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What are These Mystery Drones? Plus Inside the Swamp’s CR. Interview with Lue Elizondo | TRIGGERED Ep.200
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Thank you.
Today we're bringing back UFO and UAP expert, former Army Counterintelligence Agent Lou Elizondo.
With these mysterious drones in New Jersey, New York, all over the country, and now all over the world in the news every day, we figured Lou would be perfect to separate fact from fiction.
First, We were told they were Iranian.
Then maybe Chinese.
Then some statements from the DHS and FBI that no one really believes or understands.
And then a whole bunch of different videos popped up, raising even more questions.
So we're going to get into all of that.
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And now let's get into some of the top headlines of the day.
We begin with the mysterious drones being spotted across New Jersey and elsewhere.
What are they?
Whose are they?
And what are they actually doing?
These so-called questions that the so-called experts and government officials seemingly don't want to answer.
But don't worry.
According to the FBI, DHS, and other really trustworthy agencies, everything is totally fine.
Doesn't matter if we can see thousands of drones flying over private airspace or over airports that would never be allowed to have other drones over.
Doesn't mean, doesn't matter that we don't know where they're coming from and we see, we can't track where they're from.
It doesn't matter that some people can have a seven-foot drone hovering over their heads, but you can't actually hear it.
And then they disappear in a blink of an eye.
It doesn't matter.
In a three-hour briefing with the House Intelligence Committee earlier this week, intelligence officials insist there is nothing nefarious about the drone invasion.
But the fact remains that mysterious drones have been all over the sky and we aren't exactly getting a lot of information about what they are doing or what they may be looking for.
The drone sightings began in mid-November and were hovering over my father's place in Bedminster, New Jersey.
And now, state and local officials are pressuring the federal government to take actual action for a change, or to at least give some guidance on exactly what's going on.
That seems pretty reasonable.
It's not what they're doing, though.
And let's be honest, with this outgoing administration, does anyone really trust what we're being told or what might have been said during a briefing?
We're going to get into all of this and much more with Lou and get a clearer picture of the actual facts.
That's coming up.
But also, sadly, some in the swamp are trying to get away with more business as usual.
They're ignoring the mandate from the American people to end that crap because it's all they have.
It's the end of the year, and yet again, Congress is trying to rush through a massive disaster 1,500-page CR to fund the government through spring.
Now, they put it out, gives you a day to read 1,500 pages with a lot of detail, so no one actually checks, no one's actually read it, no one knows exactly what's in it, but that doesn't matter.
We were told it would be a clean CR, but from what we've been learning, it's packed with pork.
It's packed with waste.
We're doubling up and tripling up on things, basically bribing other congressmen with little...
Pet projects so that they vote for this thing.
You can't one day be all about Doge and then also be about this.
I'm talking to you, Republicans from the swamp.
You can't put this square in that circle.
It doesn't work.
You can't have it both ways.
The American people want answers.
I know Congress wants to get home for Christmas and then rush this stuff at the last minute before we can find what's actually in it.
Remember Nancy Pelosi?
You just gotta vote for it.
Then we'll figure out what's actually in it.
And as Senator Mike Lee pointed out, What do RFK Stadium, $50 billion for Big Pharma, and new Smithsonian museums have to do for Americans devastated by the hurricanes?
Seemingly nothing, but I guess...
That's how you get people to actually act and do what's right for the American public and the constituency that many of them actually represent.
Meanwhile, with just over a month until my father's inauguration, the transition team is moving full speed ahead on getting this country back on track on day one.
And that of course includes mass deportations and securing the border.
You remember Aurora, Colorado, guys?
Hmm.
That's the city in Colorado that has been terrorized by the illegal Venezuelan immigrant gang, Trendy La Agua.
Okay?
They took over an apartment complex, but it was only a couple buildings, folks, according to people in the mainstream media.
What difference does it make?
They were extorting and beating up residents.
But the media told us not to worry about it.
Obviously, that was prior to an election because they understand maybe the American public doesn't think it's great for Venezuelan drug gangs to be taking over civilian American buildings and kicking out their residents.
I mean, you would think that'd be something they'd care about, but sadly, they didn't.
They said it was fake news and that there was no illegal immigrant gang threat.
As always, we were right and the media was wrong.
They were just doing the bidding of the Deep State and the Democrat Party.
Fourteen gang members linked to Trenelagua were arrested at that same apartment complex this week.
Watch this great video from Byron Donald's office explaining exactly what's going on here.
Senator Vance, I'm going to stop you because I know exactly what happened.
I'm going to stop you.
The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment complexes and the mayor said our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns.
A handful of problems.
Only, Martha, do you hear yourself?
Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs and Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris' open border.
Americans are so fed up with what's going on.
We're in Colorado now.
This is a live look now.
The sun is up there in that state and police have now detained 14 people and reported armed home invasion.
That's the same apartment complex where a lot of people were complaining about the armed Venezuelan gang members roaming the halls.
Reports indicate that investigators said that several suspects entered the apartment and had two people inside.
The suspects then reportedly moved the victims to another apartment complex Or rather, another unit on the property where police said they were found threatened and bound.
An adult man sustained a non-life-threatening stab wound.
Now, as we've told you, on their way out, the Biden administration is doing everything possible, everything they can to create as many headaches as possible. everything they can to create as many headaches as possible.
And we're now learning that the Biden administration swamp is attempting to help shield illegal immigrants from accountability.
They're literally auctioning off tons and tons of steel bollards for the border wall.
Steel that my father purchased that they didn't install because they wanted an open border.
And now they're trying to sell it off on pennies on the dollar to stop my father from being able to complete the wall.
What possible justification exists for doing that?
Didn't the American people look at the illegal immigration issue as one of the major forces just a few weeks ago on November 5th?
On top of that, they're ushering in as many illegals as possible.
Check out this video from San Diego's border with Mexico.
All of these illegal immigrants you see are coming through an appointment by scheduled through Biden's CBP1 app.
This is happening every single day, and it will continue until January 20th.
CBP1 is heading in.
Thank you.
In that group of illegals, there are bound to be several criminals and even terrorists or two.
Recently, CPP arrested a terrorist shockingly already here in the country.
You can't make this up.
It's just like when they let in, what is it, 13,000 known murderers, 16,000 sex offenders and rapists, 600,000 criminals.
They truly don't care about Americans.
They just want guaranteed votes for Democrats.
We just heard tonight that a South African national on the FBI terror watch list was just arrested in New York.
How many more are out there?
But what do we know about this?
Yeah, so he was picked up in Brooklyn.
So he was initially arrested by Texas DPS back in September.
He crossed illegally near Eagle Pass, a little town called Normandy.
Texas troopers arrested him when he was sneaking through a private ranch.
He was with a group of other special interest aliens, some from Pakistan, some from other countries.
So Texas arrested him for a criminal trespass.
They handed him over to the custody of the federal government.
And then at some point, the feds released him.
And he made his way to New York.
And during that intermission point, they got a little more investigative material and said, oops, he's a match to the FBI's terror watch list.
We better go pick him up.
And then ICE and other federal agencies were able to find him in Brooklyn, in New York City.
He's now back in federal custody.
But how many times have we heard this now, Laura?
Again, there's an issue with the vetting.
They let him go.
And then some derogatory info pops up later on down the road.
They have to go find him again.
We have our work cut out for us over these next four years.
We have to stop the flow of illegals at the border and deport these criminals and terrorists that have been let in by Biden.
But some in the media apparently still think there's no crisis.
PolitiFact just came out with their lie of the year.
They claimed that the lie of the year was J.D. Vance and my father rightly pointing out that locals in Springfield, Ohio, had reported that Haitian immigrants were eating pets and wreaking havoc on the community.
What do you think was the lie of the year?
Was it Joe Biden saying he wouldn't pardon Hunter Biden?
Was it Tim Walsh saying he was in combat?
Or what about this moment from Joe Scarborough?
This one's a real gem.
But comparing that guy's mental state, I've said it for years now, he's cogent.
But I undersold him when I said he was cogent.
He's far beyond cogent.
In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been intellectually, analytically, because he's been around for 50 years.
And, you know, I don't know if people know this or not.
Biden used to be a hothead.
Sometimes that Irishman would get in front of the reasoning.
Sometimes he would say things he didn't want to say.
This is...
And I don't really...
You know what?
I don't really care.
Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth.
And F you if you can't handle the truth.
This version of Biden...
Intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever.
Not a close second.
And I've known him for years.
The Brzezinski's have known him for 50 years.
If it weren't the truth, I wouldn't say it.
Remember, guys, it doesn't matter.
The lie of the year was something that was objectively right and on video, with people filing numerous reports to the police department and bringing it up at local town halls.
No, no, no.
That's the lie of the year.
Like all the lies that don't work for the Democrats, turns out to be true.
The best Biden ever?
The media just won't learn their lesson.
But they're not alone.
Because another issue our so-called leaders are still failing on is protecting girls' sports from the trans lunacy taking over our country.
For example, just last week, NCAA President Charlie Baker was on Capitol Hill.
And he can't explain why they let in men in girls' locker rooms.
He gets paid nearly $3 million a year and can't answer the question on everyone's mind.
Where is the courage from these so-called leaders?
Who should be actually in these leadership roles if they can't take a stand to protect actual women?
Watch this for yourself.
Have guidelines that instruct them what the best practices are, and your guidelines say that biological men can go in and use the women's locker rooms if they want to.
What the women want has nothing to do with it.
They're not mentioned in here at all.
Correct?
Correct.
It's right here.
You just reaffirmed them in May of this year.
I've got them.
I'm reading them.
I've got them off your website.
I believe our guidelines give people optionality with respect to how they choose to use their facilities.
What does that mean?
Optionality.
What it says is transgender student athletes will be able to use the locker room shower and toilet in accordance with their gender identity.
That means men will be able to use the women's locker rooms.
And as Riley Gaines and others have testified before this committee, that means if a man, a biological man, wants to use their locker room, they just have to accept it.
Or else the women have to go somewhere else.
They've got to go find an alternative.
Why is that fair?
We told the local folks who've hosted our tournaments they need to create accommodations for the people who are playing.
So it's the feds on the one hand, it's the locals on the other hand.
The only person who doesn't seem to bear any responsibility in this is you and the NCAA, who are the governing body.
And your testimony here today is you're not even subject to Title IX. Mr. Baker, I can't tell you how disappointed this makes me, but not just disappointed, frankly, infuriated for the student-athletes who are suffering because of your policies, and you won't even defend them.
You won't even take responsibility.
It's outrageous.
It's totally outrageous.
The Senate has expired.
I've been on this issue from the beginning, guys.
You know, mid-late 20-teens.
It's a real thing.
It's not popular with the people.
It's been subverted by the trans mafia so people actually think it means something and there's a lot more people actually for this thing than there are.
There was actually a story in the Daily Wire documenting how years ago I was talking about where this was all headed.
And I was exactly right.
And the good news is we can fix this come January 20th and stop the Biden Title IX overhaul and actually hold these schools and universities accountable.
And speaking of being right, we also learned recently that, yes, dozens of federal informants were present at the Capitol complex on January 6th.
I'm shocked.
I'm shocked.
There was a reason that Christopher Wray didn't want to release...
How many FBI agents or informants were actually in the Capitol building?
And if it was an insurrection, why didn't these people actually do something about it?
I mean, it seems like a big question that should be asked.
I'm sure they'll never answer it.
But we all know the answer intuitively already.
The inspector general found that 26 informants were in D.C. that day tasked with reporting on, quote, domestic terrorism subjects.
And yes, some of the informants did enter the restricted areas in and around the Capitol.
How many agents were also there?
How many gun-toting agents that could have actually stopped this from happening but seemingly allowed it were there?
Will we ever get the answers to that?
So how did the media cover it?
You'd think it would be obvious, but unfortunately it was obvious under the lens of which we all know.
Axios wrote a headline this week, quote, I mean, isn't this report, isn't it proof of the conspiracy we've all been talking about since January 6th?
And that's not all.
A House GOP report this week unveiled more evidence that Liz Cheney literally tampered with January 6 witness Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony, and the committee is now asking the FBI to investigate criminality.
Remember that Hutchinson was the one who made up the story about my father attacking the Secret Service, and he grabbed the steering wheel of the beast.
It was all made up.
Of course it was.
Did anyone really think that my father, what was it, 75 years old at the time?
Jumped from the back of a heavily guarded limo, beat the hell out of two young, well-armed, well-trained Secret Service agents who he happened to be good friends with to take over the beast.
By the way, if he actually did that, it would probably make me like him even more if he had the capability of doing that.
But it was sold to us as though it was the gospel.
It's insane.
Evidence uncovered by the House Committee revealed that evidence that Cheney tampered with at least one witness, Hutchinson, directly by secretly communicating with Hutchins without Hutchinson's attorney knowledge.
They carved out the lawyers because they knew they could manipulate more.
I mean, think about that.
That is criminal.
You think Liz Cheney's going to get the preemptive Joe Biden pardon so that they just...
You don't have to face any accountability?
I have a feeling we're going to see that, folks.
The report also found that the January 6th Select Committee neglected or withheld evidence from its final report and deleted voluminous records that it was supposed to preserve.
Remember that one with Russia, Russia, Russia?
How magically, what was it?
26 cell phones.
All of the information of all the people that were clearly setting this whole thing up.
It's gone.
It just disappeared, like that, in a blink of an eye.
Amazing!
I'm shocked to hear this, folks.
And there will be much more to come on all of that because we're still at just the tip of the iceberg on this corruption.
And lastly, if you needed any more reasons on why we need Doge, here it is.
A recent study found that only 6% of federal employees work from an office full-time.
We spend $16 billion, I believe it is, a year to operate government office buildings.
And yet, guys, they're largely empty.
A friend of mine had a meeting at the SEC where he showed up to the actual offices because they wanted to be in person.
And no one was there to the tune that they had a meeting in a dark room because no one even knew how to turn on the lights in the conference room.
That's how empty they are.
No one has any knowledge.
We're spending billions maintaining these things, paying for people who are working from home, probably walking their dogs and or taking side jobs.
And it's no big deal.
And a piece in the Daily Wire noted that even the head of the GSA, the General Services Administration, which manages federal real estate, works from home in, wait for it, folks, Missouri.
A far, far cry away from Washington, D.C., where they're supposed to be.
The work-from-home problem is so bad in the federal government that the water supply at the office of the EPA was left stagnant for so long that it developed dangerous levels of bacteria.
Think about that.
You can't make it up.
They're there so little that the EPA, the place that looks at probably bacteria and water, had bacteria in their water in their office because no one was ever there running the pipes.
You just can't make it up.
This has to stop.
Democrats are trying their hardest to lock in this ridiculous policy because it favors their bureaucrats who will keep doing their bidding.
And get this.
Biden recently signed a deal with Social Security Union to let 42,000.
42,000!
Okay, that's like a large stadium of government employees have a telework arrangement through 2029. Huh.
I wonder what exactly the purpose of that is.
It's all yet another reason why we need the cabinet picks confirmed swiftly to get the new administration staffed so we can get moving on cleansing out the waste and the rot inside our government.
And our interview with Lou is coming up in just moments.
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Joining me now, author of the book, Imminent, Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs, the former head of the Pentagon program responsible for the investigation of UFOs, Lou Elizondo, is back with us.
We spoke a couple, like two, three months ago, Lou.
A lot's going on, obviously everything, but with the drones and all that stuff, but thank you so much for being back with us.
Well, it's my honor and privilege to be back with you and your wonderful audience.
Thank you so much.
Could not be more timely.
You know, obviously, I don't need to state the obvious.
There's a lot going on right now, I'm sure both within your circles and our circles as well.
So thank you very much for taking the time to cover this issue of drones.
It is very important.
Yeah, it's crazy what's going on.
I mean, it's so...
When they're like, there's nothing going on here.
I mean, I'm watching videos of drones flying over Newark, like hundreds of them.
If you look at the time lapse, I'm like, this isn't like...
That's airspace that you don't let something get into.
So maybe I'd want to start by trying to just...
Understand what's going on with this.
All these mysterious drone sightings, thousands of them.
What should we make of it?
We're not getting any clear answers from lawmakers or our intelligence agencies.
I mean, that's pretty nefarious in and of itself.
I mean, if this is something that's blown up to be such a public concern and everyone's like, it's fine, trust me.
You know, that's when I stop trusting anything.
I mean, is there anything that stands out to you?
Yeah, so, well, you're right.
First of all, the whole quote, trust me, bro, isn't going to fly, especially with the American people.
The American people have a pretty good BS meter, I think, as proof of their last decision, right?
So, maybe to help your audience out, kind of go back a little bit in history and go about...
Maybe talking about the drones from a historical perspective, specifically what I mean is five years ago, four years ago, in Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, where a fleet of these very large drones, some even described as a quote-unquote mothership of other drones, smaller drones, We're seeing all over the place in Colorado, over censored military installations, local law enforcement, state law enforcement, all had videos and pictures of these things.
And even the FBI came in to investigate something very, very similar that we are now seeing here in New Jersey.
But the reality is, it's not just New Jersey.
This is becoming a global issue.
Um, there's a very good reporter named Ross Colthart out of Australia, who's reporting these incidents for some time now over sensitive military installations.
When I was, I just came back from London, maybe a week ago.
And over there, they had the same issue with drones over joint U S military UK bases, uh, that house some pretty sensitive stuff.
We'll just say.
Um, so this is not, uh, something new that we're just now experiencing with these civilian drones.
It looks like some of these are probably not civilian drones.
Some of them are very sophisticated.
So now, where are we today?
Well, over the last month, we started seeing drones over some very sensitive places like Langley Air Force Base.
Andrews Air Force Base, right?
So not just New Jersey.
We started seeing them in Florida, California, Oregon, even Air Traffic Control, ATC's got some very compelling recordings of these pilots seeing something in the sky that just simply doesn't make sense.
It's not showing up on radar, and it's not squawking a transponder code.
So in essence, these are vehicles flying in the dark, literally and figuratively, meaning there's no assigned sponsor to them.
So for the last month, we've been seeing these things now even over civilian major urban areas, populated areas like in New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts.
And the administration, current administration, let me caveat, the current administration has been scrambling trying to find answers.
What are these things?
Some of them have been described as being typical quadcopter, like maybe your neighbor's kid might have, just taking some videos of the property or maybe a real estate agent.
But others are strangely...
Much different.
Some of these have been described as the size of an SUV, quite possibly much, much larger.
Some of these have been described as coming out of the water and then immediately taking off.
And then some of these have been described as, when being provoked, disappearing, quote-unquote, into thin air.
And that's not my quote.
That's the quote of some of these eyewitnesses.
They've been seen by law enforcement.
They've been acknowledged by the Department of Energy, acknowledged by the Department of Defense and the FBI that these things are occurring.
And then in the last 24 hours, we have seen a role reversal in strategic messaging by this administration.
Let's not forget that up to 24 hours ago, the government had admitted, yes, these are real.
They are probably not foreign adversarial and they're definitely not our equities.
When I say ours, I mean the United States.
Yeah.
Now you have this line where they're saying, oh, by the way, it's been after a month.
We figured everything out.
Everything are manned vehicles, legally flying drones, and law enforcement aircraft.
I think anybody who has any kind of common sense can look at this and realize this is a quote-unquote pass-the-buck situation.
And unfortunately, I think the administration is more comfortable allowing the new administration handling it than handling it themselves.
And I think that's a problem.
So that's where we are.
Yeah, I mean, I've seen it myself.
I mean, you know, when my father was president, I mean, I've used drones for years.
You know, I use them down in Florida.
Literally, we put out shark baits with them.
We put a little outrigger clip on it and run a bait further than you can cast a rod, so you're fishing from the beach.
And I tried doing that one time in front of Mar-a-Lago, and they're like, you know, no drones, it'll shut up.
I couldn't even get the drone started, but then they were like, I'm like, I can't, like, if I wanted to, you know, if I wanted to do something to my father, I'd have done it a long time ago, folks.
Like, you know, I'm literally running out of bait, and like, You know, a civilian drone simply wouldn't be able to even start.
And this is years ago before the technology even was all that good.
They could shut it down if they wanted to.
So it seems that these drones, they either don't want to or they don't have the capability of it.
You know, fighter pilots say they're watching the way these things fly, and it's not like a conventional drone.
I mean, they're pulling, you know, different kind of maneuvers that, you know, wouldn't seem almost, you know, physically possible with the existing stuff that we've seen out there.
So it seems like there's a lot more to it.
And you're right, the pass the buck situation, it's the same thing, you know.
Let's escalate in Ukraine, and then we'll make it Trump's war.
You see what they're doing.
You see that setup.
And I definitely see something here, because this isn't like one or two one-offs.
They're flying a drone over Bedminster, and it's some clickbait rag trying to get a shot of my father's house.
I mean, these are sophisticated drones, much larger, probably clearly have some technology.
They're not showing up in the usual...
You know, ways, you know, talking about guys, you know, hey, they don't show up on thermal.
It's like, well, how's that possible?
I mean, they're generating heat.
There's a contrast that should show up on thermal.
You know, the stories you hear, it's not like it's a one-off random dude.
You're hearing hundreds of these things from different people, you know, that are all so far, all the things are such anomalies to what we know about existing technology that it definitely leads me to believe there's a lot more here.
Let's break that down.
I think that's a really good point for your audience because a lot of people don't realize when you hear the word drone, you think of Super Bowl and maybe some drones flying to cover a play or something.
In reality, there's two types of drones.
There's commercial and privately available drones that are available to the public for business purposes or pleasure.
And then you've got military and government that are purpose-built and specific.
Let's take this pen, for example, and let's pretend this is a drone.
There's two types of ways you can really power a drone.
There is liquid, basically like liquid fuel, right?
So think of JP8 or gasoline or kerosene, something that's combustible, but it weighs a lot.
And so typically you're talking about seven and a half pounds per gallon of fuel.
you're talking fixed wing aircraft.
You're not talking about rotary wing, something that can hover.
You're talking about something that can fly for 10 hours at a time and loiter and fly a long distance.
When you're talking a quadcopter, you're talking an actual drone drone that's got the propellers and whatnot, And they're battery powered for a very specific reason because of weight limitations.
The liquid is just frankly too heavy.
And the batteries only last anywhere between 15 and 20 minutes, as you probably already know when you're fishing.
They don't last a whole long time.
And then you have to have a place to send them out and a place to recover them and then to maintain them.
And last but not least, you have something called a signal issue here.
If I'm a drone flying and I want to send a signal to it in order for it to fly in its telemetry and whatnot, it's usually what they call not beyond line of sight, meaning because of the curvature of the Earth, the radio frequency won't go over the horizon.
And what we are seeing are drones that are definitely coming in over the horizon.
So this is beyond line of sight.
Now to do that...
If you were to really want to develop a bunch of drones to do that, you'd need an aerial platform, either an aircraft or a satellite, to serve as a repeater to bounce the signal over the horizon to your vehicle.
That takes a tremendous amount of infrastructure, coordination, personnel, and funding, and you've got to have a base to operate out of.
So we're not seeing any of those.
We're not seeing any, as some people said, a large ship off the coast that's maybe launching these things.
And they're being seen all over the continental United States.
And frankly, now they're being seen all over the world to include Latin America, Australia, the UK.
Even NATO now is getting involved.
And Germany is now starting to get some of these air incursions.
So there's a problem here.
And this administration is not, for whatever reason, willing to be transparent with the American people.
And I do believe that the members of Congress are probably satisfied with whatever answer they were given yesterday during their private hearing.
If you trust the briefing that you're getting from, you know, the agencies or whatever it is, I mean, I've watched some of these lawmakers with such naivete believe that they're being told everything.
You know, no, they're being told exactly what they need to get the answer that the agencies want.
And, you know, The rest is a lie by omission.
I heard one lawmaker say they're Iranian.
Then a report came out that they're Chinese.
No one actually believes any of it.
What exact type of drones are these?
What may they be doing?
I've heard the best case scenario.
Hey, it's just...
It just happens to be, you know, millions of civilian drones.
And then I've heard the other scenarios, hey, you know, they're out there.
They're out there looking for something that was maybe radioactive.
Apparently some, you know, again, I don't know if there's any truth to it whatsoever, but, you know, some, you know, spent, you know, uranium went missing and we can't find it and or the former warheads that were stored in Ukraine.
The nuclear-capable warheads, some of those went missing because that was a disaster at the fall of the Soviet Union.
Where do you think we lie somewhere between these best and worst-case scenarios?
At this point, you know, I sort of default to the worst case scenario because experience has led me to believe that that's where these things usually go.
But, you know, again, like I don't think any of these things, especially given what we've seen, you know, are conspiratorial.
They're all valid questions that we deserve answers to.
Right.
Look, you got drones literally hovering over former governor's houses.
Right.
That's not normal.
Don't tell the American people that's normal when it's not.
There are restrictions and no fly zones put in place for very good reasons.
And when they are breached, that's not lawful.
I don't care what anybody in the administration, I don't care if you're a two star general, entering into restricted airspace that is restricted at the time you are entering it is illegal.
And that's a problem.
Look, furthermore, some of these seem to even have displaced some sort of countermeasure capability.
There's been a couple incidents where somebody has tried with a private drone, a privately owned drone.
To approach one of these things.
And you get the reports that their drone was disabled and fell out of the sky.
There's also some very interesting videos showing what appears to be a drone, if you will, prosecuting or coming in to look at one of these other bigger drones.
And it's just falling right out of the sky.
So if that's true, you're talking about a very, very sophisticated operation.
And of course, you know, then there's a topic that maybe this isn't necessarily all drone related.
There could be another...
Part of the narrative here that may be a little bit more uncomfortable to talk about, but it could explain some of the confusion in the public.
I don't have enough data just for the record to say definitively what something is or is not.
These are all hypotheses that have been postulated by people inside the government.
So what are some of those?
Because I think that's relevant.
I mean, if you say, hey, can't we just go up and film these things?
And hey, they've tried and it's not working.
I mean, you would think the FAA would be in total panic mode about this.
When I'm watching literally time-lapse videos of hundreds of drones flying right over the runways at Newark Airport, I'm like...
I don't know.
I'm a pilot.
That's restricted airspace.
You can't fly a drone over those places.
And if you were to, it would just shut them off.
And if there's hundreds going over it and no one's saying anything, that's a problem.
So I don't want to create panic, but I do want to put these theories out there from someone like yourself who gets it, who knows.
What could it be if only to force the conversation and maybe we get some actual answers?
Yeah, great.
So let me, I'll preface by saying, at this point, because we are, it's a data-starved environment.
So it's open to a lot of speculation.
Anytime you have a lack of information, people will automatically fill it in with what they think or what they think they know.
So it's a data-starved environment.
But let's go through some of the options.
Could it be foreign adversarial, foreign-sponsored?
It could be.
Doubt it at this point.
I think it's probably not because I said before, the infrastructure would be, and it would be so provocative that some could even say it was an act of war.
But let's talk about the problem of that.
If somebody were to have a foreign capability, and let's say they put a bunch of sprayers on it and wanted to spray chemical agents or biological agents, That'd be a great way to do it, right?
We can see how drones have been weaponized over in Russia right now and in the Ukraine in that battle.
They're being used and they're being weaponized very, very effectively.
So that concerns me.
So for somebody to say, well, nothing to worry about here, I disagree with that.
I think there is something to worry about it if you don't have full control and understanding of what's in your skies, which clearly this administration does not.
Secondly, it could be our technology.
Like you said, there could be a broken arrow situation, perhaps a weapons of mass destruction through sensitive intelligence reporting indicates that there is a potential weapons of mass destruction somewhere by a U.S. equity, critical U.S. equity, somewhere in the world and that it's kind of but it was put in there as kind of a just in case in case the u.s decides to go uh you know hand-to-hand with somebody else uh that's another scenario
another scenario is that what people are seeing is actually two different things um in the old days if there was a uap incident or in the vernacular for your audience's sake a ufo incident um and despite what people think we actually spent a lot of government money and taxpayer money investigating ufos so let me just put that out there that's a reality that's a In fact, we did do that.
We're still still doing it.
In the old days, you'd set up a helicopter.
You'd have to wake up a crew, or maybe they were already on the ready, and it'd take a little while, spin up the helo, and go out and see what was coming over the wire.
Now we have drones.
We have technology where you can have something geofence, and if there's something that enters your airspace, it can automatically trigger a drone response, and five or six drones will go out and investigate the situation.
So you have some people reporting very large vehicles where the navigation lights are not blinking in any known navigational colors.
It's not, i.e.
red and green.
It's not anti-collision or avoidance lights.
They're not bright white.
In some cases, they're yellows, they're blues, they're purples.
Or they disappear entirely.
Right.
Or they just go totally dark, again, in violation of what would be typical FAA rules.
I know as a pilot, if your strobe's not on, you can't go up in the air.
Right.
Absolutely.
Right.
Exactly.
These strobes, in some cases, are not the same frequency.
They're not the same colors.
They may not even be navigation lights.
Some have been reported being huge and silent.
Some have been reported coming out of the water, and some have been reported moving away at very, very fast speed.
So from a UAP perspective, and I want to caveat here, I'm not saying necessarily these are UAP, but here's part of the A-theory.
A-theory.
Some of these UAP, these drones initially are UAP, and they are being reported by the local civilian and law enforcement population.
And then what you have is a military response of drones that are going out trying to find these things.
And then other people, civilians in a wider area are reporting all the drones that are coming out, five, six drones at a time, seem to be doing this racetrack or this scanning, if you will, low-level scanning of the area.
It's possible that they're looking for whatever maybe they saw, maybe it was UAP related.
And now they're hoping maybe there was some sort of landing or a crash or something like that.
They're looking for it.
Potentially.
And I only say that because, and the evidence there is still, there's more data needs to be obtained.
But it would make sense that you have some people reporting something completely opposite Some people say, this is totally silent, it's huge.
Other people say, no, it's small, it's a quadcopter, and I can hear the whirring of the engine.
Both might be true, actually.
We don't know, and there's a lot of people right now, even within my circles, that dismiss that theory.
So we have to be very careful.
I don't want to put it out there as fact, because it is certainly not fact.
It's just one of the many, many options of what this could be.
It could also be a contractor, a U.S. government contractor.
And under certain circumstances, the U.S. Department of Defense does not have to admit it's their equity.
There are certain critical technologies on a critical technology list that if we develop a certain capability, we don't necessarily have to admit that.
So is it possible that this is a huge exercise because of your dad now coming into office again and administration leaving?
Could this be what they call an NSC, a national security event?
Yeah, because you don't want to give our enemy operational awareness of what our capabilities are.
And that to me is, you know, frankly, very plausible.
I don't know why you need to do it over New Jersey, but maybe you do have to map cities or whatever it may be a little bit more than the countryside, because there's a lot more that they'd have to be working with.
And, you know, frankly, for me, you know, I'm a believer in drone technology.
I would much rather if we're going to be in conflict around the world, I would much rather it get done with drones, you know, than putting our boys, you know, and maybe some girls, you know, in foreign combat zones.
If we can do it with a machine from the safety far away, like, that to me is a no-brainer.
Like, you know, I'm all for that.
But, you know, but again, it does seem odd to me, you know, when you hear about the ones, hey, this thing was a seven-foot wingspan, it was hovering 30 feet over my head, and I couldn't even hear it.
Like, That seems to be defying the basic laws of physics.
I guess the next question is, why can't we seemingly follow these drones to their origin point?
It seems like no one knows where they're coming from and no one knows where they're going back to.
And that in and of itself is fairly disconcerting that we don't have the capabilities.
There are systems, some of these echolocation systems, they can find where a bullet You know, from a gangbanger in Chicago, you know, and geolocate, you know, where the shot happened just based on sound.
If we can't follow, you know, a seven-foot object flying in the sky, but we can't find a bullet traveling over the speed of sound, that seems kind of disconcerting to me.
And let's look at this, you know, also from another perspective, you bring up a great point, you know, why aren't we taking action?
They're saying, well, you know, we have the capability to shoot it down, we just won't or we can't, right?
And then somebody brought up a really good point.
Well, so the White House position was, well, we don't want to endanger the public, right?
If we shoot one of these down, it comes down, it could hit somebody's house.
And yet there's these incidents with the U.S. Coast Guard where you have up to 10 of these Things literally stalking a U.S. Coast Guard cutter, and you're out in the middle of the ocean.
Why can't you bring it down there, right?
It doesn't make sense.
It's the explanation of, oh, by the way, these are all lawful, so don't shoot them down, but we don't know where they're coming from.
We don't know who owns them.
We don't know where they're going.
We don't know what they can do.
And they are over-sensitive military installations, I think is not only utter nonsense, I think it's a disservice to the American people because the American people deserve more.
And look, at the end of the day, if you don't know what they are, just say you don't know what they are.
Or if you do know what they are and you don't want to say what they are because there's a significant national security issue, then just say that.
Say, look, we'll tell you at a later time.
Right now we're doing something very sensitive on behalf of the American people to protect them, to serve them.
You know, give us a month or two here and we'll tell you what's going on.
Trust me, you'll understand why and you'll agree why we did it.
That's all they have to say.
But they don't.
And in fact, it's just meandering back and forth between, well, they're not foreign adversarial.
Well, they're not ours.
Well, they're all private and properly licensed aircraft.
You know, come on.
People are smart.
I've got videos on my phone.
I've been sent from senior military officials over Andrews Air Force Base, where your dad's plane is going to be stored in the next month, right?
How is that not an issue?
How is that not a problem?
I don't understand that mentality.
It's one thing saying Newark Airport.
It's another saying an active Air Force base where the leader of the free world, the commander-in-chief, flies Air Force One.
If they're allowing that to happen, they either know exactly what it is or they're incapable of doing anything about it.
Either answer is scary because if they know what it is and they're not saying something, it creates a suspicion.
If they're incapable of doing anything about it, then...
I think we've seen they're not all that capable of protecting a president in the last couple of months, unfortunately.
That's really scary.
I guess another layer to all of this is the lack of answers generally.
Does this create a vacuum that can be just filled with lots of noise and theories?
Is that designed to be a distraction from something else?
You know, that's going on.
I mean, listen, the American public has naturally become really cynical with cause.
You know, all the conspiracy theories have turned out to be right.
I mean, is it designed to cause some sort of hysteria?
So, you know, what role do you think our government has to be transparent with this?
Or is it intentional?
They're designed to take your eyes off the prize.
You know, they're selling off the border wall.
We're escalating.
You know, a potential nuclear conflict in the Ukraine.
You have all the stuff going on in the Middle East.
You know, Syria just collapsed.
You know, do they have to be transparent here or are they trying not to be?
What are the parameters for all of that?
There certainly could certainly be a diversion.
Absolutely.
Look, you know, governments have been known to do that in the past, including ours, that if there's a very difficult situation we're facing politically or some other way, they will come up with a diversion, a distraction.
And it's unfortunately not uncommon.
I will tell you, I'm extremely motivated and it's just absolutely endearing to my heart.
Some of the individuals that your father has put on his team are very transparent and want, you know, I don't need to tell you, I think you already know, believe in truth and transparency with the American people.
Whatever that truth may be, let the American people know what it is.
Your father's committed several times, one, to the release of the JFK files.
I stand up on my chair and applaud him for that.
Same thing with UAP transparency or drone transparency or anything else, right?
Anything else that involves the public.
Your father's made it very, very clear whether, you know, it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you're on.
You got to admit, You can't argue with that.
That's exactly what this country deserves.
And I think that's why he's seeing the popularity he's seeing, because he has actually stood up to the system, stood up to the machine and said, no, that's not right.
We're going to try to do it the right way.
We're going to get the right people in office.
And I think we're going to see a huge, huge difference in government transparency here, probably starting in the next month.
Yeah, and I think, by the way, with that transparency, you actually get real change.
I think the intentional lack of transparency over the last few decades has led the American public to get into never-ending wars based on bad information.
So I think transparency, whether it be about details of geopolitics or transparency about the way your taxpayer dollars are being spent, I think it'll actually force real change.
Because once people see how the sausage is made, I think it changes things drastically.
It does.
It does.
And if you've got some really competent people, I got to tell you, some people that I personally knew from before.
And, you know, if I had to make, if I was in a position of authority, I'd have them on my team too.
So, you know, I think we're on the precipice of hopefully some greater transparency with the American people.
The American people deserve it.
They can handle the truth.
I believe it.
I believe they deserve the truth.
And I'm sure you feel the same way.
Yeah.
And I think this, what we're seeing right now, is a last-ditch, desperate effort by the administration to say, look, we've got enough fires on our hands.
We don't want to deal with drones right now.
We can't deal with drones.
We don't know what they are.
We don't know where they're from.
Please don't shoot one down because we don't know what's going to happen.
And let the next administration try to figure this out.
That could be going on as well.
By the way, I'm all for shooting them down.
Have you...
If you have a good shot and you can do it legally, let's get as much information out there as possible.
I've got my 12-gauge standing by just in case.
Well, I live in the middle of Wyoming for a reason.
Out here, if you see a drone, chances are it's not your neighbor because you don't have very many neighbors out here.
So it's a little bit different scenario out here.
But I concur, I think.
I think we need to figure out exactly what's going on.
And whatever Congress was provided as a reason, I think that should be shared with the American people.
Because if there are certain people now in Congress who are satisfied with what they were briefed, then why hide it?
Let the rest of America know.
I think it doesn't do us any favors, especially at an all-time low when the faith and confidence in the American government is at a pitiful low.
We need something to help Instill faith and confidence once again in our institutions.
Yeah, and listen, again, I want America to be doing more with drones.
I think just like our antibiotics and half of our medicine, 90% of our medicine, we get it from China.
That's going to be our biggest geopolitical threat without question.
All the drones are manufactured there.
All these civilian drones are manufactured there.
Half the military stuff is going there.
The chips probably come from Taiwan.
That's right.
All our computers come from there.
I want that to be American technology.
I don't want to be dependent on our enemies.
I see this as someone who knows very little about warfare, but has a brain and some common sense.
This is definitely the future, certainly, of regional conflict warfare.
Instead of sending troops, you're going to do this.
You don't have to look any further than watching some little $300 Amazon DGI drone with a little servo clip tied to the bottom of it.
They're dropping grenades, killing 12 people over in Ukraine, rather than sending our guys to do these things.
I mean, it's sort of a no-brainer, and I definitely want that technology to be American, where they can't just shut it off the second a conflict breaks out.
But yeah, we just got to know.
Yeah, you're right.
And you know, there's something called C3I, Command Control Communications and Information, which is critical anytime you want to have, if you get into a conflict, you have to be able to control your troops and be able to have the integrity of the information flowing back and forth.
And you make a really good point because even our computers and our cell phones are all made in China.
And that is a supply chain risk management issue.
If a country has a unilateral, hypothetically, unilateral ability, again, let me emphasize hypothetically here, I don't want to get in trouble, but to unilaterally disable all electronic devices in this country, can you imagine the havoc it would play not just on the banking industries, but on the healthcare services, on anything, law enforcement and anything?
If you have the ability to shut down power grids and communications and transportation, in essence, you can win an entire war without ever firing a shot.
And, uh, you know, we, we need to pay attention to that.
Um, and that's a concern of these drones.
You're right.
Some of these drones that are a lot of them are made in China.
Uh, you know, is there an ability there to, you know, have a proverbial kill switch or maybe perhaps, uh, override, uh, the C3I piece, you know, the command control and communications of a, of a drone, uh, Or just with AI capabilities, taking every civilian drone and linking the information that's going back there, you know, they can geolocate, they can geofence it.
I mean, they could be getting a lot of details about a lot of people without our actual knowledge.
And when you think about, you know, man, I can't think of too many teenagers I know that don't have some sort of drone right now.
It's all probably made there.
And if it's all linking back and they're just collecting all this information, I have a feeling they'd never let us do that over China or in China.
Let me ask you a question.
You're right.
You're 100% right.
Let me ask you just a real question that you can look at real examples.
If a Russian bear reconnaissance aircraft comes anywhere near territorial U.S. airspace, what happens?
Well, we scramble a bunch of F-15s.
It's a front page of all the media outlets for a day.
And we have beautiful pictures where we basically kind of usher the Russian surveillance aircraft out of our territorial waters.
So if the U.S. government has that right to do that and enforces that, apparently, strictly, why can't civilians over their own property be able to defend their own airspace?
Now, I'm not talking commercial aircraft, but if you have a drone 200 feet above your private house that you're paying taxes on and you own that property...
Why should it be okay for anybody just to go ahead and fly it over your house and take pictures and invade your privacy and whatnot?
I think that's a problem.
And I think there's almost a schizophrenic approach to this where the federal government says, well, we have the authority to do this, but you as a private citizen, no, you can't do that.
You're not allowed to do that.
And I think there's a policy issue there.
I do believe that.
Now, law enforcement may be a different story.
There's an ongoing investigation, but Private citizens, just to be able to fly it over someone's house willy-nilly, you know, I wouldn't want someone flying a drone over my house at all.
But just so we're clear, like, you know, being someone in the public eye, it happens to me all the time.
And I'm like, you know, I want to lie out by the pool with my kids and I'm seeing a drone fly over my house.
And maybe it's just some guy, you know, looking at real estate, but like...
You know, it could not be.
I mean, you know, I get that.
I mean, I guess the question is, do we need tighter restrictions on drones, perhaps, you know, especially drones from China, whether it be recreationally or otherwise, because of that possible sort of information collecting capabilities, right?
We freaked out about a...
You know, a balloon, you know, that flew over our airspace that had some collect, and rightfully so.
If they have that same network capability, where they're getting all of this information for probably, you know, hundreds of thousands of drones that every kid flying all over the United States, and they're gathering all that information that, you know, is much tighter than what they'd probably be able to get from satellite technology, etc.
Does that create some sort of additional problem where, you know, they just have much more information on us than we do on them?
It does.
And look, I'm going to say something that may be considered a little unpopular here, but let me just say caveat by saying I'm not picking on China.
I'm saying any country that has the ability to create communication devices that are so prolific that every American household has one.
And you don't have exact control of what type of software is going in there and hardware.
I think that is a significant problem.
We have something called ITAR, International Trafficking and Arms Regulations, that restricts certain critical technologies from being exported.
I can't bring my thermal optics to Europe.
And these are recreational.
I don't have military-grade stuff.
It's the highest end of the civilian stuff.
But for my hunting stuff or whatever it is, or just the fun stuff I do, I literally can't fly with it out of the country.
Well, we should have the reverse also where we have a restriction on technologies coming into this country where our government, for example, maybe the NSA, hasn't been able to look at the software and say, okay, this device does not have some sort of secret kill switch from country X, right?
Again, China right now because they're manufacturing everything that we use.
But any country, it doesn't have to be a country.
I'm not comfortable giving any country that unilateral control of our devices, whether it's flying in the sky or it's driving on our streets or it's being used in our homes.
I think we need to get a better handle on that.
And again, I'm not trying to pick on China here, but look, China is- Well, I think they're just, listen, I think they've demonstrated to be the worst and most capable actor, right?
Absolutely.
I mean, they are an adversary for a reason.
I'm, you know, I don't think they have the capabilities of doing that.
I don't think they have the ability to do as much with it.
And honestly, the same with Russia.
I know, you know, it's the big boogeyman because, you know, big wars is making a killing over there.
But like, you know, I don't think any serious person looks at Russia as big a threat to the United States, you know, economically or otherwise, as you would China.
Well, and China looks at things from a 50-year optic.
Keep in mind, we don't.
You know, we look at...
Two years ago, what do we do?
How do we kick the can down the road for two years so that we can get re-elected in Congress and then we repeat the process?
I mean, they know where they want to be in 50, maybe even 100 years.
That's right.
They know exactly how they want to get there.
And they'll burn every bridge along the way to get there.
And it's, you know, it's scary because it's a lot better than our system from a certain perspective.
I'm not condoning a dictatorial regime in any way, shape, or form.
But, you know, for results, how many, you see it going on right now with the CRs.
You know, Democrats, they're jamming billions of dollars of crap to pay off their friends, and then they'll say, well, in a couple of years, maybe we'll be back in power and we'll do that.
But in the meantime, we're going to stick this onto the tab of the American people.
1,500 pages released, you know, two days ago.
You got one day to read 1,500 pages of obscure spending, and then we vote on it.
And if you don't vote on it, you're not American.
It's like, these people are insane.
Yeah.
And it's kind of funny because I don't say funny.
It's not funny in a funny sense.
It's more ironic.
But, you know, if you're short a billion dollars, you have to write a law for 10 billion because you've got to pay off a bunch of people to accept it.
Right.
So it actually costs you 10 billion to raise the 1 billion.
And that all goes to, you know, to the taxpayers.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's extortion is what it is.
It's extortion happening on a mass scale at a government level, and that's why we have $35 trillion in debt, and it happens every time, and you can't have a bill for anything.
The bill is named to do the opposite of what it's actually doing, and it's truly sick.
I think the American people are awake to it, but it's not going to stop because permanent Washington is still very entrenched.
We've got to try to break that down as much as you can, and that's where we go back to transparency.
Hopefully, you know, if Doge does one thing, it just shows the American people like, hey, you probably shouldn't be paying an 8,000% markup for the soaps dispenser on a Boeing airplane owned by the military government simply because that general wants a board seat at Boeing, you know, who's signing off in the, you know, negotiations on price, or let's call it the lack of negotiations on price so as to get that board seat.
You know, you brought something up that reminded me.
You asked me, what could we do?
And, you know, I'm very hesitant to ever offer my opinion because I never ever want to overstep my bounds.
But as we're beginning to see the proliferation of these drones and how technology is outpacing policy, I'm wondering, what are your thoughts if the U.S. government were to put in every major organization, defense and intelligence, like Department of Energy, right, where they have facilities they've got to protect, and maybe the Navy, who's got bases in the Air Force, and And, you know, the major combatant commands.
What if UH had a drone representative there that was responsible for looking at drone activity, both defensively and offensively for those commands, and not only advising those organizations and services, but then reporting to a drone czar?
And now I say this because...
Well, if you go back in the clock 60, 70 years ago before we ever made it to space, we only had an Air Force and an Army and a Navy, right?
We weren't fighting in space.
We weren't in space.
And now we have a Space Force and a Space Command because we've got a lot of equities in space.
This is one of those rare occasions where you have this gray area between a technology that Could be used for military purposes, is being used for intelligence, could be used as a weapon, and could be used for civilian and other uses.
And that guy or gal reports directly to your folks and says, look, here's the emerging technologies, here's the threats, here's what we're seeing overseas, here's what we're doing here, here's our counter-drone capabilities, here's our offensive drone capabilities, and here's what we can do and what we can't do.
I'm wondering if something like that would be helpful.
Three weeks ago, I would have said, that's a huge waste of time and money.
It's not that big a deal yet.
But it turns out, you know, it's interesting.
I mean, you know, especially when people think of, you know, the Department of Energy is actually having to do with energy.
Their biggest thing is actually guarding the nuclear arsenal.
And so if there's drones flying over that stuff and they're mapping all that out, I mean...
You know, it doesn't take much to envision a potential disaster.
So, you know, it's certainly something interesting.
I think we're trying to cut government, but I think there are things that we obviously need to do to protect ourselves.
Maybe, Lou, what I'd ask is, like, you know, how does all of this stuff, you know, fit into the broader mosaic of the work you've been doing?
You have your new book, Imminent, which is a look inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs, but...
You know, what I learned last time in talking about this, the UAP doesn't necessarily mean it's an alien, right?
It's different.
It's absolutely related.
What's the next chapter in the story?
Does all of this sort of intertwine in that?
Yeah, it does.
Absolutely.
It's all related.
Look, everything is a UAP or UFO until it's identified, right?
Everything is unidentified.
Until it becomes identified, then you have this other subcategory called TNO, Temporary Non-Attributable Objects.
So objects that we detect at first, but we have no idea what it is until it's resolved, right?
And to some degree, there have been some organizations in the U.S. government that's done a pretty decent, I don't want to say great, but decent job at being able to segregate true anomalous capabilities, right?
The five observables.
And something that may be some sort of new emerging technology or breakaway technology, disruptive technology that some adversary or near-peer country has developed.
They are related because at first everything is a UAP until it's not.
So think of a big umbrella as being the UAP and then the smaller umbrella underneath that umbrella being drones and temporary non-attributable objects.
And then once those are resolved, what you have left over could potentially be truly anomalous, right?
Because they're not falling within those profiles, performance profiles and performance characteristics that we know existing technology can exhibit.
And that's really how you do it.
Unfortunately, we're not there yet in our government.
Fighting bureaucratically on what to do and what to say.
But that's really how you do it.
And you have to have the intelligence community.
You have to have the defense community.
You have to have DHS and FAA all on board.
You have to.
You cannot have the conversation in a silo.
Well, so I know I asked you last time, but we sort of just scratched the surface of it.
How did you get involved in tracking down UAPs?
Did you always just want to do that, or did you just stumble into it?
It seems like so many technologies, you actually got in ahead of the curve because it's becoming a much more real thing now than before, and perhaps that's because of some of the stuff that you were able to find and expose.
Yeah, well, I certainly wouldn't consider myself, you know, worthy of playing the stock market.
I don't know if it was luck or bad luck.
No, I'm not.
I've never been a science fiction fan, actually.
Even as a kid, I'd consider myself more as a G.I. Joe kind of kid instead of a Star Wars kid.
I went to school at University of Miami.
My father was in the Bay of Pigs.
He was a revolutionary and a prisoner of the Bay of Pigs.
And then was later released as a result of his involvement with the CIA to try to overthrow Cuba.
So I was raised with a very strong sense of patriotism.
Always have.
I went to school actually with Marco Rubio when he was in law school.
I was in the medical program at the time there at University of Miami.
I joined the Army after college.
I spent a short time in the Army before I was recruited into some special activities.
I became a special agent and a special agent in charge for U.S. counterintelligence, so focusing on terrorism, espionage, counterinsurgencies, and counter-narcotics.
I spent most of my life in one vacation spot or another, the Middle East or the jungles of South America.
So I've always been just a fax man kind of guy.
I'm not prone to flights of fancy.
I consider myself a disciple of the scientific methods and principles.
That's what I went to school for.
And I did a lot of work early on in my career in advanced technology protection.
So hypersonics, high-energy lasers, UAVs, and UAS, unmanned aerial systems.
And then...
In 2008, 2009, correct, early 2009, I was brought into a program when I left the DNI. I was working for the DNI for a while, and then the Department of Defense asked me to come back on a JDA, a one-year rotation.
Frankly, for quality of life purposes, it made my life a lot easier.
I lived on Kent Island, so across the Chesapeake Bray Bridge, across Annapolis.
And so I was making this three-hour, one-way commute every day.
It was murder.
And so, long story short, I accepted the position for a one-year rotation back to the Pentagon.
And it was there that I was brought into the program at the time called AATIP slash OSAP. AATIP stands for Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
And I didn't find out till later when I was actually brought into the program that the program was solely focused on investigating UFOs for the U.S. government.
And I was shocked to learn that there were other previous programs that The entire time.
Basically entering our controlled U.S. airspace unchallenged and being able to perform in ways that outperformed anything we had in our inventory at the time, and frankly, even having our inventory today.
So that's when I learned the reality that UAP and the investigation of UAP by the U.S. government and other governments is absolutely real.
Now, whether people believe in UFOs or not is irrelevant, because at the end of the day, your government was spending money investigating them, and what the result was was very, very compelling.
Mm-hmm.
So, you know, what can we do just as far as education, right?
There's all these acronyms, there's all the this, as people are starting to, you know, wake up to this.
I mean, you know, six months ago, it was like, yeah, we want to hear about UFOs.
It's like, we started seeing evidence of it all over the place.
The Air Force is releasing all these things, and it's like, there was so much other crap going on in the world between wars and the economy and people just struggling to get by that was like, eh!
You know, one of the biggest questions probably that we've been asking ourselves for the last 40 years, at least my whole life was like, hey, is it there?
It seems like there's proof and it's almost like, eh, there was enough going on that it was a distraction.
But, you know, how do we educate ourselves and, you know, and the public about talking about these issues in a more sophisticated way?
Again, as a way to force, you know, answers, right?
People, you know, I saw it a lot in, you know, in banking when I came out, you know, investment bankers, they talked with all these acronyms and they're If you just said the words, everyone knows what you're talking about, but it sounds so sophisticated when they use the acronyms or whatever that people get intimidated to ask questions because they don't want to be sort of put in that box of, you don't know what you're talking about because you don't know the acronym.
You're doing it.
You and your audience are doing it right now.
You're doing exactly what needs to happen.
You're having the conversation in public.
You're having a conversation around the water coolers, around the dinner table, you know, without necessarily preconceived narrative.
I've told people many times that this is a conversation that, yes, involves national security.
And in that case, yeah, maybe I do want a two or three or four-star general telling me their perspectives.
But there's a whole lot to this that's beyond that.
There's a part of this topic that affects all of us equally and yet differently, depending on how you were raised and your religious convictions.
And so this is a topic that affects us all from a philosophical perspective, a theological perspective, a psychological perspective, even a sociological perspective.
And in that case, I think we need the general public's involvement.
We need academia involved.
We have right now Harvard and Stanford involved in the conversation.
We've got some really renowned academic institutions actually now having the conversation, willing to do academic studies on it.
That's never happened before.
You now have scientific communities willing to do new advanced research in areas of physics they thought were dead, that didn't exist, that were not possible.
Let's not forget that impossible is just something we haven't seen yet.
There's a lot of things in history that we thought were impossible until we did them.
And I think science is beginning to realize that.
There's a whole—look, from the 10 years, from the 1960s, when Kennedy got up there and said, we're going to go to the moon, and not because it's easy, because it's hard.
In 10 years alone, 6,200 industries— Industries, not products, resulted from that 10-year competition with Soviet Union to get to the moon first.
We have things like the LED light bulb.
We have the CAT scans, things that have long outlived their initial design purpose and have transformed mankind forever.
And I think if we look at this topic the same way, there's a tremendous amount of investment that could be placed into this with tremendous results.
Things that could truly revolutionize our species and change the existing paradigm that we live in.
So what would be the major goals for you or your top priorities that you'd want to see progress on starting on January 20th?
Oh my goodness.
Boy, you ambushed me with that one.
You know what?
Let me say this.
We need to have open dialogue.
Your dad needs to surround himself with the best and the brightest.
And they don't necessarily have to.
They come from all different walks of life, socioeconomically and politically and everything else.
But there are a core group of individuals that absolutely have the keys to the kingdom.
They've actually worked on programs in the past, legacy programs.
So there are some scientists out there that have some really cutting edge understanding of physics.
I would create a think of a much cheaper and for peaceful purposes, a Manhattan project of think tanks that are working together.
People that there are some really good people in NASA, Mike Gold, for example, one of the Artemis mission managers, super guy, former attorney.
He actually testified with me in front of Congress about a month and a half ago.
There's a lot of smart people, people like Admiral Gallaudet.
You have whistleblowers like Dave Grush and other folks that I'm sure would look any one of us.
If your dad were to call up to back their boots back on and serve, we do it in a heartbeat.
There's a lot of guys out there and gals that know where the proverbial quote-unquote bodies are buried.
And it's not that hard.
And we know a few people.
Again, Dave Grush was raked through the coals, but that's a guy most people don't know.
He knows a lot of information because I worked with him at U.S. Space Force in the SCIF on the UAP topic.
If he was allowed to say what he really knew, I think people would be very surprised.
Interesting.
Well, Lou, tell us where people can find your book, Imminent.
I think it's critical.
I look forward to the next book because it seems like each and every day they're writing a new chapter for you for volume two.
Well, I appreciate it.
I hate to plug myself.
You'll probably realize I never do that, but thank you very much.
You got to plug yourself, buddy.
The people who don't do it are the ones that get left behind, and it's usually the people plugging themselves that are full of crap.
It's that guilt.
I get it.
You can find it anywhere books are sold.
You can do...
There's audio versions.
There's e-versions.
Again, anywhere where books are sold, you can do it online.
You can do it at a mom and pop shop, whatever your fancy is.
You can also go to my website, luiselizondo-official.com.
And I think there might be some links there.
Again, forgive me.
I don't like to play myself.
So...
Forgive me for being a little bashful.
Not at all, man.
I really appreciate it.
Lou, thank you so much for being with us.
Again, I have a feeling we'll have you back on pretty soon as more of this develops and we finally hopefully find some actual information out.
So really appreciate it, man.
Great having you back.
Anytime, sir.
And, you know, love to the family and everybody else.
Stay safe.
Thanks a lot.
You too.
Lou, thank you again.
That was great.
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