Dick Savage details his unconventional strategy of homeschooling four sons to prioritize gaming over traditional education, citing Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg as proof that formal schooling stifles creativity. He outlines plans for a Chinese streaming studio targeting female audiences on Huya and Douya while establishing separate LLCs for each child to prevent financial conflicts, contrasting this with the "Lout House" culture of FaZe Clan. Savage defends Turner's self-made success against predatory contracts, dismisses Hollywood's exploitation of child stars, and reveals Tfue's earnings stem from "high tech begging," ultimately arguing that empowering creators to build independent businesses yields better results than corporate co-option. [Automatically generated summary]
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Living The Truman Show00:07:52
It's so nice to see you, Dick.
It's nice to see you, Dick.
How have you been?
Pleasure.
This young man is having a baby first.
I'm very happy for him, his lovely wife.
And he is expecting any day now.
Any day now.
She just went to the doctor today and they found out she's one centimeter dilated, whatever that means.
That means it's closer than it was yesterday.
So, how have you been?
Well,.
I can answer any questions about real estate or anything else, also without the insults to Danny and the verbiage of ridiculousness.
People think they're going to miss Ben or ask me anything about any subject.
And if I know something, I'll tell you.
If I don't, I don't BS and say, Oh, I know about that.
Well, it's such a breath of fresh air to not have him sitting here fucking breathing down my neck.
Don't you agree?
Oh, well, I don't do this, so.
Yeah.
I would have left a long time ago.
So, what the fuck have you been up to?
You've been, you live a crazy life.
It's kind of like.
I saw you on the beach on the 4th of July and you were basically like wrangling cattle with all those kids.
You were like running around with Jack and all his friends, Turner and all his friends, and they were lighting off fireworks and you were just in the middle of like a tornado.
Is that every day?
I mean, it's kind of like living the Truman Show.
Oh, fix your mic.
Get your mic a little bit closer.
So, like, see how, like, it's about two inches from my mouth?
There you go.
There you go.
You had that short, fat man here.
Yeah, yeah.
This guy was big.
No, actually, the last one, Jimmy Hart was sitting there a couple of days ago.
Sorry, I interrupted.
No, it's simple that you have a kid streaming all the time, all night.
And I have a, you should have it here, on air light.
It says on air.
Should get one of those.
A blue on air light.
Did you get that for him?
Yeah, so that people wouldn't just walk in his room.
A little bit closer with the mic.
Sorry.
More closer.
You can just hot, you can just freaking force it up.
Yeah, it'll do it.
There you go.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, good.
We got to get that good ASMR.
Oh, my concho.
So Turner's in there streaming, and I hear him, he plays horns.
He's got like, Ox horns and all these weird things and yelling.
But you, unless you're watching on Twitch, it's a bizarre thing because I'm in there working and I'm hearing this screaming and I don't know what he's talking about.
And then Jack is shooting videos and editing all the time.
But we live on the beach, so we have always have a lot of activities there.
And it's actually quieter than it used to be when they were smaller.
in their teens we'd have 30, 40 kids a night walking around driving me nuts.
So this has been like the vacation time.
So what is it?
Did they kick you out of the house?
Where do you stay?
Four bedrooms and we have a room.
We have a bedroom outside.
So they kicked you outside.
Are you living in the shed?
I know, but I have.
Turner's bought a new house, so he'll be.
Did he?
Yeah.
Where at?
I can't say.
Well, give me like a general idea.
Don't give me the address.
Come on.
It's on the mainland side of the intercoastal.
Okay.
You got a place to park the new jet skis?
Yeah.
I mean, it's a beautiful house.
And he got a great buy on it, guys.
He knocked them down quite a bit of money.
It makes a difference.
They love my mic to be close.
They want him close.
Wow.
So he bought a new house, huh?
Did you help him negotiate that deal?
Or did he do that all himself?
Yeah, no.
He doesn't have time.
He doesn't do nothing for you.
He does not have time.
I mean, we got New York Times wants to do an interview.
And the guy's like, I go, I can't get him.
Right.
He gets up, he eats, might go and get something.
He comes back, does some stuff.
He's back online.
He doesn't leave the house.
Rarely.
Rarely.
I mean, to eat.
But I mean, he's.
People that tell me, well, I wish I could do this and I wish I could do that.
Here's the point if you're going to do something, then do it all the time.
Right.
He does it seven days a week, he did it for.
Probably two years, and he was making uh, like three dollars an hour, two dollars an hour, and he never complained.
Right?
You know, I hear people, I hate my job.
Well, no, you hate what you picked, you picked it.
Nobody, nobody in America is made to take a job, you choose it, whether it's McDonald's or Burger King or Publix, Publix, or.
Whatever.
But to go back to real estate to all those people watching, Turner is in real estate.
Right.
Well, he's big real estate.
He bought a giant warehouse and a nice house.
But I met a guy about 15 years ago, he was working at the Kentucky Fried Chicken.
And I would come through and he'd always talk to me.
And then one day he said, I'm retiring.
I said, How can you retire?
He said, I've worked three minimum wage jobs.
Jobs for the last 20 years.
And he owned eight duplexes.
And he bought them all from.
He never went to management.
He was a minimum wage.
But he took his money and built an empire.
Really?
And was able to retire.
So don't tell me I can't do it.
It's a matter of giving up your playing and your free time to work.
This guy had given up all his free time.
So he could work at three minimum wage jobs and he was able to buy eight duplexes.
So it's possible for anyone.
How long did he have to work at KFC to afford eight duplexes?
We worked there 25, 30 years.
Holy shit.
But he worked there.
He worked at like Taco Bell and Burger King.
He had three different low wage jobs.
I mean, in those days, it was probably $450, $550 an hour.
Now, I went somewhere.
Yesterday, and it was $19 an hour.
So you can make money if you work.
Now, do you think that he, the whole time he worked there, he planned to, this is what his plan was the whole time to buy real estate and retire?
Are you saying that, like, that's, is that.
I would say that somewhere along the line, he made the decision to buy his first duplex.
Right.
And then he just added to it.
Right, right, right.
See?
But I mean, that is one of the most incredible stories I've ever heard of a.
Of a low income person.
So it is possible.
Schools Stifle Innovation00:10:33
Now, if you got three kids, it's going to be hard.
Yeah.
Right.
I had four.
So maybe you can give some good parenting advice to people out there who are having kids.
You raised a couple phenoms.
Well, none of them went to school.
Ever.
Four kids, no school.
Why?
What for?
That's what everyone does.
It's just what you're supposed to do, right?
Well, your kids grow up and they go to school.
Well, that's if you want them to be the cookie cutter kids.
And in today's world, I don't want, I wouldn't want kids in school because they're getting, they're probably through the third or fourth grade, they get educated.
And then after that, it's all about who you know, what you know, what you wear, what drugs are available.
I mean, I talk to kids all the time.
There's drug dealers in every school, they know who they are.
And I'm like, And then you go by the schools, and there were fences and, you know, guards.
This girl said to me something yesterday.
She was a housekeeper that I have once a week.
Don't think I'm rich, guys.
She cost me $50 for two hours.
And her daughter was there, and she was talking about school.
And I said, Have you ever heard of kids going in and shooting up?
Restaurants or grocery stores?
I said, why do kids go and shoot at schools?
Because they hate school.
Hello?
Right.
So that's where the problem is.
And that the system says, well, the way we're going to deal with it, we're going to put more people in there with guns.
I'm like, that's probably not a good idea.
Right.
Maybe they need to look at the way they deal with children and education as the problem.
See, here's what I thought all along.
So, is this the main motivation for you not putting your kids through traditional public schools?
Is that the main reason that you didn't do that?
The main reason was I wanted to raise the best Fortnite player in the world.
Of course.
Yes, we all know that.
And it worked like a fucking charm.
And he, you know, he was not allowed to play video games, they didn't have computers, they didn't have phones.
Yeah.
I would say, go outside and go play on the beach.
Now, I would.
Keep an eye on them when they were younger.
But it was because I worked out of the house, I was able to do that.
Not everyone can do it.
I think that the main motivation was when I went to school after the sixth grade, I never learned a thing.
IRA was testing at a high school level.
And what they do is they dumb it down.
The dumbest kid in the room is taught, and you got to sit there and listen to it over and over and over.
And I think the other problem with schools is that it's all age.
Grades.
So, kids that are like when you get into high school, well, he's a freshman, I'm a junior.
Yeah.
I'm a senior, and you're a lousy.
And what it does is it gets this system ingrained in kids that younger is worse.
If you're younger, you're not as good.
Yeah.
And fraternization with the younger people.
Well, that's not just in school, though, is it?
I mean, there's like a picking order in a lot of.
That's where they learn.
My kids have, you know, they can go out with somebody who's 25 or 18 and they don't look at it the same way that other people do.
Don't you worry about social skills?
Didn't you think about like maybe like that's the one thing you think of when kids are homeschooled?
Like they're not going to have proper social skills.
They're not going to be able to interact with kids.
They don't have to deal with bullies.
They're not going to be able to be nervous to talk to a girl in the hallway.
There's like all those different little things that people get when they're in a public school.
Did you ever think about that?
And I got.
Those that my friends all said that, yeah.
What are you gonna do?
Right, and the other one was, I'll never have a job and make money.
Well, Turner's got 25 million people on social media, Jack's got 12 million, so I would assume their social skills are pretty good now.
But they went, you know, we went to parks every day, we went to we lived on the beach, so it was a public beach, right.
I dealt with thousands of people.
We weren't Amish hiding in the hills.
You know what I mean?
I mean, that's really the difference.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is if you actually are around people.
I mean, I got people who were, when I sent them to tumbling when they were younger, right?
Like three, four, and five.
It's like gymnastics.
Yeah.
And my friends go, that's not for boys.
And I go, okay.
Turner's jumping off 80 and 90 foot bridges now, doing flips on YouTube.
So, you know, all the building blocks came to fruition.
Jack and Turner would not be able to work for the two biggest companies in the world, Google and Amazon, because neither has a high school education.
But they make a lot of money from both.
Right.
Right?
And my daughter's running a marketing firm for a company called Skinny Mixers.
Uh huh.
And their growth is so phenomenal.
I told the boys, I think she might outdo you guys.
So the proof's in the pudding.
What do you need school for?
Just go through it.
Well, you're one case, though.
I mean, how many?
Zuckerberg quit college.
Bill Gates quit college.
Stephen Jobs went to one semester.
That case closed.
In college, though.
They all went to high school and middle school.
Yeah, but I guarantee you, those guys, after about Sixth or seventh grade, they didn't even hear what the teacher was talking about because they were too smart.
Right.
See, you could go online and educate yourself.
There are people all over the world now doing that.
They can go on this, what's that?
Khan Academy.
You're having trouble at school or you want to learn anything.
You want to learn math, you want to learn history.
Go to Khan Academy.
Yeah, you can learn anything on YouTube.
No, but Khan Academy takes you from the start because I had one kid.
The youngest who was a little behind.
Yeah.
So we started over.
We started at first level, and I got him up to high school level in about six weeks.
Okay.
On Khan Academy.
And then when I got into algebra, I did not take it in high school.
So I didn't know it.
But history, it's all pretty simple.
It's reading and learning.
Right.
Yeah.
Remember how the school system is set up.
Here's how it's set up.
Now it's like a prison to me.
They got locked areas you can't leave.
They lock the doors in your room.
And then someone comes in and goes through the roll call, I assume.
And then most of the kids this is what I hear from kids.
Yeah.
The kids are all on their phone in class.
So what does it mean to go to school?
Right?
Right.
No, yeah, I agree.
It's a babysitter.
Especially college.
Especially college with how expensive it is.
And that's so people can go into debt.
They can go into debt.
And owe money to work.
It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't.
See, 30 years ago, you were told to go to college because you needed it.
Now, because the economies and the opportunities are there, you don't need it.
That's why the four guys, the three guys I mentioned, they didn't finish school because there was no sense in it.
Right.
If you're going to start your own company, then you definitely don't need education.
Yeah, I know.
At 90% of the people I know who went to college and got a degree are either A, not working in that field right now, or B, still trying to find a job.
And across the board, I mean, you can pretty much say by and large, people who are like Ben or like, you know, Phenom.
Right.
No, Ben dropped out of middle school.
I know.
People who like that, they always have stories of how they dropped out of school.
They didn't finish school.
They just found their own path.
There was a song done in the 60s.
And they talked about how it was just cookie cutter.
And this is the biggest problem in America.
They don't allow you to think.
They want to tell you how to think the way you should think.
And they don't allow thinking anymore.
So if you're going to go out and run a business on your own and start something, it's the worst place to be because they're stifling you.
How so?
They're telling you how to think.
In business, you have to create something if you're told just to do it this way and you got to do it that way.
Right.
You can't think outside the box.
You can't create.
Right.
Stifling innovation.
And, you know, the way people are talking is we want free college and free medical care and all this stuff.
And I'm like, well, why are you complaining about Russia?
You just bring the Russian president over and.
Women Running Huya00:14:53
Or, Chinese president, that's what they do in those countries.
You do what they say, and there's no innovation.
There's no business except the state.
And I don't see that as an advantage.
Right.
We wouldn't have rap music then.
They don't have rap music in China.
They don't?
No.
Absolutely not.
How do you know?
Have you been there?
I'm 100%.
Because I watch streaming.
Do Ya and Ho Ya are the Twitches of China.
You can put it right on there.
Do Ya and Ho Ya?
D O U Y A.
Okay.
And HUYA.
HUYA is on the New York Stock Exchange.
And these are, what are these two kids that stream?
No, they're companies.
They're companies.
Tencent gave each of them $450 million, both companies, and said, which of you are going to become the biggest streaming company?
That's what they do in China.
They gave, they made the competitors, the same company gave both money to both competitors.
And the name of this company is what?
Huya.
H U Y.
Oh, the company that gave both of them money.
Tencent.
Tencent.
Tencent's one of the biggest companies in the world.
Okay.
They own 40% of Epic.
Really?
Jones, Fortnite, yeah.
What the fuck?
But what they're doing over there, I'll ask you a question.
On Twitch, what do you think the percentage of Twitch streamers?
The audience doesn't know.
Twitch is owned by Amazon.
Right.
And it's where people play games.
And in the corner, there's a little TV screen with a streamer, which is the guy playing the game.
And then people like donate money or subscribe for $4 a month.
And your son Tfue is the most viewed streamer on Twitch, right?
Correct.
At the current time being.
I mean, he could have been bigger if he'd have played Apex Legends in January.
He chose not to.
Maybe.
Everybody went to that, and Shroud, who never competes, Shroud is a streamer.
Which brings me back to my point, Danny.
What percentage do you think on Twitch are gamers that stream?
99%?
Probably 96%.
High 90s, right?
I don't know of anybody who's not.
China.
I know Bubba the Love Sponge is on Twitch.
Right.
That's his only audience.
What percentage do you think in China are gamers?
What percentage of what?
Of the billion people.
Of all the people.
Right.
Not a billion streaming.
I have no idea.
What percentage is the U.S. stream?
Like 99% are gamers.
Oh, okay.
What percentage?
Okay, I see what you're saying.
Chinese streamers are gaming.
Yeah.
100%.
10%.
What?
What does everyone else do?
90%.
This will blow your mind.
This is why we're going to.
I see where this is going.
We're building a streaming center for this.
90% of China streaming on Huya and Do Ya are women.
And they're not gaming.
They're just talking, entertaining.
They're entertainers.
And what I saw is a huge opening because everyone in the U.S. wants to do gaming.
But here's the point they've got.
So they want just like lonely dudes to have conversations with chicks on Twitch.
I, you know, you can put it in that.
Oh, yeah.
I don't really care.
Right.
Anybody.
We're going to build a streaming center with women streamers.
And then we're going to put Turner gaming in China on Huya.
You're going to send him?
No, not send him.
He's going to sit right here.
We're going to have him get.
There's another Chinese gamer that's on like Optic.
And Optic got a deal with Huya last week.
And I went, Turner and him can play.
And this guy speaks Mandarin so he can talk to Turner, interpret.
So Turner will be the first, and this guy, streamers streaming from the U.S. into China.
See?
I have the bigger picture.
The bigger picture is they've got hundreds of millions.
Maybe I think they're at 800 million people watching Huyin, do you?
What do you got with Twitch?
It's probably 15, 20 million.
So the audience is dwarfs.
And when you scale it out, I'd rather have 200 million Chinese.
Yeah, for sure.
And Turner will be one of the first guys to stream over there.
Then we're going to bring Chinese women here and teach them streaming here.
And then they'll stream back into China from here.
Wow.
That seems like quite the plan.
It's a great plan.
It sounds like a great plan.
That's how you make hundreds of millions is what people think is that China is backwards.
They're behind us.
But the truth is they're ahead of us for the simple reason is Apple sends the phones over there.
They know how a phone works before the public here gets it.
Their engineers are already reverse engineered.
That's why they're eating Apple's lunch over there.
We send them the phone technology.
They're building the next X phone for Apple.
Well, their guys, they steal everything and build it in their phones already.
So they're further advanced in this country because we're giving them the technology or they're stealing it and they're building out.
And because the system is socialist, And not capitalist, right?
They can take all of it and train it on one segment like computers or technology or missiles, but they're way far advanced than people think.
They think they're a backward country, you know, walking around with a rickshaw.
They're sadly mistaken.
Hmm.
Interesting.
So you're going to take Chinese girls and put them.
Take anybody under 18.
When I say girls, I mean, you know what I mean.
Well, I just want to make sure.
Yeah, clarification.
Chinese women, and you want to stream them.
Stream them all from one location.
Is this going to happen in the warehouse?
In the studio.
The studio, okay.
And it'll be a separate portion.
It'll be a separate company run by a woman.
All the women will work with women.
There will be no men.
I don't want to get into all that crap.
Right.
I'm not going to.
I don't want to.
Oh, he said this.
That's not going to happen.
It's going to be a straight up, straight as a string, run it like a business.
A woman runs it.
Nobody will say we're taking advantage.
Yeah, we're funding it.
Okay.
But we're going to empower and make millionaires of women.
Okay.
I bet you we'll have in five years, we'll have 100 women worth over $10 million.
And everybody in the gaming will be fighting over the peanuts.
Wait, who?
Who is going to watch that?
Like, so who are these women?
What are they going to do on this live stream?
Well, a lot of them, like Pokemane, she does.
She plays video games.
Well, they can play video games.
It doesn't matter.
They can talk.
A lot of them, Pokemane, who's the BitWiM user, she's got over 3 million on Twitch.
And she knows how to do it.
You know, there's a lot of others, but most of it is chat that they do.
You ever seen that?
Just chat, it's called.
And they'll just talk.
It's communication.
But why wouldn't they just do that?
I'm just going to be the devil's advocate.
Why wouldn't these girls just do it on their own?
Why would they need to go to your studio to do it?
Well, they're not going to.
All right.
How are they going to learn how to be on Instagram, how to integrate the content into Facebook, how to make YouTube videos, how to be on podcasts that we have?
And we have the big enchilada.
Turner's got an audience every night of 30, 50, 100,000.
So when he stops, one of them goes on and takes his audience.
And then we piggyback like three or four people.
So, kids get new people they'd never seen.
So, we're going to create huge audiences.
And then, when the girls get bigger, we're going to take the other girls and piggyback.
But we're going to teach them business, how to make money, how to monetize, and not take 80% in ridiculous contracts.
A lot of them will actually employ them, give them insurance.
We'll do it like a business, not like a clown show.
I don't know if Turner's going to agree to this.
You might be on your own dick.
That's all right.
No, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know if he doesn't sound like something he'd be into.
Hey, it's a big building.
Yeah, it's a big building.
I've talked to him about it.
We have companies.
He doesn't want to do anything but play.
Yeah, he doesn't want to do anything but stream.
That's fine.
It's a big building.
We have a big building.
Our part, I'm going to rent it from him.
He's going to make money.
He may never even know what's going on.
Right.
See?
What is he doing?
So, what do you guys, what's the status on that building?
What are you doing with it?
What's like the current state?
Are you guys renovating it right now?
Yeah, I just, you know, painted and cleaned it up.
I saw you all the SpongeBob things that Jack built outside.
Yeah.
Well, we're just, it's a slow process.
Yeah.
You know, we got to get it up to code and all that stuff.
And there's a couple of companies that want to put money in the studio, which is separate from Turner.
See, if they put it in the studio, it goes in a corporation.
And that operates.
He'll have a piece of it, I'm sure, but.
You'll cut him into the business?
I don't even want it.
I'll give it to him.
If I run it for two years, I'll say, here.
Go back to enjoying my life.
Right.
I mean, I have a lot of experience.
It looks like you are enjoying your life pretty well right now.
But see, I'm trying to change streaming in America.
That's a big task.
But it's so simple because if 90%. Of streaming in China is women streaming.
It obviously works.
Right.
It works.
Nobody does it here because it's all around gaming and making that $450 a month.
But somebody can get $450 a month because she's attractive and they may not be attractive.
I don't care.
I don't care what race.
I don't care what background.
I don't care about any of that.
I want to empower people to make money.
Yeah.
That's what I'm good at, you know, on social media.
And I know all of them.
I know all the platforms.
I know.
You learned because of Turner and Jack, right?
I don't know if I learned.
I didn't have any choice.
You didn't have any choice because they were good.
Yeah, because I, you know, and I watch, I know all the people on YouTube.
I know the people on Instagram.
I know Snapchat.
Yeah.
You know, I do Snapchat.
You're on Snapchat?
Yeah.
What the hell are you doing on Snapchat?
I have people that want to watch.
Oh, my God.
I'll give them some snaps.
What do you want me to do?
I don't want to know what the fuck you're doing on Snapchat, dick.
Nothing.
I'm G rated as they get.
Yeah.
I'm G rated.
What is up?
So you find, I saw on your Instagram, you have like random people you run into and then you like shout them out and say they're going to do it.
Well, because I thought, here's the point Instagram models, right?
Yeah.
Because it's a gag.
You're just goofing around.
No, I do it.
Yeah.
But I thought I could do it once or twice a week.
And it would be interesting if someone found it to be because I don't do anything else with them.
I do it once.
Right.
And I go, I'll walk up and I'll say, You're the next Instagram model.
They start laughing, and I'll just click the camera on and film them and then post it because it's genuine.
See, very little do I do with the boys when the camera's on, where you're not in character, but you know the camera's on.
So I like to catch people the camera and catch them in their unassuming mode, and maybe one or two of them does well.
I'd love that, you know?
Yeah.
Because everyone has that.
I want to be famous.
And it's like some kid came up on the beach and said, You're famous.
And I go, It's not worth a warm bucket of spit.
Because I don't get a discount at the restaurant.
Nobody pays.
I make nothing from it.
I make zero.
Okay.
Oh, you got 107,000 on Instagram.
Well, yeah.
Do you have 107,000 followers on Instagram?
I think it's 106.
They didn't like my party the other day.
Why?
What happened at the party?
I don't know.
I. You lost followers?
I lost.
Oh, desperate.
You know, all out Turner has to do is spit my way and they come.
So, what does that mean?
Wait, what's all you're saying?
What didn't they like about you?
I don't know.
I don't care.
It means nothing.
It's like losing my hair.
I don't have hair.
Who cares?
Yeah.
It's silly.
You know, my age, it doesn't matter.
I'm not making a living from it.
If I was making a living, then I'd be concerned.
Right.
Well, your son's making a living from it.
Well, yeah, I'm glad they are.
You know, I get a lot of grief because I used to be Jug Squad Dad.
Do you know that?
On Instagram.
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And you change it to Tfue's Dad.
Why?
Well, that's not fair to Jack.
Why?
He never.
He put me in his video and I said, You don't even tag me.
You know what his comments are?
If I was Jack and you changed your name from Jug Squad Dad to Tfue's Dad, I'd be pissed.
Why?
Because it's not fair.
He doesn't call me out.
I have no followers.
You just changed it because he's got more followers.
That's not fair, Dad.
No, that wasn't all I did it.
Dad, you're favoriting the other kid.
No, Jack had that for years.
Jack has never.
I said to him, You made this video on the 4th of July, and you tag everyone but me.
You know what he says to me?
Well, you have more followers than any of them put together.
And I said, That's because I'm more interesting.
They like me, and your guys have no appeal.
That's my fault.
I didn't do that.
So that's why you changed it.
No, I changed it.
Here's why I changed it Turner got banned and had people to know where he was.
He wasn't on YouTube.
He wasn't on.
And so I changed.
Why did he get banned again?
I don't remember that.
You got like Twitch has super strict.
Yeah.
Anyways, what were you saying?
So no one knew he was alive or dead.
So I put Tfue's dad, and media was quoting me.
And so I just left it on.
I tried three times to give it to the two of my kids.
I said, take my, I don't even want it.
Take the hundred and whatever.
Take all these idiots and get them off my, and they wouldn't take them.
So I'm stuck with it.
You're stuck with Tfue's dad.
No, I'm not.
I'll change it.
It's just not.
What are you going to change it to?
I don't know.
I'll make something up.
I was Mike Hancho.
Yeah.
I was Dick Savage and I was Jug Squad dad.
I don't stay with the thing.
You're just an ever evolving.
Because they change when we do different things.
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Yeah.
On the, you know, then people like, if I go out, people yell, Hey, Mike!
Hi, or Dick or Richard.
They don't, you know, I get called a lot of things.
Well, that's because you're driving around in Tfue's car, right?
No, he won't let me drive it.
He won't let you drive it?
No, Pierce and I drove up late one night.
Jack was out there in the ocean.
So we went up to, you know, bring him some towels.
And Pierce put the seat all the way up and left the towels in there.
So he thought I had a party in his car.
You know, that's the new thing now.
They put it on autopilot and fool around.
Right.
Right.
And of course, I told him, I said, me fooling around would never happen in a thousand years, so you don't have to worry about that.
I'm like a monk.
Yeah, you are.
Yeah.
Monking around.
So, let's go back.
I find it interesting what you were saying about the KFC guy who invested all that money in the duplexes, the eight duplexes.
Is that sort of the same thing that Turner did?
Did he know, or did you know, when he was spending on.
All this time in his room playing video games for hours on end every day.
Were you concerned at all that he, like, this kid needs to figure out what he's going to do with his life and figure out a career?
No.
Or did you guys know that, yeah, he's going to eventually turn this into a career?
No.
He just was working 10, 12 hours from six to six at night, playing six in the morning.
Well, it's work.
If you put me in front of a computer terminal, I don't care what, if I'm playing.
Online poker for 12 hours, buddy, that's work.
Right.
I understand now.
It's definitely work.
But back then, you may not have thought it was work.
What I'm trying to say is, in the beginning, you may not have perceived it that way.
You may have thought, oh, this kid's just obsessed with video games.
That's what anyone would have thought.
I didn't even think about that.
You thought he's definitely made fun of it.
It was no different than if Turner and Jack could have been easily pro surfers.
Easily.
They'd be the top two pros in the world or in the top five.
Guaranteed.
But that's not the path they took.
And Jack, you know, and the other thing that torques me lately is some group said they made Turner's career.
Well, that's the biggest crock I've ever heard in my life.
Turner made Turner's career.
He's been on YouTube for 12 years, which predates the guys that think they know YouTube and all this who are trying to claim they helped him.
Jack helped him.
They were on YouTube.
He was famous all over the world for at least six or seven years.
And the gaming was just a different.
He gravitated to it.
He wanted to game.
So he gamed.
I didn't need his money.
Did you know he was making money in the beginning, though?
Well, he showed me the contract.
He came to me at a contract when he was like 18.
Okay.
They paid peanuts.
I'd read it over and I'd say, sure, sign it.
It doesn't matter.
I find it interesting.
How there's a couple videos on YouTube talking about how they offered, and I'm probably completely saying this the wrong way, but they said that they offered a transfer or something.
They were going to transfer him, transfer his con, like he's an NFL player or an NBA player.
Like, what the fuck?
Can you do that?
Is that even a real thing?
That's just.
Oh, we're going to transfer you to.
This other company.
That's grasping its.
What is that?
I mean, that's like saying.
Is there like, I mean, well, the NBA and NFL, there's players' unions, right?
Right.
So, right.
It's all regulated.
This is not regulated.
These are just private businesses.
Yeah.
And this is not athletics.
You know that NCAA, about a month ago, right, said it absolutely is not sports.
100%.
We are not, all the colleges started doing e sports.
The word e, Is electronic.
Yes.
The word sports is sports.
And the NCAA said, we will not make it a sport no matter what you say.
No matter what you say.
So it's already pretty much people know it's ridiculous.
Sitting in a chair, pressing your fingers is not a sport.
Playing with a little.
And to try and portray that is ludicrous.
If it's not a sport, what is it?
It's entertainment.
It's okay.
Is card playing, the World Poker Tour, is that a sport?
That's a good question.
It's not.
It's entertainment.
But I can see how it could be defined loosely as a sport, I think.
I mean, you could, what else would you call it?
It's a game.
It's a game.
It's a game, but sports are games.
They're gamers.
But they're trying to say baseball and football and playing a game on a computer is not.
The word e sports makes sense, but to make it broader and say it's a sport is.
Here's why they're trying to do that.
The big old companies, NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball, hockey, those owners want to own sports teams.
So they are now buying esports teams and folding them in and saying, we're in this.
And it's esports because they're losing all the audiences.
I talk to young people all the time that come over looking for Turner and Jack.
And I said, you play sports.
No.
What do you do?
I game.
I'm on the computer.
So, what does that tell you?
Down the line, baseball, football, basketball are going to be history because when all these kids grow up, they're not going to watch it.
They don't play it.
See, that's the big problem.
They don't participate in the school.
So, they're not going to play the game.
If you don't play baseball, you're not going to watch baseball.
If you don't play football, you're not going to watch it.
And it's going away.
And all the owners know it.
So, they're trying to buy.
E sports teams, so they can make the model the same as football and put their money in that.
And that's why there's all this money rushing into the thing.
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See?
Okay.
So that's how one of the big ways that these e sports companies like FaZe are raising money from guys like that, as well as advertisers.
But see what Turner did, and he was not the guy that, I mean, it just evolved.
Up to this point, The gamers were Dr. Disrespecto, Dr. Lupo, Tim the Tatman.
These guys have been doing it for seven, eight, nine years on Twitch, and they had like a million and a half, two million.
That's all they had.
Then Fortnite came in, and Ninja was brilliant.
He said, Here's what he came up with.
When you get Amazon Prime, you get.
You get one free Twitch subscription.
So, if I want to watch Ninja, I go to Mommy and Daddy, and he was telling kids, go to Mom and Dad and say, can I have the free subscription?
Then they can chat with him directly.
They're allowed to write on there.
So, he figured this out and got this huge following, and he was making a million a month last year, a year ago.
Who was Ninja?
Ninja.
Because he figured it out quicker than anyone else, and the real gamers were not real happy with this guy.
Because he's blue hair, he's mainstream, and he had brilliant marketing.
They blew him up.
Yeah.
And Turner, as you know, because you came in early on, you were in and wanted to do that.
And I knew that he was going to blow up because I got a video because I watch YouTube all the time.
And I saw it was at like 70 or 80,000.
Turner is the best Fortnite player in the world.
So I watched the video.
And I understood enough to know this guy was.
I mean, it's subjective.
To say you're the best out of $250 million is a little.
I don't.
Turner will be the first to say there's probably many people better.
Right.
That's absurd.
But when that guy said it, that's when he blew up.
That's when he just.
And then people started watching him.
That was before he signed.
Who was it that said that?
I don't know.
The video's on there.
Okay.
Like 6 million now or 8 million.
It blew up and blew him up.
And that's when the guys thought, oh, we'll just sign him to a contract to make a lot of money off him.
Yeah.
I mean, the kid was living in my house since he was born.
Yep.
He went out to Hollywood maybe last year, 80, 90 days.
80, 90 days.
And the guys that were there, drunk all the time, go, well, we made this guy who he is.
I'm like, And they came to my house, and I said, You didn't do anything for him.
You think you did, and people can listen to your lies, but the truth is the kid did it on his own from his incredible skills.
He won tournaments.
It's like saying, Michael Jordan started with the Chicago Bulls.
The team sucked.
Okay?
He sucked for years.
Did the Bulls come out when he won the first?
We made him.
Right.
If he hadn't been here, do you think if Michael Jordan had gone to the Lakers?
Or the Knicks, they would have been the winners.
Right.
Turner could have gone to Joe's Bar and Grill and played in Poughkeepsie, New York, and he'd have still been the best.
See, so to take somebody's credit, have you heard me say, I made Turner.
If it wasn't for me, I am, you know, that's crap.
Yeah, that's kind of a cheap.
Yeah.
No, that's such bull.
You do not take credit.
For anyone.
Now, if you're married to them, then I think it's a different story.
I think the partner has the right to say, I helped them be successful.
See?
But anything where you say, I made them, the only guys that make anyone were the old mafia when they made a lieutenant, a made man.
Yeah.
And that wasn't a good thing because you didn't have a long career after that.
Yeah.
How much money is this kid making right now?
I don't know.
Can you guess?
No, I don't even care.
No clue.
I don't care.
He doesn't care.
I don't have anything to do with life.
Money has nothing to do with life?
Not in this instance, when he was making $200 a week doing 80 hours, I'd say to him kiddingly, and Jack always brings it up I'd say, you know, you could make $7 an hour washing dishes and you'd be making three times the amount of money.
And I would say it kiddingly to him.
I wouldn't tell him, you need to quit that gaming crap and go get a job.
I never said that.
Never.
Never.
I told Jack when he was 18, I said, I got a free paid college plan.
Do you going to go to school?
He goes, No.
I said, Well, then you're going to have to go down and get a job at Publix.
And he said, Is there another way?
And I said, Yeah, the fame game.
The fame game.
Yeah, the fame game.
You can make it on YouTube, but you can't make it making skimboarding videos.
You have to become an entertainer.
You have to.
And that's when he went out.
He got a couple of YouTubers and he blew up with that Slender Man on the beach.
That was his first break.
And the drinking prank, too, right?
Well, that was a little, that was with Turner.
Yeah.
That's the big, that's why when people say, we made this guy a big star.
Turner's got 18 million on YouTube from eight years ago.
So don't tell me you did something.
He knew how he could stop gaming today.
We were laughing about this.
He said to me, I can make a vlog every day and never game and have, he can have more than Mr. Beast.
Yeah.
If he wanted to do that, he can do anything he wants.
He'd be the best hamburger flipper if he was flipping hamburgers.
And he'd just be the same person.
He'd be just as happy.
Same with Jack.
Jack goes out and digs in the dirt and finds megalodon and shark's teeth for fun.
He's not doing it for money, he's cataloging and showing.
Because what they try and do is they do things and share it with their audience to motivate and get kids to go.
Wow, I'm just sitting here playing games.
I can jump off a bridge.
I can do whatever.
I mean, we don't tell you to jump off a bridge.
You'll probably break your neck.
It's probably a bad idea.
Yeah.
30 feet is probably the max I did.
Is it true that he made, people are claiming out there that he made over like 15 million bucks last year?
That's absurd.
If he's making, not even close.
He didn't make New Year's Eve.
I don't even think he made a mil.
What?
Come on.
Not after taxes.
Uh-uh.
I can't get into it, but it's.
I mean, they made.
Well, let's put it into perspective.
They made $70 million.
Let's put it into perspective for the people that are listening.
Yeah.
How successful, how much money someone like Turner can make.
Now, this year's different, but I'm not going to talk about that.
He's doing much better this year.
Can we put it in a ballpark?
No, I'm not going to.
I don't speculate on people's income, whether it's yours, mine, or a guy I meet.
I don't.
I don't know what it is, so I'm not going to talk about it.
Why would I?
I don't know.
I know he's done.
I know he's done better, but he's in litigation, so he can't sign contracts.
You know, we had to pass on a lot of big contracts because of the control.
But I'm not worried.
Because of what's going on with that.
Let's put it this way he's fine, but he's not, just so you know.
And the craziest thing is he's still living in your house.
That's, I mean, well, that was our deal.
What he said to me six, seven months ago is, and I don't tell him what to do.
Right.
We talk.
I have an opinion.
He does exactly because I trust him from the time he was probably 16.
He makes good decisions.
But he said to me, I want to go back.
Not with that contract.
He didn't.
Well, he didn't.
I never saw it when he came back with it.
I said, it was the worst.
But that, you know, you have to live and learn.
Of course.
People say, well, he shouldn't have signed it.
Okay.
I don't.
I'll take any 20 year old kid.
Okay.
I'll.
Put him in my Lamborghini if I have one.
I'm a young guy.
I'll take him out.
I'll show him a good time.
I'll throw him some girls and I'll get him drunk when he doesn't drink and then tell him, Sign right here.
You don't, I'll tear it up.
It doesn't mean a thing.
And the kid will sign it.
So for people to say, I wouldn't have signed it, everybody signs.
Right.
They're naive.
Right.
Okay.
I agree.
Yeah.
I've been in many situations where people as an adult, Try and get me to sign contracts.
And I go, not doing it.
I've gotten up and walked out of when I'm sitting there with 30 people.
You got to sign this.
We're going to.
I go, I'm out.
What are you?
And they're arguing.
And I just leave.
It's hard when you're pressured and you're doing a business deal because people that aren't in business don't know.
They don't know.
And when you're told, ah, it doesn't mean it, we'll throw it away.
You trust them.
Right.
And then all of a sudden, it's all attorneys going.
I mean, anyone that doesn't believe me on contracts, just watch the social network.
When they brought the guy in, they were buddies.
They were best buddies.
Zuckerberg, who started Facebook, if you don't know, go watch the social network.
He brought in his best friend.
They said, Hey, we got some papers for you to sign.
And he looked at everyone.
He said, You read this?
And they said, Yeah, he signed it.
And he diluted his own stock.
And he wrote himself out of the company because Zuckerberg stuck him in the back with a knife.
So, if you want to get to who stuck who with a knife, it's the guy that tells you, sign the contract.
I won't screw you.
That's the guy sticking the knife.
It's already in your back, not after the fact when you go, why am I not making any money?
Watch this.
Listen to these words.
A person I know never got any money at all.
From their contract.
A person you know.
A person I know never got a dime.
No 1099.
So.
Who is this person you know?
Just a nice person I know.
Okay.
Are you supposed to assume something here?
No.
Just saying.
Okay.
See, when you work for someone, you've worked for people, and I have, you get a 1099.
Right?
No, yeah, yeah.
When you're a contractor, when you're an independent contractor.
And when you don't get a 1099, that means you didn't make any money, right?
Right.
Imagine that.
Maybe they just haven't sent the 1099 yet.
Well, they got to send something with it called money.
Right.
If you don't get any money, you don't need a 1099.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
See, the truth is always different than a BS in life.
Mm hmm.
Everyone wants to BS.
I don't want to BS.
I just tell the truth.
Yeah.
Yep.
Well, you're doing well.
You raised a couple of really successful kids who are doing what they love, making a shitload of money.
All four of them are.
I mean, Pierce is just starting to stream.
Is he?
Pierce is your youngest son.
Yeah.
How old is he?
19.
19.
Okay.
And I told him, I said, what do you want to do?
And he was gaming.
And I said, you're on Fortnite.
You got to get in the family business.
The family business.
Well, I may stream, I'll play poker.
You're streaming right now.
I met, I'm going to do a podcast.
You should.
You're really good at talking.
I want to bring you in and we'll do a.
I'll come in.
We'll do.
No, we'll do duels.
Duels.
Yeah.
Okay.
We're going to do dual podcasts.
You're going to do it on your channel.
I'm going to do it on mine.
Okay.
But we're going to be there.
That way, everyone.
See, because here's what happens with money everybody gets greedy.
I wanted, you know, and I believe that empower, like Jack's running his own business.
He has his own LLC.
Turner has like five of them.
And.
And I have my own company.
It's just the way it's easier.
You don't have any fights over money or arguing.
I want my audience.
And what I love is people say, you're doing it for the clout.
I'm like, what?
I don't care about clout.
What am I going to do with it?
What does it get me?
You know, a long time ago when the kids were doing clout, what does clout get you?
That's a good question.
I don't know.
People, well, no.
People are very interested.
Can we define clout real quick?
Clout would be subscribers.
That you get people's attention based on my son.
Like, if I say Tfue's dad, I'm using him.
And you know that my only interest is to promote him.
If you look on my Instagram, it's all about him or Jack or my daughter.
Because I don't, what am I going to do with the clout?
Wow, I've got a bunch of subscribers that no one cares about.
And people basically judge how important you are based on how many followers you have.
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Yeah, but that's seven year olds.
Seven year olds and everybody at the FaZe Clan because they call it the Clout House.
Well, yeah, but they lost the C. Did you know that?
It's called the Lout House now?
Yes, it's now the, well, it's just the L.
I mean, Turner left.
That was it.
Yeah.
And now the guy's girlfriend left, the main guy.
I mean, I'd look in the mirror and go, I must be really screwing up here when my main guy and my girlfriend split.
Right?
And I'm hiring 12 year olds, having them do videos.
That's pretty embarrassing in my opinion, but I don't care.
You know, I wish them well.
I hope they do very well.
Maybe he's just doing it for clout.
Maybe it's just a big scheme just to get more clout.
I guess.
I don't know what we're going to do with it.
Like a long time ago, somebody asked me Isn't it when Jack was big with Jug Squad and we had hundreds?
I mean, he's bigger now than he was then, but there were hundreds of kids coming.
That somebody goes, Wow, isn't that great?
Don't you love being involved in all this?
And I go, If it doesn't get me laid and it doesn't get me paid, I don't care.
But you do love it.
You can tell that you love it.
I love what they do.
Yeah.
No, I love what they do.
I can tell that you love it.
It's very obvious that you enjoy it.
It's like you've almost found a whole new life by everything that they've created.
It's like you.
No, it seems like that from my perspective.
Well, because.
It's just the family unit.
Right.
No, yeah.
It's just as exciting as when Jack was four years old, we went to Myrtle Beach, and he was surfing on a boogie board in seven foot waves, and people were standing in a crowd watching him.
You see, it's the dynamic of my family.
I love watching them successful.
And it's rare to see someone's parent be involved in so much of what they do, even at this stage in their life.
No matter what they're doing, I mean, obviously.
99% of it takes place at your home.
So you can't help but not be there.
But it seems like you're always there, involved, and you're always a big part of whatever you're doing.
I'm just trying to help, whatever I can do.
Yeah.
Well, you're a great dad.
You look at yourself.
You look at, you know, the Kardashian woman.
I mean, she runs their business.
No, but I admire her business acumen.
Yeah.
I mean, she's got the one girl, a billionaire, and that girl's got 15 employees.
Which one, Kylie or Kendall?
The one doing the makeup.
Kylie, yeah.
Well, they're all million.
They're all multi fucking millionaires.
Yeah, but she's a billionaire.
She's the youngest billionaire in the world.
Kylie Jenner.
Yeah.
And it's mom business acumen.
I mean, that's, you know, they listen.
And then you look at Taylor Swift.
Her dad has been running her career from day one.
Yeah, he hasn't been.
And I'm just talking about the business end.
The business end.
I'm not interested.
I don't want to go out and book them.
I don't care about that.
All I look at is the contracts with the attorney.
They send it to the attorney.
I'll read it.
I might make a notation.
And if Turner wants to do a deal, he does it.
If he doesn't want to do a deal, he doesn't do it.
I don't rail.
I'm not in on it.
I'm not getting a percentage.
So I'm not like an agent.
You have to do this or I'm not going to be your agent.
That's what they do.
That's the problem Taylor Swift had with Scooter Braun.
Is Scooter Braun?
I talked to a guy who went through Taylor's dad and he said, You can't get these agents because they would scream at her, You have to go here.
You have to do this.
I'm your agent.
And she was like 16, 15.
And he was, you know, and he did it all through her career.
And that's why she got rid of him.
Is that agents become the enemy?
Because they're just chasing a commission, right?
Yeah, they're chasing a commission.
They don't care what you do, you're like a show pony.
Take them to every circus in town, work them to death.
And my thing is Turner already works 12 hours a day.
When are you going to get him to work more?
He doesn't need to work more.
He already works.
Jack outworks almost every human I've ever met in hours put in.
He does.
Doing what?
He does the YouTube and preparing and editing videos.
Yeah.
I mean, he's always working.
Always.
Going back to Taylor Swift and agents and stuff, there's a weird one of the weirdest, creepiest fucking things is the Hollywood parents that want their children to be stars, like actors.
And these parents will, I forget, there's like a name for them.
I can't remember what it is right now.
But their goal in life is to get their kids to be famous somehow.
So they mail in their headshots to random addresses.
They'll find casting agencies or talent agencies or whatever, and they take their kids and they just ship their headshots to these random places, to these agencies with the address attached.
Like, there's parents that are just trying to feed off getting their kids to accept stage parents.
Yeah.
Well, here's.
It's a weird fucking thing.
Well, when I lived there, I lived in Hollywood.
I had a duplex, and my neighbor.
Was working for the biggest talent agency in Hollywood.
When I had a baby, I said to him, You know, I was thinking I'm going to send my wife and they'll do like commercials, like baby.
And he goes, And this is a guy in the business.
He had the top talent, top guys, you know, like Tom Cruise.
I mean, he had the top guys.
And he said, Over my dead body.
And I said, Why?
And he said, They're all a bunch of perverts and weirdos and scum.
I'm not going to let your daughter around them.
I said, It's a baby.
He said, Doesn't matter.
No.
And I learned from him.
He stood in front of me and I respected the guy.
He was the top agent in Hollywood for talent.
And he said, It's not a business for children.
So when my daughter wanted to do YouTube at 15, I said, No way.
Because I learned from him.
And that's why when I see people signing.
Kids up 12, 14 years old and dragging them to Hollywood.
I'm like, there's nothing good going to happen, especially if your name is high in your name.
You're going to be high all the time.
So it's really a bad thing to bring children in that environment because, and another thing, I was in a nightclub with a very, very one of the top actors in Hollywood.
And I look over and there's a girl, she's 12.
And she's drinking.
And I go, What's going on?
He goes, It's Drew Barrymore.
She's a movie star.
Her parents were the biggest stars in Hollywood going back 40 years.
Holy shit.
And they allowed her to drink because in Hollywood, if you're a kid and you're making money, if you're in Hollywood and you're a kid and you're making a lot of money, you can do whatever the heck you want to this day.
You want drugs?
They'll get you drugs.
As long as you make that system money, they'll protect you.
So, I learned those lessons a long time ago, and they stayed out of it.
You know, we did YouTube here, but I was pretty much around the whole time, and Jack did it.
How old was Jack when he started doing YouTube?
He was probably 14, but it was all.
I can't believe you didn't let your daughter do it.
She could have been just as big as Tfue right now.
She'll probably make more money than them and the company she's with.
Why did she need to?
What's the rush?
Here's the point there's no rush.
There's no rush, and you're having a child soon.
I am.
You should be a kid.
As long as you can.
So you should have fun.
No worries about money.
Go out and play, learn, figure out what you want to do, and do it later.
Because if we go back to Drew Barrymore, and I can go a hundred different examples in the last five years, kids' stars don't have a childhood.
So they lost their childhood.
They then get into drugs and alcohol.
They don't know how to handle it, and they screw their entire lives up.
Right.
That's why you don't want them to rush into it.
Right.
Wow.
Yeah.
Kid stars turn out fucked up for the most part.
So I don't see any advantage of being a big star as a child on YouTube.
You're going to have a screwed up life.
Yeah.
Okay.
People are sticking kids in with older men so that they can become famous in gaming.
I do not know a parent.
I don't know one parent that would let a 12 or 14 year old boy hang around 28, 30 year old men.
That are drinking.
It never would happen.
But the lure of the kid will be successful.
And I'll tell you this, I'll make this clear.
If you tell me he's living his dream, that's what a parent does, is keep a kid from becoming an adult.
Because why don't we just put kids at Walmart at eight?
He wants to work at Walmart, he's eight, and that's his dream.
Why don't you let him do it?
Well, because the government says you got to be 13.
And even when you're 13, you can only work 20 hours and you have to go to school.
That's why they make the rules.
But see, Hollywood perverts the rules.
Right.
They say, okay, you can be on a TV show and you're famous.
It doesn't mean anything.
What about going to school with your friends or being schooled at home and being a kid?
Let kids be kids.
That's my mantra.
Let them be kids.
Then there's time.
Jack and Turner done very well.
So the proof's in the pudding.
Proof is in the motherfucking pudding.
Right.
When your baby's born, you're going to say.
My baby's born.
I'm not going to put her on the podcast and try and make her famous.
It's a boy.
Oh, it is a boy.
Congratulations.
Oh, that's a big thing in a podcast.
He's got a boy.
It's a boy.
His name will live on.
His name will be LeBron.
LeBron Jones.
Is that.
No, maybe I should have given a regular name.
Bron.
Yeah, they'll just screw him up.
I was just going to name him LeBron and send him to Hollywood.
Good.
No.
Don't do that?
You won't do that.
Okay.
You're not going to do that.
All right.
I'll name him.
Look at him in normal.
Hollywood is just a.
It's like my friend who's lived out there his whole life.
I was just going to let him.
He's filled with crooks, liars, and thieves.
Well, when he turns one, I was just going to send him to the FaZe Clan.
There you go.
And I'll write up a crayon thing that says, I'm 10.
I am.
Yes.
I love it.
Hey, do we have anyone that wants to call and talk to Dick?
Any phone numbers?
Not one?
Not one.
Nobody wants to call.
Bullshit.
We covered all the subjects.
They don't need us.
There's nobody?
They're all asleep.
I put them to sleep.
The problem is everybody, they're all obsessed with Ben.
They only want to hear from Ben and hear him talk about real estate because they're fascinated by his.
His net worth and his outgoing personality.
Yeah.
They think he's the smartest person on earth.
That may be true, but he has no friends.
He says that himself that he has no friends.
Oh, but he doesn't care.
No, he doesn't care.
He doesn't care.
And, you know, that's fine.
It works for him.
Before you met him on the podcast, when you came on the first podcast at his house, you had been watching like a couple life for sale episodes.
And then when you met him on the podcast, and we did like a, whatever it was, a 45 minute to an hour long podcast.
You had an epiphany about Ben.
And what was it?
You said to me that he didn't translate or something like that.
No.
When I first saw your videos, I thought Ben was Gandalfi from Sopranos.
Sopranos.
Because I thought his guy's a great actor.
Then when I met him, I thought he's just a putz.
And you're the great videographer, you're the great director and producer.
You were using a guy.
To showcase your incredible storytelling.
And you made Ben bigger than life.
And that's hard to do because he can't even look down and see his penis for the last 15 years.
That's true.
So, I mean, you're the reason that he is who he is on the internet.
On the internet.
But not if it had been someone else, he wouldn't have been anything because they wouldn't have gotten an audience.
Yeah.
You took a.
It's an interesting insight coming from you.
A pig's ear to make a silk purse.
I feel like that.
A pig's ear to a silk purse.
Yeah.
Well, it's, it's, it's, he's not that complex.
He's a really simple.
Yeah.
And his real estate acumen is so basic that you could buy a book.
He's just, because he's bombastic, overbearing, and looks larger in life because you've made him look larger in life.
People find him appealing because the whole interest of society now is to be famous and rich and neither make any difference to your wife or your children.
And that's the only thing that matters in life your wife and children.
What they think of you matters.
And sometimes that doesn't matter.
I mean, because you can't always make people happy.
They can say, well, I don't like my dad.
Well, that's tough.
You only get one.
Father's Cheap Nature00:09:25
My dad and mine died when I was 12.
When you don't have, and I think that you know, Ben's root cause is he didn't have a father, so he acts out.
That's his whole thing, he's that way.
Well, he's exactly like his mother, who's a psychopath, really.
Yeah, he literally is like the male version of his mother.
So he's just working on being a psychopath, he's just a sociopath, so yeah, working his way up, right?
Exactly.
I mean, that's how the ladder climbing the ladder, he's climbing the ladder, yeah.
No, but that's the biggest revelation I had with Ben was that when I met his mom.
I realized he is so much fucking like his mom.
But she had no father to backhand him and say, don't do this.
Well, he had a father, but he, in his own words, he says his father had no backbone.
His father was, you know, was cheap.
He was like a, I don't know what you would call it.
He was spineless or he didn't have balls.
He said, that's what he said.
How long did he know him?
When he was five?
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess they split up at one point, but he said, my dad had no balls.
Where is he?
Tried to pinch every penny.
He died, yeah, a couple years ago when he was like 93 or something like that.
Well, he did pretty good.
Yeah.
I hope to get shot in the back at 98 by a jealous husband.
What?
I want to get.
That's how I want to go.
That's how you want to go?
98 and shot in the back by a jealous husband.
That's a good way to go.
You got to go sometime.
Yeah.
You got to help people.
You got to do things.
You know, Jack goes and works with kids on the beach for free on.
Like tonight and Thursdays, hundreds of kids come up and he spends time with them.
And he doesn't need to do that.
Turner, he's given out hundreds of thousands of charity.
My daughter worked with kids for years in teaching them drama and that type of thing.
And Pierce is nice to everyone.
Everyone loves Pierce.
And that's what matters is what you give back, not what you take, how much your house is.
And the only reason Ben bought that big house is when I went to his house, he goes, Where do you live?
And I go, I live on the front row.
I'm on the beach, and you're in the back row here in the backwater.
And I think that burned his butt.
And he said, I got to get to the front row.
But he doesn't walk down the beach.
I've never seen him walk down.
I bet he's never walked down the beach.
He doesn't leave the patio.
Yeah.
He doesn't touch the sand.
Tell him I'll come over and blow up his house.
He's not that far from you.
He literally lives.
I've walked past his house a billion times.
I mean, all he did is, you know, he took it from a broke baseball player.
Yeah.
Nobody else would step up to the plate.
And he'll flip it and he won't even care.
People like the baseball player that he took the house, that he bought the house from, Ryan Howard, who make shitloads.
He was like one of the highest paid, if I'm not mistaken.
He got one of the highest contracts in Major League Baseball.
One of the highest paying contracts.
But if you don't have it invested and you're just spending it.
But now I think he's an analyst for ESPN.
Yeah, he makes a couple million.
And he had to get rid of the house.
So it's saying that maybe he didn't invest it wisely.
Well, he invested it in the house.
In the house.
Right.
I mean, to his credit, He was building it when the crash came, and he literally held up hundreds of guys' livelihoods.
All the trucks would be there all the time working when there was no work in construction.
So, I mean, he actually helped the economy out for a lot of guys.
Yeah.
You know, in a very tough time.
And he built a beautiful house.
It is.
But he, you know, I mean, Beautiful McMansion.
I mean, Turner's.
Going to have investments and he is investing and he has very smart money managers and he's not going to go down that route because, like, Turner's money came so, you know, this year came so quick.
It was like a lottery.
You know, it's a lottery.
You don't have it.
It wasn't like.
What's his tax bracket?
What's he got to pay back?
40%?
I assume.
I don't talk to the accountants.
I don't.
I honestly, I put him with, I bring in the right people.
Mm hmm.
They're money managers, top money managers at Merrill Lynch, Bank of America.
We're not dealing with Joe Blow out of Hollywood who says, I'm good with money, or Bernie Madoff.
We're dealing with straight line and people that have lots of money recommended them.
You know what I mean?
And he's not in any risk.
He owns, like, they bought him.
I saw this come by.
They bought him farm.
Farm shares.
Yeah, I'm using farm.
What's going to happen next year when the election is all the farm states will get a huge amount of money from the government.
Why?
Well, because he needs those states.
Okay.
And I called the guy and said, Why'd you buy that?
I said, Is this the reason?
And he goes, It's real quiet.
Well, that could be the reason.
I said, I guess they hit that on the head.
Wow.
See, and when you're up way up, you look at things a different way.
Yeah.
And you know that money's going to flow a different way.
It's kind of like the wizard of Omaha, whatever that guy, Berkshire Hathaway, the richest man in the world.
Yep.
What people don't understand all these environmentalists were out there screaming, we don't want the Keystone pipeline.
This is terrible.
And they made Obama say, oh, we're not going to bring oil down from Canada to the refineries.
We don't want the Keystone pipeline.
Right.
Well, guess why?
Why?
Obama's best friend was Berkshire Hathaway, this guy who owns the railroads.
And he was shipping all the oil the most dangerous way into possible 100 freight cars full of crude down to the refineries.
And he didn't want the pipeline because that cut out his railroads.
But they made it out like they're environmentally sensitive.
So, you just all you need is the information, it's all there, and you connect the dots, right?
But they made it.
I was environmental.
We got a couple phone numbers.
You want to do like two calls?
Are they single?
We'll find out.
Okay, not men.
I'm sorry, it's nothing personal, dude.
On the uh, they're gonna call people, you know.
I was in the pay phone, make sure it's connected to Bluetooth.
People don't even know what a pay phone is.
I was in the.
Nowadays, nobody knows what the hell.
Here's where I put in payphones.
My white self.
Yeah.
South Central LA.
In Compton.
Inglewood.
Compton.
The worst areas in the middle 80s, late 80s.
Killing people, everything.
I was dealing with gangbangers all the time.
I can still to this day read graffiti.
You were physically installing them on the streets?
Oh, yeah.
And they'd come up and they'd go.
You know, and what I learned is I was a minority there.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
You know, and but you know, I went to integrated schools from the time I was in eighth grade, so I get along with everybody.
And they come up and they'd start in on me, they're trying to see.
And I go, I'm putting a phone in, it's got the phone number on it, it rings in because nobody allowed the phones to ring in because they didn't want it.
And I'd say, Here's your office, guys.
Everyone loved my phones.
And I also charged 20 cents.
Everyone charged a quarter and they said, Why?
I said, The perception of value.
They're putting a quarter in, but it says 20 cents.
See what I mean?
And a nickel today doesn't mean anything, but in those days it meant a little bit.
Yeah.
You want to call Ben?
Why?
Of course they want Ben.
Who cares?
Yeah, call him.
I'll put a blimp suit on and sell Danny.
Danny, Danny, I don't even know what the fuck I'm here for.
You're fucking nothing.
You're a fucking idiot.
You got me on here.
All the time.
What else?
Nothing.
I don't know why I'm on here.
I got this dumbass always asking me dumbass questions.
I don't know why I'm doing it.
Why do I do this for you?
I don't see why I do it for you.
The $400 Amazon Prime Comment00:05:40
Snap on tools.
Who is this?
Adam Woolack from New Jersey.
Adam Woolack from New Jersey.
I like snap on tools.
Love it.
Are you calling to talk to Tfue's dad?
Well, you know, kind of, but I kind of miss Ben and Jimmy, and your shows are amazing.
Deckhands is amazing.
Ben, it's just hilarious, but I'm into video games a little bit.
Okay, that's who he is, right?
Uh, his father, uh, yeah, his father Tfue is the video game guy, yes.
This is his father.
So, do you want to play video games?
You want to make money playing video games?
No, no, I just watch people that do it, I'm just so amazed, like how people can actually do that and, um, you know, make money doing that.
It's just amazing.
It is amazing, isn't it?
Especially that Twitch.
Do you have any information about that Twitch?
Like how it works and how you do make money doing that?
Yeah.
You go on Twitch and you create an account so you can game.
And then when you get like, I don't know, 500, then you can monetize it.
This is how it works.
You have an Amazon Prime?
I do.
I do.
Okay.
You have within Amazon Prime, you can.
Go on a Twitch channel like my son's, and you can watch him.
But if you want to talk to him, you have to be subscribed.
Well, Amazon Prime gives you one free subscription.
So you could go on my son's channel while you're watching him, and then you could subscribe.
He makes $4.50 from Amazon, and you're able to tag.
How long does this subscription last?
Per month.
You have to reopen every month.
Yeah.
But you can buy multiple items.
But it's free for all the kids.
And so what the kids do is they get their parents to say, oh, I don't care.
It's free.
It's within the $110 or whatever, $120.
And Ninja became the expert because he saw this and because they opened it up, they said they'd give free to, you know, they could increase Twitch viewership.
So.
He saw this as a great opening and got kids to talk to their parents, and he was making a million a month last year.
Wow.
Yeah, I saw my friend's kids.
They're just sitting in front of the computer, and I'm wondering, why are you watching someone play video games and just watching them, you know, when you can be playing it yourself?
Yeah, I mean, to us as adults, I'd rather watch paint dry.
Yeah, like maybe to learn.
I don't know why these kids are doing it.
Well, in my kids' case, he's an entertainer.
So they go there to listen and be entertained.
Yeah.
And talk to, and they to the, because I don't know how it's hard if he's playing the video game, right?
And how can he communicate back on the screen and read the comments?
It's all a chat room.
It's like a chat type thing.
But he's so good, he'll look over at the chat and he'll make a remark once in a while.
But a lot of the kids, they're talking to each other too.
Somebody will make a comment and the other kid will make a comment back to him.
So there's a lot of interaction between the comments.
And then they can, this is the nuttiest thing because I walked in his room a couple years ago and I saw on the screen donation, $400.
And after he was done, I said, Yeah, I saw it.
I said, Wait a minute.
What did that mean?
He says, This guy gave me $400.
Someone just gave him $400.
So I said, Are you meeting him in a park later?
And I was serious.
I was like, I was concerned.
And he said, No, they donate.
I said, This is high tech begging.
That's the way I look at it, honestly.
And what does the guy that gave the $400 get out of that?
Nothing.
Whatever his name is, let's say it's because they all have pseudonyms, is Joe's Bar and Grill or Sam the Killer, goes on the screen and it stays on the screen.
So the approbation is seeing their name on his channel.
I mean, it's kind of a thin thing we live in these days.
I mean, that's the most bizarre.
I mean, the other day.
He came, he jumps out the window of the house occasionally.
And we're on a first floor, but it's still concrete.
So I was standing outside and he came flying out the window.
I'm like, what?
And he hurt himself.
And I go, what'd you do that for?
And he says, somebody gave me $2,500.
Oh, someone gave him $2,500 to do that on the channel.
And I said, can Nate give me that?
I'll jump out of the window all day.
I'll do it all night.
You know, I've never gotten $400 given to me.
You know, it's a crazy world.
Hey, Danny, did you ever hear of the Del Rey Misfits or Jason Genova?
Five Buck Window Jump00:02:53
No.
Who is that?
They do a fitness YouTube, and this guy, Jason Genova, makes these YouTube videos for like 10 years.
And he's kind of like slow and has all of them, but he has a big following.
He uses that Twitch, and people, Like, make fun of him on there, but they donate and they try to get him, you know, to jerk off, to get naked, you know, like that.
They embarrass him.
Yeah, I've heard about how they, but see, he's obviously a great guy because he's figuring you can say whatever the hell you want as long as I get paid.
Can't do that shit on Twitch, though.
Right.
He wants that five buck, you know, five buck, five buck coming in, five buck coming in, but he's very, he's not good at the game.
You know, he's just doing it because he wants to make money.
Because he gets the money and people just be raving.
If he's got a handicap like that, God love him.
I find the people offensive, but the kids found a way to make a living from his own handicap.
And he's willing to take it.
That's cool.
I hope he's well grounded because he's not going to take it.
And now you were saying about Amazon.
You were talking about Amazon.
I mean, Amazon owns Snapchat.
Yeah, I have a snap on tool franchise.
So I sell snap on tools, but I'll sell anything else.
You know, if a customer wants a different brand, it's gotten so bad that I bought stuff on Amazon, you know, for the customer and just sold, you know, raised the price a little bit just to compete with the other markets out there.
That's how bad it's getting that I have to go on Amazon, buy different brands, and sell that.
You can also look into reselling on Amazon where you don't even touch the equipment.
There's a bunch of companies and guys will buy.
From Amazon.
Yeah, I saw that.
And they're reselling it.
No, they're not getting the actual stuff.
They're using the stock from Amazon, changing the name and description, and they don't do anything.
Amazon sends it out, ships it, and you're making five bucks on it.
Just arbitrage.
Yeah.
Wow.
And you're smart enough.
You've been in the game.
You could probably make a living.
Yeah.
Yeah, I see.
You could buy those mystery packages too, or you can buy returned products on Amazon, like a whole bunch of, for like a hundred bucks, you can get a whole bunch of products or auctions that they do or something like that.
Maybe that's eBay where you buy all this stuff that's been returned and then you can resell it or maybe just keep it for yourself and it could be worth a lot more.
They just don't want to send it back or throw it out or something like that.
Yeah.
Yep.
It's amazing, isn't it?
Cool, man.
Thanks for the call.
Thanks For The Call00:01:59
Hey, Danny.
I was just in Clearwater because they said that you guys just got rated number one beaches in the U.S.
So I had to go check it out on the 4th of July weekend and it was amazing.
I stayed at the, what was that?
San Paul?
Not the Sheridan.
Shepherds Inn or something like that.
Oh, yeah, Shepherds, yeah.
That's Dick's friend.
And I walked all the way down to try to find Ben's house, but I think it was just too far.
I turned around.
You had to walk on water.
You had to walk on water because he's across the bay.
He's over the bridge.
Yeah.
He's on Bel Air Beach.
Oh, that's right next to Indian Rocks Beach.
You were about a mile and a half south.
Yep.
Oh, a mile.
A mile more south.
That's awesome.
Yeah, almost.
Yep.
Well, good luck with your son, Danny.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
All your shows are amazing.
Deckhands should definitely have turned into a series.
I understand that they don't want Ben because of the way he talks and stuff like that, but Deckhands could have definitely been a series.
Well, it was a series, it was a YouTube series, and I think it couldn't live anywhere but YouTube, maybe HBO, but we're making a Tfue movie next, so stay tuned.
That'd be awesome.
I just spilled the beans.
Maybe a Deckhands.
And we'll have Ben out slapping.
I'll bring Ben on.
We're going to have Ben go over to Tfue's house, and then Ben and Dick are going to wrestle.
They're going to wrestle.
In oil, on a trampoline.
Jimmy Hart on the podcast next.
Jimmy Hart, Ben, and Tfue.
That's a good idea.
Yeah, that'll be great.
And that guy from Deck Hands.
That'd be amazing.
Yeah, Shane Lee.
Thank you.
All right, thanks a lot, man.
Take care, guys.
Well, thanks for coming on the podcast.
We talked about some great things.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom and your knowledge with us.