The Biden Border is a Disaster: Is it by Design? Interview with Former Acting ICE Director Tom Homan | TRIGGERED Ep.95
The Biden Border is a Disaster: Is it by Design? Interview with Former Acting ICE Director Tom Homan | TRIGGERED Ep.95
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Tonight, we're joined by a true patriot, Tom Homan.
Tom is the former acting director of ICE, and he worked to enforce America's immigration laws for decades, since 1984, under I believe it's six presidents, starting with Reagan.
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It's so important to see what's actually going on at the border.
Tom has been doing this for a long time.
He's down there regularly.
He can talk about the real stats, whether it's the human trafficking, the sex trafficking, the rape, the fentanyl, all the things that this administration is trying to sweep under the rugs.
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Okay guys, joining me now, uh, this is such a crisis, it's so insane what's going on, is former ICE Director Tom Homan.
Tom, you're in Texas right now, and I actually like this, right?
Unlike, you know, our border czar Kamala Harris, who, you know, maybe, you know, came within a couple hundred miles of the border maybe once, you're actually in Texas right now, visiting the border.
You're taking the time
Uh, to actually see what's going on.
And unlike, you know, the fictitious nonsense coming from the administration, you're on the ground.
Tell us what you're seeing.
Uh, and is it as bad as what we're seeing?
Is it worse?
Is it, you know, is there hope?
How insane is what's going on right now down there doing?
The only hope we got is that January 2025, President Trump walks back into the White House, and lets us do what we did before and secure the board at the highest level in my lifetime.
But no, look, it's historic.
I mean, every day I get the daily reports, and it was over 10,000 again today!
And Texas DPS, look, they're doing a great job.
They're filling the gaps.
Because Border Patrol's so overwhelmed in this crisis, majority of the agents aren't even on patrol anymore.
They're processing, making baby formula, changing diapers, doing everything.
But securing our borders.
So Texas DPS is filling the gaps.
I'm here with the Air Unit, and I can tell you they've seized a lot of drugs coming across the border.
And particularly where I am, it's very desolate territory, so these aren't people who are going to turn themselves in.
What this sector here deals with is those that want to get away.
Those carrying drugs, those that are criminals, gang members that don't want to turn themselves in.
So that's why this operation is very important.
So I keep seeing that you talk about those who are turning themselves in because they used to be like, hey, no matter what you even if you were coming across and you're just maybe looking for a better life, you know, you still tried to get through it and not get caught.
But it seems like now the people are coming, they're just, hey, I want to get caught because the government's going to give me, you know, some money or put me on a program and give me free health care and education.
Like, they're literally like, OK, here I am, you know.
Just let me into the country and give me everything that there is to give.
I mean, how has that changed in the last few years?
Because it seems like they're literally not even attempting to evade.
I'm sure there's plenty of, you know, the human traffickers, and the sex traffickers, and the fentanyl traffickers, and the disaster that's there.
You know, I'm sure they're running still rampant, and they're not trying to get caught, and they're probably getting away with that, and that's before we even get to the terrorists.
But it doesn't seem like anyone else is looking to evade because the policies are designed to allow them into the country.
Look, and that's why this crisis just continues to get worse.
They don't care that the Secretary, who should have been impeached two years ago, says don't come.
They don't care, you know, President Biden says don't come.
They're looking at the actions of the government.
They know right now the government's releasing thousands a day into the United States.
You know, we have sent a message to the entire world, you can cross the border illegally, you'll be processed quickly,
We'll fly you to a city of your choice, we'll put you in a hotel room at 500 bucks a night, give you three meals a day, we'll give you free medical attention.
I mean, who the hell wouldn't come?
So yeah, as long as they keep releasing people, as long as there's no consequence, they're going to keep coming.
Under the Trump administration, we ended catch and release.
They knew, you're going to cross the border illegally, you're going to be arrested, you're going to be detained, you're going to be removed.
This administration tore that all down, and that's why we have record numbers now.
Yeah, so talk about the differences between Texas DPS and what's going on with sort of, let's call it Federal Border Patrol.
You know, obviously some great folks in Texas, you know, taking that on.
I know Grad Abbot's been fairly vocal about what's going on there, but, you know, are they able to do more than what, you know, what Federal Border Patrol would be allowed to be doing right now?
Well, I can tell you, look, I think Governor Abbott's done more to secure this border than anybody in the Biden administration for sure, right?
Because his troopers, the people I'm with, every pound of fentanyl they seize, that's a hell of a lot less overdose deaths in this country.
Everybody they arrest, they at least get vetted and get fingerprinted, unlike this administration.
So what the unit I'm with right now, they're filling the gaps, because the border patrol, as I said, is so overwhelmed.
There's large portions of the border
There's not a single Border Patrol uniform within 50 miles.
So the cartels create these gaps, they send these large family groups through the border, knowing that's going to overwhelm the Border Patrol, the 30% that's left on the border, because the other 70% are processing, and they create gaps.
And that's when they move the fentanyl across to kill Americans.
That's when they sex traffic women and children.
That's when the non-inspected terrorists are going to cross.
So Texas DPS is trying to fill the gaps where they can patrol the border where there's very little, if any, border patrol agents.
And like I said, this unit here I'm with here today in Alpine, Texas, they have seized a record amount of narcotics.
They arrest a lot of runners.
Most of the people they arrest are runners.
But they've also saved some lives.
The people that cross in this area is very desolate.
And the last time I was here, we found several young illegal aliens.
That we're in very, very bad shape and probably would have died if it wasn't for Texas DPS.
Again, this administration's policies are not humane.
A record number of migrants have died since Joe Biden has been in the White House.
Last count was like 1,700, last count I knew.
1,700 migrants have died on U.S.
soil.
How is that humane?
That's an historic record.
112,000 Americans died of fentanyl comes across the border.
How is that humane?
Yeah, and how many more died just before they even got to the border, right?
I mean, you know, it's not like you get to Texas and all of a sudden it's hostile.
Like, you know, that area, you know, south of the border, you know, that's rough country as well, especially in a lot of places.
That's, you know, that's, you know, hot desert.
It's brutal.
I have friends down there, just my outdoor activities take me down there a lot.
They have ranches and some of the guys, you know, they're not even all that close to the border and they're finding multiple dead bodies of people that have gotten through and, you know, 30, 40, 50 miles north, you know, on their on their ranches, just, you know, unbeknownst to them.
It's a real problem.
I imagine, you know, 1700 is nothing compared to what the real number is of the people actually, you know, if, you know, that's what they found.
But it's got to be much worse, especially if you take into account what's going on south of the border.
Yeah, you look at the Darien Gap in Panama, thousands have died in Darien Gap.
And look, I say it all the time, what I like to footstep when I say, well, the Trump administration, you know, Homan, you got your crew, you're racist, and your policy is inhumane.
I'd like to point out to us, look, under President Trump, we had illegal immigration down 83 to 90 percent, depending on what time frame you looked at.
Doctors Without Borders, a nonpartisan group, did a study.
They talked to thousands of women who made the journey to the United States through the use of cartels, and 31% of them admitted to being raped by the members of cartels, sexually assaulted.
So I like to tell people, they want to say how inhumane the Trump administration was.
It says, if we're down 83% to 90% down, decrease in illegal immigration, which means 83% to 90% less people are coming.
How many women did get raped?
How many children didn't die in the river?
How many women and children weren't sex trafficked because the Border Patrol was on the border vigilant 100%?
How many non suspected terrorists didn't cross the border?
How many Americans didn't die from fentanyl coming across the open border?
President Trump's policy saved lives, saved lives.
A secure border saved lives.
I've done this for 34 years.
A secure border saves lives.
And under the last administration, we had the most secure border in my lifetime, which saved thousands of lives, and this administration turned it off, and now we got a record number of Americans dying, a record number of migrants dying because of the inaction of this administration.
Yeah, and again, you know, that doesn't even take into account sort of the, you know, the rape statistics are, from, you know, what I'm seeing, just, I mean, a huge percentage of the young women and girls, you know, across the border have been raped multiple times.
You know, you're not allowed to say that, right?
Because that's terrible, right?
Trump, you know, he was a terrible human being for saying, you know, there's rapists coming across the border, but the sex trafficking thing is very real.
It's frankly much more rampant than we would have ever known when he announced, you know, back in June of 2015,
But it is real, and that happens to these young kids.
I mean, what does that do to them for the rest of their lives?
I mean, the toll goes far beyond just death, but just the emotional and, you know, traumatic damage that happens to so many of these, you know, women, kids, and girls.
You know, it's got to be immeasurable.
Well, and that's why everybody, you know, they ask me, why do you get so emotional when you testify?
Why do you get emotional on the Fox Network?
Because if they've seen what I've seen in 34 years, they'd be pissed off, too.
Look, I've talked to little girls as young as nine years old.
That were raped multiple times by these animals in the cartels.
And when you sit down and look into a little girl's eyes, nine years old, and see that everything innocent has been stolen from her, and her life will never be the same, and she is broken.
It's a broken spirit, a broken soul.
Then you understand why I'm emotional about this, because this stuff happens every day.
While you and me are talking right now,
Women are being sexually assaulted by members of the cartels.
While you and I are talking right now, a child's gonna die making this journey.
So that's why it's so important we secure the border.
And look, and I've been saying, a lot of these families do see children that come in.
Over 400,000 children have entered the United States under the Joe Biden administration.
The government's lost a track of like 100,000 of them.
It was 85,000, now we're close to 100,000.
100,000 kids that they released to so-called vetted sponsors that now they can't find.
So, you know, and I guarantee you, I said evictions are trafficking.
Some are going to be in pornographic movies, some are living with pedophiles, some are in forced labor.
Matter of fact, as you've seen over the last six months, there's been several investigations where they find children working in
For one example, a meat packing plant cleaning up entrails at a midnight shift.
We're not getting any pay.
Children!
So they have been trafficking to the United States because this administration has sent a clear message.
If you cross the border illegally, we're not going to detain you.
We're not going to remove you.
We're going to fly you to the city of your choice and deliver you to the very people that paid to smuggle you into the country.
Yeah, as the father of five young kids and a nine-year-old girl, honestly, I can't even imagine.
And it's so sick.
It's so sick when you see them not, they know it's going on and they don't even care.
It's just like, it's truly despicable.
And I hope that someday, it was interesting, it was funny to see sort of John Fetterman was like, the border's ridiculous.
Even like the most radical Democrats are finally starting to get it and yet,
You know, the media is not going to talk about it because that would be, you know, that would be damaging to them and their communist cause in an election year.
And it's just, it's terrible stuff.
It's terrible stuff.
And people, you know, say, oh, Holman, where are you getting this information?
Look, they just had a high level official from HHS testify, whistleblower, that HHS isn't taking care of these kids.
Their main objective is to release them as quick as possible.
The secretary of HHS, Becerra, I saw him give a speech last month.
He was bragging.
How quick these children are out of our custody and put with sponsors.
That's nothing to brag about.
Under the Trump administration, we would vet not only the sponsors, we would vet everybody in the household to make sure there wasn't a pedophile living in that household.
Make sure there wasn't a criminal living in that household.
Doesn't seem like that's too much to ask, Tom.
I mean, you know, if you put on like your hat of like logic and reason, like,
That seems like, that's not racist or misogynist or homophobic or whatever the hell they'll call it because they're insane.
That seems like a basic level of diligence that you should be doing when it comes to these sorts of things.
But, you know, they've just thrown that all by the wayside.
Well, not only that, they stopped the high-level DNA test and make sure that kid, that child, is actually with a parent, as that parent claims that it's a child.
And we know, when I was director of ICE, we had numerous investigations where the cartels were renting children to single men, so they can claim to be a family unit, because they knew family units would have to be released because of the Ninth Circuit decision, you can only hold families for 20 days.
But look, this is, it's terrible what this administration is doing, and like I said, not only Becerra,
But Secretary Mayorkas, their instructions to Border Patrol agents is process as quick as you can, release as quick as you can, because if there's no overcrowding, nothing to see here, we can keep saying the border's secure.
When they had the 15,000 Haitians under that bridge and Fox drone caught that, that was a bad day for the administration.
So the only thing this administration has done on our southwest border is send more resources to the border to process quicker and release quicker.
They haven't done a damn thing to slow the flow, not one thing.
So I keep seeing videos of, like, massive groups of Chinese immigrants on the border as well.
I mean, this seems completely new, but what's going on there?
Is the whole world just taking advantage of, you know, the Biden open border policies?
They're like, hey, well, we can get here.
You know, this isn't someone from Mexico that's coming in and looking to maybe be able to get a better job.
I mean, they're coming in from
You know, a long way off, and it seems like maybe, you know, it's the third world, you know, nations.
It's like, hey, this is a dumping ground.
How do we know they're not just opening up their prisons or their mental institutions and saying, here, go to America.
You're going to cause more damage there.
We don't actually have to ever fire off a missile because we're just going to corrupt the country so badly with people having to deal with this stuff.
How do we even know?
It seems nuts.
We don't know, and that's why I've been saying for two years, this is the best national security failure this country's seen since 9-11.
Border Patrol, since Joe Biden's been in the White House, Border Patrol's arrested people from 171 different countries.
Many of these countries are sponsors of terror.
Now, Border Patrol's arrested over 300 just on the southern border alone on terrorist watch lists.
We got nearly 1.8 million known getaways.
These are people caught on video, drone traffic, central traffic that crossed the border.
We have their image, but they weren't arrested by the Border Patrol because they were too busy changing diapers and making baby formula.
So we got 1.8 million getaways.
How many of them came from the country sponsoring terror?
If you think it's zero, then you're ignoring all probability.
It's just ridiculous.
Because after 9-11, we created all these databases, TSA no-fly list, FBI screening database, the visa security program to make sure people couldn't get a visa or come to this country on a plane ticket and do what they did in 9-11.
And those processes worked pretty damn good.
But what terrorist today is going to put himself in a position to buy a plane ticket or ask for a visa when he knows he's going to go through a vetting process,
When the Assembly gets to Mexico, pay the cartels extra to be at Gottaway.
You gotta ask yourself, why did 1.8 million people choose to pay more to get away?
Why did they pay less, turn themselves in, get released the same day, get a plane ticket to the city of their choice, get work authorization for the next 5-7 years while they fight their case, and even if they lose their case, which 9 out of 10 will, ICE isn't looking for them because Secretary Mayorkas said,
Being in the country illegally on its own isn't enough for us to make an arrest.
Why did 1.8 million people decide, no, I don't want that giveaway program.
I want to pay more to get away.
It's simple.
They didn't want to be vetted.
They didn't want to be fingerprinted.
This just scared the hell out of every American.
It does me.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is not, you know, I know they've caught, you know, 275, whatever it is, people literally on terror watch lists, but if you're going out of your way, you understand, it's not like everyone doesn't know, right?
You know, everyone's got a cell phone, everyone's coming across the border, this isn't exactly what they're trying to pretend it is, right?
So everyone knows if 1.8 million of those people are going
Beyond what they know it would take to get into our country.
What if it's just 10% of that?
That's 180,000 people!
You know, what if it's 5%, 2%?
What could those people do if they were reasonably sophisticated or well-funded or from Iran?
I mean, just think of what those 1% as a sleeper cell, 18,000 people.
What that could do to America.
I mean, you could fundamentally change the entire landscape of our country and the way we live in terms of just being in total fear all the time.
If it was just 1% of the 1.8 million who are going above and beyond paying more to make sure that there's no chance that they get vetted, even though they know that if they got vetted, they'd be released in the country if they didn't have anything flagrantly sticking out on their, you know, on their rap sheet, so to speak.
And how bad is it?
Well, I'll tell you how bad it is.
In September this year, they arrested 18 people on terrorist watch lists coming across the Southern border.
Under the Trump administration, 11 in four years.
They got 18 in one month.
That's how bad it is.
I mean, it's a historic number of people could be arrested on terrorist watch lists.
Like I said, what scares me more than those are the gotaways, the ones that are sophisticated enough to pay more money.
And look,
One month, you know, this last past year, fiscal year in FY13, they arrested, what, 227 people.
Excuse me, FY14, 227 people came, terrorists watched us on the southern border.
I don't
We're good to go.
This constant rush to release people is causing a national security crisis.
I have talked to Border Patrol Agent Whistleblowers who told me
They've released people before they even got the FBI screening back, only to find out when they got the FBI screening back a day later, that person was hot.
And in one instance, luckily ICE was able to find that person and take him back in custody.
But how many have been released that we don't know about, or have been released that this administration's not admitting?
Every time Mayorkas testifies, they ask him these questions, he never answers it.
Again, a man that should have been impeached two years ago.
I don't know what's going on with a lot of Republicans on the Hill, but that man needs to be impeached for what he's done to this country, not only the massive American deaths, the massive migrant deaths, the national security.
He's the Secretary of Homeland Security.
He has the same data points you and me are talking about.
He knows what's happening on the southern border.
It's a huge national security risk.
He should be telling the White House, stop, or I'm going to resign in protest.
A better man, a man with any integrity at all, would do it, but this man isn't doing it, and this president's not doing it, and it sickens me.
Why are there Republicans that will defend him or not go towards impeachment with him?
Is it that they know that whoever the other Stooges will put in will just do whatever the Biden policies are?
It never made sense to me.
Some guys that are, at least on paper, fairly conservative, it seems like a no-brainer.
It seems like he's violated every oath of that office imaginable.
Uh, and yet there were Republicans that wouldn't go forward.
I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene put forth the stuff to actually have him impeached and Republicans are like, we can't do that.
I'm like, why not?
They tried to impeach Trump and he didn't do anything wrong.
This guy's clearly violating everything.
They impeached President Trump for making a phone call.
And they can't impeach Mayorkas or Biden for what they've done to our southern border, this huge national security crisis we have, especially since the FBI director, don't really respect them, but even he admitted under oath.
The terror threats are now at an all-time high.
He testified that, I think it was last week.
So it is testimony.
And what just happened in Israel, if that's not enough to wake up every Republican on the Hill to stick together and impeach this man, I don't know what is.
And I'm as angry as you.
Marjorie Greene Taylor had the article as impeachment.
I think seven Republican congressmen voted against it.
Shame on them.
I mean, when's enough seen enough?
When is enough?
Enough.
And even the people that are vetted, people need to understand, even the ones we vet, the vetting's only as good as the information we have access to.
Do you think when we vet someone from China, you think China's going to share any drug-throwing information?
Oh yeah, no, that guy's a bad guy.
Send him back.
No, no, no.
We're more than happy to have that guy be a criminal enterprise, a criminal mastermind, and drain your resources and kill your kids with fentanyl.
I mean, it feels like that's a war they're actually playing.
Honestly, at this point, that's not even conspiratorial.
That's clear.
There's been like 30,000 Chinese nationals of military age have crossed this border under this administration.
30,000.
Think about that.
And we know they're not our friends.
We got people from Turkey, from Syria, from Iraq, from Iran, from North Korea.
I mean, people who hate and despise this country are crossing our borders.
Again, the 1.8 million got away scared the hell out of me.
Look, I've never been more worried about the security and safety of this nation than I am right now because of the border.
You can't have national security without border security.
We have to know what's coming in and who's coming in.
And right now, we don't.
Think about it.
1.8 million people have entered this country.
We don't know who they are, where they're from, what their purpose is.
It's just ridiculous.
I'm sick and tired of hearing people say,
The ones that turn themselves, well, they're asylum seekers.
They have a right to claim asylum.
They got a right to see a judge.
Okay, but let's look at the back end of this.
We know based on immigration court data, nearly nine out of ten people who claim asylum at the southern border never get relief from U.S.
courts.
They simply don't qualify.
So you call them asylum seekers all you want, and now I'm taking, you know, taking a hate, President Biden, President Trump's taking a lot of hate, because we're going to have a historic deportation operation when he's back in business.
Well, what do you expect on the heels of an historic illegal immigration surge on the border, where nine out of ten are going to be ordered by federal judges that they must leave the country
The law requires a deportation operation.
We gave them due process that great taxpayers spent.
Billions of dollars are spent on this whole process.
When a federal judge says you must leave, we must make sure that order is carried out, because there's no consequence, no deterrence.
You're never going to fix the border.
And if judges' orders don't mean anything, then shut down the immigration court, too.
Take the border patrol off the border, because there's no law here.
There's no consequence of breaking the laws.
So there is going to be a historic deportation operation.
There has to be, because we're on the heels of a historic, never seen before, illegal alien crisis, where most of them, the vast majority of them, will be ordered removed.
And we're going to make sure they're removed.
So you talked a little bit about, you know, the northern border and the crisis there.
Obviously, that border is probably, you know, double the length of our southern border, and you're saying they've removed so many of the people there to go deal with the southern border, but you talk more about the potential for problems with there, especially, I guess, from the bad actors, right?
Someone's not going from Honduras to there to come in from the northern border because it's a little less guarded, because they have no problem getting in the southern border, and they just turn themselves in.
But, you know, what do you see going on at the northern border?
Are there stories or, you know, is there sort of a disproportionate amount of the people that are getting caught that are either on a watch list or from, you know, more nefarious countries, you know, coming across there?
Or is it just sort of the unknown?
And it's so porous, it's so open and so unguarded that we don't actually even come close to knowing.
No, like I said, in FY14, I think the number is 227 on the southern border from terrorist watch list.
In that same year with 227 on the northern border, 432 on the northern border.
So yes, a huge vulnerability.
And after 9-11, GEO did a report, I'm trying to remember it, but in the report they more or less said the northern border, someone, a terrorist entering this country is 10 times more likely to enter through the northern border than the southern border because there's very little enforcement resources up there.
I grew up on the northern border.
That's why it became a port of choice.
I grew up there on the St.
Lawrence River, bordering Canada.
And look, in upstate New York, for once, there's a sector up there, their crossing's up over 800%.
800%.
At least Stefanik is raising hell about it, because that's her area.
And again, the administration doesn't pay attention.
So what do they do when the number's up 800%?
They send half the resources to the southern border.
Then the half left there are sitting on a computer all day, processing arrests from the southern border.
If we end the catch and release, if we put the Remain in Mexico program back in, that the highest courts in the United States are illegal, we will solve 80% of this problem.
Then the agents can get back on the line, do the national security duty.
They took an oath.
They took an oath.
Let them uphold that oath.
Let them enforce the law.
Let them protect the national security of this country.
But this administration, again, is not doing a damn thing to slow the flow.
They don't want to fix this.
All they're going to do is dust off the Trump playbook.
We've proven Remain in Mexico is a game-changer.
We've proven the Third Safe Country agreements were a game-changer.
We've proven that ending cuts release was a game-changer.
The data proves it.
Whether you like President Trump or hate him, all you got to do is go to CBB.gov and look at the data.
We've proved success.
If this administration really want to secure the border, they have the playbook.
We've proven it.
But they're not going to do it because they don't want to solve this crisis.
And it's not because of mismanagement.
It's not because of incompetence.
This is by design.
President Biden ran on open borders.
You got to give him credit.
He kept his promise.
We have an open border, and now we have the biggest national security crisis I've seen in this country, and it's terrible.
This country is in grave danger.
I really believe that.
If you don't think a single terrorist across that border coming to do us harm, then you're ignoring the data.
It's terrible.
You know, it's sort of interesting, right?
I travel a lot.
Everyone knows that, you know, come in and, you know, go through customs, whatever it may be.
And, you know, it seems honestly, regardless of almost port of entry, the customs got, you know, they're like, oh my God, John, high five.
Like, you guys are awesome.
So much better there.
It's actually, you know, a great feeling.
It's almost universal sort of, you know, appreciation, which is awesome.
But how is, you know, what's going on with Border Patrol in terms of morale?
What's going on there in terms of recruitment?
You know, I can't imagine that the people that were willing to do this job and, you know, back when it was still a rough job a couple years ago, you know, are going to sign up to go, you know, change diapers and process paperwork.
Seems like some really tough circumstances going on there right now.
You know, sort of a vicious cycle to exacerbate the problem.
I'm glad you asked that question.
The last three days, I've been down here with Jason Jones and the troopers.
And the best part of this three days was we actually landed on an event yesterday where the Border Patrol was actually chasing a group.
They were tracking them.
And we landed to help them.
It's been 30 years since I tracked somebody, but I didn't forget.
So I got out there and started helping.
It was a great moment.
Three Borbidge ladies walked up to me, and I won't tell you their names because I'll probably get fired.
They walked up and they recognized me and said, Hey, Iceman!
They walked up to me and they all shook my hand.
They all wanted to take a picture.
And what I said to the troopers when I got back in the helicopter, I said, You know what?
Their morale is in the toilet, but this administration hasn't broken their spirit because they're waiting.
For January 2025, they're going to go do their job.
So, you know, matter of fact, two of the agents asked me if I stopped by the Border Patrol station on the way back to El Paso because of my flight to D.C.
tomorrow, and I promised them I would.
So the men and women of Border Patrol, even though the morale's in the tank, their hope is that in January 2025, they're going to get to do their job because these men and women go home every day
Feeling like they're not enforcing the law, and they're more like tourist agents.
They're catching—in my day, when I was a tourist agent, you arrest them, you process them, and they're back in Mexico in 30 minutes.
Now, they're processing people from all over the world, like a travel agent, then transporting to an airport to go to their final destination.
When it comes to children, they're being delivered to the same people who paid for their smuggling.
And they just feel like, we're not enforcing the law.
It's just an open gate.
We're processing and releasing.
They're there to secure the border, not create an efficient border.
I mean, the last chief that just retired, Ortiz, I was at an event where he was bragging that he wants to make our border patrol stations like a chick-fil-a.
He wants them processed quickly and more efficient and released.
That's not what these men and women who took an oath to defend this nation, who strap a gun to their hip every day,
We're good.
Well, you know, I know my father's vowing to carry out the largest deportation operation in history.
You know, what are the logistics and the operations entailed in accomplishing that?
I mean, you know, these same guys, are they willing to do that?
Does it require a different kind of recruitment?
Because now you're, you know, they've been shipped all over the country.
And again, you got to focus on the nefarious actors first.
And it's 1.8 million people.
No small feat.
And, you know, it's not like they're going to be showing back up at the court dates.
And some of the court dates are so far out, you know, we'll both be old men by the time they'd ever even have to show up at court.
And, you know, they're not showing up anyway.
You know, how does that operation look and work logistically?
There is not a Border Patrol agent or an ICE agent or any DPS, I mean, DHS officer.
Even DPS officers are willing to cross-designate us.
We'll help.
Because they realize we got millions of people released in this country who are going to be ordered removed.
We need to remove them.
Because if we don't show consequence, if we don't uphold the law, they're going to keep coming.
So under the Trump administration, the numbers dropped drastically because of the Romanian-Mexico program, Third Safe Country Agreement.
But what also was a game changer?
They actually saw airplanes taking people home.
So instead of selling everything you own, sell your little Ranchito and spend all your money to pay the cartels, when they started seeing plane loads coming home,
They're saying, OK, maybe I don't want to do this.
So, you know, we've got to have a consequence for it.
I'm glad you asked that question, because New York Times did a story, and they interviewed me, they interviewed Stephen Miller.
And of course, I told them how an operation would go like that.
Of course, none of it made it to the story.
You know, you've got all these people saying, oh, Trump's going to build concentration camps, he's going to raid neighborhoods, he's going to sweep the nation.
That's not the way it works.
First of all, they'll be detained in an ICE facility that has the highest detention standards in the industry.
ICE detention standards are higher than any federal, state, or local facility in this nation.
If anybody went to ICE.gov and looked at ICE detention standards, what our facilities look like, many would be angry how much money is spent.
Billions.
On care of those who are in a custody.
Matter of fact, when I was vice director, I've had sheriffs come to me and ended the contract.
We would rent beds from sheriffs when we were over full.
And the sheriff says, I don't want the contract.
I don't want your millions of dollars because your standards are too high.
I don't give these standards to U.S.
citizens.
Why do I want standards for those who are in the country illegally?
So the standards are very high.
But it's not a nationwide sweep.
We're not going through neighborhoods looking for people who look different from us.
We're good.
This is a targeted enforcement operation.
First of all, under Trump administration, we did prioritize 91% of everybody we arrested.
Was either convicted criminal or pending criminal charges, which means we found him in jail, which probably means we're not a choir boy.
So 9 out of 10 was a criminal.
So we did prioritize.
But they need to understand, it's not a nationwide sweep looking for people who look different than us.
Every person that ICE arrests is done on what they call an operational enforcement sheet.
We know exactly who we're going to go look for.
We have where we think we're going to find them.
And it's a planned operation.
And so it's not like the left wants you to think we're going to be sweeping neighbors.
No, it's a targeted enforcement operation.
A lot of planning goes into this.
And the only people that are arrested that weren't on the planned operation
I don't
Well, that's what they do, right?
They project what they'd be doing if they were in charge,
Trump's a dictator.
If you're looking at the Democrat Party, if you're looking at the weaponized DOJ and FBI, if you look at the silencing of their political enemies and the jailing of their political dissidents that they don't like, it's a very disparate treatment than what they do to, let's call it the rioters of the summer of love.
But interestingly, even New York City Mayor Eric Adams is now coming to terms with some of this disaster.
He's saying,
I can't handle it.
Everyone's a sanctuary city when they don't actually have to deal with the problems.
But do you think that any of these so-called sanctuary cities, do you think they're going to change course when they understand what it's doing to their budgets, to their already stressed infrastructure, to their schools, to their hospital systems, to their budgets?
Or do you think it's like, well, they'll complain a little bit, but they're going to maintain course because they have to?
They'll do the same thing this administration is doing.
They'll just charge the taxpayers more to do it.
I don't think their mentality is going to change at all.
I mean, sanctuary cities are sanctuaries for criminals.
Sanctuary cities, in my opinion, is like New York City.
When I was director, we had a dozen agents at Rikers Island.
We removed hundreds of people a week from there that were convicted of criminal offense in New York City.
ICE been kicked out of Rikers Island.
We have no presence in Rikers Island.
NYPD's not allowed to even call ICE.
So it's a sanctuary for criminals.
So, you know, under Trump administration, we're actually suing the sanctuary.
Well, here's the problem in New York.
They can blame Governor Abbott for sending all these aliens to New York City, but they're going to New York City anyways!
That's why New York City ranks number three in the illegal alien population, because it's a sanctuary city.
They can get there and get a job, they can get a driver's license, they can even get arrested for a crime.
I mean, it feels like Americans are truly, you know, based on that standard, Americans are truly a second class citizen in their own country.
I mean, I think it was Biden once said that
He doesn't think illegal immigrants who get arrested for drunk driving should be deported.
I mean, they're illegal, they're driving drunk, they're probably not the greatest standard in the world.
Like, what do you think of that insanity?
Because again, if I'm an American citizen, I'm saying, hey, the illegal guy does the same thing as me, but he gets away with it because they don't want to deport him?
I don't understand.
Why wouldn't they want to deport that person?
Look, and what people need to understand, there's no prerequisite in the immigration law that says you've got to commit yet another crime to be arrested.
Entry in this country illegally is a crime.
Title VIII, United States Code 1325.
I had to educate AOC one time at a hearing.
It's a crime to enter this country illegally.
And the INA, the Immigration Nationality Act, says nothing that you've got to go commit another crime.
This administration says, oh, you shouldn't be looking for them unless you're convicted of a serious aggravated felony, which is the most serious of crimes.
Look, when that happens, it's too late!
Yeah.
That you look for the worst-worst first, and you look for the national security threats.
And we did that in the Trump administration.
But we didn't take a whole population off the table.
I'll tell you something, when Secretary Mark has put out the new ICE priorities, I looked at it, and I looked at under the Trump administration what crimes would make somebody removable.
There are criminals being arrested under the Trump administration.
But think about how insane that is.
I know we live in an age of equality and all that nonsense that we gotta believe, but I imagine that's committed by a man beating up a woman in the vast majority of instances, right?
Maybe it happens the other way, but like, we're gonna go out of our way to protect that guy?
He's beating a woman?
Like, I wouldn't get that treatment.
I'd be in jail.
And yet we're not only not arresting them, we're letting them get away with it.
We're not deporting them.
They can do it again.
The recidivism rate on that must be rather huge, because I imagine if you're doing that, it's probably a part of you and, you know, not a good one.
That's lunacy.
And that's why I get so upset when they say this administration is so humane and we care about these people.
There's a victim in every domestic violence.
There's a victim.
You don't care about those folks.
And look, it can burglarize your home.
Not a priority for ICE.
I mean, the Secretary has really nailed down to the highest levels who ICE can arrest.
And look, cities like New York, Chicago, where the crime rate's running rampant, do I think it's because of illegal aliens in that city?
Partly.
Let me explain why.
Because a certain percentage of criminals are going to be those who are in the country illegally.
If you would work with ICE, if you stop being a sanctuary city, not only would we remove them from the community, we'll remove them from the country, which will have an impact on crime.
Again, I'm not saying that every illegal alien is out there committing crimes, but a percentage of them are.
That's why if you look at the foreign-born population in the prisons, in the federal system, there's a lot of them.
But again, not everyone's a criminal and committed a crime against you as a citizen here.
There's a certain percentage that does.
So if you really want to drop the crime rate in Chicago, New York, and San Francisco, why won't you work with ICE and at least take that percentage that are in the country illegally in violation of law, let us work with us and we can help you.
But they don't want to do it because their ideology don't allow them to work with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Look, they think ICE is a racist
Racist organization, and it just, it pisses me off when I hear that, because the men and women of ICE and the Border Patrol, they're patriots.
They strap a gun to their hip every day and put their own lives at risk to go enforce the law and keep this nation safe.
The Border Patrol agents, they go home every day after the tragedy they see on the border.
They had 22 suicides in the last two years.
Highest number of suicides, percentage-wise, of any federal, state, or local law enforcement in the nation.
Now, I'm not saying the open border
We're good.
It's got a way on them, and they're taking us home with them every day.
Border patrol agents take sicknesses home every day.
A lot of these aliens coming across are sick.
The border patrol agents take that sicknesses home to their own family.
I mean, they still have to take regular TB scratch tests to see if they've got TB.
I mean, and the only humanity
The only humanity on this board is the men and women wearing green.
I've seen these agents bring toys from their own children at their homes to bring them to the children in the centers to give them something to play with.
The only humanity on that board is the men and women wearing green.
This administration, there's nothing about their policies that make this whole process humane at all.
It's the most inhumane policy to open that border up because the most vulnerable people in the world
I'm going to sell everything they have to put themselves in the hands of a criminal cartel to come to this country.
Many will be sexually assaulted.
Many will be attacked.
Some will be killed if they can't afford their fees.
And it's just terrible what this administration has done.
When you tell the whole world, you're going to enter the country illegally, we're not going to detain you, we're going to release you, we're going to get you to the city of your choice, you'll get work authorization.
The whole world's going to come here.
And that's why we have so many migrants dying, because they took the hopes of being released in this country and have no consequence, and that's why it held devastation.
Again, over 1,700 migrants have died on U.S.
soil alone.
Not talking about what happens in Mexico, Central America, or the dairying gap in Panama.
Thousands!
So we agree that Alejandro Mayorkas, we agree that he should be impeached, but does DHS need to also be overhauled?
I mean, has, you know, we're not talking about the door kickers and the agents, we get that, right?
They're there, you know, and they're great patriots, but has this system been corrupted beyond just the leadership at the top?
Are there structural issues that need to be addressed that have been, you know, sort of gone to rot under Biden?
Well, there's a lot of structure issues that have to be fixed.
For instance, at ICE, you've got a political appointee who's deciding
Where ICE should get contracted facilities and not in shutting down facilities.
I mean, they're trying to shut down the Adelanto processing facility in California, a 1,200-bed facility.
They want to shut it down in the middle of a historic crisis on the border.
They want to lose beds.
So yeah, you know, given the political pointy, that type of power, the one at ICE makes all the decisions on operations, all the decisions on detention practices and where they get detention contracts, what ones they end, what ones they don't.
Instead of someone who spent 20, 30 years doing this job and knows it very well, you get a political appointee that comes in with some ideology of open borders that want to destroy the enforcement program of this agency.
So yeah, there needs to be overhauls in policies, and absolutely on some high-level staff who don't believe in the mission of ICE.
The person I'm talking about at ICE actually was supporting to abolish ICE, and now she's making all these decisions at ICE?
It's ridiculous.
Well, this is one I want you to actually clear up for our viewership.
Recently, Ron DeSantis was out there dishonestly attacking my father, and he said that the wall wasn't built.
Can you talk about the immigration enforcement, the border security, what was built, and the successes of the first administration, so people understand exactly what that was, as well as perhaps some of the roadblocks put up, not just by the Democrats and the media, but by other Republican
First of all, there's 465 miles of water built.
465 miles.
Think about that.
So, in the first two years, of course, you had the Never Trumpers on the Hill, you had all the lawsuits, the landowners and the environmental groups, a lot of lawsuits went on.
But still, was able to do 465 miles of water.
So, for people like Ron DeSantis, I mean, Chris Christie, I heard him say one time that
Only 50 miles of wall built or something.
Where the hell are we getting those numbers from?
I was there.
465 miles of wall, and they say, well, someone's replaced the wall.
Of course it was, because what President Trump did, he didn't say where the wall was.
He went to the experts on the border patrol, where do you need the wall first?
And based on the entry numbers, where the surges were coming, the border patrol said, well, we've got some dilapidated fencing here, we can replace this first, because that's where the bodies are coming through.
And the president goes, yes.
They had a plan, an operational plan of where the wall's being built.
So he built it exactly where the Border Patrol wanted it.
If they wanted some replacement fencing, of course they did it.
He did it where the Border Patrol saw the surges coming.
So he wasn't a dictator on that issue.
He listened to the experts on the border.
Where do you need the wall?
And what type of wall?
Even what type of wall you wanted.
The Border Patrol brought in like a dozen different prototypes.
President didn't decide what wall was.
He listened to experts.
Okay, I like a piece of this wall.
I like this feature in this wall.
I like this feature in this wall.
So they came up with a wall system that the border patrol and their special operators couldn't defeat.
And what the census needs to understand—and look, great governor of Florida, I guess, I don't know.
You cannot attack President Trump on border security when what he did was unprecedented.
I've worked for six presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan.
Every president I've worked for, even Clinton and Obama, you know, took some steps.
They realized you can't have national security on border security.
But no one did more than President Trump.
Illegal immigration at a 45-year low.
You think that was by accident?
No, because President Trump is an out-of-box thinker.
When we talked about the guideways, when we talked about the 9 out of 10 that will fail their case and they'll be in the wind, and Homeland Security Life Cycle Report says only 6% of those ordered removed will actually leave, President Trump, I was in the Oval Office, says, then why the hell are we releasing them?
So that's where Remain in Mexico came into play.
Look, they can claim asylum, but they'll wait in Mexico.
If a 9 out of 10 fail, we don't have to go look for them.
And when people realize that you weren't being released in the United States to be a God away and go in hiding and wait for the next amnesty program, they stopped coming.
They stopped coming to Mexico.
They stayed home.
And so if you're really escaping fear and persecution and death from your home government, you're going to go.
But they stopped coming, which tells you it wasn't about
Asylum is about coming to the United States.
But look, the Remain in Mexico program, a game-changer.
Trump's plan.
The Third Safe Country Agreement, the Migrant Protection Protocol, and the agreements we had with Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, game-changers.
Ordering Mexico to put military on the southern and northern border, a game-changer.
The wall, a game-changer.
Now, I see a lot of talking heads now saying, well, apparently the wall doesn't work if we have historically illegal immigration.
Look where 95% of the crossings occur right now.
Well, there's not a wall.
Now, if you want to say you're humane, what's one of the things the walls do?
The most vulnerable, the women and children, the family groups, they can't get over that wall.
So what do they do?
They go to a place where there isn't a wall.
And that's where the board of children meet them and take care of any humanitarian needs or health issues.
Now, they have cut the fence in a few places.
Why do they get away with that?
Because there's no board placements there.
They're processing.
Under the Trump administration, if they were to do that, we know when they approach the wall, we know when they dig under the wall, we know when they climb the wall.
It's a smart wall.
But the smart wall does you no good if you've got no enforcement resources to respond to that incursion.
That's the difference.
So, look, Ron DeSantis, all the Republicans that are running for GOP, they can take a lesson from President Trump, because his success was unprecedented.
Again, I worked for six presidents.
No president was even close.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Eagle Pass.
There was several days, there wasn't a single green uniform in the entire sector on the border.
They pulled every agent into process.
You know, the criminal cartels had a field day with that.
They can question what we did on Trump administration, but if you look at the data, if you look at the evidence,
You cannot argue that President Trump, what he did was unprecedented on securing our border.
The highest level I've seen in my lifetime.
And I've done this job.
I started on the border in 1984.
The border was never more secure than it was under the Trump administration.
So obviously we bring all that stuff back in a second Trump administration, but are you ready to settle back up?
I already promised President Trump.
He comes back, I come back, and I'll help run that biggest deportation operation in the nation.
You know, Washington posted a story on me five years ago, and the first line of the story was, Tom Holman deports people and he's really good at it.
Of course, it was a hit piece, but I framed it.
I framed it.
It's in my office wall.
When those guys are hitting on you, that's a badge of honor.
That's not a negative.
You know you're over the target.
You know you're over the target.
And look, I promised the president months ago, he comes back, I come back.
And why?
Because I love my country.
And I do wake up every day pissed off because it's just not undoing the most successful border in the history of this nation.
It's the lives being lost, American lives, fentanyl overdoses, and the migrant life.
Look, entry to the country illegally is a crime, but it shouldn't be a death sentence.
So look, record number of migrants are dying, record number of U.S.
citizens are dying, and the terrorist thing, it just scares the hell out of me.
And for someone to do that on purpose,
These people aren't idiots.
They know exactly what they're doing.
And it just, it insults me as someone who's served my country for 34 years that any president would come in.
Listen, I've worked for six presidents.
I'll say it again, starting with Ronald Reagan.
Every president I worked for cared about the border and tried to do something because they knew you can't have national security without border security.
No one did more than President Trump by far.
Joe Biden's the first president in the history of this nation who came into office and unsecured a border.
Unsecure the border.
Who the hell does that?
Well, Commander-in-Chief says, I want more illegal immigration.
I want more illegal drug flow.
I want more Americans dying.
I want more inspected terrorists using this vulnerable border as an entry point.
I want more women, children, sex traffic.
When you open the border up, the bad stuff comes with it.
And I tell people all the time, regardless of what your opinion is on illegal immigration, when you intentionally cause a crisis this big, all the bad stuff's happened.
The fentanyl, the sex trafficking, the terrorism.
I says, when you open the border up, that's what you cause.
Yeah, I'll be back in a heartbeat with President Trump.
Well, we look forward to it, Tom.
Thanks so much.
Really appreciate you.
Appreciate your continued patriotism, that you stay involved, that you're actually on the ground there seeing what's going on.
I think that's so important.
So many people are so misinformed because they just go by the narrative.
So having you there is awesome.
And we definitely look forward to having you back.
And thanks for doing the show, man.
You got it.
Thanks for having me.
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