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Sept. 23, 2024 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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Inside the Pentagon’s Hunt for UFOs, Plus Why Woke is Going Broke,Interviews with Michael Seifert & Lue Elizondo | TRIGGERED Ep.176
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hey guys welcome to another huge episode of triggered Today's going to be a fun one.
It's going to be a little bit different because we're going to do a deep dive into one of the major themes of this show, the Patriot economy.
We're going to be doing that with Public Square CEO Michael Seifert.
We talk about it all the time.
You can vote with your wallet.
Michael's the guy.
Young guy that took the initiative to do that, to take on the Amazons of the world, woke corporate and actually defend patriotic small businesses across the country.
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Well, guys, joining me now, my good friend, Public Square CEO Michael Seifert.
Michael's been one of the guys taking on DEI initiatives, working on building the Patriot economy.
I mean, had an idea during the COVID lockdowns that just, I think, was incredible to fight back against some of the tyranny we saw from government, some of the stupidity we saw from the sheep and the lemmings.
in America who just followed things blindly, so it's awesome to have him back and talk about everything.
Good to see you, Michael.
Great to see you, Don.
Appreciate it.
Thanks for having me on.
All right, so first of all, how's the fight going against woke corporatism?
You know, we see so much of it, and yet the parallel economy, is it growing?
It is.
It's growing rapidly and we're winning.
And this has been evidenced multiple times over the course of the past few months.
John Deere backing down.
Tractor Supply backing down.
Bud Light dumping millions of dollars into ad campaigns that lean more toward conservative America.
Countless Fortune 500 companies dropping their DEI statements.
All together, we're winning.
We're winning.
The problem is, because these companies have lost in the court of public opinion, and their shareholders are frustrated because these companies for a long time have been prioritizing progressive politics instead of quality business, meritocracy, excellence, patriotism, etc.
They're now trying to lean on the help of regulators.
So you're seeing a lot of these companies, they've lost the PR battle, but they're hoping that their friends in DC that are on the progressive side can continue blowing wind in their sales.
You're seeing this especially in the world of banking or in payments, financial technology.
You're seeing a real operation choke point still happen on a lot of financial actors
that are trying to embrace meritocracy and excellence and get away from DEI and ESG.
The regulators are clamping down on a lot of these different industries that are trying
to embrace decentralization in the parallel economy like cryptocurrency.
So the fight is still very much on.
We are winning in the court of public opinion, but now we've got to win in Washington, D.C.
as well, because unfortunately, many of these progressive actors that had their tentacles in corporate boardrooms for a long time are still keeping on the pressure.
They're just now looking to do it less with marketing campaigns and doing it a lot more with the financial layer of these businesses, canceling people with payment processors that are against their values.
It's still a mess.
The other point I'd bring up, Don, is that while we are winning at the fight against ESG and DEI, some of these companies are backing down, like the ones I mentioned previously, but others of them are actually just renaming what these things are.
So Disney's not backing down from DEI or ESG.
They're just changing the name.
They're coming up with a different acronym.
BlackRock is not divesting completely from ESG and DEI.
Larry Fink is still saying that they need to control behaviors socially.
They're just renaming what they're calling these initiatives.
Instead, now they're talking less about DEI.
They're talking more about creating an environment that's welcoming within their staff.
But if you look at the policies that actually articulate that, it's the same thing as DEI.
So the fight is very much still on.
We've had a lot of big wins, but thankfully the parallel economy has been a solution throughout every chapter of this fight and will continue to be so into the future.
So talk about that a little bit.
You mentioned payments.
Obviously, you know, I know Public Square sort of started off as like, you know, let's call it a conservative Angie's List or even an Amazon type competitor,
but you've grown out into other verticals where you actually offer payment solutions
so that, you know, if you're a gun business, you don't just get canceled because your bank
all of a sudden decides they don't like the Second Amendment.
They're not going to acknowledge our basic fundamental rights.
They're just going to cancel you.
Talk about how, you know, public square has grown with those kinds of verticals as part
of combating that wokeness.
Again, if they're sort of they lose the PR battle, but they're still going to try to
get their stuff done in Washington, D.C., or they're going to pretend that there are
other factors that are stopping them, like their payment processor.
You know, what did public square, you know, talk about the details so people can figure
If you have small businesses, you can move your business over to public squares.
Payment processing, that way you're not at the whim or the behest of some of these bigger banks, these regulators, who will cancel you, not just because they don't like your business, but because perhaps you're not doing the renamed version of DEI, even if they're pretending DEI doesn't actually still exist.
Well, that's exactly right.
So if you look at the life cycle of cancellation, how it generally starts is that there will be a business that is operating with their God-given rights to transact freely.
They're doing business legally.
They're doing it in a safe manner.
They're doing it responsibly.
So take a gun company, for example.
Our right to bear arms is endowed by our Creator.
It is fundamental to our Constitution.
It's found right there in the Bill of Rights in the Second Amendment.
It is one of the only economic expressions that is explicitly protected by the Bill of Rights.
So a gun company will go about their business helping consumers transact with great merchants in order to exercise their Second Amendment right.
A progressive activist gets very angry at the fact that that transaction is taking place, even though it's legal.
They will then go to the financial layer underneath these gun companies, i.e.
their banks, or their payment processors, or their insurance providers, and they will pressure these financial institutions to remove their services from these gun companies.
Then, once the cancellation takes place, they shut the payments processor off in the middle of the night, the gun business is stranded, their sales plummet because of it, and they're up a creek without a paddle, even though they were doing everything exactly how they're supposed to be doing it.
So, there are many such cases of this.
You and I have both been cancelled.
You, certainly more than probably anyone in the country, have dealt with The realities of the financial institutions coming after your right to speak freely and transact freely.
There is a really strong need there in the financial layer to provide security, protection, and assurance against cancellation pressure.
So, we deal with 80,000 plus merchants that have all felt the heavy thumb of the cancellation forces over the course of the past decade especially, and we thought what better way to serve them On top of the marketplace offering, then actually by offering a payment solution so that we could protect their financial lair in a way that is high class technology, impenetrable to the forces of hackers, data security antagonists, as well as the cancellation actors.
And thankfully, it's working.
We've actually recently purchased a financial stack and we've added our own products to it in the gun space
that allows for us to handle payments processing for the gun space specifically, but not exclusively.
We can do this for multiple different industries.
And in the next year alone, we're anticipating processing billions of dollars in transactions
specifically for the gun industry, but in a myriad of different industries
that are represented on public square.
We're doing this to provide an ability for the leaders of these companies
that are living out their patriotic values to sleep easy at night.
Nobody in our country deserves to be canceled because they are following the constitution.
And yet that's what's happening, not just in the gun industry,
but even in Christian ministries.
Some of the biggest Christian ministries that we know of in our country that are doing over $250 million a year in donations, Don, have had their payments processors, like Stripe, shut them off in the middle of the night, with no warning.
No heads up, no ability to actually migrate their services to another provider.
It's unethical, it's unconstitutional, it's egregious what's taking place.
And so our goal for a small business, a medium-sized merchant, all the way up to larger enterprise corporate entities, but we really focus on those small businesses.
Is making sure that for the entire existence, they have safety and security.
They have the blessed assurance that they're not going to get turned off and that they know that public square is a partner for their customer acquisition as well as the infrastructure technology that's needed to power their business.
So how does one find that?
How does one sign up so that they can figure it out?
Because, again, I talk about it on the show all the time, right?
There's, you know, people, oh, you don't like it?
Build your own.
Well, guys like you and I actually do that, right?
We met, you know, two and a half years ago.
I love the idea.
I said, let's run with this.
And, you know, we took it public on the New York Stock Exchange.
We started purchasing these other verticals.
You know, how do people find that?
Because the biggest thing is people always like, Well, there's stuff out... What do we do?
What's the next action step?
Because, like, you know, I always say, these guys, you know, these small businesses, they got to support this kind of stuff, because if you keep feeding that beast that's eating you alive, eventually, there's a point of no return.
So, how do people find that?
How do they sign up?
How simple is it?
Because, you know, everyone always thinks of these things as all that complicated, and they're actually not.
You just actually have to take the effort, just like using, you know, Public Square versus using Amazon, or, you know, in this case, the payment stack.
It's very easy, Don.
You head to publicsquare.com slash payments.
If you head to publicsquare.com slash payments, that'll take you to our payments landing page where you can learn all about our payment stack offering.
It's encrypted.
You actually have the ability as a merchant to store your customer data fully encrypted and you actually have a tool that allows for all the compliance to be taken care of along that journey.
One of the problems with payments processors often is that they will store all the consumer data And that's a really tough challenge when you're actually looking to leave.
They basically have you by the throat as a merchant if they store all of your customer data, but oftentimes merchants will allow a processor to do that because they don't want to deal with the compliance efforts of storing the data themselves.
We have a tool that actually makes that very easy and seamless so that you can have the ability to operate as your own entity with your own consumer data without having to worry about many of the compliance Hurdles.
You can find all of that at publicsquare.com slash payments.
We've worked with gun companies, Christian ministries, coffee companies, the list goes on and on.
So no matter what services you're offering, we want you to be able to transact in peace.
It's that simple.
You mentioned Amazon.
Don, this is a great example of another corporate actor that is aggressively pursuing not just cancellation, but swaying of the American population in an election season.
It was just a few weeks ago that Amazon, through Alexa, Came out and said, and I actually wrote an op-ed about this recently in town hall, Amazon's Alexa service, when asked, give me some reasons why I should vote for President Donald Trump, wouldn't answer.
Said, I can't comment on the election.
I can't give answers about why or why not.
You should not vote for a presidential candidate.
Okay, fair enough.
You then ask Amazon Alexa, tell me why I should vote for Kamala Harris.
And Amazon's Alexa's first response is there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris, but one of the main ones is that she has a great policy agenda and she's a woman of color and all these things.
It is blatant election interference coming out of the largest companies in the world.
We have to decentralize.
We have to remove these financial actors that are acting far more like Politicians at this point and we need to actually shift the profit centers of society back toward we the people that's the goal at the end of the day.
It's why we do everything we do at public square whether it's providing a consumer experience through our marketplace at public square.com or by facilitating payments processing.
for merchants so that they can transact with their customers in peace.
It all comes down at the end of the day to bringing power back to the people.
And I'm so grateful for companies like Rumble that are seeking to do this in the entertainment space.
Great companies like Truth and X that are trying to do this in the worlds of microblogging or in free speech.
We need this parallel economy to continue its rise.
I'm grateful for companies like Red Balloon that are pursuing this in the hiring market and helping companies pursue HR strategies that aren't absolutely seeped in wokeness.
I actually have a lot of hope for the future of our country as long as economic actors like Rumble and Truth and X and Red Balloon and us and you have the ability to make sure that we're providing services to our customers.
As long as we're able to advance and grow, I think the American economy is going to go in a really incredible direction, especially as many of these large corporate entities are learning that their woke actions and their cancellation procedures are not popular with the American people.
Yeah, Red Balloon's another great one.
if you're a small business and you're looking to hire, or if you're a big business and you're looking to hire
and you wanna make sure you don't get someone that's just gonna be an activist
destroying the corporate morale in there, complaining about every time you say Merry Christmas,
you know, check them out.
I think they can save you a lot of hassles.
I mean, I think, you know, a good hire is great, but preventing a bad hire is probably one of the most
important things you can do in any level of business.
So that's a great example.
But yeah, you know, we talk about, you know, If you have an Amazon account, you hit one button, it's easy.
But they are literally, their entire AI platform, their entire Alexa platform, one of the largest corporations in the world, owned by the guy that also owns the, let's just call it, not-so-conservative Washington Post, Jeff Bezos, they're literally shilling for Kamala Harris.
If this was, if they were doing it for Trump, There would be a Federal Election Commission violation immediately in terms of an in-kind contribution to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars for doing that, but because the Democrats are doing it, and because they're perpetrating their woke machine and boosting it up, it'll be 100% fine.
Don't just take that easy way out.
I get it.
I get it.
We all have to make that effort.
If we heard them in the purse strings, if we heard them in the wallet, we vote with our wallet, we can change so much of what's going on in our country.
We just have to do it.
You know, we've gotten so easy.
Everything's gotten so easy.
We're such an instant gratification society.
We have to take those extra steps.
You have to boost the things.
You give us the chance to grow.
You know, everything else becomes easier in time, but we need your guys' support to do all of that.
I think you agree with that 100%, Michael.
You started a business around it, but what else do people have to understand about just how far it's gone?
Well, I think people need to recognize that there's not only this sort of woke versus common sense play, DEI versus meritocracy war going on.
It goes way deeper than this.
There's also a battle between globalism and economic protection on the nation state level.
If you look at over the last 20 years, Don, say two decades, you could even expand it a little farther all the way back to the 80s.
Many of these multinational corporations have gobbled up the American economy.
They have punished Main Street America.
They've made it nearly impossible to operate a small business.
They've offshored our labor.
They have destroyed the American culture.
And they've also been a major actor in importing labor so that they can pay less wages, making it almost impossible for a small business to compete.
This stuff has to end.
Yeah, all the new jobs in America right now and they're, you know, the jobs reports are a disaster and they put out what looks like relatively decent numbers and then they revise them down by a million jobs the following month because, you know, they're cheating and, you know, the labor bureaus and all that will, they'll play the game to help the Democrats.
But yeah, they're doing that.
It's a disaster and it's killing the American dream and the American workforce.
If you look at the last five years, native-born job growth done, 0%.
We haven't had any.
If you were born here in the United States, we've seen no job growth amongst that demographic over the last five years.
If you look at foreign-born job growth, it's absolutely through the roof.
All the new jobs are going to foreign-born folks that are coming in here, imported by the Democrats, taking the labor away from native-born Americans that many of whom were actually immigrants from two or three decades ago and came here for a better life.
They did it the right way.
They sought legal entrance into this country and they were a part of a wave where meritocracy was actually really important.
30 years ago, You couldn't just immigrate here with no college degree, no practical skills, no family to take care of.
We were getting the best and the brightest at a time.
But now we've so lowered the standards and we don't think that's going to affect the economy.
It's decimated customer service.
It's allowed for a language barrier amongst so many different service jobs in our country to become overwhelming and almost undoable when you're in a customer experience because you can't understand the person on the other side of the transaction.
And all of this in the name of equity, it's not...
First of all- It gets so much worse.
I mean, have you been following what was going on in Springfield, Ohio earlier this month?
I mean, Democrats are literally hell bent on destroying American towns.
I mean, they've been bringing in hundreds of thousands of Haitian immigrants.
They're like, apparently like eating ducks from the local park, local people's pets.
A young child was murdered by a Haitian immigrant.
We're not importing the finest.
We're not bringing people that add any value anymore.
It's not a meritocracy anymore.
We bring in the worst because they'll be reliable Democrat voters.
The Democrats aren't trying to bring in people who are going to build American jobs.
They're bringing in people who will reliably vote Democrat because they're going to be dependent on big government and the handouts that come with it.
You know, how does all of that relate to the parallel economy and supporting businesses in your town who actually support you?
Because, you know, again, that's the other difference, right?
These towns, the local mom and pop In Springfield, Ohio, they're getting crushed, you know, while Amazon's gonna do just fine and they got their lobbyists that are making millions of dollars a month to make sure that everyone on both sides of the aisle in Washington, D.C.
does their bidding so they can keep growing while simultaneously sticking the shaft to those great patriotic Americans who are just trying to live their American dream.
You know, what do you see there?
I mean, it's ludicrous.
I mean, they're literally eating pets.
They're eating pets.
Like, what's the thought process to bringing these people into this country?
I don't get it.
Unless you're just trying to destroy the country, which I guess they don't care about because they get to have their security details and they live behind their walls.
And, you know, other walls are racist, but not the one around their homes.
The Democrats have no moral compass and they also have no pride in our nation.
When you understand that the Democrats view our country as a bank, nothing more, nothing less, it's just a place that they can extract value from, all this starts to make a lot more sense.
They're insulated from their policies.
They're not having to actually deal with the plight of Springfield, Ohio.
They're not having to deal with any of this.
They're not dealing with Flint, Michigan.
They're not dealing with any of the cities crumbling around the country type atmosphere like you're seeing in Minneapolis.
They're not dealing with any of this.
They have their home in Cape Cod, where they disappear from the consequences of their own policy initiatives, and as long as they can keep extracting value out of this country, they're going to do so with no remorse.
They don't care about you.
They don't care about your little town.
They don't care about Main Street America.
They don't care about the family-owned and operated businesses, because you're not where they make their money.
They make their money from massive lobbyists, multinational globalist corporations that have offshored the labor decades ago, and any labor that they keep here is foreign-born anyways.
They do not care about you.
Here's a simple question to ask related to the 20,000 Haitians that came into our country under everybody's nose.
How many of them do you really think are voting for Republicans?
None.
By the way, you know what, I'll say this.
Like, the ones that are entrepreneurial, like the Uber drivers, it's always amazing to me.
Because I'll hop in one and they'll be like, Are you d- I love your- you know.
But it's such a small percentage.
The ones they're bringing in now, there's the guys like, you know, Barbecue.
The guy that, you know, the cannibal, like, drug lord, uh, in Haiti that's literally eating people over there.
I mean, you know, that's the vast majority of them.
But I'm actually sort of surprised at how many that have done it sort of the right way and been here for a while.
They're all voting for Trump, but it's not the ones that Kamala Harris and her policies, where she's out there on TV bragging, we should find that clip, you know, and put it in here, bragging about bringing in, I think it was like 100,000, like, I'm like, what could possibly go wrong, Michael?
What could go wrong?
They have a different culture than us, and at the end of the day... Yeah, and not all cultures are created equal.
Remember when my father talked about, you know, shithole countries?
And, you know, not gonna lie, there are some.
It doesn't sound nice, but guess what?
The truth isn't always nice.
Sometimes it's just the truth.
And then you had, you know, Conan O'Brien.
Haiti was always great.
And it's like now they have, you know, cannibal gangs walking around eating people in the town.
I'm like, I don't know, man.
I just, you know...
People are all equal, but not all cultures are the same.
Yeah, the cat ladies are facing quite a conundrum right now because on one hand, cat ladies are supposed to vote for Kamala because they hate J.D.
Vance and they hate President Trump and they say cat ladies for Kamala.
But on the other hand, if you vote as a cat lady for Kamala, you're putting your cat's life at risk that it's going to be eaten by Haitians.
So you're in a bit of a catch-22 here.
This is like that meme, like, which button do you push?
It's like, I don't know, I'm confused.
It's a little bit rough.
You know, but, you know, I guess part of, you know, when we talk about, you know, the left bringing things back to Washington, D.C., I gotta, you know, I'll let you cage this because I know you're the CEO of a public company, so you have to be careful about, you know, what you say and how you say it.
But, you know, I noticed You know, last week, Robbie Starbuck put up a video about Tim Sheehy.
Tim Sheehy's a former Navy SEAL, Purple Heart recipient.
He created a great business in Montana that focuses on putting out like literally wildfires, like saving homes and forestry and lives.
And there's a lot of people, all Democrat donors that are shorting his company, trying
to basically hurt him financially.
You run a conservative company on the New York Stock Exchange.
I know Chris Pavlosky of Rumble, Evan Hafer of Black Rifle Coffee.
It seems like there's a consistent trend where these Democrats, not just weaponizing things
legally, in Washington, D.C. through regulation or their fake campaigns as we dealt with Rumble
and were exposed by Elon Musk and Chris Pavlosky again, of the fake marketing campaigns going
after advertisers to prevent them on those platforms.
You know, there seems to be a lot of gamesmanship in terms of the manipulation of stock prices.
Let's call it, like, the naked shorts.
Maybe you can explain that concept to people, not even legal.
It's not just people short selling because they don't like a business, but, you know, seemingly, you know, collaborating to short a business and go against it.
You know, again, I want to be careful.
I don't want to put you in a bad spot.
Can you talk a little bit about that, what you can and can't say, you know, again, as the CEO of a public's company, or maybe talk about it generally so it's not, Not just Public Square, but it's something I see out there.
It seems so flagrant.
You know, Tim Sheehy, great guy, American hero, Navy SEAL, all-American badass, built a great company, took it public, one of the few public companies in Montana, and all of a sudden now revenues are up, but the stock price is getting crushed because a bunch of people are trying to hurt him financially through some shady games because of his politics.
You know, I don't know.
I think I've seen worse companies than ones that specialize in putting out wildfires in Montana and saving, you know, saving not just the wilderness, but people's homes and lives in the process.
Can you talk a little bit about that?
Explain what the Naked Short is and, you know, so people can understand what's going on?
Because again, if they do it right and we combat it right, I imagine there's a way we can actually make those guys pay dearly as well.
Well, that's exactly right, John.
The biggest thing here is just the knowledge is power concept.
A lot of times this stuff happens under our noses, and people don't really know what to look for, and they don't know that it's going on, and so they're not really sure how to combat the problem.
This is something that True Social's dealt with, we've dealt with, Rumble's dealt with, many other companies.
Yeah, True Social, I believe, I believe it's like the most shorted stock Uh, maybe in the world.
I, you know, I don't know exactly, but, you know, I'm on the board of that, so I'll keep very, you know, I'll keep very, you know, general, but, you know, I've heard people say that, and, yeah, I wonder why that is.
It's like, huh, I wonder why that is, you know what I mean?
Well, and most of the time, you know, you're allowed to short stocks.
You're allowed to basically bet on the company's demise.
That's what a short is.
And you do that through borrowing shares, and you then do that from selling these shares in a way as if you owned the shares, and you actually get to profit on the difference as the company declines.
And this is a legal practice.
Whether or not you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, You are allowed to short shares at the end of the day.
Naked shorting is incredibly illegal and it's very problematic because ultimately at the end of the day you're essentially short selling the shares when you don't actually have the security borrowed or even verified in its existence.
It's a very illegal practice and it's hard to also pinpoint where exactly it's happening.
And so you'll have great CEOs like Devin Nunes, for example, that actually put out a letter basically inquiring into the potential naked short activity.
But this is something that many companies have dealt with in the past from financial actors that are not willing to be transparent.
Most of the time when you're shorting a company, especially if you're a larger enterprise that's shorting, you'll actually put out your short activity.
It's pretty well known on the street who is actually doing the borrowing and who's doing the selling and who's engaging in the short activity holistically.
Naked shorting is a little different.
It's a very behind-the-scenes activity that's very hard to pinpoint and it makes fighting it as a company very, very difficult.
And so, you know, I can only speculate on what's happened in stocks like ours or Truce or Rumbles.
It's a bit of a guessing game, but I can tell you that the best way that you counteract activity from either people that are naked shorting behind the scenes that are trying to do the short selling activity without actually borrowing the shares themselves, or even people that are trying to put negative pressure on certain more conservative leaning stocks through coordinated press campaigns that are steeped in untruths.
The best way to counteract these things is to actually, A, bring knowledge to it and bring attention to the matter.
That way you can build a resistance army that fights against these sorts of activities.
And B, it's try to gain more notoriety for the good that the company is doing in the hopes that the real value they're creating would be recognized and rewarded in the stock market.
So exactly like you're describing with Tim Sheehy, who I know personally, he's a great man.
He's a fighter for our country in every sense of the word.
The ideal here is that his company, through this press event, would actually gain in traction.
People would recognize what he's doing that's good and fruitful for the country, and that he would be rewarded for it, and then you can burn the shorts.
Because these shorts, if you can get them into a position where they can't cover themselves, and the company actually does the opposite of what they were hoping to do, and it actually grows in value, then the shorts are screwed, and they are out the money.
And that's the goal.
You ultimately want to burn these people as a company founder who don't believe in your mission.
If they're going to bet on your demise, you want to prove them wrong.
That's natural of anybody who's trying to build an enterprise.
It's really unfortunate when companies like Tim's are being judged purely on their political views.
One other thing I'll mention, Don, is that Often what'll happen, if you go on X for example or Truth and you actually put in a stock ticker and see how people are talking about different stock tickers, you can find the activists really quickly.
And a lot of these activists will actually, with large followings, put out false information about the companies that they're trying to short in the hopes that they will build an army that'll want to short with them and then that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy because the stock will then fall and they'll make their money.
Well, this is a really illegal practice.
You can't just selectively comb through financial materials, put out untruths.
For example, Don, this has happened with Public Square.
We've had people, from the minute we went public, say, oh, I bet Michael and Don went and sold.
Neither you or I have sold a single share.
In fact, we're not even allowed to.
We're locked up.
Well, we voluntarily locked ourselves up just because we believe in the mission.
That's the thing.
I'm not in it for a quick buck.
You could do that very easily.
That's not my thing.
Well, and that's where if you have an influencer that's out there that's saying, oh, they've
sold everything and that's verifiably false, but those people face no punishment for lying.
That's a huge problem with our system because the SEC should be investigating anybody who's
willing to put out blatant falsehoods about a company in order to try to push the stock
price in a certain direction, whether that's up or down.
And we as a company are held to very strict regulations about what we can say, what we can't say.
We never have the ability to try to put out information, especially not deceptive information, in order to try to influence the price of our security.
Why should our enemies be able to do that same thing with no repercussions?
It doesn't make any sense.
My hope is that as people are learning about the egregious actions that are being taken in terms of either, you know, open short positions that are heavily advertised but based on deceptive falsehoods, or naked short activity that's more behind the scenes and is conducted illegally, or pure pressure campaigns to try to influence the price of a stock, my hope is that all of this illuminating spotlight placed on this issue will hopefully lead regulators to finally pay attention and distribute justice equally.
But also a mass level of support from patriots that say, hey, Tim's actually building a great company.
I want to invest into that company in the hopes that I can help the company realize its full value.
At the end of the day, that's that's how we fight back.
Yeah, and again, you know, from what I see, you know, I look at, you know, whether it's a Black Rifle Coffee and I look at other companies with similar businesses and, you know, even much lesser revenue and I look at their share price versus the others and I'm like, huh, what's going on here?
Because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
So yeah, we got to figure that out and, you know, figure out how to combat it.
Unfortunately, we'll never get a fair shake with the regulators because they're vested on the other side.
If we were doing this to a liberal company, I can assure you we'd be investigated.
It would be a big deal.
There'd be congressional hearings and something would get done.
You know, unfortunately, we don't get to play.
We have to play by a different set of rules.
But, you know, I think we'll prevail because we're right.
But it's why we just need everyone's support so much.
So, Michael, you know, any final thoughts for people to know about Public Square, what they can do, what's going on, what's new, how they can help and get involved?
Well, I would just say that if you want to support American-owned operations that are powered by families just like yours, small businesses that love their country, love the Constitution, and will build their businesses with meritocracy, excellence, and innovation in mind, you want to shop from those types of businesses, you can head to publicsquare.com.
If you would like to inquire about switching your payment processor over to an entity that will protect your right to conduct transactions with your customers, come hell or high water, go to publicsquare.com slash payments.
And at the end of the day, my encouragement to everyone, vote with your ballot, vote with your wallet, vote with your time, your energy, and resources.
Anything you do in your life, is it a vote or an endorsement for something?
And so anytime we're spending, anytime we're swiping the card, anytime we're going to the ballot box, we want to make sure that our lives are an expression of our convictions and of our values.
I don't want to hold my convictions really fast and tight at the ballot box, but then not transact with those same convictions, because all I'm then doing is feeding the beast that's going to use my money against me.
And so my encouragement to folks is recognize that you have enormous power as a voter, as a consumer, and as a patriot more holistically with how you spend your time and your money.
Regarding how we save the economy, it really, at the end of the day, will look like a gradual and then sudden.
It's going to be millions of little actions, little transactions, and one day, a decade or two down the road, we're going to wake up and realize that there's a new American Renaissance era Likewise.
You know what?
us because we have built a parallel economy that is able to withstand the forces of cancellation
that are seeking to destroy us.
That's the goal at the end of the day.
And Don, I know you're on the journey with us.
I'm so appreciative of everything you've done.
You've been really the leader of the parallel patriotic economy.
And it's an honor to be in the fight with you.
Likewise, you know, I'd be remiss if I didn't give you a tell everyone about every life
because again, we keep seeing these voids and we just try to fill them.
So this is another, like, vertical from Public Square where, yeah, hey, I never thought I'd be in the diaper business.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
I did not have that in my bingo card ever, but talk a little bit about EveryLife diapers, what it is.
I mean, the fastest growing baby brand in the world right now.
I mean, super excited.
I mean, and again, why?
Just even, you know, the notion of public square and where these things are.
I look at these things.
I look at these companies and the growth.
It's just incredible.
So, uh, give everyone that pitch because anyone who's having babies or knows someone who's having babies, uh, rather than supporting the woke companies that have traditionally been in that space, who donate freely to Planned Parenthood and everything that, talk about Every Life and what we're doing there.
I'd be happy to.
This one's fun.
It might sound kind of random.
Uh, cause you're right.
We did start a temper company together.
It is kind of random, but it's like, hey, you see a window, you got to run through it.
You know what I mean?
Exactly.
We learned from our platform, publicsquare.com, that we had a lot of moms, largely Christian conservative moms, that were looking for baby goods, diapers, wipes, pull-ups that aligned with their values.
Because crazy enough, every single major baby brand in the United States today, without exception, every single one of them, Pampers, Huggies, Hello Bello, Honest, Coterie, They were actually taking their money and donating it to Planned Parenthood.
They were supporting abortion organizations financially.
They were going in egregious support of Democrats.
In fact, one of the nicest diaper companies, after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which was responsible, which your father was actually responsible for, that was an incredible act.
Because it made constitutional sense, which is what the Supreme Court is supposed to do at the end of the day.
They worked the process.
It happened how it was supposed to.
Coterie, the Rolls-Royce of diapers, they call themselves, came out and said that they were heartbroken at the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
This is a diaper company.
It makes no sense.
They said their team feels lost.
That's like going and like, that's shooting your customer.
It's literally like trying to kill your future customers.
Mind-blowing.
It is, but it shows you how far the woke economy went.
So, when we saw that there's a huge void in the market, there's a need for an elegant, high-quality baby brand that would celebrate life and the expansion of families, especially as we're seeing a birth rate decline, Don, right now, that is keeping me up at night.
We do not have enough babies being born.
We needed a brand that would actually celebrate the miracle of family, that would recognize that strong families build a strong nation, and would have the best diaper on the market.
We knew if we built it, we had the audience there at Public Square who would buy it, so we built a baby brand called EveryLife.
And Don, we launched it about 11 months ago.
And it is now, as you mentioned, the fastest growing baby brand in the entire world.
It is booming.
And what's pretty cool to date is that the number one driver of new customers for our baby brand, EveryLife, is actually families from the Public Square Marketplace community.
So it's this ecosystem that's helping feed each other.
Folks are finding out about the parallel economy on Rumble through the content they're watching here.
They're coming in and shopping on Public Square.
They're talking about their experiences on Truth and X. It's this ecosystem That is becoming more and more impenetrable, and it's growing by the day.
So whether you're looking to buy guns or diapers, you should be able to do that in a way that is void of any sort of cancellation pressure and celebrates the values that make our country special.
You can do that through Public Square.
You can do that through EveryLife.
And we're going to keep building solutions as we see holes in the market, Don.
At the end of the day, that's why we are here.
We're here to build.
We're here to provide proactive solutions.
And it's a fun fight to be on.
Well, I'm glad to be in it with you, buddy.
You're doing an incredible job, guys.
Follow Seifert.
Follow Michael Seifert on Twitter.
He does a great job there, too, pushing back on these things.
Check out Public Square.
Check out Every Life.
If you're having a baby, if you know someone that has babies, whatever it may be, again, you know, we'll go ahead and do all the work to build these things.
We just appreciate your guys' support in helping us grow and helping us push back against the woke virus and the insanity that we see out there every day.
So, Michael Seifert, thank you very much, buddy.
Great to see you.
And I look forward to talking to you soon.
Don, great to see you, too.
We'll keep fighting.
Thank you.
Always.
Well, guys, joining me now, author of the book Imminent, Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs, the former head of the Pentagon program responsible for the investigation of UFOs, Lou Elizondo.
Lou, you're out with a new book, Imminent, which is a look inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs and the profound secrets of the program.
What are some of those secrets?
I mean, it seems almost crazy.
Maybe it's the world in which we live right now that's just gone so out of whack that all of a sudden you started seeing all these Air Force videos of UFOs and people aren't even like, Like, in the grand scheme of things, it's almost shocking how little a reaction we've gotten from people.
What does the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs look like?
Well, you know, let's go back to what you said.
What is the biggest secret?
I think the biggest secret that most people don't know is that The U.S.
government has had a long vested interest in the topic of UAP or, in the vernacular, UFOs going back decades.
A lot of folks, you know, they hear anecdotally about the Foo Fighters towards the end of World War II.
Then they hear a little bit between Project Blue Book and then, of course, BAM, A-TIP.
What they don't realize is that the government has had a long, long-standing interest in this, had many, many different UAP investigations.
throughout the decades, and it never really stopped.
And I think, you know, when you when you look at the topic, and you think tinfoil hats and silly things like that, the reality is, we're talking about a real national security issue, a national security issue that affects every single American.
And frankly, the I would submit to you even even our democracy now, not for the ways you might think.
But if you want to get into that, we certainly can can get into that as well.
Yeah, well, let's hear all about it.
I mean, obviously there's a national security issue, but I think it also seems like a civilizational issue.
You know, if those technologies are that advanced and if they were, you know, you know, you see the movies and as much as I'm not a fan of Hollywood, it does seem like a lot of the stuff they predict 20 years later sort of ends up happening.
You know, talk a little bit about that.
What does it all mean?
You know, how much of it can be, you know, extraterrestrial life versus perhaps, you know, again, Other countries with just, you know, better technology.
I can see the Chinese stealing our stuff, spending trillions of dollars to advance it.
It's not like we don't give them enough money.
And creating a real threat, you know, beyond, again, extraterrestrial life.
Yeah, actually, all of the above.
You're absolutely correct.
You know, there's obviously concern that this could be some sort of adversarial, beyond-next-generation technology that's being used against us.
And then there's the other reality that this could be something profoundly different.
And anything that we're actually Used to or prepared to talk about.
I'll give you a case in point.
There is advanced air.
We obviously have vehicles that can perform in the ways that the five observables predict, right?
So instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic velocity, low observability, transmedium travel, and in the vernacular, anti-gravity.
But the reality is, is that what we are looking at are objects.
For example, let's take the end of World War II.
We had just entered the atomic age.
We had barely broken the sound barrier.
And today's, compare that to today's technology, for example, the Lockheed YF-12A SR-71.
That's an aircraft that could fly at approximately Mach 5 or hypersonic, right at the lower end of hypersonic velocity.
But when it wants to take a right hand turn, takes roughly half the state of Ohio to do it.
We're seeing objects that are not just doing that speed.
But think of 10,000, 13,000 miles an hour being clocked on radar, multiple different radar systems, and it was being clocked back in the 1950s.
Now, temporally speaking, one could say, yeah, maybe we have that technology today somewhere, some country.
But if you look where we were in the 1950s, temporally speaking, it just doesn't make sense.
That would be like going into King Tut's tomb for the very first time, chiseling away that plaster wall, and all of a sudden seeing behind that wall a fully assembled 747 jet.
Yeah, I mean 1950s technology, that was like the beginning of like the F-15 era or something like that, right?
Oh yeah, before that, actually, we're talking F-105s, we're talking Sabres.
Oh yeah, maybe that means the 60s, yeah, because that's 50-year-old technology.
I'm thinking 50 years, not 1950s, but yes, 100%.
So, you know, we're talking about technology that we have been encountering over controlled U.S.
airspace, over sensitive military installations, For the greater part of 70 years that even today, we can't replicate those performance characteristics.
So back to your original question, what would that mean to our country from a national security perspective?
Let's just suspend reality for a second and just presume or assume country X over the last 70 years has perfected this technology.
Now, despite the billions of dollars that we invest each year to our intelligence community to avoid strategic surprise, despite the billions of dollars we spend each year in trying to maintain a technological advantage over our adversaries, someone somewhere was able to develop this technology, Complete secret.
And oh, by the way, deploy it without impunity over our controlled U.S.
airspace anytime they want to.
And oh, by the way, possibly, possibly interfere with our nuclear capabilities.
Now, if that was the case, this would be an intelligence failure eclipsing that of 9-11 by an order of magnitude.
Think about that for a minute.
So, yes, is it possible a foreign adversarial technology has been able to do this for the last 70, 80 years?
Yes, it is possible.
Is it likely?
Probably not.
When we were at AATIP, we had a whole list of what we call Blue Force, Red Force capabilities, our technologies, adversarial technologies, and what we are seeing are things that are performing in ways That no country on this planet has yet the ability to replicate, and that's just the bottom line.
Yeah, that's not like, you know, hey, you know, Russia or China is, you know, their scientists are over-performing us by 5 or 10 percent.
That would be, they're over-performing us by, like, you know, Einstein versus a kindergartner.
Correct.
Correct.
It's literally an order of magnitude.
That's what we call beyond next generation technology.
When we're talking national security, you have what we call near-peer adversaries.
So think Russia, China, the United States.
Near-peer means we're kind of on the same playing field, technologically speaking.
Yeah, hypersonics and stealth technology and things like that.
But we're not talking about objects that can perform three, four thousand g-force maneuvers.
Yeah, I mean, 13,000 miles an hour.
I mean, that's from New York City to California in like 12 minutes.
Yeah, correct.
And by the way, that's in low Earth atmosphere, where the friction coefficient is very, very, very, it's basically like soup.
The atmosphere is so dense.
The further you get down to the surface.
So you might expect, let's say the space shuttle, when it's reaching its orbital velocity of 17,500 miles an hour, it's doing that where there's no atmosphere, there's no friction.
Yeah.
But that's not what we're seeing here.
We're seeing objects that can do that in low Earth atmosphere environments.
Yeah, so take a step back, Luke.
Give us a little bit of your background, your CV, so to speak, so people sort of understand, you know, where you were, what you were doing, because it's sort of amazing, again, that this information really isn't out there, that we're probably not taking it more seriously.
Again, I think when we look at some of the disasters going on in the world right now, you know, I think I've had this conversation with Tucker Carlson as well.
It's almost shocking that people aren't like, This is a really big deal, like, we're like aliens, it's like, you know, or, you know, UFOs, UAPs, uh, you know, now it's like becoming common knowledge that it exists and everyone's like, ah, I got other things to worry about right now.
It feels like 15, 20 years ago, uh, that would have been like, you know, that would have led the next space race.
Well, uh, you know, I don't disagree with you.
Um, first of all, back, a little bit of background about me.
Raised in South Florida, went to University of Miami.
I studied, I went to school to be a microbiologist and immunologist.
I am a disciple of the scientific methods and principles.
Later on, I went into the army.
After college, I became a counterintelligence, basically a special agent, and then later became a civilian, a senior special agent in counterintelligence, where Basically, I investigated capital crimes, terrorism, espionage, things like that.
So I've always been a just a fax man kind of guy.
I've always been let the data speak for itself.
Never was particularly interested in science fiction or anything like that as a kid.
And it wasn't until 2009 that really my worldview changed dramatically when the U.S.
government asked me to be part of an ongoing, now I can talk about it, ongoing UFO investigation.
A program called ATIP and the program that fell under was called AUSAP, where we had some of the best and brightest scientific minds and investigators working for the US government, your taxpayer money, paying for us to investigate military encounters with UFOs.
And that's exactly what happened.
In some cases, these things came so close to our formations.
They would split a combat formation right down the middle, presenting an air safety issue.
We've had these things stalking our nuclear carrier strike groups.
This is something that is very pervasive.
It's the worst kept secret at this point, because pretty much everybody in the military knows about it.
They've encountered these things.
We have Very, very high fidelity videos.
Look, I'll be honest with you, your father was one of the first elected officials to ever publicly take this topic seriously.
And there's a lot of men and women in uniform right now that are very, very grateful for him being courageous and taking the first step.
Look, I gotta tell you, he's gonna be remembered in history very favorably for that alone.
He was the first one to actually champion this cause.
Well, I appreciate that.
And I, you know, it definitely seems like, you know, I always try to make the distinction between sort of the door kickers and the bureaucrats, right?
It seems like, you know, you came through those ranks, whether it was in the agency or whatever.
What do you see going on in those agencies?
Because I see, you know, some of the failures and or the weaponization or politicization You know, of those agencies that used to be, you know, just the facts, ma'am, uh, type of places, they're no longer just the facts.
It's like, well, you know, just the facts, unless you're, you know, a transadmiral, in which case you can just, you know, we'll give you a carrier strike group, even if, you know, you don't know anything about a boat.
Uh, you know, what do you see happening there right now?
Because that, to me, is one of the more disturbing things.
And when you talk about these ongoing threats, it doesn't seem like we're putting our best forward.
We're putting our wokest forward, uh, because for some reason there's, I guess, a Well, first of all, national security should always be apolitical, asexual, and everything else.
seems to be more important than actually facts, actual work, actual results.
What do you see there as someone who'd worked in those agencies for a long time and obviously
still takes a lot of pride in that work and in those institutions?
Well, first of all, national security should always be apolitical, asexual, and everything
else.
It should be objective and not have any type of external influences, interests pushing
you down on it.
But unfortunately, that's not the case.
And I'll tell you, I'll share a little anecdote with you.
A couple of years ago when my father passed away, I had the ability to spend some time
with him.
My father was in the Bay of Pigs invasion, the revolution.
And we came to this country in exile.
This country offered my family opportunities that no other country could or would offer,
period, full stop.
And so I was raised very, very patriotic.
And I asked my father before he passed away.
We're on a road trip I said dad And he said almost flippantly, what do you think is the greatest national security threat we're facing?
And I'm thinking to myself, maybe it's a disease, a pandemic, maybe it's terrorism.
And he looked at me and he said, son, it's corruption.
And I said, corruption?
Like financial corruption?
He said, no.
Corruption, any kind of corruption is the act where you give up a value, a personal core value you have in exchange for something else.
And when you have corruption, whether it's religious corruption, financial corruption, governmental corruption, in the government, in the bureaucracy, if you're corrupt and you're willing to give up a core value in exchange for something, you start eroding away at the very pillar of democracy.
And it's a very short slide from that to total tyranny.
And this is what drives me to do what I'm doing.
I think we need government accountability and transparency.
And I think we need to get rid of the corruptness.
When I say corrupt, I don't mean necessarily in exchange for money.
Anybody who is willing to put their own personal interests over the interests of the American people, Shouldn't be in government.
Anybody who forgets that it is your job in government to serve the people and not the other way around, if you forget that, you shouldn't be in government.
And this is the reason why I do what I do.
Because a lot of my fellow men and women in uniform feel the same way.
They've given their lives, in some cases, who are the real heroes of this country, because they never made it back, to make sure this country's values remain intact.
And that is, the government is there to serve the will of the people.
And when you have individuals in government that forget that, we've got a serious problem on our hands.
I mean, this is bigger than UFOs.
It seems like a lot of people have forgotten.
Maybe the vast majority of the people in power.
And I guess, you know, maybe they just like being in power and working in government.
You know, usually not a lot of pay.
And I guess they're trying to get on board seats to get that pay back eventually.
Yeah, and it's a shame because look, at the end of the day, this country only works because the people have faith and confidence in its institutions and its values and what it does.
And again, when you're talking about something that is coming into our airspace, I don't care what the Air Force says, I can tell you all day long that we have complete air domain awareness.
Well, how funny that is because the moment we start recalibrating our radar systems to look for UAP, what do we see?
Chinese spy balloons that have been there for God knows how long just wafting over the
northern continental United States completely unchallenged, right?
And so proof is in the pudding that we've got a serious issue on our hands.
And if you're not going to be truthful with the American people about this topic, then
what other topics are you hiding?
You know, all I have to say when people say, oh, the Pentagon never lies.
Well, unless you talk about, I don't know, Iran-Contra or the Afghanistan withdrawal
or the Pentagon papers or the Kennedy assassination.
I mean, you know, it feels like there's a long list of things they've lied to us about, you know, ranging from probably every war we've been in in the last 200 years.
But, you know, I guess, you know, if we're talking about UFOs and UAPs, first and foremost, I guess, what are the proper definitions of that?
What exactly does that mean to the average person watching?
Well, you know, we used in the vernacular the word UFO, unidentified flying object, but we realized for several reasons.
A, the term wasn't accurate, and B, there was a lot of unnecessary stigma and taboo associated with it, in large part because of Hollywood and things like that.
But the reality is, is when you say something's flying, an unidentified flying object, Let's take this battery cell phone charger.
There's four fundamental forces.
You have thrust, lift, drag, and weight.
And when you understand that, you can create wings and you create lift.
And therefore that is flying.
What we are seeing are objects that don't have those associated attributes or technologies.
They don't have wings, control surfaces, rudders, elevators, not even cockpits, right?
So, and yet we see them in our skies.
So they're probably not flying in a conventional sort of way.
Two, they're not just in our atmosphere.
They're not just flying because we see them now, we're detecting them underwater, we're detecting them in low Earth orbit, and throughout a whole range of different domains.
So the term itself isn't accurate.
And secondly, when you say UFO, again, there's that whole tinfoil hat crowd, you know, Elvis on the mothership, when in reality, we're talking about a technology that we are recording both electro-optically on gun camera footage and FLIR footage, but also being backed up by hard radar data returns from sea-based radar, airborne radar like E2 Hawkeye, SPY-1 radar, and then you have the eyewitnesses of trained observers.
These are people that can distinguish a silhouette from 10 miles away and make a determination, is it an SU-22, a MiG-25, or an F-16, and make a decision to shoot it down, right?
And when that's being backed up with the gun camera footage and the radar data, you've now got sometimes three to five separate sensor systems all recording the same thing at the same time, In the same place, under the same circumstances.
If this was, when I was a special agent, if I took this to a jury, we're well beyond reasonable doubt.
The jury would have no choice but to convict.
And yet, because we're talking about UAP, it's crickets.
I don't need to tell you when you go to, let's say, a train station or an airport, you always hear the announcements, if you see something suspicious, say something.
And yet, It's the opposite when it came to UAP.
In fact, if these things have a UAP star... And UAP stands for exactly what?
Because we understand UFO, but UAP is what?
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon.
Because we are seeing them in multiple domains.
So, we are saying it's unidentified and it's anomalous because it doesn't fit any patterns of any normal technology that we're used to dealing with, right?
And so that's why you have unidentified, and it was unidentified aerial phenomenon, and then that was recently changed again by the government to be unidentified anomalous phenomenon to cover all the different environments and domains that we're in.
Because you're saying we're finding them underwater as well, like our submarines are detecting them, and you know, are they picking them up with sonar?
Do they, you know, does one of these objects, does it displace You know, air in the sky the way a plane would where, you know, you leave basically a turbulence wake or underwater.
There's no signatures.
There's no heat trail, no contrails, no atmospheric ionization, no friction.
Really, really bizarre.
And I'll share a story with you.
I have to be careful when we talk about underwater capabilities because that's still very sensitive for the U.S.
Government.
Let me, I'll relay to you a story.
I was talking to a boomer class submarine commander Some time ago on one of my debriefings and I said, you know, you guys detected something.
What did you detect?
He said, all I can tell you is that it was moving at about four to five hundred knots underwater and it was bigger.
than the submarine we were in.
Now think about that for a minute.
Yeah, you create a tsunami.
It's like the Empire State Building underwater, right?
They're enormous.
600 feet long.
They're huge things.
And so when I asked him, and I asked him point blank, I said, what do you do when you guys come into contact with something like that?
And man, without blinking an eye, he looked at me dead serious.
He said, Lou, we go around.
I gotta tell you, you know, I don't blame you.
Yeah, probably a smart thing to do.
I'm not gonna mess with that guy!
Whatever that is, I want no part of it.
So Lou, I guess just about every American at this point carries a 4G HD camera in their pocket.
Why don't we have any high quality iPhone footage of a UFO?
Maybe we're just not capable of picking it up in that stuff, and the stuff that you guys have is obviously much more advanced.
Believe it or not, there are some folks now that are getting some really good footage with their They're personal phones or cell phones.
But there's also people say, well, how come the three videos we see that the government released are all grainy and blurry?
Because the other stuff that's crystal clear, like you said, 4k, 8k, ultra high definition is very, very classified because we're trying to protect the sources of methods and the locations.
By which some of this data was picked up.
For example, we know that there's a connection to nuclear capabilities and nuclear technology.
We don't necessarily want to tip our hand to an adversary that, hey, we just happen to have a special capability looking at your stuff when we've all of a sudden picked up this UFO on camera.
Some of it is very, very compelling.
And this is why I was, you know, for me and a lot of my colleagues in the government, we've seen the videos.
We know, we've read the reports, right?
We've talked to the eyewitnesses.
We've seen the radar returns on this.
We know the data is there because we had it.
We want that, whatever can be released to the public, at a minimum, at least to those in Congress who have a need to know, and the president, because there have been presidents that have been kept in the dark deliberately on this topic.
Yeah, okay, so I was going to ask you about that.
Who knows what and when, because, you know, I sort of, you know, the precursor to this show, you know, just during the 2020 campaign, I did a show with my father, you know, and, you know, asked him about that.
That was the only thing I actually wanted a real, you know, hey, you know, And he sort of looked at me and laughed like it was like he just sort of blew it off.
But it seems like there's a lot more out there.
And who has the right to actually know that?
It seems like they would have probably kept him in the dark.
Maybe he was just, you know, playing coy with me.
Maybe he does actually know.
But, you know, it didn't seem like something that they were bringing to his attention for certain.
Well, that's a problem, right?
It's the same thing with, for example, the Kennedy files after 80 years.
It has outlived its shelf life for secrecy.
And all that does is create extra distrust in our government and our institutions.
This is why I think it's important we have the conversation.
There is data there.
Look, There were people who didn't know AATIP existed until we went public, right?
What does AATIP stand for?
I understand the program, but what does it stand for for people who don't know the acronym?
Sure.
Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
AATIP.
A-A-T-I-P.
And that's a perfect case in point, because we were running a program that was taxpayer dollars behind it, and no one in the executive branch knew about it, even though they had a need to know.
I couldn't even get my old friend, Jim Mattis, my Secretary of Defense, briefed in on this, because the minders around him were concerned about the topic.
We need more information.
We need to move for Fidelity.
You know, we're worried about, well, what if somebody asked Secretary Mattis, have you been briefed on this topic before?
Now he has to say yes, right?
Oh my gosh, what would that do?
So, there was a lot of issues involving this topic, and then there's a historical piece of this where, you know, maybe, I have to be careful what I say, maybe the government has gleaned some insight on how this stuff works, and maybe we don't want to tip our hand to our adversaries that, yeah, we maybe know a little bit more than we're letting on.
Talk for a second, Lou, you know, where would you think these programs should go under a second Trump administration?
Oh my gosh.
What a great question.
You know, I'm usually prepared for a lot of questions.
That's what I'm not.
Well, first of all, let me say I would never propose to say I know what's best for a president's administration.
A president's job is one of those jobs that I can't imagine the type of responsibility on anybody's shoulders.
I wouldn't want it.
And I think as long as you bring in the right people to work with you, That's a good start.
put the right people in place to ask the right questions and go to the right
organizations where we know the information is. That's a good start.
RFK, for example, has been a big supporter of transparency on the UAP
topic for a while now. And you've got other people too that have been
very supportive even behind the scenes.
I won't say their names publicly because they haven't given me permission.
But there's a lot of people, I think, who do a lot of good with this topic in the Trump administration.
You know, there were people, I'll give you an example, even this administration with Biden.
John Podesta would have been great, unfortunately.
He ran into some complications with some people on the National Security Council, but John Podesta would have been a great guy to run this effort.
It doesn't have to be a political, conservative, or liberal person.
As long as the person is a servant to the American people, remembers where their loyalty lies, and can do a good, honest, fair job, and is accountable, and is transparent, and loyalty remains with the U.S., Then I think there's a whole lot of people.
You know, you could put a chief scientist there.
There's a long laundry list of people that would do great in a new administration, I think, to lead this effort.
You have people like Admiral Tim Gallaudet or even Colonel Carl Nell, who was a colonel who was pretty much pushed out of government.
You have people like David Grouch, who was a whistleblower.
There's a lot of people that have, I think, I think they have good motivation, they're highly intelligent, and they are loyal to the American people.
And that's really what you want.
You don't need an expert in advanced aerospace technology, because we've got a lot of those.
What you need is somebody who's going to be truthful with the administration, and truthful to the American people, and hold themselves accountable.
So Lou, if you're asked at the, you know, office Christmas party, at the water cooler or, you know, at the punch bowl, are aliens real?
What, what is the answer?
I never say the word aliens.
Okay.
First and foremost, I say, we say non-human intelligence because back to your point, you said something that's very interesting.
Are they from outer space?
Are they from here?
What not?
Let me give you a little analogy very quickly.
I went to school in the medical field at University of Miami and I was taught that it was the Greeks who recognized there were two dominant life forms on this planet.
You were either a plant or you were an animal.
And human beings kind of consider themselves under the animal kingdom.
Then, during the Renaissance, about 300 years ago, we discovered this entire new form of life that's been here all along, that's neither plant nor animal, and that was the world of fungus.
And so we pat ourselves on the shoulder, and it wasn't until the last 120 years, think about this, where we had the technology to curve glass and look through a little metal tube and famously yell, little beasties, little beasties!
Did we discover the true dominant life form on this planet?
And in fact, if you add up all the biomass of every animal, all the biomass of every plant, and all the biomass of every fungus and put it all together, it still does not equal the biomass of this hidden life form that's been here all along, and that is the life form of microorganisms that are inside every human being, that compose of human beings, live on the outer skin of the ISS space station, and even live under the crushing depths of miles of ice beneath the Arctic.
Life is pervasive, and every time we think life can't exist somewhere, we're always proven wrong.
So my point being is, are these things natural to Earth?
Are they just as natural to Earth as we are, and we're finally at the point where technologically we can interact with them?
Are they from underwater?
Look, let's face it, only 10% of the ocean floor has been mapped.
We know more about the surface of the moon than we do our own oceans.
Is it possible they're from there?
Is it possible they are from outer space?
All these options have to be on the table until they're no longer on the table.
And this is why, when you asked me the question before, who do you put in charge to do that?
You need someone who is going to remain fair, objective, and open-minded to all possibilities until the data suggests otherwise.
Because at the end of the day, this is a data-driven initiative, an endeavor that we have to let the data and the science speak for itself.
Human innuendos and what I think and what I believe is irrelevant in this conversation.
What matters is what does the data suggest, and then what do the American people feel about this topic, and what do they want to do about it?
And at the end of the day, if they don't want to do anything, great!
But at least the American public had a chance to have the conversation.
I personally believe Americans can handle the truth.
Yeah, listen, I think knowledge is power.
The more we know, the better we can handle it.
So Lou, really appreciate the conversation.
Tell us where we can find the book.
Check it out.
I know there's a lot of people fascinated about it.
I see it pop up in the comments all the time.
So I'm sure I'll get a bunch.
We'll probably have to do a follow-up to get even further into the weeds here.
But let us know where we can check that out for those who are interested.
Anywhere.
Look, I don't want to plug my book.
I feel terrible after it.
No, it's OK.
We've got to get it out there.
Well, you can find it anywhere books are sold.
But if you ever want to have another conversation, it would be my honor and privilege.
Thank you to you and your wonderful audience.
Happy to do that anytime.
Really appreciate it, Lou.
Thanks a lot, guys.
I appreciate it.
Be well.
We'll see you soon.
And guys, check out the book, and we'll be back in a little bit.
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