Matthew Cox details his 26-year mortgage fraud sentence and $5.97 million restitution, revealing how lax public record verification allows title companies to absorb losses while the government remains insulated. He discusses expanding "Inside True Crime" into books and films with Zero Gravity Productions, critiques the failure of prison cognitive behavioral programs to universally reduce recidivism, and reflects on rebuilding his credit from zero to the mid-700s post-release. Ultimately, Cox argues that systemic financial vulnerabilities and flawed correctional incentives drive both white-collar crime and recidivism, challenging traditional narratives of fraud and rehabilitation. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Vlad TV Interview00:08:51
We are officially back with the Riddler of real estate and the Messiah of mortgage fraud, Matthew B. Cox.
Matthew's been doing the rounds.
He's been doing the podcast rounds.
He's been hitting all the major media outlets, all the podcast gurus.
You just got back from Miami.
You did the Vlad TV interview.
Right.
How'd it go?
I just, it, I mean, it went, oh, it wasn't great.
It wasn't great because I thought it's not as casual as this, and he asked specific questions.
So, you tend to jump.
And every time he would say something, he would jump three or four stories that I thought, well, if we're going chronologically, those are kind of interesting stories.
People are always shocked by those stories.
I'm like, so I'm like, do I say something?
Do I interrupt him?
Do I tell him, hey, look?
Yeah, get it a little closer.
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
That's good.
Because they always complain and say, we're louder than you, too.
They don't like hearing nothing.
They like hearing you.
Oh, Jesus.
But I think we just have a little better discipline.
Just answer it then.
Oh, yeah.
Let's put her on.
She's live.
Just put her on.
I really think I can't this is horrible.
Hold on Matt Cox's mom.
Hold on Mom.
I'm actually I'm actually on TV right now can okay Yes, you can see me.
I can see you to is Celine there Okay, Charlene can you go to YouTube to the concrete channel on YouTube Okay, I'm actually doing a podcast right now Can I call you back?
What's your number?
I can text it to her.
I'm doing a podcast right now.
Can I call you back?
You can go to concrete with a K on YouTube.
Right, and she can watch me.
All right, thanks.
Bye.
Bye, mom.
I love you.
See you later.
Does she have an iPhone?
I think she does have it.
Shane.
How many milligrams are those gummies you're about to eat?
I'm 50 deep right now.
Ooh.
God damn, son.
We're going to throw a couple more in the mix and see how it goes.
How many milligrams is that total right there?
These are 10.
I think these are just 30 a piece.
Figure it out.
Oh, shit.
Well, I ate four earlier.
That's actually $1.20.
So your mom's going to watch the live stream?
She's going to try.
I mean, she's 90, so she.
I talked to her already.
I talked to her once today.
She'll call me sometimes twice a day.
Really?
It's nice that you kept your relationship with your mom through all this.
She didn't disown you for going to prison?
No.
She came to see me every two weeks, bro.
My mom loves me.
You really do.
You're really good.
Mama's a boy, huh?
I don't know about that.
Listen, that's the only woman that's going to stick with you.
You get 26 years, you think your girl's hanging out?
Hell no.
Your girl's gone.
You know, unless you've got millions.
The only guys I know that their wife hangs out for 10 or 15 years is the guys that.
They're going to ask for a lot of money to come back out.
They're worth like $30 million and they stay.
Keep them in the house and they've got kids, and they so then they stick around, they come see you and everything.
But if she's got to go get a regular job and has two kids to raise, yeah, she's out of there.
She's done.
She's like, Listen, I'll answer your calls, but we're done.
Yeah, John LeBron's got a good relationship with his mom as well.
Yeah, I see her.
She comes, I've seen her come.
It's crazy.
So, a friend of mine, not really a friend, he's like an acquaintance, past friend from the past, just got locked up in Coleman, the same exact.
Place you were in.
He calls me, and I get the call.
You're getting a call from a federal prison.
And it's him, and he happens to be in the same exact block as Frank Amadeo, the emperor of the world.
The emperor.
Listen, you know what I want to do?
Oh, I'm going to tell you.
Look, I'm turning Frank's story.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Finish your.
That was my shit.
I was just, whatever.
I was setting you up.
Go ahead.
No, I was going to say, I'm finishing.
So the story, which is on my website, Inside True Crime.
Okay.
So the story, it's insanity.
I'm going to turn it into a book.
Like, I'm going to blow it out.
Maybe 60, 70,000 words turn into a book.
I've got a couple of Amadeo's people, two people that used to work for him, and they're going to give me a couple other people.
So I'm going to do interviews with them and blow it out to a whole book.
But here's what I'm thinking Wouldn't it be cool to do like t shirts that say, like, Frank Amadeo for Emperor 2040, or 2024, whenever his out date is?
And you could do all kinds of stuff.
And send him one.
Yeah.
And you could even do shirts with his quotes on it Oh, people will die.
People will die.
I'll anthrax your entire village.
You know, I mean, he's got.
He's got a great quote.
You could do that.
And then you could do a podcast on the book and the story and sell the t shirts.
I've been talking to him via email.
He has the email system at Coleman.
And he's been talking about it.
He wants to call in and do a call in podcast.
That would be great.
The only thing that sucks is you've got to break it into 10 minute phone calls.
15 minutes?
You can talk for 15 minutes.
Or do they limit it to 10 minutes?
I think it's now 10.
Because of COVID 19.
It's so crazy that all those people in the prison, there's like four people that have been shipped out of the prison because they got sick.
They caught the virus.
What about you two bucks?
What happened?
Yes, we just sent two bucks.
Who's that?
Did they ask a question?
Nope.
Did you have an assistant?
What happened to your assistant?
Who?
Austin?
Oh, no.
What's her name?
Oh, Katie?
Oh, Katie.
I can't bring Katie around when you're here, Matt.
So, anyway.
You curve out too hard on her.
Yeah.
By referring to her as a hot chick is exactly the reason she's out here.
So, good thing she hasn't heard what I've said about her.
So, if you have her call the Prison, you got to arrange.
You can arrange to have Amadeo put on a telephone and get a phone call with him for an hour or two, but you're gonna have to make the calls and fill out the paperwork.
And remember, we talked about this, yeah.
I do, but then I have to actually act like a legit media company, yeah.
You do have what it's it's it's true.
You are or a legit news company.
What was it?
It has to be like a news station, yeah.
But it don't matter.
Bubba used to do that shit and get into the courtroom, yeah.
You just have like a nice PDF with your logo on it, and you're good to go.
He'd send in like you're the perfect person to help us do it.
I'm sure you've never been on a live stream on this.
Have you?
Oh, yeah.
You were on the one with Jake.
Everyone knows that.
This is my second podcast.
I'm Luke James, king of the clips, helping out here.
I'm grateful to be here.
We have a whole YouTube channel dedicated to clickbait, run by Luke.
Yep.
I don't understand what that is.
I'm in charge.
You know those thumbnails that you like?
Where you're all crazy looking?
No, I don't like them.
He's never seen them.
I make those.
Luke James.
Whoa.
Are you serious?
We have two people with fine arts degrees at the table.
Oh, man.
We have three in the room, actually.
Stinkline69, running the switching board, is also a.
Proud owner of a fine arts degree.
See, there's three people give it away.
How much I gotta pay to get one?
Uh, depends where you go.
I can give you one for about 50 bucks if you want.
Sold, yeah.
Um, stop doing those photos, those photos are horrible.
It gets clicks though.
So, what's wrong with just a normal picture?
It, I mean, it's not that interesting.
Can't you do just like the people who are on YouTube?
They need something extra to push them over the line because it really takes a lot to make that click.
There's a psychology, yes.
Oh my god.
I mean, it's not even that bad of clickbait compared to the other shit that's on YouTube.
Our clickbait's pretty mild.
Did you see Valutainment?
His are always very, very conservative, very tame.
Are they really?
Yes.
He doesn't do anything insane looking like that.
Maybe Vlad will give you a real nice one.
Yeah.
Vlad's probably going to crucify me.
Oh, yeah.
Vlad will give you a great thumbnail.
His are good.
His are normal, too.
There's just like the guy that he never has anybody making some weird face or catching him going, you know, see, I'm afraid to make a face right now because it's going to come back on.
You never know what I'm going to do to you.
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, it's.
I think my favorite one was the one about the Ponzi schemes where there's like 10 heads coming out of you.
That one.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw that one.
Every once in a while, I'll see one.
And for a split second, I get pissed off.
And then I think, wait a minute, calm down.
It's Danny.
Nobody watches this channel.
Not a big deal.
No viewers.
Nobody watches this shit.
Nobody cares.
Hard Money Lender Draws00:03:39
People want to learn how to make money.
People want somebody to follow.
People want somebody to tell them what to do.
It's like Treon saying, you got to call this guy and you can talk to him about real estate.
You should not take real estate advice.
From me.
Yeah.
I mean, that's not, it's just, you know, I could tell you how to do it legally, but you know what the problem is?
People want to buy real estate with no money down.
And can you do it?
Sure.
There are ways to do it and there are legal ways, but you have to build.
With no money down?
Sure.
How do you buy real estate with no money down?
You borrow the money.
You borrow the money from a hard money guy that gives you all of the money, but you have to build a relationship with that guy.
How do you do that?
How do I build a relationship if I don't start any hard money lenders?
Well, first you start flipping houses.
You go find a house for $50,000 that's going to, once it's renovated with $25,000, it's going to be worth $125,000.
And they're out there.
And you find a hard money guy that will lend you 65% of its aftermarket value once it's repaired.
And then you basically have your repair money and you have the purchase price.
So then he gives you draws as you fix up the house.
But you need to buy the house first before you can fix it up, right?
No, no, he'll buy the house for you.
Oh, so he'll buy the house.
For simple numbers, let's say you're buying the house for $40,000.
This is just, I'm leaving out a bunch of stuff.
You're buying the house.
You found a house for $40,000.
Were you buying a house for $40,000?
I just said for simple.
You want me to jump to a million?
No, just let's do 100 grand.
That's what I'm saying.
So, so let's say we like big numbers around here, Matt Cox.
40,000.
I didn't want to use big numbers as a result of what I'm dealing with.
So, let's say for the sake of argument, you find a rundown piece of garbage house for $80,000.
And can you find a piece of garbage house for $80,000?
I have no idea.
Sure, you can.
So, for 80 grand, and it needs a bunch of work, right?
It needs about $50,000 worth of work.
So, you bought it for, you go in, you go to a hard money guy, and you say, hey, listen, I found this house for $80,000.
But once it's renovated, the appraised value in the area says it'll be worth $200,000.
And he says, you know what?
You're right.
If you put $50,000 into this, it will be worth $200,000.
So, I'm going to give you a 65% loan to value based on a $200,000 aftermarket value and appraised value of $200,000.
That's $130,000.
You're buying the house for $80,000.
So, I'm going to give you the $80 to buy the house.
He buys the house.
He's got a mortgage on it.
There's $50,000 left over, right?
He's giving you $130,000.
So, there's $50,000 left over.
He says, I'm going to hold the $50,000 until you start fixing it up.
Once you start fixing it up, I'll give you draws.
So, you go and you fix up, you put $20,000 worth of work into the property, and you don't have any money.
You have to convince the guy to put on a roof, the drywaller, and say, look, as soon as you're done, I will cut you a check for that money.
Once that's done, you call the hard money lender.
He comes out.
He says, You're right.
You got a new roof.
You did the drywall work.
You did some paint.
I'm going to release $20,000.
He gives you $20,000.
You pay those guys back.
Then you go and you do the next phase of the repairs.
Until you've done $50,000 worth of repairs, he continues to give you draws.
Now he's released all the $130,000, right?
The $80 to buy the house plus the $50 and the repairs.
You owe him $130,000.
You sell the house for $200,000.
Supposedly, you make $70,000.
It never really works like that.
There's always something that goes wrong.
And you do have to make those payments on the $130,000 loan while this is happening.
But it is possible.
Now you're saying the other thing is how do I get a drywall guy to do the drywall and a roofer to do it?
Yeah, you got to pay all the trades people.
Okay, well, great.
You may have to put some money into it.
Or you have a credit card, or you get somebody to lend you the money to do that.
Instant Gratification Trap00:04:13
So there are ways to do it.
But what hard money guy is going to lend money to a guy who's never done it before?
So you kind of have to partner up with someone.
You have to do a few of them.
You have to slowly ease your way into it.
And before you know it, once you've done four or five with this hard money lender, he'll get to a point where he'll start lending you 80%, 90%, 100%, because he believes in you.
He knows you've always paid, you've always done what you said you were going to do.
So it's possible, but it's highly unlikely.
And it's certainly going to take time.
And the problem is, most people want a quick fix.
They want to make money right away.
Well, how do I make money right away?
Well, you don't.
Right.
You know, it just doesn't work like that.
If it was fucking easy, if there was some guru that could tell you, then.
Kids these days, they want instant gratification.
Right.
Right.
I wanted instant gratification.
Yeah, you did.
I just had to.
And I got instant gratification.
And then eventually it caught up with me.
And then I had to go to prison.
You know, so.
A lot of people want you as their guru.
Yeah.
And I've had that happen a lot.
And I always think, what are you doing?
You can read the comments.
Why would you.
What do you, I just got out of prison.
You don't want to take advice.
I mean, not that I don't have good advice or anything, but I'm not in a position to give you.
I've got guys who say, I want to come work for you.
I can barely pay my bills.
Yeah, and it's like what you had said.
Look, talking to Mike.
Oh, a lot of people like don't look at your past, but they see like the way that you're able to talk and the way that you're able to carry yourself.
And they don't look at like the criminal part of what you did.
They see like how you were able to get to that point of it being criminal.
And then they're like, oh, well, if he could do it, I could do it.
And if I just listen to him, then I could be like him, but I'll be smarter about it.
I won't get caught.
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
Yeah, it's an illusion.
That's the problem with gurus.
It's an illusion.
It's like, you know, where they say never meet your heroes, you know, because you're always disappointed.
It's always a letdown.
It is.
False idols.
What is that word?
There's a term for that.
I think false idols.
False idols.
Yeah.
What is it?
Dogma?
What is dogma?
False prophet?
False prophet.
That's what the word is.
False prophet.
Believe in yourself.
That's all you got to do.
Bro, work hard and be patient.
Listen to Gary Vee.
Persistence.
It's all about persistence.
Oh, bro, you got to listen to Gary Vee.
Persistence.
Yeah, he's great.
He's great.
Of course, his whole thing is work hard, keep your bills low, and be patient.
That's good advice.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not, but people don't want to hear that.
No, because it's not a quick fix and it doesn't put people in my pocket.
I don't want to hear that, and I know it's true.
I mean, but that's what I got to do.
Yeah.
So you have to do it.
It just sucks.
Well, this is it.
We're done.
So this is a challenge.
You should just practice what you preach and you should just start doing your own podcasts on your own YouTube channel, which you won't.
You're waiting for.
The big payday from Netflix, which is never gonna come.
I'm not even doing that anymore.
What I'm doing is exactly what we talked about.
Remember, I told you this?
Is that it's a problem, is that you go in and you've got 11,000 subscribers, which is what I have on my channel, Inside True Crime, which everybody should subscribe.
So, where's the camera?
Are they all on?
They're all on, Matt.
You should talk to this one, though.
Okay.
So, Inside True Crime, it's my YouTube channel.
You need to subscribe.
So, like right now, I've got 11,000 subscribers, right?
So, the issue is this.
Let's say I do a podcast, a 30, 45-minute podcast.
I break up all my stories into three or four sections, parts, whatever.
And I do a little 30 minutes and explain the story, and I get a co host, and we talk, and we do the whole thing.
And I pull out the documents, and I go through it.
And it's kind of interesting, great.
People like it, they get the whole story, and they see how it all unraveled.
Perfect.
The problem is, you do that, well, I have no subscribers.
So I get barely any views.
I have 11,000 subscribers.
I blow all my content, and I don't really get any hits.
And so you're basically doing it for free.
You know, let's say your video gets 50,000 hits in a month.
It's a few hundred dollars.
It's not that people are like, oh, you're going to make like five grand.
Are you out of your fucking mind?
You're going to make no money.
It's not even worth doing it to make a couple hundred dollars.
What you have to do is you have to get a bulk of subscribers.
You need two, three hundred thousand subscribers.
Even if you had 150, you have a shot at 150 to 200,000 subscribers, right?
So, how do you get 150 to 200,000 subscribers?
You put out content.
Do I blow all of my decent content?
Mediocre Content Struggles00:15:04
Then what do I do?
Then I'm doing these videos where these guys are going, hey, look, here's what a commissary list looks like.
Let me tell you about commissary.
Every one of these prison shows does it.
Oh, 10 ways to get thrown in the shoe.
Here's what the shoe's like.
Here's how you can get stabbed in prison.
I mean, fuck, are you serious?
I can't do that, bro.
I'm not going to do it.
Those are ridiculous.
We're going to go over good hygiene in prison.
Are you serious?
Who's watching this?
So, what happens is they blow all their content and then they start doing these ridiculous shows and then they get to the point where they start interviewing other criminals.
Well, granted, I've got a bunch of content, but I don't want to blow that content.
Up front, what I want to do is get a bunch of information.
He's putting the carriage before the horse.
No, I'm not.
Because here's what I want to do I want to do the reviews, I want to review movies.
So I'll review movies.
I'll review, do 30 episodes, put out every five days.
I can do one time, I'll do one for 20 or 30 minutes on Catch Me If You Can.
I'd love that movie.
I got other movies that I've seen that, like, what's that movie?
It's called, I think it's called Con Man.
It's horrible.
Did you ever see Con Air?
No, Con Man.
Hell yeah.
Oh.
Well, yeah, Con Air with Nick Cage.
You know what you could do?
No, it's about cons, not Con Air.
Con Air is the only movie with Con that I know.
Yeah.
There's a movie called Con Man.
I believe you.
It's horrible.
Is it better than Con Air?
Because not much is better than Con Air.
Have you seen Con Air?
Con Air is horrible.
With Nick Cage?
It's definitely not horrible.
It's the worst movie.
I think we're talking about two different movies.
No, I've seen the movie.
It's horrible.
It's an amazing movie.
First of all, I'd love to see that, do that movie.
Steve Gusemi.
Steve Gusemi.
I've been on Con Air.
It looks nothing like that.
Steve Buscemi in Con Air?
Yeah.
He's the main guy in Con Air.
Yeah, he's the guy we watched.
He's the really creepy guy.
Oh, yeah.
It's been too long.
Last time I watched it was right there.
John Malkovich.
Come on.
Yeah.
Come on.
Con Air is not like that.
I've been on Con Air.
It's not like that.
Danny Trejo, isn't he?
Yeah, he's on Con Air.
Oh, my God, dude.
It's an all star list.
Con Air has to be the best.
Great actors.
Nick fucking Cage.
Come on, Al.
It's not.
That's not what's happening.
That's not real.
It's not.
There's no fucking.
Yeah, it's a movie.
Of course it's not real.
No, that could be true.
I could actually see it happening.
It's based on a movie.
Well, War Dogs was a movie.
They stole your memoir.
Oh my God.
Yes, they did.
You know what you could do?
You could watch all those con movies and then you break down the con and talk about where they went wrong and what they could have done better.
That's a genius idea.
Oh my God.
Matt, you should take his advice.
So, I mean, did you guys get together and decide to try and frustrate?
Let's frustrate Matt the whole time.
Oh, shit.
This is great.
I'm really happy to be here.
So, we broke down a bunch of fucking great comments on the internet, on Instagram, on our Twitter, and the YouTube channel.
We got people to ask.
Real estate questions.
No, no.
Or just any questions.
We got them to ask questions for you, Matt Cox, and the fans have spoken.
The fans, stop.
You guys are cute.
The people have spoken.
These are genuine facts.
And now they're going to get straight from the horse's mouth what they need to do with their lives.
And Shane is going to read the questions.
Oh, my God.
All right, you want just general comments or questions?
Hopefully, the gummies kick in more and more.
Stu Ball thinks Con Air is a masterpiece.
Thank you, Stu Ball.
Appreciate you.
All right.
Yeah, sorry.
Read his name first.
Read the guy's name on whatever social media platform.
I'm reading all these.
Yeah, just start with one.
We'll start with one and then we'll expand on it and then we'll move on to the next one.
All right.
This is Scott's thoughts.
TH5TS.
Five months ago.
Yes.
Five months ago.
Thoughts, THOTS.
This man literally mastered the same system put in place to financially trap us.
He's the Robin Hood of fine arts.
Is that even a question?
No, it's not a question.
It's not a question.
You know what a question is?
I mean, hey, Danny printed these out.
Half of them are questions, half of them are just comments.
All right.
Here's a question.
Next question.
When did he start grifting again?
Was it 10, 15 years?
He was doing it if he was 37 when he got caught.
15 years living like a king for 26 years in prison, and now he's an author with movie royalties coming in.
Morality notwithstanding.
Sounds okay to me.
Freedom is whatever you have the privilege to do with it.
Poverty is a prison without bars.
This guy's a poet.
Guys, that's poetic.
I'm.
Everything he said was wrong.
How so?
Can you expand on that?
I don't even know what the question was.
The first one is when did he start grifting again?
What does that mean?
Again.
First he says again.
So again, he's like, let's go with.
Let's just go.
Listen, did you see the movie Grifters?
Great movie.
Never seen it.
Never seen it with John Cusack.
No.
Wow.
That sounds good.
It'd probably be better if Nick Cage was in it.
Yeah.
He can't come next time.
So.
All right, here's a question.
So we're not answering that?
No, no, yeah.
He's got to answer.
Let him answer.
Okay, look, so what I'm saying is the first time I ever committed a crime was one of the first mortgage I ever did.
Debbie Boyd.
First mortgage I ever did, that's why I whited out a 30 day late.
So I wasn't, there was no grifting or anything.
There was no short cons.
There was no build up to it.
I was in desperate straits and I committed fraud and then I continued to commit mortgage fraud.
Now, those types of.
That type of fraud ends up lending itself to credit card fraud, identity theft.
There's all these other frauds that start to take place, right?
Bank fraud, that sort of thing, because you start to really figure out how underwriting works and what they're looking for and what debt to income is and how they verify things.
So suddenly other frauds develop as a result of that.
So there's lots of other fraud that isn't directly related to mortgage fraud.
Yeah.
But so, I mean, I did that and then I eventually got caught and I went to prison.
I got 26 years, I did 13 years.
And it wasn't 15 years.
It was 10 years.
And it was not worth it.
It sucked.
And now I'm writing stories.
Are you an author with royalties coming in, like they say?
I am, but not big time royalties.
I mean, I might make $1,500, $1,600 one month.
I mean, I just got out of prison.
I just started releasing books.
If you would have won that lawsuit over War Dogs, you'd be getting a little bit more royalty.
Well, we settled.
Oh, you settled?
Okay.
Yeah, we settled.
And I get royalties from some of the other books that I've had that I printed or published while I was in prison.
And I get royalties, well, I get options from when they re option some of the film rights, which was the one that was in Rolling Stone magazine, Dukes of Oxy.
I get every time they option it, I get a check for that.
But, you know, it's not like it's massive money.
I'm working on it, man.
I just got out of prison.
I haven't been out of prison a year.
You're not rolling in the dough yet.
I haven't been out of custody a year.
No, I'm not rolling in dough.
Did you see my car?
Yeah.
It's embarrassing.
Hey, at least you got one.
Don't you?
No, I crashed mine a couple months ago.
I totaled that bad boy.
What are you doing?
Don't sleep on the highway.
Oh, my God.
Don't sleep on the highway.
Especially when you're behind the wheel.
Next question.
Matt.
Can you give us all an update on how things are standing with some of your stories being contracted for movies or series if you can say anything about it yet?
Who asked that question?
Eves Min Chang.
Wow.
I'm thinking he's Asian.
It's possible.
You can't tell.
Yeah, it's definitely possible.
He's got sunglasses on in the picture.
Just a name.
It could be anything.
You know, it's funny.
I'm actually trying to put together a story right now about an Asian gang in the late 90s.
That were robbing computer chip manufacturing plants.
Where?
All over the United States.
Really?
I mean, they're going in, they're getting orders from supposedly from China.
So, Chinese manufacturers are coming in and saying, Look, we need these chips.
And they're giving them, like, this manufacturer has, you know, whatever, 100,000 of these chips.
We need them.
There's no security.
So, this Chinese gang would go in there.
Eight guys would go in, they'd zip tie everybody, all the guards and everything.
Load up all the chips in a van and then take off and go sell them for $2 million.
I mean, literally, it's like pulling up into a vacant parking lot and some Chinese official comes and gives them $2 million in a briefcase and they hand them over the chips and they leave.
I mean, it's that kind of thing.
It's amazing.
How did you find out about these guys?
A buddy that I was in prison with did some of the legal work for some of the guys.
And there were like 40 of them all over the country that got arrested.
They robbed like 10 or 15 different manufacturers.
There ends up being a murder.
Of course, listen, it was so bad.
I want to say that it was Clinton, or I want to say it was Clinton that basically gave like a presidential order that said all manufacturing plants have to have armed security because it was so bad.
There were so many chips plants getting robbed.
So, anyway, I'm working on that story right now.
I'd love to put that together.
That'd be super cool.
But back to what's his name's question?
I forgot the question.
Oh, I don't know.
Steve Minchang.
The question was how are my things progressing?
Okay, so I have like, 15 to 6.
I think I have like 17 of them on my website, I think, but a couple of them have already been.
Like one of them is the War Dogs one, one of them is Oxy Rush, which was connected to that option.
So those are already kind of done.
I've got two right now.
I have two of the stories are getting represented by, gosh, who is it?
I'm supposed to be signing a contract with Zero Gravity Productions, and they're going to represent me.
Is it 50 Cent is interested in the story of Jamar Towns, which is the guy?
It's called Cash Logistics.
It's on the website.
Actually, I just, it's on the YouTube channel.
It's called Cash Logistics.
And it's about a guy that gets a job at a cash moving company, you know, like Brinks.
He gets a job there.
He sets up an inside job.
They rob it for like $3 or $4 million.
He gets himself robbed.
You've never read Incare.
I remember you telling me this story.
Oh, it's a great story.
So, anyway, I know how to read.
He can't even read.
So there was a woman, a producer named Ann, and I talked to her.
And she went and they looked over the website and she pitched it to 50 Cent's manager.
And he's going to pitch it to 50 Cent.
And they're talking about option, possibly optioning it.
So Zero Gravity is going to represent me on that.
And the other one is Amadeo's story.
They're interested in representing me on optioning Amadeo's story.
That's a great story.
That's a fucking amazing story.
Fucking amazing story.
Sorry, that one's good.
Well, what about he said that thing?
So, I mean, I'm some of them turning into I'm doing stuff with apparently we got to move faster than I thought my fault.
The fact is, some of the stories are being I thought it was so well.
I mean, there's 17 of them, they're all in they're all in.
No, we don't have to go into depth about them.
Okay, well, we're this is rapid fire.
I wanted to answer.
No, we want to make it last a little bit longer.
That's fine.
Yeah, don't don't don't rush.
We got a lot of questions.
Can't rush fire.
Somebody just dropped 10 bucks.
You said they're who did it.
Who did it?
Shout out.
Where's this money going to?
Bryce Bayon's.
You said there was going to be food.
He said, he can't even fucking take us out to dinner.
I'm catching that.
Nothing's open for him to take us out to.
No, he said he was ordering crab legs.
Wow.
What?
Are you serious?
That was an idea.
You were going to do that.
I forgot.
I didn't eat because of that.
I haven't eaten.
I've eaten once today.
I'll order them right now.
I'll order them right now.
Order something.
Could somebody send this man some crab legs?
Keep going.
I'm going to order fucking crab legs.
Shout out to Bryce Bayans.
Thanks for the 10 bucks.
Appreciate you.
This guy's crabby bills.
I'll send you.
I'll send you the equipment to do your own podcast.
No, you should do your own podcast.
I want to encourage you to do your own fucking podcast.
You don't need me, okay?
You don't need me to hold your hand, Matt.
Yeah, because Danny's going to want to take some of the money from Danny.
I have no problem with that.
All you need.
We can't get to that point.
All you need is a microphone.
All you need is a microphone.
You don't even need that.
You just need your iPhone.
Here, do your half ass fucking podcast with the iPhone.
It doesn't matter.
Start somewhere.
It does matter.
You don't have to start at the top, Matt.
Start wherever.
It doesn't matter what.
Matt wants to come out professional, bro.
He doesn't want any low budget shit.
That's your problem.
You can't start creating content until you have it.
You know what the difference is?
Here's the difference.
I didn't start creating.
Right.
Listen, let's do it.
I just want to fuck it up.
There's nothing wrong with that.
There's nothing wrong with me wanting a professional thing.
Listen, here's the difference.
The difference is some people go in the bank and they slip them a note and they walk out with $3,500.
If I'm going in the bank, I'm not everybody.
We're going in the fucking vault.
We're going in.
And when we walk out, if shit goes wrong, we'll deal with it.
That's just me.
I'm not going to take your credit card and run it up for $1,000.
I don't have any.
I'm taking the whole fucking house and I'm walking away with half a million.
Well, good luck.
That's just the way it is.
Yeah.
So, you see, I mean, I'm trying to tell you, let's go for the house.
And you're saying, what about a credit card?
I've got a credit card here.
Matt, listen, you want a million subscribers before you put out any good content.
I want a couple hundred thousand subscribers.
Look, I'll go with it.
Well, good fucking luck.
I bet I don't know how to fucking do that.
You got to put out your best content first.
I told you, you do the reviews.
You do every five days, you do a review.
Do you 30 seconds?
Okay, well, put out that mediocre shit and see if it gets you to 100,000 subscribers.
What about that great idea that I had for that show?
Sam Silence the Gun Shop.
GQ and Vanity Fair are doing it right now.
Larry Lawton got 6.9 million views in less than a year.
And he did four, it was 20 minutes.
Can we talk about your Vanity Fair deal?
I don't know if Vanity Fair is.
I got more questions.
Oh, yeah, we got questions.
We're here for questions.
I haven't heard from them yet since.
Oh, you haven't?
I talked to them.
I did a little thing with them.
We did, I had a couple calls.
Matt is going to be the cover of Vanity Fair.
I'm not going to be on this.
That's not what happened.
See how people do.
Tell us what the truth is.
What's the truth about Vanity Fair?
No, they talked to me about it.
I'm going to do an article on you?
No.
They want to do a video series with them.
No, a series.
What the fuck do they want to do?
They want to do the same thing with the Larry Lawton thing where I do four or five Con Man movies and I review them.
And I said, that's what we ought to do.
I don't do a series.
No, it's not a series.
They're doing a series.
They do one with.
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It's so frustrating being on here.
Sitting across from Danny.
I mean, you got.
It was bad enough when you have Danny, you know, ADD.
And then now you're here.
And this guy, this guy's never had one thing.
He hasn't said one thing to help me.
It's nothing but.
Well, he's not here to fucking help.
I'm not here to help.
I'm here to encourage.
Oh, my God.
So, yeah, they have a.
I guess you could call it a series, but they get.
Like, they'll get Larry Lawton and he'll do.
He'll review some heist movies.
Then they get some FBI guy to do some FBI.
FBI movies.
And they were going to have me do some con man movies.
But that's cool.
They were like, first they wanted to do it Skype.
And I was like, really?
You really want to do it Skype?
I mean, you know, they're like, well, you know, in the current situation, I'm like, yeah, it's kind of fucked up.
It's half assed.
I was like, but I said, look, I said, what if I got somebody?
I was going to have you.
I said, what if I could get you somebody that could do it?
And they said, yeah, let me think about that.
Let me get back with you.
I haven't heard from you since.
Okay.
So hopefully, I really hope that it happens.
I think that would be great.
I mean, it would be one thing.
I'm saying, do a whole, never mind.
It's over.
So, listen, I got this.
I got, I, what?
Just listen to you guys bicker.
It's just ridiculous.
It really is.
I mean, you ready for the next question?
I got a question from the live chat.
Oh, wait, we got a live chat question.
We got Jermaine Wells.
If you didn't get into real estate, did you have any other career dreams you wanted to pursue?
And he also wants to know, additionally, since we're watching live, would you take any special orders on your book during this time and add a signature or a doodle on the cover?
Honestly, I've had a, I have at least one guy, one or two guys, really a week, mail me their books.
I sign them.
Like if you included, if you include a piece of paper, like tell me like you want a certain, like I'll put like, you know, two John, you know, I'll put my favorite partner in crime, you know, from Matt Cox, Secret Service is most one, and then I send it back to them.
Some of the guys, listen, 90% of the guys don't even give me like a return envelope.
I'm paying.
I had a guy from Canada, I paid $20 to ship his book back to Canada for it.
God damn, man.
You know, which I don't, I mean, I don't care because to be honest, it's flattering to have somebody want you to sign the book.
So if I have, you know, I don't want to take a hit.
That was a hit.
Yeah, that's a hit.
But, you know, I wouldn't be doing that all the time.
Normally I mail it back because you mail it back, and even if you break even, it doesn't matter.
So mail your book to Matt.
Yeah, of course.
Send the return postage in there.
Don't be a cheapskate.
That'd be awesome.
And he'll sign it.
I'll sign it.
I'll sign whatever you want.
You'd say, hey, do a doodle on the front cover.
Where do they send it to?
I'll do a doodle on the front cover.
Are you just giving your address out?
I got a P.O. box.
Your social and everything?
I have a P.O. box.
Okay.
Which so?
Nice.
But what about the career?
Is snow crab good?
I'm going to get two snow crab trays.
I'll take two snow crab trays.
Snow crabs are good, I guess.
Do they have a snow crab pizza?
We didn't get a lot of snow crab in Colmers.
No, no.
They got blue crab.
They got blue crab.
I don't even know the difference.
All right, we'll get you snow crab.
It's just crab, right?
No, just snow crab.
Don't get the blue crab.
You're actually ordering snow crab?
Yeah.
Where are you going to get snow crab delivered?
He's a big shot.
The crispy crab.
Krispy Krab is gas.
It is fire.
Yeah.
They got boiled peanuts.
You guys want some boiled peanuts?
I love them.
In garlic sauce?
You do?
I love them.
I was going to get some earlier, and Danny's like, eh, fuck them.
Are you kidding me?
Bro, are you kidding me?
I love them.
I'm going to get sausage.
Listen, I'm safe.
Come on.
Should have listened to my stinks.
Come on.
He's like, what flavor are you going to go with when you get them?
He said, no, just get them the double shot.
I get them plain because I don't like the hot.
I don't like the spice.
I don't like the spice.
I don't like it.
You got to get spice.
I can't do it.
I can start sweating.
The plain just tastes like old water.
Old water.
Old water.
This guy says you hurt Danny's feelings.
Who shot that?
This guy I noted.
Steve.
Oh, that's funny.
All right.
We're ready for rolling another question.
Listen, Steve is the guy that owns a production company that I've been talking to that wants to do all the reviews, the movie reviews.
Your idea just now that you just came up with.
It's a great idea.
I hope somebody runs with it.
Absolutely.
I think so.
And we've already talked to.
Oh, you know what?
What is her name?
Because I always say her name wrong.
Carolina Bazua?
What the hell is that?
How do you say her name?
I think how you said it's accurate.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
So, anyway, yeah, she's got to set up the production and everything.
That's a great idea.
I think it's a good idea.
Just do it.
I mean, that's the hard part with anything, is just getting started and getting over that initial step of not feeling like it's good enough.
Still, we got two plates of crab on the way.
No, I feel like I need about 50 more bucks in the chat.
The fact is, getting everything in order.
You go, you do it, you put it, and then I'll put it on my channel.
That's what I plan on doing.
Hopefully, in a month from now, I start having content on my channel, and I'm going to have it on there for six months, and I'm going to have about 150, 200,000 subscribers, and then I'm going to do a true crime podcast.
And then you're going to go, then you're going to be like, damn, that shit works.
Go, Matt.
Go, Matt.
Everybody, subscribe that's listening right now.
It doesn't exist yet, but I'll just search inside true crime on YouTube.
So even if you have to run it again, we'll drop it again.
We're going to drop the link in the chat right now so you can go subscribe to Matt Cox.
Wow, I look bad there.
Even if you have to remove your subscription from concrete, yeah, do it.
Unsubscribe and move it to Inside True Crime.
I encourage reasonable.
It's more than one channel.
Danny won't be offended.
Yeah, I won't be offended.
Hell no.
We got 10 pounds.
What does that equal in American money?
10 pounds?
Yeah.
Matt, come on.
You got to know this.
Matt, you don't know the answer to this?
$1.60 or something like that?
I'm buying it.
All right.
I mean, I sound confident.
Dude, everybody's pumping it.
It's $1.60.
65.
Everybody's talking about somewhere between 10, 20 bucks.
What?
The show idea?
Yeah.
Yeah, bro.
Because here's the thing, too.
Like, let's say I review Boiler Room.
You know how many guys I know that ran Boiler Rooms?
Yeah.
Like, I know that's not how it works or that is how it works.
Look, I know guys that ran Ponzi schemes, not one or two.
I know multiple Ponzi scheme guys.
They have great stories, horrible stories.
I mean, they've destroyed people.
But the point is, some of the stories are interesting, especially how they get into it.
They never, they never, it's always something goes wrong and it, It evolves because if you get into a Ponzi scheme, like if you said, Hey, I want to start a Ponzi scheme, if you knew from the get go, I'm going to start a Ponzi scheme and this is a scam, yeah, it's so easy to set up a Ponzi scheme that isn't in your name.
You set up a fake identity, you dump a bunch of money into a decent website, some brochures, you do a little bit of advertising, you do a couple of uh events, people start giving you money, they don't expect the money back, you keep telling them their money's.
Growing periodically, you give them dividends.
They usually typically say, Oh, just keep reinvesting it.
Before you know it, you've got 10, 15, 20 million dollars.
And then if you were to disappear, they don't ever know who you were to begin with.
Problem is, most Ponzi schemes start off legitimate and it morphs into a Ponzi scheme.
And the next thing you know, they're trying to balance this Ponzi scheme of a hundred million dollars.
And they're like, I'm fucking over my head.
What went wrong?
Well, what went wrong was when things went bad, you should have just been honest with your investors and taken the hit.
Yeah.
Given them what you could back and filed bankruptcy.
Now you've got a $100 million Ponzi scheme.
You're going to prison the rest of your life.
Yeah.
So, but yeah, that would be great to do.
You could do all kinds of different movies.
And I know most guys that have run those types of schemes.
People just want to hear you talk.
I mean, you could interview anybody and they would fucking.
By the guys who were there.
I could watch Cox talk about paint for six hours.
People like to hear, people honestly, they just like to hear somebody who can speak concisely and confidently.
And they'll just listen to you all day.
You speak.
Not really.
I'm like a fucking.
I'm a babbling idiot.
I'm retarded.
I babble.
I don't fucking talk.
I stutter.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
I don't even think about it.
I don't speak as charismatically and confidently as you do.
I'm no Matt Cox.
You're a good storyteller.
You're a very good storyteller.
And now you've switched it.
Earlier, it was let's bash the shit out of him.
Build them back up, back down again.
He's feeling good about himself.
Yank the carpet out from underneath.
All right, let's do the next one.
Next question.
Yeah.
All right, we got real underscore Joe Biden.
Damn, thanks, Joe.
Shout out to Joe.
Good luck.
What are the most flagrant weaknesses that exist in secured lending, including mortgages today?
What?
Are you paying attention?
I am, but let's face it, you didn't read it all that great.
What are the most flagrant weaknesses?
I can tell when he was talking to me, his eyes started watering and it was like kicking in.
He's about 100 milligrams deep right now, too.
All right.
What are the most flagrant weaknesses that exist in secured lending, including mortgages today?
I mean, it's funny.
I actually talked to a guy who I went to the title company, spoke with a guy that's starting a company that.
He owns a title company.
He's starting a separate company that monitors people's titles because it's becoming rampant real estate with people removing people's deeds on their homes and putting them into other people's names.
So we were talking about what I had done, and he was like, Oh, what you did back then is easier to do now.
He said, Now, public records, you don't even have to have the original document.
You can make a copy of the document and put a stamp on it that says that you witnessed the true and correct.
True and correct, actual document.
Like, oh, I've seen the real document.
File this one.
It's not even an original document.
Doesn't have to have an original seal.
Doesn't have to have anything.
Just a stamp on it that, oh, I saw the original.
This is, so this is good.
They'll record it.
He was telling me all kinds of little things.
I was like, are you fucking serious?
And he goes, yeah.
He goes, it's easier now to do what you did than it was back then.
I have all these guys in the comments saying, you can't do that anymore.
Really?
The guy that owns a title company is telling me it's easier now.
So it's still public records.
Public records is just a.
It's just ripe for fraud.
I mean, it's just, it's a huge gaping hole.
But what's nice is most people don't understand how public records works.
And so they don't take advantage, they don't commit fraud using public records because they don't really understand how it works.
So if you're someone who worked at a title company or you have any experience in that and you say, look, I'm going to go ahead and use this to my advantage, I mean, it's a huge opportunity for, or it's a huge issue as far as fraud is concerned.
But there's such a limited amount of people that can do it.
So, and then of course, if you have overlapping skill sets, it gets outrageous.
And I'd say that's still the main problem with real estate public records.
You can say, oh, you can make W 2s and stuff.
Yeah, but that's been done and people do it and they're always going to do it.
And it's virtually impossible to catch it and stop it.
So, the one thing that's a huge, I don't want to use the word opportunity, a huge issue is public records.
That's the problem, public records.
If you could secure up public records, but keep in mind too The left hand doesn't know what the right's doing.
Right.
And the government, and then when things go wrong, it's not a big enough problem that there's no reason really to stop it.
And it doesn't cost the government anymore, anything, because when it all goes wrong, it's the title companies that have to pay.
So it's kind of, you know, the government's insulated from it.
So there's no reason to try and revamp this system.
Why would we revamp a system?
It doesn't cost us anything.
And when it does cost anybody, it costs the banks.
The banks all have insurance, or there was real estate, or there was title insurance.
So it's kind of, you know what it's like?
It's like the credit card companies.
Most of them didn't want to replace the credit cards with chips for a decade.
They fought because their whole thing is yeah, but the fraud is already built into the interest rate.
So we've already got this money set aside.
So it's not really hurting us.
It's hurting the customers, but it's not really hurting us.
So why would we correct it?
Until eventually the government said, no, you're going to do the chip.
And they forced them to do the chip.
Is the chip any more secure?
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No, not really.
Because before they even came out, you remember John Boziak, the guy, the credit card kid?
I wrote that story.
It's called Bent, and he was manufacturing credit cards for the Russian mob.
Like, a great story, bro.
This guy's amazing.
Super smart.
Now, you haven't seen him now.
I mean, he's covered in tattoos, right?
Oh, God, he's got tattoos everywhere.
He looks like a straight gangster.
But really, when he was in prison, he had like a tattoo here and some on his arms and stuff.
But he's 135 pounds.
He looks like Justin Bieber.
How old was he when you met him in prison?
29 or 30.
That's crazy.
And so now it's been five years.
And if you go to his Instagram account, he's just covered in tats.
He just does tats.
Just tatted up.
But he was saying before the chips in the US even came out, they had already cloned them.
And even, have you ever gone to the store and you put your card in and the chip won't work?
And they go, just slide it.
Yeah.
Okay, so we're back to the old shit that's easy.
Yeah.
Okay, zoop.
So what does it matter?
What are we doing?
Yeah.
What's the worst case scenario?
They say, can I see your ID?
Here's what you think if I can fake a visual, if I can fake that, we're good.
Yeah.
Go ahead and take your Rolex watch and leave.
Thank you.
I mean, this is not securing it.
It just added an extra layer, which nobody's paying attention to.
Mm-mm.
You know, that's so funny.
I had to stop myself from saying thank God, and that's so sad.
That's just what I just have issues.
This is why I'm on supervised release.
So, hey, how is your uh probation officer doing?
You know what I was thinking was funny.
I actually thought about this and I thought there's no way she even the suggestion she'd be irritated at me.
I was thinking, Danny, I should suggest to Danny that she that he asks her to come on the podcast.
Oh, yeah, she'd never do it.
No, I know she would never do it.
Yeah, she's already told me.
Basically, right?
I don't know that she can't, but I think her whole thing is she's like, I don't want to be famous.
Do you understand?
Like, she doesn't like it when I mention her.
She's like, Oh, she hasn't said, Don't mention me again.
Yeah.
But she's like, You do understand, Mr. Cox.
I don't want to be famous, right?
I heard the podcast last night.
You mentioned me.
I don't want to be famous.
And I'm like, Yeah, I know.
I feel real bad about that.
Sorry about that.
So, my bad.
They asked me, you know, what am I going to say?
Yeah.
But she's, I'll bet you she's got some stories.
I think people would be into it just like hearing the people in your orbit.
Who have the stories about you to get maybe some of the details that you're leaving out or to get just a different perspective on it, I think would be really interesting.
Oh, she's, she's, she's, she's, I, she, you know, I don't feel like she trusts me.
She probably doesn't.
I feel like we have, we don't, we're not close like that.
I feel like, I feel like she's, uh, she's very, she's, she, she's, she's, she's her probation officer.
Yeah, her job is not to trust you.
Yeah, I know, I know, but it hurts.
I'm still having feelings.
Because he can't get the edge.
He's the one person.
He can't get the edge of it.
Did somebody donate a hundred Norway?
Yeah, I thought it was $100 at Norway Money's.
That is the legitimate thing.
What are they called?
Knox?
Maybe $6.
Norwegian, maybe somebody converted it to $9.01.
Nice 971.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, thank you read their comment.
Yeah, yeah I got I got some comments from the people who are paying for their questions Appreciate you nice.
You're paying for the crab and we are super grateful for it.
Yeah, probably here soon.
This one comes from Joseph Berkeley Matt What element of the con did you enjoy the most?
Was it the money or did you get more of a rush by duping the system?
This is horrible.
It's horrible You know why it's horrible?
First, let me tell you why it's horrible.
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Because I'll answer it and I'll get 40 people that'll be like, oh, this guy's awesome.
He's amazing.
And I'll get one guy that's like, this guy's a fucking scumbag, lowlife, bragging piece of shit.
They should have killed him.
And I was like, no matter what, you're going to get that guy.
Yeah, that's everything on the internet.
That's everything, especially on YouTube.
And if you're going to have the number one trending scammer site on YouTube, you're going to be getting a lot of that.
So you're going to get thick skin.
Well, I'm pretty thick skin, but it's still, a lot of times it's like, you know, they're talking about.
Chopping somebody's head off, or you should bury him under the bridge.
Like, you know, you've got an anger management problem.
Yeah.
Yeah, they get more than an anger management problem.
That's why you got, that's why you're wearing the bat cave.
You don't put yourself out there because you know.
So, what is your answer to that?
That's probably going to be that it's going to be me doing this, and that's going to be your thing.
Yeah, I'll give a thing.
And then I'll make your eyes all weird and big and bloodshot.
Nice.
Bloodshot.
What would be the best?
That's a hard question, bro.
Because honestly, look, if I had a million dollars, I had like 1.3 million in the bank.
I've had a million in the bank.
I didn't live in a million dollar house.
That's a lot of commas.
I wasn't living in a half a million dollar condo.
I wasn't driving a Lamborghini.
I was driving in a decent sports car, not red, silver, black, something very.
What kinds?
I mean, I've had Audis, I've had Mercedes, I've had what?
Infinities.
But, you know, those are just, those aren't like amazing cars.
They're $60,000, $70,000.
They're not, it's not a $300,000, half a million, $400,000 Lamborghini.
Right.
Because then everybody's looking at you and people start asking questions.
And so, you know, just something nice.
Yeah.
Lamborghini's like over the line.
Lamborghini, everybody, and I've known five guys that have had Lamborghinis.
Every one of them.
Didn't you just meet two guys who drove twin Ferraris?
Twin Ferraris.
Who were those guys?
Those were the doc, the plastic surgery twin.
Plastic surgery.
You met them on the Bubba the Love Sun show.
Bubba the Love Sun show.
What's a twin Ferrari?
Well, these are twin brothers, right?
They both do plastic surgery.
No, no.
One does matching Ferraris.
One does plastic surgery, but they're both attorneys.
And they both had black Ferraris.
But when I told them, when I mentioned they were matching, they go, no, no, they're actually different.
Are those the guys from the billboards that look exactly the same?
Yes.
Oh, they are?
Yeah, because now they're both, they're lawyers.
They're both Diaco.
One of them has a goatee and the other doesn't.
That's how you tell them apart.
Oh, really?
I didn't.
I'll check the billboard next time.
These guys are creepy.
What was it?
Was it Winters and No, what was the fucking last names?
Was it Diaco or was it Winters and Yonker?
No, no, they're Diaco's.
The Diaco.
Okay, I was going to say, they were the doctor.
Are you thinking Culpeper Curlin?
Culpeper Curlin.
Yeah, they want a set of Diaco's.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, that's what Bubba always says.
I actually got a set of Diaco's.
Diaco's, yeah.
Oh, because he did the titties.
He put the titties on the girl.
No.
Don't, let's not say that.
Don't, don't, don't do it.
We can't go there.
We're live.
There's no editing.
No, yeah, don't.
Don't do it.
That's just mean spirit.
You're killing me.
So listen.
Okay, so what would be the best part?
I mean, what would you say?
Listen, the best part for me, honestly, and you tell me, it's, she says, why can't I find the live version?
Really?
Who said that?
My ex-wife.
She's funny.
How do I send the link?
Just, I don't know.
Text it to her.
Okay, well, that's the link.
Can I just put concrete?
Yeah, I'll text you a link right now.
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
All right.
So, listen, is it fooling somebody?
I don't know.
Listen, there was no bigger thrill than walking in the bank.
Putting down an ID that was issued by the state of Florida or South Carolina, North Carolina, you walk in, you put down your driver's license, you hand them all the fake documents, you sign some documents, they hand you a check for $250,000, and then they thank you for ripping them off and tell you, you have been the best customer I've ever worked with, Mr. Black.
Well, thank you.
Thank you very much.
All right, well, Lee, you have a good day.
Jennifer, you have a good day too.
And walking right out, I mean, let's face it, that's amazing.
Walking through passport control.
And giving them a passport and they go, Mr. Sullivan, are you here for business or pleasure?
And you're like, I'm here for pleasure.
And they're like, oh, okay.
All right, well, thank you, Mr. Sullivan.
Thank you very much.
And sign here.
And you're good.
Thank you.
And you walk out and you're like, this is ridiculous.
I mean, you feel like James Bond.
Hell yeah.
So is it the thrill?
I would have to say it is the thrill.
It's not that I'm trying to make somebody look bad.
It's just that you're, it's amazing that I guess that you're getting away with it.
Of course.
You walk out, you get into a nice car, you go stay at a nice hotel, you're dating an amazing looking chick.
You've got tons of money.
I mean, it's a great feeling.
You know, I mean, I hate to say that, but I mean, it's tough.
You didn't spend your own money.
You know, so, I mean, it would have to be the thrill, right?
It's got to be the thrill.
I mean, it's because it's not the money, because I wasn't living like a multimillionaire or anything.
I wasn't blowing money.
I wasn't driving a Ferrari.
I mean, I'm just having a good time.
That's a bad question.
Anyway, if Shane had $50,000 in the bank, he'd be driving a Ferrari until that next payment came out.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, Surely if I got 50, they'll finance me a Rari.
Yeah, I got it.
I got it.
I got cash.
I'm good.
Yeah, 50.
Oh, you sent it to me?
Okay, cool.
Copy.
Next question.
Awesome.
You got more money questions?
Yeah, we got more money questions.
Tell Danny to shotgun a beer.
Tell me he paid five bucks for that.
Tell me to shotgun a beer?
I'm not shotgunning a beer for five bucks.
Fuck that.
I'll eat a crab leg.
For five?
Five bucks?
No, I think you're up to it.
I'm already like five deep.
Matt, do you want to shotgun a Starbucks for five bucks?
I don't think I can now.
I can't.
Chug the rest of that frappuccino.
This looks like it's got alcohol in it.
No, hell no.
Starbucks.
That's a Starbucks double shot.
Kahlua, right?
Kahlua's got, doesn't it?
It's like coffee, right?
Yeah, that's not Kahlua, though.
No, yeah, you're good on that.
Let's check on the crab, see where the crab's at.
Double shot.
This is pretty good.
I figured you'd like white chocolate.
I don't know why that's there.
There's some sexual connotation there.
This is good.
You guessed right.
Oh, man.
Will you go out and get it for us?
Yeah.
Get me my crab.
So, this is one, two.
What's the next question?
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Five Dollar Beer Challenge00:03:31
I have a guy called me a metrosexual today.
They're all printed.
I don't know.
What's metrosexual?
It's like, to me, it's somebody who's like a guy that's like so into himself.
He's almost like a girl.
Like, he gets everything has to be so, and he gets face peels.
It's kind of like what you.
It sounds more like OC.
What's her name?
Sam.
Sam.
Sam, what's a metrosexual?
She doesn't have a mic.
See?
Okay, she didn't know either.
She doesn't know.
She's not qualified to answer the question.
Well, you got a shitload of plastic sticks in your hand.
Yeah, the laptop.
Look it up.
Let's look it up.
Google it up.
We're learning here.
Yeah, what is the definition of a metrosexual?
A young, urban, heterosexual male with liberal political views and interest in fashion and a refined sense of taste.
Wow, it was way off.
All they missed was the fine arts degree.
Why are you like that?
You have a fine arts degree.
I know.
I'm comfortable with my fine arts degree.
Yeah, I do.
I'm just jealous.
I don't have one.
This is the fine arts degree side of the table.
This is the no degrees side of the table.
Oh, listen to this.
I'm jogging right today.
I found a cell phone, an iPhone.
I mean, this is like one of the big, nice, like, I was like, wow.
I was like, pick it up.
I look around.
Nobody's there.
It's on the sidewalk.
I wait about five minutes listening to the radio.
Okay.
Finally, I call Stacy and I go, hey, I found an iPhone.
How do I find out whose it is?
And she goes, Is it locked?
And I said, Yeah, it's the thumbprint thing.
She goes, Okay, well, take it with you.
They'll call you eventually.
So I'm jogging back.
I jog for like five or 10 minutes.
Somebody calls the cell phone.
I pick up the cell phone.
I answer it.
The woman says, Did you find a cell phone?
I said, Yeah, I found your cell phone.
She goes, Oh gosh.
I go, Where are you?
And she said, I'm here.
I said, Okay, I'm here.
And she says, Okay, well, how can you bring it to me?
And I went, Well, I'm five, 10 minutes away.
You're here.
Can you meet me halfway?
Just head down, it was Bell Lake Road.
And she goes, Well, I'd have to cross the street then.
And I went, Oh, well, we wouldn't want that.
I said, Okay, I'll bring it to you.
So I jog all the way back there.
I give her the cell phone.
Listen, this is a, I thought, Well, maybe she's in a wheelchair.
I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah.
She didn't want to cross the road.
I don't know.
It was Collier.
I mean, it was, it's two lanes.
It was not a big deal.
Anyway, the point, that's not going to happen.
So I give her the phone.
There's a, like a little butt on the side of the iPhone.
And if you hit it, if you switch it, It'll make your phone silent and it just vibrates when people call.
It doesn't bother me.
It's a really cool, it's a really cool invention.
I mean, well, we are like on a talk show right now.
I mean, you're killing me, bro.
So, uh, what are you doing?
So, anyway, yeah, I give her the phone.
She both just takes the phone, she goes, Thank you, and turns around and walks off.
I just jogged.
You couldn't cross the road.
You're like, What'd she look like?
I mean, she was frumpy.
You know what, frumpy looks like?
It's not good, a little baggy.
Yeah, yeah.
All right.
She needed that.
She should have met me halfway.
She needed to meet me halfway.
And I know that sounds mean-spirited, but the fact of the matter is, she was a big one.
Anyway, the plan.
Thanks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nothing.
You know, and here's the thing: like, Stacey goes, she's trying to give you some money.
I said, well, no.
Ex-Wife Question Moment00:10:12
And I thought, you know what?
I'm not going to take any money.
She said, let me give you $20.
I'd be like, no, no, of course not.
I don't want.
But it'd be nice if you offered.
I found your phone.
I returned your phone.
Jogged it to you.
I jogged back like 10 minutes.
And now I have to go back again.
Double time.
Listen.
I'm not being nice anymore.
It's karma.
My therapist tells me, oh, you have to do selfless acts and everything.
That's over.
Over.
They say no more selfless acts.
No good deed goes unpunished.
That's true.
That was just mean.
What's the next question?
Wait, I have something that is probably the best thing I've seen in the live chat from Daniel Gmail.
We have confirmation on what a metrosexual is.
Nice.
And should be defined as from here on out someone who is sexually attracted to trains.
Ooh, shit.
Trains?
Metro.
Literally, it's just silly.
It's a name for a train.
It's just silly.
Thank you, Daniel.
Thank you, Daniel Gmail.
All right, next question.
Well, I just really went off the rails there.
That was a hard hitter.
That was a hard one.
All right, we got Bobby underscore McCutcheon.
How much left of your restitution is there to pay?
That's a good question.
$5,970,000.
I paid off about a little over $30,000, probably close to $35,000.
Maybe $35,000.
Really?
I had a job.
I mean, I didn't have a job.
I was in prison.
35,000 cents when?
When did you start paying it?
Oh, no, no.
That was almost instantly.
They were selling stuff off.
So when I got the $6 million, a month or two later, they had sold some stuff off.
So they went towards restitution.
Sold some stuff off, like your cars and shit?
No, they'd already sold all that.
Like they sold all that.
None of that went towards restitution.
And the restitution that they hit me with, they were saying $9.5 million.
And I was arguing, I've never seen $9.5 million.
That's ridiculous.
I never got 9.5 million.
So we start arguing and we got them down to 6 million.
They were like, well, is it this much?
I'm like, and they're like, look, the FBI's saying it's 11.5 million.
We went at 9.5, and I'm like, so we went back and forth and I got it to 6 million.
But then as soon as my sentencing was over, they were selling stuff off.
They ended up selling some vacant lots or something, and they got like 30 grand in.
And then since then, I've been paying $150 a month.
No matter what, you have to pay $150.
And then anything, I pay 25% of anything I make over $2,000.
So I pay $150,000.
And if I make an extra, if I make $3,000, it's $150 plus 25% of the extra $1,000.
So it's $250 plus $150.
So it's whatever, $400, you know, that's $400.
So I've been paying $360, $200, $500, $150.
You know, I've only been doing that for about a year.
I don't know what that's come to.
It's maybe come to two or three grand, something like that.
Not that much.
I mean, you know, what are you going to do?
You know, you can only pay so much.
I still have to pay bills.
I still have to pay my rent.
I still have to.
How long until you pay off that?
That's for you.
For me.
You got to butt chug it.
Butt chug it?
I think we'll get kicked off YouTube if I butt chug it.
Nope.
It's what everybody wants.
How long until you pay off that?
Nine million.
My ex-wife just sent in a question.
What did she text you?
She goes, did you have sex in prison?
That's a good question.
Yeah.
By myself.
Then she said, Did you meet and marry your ex wife just to piss off Eddie Sorales?
Which was the guy that was dating my ex wife when I'm Eddie Sorales was dating her.
She's going deep.
That was my boss.
That was my boss at the time.
So he's dating this chick, Kayla Burgos, and she comes in to get a mortgage.
She applies for a mortgage.
I know he's dating her, but he's also engaged to some chick.
So I'm like, I start hitting on her, and she's like, I'm dating.
I'm dating Eddie.
And I'm like, yeah, but it pisses off his fucking fiance.
So I was thinking maybe that's not going to work out for you.
So anyway, I keep asking her out.
I ask her out like probably four or five times over the next two weeks.
And eventually she goes, okay.
She goes, yeah, we'll go out.
But she was also, turns out she was the, she worked at the bank I banked with and checked my bank account and then decided, yeah, I'll go out with you after she checked how much money I was depositing every month.
And that's not just me.
She'll tell you that.
So I'm just saying, You know, that's.
But did you have sex in prison?
No.
Will you stop?
Did you have sex in prison?
Asshole, shut the fuck up.
She's pissed off.
That's great.
I mean, that's what you get.
That's what happens.
Everybody wants Danny to shotgun a beer.
There you go.
I'll shotgun it.
Are you serious?
He's a gangster.
I don't even know.
What is that?
Don't you need a pencil or something?
No, he thumbed it.
He's got the strong thumb.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's what's up.
That's the only kind of content you can get right here live on concrete.
Wow.
He set it off.
Oh, this is great.
What happened?
It was great.
It was good.
No, you're good.
What else we got?
Matt, I got another question.
I got a question.
Bubby Main.
Oh, Bubby Main.
Did you ever utilize the dark web during your times of fraud?
I read that question.
No, there was no dark web.
I wasn't out back then.
I don't think there was a dark web.
That was back in 2006, November 16th, 2006.
That was before the internet.
That was right.
I don't know.
That's nice.
I like it.
That was what do you mean, right?
Yeah, sure.
That hurt.
That's fine.
I won't come next time.
Fuck if I know.
All right.
I got another one.
Matt from Michael Rodriguez.
Have you ever ran into someone you've scammed before?
If so, how did the situation occur and how did they react?
I've never, you know, I've never scammed anybody.
Well, like, what about the people, like, maybe the names you used?
Yeah, I was just going to say, there was a guy named.
You saw him at, like, the Walgreens?
No, I mean, I've never saw him.
Like, there was a guy named Scott Cugno, and I used his identity.
And I actually got, like, when I was doing research on my book, I actually got documents in where they talk about talking to him and going to him and saying, They knock on his door and they're like, show him like the marshals or the FBI.
I forget which.
They like, show him like my picture.
He's like, that's Matt Cox.
They're like, well, he just used your identity to cash like $400,000 worth of checks.
And he's like, oh, man.
So I've always wondered if I bumped into him, what he'd say.
You know, like, fuck, bro.
I'd be like, look, I feel bad.
We got to get him on because I knew him.
I knew him.
He was an account rep. I actually, the way I got his information, we'd done a loan for him.
So I had his data, social security number.
Um, So, I had his date of birth social security number, but I didn't have his mother's maiden name and the place of birth.
So, I end up talking, I end up saying, Hey, so Scott, what's up?
How's it going?
He's like, Oh, what's up?
How's it going?
I said, Hey, I said, I go, Cugno.
I go, Cugno.
I go, What is that, German?
Is that?
And he goes, No, no, it's English.
And I go, Oh, are you 100% or whatever it was?
You know, Oh, it's Scotch or whatever.
You know, it's Italian, whatever it was.
And I go, Are you 100%?
He goes, No, I said, What's your mom's last name?
He goes, Oh, my mom's last name.
Boom, just blurts it out.
Okay, now I got your mom's last name.
And then I go, So were you born here in Florida?
And he goes, Yeah, I was born right here in Hillsborough County.
I'm like, Okay, boom.
Now I got everything.
I got your name, date of birth, social security number, and I have your mom's maiden name.
We don't even need to talk anymore.
Slick son of a bitch.
He actually was telling me a story about how his parents met as I was ordering the documents to steal his identity.
I mean, I'm sitting, he's talking to me, and I'm downloading the Hillsborough County application for your birth certificate.
I print out that while he's talking to me, I'm Filling it out while he's telling me, you know, and he's like, Oh, yeah, and this happened.
I'm like, That is a funny story.
That is a funny story.
And I fold it up and I send off the shit.
And a week later, I had, I feel bad about that.
Don't judge me.
I'm not that bad.
And I liked Scott.
Scott's a nice guy.
Great guy.
Listen.
You know, I'm only here.
I need everybody to buy a book.
Buy a book.
Buy some books.
I go over all this in my book.
Where do we buy it?
Where do we buy it?
In print, and nobody's counting on me.
Amazon.
Amazon, bro.
Amazon.
Yeah.
Is it on Kindle?
It's on Kindle, and I have a guy who's turning it into an Audible right now.
Oh, hell yeah.
And they want you to read the Audible.
I read some of them.
I read some of them.
I got a ton of them.
You should read it.
They want your voice.
Listen.
He can't read.
I read like a fourth grader.
Yeah, he does.
Have you?
Yeah, he's heard me.
It's embarrassing.
It is.
It's bad.
Everybody at this table reads like a fourth grader.
You've heard him reading questions and me reading questions.
I'm loaded and leave reading these.
Have some more gummies, dude.
It's bad.
It's nobody like they're like, oh, it doesn't matter.
You haven't heard me read.
You can do it.
You don't know.
It's bad.
So I can't read the fucking book.
Still, it doesn't even matter.
Trust me.
Not with this attitude and the dislike.
All right, let's move on to the next one.
All right, let me check on the crab.
Where's my crab?
We got Betcher J. What was his favorite book he has written, and will he be doing more podcasts?
Confronting Criminal Thinking00:15:24
What is your favorite book you've written?
Uh huh.
What was the second part?
Will you be doing more podcasts?
Shane is teetering right now.
Look at him.
Can you zoom in on Shane's face on the camera?
No, you can't.
I need a super zoom.
I'm trying to think.
My favorite book.
Yeah, bro, writing my book was hard.
That's hard, like writing it.
Your own story?
His own story is definitely his favorite.
Sociopath.
Nice.
Narcissist.
Narcissist.
Well, sociopath, too, probably.
But the point is, what's my favorite?
You know what, honestly, I really liked writing because it's hilarious.
And everybody that's read it, which has only been a few people because I haven't publicized it at all or even mentioned it, is a book I wrote called The Program, which is about me in prison.
It's only like 110 pages.
But it's on Amazon too.
What's it about?
It's about me being in prison, and I was.
It's like the last couple of years I was in prison when I knew I was getting out and I'm writing a bunch of guys' stories, and I keep going into the drug program so they won't ship me to a camp.
Because my mom came every two weeks.
So the closest, if Coleman's is Coleman, it's a low security place.
Yeah.
And it's only an hour away from Tampa.
My mom drove there every two weeks.
So what happens is I was so close to the door and my points were so low that.
The BOP kept saying, We have to ship you to a camp.
You have low, you have camp points.
And I kept saying, I didn't want to go.
Well, eventually they said, We're shipping you.
Well, the only way to keep me there at the low was to get what's called a management variable put on you.
And they, like, if you're in an education program, they won't ship you.
So, and they're good for a year.
So I go, I say, Look, I can't, you can't ship me.
I'm going in the drug program.
I have a drug problem.
So, and they're like, Well, if you go in the drug program, yeah, we'll have to keep you here.
So I go in the drug program.
And they put a management variable on me, but it takes a month or so.
So by the time the management variable comes on me, I immediately drop out of the program.
It's supposed to be good for a year.
Yeah.
Three months later, they call me and say, Look, we're taking the management variable off you.
We're sending you to a camp.
And I'm like, Well, what are you talking about?
It's supposed to be good for a year.
And they go, Yeah, but Cox, there's a real push to get you guys like you into camps and you shouldn't be here.
And I'm like, No, no, no.
I got a problem with drugs.
I got to go back to the drug program.
And they're like, Well, you dropped out.
And I'm like, I know, but I didn't realize how bad it was.
You know, I need to face this.
I usually was so fucking bad, but I mean, I totally put it on.
You sold it.
I sold it.
Like, they're like, okay, well, if you really need it, huh?
I'm like, yeah, I do.
And so I go back in again for four or five months till they put it back on me and then I drop out again.
But I went nine months of the program and the fucking program is hilarious.
I mean, it's.
What are you doing?
Because it's not a drug program, it's a cognitive thinking program where they're trying to retrain the way criminals think.
So they're trying to fix your criminal thinking.
So you have criminal thinking errors or pattern errors or whatever they call them.
And they try and fix it.
So it's a whole program based on it.
So I'm there.
And these other guys, like, if you can go through the program and you can get through and graduate, you get a year off your sentence.
But I'm so close to the door, I don't have time to get a year off my sentence.
So if I'd gone through the first time, I would have got maybe six or seven months off.
And that would have been great, six or seven months.
But I was like, look, if I fuck up and go back to prison, I'm going to need that year.
I'll go to the program if I come back.
If they give me three years, I'll go in the program then and get a year knocked off and get six months halfway house.
I'll be right back out the door.
So I'm not going to do it now.
What if I have to come back?
Save that one for later.
So what do they do to alter your criminal cognition or whatever it is?
They have you.
Do things which are called like RSAs, which are, oh God, what is an RSA?
This is a rational self analysis where you, as soon as something happens, you go through these steps in your mind.
You know what?
They teach you, you think like a normal person.
A criminal doesn't think like you do.
Like you think, if I jumped up right now and said, fuck you, and threw something in your face, you might immediately be like, but before you do anything, you're probably going, okay, where do my alternatives, what are my possible choices?
If I do this, then the cops come and this happens and this happens and this happens, next, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And then you immediately think, I have a child, I have a wife, I have bills, I have this.
So before you know it, you're like, you know, fuck you, Cox, just get out.
But a criminal doesn't think like that.
He's.
How does a criminal think?
I'm going to kill you and fuck the consequences.
I'll go to prison.
I don't even think about the consequences because I'm going to get away with it.
You know, so it teaches them to slow down and calculate all the thoughts that normal people take for granted.
These guys, you know, they don't think like that.
So they have all these little things that you do and they explain, they go through.
Why did you commit crimes or why did you do drugs?
Why did you?
So you kind of really get into all the different reasons that you are committing criminal acts.
And the other thing is, they all held each other accountable.
They take everybody that is in this, goes to the program, and put them in one unit.
So you've got 150 guys who are all holding each other accountable, which means that if I see Shane smoking pot in the fucking bathroom, then in the morning meeting, there's 150 guys in the morning meeting, we're all sitting there facing each other.
You had to rat each other out.
Right.
No, it's holding you accountable.
So, because I care about you, I know it seems like the wrong thing to do, but I'm looking out for you.
Shane, you're not taking your program seriously.
You're not taking your therapy seriously.
I'm sorry.
Right.
Well, that's not going to be good enough, bro.
So, it's going to be more than that.
I'm really sorry.
You have to stand up.
And in front of everybody, they say, look, here's what you did wrong.
You're not taking it seriously.
You made these errors.
You should have done this.
And here's what you need to do to correct your behavior.
And then they give you assignments.
That's what I hated.
You want to pull me up and say, Matt, you were rude the other day.
I saw you do this.
I saw you do that.
You mouthed off to some guy.
Okay, fine.
That's fine.
That's true.
But then it's like basically to fix this, you need to do this.
You need to write a letter home to your family and tell them what you did and that you jeopardized your program and your one year off.
You need to go around to five or 20 different people and get their take on how you behaved.
You need to, next thing you know, you got five fucking hours worth of work to do.
I'm trying to write a book, bro.
I mean, I got you.
Got me in taking classes.
You got me in the meetings.
You got me doing this.
I got to memorize cards.
I'm trying to write.
Oh, I hated it.
But it's comical.
Guys get into fights in the bathroom.
Guys are fucking swinging on each other.
We were there one time.
You got a guy who's there for like cheating the IRS.
Like he lied on his taxes.
He got like three years.
He stands up.
He's caught this guy smoking K2 in the bathroom like twice.
Now, this is a guy whose mom is sick.
And she's probably gonna die if he doesn't get the year off and get out.
And he's let everybody know anybody pulls me up, I'm gonna fucking beat their asses.
I gotta get out of here.
But he's also an idiot because he's still smoking K2.
So this nice guy who's like a CEO stands up.
He's like 60 years old, stands up.
This is a gang member, by the way.
He's like a crypt or a blood from Hawaii who's already been to beaten the state twice on murder charges, happens to be here on a drug conspiracy.
He stands up in the morning meeting.
I'd like to pull up Mr. Whatever his name was.
The other night I saw you smoking pot in the bathroom, or K2.
And so he starts telling him, you got to do this and this and this.
And then they have something called the damaging consequences.
The damaging consequences to your behavior are, and the guy goes, I got your damaging consequences.
The guy's like six foot tall, six foot two.
He swings on him, he punches the guy.
It's like it's chaos.
150 guys are jumping.
He's swinging, he's punching this guy, he's hitting this guy.
It was fucking hilarious.
I mean, I was never in danger.
I'm like, I'm 40 feet away.
I'm like, this is great if I wasn't in the mix.
You're writing a story in your head while you're there.
Oh, the whole time I was there, I was like, oh, this has got to go in.
I can't wait to talk about this on a podcast.
So I have all this.
This is in the book?
It's in the book.
It's hilarious.
Guys are getting caught having sex in the bathroom.
Guys are smoking dope.
Guys are drinking hooch.
They're threatening to kill each other.
Like, I'm going to have to pull you up tomorrow.
He's like, you do that.
I'll pull you up tomorrow.
Beat you to fucking death in your sleep, motherfucker.
And they're like, Holy shit.
Terrified.
He's like, I fucking shit you not.
I will beat you to fuck.
Take a fucking sock.
I'll beat you to death tonight, that night.
He said, Because you're going to lose my year.
Fuck you.
And then, of course, the guy's like, a sex offender.
And then he's like, Look, BOP doesn't give a shit about a sex offender getting beat to death.
So the guy's like, He might be thinking, We probably won't kill me.
Yeah, but you're going to lose an eye if I start hitting you with a fucking lock.
You're going to lose an eye and you're going to get shipped and I'm going to break your nose.
And I mean, it's vicious.
And you know what's really funny is like, you have guys that are like owners of banks being told what to do by crackheads.
So you got some little crackhead who comes up, he's like, listen, I noticed the other day you had your Coke next to the computer and you're not allowed to have that.
And it's the second time.
And if I have to address you again, then I'm going to address you in the morning meeting.
I'm going to pull you up.
And, you know, you're like, I'm a fucking CEO of a bank.
I cheated on my taxes.
You've got a prison GED.
The fuck is, how did I get here?
How is this guy telling me how to live my life?
Yeah, that's fucking crazy shit.
Shit.
Hilarious.
So the whole, everybody that's read the book is like, that's got to just crush, morally fucking crush.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, listen, you can imagine my ego being told, having some fucking guy come up to me and say, Cox, can I talk to you?
Like, yeah, what's up?
And they're like, listen, bro, I noticed the other day, your bed, you didn't do the hospital corner.
And you know, you're supposed to do that.
I'm like, what?
I got you, Joe.
And they're like, no, I know it sounds funny, but, you know, I mean, I'm just bringing it to your attention.
You know, and there's certain key words like, do you have a minute?
Which is basically they're saying they're going to confront level you.
Like, I want to discuss.
So that's the first step.
You have to confront level someone.
If they don't correct the behavior, you get to pull them up.
Well, you have to pull people up to graduate the program.
So they're always looking.
Everybody's on edge.
They're always looking for something.
Danny, I noticed that your shirt isn't exactly, it's not been ironed recently.
And, uh, You know, here in RDAP, we hold ourselves to a higher standard.
I just want to bring it to your attention.
And right then, you know, right then.
That does not teach you how to be normal.
No, listen, it's a completely fucked up program.
Let me tell you one thing.
You know, I got one for you.
One time, a guy is talking to this chick.
He's been talking to her for like a year or so.
He's telling her, I'm getting out.
I got no money.
I got no money.
He convinces her to send him money.
So when I get out, I have money.
I've got a couple grand, three grand on my books.
So when I get out, I'll have three grand.
And he's been.
Getting her to send money.
Well, the drug treatment specialists start listening to his phone calls and they hear him telling her that.
And they come to bring him in the, well, what are you doing?
Well, I mean, I need money and this and that.
Yeah, but don't you have a girlfriend?
Well, I mean, yeah, I got a girlfriend.
Well, you're not being honest.
Honesty is the key to change, it's a foundation.
So you got to send that money back.
Oh, no.
Huh?
Yeah.
The three grand.
Yeah.
Send the money back.
Oh, they'll write, they'll have, Guys write a letter home to their family, and they have their family write a letter back that they then read.
The letter is How did your loved one hurt your family, hurt you?
How did his drug and alcohol or in criminal behavior harm you?
So, you got guys that are getting letters, and then they're reading it in group therapy sessions.
If your mom writes a letter about what your crimes have done to her and how she feels about you, She's never told you this.
Yeah.
And it's read in front of the 20 guys that are in your group therapy.
Oh, that's true.
You've got guys, gangsters, crying like small fucking children, weeping because mom just told everybody how you've embarrassed them, how you're just a scumbag, how they're humiliated by your behavior.
I mean, you got guys that are just.
Listen, there's a lot of stuff they do that will fuck you up.
And guys do.
Some guys.
Are irrevocably changed by that program.
And some guys are just faking their way through it.
But the book, everybody that's read the book is like, bro, it's fucking amazing.
They're like, I'm laughing one minute.
And then when this happened, bro, I was in fucking tears.
You know?
So, bro, the doctor that runs the program there, her name's Dr. Smith, bro, that she, for some reason, the second time I went in, she like took interest in me.
She starts bringing me in all the time, asking about my son.
My son, my ex wife, my mom, my dad.
You have a son?
Yeah, bro, listen.
It got so bad, I was like Pavlov's dog.
Walking to the office, I start tearing up because I know, fuck, she's going to ask this.
She's going to talk about this.
She's going to.
And I mean, I'm just, there are certain things like, I'm like a complete sociopath on certain aspects.
And there's maybe three, four things you could ask me about that I'll immediately start crying like a fucking child.
Is your son one of them?
My son would be one of them, which we're not going to talk about.
We've never talked about that in the podcast.
We're not going to talk about it.
I assure you, we're not going to talk about it.
It's fucking horrible.
Maybe that means that is.
Yeah.
We should.
No.
I think we should.
Listen, I will beat you to death with this heavy fucking thing right here.
And damn the consequences.
My two friends will definitely help me.
I'm definitely not doing it.
I'm working the chat.
He's busy.
He's not in a position to help anybody.
He might help you too much.
He'll be stumbling.
That's all right.
I might be able to take you, Matt.
I don't know.
Pretty good.
That's a fair fight.
No, I'm just joking.
I just paid to see it.
Who else will pay to see it?
Who's going to drop some money in the chat to see that happen?
Me and Matt will wrestle right here on top of this table for the right price.
Yeah.
And depending on how much it gets, depends on how nasty it gets.
No, I'm talking about.
No, I mean, so what else?
What are we doing?
What's going on?
What happened?
Well, that's actually what you were talking about is really interesting.
Like that program to help heal people.
The crabs here.
The crabs here.
The crab's here.
We'll move on.
We have the crab.
Because you can get that criminal sociopath brain.
You're able to fake your way through anything.
So, how can they call you out on you upholding your truth and not just being a complete sociopath criminal and saying what you need to to get through it?
How?
I mean, here's the problem is that.
Well, sorry.
Here's why I think.
And a lot of people go through the program and they know he's faking.
Dr. Smith, keep in mind, she's seen a thousand.
Matt Cox's.
Faking Personality Types00:04:06
She's seen a 2,000 this guy, five that she immediately as soon as you walk in she's categorizing he's got a this personality type.
He's got this.
He's got this.
But as you're sitting there, you sit down as she's talking to you.
She can sit there and go, okay, so one of your parents has an alcohol problem.
Is that right?
And you're like, the fuck do you know that never had a conversation with you?
But within three or four minutes, she's already listen.
I remember I used to say I feel horrible for her her husband or her ex-husband because he's never won an argument.
Guarantee you can't win an argument with this chick.
She could just like stare at you and say, Oh my God, twist this, twist that.
One of those, I would walk in there and immediately I felt like the room was closing in.
The only time I've ever had a conversation with someone, the whole time I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, How can I get out of the room?
How can I get out of the room?
How can I get out of the room?
Even before you're in the room, like you were talking about, she's just in your head that much to where you know the things that she's going to ask you.
Right.
So she would, and there were people, will be people graduating the program and she'll know he faked his way through the program.
He didn't really this way, but he did everything he was supposed to do.
He went through the things.
I can't really change that.
He's going to get the year off and he's going to move forward.
And there are other guys that she knows this guy has irrevocably been changed.
And I think he's a better person as a result of the program.
And listen, honestly, that type of a program should be done throughout the BOP, like to knock off time, because guys are genuinely trying to learn the material.
It's the first time you can see guys that they're really trying.
Some of them are like, oh, I'm faking it.
I'm faking it.
Yeah, you're faking it, bro.
But I seen you crying like a baby in the morning meeting.
You're dealing with a real tease.
Right.
So, you can sit here and tell all your gangster buddies you're faking it.
But the truth is, when they read that letter from your mom or your grandmother, you weren't faking it.
So, you can tell they do change.
Some people do change.
And maybe they change temporarily, but I think it's a good way to help retrain how people think.
And criminals, there's really programs, but the programs are pretty much a joke.
And you can't really expect these guys to go out of their way and try and change when they don't think they have an issue.
But if you gave them an incentive, you said, look, you passed this nine month program.
And you get a year off, they're going to try.
It's going to lower recidivism for sure.
But, you know, it's a limited program, but they ought to do it across the board.
Like, they ought to say, you get 20% off your sentence if you pass this program and do like, oh man, you'd really see some changes.
I think stuff like that is super important, too, because, you know, you reach a certain point in that sort of pattern in thinking to where you don't even recognize the way that you're thinking like that anymore.
And then it just like brings attention to it and helps you get over it.
In that nine months, when they teach you to do these certain things, you have to take workshops and all kinds of stuff.
You have to go through RSAs and, what's the other thing?
God, there's two different types.
I forget the other one.
Actually, in the book, I have my attitude checks throughout the book.
So you actually get to read my attitude checks.
So it's not all of them.
It's like today I was in the chow hall and the guys were standing in front of me.
They were screaming and hollering and being disrespectful.
But you can't get away from them.
They're screaming and hollering.
And all I could think about was hitting one of these guys in the head with a baseball bat.
And so you're sitting there thinking it was everything I could do to tell them to shut the fuck up.
And then you go, attitude check.
You say, what attitude was I struggling with?
And you go, humility.
And then you say, I had to tell myself that they weren't raised in the same type of environment.
And to them, they didn't realize that what they were doing was being rude.
You say, what attitude was I displaying?
And then you say, whatever it was, humility or giving or forgiveness.
I don't know what the fuck attitudes are.
And then you say, if I continue this behavior or practicing these types of self-behavior, Talk or whatever, then I'll be able to deal with, you know, these complete jerk offs that scream and holler and spit in people's faces, you know.
Humility and Attitude Checks00:15:16
Yeah.
You know, you kind of talk your way through it instead of being like, hey, bro, you want to keep your fucking mouth?
You want to be disrespectful?
Well, you got to be disrespectful.
You know, next thing you know, you're in a confrontation.
Right.
That's a way of processing these emotions that you're not used to processing other than dealing with it just like raw rage.
Right.
Right.
And here's the thing is that it's funny because some of the guys that have the hardest time are guys that, Like the smarter guys that have smarter crimes that you would think would sail through, they do sail through.
They sail through the first, second, third phase.
And by like the fourth phase, or is it the third phase?
I forget.
Just before you graduate, when they really expect you to show some emotional changes, that's when they tear guys.
Like, I don't know that I would have graduated the program because that last phase, they destroy me.
That's where they really call you out and get you wrong.
Right.
That's where, and that's, and so graduating the program, I probably could have, maybe I could have graduated.
It would have been hell.
It would have been me in tears for two, three months straight.
I can't deal.
I'll try the Jew of the year.
Yeah.
I'll do the extra year.
That's emotionally taxing too, especially if you've never felt those emotions for that long.
Like a year of just staying within yourself rather than a couple of months of sharing with everybody.
That year sounds pretty good.
Yeah.
But your crab's here, and that sounds pretty good too.
We have a, I wanted pizza.
I'll take pizza.
Give me a, can I have a thing?
We have a crab.
Fucking snow crab leg platter here.
Crab buffet.
Cannot.
Oh.
Thank you.
All right.
Bone appetite.
Dig in, right?
Are you not hungry?
No, I'm hungry.
I'm going to eat some fucking crab.
I'll tell you that.
Shout out to Jamie Walker drinking Bud Light, smoking cigs, and watching.
Hell yeah.
Appreciate you.
This is fucking ridiculous.
This is podcast safe food, right?
Bone apple teeth.
Stink lines killing it behind the board.
Shout out Stinklines.
Come get some boiled peanuts or crab.
All right, next question.
That's your guys' box.
All right, Matt.
CM Cubes, 44 minutes ago.
What has been your favorite car to drive?
Thank you.
Wow, look at these peanuts.
Did I have an Audi A8?
It was like $90, $95 or something like that.
What did I have?
An Audi A8?
No, they didn't know what you had.
It was like a four door.
God, that thing had a ton of horsepower.
It was like 460 or 80 horsepower or something.
Honestly.
The R8?
The A8?
What did you say?
No, I think it was.
It was like a four door.
Look at this peanut.
It wasn't like the sports car.
I forget what the Audi, the sports car.
It wasn't that.
That was your favorite, though?
No, I'm saying that was a nice, nice car.
But honestly, I had an Audi Quattro.
TT, you're the little one.
But I don't think people think that's like a cool, flashy car or anything.
But that was a nice car.
I love that little car.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, it's like, I don't know, people have a weird perception of me or something.
Like I'm doing crazy stuff and it's just not.
I think they equate getting that much money with living a super lavish lifestyle.
It's just not.
You know, I'm not that guy.
You were just like in it to be doing it, it seemed like.
You need napkins?
Yeah.
You're in it, though.
Listen, I need to see somebody eat some of these fucking things.
What do you do?
Seriously?
Yeah, I mean, what am I doing?
I don't eat crab legs.
I don't think I've eaten crab legs, but I. Break it?
Like that?
I get the meat out.
And I'm supposed to be.
I mean, could you have picked a fucking.
So then I'm supposed to what?
Suck the fucking meat out?
Come on, man.
Suck the meat, man.
I mean, I'm.
This, right?
Suck the meat.
Suck the meat.
You couldn't have got pizza.
I said pizza like three fucking hours.
You did say it.
Yeah.
No.
You said crab legs.
You complained that I didn't get your crab legs.
You said crab legs, and then I said, look, I'm going with pizza.
I'm going with pizza.
Your eyes lit up when he said crab legs, so that's why he ordered it.
God, this is ridiculous.
Aren't there like tools?
Aren't you supposed to have tools?
Fuck it, this is ridiculous.
You got ten fingers.
You're supposed to eat real close to the microphone, too.
No.
Crabs only have like two.
Matt Cox, ASMR.
ASMR, mukbang, Matt Cox.
I mean, how do you get it out of the.
Matt.
Have you never had crab legs before?
I've had them before, but they were like things you could crack them open with.
They had tools and shit.
This ain't Ruth Chris, Matt.
Far from it.
Damn, this is good, though.
Boiled peanuts are fire.
Yeah.
All right, what's the next question?
I can't touch my computer anymore.
All right, I got this guy.
It's not really a question, but Danny printed these, so I'm going to read it.
It says, Kevin Love Doll, four months ago.
I need this guy's phone number.
I only owe a third of my home's value and I can't even get a call back from a bank to refinance it.
That doesn't seem right.
You go to hard money guy.
I wonder what his DTI is.
What's the DTI meme?
Listen.
Is that like DTI?
Why can't he get a call back?
I don't know.
Probably they're pulling his credit.
Maybe his credit's bad or something.
But even then, you could get a hard money loan.
But hard money loans fucking.
It depends on what he wants to do with the loan.
He just wants to pull a bunch of cash out.
And what's he going to do?
I mean, is it worth.
And he could be saying the wrong thing.
Like, I've had guys come in before, and the mortgage company, they come in and they owed $100,000 on a $250,000 house.
That's a no brainer, right?
You're going to do that loan.
And then when the bank says, Well, what do you want the $100,000 that you're going to get out?
What do you want it for?
Oh, I'm going to quit my job and go open up a business.
Yeah, we're not lending the money.
Because so you had a stable job, which is how you're going to pay them back.
You're now saying, I'm going to quit my stability.
And I'm going to go start a venture that has a good chance of failing.
Because what is it?
Is it three out of four businesses fail?
I have a question, Matt.
First three years or something like that?
I forget what this is.
Should be good.
How do you.
I'm setting up pretty good.
This is great.
How do you think the mortgage business is doing?
How do you think the banks are doing with mortgages, home mortgages, right now during this plague we're going through?
Oh, I'm sure it's fucking horrible, right?
Really?
I don't know.
I don't have a question.
I talked to a banker today.
He said it's amazing.
It's great.
He says they're doing loans, more loans than they've ever done.
That's funny.
And they're doing a lot of new construction loans, too.
Yeah, okay.
Maybe he's just trying to sell me.
Yeah, I don't know what that is.
I mean, listen, so how are you proving these people's income, or are they giving them some kind of exception where they're saying, look, you don't have to prove your DTI because you've been out of work for a month and a half?
Right.
So you've been out of work for a month and a half, and I'm going to give you a loan.
We don't even know when you're going to have another pay stub.
I'm asking you for your last two pay stubs.
They can't provide them.
Oh, well, I have unemployment, really?
So you're getting like a third of what you would be getting.
I mean, I don't even know how that works.
Maybe they're saying, oh no, we're giving you an exemption and we're doing this.
Okay, well, that's possible.
But I mean, I don't do loans, but I can't imagine they're doing great.
Yeah.
I got a question.
Sure.
You know a lot about mortgages?
A little bit about them.
Do you know anything about Morgan and Morgan?
I don't know.
Morgan and Morgan, that's the lawyers.
For the people.
No, I don't know anything about them.
Why?
I'm just curious.
Why?
I don't know anything about them.
Why?
I don't know anything to do with mortgages.
I don't know.
It rhymes with mortgage.
It starts with an M. What's happening?
Damn.
Shane's fucking baked right now.
Shane, you got any questions?
Crab's hitting.
Crab hit different.
I can't scroll through the questions.
I gotta use the back of my hand to scroll through these questions.
What is this?
What are these?
All right.
Oh, that's potatoes.
It's a big potato.
It's a big potato.
They're all yours.
There's no fork or anything.
No, sorry.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Next question, Shane.
Good looking.
They're all kind of like the same.
They're always like, what's your biggest regret?
What do you do?
Is it worth it?
No, it wasn't worth it.
No, it was 12 years.
Did you use the dark web?
I didn't use the dark web.
What was your favorite car?
All right, here's a different one.
Flash underscore Gordon.
Since you've made lots of fast money, does working a normal job to you to make money seem extra mundane to you now?
I don't have a normal job.
I paint paintings and I write and I get, you know, I sell books and I get money and I got a little bit of money that comes in every once in a while from royalties.
And I don't have a normal job and I'm trying to, I'm working on getting a series.
Would you ever get like a regular normal job?
Yeah, I would do that.
I would do that.
Like just a Jiffy lube or something.
Weren't you working at a gym?
Weren't you like working at a gym doing a cleanup?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was like.
I'd love to.
I don't know where that went, bro.
Something dropped.
That's a little dog in here.
We'll find it.
I mean, when I was in the halfway house, I worked in a gym.
That's a little dog.
What?
Oh, bro, the weirdest shit just happened.
I can't even explain it right now.
I don't know what's happening.
Changing knows what's happening either.
I can't believe I'm the one who's on probation here.
I really.
Everybody at this table has been on probation at some point.
That's very true.
Next question.
I have a legitimate question though.
We learned our lesson, Matt.
They corrected our criminal thinking.
Yeah.
Did it work on you?
Me?
So far?
So far it's working.
So on the American Greed series, when they go into the art that you would leave behind.
No, this is like a legitimate question about it.
I want to know, what are some of the things that inspired you to create the pieces?
And where did that come from?
Like the sculpture that you left in the apartment?
Where did that come from?
Was there any meaning to it or was it just a spontaneous act of creation?
You want tater?
Tater up.
I have no idea.
This is hot as hell.
My lips are all fucking.
There's water right there.
There's a bottle of water right there.
Do you need more coffee?
I know.
I brought the bottle of water.
We got spicy boiled peanuts and we got spicy ass boiled peanuts.
Spiciest boiled peanuts I've ever had.
They're good.
Didn't we have a talk about not getting spicy?
I would have just said.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
Danny doesn't listen.
Never does.
He just doesn't care.
He listens to himself.
Probably true.
So.
I would love to redo that statue.
I've tried to completely do it twice.
Both times something has happened, and I ended up having to ditch this statue for some reason.
Oh, I know.
I was actually working on that statue again when I got arrested in 2006.
And the other time was we couldn't fit it in the back of the van.
We had this little SUV thing, and we packed our stuff, and I couldn't get it in the back of the van.
So I ended up leaving it in the garage.
And then they said, then when the guy got found that came in the house, he said that I'd stuck it in the middle of the living room, taunting him.
It was in the garage.
And you just didn't have room for it.
I just didn't have room for it.
It wasn't, I didn't leave it to taunt you.
It was sitting in the garage, but whatever.
But that was, to their credit, they were just trying to make the show a more entertaining show.
Yeah, sure.
It was good.
But it was like the sculpture itself, though, like that was just like a reoccurring thing that you would just be making.
I don't know why.
I've actually drawn that, by the way, a few times.
Like I drew a guy in the same kind of basic position inside of a box.
Treon has that picture.
I need to get that picture from Treon.
He probably feels it's his picture at this point.
Been holding it for a while.
So, I don't know.
It's just this.
I don't know if it's agony or just being tortured or just.
Yeah, I don't know.
There probably is.
What would you say?
Guilt?
Why?
What does it look like to you?
To me, it looked like somebody reaching for help.
Oh, okay.
Because, you know, it's like kind of like in this position.
Like it's like, you know, he's more like this.
He's more like, or is he like this?
I forget, but yeah.
You know, in Walking Dead, when they have the zombies on the side of the road and they're like, cut in half and they're just like stuck there and it's just the head and the arms.
That's what it reminded me of.
I should redo that.
I should go get some chicken wire.
Yeah, you really should.
That would be pretty cool right there.
Somebody would buy that, that for sure.
Yeah, who would buy some of Matt's art out there?
Yeah, let's buy some books, buy some art, subscribe to the page.
Oh, spicy crab.
Next question, This is just this.
I'm gonna have to go get something to eat.
You're not, you're not stuffed.
I can't eat this.
There's no meat in it, and you it's.
It takes too much to break it apart and you don't have the tools and it's.
You know the Metrosexual map.
I yeah, We'll take you to McDonald's after this.
TACO BELL, it's only shit.
That's open.
Somebody said they've never seen somebody complain about crab legs.
You're definitely not from Florida I'm from Florida.
I was born in Florida.
I consider myself a Florida cracker.
I mean, you know, I'm sorry that I, you know, unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Unreal.
Unreal.
Can't believe this shit.
Which one of his IDs do you need to see for you to believe that he's from Florida?
That's amazing.
All right, next question.
What's the next question?
They're really all the same shit.
Sorry, just ask them.
What was your biggest regret while you were doing fraud?
What was my biggest?
Throughout your entire career, what's the one thing that if you take back one thing, what would it be?
Other than this podcast?
I was going to say.
Wow.
See, you know what?
That's one of those.
That's good.
That's a loaded question.
Because think about it.
I know the correct answer is.
There's sausage?
Yeah.
What is it?
Let me hold that.
The correct answer is.
Let me get a piece of sausage.
I wish I'd never committed fraud to begin with.
Right?
Isn't that the correct answer?
No, I want to hear the truth.
That's the answer.
I mean, if the scenario.
It also says, like, was there a specific person or situation you regret doing?
I regret doing it.
Tom Joe.
Yeah.
Is there a specific one?
Biggest Career Regrets00:04:52
Person or fraud crime or.
I don't know.
Wife probably texted him.
That looks serious.
Time to change the diaper.
Everybody, pray for Danny.
It's time to probably throw.
He's probably going outside to throw up bad crap.
Bad crab.
Too many shit.
We're all going to be throwing out crabs.
Crab's great.
This crab is amazing.
The sausage is fire.
Oh my gosh.
My nose is running.
Oh, that shit was too spicy.
It's all spice.
This crab is amazing.
There's more sausage in there if you want to try it.
This sausage is really good.
Is it?
No, I just, no, I'm good.
I'm good.
This doesn't taste like it mixes well with coffee.
What doesn't mix well with coffee?
I've never sat down for a nice cup of coffee and a plate of crab.
Let's see.
Ooh, that's refreshing.
What would be biggest.
Okay, I got it.
All right.
All right.
So, one, I made people throwing money.
You know, I should, you know, one of the problems when I was in South Carolina and I'd applied for a bunch of loans and one of the loan officers actually, like, I was closing the loans and one of the loan officers left and went on vacation and then came back and processed the loan.
So, the actuary, the abstractor went down to public records to check public records.
Mm hmm.
As loans were closing, so she actually caught several of those loans.
Well, I had like, we had like 1.3 million in the bank and we'd taken out like 600,000 or something.
The problem was, I remember she was saying she was going on vacation, but it wouldn't slow down, it wouldn't stop the process, no big deal.
Where I'll put everything through, I'm like, okay, so we're still going to close within the next, you know, 30 days.
Oh, yeah, no problem.
No problem.
Well, she didn't.
And I remember thinking it may be an issue.
And right then, I was like, oh God, what if she doesn't?
I was like, was she saying she's going to?
So I didn't.
You know, I was questioning it, but she seemed like I should have right then been like, yeah, you know, I'll come back or I should have, but I didn't.
That was an issue.
That was an issue.
The other issue was the thing I did with Allison Arnold, which was where she pretended to be Rosita Perez.
Like, that was so, there was just no real benefit.
It was just Allison saying she wanted to do something.
What could she do?
I had everything going smoothly without her doing that.
And for some reason, I was like, well, you know, you could do this.
It was kind of like I was just trying new things to give her something to do.
And it was stupid.
I could have given her, you know, I could have just said, look, let me give you 10 grand.
Right.
Go spend this.
Right.
You can pay me back later.
I'll get you on your feet.
No big deal.
But instead, and I was giving her money, I did rent her a place and bought her stuff.
But I was like, I did it just because it was kind of a practice run to see what would happen and this and that.
And really, what I was doing was working very smoothly and was just pure stupidity.
It was like trial and error.
Well, I mean, that's not the kind of business you do trial and error.
Yeah.
Trial and error is somebody gets caught and goes to prison.
And it was just a complete disregard for everything that I had already kind of knew was.
Wasn't going to work or shouldn't be tried, and I tried it anyway because I was thinking I'm not going in the bank.
So, worst case scenario is they get grabbed, I'll get them a lawyer, will this, will that.
You know, it was just stupid.
Yeah, but you can't always trust people in that situation.
Oh, no, you can't trust anybody.
Nobody I know didn't turn on me immediately, but I didn't know that at the time.
At the time, I thought, oh, well, you know, this person won't say anything, but that just wasn't the case, you know, which is fine.
You know, I don't blame anybody.
It was certainly, it was absolutely my fault.
Like, I never should have involved Allison Arnold.
And she didn't even do anything.
She didn't even know anything.
She was just, she was just in a bad spot.
And I took advantage of the situation.
She was just there.
Yeah.
You know, and she, I should have known.
I mean, I, not I should have known.
I did know and I did it anyway.
Because I thought, well, I wonder if this will work.
Yeah, this should work.
Yeah.
Hey, we could do this.
And what the fuck am I doing?
I'm already, I've already got a foolproof plan that's making tons of money.
But you wanted more.
Yeah.
Well, I was, it wasn't more.
It was just trial and error.
I wonder if this will work.
Now it's just like, hey, Let's tweak it here.
Let's do this.
Let's do this.
Hey, I wonder if this would work.
It's like, okay, what are you doing?
You're getting fucking creative.
You've got a foolproof money making machine right here.
Taking Advantage of Situations00:16:05
Don't get cute.
Just stick with the plan.
It's working.
Nobody, the banks didn't even know they were being defrauded.
I'm buying a house for 50 or 40, recording the value, borrowing 150, 160, walking away with $100,000.
Then the house goes into foreclosure six months later.
The banks take it back.
They don't even realize that they lent $150,000 or $100,000 more on a house.
They take it back, they sell it, they take the loss, they think, well, we just lost $100,000.
That happens sometimes.
And that's what they were, it was happening for a year and a half.
They're not even looking, they don't even realize it.
And then I start getting cute.
It was just that, that was just pure stupidity.
I think that answers the question pretty much.
It's just stupidity.
I've got lots of stupid things I did.
It hurts me when you ask questions like that.
I would screen them better.
I didn't.
You know, I'm just reading these.
Danny prints them.
He picks these.
Yeah.
I got one.
Keep that in mind.
From David Renee, who dropped $5 in the crab bucket.
Woo!
Thanks, David.
Spicy.
I see.
If the U.S. government had offered Matt the chance to work for them for 20 years minimum, non negotiable, in exchange for no prison time, would he have done it?
I mean, am I going to get paid?
I mean, I still have to get paid.
I still have to live.
That's one of those questions.
Are you setting terms for the U.S. government?
I am setting terms because if they're like, oh, we're going to pay you $24,000 a year for the next 20 years, well, I'm not.
I mean, you'd rather just ride it out in jail.
I don't know.
I mean, that's like, can I work a side job?
Like, I'm an indentured servant for.
The next 20, you know, that's a tough, like, or you go to jail for 10 years or you get 26 years or 20, you know, whatever it is.
I need more, but I would basically say if the terms were correct, then yeah, I would absolutely do that.
Of course.
Good answer.
Who wouldn't do that?
You know, that's the whole Frank Abigail thing, the catch me if you can.
Like, everybody that watches the movie thinks that the FBI got him out of prison.
They didn't get him out of prison.
You know, he got out of prison on, if you read his book, he actually got out of prison on parole.
Hmm.
He was denied, I think, the first and second time he was up for parole.
I think he did like six years total on a huge sentence of like 14 years or something.
I think it was 14 years.
He ended up doing like five or six years.
He gets out and then he starts working for the working teaching classes.
Like it doesn't happen the way they portrayed it in the movie.
He actually did all of his time.
And people are like, oh yeah, the FBI came and they got him out.
No, they didn't.
You all watched the movie.
The movie's wrong.
Read his book.
He tells the whole thing, he tells exactly what happens in his book.
Which is called The Art of Steel.
That's the second book to Catch Me If You Can.
And he goes over a whole bunch of scams and stuff, too.
It's actually pretty cool.
Catch Me If You Can, the book is pretty cool.
Really?
Is the book the same?
The book is that same title?
Catch Me If You Can?
Catch Me If You Can.
It's almost exactly like the movie, almost.
There's some subtle differences.
We're actually heading in a great direction because we got another question from Sandro Niels, who dropped five bucks.
What is the best fraud Matt ever heard about, and is it still going on?
Also, he needs an audiobook version, and he wants you to read it.
And I'll read the audiobook.
Well, you must have just tuned in.
I've got a professional narrator doing the audio version of it.
They want your voice.
Yeah, they don't want a professional.
They don't want your voice.
It's like a real thing.
I can't read it.
I read like a fourth grader.
It would be horrible.
And you wouldn't want to read it.
Why don't you do your audiobook the same way David Goggins did his audiobook?
He didn't actually read from anything.
He basically just did what we're doing.
He had like a professional.
He's talking about a story to somebody.
Yeah, David Goggins did an audio version of his written book.
And he basically had a guy who was a professional, like a professional story guy who reads books, basically ask him a list of structured questions to where Goggins could fill in the blanks talking from the heart.
You know what I mean?
Right.
So it was kind of like a hybrid podcast slash audio book.
And it was actually really entertaining.
I thought it was done really well.
You should check it out.
That would be a good option for you to do.
I think people would love that.
You could give me the link.
I could ask you the questions.
I'll send it to you.
I'll send it to you.
Give me the link.
We could hang out and check out.
Yeah, we could eat crab and read your audio book.
Look at this.
Shane is fucking up.
I'm having too much.
He is.
There's more crab over here.
Yeah, you want these crab and taters?
I mean, he's chewing up the bone.
I'm going to let him go to waste.
He's chewing up the bone, too.
I mean, it's the bone.
It's my first time eating crab.
I got to be careful.
No, no.
Here, put it over here.
We don't got to spill it.
Let me throw this away.
Don't waste it.
Don't waste the juice.
Don't waste the juice.
Hey, who wants to see Danny drink the juice?
If anybody drops 10 bucks, Danny will drink the juice.
50 bucks, he'll drink the juice.
I don't think Danny's drinking that juice.
He'll drink it.
Drop a crab emoji if you want to see Danny drink the juice.
I need a toothpick.
A toothpick.
Let me hold a toothpick.
We can't even go out to dinner anywhere, Matt.
What do we do now?
I can't.
I mean, boy, he planned this.
He did, huh?
He didn't.
Nobody said nothing to me about the whole coronavirus thing.
He planned it.
Danny?
To make sure all the restaurants were shut down so that we couldn't go.
Oh, you didn't have to pay for it?
No.
You know what's left is crab.
You know, the best restaurant he's brought me to is Waffle House.
Waffle House?
You're not going to get much better than that.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the best.
And I love Waffle House.
That's top level for him.
But for him, That I mean he's driving a Land Rover what what is he's selling you short?
Yeah, he's something else so the five stars.
Yeah This guy when you first came on the podcast We honestly thought that you might have been hitting on Shane.
We thought you we thought that you might have been horny for Shane.
Look at see that true.
No, he's you know, I'm not say that after the first podcast.
Yeah, we got some crab emojis We were getting some vibes from you Matt.
We thought that you might have nice you might have been playing both sides of the fence We thought that maybe you didn't leave it behind the gate behind the Listen, if I was gay, I would have stayed in prison.
I'd have been perfectly happy.
The gay guys in prison are the happiest guys there.
They're really okay with everything.
So it's like being in a women's prison.
You're like, Yeah.
Where are we at?
What are we doing?
You're drinking crab juice.
We got a lot of crabs.
We got a lot of crabs.
Where are my crabs at?
We got a lot of Waffle House and crabs.
All right.
Let's let Shane finish eating these crab legs and I'll drink the juice.
Oh, are you?
He's done.
I know you're joking.
Where are we at?
We're about.
to watch you drink some crab juice.
I said the crab legs aside.
Should we put some Jack Daniels in the crab juice?
Yeah, a little bit of Jack.
Should we?
All right, do we have another question here?
This is two hours.
We're going on two hours.
It feels like we just started.
Danny picked the worst stuff to ask.
Why would you pull it up so hard?
Why is it the worst?
Just long, stupid questions.
Just because you don't want to read the questions.
He can't read the long ones.
He's doing fine.
Listen to this one.
Not really a question.
They're like, not even a question.
If it's not a question, then don't read that one.
Yeah, read it.
It's a great comment.
Yeah, what is it?
They're letting you know it's not a question.
We want to know his reaction to the comment.
Not really a question.
Hey, Matt, I take criminal justice courses at school, and we had to do a presentation on criminal of our choice.
Most people chose Bundy, the Zodiac killer, you know, people like that, but I chose you.
Your life.
Fuck yeah.
Your life of crime from this podcast just intrigued me so much.
You're an excellent storyteller.
As well.
Glad you got your life turned around.
That's from Antonio 53 minutes ago.
That's gonna make you feel good.
Yeah yeah, that's good.
How do you feel?
How's that make you feel you like that?
No, that makes me feel good.
It's like yeah, it's like when the guys that he's got another one yeah, there's a lot of shit like this I was gonna say there's, and then there's Chris Swanner five months ago.
He's the most interesting self-centered narcissist I've ever liked.
I watched all three videos.
First two back to back.
I couldn't turn it off.
It's funny that you completely love the self centered narcissist thing.
I have no problem with it.
It's like, no, it's not that you don't have a problem with it.
You kind of like, you push it.
I don't, because it's true.
You own it.
Don't you have to own it?
Yeah.
I mean, look, what could I say?
I could sit here and go, that's not true, really, because everything about you says something different.
So for you to sit there and deny that, it just gives power to the people that are saying it in a negative light.
I don't see it in a negative light.
You know, I know it's a thing.
I know it's definitely, I want to say it's an issue.
And in some ways, I'm working on it.
And in some ways, I'm running with it.
So if I could tweak it enough so that I actually gave a shit about other people more, that would help.
But it's difficult for me to focus in on other people without trying to switch the conversation back to me.
And it's an asshole thing to do.
And I see myself doing it all the time.
And I'll walk away from a conversation and be like, God, you self centered, fucking selfish prick.
You just had that whole conversation with this person.
And every time you tried to turn it back on yourself, and I'll see myself doing it in the middle of a conversation.
You know what I noticed about your podcast, or not your podcast, but when you went on Bubba the Love Sponges show?
Bubba's always turned to stuff about making stuff about him.
Right.
Like he's interviewing you, and the Diaco guys are talking about you, or whatever.
Before he kind of like gave in finally and let you tell the story, I feel like he was always talking about something like trying to relate it to himself or talking about something that he went through and asking questions.
It seemed like he was.
Well, I think to be in entertainment or to be a personality, you have to have a certain amount of narcissism.
Yeah.
I mean, Bubba's definitely a narcissist.
Yeah, that's true.
But I think Bubba still owns it.
Do you think Bubba's a bigger narcissist than you are?
I hope so.
I mean, I mean, I, you know, I don't know.
I mean, I honestly, I. Way to be modest.
For once.
I mean, I, you know, I honestly, if I could change it, I would.
And I'm constantly struggling to make alterations to the behavior.
And it's difficult.
And knowing it, you would think knowing it, like they're like, you know, oh, admitting you have a problem is part of, is, you know, half the battle.
It's the first step.
Bro, listen, I've known it.
I've known it for a long time.
And it's, Fucking difficult.
Sometimes I just get sick of myself.
So, you know, I don't know.
I don't know what the question was.
Neither do I. How was the Bubba podcast?
When you went on Bubba's show, how many times did you go on Bubba the Love Sponge?
Twice.
I was excited just to go on because I grew up with.
He's a big shot.
I grew up, you know.
He was the Howard Stern of the South of the Tampa Bay area.
I think he worked with Howard Stern.
Yeah, he's good friends with us.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I mean, I thought the podcast was uh fine.
I went on it twice, and uh, but you know, it's a problem, too, is that it's a much different format, and it's a fraternity club kind of guys screaming and hollering, and kind of like this, but but but amplified, they really talk over each other.
They were arguing with a couple of lawyers, and then Bubba, yeah, but the lawyers were well, the lawyers were better than Bubba, um, but it's the same thing, it's a lot of cutting up, and that's what people want to hear.
And then when you're listening to a radio program, that's kind of what you want to hear, but it's like okay, but.
I'm not one of the personalities here.
You asked me here to tell my story.
And then I start telling the story, and they keep, they interrupt and they laugh and they choke.
And it's like, right, you can't tell the story.
Well, I kind of feel like I'm supposed to get through the whole story.
That's what you asked me to do.
And you keep interrupting and it keeps stretching.
And next thing you know, it's three hours.
I haven't told, really gone through the story.
And it's like, I feel like I fucked up.
Like, I thought you wanted me to tell, like, I can't stop you from interrupting and talking.
Yeah.
So it's like, well, did I fuck up?
Is it me or am I not understanding?
And the other thing is, you go on these podcasts, And, like, you never talk to the guys.
Like, the guy from Valutainment, I figured, okay, well, I'm going to, because, like, even with you, when I got here, well, the first time we were here, I got here, I sat down, you said, okay, well, here's how it's kind of going to be.
And you kind of explained everything.
You know, you said, yeah, we'll just talk about this.
Just tell your story.
How long is your story?
What do you want to talk about?
What do you think?
So, what's the best?
You kind of had a little, it was only five minutes, but we had a discussion.
When I went to Valutainment, I walked in, the guy's sitting there.
He's like, hey, Matthew Cox, right?
Hey, how are you?
How are you?
That was a great impression of his voice, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
And so he sits, I sit down and I'm like, hey, he's like, okay, well, yeah, we're going to go ahead and roll.
And I'm like, well, where are we?
This is it.
We're going to, he's like, yeah, yeah, I've already read everything on you.
I know the story.
I got you everything.
I was like, oh, okay.
So, and then boom, it just started.
Time is money.
I had no understanding what was going to happen.
Same thing with Vlad.
I sat down, his picture comes on.
We talked for maybe a minute or two about a release he asked me to sign.
And I was like, the way it's worded, this and this, I'm not quite sure.
I don't feel comfortable with this.
He's like, well, you can write this in, fix it, however, what do you want to say?
I said, I just want to say this right here.
And he's like, okay, that's fine.
I don't have a problem with that.
So we changed a couple of things.
So you literally signed a physical release, even though he was on Skype.
So the camera guy had a release?
Yeah, I had a release with Vlad.
You know, for the podcast, same kind of thing I signed for Valutainment, but you know, basically what they ask you for, like everything.
Yeah.
And so you're kind of almost, it's not like you're signing over stuff, but they act like, oh, it's not a big deal.
It's not a big deal.
But I've been in the situation where it's not a big deal.
It's not a big deal.
And you sign.
And then later on, it's like, oh, well, you signed here.
You signed.
Yeah, but you said that wasn't what I was signing.
You said it was this.
And oh, that's what you signed.
You're like, well, fuck.
So I always kind of read through it and say, you learn the hard way.
Yeah, I'm not good with this.
And they're like, you know, scribble that out.
And I'm like, look, if you're only going to put it on your platform, you're not going to sell it for a documentary.
You're not going to, no, no, no, no.
It's just for my platform.
It will only be, okay, great.
Let's say that.
And then I jot it down.
So we had a quick discussion.
He said, no problem.
I jot it down, take a picture.
And the next thing you know, he's like, okay, let's go ahead and start.
Boom.
So really, this has been like probably one of the best podcasts I've been on, even though he's crazy and it's long and it's like, but it's more casual and you don't.
What's more casual?
This.
Oh.
It's a for me, the value tainment guy was good, was pretty good too.
They're all good, they're all good.
They don't say they're bad, they just those guys have been doing it way longer than I have or than we have.
Those guys have been doing those like one on one interview type shows for a long time, and they've done a shitload more than I have.
That's for sure.
But you're not trying to put yourself in the story, you're not trying to dictate the story.
You're like, so what happened?
You're just like, so what happened next?
So what happened?
So you get to tell the story that you want to tell.
Value Tainment Interviews00:07:26
Well, neither is Vlad.
I mean, Vlad's not even on camera.
He's just.
No, but he does.
No, he's not.
He's asking questions and he's jumping.
So if you have a certain, like, for me, I have a chronological story that I basically tell.
It's my story.
You say, tell me your story.
Do you jump from college back to high school and then to when you worked when you were 50 and then back to, and then all the way back to the beginning?
Or do you tell your story?
If you had to tell your story, would you tell it chronologically?
Yeah, yeah.
Say it chronologically.
These guys are all, some of these guys are all over the place.
And sometimes they're asking questions like, So, what do you think about mortgage rates right now?
I'm not in the mortgage industry.
I've been in the mortgage industry for 15 years.
How would I know what rates are going to do?
What do you think the current real estate market is going to do?
I don't own anything.
I don't own a piece of property.
I don't have my finger on the pulse of real estate.
So, I don't know.
So, it's funny that they would even think that I would have any idea of what's going on.
Well, those guys know what they're doing.
Probably so more than we do.
So.
Doubt it.
Next question.
Not really questions.
All right.
Flowmaster925 four months ago.
Before his plastic surgery, he looked like Theo Vaughn.
You did look like Theo Vaughn.
What's Theo Vaughn?
Theo Vaughn has a podcast.
Shane knows who he is.
You look nothing like this guy.
Where?
Let me see.
Let me see.
He has a mullet.
He has a mullet, but he has the same nose you used to have.
Used to have.
I don't know.
If he had his hair parted down the middle, it'd be kind of a cross.
Yeah, the center hair part.
Yeah.
That's funny.
Could be.
Could be.
I'll take that.
I'll take that.
That's a compliment.
There's worse things to be compared to.
Yeah.
The Obama's a good looking dude.
I suppose.
Go ahead.
Next one.
Dan Bowman, three months ago.
You think Becky spent the whole $29,000 on more Coke?
What is damn.
Becky looks like she did a mess, a whole mess of Coke.
I don't know.
She never did Coke when she was really?
No.
I find that so hard to believe.
I mean, she may have that not with me.
I don't know.
$29,000.
What's $29,000?
I don't know.
Where did you get 29 grand?
I don't know where you got it from.
I did cash a check one time, I think, for 29 grand.
Maybe that fell in the story somewhere.
Somehow, I don't know.
Everybody wants Danny to take a swig from the Jack Daniels bottle.
From the JD bottle?
Yeah.
Okay.
Straight out the bottle.
Can anyone give any money for it?
No, but they're dropping a shit ton of sun emojis.
Someone can drop five bucks and I'll take a swig.
Somebody drop five bucks and Danny will take a swig.
Wow.
Yeah.
What the heck?
He's a jukebox.
I'm not a burger.
He don't play for free.
My name's not Shoe Nice, motherfucker.
All right, next one.
I got one from Ben Lichanowski.
Will Matt ever release merch?
A shirt that says, You're assuming I'm Gary Sullivan.
Yes.
That's a deep cut.
That would be a really good one.
The next merch line should be Matt Cox's merch line.
Yeah.
We could do a whole merch line.
You're not doing that.
Look at him.
He's thinking, How can I make more money on this guy?
We need a collaboration t shirt.
One collaboration run.
And we'll put it on with it.
A collaboration.
We'll give you all the proceeds.
Huh?
We'll give you all the proceeds.
We'll donate all the proceeds.
I guarantee that's not what it is.
To Gary Sullivan.
As soon as we figure out a soche.
To Gary.
Oh, man.
That's fucking great.
Yeah, that would be oh, here's another one.
Was Becky a freak?
Who was Becky?
Which one was Becky?
Becky was the girl in the first story.
The Bonnie and Claude.
James McKay.
The Bonnie and Claude of Becky.
That went on to run.
Yeah, she was the one to interview with her.
Short blonde hair.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
People would buy it.
Typical what Becky would look like.
Short blonde hair.
Looked like she did a lot of coke.
People are into the merch.
I probably could do it.
I should do it.
And I've had multiple people say, you've got to do a merch account.
You've got to do it.
We can do it.
Yeah, no, listen, it's too much.
Listen, this guy, really, I mean, honestly.
You seem surprised.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I guess I'm naive.
He seemed the first night we did the one podcast and we went out and we went somewhere in eight.
He, Danny, when I walked away, he was like, I remember everybody was like, So what was that guy like?
You know, who said that?
Just people were, you know, Stacey or people that had walked in there.
So what was Danny like?
So what was he like?
I was like, He's really just a nice guy.
Like he started concrete.
Like I kind of thought he was kind of jerky, kind of like a jerk.
I said, But he's not.
He's really a nice guy.
And he started this whole thing just because he wanted to give people a platform to tell their stories.
And You know, it's like it's not even a full time gig.
He just does it because he likes it.
He really enjoys it.
And this and this, you know, and then, you know, he, ever since then, I slowly, my first impression was, you know, he really built him up.
Yeah, then it's like, you know.
It's all downhill from there.
Wait a minute.
We had somebody donate some money for you to take a shot.
How much money?
50 NOK.
What the hell is an NOK?
It's okay for you to take a shot out of the Jack Daniels bottle.
And it's okay.
And it's okay.
You can do it now.
Since you skipped the crab juice.
Hundreds.
Smells good.
I won't touch my lips to it because I know we're all drinking out of it.
All right, Matt.
Brandy.kitchen.
Hey, I want to know what his opinions is on the current real estate market in Florida.
We just had this conversation.
I know.
That's what I'm saying.
All this shit is the same shit.
Next, move on.
No idea.
I read them all.
I got one from Pablo0832.
What's the best restaurant you've been to on the run?
Best meal.
Was there a cheap food, snack, fast food that you've always went back to even when your pockets were at the fullest?
What's your favorite restaurant?
That's the question.
They want to know.
The people have spoken.
I have no idea.
No idea.
Oh, I mean, there was a place we used to eat at in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Becky and I had an apartment in Charlotte, North Carolina.
We used to eat at a place called The Brick.
It was great.
But it wasn't like a high end restaurant.
Shout out to The Brick.
I'm not a food guy.
It's not like I'm ordering $150 a piece of food.
Oh, they think you're fine art.
Going to Waffle House.
Yeah, bro, I love Waffle House.
I love a good greasy spoon.
What's your idea of Waffle House?
I could eat scrambled eggs and bacon for every fucking meal.
Damn right.
And a fountain soda, a fountain Coke.
Not Pepsi, a fountain Coke.
It's got to be Coke.
It's got to be.
I mean, I can't.
Come on.
It's got to be Coke.
You got Coke?
No, we got Pepsi, Ethan, so you don't got Coke.
Yeah.
Pepsi's, there's a huge difference, I think.
Big difference.
Yeah.
That's why it's two different brands.
It's got to be from the fountain drink, too.
So you like the fountain better than the can?
Of course.
There's no comparison.
But what if the ratio is off at a restaurant?
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Will that turn you off?
Yeah, sometimes, yeah.
And the fact that I'll notice that bothers me because I'm like, are you going to say something?
Sometimes they really pick it up at Taco Bell.
Are you the prick that goes, hey, you know, your syrup ratio is a little off?
Yeah.
Can I get some more?
The guy in the back, like, fuck me, the fuck.
So who do you think has a perfect ratio consistently?
I have no idea.
I didn't lose them, but I just got out of prison.
I've only eaten out a few times, and that's when I get Danny to.
To cough up the money when he peels off a couple dollar bills for you.
Do you want to talk about start talking about that now you want to open up that can of worms?
He's the one who said it I'm just having a conversation.
Yeah Want more of these?
Yeah, rip one off a motto.
Here we go Brian underscore Zamowski Can you please ask Matt if he thinks the fraud was worth doing?
He had to do prison time and has to pay it back.
What does he think now looking back?
Same old fucking question.
It's the same question.
It's fucking a fucking form.
Absolutely not worth it.
Wasn't worth it.
All right, here's this one.
NFC GXX9.
Sorry, your book.
My girlfriend doesn't want to stay with her mom because her mom isn't a good influence nor a good mother.
She's 17 and I'm 17.
She lives with me now.
The mom says she's going to report her a runaway and have me arrested for hoarding a runaway.
No human deserves to be taken as a joke, especially a young lady.
How can the mother track us down if she decides to and her phone location is off?
What?
How can they get tracked down if her phone's off?
I don't understand the question.
They're going to report her runaway.
They're on the run.
Fast story.
They're on the run.
They're on the run.
How can they be tracked?
How many months ago is that?
Sounds to me like they only have to hold out a month.
I didn't say that.
It seems urgent.
This was 12 minutes ago.
Okay.
It wasn't 12 minutes ago because I remember that was one of the things I read earlier today.
Yeah, it was on the Instagram.
It says 12 minutes right here.
Yeah, that's why I took the screenshot.
How would it be tracked?
I can't imagine.
They're not going to track.
I don't know.
Because you know a lot about the FBI tracking phones.
They're on the run and they're waiting right now.
What should they do?
Should they throw their phones out of the window?
No, you know.
They're probably watching right now.
They're trying to figure this out.
And you're reading this question isn't going to help them.
It's drawing more attention to them.
They're not.
They're not going to track you down through your phone for a fucking runaway.
They're going to fill out a piece.
She's 17.
Doesn't matter.
FBI's not getting involved.
She's 17.
They're not popping you off cellular towers.
They're not doing anything like that.
They're going to fill out a police report.
And if she gets caught by the police doing something, they'll run her name and it'll say, hey, you're a runaway.
If you have no contact with the police, then you don't have to worry about it.
You just have to be all right, bud.
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Just chill out.
You'll be fine.
Chill the hell out.
This isn't a question, but it's a great comment.
Listening to this guy read is like watching a drunk guy walk on ice.
I should have donated some money.
Shout out.
William Sokol, could you donate some money so we can send Shane to the burn water?
More beer.
200 pound hat rack.
Matt, I have a legitimate question.
So, since you've gotten out of prison, what have you been doing and what would you suggest to somebody else who is trying to take their credit score from?
Really shitty to really good.
So, how do you go about how do you someone like you go about building their credit score and creating a fucking 800 credit score?
I mean, what's the fastest way to build your credit score?
It depends if you have no credit.
Yeah, what was your credit like when you got out of prison?
I had nothing, zero.
I got three secured credit cards and I made the minimum.
I made that I really didn't put anything on them.
Like, I got secured credit cards.
I put up like 300 bucks and $400 and $200 on.
Three different ones.
I kept the balances low after six months of making payments.
Bam, I had like seven.
I think I had like a 730 or a 730.
Yeah, because it would have been higher, but you know, it will become higher if you keep them below 30%.
So you use 30% of your balance, keep it below 30% of the balance of the available balance, right?
Keep it below 30%, and then you just have to make those payments and maintain it.
And the longer you have that credit, the more history you have.
The higher your credit score will go up.
30%.
Keep it at 30%.
Below 30%.
What's your credit score right now?
Man, right now, I think it's still like seven something.
Like I had a.
Listen, my car.
What do you mean still like seven something?
Because it was up.
It went up.
It was like 740, 750, and then it went down to like 710 or 750.
Was it ever eight something?
No.
Now?
Ever?
Since before, after prison?
I don't think so.
I don't think it was never.
It was always in the mid sevens because.
I was constantly having these mortgages come and go and I'd buy a car and then six months, I'd drive it for eight months and trade it in and get another car.
So, you're never really having that longevity, longevity, longevity, that longevity, you know, that history on all of that.
So, the best way is to open up credit cards and just keep making the payments, keep below 37%.
Right.
And then, first of all, you don't need an 800 credit score.
Okay.
The minimums are like 650.
Like the minimum scores are like 650.
You want to get a better credit rating?
Yeah.
Okay.
In the mid 700s, but very few people have 800 credit scores.
It just doesn't make a massive amount of difference in your credit score.
I mean, in your interest rate that you're borrowing, if you have an 800 or a 750.
You're.
Underwriting a loan, what's the best case scenario for the person applying for that loan?
What they're looking for?
They're looking for someone that has two or three credit cards, major credit cards.
American Express?
Minimum Credit Scores Needed00:13:22
Yeah.
Visa, American Express, Discover, right.
So three credit cards, a mortgage, and a car loan.
That's like the perfect.
They have like five trade lines, and that's it.
So if you have eight credit cards, two car loans, now they're like, something's going on.
This guy's getting loaded up with debt.
I'm sorry, I have to interrupt this.
We have to put this on here.
Is that BB?
Is this your buddy?
Oh my god.
This is your buddy?
Yeah.
Hello?
Hey, you're live on YouTube right now.
Donny boy.
You're live with Matt Cox on YouTube.
Matt Cox, how are you, buddy?
Tell Matt Cox where you are right now.
I'm at Coleman.
Nice.
B3?
Coleman Resort.
Are you in B3?
Coleman Resort.
I'm in B3 with the Emperor.
Nice.
Nice.
He's in B3 with the Emperor, and he will be contacting you, Daniel, this weekend or Monday.
He's just been slammed.
He's working on another country.
We got a podcast coming up with the Emperor of the Universe, Frank Amadeo.
So tell me, what's it like in there right now?
Don't get me locked up, bro.
Don't get me locked.
Don't get me locked.
Yeah, we're going to pick you up.
We're going to make a documentary about him.
I have a whole book full of stuff to tell you.
Some good and some not so good.
So tell me, what is it like right now inside Coleman Federal Prison during this pandemic plague that we're dealing with?
You're on lockdown.
There's no going out.
No going out.
Lockdown.
We just went out just to go to the walk to get our food and our styrofoam and come back.
Hopefully something might change on Monday or Tuesday and maybe go to the yard for an hour.
Bye, Beach.
Each unit by themselves.
But yeah, it's been like, oh, how many days?
Ask them what the worst part is.
I thought I was going to go to the end of the month.
Hold it closer to the mic.
What's the worst thing about being in there during this pandemic?
What's the worst thing you've seen?
There's no fresh air.
No fresh air.
No, nothing crazy in here.
A couple people were dragged out, but they came back.
They didn't have corona.
Is it loud?
Speaking about corona, I like a line with mine.
Is that the friend in the background?
Yeah, that's your buddy.
Two of your buddies are here.
I think I'm going to need an orange apple.
Woo!
With a couple of purples.
And you know which one?
The oval.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Are you bringing a camera crew?
Because you're going to need one.
I want to be able to drive a little bit on the way home.
I'll let you drive.
Yeah, I'll drive and talk.
Has anybody in Coleman that's in there locked up with you been tested positive for coronavirus?
Not anybody in my unit, but next door, they locked us both down.
A couple people have gone out.
They've come back.
But, ugh, this is going to cause if you don't hear from me tomorrow, you know what happened.
Okay.
I don't want to leave from the box, right?
Come on, tell me.
Tell me.
Well, what's going on with the shoe?
The shoe is full.
Why is the shoe full?
It's full because there's people who come.
They're not letting them out.
We have open beds all over our.
I have five open beds in the bowl where I'm at.
Oh, he's in the fish bowl.
He's not letting anybody in.
You're in the fish bowl?
Yep, I'm in the fish bowl.
Five.
Five out of ten.
Damn.
And what's going on with your roommate, John?
John?
Is he doing yoga?
No, there's one still not here.
He fell out of the damn bunk.
Hey, one fell out of the bunk.
This call is from a federal prison.
John LeBron?
Hey, what the hell is that?
What is that?
Hey, what the hell is that?
I thought it was a resort.
He thought it was in sandals.
It's not Ricky T's.
Hey, you're far.
Hey, you're nowhere near Ricky T's.
Ask him if LeBron is doing yoga.
Is LeBron doing a lot of yoga in there with you?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's when he met my roommate.
No, he moved out.
That's why he threw me off.
I remember.
They moved him.
Oh, they moved him.
As a matter of fact, he's right next to me on the telly.
No.
That's funny.
I'm starting to do yoga with him.
My shoulders are so messed up.
Yeah, he's right next to me.
It's so funny.
Wow.
Tell him we heard this story about him.
Hey, look, I can see the Emperor right from where I'm standing.
The Emperor might need to come out and do a little yoga with us.
What's he doing right now?
Has he read It's Insanity?
Hey, have you read the Matthew Cox story called It's Insanity about.
Nice.
He just smiled, walked away, and said, It balls well.
Can you wave down the Emperor real quick and get him over there?
He's not going to get on the phone.
I can't.
I can't.
Okay.
Because if he gets on the phone, he'll get in trouble.
You can't just summon the Emperor on impulse like that.
No, no.
He will be calling you.
I'm going to tell him, he is going to shiz it when I tell him that who was all in the line.
Who was over at your studio?
So, are the security guards, the prison guards treating you any differently?
Like, what's going on there?
Paint a picture for me.
Listen to me, you wear a mask.
Everybody wears a mask.
You're supposed to wear your mask when we leave the dorm.
You're supposed to wear your mask in here.
You're supposed to be social distancing six feet apart.
I don't know how that's happening, but you'll see what I'm talking about when you see me.
We'll bring a whole crew.
We need some people to donate some money in the comments to the commissary here.
Johnny Appleseed?
Remember Johnny Appleseed?
Everybody drop some money for our boys in commissary.
You're talking to a couple hundred people right now on the internet right now.
If there was one thing you wanted to communicate to the outside world, if there was one thing you wanted to communicate to the outside world right now about what you're dealing with, what would you want to let them know?
No social media, and if it gets in here, we're done.
If it gets in here, I can touch three people right now from where I'm standing.
And when I show you the rest, it's like, if it gets in here, there's going to be people dropping like flies.
You know, they're trying to keep it out.
The only way it can get in here is from staff.
You know, we don't go out there.
We don't even leave the dorm.
We don't even leave our unit.
So how can we bring it in?
No visitation.
You know, you can't get it over the phone, can you?
Oh, shoot.
But Leslie, they're going to cut.
I'm going to be cutting them in a minute.
I'll call you tomorrow.
Leslie, I'll call you tomorrow.
Stay safe out there in the real world, okay?
And Johnny Boy is coming home.
Woo!
All right, kid.
I'll be there for a little bit.
Leslie, have a little care package.
For double B.
Oh my God.
See ya.
Wouldn't want to be a.
See ya.
Sweet Louise and make Ruth tell the truth.
Boo!
Is he a halfway house?
Is he still the same person?
Oh, that's classic.
He's not going to a halfway house.
The God.
Huh?
Is he going to a halfway house?
I don't know.
Who knows?
Oh, okay.
I have no idea.
That was fucking crazy.
I just recently found out he was in prison.
He's new.
How are you?
Not the first time, but he's.
This is some new.
How long did he go?
Previously?
He's been in there for over 10 years.
Previously, for a cocaine charge.
He's been out.
This was a new charge.
This was in the 90s.
He missed the 90s.
He was in prison throughout the entire 90s, and then he just recently went back for some other charge.
So he's only in there for, I think, a year and a half or two years right now.
Oh, okay.
Huh.
But what are the chances?
He's right where you were.
I mean, that's crazy.
You know, I was thinking about the coronavirus.
They're going to literally set that up.
The phones are like this.
So you're sitting there talking on the phone, the other guy's right here.
I mean, there's a phone booth this wide.
Yeah.
And there's stacks beside.
So you've got this much room with a phone.
So the other guy's right next to you and his phone.
So you're all basically shoulder to shoulder talking.
I mean, that's how it is in the cells are about double the size as this right here.
No, not even double the size of this.
About to here.
So they're like six foot by maybe 10 feet, maybe 11 feet with the bunk beds in there.
So when you're counting, I mean, you're literally, you guys are standing in there, you're, A foot away from you're always a foot or two foot away from everybody all the time, so if it gets in there, they're pretty sick.
Yeah, you do.
I used to always say that every time if one guy started coughing, yeah, within three days, you could lay in bed and just hear everybody all night just constantly because you get sick immediately.
So you just start to wash your hands all the time.
I'd have to sleep with a towel wrapped around your head because people are screaming all the time and yelling.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, what do you want a laser printer?
No, these are like a letter press like really nice like pictures Those are the like regular paper no Those are made for printing on t shirts.
Yeah, why did you use that?
Are we what are we doing?
Yeah, are there any more questions?
Are we about to wrap this up?
Two and a half hours I Got a question for a couple more spin rod Johansson spin rod can they repo your plastic surgery and make your hair go back to the old days?
That's that's nice Somebody wrote a question.
I can't do them like that.
That's fucked up.
Someone wrote a question asking about would I do any more plastic surgery and what would I do?
Did you see that question?
Yeah, we asked you that in the last podcast.
And you said you'd get hair grafts done again.
I'd get more.
I'd just get more.
Yeah.
My hair's see-through.
It's too thin.
But that's crazy how they fucking slice the back of your head.
It looks pretty good sitting right next to you.
Well, I mean, I appreciate it.
It needs to be thicker.
And you have, like, no gray hair at all.
You have, like, zero gray hair.
I'm a kid.
I have tons of gray hair.
Yeah, you have a few in the corners, I guess.
Yeah, not much.
Considering you're what?
How old are you, 50?
I'm 50.
50?
Looking straight.
50 years old, ladies and gentlemen.
So 50 and I would get I think I get liposuction again.
Really?
Where would you get liposuction?
Yeah, where the fuck would you get liposuction?
I just like a little tighten up, and I like to get my jawline down a little bit.
A little from behind the ears.
Tighten up a little bit.
Like a little wet vac under.
Yeah, a little.
They take a thing, like a straw, and they suck it out.
Like a hot, nice cheese.
Like a dentist thing that they put in your mouth.
Yeah, like cheese.
They stick a thing of cheese in, and it sucks it out, and you push the cheese down, and it just.
Do you get to keep the cheese when they suck it out?
I didn't inquire about the cheese, but you saw Fight Club where they were taking the body fat and they were making soap out of it.
It'd be nice to have a bar of soap made of, like, me.
You could call it, like, me.
There's something for plastic surgeons.
There's some merch.
Yeah.
Matt Cox, the fat bag.
Soap.
Matt Cox, fat bag.
Fat soap.
Or soap.
Fat soap.
Fat.
Would anybody listening buy a bag of.
Matt cock.
Matt thought we were gonna make it into soap, a fat.
Now it's a bad.
I was thinking a basketball when he's drinking a bag of fat, when he's trying to psych somebody out.
But the soap makes much more sense for shipping.
Of course you can't ship a bag of fat.
No, too hard.
Soap's cool.
Yeah, you want some soap.
Leave a comment, oh, my god, have we run our course?
I mean it's, it's.
Oh, you know I can keep talking.
Yeah, I'll talk for you want to talk about.
I tell you what, you know, I buy a book.
That's now we have some downtime.
Like, I have books on Amazon.
You can buy a book, it's cheap.
It's a pretty good book.
It's pretty good.
It's a fucking great book, bro.
Mediterranean Cruise Memories00:02:13
Hell yeah.
It's a great book.
You wouldn't know.
You don't read.
Don't read.
Dumbass.
It's definitely, definitely buy a book.
We got, and got to join the channel, Inside True Crime.
I got a whole bunch of my stories on their podcast, right?
That's a podcast, right?
They're narrated.
Yeah.
Audiobooks, whatever.
Working on some stuff.
I got stuff going.
Matt, what was the most favorite part of the whole deal, the whole shebang, the whole crime spree?
What was the one time you're kicking back?
You're like, this is it.
This is the Omega peak level right here.
This is the hardest part.
Didn't I sell this?
When you were overseas, right?
On a yacht.
Okay.
Yeah, I remember it briefly.
It was on a cruise ship, it was on a yacht.
Wow.
It was a cruise ship and we were in our country.
Yeah, it was a cruise ship and I remember in Greece.
Yeah, we were going through the Mediterranean Sea.
Okay, and we had been to Greece.
We went to Greece, we went to Italy, and we went to Croatia.
We were going through the Mediterranean and we were laying out on the top deck.
I remember the waiters bringing us, you know, drinks.
Remember, I looked over at the girl I was dating, she was like 25, 26 years old, and just and you were what, like 35?
I'm 37, it was just like a month or so.
Smoking hot.
And I remember she looked over at me and I remember she lipped.
She said, I love you.
And I looked at it and I remember thinking, fuck, no matter what happens, this moment is worth it.
I mean, I got a ton of money in the bank.
I've got a 26 year old chick.
I mean, everything's gone.
I'm on the Mediterranean Sea.
I'm on this fucking cruise.
This is it.
This is amazing.
No matter what, this moment's worth it.
And I was absolutely wrong about that.
You felt like Jordan Belfort.
I felt great at that moment.
But listen, then when the judge sentenced me, I was like, fuck that.
Not worth it.
Not sure what I was thinking in that moment.
Wasn't thinking rationally.
Yeah.
She's not calling you.
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No, no, I never heard.
I got a letter.
Oh, yeah?
Did she give her a credit card?
She had her own credit card?
I had paid for everything for her.
Yeah, you paid for everything.
I mean, I had bought her a car.
Actually, I bought her a couple cars.
Yeah, paid off all of her bills when we met, paid off everything.
Whatever bills she's running up, I'm just paying and I'm putting money in her.
I mean, you know, it's all stolen money anyway.
Right.
So.
You know, it spins like it's ridiculous.
Didn't you say Jordan Belfort wanted you on his podcast?
No.
The Wolf of Wall Street?
I sent the guy from Valutainment, they gave me his information and said to contact him and say that I should be on his podcast.
So I traded a couple emails with his assistant, and the whole Corona thing happened.
Just like the thing with Blumhouse, the production company.
I was supposed to fly out to Los Angeles.
On the 21st of last month, because they want to talk to me about doing a series, and we were supposed to fly out there and meet with them for like two or three hours and meet everybody and sit down and talk about the series.
And then the corona thing happened, so they didn't fly anybody out, they're not flying anybody out, right?
Right, and so then we've swapped some emails.
I've talked to Danny Rothbart, who is the guy who's with me on the project, okay?
And so I've talked to him the last couple days, and supposedly they want to put together some kind of Skype in the next.
Next week, and then hopefully in a month when everything kind of opens back up, whatever, I'm supposed to fly in and talk to him.
So we'll see what happens with that.
Blumhouse is huge.
They did like paranormal activity.
What else do they do?
What other movies do they do?
Get Out.
Get Out, yeah.
They just did The Invisible Man.
You know, Handmaid's Tale?
They do that.
They've got a bunch of, they got like four series, I think, on Hulu.
And so we've had multiple discussions about wanting to do a series where I'm in prison.
I like the fact that they do a lot of like smaller independent type movies.
Handmaid's Tale is sick.
Do they?
Yeah.
Handmaid's Tale is great, right?
Isn't that great?
It's so good, though.
It is.
I've never seen that.
It's so creepy.
Yeah.
Oh, you've got to watch that.
You watch one or two episodes.
That's it.
It's over.
You're just binging on it for the next week straight.
Handmaid's Tale.
That's why I try not to watch any of those programs.
Yeah, they get you hooked on.
Yeah.
They're made for you to watch them all at once.
It's heroic.
You can't just watch one.
How long are the episodes?
I think an hour, 45 minutes.
It's good.
I've been watching the Michael Jordan documentary.
That's all I've been watching lately.
You love that.
It's pretty good.
It's a series, documentary series, 10 parts.
You haven't seen any of it?
It's good.
I try not to watch TV.
No.
I try.
Like, I got sucked into Ozark the other day.
Oh, I watched that too.
I would love it.
And then, yes, next two weeks, just every night, two hours.
Y'all watch Waco?
No.
That was good.
Yeah, watch that.
That was fucking sick.
I didn't watch that.
I just watched it.
Waco.
Waco about that church cult in Texas.
But they flip it and they tell the story from inside the church rather than from like the FBI.
Point of view, ATF point of view that you hear in the news.
Yeah, yeah, it's like about the guy who runs the coal.
Yeah, David Koresh.
Yes, yeah, he's good.
He was crazy.
Yeah, he was out there.
They really focused on his guitar playing in it, which I really appreciated.
Really?
Guitar a lot.
The guitar is everywhere.
He did throw up some acoustic shreds.
Yeah.
There was a scene where he was getting married, and while his brides were walking towards him, he was playing Here Comes the Bride on like a sick flying V. Hell yeah.
One of the best wedding scenes ever.
Did you watch The Tiger King?
I watched one.
I think I watched two episodes.
I've been saying I watched one episode, but actually, the more I think about it, I think I watched two episodes.
Yeah.
I just couldn't do it.
No, everybody's telling me you got to watch it.
It's amazing.
Well, I mean, I watched two episodes and it's just, I mean, and I'm not, I'm not, it just continues to get crazier.
It's just straight white trash.
It's just straight trash.
It is.
It's just insanity.
Yeah, I'm broke as shit.
That's why we love it.
But I don't, I mean, I grew up in Florida, you know, down the street from a trailer park.
So, I mean, it was, you know, we were middle class, but there was a trailer park.
So, I mean, I've been close enough to all the insanity of just.
You know, drunks and people running around with bare feet, and they got fucking swinging tigers and all that crazy shit.
That's what I've seen it.
Yeah, what'd you think?
Ozarks.
I loved Ozarks.
Ozarks is good.
It's great.
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It's great.
And I get all these people that keep telling me that, like, I got friends that will call me.
I've had five friends that have called me, like, you know, have you seen Ozarks?
So I just dropped a hundred bucks.
No, come on.
Joe LaRocca.
Who the fuck?
But you got to drink up.
Some crab juice.
That's what I'm talking about.
Swear.
Wow.
He wants to see it.
Oh, God, kid.
I'm going to give Matt some of this to put towards his restitution or at least buy him a few.
There you go.
A few what?
Danny, you got to pick up some of that crab.
You left out the last sentence that says, Danny, you got to drink up some crab juice.
I did leave out the last sentence.
Some selective reading.
Drink the crab.
Drink the crab.
Oh, he's drinking the crab.
This is the only kind of stuff that you're going to see on concrete.
Double back because that's good juice.
Oh, don't waste that juice, boy.
That too is good.
It's not terrible.
It's like butter and gravy.
This is the best night of my life.
Garlic and Old Bay is all that is in butter.
It's garlic, Old Bay, and Jack Daniels.
And Jack Daniels.
Fuck.
Hell yeah.
He's going to feel that one later.
It's like Viagra.
It's going to go in one and come out the other.
Sure, it might light a fire up under you.
Oh, this is a repeating question, but people keep paying to see it.
They want to know about the best fraud story.
I know you've already told it tonight, but just give a quick little rundown of it.
What's the best modern day fraud?
There's any kind of fraud.
What kind of fraud would you commit now?
Or like a fraud that you've looked at and been like, I could do that better.
Oh, I'm saving that.
That's for the True Crime Podcast.
Subscribe and you'll be hearing it.
He's saving that.
Yeah, he's saving that.
That one's going behind the paywall of Inside True Crime.
That's for the next episode.
That's for the OnlyFans.
That's right.
Matt Cox, OnlyFans.
Who thinks Matt Cox should have his OnlyFans?
Yeah, drop an eggplant emoji if you think Matt Cox should start an OnlyFans.
You know how many guys in prison we ever talk to?
Because the frog guys always find each other.
And I've talked to frog guys, and they'll come, and I'm like, well, what'd you do?
And they're like, oh, I did this and this and this.
And you're like, okay, okay.
Well, why did you do that?
And then you start talking, and I'm like, well, why didn't you do this?
Did you ever think about this?
And they're like, right.
And then they're like, Fuck, I didn't even think about that.
And they're like, man.
You know, then they start thinking of new ways to do it.
We would spend, and I don't mean spending, I don't mean spend an hour or two.
I'm talking about two or three hours a day for months.
Yeah.
And you're perfect.
I mean, to the point where you're like, how do you get around that?
How do you, the big thing is, how do you get notified that the FBI or whoever, Secret Service, FBI, that they've picked up on you, that they've picked up on the fraud?
How do you get, you know, how do you get, how do you get tipped off?
Yeah.
And so, I mean, we got to the point where we're like, here's what you do.
And you start, because here's what they're going to, here's how they're going to start the investigation.
So they're going to do this.
The first thing they're going to do is they're going to go here.
Well, if you're that person, they'll contact you and say, look, it's FBI, or they'll walk in or the, I mean, we've literally, Laid out there, and I'm there's got to be like four different ones where we had just you're so bored, right?
And you've got preacher perfect.
You know how many times you would meet somebody that I would meet somebody who's had that.
Well, how'd you get your money?
Oh, I would transfer it to bitcoins, I would do this, I would buy gold, I would do this, and you so now it's like okay, well, now I have another tool that I didn't have before, and then you would say, Well, did you ever think about doing that?
Next thing you know, man, it's there are some scams that you're just like a lot of these guys would do scams in their own names, or they would it would just.
What are those?
Those are eggplants.
Oh my God.
They want an OnlyFans.
That's people who are eating doing OnlyFans.
There's a ton of eggplants.
The demand is there.
The market is there.
It's all about supply and demand.
You got to strike while the eggplant is hot, my man.
How much for a Matt Cox painting?
How much for.
You know, it's funny because I sold one recently.
This guy sent me $350 and said, look, I'm going to send you $350.
What can I get for $350?
Is what he said.
And I was like, well, look, I can't do a five foot painting for that.
I could do a little painting.
And I sent him a little thing.
I can do this.
He's like, great, do it.
And, you know, sent it to me.
So I'm actually painting it right now.
I sent you a picture.
I think I saw a picture.
It was beautiful, Graham.
The Joker?
No, no.
That's a finished one.
This one's not done yet.
I just started painting it.
And it was a Joker.
I said, I can do it.
I'll paint a Joker for you and put a little thing.
And he actually told me this is the quote I want you to paint in it.
So I'm going to paint it and be done with it.
What was the quote?
Oh, his quote was, he actually gave me a really long quote.
I'm like, look, the painting's not big enough to put all that shit in there.
So you've got to.
Too much text.
Yeah, it's too.
It's too much text.
Cut it down.
It's going to be some people just want to watch the world burn.
And so I'm going to put that.
And it's the Joker.
It's perfect for the Joker.
Yeah.
It's a painting of the Joker.
So how much?
It could be, look, if somebody said, hey, look, and I've got another guy said, you know, I'll give you 500 bucks for something.
I haven't done it yet.
Yeah.
But for 500 bucks, I'll tell you, look, this is what I'll give you.
Yeah.
You know, most of the paintings I sell are like.
750.
I had a guy the other day do one that was like 1400, and I but two, it's going to cost 200 bucks to send it to ship it to him.
Okay, so usually they're like 750, 850, you know, 650.
I've had some guys that have been like 500 bucks, I've had a bunch of that were just 500 bucks.
I mean, you know, the problem is it takes time, yeah, and you know, so it's the reason I like doing is that I can do the painting and I can answer comments and I can answer emails, and if Davey needs to talk to me for an hour.
I can do that.
Or if I need to set up a Skype or talk to somebody, some producer that's looked at some of my stuff and is saying, hey, we're thinking about this.
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Can you do this?
Absolutely.
I can do that in the middle of the day.
If you have a job, if I'm working at FedEx, I can't tell my boss, hey, tomorrow I got to, at one o'clock, I got to talk to these guys for an hour and a half.
They're going to be like, bro, no, you're loading boxes.
That's what you're doing tomorrow.
How do you get through work on the construction site when every Thursday at 11 o'clock in the morning you have to log on to the pre map?
To the Supreme app.
I think she said the Priya app.
And cop the latest drops.
How do you tell your boss?
How does your boss do that?
Work at five o'clock in the morning, yeah.
But every o'clock, that's lunchtime.
11 o'clock's lunchtime, hell yeah.
Oh, it's lunchtime anyway.
Perfect.
Okay, that's my question.
Because every Thursday at 11, me and Luke were talking about it.
Every Thursday at 11, you're always copping supreme.
Always got it.
So, we're wondering, like, what if you're what if you're like mid poor?
It's preset the day before.
See, everything's ready to rock and roll.
So, you tell the boss, it's ready.
You tell the boss the day before, I'll tell him nothing.
You don't need to know, just presets.
You are the phone nowadays.
What do you mean a precess on your phone?
You have a bot that automatically cops it for you?
Yeah, there could be things like that.
Might be fraud.
I don't know.
Could be fraud.
Have another gummy kid.
Got some more crab.
The crab looks tempting.
It is a tempting crab.
Oh, God.
What are we talking about?
It's clean as fuck.
Who sent that?
What was that about?
I'm sorry.
That's this guy, the guy that wants to produce the other show.
He's saying that this is good.
He doesn't like the background here?
Nobody likes the background.
It's your mom.
It looks like you're in your mom's basement.
And first of all, and all the great.
Look, it's a horrible color combination.
Nobody looks good.
Anybody with olive skin looks horrible with these colors.
I look horrible.
What kind of colors do we have?
What colors do we have?
If you had a fine arts degree, what would you say we'd look like?
Matt, what would you have fucking Ed Hardy in the background of your podcast?
I don't know who Ed Hardy is.
Who's that?
Affliction?
Did that come out during the year 2006?
Yeah, Matt was locked up for that whole season.
This is Ed Hardy.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Oh, okay.
That would be sick on that one.
Yeah, that would be pretty cool.
See?
Listen, anything would be better than this.
Matt, we were going for an old 80s, 60s, 70s.
Throw the thumbs up if you like the background.
And you achieved it.
It was what you were going for was wrong.
Really?
Oh, it was fucked up from the start.
You know what I liked before?
The word fucked before we even started.
Yeah, I didn't like that.
Why?
It looked more professional.
It looked like you were in a studio.
Yeah, it looks like some fake ass news shit.
Yeah, it does.
It was whack.
It looks like we're.
Yeah, it looks like we're.
Fake news.
Looks like we're Fox News.
Fox News.
Looks like we're fucking CNN or Bay News 9 or some shit, man.
We're not trying to be futuristic here.
Plus, we have God creating man.
And I feel like that's what we're doing here.
Yeah.
Okay.
But what if it was like two crab claws touching each other?
Ooh.
Man.
That would be cool.
I wouldn't mind it.
Matt, could you use your degree and turn that into two crab claws?
Could you use your degree and turn that into two crab claws touching?
Can we get a crab sculpture?
Oh, God.
Wow.
All right, I'm going to just read another question for the shit of it.
This is Ricardo Villar.
Here's the thing, though.
I love this guy.
He really didn't go into it trying to rip people off like Ponzi schemers who actually ruin many personal lives.
This guy just robbed banks with a pen and a degree in fine arts.
Is he a scumbag?
Sure.
That's probably the best one you've read.
What's the best kind of scumbag?
The kind that ripped off insurance banks.
Fuck them.
There's no question.
I like where his head's at.
That was a good one.
Oh, man.
I'm drunk on crab juice.
Oh, God.
It's sick.
You realize it's almost three hours.
Is that too long for you?
No, I'll keep going.
Should we wrap it up?
Let us know in the comments.
The crab juice is talking.
We'll sit here and fuck around for another hour, but I mean, if you guys are getting bored, we'll sign off.
Yeah, you got to come up with some decent questions so we can actually move forward.
Do you want a 50 milligram?
I don't know what that is.
I feel like I'll.
Weed, man.
It's called a turpicana.
I feel like I will fail my urine test.
300 milligrams.
Definitely fail any test after that.
Yeah, I can't.
I can't.
Clarissa's.
I'm sorry.
Grab me a BL, will you?
I can't.
Yeah, don't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bring it.
There's some more JD here if you want some JD.
No?
Yes, no?
Maybe so?
Did they get too close to my mouth hole?
I was too crabby at this point.
People want you to keep going.
Do they really?
Yeah.
Keep going, boy.
I got another question on here.
Not really a question, but.
Max.
More crabby questions.
Max, three months ago.
I like what they call me, Michael.
Michael Cox never wants to be a good guy.
Michael Cox.
A lot of people call you Michael Cox.
Yeah.
People want to know where the money is.
Oh, yeah, I've heard that one too.
Where's the money, Matt?
It's in his hairline.
Nice.
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What's the uh.
All right, this guy says, Max, I work at a bank and we don't do that kind of stuff unless they have a debit card they can either enter a pin on, the ID is legit and matches records, and they can answer as many questions as I want them to ask.
I don't understand what that is.
I don't even.
That's not even a question.
That's what I'm saying, man.
Danny printed this shit for me to read on purpose.
I think dumb shit.
That's why you're reading it.
Couldn't even got the good ones.
Have you ever been a victim of fraud?
Oh, yeah, I saw that one.
I saw that one.
Have you ever been a victim of fraud?
Honestly, great question.
Have I?
You know, I mean, stupid stuff.
Like one time, I don't even know if this was fraud.
It's like one time, I don't know what it was like $40 or $80 or something came out of my ATM.
And an ATM that I was nowhere near that was across the state wasn't mine.
It was just like, I think it was a banking error.
I mean, I've been burglarized a few times.
I've had some houses broken into actual fraud.
The only thing close to fraud for me, I think, is that.
Recently, I tried to file my taxes through like TurboTax, and they said someone else has already filed taxes using my social security number.
Somebody got your social.
You know what they call?
They call that the drop where you file for someone's taxes before they.
Oh, yeah.
And so I had to mail in my stuff with a letter to the IR saying, hey, I tried, but here's what they're saying is someone else using my shit?
So I sent that off, but I just sent it off.
You already got your Trump check before you even did.
No, no.
I got my Trump check.
Oh, you got a Trump check?
My man.
I went online.
I didn't get a Trump check.
Everybody except Danny got it.
I went online.
And apply.
Everybody got a fucking Trump check except me.
I haven't filed taxes in fucking over 15, 16 years.
How the fuck?
So I went online and I applied.
I said, hey, give me my Trump check.
I haven't done it, but I've seen all the news where they said, even if you haven't applied, they said, if you haven't filed taxes in the last year, you can still put your info in.
You can go on the IRS and then apply.
I applied and I got it.
I got it like a couple days ago.
And I actually sent something to my probation officer and said, hey, check out the social media.
Do I have to pay restitution on this?
And he said, yeah, we're exempting all those checks.
Oh, they're exempting restitution during the pandemic.
That's true.
No, they're not exempting.
Only on the juncture.
Just they're saying the check isn't, like, if you owe 20% of everything you make, you're saying, we're not going to hit your fucking check for that.
Nice.
So I was like, thank God.
What'd you do with it?
I paid my bills.
Nothing fancy?
You didn't treat yourself?
I didn't treat myself.
Bro, I paid my rent.
You got a red lobster, nothing.
It paid for gas for me to go to the lobster bridge.
So I could do this podcast.
You got the Krispy Krab.
I'm just saying with the Trump check, did you?
You might have went out and treated yourself something nice.
I just, listen, I reimbursed my, all the crap that I've had to pay out.
It's just $1,200.
Gotta pay it.
Listen, I know guys, people are getting like two and three.
Like they got like four kids, a wife that doesn't work, and they're getting like $3,000 and stuff.
Oh, yeah.
Unemployment people are getting like three grand a month, something like that.
Four grand a month.
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
Is that too much?
Might have to pay too much.
Isn't it three grand a month?
I thought it was 3,000 bucks a month.
I think 600 a week.
I don't know.
That's, 20 a little over 2400.
Yeah, true and close, still lots good money.
Hell yeah!
I got another question.
Oh, my goddamn taxes!
Has Matt ever climaxed during sex to Bon Jovi's runaway?
That's a good question.
That's some hard hitting questions.
Damn, you dug deep for that.
She's laughing.
It wasn't from her.
No, no.
No, I have not.
I have not, but it's something I'm going to look into.
Cool.
Look forward to.
Have you ever owned a gun?
If so, what kind?
I had a concealed weapons permit and I had a gun.
When I had a concealed weapons permit, but that was eight, like maybe 20 years ago.
I was, I think I was like 24, 25.
I had a gun.
I think I had a, I had a, um, a, I had a, no, I had a 357 and I had a nine millimeter.
Both Smith were Smith and Wesson.
Both were Smith and Wesson.
My girlfriend had a Lady Smith, the girl I was dating at the time.
And then I, and honestly, I think the, I think the concealed weapons permit was good for like two years or four years or something.
And then it just expired because when you take that class, You kind of realize I really don't need to be carrying a gun.
Because if I'm going somewhere where I think I should carry a gun, then I shouldn't be going there.
Right.
Then don't go there.
Somebody just donated $120.
Really?
Damn.
God.
Come to Vegas and blow money with me.
Danny better split this with you.
P.S. I just had to one up the last guy's donation.
You didn't hear that, Danny.
Danny didn't hear that.
Hey, who's going to one up LS experts?
Matt, do you have a Cash App?
You should have a Cash App.
They could just send you a money right now.
A Benmo.
You need a Benmo.
You need a Benmo.
An OnlyFans.
It's an app where you just plug your debit card to it.
People could just send you money.
What were the eggplants for?
Oh, the OnlyFree.
You got to create an OnlyFans, Matt.
Somebody wants to know if they PayPal you money, can you send them a signed book and send it to Australia?
By the way, big fan.
I mean, I would have to buy.
I mean, I could do that.
I could buy too much work.
They can't.
Well, I mean, you know, I think it's they need to buy the book and send it to you.
Yeah, typically they buy the book and they mail it to my P.O. box.
I get it.
I sign it.
I mail it back to them.
So, I'm not sure how that changes that other than I'm doing all the work for you.
Right.
So, can't ask Matt to do all the hard work.
Yeah, you can't.
If you want the book signed, buy the book, send it to him.
He'll send it back.
I probably, honestly, probably should buy like five or six books, but how often does that happen?
I mean, tell him, look, my email is, you know, contact matt.cox or it's contact.matthew.cox at gmail.com.
That's a fucking mouthful, right?
Contact.matt.cox was taken.
Matthew.
Wait, what was it?
It's Contact.matthew.
Dot dot Cox at gmail.com.
Right, and it's Matthew with two t's.
Yep, got that so for all.
Ever met a Matthew with one t?
Yeah really yeah, they have Matthews with one t.
Great question.
I've never met a Matthew with one t.
Yeah, definitely for all book.
I don't know, I don't know why, but they're out there, goddamn 120, Fuck yeah.
I paid for the crab.
Straight up.
Thank you, LS experts.
Straight up.
You got to go to Vegas with him.
I got somebody telling me to fix this fucking drop thing back here.
It's two seconds of effort.
It's kind of razorless.
We actually have something being built.
We have a special backdrop being built, being commissioned right now for that.
So is it going to be a wall that's like here?
No, it's going to be back to where that on the same plane.
Because you want to see the door.
No, I don't really care about the door, but if I do it where the door comes, like in front of the door, there's not enough room to get in there.
And then you got like a little hallway to walk by.
And then you got a little hallway.
You just walk around the hallway.
Yeah.
That sucks.
Yeah.
That's okay.
But then there's like, I'm missing what you're going for here.
That's all.
And that's my fault.
I don't have your vision.
And that's my fault.
Yeah, well, you're also 30 years older than us.
So you can't blame me.
It's nice that you would throw that out there.
You're an old man, so you really don't have the 30 years older.
20 years older than us.
You just don't understand art like we do, I guess.
You know what I mean?
Fine arts, you know, we're like, we're not qualified to talk about fine arts.
We're like fine arts.
I'm not qualified.
I'm sorry.
You don't have a piece of paper there.
We're fine art minus the fine.
Part about it.
My degree doesn't keep me warm at night.
He and I were art.
And Sam, Sam, Sam, and Sam, we're.
But this is, it's art.
Yeah.
It's a different art.
This is art.
This is art.
Oh, somebody just gave you $2 and wants to know.
That's great.
How, Matt, how did you use to clean money?
Clean money?
You didn't have to clean money, did you?
Well, no, because it's coming from a loan.
Right, exactly.
But as far as like, if I borrow, if I think this is what he's saying, like, if I borrow, I try to move it around.
Right, if I borrow a bunch of money in the name of.
Gary Sullivan, how do I get it into an account where the government doesn't know somebody?
And at that time, there was no Bitcoin and there was no, so, and I didn't realize I went to prison.
I met a bunch of people.
So you realize, okay, you could have bought diamonds, you could have bought gold, you could have, there's ways to launder it.
Well, the only thing I could think of at the time was get it out in cash.
Yeah.
Get it out in cash and slowly put it back into another bank account.
Or you could put it in, there's ways to get it.
You buy some real estate and just say, yeah, I'm paying, I'm, Rent is this much, and you go buy money orders and you just deposit the money.
And so, you know, there's you could buy a house for forty thousand dollars.
There's a shithole house, it's going to be worth a hundred thousand once it's renovated, but you got to put forty thousand renovations.
Well, you can put the forty thousand renovations, and you just don't say you did anything.
You say, I bought it for forty and I sold it for a hundred.
Well, there's sixty thousand dollars worth of money that you can now say, Look, I bought a house for forty, I sold it for a hundred, I made sixty grand.
Well, really, you only made 10 or 20 grand.
They don't know that.
So you just made 40 grand cash or you just laundered 40 grand.
So there's ways to do it like that.
But in my opinion, it was like I was just trying to get it out.
That's why I would go in the bank and get out like 9,000.
I'd open up 10 different bank accounts and four different names and I'd go get 5,000 today at this account, seven, this one, nine, three every couple of days.
And then I would direct, I'd put direct deposit money into each other's accounts so that they didn't just drain.
They would, The balances were doing this all the time, and then one day they just go.
That seems like a lot to keep track of.
Well, not really.
There's money in the, you know, you take a cashier's check or you direct deposit here, you take out seven, you put in 30,000, you say, oh, by the way, can I get 7,000 in cash?
Sure, no problem.
That way the balances are, and I would get the money out, and then now I've got a fucking duffel bag full of money, and you just got to put it into another.
So, I mean, I wasn't super sophisticated, yeah, because there was no Bitcoin in 2006.
Why would Bitcoin or five different?
Well, because then I could just.
Buy Bitcoin and then you put it into your electronic wallet.
The government, you know, because it's encrypted, yeah, they and you they now don't know where the money is.
All we know is he bought Bitcoin.
If you then transfer that money into another bank account, they don't really know where it came from, where it came from, okay, um, and where it disappeared to.
Or you could buy gold so they can't track that, right?
So you go buy gold, you go buy diamonds.
So I could you could go buy a hundred thousand dollars gold here and go across the street to another gold dealer and sell them the same money.
You lose six percent, but.
What does it matter?
Right.
You deposit it into your bank account or you get a check for it and you go deposit into some corporation or whatever.
Look, as long as you're paying taxes on it, and you can, if you're ever audited, you can say, This is where I got the money.
There's tons of ways to launder money.
But look, I wasn't that sophisticated and wasn't that big of a deal at the time anyway.
Yeah.
It wasn't that much money and I wasn't that concerned.
I don't know.
That's a shitty answer, but that's fine.
Someone just dropped $10 for your leg extension surgery.
Nice.
What?
Anonymous American, you are a true American hero.
Thank you for your service and we appreciate you being here.
That hurt.
That's just cruel.
It's just mean stuff.
Out of nowhere.
Out of nowhere.
We weren't even talking about leg extension.
It had nothing to do with it.
It was mean.
It's mean spirited.
But thanks for the money.
Thanks for the 10.
That's for Danny.
That's for your legs.
And Danny didn't even hear the $10.
So he's going to keep that $10.
Oh, damn.
He's keeping the $10.
Fucking scumbag.
I'm telling you.
He's a fraud.
He's a con man.
Hey, here's another one.
I'll drop another $100 if Danny kills the bottle of Jack Daniels in one drink and Matt squirts a bottle of water in his face when he finishes the bottle.
How much is in this?
Danny can't.
That's almost half of it.
From this angle, I thought there was just a little bit.
Nah, nah.
too much.
He ain't coming back.
He ain't going to finish it.
No.
He's probably outside throwing up right now from the crab juice.
He hasn't been right over there.
He has been drinking the crab juice.
All right.
Let me see if I got one I didn't read yet.
People want to know the biggest purchase you ever made.
The biggest purchase I ever made?
Mm hmm.
Well, what do you mean?
Like on what?
I don't know.
Monday-wise.
I don't know.
Like, what?
I mean, the most expensive car.
Car?
Whatever that inspires.
I bought a car one time.
Did you buy, like, a $40,000?
What is the biggest purchase?
Did you buy a car?
What does that inspire in your brain for you to talk about?
Like a Rolex or something?
But here's the thing.
Well, I mean, here's the thing.
If I buy a $10,000 Rolex, well, that's different.
That's just, you buy just.
Did you buy one?
Not for $10,000.
I bought, like, an $8,000 one.
I've had a couple of the little.
What are the.
That ain't nothing.
The.
Yeah, I've never got, like, a Presidential, like a $20,000 presidential.
No, what am I?
I'm not a retard.
I'm not, and it's just stupid.
Um, uh, like that.
Look, I had a couple submariners, you know, they're cheap, they're like five, six grand.
Yeah, I mean, that's not, I'm not saying that's cheap.
I'm saying it's not a $20,000, $30,000 presidential.
It's not crazy.
It's, it's, I was about to say reasonable.
You know, when I, the other day when I was talking and I said, I was broke, I only had 80 grand in cash, so I had no money.
Guys went nuts, like, that's not broke, you fucking asshole.
But I'm saying, So, what, like a car?
Like, I bought a car for like $90,000, $95,000.
It was an Audi, but it was financed.
Or I bought houses.
I bought a $250,000 house.
You know, I'm not sure those are.
It's a tough question because.
Yeah, but is it a purchase when I got the bank to lend me $200,000 of the two?
I only put down $25,000 or $30,000.
So, you know, it's like, is that a huge purchase?
I never went out and bought like.
Something with a big wad of cash or nothing.
Like, I'm buying this Mercedes at 80,000 cash.
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No.
Never going to see shit.
No, I would never get a seat shirt.
You don't want to buy it like that?
No.
Why?
When I can finance it.
I don't know.
It's so easy.
Because it's so easy for me to finance it.
You know what I mean?
Cash off the lot.
I wouldn't go buy something for 50 or 60 grand cash when I know I can put down 5 grand and get it financed.
No, because I can get it.
Cars, houses, anything like that.
Anything secured.
I can get it financed.
Right.
Not fucking spending 60 grand or 70 grand on a car that I can get financed.
Right.
It's too easy to make some pay stubs and cover my employment and do a fake identity.
What do you think about all the rappers that go out and spend all the money on jewelry?
They're going broke trying to prove how much money they have.
They're going broke trying to prove they're rich.
That's just, it's just complete stupidity.
And anybody who's impressed by that kind of stuff is just, they just, they're just uncouth.
I mean, unreal.
Uncouth.
That's a word my mom uses.
Uncouth.
They used to say, you have no chance to say to people.
Dropping out of 10.
What were we talking about?
Somebody just gave you $10 to give me for my leg extension.
They actually gave $20.
$20 total.
Your leg extension.
Here's $10 for your leg extension.
Oh my God.
Did you really consider doing that?
Listen.
I seriously could.
I told you, Becky.
I don't even remember that.
No, no, no, no.
I know back then, but would you consider doing it now, now that you're past 50 years old?
Would you still do it?
I seem so still.
And my arms are so short.
You look like T Rex.
You get the big legs.
I would look like T Rex.
Stretch your arms.
And I'd be like, long legs, and I have these little tiny arms.
Luke could photo.
Can we get Luke to do a mock up of what you would look like after your leg extension?
I could do the mock up.
You can do a mock up?
Yeah, but Luke would do a quick one.
I could do if we just put my head on.
On a T Rex, we can make like a little animation, like it's in like NBA 2K.
Oh, maybe if you cut this up, that'll be one of your things.
It'll be my head on a little T Rex with the arm.
That's a great idea.
That'll be one of your.
We're gonna mark that down.
Thank you, thank you.
Oh my god, there's so much fine arts fucking IQ in this room right now.
It's mind blowing.
Can't wait to do that.
But we got another one first of all.
Somebody said they'd give $100 if you finish the rest of the Jack Daniels and then Matt hits you in the face with a bottle of water.
I'm willing to know for $100.
Hell no, yeah, what would it take?
Hey, like a Thousand a thousand uh, for him, for me to chug the rest of the Jack Daniels.
Oh yeah, a thousand dollars, thousand bucks.
You heard it, people right, you heard it right here, one thousand, one thousand dollars.
And then I have to split it with Matt, two thousand for wow, what a what?
No no no, a thousand dollars.
Don't sell.
You want to talk about it not getting a thousand, a thousand, short arms and deep pockets.
No, I'm like an alligator.
It's first of all.
You already have eighty dollars.
Hey no wait wait wait wait, I'll get the bills.
Somebody hand me my beer.
80 of my money.
He's got 80 of my money already.
Yeah, you owe Matt 80 right now.
Right now, Keep it on the board.
Sam, write it on the board.
Put it on the board.
Did you hear yourself echo back in your ears?
That's why you laughed.
Sam, put it on the board.
Wow.
It's harsh.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Goddamn leg extension.
That is gnarly.
Deep cut.
No, no, that is like a serious surgery.
Did he do that?
No, he was thinking about it, but the girl that you were with.
How did she, like, do it?
He didn't trust her.
Where?
How?
Huh?
Do you have to leave the country?
No, no.
They'll do it here.
They basically.
They gave somebody a head transplant.
What?
Yes, you know, does all sorts of shit, man.
Somebody got a fucking head transplant.
I swear it's real, dude.
Somebody just gave $50 for mass arm extensions.
Yes, for $60 and new extensions.
What up, LS experts?
All right, you're going to be a shit.
We're going to have a new body by the end of this.
I guarantee you, in Mexico, if we get up to like two grand, we can extend all four.
Oh, my God.
We'll be all right.
Matt Cox is going to look like LeBron James after we're done with his podcast.
It's going to be like 2K when you just max out all the stats.
How much money do you think LeBron James has spent on his hair?
Have you seen anything about LeBron?
It ain't even all that.
It ain't even all that.
It ain't.
It ain't.
Still going in.
I wonder how much he has.
You can't hate on somebody for their hair.
I'm not hating.
I'm just saying if you spent a lot of money.
For my extensions.
For arm extensions.
I want the 50.
Listen, I need this money coming in for me.
There's money coming in for me.
I'm not sure.
I'll give it to you.
I swear to God, I'll give it to you.
What's the tab at right now?
110?
You can't add it up, I don't think.
Yeah, it's 60, right?
It's 60, 20, and 50.
There's a couple hondos in there.
Yeah, we got 100, 120, 100%.
But those are for you.
I'll give you some.
I don't care.
I'll give it all to you.
We'll donate it all to Matt Cox.
I don't want any of that donation.
Donation all to Matt Cox.
The leg extension.
LeBron Cox.
They actually cut your legs, right?
They break your shins?
The bone.
They break your shin bones or your femurs?
No, no, your femurs.
What?
Wait, wait.
Doesn't the thigh have to be in proportion with the shin?
I have no idea.
All I know is they throw it in.
Nothing has to be in proportion to anything.
That's the point of the surgery.
And then they extend it slowly.
The bone keeps trying to grow together.
So it'll grow together, then they break it again.
It keeps growing together.
So it takes six months to a year to get like a half an inch to an inch.
Or they can break it and they slide a piece of coral in between the two.
Coral?
Coral.
Because coral is just like bones made of the same type of.
There's a certain coral by the same density, and it'll grow into.
They just put a bed in my neck.
You got coral in your neck?
I put a box in there with a bone to fuse my vertebrae together.
Fuck.
Sick Fucks on the Internet00:03:49
And they cut his neck open to the front.
Yeah, to yeah, oh, because there's a bunch of muscle in the back, it's easier to get through the you don't look like you don't see any scars or anything, right?
Yeah, but it's not bad, it could be bad.
I've seen people wear the one thing that still scars me to this day, the one video I'll never forget the unknown Russian soldier.
Oh, god, dude, that's the I was at your house, dude, in like high school, steakandcheese.com.
Oh, my god, dude, what the that was like the most up thing that was the most up thing on the internet ever.
That website still exists, I ain't looking it up.
It was a A website dedicated to like just gore, gore, people dying or dead people, foreign videos, and you can find.
I remember you could find this 4chan before 4chan, yeah.
You could find pictures of Dale Earnhardt, like his, oh my god, dude, it was so so gruesome.
Are you gonna put this back on?
Are you gonna put this, or is this just gonna be live and that's it, or are you gonna actually keep this on so people can watch it?
You can come back, no, they're gonna come back and watch it, yeah, okay, I don't know, yeah.
And then we're gonna make a bunch of clips and funny thumbnails, oh yeah, we're gonna cut it up into clickbait.
All those times you went like.
This and stuff, oh, yeah, of course.
I'll be nice.
When I do that, nice.
Look at Jesus.
Oh, so yeah, rotten.com.
That shit was fucked up.
That was a fucked up time.
No, that unknown Russian soldier thing is the one video that never left me.
Like, it's always stuck with me and gave me nightmares.
It was the most like horrifying video.
This guy, they had like a foot on his chest with this big like crocodile dung d.
Serrated knife.
Dagger and just sawed his fucking neck.
While he was alive.
Yeah, what?
Oh, yeah.
That's horrible.
Crazy.
But there's shit like that all over the internet.
Dude, the fact there's people that want to see that.
We wanted to see it.
But we were like 16 years old, though.
Maybe that was the fucking audience.
Who else is on those websites?
Sick fucks.
Sick fucks.
Sick fucks smoking weed at your parents' house.
The FBI arrested us a whole.
There has to be like.
I don't know if it's 50 or 200, but any amount is plenty.
Yeah.
Of guys that had paid, like, they were paying like $300 or $400 a month to be a part of a website where a father was molesting his daughter.
Oh, man.
Who was eight until she was like 12 or 13, and they eventually got busted, and they just busted all these guys who had been paying like $400 a month for like two years.
And this guy's like once a week, he does a video where he goes into his daughter's room and.
Oh, my.
That's some serious stuff.
How did you find out about this?
There's a whole slew of books in Coleman.
Oh, in Coleman, you.
Of course, yes.
This guy was in there?
Not, not, not, I never knew who the guy was.
No, but they're skyward.
The guys that were paying.
So I paid for two.
Some guy who paid $500 or $400 for a year and a half or six months or three months.
And these guys are getting seven year sentences, five year sentences.
And they're like, damn, they deserve this shit.
You could be behind them in line.
You're sitting there waiting to get your chow.
And you hear two guys like, this is bullshit.
And now I got to pay $20,000 in restitution to this girl.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
I mean, I only paid for four months.
And you're sitting there thinking, they're like, I didn't do nothing.
You were paying someone to rape his daughter.
And you're pissed because now you have to.
It was just like there's tons of those guys.
So there's people that will watch all kinds of weird, stupid, ridiculous, disgusting shit.
So beyond fucked up.
I can't even fucking imagine.
You ever seen bum fights?
God damn.
Bum fights, yeah, yeah.
Watching Disgusting Content00:10:43
That was on when I was out and I used to watch that and I used to watch Bang Bus every once in a while.
It's ridiculous.
What about, do you ever see backroom facials?
No, but I surfed at this beach.
What about Captain Stabbin?
Yeah.
Captain stabbing.
What the fuck was that?
It's like a dude on a pirate ship.
Boats, basically.
I saw, I was in Mexico surfing at this weird, secluded beach break, and on the cliff was this big mansion.
And the dude's like, oh, yeah, that was the guy who started.
I forget the name of it now.
It was the college girls topless with the dude who started Girls Gone Wild.
The dude who started Girls Gone Wild, his mansion was on the hill there, and it was like.
Allison Arnold was in one of the girls gone wild.
Whatever happened to that guy?
The guy?
Did you know?
Yeah, there was a whole thing with him and Paris Hilton and something.
Is he free now?
Yeah, I remember seeing some on TV.
Didn't he get in trouble for something?
Well, some of the girls were underage or something like that, and he got busted.
I think it was something like that.
I don't know.
Oh, shout out to our sponsor, Bud Light, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
Bud Light, why are you here?
Shout out to Bud Light.
Newport, Puff Bar.
No, not them.
Do you really have a sponsor with Bud Light?
Maybe we do, maybe we don't, Matt Cox.
Starbucks.
We're speaking it into existence.
I understand.
Jack Daniels.
Oh, my God.
Supreme.
Rumplemans.
Are people still watching this?
Yeah, somebody is excited that we mentioned Captain Stab him.
Really?
Yeah.
My man.
You know how many people are watching?
Shout out Matthew.
Shout out my man.
There's 277 people watching right now.
277?
That's a lot of people.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, that's a lot.
Has anybody in the chat ever heard of Faxverse?
It's a YouTube channel.
And the star of the YouTube channel is sitting at this table right now.
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Fax?
Faxverse.
FACTS.
It was all about facts.
Fax first.
Yeah.
Okay.
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They specialize, we specialize in.
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It's just great stuff that you can tune in, learn a lot about and always have something to talk about.
And we do a live show every Thursday at 1, 1 p.m.
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Be there, get in the live chat and drop the kind of money that you're dropping right now.
We might not have Matt Cox, but we got me and that's it, and that's all you need.
Is it YouTube or is it YouTube Twitch?
It's YouTube.
Luke goes on there and he talks.
Like, he responds to comments and he does.
He posts his own animation show that he started.
Where it's really cool.
He makes these sick collages where he cuts people out of fashion magazines and he cuts out the mouth holes and the eye holes and he puts his own mouth and eyes and he creates these sick animations that are funny as fuck.
You want to see an episode?
You should show it to him.
It's called Lames.
It's pretty good.
You know who?
Hey, what's the real estate guy that he.
Ben, he interviewed Ben.
You had him on your podcast.
Oh, Graham?
Graham.
Graham.
I was thinking about Khan.
I wonder if Graham would.
I don't think he would.
He would not.
He's not up your alley.
No, no, no.
Okay.
That's disappointing.
He's like.
I mean, he's very real estate.
He's like, what's up, guys?
Smash that like button.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a YouTuber.
Yeah.
He's definitely.
He's a super nice guy, though.
Yeah.
Great guy.
Check out this fine arts.
Full screen that thing.
Let me get a I've seen this.
Looks like if a taco was a human centipede.
Are you talking about a triple loop?
Yeah, that's it.
Let me get that in the Baja Blast.
Okay, do you all take cash out?
It's a show based on shame.
True story.
Like laughing over this.
Because she has to watch and make these all day.
I have to pick myself up by the bootstraps.
If all Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi come busting in my house, take my bootstraps away from me.
And I'm going out, man.
Go lock them up.
Listen here, buddy.
Those are my bootstraps.
Anybody's going to be pulling them.
It's going to be me.
You got a better chance grabbing a turd by the cleaning than grabbing my bootstraps.
He is right.
Look at that.
He's posting that and he doesn't have a million subscribers yet.
Groundbreaking animation.
Groundbreaking writing.
Pulitzer Prize comedy.
Hit up your boy.
What I need right now is a Matt Cox fine arts degree review of what you just saw.
Oh.
Hey, are you walking away from the table?
Okay, you got a small bladder think about that answer I already went three times We're about to lose all our viewers Nobody's here for us exactly.
That's what I'm saying You're gonna join him in the bathroom at the same time way way easy there, buddy.
There's my crab Anyone's gonna be fucking with my crab.
It's me gonna be me.
Oh You almost spilled my crab juice.
Yeah, I wasn't even going to bring the whole thing.
Is anybody out there going to donate some more hair grafts to Matt Cox?
Or arm extensions?
Or arm extensions?
Or a neck extension?
Well, you want to lipo the neck.
The lipo, we got to wet vac the neck.
We got to get rid of the second neck.
Double neck.
He needs two necks.
What about a dick implant?
Have you guys touched on that at all?
I don't think anybody's talked about that yet.
We should ask him about that when he gets back.
Is that a possibility?
Oh, yeah.
There's multiple documentaries about that on YouTube I've seen.
Multiple.
I've already looked into it.
I've never searched it.
Don't worry about it.
Not that I'm interested.
It just kind of popped up in my feed.
Damn, that's just spicy as hell.
Yeah, it's Krispy Krab.
You never had the Krispy Krab?
Krispy Krab?
It's what I order on my birthday.
The Krispy Krab.
I had Krispy Krab at Gam's house.
Where's the Krispy Krab?
Oh, shit.
You just got some crab juice on my headphones.
You just got $3 to do another deckhand.
Oh, really?
That'll cover it.
Wow.
Definitely.
Thank you, Jamie Walker.
How much?
Three bucks.
To do jack hands?
You're going to do another jack hands.
That'll cover a pack of 305s for Shane Lee.
That doesn't even cover Shane Lee's beers tab.
You have no idea how expensive it is to have Shane Lee for the day.
No, it's expensive.
Are you eating a shell?
No, I told you.
He's eating the bones, Matt.
The bones.
I don't need the bone.
There's no bones.
I spit this shell out.
I need a sunflower seed.
Have you ever considered getting.
I've never had a crab before?
Would you, rookies?
Have you ever considered getting a penis implant?
How much would that cost?
I don't know.
I haven't looked into that, although.
Is anybody in the live chat?
I'm sure I should.
No?
Anyone?
No.
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Oh, my God.
Fuck.
I can't think of anything else but you eating that crab.
I know.
Me neither.
That crab's fire.
It just looks like a huge bug leg.
Like in Starship Troopers.
I love that movie.
It's a great movie.
Really?
Yeah.
You fine arts fucks, you love Starship Troopers.
Are you serious?
You never saw it?
That's a classic.
No.
I'm glad we can agree.
Yeah, see.
Finally.
What kind of music do you listen to, Matt Cox?
Country music.
Really?
Only country?
Pretty much.
What kind of country?
Like Hank Williams Jr.?
No, like Kip Moore.
I don't know who that is.
Kip.
Kenny Chesney?
Yeah.
The pop country fuck shit?
Yeah.
What's your favorite movie of all time?
It's a.
I would say, why is that funny?
Because the way he asked it.
The crab legs be hitting.
They hit different.
Did you ever see Gattaca?
Gattaca, no.
Yeah.
Gattaca and probably Shawshank.
Shawshank, really?
Shawshank was good.
Yeah, that's a classic movie.
Just because I remember watching it and just never saw the ending coming.
I was just like, wow.
Didn't you name some of the names after reservoir dogs or something like that?
Yeah, yeah.
The scam I was running, the farming scam.
Mr. Brown.
Mr. Pink?
Yeah, yeah.
No, it was James Redd, Brandon Green, David Silver, Michael White, Lee Black, William Blue.
And somebody asked you about that, right?
They thought it was funny or something.
I thought you told them the story.
I've told the story.
Nobody ever caught you on it.
No, it never came.
Well, keep in mind, they were all separate loans, separate places.
It just never overlapped.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You mean when I got caught by the bank?
I got caught by the bank.
Separate Loans Never Overlapped00:15:10
I don't know, maybe.
Yeah, I was on the phone, and the guy was trying to explain to him how I got the appraisals jacked up.
Yeah, I said, hey, is Waffle House open?
I'm hungry still.
Aren't they ready 24 7?
Yeah, it's fine.
You can't eat in there, can you?
Fuck.
You can only eat in the drive-thru.
They need to open my goddamn shit up.
Open up.
Get us back to work.
This is my constitutional right to go outside and be close to other people and sit in Waffle House.
I don't even have to go.
Are you scared of the coronavirus?
I want to say no because I almost never leave.
Like, I just stay home and paint.
But I do notice that when I go out, I'm hyper vigilant about.
You're like, you're going to go out with masks and shit?
Yeah, it gets weird.
And I'm like, so I find myself being conscious not to touch my face, not to do things, but, you know, which, and then I touch my face, but, um, You know, like you push the door handle open with your thing, and you do this and you do that, and it's kick the toe.
But I'm not, it's not like I'm serious.
Stacy has like clients that won't leave the house.
Like they're like, I'm not leaving.
She had one client that told her, she's like, okay, I think you're being a little bit.
Stacy's your landlord, right?
Yeah.
And my friend of mine, yeah.
And she goes, she's like, I feel like you're being going over the top.
And the woman told her, she said, she goes, I don't even feel comfortable talking to you on the phone right now.
What?
Yeah.
She was like, I mean, she goes, that's how nuts she was.
Wow.
I haven't left my house in over a month.
I this, I that.
I order everything.
I wash everything.
It's like, what are you doing?
I'm getting fucking crazy here.
I mean, you know, I don't know.
Listen, the economy, what it's doing to the economy, this is just devastating.
It's just ridiculous.
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, to be honest, couldn't we have just let it run its course?
I mean, granted, you're going to lose a chunk of people.
Some people actually think that this whole thing is made up to ruin Donald Trump.
That's crazy that some people actually think that.
I mean, it's not that crazy.
I mean, maybe that is true.
Bro, that is absolutely not true.
It could be true.
It could not be true.
Just cut me a check for $1,200.
If I could vote for it, I would vote for it.
What if, I mean, I know it's fucking crazy.
It seems crazy out there in the universe, and we think that it's completely fucking absurd to think that.
But all this aside, what if there was actually some people out there who fucking made all this shit up or created, actually released the virus just to fuck Donald Trump up for some political fucked up reason?
Who could generate a virus that wouldn't wipe anything?
Truth bombs that you're dropping over there.
You should change your first name to Alex.
Because you are really his son really blowing up the internet.
I'm kind of retarded.
Okay, the worst thing for Donald Trump is Donald Trump and the only thing that's gonna prevent him from doing anything is himself Yeah, totally Totally I totally agree with you, but sometimes I fucking get really high and I think about like what I just have this feeling.
You know what if it is that way news or information?
I just need this thought that I have what if all this crazy fucking shit?
What if the crazy people are talking about easy to ask questions about all that?
Then how do you feel?
Yeah.
What if you are right?
And then you have to actually explain your thoughts.
Have you ever heard.
Now, what do you do?
Now, how do you feel?
What do you say now?
Yeah.
Have you ever heard Sean Atwood explain his conspiracy theories about 9 11 and the Clinton shit?
Some of that shit seems so outlandish and bizarre.
But it's not that far fetched.
But once he lays out all the facts, it's true.
I mean, maybe somewhere down the road, there will be somebody like that who actually goes.
And finds out all the secrets and actually proves that this was some big conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theories are like a nice, like, alternate reality.
It's like fan fiction for things that are actually happening.
It's easy to, like, ask questions and make up stories about what you think actually happened.
But what's actually.
Does that really mean nothing's ever a conspiracy?
I think, honestly, that nobody has any idea and things just happen and we're just reacting to it and nobody can.
It's all a simulation.
No, no.
Nobody can just accept that things happen and there has to always be some, like, Huge story behind that's controlled.
Yeah, it's like, oh, somebody's controlling it.
It's like things just happen to be crazy one way or the other.
Yeah, but it's really hard to just accept that people fuck up, things slip through the cracks, and shit is random.
It just happens, and everything's random.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Danny, you just keep asking questions like that and have nothing to back it up.
And then it's like, yeah, but you know what?
Like sometimes shit be like weird.
What about Jeffrey Epstein?
What do you think about Jeffrey Epstein?
Do you think he killed himself?
Who knows?
Oh, shit.
I don't know about that.
That one, I'll get on board with that one.
That's too convenient.
Luke's getting on board with one conspiracy there.
I get on board with that one.
He killed himself.
What about El Chapo?
What happened to him?
Yeah, what about El Chapo?
He ain't getting out now.
Definitely Jeffrey Epstein.
There's no conspiracies with El Chapo.
Oh, shit.
I'll get on board with that.
I'll get on that one.
I'll get on that one.
What do you think of Epstein, Matt?
We already asked him.
Matt doesn't know.
Look, there's people watching this.
Matt's a guy who looks good.
He might not have solved it.
Because he got a lot of plastic surgery.
He's really confident and he tells it.
He's got a good story, okay?
Okay.
Everyone has subscribed to the Matt Pop.
What do you think?
Anything you say is.
You really think he hung himself?
He hung himself.
Why?
I mean, because he had a ton of money.
You don't think he could have bought his way out of his situation?
No.
Listen, he would have never let it get that far.
Too much leverage.
No.
First of all, it was too high profile.
He's in prison.
He hung himself.
Going from the level he was at to the level where somebody killed him.
You don't think he was going to squeal, tell the news on everybody?
Listen, there are you kids.
Listen, there's too many to get into a prison and kill someone is virtually impossible.
Not to have the guards, dude, right?
The guards aren't gonna.
There's too many guards.
There's too.
You really think he hung himself?
Yeah.
You don't think you think it's impossible for that to happen for them to kill him inside there?
Well, didn't you say?
There's too many cameras.
There's too many people would have to.
Where's the footage?
I have a question.
Why did the cameras go bad?
Why did the cameras go bad?
That's a coincidence.
Half the cameras don't work anyway.
Well, what the.
Well, that's a convenient.
In general, in any prison anyway, tons of the cameras just don't work.
That's where my taxes went to bad cameras.
Yeah, bad cameras.
That's unreal.
It's bad cameras, and you're going to go get some guard.
But they'll catch me and do some bank fraud, I bet that.
Some guard making $60,000, $70,000 a year.
How do I even approach you to say, hey, look, I know you're going to be on Epstein's fucking thing, and we're going to get you and that other guard, Billy Bob, and we're talking to Billy Bob, and we're going to get you guys to go in and kill Epstein?
That's never going to happen.
Never?
No.
It could happen.
No, they're gonna listen.
They're gonna be jammed.
You don't think they're gonna kill you guys?
Then they're gonna kill you two immediately to go, and then everything just disappears afterwards.
And the cameras are bad.
There's no case, there's no talk of it.
He dies, disappears.
Everybody's quiet.
Why'd he do that?
Why would he kill himself?
Who's got something to gain from all this?
Maybe he killed himself.
I don't know.
Maybe somebody killed him.
This shit is like these people are fucking.
I bet he ain't eating no snow crab right now.
Yeah, he guarantee he ain't eating no snow crab.
Let's wrap this shit up.
What are we doing here?
Are you reading the car?
This just.
Ridiculous.
I got a Epstein wormhole.
Matt, why don't you read one?
Oh, somebody thinks I'm positive Epstein died from autoerotic asphyxiation.
He finished before he died, though.
What about this?
Is that the you?
That's good to know.
The recent UFO photos released by, yeah, what do you think of those?
I don't know.
Nobody cares because everyone's worried about coronavirus.
Would you ever have a career in politics?
I mean, you would be a great president of the United States, you'd be a great politician.
I'd have to tone down some of the ridiculous things I say.
I don't know.
You want to ramp it up.
You're nowhere near Donald Trump's level.
Yeah, but yeah.
God.
What a problem he is for himself.
I mean, that's the whole problem.
It's like the whole narcissism thing.
I love the story you used to tell about when he got elected when you were in prison and all the prisoners' reaction to him getting elected.
They were so furious.
They were so funny.
Yeah, they were upset.
A lot of guys were perfectly happy.
Yeah.
So, but.
The bulk of them.
And what's so funny is that the Trump administration has probably done more for prisoners than.
More for prisoners?
Yeah.
Really?
Absolutely.
How so?
You know, I got time off my sentence.
Because of him.
Lots of people did.
I was supposed to get something like three months or something.
Kanye West?
Kim K. They're freeing all them people from prison.
They are?
Could have freed Matt.
What?
He's eating crabs.
He's just eating crabs and he's fucked up.
He's not even crabs.
He's just eating the shell.
He's chewing on the shells.
There's meat in these.
There's meat in these, there, shells.
Okay.
Yeah, Donald Trump signed one of the bills he signed.
The BOP used to short you about seven days every year.
And so what happened is all these other administrations are like, we're going to fix that.
We're going to fix it.
And they never did.
Obama had two terms, never fixed it.
Trump comes in within a year or so.
He's like, yeah, fuck it.
Let's fix that shit.
What do I have to sign?
Write it up.
Sure, no problem.
Boom.
Guys are getting four months off their sentence, six months, a year.
I was supposed to actually get several months, but I was already in the halfway house by the time it happened.
I ended up getting a few weeks.
I was actually supposed to get a few months.
But yeah, so I mean, it's, it's, look, they're letting, you know, they're letting tons of people out right now because of the coronavirus.
Yeah, in other countries though.
In this country?
No, in this one.
Really?
Half the women in the camp, in all the camps, if you did 50% of your time in the camps or in Coleman, they were letting the girls go.
Wow.
If you did 50% of your time and you were nonviolent, well, most women have nonviolent crimes.
So they're almost nonviolent, almost all nonviolent.
Yeah.
So yeah, guys are getting out left and right also on compassionate relief.
He also signed in the Second Chance Act.
He's signed a ton of bills.
I mean, look, it just doesn't make sense to keep guys, to keep some guy, some nonviolent guy, give him 20 years and keep him in jail for 20 years because he filled out some paperwork and some people lost some money and that's horrible.
Great, get him out, let him start paying it back.
No, we're going to give him 20 years.
I feel like they could have taken you and made you an intern for the CIA instead, made you an unpaid intern for it.
Why is it always unpaid?
I still have bills.
You could have been like a low paid intern for the Secret Service.
I mean, I don't have a problem with that.
At least you would have been doing something productive other than just sitting in prison.
Right.
I don't have a problem with that.
First of all, you realize how much cheaper it is.
And then once you've done that for a certain amount of time, you know how much cheaper it is to keep someone on probation than it is to incarcerate them?
How much cheaper?
I don't know.
It's got to be significant.
I don't know the actual number.
But I do know that I'm paying for all my own.
Bills and everything instead of the BOP playing, it's probably only a couple thousand dollars per year as opposed to thirty thousand dollars to keep you incarcerated.
It's thirty thousand to keep me incarcerated in the federal system, it's probably only a couple grand to keep you on probation.
A lot of people are saying Trump 2020 in the chat.
What about we need Amadeo?
When does Amadeo get out of prison?
When does he get out of prison?
We need an Amadeo Matt Cox bill.
Shame on smoking that jet fuel.
Nice.
No, he's been eating those fucking gummies, those hundo milligram gummies.
And those crab, 100 milligram crab legs.
Yeah.
Crab legs just leveled me back out to plane zero.
I'm back to when I walked in here.
There's literally, there's literally, I just started all over.
There's crab fragments all over this area right now from Shane eating all those crab legs.
You ordered it.
No, I'm not complaining.
I'm just saying.
You paid for it.
All this crab.
The listeners paid for it.
I wanted to share it with.
All right, let's wrap this up.
Well, wait, we got to find out when Amadeo's getting out.
When's he getting out?
He's going to do this podcast this weekend.
It's calling us soon with our Inside Connect, Johnny Appleseed.
Oh, thanks for calling in.
What a coincidence that he calls in live from Coleman.
That's a conspiracy.
That's a close friend, that's an old pal.
I got it.
Kyle Roberts just gave out 10 bucks.
What are you kidding me?
Plant twist Matt leaves Danny and goes to work for a name I can't mention.
So, look, so he gets out July 26, 2028.
So we need Amadeo for president 2028.
2028.
Amadeo for president 2028.
That's perfect, too.
We've got to vote for president.
Amadeo for emperor.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Emperor.
You're right.
Amadeo for Emperor 2028.
Nice.
That's the way to go.
We need shirts and then we need different shirts with different quotes.
All right.
We can make that happen for sure.
That's got to be huge.
Thank you, Kyle Roberts.
Well, we got enough money here for you to start running and start a campaign.
Start a campaign, get some commercials out, get some yard signs going.
This has been a great podcast, Matt.
I hope you enjoyed your crab legs and your potatoes and your corn and your boiled peanuts.
It was great to be able to sit next to you, too.
Yeah.
What do you think about Luke?
Hang out.
You know what's so funny?
Matt, what do you think about meeting Luke for the first time?
I think Luke's great.
What do you think about it?
That's a privilege sitting next to him.
We're replacing Kent Hatrack with Luke?
Yeah.
What do you think?
I have yet to have him not get fucked up the whole fucking time.
You know what kills me?
Every time we do a podcast, you always make sure that he's going to be here.
We need a sounding board.
You're too, you know, pencil protector.
He's a little rigid.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, we need somebody to kind of be like, hey, what's up?
He's like, I prepared for this.
Here's my questions and let's answer them.
He's like, I prepared for this.
Prepares for nothing.
That's the worst part.
You know, it just kills me.
It kills, yeah.
He's, yeah, completely unprepared.
It kills me the whole sitting next to you.
Somebody will send me an email or something, be like, hey, man, can you know, and I'll swap a couple of comments and then I end up talking to him on the phone.
Bro, it's so amazing to be talking to you and it's so this and so.
And I just feel like I'm just some douchebag that just got out of fucking prison and you're like, I'm like a huge.
Fan of and I emailed this crazy.
I emailed this dude and he responded to me.
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Right next thing I know, I'm an internet superstar.
That's that's Danny.
Danny made me an internet superstar.
How does it feel?
And he has no problem taking complete credit for it and all the money that's been given in the chat.
Yeah.
And you've been on Vlad TV, you've been on Vlad.
Uh, what's the other one?
Value Tame, some some rich weirdos flew you down to the Cayman Islands for like an interview.
I was in Puerto Rico.
Oh, sorry, get it right.
Some some rich dudes.
Flew him down to Puerto Rico to give like a two hour seminar.
And you know what happened?
What happened?
I didn't tell you this.
Listen, this is, I think it's Serendipity, right?
Serendipity?
It's where it's like, wow, it's like everything.
Literally, a couple days before that, I get a phone call from someone who says, How much did they pay you?
A thousand bucks?
No.
In Puerto Rico?
Yeah.
1,600.
And the plane ticket, and I stayed over at a very nice hotel.
And they were great.
Oh, okay.
So, but this is the cool part.
Listen to this.
The cool part is this, is that a couple days beforehand, I get a phone call from somebody saying, Hey, look, I know.
This lawyer, I just met this lawyer.
Did I tell you this?
Everybody knows him.
I don't think so, no.
Okay.
So here's what I'm not going to stop this time.
So, what happens is the lawyer, I know a lawyer, entertainment lawyer.
I told him about you.
I checked it out.
I read the whole thing.
He went to the website.
He checked out the website.
Then he called somebody that he represented.
Okay, great.
So they talked to this woman named Ann, and she's a producer.
And so he goes, she wants to have a meeting with you.
She's checked out your channel and all the stuff.
She wants to talk.
She does a bunch of movies.
And I said, okay, cool.
And I go, what?
When can she talk to you?
And I said, Well, she can't talk to me on Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever it was.
I said, Because I'm going to Puerto Rico.
And he goes, You know what?
She's in Puerto Rico right now.
Oh, the Netflix lady.
Yes.
And I was like, Well, I'm going to be in Puerto Rico.
He goes, So she's in Puerto Rico right now.
Where are you going?
I go, Well, San Juan.
He goes, Let me make a couple calls.
They make a couple calls.
Next thing I know, they call back.
They go, She can meet you in Puerto Rico.
She's going to be there anyway at that night.
She's shooting all day.
And at that night, she can meet you.
So I go and I meet the guys, right?
They pay me the $1,600.
I get into an Uber.
I then go to San Juan.
How'd they pay you?
Zilla?
Zill?
Zell.
Zell?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gotcha.
Like Chase Quick Pay.
Yeah.
So then I go, I get an Uber.
I go to the Vanderbilt Hotel.
Nice fucking hotel, by the way.
I could have lived in the bathroom.
It'd be the nicest fucking place.
It was amazing.
So I meet with her.
I spend three hours with her.
And that's when I met the guy, Kevin, the guy from Entourage.
Kevin, I don't know.
Why can't I say his name?
What's his name?
Kevin Connolly.
Kevin Connolly.
He plays E in Entourage.
So I meet him.
He's there.
I meet her.
I meet the other producer.
We talk for three hours.
And so we talked for like three days.
She's super cool.
And so we have dinner, and she ends up saying, Look, we're going to look over your content.
I like you.
I like the content that I see.
I definitely think we can do something.
I'll be in touch.
And I was like, Okay, I don't think much of it.
So, but, you know, I don't think anything's going to come of it.
So, what ends up happening is like two weeks later, I send her a text, and she goes, Oh my gosh, we were just looking.
Actually, yesterday, we were going to call you.
We looked over your stuff.
I needed to call you.
I'm so glad you.
So, I get on the phone.
I talked to her a couple of times.
A week later, I talked to her.
She hooks me up with this other guy.
And with this guy from Zero Gravity, and then Zero Gravity comes in.
They say, Look, we want to represent you on these two stories, and we'd like to manage you.
And that's where I'm right now.
We've had a bunch of phone calls, and I'm supposed to sign a contract with them to manage some stuff.
And you only got to pay us $5,000 a month.
We take 30% of all the money we're paying.
Nobody's paying us.
None of that's happening.
That's Danny's thing.
So, yeah, so that was a great trip.
And that's.
I think those producers are so weird.
It's such a thing of the past.
Like to be like, oh, I'm a Netflix producer.
Yeah, let's meet.
Let's go have lunch.
It's Netflix.
We can talk about our new series that we're going to produce.
Sign a shopping agreement with us and we'll try to pitch you to HBO.
You tell me that if a producer from Netflix or from Blumhouse came in and said, Look, we want to turn your thing into a this, you'd be like, Hey, enough with you.
I'm good.
Not interested in Netflix series.
I'm Danny and I'm doing my thing and I'm not.
Come on.
You'd be like, Well, let's talk about this.
Well, let's look at this from a different perspective.
Let's say that this is actually a successful podcast.
Let's say that.
Let's pretend this is successful.
Let's pretend that.
Okay.
First of all, here we go.
Somebody just dropped $90.
Wait, somebody just dropped $90 and says Danny has to eat one of Shane's old crab legs.
I'm making content.
So, hang on.
Pick up Michelle.
I'd like to make a point.
Yeah, pick up Michelle.
Ain't no meat left in there.
Ain't no meat left in there.
Fucking refund your $90, bitch.
Let's pretend that this is a successful goddamn Jack Daniels and crab legs.
You sick fuck.
You sick, Kyle.
Cal.
God damn you.
Was that Cal Roberts who gave that $90?
Yeah.
Oh, you fucked up.
Come on, man.
You got to at least nibble on one.
Nasty.
You got to at least, like, pick it up.
If you can convince Miss Sniffin to come on the podcast, then I'll fucking, I'll do it.
Let's pick it up.
Oh, there's some meat left in that leg right there.
I'm not touching that leg.
You just touched it.
Just put it up to your lips.
Let's pretend that this was a successful podcast on YouTube.
It'd be successful if you had some crab legs in your mouth.
Let's say that this was for, Example, a Joe Rogan style podcast that got every episode got a million views, right?
Right.
It turns out Joe Rogan has a crab.
Why hasn't he taken a deal with Netflix or one of these things?
He makes $50 million a year.
Dun, dun, dun.
There you go.
He didn't sign the deal with the devil.
He makes his own money.
He fucking creates his own content.
He owns everything that he does.
He has all of his own subscribers.
He doesn't have anyone wearing a tie telling him what to fucking do.
I understand, but you think that.
That's what's going to happen here.
It's not that I'm not investing in it.
No, the point is it's not going to happen here.
It would happen with someone that was on his level.
He controls everything he does.
Right.
He's not going to have, no one like Netflix can offer him anything that's worth anything.
Because he made 50, if it was Joe Rogan and he made $100,000 a year.
Sorry, that's the other conversation.
If it was Joe Rogan and he made $100,000 a year and Netflix came in, I think he'd take it.
Yeah, but the point is they wouldn't offer him that if he was only making $100,000 a year because he wouldn't have enough viewers to make any kind of difference on Netflix's fucking scale, on their meter.
It wouldn't do anything for them.
Why am I not understanding?
Is this me?
Yeah, you're not understanding it.
You're completely missing it.
I am.
I am missing it.
You are.
You are.
I'm saying that you have an opportunity to have a Netflix series.
God knows what they're going to pay you.
God knows the exposure.
It's going to be, it would be amazing exposure.
It could probably be a great payday.
It might run for 10 years.
Look, I think it's cool for people that made the Tiger King documentary because they spent five years filming and producing something that never got, never saw the light of day, right?
Nobody saw it.
But for example, if you're someone who's creating stuff that's being published all the time and you're kind of like building a brand and you're building an audience.
But are you building that brand to ultimately.
Kind of go to the next level or just continue on?
Yeah, definitely go to the next level.
You're always trying to go to the next level.
Is the next level what?
The next level is just the next level is gaining more of an audience, gaining, building a stronger brand.
That's the next level is just constantly trying to grow what you have and make it stronger, make it bigger.
So if someone said, hey, we like what you've done with, with, uh, um, hand, uh, Deck hands.
Deck hands with deck hands.
And we're thinking about taking some of those characters.
We'd love to turn that into a Netflix series about guys with alcohol problems who work on boats.
And we think that'd be great.
And would you be interested in working with us on some type of a series?
That's different.
That's different because Deck Hands is like a one off series that we did.
Deck Hands isn't like this show.
Well, okay, let's not say this show because this show isn't me.
I'm saying in general, me going and trying to do something where they say, look, we like your story.
We like to take it and turn it into a series.
Yeah, you're an artist.
I get what you're saying.
I totally get what you're saying.
My point is that I think that the whole like net, like I'm going to meet with a producer of a TV network, like to go talk about pitching a new TV show.
I'm like, that's a thing of the past.
That's something that is not going to last that much longer because people, I feel like the future of this kind of shit.
It seems like it's doing okay.
Yeah, Netflix is definitely doing it.
What about Hulu?
Are they doing all right?
They're doing all right, right?
Yeah, they might be.
My point is that people are making their own content.
Amazon is going on.
Oh, no, wait.
No, I don't think so.
Everybody's on a strike today.
Amazon, how much money are they making off of their content that they're purchasing?
I don't know, but I know that if they're willing to dump a billion dollars or half a billion dollars into content, they probably.
Is Amazon, what, like the third biggest company in the fucking world?
They have a space program and a content program.
Oh, of course, yeah.
They're stretched a little thin.
If they're building rockets, maybe they're going to spend some money on content, Matt.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're right.
Let's spend some money on like a cartoon and these space rockets.
From a business perspective, you just don't dump money that you're going to lose.
You just don't do it.
You don't say, hey, you know, we've got a trillion dollars.
Let's go ahead and throw away a billion.
Why?
Well, because we're like that.
No, you still have shareholders.
You still have to answer to it.
You're supposed to be making decisions that are furthering your agenda.
So you can't just piss away money.
You're a public company and you have billions of dollars you're accountable for.
You have to hedge your bets in some way or the other.
You gotta not.
They're not making badness.
They're doing like this makes sense here.
Now, do we lose?
Yes, we might end up losing, but ultimately we think we're gonna make money at it.
So they're not saying we're just pissing away.
They're buying it.
They're thinking there's some science behind it that says it's going to ultimately pay off.
And they're making programs.
So I'm saying.
Yeah, they are making programs.
I think that Netflix and I think those types of series that are doing it much quicker, I think what's dying off is movies.
Hollywood is dying off.
That's what I was getting out of it.
Those companies, yeah, those companies, that way of thinking, hey, we're going to spend four years putting together a movie.
You know how many times they've optioned that Rolling Stone?
Magazine article three times.
Yeah.
Every 18 months.
It's been four and a half, almost four and a half years that they've been optioning this fucking thing.
You haven't made a movie yet.
Are you serious?
Netflix would have had the movie done in six months.
Matt, this is a four hour podcast.
It's not my fault.
People are still asking for more in there, too.
It's crazy.
People are expecting something from you, Danny.
Kyle Roberts gave $90, and you haven't done a goddamn thing for it.
Not a fucking circus monkey, Kyle.
That's great.
God damn it, Kyle.
God damn it, Kyle.
Oh, man.
You got to do something for him.
I'm in the middle of doing a live podcast right now.
Luke, why don't you do something?
Because it's not my show.
Yeah, it is.
I'm only the facilitator.
You're a quarter of the show right now.
I am like an eighth of the show.
No, you're one quarter.
You're 25% right now.
No, actually, no, you're 20%.
You're 20% because Sam is part of this.
Sam is 20%.
It's split even around here.
It is.
There's five of us.
All right.
How many subscribers do you have?
On what?
8 million.
I don't know.
8 million?
I know you're joking.
No, it's 8.2 million.
Wait, with the mouth thing?
Yes.
No, no, no.
That's a different channel.
Oh, okay.
But he shows the mouth thing on the live stream.
Factsverse.
Everybody go check out Factsverse.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Factsverse.
Thursdays at 1.
You guys are going to check out your boy.
8 million.
8 million.
You do have a cool little robot.
Look at that robot.
I like the robot.
It's nice.
It's simple.
It's clean.
Make thumbnails.
Matt Cox approves of the robot design.
Look at that thumbnail.
That was done on.
I just do it to you.
I do it to everybody.
The robot was made on Fiverr.
It is amazing that you can mock your subjects and still get content, still get them to come back.
I'm shocked every time I see one of these fucking things that's Danny, that apparently you've done.
Every time I see it and I go, oh, that's it.
This motherfucker is done.
We're done.
This is rock bottom.
Huh?
This is rock bottom.
But there is always.
Lower to go.
There's always.
You can always go lower.
Basement, then you think no weight, bunker, then you think no weight, septic tank.
Yeah.
I'll show you one that I did today.
Oh, the shitham?
Super pumped about.
It was about 20 gross vintage hygiene trends.
That's what I'm doing with my fine arts degree.
Oh, my God.
Look at that.
How could you not click on that?
Watch me.
Wow.
That's just.
I'm sorry, I don't have a degree.
I'm not a college in podcast.
Sorry, I'm not making sculptures.
Yeah, it is.
I'm sorry, I don't like waking up at 7 a.m. to have some uninspired fucks making pennies trying to tell me what to do with my life and teach me things, teach me bullshit.
I don't understand what that was about.
Hey, where are we going with that?
School.
School.
Teachers.
Did you have a good time getting your degree?
I met my wife in school.
Okay.
Does Sam know her?
That is my wife.
Oh, okay.
I had a great time in school.
It taught me how to think.
Right.
I was going to say, there's a lot of problem solving.
There's a lot of.
I still don't know how to think.
It taught me how to think and how to use Photoshop and how to.
I learned Photoshop in high school, Mr. Barber.
You never learned Photoshop.
Regardless, we're all sitting at the same table right now.
Yeah, that's true.
We're all equals.
Sorry, Matt Cox.
You gotta come down to our level.
Seriously, I what do you mean?
I'm not at listen though.
I listen, I want my hundred and twelve dollars or whatever.
Yeah, it was just fucking the buck fifty.
Maybe those leg extensions, yes, you do.
We're gonna need the four.
We're gonna make a documentary.
Matt Cox can get his leg extensions.
I will do everything I can hilarious to contribute to that, and we will make a full on documentary, ten part documentary about Matt Cox getting his leg extension.
What if you got a bunch of legs and you look like a crab?
I'm sure you could do a mock up.
I could turn you into a crab.
I'll get some mock ups.
We'll do a crab, a lobster, a crawfish.
Shit, we'll even do like a sea slug.
A dolphin.
You ever wanted to be a manatee?
What about robot legs?
Would you ever get robot like Terminator legs?
Ooh.
Just chop the legs off.
Get fucking cyborg.
Get AI legs.
Yeah, Terminator eyes.
If I don't get back to the gym, I'm going to look like I have fucking so skinny robot legs.
You should get a Terminator eye, but instead of like finding who to kill, it finds who to scam.
Ha ha ha.
And like when it tells you their bank balance their credit score.
Oh my god, they're so shit The ultimate scam.
Oh my god, nothing but polite to everybody.
We deserve each other.
Yeah, we all deserve each other.
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It's time to end this shit.
We've hit we've hit rock bottom.
This is pretty bad.
There's you can always go lower.
Mm-hmm.
We push the envelope every time.
Oh Kyle Roberts just commented Mr. Jewel, but spelt it Jewel.
That's how it is spelled.
Oh, he's that's how you spell his name for real It is J U U L.
I swear to God.
Mr. Jewel.
Mr. Jewel.
That's where I learned how to use Photoshop in his class.
It shows.
Fuck off.
That's where Danny got his eyes closed.
Oh, Photoshop's decent.
You know how to open it.
He's a Photoshop snob.
Yep.
All right.
Well, it's been fun.
It's been real.
It's been fun, but it ain't been real fun.
I've had a great time.
It was a great time, honestly.
Sam, you had a good time?
Thank you.
Shout out to Sam, aka Stinklines, for running the camera switcher.
Stinkline69, holding it down.
On this podcast, she completely crushed it.
She did a great job.
And thanks to Matt Cox for coming in here and sharing all his amazing knowledge and wisdom on fine arts and real estate.
Where did the time go?
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Leave a comment on this after it's done, letting us know or letting Matt know how much you want him to create his OnlyFans account because that's going to pay for his leg extension surgery.
I'd pay to see that.
And on top of that, we all benefit from the leg extension surgery.
Matt Cox benefits because he gets taller.
He gets to look more like LeBron James.
And the whole entire YouTube universe benefits because.
Us three are going to make a documentary about Matt Cox getting his leg extensions.
It's true.
Can you imagine if, like, suddenly there was like $40,000, $50,000 came in and you guys come to me and say, No, seriously, you have to do a leg extension.
You can't do it.
Is that enough?
You're going to do it, right?
I don't think it is.
It depends what country you get it done in.
Yeah, true.
We could go to fucking Peru and get your leg extensions.
Take a road trip.
You have to be in Mexico.
You have to be in Mexico.
You have to be like stationed in Mexico.
Don't worry.
We'll get you a live cam.
You can't do anything.
We'll get you a live stream set up.
You have to have somebody take care of you.
I'll take care of you right here at this podcast.
I'd rather have a Becky take care of me.
I'll be strapped to the house right here for six months and be able to just throw money at you.