It's not classic Gucci, though.
It was, yeah.
Stuffed nose, whatever.
It's stuffed nose.
Yeah, too much ecstasy.
Yeah.
Pregnant belly Gucci.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, nah.
Pregnant belly, stuffy nose Gucci, man.
Congested.
Classic, man.
And that's what a lot of my shit, uh, was influenced by.
You know, early on, like jelly uh was a beat by Puller Boy Shoddy and that was.
That was the if you, if.
If you looked up Gucci, main type beat in the dictionary, the jelly beats right there.
That's the very first.
That's the definition, right there, dude.
So how would you describe a Gucci man beat uh man uh very, it sounds like you're in like a, like a church, like a hood church, It's like the, it's like the Zeytoven Keys Plan.
It's like the organ keys, you know, it's Gucci.
Yeah, yeah, I think of it.
I feel like it's large.
Yeah, like shots out Zeytoven man.
He can play a piano or that that stupid beat.
Yeah, see my chain stupid.
In my eyes stupid.
That's my favorite Gucci.
Yo, my favorite Gucci beat.
Either that or the original First Day Out.
Where he's in that.
The music video for the original First Day Out.
I'm starting off my day with a blunt up hurts.
That shitty dark video where he's sitting in the RV in the empty Walgreens park or the Walmart parking lot.
Yeah, yeah.
There's two of them.
Yeah.
Because there's one that he's in a tour van.
Mm-hmm.
Like he's all Gucci down and shit.
Yeah, in the tour van.
I think Waka Flocka had the same video in that tour van because Waka Flocka got a video in a tour van.
It's called Still Standing.
It was like the intro to LeBron Flock of James.
But yeah, man, I know that whole catalog front to back, man.
Like all Gucci shit, all Wacker shit.
Played a big influence, dude.
You can hear it.
I mean, a lot of rappers that come out with like the in the like the meme style like that you, you know, immerse yourself in like they don't have the like aggression and delivery that you have.
And you can really hear that, yeah, that southern rap in you where you're just like you're like in the mic and it sounds like you're gonna like jump through the headphones.
The camera's right there.
Mm hmm.
Could you like zoom in on this crab leg?
Yeah, yeah, we can zoom in on it.
It's zoomed in.
Hold it closer to the mic.
I'll tell you where you're at.
There you go, right there.
I was gonna catch up.
I want to pull out a beautiful piece of meat right there.
I'm going to pull out like a perfect one.
It's clean.
I haven't done it yet.
I've been pulling out just a little.
Every crab leg is better.
Yeah, no, for sure.
I want to put this on a trophy stand.
Hold it up.
We'll use it as your thumbnail.
Oh, yeah.
Do like a crazy face.
Do a picture real quick of it.
Yeah, yeah.
Nah.
Very proud of it.
But yeah, man.
I feel like.
So, Juvenile Hell was all produced by Lex Luger.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
And that was just pretty the most surreal shit that could ever happen at that point in my career.
That opening song is aggressive.
Juvenile Hell, actual song?
That song is.
Yeah, bro.
So, I told Lil B, I was like, yo, I really want you to be on this tape.
But I knew that it might have not met the deadline for him to get his verse in.
So I was just like, yo, instead, just like.
Record like a voice memo and send it to me as like an intro or whatever or like a skit.
So he was like all right, bet.
So yeah nah, put that.
Put that on top of the song at the beginning and it was a rap dude.
But yeah, man working with Likes was the most surreal shit.
Just from like listening to him back in the day, to like making music with him.
It was like bro, like hard in the paint.
Yeah, I feel like like the first, like the, the first few times I had texted Lex.
I was like, yo, like, is this really you?
Yeah.
I was like, yo, I've been listening to you since the ninth grade, bro.
Like, yo, this is so crazy.
Yeah, it's like a weird thing.
You gotta, you gotta, like, not mark out to them too hard.
And you gotta kind of be cool at the same time.
You kind of, you gotta find the balance.
So they don't, they don't be like, fucking nerd.
Yeah.
You gotta remember to be yourself.
And remember that they're people too.
There's a lot of dudes now.
And I'm just like, I'll be texting them and I'm just like, yo, just be cool.
Yeah.
Just be cool.
Just chill.
It's fine.
Bro, like, I'll be texting Lil B, like, his own lyrics.
Like, I'll be like, young bass guy came straight for the bitch.
I'll text him out of nowhere, bro.
Like, that's some dumbass.
What does he say to you when you text him that?
Left on red.
He's always like, love, fam.
Love, fam.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, man.
Most down-to-earth dude ever.
I talked to him on the phone once.
Yeah.
And he was going to come do that.
We were going to do an episode of the podcast.
Were, were.
But I was going to go up to him.
This was like two years ago.
You saw him speak at a college?
Oh, yeah, we did.
He spoke at a symposium.
He did one of those lectures at UF in Gainesville.
This was like five years ago, maybe six years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He, yo, he was on the road with those college lectures.
Yeah.
It was unreal how many people packed that little auditorium to listen to him talk.
Yeah, man.
It was crazy.
Like, what's so sick is like, He's really a big influence on people.
I didn't talk about it, that thing.
I don't know.
He just talked about his creative process, how he comes up with stuff, how he motivates himself to create music from when he was younger to where he is now and where he is in his life now.
He talked about his big life events, his house burning down, that kind of stuff.
I don't know, it was a long time ago, but it was really cool.
He spent the whole lecture maybe an hour, and he spent at least another hour just taking pictures and talking to people afterwards.
Yeah, hell yeah, bro.
Yeah, it was awesome.
The people's champ, man.
He really is.
And the line at that thing, it started at like 8 o'clock at night.
And the line at UF to go to that little auditorium went out of the whole campus.
It was the first time I've been to a real college.
Came out the whole campus outside and wrapped around half the building.
That's wild.
That's fire, yo.
Yeah, we stole two of our friends' IDs to go get in there.
UF Gainesville.
Shout out to them.
Yo, my homie had let me borrow Lil B's book, his book that he wrote at 19.
Right.
I remember listening to Lil B back in the day, and Lil B would be like, Yeah, like, I'm the first rapper to ever write a book at the age of 19.
Blah, blah, blah.
You do a good impersonation of him.
Yeah, you do.
Yeah, it's really good.
This is my voice for everybody.
It actually sounds like Lil B.
It's like real, like, genuine and like, I care and a little soft.
That's my voice for everybody.
No matter male, female, whatever.
But yeah, like, he would be like, Yeah, first rapper to write a book at 19.
I was like, Damn, like, how do I get this book?
And like, the book is so rare it's called Taking Over, super rare, it's called uh, ultra rare.
Yeah no, it's called Taking Over.
And I remember uh, a good friend of mine's net art uh from uh, he produced a lot of stuff for PEEP, he's part of GBC.
Um, I was in La, it was like two years ago, and he was like yo, I got I, I have that book because like, he's a really big Little B fan too.
So I was like yo, like could I please buy all this?
And he was like yeah, bro.
So yeah, dude, I'm reading the book and a lot of stuff in the book, like, it's so, like, it's so, like, authentic, dude.
Like, there's typos in the book.
There's hella typos and shit as if, like, he just wrote all of this shit in his iTunes notes.
Yeah.
And just, like, sitting there.
It's just, like, a stream of conscious.
Yeah, no, like, there's so many, like, misspelled words and shit.
Where did he get the book?
I'm not sure.
Like, I don't know where they were selling this book when it came out, but it's super rare now.
Like, yeah.
You can't find that shit.
Anywhere, dude, but uh yeah, now it's so, it's so authentic and it like it basically, uh it, uh he's.
He's telling people like how he started out and like you know the bass lifestyle and what that is, and like he talks about meeting too short and getting signed to a label for the first time and all that shit.
But yeah man, it's very inspiring, very inspiring love.
Shots out Little B, shouts out Bass.
God, what was it like Having somebody like that to look up to, because I mean, you even said something about like even wearing vans was enough to get made fun of, Yeah, like to have somebody who comes out like Little B say like no, it's okay for you to be who you want to be Yeah, in this industry What was that like it's a it was a few people that was on that shit too like there was like It was like Pharrell and like NERD,
you know I'm saying and you know that whole shit and there was like do like Kanye like Kanye was yeah So left the oddball, you know what I'm saying?
Like wearing polos and Louis Vuitton backpacks.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
All that shit.
Nobody was dave Chappelle.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, too.
That was my first introduction to Kanye.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
So, it's a handful of people that was doing that.
So, it was it fueled the fire.
You know what I'm saying?
It was like, all right, like it's okay.
Yeah, like, you don't have to you don't have to be some tough guy all the time.
No.
You know what I'm saying?
Or act like you have all this money.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
Because a lot of these rappers are I like you're already driving a Bentley.
A lot of these rappers are trying to sell a dream, man.
And it's so, like, you know, it's corny, bro.
It's all smoke and mirrors, dude.
Yeah, it really is.
That's the one thing that I wish would change.
I don't know.
It's just the one thing that I never found, like, cool about the culture of hip hop videos.
Or, I mean, it's not just the videos.
I mean, it's obviously everything about it.
But it's, I think it's changing, but it's always been, like, show that you have so much more than what you really have.
And it's always been about just, like, making the money or having the cars and having the chains, having the ice, all that.
I feel like that's like the meat of the content for a lot of people.
I feel like I feel like that started when um, because in the 90s it wasn't really like that like in the 90s like mm-hmm, early 90s killing early 90s was, you know?
You know I sold drugs, like yeah, I'm selling all these drugs blah blah, blah.
You know I'm saying it was about that.
It wasn't really about like How many hoes you had or what car you was driving.
Yeah, it was about how hardcore like but there's also I mean on the other side of it There's also like the fake it till you make it thing, you know if that's what you really want and you want to put that out there Yeah, then that could end up being what you want for example When I help Rod wave shoot one of his first videos We let him borrow Mark's Bentley Because he needed a car for it,
so he had a rain Mark had a Range Rover and a Bentley and we let him Drive the Bentley down the street, walk into this store in downtown St. Pete, and he literally let him drive the Bentley with these girls in it or whatever.
And Rod Wave couldn't afford a Bentley.
I don't even think he had a car when we shot that video.
And now I guarantee you he could buy a fleet of Bentleys.
Manifestation.
Yeah, manifestation.
I think it's more like aspirational and like that whole secret thing where you just like, you will it into existence.
So you just keep repeating it.
Yeah, repeating it.
Yeah, for sure.
Repeating it.
Just convince yourself that it's going to happen.
Always have it in your head.
Wake up thinking about it.
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Go to sleep thinking about it.
Yeah, it's definitely a motivation thing.
Yeah, it's a goal motivation.
People want to see that.
They associate that with moving ahead and getting out of where they are and moving to the next level.
Everyone's got a mantra, whether it's negative, whether you think, I can't do this, this isn't working, or whether your mantra is, I got a Bentley, a million dollars, and 10 bitches.
Whatever you think you're going to do and get, you're going to get eventually.
Fuck that.
If you think that's shallow and lame, then.
You know, whatever that judge people.
Yeah, that's what you want, go get it.
Yeah dude there's yeah man, just live your truth and be positive and don't mess with other people.
Dude, like there's this rapper named uh Viper.
I don't know if y'all know who Viper is, I don't think, I know, never heard of him, but there's, it's like he's probably like this 40 some year old rapper, but like 47 uh, 40 some 40 something, I don't even know.
In his 40s at one point he had in his bio the first trillionaire rapper.
Hell yeah, see, that's, that is yes, that's Viper.
Oh my god Viper.
Where does he live?
Whoa, look at this.
Hey, my homie Dean, shouts out to Dean.
He showed me this dude.
The first trillionaire rapper.
Look at that album.
He had on the bio, the first trillionaire rapper.
Who is that group?
I don't even want to think.
I don't want to even try to go down this rabbit hole right now.
No, let's do it.
We're already here.
I can't even think of the name of them.
They're like they're like they're not this I want to say they do a lot of shows with the Suicide Boys.
They're called it's like three dudes, and they go on stage and they scream and they make weird sounds.
The lead dude's got this big afro, and he's like fucking belches into the microphone and screams.
What the fuck is that band called?
It's the something.
That's narrowing it down.
Google the.
Maybe we'll find it.
Bands that start with the.
It's narrowing it down.
See, that's why I didn't want to bring this up, because I knew we'd never find it.
I could work through it.
And they play with Suicide Boys?
Mm-hmm.
Man, I'm not thinking.
Nothing's coming to me.
Yeah.
Shouts out Suicide Boys.
I seen them perform for the first time.
Last August, me and Pablo was out in L.A.
We were out there for like a week.
And the PR that we was working with, they also do work for Suicide Boys.
So they was like, yeah, we can get you in a Suicide Boys show if you want because they're here for the weekend.
And actually, they were performing at the same venue twice.
So, one, they performed Friday night and Saturday night at the same venue just because the first night they sold out.
You know what I'm saying?
They ran the same show back the next day.
So, I was like, oh shit, hell yeah, I'm down.
Because I'd already knew Scrim, Scrim and Ruby.
They had hit me up a few months ago.
You know what I'm saying?
So, I was like, oh shit, okay, what?
Be able to meet them.
Yo, this show was nuts bro, like.
So we're like on the balcony looking down at the show and when they like anytime, they said open up the pit.
There there wasn't just one uh mosh pit, it was literally like seven, eight different circles.
Wow, within one big one there's, because there's one, just huge one, and then there's other, like multiple pits, like spread it out, and like you ever seen anything like that?
I've seen stuff like that.
Yeah, it's amazing to see it, It's hypnotizing.
Yeah.
We're at the top balcony just looking at everything like, yo, this is power.
That's why.
In LA, we're at the Wiltern?
Yeah, what venue was that?
I don't even know, dude.
The only thing I can think of in LA that has a double story like that is the Wiltern.
I've never seen nothing like that in LA.
It was big as hell, too.
Ran into Kenny Beats there for the first time.
Shout out to Kenny Beats.
Oh, Kenny Beats?
Huh?
Oh, shit.
You saw what?
Oh, oh, fuck.
What was that?
Sounds like a nightmare.
Yeah, it doesn't look like a nightmare.
Yo.
Damn.
Yo, so, like, even getting into that show was, like, so stressful because, like, when we had went there, Pablo had brung his camera and he had asked me, he was like, yo, is it cool if I bring my camera?
And I was like, yeah, yeah, no, bro, it's fine.
Bring your camera.
So we fucking get there and we talk to the people at Will Call.
We're like, yeah, like, we're on the list, whatever.
And they're like, okay.
You're on the list, but you can't bring the camera in.
We're just stuck with this camera and now we got to wait for the people at our PR to get there and they had to talk to a bunch of people and it was a lot for a camera, but I get it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it's bullshit.
Because we did get in there for free and we got the best seats in the house.
And you filmed it.
And you filmed it.
Right.
Or took pictures.
Yeah, yeah, no, she was lit.
How often you guys shoot videos?
Pretty often even if we for like how many songs that you do do you make a video for?
Yeah, yeah like in a lot of shit that there's a lot of videos that are in the vault that like have never been released so in a lot of videos that are unfinished so there's a lot of concepts that we start working on Probably don't finish you know I'm saying yeah and a lot of shit that like that we did a couple years ago and we look back on now we're just like We don't really want to drop that yeah,
yeah, yeah, we'll just let it you know eventually Yeah, yeah, we got a video was that the pub sub song Yeah, nah, I was drunk as hell in Publix.
Um, I mean, haven't we all been you're not a real Floridian unless you've been drunk as hell in Publix?
Were you wait wait wait?
Were you grazing?
What's that?
I was, I was, I was.
Grazing is when you get fucked up in Publix when you first you got to crack a four pack of some sort of beer and then you go up and down the aisles while you're shopping, you eat the food.
And then you just leave the cart.
So you're drinking the four pack in the Publix.
You're drinking the four pack, you keep that right in the front of the cart, drink your beer, and then you go up and down the aisles and while you're getting shopping, you just eat food while you're shopping.
And then you leave and you just leave everything.
You don't pay for anything.
Nah, I was already fucked up before I got there.
This was set in stone.
and like what's i think we went back there twice just to reshoot it Chan yeah cuz they usually come down on you when you try to film in there.
Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, what's funny is I had a so I got this little bill doll and like Chan Chan I got a name tag for the little bill doll Yeah, man cover my little bill is officially a Publix employee.
I don't even got I don't even think I got the name tag anymore Yeah, shout out Chan What is it show me The pub sub sis.
Oh, okay.
Little Bill.
Yeah Well, goddamn we just did two hours big baby scumbag.
Yeah We just went through it exactly two hours how many minutes that was about two hours exactly I think yeah, yeah, oh I got one last question.
What is it actually like touring?
For you, because I have my tour experience and I just want to know what, like, your tour experience is like.
Because I'm like coming at it from like I bought a van off of Craigslist and then we would play shows and usually sleep wherever we played, like on the floor or in somebody's kitchen or in a basement with no air conditioning.
All our money was spent on just like drugs and cheap beer and gas.
So I want to know, like, Rockstar, as like a yeah, Rockstar for sure, crack rock, baby.
So I want to know, like, what the experience is as like.
A DIY hip-hop artist?
It's pretty chill, man.
Like, okay, like, for me, me personally, it's like, I don't smoke, but all of my homies smoke.
Like, well, Paulo doesn't smoke either.
Like, occasionally, well, at the time of, yeah, nah, at the time that we was on tour, Paulo wasn't smoking.
So, it was two people that didn't smoke on the bus.
Everybody else fucking.
You had a bus?
Yeah, we had like a van, like a fucking sprinter.
Mercedes Sprinter at that.
Damn.
Hey, you talking about Rockstar?
Goddamn.
Mercedes Sprinter.
Yeah.
That shit was a Ford.
It wasn't a Mercedes.
It was a Honda Civic.
Old Gatorade bottles in the back.
It was something, bro.
It was something.
Bro, all right.
So, like, so our DJ, right?
So this might have been right after a show, bro.
I don't know why Chuck was even driving.
So our DJ was driving, right?
And we get to Seattle.
And we're at our Airbnb.
Our DJ is backing up.
And he fucking.
Yeah, nah.
There's a backup camera on there.
There's clearly a backup camera.
That must have been a sprinter.
He wasn't using the shit.
He was looking back, but you can't see the camera.
Yeah, nah.
Bro, he busted one of the windows.
So there's two back windows for each door.
There's a window for this door and then a window for the other door.
And he busts one of the fucking windows in the back, dude.
And like, I remember the van being with a broken window for like the whole tour.
Yeah, it was trash bag on it.
Seattle was like the third or fourth stop, bro.
That was like a 20 city tour.
Oh, yeah, Seattle.
Yeah, nah.
Damn.
Yo, we had a fucking trash bag fucking taped on.
And like all you would hear when we was on the highway.
Yo, but nah, tour was cool, man.
Really, like that was my first, my tour with Oliver Francis 2018.
That was my first like nationwide tour because I'd always been on, I'd always been on tours like throughout Florida, like three, four or five dates at a time, but nothing like 20 city tour.
Yeah.
We're like out.
Three international dates.
So for me, it was just like, I rolled with the punches, man.
Like I didn't care about shit.
Like, yeah.
Because really, it wasn't even, it wasn't that bad.
It was some days that we did sleep in the van, but it was just like that whole experience.
For me, it was just like whatever dude like you know what i'm saying like because you're not just going through it alone man, like a lot of the homies that were on the bus experienced the, experiencing the same.
So you know what i'm saying.
Not only that, but it was like we were all just excited to have the opportunity to be on tour.
Like you're there you know what i'm saying like we're here.
Like you know, It's something that you've thought about for so long.
I just want to go on tour.
What is that like?
What is that like?
And then you're there.
Yeah.
And you're just, you're living in it.
Yeah, man.
Like shaking hands and shit with like all of your fans and just the interacting.
It's like, whoa.
Like every show, like I would look into the crowd and it would be that one moment, like time would just like freeze.
And in my head, I would be like, yo, this shit is fucking crazy.
Yeah.
I'd be like, yo, like I would be, like my body would be there and I would be performing.
Performing, going along with the words and shit.
But my head was like yo, like what the fuck is going on?
Right, I'm a, what I'm rapping, like I'm doing all of this, like you got to remind yourself sometimes.
Yeah, just like, stop thinking about it, it's a lot of it'll a lot of shit happen, like it'll be a lot of shit and like it'll like snap in my head like whoa, like this is real.
You know, I'm saying I can't think of nothing at the top off the top of my head.
But yeah dude, like being on tour was great experience and uh actually, what's so crazy is uh, Me and Oliver were supposed to be back on the road But this quarantine thing had happened, So that's postponed, but yeah, man.
Yeah, things will pick back up for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hell yeah, man Well, let's shoot.
Let's fucking When this shit in the world starts getting back together, let's let's make something.
Let's make a Collab and make some sort of video whether it be like a we were talking about like a little mini documentary or yeah, let's link up with Me and Pablo and Luke will try to collab on some sort of cool shit together.
It's just some dumb graphics or memes.
Yeah, dude.
Like we can, oh man, we can like document the next project.
Because I just now, throughout quarantine, I just finished up this new project.
So yeah, man, let's document the next one.
You know, it's everything, dude.
I want to get some shots at the brewery.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, I did want to ask you all of your stuff.
Have you released, I mean, I don't think you have released like a full length.
Like single project album, have you?
Yeah, so okay, so Juvenile Hell that was more of like a mixtape, just a collab with like Sluga.
Right.
Big Baby Earnhardt was a full-length album.
It was nine tracks.
That had Toy Story.
I had Nicole Richie with Lil B.
Yeah.
I had, what else?
Dale Earnhardt remix with Lil Aaron.
So yeah, it had a few different songs.
But wait, when you came up with that project, though, did you have, like, was it preconceived to be like that?
Like, did you have in mind exactly what you wanted to do?
Like, had you, or was it just kind of like spur of the moment?
You're just like, you had a bunch of ideas and you just wanted to get them out and then just package them up into one project?
Honestly, okay, so juvenile hell, I feel like that only showcased just a little bit of what I could do because obviously shit evolves, right?
I mean, obviously you have an idea and then it evolves into something or like one project could just be like a certain part of your life, like the way you're feeling in that year or whatever.
Yeah, juvenile hell was very, it goes back to like the old Waka shit.
You know what i'm saying.
Like it was very influenced by all of that.
So you know what i'm saying.
Like that whole project was produced by Lex, you know.
So it was cohesively all the same sound.
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So I didn't really showcase any other attributes that I had as an artist, you know what i'm saying.
And it didn't really show through juvenile hell.
So with big Baby Earnhardt it was like all right, this is a open playfield.
Like you know what i'm saying.
This is a you know all types of different producers.
You know i'm saying I can work with whatever.
And Baby Earnhardt Came from uh, the Dale Earnhardt, you know, yeah, the Dale Earnhardt single, so it was kind of like a prelude or a sequel to that single.
That's why the remix is on there with little Aaron.
Um, yeah, man, so I just felt like I had to you know just bring back to that and you know, I'm saying give fans a full length project.
You know, do you like doing full length projects versus just doing like spur of the moment singles?
It depends.
It depends because like uh, when I first started, it was just single single single single yeah single, single.
And then like, which has got to be fun to do it that way?
Yeah hell yeah hell, yeah.
And then like, growing as an artist uh, it kind of more thought, more work to do a full length yeah, and like, because I was doing that for like two and a half years straight, just single after single after single, and I I feel like I was doing that because I didn't know how to make a project.
I didn't know how to make some cohesive shit all the way through.
I was just so used to, okay, singing, boom, let's get it done.
You know what I'm saying?
So that was just my anxiety as an artist.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's the way I was doing it.
Now I'm juggling both of them and I'm getting better at making full-length projects and having it from the start to finish.
Paolo was just over at my crib the other day and I was like, yo.
I'm going to play every single song front to back in the order that I think it should sound.
You know, let me know what you think.
And yeah, man, just us two bouncing ideas off of each other and shit.
Yeah, man.
So yeah, I feel like the right balance of singles and projects should be done.
Like, I really like making projects now.
Yeah.
Just because, like, I got a lot of shit that's, I wouldn't say, It's not single material, but it's it's like Let me make for an example There's this song on big baby Earnhardt and it's called niggas in Sweden and it's I love that I love that shit.
So it's a loop.
It's a whole loop of a sample.
My homie Katie Cutthroat had sampled it.
And I couldn't have released that as a single.
You know what I'm saying?
It had to have been in the project.
It fits in the project.
It flows with it.
I got a lot of ideas and shit that are like that.
And it's like, I want to put that type of shit out because that's just some extra.
So do you think you could evolve Big Baby Scumbag's character and brand?
As you create new albums, like as you create new albums, you think Big Baby Earnhardt could completely turn into somebody else?
Definitely.
Because I work with so many different producers.
Yeah.
Like, I got a lot of homies that are at Mad Decent.
Low-key, I've been working with a lot of people from Mad Decent.
Pizza Slime?
Not Pizza Slime.
I'm going to say Ricky Remedy, R.E.A. Lion, Diplo, of course, Valentino Khan.
Yeah, now those guys over there.
They got some fire shit and I haven't you know I haven't posted no snippets.
Yeah, I'm very like me.
I'm very like you get it when you get it like yeah, it's ready Yeah, so yeah man, it can easily evolve into something else man.
I feel like I'm that I always say this I feel like that one Pokemon the the purple one that like can fucking transform into ditto He fucking like transforms into whatever dude like Toy Story bro.
Like I said like that like When I made Toy Story, it was like me mocking a country song.
Yeah.
Like, let me see what's up in this space.
Like, if I made a country song, this is what it would sound like.
You know what I'm saying?
It was more like that.
So now I'm taking this shit seriously.
Like, okay, let me try to make different genres of songs.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Sometimes you got to chase those thoughts when you have them as a creative.
Otherwise, you just keep telling yourself no.
And if you keep telling yourself no over and over again, then you're never going to get anything new out.
Yeah.
Yeah, because the rapping shit, like.
You gotta have to like, you gotta do other shit and then come back to the rapping stuff because man, like I've been stuck in writer's block so many times.
Yeah.
Just from rapping.
Yeah.
And then like I try something else and it's just like, it clicks man.
It's like, damn, like the fuck.
So I think with rapping, it is a lot about trying too hard.
Like if you're trying too hard with the rapping shit, then it's not going to come out.
You know what I'm saying?
Because with, with.
What do you mean?
When you say trying too hard, what do you mean by that?
Uh, just what rhymes with like, what word rhymes with this, you know?
Or what word rhymes with you know what i'm saying?
Like, you know, like that, because with with pop music or with country music or whatever.
It's not really about what word rhymes with what.
You know what i'm saying with those genres.
It's more about just the vibe of that.
Like, rap is the only genre where people are worried about The shit actually rhyming.
You know what I'm saying?
That's what I mean by just trying too hard with the rap.
You know, when I focused on doing other shit, it was like, oh man, like, I don't got to worry about fucking B rhyming with it just comes to you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not more so about the shit rhyming, but the shit just making sense all together.
And you can make any word rhyme with any word.
I mean, on the new Gunna album, Lil Baby rhymes like buick with like, he's like, he says, Burrick to make it rhyme with something.
I've definitely, Tweet always does that too.
Yeah, you can bend words to fit what you want, and you can bend them to fit whatever verse or rhyming scheme you want.
And that makes it more memorable when you do that, too.
You always think about that.
But it's like what advertising does when it makes up words for a new Framley plan for a phone thing.
You can make up anything.
Words didn't exist at one point, and somebody had to make it eventually, so why not keep making up words?
Who's to say that you can't just invent your language as you go?
Toyota thought.
Exactly.
What the fuck?
But you remember it, and it's so stupid, it sticks with you.
Yeah, that's the most important thing.
You do remember it.
And whenever I see a Buick now, all I think of is little baby saying, Buick.
Hey, yo, T. Payne had the most memorable one.
Wisconsin, man.
Wisconsin?
Wisconsin, bro.
Language is fluid.
Exactly, bro.
Wisconsin, dude.
And he, bro, like he was making hats with Wisconsin on it.
Like big T. Payne top hats with Wisconsin on it?
It was like dad hats.
That was a regular hat.
Oh, right.
Like dad hats and t-shirts with Wisconsin.
Like fucking hoodies and shit.
Yeah man, we've been doing that dude, i've.
There's a lot of words that I didn't tweak the out of, just to like rhyme with it, or like i'll say it some type of funny way, or like yeah, any come to mind.
Oh, you know what?
No honestly, but on Black Joe Dirt there's this lyric specifically, and I say, flex so hard, I ain't even got a rhyme, and it was literally because I forgot, uh, where is that bitch teddy bear?
I don't know what lines come before that, but I was like, dude, like, I get it.
Fuck it.
Flex so hard on you.
I don't even got to rhyme.
Yeah.
But it was like a self-awareness of it not rhyming, which is what makes it good.