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Aug. 14, 2025 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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Lifting the Veil on the Left's Lawfare, Interview with Breitbart Editor in Chief Alex Marlow Triggered Ep267
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Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
Today, we'll have a fan favorite, Alex Marlow, will be back on the show.
He wrote Breaking the News, Breaking Biden, and is now out with the book, Breaking the Law.
Today, we'll expose the apparatus behind all of the coordinated hoaxes and the corruption.
We'll name names, we'll follow the money trail, and move our country one step closer to getting some real justice for those who deserve it.
Because what the left is doing isn't just random chaos, guys.
It's a coordinated lawfare machine built to destroy the values that made this nation great.
So, we'll get into all of that with Breitbart News editor-in-chief, Alex Marlowe, in just moments.
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Guys, joining me now, the author of the brand new book, Breaking the Law, Breitbart News Editor-in-Chief, Alex Marlowe.
Alex, great to have you back, buddy.
Don, always nice to be on with you, especially on this topic.
Well, there's a lot to talk about.
I mean, we've talked a lot about sort of the fake news media.
We've talked a lot about the deep state.
But in this new book, Breaking the Law, you really take it all even further in trying this coordinated campaign of lawfare altogether.
How do you approach putting this book together?
Yeah, well, first of all, for me, I realized that I couldn't even keep all of the major cases straight that you and your family were going through, especially your father, obviously.
And he was asked to go through six major cases.
There were actually ancillary cases too.
There are six major cases all at the same time, all in an election year.
And unless you're, you know, someone who is a, you know, a Mike Davis or a Megan Kelly or someone who's like a professional legal pundit, Jonathan Turley, you know, you can keep all six of them straight.
And I'm thinking, so how are we supposed to fully understand the extent of the lawfare, what was done?
And so I methodically went through, I went through the whole history of lawfare, starting with Franklin Roosevelt.
Try to go through that as quickly as I can.
And then really focus on all of those six cases.
And Don, I found two things in every one of the six major cases against you guys that I saw, two things that are really interesting.
They were all way more, I would say, punitive, way more directed, way more political than I even anticipated.
And all of them had ties to Joe Biden's White House to one degree or another.
It was clear election interference.
It was designed to destroy the life of your father and your family members.
And they've gotten away with it to this point.
There's been no accountability.
Luckily, we've seen some investigations announced, but the thought that this could go on, this country is beneath our country and there needs to be accountability.
Yeah, no, I'm not a lawyer, but I feel like I've played one on TV because when you're attacked that much, you sort of learn all aspects of law that you had probably no interest in learning before.
I understood corporate law.
I understood real estate law.
I understood the things that were relevant to my business.
But when it becomes time to defend yourself against treason, a crime punishable by death, it changed the game a lot for me.
Yeah.
So for me, I am a student of Andrew Breitbart.
I was his first employee 17 years ago.
And Andrew focused during his time on Earth on the three core cultural institutions that he believe were guiding our politics.
He's famous for the Quo Politics's downstream of culture.
And so what he was talking about was the entertainment media, Hollywood, et cetera, the news media, the establishment news media, and academia.
So we basically neutralized the entertainment media.
Now basically all of the, you know, the Rosie O'Donnells of the world are there to entertain people like you and me in our shows.
You know, the movies are getting less woke and no one's going to the movies anyway.
So we did that.
The establishment news media, never been so disgraced.
Even Jeff Bezos himself, who owns the Washington Post, said journalism is the least trusted profession in the country.
So we've neutralized them.
Academia, we're doing well.
We don't have enough alternatives, but we've Hillsdale, we've PragerU, we've a couple of things.
But basically, a college degree matters less than ever has.
So we're doing so well.
But the left didn't stop.
They kept opening up new fronts.
The first front was the corporate boardrooms.
The next front is lawfare.
And that's really what they've been using to try to win politically because their politicians are terrible.
They're not charismatic.
Their ideas are terrible.
And they lost all those cultural strangleholds.
So that's why I wanted to focus on a lawfare because that is the biggest threat to us at the moment.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I always say, you know, their ideas are terrible, but they're really good at coming up with the next thing.
And we always feel like we're playing catch up.
Yeah.
How do we ever get ahead of that game?
You know, like I said, you had sort of the weaponization of media.
You're right.
That's dead.
You see, it doesn't seem like a coincidence to me, but the second USAID was killed, all of a sudden, all these sort of left-wing provocateurs on TV that are, you know, basically activists paid to be comedians, not so funny, as evidenced by their ratings and how much they lost.
All of a sudden, they're all getting canceled.
It's almost like the slush fund disappeared.
So we're no longer going to subsidize their propaganda.
But they are really good at evolving and adapting and changing.
They went to lawfare.
I've always said, hey, I'd love to have a level playing field, but as long as that's not going to be the case, we better be playing the same game as them.
Meaning, I don't care if we're playing T-ball or hardball, but if they're playing hardball, we better damn well be playing the same game.
How do we catch up on the lawfare side?
I don't want to take eight, 10 years, 15 years, whatever it took us to sort of beat down those other four, your other three major branches of propaganda till we figure out this one.
And by then they'll be on the next thing.
So how do we get ahead of that game to slow down that curve a lot faster?
And what do you think is next for them?
Yeah, I think for starters, just being diligent and paying closer attention.
And I know that's something that we try to do at Breitbart News.
You try to do this very well.
Your father's obviously great at it, but you're trying to understand where the threats are coming from.
But then once we identify really actually dealing with them, and that's why I'm so heartened, it's an amazing week because we saw announcements of special prosecutor into Jack Smith and then a DOJ investigation into Letitia James, who were two of the villains of breaking the law.
But I mean, they're two of 24 villains.
I mean, there should be another half a dozen investigations.
And I make recommendations at Breitbart.com this week on where they should go next.
Judge Wad Rashan's got to come up pretty soon.
It's Judge Lewis Kaplan.
There's a bunch of names that you'll hear that need to be investigated, ought to be investigated.
But one thing that is really important, we're also talking about a Russiagate these days.
The convicted felon branding that your father has to endure from the Stormy Daniels, Not a Hush Money case, the fake records case, all of that has to do with Michael Cohen and the fact that the DOJ and then the Southern District of New York got access to his Gmail account because of the Russia collusion hoax.
They would not have been able to win that case if not for access to Michael Cohen's information that they got from the fake Russia collusion hoax.
If we had somehow been able to stop the Russian collusion hoax in the crib and had not spun out of control the way it had, the convicted felon branding never would have happened.
And it wouldn't have had to distract your dad, who can still appeal and probably will and will probably win eventually.
But you got to think about that.
Wouldn't have to think about it at all if not for the fake Russia collision.
But it's hard to win in the Southern District of New York, right?
You could be right.
It doesn't matter.
You saw the judges in those cases.
You know, the daughter is one of the biggest fundraisers for the Democrat Party.
You know, it's the kind of things that if we were doing it, it would be a serious problem.
But for them, it's like it's just another Tuesday.
Think about Letitia James, how overt she was and the fact that she said that Donald Trump is the single biggest threat to our country.
And she basically stopped trying to pursue normal crime in order to focus solely on Donald Trump.
Alvin Bragg campaigned on that he'd sued Trump 100 times, which is not true.
He hadn't, but he said so in order to try to win his race.
All of these people, Fonnie Willis did the same thing in Georgia, that she campaigned on beating Donald Trump.
And that this wasn't just tolerated.
This was celebrated.
This was funded.
And I named the funders, of course.
The people who would say these things would get their campaigns bankrolled.
This is a complete travesty and it's blatantly anti-democratic.
All these guys say that they're the stewards of democracy.
That's not democracy.
Yeah, let's not forget.
Letitia James said he's the biggest threat to demographics.
She's going to go after him while she was campaigning before she actually had any access to information.
She just threw it out there because, hey, that's going to be popular in a sort of a uni party state like New York, especially in New York City.
The other thing I want investigated is that Tish James went to the White House at least three times during this.
The Reid Hoffman who bankrolled the Eugene Carroll, or as your dad calls her, the woman, the woman case, which is completely absurd.
And if people read my telling on that case, if you're not laughing, then we don't share the same sense of humor.
It's so ridiculous when you're done getting through all of her claims that you can't help but laugh at it.
Reid Hoffman is funding it.
He's at the White House five times in 2022 alone.
Nathan Wade, who was Fonnie Willis' boyfriend, he's at the White House twice, two eight-hour meetings.
Don, he was a family lawyer.
He was doing divorces and prenups, and he finds himself on a RICO case trying to take out the most powerful man in the world.
And he's getting White House visits and no one's even asking what they're talking about during these visits.
Are they trying to rig our election?
Are they trying to subvert our democracy?
Are they coordinating in a way that clearly is a conspiracy against rights?
I think so.
And that's why all these people need to be held to account or else we're running the risk is going to happen again.
I mean, Alex, you've written about the media and breaking down the Biden family corruption.
Now you're focusing on the legal system.
In your mind, how troubling is it that these institutions, the media, the political establishment and the courts all have been caught acting as arms of the far left-wing Democrat Party.
And what's been the trajectory of that since January 20th?
Are we making any gains against this madness or is it just sort of a push-stall tactic right now till they have someone that perhaps has less of a soapbox or is less willing to fight the way that they fight, et cetera?
Yeah.
It's, oh man, it's such a great question.
We have to be in a wartime footing because we can't let our guard down and we have to assume that they're sharpening their blade.
They're going to have another great charismatic, persuasive candidate who's going to captivate people's attention with great ideas down the pike, that they'll never run out of money, that they'll never run out of energy.
We have to assume that because if we rest on our laurels and if we feel like, well, we've got a great bench, we're all organized, we're all fun now.
They even gave us Sidney Sweeney for free.
We didn't even ask.
They just said, here, take her.
It's like, you guys can have her.
It's like, she's a hot blonde.
Why don't you, she's no place with us.
We're here for Rosie and Kathy Griffin.
That's what we're all about.
But doesn't it say something that they, I mean, that they can't comprehend that, like, I don't know, like people may be attracted to attracted people.
Like the fact that they can't even get that, but they had no problem force feeding us like some sort of, you know, trans whale, you know, in what's supposed to be, you know, sexy stuff or athletic wear.
And it, you know, someone who's 400 pounds overweights, you know, clearly healthy in their mind.
I mean, does not, I mean, I feel like this is a battle we should be able to win.
I mean, if politics is downstream of culture, and I agree with Andrew Byrd 100% on that, if they still can't comprehend that, how is it that we can't win this?
I mean, is it just that we're just not fighting the same way?
We're still not accustomed to, you know, everything we've seen for the last 10 years hasn't changed our mindset.
Because I mean, I guess I'm a fighter, but I come from a sort of a line of fighters.
I didn't probably realize I was a fighter until they tried to throw me in jail for bullshit.
But it didn't stop them.
And your family comes up in so many of these cases where not just your dad, it's his most ardent supporters and it's his family members.
I mean, they're trying to get all you guys.
And I would love to, that's why I was saying to you, Avir, I want to interview you on it.
I want to hear what your experience was because it seems so much worse to me having gone through it as a person who was obviously a observer of this and someone who understands it as Edward Breitbart, but did not have all the detail.
Now they have all the detail.
I honestly can't believe how you guys made it.
It was such a political persecution.
It is historic.
This is sort of a historical document I put together in the sense that I've never seen anything like this in this country.
I mean, this has been decades and decades and decades since we've seen anything like this level of persecution.
And that Donald Trump won an election during all this.
Completely crazy, completely crazy this happened.
Miraculous.
I'll tell you, it was divine intervention.
I talked to your dad about this numerous times since the Butler shooting.
Clearly, divine intervention.
Anyone who disagrees with that is just completely blind, in my opinion.
But to answer your question, which is such an important question, what do we do?
And I think that staying on that wartime footing is really big, but also we should keep having fun because they're so weak.
We should keep running up the score, keep enacting the best parts of our agenda, restore law and order, get the border under control.
Is he the fact that today we're talking about this with this announcement that Trump's going to try to make DC great again?
I lived in DC.
DC should be great.
It could be an iconic city.
It's naturally very beautiful.
It's got our monuments there.
It's got our museums there.
It's got the DC Falls are amazing.
The DC Springs are amazing.
Why give up on that place?
We shouldn't.
So Donald Trump doesn't want to.
That's awesome.
We should be doing that and controlling the narrative in that way.
And if we do that, they're going to have a really hard time coming back.
But don't underestimate how organized and how well-funded they are because they're both of those things and they're not going to stop.
They care about politics more than you and me.
You've got a bunch of kids, Don.
You like to be hunting.
You like to be growing businesses.
I got a bunch of kids.
I want to play some golf.
I want to watch some movies.
They don't think that way.
No, they just want to take away your freedoms.
That is their passion, their vocation, their hobby, all wrapped up into one.
But you're right that we have to have some fun in this process.
Last week, I posted up a meme on Instagram.
It was my father throwing a green dildo onto a WNBA court from the roof of the White House.
I mean, it was just a play on what was going on with the WNBA, which I think probably the greatest thing to happen to WNB ratings since Caitlin Clark, Dildo Gate, I guess.
And CNN did an entire segment on it.
Like, it's serious.
Like, they can't, you know, how disgraceful.
They literally can't even step back and have fun for a moment, even on something so absurd.
You know, it makes it feel like if we play that game, you know, especially for the youth vote and people who are like, okay, you know what?
I don't have to agree.
Not everything has to be coup.
Not everything has to go some sort of level of decorum.
They certainly don't play that way, but they're incapable of humor at this point.
I have, I'll tell you how overwhelmed they are, Don.
That on my podcast, I said that I bought my seven-year-old WNBA tickets and I bought an unnamed green sex toy to bring to specifically to throw it onto the court.
I'm trying to get the Soros-funded freaks to write something about how insane the Breitbart editor is.
And they don't have time because they're too overwhelmed.
Well, I want to thank CNN for the free promotion of my Instagram account and a general sense of humor, but I'm like, man, it's like, I can't believe they actually spoke about it.
It's sort of amazing.
And they took the bait entirely.
Yeah, you've got a little higher profile than I do, but mine's pretty high and they missed it.
And I was hoping they'd give me a hard time.
Look at how this horrible, you know, Breitbart dad, what he's doing, which I did not do that.
I just, I just rented him the moon bounce with the water slide on it.
Well, listen, Alex, now that they're not allowing bags into the WNBA game, if you want to play the green sex toy game, there's going to be, there's a level of commitment that I'm not quite sure I'm willing to make to get to make that happen, as funny as it may be.
So, you know, I guess they're stepping up their countermeasures.
But to tie this to Andrew, Andrew dreamed of a conservative movement in a Republican Party that's fun.
He dreamed of a Republican Party where the left was the joyless scolds and we were the ones who were having a great time with the best memes and the hottest chicks.
And the left seems to be trying to deliver that for us right away.
They're so sad.
They're so glum.
I like to check in with Pod Save America from time to time, which used to be kind of a cool left-wing podcast for like 20 minutes, but then they got so full of themselves and they took themselves so seriously and they got so angry and so smug.
And they just look so sad now every time they're forced to podcast.
And you see stuff like that.
You see all the Rosie O'Donnell videos.
I can't get enough of these videos.
She's so sad.
They're all so sad.
And in the meantime, we're just running up the score and having fun doing it.
And that's the mindset we need to keep.
Think of Andrew Breitbart.
Whenever you're deciding, should we be having fun now or not?
The answer is fun.
And that's part of what Donald Trump's charisma is all about.
It's about he's a fun guy.
He's a great hang.
Yeah.
And he's got a real sense of humor.
I mean, you could see that even from 1516, you know, they take something he said, you know, and when you put it in print and you change the punctuation a little bit, it's like, wow, that's, but then you see the video.
It's like, oh, like he's so clearly joking.
Everyone gets it, but for them, you know, wantonly sort of disregarding the obvious humor in it.
But he's a unique character, right?
He's not a politician.
He doesn't care about those norms.
He'll do that.
Do you think the Republican Party can continue that after Trump?
Or do you go back to sort of the humorless kind of Mitt Romneys of the world, the Liz Cheneys of the world, where we get back into that Rigmarole where we're playing that same glum game as them?
I think we have a bench that can probably do it, but Trump's a unique guy.
Do you think they can handle that and keep it going?
I think that that's a big fear.
And I think that there's some that's definitely characteristics we need to keep an eye on as a movement because part of what I think the you know, I was very vocal about praising the podcast strategy at the end of the 2024 election.
When I saw that happening, talk about one of those things where it's good to get out ahead of stuff.
That was a positive one where I was trying to be very vocal and to tell people, no, this is a big deal.
That Trump is going around these comedians' podcasts, JD was as well, and showing up on these podcasts and trying to reach people who are sort of maybe interested in politics, but aren't going to sit down and listen to a political show or go to Breitbart's front page or something like that.
Maybe that's not who they are, but we can still reach those people.
That's so important to do.
And we've got to make sure that we're not losing sight of that.
And that's part of the conscientious strategy.
It's not an accident.
We're not stumbling into it.
That's on purpose.
If we do that, we have a big advantage because most of them aren't fun.
They have a couple of fun people, but overall, they're mostly very upset, very angry, very old.
And that's an advantage we've got to preserve.
It feels like their Fun people aren't allowed to be fun because, you know, if you are that person, you're not going to get the funding required from New York City, Los Angeles, sort of the big money apparatus because you have to believe that a three-year-old should be able to change their gender without parental consent.
And you must believe that men should be playing in women's sports.
And if you don't, or if you have even a reasonable approach on any of these things, you're sort of out of that money apparatus, which makes all of that political stuff work for them.
Yeah, I think that's a big thing.
So, but what are they going to do?
You know, they spend $20 million on the consultants to try to help them win back the young male vote.
And then what's the first thing they do afterwards is they just, they take a hot chicken jeans and just declare she's a Nazi and anyone who supports her is a Nazi.
And then they went out and they actually.
Well, Alex, her initials are SS.
So she must, I mean, she must be.
I mean, she must be.
That was the dog whistle.
It's all coded.
Yeah, it's all coded.
It's all code.
No, but this is what I learned at Berkeley.
It's just, it's all code.
Everything is a code for something.
Nothing's literal.
It's all just coded racism.
And that's how the whole culture.
I still find it hard to believe you went to Berkeley.
Oh, I went on purpose, baby.
It was fun.
It was, it was good.
I was causing problems and learning a lot about the left, learning about that they have this really joyless mean side.
And it's one of those things where we can capitalize on this and we should.
And the other thing that they did was no one just took a mea culpa on that and say, we shouldn't have done that and criticize their own side.
You see the Pot Save America fools saying that, no, you guys on the right blew it out of proportion.
No, man, we've got TikTok.
You can see it.
There was one post after the next saying this is Nazi propaganda.
It was nonstop.
And they're trying to gaslight us and act like we're not witnessing with our own two eyes what we're seeing.
They've lost it.
They've completely lost it.
Yeah, they may not be happy that they created the monster, but they definitely created the monster.
They created it.
The monster got created by them.
And so they're going to have to recuperate.
So the question is, can we lock in the agenda during this time?
The good thing for about us or the good thing for us is that Donald Trump is compulsively hyperactive in terms of getting his agenda done.
I think this works for a couple of reasons.
First of all, he just loves life and that's what you do.
But second of all, controls the media narrative.
So that's a double win.
So that strategy, move fast and break stuff, that strategy is really important.
We got to keep that going.
And then during that time, we need to be very vigilant about recruiting.
So that's why I say warfooting, making sure we're reaching out to all the coalitions.
And you do that with promises made, promises kept.
And that's why the Epstein stuff was such a disaster, even though I don't think most people care about Epstein nearly as much as the online right.
But the problem with it was they promise something and the rollout gets botched and then people get disappointed and they get worried.
Are you going to break my heart too?
And that's the type of lesson we got to take that we can't do that again.
We can't make those mistakes.
If we can avoid those mistakes while running up the score, I think we're going to continue to pull people in to the point where people remember they voted for Trump, even if they didn't.
Yeah, no, I think that makes a lot of sense.
I mean, maybe to just circle back to the book, you know, it gets into the superstructure of donors and activists behind all of the madness as well.
Can you pull back the curtain for us?
And, you know, you talked about Reid Hoffman, obviously, but what are some of the other key players and organizations that are funding the lawfare and making that happen?
Yeah, I'm glad you asked about this because I think this is one that I think a lot of the audience cares about.
The number one, and it's the name that everyone knows, but it's still, I don't think people fully understand it.
And it's part of what going through the exercise of going through a book.
And I know you've done several.
I've read some of your books, Don.
They're always good.
But some things just solidify in your head.
George Soros is single-handedly responsible for the chaos in our cities.
We're talking today about DC chaos.
The reason why our cities are in chaos is because of one guy.
He buys all these elections and he installs people who do not want law and order.
They want felons on the street.
They want the law-abiding living in fear so that the criminals can run wild.
There's a guy who's not an American-born guy, who is a plutocrat billionaire, who is a committed member of the far left.
And he's destroyed our city single-handedly.
And we're very cash about it.
We act like this is some sort of fringe right-wing thing is not at all.
This is an existential threat to the United States of America from this guy.
And I put a lot of the detail on the type of money that's spent.
There's some new names that people understand.
This guy named Herb Sandler, who runs a thing called the Sandler Foundation.
If you read A story that's a hit piece on Clarence Thomas or a story that's a hit piece on Samuel Alito, somebody that's trying to make it so that if you're a conservative originalist judge or justice, that your life is a living hell.
Probably written by someone who's got money from the Sandler Foundation.
Herb Sandler was a billionaire banker, not someone who spent his time doing anything super important.
But what he did do with all the money he made is he used philanthropy.
He was the first guy to do this.
I'm a philanthropist to just fund one left-wing cause after the next, after the next.
He was before Soros at all of this?
Yeah.
Soros, he worked with Soros on a lot of stuff.
So a lot of overlap with open society.
He had given a bunch of money, like they give to the same causes.
For example, ProPublica, which is their journalism outfit, but it's not really journalism.
Journalism.
We got to use some serious air quotes of that one.
Well, it's activism where they weaponize both, you know, sort of real news is not really important or fake news, and they amplify it in order to try to create media narratives funded by both of them, Herb Sandler and Soros' Open Society.
So they work together.
You see a lot of overlap.
You know, Reid Hoffman, who I mentioned earlier, who funded the Eugene Carroll case, him and Sandler and the Sandler Foundation, him and Soros, him and Lorene Powell Jobs, who I talked to you about in past shows, who bankrolls The Atlantic and other outlets.
They all work together.
So it's really a handful of these billionaires funding dark money operations like Arabella Advisors.
And these are the things that are always funding the left-wing grassroots.
So there's always money in their coffers so that they can essentially use things like media to target people for harassment.
And it was a name I hadn't heard before, but this guy, Herb Sandler, the Sandler Foundation, funding the Center for American Progress, ACLU, Human Rights Watch, Sierra Club, one left-wing group after the next.
But that's just the ones where you can see it on paper.
You know, they're funding everything else.
They just use shell companies and dark money and a huge apparatus that they've created in order to funnel money into lawfare.
The last one I'll bring up for now, and then I'm sure you'll want to talk about some of this.
But David Brock, guy from Media Matters, he's a guy who's a donor magnet.
If he wanted to fund a Democrat adopting Stray Cats initiative, all of a sudden the donors would be there for him.
If he funds Media Matters, he starts Media Matters.
He launched this thing called Project 65.
Don, the whole point of Project 65 is to get people who represent your father and his allies, get them debarred, literally kick them off the bar.
So not only can they not get a major white shoe, glossy law firm, they can't work at all.
And that's the stated purpose of the organization, well-funded by the same billionaires who are behind Media Matters.
That's what they're doing.
They don't want it so that we have a society where people are entitled to an attorney.
You know, you're Miranda, right?
You're entitled to an attorney.
No, they want if you get good representation and you're a conservative political figure, then you don't get to work again.
That's the whole goal of this thing.
This is why I'm saying their organization is so, so big.
It's even more vast than you would ever imagined.
So, Alex, we talked a little bit about perhaps what's next after lawfair.
You know, they evolved from sort of utilizing entertainment and media and academia and everything like that against us.
Then it went to lawfare.
But your book makes sort of bold predictions about where all the lawfare is heading.
What should an everyday person listening to this podcast be looking out for to protect themselves and their families?
Because again, I think if there's one thing we've proven is that if they can do it to Trump, they can do it to anyone.
But more importantly, if they will do it to Trump, meaning someone who has a large soapbox, has the money to fund the legal teams and the tens, hundreds of millions of dollars we've spent defending even nonsense.
It doesn't matter.
If they can go after Trump and they will, who won't they go after?
Yeah.
So I go through early on when I'm trying to set the stage for the major Trump cases in breaking the law.
I go through some of those J6 cases and they're appalling.
Some of them were people who were not even there, who maybe wandered around the Capitol peacefully, and they were hauling these guys in, waiting for them to come off of Southwest flight to the airport on the tarmac in front of their kids to haul them in.
They're that nasty and they're that vicious.
And we need to be prepared because if we ever let them in power again, that they're not just coming after Trump.
His quote, which I refer to three, four times in the book, that they're not just coming after me.
They're coming after you.
I'm just in their way.
It's completely true.
It's usually a mistake to take President Trump literally.
This time, do it because it's true.
He's just the biggest whale for them.
And all of you are absolutely would be in the crosshairs.
So, elected leaders, if you're watching this, you guys need to put pressure for investigations, hold people accountable, make people think twice before engaging in lawfare.
But for those of you who are not, you got to stay engaged civically.
We've got to vote.
We got to vote in those down ticket races.
We got to learn who the judges are, who are on the ballot, even though I know that's hard to do.
You've got to recruit family members to make sure they're voting.
They're not missing midterm elections.
The problem of lawfully, the biggest one of all, there's just too many liberals in the legal system.
There's too many liberals on the bench.
There's too many liberals in the attorney community, whatever that is.
And we need to rebalance that quickly.
You can do that with elections.
You do that with engagement.
You do with persuasion, with having the best, funniest, most interesting arguments.
Yeah, I think apathy is our biggest, the biggest threat to what we have right now.
And we saw that right after the election and some of those special elections, Wisconsin Supreme Court and stuff.
Our people were like, wait, we're getting what we want.
They're closing down the border.
They shut down this.
Egg prices are coming down.
Like, what do you mean there's an election going on?
It's like, no, you just lost control of your Supreme Court, which is going to decide redistricting.
So a state that we won, you know, six weeks later, you can literally lose that state potentially, not because people wouldn't have voted that way, but they're apathetic.
They're sitting back.
They're happy with whatever wins they're getting.
And they're not as engaged as when you're not in power.
That's the warning.
The last piece of the book, it's the sort of conclusion portion is a warning that if we let our guard down right now, if we let starting with the Russians, with Comys and the Brennans of the world, and then into the law fair with the Letitia James and the Jack Smiths and the Weimar Shawns, if they all get away with what they did, then they're just going to repeat it again.
And the only way to stop them long term is to win every single election.
We can't lose one.
We take everyone seriously.
And we can't just get fed up because maybe our favorite issue is not front burner anymore.
Maybe we got kicked to the second tier.
It's happened to all of us.
You got to be an adult.
You got to power through it and to understand that these people, the Soros-funded DAs who are controlling our crime in our streets, they're going to be in charge of the whole country if we're not careful.
Yeah, it's a scary prospect, but definitely within the realm of possibility.
I mean, if they had their way, they would certainly make that happen.
I bet we're the front line of defense against that.
But again, we have to stay engaged.
Yeah, they're very beatable, but it is, I think if you let your guard down and just have a good time right now because we're winning and we're racking up wins at a record level, then you're making a grave mistake.
I think we can have a great time while still trying to run up the score and to bust the bad guys.
So, Alex, your work at Breitbart has always really been about exposing the truth, even if it's not popular or mainstream.
What's the number one lie, you know, false flags, false narrative about the legal system that you hope breaking the law completely shatters for the American people?
Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of people think that a lot of people pursue law with the concept of law and order as the goal, that they actually like the concept of law and order.
They like the idea of democracy.
And a lot of people don't.
They're really here in the legal profession to use the law to advance a political narrative.
And that's way more common than I'd anticipated.
That huge sections of the areas that I researched just showed a deep politicization from the law schools to the bar associations to the funding mechanisms to the way these big white shoe law firms operate.
A lot of them are really looking to get political goals and to not really adhere to some sort of concept of law and order.
They see law and order as very easily malleable and it can go with the left-wing political zeitgeist.
And this goes back all the way to Franklin Roosevelt.
I chart this, that the law is basically up to interpretation for whatever the liberal vibe is at the moment.
That can be the law.
And that to me is wild because it doesn't feel like that should be a political thing.
It feels like the law should be the law.
No, that's not how much of the legal establishment feels.
And that's why we got to put them on notice.
Yeah, I mean, they do that every day with the Second Amendment, right?
I mean, shall not be infringed.
I don't feel like you have to be a brilliant legal mind or scholar to understand what that means or what the founding fathers intended.
And yet every day there's another attack on our Second Amendment rights.
Let me take it a step further.
It takes the legal training for you to argue something so absurd as the Second Amendment, which is plain as day, is not true.
No, 100%.
So, you know, of course, while we have you, we always have to have the conversation about the local stuff.
You're a California guy.
You went to Berkeley.
It's sort of hard that you could be the editor-in-chief at Breitbart with the decades of indoctrination, but we do see some of the worst forms of law affair coming from your home state of California.
What is it about California and the political machine there that seems to be at the center of every hoax, witch hunt, form of idiocy that we see out there today?
Yeah, it's become a self-fulfilling prophecy out here because the state, because it is so beautiful and because there is so much money and there's so much opportunity.
There's just great vacation destinations.
There's so many jobs with Hollywood and Silicon Valley and with the university systems that it just people just show up here.
I'm one of them.
And we moved back here because my wife got a job at a hospital connected to UCLA.
And it's just something that happens.
And then you find yourself back out here, even though you know the politics are totally toxic.
And so what that's done, and I'm part of the problem in some ways, is it's enabled the far left to dominate.
So it's a single party state with single party run cities.
If you look at it, the political gulf, the voter registration gap, I think is under 20%, Democrat to Republican.
But in terms of the elected officials, it's a gap of like 60 plus percent because just the way things are broken up, Democrats win almost every election, even though there's so many Republicans who are here.
And we Republicans who are here, we comfort ourselves enough that we end up staying and not leaving and paying into all the madness.
But then we just get overwhelmed at the polls.
So it's truly a strange existence.
But I'll tell you, Don, I have a lot of great getaways on weekends that I get to go to, so I can soothe myself a little bit.
Okay.
So what are the practical steps, whether legislatively, culturally, or otherwise, that you recommend for people who want to fight back against that level of corruption, whether it's there or elsewhere in some of these very blue states to help restore integrity to our legal system?
Yeah, it's hard to think of it that way, particularly in a state like this.
It's nice to try to make sure you're living in, if you have family, you try to live in places where you feel like they'll be protected, where they'll see equal justice under the law.
So, and that's the risk in a lot of these far left areas.
And if you rebreaking the law, you go through it, you see areas in New York and Maryland and D.C. where if you get in trouble in those areas, you're dead to rights if you're a conservative.
It's just the nature of the beast.
And that's got to be consideration when you're thinking of where to put down roots.
But longer term, we've got to be persuasive.
We got to convince people.
And we're having more children, which is good.
And I'm optimistic long term we can save things.
But there's some places, New York City looks so bleak right now.
It just looks like they look so lost.
Not just Mamdoni, but I mean, just think about the other candidates as well.
I mean, Cuomo is a horrific candidate, one of the worst ever.
Do you have a take on that race, Don?
And like, you know, he's going to take 1% of the vote, but he could split an Alvin Bragg vote to give it, yeah, he's never going to win anything.
He's got no chance.
But, you know, I guess he probably draws a little salary for running for mayor or whatever it may be.
And he'll, he'll stay in there.
So it's truly scary.
I mean, I feel like Cuomo, when he's like, well, we got to figure this out.
It's like, no, no, no, you ran already.
And listen, full disclosure, my first political fundraiser ever was for Andrew Cuomo because I was a real estate guy.
We built buildings and he was running for attorney general of New York.
And if you're going to build a building, you need the attorney general to sign off on any offering plan that you do.
So like, you know, I know some of these players well.
You know, during 16 and that term, I mean, during the beginning of COVID, really, you know, if they need, he back channeled through me because we have a bunch of friends in common and we were pretty close, even if I didn't agree with a lot of his politics.
But the difference between him and other candidates was then when he got on TV, he could not help but take the bait.
Meaning Trump could have done everything that he asked for, but he knew that if he said the opposite or if he said something against Trump on TV five minutes later, they'd give him all the clicks and likes.
And, you know, he was running, I guess, as a Cuomosexual or whatever it was at the time.
You know, it was sort of an amazing thing.
That's right.
But he couldn't help himself.
So, you know, I sort of feel like you ran in a Democratic Party, primary, you lost.
Like, let one, you know, let, you know, I guess, you know, one, one of the other guys win.
I mean, I guess the existing mayor has probably got the best chance of the remaining, but you can't have Curtis Silo in there.
You can't have, you know, Cuomo in there splitting that remaining vote because everyone's running as an independent for the sake of running.
That's not going to work.
That's a way to guarantee communism in New York.
And as a former New Yorker, as someone who still has a lot of assets there, you know, that's really scary.
But I'm also of the mindset that maybe it just has to just burn down.
Maybe they just have to destroy themselves for us to see.
Because I, you know, as bad as that is for us personally and for the place I grew up in and loved and whatever it may be, maybe it's what the country needs to see, you know, when it goes to hell in a handbasket to understand that your communism is not the answer.
These ideas are not new.
It's not different this time.
It's going to fail like it has every other time in history.
And so that's a scary notion.
You don't want to write off a place, but man, you almost don't have a choice.
Yeah, the problem is, is that people don't learn lessons.
So I'm not, I don't want to be naive about that.
I don't know if people will learn, but I, for the record, I don't think Andrew Cuomo should run anything.
I think after the nursing home policies that he had, I think his political instincts are garbage.
I think he is responsible for the death of all those seniors.
It's like, that's not forgivable for me.
So it's the, unless someone's going to come up and be better.
I mean, Mayor Adams seems like more reasonable, but he's polling at nothing.
I mean, just no one's interested.
So it's one of these things where I'm not an accelerationist for the destruction of our cities if we can help it.
If we have a realistic chance of being able to do some good, but no, I think that's my point.
I just don't know that we can help it right now.
I don't know that we have a choice.
You know, if Adams can't win and if Cuomo is going to pull out, I mean, you know, you're still going sort of the lesser of multiple evils.
You know, Cuomo versus Mandani, as bad as Cuomo was, it's sort of still a no-brainer, but I just.
Well, for me, it is a brainer because I just detest Cuomo so much.
It's such a visceral level.
What a loathsome individual.
I just have to say, there's no one I dislike more because he was getting an Emmy when he was letting all those seniors die.
And that's just crazy to me.
That is just the, that was a low moment for America that he's lying about the virus and he's getting all these seniors trapped with other seniors so they're going to die.
Well, and he also got, you know, like a five to seven million dollar, you know, book payment for a book that didn't sell any books.
And it was just like, you can see that the entire apparatus, everything else that we're talking about was at play.
I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense.
I hate that guy.
And it's just one of those things where, as a politician, I'm sure he's a lovely man.
I love the way he compliments buxom statues that he has.
He likes to say that a lot too.
So remember all this me too stuff where he was like fondling an award.
I think was he fondling his Emmy?
Is that what he was fondling?
It seems like he was fondling a lot.
I'm not, you know, I'm not entirely sure.
But yeah, for a guy that was put out there that much by the Democrat Party and then to get me too essentially, says, says all you probably have to know.
So it's sad, though, that we can't learn some of these lessons, but I'll tell you what we can do is we can hold up some of these places as an example.
And it's helpful because we're talking a lot this week about Trump trying to federalize law enforcement for DC.
And then I saw a blaring headline that, oh, he could come for LA next as an LA resident.
Good.
Please, Mr. President, get over here.
I need your help.
It'd be very nice if I could take my family to some of the areas I used to be able to go to when I was a kid around here.
Yeah.
So what is the outrage around that?
I mean, do you think that any of these Democrats that actually live in DC and are afraid of getting mugged or carjacked on a daily basis, do any of them really think it's a bad idea to actually do something about the crime in D.C.?
I know they point to like statistics and it's like all statistics.
Like it's not a statistic if you stop reporting the crimes because you know nothing's going to happen or if you're told not to report the crimes or if you change the way you know, no, no, no, well, to, you know, worry about, you know, attempted murder, like the guy has to really actually almost be dead as opposed to getting shot at multiple times and yada, yada, yada.
I mean, it seems like the crime stats themselves, if you really look at it, haven't changed, just the way they report them has changed, which allows them to come up with this notion that it's a super safe city, even though no one actually believes that.
Yeah, I think that you identify one of the tricks and I lay out how they do this in breaking the law.
And so again, thank you so much for the ability to plug it.
Don, it means a lot.
But the, I walked through how that's part of the reason why you have so much chaos is that for them to enforce the law would necessitate an uptick in crime stats.
And when you're in a single party state, you don't want that to happen because it just broadcasts to the rest of the city that you're incompetent.
So you might feel like that's a necessary evil if you've a political party who's who's confronting you on it, but there's no relevant opposition party in a lot of these cities where this is happening.
So they're single party cities.
So they basically are better off politically because their power matters more than your safety.
Their power matters more than the safety of your families.
So they're better off just not enforcing or reporting crimes.
I mean, that's the trick that they're doing.
And that's going to continue.
That's not going to stop.
But I think really my theory on why Democrats will not go along with good ideas if Donald Trump has them is cognitive dissonance.
They feel like he's wrong and I'm right.
I'm smart.
He's dumb.
I'm moral.
He's immoral.
And so there's no way that he can just come in and come up with some great idea that we could have tried 10, 20, 30 years ago and didn't and be correct about it.
They will not allow that to happen rationally.
And you can watch them work it out on CNN and MSNBC every night.
Yeah, I mean, it sort of feels like their argument about gerrymandering down in Texas where they're all up in arms, but I'm like, they didn't seem to have a problem with Massachusetts or the numerous other states where there's almost no representation because they gerrymandered the hell out of these areas where you take a major thing and you take all of the farmland and we're just going to add it in here, even though it has nothing to do and it's not contiguous.
You see some of these maps of these congressional districts and you say, how is it even possible?
And yet, if Texas does something that could even appear to be that, even if it's clearly to me, far less flagrant than anything they've done for the last few decades, now it's an outrage cycle and they just refuse to talk about what they themselves have done for that long.
Yeah, I think so.
And I think that this is a real something that I would like to be a part of the solution here, but it's so hard in the online world.
I noticed this after the Iran bombing, where a lot of my favorite people said this is going to be the beginning of World War III.
And I feel like I'm a student of Donald Trump's foreign policy, which I think got an A first administration, despite all the headwinds on foreign policy.
And I think I know where he operates.
He waited for Israel to soften the belly.
He comes in in the middle of the night, executes a perfect mission.
He takes some major nuclear capabilities offline.
He flies plane back home and everyone should pop some champagne.
And that's it.
There was no World War III.
And yet you still saw some of my favorite people online say, oh, actually, I got it right when I warned it was going to be World War III.
No, you didn't.
You airballed it.
Like, that was terrible.
Like, that was a complete brick.
You threw it off the backboard.
Didn't even hit the rib.
It's like, why announce that it was, you got it right?
Just say that that one wasn't right.
And then just move on.
But we can't do that now because it's all about declarative statement.
You got to be right all the time.
You got to act like you have all the answers or else you can't have enough online clout.
We do got to get past that a little bit because it's just not real.
And so it's not healthy.
Well, Alex, I really appreciate it, guys.
Make sure to check out Alex's new book, Breaking the Law.
Be prepared.
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Know what they're probably going to try to do to you.
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Stay engaged, involved, and let's go win.
Alex, thank you very much as always, man.
Great to have you on.
Don't say you.
And hopefully I can return the favor soon.
I look forward to it.
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