Matthew Cox details his 26-year federal sentence at Coleman, where he wrote true crime stories that inspired War Dogs and navigated a system rife with extortion, racial tension, and bureaucratic cruelty regarding restitution. He contrasts high-security "pens" with chaotic medium units, recounts fabricating a deportation hoax to manipulate inmate panic, and shares Juan Sanchez's story of laundering money for the Venezuelan government before escaping CIA agents. Ultimately, Cox argues that prison strips wealth but preserves moral integrity, proving that purpose and writing can survive even the most horrific confinement. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome to the Concrete Podcast00:05:58
Da Welcome to another episode of the Concrete Podcast.
This week's episode is round five with the crowd favorite Matthew Cox.
Matt Cox is a mortgage broker turned mortgage fraudster who was featured on American Greed, Dateline, and was eventually sentenced to 26 years in federal prison.
During his prison bid, he began writing the true crime stories of his fellow inmates, one of which was turned into the movie War Dogs.
The first podcast that we did with Matt was the story of his personal journey through the real estate business. evading the Secret Service and eventually going to prison.
It turns out he left out a lot of interesting details out of that first podcast, including how he conned his way out of paying any restitution during his entire prison bid, dealing with being in solitary confinement for weeks on end, and even experiencing the 2016 Trump election inside prison.
So anyways, this conversation is packed with gems and I hope you enjoy it.
If you want to support Matt, you should go to his Patreon.
Which is patreon.com, P A T R E O N.com slash inside true crime.
And subscribe to his YouTube channel, which is Inside True Crime on YouTube.
Both are linked below.
So I mean, you know, you don't this this was here when the last time I was here.
What was there?
This Was it really there was that garbage was over there on the I mean, this is really honestly you're the last podcast we've done honestly.
I've been on a podcast since the last one.
Yeah, I've been on a break I've been dealing with a lot of bullshit Matt.
I know can't talk about it.
You want to talk about this.
Yeah, what the hell is that?
Okay, so this painting you did is it?
Thanks for coming back.
It's great to see you again.
Yeah, yeah, we have nothing to talk about so what the hell is this?
Okay, well What have you brought here?
The this is a cut is that a cutting board?
It's a cutting board the fan art, yes, it's fan art.
Thank you.
You didn't watch the thing, fan art, bro.
This guy, he cut.
I get an email, I get an email from this guy who says, I forget his name, too.
I mean, I it's like a difficult, it's a weird name, yeah.
He's like Russian or something, yeah.
He's got a YouTube channel, he calls himself like the troll.
He trolls people, he makes fun of people, right?
But it honestly, his name to plug him on here.
No, we don't need to plug him.
Um, well, shout out to you, nice guy.
He was not, I mean, even though the troll, he's like a nice.
Oh, is he nice?
Yeah.
He sent me an email and he was like, hey, look, he says he asked me for a photo.
I don't remember that, but I'm sure he did.
Yeah, in person?
No, no, it's just the email was like, he emailed me saying, hey, I'd love to get a, I watched your podcast, you know, you on the podcast, you were great.
I'd love to get a, I'm in Orlando, love that.
He says, you know, I'd love to get a photograph with you.
I'd like, you know, I'm, I'd like for you, can I get your autograph?
You know, can you autograph one of your books for me?
You know, but he named a bunch of things and I was like, yeah, I mean, if you want to, you know, if you want to buy a book and send it to me.
I can buy one.
And I'll sign it and mail it back.
No problem.
So he mails it to me.
You know, I actually went up to Philadelphia.
I'm writing a biography for this lawyer.
So I go up to Philadelphia for like 10, 11 days.
I come back.
I check my P.O. box.
He mailed me the book, the shrinker book.
Yeah.
So I sign it.
I mail it back.
Bailout book, right?
Yeah, the bailout.
So I sign it and I mail it back.
Oh, but when I get it, this is in it.
When he sent me the book, this is that's in his video, right?
He makes that in the video.
No, he makes this in the video.
It's really, and it's really cool.
It's a fucking light.
It's like a cutting board.
Yeah, it is a cutting board, but with this screenshot of the podcast that's pretty cool shows how he prints it.
He prints it on the thing, on the thing, that's pretty cool.
He, he puts a gel or a clear coat over it.
He writes that with uh, one of those paint ink, paint sticks.
So super cool, yeah.
And it says, you know, and because everybody mocked me for the whole what, I have a degree in fine arts, so he does that whole hashtag.
He says it over and over and over again.
So I thought it was funny.
It looks like 3d to me doesn't look like 3d, like it's popping out.
Yeah, something's up there.
Super cool, people make that type of shit.
Yeah, it was really cool anyway.
And he did this whole thing.
And then so whatever uh two, three days after I mail it back to him two three, I sent him, hey here, I mailed it back to you.
Two, three days later I get, I get an email from him with just a little link.
I went, oh, what click?
I'm like, oh, that was that guy click, boom.
It goes straight to his channel and it's a podcast on him trolling me.
He says it's trolling but he was nice about it.
I mean he's making fun of me but it's fine, it's just a.
You know it's silliness.
He's got a channel just trolling you, Just trolling people.
Or just trolling people.
I think he does arm wrestling or something, right?
I don't know.
I didn't pay enough attention to him.
I just saw one video.
So, really, you know, it was just.
It was nice.
It was nice.
Leave a comment so we could listen.
Yeah, he'll leave a comment on this video.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this was the thing, and I thought it was really cool.
And I actually sent it to like 10 or 15 people.
Like, look at this.
This is great.
That's crazy, man.
Is that your first piece of fan art?
Yeah.
Matt Cox is now kind of a social media sensation now.
Yeah.
Would you say he has a degree in fine arts too, or no?
He's super creative, man.
I thought this was great.
I thought it was great.
So, what's it like now?
Have you run into anybody in the street trying to get autographs?
I don't know.
I ran into one guy at Starbucks.
Like he's staring at me and I'm looking over at it.
All of a sudden he comes over and sits down next to me.
I look over him and I go, and he goes, are you Matt Cox?
And he had the podcast up.
He had pulled it up.
Really?
And he goes, is that you?
And I was like, oh yeah, yeah.
I said, that's me.
I said, that's Danny's podcast.
And he's like, man, I knew I was you.
I watched the podcast.
The Fan Who Recognized Me00:03:18
We started talking.
We talked for a couple minutes.
Really?
That was it.
I sent it to you.
I was like, this guy, you can't believe this is hilarious.
This guy fucking recognized me.
It's funny.
It's funny that you said that they think like you're, people think that you're like some sort of God.
Yeah, they're leaving.
Crazy comments.
I've seen some.
This guy's amazing.
He's a genius.
He's, you know.
A lot of people think you still got a lot of money getting somewhere.
He's worth millions.
Yeah.
They think you've got some gold buried on the beach or something.
I'm living in my ex-girlfriend's spare room who took pity on me.
Oh, not just that.
Your ex-girlfriend's spare room?
Oh, my God, bro.
Let me tell you something.
Yeah, you never told us that.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Listen, like, okay.
Look, well, first of all, she's not really my, look, she's my ex-girlfriend.
It's a stupid relationship.
I was like 19 years old.
She was like 20.
I'm 19.
We start dating.
We date for a couple years and it's a 19 year old relationship with a guy.
She's not going to kick you out over this story, right?
Hell no.
Bro, listen, there's she, she, no.
Okay.
Listen, not after you hear this.
I mean, listen, you'll realize, oh, she's, we've been friends forever.
Okay.
We dated.
It was a typical 19 year old relationship with a guy, me, who works at a gym, who does nothing but work out, eat right, work out.
Back then, I'm doing steroids, everything.
So, She's got a job.
She's got an apartment.
I move in with her.
It's just a horrible relationship.
I mean, I'm cheating.
I'm doing all kinds.
I mean, I'm just a complete scoundrel.
I mean, I'm 10 times worse.
Imagine me young and good looking.
Horrible relationship.
And she keeps taking me back, taking me back.
And eventually, the whole relationship ends.
And then like a year or so later, we become friends and we're really good friends ever since then.
So the problem is, like her mom comes the other day to the house.
I may have to clear this with her.
So her mother, yeah, like for Christmas.
For Christmas.
Yeah, yeah.
Is that where you had Christmas?
At her house?
I stayed in the spare room.
Doesn't your mom live close to here?
Yeah, but I mean, I picked her up.
I brought her.
Oh, you brought your mom over?
No, no.
I went to my sister's house.
Yeah, we should have brought your mom on the fucking podcast.
My mom's 90 years old.
She actually is hilarious.
Is she?
She has to be if she's related to you.
She does all kinds of fucked up shit.
I mean, she's one of these.
She's almost like a Jewish mother, but she's a Catholic.
A Catholic mother is just like a Jewish mother.
Yeah.
Can we get her?
It's the constant, oh, you don't shave anymore?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So do you have any collared shirts?
No, I do.
You don't wear them.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, she has one ding, ding, ding.
And then it's funny because her caretaker or her nurse that stays with her, her nurse hears her make these just little stabs and she'll look over at me like, did you hear that one?
I caught that one.
Just constantly.
But anyway, so Stacey's mom comes over the other day.
has a little Christmas with her kids.
And her husband's there.
She rents out a couple rooms.
She's got this huge house on the lake, two lots.
She's running a rooming house for refugees or something.
How much is a room?
He needs a room.
Life in a Halfway House00:13:53
You're killing me.
Listen, it's a nice house.
He's not even kidding.
He does.
She's all filled up right now.
I don't see the mom.
Like I stay in the room because they're all doing stuff.
And then when she leaves, I said, hey, how's your mom?
And she goes, well, you know, she asked where you were.
And I went, oh, I said, I was actually going to go out there and be like, mom, and, you know, joke with her.
And she goes, yeah, that wouldn't have been good.
I knew her mom's kind of irritated with me.
Yeah, yeah.
But I was like, oh, I said, well, why you say that?
And she goes, well, and she's still pretty upset.
And I went, about what?
And she goes, do you have any idea how many times I went to her and cried my eyes out because of you?
She's really upset with you.
I was like, oh, wow.
I didn't realize she was, I knew she was, she made comments like, oh, that wouldn't be, you know, she makes comments like she's like, she doesn't like you, but I didn't realize it was like, She really is furious with me.
Yeah.
And I went, oh, well, hey, I said, if I'd known that, I would have come out and apologized.
I mean, I was a jerk back then.
I'm willing to, I can admit that.
I mean, clearly, I didn't.
You made my daughter cry.
You're a dick.
You know, I couldn't go and say, look, I was a dick and I totally fucked up, but I'm all better now.
I mean, yeah.
I was 19, for God's sakes.
My problem is, is that while that whole thing happened, like then, like that later on that day or the next day, I said, oh, I'm doing a podcast with Danny.
Like he's like hitting this ceiling of like 300 000.
He's like not breaking three.
I was like I figure we'll do a podcast and say hey, you know yeah, get your guys to get some people to subscribe, let's get this guy up over 300 000.
You know, kind of do a little podcast like hey, you know subscribe, push this over 300 000.
He's got a new, he's got a wife and a new baby.
Yeah, come on more subscribers.
Yeah, buy a hoodie.
And there are guys on there that say stuff like you know oh, you're putting all these ads on.
I don't work for free, This isn't your full-time gig.
This isn't a hobby.
Right.
You have to make money.
Those are just fucking internet trolls, though.
You can't take it seriously.
But it's still, it's like, I don't understand why go out of your way to be a jerk.
It's just people are upset.
People are fucking pissed off.
That's the new age now.
People are pissed off.
There's people that are sitting in cubicles somewhere in the fucking office building.
Miserable.
Making a shitty wage that are miserable, that fucking they just want to vent, and that's how they do it.
Right.
I honestly think that's what it is.
Yeah, but even just people sitting at home all day with nothing else to do.
I love that shit.
This is a second.
They love that.
This is the second coffee, by the way.
So I already drank one.
Yeah, I saw that.
This is the second.
He walked in here with two vented fucking coffees.
What's in there?
It's a vintage vanilla latte with like eight raw sugars.
Matt walks in here with eight?
Bro, in each one, I did like four miles today on the fucking.
Raw sugar's not that strong.
Raw sugar's just as bad.
I don't even drink all the sugar.
I only drink down to about that when I start to feel the crunch.
You don't like Dunkin' Donuts?
I love Dunkin' Donuts.
They got the super crunch.
They put all that sugar in the bottle.
Yeah, they do.
That Dunkin' Donuts fucking iced coffee.
Holy shit.
So listen, I was supposed to go to Stacy's mom's.
I was going to go to her mom's and apologize.
She lives on the phone.
Tonight?
Beforehand.
So it just so happened that Stacy's like, look.
First she comes in and she says, you know, if you're going to be doing the podcast, you know, my mom's like five minutes away from there.
And I'm like, I go, okay.
And she goes, I mean, you said you wanted to apologize.
And I went, I said, come on, you're joking, right?
She goes, do you really want to apologize?
And I went, I mean, listen, Stacy, like a saint.
Bro, I'm in the halfway house.
I had two places fall through.
Sure enough, five months, six months later, just before I'm getting out.
Nice.
Two places fall through.
Both of them, I would have said for sure.
Both of them fall through.
I call her up and I go, You're not going to believe this.
She goes, I got the room waiting for you.
Wow.
She goes, I knew you were going to enter.
That's awesome.
She's awesome.
Stacy's a saint.
God bless you, Stacy.
Maybe if her mom's so close, we could bring her on here and do the apology live.
Do the live.
Yeah, I think we should do the live apology, Matt.
So, anyway, I. Couldn't go because her mother was having, like, her aunt is going over there today instead of tomorrow.
So I got lucky and I got out of it.
You got lucky.
I mean, quit putting it off, man.
You got to get it over with.
It was two days ago.
You got to apologize now.
Call her right now and speak her.
So anyway, that's what I was saying.
Thank God it didn't work out.
I'm still good.
Next time I come, let's say if we do one next week.
Yeah.
You're going to apologize.
We should bring her.
You think she'd come on?
She's not going to come.
She hates me.
Why not?
I don't know.
I'm really going to have to almost ambush her.
We're trying to get her to the point where I can just show up because she's mad at me.
Yeah.
All we need is a spare to be on here.
What was the total?
You were gone for, how many years were you in there for 12 and a half?
12 and a half total.
Okay.
Yeah.
It happens.
12 and a half years?
12 and a half years.
Changes you between prison and halfway house and stuff.
Oh, it was 12 and a half years ago.
Yeah, 12 and a half.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, everybody thinks the halfway house is, they're always like, oh, so you're free.
You just sleep there.
No, bro, that's just another prison.
Yeah.
I was allowed to go to work and back.
When you first emailed me, you were in the halfway house, right?
Halfway house.
Okay.
Yeah.
And it was just because I was thinking maybe we could do like a true crime podcast.
How did you find us?
You know, because my buddy Treon, who owns a gym, he owns a Cultus 24-7 Fitness.
He used to be Frank Cultus.
It was his dad's gym.
So he owns these gyms.
It's a boxing gym and a regular gym.
It's 24 hours.
So.
I call him and I say, hey, listen, I'm in the halfway house.
And keep in mind, his wife had come to see me a bunch of times.
Like we've always been friends.
Like I grew up with him.
And I said, look, you know, he's like, what are you doing?
Where are you?
I'm in the halfway house.
He's like, oh, my God, what can I do to help you?
And I go, man, I need a full-time job.
And he goes, I can't pay you much, but I'll give you 40 hours a week.
You can work every hour you want here.
And so I was like, fuck.
I mean, he was only like three miles away from the halfway house.
So he came up, the first day he comes and picks me up.
He picks me up.
What were you doing?
He's got, I was, what do you mean, I was going to work.
I was in the halfway house.
You're working 40 hours a week doing what, though?
Oh, man, I'm doing, I mean, I'm cleaning.
You're at the front desk at the gym?
No, I wish I'm cleaning toilets.
Oh, shit.
I'm calling people.
I'm taking out garbage.
I'm fixing machines.
You're the gopher.
I'm doing it.
Yeah, I'm the gopher.
I'm doing whatever he tells me to do.
Yeah, right, right.
I'm thrilled to be out of the halfway house.
Yeah, hell yeah.
It's not like you can go have dinner with your sister or something in the halfway house.
There's no passes.
You know, it's like, oh, they just like six months before I got there, they just started letting you have cell phones.
You can't have a laptop computer.
I wasn't allowed to have a laptop, so I had to keep my laptop at the gym.
So he picks me up, and when he picks me up and I get into his Jeep, he's got this huge Jeep.
So I get into the Jeep, um, he's got a podcast on, and it's Danny.
Yeah, it's Danny, and I on the radio, uh, just audio, he's got the audio.
I don't know, it was not his phone, right?
It's like, it was just coming through the speakers.
Yeah, it's got the audio going.
Yeah yeah, I was running like Apple music or something.
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, Matt doesn't, Matt doesn't.
Yeah bro, I don't know anything.
Listen, when I bought my, my jeep, when I bought my little jeep I got he drove it for like a week right, because I couldn't drive it.
I couldn't park it there.
You have to wait till you get a parking spot.
So he took my jeep, so he comes to pick me up in it one day and he goes, man, this is, this is a really nice little jeep.
I mean, for what you paid for it, is this all right?
And I go yeah, I said well, I need a new radio or something.
He goes, what's wrong with the radio?
I go, what doesn't work?
And he goes.
And he pushes the button and this thing slides out and goes And he touches it and it, boom, it starts playing.
And I go, fuck, I didn't even.
And he goes, oh, we got to catch you up.
Which one was he listening to?
Do you remember?
What podcast?
It was one with you and Ben.
And he says something about Ben.
He's like, you got to go on there and talk to him because this guy does real estate stuff.
And I went, first of all, I said, this guy, I just got out of prison for real estate fraud.
He's the last person you want to talk to.
Well, not Ben.
He was talking about with Danny.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I was saying, Danny doesn't.
I'm not a real estate guy.
Right.
I said, this guy doesn't want to.
He didn't want to talk to me.
Right, right.
I said, I mean, I'm the opposite of what you're talking about.
You're the opposite.
Right, yeah, yeah.
You don't want me.
No, you don't want me giving people advice.
Right, right.
You don't want me how to go to jail for fucking 26 years.
Right, right.
Yeah, tell people.
Yeah, how you know, give advice.
What would you do?
Get a new social, the wrong thing, clearly.
Yeah, so it's still a great story, obviously.
Yeah, um, what my story?
Yeah, the story that I'm saying is telling me to go to you to talk to you about real estate.
I was saying no, but I said I could call, I'll bet you he could help me do some kind of a true crime podcast.
And then when I called you, you said, you know, the best way to gauge interest is for you to just come on my show.
And I thought, you're fucking conning me right now.
What, how did I call you?
Just trying to like.
He's trying to just get me to go on and tell that.
And then I was like, I'm in the halfway house.
And how would I do that?
And you were like, well, I don't want to get you in trouble.
Wait till after the halfway house.
And then I was going to try and do it when I was in the halfway house.
Oh, yeah.
He was going to try to sneak.
We were trying to get him on the podcast one day while he was still in the halfway house.
And while I was at work.
Like I could go to work.
He was going to say, you're going to work.
Leave work and come to the halfway house.
That's what everybody does in the halfway houses, though, right?
Well, they get caught all the time, too.
Yeah, not when it's published on YouTube.
Yeah.
And he was like, I could hold it till after.
And then he was like, but if I'm holding it till after.
Might as well just wait till you're done.
So we kept kind of putting it off and back and forth, but he kept answering questions for me.
You know, like I was like, what about this?
What about what do you do with this?
How does this work?
How does that work?
And he kept returning my emails.
And then I was like, he don't return a lot of those emails.
He had a very, very articulate email.
You don't return a lot of those emails.
Usually the emails are like, yo, how much for a podcast?
How much for a documentary?
That's the typical kind of emails I get.
And I just reply 1 million or 2 million.
Maybe one day somebody will pay us something.
But yeah, no Matt's email I wish I could I should show it.
I should like display it.
I would like to see that well written.
It was well written.
I'm sure very captivating email very Very captivating and I like to throw in the I always like to throw in some quotes.
Yeah, like the newspaper the the St. Petersburg Times said this fortune magazine said this Bloomberg said this and that way by the time you get to what when I start talking you're like fuck right you've already nailed this whole process.
Yeah, by the time you're lost.
Yeah, it's funny.
There's a funny thing about about about Forbes like I know Forbes for a fact I know a lot of people who pay for articles on Forbes.
You can pay to get anything fucking written, a Forbes article written about you.
Anybody.
I only had the one recently written.
Yeah.
I just know a lot of people who try to sell their online courses.
I'm not going to name who they are, but a lot of people who sell these online courses on how to do things like internet marketing or whatever.
They're like, oh, look at me.
I'm legit.
I have an article on Forbes.
The guy just paid for an article to be published on Forbes.
They pay the writer.
You can commission that kind of work.
That's like a way that.
They make money now.
Mr. GC.
Nice.
No, different.
Somebody else.
Yeah, the guy, Walter Pavlo, who did it one on me, he actually contacted me when I was in prison.
Oh, really?
And wanted to write a story on me when I was in prison.
And we went back and forth.
And then when I got out, I called him.
And he wrote that article.
Let me think.
Yeah, I'm not saying that you did that.
I'm just saying that's something that a lot of people do.
So it's like no, I'm not.
I don't have any money.
How much do you think you've got to pay to get an article in?
Fuck, who knows?
A couple grand, maybe.
That's it?
Yeah.
Nice.
Oh, I knew a guy.
1,500 bucks.
I know a guy, Ponzi scheme.
He got like a couple million dollars, and he had gone to like, he had gone to a publicist and gave the publicist like 40 grand.
Publicist got him.
40?
40.
The publicist got him into like a magazine that I'm not going to mention the magazine, but it's like a solid magazine that people go to.
Got an article written about him being like the youngest.
the youngest hedge fund, you know, the youngest African-American hedge fund.
It's all bullshit.
Writes this whole thing.
So he takes that and he starts raising money using that article.
Raises like $2 million.
Damn.
Just complete theft.
Two million.
Boom.
Ends up in prison with me.
And he's telling me the story.
And I was like, well, I don't understand.
He's like, yeah, they pay the reporter.
It's like, fuck.
Fake it till you make it.
That's nuts.
So what do we got here?
We got a bunch of funny prison stories?
Yeah, I mean, okay, so yeah, yeah, we're trying to.
So that's kind of like the podcast today.
We structured it in a way.
Matt just put together a bunch of really capped, you know.
A bunch of interesting stories from his experiences, and we're just going to piece them all together and shoot the shit.
Maybe.
Never done this before, so it may be choppy.
That's fine.
No choppy.
No exhibits this time, Matt.
There's no exhibit.
I still need an outline.
Everybody needs an outline.
My story, I can sit here.
I got a 15-minute version.
I got a 45-minute version.
I have an hour and a half.
I got a two-hour.
You tell me how many.
I got a two-day version.
We only got four pieces of papers today instead of five.
My story, I've told it a thousand times.
So I know there's still more to your story for sure.
I left stuff out.
Oh, yeah.
And that's why I wanted an outline because, like, when I got in my car and I was leaving, I was like, oh, I didn't tell him this one story that was so funny.
It was actually disturbing, but it was a great story.
Disturbing?
Well, because, you know, people would be like, God, you bastard.
Like, stop.
Don't judge me.
But, yeah, there were certain, some stories that I didn't say that I just forgot in my own, in the first podcast.
So I didn't want to do that again.
The very first one.
I didn't want to do that again.
I at least need something because.
That one now has, like, 1.2 million views or something.
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Yeah, one's insane.
Yeah.
Hey, I have a question.
The thing says like, it says like 900,000.
But then if you click on the video, it'll say like 1.2 million.
Yeah, sometimes just like it's called cash, internet cash.
So like if it's on your phone or whatever and you may have looked at it previously, it may not have refreshed that page.
But if you go to the actual video and you refresh it, it'll update it to the actual view count.
Sometimes when you're on like this has been days.
Oh, really?
Yeah, this is like, it's been saying 900,000.
Yeah, sometimes YouTube does that.
It'll say 900,000 and yet it's like 1.1, you know, if you look through the thing, it's almost at 1.2 million.
Yeah.
It's like, okay, well, it's been like this for fucking three, four days.
Yeah.
So I didn't know.
I didn't know if it's a thing or not.
It's pretty fucking nuts, dude.
Yeah, we're about to hit 300,000 subscribers.
299,400.
So 600 more to go.
Yeah, you got to break that 300.
We were on a tear for a minute.
We were on a fucking roll.
All right.
So everything good, Katie?
Audio's good?
I was just looking at your screensaver.
Oh, in case we want to pull up any videos or anything, she can pull it up on there.
We can look at it now.
No, it's not.
The island's kind of cool looking.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Like Fortnite.
Yeah, it's kind of like the Fortnite Island.
Have you ever played Fortnite?
No.
But when did you get you a PlayStation?
It was like Nintendo when he fucking went to prison, probably.
What was it?
I had some.
Maybe Sega.
I had Xbox.
Did you really?
Yeah.
And Halo 2 had just come out.
Oh, shit.
Right before you went in.
Did you ever play it?
You understand that Facebook had just come out.
Like my girlfriend.
Had just gotten up, had switched from MySpace to Facebook.
She's like, Yeah, there's this new thing, Facebook.
She's like, We ought to get you, we're going to get you a thing.
I'm like, I'm on the run from the Secret Service.
Oh, that wasn't too bad.
You didn't miss too much.
You shouldn't be doing social media.
It seems like a bad idea.
Had the first iPhone been out yet?
No, it came out a few years later.
I actually met a guy in prison one time, and he's sitting there telling me, He's like, Yeah, you know, he was doing something with iPhones where he was getting accounts.
He'd get an account in your name, a corporate account, and then he'd go out, and you would get like eight iPhones in the corporate account.
And then he'd take the phones, and then he would sell them.
Overseas, he had a whole thing on.
Yeah, I knew somebody who did that too.
Two, three million dollars over the course of like two years.
But he's sitting there like, you know, the way it works is, you know, with the iPhone, he's telling me about it.
And he kept saying, you know how on the iPhone, I said, bro, you understand that your crime didn't exist when I first, even for years, for years when I came into prison.
Is that a crime, though, to buy iPhones in the U.S. and go resell them in another country?
I think he's buying.
Yeah, of course it's fraud.
Is it really?
Of course they're financing.
I'm not going to fucking disclose them, my friend.
You got to think they're financing the iPhone.
So Apple's financing eight iPhones to a corporation that isn't your corporation.
They're handing them over.
They do something with them and they send them overseas and then they give them like $250 for each iPhone and they sell them for $500 or whatever.
So this guy's making $200, $300 per iPhone that are like $1,000 iPhones.
Right.
And he didn't pay anything other than a signature.
Oh, because he financed it.
Yeah, they financed it.
See, this guy just bought them outright and then went and resold them in another country.
Yeah.
Yeah, illegal.
What was the biggest difference when you got out technology-wise?
Oh, everybody's walking around like this.
Even I do it now.
They're just walking around.
Just smartphones, right?
They were probably different.
Walking around on their phone, driving around.
What, Blackberries back then?
They had them.
Or like regular phones?
Bro, I had a phone.
Before they did it.
I had the Razer.
Oh, that's right.
The Razer.
Yeah, we talked about the Razer in the podcast.
So, I mean, my buddy Treon, somebody sent me something one time, and he goes, and I was like, hey, this is when I just did.
I've been out for like the first week I was at work, and he got up.
I got something.
I was like, I need to print this.
How do I print this?
He goes, here, send it to me.
Well, how do I send it to you?
He goes, give me a phone.
He sends it to me, and he goes, okay.
He goes, go ahead and get it.
And I go, well, get what?
He goes, I printed it.
I go, he's standing right next to me.
I go, wireless media.
Yeah, he just printed it at the fucking printer across the room.
I go, are you the fucking?
Are you tweeting on your Twitter account every day?
Or do you have somebody doing your tweets?
Why?
Is there tweets?
Yeah, dude.
You're posting tweets like every day.
Like there's Matt Cox tweets that get posted every single day.
Like, how's everybody's holiday?
Let's pull it up.
Is that you or a troll?
Can you pull up Matt Cox Twitter?
It's John.
Okay.
There's a guy named John who said, bro, you don't understand how much he's doing.
You told me you found a guy that's like running your social media.
Bro, I've had so many people.
But he's doing a great job.
He's killing it.
He is killing it.
He's doing a phenomenal job.
You know all the videos that got set up.
He put all the videos.
He's like, send me this, send me that, send me that.
He's doing all kinds of shit.
That's great.
I mean, I've had so many people shout out to John man John, you're doing a phenomenal job.
Why he's killing it on Twitter?
I don't think you have to sign in, just search like Matthew Cox Twitter.
Matthew B Cox.
He did say he was gonna send me all that.
He was also.
I'll send everything to you before he but he could be sending it to you.
I erase anything that comes to my phone with Twitter M-A-T-H-E-W.
This guy's running your Twitter.
I thought it was you doing it.
No, I mean he had me fooled I Mean he knows I'm an idiot.
He knows I I've got I can't I don't know how really much of anything.
Oh, you know what's funny though like all the all of the artwork though I did Okay, it's like he's like hey, I need something for like this.
I'm like okay, I'll put something together and so what I'm gonna talk to him and say cuz I think he was doing I almost almost the other day was like hey man.
I thought you were gonna be doing Twitter.
What's going on with I keep getting stuff from Twitter.
I keep erasing shit.
You're deleting the posts from stuff that doesn't seem like it has anything to do with me and I was signed up anyway, and so I usually, when it shows up, I just erase it, erase it, erase it.
There's certain stuff like, if something from Walmart shows up, erase it, erase it.
Yeah yeah, you know, that's you in the YouTube comments on the videos.
Oh yeah, that's you the YouTube.
I figured out.
Yeah, he's got YouTube dialed.
I got an Android and it got it immediately.
Got a virus on it.
Mm-hmm, you get a virus on an Android yeah well yeah, IPhones don't get IPhones, don't get that shit.
Yeah Apple, we don't get that shit.
And they were difficult, you know, keep my night.
I didn't understand how everything worked.
So I'm having a real hard time with it.
And Treon was like, you know, finally he just said, listen, man.
He said, you got to get an Apple.
He goes, they're like idiot proof.
Yeah.
Anybody can use one.
He goes, I can use one.
He goes, I can barely read.
Right.
And he said, so I was like, fuck.
So I went out and I got an iPhone.
You know, still very, you know, almost no money.
And got an iPhone because talked to a buddy of mine.
He's like, hey, what's going on?
My fucking phone's fucked up.
He goes, I got to get into the phone.
He goes, well, how much are they?
I go, you know, they got this thing for like 400 bucks.
You can get this.
And he goes, okay, well, I'll have somebody send you 400 bucks.
Sent me 400 bucks.
This is my buddy in prison.
No.
Every time I've, I didn't tell you this.
No.
That's why I was saying we, I need to do, I need it.
We need to do a podcast just on me setting up my, my website, YouTube, all that, because every single dime of everything that I've done from my laptop, iPhone, everything, guys in prison have sent me money.
Everyone, you know, I need 400 bucks to buy it.
I don't have, you know, they're like, oh, you got to set up your website.
I'm like, yeah, but it's like a couple hundred bucks for this, a hundred bucks for this, a hundred bucks for this.
I got to hire this chick to do this.
Yeah.
Hire this chick.
I'm there like, well, how much is that?
I go, it's like 800 bucks.
They're like, well, he's like, okay, okay.
Well, I'll get you the 800 bucks.
What?
He's like, I'll get you.
And I go, why?
He's broke.
Who?
My buddy, my buddy Pete Rossini in prison.
No, Rossini.
He's giving you money for this shit.
Not him.
Just people in general in prison.
Do you understand that the guys in prison are like, he says he walks across the fucking compound and guys are like, bro, what's going on with Matt?
You hear he's like, yeah, I haven't met Matt.
I haven't heard from him.
And he'll go, Or he'll say, you know, sorry, he'll say, yeah, you know, I have you heard from yeah, yeah, I heard from him.
What'd he say?
What's how's he doing?
Is he doing is he doing the is he trying to sell the stories yet?
Is he what's he doing with the stories?
He's like he's he needs to set up a website and and they're like, well, look man if he needs anything let me know can they get access to YouTube in there?
No, no, absolutely not never in prison.
No way.
Hell no.
There's no computer.
There's a computer, but you have no access to the internet.
You have a very basic email system.
Okay.
It's like if you and I was just prison though because county people can get on like Facebook and shit on computers in there.
You can have phones in there and stuff in certain prisons or county jails.
Yeah, Luke's brother had a phone in there with fucking in there.
Right now he just went to the shoe.
Yeah, but somebody fucking boofed it.
Yeah, yeah.
You understand that?
No, you can buy it.
Somebody brought it in their asshole.
Yeah, it's contraband.
You can find contraband.
I hope he's not in jail right now.
You just got him jammed up.
We'll edit that out.
Maybe your PO might not like it.
Somebody.
People in there are sending you money.
Or you get in or one of the CEOs bring it in.
Yeah.
CEOs will bring in a phone.
You get a phone.
There's guys that have phones.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, definitely.
And then they get popped every once in a while.
Everybody goes to the shoe, and everybody's phone number who's on your phone, people will put phone numbers on their account where they're calling their mom.
Yeah.
And then they'll call from that phone.
Well, as soon as the cops grab the phone, they go, okay, let's start cross-referencing these.
Because you can see videos.
Jimmy talked to his mom four times.
Throw him in the shoe.
Oh, look, it's Bob Johnson.
Did you ever get thrown in the shoe?
Oh, I've been in the shoe like three, four times.
Really?
Yeah.
For what?
Never did anything wrong.
What is the shoe for the people listening that don't know?
Shoes is the hole.
It's the hole.
What the fuck is a hole like?
It's fucking horrible.
It's really not.
Okay, look, it depends on who you are.
For me, it wasn't horrible.
Yeah.
Because although I don't read well, I don't mind reading.
So you get bored enough, I'll read.
You just sit there and read.
I just read.
I'm knocking out a book a day.
The worst thing was bang on the door.
Well, at least the hole can't be that bad if you have fucking access to a library.
You don't have access.
That's what I'm saying.
You bang on the door.
They have a little cart they bring around.
You bang on the door until the cop goes.
You go, books, man, give me a book.
Give me a book.
They're like, hold on, Cox.
Hold on.
And they'll come back with the cart maybe an hour later.
They'll be like, What do you want?
I'm like, you know, you're like, oh, give me that.
Give me this one, this one.
They're like, hey, I got a James Patterson.
Fuck James Patterson.
He's fucking, give me that.
Give me that.
You know, you start yelling, and they'll give you four books, and you're like, okay, okay.
Four.
Wow.
You give me like four at a time.
That's it.
Damn.
And then you got to give them back.
So they're like, all right, how many give me the books back?
I know you got books under you know, you got to give them books back and shit.
You got to swap them and they'll so what does the hole look like?
What does the what does the shoe look like?
It's a the room in in everyone every prison's different, but in Coleman the the shoe is probably the it's a six foot wide by probably 10 or 12 feet deep and you've got a stainless steel shower in there stainless steel toilet stainless steel sink So it's a sink combo.
Yeah sink toilet combo and then a shower shower's hot as hell I mean, really?
Yeah, I mean, burning, scolding hot.
So you actually have to turn it on and let it run.
You have to wait till everybody's like using the shower at some point, then you can get in the shower stack.
It's off.
Yeah, it's that bad.
How many people are in the shoe at once?
Oh, God, man.
The shoe is massive.
There'll be 100 guys, 150 guys.
In a 6x12 room?
No, that's their own.
What are you doing?
One person per cell.
I want to say, I'm like, what the fuck?
Every room is boring.
They've got wings.
It's massive.
They'll put 200 guys in the shoe.
So it's just massive.
So you've got.
We got these hallways with nothing but sell, sell, sell, sell.
And they're two-man cells.
Oh, they're two-man.
They're two-man cells.
But you don't, like me, I would be in there for like two, three weeks without a selly.
That doesn't sound bad.
Yeah, but you never leave.
You're in there, what, 23 hours a day?
That's the fucking thing.
That's the kicker to it.
You know what time it is based on how many meals they're giving you.
Yeah.
Like by the third meal that day, you're like, oh, it must be basically around.
And what, you get one hour out of there?
Once a week, you get one hour.
One hour a week out of there?
Pretty much.
I thought you get one a day.
Oh, no, no, no.
One hour a day.
They might say that, but we're talking about it's just a little fun.
I don't care.
It almost never happens.
And you know where you're going?
You're going into a room this size that's a chain link fence.
You can't see anything.
It's straight up sky, and it's a big chain link fence, and you've got nothing.
So what am I going to do?
I'm going to run in circles inside the at least you get to breathe some fresh air or something.
Huh?
At least you get some fresh air or something.
I mean, I guess if you're a fan of fresh air, I think AC is good.
I've been in Florida my whole life.
I love AC.
I could never be outside.
I hate outside.
They had AC in there?
Yeah, it's freezing cold.
You burn it to yourself if you take a shower.
And I'm not complaining because other shoes are horrible, from what I've heard.
Roaches.
There's no roach problem in Coleman, which is great because I hate roaches.
So I know guys.
There's a lot of stuff in Florida, too.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But they've got, you know, look, the prison is clean.
You know, it's a pretty new prison.
It's really the garden spot of the BOP.
Most prisons are just disgusting.
They're falling apart.
So that shoe.
Although the fact is that you are separated from everyone, you can't really get visits depending on what your level is.
It's not that bad.
After three weeks, I remember a time I was in for like two, three weeks, and usually they'll come, they'll bang on the door, they'll be like, Cox, you want a cellie?
They'll say, You taking cellies?
And you're like, No, no, you're reading.
No, it's freezing cold.
At night, it's freezing cold.
They let you choose whether you want a cellie?
They only have one sheet.
That's what sucks, you don't get a pillow.
You get one sheet.
No comforter.
Oh, God.
You're balling up your clothes to use it as a pillow.
It's miserable.
And you're freezing your ass off.
Oh, of course.
Or you can do it on the shower and steam the whole thing.
They can't give you a fucking hoodie.
No, they're not.
They don't give a fuck about you.
They don't care about your comfort.
Damn.
So they'll bang on the door.
You taking cellies?
And you're like, no, no.
And then after two weeks, it's like, yeah, bro, give me somebody.
Get somebody in here.
Anything.
And then they'll put some guy in there for two, three days, and you guys will talk, and you'll talk like a, Like fucking 24 hours straight.
You know his whole story.
He knows your whole story.
And then three days go by and it's like they'll slot themselves.
And then the guy's like, all right, man, I'm going to go, bro.
And you go.
Hopefully, as long as you're okay with each other, you know?
What else?
So yeah, it's not, look, it's bad.
I hate to say it's not bad.
It wasn't bad for my personality type.
And that person isn't necessarily that bad.
Right.
And some people, and keep in mind, I was the medium.
I was the low.
I actually went to the shoe at the pen.
So I used to always say this.
I used to say, when people, I thought, when I get out and people ask me, where'd you go to prison?
I can say, well, you know, I went to Coleman.
I did a little bit of time in the pen, a little bit of time in the medium, and I finished out my bid at the low.
And that is true.
I was in the shoe at the pen for one day.
At the federal pen?
The federal pen for one day.
Terrified.
I mean, listen, on my way, when they bring me into the shoe and then I'm shackled and I'm walking in, literally on my way there, I'm like, bro, I said, you can't put me in with one of these motherfuckers.
And they're like, Cox, don't worry.
We'll put you in a.
They were so nice.
The COs were so cool.
Why were they so nice to you?
Well, because they're like, he's from the low.
Look at this little fellow.
They knew he'd get fucking bent over by the side.
Violent Crimes and Prison Cells00:15:20
Oh my God.
These guys are vicious.
I don't appreciate that.
But these guys are vicious.
Well, I mean, you would have, right?
Fuck.
Wait, but a lot of times those CEOs don't care.
Is there a lot of rape that goes on in those prisons?
Fuck yeah.
No, there's really there's got to be.
The problem is this.
People think that they're violent.
There's plenty of ways to rape someone.
They can just pressure you where you think you're going to get stabbed, right?
Four guys walk in on you with fucking shanks.
What do you know?
Have you heard stories, seen that shit happen?
I've heard that happen.
Yeah.
Or, or guys, and the thing, here's the problem is there's a ton of matter of fact, I got a story in here.
This is like the most embarrassing.
I'll tell you, it's the worst.
There are, keep in mind, there are gay guys in prison.
Right.
So you tell me if you're some guy with a life sentence and you're, you're, you're prone to homosexuality, maybe on the street you wouldn't have been a homosexual, but in prison, fuck it, I got a life sentence.
Yeah.
You're going to, you know, there's, it's not like they're, it's not like they're all macho guys.
No, there's fucking, there's, at a, a thousand guys.
There's 20 gay guys and there's three fucking transgenders that look like women.
Yeah, that's like Jake told us.
He was like, uh, rape.
There's guys in there that are even they're just, they're just gay in prison.
Yeah, they said no, they said call it gay for the stay.
They leave a.
Yeah, that's what he said.
One of our friends said that uh, some people just leave it at the gate.
They say that when they leave, they leave it at the gate.
That's what they say.
I was what.
The guys will come to prison, pick up a bible and then like, be in the church all the time for four or five years and then when they leave, they'd basically drop the bible back down.
What were you thinking?
I needed something to get him through.
He's in jail.
Whatever it takes to get him through it, you know?
Either God or sucking dick, you know?
One of the two.
God.
Maybe a little of both.
Maybe, hey, maybe they kind of go hand in hand, right?
No comment.
So yeah, 24 hours.
So I was there for 24 hours.
But keep in mind, when I'm walking in to the pen, guys got fucking tattoos on their eyelids.
Their whole face is tattooed.
Their whole body.
So wait, let's go back to that when you're like, don't put me in with one of these motherfuckers.
Like, don't, cocks, don't worry.
Yeah, I was like, you can't put me in with one of these.
And he goes, no, no, no, don't worry, don't worry.
You're good.
So they lead me into the regular, you know, into a fucking cell.
And the cop was like, he's like, okay, look, he said, keep in mind that at the low, the COs are dicks, complete fucking assholes.
Not all of them, but a lot of them.
Like just, you can't believe what fucking pricks these guys are.
So the pen, they're like, okay, Cox, listen, here's what I got.
Your fucking clothes right here.
I got this.
Here's some, you know, here's some cleaning stuff.
Don't drink it.
And I was like, I'm not going to fucking drink it.
He's like, you know what I'm saying.
Suicide?
Yeah, he goes, don't drink it.
He did this, this.
He said, I I know you like to read.
I got you about three or four books right here.
If you need any other books, just don't push the button.
Just bang on the door.
We'll bring you as many books as you want.
I don't know how long you're going to be here.
If you need anything at all, let me know.
I was like, wow.
Was it just because you were so nice?
Am I at the fucking Ritz or am I at the fucking Ritz?
Anybody I've ever talked to in prison, they've never said anything like that.
The CEOs being that nice to them.
Listen, at the pen, the CEOs are extremely nice because if you're some guy who's been locked up 10 years and you're going to die in prison, and you're 6'2 and you've been working out for 10 straight fucking years, are you going to take any shit from anybody?
The CEO or the prisoner?
The prisoner.
Right.
He's not taking any shit from you.
No.
Some fucking guard mouse off to him.
It's like, motherfucker, I'm dying in here.
You're going to disrespect me.
He has nothing to lose.
I'll beat you until they pull me off your ass.
And the COs know that, so they're very respectful.
So what happens is in the medium, they're a little bit more lippy.
At the low, they know that you're at a low security prison.
It's people that have been, they're in there for nonviolent crimes.
No, there's violent, but if you've worked your way down to a low, you've been behaving.
Right.
So they don't want to do anything crazy or else they're going to get pushed, right?
Right.
And they push you.
And so some guys snap and they maybe mouth off or they get into an argument.
They hit a cop or something.
You go to the fucking, guess what?
Here you go.
Back to the fucking medium.
Yeah.
Or you just take it.
Yes.
Because they got leverage on the prisoners there.
They got a lot more leverage.
That guy that was here earlier.
He's never had a nice story to say about CEOs.
Who?
Seth?
That guy that was here earlier.
He probably went to state prison, right?
Yeah.
He did like seven or eight years.
Right.
How do you figure I know that?
I need to look at that dude.
State prison.
Yeah.
I don't even like hearing stories about that guy.
Shout out to Seth.
He's a good.
Fucking dude right there.
No, I'm saying they work construction together.
He's a nice guy, but I mean, he's actually got a country music career right in the blossom blossoming right now.
Did you have him on your podcast?
Yeah, he was on one of the podcasts.
Yeah, he's the guy, the country guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw part of that.
Yeah, he's awesome.
He's got some really sick music videos on YouTube, and they got like he gets shit loads of views on his music videos.
He's funny ass guy.
He's awesome.
Um, but like guys would come in from state prison and start telling their state prison stories.
Yeah, I can't.
I you have to leave.
Yeah.
They got, why?
They don't have any funny stories.
Oh, yeah.
They're all vicious.
They're all horrible.
That's all stories he's ever told me for sure.
Right.
Because violent guys end up in state, you know, very seldomly do you, I've known murderers in prison, in federal prison, but they have federal crimes attached to them.
You know, most people are like, oh, so you're around murderers?
Not a lot.
It's very seldomly do you get murders in a federal prison.
Murder is a state crime.
You know, rape is a state crime.
You know, You know, you got all these different types of crimes that are violent crimes.
They go to state prisons.
So you're in there with guys that are getting into fights or breaking in places.
But chomos were in there, right?
Well, see, but if you're a sex offender, if you're a sex offender and you're in the state of Florida and let's say you have sex with an underage child, well, you're going to go to a state prison.
But if you are on the computer and you're looking at a dirty picture, federal.
Oh, okay.
You understand?
So you get the chos in there in the federal prison.
99% of them looked at some pictures.
They're just looking at shit online.
And they'll get 3, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12 years.
Like Jared Fogel from Subway or something.
Right.
But he's fucking hands-on.
He's all fucked up.
He went to the next level.
And the fact that he only got like 15 years or something.
What exactly did he do?
I didn't even pay attention to it.
He's done a ton of fucking child porn history.
But he's also got guys bringing him like underage.
Girls.
I mean, he's taking pictures of him and shit.
Yeah.
So he's, it's state and federal.
Or if you're bringing a girl over state lines, federal.
Or a boy, whatever it is, whatever they're doing.
Right, right, right.
So you got these guys.
And where is he now?
I don't.
Is he still in prison somewhere?
I don't really know.
That probably wasn't 15 years ago, I don't think.
No, it was not.
No, that was like maybe six or seven years.
Guys were all saying, everybody was saying, oh, he's probably going to Coleman.
He's probably going to Coleman.
Cox, you're going to write his story.
Jared?
Write the Jared story?
They were saying that there was, they said, oh, Subway's coming out with a new subway.
Well, he's a Florida guy?
Oh, no.
He's just shipping.
They would ship him there.
Just because it's a high-profile.
If you're high-profile, a lot of high-profile guys end up in Coleman.
Go to Coleman.
Right.
Gotcha.
So everybody, when that happened, they were saying that subway was coming out with a new six inch, the Predator.
Oh my God.
I think I saw that.
So, what was I going to say?
What are we doing?
We were talking about chomos and feds and state prisons.
Oh, you're talking about the COs that were really nice in the federal.
Yeah, because it's dangerous.
I actually talk about that in here.
That was one of the points I was going to get to.
When I came to the low SIS, they talked to every amendment that comes in.
It's like the secret security wing of whatever.
or agency within.
They basically patrol the officers and inmates and drugs.
They're like the FBI inside.
So you meet with one of them and they sit down with you and they say, okay, here's the way things work.
And I remember the guy said, he goes, all right, listen, Cox, you probably, you just did three, four years.
You know this.
He said, in the pen, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us.
He goes, in the medium, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing each other.
At the low, we're trying to keep the inmates following the rules.
He goes, follow the rules, you'll be fine.
And I was like, oh, I'm good.
He was all right.
That was it.
I always thought he summed it up very nicely.
Even when he said it, I was almost like, you summed that up really nicely because that's true.
The COs are concerned about the inmates harming them in the pen, so they're respectful.
They're polite.
In the medium, the guys are really fighting amongst each other.
They could be a little bit more of a dick to everybody.
Not much.
The low, they can just be complete fucked.
They just want to boss you around.
They just want to push you around.
Basically, I was a good inmate.
I basically followed the rules for the most part.
You're always doing something stupid.
I'm selling certificates at the real estate class.
You're taking the real estate class because you need to get a certificate to make your counselor happy because you're supposed to have so many certificates.
But you don't really want to do anything with real estate.
Nah, man, I just, okay, great.
Go get me two coffees, two creamers from commissary.
Bring it.
I'll do all your tests.
I'll put it in.
You'll get a fucking perfect grade.
And then come back in two months.
You get busted doing that?
Give you that guy got questioned a bunch of times.
Oh, did you?
I was always in debt.
Who would say that?
I would never.
I think this is very seriously.
I'm offended by it.
I want to know who said that.
That's ridiculous.
Okay, Mueller.
Because you've already nailed that.
I'm always fear.
I've always.
Okay, how can you say that?
Stellar reputation.
So, uh.
The same thing you would do at a bank, right?
I'm not fucking leaving.
Oh, my God.
Right.
Call the guy out of the bank.
I'm dying to leave.
Just give my shit back.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Um.
Come on, let's go through this fucking thing.
I worked on this all day.
I mean, this is crazy.
First day, what was your first day in county jail like?
Okay, I only mentioned, I kind of just go through it real quick.
I mean, I'm not real quick.
Let's go through it.
We got a nice little synopsis here we were going to go through.
So this is after court, you get sentenced, what, first day you go to county jail for this?
Oh, no, no, no.
Not I get sentenced.
No, it's not like it was out on me.
This is when they arrest me, bring me straight to fucking county jail.
You're in jail.
I walk in.
Guys are all, I remember guys, everybody was staring.
I walked into a room.
It was actually, about the size of this room, maybe a little bit longer.
Give me one of those coronas.
This is like what, booking room?
No, this is where the beds are.
I've already been booked.
I walk in, and I remember all the inmates are staring at me.
There's like 20 guys in room this size, all sleeping in this room, 20, 22 guys.
I walk in, they're all staring at me, and I'm thinking, holy shit.
And they're all looking at me, and the guy goes, he points up and he goes, You were just on TV.
I go, What?
They were watching the news.
He goes, You were just on TV.
He said, You were on TV.
He said something about in chief.
He said, You steal a bunch of money from an insurance company.
And somebody else goes, Banks, bro, that shit, Banks and shit.
You a gangster, motherfucker.
You a gangster.
I thought, Holy shit.
I don't know what he's saying.
I mean, these guys are just, I don't hang out.
But they liked you.
Yeah, no, well, they didn't start stabbing me.
Which is what my concern was.
When I walked in I looked at these guys.
I mean I was like holy, this is, this is, this is a bad situation.
So I go in.
First thing I do is I want to make a call.
I go, pick up the phone.
I can't figure out how to make use the phone punching in numbers can't figure it out.
This black guy comes over to me and he goes, yo he's, he's time to call Peace.
I said i'm sorry, time to call Peace i'm.
I'm sorry time peace, man.
Time to call peace man, peace i'm.
I start looking away, looking around like, I don't know what the fuck he's saying.
And he's speaking English.
Right.
So this white guy comes over who's got tattoos, he's got horns and shit on his fucking forehead.
And he comes over and he goes, I got this.
He goes, You're trying to call your people.
And I go, My people.
Your peeps.
Keep in mind, I've never even heard the term people.
Keep in mind, I'm not, keep in mind, I say that all the fucking time.
I don't give a fuck.
You're just the epitome of white privilege.
You've never been around anybody of any culture.
No, I've never been around.
Like, I've been around, you know, Spanish guys and some black guys.
They're doing the roof or they're doing you know, but i'm not, or they're, they're educated.
I haven't been around guys that are street guys, that are street guys, right.
I've never met a street guy so that the white guy comes up, he goes.
He said, you're trying to call your people, I go my people, he goes your family.
Are you trying to call your family?
And I was like oh yeah yeah yeah, he goes.
Okay, I got this so he helps me use the phone.
I can't use the phone.
You got to push 50 numbers in.
You got to put your inmate number in everything.
This was the beginning of a long, long journey, Matt.
I remember talking to the, to the white guy after it was we, you know, you got nothing to do.
There's one TV out of 20 guys, 15 of them are Spanish.
So guess which channel you're watching?
The Spanish channel.
Telemundo.
Yeah, so you're just sitting there.
All we're doing is playing chess and talking.
So the guy's got horns on his head.
And I went, bro, after a couple of days, you seem like a normal guy.
And he goes, right.
I go, what's with the fucking horns on your head?
He goes, you know, I came in young.
I think I told you this one time.
He came in.
He goes, I went to a prison where guys were being killed every week.
He was so, I didn't think I was going to make it.
So you just get crazy.
Yeah.
He said, then I finished my state sentence and I came here to the feds because I had a fed bid to do.
He said, now I'm going to be out in a few.
And, huh?
So he, you know, so, you know, he's leaving.
So he's going to the feds now.
And so now he's got four.
He thought he was going to be dead any day now.
He's got tattooed fucking spiral horns on his forehead.
He's got all this.
Now you're getting out.
You're not getting a job at the bank.
Right.
What were you thinking?
You know, he thought he was going to die.
So he thought he'll never survive it.
Right.
Anyway, so you meet all these guys.
So I end up.
Then when I eventually get transferred, I get flown to Oklahoma City.
You get driven around in these vans and shit.
It's horrible.
Being transported is the worst.
You get moved around.
I end up going to Oklahoma City.
And is it fucking 8.40?
Yeah.
That is ridiculous.
We didn't start the podcast until 7.45.
Jesus God Almighty.
We've been talking for an hour.
We're waiting on Fuku over here.
No, that had nothing to do with me.
Okay.
So are we getting through this?
I mean, we just started.
Because I'll talk like this.
You saw all the guys like, I'll watch a six-hour podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
You're even saying there's like 60 or 80 guys saying, I'll watch six hours.
You've got to go.
You're captivating, Matt.
Danny might have to go on this.
Danny's got a wife.
I don't got shit.
I'm off to work.
Danny could leave.
Me and you could chat for a while.
I got all night, Matt.
Okay, so anyway, I get transferred.
I fly around.
I eventually end up back at Coleman.
I get sentenced.
I go to Coleman.
When I go to Coleman, they send me to the medium first because I had so much time.
I had 26 years, so you've got 20 years left.
You're just done.
You couldn't really send me to a pen.
I can't go to a low.
I go to the medium.
When I go straight into the housing unit where I'm supposed to go, I meet my Sully.
I think I mentioned this.
Remember when I tell you that?
That I meet my Sully.
And then I walk back out and then they start screaming lockdown.
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Oh, yeah.
Somebody got stabbed in the yard.
Yeah.
He's like, you got to get in here.
He just got stabbed up a little bit.
Yeah.
He was like, oh, somebody died.
And he's like, no, no.
Someone just, they got stabbed up a little bit.
First day.
Yeah.
Just stabbed them up a little bit.
That's the same thing Tampa Tony told us when he went to prison for the first day.
Somebody got stabbed out there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's, you know, it's a bad situation.
So.
Yeah.
It can't be a good situation.
I'm getting stabbed up a little bit.
He just got poked a little bit, right?
Yeah.
He survived, right?
I don't know.
Who knows?
Who knows?
I'm sure he's fine.
You know how many guys I've met?
Listen, like 90% of the guys that meet him have bullet holes.
They've all been shot.
Everybody's been stabbed.
Everybody.
It's just ridiculous.
So, I mean, the mindset there is so, it's so, there's so much mental health issues.
There's, I've got a whole wing just for guys with mental health issues, bipolar.
They've got guys that, there was a guy named Mr. Freeze who had narcolepsy.
You fall asleep right away.
What happened?
Mr. Freeze?
They called him Mr. Freeze because he had narcolepsy.
And narcolepsy apparently like he would be walking across the compound and just fall asleep.
Yeah, but he wouldn't fall.
He would if he was sitting down he'd fall down He would walk and he'd suddenly just stop And he'd just sit there for like a minute or two and then he'd go just blank out and he'd start walking again and they called him mr. Freeze guys that were in the unit with him They said he'd be he would be sitting in a chair watching TV and all of a sudden he'd go and he'd fall out of the chair and hit the ground boom and lay there for a minute or two and guys would just look over Then he'd get up get back in his chair You're telling me hitting the ground didn't wake you up?
Holy shit, dude.
So, you know how he ended up in the feds?
How?
He got some for theft or something, whatever, something stupid.
He ends up going into state prison in Florida.
Well, there's no AC.
So he's there, and it's silly, and he's complaining about how hot it is.
And he goes, Oh, you want ACs?
You've got to go to federal prison.
He goes, Why do I get to federal prison?
And he goes, Oh, man, you could do anything.
You just got to commit a federal crime, and you'll do all your state time in federal prison.
Yeah, he's yeah.
He said, well, what's a federal crime?
He goes, you could threaten the president.
So he writes a letter to Bush.
So at the time, he writes a letter to Bush and he says he's going to kill Bush and his entire family and he's going to rape the dog.
Wow.
Just throws a little sprinkle on top.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
And so for good measure, Secret Service come.
They question him.
He says, yeah, I wrote the thing.
They bring him back to court, gets in front of the court.
The lawyer explains to the judge, listen, the guy's, he's practically retarded.
I mean, you know, serious.
I mean, he had like issues and he's like, Your Honor, this is what Sully had told him.
And the judge goes, Yeah, but he wrote the letter.
These judges, they had no sense of the error.
Yeah, but he wrote the letter.
He's like, He's not even capable of getting himself to Washington, let alone harming the president.
It's ridiculous.
He's like, Yeah, but he wrote the letter.
He is in it.
And this is what I was told that he said, that the judge said, He goes, The fact that he wanted to rape the dog is disturbing to me.
He said, I'm going to give him what he wants, though.
That was the golden ticket of the letter.
He is going to federal prison.
Right after you finish your state prison stint, you're gonna go, you're gonna get seven years in the feds.
That's why I was in the feds.
Hey, angle your mic a little bit up more.
Oh, just a little bit straight up more.
Like that.
Like this.
Like that?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
So that's hilarious.
So is that how he got the Mr. Freeze?
I know.
Mr. Freeze was because he it works.
It works, right?
Yeah, he did get the AC.
He got the AC, so it's Mr. Freeze.
And then they had another guy named Itchy.
Itchy was a black guy who had hair that he never combed.
It was just like a rock.
And Itchy was schizophrenic.
Itchy, like, you know, you have all these like an afro?
Like an afro, but it's just like rocks.
Like he never walked.
Like it was hard.
You know, if they don't, they got to pick it out and stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah.
It just gets like knotted up.
It's like a big dreadlock.
He's like a homeless guy.
He's like a homeless guy in prison.
Yeah.
And, you know, they have all these walkways.
Itchy would walk right across the grass.
Look, if I walk across the grass, I'm going to the shoe.
Itchy would walk right across the grass, and the cops would be like, itchy, itchy, itchy.
And he'd go, ah, ah, ah.
And he had a catchphrase, which was, I still want my dick sucked.
So the cops would yell at him, and they'd be like, itchy, come here.
And he'd walk over, what, what?
They'd go, told you not to walk across.
Now you go down the sidewalk and he'd go.
All right, all right, and he'd go.
Fine, he'd start walking off, he'd go I still want my dicks up.
And they'd be like itchy.
I mean, it happened, he was, he was, he was crazy.
He'd walk up and start yelling at guys to give him coffee.
They knew he was.
How old was this guy?
Oh, he had to be in his 40s or 50s, Jesus.
So I was on at the time.
I was taking a Paxil and I was still.
I was taking Paxil and I was uh, I was in Paxil.
Is what it's a?
It's a for uh, it's a for depression and social anxiety.
So I have social anxiety.
I don't like large crowds.
I'm in prison.
So I'm really having a bad situation.
And I suffer from depression.
So not good.
So I'm in what they call pill line.
So I'm standing in pill line one day, and Itchy just walks right across the grass.
Everybody's screaming at him.
He walks right in the front of the thing.
Everybody backs up.
Like they're all like, oh, he walks straight to the front line, gets his pills, gets his pills, takes his pills, and walks right back to the unit.
Never really left the unit much except to go get pills.
Well, there's this guy going, man, that guy's fucking crazy.
And there was a new guy who had just come to prison and he got like five or six years.
I don't even know why he was in the medium.
He probably shouldn't have even been there.
And I looked at him and I went, bro, I said, man, that guy's messed up.
He's like a homeless guy.
He's all fucked up.
And I go, bro, that guy right there?
Keep in mind, most of your time is spent trying to entertain yourself.
So you do stuff you would stay busy.
Stay busy to keep yourself entertained, find things that are funny or interesting, read books, whatever.
So I'm sitting there and I go, that guy?
I go, bro, that guy used to own banks in the Cayman Islands.
And he goes, are you serious?
I went, yeah, bro.
I said, he was on like the cover of like Forbes magazine, and he had a fucking jets.
And yeah, I said, he used to, you know, like 10 banks.
He was laundering money.
I go, that dude's a fucking genius.
I'm fucking itchy.
And he goes, he goes, well, he's crazy.
I said, well, bro, some people, this guy was complaining about how much time he got, like four years or five years.
And I go, well, some people can't handle the time.
They just snap.
And he was like, fuck.
So I'm just fucking with him, right?
You know, trying to because he's already been.
He's like, I don't think I can do all this time.
I got like four years.
It's like four years.
Shut up, man.
Why don't you talk to me?
So you turned yourself in.
You know, I mean, guys, I know that turn themselves in, they got like 10, 15 years and turn themselves in.
You got 15 years and you turned yourself in.
Run.
Yeah.
Give it a shot.
You already got your time.
I can't even talk to that guy.
So this guy's completely.
So I tell him a couple days later, I'm in the chow hall.
And I'm sitting at a table with a couple guys and Itchy walks in, walks up, grabs his fucking meal and walks off and sits down at a table.
I mean, like, Itchy was so nasty and disgusting.
No one sat by him.
He'd sit at a table.
Everybody would get up and move.
Yeah.
Because he's like, you know.
So, and he didn't wait in line.
So that he gets his food sits down that and the guy another guy I don't know is telling another guy saying well that guy that guy owned like 50 fucking banks He's worth a billion dollars.
The story was like he was on the cover of fortune Forbes Wow private jets and I'm like so someone took your story and just fucking Yeah, it's crazy.
That's amazing.
Yeah, that is it's hilarious So what was itchy actually in for did you already say that?
I have no one knows he's probably crackhead in some conspiracy.
You'd be shocked There's every once in a while there's some crackhead that's like How did you even commit a federal crime?
It's like, well, he happened to be one of 30 guys on a conspiracy.
He's the lowest man on the top.
He's the guy that is running back and forth, and the DEA comes in, and guess what?
You just got a federal crime.
Should be a state crime, but the DEA was investigating the top dogs, and your name's one of the many.
They know you'll probably operate.
What I want to ask you about depression.
Oh, yeah.
You said you were taking depression meds in there.
Are there a lot of people that commit suicide in prison?
Is that a regular thing?
Is that like a concern?
Like the guy was like, don't drink the fucking.
Liquid, probably in the pen.
There's a lot more uh like mutilation.
Guys will cut their themselves, their fucking dicks off.
They'll what?
Oh yeah, that's that's something.
Did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide?
Did you know?
I'm getting people that are saying that in the comments.
Really, you need to investigate Epstein's, you should.
Okay, was he murdered anyway?
So uh, we don't even want to touch on that one.
So there's a look.
That prison's gnarly looking.
It's a tower.
That prison that he was in.
The Metropolitan Prison in New York?
Yeah, most prisons are.
Not Coleman.
Coleman's like this long flat.
Coleman's nice.
Plenty of space.
It's a decent prison.
Yeah.
Anybody that goes to Coleman and complains, they're just.
How many prisons are like that prison that Epstein was in where it's just like a fucking tower?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know how many are.
He was in Rich People Prison, right?
No, that was not a Rich People Prison.
No.
No, not this time.
His first bid, he barely did any time at all.
He has to stay at the prison like five days a week or something, just sleep there.
Really?
Ridiculous.
Yeah.
His first time he got in trouble.
Come in during the weekend, leave on the weekends, or vice versa?
On the weekend, he had to stay there.
But during the week, he was allowed to leave at 7 or 8 in the morning and come back at 7 or 8 at night.
He got to work.
He only really slept there during the week.
I don't even know that was a thing.
No, it's not a thing.
He had such an overwhelming amount of money and legal talent that they made this sweetheart deal.
And of course, he gets out and starts doing it again.
He's got a sickness.
Instead of saying, hey, I got a pass, I need to go fly straight, it just emboldened him.
So.
Okay, so the prison, oh, as far as, you mean the pill line thing?
Like the pills?
Yeah, no, I don't know.
I was asking about suicide, and that led just right into the Epstein.
Yeah, it's fucking, bro, there's lots of people on pills.
Do you think Epstein really killed himself?
I have no idea.
What are you doing?
What would you guess?
I don't know.
I want to talk about it.
It's a hot topic.
It's relevant, Matt.
This is a good clip.
This is a YouTube clip.
This is a viral clip.
I barely read anything about Epstein.
You didn't?
Yeah, no, of course.
I saw the news.
There was a couple articles.
They're questioning it.
Nobody knows.
The guard was there.
He had threatened suicide.
Do you think Hillary could have paid off the guards to fucking kill themselves?
You really did?
Really?
Yes, of course.
Maybe cameras just randomly malfunction.
Yeah, they malfunction.
Half them cameras don't fucking work, bro.
You understand?
You know that the towers.
It's high profile.
You know the towers.
They make sure them cameras are working, man, when Jeffrey Epstein was in it.
The place is run by idiots.
Nobody gets to the top of their field and ends up working at the BOP.
Nobody.
The cameras are never working.
You know how understaffed they are?
Do you know that the pins, all the pins have towers, right?
Nobody's in them.
Nobody stays in them.
Really?
Yeah.
They've been infiltrating for 10 years.
Holy shit.
No, no, I don't think he was murdered.
Maybe he was.
I don't know.
Yeah, but they said his neck was like severe.
I don't know.
I didn't pay enough attention, but they said his neck was literally fucking snapped.
We're not going to solve it.
Matt, you might be able to solve it.
Matt, if there's anyone who can solve this, it's fucking you, man.
Did you read it?
Did you see what happened to his neck?
Did you look into what happened to his neck?
No, I didn't, but I'm sure I could order his autopsy report.
Yeah.
Can we just do a whole podcast on Epstein?
You would have to order a Freedom of Information Act.
How much would that cost?
We don't need those people showing up here.
It costs anything.
It's free.
It's basically free.
Okay.
The only time I've ever been denied the Freedom of Information Act is Frank Amadeo.
CIA, like everybody was like, you know, no, national security.
You don't think they'll do that for Epstein?
They got to.
No, because why?
It's a it was a they said he had dirt on everybody.
Yeah, but if they're saying it was a suicide, then the autopsy report and the suicide report and the blood, whatever, where they test his blood, all that's public records.
You can get all that.
Okay.
But of course they're going to say that, right?
What?
Well, I mean, if they've done it right, it's all doctored anyway.
You're never going to know.
Even if the real killer came out and admitted it right now, There's so much stuff that points away from it, they'd never believe him.
It'd just be another conspiracy.
Somebody in there has an arts degree that forms the paperwork.
Some guy with a fine arts degree dummied up everything.
Right, all the whole paperwork.
Holy shit.
Oh my God.
That's going to be a good clip.
Oh my God.
It's ridiculous.
You know what I was thinking about when you talked about the depression medication?
Yeah.
Is that they changed providers at one point for the depression medication?
Could you imagine being the fucking pill company that sells to the prison, the Prison Bureau?
Well they wow, they're printing money once that fucking they probably right out of Florida.
You know there's a, there's certain rules that, like they have to pay top dollar like the, the prisons do.
Yeah yeah, I don't get great anyway, did they go through like I I, what is it uh?
P p I, o's or ip o?
What are those p?
Uh, an ipo?
No, for for the fucking?
No the, the HMOS or something not HMOS?
What am I doing?
Basically, like insurance yeah, for your medical yeah right, so it's not like they're just giving them.
So not all inmates can get them.
They have to have a certain they have to pay for insurance.
No, Basically, you got to qualify for it.
No, you're getting whatever you're supposed to get.
They just have some kind of different insurance carriers in the prison system where they're providing insurance.
It's where all your tax dollars are going, Dan.
So they switched providers.
This is what I was told.
Who fucking knows with these guys?
So not all inmates can get medication at the prison?
Of course they can get it.
Of course, all of them.
Okay, so the prisons have to buy the insurance.
The prisons have insurance to cover the whole prison.
You don't make any money.
Got it.
Okay, I got it.
You don't make any money there.
Yeah, but your fucking relatives can pay for it, right?
No.
Your mom can't give you commissary that pays for your pills and shit?
No, they wouldn't allow that because that would mean that the rich people are getting better care than the poor people.
Right, okay.
You gotta go see them nurse the whole night.
That's why I ask these questions.
I don't know the answers.
That's how I learned.
It's the great equalizer.
Okay.
You could be fucking a multi, multi millionaire.
You're sleeping on the top bunk.
Got it.
I don't give a shit.
I've been here three years.
It's a great equalizer.
Fuck you.
You know what I mean?
I'm a grade one and I'm making 60 bucks a month and you come in and you're doing the same job.
You just got here, you're making $15 a month.
You know what I'm saying?
Trust me, there's just very little.
You can maybe put money on other people's books, which you're not allowed to do, and you can get somebody to maybe clean your room, do your laundry, make your life a little bit easier, but it ain't going to be much easier.
The best it could be is still shit.
Yeah.
You know?
Still locked up.
So they changed providers.
Yeah, they changed providers.
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And so they switched me from Paxil to like Welbutrin.
Welbutrin, I didn't like it.
It made me feel weird.
And then I switched to.
Did Adderall in there?
Then they switched me to something else.
They switched me to another thing.
Then they switched me to like Zoloft or something.
I tried to take that and I felt like I couldn't follow conversation.
So this went on for like three months.
Finally, I just said, you know what?
Fuck it.
I'm not going to take it anymore.
I'm just going to see what happens.
Yeah.
And then I've been dealing with it ever since then.
I was telling Stacey.
Are you still taking those meds?
I don't take anything.
That's good.
You shouldn't.
That's just bullshit.
That's just so fucking so bad for you.
Yeah, but here's the difference.
Where before, when I was taking Paxil, everything was okay.
I'm okay.
Everything's good.
My house burned down.
Oh man, that's horrible.
I hope nobody was hurt.
I mean, just didn't affect me.
Everybody used to say, nothing bothers you.
You don't, and I didn't obsess about anything.
You were a zombie or something.
Right, because I was, well, I wasn't a zombie, but it levels you off.
I felt okay.
And now, this is what I'm saying.
Now the difference is I wake up at 5 in the morning, my alarm goes off, but I don't get out of bed till about 5 15, 5 20, because I spend about 15 or 20 minutes telling myself, it's going to be okay.
Keep in mind now, I'm in prison.
When I was in prison, it was 10 times worse.
I would lay in bed and I'd go, oh my God, I'm still in prison.
I'd be like, it's going to be okay.
It's going to be okay.
And, you know, I would lay in bed.
My first thought was, honestly, how much dental floss do I have to buy to weave a rope to kill myself in the bathroom at 2 o'clock in the morning?
Because that's when you can do it.
There's a pole over the handicap stall that's high enough that you can actually, you could actually hang yourself and you'd be done.
That's the only real spot to do it.
I mean, it was that bad in the mornings.
So I would be like, how much dental floss do I have to buy?
And I would sit there and I go, what are you, it's not rational.
What are you thinking?
And I was like, I can't do this.
I can't do that.
And you just go over in your head and go over and go over it.
And then I'd say, just get some coffee.
It's okay.
It's okay.
It's going to be okay.
It's going to get some coffee.
Just get some coffee.
So I'd get myself out of bed and I'd just go, just get some coffee.
You can always do this.
Just get your coffee.
Get some coffee.
Then you get a little, feel a little bit better.
And it's still, it's like, I can't do this.
I can't do this.
And I'd say, no, I got to meet so-and-so today.
I'd get dressed and then I'd go to the library.
I'd work with somebody or I'd write something.
And then by.
By the time recall came around where they call you back to the unit, at 10 o'clock, I'd be like, it's okay, it's okay, you can do it, you can get through the day, you can get through the day.
And this is the conversations going in my fucking, while I'm talking to you, this is what's going on in the back of my head.
You can do this, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this, it's gonna be okay, it's gonna stop thinking like that, stop thinking it's not rational.
And so by the time lunch comes, I'm eating lunch, it's okay, this is good, they got apple pie, I like apple pie, you're fine, tonight they're gonna have fried chicken, they make good fried chicken here, it's good, it's okay, it's okay.
By two or three o'clock, you're like, I feel okay, I can do this, I can, I'm okay.
By five o'clock or six o'clock when I'm eating, I'm like, it's good.
You're locked up with some good guys.
You like Greg.
Greg's a cool guy.
Jimmy's all right.
He always makes me laugh.
You know, by eight o'clock, they got the movie on the night.
It's good.
Oh, I love that movie.
It's James Bond.
It's great.
By nine o'clock, you're thinking things are going good.
I got this in the courts.
This is happening.
So and so's doing this.
I might be able to make it out.
By 10 o'clock, I'm kicking ass.
I'm getting out of this fucking place.
I'm going to fucking hit the streets.
I'm going to write these fucking stories.
Everything's going to be fucking amazing.
I'm going to sell fucking options.
I'm going to fucking kick ass.
I'm going to be driving a fucking Ferrari.
I'm going to be dating a 22 year old.
You're like fucking Wolf of Wall Street.
I'm going to be fucking amazing when I get out.
Gonna buy or they're gonna fucking die and by the next morning, how much fucking dental floss do I have to buy every day?
This went on the whole fucking time and I was telling Stacey the other day about it and she was exhausting, she was well, but you don't, you don't think that anymore.
And I went.
I still lay in bed till 5 5 15 5, 20 telling myself, it's okay, I'm not thinking about getting dental floss, I'm thinking, does Stacey have a gun in the house?
They wouldn't let her.
I know she doesn't have it, just for a brief second.
But listen, you know, I got to see a psychiatrist, right?
I got, bro, they got a lot of people see psychiatrists.
I mean, that's like, that's a normal thing now.
I got a normal court ordered fucking psychiatrist.
But I'm saying a lot of people, a lot of really successful people use psychiatrists now as like a weekly ritual.
That's because it's good for your mental health.
Like it's, it's okay now to talk about like people, people do that.
It's popular now.
It's a lot more popular now.
I mean, yeah.
Well, mine's court ordered.
So, uh, yeah.
So, but it's good.
Like, you know, it's good for you.
You should do it even if it wasn't court ordered.
I guess.
Do you do it now or no?
No, I have to get out of court.
Do I order to see a psychiatrist?
Fuck yeah, bro.
Listen, if I could get to that story on here, you can't believe how much I shot myself.
It's not cool.
I got to drive to fucking Brandon.
She's not going to help me.
They think they're going to fucking help me.
I'm 50 years old.
I'm fucked up.
I mean, it's over.
And I'm not trying.
So, you know, I'm all fucking jammed up.
But, like, I shot myself in the foot with this fucking psychiatrist, bro.
Like, I'm done.
I bet you if the next five years I'm going to this psychiatrist, they're not letting me out.
Because you're supposed to do what they want to hear.
Not what you're.
Actually, it doesn't feel good to go out to go there.
What do you talk about?
I already know you told that story and I read it on your phone.
I remember.
I remember i'm like you should have never told him that.
Man, you're a fucking idiot, I totally.
Yeah, come on man, I didn't know that.
How am I supposed to know it's gonna?
You know, keep mine, you're going through the process.
Well yeah, now I know.
So anyway, so that was the.
Yeah, that was the.
Uh, you know, here's the thing I wrote, this whole thing.
We're just shooting this.
This is ridiculous.
This is, this is a.
This is all bad, No.
Oh, my God.
Because it's ADD.
We don't have to follow any kind of story.
Oh, my God.
It's ridiculous.
No, but what I was saying, what I was going to say is I thought people with your personality type, the narcissist, sociopathic personality type, they're not going to kill themselves.
They're self-preserving personality types.
That's why it's very brief.
It doesn't last the whole day.
I mean, it's like, you know, it gets better right away.
You know within minute, within 10 minutes five, 10 minutes so and it was horrible in prison initially wasn't until I started writing and feeling good about myself again that it was really, really wasn't.
It was still bad, but it wasn't that bad.
Right, keep in mind, the writing really helped it.
Oh, the writing.
It gave me purpose right, it gave you, yeah it.
It didn't matter, I was achieving something, so all it mattered was I, I. You know, that's the worst thing about prison for me is that the worst thing for prison for me was that I wasn't achieving anything.
I don't really have a family that I'm kept away from.
If you're married with three kids and you get a year, you're going to do a harder time than I'll do in 10 years if I have nobody on the street.
I knew a guy one time, he got arrested.
He'd already done state time one time.
He did like three, four years.
He's dating this girl.
He gets jammed up.
He's going to have to do five years.
He's going to do the drug program.
He said, I'll be out in about three years, maybe two and a half to three years.
First thing he did was, as soon as he had to turn himself in, His girlfriend drives him to drop him off.
He tells her, We're done.
She's like, What?
He goes, I know you think you're going to write me letters and this and this, but it's over.
I'm not calling you.
I'm not writing you.
We're over.
It's over.
I'm sorry.
I love you.
Find somebody else.
He didn't want to have to deal with that when he was in there.
Because he'd been through it before, and he said, it made my time so hard.
Because you end up being the guy that's calling on Friday night, and she's not answering.
And so the next day you're calling, and you're like, where were you?
What the fuck are you?
It's torture, right?
It's torture.
It's fucking torture.
Right.
Better off, just don't call.
Know she's with someone else.
He's like, look, when I get out, if you're available, that's great.
Listen, the real reason I knew that was he was getting two, three letters a day.
He's getting mail.
They're calling his name three times.
She's sending pictures of them.
She's writing letters.
This went on for like, two, three weeks while I was locked up with the guy.
Then I got transferred to another prison.
This is when I was bumped.
There I was, I was jumping your your, your bump from one prison to another, to another or to jails yeah, while they're trying to move you to where you want yeah no, what I wanted to say about the depression stuff, I think it's.
I think it's interesting how you found your way through the depression, through finding a purpose in life.
You found your, your purpose and your calling and, like you wanted to write stories.
You had a like goal you had.
You were passionate about it.
Right, that got you through the.
You didn't need the depression pills anymore.
I think a lot of people Leaving YouTube comments have that same fucking problem.
I mean, maybe.
Maybe.
A lot of people in the country, a lot of people in the country, they don't have that.
They don't have something.
They don't have a purpose.
They have their job.
Right.
And they get to make mean comments on fucking shit.
Right.
And they're unhappy.
They're trolls.
Yeah.
Well, you got, you know, I mean, to me, you got to have, I got to have purpose.
I got to be doing something.
I got to be creating something.
Everybody.
I mean, most people do.
Yeah.
I would think, but you'd be shocked how many people are just happy going to their job.
Their purpose is just getting through life.
To me, it's just getting to know and entertain.
A lot of people, like a lot of women, like my wife, she just wants to fucking raise a kid and raise her family.
And that's her purpose.
That makes her happy.
A lot of people.
Right.
That'd be nice.
You could wake up every day, not go to work, and fucking chill out at the house.
I wouldn't want to be a mom.
It ain't easy, right?
Yeah, it ain't easy.
That ain't fucking easy.
That's a hard fucking world.
That's a tough, yeah.
It's nice to.
I feel like my job's a cakewalk compared to doing that.
Like, holy shit.
But here's the problem is because you're not designed like that.
Your job's a kid compared to 99 other people.
You know what I mean?
It's like you're not set up like Stacy.
Stacy loves to make food.
She loves to make sure.
Is everything okay?
Do you need this?
Have you guys eaten?
She loves to be like a mom.
She's a mom to everyone.
Same thing with my wife.
To me, it's like, if somebody's like, hey, I'm hungry, go get yourself something to fucking eat.
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What are you telling me for?
I'm not feeding you.
I'm not making your food.
I'm not, you nuts.
She would, anybody walk in and be like, I'm kind of hungry.
Oh my gosh, I just made this.
Do you need this?
Yeah, there's a Wawa down the street.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's different for women, though.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
For women, it's like they're designed like they like their motherly.
Some of them are.
Some of them, not at all.
What's the worst thing you saw in prison?
We talked about that, didn't we?
You know what I was going to tell you, which is it was this one, which is actually probably detrimental to me.
What was that down the line to you?
Page one?
Yeah, but comical.
It's comical only because I really hope this doesn't come back on me.
Is that when I first got locked up, like, you know, people in the comments have mentioned this.
They're like, you know, does he have to pay back the money he owes?
I'm like, oh, yeah.
When you convince him about the restitution, right?
Yeah, well, yeah, exactly.
So I got locked up.
While you're locked up, you say you owe $5 million.
Well, I don't even know what restitution means.
Restitution is like how much money are your victims out?
Say you stole money or you stole $10 million.
Yeah, you owe $10 million.
You have to pay back.
Right.
And here's the worst part is that let's say you have 10 different co-defendants and everybody got $600,000.
So you think, okay, everybody owes $600,000.
They don't do it like that.
No.
They say, you owe $6 million.
Every one of you owes $6 million.
You're all paying until it's paid off.
You're like, wait, what if fucking Danny never pays a fucking dime?
Well, then you're going to pay the $6 million.
And you think that's unfair.
And they go, well, fucking tough shit.
You don't have the same rights as a normal citizen anymore.
We can be unfair to you.
You owe $6 million, and everybody's going to pay in until it's all paid off.
We're not going to divvy it up.
But I got $5 million, and he got $2 million.
Doesn't matter.
You're all paying.
So what ends up happening is I ended up having all these co-defendants that didn't get charged.
There's like 15, 16 co-defendants on my, on my uh indictment.
That didn't get that.
That didn't get indicted.
They got indicted as, but they never got charged, they never went through.
I end up with the six million.
So I owe six million.
Well, so and so got 500 000.
So and so got 300, so and so got a million.
Yeah, how are you hitting me with the whole six?
Well you're, you're just, and at the time when you take your plea you're so desperate to try and get a good deal.
I'm not going to complain about money at this point, but as soon as you go to try, as soon as you go to, as soon as you go into prison, first thing they do when you meet your counselor is they say, Okay, well, you have to pay every month or every quarter.
You have to pay, here's how much money you get in, and here's our calculation.
So you're going to be paying $25 every month or $50 a quarter towards your restitution.
You're like $50 towards my $6 million.
And how am I going to pay this?
Well, I don't know.
You're going to have to get a job.
And you go, well, I have a job.
I make $12 a month.
So, I make $12 a month in prison.
In prison, and you want to hit me every quarter for $50 a quarter.
That's everything I made.
Yeah.
And they're like, Yeah, I know.
I mean, I could maybe lower it to $25.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm supposed to work 40 hours a week?
And at the end of the month, I'm supposed to get $6?
Yeah.
You're like, That's ridiculous.
Wow.
What if I need to buy toothpaste?
What if I need to buy, you know, deodorant?
What if you need to buy fucking dangerous shampoo or nail clippers?
Not to mention shower slides or any type of hygiene.
So you're just basic hygiene.
You can't even afford that.
You're just fucked.
Well, you can use the state stuff.
They don't give you shower slides.
Guys are good.
What's amazing is the amount of charity that the other inmates give one another.
Hey, bro, I saw you don't have shower slides.
I got an extra pair.
You can use them until you get some from commissary.
You're like, man, thank you.
You get them.
You go get them.
You bring them back.
No problem.
You know, they'll say, Hey, I got some soups.
I got this.
So you get there, and guys are like, Here's some soup.
Here's this.
Here's that.
They'll like have the Mexicans are the best.
Really?
One Mexican comes in, all of them come in.
They'll walk and they'll have a bag of shit for the other Mexicans.
They like take care of each other.
That's cool.
So, yeah.
So what ends up happening is the first time I go to my counselor, I go into my counselor's office and I walk in.
I mean, keep in mind, I'm just fucking beat.
I mean, I got 20 fucking six years, bro.
I'm just.
Depressed as fuck all.
Your world's crushed.
Furious, angry, bitter.
Get in there and Miss Smalls, was it Miss Smalls?
No, no, Miss Bates was my very first counselor.
And she says, okay, she goes through everything.
Yeah, you got to get a job.
You got to start doing this, start doing that, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, okay.
I'm like, all right, all right.
She's like, and you got to pay restitution.
And I went, well, no, I don't have to pay restitution.
She's, yeah, I'll put you on because you don't have very much money in right now.
So I'm going to hit you for 25 bucks a quarter initially.
She says, then we'll bump it up once you do have a job.
You'll probably get bumped up.
And I went, No, no.
I said, I'm not paying restitution.
She says, No, you have to pay restitution.
She says, If you don't pay restitution, you can't go to commissary.
You can't use the phone.
They start doing all this shit where you're basically trapped in there.
You have no way to do anything.
And I'm like, I just got 20 fucking six years and these motherfuckers are going to cut you off completely from everything.
And you're like, and I went, no, no, I'm not saying I won't pay.
I'm saying I don't have to pay.
She goes, what do you mean?
I said, well, I said, my lawyer made the argument that one, I didn't have to pay the interest on the six million, nor did I have to start making payments until I was released from prison.
And she goes, I've never seen that before.
I said, well, it was a new judge and she said she was going to try it out.
And that was one of the only arguments she won.
So I know it's, I remember specifically, Because she was happy about it.
And I remember thinking, big deal.
I said, but, you know, I'm glad she won it.
And she goes, she looks down and she goes, okay, well, I don't have your file in yet.
So I'm going to check and I'll check your judgment commitment to see if you have to pay it or not.
I said, I know I don't have to pay it.
I said, I can get my transcripts and I'll show you I don't have to pay it.
She goes, okay, well, I'll wait until I get the judgment commitment.
I'll check it out.
I said, okay.
So she goes, I'll call you in next week or I'll take a look at it and we'll talk next week.
Okay.
So she dies.
Oh my God.
A few weeks later.
What are the odds?
She dies.
So I go in.
So three, four, five months later, she dies.
And she wasn't that old.
She was like 50 something, but she's out there smoking all the time.
She literally goes in, does something, comes out, smokes two cigarettes, goes in.
I mean, it was ridiculous.
She shrieked of nicotine.
And to be honest, I think it may have been several months later.
So it was several months.
She never called me in.
And I think it was several months later she died.
So then a few months later, because it was a couple months later, my next team, they call it team, you have to go every six months to team.
So, you go in and I go in and they're like, hey, my name's Mr. Garcia.
I'm your new case manager, or no, you're my new counselor.
And you go in, there's multiple people there.
There's a case manager, there's a unit manager, there's a counselor.
And I go, okay.
And they go, okay, Cox, we noticed that you're not paying your restitution.
I went, right, right.
I said, yeah, I don't have to.
And they go, what do you mean you don't have to?
I said, no, no.
I said, you know, I explained the whole thing, how my lawyer had won.
That's complete bullshit, by the way.
You made it up.
I made it up.
Complete fucking lie.
But I mean, I don't want to pay, I have no money.
And I don't want them to fucking jam me up.
You're selling it.
Yeah.
So I said, no, no, no, this and this.
And they go, okay.
I said, Miss Base checked it out.
And they go, okay.
Keep in mind, my file's right here.
But this is a great thing about the laziness.
The same way I got the fake, the kids' social security numbers issued and all that shit.
The laziness of government work.
The laziness.
Your file is right here.
Open the file.
I'm like, bro, you can check right now.
I said, look at my judgment commitment.
I don't have to.
I dare you to check it.
He goes, no, no, I'll check it out.
I'll let you know.
I said, okay.
So we get up and leave.
So there's three people, three of them there.
None of them can check the file.
I get up and leave.
Six months later, I come back.
Hey, Cox, I know you've been here a year.
You're not paying your judge.
I said, it's new people.
And I go, don't you remember last time I said, I told you about that I don't have to pay my judge, the judgment commitment.
I said, you checked it out.
I said, don't you remember?
And one of the fucking guys there goes, oh, that's right.
I remember him talking about that.
They're like, yeah, yeah.
I said, remember Ms. Bates checked it out?
I don't have to pay.
I said, you were here.
I said, remember we looked at the judgment commitment?
And he goes, yeah, yeah, I do remember.
I do remember that.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, he doesn't have to pay.
He doesn't have to pay.
Oh, okay, okay.
That counselor gets moved.
A new counselor comes in.
Next team.
Same thing.
Boom.
I hit him again.
Okay, well, I'll check it out.
I'll call you next week.
Okay, no problem.
No problem.
Next time.
This goes on for three years.
They then move me to the low.
I get there.
I got a guy named my counselor Smith.
Fat guy.
What a prick.
This guy.
I mean, I told you how the guards get meaner and meaner as you go down.
I go and I sit down and he goes, Okay, so you got what?
You got a holy shit.
He goes, You got 26 years?
He goes, your nuts are going to be hanging down by your knees by the time you get out of here.
You ain't going to see pussy for fucking another.
It's like 20 years.
He said to you.
I'm going, the fuck is this motherfucking fat piece of shit?
I'm looking at him going, how long are you in for at this point?
I've already done four years.
Right.
Okay.
I still got 20 years to go.
I got moved to the low because I was now below 20.
So I'm like 19 years and 10 months.
Yeah.
And I'm like, holy shit.
I mean, just brutal.
And he said, he's like, yeah, hey, what's up with this restitution?
And I went, he goes, you're not paying me restitution?
He goes, why aren't you on?
They call it FRP refusal, where they shut down all your accounts.
You can't buy phone minutes.
You can't do all kinds of shit.
You can't do anything.
Right.
So, and he's like, why aren't you on refusal?
I said, I don't have to pay.
And he goes, no, well, you have to.
I said, no, no.
I said, I explained how we won the argument.
I don't have to pay.
He goes, I've never seen that.
And I went, I said, well, what do you think happened?
I said, do you think that for the past four years, I said, I've been scamming these people and not have to pay?
I said, I've had four counselors look at it.
case managers, I said, and a unit managers, I said, all looking at it.
I said, I don't have to pay.
I go, check it out.
And he goes, I will.
I'll let you know.
So then a few days later, I have to go to see my unit manager.
No, my case manager.
I go into my case manager.
She's mean as a snake.
Her name was Jenkins.
So Miss Jenkins, remember she said, she has, you know, after reading your, she has, after reading your, and I keep in mind I'm still irritated.
I've been irritated for about five years now and depressed.
four years now.
She looked at my, what's called my PSI, and she looks at it and she goes, after looking at your PSI and all this crime, they even had another packet to my PSI.
It's like 50 pages.
It's like, this is your PSI, and we got a fucking supplement.
It's so big.
There's so much fraud.
She goes, she goes, makes me want to hide my wallet.
And I go, why?
And she goes, I go, why?
She goes, for my credit, she goes, hide my credit cards.
My social.
I go, I've never stole anybody's credit cards.
And I go, I'll take your house like that.
And she goes, Well, I think they should have strung you up by the flagpole.
I go, well, thank God you're not in charge of that.
What are we doing?
And she's like, well, I don't know who you were talking to.
So we're bickering.
She goes, why aren't you paying your restitution?
Just then my counselor walks in and I go, ask him.
I said, he checked the file.
I said, I don't have to.
I said, and she goes, why isn't he paying his restitution?
I go, I said, you saw my judgment commitment?
He goes, yeah, yeah, I looked at judgment commitment.
He goes, he doesn't have to pay.
He said, it's weird.
I've never seen it before, but he fucking total lied.
He never looked at shit because I know for a fact it doesn't say that.
Right, because you lied about it.
I've been lying the whole time.
You just put him on the spot.
Yeah, what's he going to say?
It's been a week and I haven't looked.
I'm a lazy shit.
No, he can't say that.
Oh, my God, dude.
He saw it.
I said, I mean, what do you guys think?
You just exploited their laziness.
And he says, yeah, yeah.
He said, yeah, he doesn't have to pay.
He said, he hasn't paid in four years like that.
He said, yeah.
And I said, can you mark my file or something?
Because I have this conversation every six months.
She goes, I'll make a note.
This guy retires two years later.
Next counselor comes in.
I know he's going to catch his name's counselor Carey.
He is a stickler.
He's a total bureaucrat.
He's pulling guys in left and right, redoing their FRP.
Guys are walking out of his office screaming, screaming about how he's raising their FRP.
And I'm thinking, I'm just waiting.
This guy's going to cut your head off.
Never.
No, she's got it in the system.
It's in the system.
Oh, you got so fucking lucky.
The next person, the next person.
I got so fucking lucky.
I didn't get caught until I was in RDAP.
Literally, we're talking about a year before.
What the fuck is RDAP?
The drug program.
They catch it at Grand Prairie, which is like, okay, sorry.
They catch it like.
How many years later?
Like, fucking, like, there was like, I mean, I never paid.
I mean, I made two payments the whole time I was there.
Yeah.
Why?
Why'd you even make two?
I only made two because they caught it.
I was in RDAP and I was going to get kicked out of RDAP.
So I said, look, so when the guy brings me in, he's like, look, man, we can't take the year off you or we can't keep you in the program.
You should pay something.
Unless you start paying.
He goes, now, Cox, he goes, you get in about $300.
Keep in mind, too, keep in mind, understand, I've sold an option at this point.
Remember the option money where I was a part of that option?
For war dogs?
No, no, not for war dogs.
For generation Oxy got so I got a piece of the option.
So I'm getting money sent in, three, four hundred bucks a month, and I'm typing, I'm writing these books and everything.
So I'm getting money sent in.
So I got two, three hundred bucks a month coming in.
Nice.
So he's like, So you're getting a bunch of money coming in.
You can pay a hundred bucks a month.
A hundred bucks a month.
And I'm like, So he's like, Look, so we start arguing.
He wants like 150.
I get him down to like a hundred, and I say, Listen, Let's do this.
I could do it.
I'll do it, but give me some time.
You know what?
This is the guy.
And I told him this.
This is so fucked up.
This lets you know their mentality.
Did you turn the light on?
That fucking ball's fucked up.
Oh, you should see me.
I'll tell you that I got a short in my radio.
I hit my dash and my radio comes on.
I feel like Fonzie.
Oh, wow.
That's crazy.
So he says, so he's sitting there and I go, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I said, my mother sends me money out of her social security stipend.
Every month she makes gets $1,100.
Bargaining with the Compound Guard00:12:18
Complete lie.
I go, $1,100.
I go, and she sends me $300.
I go, so the question I'm asking you is, I go, you're telling me you want my mother to pay $150 towards my restitution every month.
And he goes, that's exactly what I'm telling you.
Tell your mother to pay $150 a month.
And I went, well, okay, I'll.
This guy is heartless.
He's not cutting no brains.
So I said, bro, you've got to at least hold it off for three months.
I said, give me some time.
I mean, and he's like, okay, we'll do it in like October or something.
So then I knew by October I would be able to get out of the program.
And so like the day before I transferred all my money out and put it on like different, like I bought True Links.
I bought Foam.
I bought everything I could.
So when the 150 came, bam, it completely bounced.
There's no money in the account.
There's nothing in ice.
Fucking furious, bro.
They're furious at me.
Call me in.
What are you doing?
And I was like, I mean, there's nothing you can do.
I said, you can't go to commissary.
I said, no, but I've known this is coming.
I loaded up on commissary.
He ordered everything.
Are you in a two-man cell?
Because they'll pull you out of a two-man cell and stick you in the fishbowl.
Like, I'm already in the fishbowl.
And they were like, What the fuck's a fishbowl?
Oh, it's a fucking room about half this size with like 12 guys in it.
Damn.
They're just bunk beds.
Were you really in that or no?
No, I was because I'd gone out of RDAP, so you go in there first.
So it's like, I'm already in the fishbowl.
I already have commissary.
You can shut my commissary off.
There's nothing you can do.
Where do you keep your shit?
Oh, and you've got a locker that's like, 18 inches deep by maybe two feet wide by three feet tall.
Okay.
Your whole life is in there.
Okay.
And then you have like a legal locker.
So I would have a legal locker.
Oh, a separate locker for like transcript court shit?
Right.
It's half the size of your regular locker.
So unless you're like Rossini.
Oh, yeah.
Then you got a whole lot of boxes of fucking shit they're curious about.
Or Deveroli.
Deveroli rented people.
He had people go out and get legal lockers and rented them.
So go there, tell them you want a legal locker.
Like he had like four or five legal lockers.
He's just paying you to rent the locker to keep his stuff in.
And he had boxes under his bed.
Fucking Deborah Rowley.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So here's what I wanted to tell you.
This is, this is, I was at the medium.
This is everybody's all this is like Triana say what was the fucking worst thing you seen what was the worst I said the worst thing I saw I said I was at the medium and he goes yeah,
what was it I said There were a lot of people at the medium that had life sentences so you got some black guy who's six foot two who's got a life sentence worked his way down from the pen he works out all the time He looks like he's on steroids just a genetic freak.
Yeah, and they're Half the guys there look like that.
They're just massive.
Yeah.
They're hard as a rock.
And they look like tree stumps.
They're like.
So I'm in the library, which in the mediums, empty all the time.
None of these guys go in the library.
So I go in there and I'd write or whatever.
So I'm in there one day.
And this, I'm going to say punk because that's what they call them there.
You know, a gay guy or a transgender or whatever.
So you call them punks?
Punks.
So there's a punk in there.
Probably five, 10.
You know, thin braided long hair.
Listen, looks from the outside clothed a woman flipping through a glamour magazine or something like a Cosmo or something, legs crossed, flipping.
I mean, just ridiculous.
So, here I'm sitting there, and you know, he's over there, and this guy walks in the library, and I'm just sitting there doing whatever I'm doing.
There's like five or six guys in the library, it holds like 30 people.
There's like five or six of us, and I'm sitting there, and this guy walks in that you know has never been in the library.
He walks in and you're like, holy shit, look at that guy.
He's massive.
He didn't leave the rec yard.
So, you know, you walk in, he walks in, he walks right up to the punk and he goes, can I talk to you outside?
The punk just flips the magazine.
The guy looks around and goes, baby, please.
Baby, can I please, can I please talk to you outside, please?
And I was like, the fuck did he just say?
Baby, please.
And the punk goes, I don't like the way you talk to me in front of your friends.
And he was, he looks around.
Everybody's like looking down.
He's like, you know, with that same accent.
Oh, yeah, with the, the, the, the twang.
I like the way you talk to him in front of your friends.
And I go, oh, trust me, I've been mocking.
I've been doing the accent the whole time ever since I saw it.
I've been, I've been, I've told this story.
You know, I like the way you talk.
Straight out of that prison break fucking show.
Oh, fucking horrible.
So, and I, I just, the guy's looking around and everybody's looking like you're staring at him.
He look over at you, you look away.
And he's like, baby, baby, please, baby, please talk to me.
I was like, please, baby, please.
And you're like, this is the most humiliating thing I've ever seen.
Oh, my God.
They have a little tiff.
Finally, the punk gets up and goes to walk outside.
While they're walking outside, he goes to put his hand on the guy's arm.
And he goes, I mean, just like a woman would do.
And he goes, oh, he goes, baby, please.
It was so humiliating.
Goes outside.
Five minutes later, the punk comes sashaying back in, sits down.
The big guy comes back in, walks over, and he's like, baby, please, please, please don't be outside.
Please, I'm sorry, baby.
It was the most fucking pathetic thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
I felt horrible for that guy.
Wow.
I mean, seriously.
He broke up with him?
He wants to talk to her for obviously sexual reasons, right?
He's probably what they call a war daddy.
He's protecting the punk.
That's his girlfriend.
He obviously said something fucked up in front of his friends.
The punks upset.
Bro, it's a whole relationship.
Right.
Yeah.
Of course.
This is a whole thing.
It was, I mean, I was just like, this is so bad.
It was so bad.
Goddamn, dude.
How did you get there?
I was like, I can't.
I was just on a yacht a few years ago.
How the fuck did I get here in the library?
This fucked up library.
I was on a yacht in Italy.
What the fuck, dude?
Oh my God, that is horrible.
That's how it changes, right?
Damn, dude.
What a crazy life.
It is.
The mindset in there is so fucked up.
I mean, let me tell you, you get so desensitized.
There's so much violence and people are fighting.
And of course, I'm not involved in it, but you see it everywhere.
Right.
I was in the rec yard one day, right?
I'm standing there waiting because there's like a funnel point.
So everybody's piled up and waiting.
And there was this guy standing right here.
Did I tell you this?
Guy standing right here.
His head's right here.
Another guy, a Mexican guy, comes running up.
He's got a sock.
Well, not a sock.
He's got his belt wrapped around his thing, and it's through a lock.
Yeah.
Like, let me put it right.
If I had a lock and a sock, I'm sorry, if I had a belt and a lock right here, you guys are done.
Oh, it's fucking, oh, yeah.
You guys could be grabbing stuff.
And there's stuff to grab here.
There's nothing there.
Nothing.
You've got nothing to grab, nowhere to go.
This guy runs up, and the lock swings right by my head and hits this guy in the skull.
The guy falls.
Boom.
The guy hits him again.
Boom, he stumbles.
He hits him again, hits him again, hits him again until he falls down.
He stumbles.
He starts to try and stand up again, hits him again.
Why are you standing up?
Anyway, you know what I'm saying?
Just lay down.
The guy's not hit.
This happened.
I'm sitting there and my first thought was, did I get fucking blood on me?
Yeah.
No.
Not this poor guy.
I need to jump in.
You don't jump in.
You jump in.
You go to the fucking shoe.
Right.
You walk away.
If there's a fight, guys don't pile around and watch.
They start walking.
Guards will come in and swarm around everybody and just start grabbing.
You, you, you.
And 15 guys go to the shoe.
I happen to be playing guitar next to the fight.
So, and this guy's bleeding so bad, he actually tries to leave.
And one of the CEOs sees how much he's bleeding and realizes, whoa, whoa, whoa.
He had a white shirt on that was completely like dark red, just filthy dark red from the blood.
Your skull bleeds so much.
Yeah.
It's amazing how much your skull will bleed compared to any other part of your body.
So, that guy, it turned out that guy got beat up over a punk.
So, later on, like, let's say, whatever.
At another time, I'm sitting there, and this is how fucked up you are, you get, is that I remember one time they're screaming, lockdown, lockdown.
Somebody had gotten stabbed in the yard.
There's a guy, a white guy.
In the medium, literally, we're talking about 1,600 guys.
There's maybe 50 white guys.
And 40 of them, 40 of them are there for meth with no teeth.
I mean, who am I going to talk to?
So you can't link up with those guys?
Talking to that, I got nothing in common with these guys.
You know, they say make statements like that motherfucker's a goddamn genius, yeah, best meth I ever had.
Yeah, like, oh, Christ, what am I gonna talk to this guy?
You can't link up with those guys, right?
So, uh, so this guy comes down one day, they're screaming, Lockdown, lockdown.
He comes running up to me and he says, Bro, somebody just got stabbed.
He goes, He's, you know, my, um, uh, you know, my Sully just got stabbed in the fucking rec yard.
I go, Your fucking Sully did, and he goes, I go, Timmy, just ask Timmy, and he goes, then they go.
They're screaming, get in your cells, and we're having this conversation.
People are running around.
I go, So Timmy just got stabbed.
He goes, Yeah, I go.
So you're saying there's a two man room available?
And he goes, Exactly.
He goes, Put in your fucking thing right now.
Cop out and run and put it under the door and then run back to my fucking cell while the cops are screaming at us to get in.
Holy shit!
Timmy's done.
Free room, hell yeah.
Two man room.
Gotta get out of here.
Fucking every man for himself.
It's fucking vicious.
Wow.
Vicious.
Where was the fucking microwave one day?
So we're heating something up and a fucking shank this big fell.
It was taped up under the thing and it just went, and I went, whoa.
I look over at the guy I'm with and he goes, kicks it under the door.
Goes over and tells one of the Mexican guys he goes, shank just fell.
And they're like oh, five of them walk over there like a wall and one guy jumps down, grabs the shank and takes off.
I mean just, it's just ridiculous.
And which one is this?
In the medium or the medium, the medium, like when I went to the what at 20, when I went to the low.
You know it's a different atmosphere.
What's so funny is, like at the medium, I never had any problems.
I had the only problem.
The closest I even came to a problem was I was slamming my door.
The doors are thick and heavy.
Yeah, so i'm walking out.
And just then I walk out and close the door and it would, you know, I let it go and it, even though it didn't slam because it's so heavy, it does go.
You know it's, even if it's moving slow and it hits it, it's loud.
So my next door neighbor one day comes to me and he goes, hey Cox, i'm like, you know, I don't come on, I don't talk to anybody, I have nothing to talk to you guys about.
Um, I talked to maybe three people, the whole compound.
So the guy comes over and he goes, Cox, can I talk to you and I was like uh yeah, do I know you he goes.
Yeah, i'm your next door neighbor.
I went in the unit Yeah, and I went okay, man.
I'm sorry, bro.
I don't know.
He's been running short of your life nine months.
No idea.
So and he goes, listen, I'm taking anger management.
And I thought, no conversation starts well.
There's no good conversation starts off.
I'm taking anger management.
And I thought, okay.
He goes, you've been slamming the door, man.
I don't know if you're doing it on purpose.
And you know, I'm bipolar and I feel like you're maybe you are.
I don't.
He starts having a little fucking melt.
I'm like, I said, bro, if I'm slamming the door and it bothers you, I apologize.
Totally my fault, my bad, i'm gonna take care of that.
I'm gonna slam that door no more.
That was my bad and I apologize for that.
I mean, this guy would kill me really and i'm like big ass dude, how big do you?
The Neighbor Who Ran Short of Time00:02:56
If you're five foot eight, you're big.
Yeah yeah, i'm five six, I don't matter.
Like it could him and four of his buddies.
It's over right right right, it don't matter.
So that I mean literally he.
The problem was I didn't stop slamming the door.
I slammed it, like for the next week or two my selly comes to me on purpose.
No, I just forgot, i'm not thinking, I'm just I'm walking out of my cell, I'm going to work, I'm going to.
I teach GED to a bunch of retards.
Yeah, I mean I teach what?
You listen, I'm teaching prison GED and I'm teaching what's called the skills class.
These are the guys that have taken so taken GED, taken so many hours.
They can't pass the GED.
They give them a pass if they can pass the skills class.
So I'm teaching 40 year old men and 30 year old and 20 year old men how to count, change basic math yeah, Yeah.
They can't do it.
And you go, I don't understand.
You know all the words to Tupac's and dog chain and all these songs, and you can tell me how much money this guy made.
You can tell me the stats for all of these football teams and everything, but you don't know that a quarter, a dime, and a nickel is 40 cents.
And they're like, I don't need to know all that shit.
I'm going back to sell drugs, man.
But you have to count your money.
My hoe counts my money.
My bitch counts my money, yo.
And I'm like, yeah, but.
What if you what if you're what if your bitch counts the money wrong?
I put that pipe on her.
She count that shit right You're like that pipe.
Holy fucking horse.
Oh my God.
Keep in mind too, by this point, I've been engrossed in this whole thing.
Right.
One of the worst moments I had was, I talked about when I went to the low.
Remember when the guy said, you know, you're trying to call your peeps?
Yeah.
I didn't know what the hell he's saying.
I'm standing behind these two black guys.
I hate to use the black guys as the examples, you know what I'm saying?
But it's like 80% of the population.
And they're urban guys, you know?
And I am a typical, you know, white, you know, middle class white guy.
Right.
So, you know, and they're calling you cracker and all this.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm sitting behind these two black guys, and I'm sitting there, and the one guy, they're talking about their case, and the one guy goes, man, how you fall, man?
Shit.
Nigga got a nigga fucked up over two doves and a stack.
Know what I'm saying?
And I thought, I do know what he's saying.
Oh, my God.
I know exactly what he's saying.
Do you know what he's saying?
That's when you realize you're like, I've been in here too long.
Yeah.
Think about what he said.
Two doves.
Yeah, no, yeah, nigga got nigga fucked up over two doves and a stack.
Thousand bucks.
What's a dove?
A kilo.
Two kilo.
Over two cane, right?
Two cane, a thousand bucks.
Two bales.
Oh, birds.
Yeah, birds.
Racial Tensions in Coleman Unit00:10:25
Oh.
Nice.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm like.
Or we call them chickens.
When I, listen, I went, when he said that, I was like, oh, I've got to get out of here.
I have to get out of here.
I know exactly what you're saying.
I know exactly what they're saying.
I'd be great in prison.
I listen to, so we listen to like Gucci movies now.
I would be great in prison.
Prison.
I would be able to, for sure I would be able to communicate very well.
Yeah, I know that, I know that.
I know that lingo.
I listen, I listen to.
They might braid Danny's hair up the first day in there.
I live.
You gotta shave your scalp.
So the wig, so the the mop wig fits bullshit.
I'd be in with them bro, i'd be cool.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't be no punk.
Um listen, it's.
You know, that's the whole thing, that the whole punk thing.
It's just not true.
It's like it's not that it's not true, it's like it's a look, I don't know what it is like at other places, at Coleman, it's not true.
You know what i'm saying?
There's too many gay guys.
Yeah, and and and and, whatever.
Yeah.
It's too available.
There's too many guys doing stuff.
Are there any gay prison guards?
Probably.
Well, there's lots of, like, you know the lesbian prison guards.
You don't necessarily know the gay prison guards.
Because, you know, like, you know, obviously in the women's prisons, like, the prison guards can get away with, like, sexual assault on the prisoners because they're women or whatever.
I'm wondering if there's any, like, dude prison guards.
The only thing I know of is one time we were, uh, I know this guy's got 20 years.
I'm not going to use his name because they're still locked up.
It's fucked up.
Um, And he would be humiliated.
They don't have YouTube in there, do they?
No, but the guards do.
Oh, okay.
And Matt's PO.
Matt's PO does.
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So we had a guy one time, a CEO, who's a new CEO.
He'd just been transferred.
He calls this other guy in to the office.
He walks by, he goes, hey, older guy, what older white guy?
He calls this other white guy in to it with an inmate in to his office.
He goes, hey uh, how long you been here.
He was uh been here a while, been about about three years, about three years.
You know, getting called into Co's office is not good.
It's like you know, guy.
You walk out, guy's like what would you all talk about?
Like like, are you telling on people?
Are you?
Why are you in a kitchen or something?
Why are you?
You, you know yeah, so he's.
So he's like, uh, i've been here about about three years.
And he goes, yeah, he said uh, How old are you?
It's like, about 60.
It's like, whatever his age was.
He's like, and the CEO was probably in his late, probably early 60s.
He's like, yeah.
He goes, well, you work out?
You look like you're in pretty good shape.
He's like, I work out.
I work out.
He's like, yeah, I work out.
He's like, yeah.
And he said, at that point, I started going, the fuck is going on?
He was hitting on him.
This guy's fucking sizing him up.
So he said, it got to the point where they're having a conversation, and then he said, out of the blue, the CEO says, You know, if you're in prison and you have sex with another man, it doesn't make you gay.
And he goes, yeah, it does.
He goes, he goes, no, it doesn't.
It doesn't.
I mean, you're in prison and people do things in prison they wouldn't normally do.
He goes, not me.
Not me.
He said, look, I got to go.
And he walks off.
So he comes and tells me and I go, holy shit.
He's like, yeah, I don't feel good about that.
No, what the fuck?
And I looked at him.
I went, fuck.
So then I'm going.
I talked to my buddy Pete Rossini.
Rossini.
So we're down there and I go, tell him what happened.
He goes, man, listen to this shit.
So he tells us all.
It's me.
Pete and some other guy, and we're talking.
And so Pete looks at me and looks at me, and we're all looking at each other, and I go, Honestly, that may be your get out of jail free card.
Oh, fuck you.
And he goes, What do you mean?
You guys are fucking evil.
He goes, What do you mean?
And I went, I'm just saying, Don't be so quick to turn this guy down.
And he goes, Hey, fuck you.
I go, I'm just saying, Look, what's the big deal?
I said, You give him a reach around.
And Pete goes, Save the sample.
And so he's like, Quit fucking around.
Quit fucking around.
Bro, you got a lot of time.
It's just not looking good.
Your case ain't going well.
You're going to do that whole fucking 20 bit.
You understand?
I'm just saying, what's the big deal?
And what's he say?
Nobody's going to say anything.
I'm not going to judge you because I won't judge you.
He's just furious.
You fucking assholes.
If you could blow the prison guard for save 10 years of your life, would you do it?
I'll do the time.
Would you really?
Are you fucking serious?
I don't know.
Fuck you.
I'm blowing no motherfucker.
Hell to the nose.
I might jack a dude off.
For 10 years.
Blowing a blow job, that's bad.
I don't know if I definitely fucking wouldn't do that.
10 years.
To give a fucking prison guard, to jack off a prison guard to save 10 years of your life, you wouldn't do it?
Rather kill myself.
You wouldn't jack a dude off.
Do you know how many times in prison you'd be like, if I make it to 50 anyway, fuck that.
Big fat Jeffrey Evans.
And the guy that's like him saying he'd rather kill himself, that's the real gay guy.
Hell, I hate this.
Hideous looking female prison guards and guys would be like, Which is never even three years county three years off your sentence.
They're like three years off your sentence which and I'd be like no they go what if nobody had to know I know Dude 20.
Okay 20 years 20 years 20 you what you would if you could if the if God came down from heaven instead of Shane your senses listen wait wait shut up if God shut up.
I gotta know this shit.
Hang on.
No, I'm making it up all right if you're in prison and fucking God comes down from heaven in prison for 20 years.
Okay.
I'm day one.
God comes down and says, Shane, if you jack this guy off, you're a free man.
You don't have to do 20 years.
Not a chance, bro.
No, you're doing 20 years.
You're doing 10 or 20?
You're doing 10 or jack some guy off or you're doing 20?
No.
No, you're doing 20 or you jack off the card.
You walk out the front.
And you walk out.
No time.
Fuck that.
No way.
You're doing 20.
No way.
I'd rather do 20.
I'm saying I'd jack off the prison guard.
I'd walk out of the gate.
I jack off the bomb guard.
Might give him a massage.
It's a lot of time, bro.
Fuck it.
20 years to jack a guy off?
I don't give a fuck.
So, all right.
I can't fucking believe that.
That went left to heart.
No way am I doing it.
No fucking way.
He's a real homophobe.
I'm jacking some dude off.
Oh, listen.
Listen.
At 11 o'clock at night, you know what K2 is?
Yeah.
Okay.
They send you the synthetic weed.
Right.
So you understand?
They send it in there all the time.
Yeah.
Like they'll.
It's just nasty.
Yeah.
They'll dip like the corner of a letter in and somebody mails it in and they know it's actually left.
They peel it off and they got to die off of that shit.
Oh, God.
They get mad at you all the time.
They strip their clothes.
Guys will strip their clothes off, think they're on fire, run around.
Really?
Run naked across the compound.
Holy shit.
The guards will surround them.
And they're like, and they're like, you know, and then they'll have to jump on some naked guy.
Or guys will smoke it in the fucking bathroom at 11 o'clock at night.
And next thing you know, they're screaming or they're out on.
This happens all the time.
Oh, yeah.
I heard a guy just tell me about it.
He said he was in there.
He said there was three of them in there.
They got some K2.
He said one guy hit it, hit it one time.
Fell back on the floor boom passed out He said the next guy grabbed the joint out of the hand that passed out hit it boom passed out And then the guard comes in and says he thinks he knocked the two guys out in the fight said what the fuck you fighting these guys and then he sees the joint in one's dude and he's like did you smoke that shit?
He's like am I laying on the ground?
He said hell no so the guys just smoked two of them.
It's like embalming fluid on it and all sorts of shit.
Yeah, he almost died and they'll tell you like that they've taken guys to hospital They fucking got them on record Yeah, he said they were in there for like 20 days.
Laying in bed, fucking screaming and hollering.
They're on fire.
That shit's nasty.
You're like, I'm trying to fucking sleep.
You got that shit.
That shit's nasty.
And you know you got the same badge he got.
And then you go immediately go in the bathroom and smoke your shit.
Because that's the good shit.
The guy's on fire.
Oh, that must be the shit.
You want to be on fire.
I want to be on fire.
Hell no.
I don't want to be on fire, dog.
I'm just chilling.
No way.
But like at 11 o'clock at night, you go in the bathroom, right?
It's going down.
And it's like Sodom and Gomorrah going down.
I mean, God, there's.
There'll be a couple of punks in there with a fucking couple of guys.
It's like what going down?
Sodom and Gomorrah.
What is Sodom and Gomorrah?
It's just they're having sex with each other.
What is that reference?
It's the Bible.
It's Sodom and Gomorrah.
It's, you know.
It's Sodom and Gomorrah.
Yeah, it's the city of what?
Sodom and Gomorrah was a city.
You know what this is?
I've heard of it before.
Yeah, it was just a city.
It was just so bad.
It was just such a there's just sin everywhere.
Yeah, they're saying there's homosexuality.
There's all this.
There's just everything.
It's so bad that God fucking wipes the whole thing.
He wipes the whole thing off the face of the earth.
It's just sodomy.
So it's just such a horrible city.
It just wipes it off the face of the earth.
And I forget who the two people are that leave.
And the woman, they say, God says, leave and don't look back.
And the woman looks back and she turns into a pillar of salt.
Sodom and Gomorrah.
Did you read the Bible in prison?
No.
It's not that I have a problem.
It's not that I don't believe.
I want to believe.
It's comforting.
The problem is I have an issue with just organized religion.
Yeah, yeah.
So you're going to be Jewish.
You're going to.
That would make me want to read it.
He's Christian.
Yeah, but so which Bible do you read?
Is it the Quran?
Is it the Bible?
Which Bible is it?
I would have read them all.
Stop.
I mean, I can't imagine that there's somebody saying, oh, sorry, you're Baptist.
You're not going to heaven.
You're Catholic.
Come on, stop, bro.
I figure you're a good person.
You're trying to do good things.
I've already crossed that line.
It's no both for me.
How many reptilians run the whole world anyway?
I mean, how many people that are like hardcore Christians or Catholics have actually read that?
Read the whole Bible, I doubt.
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Oh, in prison, a ton of them.
Really?
Yeah.
In prison, they read them all the time.
Oh, I didn't tell you this.
This is funny.
So at the medium, I never have a problem.
I never have an issue with anybody, really.
I have a couple of close calls where it could have gone bad.
Nothing ever happened.
It's good.
I'm good.
I was teaching the real estate class, too.
So everybody thinks they're going to start, get out and flip houses.
So I'm either selling certificates and people are happy, or I'm teaching the real estate class and everybody's like, man, that dude's a beast.
He's fucking good at real estate.
I'm going to get out and make a bunch of money.
Hey, Cox, man, I appreciate it.
Good class.
Guys are shaking my hand when they're leaving class.
It was bizarre.
Like I changed their lives.
And I would get up there and I would explain how, look, drug dealers really have a leg up on flipping houses because they'll knock on doors.
They're hustlers.
They're hustlers.
Yeah, we talked about that.
So I'm fine.
When I go to the low, I get in there.
And I mean, I'm not there, but I'm in there a few months.
And this black guy, six foot six black guy, comes up to me one day.
In my cell, I'm sitting there and I'm writing.
Comes up to me and he says, hey, I go, yeah, what's up?
And he goes, this is how this is going to work, bro.
You give me $50 in commissary every month.
He goes, every month, you ain't going to have no problems.
And I go, yeah?
He goes, yeah.
I go, 50?
He goes, 50.
I go, that could probably swing 50.
So he's got to be 50.
And he goes, yeah, it's got to be 50.
I said, all right, you got a list or something?
A list of what?
A list of commissary items I have to buy.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So he's kind of like, It's going better than he thought.
Big guy.
Killed me.
He'd beat me like a small child if he had to.
I mean, he was just six foot six.
Been working out 10 years probably.
I mean, it was ridiculous.
And I'm sitting down.
I'm still just like, all right.
I said, well, you're going to give me a list or what?
And he goes, yeah, I'll get you.
I'm going to get you a list.
He goes, you going to get it?
And I went, yeah, I'm going to get it.
I got you.
I got you.
I said, dude, do me a favor.
Write your name and reg number down, though.
What cell you're in.
And he goes, What do you need that for?
I said, well, I need to know where you're at so I can bring you the stuff and everything.
He goes, yeah?
And I said, yeah, make sure you write it all down.
He goes, yeah, all right, all right.
So make sure your reg numbers and your real names on it, too.
And he goes, why?
He goes, what do you need that for?
I said, so when I bring it to the fucking counselor and I give him the list that you just gave me and I tell him, hey, what am I supposed to do with this?
I said, I want to make sure that when we call you, we can get you right in the office so we can talk about this.
And he goes, Oh, that's how it is?
I said, that's how it fucking is.
I said, if I just did three years in the fucking medium, I didn't have any problems.
I said, do you think I'm coming to the fucking low?
I'm going to pay you $50.
Oh, this was in the low?
This is in the low.
Oh, my God.
I'm going to get shook down.
No wonder you're so cocky.
Yeah, I go, I'm going to get shook down to the fucking low.
Yeah.
And he goes, oh, that's how it is?
I said, yeah.
I said, let me explain something.
I go, this is a fucking protective custody prison.
I said, so everybody here is a fucking snitcher or a chomo.
I said, there's maybe four or five guys in each unit.
And those are the guys that went to trial that didn't cooperate.
I said, no offense.
I said, you didn't go to trial.
I said, I'm thinking you didn't go to trial.
And if you did, then you don't want to fuck with a guy like me.
I said, because I'll fucking rat you out like that.
I said, I'm not paying you shit.
I said, are we all good here?
He goes, you're going to have problems.
I said, motherfucker, I've had problems my whole life.
My whole life's been a problem.
I said, I don't give a shit.
And I sat there, and I'm being loud too.
So people are looking.
So now he's looking.
And he goes, all right, we'll see.
We'll see.
I said, all right.
He walks off.
What the fuck was he in there for, you think?
Oh, I think he was drugs.
He had a life sentence.
I find out later, he's gone back to court like six times in the last five or six years.
Oh, shit.
Cooperating, cracking people off.
Yeah.
Testifying, bam, bam.
He went from life down to like 15 years or something.
He's down to, he's got like eight or so.
That guy's not fucking up at all.
No, he can't.
Right.
But he saw me and he thought, soft, white, cracker.
Right.
Easy.
Easy mark.
Yeah.
So here's what's funny about this.
It's like, so I'm walking by him and stuff, and I would see him, and he would just kind of walk by me, and, you know, whatever, bro.
So, and I'm not fucking with a guy.
I mean, he's still, he'd kill me.
Right.
So, you know, I'm avoiding him.
But we're in the same unit.
So let's say his name is B.
Okay.
I forget what his name was, though.
So one day, my selly goes to the drug program.
I'm in a two man room and I'm on the top bunk.
I'm supposed to move to the bottom bunk.
Well, this other guy, they called him Rambo.
He was a fat, fat Puerto Rican guy that was loud, screamed all the time.
Yo, this Rambo.
Yeah, he had a cane.
And so he basically, you don't just move in someone's cell.
You go and you say, hey, look, man, I know your bed's coming available.
I'd like to move in.
You know, can we, you know, because it's a dickhead move and it could be a real problem, you know, especially with races and stuff, different races.
That's not really an issue at Coleman so much.
It is, but it isn't.
People like to act like it is, but nobody's probably going to do anything.
Yeah.
But you want to have somebody, you want to be, you don't want an attention, a tense situation.
So I come back from the rec yard one day.
My cellie had left the night, the day before.
This guy Rambo's in the bottom bunk.
They're moving all this stuff in, in my cell.
And it's not your cell.
You know, it is my cell, but it's not my cell.
I've been there.
Yeah.
It's the BOP cell, you know?
Yeah.
But you get, you know, you follow the kind of the rules, right?
So, and I'm like, what the fuck?
So one of the guys turns around.
He's like, hey, man, he moved in.
He doesn't even speak English.
So another guy, Puerto Rican guy is helping him out.
They're like, hey, man, Cox, he moving in.
And I'm like, oh, that's bullshit.
Because another guy was supposed to move in.
And he's like, he's got a cane.
He's the bottom bunk.
And I was supposed to move the bottom bunk.
Right.
And I'm stuck on the top.
This fat fucker just, just.
Uh me over.
Why is the bottom bunk so much better?
Because you don't have to climb up on this.
You know.
You're not, i'm not 12, you know.
I mean, it's comfortable.
You got to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
You got to climb down, you got to climb back up, you got it.
It's just, it's just a pain in the ass okay um, that's the main reason, though.
Oh yeah yeah, so i'm just like, so i'm furious, and they know i'm furious, but they're like yeah him, what's he gonna do?
Right, you know?
And i'm like okay okay, so I walk into the, the white tv room, you get the, you got the, the main tv room.
It's like, basically like the black TV room.
Then you got the Hispanic TV room.
Because there's a little tiny room, which is the Hispanic TV room.
And then you've got the white TV room, which is a little tiny room too.
And you got the big room, which is the black TV room.
It's crazy that they all segregate like that.
Yeah.
And here's the funny thing.
They self-segregate.
Like literally, they do it themselves.
Right.
So I go in the white TV room and I'm like, fuck, motherfucker.
I start, you know, I bitch in there like, what's going on?
So this is a biker dude that's in there.
He goes, bro, I'm leaving in like a month.
His selly is a sex offender they call creature.
This guy never bathed.
He's got like a pentagram.
He's a completely just disgusting guy.
And like they're everywhere.
They push him around.
People are vicious to him.
I mean, and he's timid and scared and everything.
So the guy's name was Danny.
Danny goes, fuck.
He said, well, I'm leaving.
You can move into my place.
And then I was like, man, I'm not staying.
Who's his name was Danny?
Creature?
No, no.
The biker.
The biker.
Okay.
He goes, Cox, you can move in my place.
I said, man, I don't want to be in that fucking cell one day.
And I was like, fuck!
I'm trying to figure out how to.
I'm so fucking furious about this.
So I go, you know what?
I said, let's go talk to Creature.
I said, maybe Creature will switch with me.
So we go over and say, hey, Creature, listen, would you mind switching cells?
I said, I have an issue with this guy.
He doesn't speak English.
We've had a couple of issues before.
Now I'm in the cell with him.
He's like, oh, I really, he's got glasses.
He's like, I really want to stay here.
I like staying here.
I'm going to stay here.
And I'm like, Creature, this is a real issue for me.
I really need you.
I said, look, I'm willing to get you.
I'll get you $20 in commissary.
I said, I'm not like these other guys, bro.
I'll pay you.
You know I'm good for it.
I'm not going to fuck you over.
And he's like, yeah, I think I'll stay.
I'll stay.
And then Danny goes, Creature, he said, you know, before I came here, guys were really mean to you, right?
And he's like, yeah, yeah.
He said, but I don't really let them be mean to you now, right?
He's like, yeah.
He said, well, I can't guarantee it's not going to get really bad for you unless you move.
And I go, whoa, I said, Creature, I don't know what he's saying.
That's not what's happening here.
And he's looking at me like, what?
I'm like, nobody's, it's totally up to you.
So he's like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I said, Look, $30 in commissary.
And he goes, Okay, I'll do it for $30 in commissary.
So we go and we swap.
We go in, get the counselor, sign the paperwork, do everything, swap fucking beds while this guy's asleep.
Who the reporter is?
Rambo's asleep.
Yeah, Rambo's asleep.
Taking a nap in the middle of the day.
We switch beds.
So we get the dolly, we switch the fucking lockers.
And when I go to put Creature's locker in, I slam it, bam!
Then he, whoa!
Rambo wakes up, what's going on?
What's going on?
And I go, have fun with your new, you know, with your new selly.
Turn around, I walk out.
With the fucking creature.
All of the Puerto Rican guys rush into the cell, and they're like, all of a sudden I hear he's looking around, like, what's going on?
They're all like laughing at him.
And all of a sudden he goes, the chomo!
And they all fucking burst out laughing.
Who?
Creature said that?
No, the fucking Puerto Rican guy.
Rambo said that.
Realizing I just stuck the chomo in.
What do you think?
So he's furious that other Puerto Ricans are like, they're like, fuck you.
So now you're in with the biker.
Oh, yeah, I'm in with the biker, which was a really good guy.
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Yeah.
And he left like a month later, and I moved down to the rent.
So, but what's so funny is that two weeks later, he goes, two weeks later, I see the tall, the tall black guy that tried to shake me down.
Yeah.
Walk, I'm walking, no, not two, did I say two weeks?
Like two days later.
Two days later.
So I'm walking down the hallway.
What's time when you're in for so long?
Yeah.
But I'm walking down the hallway, and he goes, Cox, Cox.
And I look up at him, I go, I'm thinking, ah, fuck.
I go, yeah, what's up?
And he goes, that shit you did with, he said, what creature?
And I go, yeah.
He goes, it was a veteran move, bro.
It was a fucking veteran move.
He goes, nice job.
He liked that?
Nice job.
And I go, yeah.
He goes, nice.
After that, talking to me all the time.
Really?
He asks, what's going on, man?
What's up?
I'm like, what's up?
He said you had an angle on that move and you made it go.
That was just great.
That's hilarious, man.
It's funny because he's the guy, And when Trump won, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, it's fucking what was it like in there with the fucking morning Trump won?
Because up until then, it was you know, these guys they're delusional.
They think, are they all talking about like the whole the whole fucking presidential race?
They're all watching on TV, right?
Huge into politics, yeah.
Um, and it's basically split like just like you'd think it would be split, yeah.
The Mexicans and the blacks love Hillary Clinton, all the white guys, all the white guys love Trump, right?
You know, and I'm sitting there going, he's never gonna win.
He's not going to win.
And you got to be, oh, you'll see, you'll see.
I'm like, you're fucking crazy.
That's insane.
What did you think?
I didn't think he was going to win.
There's no way he was going to win.
Did you like him?
You know, here's the problem with Trump I have no problem with Trump's policies.
I don't have an issue with his policies at all.
What I have an issue is that it's like, stop talking.
Yeah.
Stop saying stupid shit.
Yeah.
Stop saying fucked up shit.
All you've got to do is read the speech.
You could go down as an amazing president.
You enter into the White House when the economy is on an upswing.
It looks like you've done amazing things.
You can't fuck this up unless you keep saying stupid shit.
Read the.
Just read the.
You can't even read.
All you have to do is.
You can't even read.
Yeah, but I'm saying read the speeches.
Just read the speeches.
Yeah.
Make it a short, very simple speech.
Don't say anything.
Don't deviate.
Yeah, he can't not deviate.
And yeah, because it's narcissism.
Yeah, of course.
And he's got this huge following.
Fucking massive ego.
Yeah, it's ego.
Oh, yeah.
So he's insane.
And so all the black guys are all there.
They love Hillary Clinton.
Like, she's going to set him free.
She's going to set him free.
Why?
Because she was the opposite of Trump, right?
Right.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
It was like Trump or Hillary.
It's just, it's like Obama didn't do all these things that you guys thought they were going to do.
Hillary's not.
Her husband built more prisons than anybody.
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Right.
They profited off of them.
Tons of prisons.
Yeah.
So I'm like, at least Trump is, it's money about, for Trump, it's about money.
If it doesn't make economic sense, he's going to make a decision.
You know, it's based on.
He's all about the money.
Yeah.
So I'm like, you might have a shot of getting something with, listen, I actually got time knocked off my sentence because of one of the bills that he passed.
It wasn't a lot of time.
It was like 11 days.
It was supposed to be like, like, 70 60 or 70 days.
I forget the exact number, but I had already by the time it passed, I'd already been past that point.
So they just let me out a week early.
Oh, but a lot of guys got years off from Trump.
Yeah, Pete got like a year off his sentence.
Really?
What was the bill?
The bill was that the BOP, technically, you get 15% off your sentence for gain time, right?
But the BOP calculate it should be 54 days a year, but the BOP has a way of calculating so that it's only 47 days.
So you end up getting.
you end up losing a week of good time every year.
Pete, 20 years.
So what's it?
Pete's got 20 years, or he's got, what is it, 20 times, you know, seven.
So it's not, it's got, he's got six months, six months of his sentence was knocked off, not a year.
Yeah.
Right.
So, yeah, actually he's more than, he's got 23 years.
So, whatever that comes, basically it's six months.
He got six months knocked off.
So, I don't have an issue with his policies.
I just think he's, he's just a blow, you know, he's just a blow hard.
Yeah.
You know, it's, you know, it's too bad.
But, yeah, he's wild as hell.
But what's so funny about it is, that it was all energy everybody was.
They were all pumped up.
You got everybody fired up.
They were no, i'm saying before the, before the before the thing, before the before you got elected, during the, during the election, during the election yeah, during the election.
Then the next morning it looks like he's doing well and I go to bed.
I was doing well, it's not gonna, it's not gonna happen.
Yeah, I go to bed.
I wake up the next morning.
I'm walking, i'm going to get my coffee, i'm walking through the hallway and everybody's so quiet.
Yeah, I hear a bunch of guys up too and they're just like Grumbling.
I'm like what?
I see this fucking guy go hey, hey man.
He's like yeah, what's up Cox?
I go man who won the who in who won and he goes man fuck you you know that cracker won that shit man man.
I go I start laughing.
I go are you serious and he goes man you fucking with I said oh my god He won.
I said oh I said oh you're done bro You guys are all there you fuck you Cox because they're all telling Stop making jokes.
So what's so funny is like after that, this is like, remember this guy was standing up?
Yeah.
So one day I come walking up.
This is like fucking four or five months later.
I go walking up to get some water and the guy's bent over drinking water out of the water fountain.
I come walking up behind him.
He goes, hey, hey, hey, Cox.
He goes, I don't like a white man coming up on me like that from behind when I'm drinking water.
Joking around, right?
And I looked at him.
I said, listen, bro, I said, don't worry.
Another year of Trump, you're going to have your own water fountain.
Oh, my God.
He goes, oh.
You should have seen him.
He was like, oh, my God.
I was like, Nice, right?
Oh my god.
Motherfucker.
He just walked off like, fuck.
Oh my god.
You think Trump will get re-elected?
Nowadays, you'll get fucking kicked off every social media platform for saying some shit like that.
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Oh my god.
Who knows?
It's insane.
I'm just shocked.
I'm shocked that he's made it this long.
Saying the stuff that he said, the things that he said.
Do you keep up with it?
I barely keep up with it.
Me neither, yeah.
It's such a distraction.
When I was in prison, everybody is reading every single thing.
Right, you have all the time in the world.
Right.
So you don't even have to read anything.
Everybody will tell you what's going on.
Right.
This is what happened in this and this and this.
And what's amazing to me was the guys that were actually predicting that he was going to win and then he won.
And they were just like were they betting on it in there?
Oh, they bet on it.
Hell yeah, right?
They're betting for sure.
The only time I ever bet was on the Casey Anthony trial.
Did she get convicted?
No.
I bet because the odds were really I bet that she would get the highest odds was that she would get let go.
Yeah, let go.
Yeah, yeah.
You could bet, you know, guys were taking soup.
So I bet one soup.
I said, boom, she's getting off.
And they were like, you're fucking crazy.
I said, yeah, all right, we'll see.
That crazy ass bitch got off.
I saw that opening scene.
And when I saw the opening argument or whatever you call when they first start, and that guy said, when the lawyer, Jose Baez said, she could be having her father's penis in her mouth at 7 o'clock.
And by 8.30, she was playing with her friends in the playground at school, I thought.
That was her lawyer, right?
It was her lawyer said that.
He was like, you have to understand where her mind's at.
She's being molested or whatever.
And when he said that, I was like, holy shit.
I couldn't believe he said it.
Just blatant like that.
I was like, oh, this dude's going to pull something off.
Anybody who's going to pull something crazy.
He's willing to go way in.
He stretched it to the farthest.
He's going to blame everything on the father.
Holy shit.
And then she gets off.
I was like, holy shit.
That's fine.
But she did it, right?
Everybody knows she did that shit.
I'm sure she did.
God damn.
Um right you, sometimes you get that lawyer that pushes like that uh, who was OJ'S lawyer?
Johnny Cochran, Johnny Cochran, you get that Johnny Cochran in there.
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Once in a while man, you get lucky.
Um yeah, I think I won like 10 or 11 uh, soups on that bathroom.
It was really high.
I was like well, I mean, it's a soup.
I could i'm, you know soup, but a soup's a lot in there.
Soup's a soup.
Yeah anything's, anything's free.
I could go for a soup right now, soup sandwich.
I, you know everybody complains about those.
Uh uh, those ramen soup.
Those ramen, they're awesome.
Yeah, I love ramen soup.
So, like, there's all these guys that are locked up, right?
That, you know, look, first of all, you're in a prison where almost everybody cooperated or they cooperated or they're sex offenders, right?
But you got these guys that will show up, and of course, they're like, you know, I didn't fucking cooperate against nobody, you know, and they're walking around calling everybody a fucking snitches and fucking child.
Because they're going to trial.
Huh?
Well, no.
They didn't even go to trial.
So, you didn't go to trial.
You ended up here.
You didn't go to trial, but you didn't cooperate.
Well, that doesn't really make sense.
Statistically, it doesn't make sense.
I mean, maybe there's one or two of those guys, but the fact that you're also a.
A six foot tall white guy that's tatted up, and you got 15 years, and you didn't go to trial, but you got it, just doesn't make sense.
You know what I'm saying?
Why wouldn't they have sent you someplace closer to your house?
all these prisons that are closer to your house, why would they send you across the country?
They sent you across the country from fucking California here.
You cooperated.
You can't go to a California prison.
Yeah.
You know, there's guys that you cooperate.
It'll get around.
You don't have the correct paperwork.
So they send you to a prison where you can't get your paperwork in.
Everybody at Coleman will say, oh, yeah, I can't get my PSI.
Your PSI basically tells whether you cooperated.
Yeah.
So they're like, yeah, when you get there, if it's a real, like a tough prison, they go, man, listen, you got about two weeks to get your paperwork in.
And then everybody kind of is standoffish.
They don't, they're not.
Judging you, yet right, waiting for your paperwork come in.
And i've changed people's paperwork, like I mean, when I was at the I had access to a computer and a printer when I was at the Medium and I had guys that would come to me and be like listen man uh, you know this guy, he such and such is a good guy, his paperwork's up though his psi.
I mean, I know you do documents and you got a fine arts degree.
Yeah, you got a fine and I, they all know that.
Yeah, and I go, I go uh, give me his psi, and I Look, we'd look through, they, he'd go, it's this page right here, and then the last page.
I go, all right, so I'd match up the font, I'd retype the thing, I'd paste it on, I'd paste it over it, I'd go make a copy of it, I'd copy all the pages so they all look the same.
And we'd change the last page, whole thing, give it back to them, boom.
Here's what's up.
I did that maybe three or four times in the medium for guys.
I had this one guy that was a Mexican who's half Mexican, half Puerto Rican, and the Mexicans were giving him a hard time because they don't like the Puerto Ricans, so they're already pit, they already don't like them, yeah.
And he can't provide his paperwork.
So when I give him the paperwork, I say, look, wait till they ask you again.
Tell them you got it in a couple days ago.
Tell them you're going to show one or two of the shot callers and you don't want to hear about it again.
I said, you see what I'm saying?
Don't be passing around.
Don't be stupid about it.
Like you're flaunting it.
People will get suspicious if you're flaunting it.
You don't want to show it because there's a lot of snitches here.
You know what I'm saying?
I said, be reasonable, just like the other guys would be.
They don't want to show everybody their paperwork.
Somebody will jump on their case.
Right.
And he goes, okay, okay, okay.
So, a couple days later, guys are like, and you ever get your paperwork in?
He's like, yeah, man, I got it.
I'm going to show it to you, but I'm going to show it to everybody.
I'll show it to you, this shot caller, and this guy, and the guy who's running this unit.
And that's it, man.
Y'all vouch for me.
That's it.
I ain't showing it to fucking 50 people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They go in, they look at it, they check it out.
He's good.
That's it.
Man, a month later, I walk in, and he's standing there with a bunch of the Mexicans that were basically shunning him before.
And as I walk by, I hear him say, man, we're going to have to see that motherfucker's paperwork, man.
I think it's about you.
No, about somebody else.
About somebody else.
Yeah.
He's like, Yeah, that mother, some new guy.
He's like, Yeah, I want to see his paperwork.
I don't think he's no good.
I don't think he's no good.
I look over at him and he looks at me.
He's like, Looks at the ground like, fuck.
And I was just thinking, You fucking piece of shit.
What?
So now your paperwork's no good and I just got you good paperwork and now you're going around asking for people's paperwork.
You're just a fucking hypocrite piece of shit.
He was a scared kid that I thought I was helping out.
Yeah.
Now you're just a scumbag.
I figured I'm going to do it because I feel bad for him and I figure the next guy, maybe he helps out.
And he didn't help him out, he's ready to jump right in the car with everybody.
People are savages, dude though right, I mean, you don't have to be.
He was.
He was an advocate for the paperwork right right, right.
But what's so funny is so you get to the low, it's the same thing.
They're still asking.
People are asking for paperwork, but you it's hard to get your paperwork sent in, like guys will say.
I tried to get sent in, it came through legal, they turned it down and it is very it's difficult.
I've had my psi sent.
My psi was sent in twice.
My PSI looks good.
Like it doesn't say anything about cooperation or anything.
It's actually, it's amazing how good it looks.
And I would get it and guys would come to me and go, yo, Cox, man, you just got here and we heard some shit and I'm going to need to see your paperwork.
I'm like, oh, okay, I'll show you my PSI.
And I go, here, come here.
And I show it and they look through it and I go, okay.
You had no one to cooperate against.
Huh?
You had no one to cooperate against?
No, I cooperated against everybody.
For some reason, it wasn't in my PSI because the last page is what they're mostly concerned about.
And it says, like, did he get a 5K1 or has he got a Rule 35 coming?
I don't have anything like that.
So it looks good to them.
They're not going to read fucking 50 pages of documents.
So they're like, he's like, all right, all right.
I go, see, yeah, it says, yeah, it says I didn't cooperate.
I said, but let me go ahead and let you in on something, bro.
I cooperated against every motherfucker I could think of.
It's just not, it doesn't happen to be in here.
Doesn't mean that I didn't do it.
Doesn't mean that I don't want out of this fucking place.
I said, and it doesn't mean that I said any of this means shit.
Right.
I said, so I don't want to let you in on something.
I said, my paperwork looks good, but I said I'm not good.
And he was like, the fuck?
Nobody ever says that right now.
No.
And by that point, I already know.
There have been articles that say I was cooperating that when I was in the medium.
So all he's got to do is ask somebody.
It's already getting around.
So for me to sit there and say, you know, for me to sit there and go, yeah, man, yeah, I'm good, I'm good, he's going to get an article in any day now.
So I'm like, so it's all bad.
I said, you can have people look on the internet.
It's all bad.
And he's like, that's fucked up.
I said, it is fucked up.
So we're not going to be friends.
And I feel bad about that because you seem like a nice guy.
And I get up and walk away and they're like, motherfucker, what are you going to do?
Yeah.
What can you do?
Fuck you.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm give a shit.
Right.
I didn't come here to make friends.
Right.
Exactly.
So you're trying to get the fuck out of there.
Right.
I want fucking out.
Right.
20, 30.
Right.
I'm not here to fucking be in prison right now.
Right.
So here's what's funny is so some of these guys are, you know, the site statistically it doesn't make sense, Danny, that you're here on a meth case and you got 15 years when you've been in prison four times and you keep telling everybody that you were caught with this much meth.
And the people cooperated against you.
You should have a life sentence.
Maybe 30 years.
So you're snitching.
But you got 15.
And you got a good story.
Nobody wants to question it because you're a tough guy.
You're six foot tall.
You work out all the time.
You're covered in tats.
You've been to state prison twice.
You've been to this one guy I know.
Should I say his name?
Anyway.
What could leave that blank?
Ellis Cook.
Anyway.
What a fucking dick.
Ding dong.
So.
He fucking you know he walks around like he's a badass right and he's a badass beat me to a fucking pulp But then that doesn't you don't have to be that bad of a guy a bad of a badass He did or he could no he could I mean he's a he's a he's been a state prison multiple times motherfuckers,
you know He's like fucking probably close to like 5'10 5'11 I say six foot he's probably 5'10 5'11 but works out all the time white guy meth at meth dealer so And he's been to state prison multiple times.
So what I'm saying is he and I constantly went back and forth, bickering, fighting, this and that, you know, talking shit to each other.
In the low?
In the low.
And so in the white TV room, you know, like he wants to watch this program.
All he wants to do is watch fucking fishing and that gold rush and just all fucking just horrible programming and like State Troopers Alaska.
It's like, ah, he's just a fucking memory.
He's just like hillbilly.
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I can't watch all this fucking.
Fishing shit.
You're not even allowed to have a gun.
Why are you watching this show about guns?
You can't have a gun.
I want whatever.
You can't have Matt.
So, I used to watch Walking Dead all the time, right?
Did you really?
Only thing I ever watched.
Show's so bad.
I love that show.
So corny.
Everybody loves that show.
That's like me saying that football is stupid.
I don't like football, but I have to admit, clearly there's something.
I couldn't take the fucking show seriously.
It's just too fucking corny.
You couldn't take it seriously?
The fucking Rick, Carl, oh, Carl.
The fucking Walkers.
It was so cheesy, dude.
Dude, it was so fucking lame.
Anyways, we can get past our differences there.
It comes on like every three months, and then every three months, and every three months.
So this guy comes in, and we watched it three months, and then three months later, we watch it again.
Three months later, we're watching it again.
Well, the next time it comes on, there's something called Broken Skull Ranch that's going to be on basically about the same time.
And so Walking Dead's coming up, and they're making a schedule.
I go, Walking Dead's on Sunday.
And Cook goes, Bro, we ain't watching that shit.
We're watching Broken Skull Ranch.
And I go, That's with Stone Cold, right?
Yeah.
Is that really?
That Stone Cold show?
That's probably his idol.
I love that you know that.
And I go, Stone Cold's his shit.
Stone Cold rules, but I ain't watching fucking Broken Skull Ranch type shit.
So I go, No, we're not.
We're not watching that.
And he goes, yeah, we are.
And I go, no, we're not.
And he goes, yeah, we are, bro.
And I go, no, we're not because I've been here fucking seven goddamn fuck, or, you know, five fucking years and you just got here.
And we've been watching this for five years.
I said, we're going to keep watching it.
And he goes, yeah, we'll fucking see, bro.
We'll see on Sunday when that shit ain't on.
I go, okay, we'll fucking see.
I said, well, be here with your fucking boots on, motherfucker.
He goes, I'll beat your ass.
I said, maybe you'll beat my ass.
Maybe it don't go your way.
And he goes, fuck you.
I'm fuck you.
I get up and walk out.
He's going to kill me.
So you're just hoping you scared him.
Oh, this goes back and forth.
There's always the fear of it doesn't matter whether there's a fight or not.
We're both going to shoe.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
We both lose.
Yeah, we're both losing.
So next day, we have another bickering argument.
Next day, it's more all day.
Sunday comes.
It's on Sunday night.
It's all day long.
It's D Day.
I got my fucking boots on.
Like, I'm really like, you ready to get your ass kicked?
I'm ready to fucking go.
I'm actually not going to go.
Not gonna go.
I mean like if he stood up and I just storm off, i'm not gonna get.
But I can't let him know that i'll play it up.
I'll play it right up, the right up to the last second.
I'll stand up like what the?
I'm just talking bro, you can turn, you know, I don't walk off, i'll just with you.
So we're going back and forth back and guys are like bro, he ain't around, he's not, he's.
He's telling everybody he's a.
And i'm telling all these guys that watch, Walking DEAD, we're all going in there.
They're like, so you're telling me that if all 15 of us go in there, you're gonna turn the channel.
You're goddamn right, I am.
They're like, goddamn Cox, you're serious, I go bring your boots.
Bro, I'm not doing nothing.
But so he comes to me one day.
So one day.
So one day.
So like an hour before walking dead.
We're in there Watch it, you know just watching TV sitting he We're sitting there and waiting and waiting.
He's in there, too.
Oh, we're both in there.
Oh, you're both in there.
It's an hour away though.
I'm posted up all day shit talking note nothing going back and forth nothing really at that moment and he says oh by the way and I go to get up to go get some food to bring start bringing my food and shit popcorn Pac, of course.
So I go to get my stuff and he gets up too and we're both getting up and he goes, he said, oh, I see you.
He makes it making comment.
I see you got your boots on.
I'm like, don't even fucking worry about my boots, bro.
Don't fucking worry about my shit.
Keep my name out your mouth.
That's what you do.
I'm doing all this stupid shit that people do.
So he goes, I go to get up and he said, he said, oh, I heard about you getting your little gang together all going to come in.
He goes, I'll slap the fucking shit out of every motherfucker that walks in there.
I said, yeah, all right.
So we go to what world.
So he gets up.
We're both walking out.
And as we walk out, he says to me, he goes, oh, you think you're fucking, you think I'm fucking around?
I go, listen, listen.
I go, honestly, I said, you need to stop fucking worrying.
I understand.
I said, stop worrying about the TV and Walking Dead.
I said, because you know what's going to happen.
No matter what happens, I'm yanking the fucking TV off the wall and we're both going to the shoe and we're both going to watch it together in the fucking shoe.
Do you understand?
I said, that's how fucking serious I am.
I said, you need to stop worrying.
Just stop worrying about the shit.
Here's what you need to worry about, Cook.
Start worrying about where they're going to send you because you better hope.
Because they're going to send them to another prison.
We're both going to different prisons.
You better fucking hope they don't send you out west where they're asking for paperwork that we both know you can't provide.
And he goes, somebody say something?
And I go, yeah.
He goes, who?
And I go, you did just now.
And he goes, I said, you should have a 25-year minimum mandatory.
You got less than 15.
Oh, you looked at me and he goes, Man, you know, I'm just fucking around about that shit.
You can watch that shit, bro.
I mean, I'm good with you.
You know, I'm just playing, man.
I'm just playing.
I said, I know you're playing.
I was playing too, man.
He goes, yeah, we're good.
We're good.
He said, we're good, though?
I go, yeah, we're good.
And he goes, okay.
He fucking goes in, gets his chair, brings his chair out, fucking everything.
We go in, we watch Walking Dead.
It was like, I can't believe you fucking.
And I'm like, Holy shit.
Totally fucking bluffed his ass.
I mean, he would have beaten me to a pulp.
Oh my God.
I mean, I can't.
I mean, and I always felt like something was wrong.
I did.
He always said 15 years, but it's like, it just doesn't make sense.
The amount of fucking, the amount of meth you got caught with.
You're not getting 15 years.
Yeah.
You got caught with a gun and meth, and you've been to state prison twice.
You're getting, you probably should have deserved life.
Yeah.
Maybe 25 or 30.
Maybe 30.
I'm going to give you 25.
Not 15.
No way you got 15.
Later, he comes back and he talks to me.
He's like, look.
You know, the way I got the 15 was it's not what you think.
So I don't care about it.
He tried to explain his way out.
Yeah, he's trying to tell me, like, he, like, buried some guns.
They always use that.
Like, I knew someday I'd get caught.
So I buried some guns.
So then I gave it up.
Then I gave up.
I said, look, I know where there's a bunch of guns.
And I gave him these guns.
I didn't give nobody up.
Stop it.
Stop it.
Stop.
You ain't do that.
That's not what happened.
No stone cold today, brother.
You can watch Monday Night Raw, bitch.
You'll be lucky to get Monday Night Raw tomorrow.
I mean, we were best buddies, actually.
Really?
He's always looking out for it.
Wow.
Hey, buddy.
He went and used to spill the beans after that.
What are you doing?
God damn, dude.
But yeah, that was.
What a fucking great story that is.
I always thought that was funny.
Holy shit.
I always thought that was funny.
I was thinking about.
There was another thing that was.
What a fucking crazy story.
Oh, fucking Ellis Cook.
There's another thing that's.
Ellis.
Ellis.
Is he still in there, obviously?
Yeah.
Bro, he got shipped, came back.
I mean, he's.
He's always in trouble.
Always in trouble.
He was trying to get it so that none of the sex offenders could go in the TV room.
I mean, he got in trouble and they finally shipped him.
I mean, because he's just a fucking maniac.
He's trying so hard to play a thug in an area or in a prison.
You don't need to play a thug.
You need to kick back and just relax.
Stop asking for people's paperwork.
It's not that important.
And even if you guys all group together, there's maybe 30 of you on the compound that didn't cooperate.
What are you going to do?
You'd get slaughtered if everybody decided to do something for real and have a riot.
So, what are you, you're clicking up with all the solid guys?
Cut the shit.
Solid guys are all wish they had cooperated.
Right, exactly.
They all got 25 years.
They're like, I made a mistake.
Yeah.
So the other thing that I think that I always think is funny.
The problem is a lot of this shit that's funny probably isn't funny because out here, things are so vastly different.
Yeah.
And your mindset's different.
But what is funny, this might be funny, is that after Trump won, right, outside my cell one day, there were a bunch of a group of Puerto Rican guys at 11 o'clock at night talking.
They're always yelling and screaming in Spanish.
It's just like, you know, it's rude.
And you can't, what are you going to say?
You can't say anything.
And then they say something back.
Next thing you know, you're fucking screaming and there's 150 guys trying to sleep.
People are screaming at you.
What are you going to do?
You're not going to get into a fight with fucking six Puerto Ricans, six gang members sitting outside your unit.
So you just sit there and you lay there and you just take it.
I remember one night I was sitting there.
I was like, I wish these motherfuckers would all just go back to the island.
Wish I could just send them all back to the island.
I went, I can't send them back to the island.
But I could, Trump could send them back to the island.
Oh my God.
I went, what could I do?
I went, oh shit.
So we used to get a newsletter.
You can sign up to get a newsletter on the CoreLink system, the email system.
And like this, lawyers are different people like FedCure and so they have these different programs, not programs, but these different organizations.
One of the organizations is a guy named Jeremy.
Jeremy Gordon, and he's a lawyer.
And every two weeks or something, he sends a newsletter.
In his newsletter, he always has like little articles that he's found about some prison doing this or some prison doing that.
So he sends these things with little tiny things about prison reform and just stupid shit.
Newsletters.
Newsletters and how this guy got relief and he's doing this and he just found out this little article was in the New York Times and whatever.
And people get him, they print it out and they walk around, they read them and stuff.
Oh, hey, did you hear that they're putting a bill into Congress to try and do this and try and so-and-so sponsoring it and whatever.
So periodically it comes out.
Not everybody gets it.
Not everybody subscribes to it.
So I go and I go to the library and I write an article.
You know who Jeff Sessions is, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've heard of him before.
Okay.
He's basically like Jeff Sessions is like he was like the attorney general at the time.
So Trump had made him attorney general.
He was a really old guy, right?
Yeah.
He was an attorney general, and Trump was signing these executive orders left and right.
And everybody's freaking out, which all the presidents do when they get in.
They start just cutting stuff.
They always have a slew of them initially.
So I go and I write an article that Trump, that because Puerto Rico was so far in debt, Trump was big in the news at that moment.
I write this article with quotes from Jeff Sessions in it.
Quotes from Trump talking about how Puerto Rico is super in debt, and that basically Trump signed into law.
He repealed or he altered a portion of the 1917 law that made or rule or act that made Puerto Rico a territory.
Far as the U.S. Literally, I had to read up on it.
Like I went and I looked in the encyclopedia.
You know what our internet is?
It's the Britannica.
So I would break open the Britannica and I read all about how.
The United States conscripted a bunch of Puerto Rican citizens into the military, and the deal was we're going to make you a territory, and we're going to conscript like 50,000 Puerto Ricans into the U.S. military because we were sending troops in World War I.
We were sending troops over to help fight the war.
A bunch of them were Puerto Ricans.
We didn't have enough troops.
Well, we can go to Puerto Rico.
We'll just make you a territory.
And our deal is we can make you a territory, but you need 50,000 troops.
They said, okay, we'll do it.
So, I say in the whole article that I wrote that Trump, that part of it was that you were citizens.
However, the Constitution says that you can alter citizenship if they have felonies, convictions.
Right.
Right.
Well, anyone with a felony, Trump was going to have sent back to Puerto Rico.
The moment they were rounding them all up, if you have a felony, they're rounding you up and sending you, and every inmate currently in federal prison.
As soon as you leave, you would be sent back to Puerto Rico.
So I take that, I paste it into a Jeremy Gordon letter.
The newsletter, right, right, right.
I change the date, I change the name of the inmate that it was sent to because everything you print out has the name of an inmate.
I change all of it.
I go and I make like 20 copies.
And it's not just, it's like the article is like a page and a half.
Then there's other stuff before it now.
I mean, I embed the whole thing.
Yeah.
It's a normal one.
Yeah.
So I get it and I print it out and I print a bunch of them out and I go and I pass out a few of them.
And I put one on the bulletin board and I kick back.
And oh, and then I walk around with like a copy and I go to a couple of Puerto Rican guys and I go, did you guys see this?
Can they do this?
What do you mean?
What is it?
I go, I don't know, bro.
There's something about Puerto Rico.
What is it?
I don't read that.
What does it say?
The guy goes, hold on, Cox.
He starts reading it and he's like.
He loses it.
They can't do this, man.
They can't do this.
That's bullshit.
They can't.
Uh-uh.
Uh-uh.
They get nuts.
He was, can I have this?
I'm like, uh, yeah, I'll print out another one.
It's cool.
He takes it.
He goes and copies it.
Next thing you know, it's got, next thing you know, listen, the next day when I come back from the library, there's like 10 of them in a fucking huddle passing out, reading.
Guys fucking reading it.
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And they are just flipping the fuck out.
I got a friend named, uh, uh, The most generic name you'll ever, Juan Sanchez.
Is that the most generic fucking Spanish name ever?
That's the most generic fucking Puerto Rican name ever.
No, he's actually from Honduras or something.
Oh, really?
Spanish name.
Yeah, Juan Sanchez.
So Juan comes to me one day and he goes, Hey, Cogs, did you hear about this fucking thing?
This letter or this article that was in the New York Times?
I go, No, what was it?
He starts telling me about it.
I go, And I start kind of laughing.
He goes, Oh, man, people are freaking the fuck out.
And I start laughing.
I'm like, Mm hmm, Mm hmm.
And he goes, What's so funny?
I go, Oh, God, that's a.
Because I get into a lot of trouble.
Think about it.
The COs saw that and they'd be fucking furious.
They'd throw me, they'd be like, shit me, who knows?
Right.
But I'm having such a good time listening to people flip out.
All the Puerto Ricans are in a fucking frenzy.
So he's telling me how they're going nuts.
He's like, I don't think they can do that.
I mean, these guys are flipping out.
The Puerto Ricans are all going to their case managers and shit.
Talking to them, you know, I'm being released.
Where am I going to get released?
I'm supposed to go to halfway house.
What's going on?
And freaking out.
They're all, the fucking counselors are looking shit up.
The whole prison's going nuts.
I start laughing.
I'm going to tell you something, bro, but I swear to God, I said, you cannot tell.
Don't tell your friend because he'll tell somebody and they'll, no, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
And I tell him what happens.
He goes, he's like, you're telling him you made it up.
I tell him I made it up, but he goes, that's fucking brilliant.
That's brilliant.
He goes, how many more copies can you make?
You understand?
If you went to the copy machine for the next fucking five, six days, the Puerto Ricans were there making five copies, 10 copies.
They had a guy go in the unicorn, make fucking 100 copies, and they were everywhere.
I'm standing in a line in the chow hall, every line, listening to the white guys talk about it.
Fuck them.
I hope they all fucking go back.
Oh, my God.
The fucking Puerto Ricans are all screaming and hopping.
They just were in an absolute frenzy.
Fake news.
It was hilarious.
Guys, Juan had, he said, here's what's really funny.
And I go, what?
He goes, you want to know what's really fucked up?
He said, that's the real fake news.
He goes, I've had 40 Puerto Rican guys pull me aside and say, listen to me.
I cooperated.
I can't go back to Puerto Rico.
They'll kill me.
And Juan goes, he goes, You could file for, what do they call it?
It's not extra.
It's when you're like a communist and you come to the United States and you file for asylum.
Asylum.
He goes, I can't believe I couldn't remember.
He goes, You could file for asylum.
And he goes, I'm telling people they can file for asylum.
And I'm like, We're laughing.
I go, You need to be charging for that shit.
Tell them you called your lawyer.
Your lawyer will charge $1,500, but you can get the paperwork and do it for $100 in commentary.
He goes, Matt, he said, I couldn't.
fit all the commissary in my locker if I started.
Oh my God.
Took about a week, week and a half before they'd all called their families so much and their families had all searched the internet and it finally filtered in that look, something's wrong.
We can't find this on the internet.
It's not true.
They don't figure out it's you?
No, no, nobody ever figured out it was me.
Oh, I didn't say anything.
I was really nervous.
Like Pete found out.
Pete, I told Pete eventually because Pete comes to me and Pete's like, man, these guys are going fucking nuts, bro.
Have you heard about this?
He goes, I keep telling them that it's not probably.
He goes, it would take a decade to get that through.
He goes, I don't think it would ever go through.
So he's like looking at it from a legal standpoint.
He's like, I cannot make it.
He goes, it's probably going to go in front of the Supreme Court.
There's no way the Supreme Court's going to allow.
And I'm sitting there going, I'm like, I'm like, Pete, listen, I got to tell you something.
He goes, what do you, I go, I tell him, he goes, that's not funny, man.
These guys are flipping out.
They're losing it.
Yeah.
He goes, you understand.
He said, they're all concerned because they cooperated.
And I go, oh, I know.
I'm sorry.
I was having a bad night.
Yeah, I did.
I told him, what can help it be?
There was like fucking 10 of them, and there were five guys or six.
Guys, for 10 guys in front of my unit and he's like, what are you doing?
This is foolishness.
You're causing panic because you're gonna go to the shoe, you're gonna get shipped, and i'm like, no, i'm not.
It's like you and and Sanchez knows, that's it.
He's like, Jesus Christ, what are you doing?
That's hilarious, dude.
Lucky Sanchez ain't saying nothing.
No, he's got.
He ended up getting, he has.
He has.
That's like another.
You know, I told you I got all these little stories that are out there.
Yeah, he should be getting out of prison soon here.
Oh yeah yeah, He's got an amazing story.
He's laundering money for the Venezuelan government who's doing drugs.
I mean, they're laundering drug money.
He's laundering drug money for them.
He gets caught.
Actually, at one point, he lost a bunch of their money.
So he loses like half a million dollars or a million, something ridiculous.
He flies over there to meet with them.
These are people in the government.
To meet with them to explain to them, listen to me.
I'm sorry.
Here's what happened.
I fucked up.
I lost the money.
Like he's investing it in something.
And he lost it.
And I'm sorry.
What can we do to get the money back?
So he's trying to talk to them.
They basically kidnap him.
They keep him in like a motel room for like a week.
He sneaks out, gets to the airport, and flies back to the United States.
The story is when he goes, it's riveting because literally he gets to like the guy's holding him.
They bring a couple of prostitutes in.
And so they're all having sex with the prostitutes.
They get drunk and fall asleep.
He gets on one of the guy's computers, sends an email to his girlfriend, tells his girlfriend, I am going to the airport.
You have to have me on the next flight.
You have to pay for the flight and get me out.
He said, You've got to pay for it.
When I get there, it has to be paid for.
I have no money.
You have to pay for it.
He goes, It's like fucking one o'clock or something in the morning.
He goes, And I'm literally telling them, I'm going to try and sneak out.
You have to have a ticket waiting for me.
He goes, I don't get a response.
I don't have a chance to get a response email.
You just go.
I just go.
He goes, I sneak out.
I get into a fucking cab.
I go.
He said, When he's leaving, one of the prostitutes laying on the bed, she watches him walk.
Creeping out.
He goes to close the door and he sees her and she's staring right at him and she goes, go.
Like go go, she knows something's up.
He sneaks out, closes the door, goes there.
He said I get up to the counter and I go, my name's so-and-so such-and-such.
They're like hoping there's a flight for yeah, she goes.
Okay, you've got a ticket, hold on, prints it out, gets it, gets on the thing.
No, calls the girlfriend from the airphone.
Like, calls the girlfriend.
And he's like, listen, we're getting on a flight, i'm on the plane.
He's like, if I don't know if it's going to make it out of airspace, These guys wake up.
It's the government.
They'll make phone call.
They can turn your line.
Oh, yeah.
They're trying to play right around.
So he's like, I don't know.
He said, man, he said, look, when they said they had left, like they were leaving the airspace and they were here in international waters or whatever, he said, man, I was sweating bullets.
He's got this amazing.
That's not the only thing.
He's got like three other parts of that story that are just all international shit.
Like literally the CIA showing up.
They come in as FBI.
Yeah.
He's been interviewed by the FBI.
Then two days later, two more FBI.
So they go, hey, so and so, FBI, we need to ask you some questions.
He goes, they asked me a whole other series of questions that are similar to the other questions.
He goes, but they know other stuff and they're asking me about other people.
He goes, I didn't realize that the people I was dealing with were so important.
Turns out then his lawyer comes in and he tells him about the other guys that came, the other FBI agents that came in.
Then the lawyer calls the FBI and the FBI goes, did he see badges?
He goes, they weren't FBI.
And his lawyer says, he goes, that's fucking CIA.
He goes, are you serious?
He goes, did you see badges?
He goes, well, no, but I didn't ask for badges.
They got into prison.
Not that they couldn't have provided FBI badges, but he's like, holy shit, because they're asking about, he's dealing with guys that are like generals, guys that are like top dog.
If I told you his whole story, you would be so, it is so hilarious.
You know how he raised money?
He raised like $40,000 for his lawyer.
How?
Facebook.
GoFundMe.
Yeah.
He goes on Facebook.
Well, I think it's just, Just a, I think the way he explained it, I didn't know much.
Oh my God.
He literally, he was, he had been locked up for like six months.
They're telling him he's getting like 30 years.
He contacts his girlfriend.
He says, Look, and she tells him all the time, Look, people are asking where you are there because he's such a nice guy, man.
He's really a great guy.
And like people are going crazy.
They're asking me where I am.
What do I tell him?
What do I tell him?
And she's like, Some people know that you're in jail.
What do I tell him?
So he goes, I need you to send me, he goes, I need you to send out this right now because I met this lawyer.
He can help me.
He wants 40 grand.
I don't have it.
He goes, so I need you to send this out.
He said, and he tells him, everybody, look, I've been doing this, laundering money, doing this.
Some of you guys know me.
Everybody knows me.
He said, they've taken all of my money.
They've taken all my properties.
They've taken everything I have.
He goes, and now they're going to take the only thing that I was holding on to, which was my pride.
I need $40,000 to get a lawyer to help me get out so that I don't get a 30 year sentence.
I don't care.
If you can send me $5, send it.
If you can send me $1,000, send it.
I'm begging you to send me anything you can to help me get this lawyer.
And he leaves the lawyer's address and number and everything.
He said about.
20 to $30,000 showed up at the lawyer's office.
Guys are doing fundraisings.
People are going through and telling other co workers about him and what an amazing person is.
People are giving him $20, $50, $40.
The lawyer finally comes back and says, Listen, open a PayPal account or something.
Because I'm getting checks in for $15.
I'm getting checks in for $7.
I'm getting checks in for $50, $100, $12.
Right.
He goes, You got to open a PayPal.
It's more work.
It's more work to cash all these checks.
It costs too much cash in checks.
Yeah.
He raised the $40,000 or $45,000.
Wow.
In about a month and a half.
Amazing.
Fucking amazing.
The girlfriend still comes to see him.
Who?
I'm telling you right now, no girlfriend or wife hangs out with you when you get like 15 years.
And he got like 15 years.
He got it cut and he did like six or seven years probably.
He's getting out now.
He's probably six or seven years.
I'll bet he ends up doing it.
She was down the whole time coming to see him.
Really?
Listen, you're.
Not only is she an amazing person to be that dedicated to him, but you have to be a phenomenal person.
And the guy is, he is one of the best guys I've ever met.
Maybe it's because he's a con man, but you immediately like him.
He's just super, everybody loved Juan.
Really?
Yeah.
And here's the thing, born in fucking coleman, right?
Well, he was.
He got moved to an ice facility, right?
To a, you know, that's the immigration.
Immigration, yeah.
Oh.
Those facilities are horrible.
He said, like, the first fucking, first or second day he was there, some guard got thrown over like a balcony, was thrown off the balcony.
I mean, these guys are stabbing each other.
They're attacking the guards.
They're just, it's vicious.
Holy shit.
And he's in there, a nonviolent guy who owned a couple of businesses, and he's like, oh, yeah, he's, so, but he should be getting out soon.
Are you still in contact with them?
No, but I, I know a girl that knows him.
Okay.
And she's actually the girl.
Remember I say my assistant?
Yeah.
She was the girl that was helping me on the street, like do research.
Right.
Got it.
Right.
She's one of them.
Okay.
Through him.
So I don't talk to him because, first of all, they don't have it.
You can't talk to him, but.
Well, it's not that I mean, it is that I can't, but also, the only way to contact him is through.
They don't have the core link system there.
So I would have to write a letter, and I'm a lazy shit.
Yeah.
You know, I'm a bad friend.
I think we've established that I've got some.
You're not as good of a guy as he is.
Yes.
Yes.
He's the kind of guy that, yeah, he's a much better person.
Right.
And she's told me multiple times because I call her and say, hey, how's he doing?
This and that.
She's like, you know, you could write him a letter.
And I'm like, yeah, I know.
She goes, you know what, Matt?
You could even write an email and send it to me, and I could mail it to him.
And I'm like, okay, I know I'm a shit.
It's so much work.
I know I'm a shit, okay?
Yeah, but people in there like that, man.
You know, that passes the time for them.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
Right, it does, though.
Are you guilty?
No, I'm not saying.
I'm not going to do it.
I'll write him a letter.
Yeah, you should.
I'll give this boy a letter.
I'll give this boy a letter.
Everybody loves it.
Write Juan a letter, man.
I want to get Juan on there.
I'm a shit.
I can't.
We're going to get Juan on the podcast.
Oh, listen.
If Juan told you a story and he's a great story, is he?
Here's this thing.
Is he a good talker?
Oh, he's a con man.
Of course he is.
Of course he is.
Yeah, not just that he I'm extremely charismatic and he's got the whole Latin thing going on.
Oh, yeah, it's beautiful women love him.
Yeah Funny charismatic charming got a little bit of an accent.
Yeah, you know, he's got a big fucking chain You know who comes to see their boyfriend?
They're not even married.
I mean guys that are married their wives aren't coming unless you're filthy rich You're what you're done.
Yeah, that makes me think there's something in it for what she's sticking around for really I don't know.
Charm.
There's something.
No, ain't nobody sticking around for charm for 15 years.
No fucking way.
No fucking way.
It's not 15 years.
It's not 15 years.
No woman, that's for sure.
He said six or seven, right?
Yeah, it's probably six or seven because he's got to stick around for two years.
Not for you, but maybe for Juan.
He's sticking around for nobody with charm.
To me, that's what I keep saying.
He's got a great personality.
He's got money.
Please, you're fucking blind.
He's like, I don't know what it is.
I don't know.
She's a good person.
No way.
He's also spinning her, too, that she's thinking he's getting out anytime because he hadn't got his sentence.
He's like, I'm waiting.
They're doing it.
He's thinking he's going to walk out of jail.
He didn't walk out of jail.
They cut his sentence, but he didn't walk out.
He didn't get as much as he thought.
So he should be walking out any day.
And I say, I got a fucking call.
What's her name?
That was a wonderful podcast.
Let's wrap this shit up and go eat.
It's 11 o'clock.
The only place open is Taco Bell.
So I hope you don't mind Taco Bell.
You know, do they have a.
They don't have salad.
They have taco salads.
Oh, you want to go to Waffle House?
I fucking love Waffle House.
I love Waffle House.
I love a greasy spoon.
Hell yeah.
We're going to Waffle House.
Bacon.
I like bacon.
I'm glad you said that.
I forgot about Waffle House.
I've been there a while.
Love Waffle House.
Hell yeah.
Well, thanks for joining us on another great podcast.
Thanks, Matt.
This one?
Yeah.
Fuck yeah, this one, not the last one.
Listen, you know what's so funny?
Hey, by the way, subscribe to Matt.
Hey, he's not doing this for free, right?
We're trying to fucking get Matt monetized on YouTube, and he needs, how many hours do you need?
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4,000 watch hours.
Go fucking spend the rest of your day watching his videos on YouTube because he won't get fucking monetized until he gets 4,000 watch hours.
He's already got enough subscribers.
He already got 1,000 subscribers.
He's got 2,000.
2000 now.
And here's the thing.
What's your YouTube channel called?
Oh, it's called Inside True Crime.
So you can't search Matthew Cox.
You got to search Inside True Crime.
That's how you get it to rank number one.
I just got my picture, like, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got that fucking suave picture on there.
Yeah.
I'm putting two more.
In the next week or so, I should have two more podcasts put on.
Two more of the audio books.
Yeah, yeah.
I call them a book because they're not.
They're only like an hour long.
So I got two more of those.
Yeah.
Frank Amadeus is on there now.
Yep.
I got like three or four of them on there right now.
Yep.
I got Nine Days in the Congo, which everybody was.
fucking going nuts over.
We're that?
Man, it's already got like 500, 600 subscribers.
It's been up like a day or two.
Wow.
They're loving the fucking Amadeo.
You get to see them in action.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm going to have two or three.
So really, in the next fucking two weeks, I should have another, well, probably another two or three of those on.