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Canada Folds, Stocks Surge, and America is Winning. Interview with Daniel Turner | Triggered Ep254
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Capitol Hill surrounding the one big beautiful bill, the BBB.
And at the center of it is energy policy and making America energy dominant again.
So today we'll get into all of that with power, all that is power, with the future founder, Daniel Turner.
Plus all the latest insanity out of New York and the mayor's race and so much more.
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And now guys, let's get into all of the top headlines.
Now today, the Senate is having a marathon session to pass the one big beautiful bill by the White House's end of week deadline.
Now for the most part guys, Republicans are on the same page, but rhino swamp creatures like Tom Tillis are bitter and he wants to create as many headaches as possible before he retires.
He said on Sunday that he's not running for re-election again, so I guess they're doing the usual, let's pretend to be conservative a little bit, but make sure we can get the conservative commentating role at CNN or MSDNC or the lobbyist gigs to be the fake conservative.
You know the drill.
We've seen this too many times.
Tillis is apparently working to keep Biden IRA subsidies.
He's aligning with Green New scam lobbyists and apparently doesn't want tax cuts for the middle class.
He apparently wants to keep taxing tips and increased overtime pay for American workers.
He wants to keep taxing all of that, I guess.
And for all the talk about Medicaid cuts, as it turns out, the media and the swamp was lying to you once again.
The so-called cuts are for illegal immigrants and other reforms that relate to work requirement.
Meaning, if you're able-bodied and healthy, you need to work.
I mean, not exactly rocket science.
Check out these facts versus fiction, because this is not what the media is telling you.
The Medicaid cuts, yeah, guess what?
I imagine anyone who has Medicaid is fine with Medicaid cuts if those cuts are only cutting the Medicaid of illegals who've never paid into the system.
Check this out.
What do you tell the nearly 12 million people that are on the brink of losing access to Medicaid?
Well, again, that's not right.
1.4 million are illegal aliens.
Then a huge percent of that are the able-bodied working people who will need to go back to work.
So we're going to have a work requirement and we'll go from there.
We're just going back to the levels pre-COVID.
So if you haven't figured it out by now, my father means what he says and he says what he means.
And if you try to call out his bluff, it won't end well.
Just ask Tom Tillis.
Or Canada.
Because Canada now says they're rescinding their digital services tax on American tech firms after my father said he was pausing the trade talks.
Now, guys, the tax is off the table and trade talks will resume in July.
See how easy that is, guys?
See how that works?
It's almost like if you have strength and you show strength and you make your position clear, you can actually work to benefit the American people and American enterprise.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
We had the weight of the American economy.
We have all of that might and no one ever thought to maybe, I don't know, use it until Trump.
In just the last week, the stock market surged to new record highs.
We've got a NATO spending deal.
Finally, other people will start paying their fair share.
Another thing that seems sort of like common sense, but no one ever fought for it.
Major rulings from the Supreme Court on nationwide injunctions, and so much more.
It's been a great week for all the patriots eager to see this country thrive again.
But don't take my word for it.
Here's CNN.
Yes, you heard that right.
CNN with a Chiron, with a banner.
Trump on a roll.
I'm actually shocked myself.
Can't believe it.
That Trump's opponents used to lampoon him in his first administration.
He was a political novice then, surrounded by a team with which he was unfamiliar, and he was probably as surprised as the rest of us were that he won the election.
This time is different.
This time he came with a plan and a cabinet with senior advisors comprised of loyalists all well known to the president.
And recently he's exhibited a more layered approach to governing on both the domestic and international front, no longer solely guided by winning each day's news cycle.
By any objective measure, President Trump has his opponents on the run.
You know you're doing well, guys, when even CNN is giving you credit.
You're probably doing a lot better than well.
Now, Democrats have a little different take on all the success the country is seeing.
For example, New York mayoral candidate Zohran Madani has decided that billionaires shouldn't even exist and we should get rid of capitalism.
But again, don't take my word for it.
Here he is on NBC News.
You are a self-described democratic socialist.
Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist?
I don't think that we should have billionaires because frankly it is so much money in a moment of such inequality and ultimately what we need more of is equality across our city and across our state and across our country and I I look forward to work with everyone, including billionaires, to make a city that is fairer for all of them.
But guys, he doesn't stop there.
His own campaign policy platform explicitly calls for taxing white neighborhoods more.
Huh?
Sounds racist.
He wants to explicitly tax white neighborhoods more.
He wants to, quote, shift the tax burden to more expensive home in richer and whiter neighborhoods.
His words, not mine.
This is, of course, illegal racial discrimination.
But this is where the Democrat Party stands.
This is what they believe.
This is who they are.
Now, in response to this insanity, DOJ Civil Rights Division lawyer Harmy Dillon said in a statement, and I quote, racial discrimination is illegal in the United States, period.
I thought we all knew that, but apparently Zohron does not.
But according to Zohron, we're all just misunderstanding what he said.
Even if it's verbatim quotes, I guess they mean something in whatever magical dialect he is speaking.
It's not about race.
It's about equity.
Here we go again, guys.
Equity.
Remember, equity is not equality.
Okay?
Everyone wants equal opportunity.
Equity is equality of results, where they level it up.
So someone who works hard, breaks their ass, ends up with the same as someone who does jack crap.
Okay?
And that's what equity has been defined basically by the Democrat Party for years.
So it's not about race, guys.
It's about equity.
I don't believe it.
Here's what else he told MSDNC this week.
Excited to share that with each and every New Yorker.
You've talked a lot about inclusivity and trying to keep expanding this coalition.
I wanted to ask about one of your policies that has raised a little bit of eyebrows'cause it's the language that's used.
It's mentioned in a memo that is on your website about New York homeowners.
You've said that you've wanted to shift the tax burden from quote, overtaxed homeowners in the outer boroughs to more expensive homes in richer and white neighborhoods.
Can you clarify that?
Why did you feel the need to use that language?
Because some people, whether it's the accurate description of the pure demographics or not, it has been used by people in the media, which you've seen the New York Post headlines and others, to sow and foment divisions in this city.
Why did you feel the need to use that language?
It was more of a description of the neighborhoods that are currently being undertaxed as opposed to the intention of where we would tax New Yorkers.
Nothing can be worked backwards from some kind of racial goal in this city.
It has to be a system that is actually equitable.
And what we've seen time and again is that the property tax system is something that is unfair.
And it is something that even Eric Adams acknowledged when he was running in 2021, something that he promised to rectify within 100 days of becoming the mayor.
And then what he did instead was to defend it at every single juncture in court and to lose.
And the reason that he lost is because we know it's inequitable.
This is something that is a glaring example of city government's inability to meet the moment.
And the use of that language is more of a descriptor of the neighborhoods as opposed to an intention of the goal.
So another question on the tax issue.
I'm sorry, I'm a tax person.
I may not be the child.
And since we're talking about equity and woke madness, yesterday, New York City also closed out the month of June with yet another Pride March.
And in the words of my father, guys, they're not sending their best.
Here's a small sample of how it went.
Gloria, she'll nix it on the floor.
I'm so take a day, no fascist USA.
Oh, my God is our life.
Wild stuff, guys.
Wild stuff.
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Joining me now, founder of Power the Future, energy policy expert Daniel Turner.
So Daniel, great to have you back.
Really appreciate you doing this.
Yeah, it's great to be with you again.
Thanks for having me on.
So I guess first off, what's your big picture view of where we stand from an energy independence standpoint?
I mean, investment into America is up and we're on a mission to reverse the damage done by Biden.
How do you see it right now, where we stand?
I think in five and a half, six months, it's remarkable how much has happened.
And proof of that is where oil prices are relative to geopolitics.
Normally, when there's the slightest activity in the Middle East, oil prices go through the roof.
And oil prices were up.
Don't get me wrong.
We went from about $62 to $72.
But $72 a barrel is still a good $15 cheaper than the Biden average.
And the reason why markets, oil markets didn't go crazy with what's happening in the Middle East is because oil futures say, yeah, that's a lot of turmoil, but America's outlook is positive, right?
We have development coming online.
We just hit our highest ever oil and natural gas production levels.
And so oil markets see what's happening domestically and they say, yeah, that's an issue, but it's not that big of an issue.
We'll weather this storm.
And that's energy dominance in a nutshell, that the world can be on fire, but America is still safe.
I guess that makes a lot of sense.
Because I was thinking when I saw the stuff last week going on with Iran and I saw Israel take out one of the big gas bases and they were like, hey, it's 30% of gas production in the Middle East was coming from there.
And I'm like, oh boy, like I was thinking about it.
Should I just buy oil futures and figure out where this thing goes just because it was going nuts?
But yeah, it really didn't have the effect.
Now, who knows what happens in the coming weeks and whatever it may be.
But it feels like any other time in history, you'd have been at 110 oil, going up to sort of those all-time highs of 130, 140, whatever it peaked at.
Yeah, exactly.
And we're not seeing that.
And that just shows you that oil markets are confident that American production is unmatched and will just continue to increase month on month.
And that's exactly what's happened.
And, you know, I have so much residual anger from the previous administration, probably none more than you and your family does, of course.
Well, they did try to throw me in jail.
So it's like, I feel, you know what I mean?
It's a little different.
You know, they basically created enough to try to kill my father, create enough hate out there that people would try to kill him.
So, you know, yeah, I probably hold a little bit more of a chip on my shoulder than others, but I understand the overall sentiment.
Deservedly so.
But my anger is that if you're these advisors to Joe Biden, Jake Sullivan, the National Security Advisor, Anthony Blinken, the Secretary of State, the Energy Secretary Granholm, how do you pursue four years of policies that just made Iran that much stronger and richer?
I put on social media not long ago, at the end of the first Trump administration, Iran was producing around 500,000 barrels a day.
By the end of the Biden administration, they were up to 3.1 million.
Well, didn't we send them like $8 billion in pallets of cash?
I mean, that was actually Obama that gave them a lifeline.
Then Biden lifted the sanctions and allowed them to do this.
I mean, we literally created all of this.
I mean, we allowed this to happen.
And again, I don't want to be an interventionist in the Middle East.
I know that's happened.
I'm not for regime change.
I've seen what happens with that.
Usually doesn't ever work out well.
But we had them on the ropes during my father's first administration, and these guys gave them every lifeline they needed to create more headaches than we could have ever imagined.
Exactly.
And that's where I have a little bit of a, I see a lot of conflict of people.
They don't know what to do in this situation.
I agree with you.
I don't want boots on the ground.
I don't want regime change.
My whole life, we've been involved in wars in the Middle East.
But I also look at it from the Israeli point of view and say, what did you do to us, America?
Like for four years of Biden, what did you do to us?
Like you created this monster.
They were, as you said, on the ropes.
They were bankrupt.
And Biden gave them every lifeline, made us, again, dependent on international oil, oil from Venezuela, oil from the Middle East, oil from the Caribbean.
It's mind-boggling that for four years, they had a policy that just made the worst actors in the world phenomenally rich.
And when Iran has money, they don't build schools for girls, right?
They create bombs and fund terrorism.
And this is what the consequence is.
It's this kind of like the blinders have to be off, like big boy pants time looking at geopolitics.
And I don't understand how if you're Jake Sullivan, you live with yourself knowing that this is a turmoil you created through just deviant energy policies.
It's my opinion.
Yeah, but I mean, I think you're giving them the benefit of the doubt that they have any kind of moral compass and it's not just about whatever radical ideas.
I mean, they killed every American.
We're never going to stop fracking.
We're never going to do this.
We're never going to do that.
The second he got into office, the first executive order was killing Keystone Pipeline and all of that stuff, again, which shut down a lot of our own energy producing abilities and forced us to actually import from Venezuela, not exactly, you know, not exactly a beautiful democratic regime.
We didn't even recognize them at the time, and now we're dependent on them and Iran.
I mean, it's sort of nuts and so self-defeating, but I mean, that seems to go hand in hand with all of the other democrat policies we're seeing out there, whether that be the violence out west, whether it be the trans activism.
I mean, they'll do anything to destroy decency and morality within America.
Yeah, and this is where energy policy has to have its feet on the ground.
And we don't see that, right?
Of course, we all like to have ideals.
There's an ideal Christian, there's an ideal father, there's an ideal, there's ideals for everything.
But your energy policy can't be based on ideals.
They have to be based on reality.
And reality is when we make Iran strong, they fund terrorism, right?
When we make Venezuela strong, it destabilizes that Region of the world, and it weakens America.
And after four years of Biden, we were just poorer, weaker, more dependent on foreign countries.
So, to go back to the first part of your question, where are we?
I mean, it's only been five months, five and a half months, and it's remarkable that the president has created such a resiliency within the markets.
There's a confidence in energy markets, right?
Yes, there's geopolitics and yes, there are still permits and you're waiting for blah, blah, blah.
But the market itself is confident that we're headed in the right direction.
And that stabilization of prices ultimately means a more stable economy.
Inflation has come down.
Prices of food have come down, right?
We don't talk about eggs anymore because that has trickled down and it does trickle down.
Biden used to say, trickle-down theory, blah, blah, blah.
It does trickle down.
It really does.
And ask about egg prices.
That's trickle-down economics, reversing bad energy policy.
Yeah, no, the egg price one was interesting because I talked about it a lot.
You know, my father got sworn in on January 20th and about, you know, at 12 A. You know, 12 noon and at 12.05, you know, the Democrats go, see, egg prices still aren't down.
You know, they assume these things are instantaneous.
And now they're no longer talking about it because about two weeks later, the egg prices did actually go down.
And it's amazing what you can do with sane and rational policy.
But their sound bites just sort of disappear.
They stick with it, stick with it, stick with it.
No longer available.
We'll move on to the next soundbite, not ever acknowledging that the policies work to actually effectuate real change.
Yeah, 100%.
And this is the problem with four years of this ideological, fantastical, very, very progressive energy policy.
And a lot of it, I think, is being investigated or needs to be investigated by the DOJ, by Representative Comer and House Oversight, because it wasn't just bad policy.
A lot of it was criminal in nature, right?
I testified before Congress just a couple of weeks ago about the amount of money that these green groups appropriated or were given through grants, through the Biden EPA, through the Biden Department of Interior, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars to leftist groups that have just funneled back into the Democrat machine.
There's an article just yesterday about how the DNC is almost bankrupt.
Their donors have dried up.
It's almost like when you shut down USAID, all their donors went away.
It's almost like again, I'm not saying I don't necessarily see the link, but it ain't coincidence that you shut down billions of funding to the USAID, who's working with all these leftist groups, and all of a sudden the Democrat Party fundraising apparatus is struggling to raise money because we all knew it was probably happening.
I'm not saying I even have the evidence here, but like, you know, it does seem like a causal effect that probably tells you everything you need to know about what exactly was going on.
And that U.S. taxpayer dollars were being siphoned back to the Democrat apparatus through these radical leftist organizations in government.
Yeah.
And you've traveled, obviously, the country extensively on the campaign trail and you know Americans, which I don't think the left really does.
I've always had this understanding that how do we have these big climate movements?
How do we have these big transgender movements?
I've never seen any of these people anywhere.
Like it's like, it's like, and yet they're beyond reproach.
They're like, you know, I always say with the trans movement, especially the radical trans movement, you know, again, I'm fairly, hey, if you're old and you want to do whatever you want to do, that's fine.
I don't want to hear about it.
I don't want to pay for it.
Stay the hell away from my kids.
You know, live and let live.
But they're such a small percentage of the population, and yet they hold such incredible political power.
And that doesn't happen.
There's no other group that has 0.02% of a population or whatever it is that controls that much power, that is able to instill that much political fear without there being something else going on.
And I think we know exactly what it is now.
And that's my point is this taxpayer funding that has dried up because of the Doge effort, because of just really good stewardship by people like Administrator Zeldin, by the White House itself.
You know, all these groups, their funding is drying up and you realize, oh, there really isn't a strong climate movement.
There was a lot of tax dollars going to climate groups to give the impression there's a climate movement.
The same with the trans movement.
How many articles have been written about just the No Kings protests?
And you realize it's all paid or funded by left-wing orgs that got taxpayer money.
So I don't think that's a good question.
But they were very effective.
They were very effective.
I saw the protests last weekend.
I mean, I woke up on Monday after a weekend of No Kings protests and like, we have no king.
It's actually shocking.
So it's the one of those that, you know, they were very effective at accomplishing exactly nothing, but I guess their stated purpose was to do that.
So it worked out well.
And the climate movement, you know, they have had a really bad start to the year because it's been miserably cold and wet in the Northeast where they're most active, New York, D.C. That's starting to change.
You know, it's not even a heat wave.
Summer is kicking in finally, about a month late.
And I'm excited for the climate people because they lost Greta, right?
Greta is now on Kill Israel.
And so they lost one of their big acolytes.
And, you know, it's like when you have a kid on the JV team and you watch him get really good and then he goes to varsity and then he's like, you know what?
I don't want to play anymore.
I'm going to go to join the theater.
And you're like, I invested so much in you.
They invested so much in Greta and she left their cause.
So the climate people, they finally have something to celebrate because it's hot again.
And they're going to be out now in full force.
But I know that it's fake.
I know where their money came from.
I've testified about this.
I know it's all grift.
It's all lies.
And it's all meant to move the needle on progressive issues because Congress doesn't have the will to vote for progressive issues.
So they have to create astro turf.
And I think the best thing that the administration can do right now is to continue to delegitimize these groups by drawing up their funding and exposing them for the frauds that they are.
So with that, you know, obviously a lot of the green stuff and the green energy and the wind farms and all the nonsense, you know, it's been so heavily subsidized and it's a cottage industry and a couple of people are getting rich while the American taxpayer is subsidizing it.
But I did see something interesting, a tweet from Elon last week talking about sort of the U.S. falling behind China in solar.
And again, I'm going to actually defer to Elon on pretty much anything technological because he's forgotten more about any of these topics than I would ever possibly know.
But I think on our side, we've definitely been sort of pushed that, hey, solar is this sort of, again, a green sort of decoy to push nonsense.
But this is someone who clearly understands energy and understands the importance of that for U.S., what our energy grid needs to be able to win the AI race and the supercomputing race right now.
Is there something to that?
Because I definitely agree that our side has been pushed against all of these technologies with seemingly good data.
But is the solar thing, if China's going all in on that and you see their production, he put up a chart.
Maybe we'll put it up on the screen here if we can find it.
But it does seem like it's a possibly big deal from someone who I'm going to defer to on anything technological.
Yeah, I disagree with Elon completely.
And the reason why is because any place that has really relied upon solar, it has been an abject failure.
We also hear that China is building the equivalent of a coal-fired plant every week.
They're not dependent on solar.
Now, they're manufacturing a ton of solar because Western nations like ours in the previous Biden administration are spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year buying these crappy solar panels.
But China doesn't make them with solar.
They make them with coal.
They fund their economy.
They run their economy with coal.
Spain has gone all in on wind and solar until the wind stopped blowing at eight o'clock at night and their grid was offline for two days.
And now when they are looking at the after action and they say, oh, they're blaming this person and this was a small mistake.
There was no mistake.
This was absolutely inevitable because the sun is always going to set.
So I appreciate that Elon likes to think about the future.
Maybe one day solar will be there, but Elon's not going to be able to stop the sun from setting.
And that means there's going to be, or from just having a dark day.
And that means there's always going to be the need for reliable baseload energy.
And no one in the energy space considers wind and solar baseload.
They are intermittent at best.
They're very, very expensive.
What we need is energy that works regardless of the weather.
And that's natural gas, coal, nuclear, hydro.
And that's what funds and runs an economy.
China knows that.
Western Europe doesn't.
And that's why Western Europe is in absolute decline.
And we were in the previous administration until thank God the president was elected for the third time.
You see that?
Elected for the third time and got back into office and reversed these awful policies.
So, you know, we're seeing this back and forth on the Hill about the Inflation Reduction Act subsidies.
What is at issue and what's at stake?
I mean, obviously, anything that the Hill calls something, it usually has the opposite effect of what, you know, it's always a misnomer, but a convenient marketing ploy.
You know, what is going on and what's at stake there?
The Inflation Reduction Act was obviously nothing about inflation.
It was this enormous slush fund to wind and solar subsidies, to people like Stacey Abrams, so they could all apply for grants.
What's at stake, and this is where the previous administration, as evil as they were, they are clever, right?
They are clever.
They're good at marketing and not much else.
I agree with that.
Bingo.
And they knew that Republicans, just as much as Democrats, would get addicted to free cash.
It's like heroin for a politician.
And so they purposely injected hundreds of billions of dollars into Republican states and gave them money for wind farms and solar farms.
And now when that money dries up, you're going to have a Republican governor or senator who's going to get the blame and they don't want that.
So they are fighting to keep those dollars.
But how long can we keep this industry on life support?
So you see Republicans fighting to say, I can't lose my $200 million because X solar farm will shut down.
Well, ex-solar, we're suddenly done.
We're suddenly all Keynesians, right?
If the government just builds this and funds it forever, then there are jobs.
And now we say, well, we can't stop funding it because the jobs will disappear.
These are government entities that would never have survived in the free market.
They are on total government life support.
But Biden knew that Republicans would fight for that life support because they don't want the black eye of saying they cut government funding.
So Biden got Republicans addicted to heroin, taxpayer-funded heroin, and now they need their next hit and they are going to fight for it tooth and nail.
And it's the most disgusting part of Washington, D.C. We're keeping alive an industry that would fail if not for government because they want to get reelected.
And it's just, it's what you hate about D.C. Yeah.
And with $35 trillion plus dollars in debt and the interest clock on that and what that means, I mean, you do eventually hit a point of no return.
I mean, where basically your entire GDP goes to paying off the interest on what you've been borrowing to subsidize.
So, you know, it's never comfortable.
And that's the unfortunate part of our system is, you know, both sides will work to preserve themselves rather than do what's right for the American public.
And that's really scary.
Yeah.
And we do this with energy, of course, but we do this with healthcare.
We do this with education.
We do this with any time this government funding spending.
And it just keeps growing and growing.
And what we create is this total dependency on government.
You know, there are certain services that, of course, are never going to be quote unquote profitable.
And you understand that government funds it.
I would worry about a profitable military, right?
Like that's probably not a good thing.
So I understand the military is just an absolute cost, but our energy production should not be that way.
Solar panel manufacturing should not be that way.
And when Biden finally lost, I remember saying, like, there's going to be a tough moment because we're going to cut the funding to this solar panel factory in Wisconsin.
And people are going to say, look at Trump cutting those.
He said he loves energy workers, but the government can't fund forever a solar panel manufacturing company.
It can't.
So we have to cut it off.
But there's a political risk there.
And if you're the senator from that area, you're not going to allow that political risk because now you're not going to win re-election.
And again, it's what you hate about government.
They create these systems so that they are in perpetuity dependent on government.
And we never have progress.
We never have growth in those markets.
We never cut spending.
It's going to be very, very difficult to cut these subsidies.
But God, I hope they do it.
The president wanted to in his first proposal.
It's the Senate that's put them back in.
The House bill was so much better.
The Senate's putting this spending back in because they don't want the political fallout.
Interesting.
You know, Daniel, you've talked a lot about the war on coal and how it decimated American cities and towns.
How will the next four years under President Trump be our opportunity to unleash American energy and make rural America great again?
Yeah, the AI executive order that the president signed was fantastic about that because it does open up new coal plant production and new coal-fired power plants.
The steel merger, right, with Nippon Steel and U.S. Steel is huge because you can't make steel without coal, right?
You can't make cement without coal.
You can't make a lot of things without coal.
So this idea that we can live without coal is just so naive.
And so people don't realize it's not just the energy you produce, but the byproducts of burning coal, the ash, the potash, all of these things.
I mean, one of the biggest things in concrete, et cetera, et cetera.
So it's not even just, hey, is there a better way of getting energy?
You still actually have to do these things to be able to get all of the materials that you need to have a thriving economy, infrastructure, construction, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah.
And that's why you look at studies, for example, the amount of coal needed to create the infrastructure to make something like a solar panel, to create the steel for the machinery to mine the rare earth elements and metals and minerals that go into that, to create the steel that are the frames of the soil.
The amount of coal that goes into the infrastructure to create a solar panel, that solar panel will never offset in its life.
So why are we creating solar panels, right?
And that's why coal is so important.
It's the grandfather of all energy.
And until we know how to make these products without coal, well, then why would we stop using coal at all?
We're just, you know, we're wasting a lot of resources to create a product that is never going to be offset in the lifespan of that product.
So the president's put forward just common sense, you know, situations, solutions that will bring, that will revitalize a lot of coal.
Yeah, and what's good about it as well, because I do care about politics and electing the right people, what's good about it is that it will take a state like Pennsylvania and never make it in question again, because Pennsylvanians will wake up and say, yeah, why have we been electing these people who despise us, who despise steel, despise coal, despise natural gas?
How the hell is this guy our senator?
How is he our governor?
Right?
McCormick is a great step in the right direction, but Pennsylvanians and then hopefully more states will follow suit.
There are a couple of little swing states.
My great state of Virginia.
I'm in rural Virginia.
It's very red, but sadly the rest of Virginia is blue because it's DC suburbs.
I'm worried about the next governor here, but Virginians should be in the same situation.
How are we going to elect someone who despises our industry, whether it's ag or coal?
We have coal in Virginia.
We have natural gas in Virginia.
I'm hoping that the president's policies will, again, trickle down this understanding to more base Americans to say, I want to elect the guy who respects me and my job.
And we are enough to outnumber them.
At the same time, you have this effort to cut off these lefty groups' funding, we're headed in a great direction.
So I agree with you, but I also feel like that should have happened 10 years ago.
This is not a new war on these jobs, on rural Americans, on blue-collar workers.
I mean, that's been going on forever.
I mean, you know, learn to code, guys.
No, ironically, AI is going to make all the journeymen, white-collar journalists and lawyers.
I mean, they're the ones that are actually going to be, they're going to have to learn how to weld.
But it's been going on for so long.
The attack has been very real, and yet it still hasn't necessarily gotten to those people yet.
How do we help effectuate that change?
How do we help make them understand that this is a real threat and there are sort of unintended consequences beyond the soundbites?
I hate to add more to the Trump family's plate.
Keep doing the rallies.
It is the best way to hit.
And that's why the president's success is so big, because he went to places that not everyone went to and people went and they brought their friends and it turned into a party and people said, I love this.
It was like going to it.
And I've been to so many, not as many as you.
And it was like going to a tailgate and, but your team didn't, you know, as a Notre Dame fan, every tailgate, you know, we're going to lose, right?
So it was like going to a tailgate, but you know, you were going to win in the end.
And that, go to rural America, send the vice president to more and more rallies and talk to folks.
And folks come and they bring their friends and they bring their neighbors.
And suddenly you get voters who haven't voted before because there's someone who's talking our language.
I think that is the most important.
Get the hell out of DC.
I keep hearing criticism like, you believe Secretary X is still traveling?
Good.
He shouldn't be in the office.
If you're the secretary of any cabinet, you don't need to sit behind a desk.
You have teams of people who execute desk decisions.
You should be out.
Talk to people.
Be out.
And when I see Doug Bergum in Alaska, when I see Chris Wright in Texas, that is how we win this.
We constantly are out talking to people.
The president's social media team is brilliant at that.
That's how we win them.
Talk to people because people have felt like they've been ignored for so, so long.
They have, unfortunately.
So, Daniel, I also saw the Department of Energy is scrapping climate mandates on appliances like dishwashers and stoves.
What were the mandates and how much harder did it make it even just to do your laundry at this point.
Yeah.
I mean, to go back in time to even a Seinfeld episode about the low-flow shower heads, right?
We've been talking about government policies that will save you energy.
And the experts agree that if we all get these new light bulbs, the average household will save 400.
When have we ever seen those savings mount, right?
Oh, by the way, I've seen it with some of these fluorescent bulbs.
I go to my cab, I go to some of my rooms, and I turn on the lights, and it's like, I got to still break out like the iPhone flashlight just to be able to see in these, it's insane.
And I'm like, you couldn't get an incandescent bulb for, you know, we create solutions that aren't solutions.
They're actually failures.
And you end up having to spend more and you turn on five other lights just to be able to light a room at this point.
It's nuts.
It is.
And we do this to every appliance, whether it's washing machines and dishwashers and furnaces.
You know, as we're talking, I am ripping out my entire HVAC system because the type of coolant I have, Biden made illegal.
And now it's no longer in stock.
And even though it is only a 15-year-old system, they were like, yeah, we had a leak, lost all the coolant, new system.
I am $17,000 poorer in about two hours when I write the damn check because of the Biden administration, because this is what it means when the EPA makes decisions.
Like, we have decided this is no longer legal and you have to suffer the consequences.
And when we do this with appliances, we do this with cars and tailpipe emissions.
All we do is we burden manufacturing, we burden salespeople with new rules.
These rules don't increase the economy.
They don't make life better.
They just cost and they cost.
And so getting rid of all of these stupid regulations, whether it was what your tailpipe emissions should be by the year 2050 or how much water you're allowed to use per gallon.
We don't have a water crisis in America.
And suddenly we have to create dishwashers that don't work.
How many times have you put your hand in a dryer and things are damp, but your smart dryer tells you, nope, it's dry.
And like, there's no override.
You keep turning the damn thing on.
It's still damp.
You turn it on, turns off.
What is this nonsense that all we're doing is using more electricity?
We're using more water because we're flushing the toilet twice.
We're using more water.
Well, I don't have to wash my hair, but you do because the low-flow shower had me.
I got to wash my hair a lot.
The amount of product it takes to keep this thing from turning me into Ronald McDonald's is actually quite impressive.
But yes, I don't want to have to subsidize my hair washing with a bucket of water that I have to fill up over the weeks and months prior to taking a shower.
It's insane.
And this is where, again, government getting in the world, getting the weeds of issues that they don't know anything about.
And they do this on energy.
They do it on appliances.
They do it across the board.
And it's just made life burdensome.
There isn't one area that we can look at at the end of the Obama years or the end of the Biden years that say life is marketably better.
Five and a half months into the second Trump administration, blue-collar workers can say, as we saw with Secretary Besent the other day in an interview, blue-collar workers have seen their largest wage increase in 50 years.
In these first five months of the Trump administration, largest wage increase.
That's a real concrete thing that if you're in that world, you can say, holy crap, like my life is that much better in such a short time because of this president.
You can't look at anything after four years of Biden.
It's all theoretical.
The climate is going to be better.
Children are going to be smart.
No, they're not.
Nothing was better.
It was just worse, expensive, harder, and more miserable for the average American.
And that's why we finally got our act together in 2024.
Yeah, no, I think, I mean, Lee Zeldon, it feels like, has been one of sort of the unsung heroes heading up the EPA.
I mean, I assume he's all over these things as it relates to the appliances and all of the other stuff.
Because, I mean, I see every day, you know, the Left's trying to kill him.
But, I mean, he's actually taking on real issues that affect real Americans each and every day.
I assume they're all over that.
And, you know, can some of these things be undone as easily as they were, you know, probably auto-penned into existence?
Yeah, and that's what's really important about this Congress, why we still have both houses getting its act together as soon as this one big, beautiful bill is codified and the president signs it.
There's real work that needs to happen.
So Lee Zeldon's allowed to undo a lot of damage that was done by the previous administrator because that's how the bureaucracies work.
But what he's not going to be able to do is prevent the next guy.
God forbid we lose in 2028.
I don't think we will.
But God forbid, who knows what the Chinese will launch on us in 2028.
Exactly.
Right.
COVID-2.0.
But if we're not going to be able to do that.
But that's not an unfounded fear.
I mean, you had Chinese nationals in the last couple of weeks getting caught bringing agroterrorism to America, bacteria that could destroy our entire crops and plants.
I mean, these are actual real threats and things that we actually have to think about.
They are.
And if we lose in 2028 and the wrong Gavin Newsom becomes president in 2029, all of Lee Zeldon's good work undoing will just put right back in place.
And we're playing ping pong.
I'd say it's worse than that.
I mean, I'd say you could actually have a serious problem at midterms where you just effectively hamstring this presidency and cut it short.
And that's 18 months from now.
What we need is the Congress to step in and codify some of these things.
So very concrete example.
What are greenhouse gases?
That's up for the administration to decide.
Some say it's methane.
Some say it's carbon.
Some say it's carbon dioxide.
What percentage of greenhouse gases?
It's up to the administrator.
If you're a Biden or an Obama administrator, that percentage gets smoke.
If you're a Zeldon administrator, you use common sense and those numbers change.
Congress can end all this nonsense right now with a Republican House and Senate and say, we will determine what a greenhouse gas is and we will determine what percentages are allowed.
And the next administrator's hands are tied.
That's the way the bureaucracies should work.
Bureaucracies should not set policy.
They should execute what the Congress wants.
But the Congress is too damn chicken weak to do that.
So they punt it and they pray the administrators do their bidding.
No congressman voted for the Green New Deal.
No senator voted for the Green New Deal, But they got Biden in and they implemented it through bureaucracy.
That can't happen anymore.
But we need Congress to act and codify across the board a lot of these rules.
So, Daniel, in the months and years ahead, what are some of the key benchmarks for energy policy?
What are the things people have to be focusing on and pushing and calling their congresspeople about?
Electricity production is absolutely essential.
I mentioned earlier the president's executive order on artificial intelligence.
AI is poised to use two or three times more electricity than we're currently producing, right?
So you see a lot of governors very excited.
We gave permission for a new data center.
That data center is going to need a boatload of electricity.
And unless we're building a modra nuclear, the president's done an executive order on that.
We're building a coal plant.
We're building a natural gas plant.
All that means is that data center in time is going to be a burden on the community.
And so what we have to do is we have to elect at the local level politicians, I mean your county commissioners, your governors who are saying, how do we produce enough electricity for our state so that we're not relying on other states?
Great example of this is when the tariff dispute first started with Canada and the premier of Ontario said, well, you know what?
We're not sending electricity to Michigan, Minnesota, New York anymore.
Most people were like, see what President Trump did?
My response was, why the hell are those three states buying electricity from Canada to begin with?
How come you're not producing enough electricity in your state to be reliant?
And if you're the governor of New York, wouldn't you stay up at night saying, holy crap, I'm the governor of New York and my state is not self-sufficient?
That's where we should be doing on energy policy.
Is your state totally reliant on just your state?
Because if we're hoping that someone else bails us out, we're in bad shape.
Yeah, so I'm a big believer, but what are your thoughts on sort of SMR technology?
For those who don't know, that small modular reactors, it's basically small reactors, nuclear reactors that can be sort of grouped together to be able to, if you have a big data center in a state, you can actually sort of power it separately off the grid, not affect anyone.
It's a technology that's advancing, but there's this sort of really bad, I guess the Democrats and others have done a really good job sort of vilifying nuclear power, even in these cases where they're making things that the enrichment levels don't get to the point where it can actually be all that dangerous, like you see from a Three Mile Island or a Fukushima or anything like that.
It's very different, and yet it still seems to get lumped in to the same things because we don't want another Chernobyl.
It's like, well, that's not even possible, but it doesn't matter.
But there's still so many obstacles for that seemingly great technology.
Yeah, there are.
And that's because the climate movement's biggest weapon is fear.
And that's why they make these apocalyptic movies about climate change, about nuclear reactors, about nuclear fallout.
They have to scare the crap out of the average American that we are always on the brink of catastrophe, of climate catastrophe, of energy catastrophe.
These small modular reactors are so easy to assemble and get online.
It's why the president is supporting them.
The big old power plants of the past take decades, right?
And the building required and the effort and the permitting.
These modular nuclear ones can get online an awful lot faster.
And I remind folks all the time to play into wonderful stereotypes that 80% of the French electricity comes from nuclear.
And if the French aren't afraid of nuclear power, right, why in the hell is any American afraid of nuclear power?
We should be having small modular reactors literally across the board.
They should be in neighborhoods.
Electricity should become so abundant that it is an afterthought in your monthly expenses.
But under Biden, electricity bills nationwide have gone up 30%, in some places more.
In New York, in the whole Northeast, that's up to 37%, right?
It should be a huge issue in my home state of New York.
I know your home state as well.
It should be a huge issue in the gubernatorial race.
Electricity prices for New Yorkers are up 40%, and the utilities are saying we're going to have to raise it even more.
Why?
Because they shut down Indian nuclear, Indian Point Nuclear.
They shut down five coal-powered plants and nothing came online.
And if you're in New York and you're thinking about these things and you think it's bad now, just understand that these utilities are also probably going to run at a loss right now to influence an election, to get another lunatic Democrat in there, and then they'll hit you once it no longer matters.
I mean, that's the other game that we forget that people are playing.
These guys will hold back, just like Biden pumped trillions into the economy to try to make it seem like the economy was artificially strong, to help Kamala Harris win, et cetera, et cetera.
If you think it's bad now, it's only going to get worse, but they're going to drag it out till those election cycles, till they can get their chosen puppets in place.
And then once it no longer matters and those people are going to be for them and do whatever it is, hey, they'll jack the price up 50, 60%.
Who cares?
We got what we wanted.
We'll deal with the problem for now.
And in four years, we'll do it again to make it seem like they made some sort of progress.
You can elect another Democrat and then we'll screw you over again the next minute.
And a lot of times these utilities, they just want to do their job and they get these policy mandates from governors that say, guess what?
By the year 2030, 50% of your utility has to be renewable.
And you say, well, we don't have any renewable.
So what am I going to do?
What am I going to do?
I'm going to have to buy these carbon credits or these offsets and we're just going to write blank checks.
And that's what they do.
And then pass off that expense to the people.
They're just going to charge you more, right?
So again, this goes back to an early question you asked about the solar in China.
We've expanded solar dramatically under Biden.
It was our best talking point.
We've invested more in solar than at any point in American history.
How has it worked out?
Right.
Show me one place that you have more solar, that you have cheaper electricity or a more reliable grid.
Just one.
And you can't show me a place in the world that they have gone solar, that they have more electricity at a cheaper price and a more reliable grid.
It doesn't exist.
And so why do I want to double down on this if it's been nothing but expensive?
And that's a huge problem.
And this is where electricity decisions, a lot of them are made at the local level.
There's a lot President Trump can do with federal policy, but at the local level, the issues that people don't always go out and turn out for, like county commissioner, that's where you've got a mayor, huge.
Oh my God, as two New Yorkers, New Yorkers, although I'm Queens, you're Manhattan.
My family is from Queens, so I got a long lineage back to Queens.
I kind of grew up in the city, but like, yeah, I too have escaped as a political refugee from the People's Republic.
Our mayor race is, this is a huge issue, right?
If you can't afford to run your utilities in your apartment, your building, your data center in New York City, your Wall Street office, right?
If I can't afford the electricity, ultimately I'm going to move.
What is the mayor's plan to increase electricity production in New York?
And you ask them that and they will be stonefaced and they'll say they have no migrants.
But I'm also watching the socialist candidate last week.
I talked about it.
The socialist candidate in New York City, anti-capitalist, open borders, absolutely insane.
He's actually making gains.
He's making gains and he's funded by the affluent, the rich white people in New York City.
I mean, it's really mind-boggling to me how these people keep funding this nonsense.
And again, the hardworking Americans are the ones footing the bill and getting screwed by it.
Yeah.
His policies are so insane.
And a lot has come out in the last couple of days about him, how he's never really had a job.
I tweeted, of course, he hasn't had a job.
He's a socialist, right?
Like, you don't have to actually do things.
AOC never, well, she was a bartender, right?
Now she's an expert on everything.
Just ask her.
And there's nothing wrong with being a hard scrabble someone.
I ran out of college.
My first job out of college was, I was a bartender.
I moved to Colorado.
I was a bartender for a year and a half.
I worked at a bar, you know, to do, but like, you know, there's nothing wrong with it.
I think it's great, but I'm not going to let necessarily that person make trillion-dollar decisions if they don't have some sort of other standing to do so.
And that's why when the socialist mayor candidate in New York says that he wants to open free government-run grocery stores, you say based on, again, like your energy policy, it should all be solar.
Based on what?
Based on your idea, your deeply held beliefs.
And your deeply held beliefs are fine, but they're not based in reality.
And reality is a whole country tried government-run supermarkets.
It was called the Soviet Union.
Didn't really work that well.
But like all socialists, he's going to say, ah, but they just didn't do it right.
That wasn't real socialism.
I will implement it properly.
Just like the green people, what Spain did was wrong.
We here are going to do it a lot better.
There you go.
Sure.
We always look at failure based upon socialist ideas and say, when I have power, I'm going to run it a lot better.
Rather than just take the damn ring and throw it in the fire where it belongs and kill it once and for all.
They never do that.
They're like, I'll make it work.
Sure, you will.
Daniel, thank you very much.
Where can everyone find you on social, everything like that?
Powerthefuture.com is our website.
Power of the future on all social media platforms.
Or if your wonderful listeners have a question, Daniel at powerthefuture.com.
Shoot me an email, especially if it's about energy, and I'll answer as best as I can.
But thanks, Don, for having me on.
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So really appreciate it, Daniel.
Great having you back.
Thank you.
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