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The American Dream is on the Ballot, Interview with Sean Davis | TRIGGERED Ep.148

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Guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
Today, we have a first-time guest, Sean Davis, the CEO and co-founder of The Federalist, which does some of the best investigative reporting of anyone in the media.
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So much of that seems pending.
We feel like we're running into it every day.
So, Philip, last week reports emerged that the U.S.-Saudi petrodollar agreement expired.
I mean, I know that's a big deal, but for people who haven't been paying attention for the last 50 years as to just how important that is as it relates to our borrowing power, all the ridiculous spending that we have, this changes the game a lot.
Can you explain what this is?
Yeah, you're absolutely correct.
So, reports have been circulated that, you know,
There's
You know, this is an agreement that dates back to the 1970s, essentially in exchange for military equipment and training.
The Saudis would agree to sell oil exclusively in U.S.
dollars and really has been the cornerstone of dollar supremacy since Bretton Woods, and it's how we've been able to maintain our global reserve currency.
The Saudis are showing increasing willingness now
to go.
Yeah.
I mean, if the reports are in fact accurate, how would an official end to the petrodollar monopoly affect the U.S.?
I mean, clearly it would, you know, I mean, it may be good.
I mean, there may be things that, hey, we're no longer going to be able to sell, you know, $50 billion for, you know, transgender awareness in Pakistan and some of the ridiculous stuff that we do.
But, you know, in all seriousness, it feels like it could create a lot of other problems, given the $34 trillion outstanding we have debt-wise.
You are absolutely correct.
It certainly could.
You're right, it'll be a curb on obscene government spending, which would be the only sort of silver lining, if you will.
Across the board, it would have sweeping effects.
First of all, Saudi Arabia would need a new security partner.
We know China has been waiting in the wings for years for the opportunity, and we'd lose essentially our most reliable Arab ally, and I think it would put Israel in some trouble.
Secondly, nations that need dollars to buy oil won't need those dollars to buy oil anymore.
Japan, for example, the words
We're good to go.
I mean, it really feels like that could be the end of the dollar as a global reserve currency.
I mean, I guess then it just opens up the door for everything else.
You know, I think it could be the beginning of the end, right?
Things like this, they're not earthquakes.
They tend to happen more at a glacial pace.
But looking at the events over the last four years, right?
We've seen global dollar reserves by central banks hit 25-year lows.
We've seen under Biden the unprecedented weaponization of the dollar, which has made it less attractive to foreign nations.
And let's not forget, in the less than four years he's been in office,
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, how do those sort of geopolitical developments just affect everyday Americans, right?
You say, oh, well, that's only going to affect, you know, those who are borrowing.
I don't know.
It seems to certainly have inflationary problems.
It seems to create a lot of devaluation of your existing assets.
I mean, you know, what else would affect, you know, everyday Americans?
Look, you're absolutely right.
And we talk about this very much big picture.
We've talked about central banks and currency decline.
But what we have to realize is what applies to them applies to us, right?
They feel dollar devaluation in the form of devaluation.
We feel it domestically as inflation.
And look at what these banks are doing to protect.
2022, 2023, now first quarter of 24, have been the single biggest years for gold buying in central bank history.
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Thank you very much, man.
We'll continue to follow all of this, because we're not going to have a choice, unfortunately.
Thank you so much for having me, as always.
And I guess with that, joining me now, the co-founder of The Federalist, Sean Davis.
By the way, one of the great Twitter feeds of the entire platform.
Definitely check him out there as well.
Certainly one of the more aggressive ones, so we appreciate that.
We need some fighters, but Sean...
How should Republicans be responding right now to the left's lawfare, right?
We see that all over the place.
We saw it, obviously, with my father.
But, you know, they've gone after other friends of ours, you know, Sean Parnell.
They do this thing and they've really sort of exposed their underbelly of just how far they're willing to weaponize our own system of government and law against their own citizens.
What can we do to stop this nonsense once and for all?
It's a great question.
I'm so glad you asked it.
I think Republicans need to be responding with maximum aggression.
OK, so the left only understands power and they only understand consequences.
And up until now, Republicans have typically written a mean letter or they've said something that sounds... Strong tweet to follow.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then they do absolutely nothing.
And I actually look to the Cold War for the example of how you win this war with lawfare.
So during the Cold War, we had so many nukes and the Soviet Union had so many nukes that both sides understood that if they were to launch one first, they would be destroyed before that one even hit the ground.
Mutual assured destruction, right?
Yep.
And that understanding that you would be eliminated from the earth if you were the first aggressor, that made it so that nobody used them.
And that was a good thing.
And we need to do that with lawfare.
The left needs to understand that if they come after us, they're going to have the exact same rules that they used against us shoved down their own throats.
So I wish we weren't there.
I wish we could go back to this world where we had rule of law and we had a single standard and we had actual justice.
We're not in that world now.
So if we want to get back to that, the left has to face their own rules good and hard until they surrender.
And until that happens, they're not going to give up.
Okay, so for, you know, for people watching the show, obviously, you know, everyone sort of, I think we all agree, we understand that.
I use the analogy of, you know, we've been playing t-ball while they play hardball and laugh their ass off every time they get a win.
I agree with the strategy 100%.
How do we get Republicans in Washington, D.C.
to actually do that, right?
Because you're right, we aren't playing the same game.
That's the only tactic that will work once they start getting a taste of their own medicine.
But...
Republicans in D.C., with the exception of a very small number, are simply unwilling to play that game.
How do we get them there?
How do we get them actually doing that?
Because I think the people are there.
I think everyone understands it.
But Washington, D.C.
Republicans are feckless and they have not been doing that.
It doesn't look like they're changing their minds on it anytime soon either.
Yeah, I think there's two things we can do there.
The first is, these people need to understand that they serve at our pleasure, and they work for us.
And if they're not going to work for us, and they're not going to do the things that we need them to do, they're not going to work there.
So, I think it needs to be made clear to them, you do your jobs, or you're going to have a different job, and we're going to send you packing.
Now, as a movement, I think we've been
Pretty bad at that.
And it's hard to fault people who only care about the next election for not doing things that we think they should because they don't pay any consequences for them.
So number one, there need to be political consequences for Republicans in Washington acting like a bunch of spineless neutered eunuchs.
Number two, I actually don't think the action has to come from Washington.
We have 50 other states.
We've got a bunch of those controlled by good, strong governors and good attorneys general.
And if you look at what they're doing to President Trump, they're not just doing it from the federal government, from a corrupt DOJ.
They're doing it to him in Georgia.
They're doing it to him in these completely corrupt New York City courts.
There is zero reason on earth why Republican DAs who love this country shouldn't be doing that at the local level in Florida or Tennessee or Texas or Idaho or Oklahoma.
Democrats should be facing this onslaught in every state the same way they're doing to our own people.
And until they feel that pain, until their own people start getting hauled in and indicted, they're not going to stop.
Yeah, so I had this conversation with Charlie Kirk last week, and it was that, which is sort of interesting, like, you still don't see that kind of action either.
Even, and frankly, you actually see less action in arguably the most conservative states.
It's almost like, you know, the places that you think, you know, have the biggest conservative voting blocs actually end up with a lot of the, let's call it the mushiest, you know, sort of rhino conservative leaders, and I don't know if it's just the Democrats
Run as conservatives because they know they can't win as Democrats.
I don't know if Democrat voters just sort of vote for the weakest Republican, and as long as he gets a couple points of the Republican side of it as well, you know, they get into these positions.
But yet, you haven't seen that kind of response yet in those states where, frankly, it would be looked upon much more favorably by the constituency than in Washington, D.C., where it would actually take a little bit of balls.
At the state level, it's still not happening too much either.
Yeah, and we've got to change that.
And I think one of the issues we have on the right in the conservative movement is while the left was busy taking over institutions and building an army of foot soldiers and taking over DA's offices, our side was content to just run political ads and say, hey, we took over Congress and we got this many governor seats.
We're good.
The left understands how to attain and wield power, and I think it's finally dawning on the right that the game that it's been playing for the last 20 years is a losing game.
So hopefully now, there may not be an immediate solution right at this very moment,
But it feels to me like people are waking up to the nature of the battle that we're facing, and that's going to require a different type of politics.
We've got to be doing more than just throwing money at ads every other year, every four years.
We need to be going and building institutions at the ground level to take the fight to the left.
How do we start that process?
You're right.
For as bad as their policies are, for how flagrantly they failed everything, not just our country under Joe Biden, but if you look at the policies of so many of the inner cities of this country, and yet they
They have a very loyal voting bloc that blindly keeps voting for them and will continue to do that.
I think we're making some inroads there these days only because the failure is so bad.
It's difficult for even them to hide it and it's difficult for their lackeys in the media to cover it up because people are not going to not believe what they see every day with their own eyes as they live their lives.
But how do we take that on?
Because again, I don't think it's going to come from Washington.
How do people
Get behind enough of a group that you get enough critical mass to actually effectuate real change.
Yeah, so I actually think you have to start with media.
Now, obviously, I'm a little biased.
I run a media organization.
But the left has been able to do a lot of what it's done through its control of the media.
You know, we call television shows, we don't even think about it, we call them programs.
And why do we do that?
Because we're being programmed.
The left understands the value of media.
I think the right is just starting to understand it.
We don't need to have the New York Times and CNN and MSNBC and the Washington Post.
We really just need a handful of people that are staffed up and funded up that they can take the air war to the left.
That's what we've done at the Federalist.
We wake up every morning, we look at the narratives that are out there.
And we see, you know, what are the leftist narratives that need to be destroyed?
And what are the narratives on the right that need to be pushed?
Because it takes that over time.
You have to convince people.
You have to make them understand the nature of the battle.
And like I said, it's bigger than just spending money on ads to win an election every now and again.
We need permanent, constant air war coming from our side.
And I think that starts with building up our own well-funded media infrastructure to take it to the left.
Yeah, I think you're 100% right.
I talk about it on this show.
Like, hey, like, share, this kind of programming.
I know I retweet a lot of your stuff, or comment on it, or the Federalist articles.
Getting that, getting everyone in there.
Don't just take the gospel of the New York Times, or the CNN version of the story, which is...
Usually just, frankly, a lie.
I'd like to hear more about your story starting The Federalist.
I think it's one of the great sort of conservative outlets out there.
Your story in the media and the trajectory of where you think the news business goes over the next five or ten years, because I think you're right.
I do think that's a weak point that's very easy for us to attack because you can demonstrably show
How they've not just been manipulating people, they've just been outright lying.
Again, people understand that.
They see that.
Credibility is at an all-time low.
How do you start this?
How do you continue?
And where do we go from there?
Yeah, thank you for the kind words.
We started The Fetter List a little over 10 years ago.
And we started it because we looked at the right-wing media and we looked around and everything was focused on Washington.
Everyone lived in Washington.
Everyone worked in Washington.
They were bombarded with what Washington wanted them to think.
And then what they did is they translated that to their readers and their subscribers.
It was, hey, everybody out in real America doing real jobs.
We're good to go.
The majority of our staff, we're not in Washington.
The overwhelming majority of our writers, we have thousands of them, are spread around the country.
These are people with normal jobs, normal family lives.
They have skills and experiences that people in Washington simply can't understand.
And that gives them perspectives that everyone in Washington needs to hear.
And that was kind of the secret sauce of why I think The Federalist has worked, is that we don't really care what Washington wants you to think, and we don't really care what they're up to.
We care about them getting through their thick skulls, what the American people need them to hear.
Yeah, so I'd ask, just following up, I mean, do Democrats actually care right now if they destroy our country?
I mean, I look at every policy, whether it's immigration or otherwise, I mean, even those on, like, those people that are frankly on the left, you saw that skit probably, you know, Louis C.K.
talking about, no, they want unfettered immigration because they think Americans, like, deserve to be punished for having been successful.
I mean, it is
We're good to go.
What is that mindset?
How do you overcome that?
How do you get those sort of reasonable people, those blue-collar Democrats, to understand that, you know, the party that represents them in Washington, D.C.
has left them and is literally almost cheering for, you know, our nation's demise at this point?
Yeah, it kind of feels like we're watching the Hunger Games.
You know, they had all the ridiculous people in the Capitol doing ridiculous things and living lives totally divorced from the reality of what everyone else is facing.
That's what politics and that's what Democrats look like right now.
Look, they're not on the border.
They don't have to deal with the crime.
They're in gated communities.
They have lots of money.
Their kids are in private school.
They didn't really face any of the consequences of their COVID insanity and their lockdown nonsense.
So they're not actually having to feel the pain of their own policies, because they built these little enclaves around them.
And to your question of whether I think they'll destroy the country to keep power, absolutely they will.
They remind me of those weirdos we probably knew in high school or college, and somebody would break up with them, and they'd say,
If I can't have that person, no one can.
And you'd be like, wow, that's kind of like psycho talk there.
That's how Democrats seem to feel about the country is all they want is power.
All they want is our submission.
And if they have to destroy the country to get to that point, they're fine with it because they don't actually care about the country.
They care about their own power and wealth.
Yeah, I mean, I'm watching.
I know in the past week, eight illegal immigrants were arrested for ISIS ties.
I mean, they're tied to terrorist organizations.
They came across our Swiss cheese border with no resistance.
One illegal immigrant was arrested for rape.
Another illegal immigrant arrested for murder.
And Joe Biden's response is to get up on a world stage and give amnesty.
Just outright, just, hey, no problem here.
Millions of illegal immigrants.
What does it tell you about, you know, what's going on there?
I mean, there have to be... I know it's not a popular issue across the country.
When does the sort of disjointment of Democrat policy in DC actually start getting Democrats across the country to realize, you know, they've been left behind, that this isn't what they want?
And is there ever a bridge too far
With the radical policies of Washington, D.C.
Democrats and Democrat voters in America, where they say, OK, enough is enough.
I'm done.
Yeah, that's a really important question.
And I think the bigger question is, does sentiment about our politicians even matter anymore?
Does it matter what people actually want?
Does it matter how they go and vote?
I think the Democrats want the answer to that to be no.
So they've got some ideological reasons why they're opening the border.
They think borders are racist and they're just intrinsically bad and therefore they shouldn't exist.
But there's also a political motive there.
They clearly want to bring in a bunch of people, legalize them, hand the ballots, and then let them vote.
And so it's almost like they're doing a two-front war on the American Republic.
They're trying to destroy the rule of law and flood us with a bunch of people who don't understand our culture, are not interested in assimilating, don't care about our laws, and then they want them to actually go and vote as well to replace or to subsume the votes.
Of citizens who do care about the long-term health of that country.
So I think what they're doing, it's not just about bringing in a whole bunch of people to remake the country in their own image.
I think a lot of it is about trying to rig another election by sending ballots to people who aren't legally entitled to them so that they don't actually have to be accountable to the desires of the people who they're supposed to work for.
They want to engineer their own election results.
Yeah, I think you actually did something in the Federalist.
I saw one of the articles or one of your writers did something about it.
I sort of bookmarked it to read later because I've had a crazy week, but isn't there some legislation out there right now?
They're trying to make it like, hey, it's okay to vote if you think.
You're a citizen.
You don't have to be a citizen, but if you think you're a citizen, it's like, that's good enough for us.
I mean, they're conveniently doing that.
I mean, I guess that's their COVID election response for 2024.
That or World War III, I guess.
But they're certainly trying to do something to weaponize that vote.
Because, I mean, they're saying that with a straight face.
It's like, no, no, no.
It's not going to be illegal if you thought it wasn't illegal.
Even if you do it, we're certainly going to count those ballots.
I mean, I think I saw that in one of your guys' pieces, and I'm like,
Wait, say it again?
You're saying that out loud?
Really?
I understand maybe that's their motivation.
I understand maybe that they'd love to have that, but they're trying to pass a law to make that so.
It seems to fly in the face of everything our legal system, our immigration system, everything stands for.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And, you know, we'll publish articles saying, hey, illegal immigrants are being given ballots at these processing centers when they're coming in.
And the fake news media will fact check and say, excuse me, actually, you're not allowed to vote if you're illegal.
Well, yeah, that's great.
You know, the analogy I use is you're not allowed to speed either.
But this voting regime they have set up basically says it would be the equivalent of saying you're not allowed to speed, but we're going to ban any law enforcement from using any speed detection on you.
Because that's the actual effect of voting law now.
They say if you're an illegal you can't vote, but they ban states from asking any questions about whether someone is legal or whether they're a citizen before they vote.
They clearly want people who are not allowed to vote to be voting.
And it's why they're blocking completely common-sense proposals in Congress to do things like, I don't know, require citizenship verification before you vote.
Allow states to ask whether you're legally allowed to vote.
The fact that they don't want to do that tells me that they want to make it easy to cheat so that it will be easy to steal the election.
Yeah.
Notice the fact check wasn't, uh, yes, they are in fact giving them ballots.
It's like, well, you're not allowed to vote.
So like, why are they giving them ballots?
Like, please explain it to me.
I, and it's amazing when you talk about those sort of common sense sort of, uh, you know, voting requirements.
I was in Europe last week.
And I mean, even these leftist countries are like, what do you mean you don't have ID?
Like, how are you supposed to tell?
Like, literally, the Bolsheviks are, like, shocked at how ridiculous the rules are here.
The mental gymnastics that is required to try to justify why this would be so.
And yet, I guess they're still doing it.
They're more than content to take that win.
They're saying it out loud.
They're not going to stop.
Yeah, they don't care.
I mean, they, for years, tried to make it so you or I couldn't go to a restaurant unless we had a particular ID that said we had gotten the right shots that they wanted us to have.
They didn't want you to be able to go to the doctor without an ID.
But suddenly, if you say, hey, maybe you should have to have an ID to vote for the most powerful person on Earth who has the nuclear codes, oh, well, that's racist.
You can't demand that.
Saying voter ID is racist is itself racist.
Everyone has figured out how to get an ID in this country.
It's not really hard because you can't live without an ID.
And yet that's the one thing they don't want you to have to show in order to make one of the most important decisions you'll ever make, which is voting.
Yeah, and talk perhaps a little bit about the disparate treatment, frankly, between Americans, actual American citizens, and the illegals coming through.
I mean, it feels like I would not be able to do the things that the illegals are able to.
I'm not given the same things.
We are actually, it feels like, as American citizens, compared to what they're clearly and just flagrantly doing for all the illegals,
We're second class citizens in our own country.
And I'm hoping that certain, and maybe this is why, maybe some demographics are figuring that out, which is why they have to import more to make up for that, the loss of reliable Democrat voters.
But I mean, it's very clearly that's happening as well.
Whether it's the, here's $10,000 and here's free rent and forever.
And I'm like.
We don't, there's American veterans, there's Americans with, you know, mental issues.
They're not afforded these same freedoms and benefits, yet they get to pay for them in their tax bill very clearly.
Yeah, it's enraging.
It's almost worse than being a second-class citizen.
It's not just that it feels like we have less rights or fewer benefits.
We're effectively being robbed to pay for all of it.
You have the privilege of paying for your own stuff, plus giving them a lot more, but they're not paying anything into the system, ever.
Yeah, I basically can't afford to go spend a week in a nice hotel in New York, and yet they're taking my tax dollars, which I work really hard for, stuff that should be used for my family, are going to house and give benefits to people who are here illegally, who should have been turned around right at the door.
I don't begrudge people wanting to come to America.
It's the greatest country in history.
It's awesome.
It's the land of opportunity.
But you got to do it legally.
And it's not that hard to do legally.
You know, you just have to follow the rules.
And, you know, it's enraging to see the amount of gaslighting that's going on to be told that we're bad or evil or racist because we want people to follow the rules and follow the laws in order to share in this awesome country that we're in.
Yeah.
I'd love to get your opinion just talking a little bit about sort of putting a larger conservative footprint in American culture.
I think, you know, apathy from the conservative side.
Hey, we're building businesses.
We're doing this.
We're not going to get on our school board.
We're not going to get involved.
I mean, you know, how do we change that?
Do we get, you know, is there a need for more conservative screenwriters so that, you know, maybe talking about pop culture or, you know, the programming on television, you know, maybe every dad in every show isn't, you know, a big,
You know, Dolt isn't seen as a loser.
The mother's in charge.
I mean, is that doable?
Do we have to have more conservative actors and musicians?
How do you take back some of that cultural component that they've sort of ceded and the other side has weaponized against the entirety of the nation, not just one-sided viewership?
Yeah, it's a hard problem because I think one reason the left is so fanatical and so energetic about all this, about taking everything over and remaking humanity in their own image, this is effectively their religion.
This is how they're sanctified.
This is how they atone for their sins is through this political activism.
The right doesn't have that.
We have actual religion.
We know who made us.
We know whose image we're made in and what's important.
It's hard, I think, for us to ever get that same level of fire and fervor because politics is not religion to us.
But what I think we're finding on the right is this idea that, oh, maybe if we win some elections, we'll just be left alone.
We're not going to be left alone.
And I think that ship has sailed.
Yeah.
And I think it's an important ship to sail because people now realize that that's not a fiction they can rely on anymore.
They can't have this kind of faux sense of non-involvement.
Well, I just want to be left alone.
I don't want to tell people how to live their lives.
Well, I've got bad news for you.
They're going to tell you how to live your life.
And I think a lot of people in business, especially, are finally realizing this, that live and let live is not the status quo anymore.
I would like to get back to that.
I would very much like to get back to that.
No, I'd love it.
Yeah.
Just being able to do their own thing.
But we're not going to get back to that until we win and they lose.
And in order for us to win, our side has to be fully mobilized.
And I think the direction we're heading now is something akin to a parallel economy.
I think it's why we're on rumble.
You know, the left has decided, we don't want you on our channels.
We don't want you in our media.
When we go and try and start our own, they try to shut that down as well.
We're currently suing the State Department for censoring us illegally as individuals and as a press organization.
I think we're going to need to start building parallel economies in finance and banking, in media, in culture, in academia.
That may be the only way through this at this point.
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
I mean, I see it every day.
I've sort of been trying to lead some of those culture wars on the business side.
You know, they always say, hey, if you don't like it, build your own.
So like, you know, I've done it.
You know, my news app, I know we push a lot of your stuff.
MXM News, I use for, I was debanked by PNC Bank.
And I'm not doing anything.
I'm not even creating news for, like, I'm aggregating other news.
I'm just making sure you see the New York Times with the Federalist.
Not just the New York Times on, you know, the first 65 pages or CNN of a Google search.
And then, yeah, the Federalist be on page 9,476.
And if you had nothing to do for the next nine and a half years, maybe you'd find the article.
We got to do that.
But you're right.
You know, I didn't think of Hollywood necessarily as one of those deities to be worshipped by the left.
I always thought, you know, it's
You know, Greta Thunberg is the High Priestess of Climate Change, and Anthony Fauci is the Lord God of COVID, and then, you know, it became, you know, Zelensky with a short hiatus for George Floyd, and, like, it's an ever-evolving deity, and I guess it's all part of the same problem, and I'd wonder, you know, is legacy media even on the right?
Partly to blame for some of these things.
I mean, have they failed us too?
You know, I noticed, you know, I guess I call out people on the board of Fox News because they're rhinos and they suck, and you know, so I'm no longer on Fox News.
I haven't been on in two years.
Have they failed us too, succumbing to the pressures of what's out there?
Well, honestly, I think every institution on the right has failed.
I don't know how you get to the point where we are with people on the right getting shut down, with our government censoring us, with people being thrown in prison for their politics.
I don't think you can get to that point without systematic failure across the board.
I think we fail to understand the threat of the left.
We fail to understand the importance of media.
I look at the major institutions in American life.
We've got government.
It's important.
We've got academia.
We've got media, we've got Hollywood, we've got military, we've got sports, and we've probably got entertainment.
That's it.
Those probably comprise, you throw in the church there, probably 99% of institutions that shape our daily lives.
The left is infiltrating every single one.
At this point, the only one that might still be marginally intact is the church.
The church seems to be doing a pretty good job of fighting off the leftist onslaught.
Even some of that stuff I'm seeing, though, you know, the Trans Day of Awareness on Easter, and they're celebrating it.
Like, oh, this is great.
What could go wrong?
You know, man, I feel like when you're losing the church as well, not across the board, I mean, there's many great, but you see the left making even strong inroads there.
That's truly scary.
It is, and they're able to do that.
It's almost like a pincer movement in the military.
Once you control the ground here, and you control the ground there, you just start bringing in your troops, and you encircle them, and you eventually strangle them.
That's what they've done with their control, and it didn't happen overnight.
The left worked on this.
They call it the march through institutions.
They've been working on this for decades, and we're not going to get caught up overnight, but we're certainly not going to get caught up by thinking, oh, we can just, you know, stroll through the forest and pick daisies and la la la, it'll all pass and we'll all be fine.
That's a fairy tale.
Our side has to get absolutely serious about taking back these institutions or building up our own to where they're more powerful than what the left has and then using ours to crush theirs.
That's just the reality.
It's hard and it's frustrating to hear that.
I think it's a heck of a lot better than going down the road that we're on now because we're being taken straight over a cliff.
I joke, like, they're like, Don, why do you fight so hard?
I'm like, hey, because I'm one of the first people they're bringing to the Gulag, so we got no choice, you know, and we talk about the sponsors of the show, you know, you know, go to Public Square, you know, shop there rather than Amazon.
Like, at least you have your money go to someone that shares your values, or you take the easy way out.
So, like, we are
I do feel confident in the sense I see people out there building up these sort of alternate parallel economies, parallel institutions.
We just got to be all in actually supporting the guys doing those things so that we can actually make a dent.
If we take the easy way out, if we follow the apathy, if we don't cut off the dollars that are going to literally fund and weaponize every institution of this country against
Good patriotic Americans, like, we have no chance.
So, you know, it feels good that there's finally people out there actually doing that, but the other side has such a huge head start that it's scary.
It is.
But the thing is, I feel like I'm going down the black pill path here.
That's not how I feel.
I think we're making huge progress.
And in fact, oddly enough, their desperation to censor us and come after us is proof that what we're doing is working.
If what we're doing didn't matter, if the journalism we're doing, if your podcast, if it didn't matter, they wouldn't constantly try to be
Yeah.
They're a cornered animal right now, and I think they know it.
I think they sense it.
We just have to keep up the pressure and keep fighting, because I think we're making progress.
And I'll tell you, I look at the right today, and I compare it to 20 years ago.
I mean, we're like a fighting machine right now.
It's awesome.
People understand the battle.
They understand the nature.
They understand the stakes.
They're willing to fight for it.
I think we're in a great position right now, but we just got to keep the pedal to the metal and keep fighting.
Yeah, and they're pushing the lies so badly.
You mentioned deep fakes.
It was sort of interesting.
I know last week, they did one of me.
Like, my dad came off a speech.
He spoke for 90 minutes in front of, you know, what was like 17,000 people.
And I basically gave him like a fist bump.
He slapped my hand, high five.
They freeze-framed the picture that it looked like I was holding his hand, guiding him down this walkway.
And even like, you know, Kayfile, one of these layers, like, listen, guys, like, we're trying hard to make Trump seem like Joe Biden, who we watch every day.
They say it's a deepfake when you put live video of him falling asleep or falling off a stage or falling on his ass or just getting lost.
You know, like, they're not deepfakes.
Like, there's nothing deepfake about a live video that's real, put out by a leftist institution showing this incompetence.
But then they try to counter it by being like, look, Trump,
Don Jr.
is holding his hand, walking him off the stage.
It was literally like a high-five as he's walking, he's waving to the crowd.
Even the left is like jumping on it, like, guys, we're trying too hard here.
We can't create this.
I'll try to clip that in there, because it was literally ridiculous.
The picture that they ran, and then you show the video, and in like three seconds, you see, like, it was a moment of contact where hands met, and they just freeze that, like, that's the image, that's the narrative, even though it had nothing to do with reality.
Yeah, it's actually one of the more absurd examples of gaslighting I've ever seen.
It reminds me of Baghdad, Bob, during the war in Iraq where there's tanks rolling behind him.
He's like, there's no tanks in Baghdad.
There's no tanks in Baghdad.
Yeah.
It's a mostly peaceful protest.
Like bricks are flying, buildings are on fire in the background.
Other than that, it's mostly peaceful.
It's like, yeah, you guys are trying.
Well,
Fire from the left and answering it.
He just press conferences all the time.
And then Joe Biden's just like gnawing on his tongue half the time, trying to figure out who he is and where he is.
This idea that somehow they're equivalent because they're roughly the same age.
I find it actually hilarious because it's so embarrassing.
The idea that these two are somehow mentally equal in the health department, it's it's laughable.
And yet like they got their marching orders from the White House and they're on it.
This cheap fake stuff, this video of Biden getting let off the stage by Obama, they're out there trying to say it was fake.
It was their own video!
It's real!
You saw it!
You aired it live, you morons!
Like, what are you talking about?
Like, yeah.
But, well, that's the point, though.
There's nothing they won't do, right?
I used to, you know, 20 years ago, you would ask me, I'd be like, hey, listen.
They're only going to do so much to manipulate the election because they know that, you know, a key tenant of people believing in the democracy that they talk about is like a, it's a, you know, it's a running joke, right?
They use it, oh, we're preserving democracy.
Like, we're going to, we're going to jail all our political opposition to preserve democracy or something.
But, you know, they talk about it in these jokes and yet,
What they do each and every day is such an affront on that democracy.
But there was a time I said, you know what, there's only so much they can do to roll Joe Biden over a finish line, because a key tenet of that democracy is people actually believing there's a chance that it was real, right?
I mean, if no one believes it, it's sort of over, right?
But if you told me today that they said on November 6th, they said, Joe Biden got 450 million votes.
I'd be like, they would run with that.
Like in a country of 300, you know, let's call it 330 million people.
They'd be like, yeah, we got 450.
It's unprecedented.
He's that good.
I think they would sell that.
I think big tech would be like, anyone who says this is spreading disinformation.
It was the safest and securest election in American history or world history.
Is there any shame left?
Do they care that people no longer even trust the fundamental tenet of democracy in America because of their actions?
No, there's no shame at all.
They don't care.
All they want is power.
That's all they care about.
And for me, I think the ship sailed when they started trying to tell us that, like, boys can get pregnant, boys can become girls.
And then, like, I have to say this totally, like, hideously disfigured freak is, like, beautiful and stunning, brave and not disgusting.
Like, if they're going to lie to you about that, they'll lie to you about literally anything, including an election or a war or how our laws work.
Like, they will say and do anything to keep power.
Yeah.
Lizzo on the cover of like Fitness Magazine, I think it was like one of those, I'm like, this is the new healthy.
I'm like, I don't know, man.
If that's the science, I no longer trust the science, folks, because give me a break.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm just a skinny pale dude, but yeah, I don't think that's healthy.
Yeah.
So, you know, I mentioned earlier, you know, Vladimir Zelinsky is what, you know, the high priest of, you know, I guess Ukraine, which is a new religion of the left, but what
What role do you think, Sean, does the endless war machine play in all of this insanity?
It seems like such an unpopular thing for Americans across the country.
I survey every large group I speak in front of all over the place.
I mean, I think I've tallied it up now.
It's off the top of my head, like 65,000 people, and basically
Three people.
One guy was a warmonger, like from DC, probably profited off the wars.
One guy happened to be born in Kiev, Ukraine.
And one guy misunderstood the question.
He thought it was a double negative, so he actually wasn't for it.
So two people of 65,000 thought that Ukraine war was a top 10 issue.
Not a top 3 issue.
No one said that.
But a top 10 issue.
And yet...
Uh, you know, you see Mitch McConnell, it's the number one issue for Republicans across the country.
You know, how much does the war machine play into all of this insanity, and how do we put an end to that?
No, I think it's huge.
And I go back and look at the 2016 election results and how angry the left was that Trump won.
And not nearly enough attention has been paid to what the real cause of that is.
There's two.
One, he beat Hillary.
That's the unforgivable.
It was her turn, Sean!
But also, it's this foreign policy of returning to a sane, Jacksonian foreign policy, where it's peace through strength, not peace through constant war, that you need to have a strong foreign policy to make people understand that you don't mess with the U.S., but beyond that, we're not the world's policeman.
That is a devastating proposition to people who make trillions and trillions of dollars on the war machine.
And you know, if somebody had told me that 25 years ago, I would say, yeah, I don't know about that.
That seems a little crazy.
But I've been alive for the last 25 years.
I saw what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.
They ended Afghanistan and then immediately replaced it with a new war.
Just like doing the ball under the cup trick that they do at the circus.
We had like a two-week hiatus.
We're like, we got a break for two weeks, but okay, we got to go make some money.
It's like Big War watched Big Pharma get rich during COVID.
We're like, okay guys, we got to get back at the trough.
Let's get in there.
And wouldn't you know, it's costing like the exact same as the Afghanistan war did.
What a coincidence.
So I think the war machine, the surveillance machine, the security state, I think they are all wound up together.
I think they've all been doing a ton of shenanigans in Ukraine.
For a decade or more, starting with the Newland-led Maidan revolution there.
I think there are a lot of skeletons in closets there.
I think there's a whole bunch of nonsense that they're terrified of being found out because they were using NATO as their base of operations for all kinds of stuff that the people didn't know about and certainly didn't approve of.
And they're terrified of getting found out.
So that's number one.
And then number two, the 2016 election broke the brains of the left.
Yes.
And what they're doing in Ukraine now actually scratches two itches for them.
They get to hate on Russia more and blame Putin for Hillary sucking and they get to keep propping up the military surveillance industrial complex.
So I think it is a huge, huge problem and it needs to be neutered ASAP because we can't have a bunch of unelected bureaucrats, unelected spies,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's interesting.
I mean, it sort of feels like that's why the vitriol, the attack is so much against Trump.
It's why you see even, again, the Republicans.
No, no, no, we got to make sure we fund the war for at least six more years.
I'm like, well, like, no one's even articulated to me, like, what does victory look like?
I've not seen that yet.
I feel like I kind of do this for a living at this point.
Like, I have no idea.
What victory looks like.
I guess it's just the genocide of every male in Russia and possibly all the women, too.
And I guess, you know, Black Rock can come in there and take over all the farmland and, you know, control the world's food supply.
You know, a couple years ago, that would have been conspiratorial.
Today, that's like probably 100% what they're trying to do.
It does seem scary that you see even the Republicans in D.C.
trying to make it almost impossible for Trump to achieve peace.
You know, take off all the tools that he could use to actually achieve peace deals like he did in the Middle East and elsewhere.
They're trying to take those tools off the table so that they can ensure that they can get through these four years so they can just keep it going in perpetuity, it seems.
Yeah, well it tells you everything you need to know about the regime, that the greatest threat to them is peace.
Yeah, no, well, there's no money in peace, right?
There's only money in war, so I guess they gotta perpetuate it, but, you know, eventually you run out of money, right?
It feels like, it's not like America's succeeding in, you know, economically or otherwise.
I mean, Bidenomics has not exactly been what the media has told us it's been, and we know that because we hear people talk about that, not Republicans or Democrats, but everyday citizens in every walk of life, in every aspect of their day.
They understand these policies are failing, and yet,
It doesn't stop us from sending another $50 billion on top of the $160 billion just last week.
Yeah, and it's not to say that foreign policy and fighting tyranny are unimportant.
I don't like tyrants.
I don't like them when they're in my country or when they're in Russia or when they're in China.
But you've got to, like, prioritize your problems.
And if my house is crumbling, if the electricity doesn't work, if the pipes are leaking, if my fences are down, if there's crime everywhere, maybe I should be focused on fixing my own house and not sending all of my money to go fix a neighborhood that's a thousand miles away.
That seems to me to be foolish and yet that's exactly what we're doing and we're being lectured by these idiots that because we care about our country more and our people more that that somehow makes us bad.
It's insane.
Yeah, like the analogy I always use is sort of like, you know, every time you get on an airplane, and these days that's getting more and more precarious because of, you know, DEI practices and, you know, Boeing offshoring engineering to people who perhaps aren't even engineers.
I don't know what the hell they're doing, but, you know, you're reading about doors and wheels falling off planes in flight.
So, but every time you get on a plane, it's like, hey, put your mask on before helping those around you.
We're doing the opposite so that you succumb to the fumes or whatever it may be before you could ever actually effectuate any real change, but we continue to do that.
It doesn't seem to be working and nothing's changing.
Yeah, and it's so frustrating.
And you see why, you know, they talk so much about our election and the sanctity of our democracy.
They don't give a crap about actual elections and actual democracy.
It's a soundbite.
Yeah, it sounds great.
But they like, they laugh about it.
That like, like guys like me and you actually like, yeah, I believe in that stuff.
I want it, I want it to be real.
My problem is I no longer am fighting to preserve that because I don't actually think it exists.
I'm fighting to make it so.
I'm fighting to make what I believed America to be
B. I feel like that's been bastardized and taken advantage of for so long, probably, you know, many decades.
It was only sort of, you know, whether it's Trump or, you know, the phenomenon known as Trump Derangement Syndrome that finally got these guys to say the quiet parts out loud and start, you know, exposing just what they've been doing all along.
Yeah, to them, our democracy just means our power.
That's all it means.
They come up with different words at different times.
And the thing you have to understand about leftists is they approach language differently than we do.
So to you and me, words have fixed meanings.
We know what they mean.
We can spell them.
There's an understanding between us that when we use certain words, we're communicating certain things.
To the left, words are just weapons, and they will use whatever weapon they need to use right now to crush you and to get power.
And if those weapons include manipulating language, and lying, and censoring, and imprisoning their opponents, they'll do it.
They don't care.
And while they're doing it, they'll tell you that, oh yeah, we actually love the rule of law, and we love real, accurate voting, and we hate censorship, and you're the actual fascist.
I mean, the gaslighting from the left,
In every facet of our lives, it's like they read 1984 by George Orwell and they thought, this is a pretty good instruction manual.
Yeah, I can work with this!
And actually, this guy was a genius.
He could have been doing this decades ago.
It's maddening.
So what are the dirty tricks you think play out between now and November?
Obviously, the lawfare is not going to stop.
They're going to continue to try to do that.
You know, Biden's only going to get worse and Democrats are only going to get more desperate.
You know, what do you think they have?
What's left in sort of the playbook?
Oh man, that's a good question.
My colleague Molly Hemingway and I, we try to game plan this out regularly, and we're constantly complaining to each other that we think we lack the imagination that the left has.
I just don't think I have the capacity for evil.
They're gonna bring in as many votes as they can, illegal or not.
I absolutely think they're gonna put President Trump in jail.
I think they will use violence if they need to.
There's nothing that is off the table for them.
And my problem is I don't have the imagination to think about all the different things they're gonna put on the table.
But- You're not that sick.
You're not that sick.
Yeah, they'll stop at nothing.
They have decided.
And I think now that they've started throwing our people in jail, they know what's coming.
I'm actually terrified of what the next four to five months are going to look like.
I think it's going to make 2020 look like a walk in the park because I know what these people are capable of.
What's your prediction for the debate?
Oh, hilarity.
I mean,
I feel bad for the Biden doctor.
You know, he's got to come up with a cocktail that make that guy seem coherent for an hour.
I know they, you know, they put it, they wanted to change the debate format to make sure that Joe Biden could be seated.
I mean, doesn't that tell you everything?
Like you can't stand up for an hour.
Like you're the guy that we're going to call at 4am if the shit hits the fan and the world's imploding and like.
I gotta sit down for an hour conversation.
I mean, that in and of itself should almost be disqualifying, but like, what, you know, I had Ronny Jackson on, you know, last week, you know, what is it that they can jack him up with?
And the answer is, I think we should, our only thing should be, we'll give you whatever we want, we just want a post-debate, right off the bat,
Drug analysis.
Because I think the Americans deserve to know what they're pumping through this guy's system to make him seem coherent.
Listen, I think they did it in the last debate.
You see it.
Then, like, you collapse afterwards.
Towards the end, you just see the energy just go, you know, wither away and die.
And yet, it's 100% what they're doing.
Yeah, the drugs that they're pumping full of it into this guy, I would love to see what it is.
I mean, I predict that his pupils are going to be black and the size of the sun.
He's probably going to go minutes without blinking.
CNN is going to be completely over the top and absurd.
They're going to interrupt Trump all the time.
They're going to lie.
They're going to do fake fact checks.
It's going to be completely loaded.
We're good to go.
Yeah, because I mean, I guess that's the difference between this election and others.
You've actually had, or will have had, four years under both people by the time you get to election day.
Assuming he's still there, right?
Who knows?
But you had four years under Trump.
You had four years under Biden.
Like, hey, I was a real estate guy.
Like, it'd be really nice to go back to that world.
I could build buildings and be left the hell alone and be invited to the cool person party, you know, in a couple of years again once things settle down a bit.
And, you know, that's probably not on the cards these days.
What is it that he can even run on?
Like I said, I'd love to wish him success.
Because, again, then we don't have to do it, and we don't have to fight, and everyone wins, and there's millions of... But, like, I can't think of a single metric that he could credibly run on.
I can't imagine anything that says that we're better off now than we were four years ago.
Now, the media will say that.
They'll fact-check Trump's ad nauseum.
They'll tell you that, you know, it's wonderful because Joe Biden did XYZ.
They'll have a...
A pre-baked line and some notes that he's probably going to read to be like this.
And, you know, it'll be ambiguous enough that the fact checkers, who aren't exactly fact checkers, but more like narrative propagandists, will say, well, that's technically right, even if it's total bullshit.
You know, how do you think that plays out?
Man, it's I think Biden and the people controlling him know they have nothing to run on.
It's why they're trying to put everyone who's running against him in prison.
It's why they raided Mar-a-Lago.
It's why there's all these stupid cases.
It's why D.O.
Jason, it's number three to go work for Alvin Bragg in New York City.
They know they have nothing.
It's why they're trying to throw Trump off the ballot or why they tried until the Supreme Court said, yeah, we're not going to allow that kind of nonsense.
They know they don't have a record to run on.
And so they've got two things they can do.
They can make it impossible for you to vote for who you want to, which they're trying.
They can take a candidate they don't like off the board completely, or they can just peddle lies and nonsense that's not so much, hey, vote for us, we're great, but hey, vote for us because this guy's awful and he's going to bring back slavery and it's terrible and there's going to be fascism and Nazis and all that.
They've clearly chosen they're just going to do insane fear mongering and lawfare.
That's all they have.
And cheating.
Yeah.
Well, it's a lot, and I imagine they're going to use all of that arsenal.
So, you know, Sean, thank you very much.
Hey, let everyone know where they can find you, where they can find everything for The Federalist, so they can check that out.
You know, again, my whole thing is, guys, you know, like, share, subscribe.
Do the same with Sean and his stuff.
Make sure, you know, we can sort of overcome that algorithm.
You know, we're never going to get that help from Google.
We're not going to get it from Apple.
We're not going to get it, you know, elsewhere.
Like,
We gotta do that ourselves, and I think if we all take part in that, if we all become unafraid and willing to share these things, we can actually get that message out.
It's not like there's a lot of confidence in those institutions, whether it's media or otherwise these days.
We just gotta make sure that people actually get a chance to see the other side.
They can see the other half of the debate.
They can see the facts, not as presented to them by CNN, but with some reality.
Uh, behind it.
So, you know, let us know where people can check that out.
Well, you're very generous.
Thank you for your time and for having me on.
You can find us at TheFederalist.com.
You can donate, you can subscribe, and you can find me on Twitter at SeanMDaverX.
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Yeah, by the way, and if you guys haven't, if you're not already following Sean on Twitter, it's one of the certainly funnier pages.
I mean, very well informed, but he is not afraid to take it to the other side aggressively.
So it's a great follow.
So check it out.
Sean Davis, thanks a lot, buddy.
Appreciate you being here.
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