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The Roadmap to a MAGA Victory, Interviews with Sean Davis & Tim Murtaugh | TRIGGERED Ep.169
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Today's going to be a fun one.
First up, we have Sean Davis back from The Federalist, who's been doing some big investigations into the Secret Service scandal, how the media and Democrats organized a coup against their sitting president, and just exactly what is so weird about Tim Walz.
Then we'll be joined by Tim Murtaugh, who's back with the Trump campaign after serving as a comms director in 2020.
He'll give us the inside scoop on where things stand, what's going on.
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Guys, joining me now, the Federalist founder and CEO, Sean Davis.
Sean, great to have you back, first and foremost.
A lot going on in the last couple of weeks.
I think we're seeing some true insanity, but it almost doesn't seem to matter.
In your heart of hearts, do you think America would actually elect someone as extreme as Kamala Harris?
Are Americans... I don't want to say... I guess they're numb, perhaps.
Are they numb to it at this point?
or are they just being lied to and they're still following for it despite sort of years of chaos?
You know, how many legitimate undecided voters could there possibly even be at this point?
Yeah, if you ask me, the American people given full, fair, accurate information,
whether they would vote for this insanity, absolutely not.
There's no chance.
But the problem is we have such a corrupt media complex in this country.
We have such a corrupt big tech complex.
I call it the censorship industrial complex.
That they exist to lie to people and to get people to do what they want by hook or crook, no matter what it takes.
And so I think the question is, are there enough people still believing in the lies of the media?
I'll tell you, I think it's a whole lot fewer people now than four years ago or eight years ago or 20 years ago.
I feel like everybody's kind of onto them at this point, thankfully.
But does it feel like they're doubling down because of that?
It's like they just...
You know, again, it was sort of funny, you know, when in the weeks leading up to Joe Biden sort of dropping out, it was like, wow, they were actually being honest about Joe Biden.
They were actually acknowledging his incompetence.
Ironically, in the weeks prior to that, they were talking about how bad Kamala Harris was.
Then the second they got what they wanted, which is someone who may be able to win because they knew he couldn't.
All of a sudden, Kamala Harris is a moderate, she was never the border czar, she's a wonderful orator, and a great speaker, and they're not word salads, and how dare you, that's racist.
I've never seen, you know, they were never actually being honest about Joe Biden, they were just doing it for a purpose, to win, as their job as the spokesperson for the DNC, but it's crazy to see it, and the doubling down, the tripling down, the quadrupling down, is unlike anything I've seen, and I think I've seen a lot at this point.
I totally agree.
I mean, I was kind of blown away just by how dishonest they were by the level of gaslighting.
I'm generally pretty cynical and skeptical of stuff, and so I thought I was prepared for what they were going to do when they went from saying, Joe Biden- How bad can they get?
The answer is, whatever you thought, it's going to be worse.
Yeah, I honestly, I decry my own lack of imagination at being able to fully understand the depths of their depravity.
But I mean, they went from saying Joe Biden was totally fine, like overnight to he's in such bad shape, we're just going to do a coup against him.
and we're gonna put in someone new.
And I think my favorite part about the whole Kamala campaign
is this attempt to pretend that she has not been in office, in the White House for four years,
that she wasn't in the Senate.
It's like they just wanna tell us that she has descended from on high
and just been handed to us and she has no policies that are bad,
she has no opinions, it's all vibes and feeling good and this super communist joy campaign they're running.
But the willingness to just pretend she's not been in office
for four years, that she didn't vote for the biggest inflation increasing law in history,
genuinely blows my mind to watch them do it.
I didn't know they would be that shameless.
It's absolutely shocking.
I mean, it really, like, she's gonna lower inflation.
I was like, well, why didn't you do it?
She's gonna hire all these Border Patrol people.
Why didn't you do it?
It was literally your job.
That's what you were assigned to do, and you didn't do it.
Like, you know, X, Y, Z. I mean, it's like a cross between, like, communism and MAGA.
Like, they go communist where they can buy the vote, and MAGA where it's a popular thing with the people, and it's the craziest concept.
I mean, I still don't know that the platform is fully vetted, post-DNC even.
You know, I know they posted the original platform, it hasn't...
haven't changed it at all. Kareem Jean-Pierre was out there two weeks ago saying there is no light
between Harris's policy and the Biden administration's policies. So yeah, that's the question.
Why didn't they do it? But more importantly, why doesn't the media ask her that same question?
It seems so obvious.
She's gonna do XYZ.
Well, why didn't she do it?
She's had four years to do it.
No one believes that Joe Biden's actually in charge, so she's probably the most powerful vice president, at least in recent times, maybe ever, because, you know, the person in charge is clearly inept.
Yeah, it's been just so interesting to watch.
And I think the reason the media won't ask her any questions about policy is that any discussion of policy is a loser for her.
Because if you're going to talk policy, you have to talk about inflation.
You have to talk about our national debt soaring.
You have to talk about the currency being increasingly worthless.
You have to talk about the skyrocketing cost of groceries, of gas, of school, of college, of health care.
Any discussion of policy is going to end up making her look bad because it's been the Democrat policies of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden that have gotten us to this place.
So I think media have all decided among themselves, we're not asking her anything about it.
And if we do, it's going to be in the most vague, defensive possible way that we will make sure whatever clip she has, you know, doing her typical word salad won't look too bad.
And that's why they're doing this stupid vibes campaign with like going and buying Doritos And talking about joy.
And getting caught doing multiple takes because, you know, I mean, I don't know.
I don't eat a lot of junk food.
I try to avoid it.
As I get older, my metabolism slowed down a little bit.
But like, it doesn't take two takes to buy Doritos.
Like, if you've actually done these things before and you're not, you know, a robot, which she is, it shouldn't be that hard.
Yeah, it really shouldn't.
And it's just, it's so strange to see like the things that they somehow assume people want to hear.
I don't care what types of chips my president eats.
I really don't.
I do care how much stuff costs that I'm going to eat.
I care that it, you know, cost me more than a hundred bucks to fill up my truck.
Because gas is like $3.50 a gallon.
I care about that stuff.
But whether the president is drinking Diet Coke or eating Doritos, I don't even care if the president is like me.
I don't think I care if the president likes me.
I kind of just want the president there to do the job and make life affordable and make America safe again.
And yet, Harris and Biden have zero interest in that.
They just want to be in charge.
Yeah, I mean, let's talk a little bit about, you know, the vice presidential candidate on her side, Walt.
I mean, it feels like, literally, like, they've picked him because he's, like, the male archetype of every, like, sitcom dad, like, bumbly, incompetent.
It's like, I guess there's sort of a, felt like there was always an affront on fatherhood and the traditional, like, you know, family from the left, and you can see that in Hollywood, but there really is, like, The male archetype, you know, Tim Waltz is the bumbling Hollywood dad.
Like, he can't get anything right.
He's not particularly masculine.
He's sort of, you know, subservient to the, you know, boss woman wife.
I mean, what does that say and what does it, you know, represent about sort of the left's agenda today?
Well, it's such a good question.
You look at someone like Walls and you look at Harris, and something I've seen a lot of in politics is that politicians who are weak and insecure, they don't want alphas around them.
They don't want to be around strong people because they're worried that being around strong, alpha, truly masculine people makes them look bad.
Whereas when you're secure around yourself, you just want good people around you.
And it's almost like she went out looking for the weakest person she could possibly find.
So she didn't want to pick Shapiro because he was Jewish.
And she goes and finds this nobody of a, seems kind of like an actual communist in Minnesota
who lied about being football coach.
You don't do like 30 trips to the, you know, the CCP, you know, China, and not get worked by their,
you know, their intel agencies, or, you know, just be naturally sort of believing
of those values.
I mean, it's actually scary.
I mean, the ties there, what's almost worse, it's almost worse than Biden in that it's not financial.
The guy just genuinely espouses those beliefs, it seems.
It doesn't seem like he was actually on their payroll.
He's probably working for them, just because that's how they groom, you know, their future operatives.
But it does not seem like he took a lot of money, if he took any, unlike the Bidens, where at least you say, okay, well, they're just scumbags, you know, profiteering from their office, but they may not actually believe the communist agenda.
Yeah, that's that's totally true.
Like if I had to pick the worst of all worlds, it's not the guy who's corrupt and and gets bought off, although that's obviously bad.
And the Bidens were doing that for years, if not decades.
I think it's way worse to have the true communist believer in there, which is what Tim Walz is.
I mean, he and his wife got married on, according to his wife, the fifth anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre because she wanted to be sure that she could remember the date.
And I'll tell you, I don't think she looks back on that date with regret.
I don't think she picked it because, oh, that's a sad day.
I think she picked it because they're kind of into what happened there.
Yeah, like, and if you're siding with that regime with tanks rolling over, you know, peaceful protesters, you're probably not on, like, the side of the good guys.
And yet, they don't see it that way.
No, I mean, he's went there like 30 times.
I was talking to one of my colleagues the other day and I said, you know what?
I don't think I have gone to visit family like 30 times in the last 20 years.
That's a lot of travel, let alone to a foreign country, let alone to a communist foreign country.
At some point, you got to start asking, does the guy really believe this or do they control him somehow?
Because it looks like we have something of a Manchurian communist Chinese asset buying for the White House here.
Yeah, well, listen, Sean, you run a conservative news outlet.
What have you seen these days as far as censorship in the analytics of what's going on?
You know, whether it's polling or otherwise, relative to past election cycles, because I'm seeing some wild stuff.
I mean, you know, you know, supposed to be a reputable polling places.
They're releasing polls that are three weeks old to try to create bumps.
And it's like it's.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
We shouldn't look at them any differently than the media, but it seems like there's a lot of shenanigans at play.
Yeah, so much seems fake.
I mean, we know the news is fake.
A bunch of the polls are fake.
I think back to 2020 where there was, it was either a CNN or a Washington Post poll.
It's like trying to differentiate between dog turds in the backyard.
Sometimes you don't know which dog did which one.
And I remember in 2020, they had a poll showing Biden was going to be trumped by 17 points in Wisconsin.
Like, 17 points.
It was insane.
Biden ended up having the tally of a couple thousand more, maybe a percent more.
And so you see what was happening now.
Kamala Harris is one of the most unpopular vice presidents in history.
No one liked her.
She was so bad at politics that when she ran for president the first time, she had to drop out before a single vote was cast.
And we're magically supposed to believe that within minutes of them doing a coup on Joe Biden, that suddenly she's the most inspiring, most beautiful, brave, courageous woman and the most popular vice president in history.
I just don't buy it.
And so I kind of just assume, along with the news, that all the polls are fake too.
They almost have to be, right?
But again, I think they're also by design, right?
In some places, they're designed to make you overconfident.
In some places, they're designed to make you sit at home.
It really feels like the amount of information that's thrown out there, the amount of things that are so similar and yet with such divergent outcomes, it makes you wonder what more is at stake in there.
Yeah, it feels like they're doing a demoralization campaign on the right.
You know, Trump was riding high.
His poll numbers are doing great.
He was raising money.
Then someone tries to kill him.
People like him even more after that because of his amazing response to it.
And then they decide to swap out Kamala.
And that was supposed to demoralize the right.
And then, oh no, the polls are showing she's ahead and she's up in the popular vote.
She's up in these states.
I think it's meant to do two things, buoy the bottom that was gonna fall out
of the Democrat vote share, because that was happening,
and then demoralize the right by a couple of points and hope that that's enough to make a difference.
And my advice to people would be, ignore it all and vote like the existence
of your country is at stake.
Because it is.
What's interesting is I've actually seen even some of that kind of,
let's call it malarkey, in some of the betting markets.
And it's like, well, wow, that looks weird.
How can it be that she's all of a sudden she's up that much?
And then you look and there's like one outlier bet.
It's, it feels like it's like one Democrat putting like a million dollars, uh, you know, against this, which sort of crushes that, You know, the way those things line up, and it's the same thing.
It's designed to make people feel like they're not going to win.
And they're almost willing to lose that kind of money or create the effect it's intended to have.
And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me that these things would be very well-funded operations by the DNC.
They just, they do that stuff well.
And there's probably some independent Democrats that are actually out there doing that stuff on their own.
When there sort of feels like they're almost manipulating the betting markets with some of these crazy outliers that really does sway the way people view elections, even in the betting markets.
That's sort of amazing, and that's like next-level gamesmanship.
Yeah, and we know they manipulate everything.
They manipulate the news, they manipulate the FBI, they have their own little shock troops that they manipulate to go and wage violent riots when they feel like it.
Everything they do is manipulated.
And I was talking with friends the other day, I remember growing up, if you were in an argument with a friend, somebody would say, shut up, and you'd say, nah, whatever, it's free country, I can say what I want.
That was like a super common retort on the playground.
I really don't feel like we have a free country anymore, given how much of our government seems to exist to control us, to sigh off us, to manipulate us.
It's crazy for me to think about because I didn't think that 10 years ago, certainly not 20 years ago.
And yet I see what Democrats are willing to do and how they're willing to lie to get power.
And I just have to say to myself, I don't think they'll stop at anything.
I think they will do anything that pops into their heads if they think it will allow them to maintain or gain power.
Yeah, I mean, well, they also are doing that, I mean, when you look at the other places you saw, you know, sort of thought as bastions of freedoms, you know, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, UK, Ireland, I mean, UK, you had a couple weeks ago, you had, you know, their police chief and one of the, we're going to come and extradite Americans who You know, break R. I mean, they don't even have, like, remotely free speech.
There's people being thrown in jail for misgendering people.
There's people calling out some of the hate-filled, you know, let's, you know, call them what they are, sort of, uh, migrant bands of roving, you know, uh, attackers, uh, you know, saying, I don't really like those people!
You sent those people!
Jail.
It's insane.
But you know, if you look at those places that prior to COVID, we probably thought, hey, we're pretty similar.
We're pretty aligned.
It's like, that's where we're headed.
If we don't wake up soon.
And it's like, it's shocking to me every day.
I mean, people calling out like some of these guys, they're calling out like rapists and literally people who are beating up people in the streets, and they're the ones getting thrown in jail for saying, We don't want this kind of immigration.
It doesn't seem like it's a crazy thought, but they're getting thrown in jail for that.
And if we call them out in America, this guy's going to try to extradite us?
A police office?
I mean, I'd like to see him try.
I would like to see him try.
I saw that guy on video.
I'm like, I don't know, man.
That guy's not kicking anyone's ass.
He's certainly not extraditing any American I know.
But it's crazy that they feel like they have the power to actually say that with a straight face.
And I guess they've been given that power by some of these lunatic governments.
Yeah, it's actually really depressing to see.
It's a warning, because when you lose control of your borders, when you decide that you're no longer a nation, you're just an economic zone with some lines written around it, you'll just let anyone in.
Because anyone who comes in is somebody who's going to buy stuff, who's going to, I guess, pour money into the economy.
It's a warning sign to America that we are not an idea.
America is not an idea.
It is a distinct nation with distinct laws and distinct borders and a very distinct culture.
And the thing about culture is it takes a very, very long time to build up.
You know, this haven't built companies.
Your dad certainly knows it.
Culture does not get built overnight, but it can be nearly destroyed overnight.
And once it's gone, it's gone.
What we're seeing, the bastion of Western civilization, of modern Western civilization in Europe, in Britain, it's gone.
That's not coming back.
And if we don't do something here pretty soon, if we don't start monitoring and policing our own borders and actually caring about our own culture, because it's something that's deliberately created and protected, We're going to lose it, and when we lose it, we lose everything, because it's the foundation for our entire country.
Yeah, I mean, I know you guys have also been doing at The Federalist some deep dives into some of the, you know, Secret Service things, and they just, what to me seems like clear gross negligence and non-stop failures.
You know, what are some of the new things that you guys have found that people may not have realized?
It feels like every day I wake up to a new story of like, How on earth did that happen?
Like, a toddler would understand that, like, that's not how you'd protect, you know, the presumptive nominee of a political party at the time or anyone.
It just seems asinine, but I know you guys have gone even further and, you know, maybe our guys will be even further surprised that this does not, it doesn't strike me as a coincidence anymore.
It's almost impossible to have this many failures and not, let's say, call it conspiratorial.
I'm not sure I will ever get over the picture of the security perimeter at the Butler rally where it looked like Pac-Man because of the little pizza slice.
That, I'll never be able to get past that.
It's like you're putting up a sign like, shoot me now.
If you want to get him, here's the way to do it.
Just follow the crumbs.
It's lunacy.
It is.
So we had that whole thing.
We had them Within a day or two, washing everything off the roof, normally that stuff you would preserve for a crime scene, they washed it off.
I think a member of Congress recently learned that the body was cremated almost immediately, from like the very second.
I think they had 10 days.
FBI said, yeah, yeah, you can go ahead and cremate it.
That strikes me as crazy.
We had Secret Service agents, and I believe in Massachusetts, the same agency that refused to protect the former and hopefully future president, They broke into a salon in Massachusetts because some Secret Service agents needed a potty stop.
And then they went and got tape and started taping up the cameras in there.
What on earth is happening at that agency?
They have one job.
Their one job is to protect the people that they're protecting, their protectees, to prevent them from getting shot or harmed or killed.
And it doesn't seem they're all that interested in doing that.
So I have to ask, what exactly are they interested in doing?
What is their job?
Yeah, I mean, I saw that body cam footage, I guess it was last week, you know, that came out and it's like literally the local cops.
And again, it's not their job to protect high value targets.
It's not what they do.
They're not used to setting up those kind of perimeters.
And like, they're literally, there's body cam footage of them yelling at the Secret Service, like, hey, like, this seems like a glaring gap.
Like, are you trying to get, like, they're screaming at the guys who do this day in and day out, whose only job it is to do that stuff.
And they're calling out What are obvious, you know, I guess, loopholes or, you know, gaps, you know, in the wall of security?
And it's like, well, if the guy that doesn't do this for a living, who's just, you know, a good, hard-working law enforcement guy is yelling at the people who are the professionals, like, wouldn't it be their job to, like, fix those things immediately on the fly?
Maybe there was an oversight, but if they don't do anything about it then and they leave a rooftop open inside 150 yards, I mean, You know, uh, you know, my dad was asking me what kind of shot that's like.
I'm like, that's like missing a two inch putt.
You know what I mean?
Like that's to miss it.
130 yards.
Like unheard of.
Like, you know, if you know what you're doing, like it's, it's crazy.
Yeah.
It's a gimme and you're a hunter.
I'm a hunter.
I know we're not professional security guys, but when you're a hunter, you don't have to be Sean, you don't, you don't have to be a professional security guard to be like, how does this happen?
Like you have to understand like very basic tactics, like secure the high ground.
I don't know.
I think I learned that in my first history class ever.
Like, you know, learning about wars.
Maybe the Civil War at the time.
You know, this is not rocket science.
It's like Wuhan Lab League theory.
Like, you know, you don't have to be a virologist to be like, of course it came from the lab that studies the virus at ground zero.
Like, where else would it come from?
Like, what are you talking about?
You don't have to be an expert.
Like, it's not one of these things where it's like you have, you know, morons on the internet arguing about, you know, subtle details of constitutional law and they're scholars.
Like, this is just really basic common sense type of stuff.
Yeah, maybe just don't give a line-of-sight, hundred-yard chip shot to a crazy person.
Maybe don't let a guy roam around with an AR and a rangefinder.
Like, maybe when people tell you there's a shooter on the roof... Maybe it's just me.
It just feels like, had I been there, I would have thought of those things.
Yeah, and then it was... I was...
The case that it was all incompetence and negligence, I was open to.
And then I saw the cheatle, the Secret Service Director testify, and then I saw her replacement testify.
And I started thinking, you know what?
I don't think these people are just incompetent.
They are incompetent.
But I think this goes a lot further because the arrogance they had, their aggressiveness in defending them failing at their one job, something else is going on there.
I would love to know what it is.
Is it something that we ever get an answer to, or is it sort of election-dependent?
It's 100% election-dependent, and even then do we get answers.
I mean, it's been, what, 60-plus years since they killed Kennedy, and they're still keeping that stuff sealed when literally every person involved is dead?
So, I mean, at best, we might get answers based on the election.
At worst, we might not get answers ever.
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem like that matters.
I mean, I guess they only recently discovered, what, the Biden family took $27 million from, you know, foreign governments and all these things for all the hard work that they're doing and, you know.
We've been on to the stuff for three years, and Congress has done almost nothing, so I guess it doesn't matter.
You're right.
If they want to get stonewalled by the government, we're— Until we're willing to fight hard enough to actually make something happen, it won't matter.
They'll just stonewall us and, you know, till people forget.
I mean, we had an assassination attempt, you know, a month and a half ago, and, you know, that's basically like it never even happened.
Yeah, I think the most iconic photo in modern American history, by far.
And they were already trying to erase it off the internet within like two weeks.
And I think it's because they actually know how powerful that was.
Everyone, when they saw that, had a visceral reaction to it.
And I think we all tried to put ourselves in Trump's shoes there and say, well, how would I react?
I mean, I shoot guns a lot.
And most people wouldn't, and that's the argument.
Oh yeah, Trump's fake, tough guy, fake.
Oh yeah, he always talks like, no, no, no.
Actually under fire, like takes a bullet to the face, gets up and stands defiant.
Like, you know what?
Say what you want.
That's a, you know, one in a thousand, maybe one in a hundred, you know, people have the balls to actually do that rather than, you know, just curl up in a ball.
And I think that's the difference.
That's what helps us on a world stage.
It's that reaction.
Other world leaders, they feel that vibe and they react accordingly.
It's why we had peace.
It's why we got peace deals done and, you know, every other country wasn't invading their neighbor.
When you see an exude weakness, of course what's going on in the world is going to happen.
Yeah, and to me, it wasn't just balls.
Obviously, it took that.
It was this presence of mind, understanding the moment, understanding what people in that crowd were doing, and knowing, like, I gotta get up and tell them I'm okay, because I need to assure them.
That is actual leadership there.
That's literal leadership under fire.
And we all knew it.
And it's why everyone reacted the way we did when we saw it.
It created an emotional bond there.
And that's why they've tried to erase it.
They don't want to talk about it ever again.
All they want to talk about is Kamala chomping on Doritos and getting happy on Vox One.
We don't want to talk about the guy who took a bullet for America.
Yeah, two separate people in that actually came up to me.
They came up to me at the RNC.
I think I probably said it on the show, but just as, you know, anecdotally.
Two separate people.
One was in one of the media grandstands.
The other was in one of the big grandstands of people.
And he goes, you know, when your father did that, he saved a lot of lives.
I go, what are you talking about?
He saved a lot of lives.
What do you mean?
He goes, it was about to be pandemonium.
Like, people were panicking.
They were freaking out.
It was, you know, five, ten seconds after, whatever it was.
There was about to be, like, stampedes, people falling off of these things.
When he stood up, everyone just froze.
They just stopped.
Uh, and he goes, it just, the entire, it was just a dynamic shift in the moment, and uh, you know, I'm not even sure, you know, tactically it's the smart thing to, if you get up out of their shot, you know, maybe you heard return fire, but who knows if the guy's actually hit, who knows if there's a second shooter, so I don't know if tactically it was smart.
Uh, but it definitely calmed everyone down, according to at least these two people that literally came up to me and were like, that was amazing.
And I was like, yeah, it was really gutsy.
They go, no, no, no, much more than that.
You didn't, you know, we were there.
We saw it.
It was, it, everyone calmed down and it probably saved a lot of lives or injury at least.
Yeah, I mean, it was it was instinctive leadership.
And you'd never appreciate leadership so much as when there's a vacuum for it.
I mean, Joe Biden can't.
I was about to say when he was president.
Was he ever really?
Who knows?
Who he'd roam around, I think Shane Gillis calls him a human Roomba
after he finishes a speech.
And then you had a guy who got shot in the head and stood up and calmed the world.
I don't think I've ever seen anything like it.
Honestly, I hope I don't see anything like it ever again, because of how close we came
to disaster.
They want to erase that and they want people to forget about it because it showed America
what actual leadership looks like.
Yeah.
Sean, talk a little bit more about just sort of the media landscape.
I mean, you know, obviously, you know, you run the Federalist, you know, conservative, but compare 2016 or even 2020 to what we're experiencing now.
One thing I get asked all the time is, you know, you know, what's happening at places like, you know, Drudge Report, places that were at least Maybe even right-leaning, but at least sort of called it how it was.
How well-positioned are websites like The Federalist to fill some of the void that's been left by places like Drudge that just went full communist?
I'll be honest, I actually haven't read Drudge in like a decade.
I haven't.
It's been at least, you know, yeah, it's been seven, eight years for me, too, because of that.
It's like, if I want that, I can read CNN.
I don't know what it offers me anymore.
Exactly.
And I don't know who runs it anymore, but I don't find any value in it.
I will say, ten years ago, there weren't that many publications on the right willing to do the things we're doing and willing to say the things we say.
And so it can be really discouraging to look at Washington Post, CNN, New York Times, and just see how dishonest and deliberately deceitful they are, how corrupt and depraved they are.
But at the same time, I actually think we're seeing a resurgence of media on the right.
There's so many sites out there now.
You look at X, at how people act on there.
I'm actually really, really encouraged by the media environment on the right because so many people now are getting the courage To come out and say the things that need to be said, to say true things that men are men and women are women, that America is a nation with laws and borders.
10 years ago, there was like one of us.
So there's Rumble now, there's X, we've got Elon, we've got the Federalists.
So yes, the left-wing media, the corrupt legacy media is just the absolute worst.
But we have so much more options now, even in the face of this big tech censorship, that I'm actually really encouraged.
Well, Sean, I really appreciate that.
Just let everyone know where they can find you, The Federalist, etc., etc., so that they can be looking out and watching as well.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, you can find all our journalism at thefederalist.com.
Subscribe, donate, and you can find me on ex-SeanMDAV, where I own the libs daily and drive them insane, just like you do.
Yeah, well, I mean, I'll say you do have one of the better, you know, conservative Twitter handles.
I love seeing your stuff out there.
So appreciate it.
I know we also put you up a lot on MXF News, post a lot of federalist articles up there.
So yeah, definitely guys, check it out.
Sean, great having you as always.
I'm sure we'll talk a lot more between now and November 5th.
So have a good one, man.
Always a pleasure.
Thank you, sir.
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Well, guys, with that, joining me now, Trump campaign senior advisor, someone who's been there in 20 and around for a long time, the author of Swing Hard, in case you hit it, Tim Murtaugh.
Tim, good to have you back, man.
How you doing?
Doing well, Don.
Great to see you again.
Glad to be with you.
Okay, so you're back on the 2024 Trump campaign.
What are you hoping to accomplish in this final stretch?
I mean, you got sort of a rapid, you know, 75 days to get it done, to get that message against a A media that has gone so far in for Kamala Harris.
You know, they're going back and changing Google headlines.
They're going back and re-editing articles to try to create a false narrative and a false historic timeline of her accomplishments or really the lack thereof.
You know, talk about what's going on and what you hope to do to counter some of that insanity.
Well, I mean, the first goal here is, of course, we've got to win.
It's very much of a compressed timeline, as you just alluded to.
And I think the most important thing we've got to do is educate people as to just exactly who Kamala Harris is, because God knows the national news media is not going to do it.
I mean, people talk about getting a honeymoon sometimes when you're a new candidate or if you've just announced.
And you've been watching politics for a long time, Don.
I have never seen a so-called honeymoon like this, like the way that Harris is getting
from the national news media.
They are willfully, just exactly the same way they willfully ignored everything that was wrong
with Joe Biden and his infirmity and his decrepitude, they ignored that.
They are now also ignoring everything that they know about Kamala Harris.
They're actually letting her get away with hiding from them.
For the first time in history, the National Press Corps doesn't care
if a candidate for president takes questions or not.
They don't care.
They just love her so much because they are relieved to be unburdened of Joe Biden.
I think they felt they were carrying him around.
You know?
Say that again?
They're unburdened by what has been.
Yeah!
Unburdened by what has been.
And Joe Biden is now out of the way.
They can't believe it.
And there's just this ongoing, I guess I could use this word on your show, just ongoing journogasm that we have seen from coast to coast.
And they just can't get enough of saying wonderful things about Kamala Harris because she doesn't talk to them.
So they just say things on her behalf.
And we have to pierce that.
We have to educate people as to what she's all about and educate them as to remind them how great it was during the Trump years.
And if we do that, then Donald Trump should win this thing going away.
Yeah, so how do you go about doing that, right?
Obviously, you know, she says she's going to do all these things.
I think the obvious answer, and we see a little bit, but I don't think the average American necessarily asks, why haven't you done it yet?
You've been in power.
You were in charge of the border, but now you're going to fix it.
You were in charge of inflation, and now you're going to fix it.
You had the ability to do all of these things.
You did the opposite.
You cast the tie-breaking vote against all of the things you're going to do.
I mean, why would anyone actually believe she's going to do anything that goes against, A, the Democrat Party and everything they've done, stood for, voted for, you know, in lockstep with the rest of the members of the party?
Why would Americans actually believe that?
I mean, it's a powerful machine, but how do you get that message out there and how do you get it across?
Well, we just have to just hammer it non-stop, and the national news media is not going to help.
But in fact, they're going to be a barrier.
And your father and J.D.
Vance are going to have to carry the message.
He's out every single day that the Democrats will be in Chicago at their convention.
Our candidate, your dad, the President of the United States, number 45, will be out there on the campaign trail talking to everyone, talking to real voters, making sure everyone knows exactly what the truth is.
J.D.
Vance will be doing the same thing, carrying the same message.
Here at the campaign, we're going to be hammering and hammering and hammering because the national news media won't do it.
So we're going to have to force people to recognize that when Kamala Harris says that she wants to expand the child tax credit, she voted against doing that very thing when it was within the Trump tax cut package in 2017.
So when she goes out there and she lies, About what she's going to support and lies about what she always has been, we have to point out the facts.
And you know, there are some people in the news media who are a little bit fed up about this.
We have to identify who those people are, go after them, and a lot of this is going to have to be paid messaging as well.
Just getting the facts out there because we will not be able to rely on the national news media as you and I both know.
Yeah, that she voted against the child tax credit that she now espouses is a big deal.
That she says she's going to fix the border that she was in charge of but did nothing for, you know, left it abjectly open is a big deal.
That they take some of the Trump policies and the next day, you know, they add a couple dollars and then pretend like it's their own.
You know, no tax on tips.
It's sort of shocking, but for first-time voters or perhaps apathetic voters, what are the other things that Americans need to know about this Democrat party?
What's the contrast that we need to draw to affect voters who don't follow this stuff day-to-day?
I mean, that's the problem, right?
If you're an apathetic voter or you're sitting back, I'm not really sure, I guess maybe I'll vote, but you're listening to CNN in the background, You'd believe that Kamala Harris is the greatest gift to, you know, modern day politics that, you know, that ever existed.
She's, you know, basically, you know, a liberal Margaret Thatcher.
And yet, the people that are writing those same articles today, 18 months ago, were talking about her incompetence.
Yeah, and that's the problem.
If people are getting their information from CNN, and pretty much CNN only, I don't know that we are going to be able to reach people like that, if that's where they're getting all their information.
But I'll tell you what is of benefit for us, is because the Democrats, the Democrat Party, especially with Kamala Harris, but they were doing it with Joe Biden as well.
The only choice they have is to try to lie to people and convince people not to believe their own personal experiences, right?
In this case, if you're an apathetic voter or even if you are a first-time voter, you just turned 18, you still have lived through both presidencies.
You've lived through the Trump presidency and you have lived through the Biden-Harris presidency.
People have experienced the way the country was.
When Donald Trump was president, and they have experienced it when Biden is president and Harris is vice president in the Biden-Harris regime.
People know the difference in the policies.
All you have to do, I think, is appeal to people's memories because they have lived through this.
They know that we were prosperous, that our economy was good, that inflation was low, that good jobs were plentiful, that our border was secure, that the world was not on fire, that the world was largely at peace when Donald J. Trump was the 45th president when he was in office.
When Biden and Harris were at the control, the economy is in shambles.
Inflation comes out of nowhere and is suddenly sky high and ongoing.
This is the first administration in history that unsecured our border.
And of course, we know now that the world is on fire because of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' feckless leadership.
That's the way you appeal to people and say, look, we don't have to tell you anything.
Just remember what you've lived through.
And that should be a strong enough argument.
And I think that's the case we're going to be making.
So, Tim, early voting starts in Pennsylvania on September 16th.
It's not election day anymore.
It's literally election, like, season, election quarter.
What does that mean for, you know, the campaign operations, for the ground team?
I mean, you know, mid-September, I mean, it feels like, you know, that's not even in time there for, like, the October surprises.
You know, people are going to be casting ballots, and I think they should vote early, especially if you're voting for Trump.
But how does that change the game?
That sort of feels like some votes will be cast before they maybe even hear the full message.
Yeah, and look, it is a really good idea and it's a good strategy to try to bank as many votes
as you possibly can in the early going, as soon as, like you're saying,
as soon as election season opens up.
That side is gonna be doing it.
We know the Democrats are going to be doing it.
I think we got to fight fire with fire and do all the things in all of the states the way that the law allows us to do.
But that said, that you're right, boy, that just moves the whole calendar up so early.
It sort of front loads everything.
And we went through this whole argument, talk about the debate schedule back in 2020.
Of course, COVID wrecked the whole thing.
But when you have people beginning to vote in mid-September in some states, you know, heck, by the time October even rolls around, you'll have tens of millions of people across the country who will already have had the opportunity to be voting for weeks.
And so you absolutely have to get to these voters as they're in the early voting period and make sure these messages that we're talking about here, you and I, the contrast between President Trump's positive vision, his positive accomplishments, his positive record, and just the disaster of Harris and Biden, we have to make sure that people know that stuff now.
Because if they're going to be voting at their kitchen table in just a couple of weeks in Pennsylvania and other places, we need for people to know the stuff that they need to be equipped with.
Like in Pennsylvania, she doesn't support natural gas.
She doesn't support the 100,000 jobs where people work in the fracking industry in Pennsylvania.
She says she doesn't oppose it now.
Because she knows it's a huge liability for her.
But they did the same thing, Tim, in 2020.
You were there.
I know.
They all opposed it on the debate stage.
The media then asked about it.
Oh, we were just kidding.
We're not going to do it.
And then on day one, day one, like one of the first executive orders, we're going to ban the Keystone Pipeline.
So now she doesn't oppose it, but why would we believe her?
She didn't oppose it last time, and they did everything they could to shut it down.
Not just the national security that comes with that, not just the lower energy pricing that comes with that, not just the great job creation vehicle that would have been tens of thousands of good-paying, hard-working, blue-collar jobs for Americans.
and yet it was like the media was like oh yeah of course she's not gonna but like but i saw the democrat debates like she of course they were going to block it they would biden and hearst said they were going to stop it then when when it mattered in pennsylvania and at other places they pretended they didn't have to the media pretended that would be the gospel and then they did what they wanted to in the end anyway You're right.
I mean, you're exactly right.
They are going to do what they want to do.
The media is going to try to grant her these brand new positions that she's just invented for herself, like fracking is the one.
She says, hey, I no longer support a ban on fracking.
And like you're saying, the media is going to let her get away with it.
The key is, and again, this goes back to how the fact that everybody who votes in this election has lived through both of the previous presidencies.
People know that the Biden campaign said the same thing.
Less than four years ago, he said, oh, look, I'm not going to be a threat to fracking.
I'm not going to be a threat to our natural or to our fossil fuel industry.
And I'm not going to be a threat to the idea that we can produce our own energy here at home and become domestically energy independent again.
He lied.
That was all a lie by Joe Biden back then, just as it is a lie for Kamala Harris to be saying the same things now.
People have lived through this again.
Again, it's going to be on the campaign because the media is not going to help us in this.
A lot of it is going to have to be paid efforts.
And just working the grassroots and through our volunteers that are going to be in every single state.
Remind people, you've been through this before.
You remember when Trump was president.
You remember what Biden told you.
He lied.
Harris is telling the same lies.
So in a way, we have, as Joe Biden is an ally of ours, because we can point to him and say, look, Remember what he told you and remember what he did.
We have to use him as Exhibit A and say, this lady, Kamala Harris, she is exactly the same as him.
And in fact, she helped tell a lot of the same lies.
Well, and they've said that.
I mean, the press secretary said there's no light between what Kamala Harris is doing and the Biden administration.
It's the same thing.
So why should we believe it's different?
One of one of Biden's original chiefs of staff said it was talking about her incompetence.
And yet now the media makes her out to be, again, the greatest, you know, political orator in modern history.
So we have to we have to deal with that.
But we also have to make sure we get that message out.
I guess that's why I ask people like share, subscribe, make sure that people actually see this, because honestly, you know, CNN, MSDNC, they're never going to talk about the hypocrisy of these things.
They're never going to call that out.
They're just They're literally just paid spokespeople for the Democrat National Committee.
And I guess we should be used to that right now, but I don't know that everyone's still quite onto it yet.
No, and you're right.
And it is places like this.
It's your show.
It's guys like Dan Bongino.
It's outside of the mainstream media.
You're not going to get, everybody knows this, you're not going to get a fair shake from CNN.
And heck, they're not even going to tell you.
If you watch CNN, you might just suddenly, you watch the story and you might think, Oh, here's Kamala Harris.
She's fine.
She tolerates.
She thinks she's okay.
She's a supporter of fracking and natural gas in Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania is so pivotal.
CNN and the mainstream media, they know that they can't have Kamala Harris running around up there telling the truth.
About her opposition to natural gas in Pennsylvania, so they become press agents for her.
They're not going to tell people, by the way, she just reversed this position that she's always had for decades.
This is a brand new position.
They'll just say, oh, she supports natural gas, even though that's a flat-out lie.
So what you do, what Kimberly does, what all the conservative people do on Rumble, all the stuff that goes on, People really need to pay attention and not listen to Jim Acosta and Jake Tapper and the others because they are not going to tell you what's actually happening and how we got to this point.
How we got to this point is almost as important as everything that's going on today.
She's a big reason of why we are here today.
You're right.
But yeah, it's not just watching us.
You got to share it so that people see it, right?
The people that are going to be watching my show and even watching Bongino and others, oftentimes it's going to be a little bit more of that conservative echo chamber.
And so we got to make sure that independents, we got to make sure that even some liberals see it because that's how we make a difference and really move that margin.
I have a feeling most of the people, other than the trolls watching this, Voting for Trump.
But I think there's plenty of independents that if they actually heard the truth, it would sway that.
And the media is going to do whatever they can to make sure they never hear that truth.
So, that's important.
It absolutely is, and I think that there are some people that once something becomes and reaches critical mass on the conservative side of the fence, in the conservative media, sometimes they reach a boiling point and things can spill over.
There are things that she's going to have to be forced to address.
For example, this idea, you know, I never would have expected that the editorial page of the Washington Post or some of their prominent columnists on the pages of the Washington Post would ever dare come out and call into question any of the
economic proposals that Kamala Harris has made.
But because there was uproar on the right, I think they took a second look at it.
And now all the stuff that she's putting out there about price controls, she's actually
getting blowback from the left because they are so ridiculously bad, the ideas are so
bad, that it's not just the conservative media, people like you, making enough noise.
It's others notice it and go, you know, gosh, this one, I hate to say it, that we have to defend.
They actually chose country over party for once.
And Kamala Harris is that bad that the editorial page of the Washington Post says that her economic plans will be a disaster.
And that's really something.
That's really something.
Tim, you wrote a great book about your journey from addiction to the Trump campaign.
I mean, that's probably not a great place to go if you're going to get it over.
I'm just saying.
But you did it, and it seems to be working great.
So can you talk a little bit about that?
What message do you have?
For anyone watching that struggled.
Your story's an interesting one and you put yourself in a pressure cooker with all of that and made it through.
I'm sure as a lot of people deal with these issues as we see it more and more across the country these days, I think that'd be helpful to a lot of people.
Well, I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it.
Thank you, Don.
Here it is.
It's a book that I wrote.
It's called Swing Hard in Case You Hit It.
My escape from addiction and shot at redemption on the Trump campaign.
And you're right, I was communications director on the Trump 2020 campaign, now back helping again in 2024.
But in 2015, I took my last drink of alcohol and I'm over nine years sober now.
And my story, this book, Swing Hard in Case You Hit It, it traces my story that takes me from waking up in jail one day in Fairfax County, Virginia, to Flying on Air Force One with your dad less than four years later.
And it's how I made it from there.
It's how I beat the problem that I had with alcohol.
And it's also really a story about my two lives.
One, the political side, which is mostly the 2020 campaign and working for your father.
And then the other half of the story is the way I was able to beat alcohol.
And I think there's a lot of stories in there.
If you have a problem or you know somebody who's had a problem with substance abuse, maybe this will help you.
If you just like politics and want some behind-the-scenes story from the 2020 Trump campaign, then this is a book that I think you'll also like.
But I wanted to write a book that would help people the way that the books like this helped me when I was in rehab.
And so I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it.
It's called Swing Hard, in case you hit it.
By me, Tim Mertzahl, available on Amazon right now.
Well, Tim, thank you very much for everything.
I'll let you get back to work.
That's why we needed you to get that messaging out there for the campaign.
But I really appreciate you being here, guys.
Check out the book as well, especially if you know people struggling.
Or, again, if you're sort of like me and a little bit of a political junkie, it'll be—it's great.
So, Tim, thank you very much.
Look forward to seeing you in the offices soon.
All right, great.
John, Don, thank you very much, and I appreciate being back on the team.
Be well.
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