Globalist Panic & Populist Prosperity, Live with Natalie Winters & Alex Epstein | Triggered Ep229
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Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
I hope you all had an awesome weekend.
I see the live chat is fired up and we have a lot to get into, so stick around, let your friends know that we're live.
Tonight we have War Room co-host Natalie Winters.
She'll be here with some investigations into just who's organizing these attacks against Tesla, Tesla dealerships, Tesla owners, Ultimately, Elon Musk.
And we'll also have author of Fossil Future, Alex Epstein, will be here to explain all the ways the Biden administration stalled energy projection here in America.
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And with that, we'll get to the news.
So let's get into some of these top headlines, guys, because there's a lot going on.
So first and foremost, tomorrow is the election for the state Supreme Court in Wisconsin.
We've been talking about it ad nauseum.
Make sure you go and vote.
If you live in Wisconsin and you haven't already voted, please go do so.
Maybe still today, but certainly tomorrow.
Whoever wins that race will control the court, and it has implications far beyond Wisconsin.
Democrats are already salivating over the chance to redraw the maps and gerrymander red seats to blue, which could change control of Congress.
So, Wisconsin, you have to get out there and vote for Brad Schimel.
Okay, it's not even, it's a no-brainer.
Just go do it.
If you know someone in Wisconsin, call them.
Make sure they're voting.
It's a statewide election.
Anyone you know in Wisconsin, call them.
If you're in Wisconsin, call your friends.
We're going to only lose if we have apathy.
The Democrats, they've been salivating at this one for a while.
They've been under the radar, mobilizing, weaponizing, getting ready to try to win this.
We're the underdog.
So get out there and vote.
Your vote matters, okay?
We want an election in a general.
Just because Trump's not at the top of the ticket doesn't mean that his entire agenda isn't at the top of this ticket tomorrow.
So don't sit it out.
Here's Elon, actually this weekend, in the Badger State.
Check out what he has to say.
The importance of the election on Tuesday is gigantic.
It could decide the future of the House of Representatives.
It could decide then the future of America and the future of the world.
So, it's absolutely critical that you really, you need to just drag friends and family to vote on Tuesday for Justice Schimel and for Voter ID.
So, thank you.
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
Again, guys, if you're one of the 1.7 million Wisconsin voters who voted for my father and you want to ensure we keep delivering on the America First mission, you must get out and vote for Brad Schimel on Tuesday.
Otherwise, we'll see more Democrat dirty tricks, more endless investigations, and more insane lawfare madness, okay?
Don't forget about that one, Wisconsin.
But this also goes for the special elections In Florida, okay?
Florida 1 and Florida 6. The old Matt Gaetz seat?
I think that's Florida 1. And the Mike Walsh seat in Florida 6?
That is tomorrow.
If you live in Florida and you're in those districts, or you know people who live in those districts, get out and vote.
It's much closer than it needs to be because our guys are sitting there saying, I'm happy with these wins.
They're not paying attention.
They're sitting back enjoying the wins.
They're not paying attention.
Paying attention to what's going on.
That's two house seats, right?
Just so we're clear, we have like a majority of three right now.
Two could be gone like that in solid red districts, okay?
Don't take these things for granted.
If you're in those districts, if you have friends or family there, make sure they get out and vote for the Republicans, okay?
This is really critical.
Don't mess around.
If you're not sure, double check.
You have till end of day tomorrow.
Just get out and do it.
It's a special election.
There's not gonna be long lines.
Whatever it is, just get out and do it.
And meanwhile, guys, we're continuing to see more and more evidence of how the swamp is trying to stand in the way of everything and anything the Trump administration does.
One thing we don't need more of is far-left activist judges.
For example, as Missouri Senator, friend of the show Eric Schmidt pointed out, Judge James Boasberg has now been assigned to his fourth, his fourth major Trump case.
It's supposed to be a random draw, folks.
His fourth?
This is the guy?
The activist judge with ties with the wife and the daughter to all these leftist things?
It's his fourth major Trump case?
This happens far too often.
Big conservative cases magically end up in the hands of far-left judges.
They tell us it's random.
It's random, guys.
There's nothing random about this, right?
You saw that.
How come the judge in New York got the Steve Bannon case?
He got all the Trump cases.
He got the this case.
He got the that case.
Anything that related to Trump or anything conservative always ends up with the same radical clown.
So I think Eric actually nails it with his tweet.
OK. Administrative court clerks offices assign cases to specific judges behind closed doors.
We need to see what's going on behind the scenes because clearly this is not at all random.
Of course, this is the exact playbook we've seen from the left ever since my father came down the golden escalator in 2015.
They will weaponize the government with no limits.
They will throw political opponents in prison.
They will try to destroy anyone who supports my father and your favorite president, Donald Trump.
And we're seeing these same corrupt operations abroad.
Where in France, Marie Le Pen, the leader of the conservative party there, is currently the frontrunner to be the next president of France.
We saw what happened last time when she was the frontrunner.
So what did the left in France do?
They banned her from running.
They banned her.
Just, eh, we don't like you.
We're gonna ban you from running.
They sentenced her to four years in prison on BS charges.
Claiming she misappropriated funds to her national rally party.
Sound familiar, guys?
Banning a political opponent who stands in opposition to global open borders badness?
Huh? Where have I seen that before?
These corrupt bad actors don't just want their political opponents banned from the ballot.
They want them in jail.
Or even worse.
We obviously saw it during the 2020 election.
20 election with my father.
We saw it in Venezuela.
We're now seeing it in France.
We saw it in 2024 when they tried to throw him off the ballot as well.
We're at a turning point in history.
But with my father in charge, we can make sure this type of corruption actually faces real consequences at home and abroad.
But the good news is this.
Common sense leadership is back.
Even the president of Finland is saying that my father is the only one who can end the war in Ukraine.
Check this out.
I had with President Trump in Florida, I basically, you know, two very simple messages.
Number one, he is probably the only person in the world who can mediate the peace between Ukraine and Russia.
Why? Because Putin respects and in many ways fears Donald Trump.
Secondly, the point I had Guys...
It's time to make common sense again.
I'm seeing that repeatedly in the live chat.
I've said it a hundred times on my own.
Common sense is the only thing that's not that common anymore, and we got to make it common again.
It's not just foreign policy, guys.
We're also seeing it in the economy.
While the media melts down over all things tariffs, some of the early numbers are telling a much different story.
For example, estimates show that the Trump tariffs will bring in $600 billion.
$600 billion!
in the first year to the Treasury General Fund.
Trump tariffs will bring in $600 billion in the first year to the Treasury General Fund.
The president's extra 25% tariffs on autos alone expected to generate $100 billion on top of the reciprocal tariffs.
So those tariffs on just about all countries is meant to level the trade playing field.
The extra 25% tariffs on autos and others meant to protect seven industries.
The president has deemed critical.
You see those industries there, autos on the list, along with semiconductors, labor, steel, aluminum, and the others.
Guys, it all makes you wonder, what just exactly is fueling the violence and endless rage from the left?
Is it because deep down they know this agenda is actually working?
We're seeing left-wing lunatics even lash out at Tesla and commit acts of violence.
But who's funding this?
Who's fueling that fire?
In some cases, fueling that fire quite literally.
Because our next guest, Natalie Winters, uncovered links between this violence and a left-wing group called Indivisible.
Now the group secretly deleted board members from their website and erased the name of their executive team staff after their suspicious behavior came to light.
Why? Why are they doing that?
What exactly are they hiding?
And the leader of this Soros back group is on tape comparing their anti-Trump agitation to Mao's flowers movement.
Okay, for context guys, That communist movement in the middle of the 20th century led to the murder, imprisonment, and persecution of countless people in China.
Check it out.
You know, this is a let a thousand flowers bloom kind of moment where lots of people are going to have ideas and move with them and run with them.
We can't support everything.
We're going to kind of focus in on specific strategic interventions that we think we can really focus on for ourselves.
But Just wanted to say that because I know there's some people who are disappointed and wanted to have more there, but we do not have more.
One thing about these left-wing extremists is they're not even trying to hide just how eager they are for actual violence and destruction.
They say it out loud.
So, joining me now, co-host of War Room, White House correspondent Natalie Winters.
Natalie, great to have you back.
How are you doing?
Hi, thank you so much for having me on.
It's always an honor to join you.
Well, it's great to have you back and thanks for what you're doing.
So, welcome back.
But first off, tell us what you've uncovered about these Tesla protests and their links to these far-left groups.
Well, I'm sure you remember how your father used to always say, they're just doing to me what they really want to do to you guys, my supporters.
And I think now it's really clearer than ever that what they want to do to MAGA supporters, the people who voted for President Trump, is essentially just what they're doing to Tesla cars, right?
Maybe they're just too scared to actually do it to MAGA supporters themselves.
When you really drill down into who's funding this, right, this idea you see it in left-wing media all the time that it's organic and the people just are so opposed to cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.
Well, that's That's not true, right?
Most poignantly, I think the example, I love this group, it's called Families Over Billionaires.
Well, guess what?
They're bankrolled, not just by a foreign Swiss billionaire, but more to the point, they're part of that left wing dark money, Arabella advisors, new venture fund, 1630 fund, whole apparatus.
And when you really start to tug on that string, you find groups like Indivisible, which has become the railhead of sort of the anti-Tesla, anti-Doge, anti-stopping waste fraud and abuse group.
It was funded overwhelmingly by the Open Society Foundations.
As you were alluding to, ever since being called out, they've started erasing webpages that reveal reimbursements, in some cases up to $200, in some cases up to $1,500 for groups who are opposing President Trump and Elon Musk.
They've started wiping their board members, most notoriously the wife of Matthew Graves, who was the D.C.
attorney who was responsible for over 1,500 persecutions, prosecutions of J6ers.
So this is a very, very, shall we say, problematic group.
I mean, obviously, you know, Elon's going to be the big target right now, just because all, frankly, he's just been so effective at eliminating all these All the waste, fraud and abuse that's basically been a back channel funneling money to these leftist organizations for decades.
Any other thoughts on what they may be focused on next?
Well, look, I think this fits in very nicely with what is sort of the color revolution framework that people like Norm Eisen and a lot of the sort of MSNBC lawfare crew who sharpened their knives for the last four years with the various indictments We're good.
President Trump, but one of the core tenets of that beyond the impeachments, the stuff that we've already seen, is this sort of idea that the American people are so adamantly opposed to what your father is doing, to what Elon is doing, particularly with Doge.
So that's why when you watch MSNBC, when you watch Rachel Maddow, you're going to be Even though these protesters are crazy and deranged, they don't represent the majority of America.
But for the first time ever, the Madhouse Show debuted a 20 box where they had 20 concurrent live streams of all the protests going on across the country.
So it's very clear that they love this idea, this sort of astroturf narrative, that there is a lot of organic opposition to President Trump.
And it's sort of to the point where when Indivisible has their weekly town halls, they always like to stress the idea that they're, you know, grassroots funded and citizen funded.
Because when you really pull the curtain back and you see that these are essentially just paid protesters, paid activists who are doing the bidding of left wing oligarchs, it sort of, I think, negates their go to talking point that, you know, Elon is unelected or that left wing oligarchs, you know, or right wing oligarchs, we need to remove them from power.
They have a lot more large countrywide demonstrations planned, particularly focusing on doge.
They're also calling for arresting your father and impeaching your father.
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem like they're unwilling to move the goalposts to wherever that may be.
Obviously, they're committing violence.
They're burning down entire car dealerships.
I mean, it is pretty typical of this left, but you saw it even before they started attacking, you know, Elon and Tesla.
They were, you know, funding people to show up at town halls, pretending to be conservatives, you know, criticizing the policies of Trump.
That everyone, frankly, voted for.
So none of this is organic.
Just like those bricks that showed up at the riots during Kodosha and everywhere else didn't just magically show up in those places.
That was a setup.
It was all funded by someone.
Well, yeah, and to that point, I mean, I think the right wing, I think shows like yours, shows like War Room, people like Scott Pressler, if you want to have a conversation about, you know, grassroots activism, I missed all the media coverage of what the War Room audience did, right?
I missed all the coverage of the town halls that we held, sort of lighting up Democrats for voting to continue Biden-level spending.
So it's certainly a double standard.
And I think when you really start to look at who is behind this movement, it's the same organizers, it's the same activists who were protesting, whether it was the pro-Hamas demonstrations, the pro-BLM, they're all cut from the same plot.
They're sort of like guerrilla troops just waiting to be weaponized against whatever the issue may be.
And I think it really goes back to something that we saw quite prevalently, I think, among the sort of legacy media outlets just in the days after the election, which was this narrative that I'm sure you've heard, That this wasn't what the American people voted for, right?
They didn't vote for mass deportations.
They didn't vote for cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.
It's sort of the establishment's effort to, I think, reframe what the Trump agenda is about, what the America First movement is about.
And I think that this whole Doge idea is a very key component, right?
The idea that Americans overwhelmingly don't support The agenda of this administration, but it's not actual Americans.
It's, you know, people who are being paid, subsidized, or reimbursed to oppose it rather violently at that.
Yeah, no.
There doesn't seem to be anything organic about it.
You see the talking points sort of changing on a daily basis.
They say, you know, egg prices haven't gone down well.
You know, he was in office for seven minutes and they expected egg prices to fall.
Like, nothing happens that quickly.
Like, same with tariffs.
Like, some of these things actually take a little bit of time.
We have to play that long game, not just go for the instant gratification that these guys are so used to.
You know, it's part of perhaps the problem of two-year election cycles and whatnot for Congress.
Everyone's taking Making bad short-term decisions to win votes rather than good long-term decisions for the country.
Well, maybe if these judges didn't keep stepping in the way and this agenda was actually being able to be rolled out, we'd see, you know, quicker, I think, results.
But I think thus far it's been absolutely perfect.
Wonderful, but I think, too, like, there's this idea, take the mass deportation sort of angle, vertical, for an example, right?
The left is apoplectic over the idea that one or two people may have accidentally been swept up, which, no offense, I'm not going to take someone who's sitting in a, you know, El Salvadorian prison who will say anything to get out of there being represented by the ACLU, okay?
They allege that maybe they were wrongfully detained.
Well, how about this?
Maybe Joe Biden shouldn't have let over 10 million illegal aliens into this country, because that's certainly going to Yeah, Thank God we have your father back.
But yeah, it's gonna take a little longer than seven minutes.
well, and beyond that, it's like...
They're even fighting for the murderers and rapists to stay, you know?
I mean, I don't know, man.
Someone who was in here illegally was let in here, if they're inconvenienced for a couple hours or a couple days even, to get rid of the murderers and rapists that they've flooded our cities with seems like a...
seems fine to me.
I'm okay with that as an American.
And I think most Americans are.
I think immigration is probably the largest issue that's a cross-cutting divide.
It was why your father, when he came down the escalator, right?
So I saw so many people were drawn to him.
That's why the build-the-wall chants became so popular.
And honestly, I think as we sort of go forward right into the midterms, into these elections, I think the left has sort of done their, you know, triage.
They've had their kumbaya circles and tried to understand why they lost the last election.
And I think they're really leaning into this whole idea that they're the new populists, right?
That they're anti-billionaires.
I think it's quite reductive in their messaging.
But when AOC and Bernie are barnstorming the country, holding their rallies, where they're lying about the size of it, which I think goes to that whole color revolution critique, you know, someone who wants to stand up there and say that they're fighting for American workers, for American families, when you click on AOC's website
and the first webpage that you're hit with is a know your rights campaign, how to avoid ICE if you're an illegal alien, how to avoid deportation, illegal immigration and legal immigration is the single largest detrimental force to the economic power, wages, you named it, lived experience of the average American worker.
So that I think hypocrisy and sort of double standard there is really the left's Achilles heel.
And I think that what your father is doing on the border is exposing that because like you I mean, you know, even if they're not murderers or rapists, but if they're here illegally, I mean, it feels like, you know, your representatives probably shouldn't be doing that.
I know if I was doing it, I'd probably get in a lot of trouble.
Yeah, they should and I think to that point it's quite interesting.
There's obviously a lot of discussion about act blue They have a lot of problems and mass exodus going on there.
Maybe some self deportations are needed But act blue has also been responsible for financing and funding a lot of this open borders chaos I put out a story not too long ago, but identifying dozens at the end of the day probably over a hundred Organizations that fundraise using the act blue platform, But they're all sort of part of that open borders network, really from cradle to grave, from start to finish.
These are NGOs that have set up water stations along the southern border, help identify migrants in third world countries that should come to the United States.
And once they arrive and are in ICE or CBP custody, groups like Catholic Charities or their Lutheran counterpart are also using ActBlue to fundraise to then fly illegal aliens into the interior of the country.
And a lot of these groups that are responsible for setting up these hotlines, the ones that AOC is recommending or sort of the.
Okay. Yeah,
a lot of these act blue left-wing groups use, I think you're going to find some really explosive stuff there too.
I don't think it's a coincidence that, what was it, like, the top seven people at ActBlue all resigned on the same day, and, like, the General Counsel was, like, reprimanded for being, like, talking about some of the shady stuff that was going on there.
And, I mean, that's not a coincidence.
I mean, I think we've been talking about this for a while, but if there was ever evidence that there's definitely something going on, I mean, that almost certainly is it to me.
Yeah, and I think the fact, I mean, I watch a lot of media, I really exclusively watch left-wing media, I've yet to see someone come out...
And really defend Act Blue, you know what I'm saying?
They love to melt down over everything that Republicans do and I think shutting down Act Blue would really fit into their critique that, you know, the Trump administration is dictatorial and that what they're doing is autocratic or authoritarian.
But I've yet to see anyone try to put their neck on the chopping block and say, you know what, Act Blue is actually an esteemed institution with integrity, we should defend it.
I don't see anyone doing that, and I think when you really start probing into it, which I think congressional, Republicans need to actually do something and not just put out the strongly worded letters and do their performative dance.
I think you're going to find a lot of concerning data points there, shall we say.
Natalie, you also found some tape of the, you know, Open Society discussing plans to quote, redesign the world.
I mean, that seems like a big one.
What else did you find and what does it mean?
Yeah, quite the agenda.
So that was the president of the Open Society Foundations, obviously George Soros kind of main philanthropic entity that he uses to weaponize billions of dollars to really reshape the world with his globalist orientation.
I was watching her speech and it really, I was about to say, gave me deja vu, but perhaps PTSD is a better descriptor.
It's just sort of the World Economic Forum, right?
The idea of you'll owe nothing and you'll be happy and the great reset and all these sort of weird agendas that really only derive from this kind of global government theory where the idea that these unelected bureaucrats, not just here in the United States, but sort of this global UN superstructure, should have any say over what we do.
And she talks about wanting to redesign the world.
I don't think anyone elected you to do that, but also that we need a new, quote, moral imagination.
I don't really know what that means.
And I don't know if people want to know what that means.
But she also goes on to sort of endorse the lawfare that we've seen
Okay. Right?
Politics is downstream from culture.
But this guy was a Marxist through and through.
It's cultural Marxism to a T. And she actually quotes him, which is quite outlandish to say that out loud.
You talk about the Frankfurt School, that whole kind of theory of the case.
She says that that is who they're looking to in this moment.
So it just shows you how radical.
And to their core Marxist, I mean, I know it's always a right-wing trope that we call everyone a Marxist, but in this case, they're saying the quiet part out loud and admitting it.
So, when we talk about the funding mechanisms, whether it's ActBlue or otherwise, and the structures around that, what exactly is the Soros network?
How many different groups are we talking about in this?
It's not just one guy that's funding all these things.
There's all sorts of ties to the NGOs, and basically, he's getting loans from USAID for some of the networks that he's operating that are, frankly, just working back as globalist kickback schemes, aren't they?
Yeah, so I always say the left kind of plays a similar game with all of the funding stuff that they do with the COVID origins theory in which they love to erase the evidence and then accuse us of spreading conspiracy theories because we quote-unquote don't have the evidence but in reality they're going out of their way to erase it and hide it and we see that with a lot of the ways that these 501c3s, the c4s, the 990 forms are structured and really to its core the dark money group that's not, you know, Just a witty catchphrase.
It's dark money.
You can't tell where it's coming from, and it's all intentional and by design.
So Open Society Foundations is actually more transparent, if not probably the most, and sort of the Soros umbrella of networks.
But there's really what is called Arabella Advisors, which you're not even talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, you're talking about billions of dollars.
And that's sort of a collective pool amalgamation of funds from a lot of left-wing billionaires or just hardcore left-wing donor types, but it also sort of brings in some of the kind of never-Trump right too, like the Lincoln Project, the Reid-Hoffmans of the world, those types.
So under that Awesome.
Uh, billionaires.
And that's who is funding these groups.
And there's some other important ones like the Tides Foundation, the Rockefeller, Philanthropies, the Gates Foundation.
And I think it's so hard to get lost in it, right?
Sort of like the Hunter Biden hard drive.
There's so many names and people and it's crazy.
But I think the important thing to remember is that The same groups who are funding, you know, the pro-COVID lockdowns, the pro-COVID vaccine propaganda, the pro-open borders, the anti-tariff campaigns, it's all the same people.
And when the DNC had the huge crazy fire flag burning protests going on outside, and then inside they pretended like they liked the American flag for once, make no mistake, those people are funded by the exact same entity, the Tides Foundation, for example.
So the Democratic Party They're all activists.
It's just sort of a sliding scale of who I think is more convincing and pretending like they maybe like this country.
Yeah, no.
It never ends there.
But it also doesn't stop with just those networks.
I mean, you recently posted a video about how Chinese companies are deceptively trying to buy up American companies.
We actually did a story like that on the show right here, where we found a French CEO basically appearing on CCP media outlets and how he wants to buy up Midwestern health food probiotic companies.
Is this all part of a larger pattern?
What do you think can be done about it?
Yeah, I mean, I think what undergirds it is the idea that American sovereignty doesn't matter, right?
Only politicians who don't believe that America is a country and borders matter would think it's a good idea to cede said territory to Chinese Communist Party linked entities.
And I think the China threat is unique in the sense that they are not content with having a bipolar world order.
They want to be the new global hegemon.
And you can have the discussion about what being a global power means.
But I don't think living in a world where Xi Jinping is the prevailing or predominant dictator is necessarily something that the American people want.
But what it really goes back to is their theories, their approach is sort of infiltration, not invasion.
Right. They don't want to go to war.
They saw what happened with the United States and all these forever wars, the graveyard of empires in Afghanistan, you name it.
So they prefer to sort of.
Put people on their payroll, have these sort of lucrative contracts, these really foreign influence operations.
Hunter Biden is sort of a myopic example, but don't miss the forest.
For the trees, but that's how they get these cushy kind of sweetheart deals.
And it really to its core is economic warfare.
It's information warfare.
But I think it speaks to sort of the American ruling class, the American elite.
I'm inclined, there's this very, I think, shocking study.
It was under Joe Biden, who of course wrote, what was it?
The famous op-ed, you know, a rising China lifts all boats.
It's great for everyone.
But it's like 80 something percent of Americans fear the rise of China.
And like, in that polling, right, the 1 in 10, 2 in 10 people who don't, that right there is the sort of ruling class, the managed decline sort of managers, right, who have profited quite handsomely, quite beautifully off of allowing these Chinese Communist Party-linked companies, entities, to purchase a lot of these companies here in the United States.
And it's also, I mean, China, I think they own about one third of all sovereign wealth funds in terms of their investment, and they will partner with American firms like Goldman Sachs, for example.
And then even under the auspices, so it's not technically a Chinese Communist Party run venture, right?
It's this sort of shady shell games.
Because like I said, it is economic warfare to them, and they're trying to take over this country from within without having to fire a shot.
And I guess the last four years of Joe Biden made it a lot closer.
Luckily, we can reverse some of that.
Well, there was definitely some outrage today from the White House Correspondents Association.
So on the media front, what do you think about how the White House is remaking the briefing room?
Oh, it's amazing.
As someone who has the honor and privilege to go there every day, as probably one of the most infamous members of the new media cohort, the people who are in there, I mean, they're such pseudo-intellectuals, they have such a superiority complex, and it's just kind of funny every time I walk through that door, they are aghast at looking at the presence of War Room or these other outlets in there.
I always say, we're on a perpendicular Track and trend lines in terms of viewership.
So maybe you shouldn't be judging the outlets that are absolutely trouncing you in terms of impact, too.
But it just sort of shows you, right, these outdated ways of thinking.
I don't understand.
They don't have good viewership.
The people who do watch their shows hate them.
They've also hemorrhaged their base because they lied to them for, what, months about the idea that democracy was the most important thing ever.
Then they're running down to Mar-a-Lago to have Brunch with your father So it's glorious to watch them melt down, but they're hardcore activists And I think the important thing to stress is that you know, they tried to wage warfare the first term Against President Trump by impeaching him because they had the house right they had different levers of power They had some governmental or institutional apparatus to wage that war,
but now they're so locked out of power that the media has become Exponentially more important to them in terms of a vertical to sort of fight back So that's why they're really so apoplectic over being, you know, kicked out of the pool.
Hopefully they're kicked out of their seats.
And I would argue, I'd say, take it all the way to the tent.
They shouldn't have tents.
But it's really fun to watch them melt down because these are people who for what so long have been beyond reproach.
So that's, I guess that's the perk of my job.
Yeah, I'm watching this press release.
I'm like, they're fighting for the people who no longer have viewership because they've lied to their people forever.
They've lied to their readers.
They've lost all credibility.
They have no views and they're upset about people who actually have credibility because they haven't lied to their people.
They've told them what is actually going on.
Those people then build up a following and they feel like because, you know, 75 years ago, their institution, whatever it may be, got a front row seat that they should maintain that even if no one's actually reading their garbage anymore.
I love eavesdropping on their conversations.
I always for like 10 minutes before I go and do a hit I'll just sit in the briefing room and and listen and I was waiting in line for the restroom once and there were two people behind me and this was like peak doge cuts and the guy turns to his colleague and it's just like it was like Tuesday or something like I'm just so tired.
I can't do this.
And the colleague is like, I know, it's just so much cutting.
They're just, they're deconstructing the entire government.
And they're like, I don't even know how to cover this.
So the American people, I don't think they care about this.
And I wanted to turn around and be like, no, no, no, this is exactly what the American people voted for.
But they have posters all over the press briefing room, like the we stand with AP kind of stuff.
So it's just a bunch of activists.
They're super cringe.
But I will tough it out so the warm audience can have their reports from the White House lawn, but they're not pleasant people to be around.
I definitely don't envy you having to even be remotely near most of those people.
But talk more about how the White House is actually embracing this new media.
What's it been like for you?
How's it been for some of your colleagues that aren't part of that left-leaning or full-on communist mainstream media complex?
How does it all work?
Yeah, so I think there's been an interesting conflation from the legacy media outlets with the idea that new media is entirely dominated by conservative pro-Trump voices, which I think is actually a tacit admission that the rising media interest is in pro-Trump Conservative outlets, right? But I think it's certainly a reflection of what they were doing on the campaign.
But there's outlets obviously like Worm in there, Daily Wire, Daily Signal, I think Tim Pool's show is now in there, Lindell TV, Turning Point, OAN has been there for a while.
But I mean, the big thing is obviously being able to ask questions in the press briefing room, but also I think just the appearance of being able, right, to do hits from the White House lawn I think is something that gives our outlets a lot of credibility in sort of the, I guess, more legacy media game of, you know, shots mattering, but most recently they just did A podcast row on top of a radio row, so they invited a lot of podcasters.
Not just, you know, explicitly hardcore pro-Trump outlets, but sort of everyone.
And they circulated a lot of members of the cabinet and senior advisors to President Trump and allowed us to interview them for like 15 minutes each.
So there's definitely an effort, I think.
Not so much, you know, I think we were attacked for being state propaganda, to have, you know, we're not told what to say to echo their talking points, but just to, I think, give the, I think the most charitable way to frame it is for the people who voted and knocked doors for President Trump to give us access to the people that they worked to get elected,
right? Why should CNN have a monopoly on those people when time and time again the only thing we've ever seen them do is exploit and abuse that privilege to try to get a gotcha question, which That's where I haven't seen to really get one, but they're just they're very petulant and just misguided.
And like I said, pseudo intellectuals.
Yeah. So you recently went on a left wing podcast.
Brave. What was that like?
And how should we be engaging with the other side?
So you know, I'm all for that debate.
I've done the university tours with Charlie Kirk for 10 years now and going to the places we're not supposed to be.
But how did you find that?
I love it.
I love talking to people who I disagree with, because I think that a lot of right-wing media sometimes gets stuck in their own kind of echo chamber, right?
It can be kind of siloed.
And I think that that then gives these outlets sort of the chance to strawman our arguments.
In other words, I think it was probably the first time that these two individuals had to defend the idea that deporting, you know, rapist gang member Yeah, I think that's a good question.
I was also, I had the chance to go after Christopher Steele on the Piers Morgan show.
That was great.
It was great.
I loved being able, you know, and you know why that was important?
Because I think within the sort of left wing media sphere, just the establishment figures like him.
Legacy and how they're perceived is very important to them, right?
People like Fauci, I think, are a perfect example of that.
And because they'll never go, or I guess mistakenly in the case of Christopher Steele, on outlets where they're going to get not attacked, but justifiably criticized, right?
I think it's important to let them know and be a reminder of what the American people actually think of them.
Because last time I checked, Christopher Steele, for everything that he has done to try to destroy this country and your father, not once has he ever been critically examined or really called out to his face about it.
He thinks he's right.
It's wild watching it.
He's like, I'm very...
Well, you're either in on it, in which case...
Or you're the dumbest human being in the world.
Probably a little bit of both.
Uh, but, you know, this guy's a clown, but he thinks he's such, you know, a great thing because he basically perpetrated a lie on the American people.
It's, like, kind of nuts.
Yeah, and I think that accountability matters, right?
And I think for so long, elected Republicans have sort of defined accountability as their, you know, nice, strongly worded letters and their tweets, and I think shows like yours, shows like War Room, and really the MAGA movement more broadly represent a sort of, I think, movement and adjusting of those goalposts to say, you know what? No, it's prison time for people who have committed crimes.
It's investigations for people who need to be investigated.
So if the opening salvo to that, if it takes a Natalie Winters rant against Christopher Steele for him to know that the American people do not like him, I will happily and humbly do that.
But I think congressional Republicans and everyone else needs to step up their game because these are probably the easiest cases to prosecute in terms of lying and who knows financially what other crimes have been committed allegedly.
Well, you know, talk about that.
I mean, the success of Wardroom.
It feels like you're always doing a show.
What are you hearing from the audience?
What are you learning from them?
I mean, it's clearly much more interactive when you're on something like this.
I can read the comments even from the lunatics sometimes in here on a daily basis.
You know, what are you hearing from the audience in terms of what they think is going on right now?
Well, I always like to brag, War Room is live for, I believe, one-sixth of every day, four hours.
They, I think, love War Room and see it as an outlet for not passive consumption of media, right?
There's always an action-oriented call.
There's always sort of an ability to inform you of what you can do, right?
I think our audience became famous, infamous, depending how you look at it, for making phone calls and burning down those phone lines.
And it's a very powerful tool.
And funnily enough, it's what The left-wing Indivisible group does too.
They sort of culturally appropriated us, and I think that for our audience, the very nuanced and niche EOs, like going after the security clearances at these law firms, that is very retribution-coded, and they love it, and it demonstrates an understanding Well,
Natalie, thank you so much for everything you're doing.
We're going to continue following your work on War Room.
Really appreciate you coming back on, and we will see you soon.
Thank you so much for having me.
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And how the Inflation Reduction Act was really nothing more than the left's way of laundering their far-left climate change pet projects into law while claiming it was about lowering costs.
Anything they name in Congress, any bill, it's usually the opposite of what it intended and that's exactly what we got here.
Republicans must reject these IRS subsidies and make sure the American people don't have to fund dirty tricks and green energy giveaways.
And that's not all.
This, the UN will vote on, actually.
An ocean carbon tax that would spike the price of food, fuel, and everyday essentials, hitting Americans hardest.
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And it's, these are the things that they do.
They always like, you know, America is going to end up paying the brunt of it and it'll destroy our middle class to do something that no one else is going to do.
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So joining me now, the author of Fossil Future and founder of energytalkingpoints.com, Alex Epstein.
Alex, good to see you, man.
How are you?
Good to see you again.
Doing great.
People don't usually see me with a tie, but I just did a panel with Secretary Chris Wright and Senator Mike Lee on The energy future.
So that's why I'm all dressed up.
I got my nuclear tie on.
Well, welcome back to the show.
Thank you.
You do talk about the need for true American energy dominance, but the rest of the world doesn't see it that way.
What's going on at the UN with this insane carbon tax?
Yes, I mean, the UN has really been the number one villain in the US energy story.
They've pushed this idea of net zero by 2050, which means basically eliminate all fossil fuels or close to all fossil fuels by 2050.
And they've tried these different scams for it.
So like last year, they tried to get a trillion dollars a year in reparations, largely paid by us.
And you know, obviously, that's not going to happen under the current administration.
But What they're currently doing covertly is trying to pass an ocean carbon tax through something called the International Maritime Organization, which is another kind of UN body.
And this is something that it slipped under my radar.
So I started sharing it with everyone I could, you know, everyone I know in the different parts of the administration, because this is something the administration can stop, particularly the State Department can stop.
But it's the kind of thing that's usually given to kind of a low level functionary.
And there's just so many bad things that the world does.
and so many bad things, honestly, Biden did, that it's hard to keep track of all of them.
So that's why I wanted to sound the alarm about this one,'cause if this were passed at the high end of what they're talking about, $150 a ton, that doubles the price of fuel for us, ocean fuel for our tankers and this kind of thing, and container ships, and that makes everything in our economy more expensive and it hurts America most of all.
So I'm glad you're aware of it'cause hopefully it spreads the word to others.
Mike Lee, senator, posted about this today.
So I'm glad people are on top of it now.
I mean, give us some of the high-level details of just how bad this would be and what it aims to do because, you know, you're right.
America always ends up bearing the brunt of this, right?
If it was the Paris Climate Accords, you know, China may look at it in 2030 and India and, you know, the world's biggest polluters by a lot.
You know, America's going to destroy their middle class, destroy everything, do something.
And then in the end, those guys will renegotiate in 2030 and say they were just kidding.
They need 10 more years to get there.
And, you know, we destroy our middle class.
Funding this ridiculous nonsense while the worst offenders continue to do it unabashedly.
Right. So that's the thing on the large scale.
I mean, this particular thing is significant.
So we often give these figures in dollars per ton.
So people hear like $150 a ton.
That doesn't sound that bad.
But if you translate it to a gallon of gasoline, it's like $1.25 per gallon of gasoline.
And it's actually even more for the kind of oil that we're using on container ships.
So just imagine that every ship that's transporting across the ocean for us is doubling In fuel costs, fuel cost is a huge component of other costs.
This is why when oil prices go up, everything prices go up.
Now it's hard enough to keep oil prices low through profitable production, but this is deliberately trying to raise a new tax on us just to make, because people don't want us to be using oil.
That's one thing people need to realize when they hear the other side sometimes talk about, we want lower gasoline prices.
That's not true.
They actually want higher gasoline prices because that's the only thing that will discourage people from using gasoline, or in this case, fuel oil for ships.
How does all of this relate to what we've seen with the not-so-aptly-named Inflation Reduction Act subsidies?
It's really just about shutting down the ability to make oil make sense?
It's a little different for those.
So, like, if you want to think about, you know, the broad agenda of, like, there's the green new scam aspect of it, and then there's the end fossil fuels aspect of it.
And they both claim to be about replacing fossil fuels, but one of them, like this carbon tax and the net zero thing, that's focused on elimination by sort of punishing us directly.
And by the way, that's the most honest way of doing it.
If you don't want people to use fossil fuels, punish them for using fossil fuels.
But what the Green New Scam does, you know, the IRA, so the IRA Inflation Reduction Act, which, as you mentioned, shouldn't be called that, it should be called the Inflation Act, because it raises prices by subsidizing expensive, unreliable energy, in large part.
What it does, you know, for the next 10 years, if we don't stop it, it's a trillion dollars added to the debt.
So a trillion dollars in a decade, many more trillions after that, by the way, but a trillion dollars added to the debt.
And what it's doing is it's propping up different forms of energy Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
tells utilities, hey, we're going to give you a bunch of money if you buy unreliable solar and wind, and that money gets taken away.
from gas and coal plants.
So it's actually defunding gas and coal plants, which is the worst thing in the world right now because we have an electricity crisis and we need way more electricity for increasing demand, especially from AI.
So the whole IRA thing, it really is a green new scam.
I think that's the way to put it.
And the president ran on, we're going to terminate the green new scam.
And what everyone needs to realize is that's the IRA.
The IRA was the green new scam.
It's this premise that if we subsidize expensive, unreliable electricity and energy, somehow we're going to reduce our CO2 emissions.
Instead, it doesn't even reduce CO2 emissions much.
It just creates this incredible amount of waste And distortion.
So I think, you know, all Republicans and really everyone should stand up against this thing.
But right now there's a lot of lobbyists trying to keep it up, unfortunately.
Yeah. And with wind and solar, I mean, you know, not nearly as reliable, but I mean, it seems like nuclear goes up against the same stuff as fossil fuels, but it's very reliable, very safe and efficient, especially these days, right?
You don't have to build on a fault line in the fifties when you don't necessarily know these things.
Now you're getting into small modular reactors and all this kind of technology.
It seems like we could do all of these things quite easily, but they keep pushing up these other technologies.
You know, solar, I mean, you've forgotten more about solar than I'll ever know, but I sort of feel like I've heard about solar being like the newest big deal for like the last 30 years that's never really matriculated.
Yeah, so with solar, when they give the hype, this is one thing that came up with my panel with Secretary Wright and Senator Lee today, they often will talk about like, hey, solar Capacity is going down in cost.
And the term capacity, if you ever hear that used with solar, you know you're dealing with a weasel.
Because when you talk about the capacity of something unreliable, it's not really a capacity.
It's just a hope.
So the capacity of a natural gas plant is the ability to produce an exact amount of energy on demand.
With solar, it's just a hope based on the weather.
So they'll say the capacity of solar has gotten really cheap, but That's not what delivers reliable electricity.
In order for solar to actually be cheap, the panels need to be cheap, the transmission needs to be cheap, and this is crucial, the batteries and supporting storage need to be cheap.
And that's where all the expense is.
So that's why people say, oh, solar is so cheap, but then we add all this solar and electricity somehow becomes more expensive.
That's because solar doesn't replace the reliable energy, it adds to the cost of reliable energy.
So what are your thoughts on nuclear as a solution for some of our energy needs?
And you're right.
I mean, with the advent of AI and all the stuff that you're doing, I mean, we don't produce enough energy to actually be the leaders in that movement.
And I think for America to remain at the top, we actually have to start producing enough to be able to do that.
Otherwise, someone else is going to do it before us.
Yeah, for sure.
So I think of nuclear as the biggest energy tragedy, because really in the late 60s, early 70s, America was the world leader in nuclear.
We were producing cheap, reliable, and this is important, safe.
Nuclear is the safest practical energy technology ever invented.
So whatever people tell you, it's the safest thing ever.
So even nuclear then was the safest thing.
And instead of embracing that, the green movement that claims to care about pollution and now CO2, they shut it down by regulating it to the point of criminalizing it.
So we basically had 50 years of handicaps, to the point where from the time the NRC came into existence, Nuclear Regulatory Commission, in 1975, to 2023.
So 48 years, we didn't have one new plant go from conception to completion.
And the ones that did, the Vogel ones, those were you know 10 times about Over cost.
So we've taken a technology that should have gotten way cheaper and made it catastrophically more expensive.
Now, fortunately, we have some really good people in the administration, particularly chairman of the NRC.
Now, David Wright is really good, and he understands some of the fundamental deregulatory things that need to happen.
If people go to my website, energy talking points dot com, they can look at our energy plan.
There's a lot of really detailed things that need to be done by the administration and by Congress.
To undo this criminalization.
One of them is called Linear No Threshold.
It's a model that says any amount of radiation is dangerous, which is absurd.
That's like saying any amount of sunlight is absurd.
But based on that, they set the radiation levels 50 times lower than they should be.
And they make all this stupid overbuild of everything.
And it literally does not save one fraction of one life, but it makes nuclear catastrophically expensive.
So they're like, Eight things on that level that need to be changed.
And I'm optimistic that we can, but this is part of the reason why I try to work behind the scenes with people to help them with this, because this is really urgent.
And, you know, we only have a certain amount of time with energy-friendly people.
We only know, you know, how long, we don't know how long it's going to last.
So I'm trying to take advantage of it at the moment.
Alex, talk a little bit about how the Biden administration really stood in the way of energy innovation, especially when it comes to clean coal, which the left obviously hates.
From my understanding, the Department of Energy even holds the patents to some of the fossil fuel technology, but it hasn't actually been licensing or putting it in the public domain to actually be utilized.
The previous administration refused it.
They buried it.
You know, what can Secretary Wright do about just that?
Well, just to answer your first question, I was smiling because saying like they didn't, you know, help the innovation is like saying, you know, Tony, Tonya Harding didn't help Nancy Kerrigan's innovation.
I mean, it was a very deliberate effort, both through what's called the whole-of-government climate agenda, which just means the whole-of-government anti-fossil fuel agenda, but also a lot of things subtly at the EPA.
So what they would do is they would set what's called NAAQS, National Ambient Air Quality Standards.
They would set it, particularly with something called PM 2.5, particulate matter 2.5.
Yeah, absolutely.
At shutting down fossil fuels for climate reasons.
You have to imagine the Biden administration was just a monomaniac about shutting down fossil fuels for climate reasons.
And their number one target was coal.
Now this was a disaster because coal even now is one sixth of our reliable capacity, our actual capacity that we can call upon on demand.
And they really made it their mission to eliminate it by any means that they could.
example, they had these EPA regulations that you might have heard of that demanded that every coal plant shut down unless it can capture 90% of CO2.
Okay, we have 2000 coal plants in North America, exactly two of them capture any CO2 on a commercial scale, neither of them is close to 90% that's never been achieved, and they're all catastrophically expensive.
So it basically banned all coal plants.
So it was just It's so bad because now we have increase in demand, right?
So we just destroyed the supply and now we have increase in demand.
So what can be done?
I mean, definitely any of these technologies, we shouldn't slow walk them in so far as they're available.
But here are the things we need to do.
First of all, get rid of the Inflation Reduction Act, particularly the solar and wind subsidies, because as long as you have those, you're defunding the coal plants and they cannot stay alive.
The other thing, and Administrator Zeldin is doing a great job on this, It's off to a great start here, but you need to stop the EPA's absolute demolition of coal, which they've done through so many fronts.
And one thing that I'm sure they'll get to, but is really important, is they have to look at what's called the state implementation plans for different states, because what those are doing is they're preventing coal plants from utilizing their full capacity by having very irrational caps on different kinds of emissions.
So what you need is basically, let's stop shutting down the coal plants, And then let's utilize the coal plants to their capacity because the easiest electricity to get is the electricity we already have.
But we have a lot of coal plants that we're threatening to shut down and we're not using fully.
Let's reverse both of those.
Alex, what does American energy dominance look like and what's the moral case for fossil fuels?
So in terms of what energy dominance looks like, I think of it primarily through an energy, what I call an energy freedom lens.
So it means every form of energy is free to produce and compete as producers judge best and consumers judge best.
You just can't, you know, unreasonably endanger others, you know, by harming their land or fouling up their air or that kind of thing.
But besides that, may the best man win.
I mean, this is we didn't have like a, you know, we didn't have computer plans and stuff like this.
We just let the computer manufacturers be free.
So I think I think the key to energy dominance.
So I think of energy dominance as a combination of prosperity and security.
And both of those are primarily achieved through energy freedom.
So freedom for, for example, getting in the way of impediments to oil and gas production, getting in the way of impediments to pipelines, particularly gas pipelines.
That and the grid are the number one and two issues that we have to fix.
Unleashing affordable, reliable electricity by getting rid of preferences for unreliable electricity and by getting rid of irrational attempts to shut down coal and even national Yeah.
natural gas plants.
You need to unleash nuclear.
You need to get rid of this idea that we're going to protect ourselves from climate danger by destroying the American economy.
No, you protect yourself from climate danger by being incredibly resilient.
That's why, by the way, our climate deaths are down 98% over a century because we've become so much more resilient using fossil fuels.
And then we innovate in a free market.
If you want lower carbon energy, Don't destroy America and then China is still building 300 new coal plants, actually innovate new technologies like nuclear.
So that's what it takes to get energy dominance.
In terms of the moral case for fossil fuels, it's very simple.
If you want a world that is a much better place to live for human beings, you need affordable, reliable energy for as many of the 8 billion people in the world as possible.
And fossil fuels are the only thing for that for the foreseeable future that can do that.
And any negative side effects they have, including climate, are tiny compared to those benefits.
That's why, as I said with climate, we've gotten far safer from climate.
So people need to understand energy is so valuable.
Nothing is better for human life than unleashing energy.
And almost any problem you can solve with more energy.
And if you don't have much energy, you have every problem in the world.
Well, Alex, thank you so much.
Really appreciate you doing this.
Let everyone know what your Twitter handle and stuff like that, because again, you know, in the times we've spoken, you just understand the energy side and a lot of the stuff that's not being told to the American people as we're making these decisions.
And so people are making decisions in a vacuum without all of that knowledge.
Where can they find you and follow you?
So my Twitter is at Alex Epstein, and then we have a website, energytalkingpoints.com.
People can actually talk to fake me through alexepstein.ai.
It's actually really good.
People in government really use alexepstein.ai.
And I would say anyone who's a political official or anything like that, or you're working on these things, you can just email me directly.
If you want an answer to some question, I have a good team.
We can answer anything.
So my email is alex at alexepstein.com.
Very nice.
Well, Alex, thank you again, man.
I really appreciate it.
Look forward to seeing you soon.
All right.
Thanks a lot.
Take care.
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