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Dec. 4, 2023 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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FBI Lies Destroy Lives, Plus More EVIDENCE of Biden Corruption, Live with FBI Whistleblower Kyle Seraphin | TRIGGERED Ep.90
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hey there guys welcome to another huge episode of triggered
We've got an exciting episode for you guys tonight with a lot of breaking news to cover.
I'll also be interviewing FBI whistleblower Kyle Serafin.
Kyle is an individual at the FBI. He was a special agent who served in the agency for six years before blowing...
The whistle on massive corruption inside the FBI. He also now has a show right here on Rumble, so you're not going to want to miss this one.
And hear what he has to say about everything going on within these broken institutions, okay?
This is someone that had the guts to do it.
We hear about that from the door kickers.
We hear about that from the retired agents there, people who are sick and ashamed of what's going on
inside these once lauded agencies. This is a guy that actually did something about it. I'm sure
there was plenty of reprisal. I'm sure there was plenty of attacks. That was definitely not easy,
but we need more people like Kyle out there who are unafraid, who will call out the nonsense that
it's happening. Part of that is actually just being out there with you guys. So make sure you're
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God knows Big Tech isn't going to talk about it.
Half the rhino Republicans in Washington, D.C. are going to cover it up.
They're not going to let this stuff out there.
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So this is gonna be one of those episodes where you actually learn a lot.
We learn about all the inside baseball, how this corruption happens.
I mean, that's why I try to get from some of our guests, we're talking with congressmen
and all these sorts of things and senators.
Yeah, we need someone at the highest levels of these institutions like the FBI talking about this stuff
because the corruption is rampant.
It is disgusting.
It is sick. And we all see it.
And it's only a matter of time until, frankly, it gets turned on us.
Okay? So, speaking of corruption, we now have direct evidence...
Shockingly, you know, because, you know, we've been asked, where's the evidence, right?
They had emails on the wire, yada, yada, yada.
We've never seen more evidence, right?
They didn't ask for any evidence when they led the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax for three and a half to four years, and some continue to run with it to this day.
But we now have evidence that Joe Biden was getting paid from hunters' businesses.
The same businesses that Biden claimed over and over and over again that he knew nothing about.
The media believed him because Joe Biden's...
He was a great guy and an honorable person throughout his life.
You know, despite being a disaster and being known as one of the dumbest people in the history of the United States Senate and despite all the racist things he's said throughout his career and his crackhead son and all...
No, no, no. They went all out to protect him.
But today... The House Oversight Committee released more bank records showing that Joe Biden received direct monthly payments from a business owned by Hunter Biden.
This business, Oswako, received payments directly from China.
So, just so we're clear, our president Was directly benefiting from his family's business deals with the Chinese communists.
Okay? The CCP. He was directly getting paid from those businesses.
And why, you might ask?
Hmm. I wonder.
Don't get caught up in all the media smokescreens telling you this doesn't matter.
Biden lied repeatedly to the American people when he said he knew nothing about Hunter's dealings when, in fact, he was actually getting funds directly from Hunter's businesses, okay?
Again, if this was Donald Trump...
And Donald Trump Jr.
And that happened, it would be a serious problem, folks.
Rightfully so. That never happened.
Thank God.
Frankly, nothing happened, but it didn't stop us getting investigated ad nauseum.
It's time to get this impeachment process moving.
We would not be having this conversation if it was me and Donald Trump, okay, right now.
It would be well underway, because at this time in my father's presidency, I had done, like, 50 hours of testimony.
Like I said, Biden has repeatedly lied to the public about his business dealings.
He claimed he had nothing to do with Hunter's businesses and that Hunter did not do business with China.
All lies.
I've sat for five different depositions with Congress, if you want to count the sham January 6th unselect committee.
Why hasn't Hunter Biden sat for even one deposition?
You'd think the same media that was so sure that we were under the thumb of Russia would care that our president and his son are under the thumb of China and or probably countless other of our enemies.
That we'll probably figure out soon enough.
You would think that that would be a problem, especially with money actually coming from Russia as well to Hunter and Ukraine to Hunter and other corrupt agencies around the world.
It's necessary to get him under oath so we can get to the truth about the Biden crime family.
The Bidens have been getting rich while making you poor, folks.
That's the reality.
They've never contributed anything positive to our economy.
And the economy is so bad that even the Democrats are no longer using the term Bidenomics.
It was always a little bit ludicrous.
Just look at your monthly mortgage rate.
Just look at your monthly grocery bill or your weekly grocery bill or every time you fill up your car.
Look at any reasonable metrics.
Axios reported that the House Democrats told the White House they won't even use the term.
One Democrat, probably under condition of anonymity, told Axios the term was seen as tone deaf to voters still struggling to economically and also invoked the president with lackluster poll numbers.
Really folks, no shit. I'm shocked to hear that.
Americans associate Bidenomics with higher grocery bills, unaffordable mortgage rates, ridiculous inflation, and overall pain and suffering.
So Biden is associated with selling out the country for profits, running our economy into the ground.
Well, what else is he up to, folks?
Well, he's putting American sailors at risk.
This is kind of a big one as well.
On Sunday, a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Canary, was under attack for hours by Houthi terrorists.
The Houthis are an Iranian-backed rebel group in Yemen.
One of the first things Joe Biden did when he took office after my father was to remove the Houthis from the State Department's list of terror organizations.
I wonder why on earth they would do that.
These are not good people, folks.
Now, who knows?
Maybe they put Hunter Biden on a board or backchannel some more funds to the big guy.
10%, 20%, 30%.
Who knows? The Houthis were put there by the Trump administration.
They were put on that list because they're terrorists.
But Democrats actually view MAGA, patriotic Americans, people who believe in putting America first as the real terror threat.
So, of course, they remove the Houthis from the terrorist list and instead focus on grandmas that were somewhere within 1,500 miles of Washington, D.C. on January 6th.
So again, to recap, folks, Biden and his family have been profiting from the Chinese Communist Party.
He's responsible for the worst inflation crisis in a generation.
And he's weak on terrorists.
That's quite a track record.
No wonder Democrats don't want to run on Bidenomics or Biden policy or Biden anything.
But what we have to remember, guys, this isn't just Joe Biden.
This is what the Marxists want.
Because there is no Democrat Party anymore.
It's the Democrats in name only.
They are pushing a radical leftist Marxist or communist ideology.
That's what they all feel.
Joe Biden is their useful idiot because he will sign anything that they want into law.
He will go after patriotic Americans and go lenient and lax on actual terrorists around
the world.
He will put America last while putting China first.
He will get us into never ending wars to please the deep state stooges of Washington DC and
the forever war military industrial complex while sending your kids to go die so that
his buddies can make a couple more bucks.
That is not just Bidenomics or Biden for a policy.
That is today's Democrat Marxist Party.
We have to stop calling them Democrats because that's the reality.
They no longer even remotely resemble the Democrat Party.
They're not even Democrats in name only.
They're so far removed from the realities of what we'd have called traditional Democrat
values.
Because of this awful record, Joe Biden is down bigly, as someone wise once put it, in
the polls.
Real Clear Politics did an analysis last week, and they found that my father is better positioned
in the polls, and I quote, better positioned in the polls to win this election than any
GOP nominee since at least 2004.
Real Clear Politics wrote that if you're willing to set favorites out this far, you should
almost certainly declare Donald Trump the favorite.
Thank you.
That is something that scares Washington, D.C. That is something that scares the military-industrial complex, the uni-party, and the rhino Republicans.
The ones that tell you what you want to hear when they're at home, but then go do the opposite of what their constituents want when they go to D.C. So with Joe Biden on track to lose, Democrats are dusting off their playbooks, folks.
They're bringing out the old favorites.
They're playing the 2016, 2018, 2020 hits.
All over. They've already started weaponizing law enforcement, and now they're back to shouting that my father will be a dictator!
He's gonna be a dictator!
It's like Hitler, folks, and Stalin, and Mao!
If you happen to be in a dentist's room, you know, perhaps waiting for a checkup this month, you'll see that the Atlantic's new issue is completely devoted to this theme.
And Liz Cheney was on the Today Show this morning saying that my father will become president for a life.
Watch this clip and see for yourself.
Try to stay in office beyond a second term?
He would never leave office?
There's no question. You think he would try to stay in power forever?
Absolutely. And yet, in January of 2020, he left office.
Peacefully. You know, I know we heard all of the narrative about January 6th and all of that nonsense, and the star witness of the Democrats today, I believe, had to revise about 19 or 20 pages of her sworn transcript because she lied.
Minor details. But this is what's going on.
The Washington Post is doing the exact same thing.
He's going to be dictator for life.
Name a place where we weren't better off under Trump, where we weren't more free, where we didn't have more disposable income, where jobs weren't plentiful, where wars weren't fewer, or being ended.
These people are desperate, and they're liars.
If I describe to you a president that uses the police to arrest the leader of the opposition party, you would tell me that I'm describing a dictatorship, the same dictatorship that Liz Cheney Again, the Washington Post, the Atlantic, and the other liberal, shill, radical, insane magazines would describe.
And yet, it seems sort of odd, right?
Because there's only one party doing that.
Liberals are all about projection.
They censor. They lock you up.
They try to shut down their opponents in any way, shape, or form.
That somehow makes them the defenders of democracy in their minds.
And yet, if you looked it up in the dictionary, you'd see that that is exactly what a dictator would do.
Joe Biden, his weaponized FBI, his weaponized DOJ, going after patriotic Americans, going after the political opposition, that is a dictatorship.
We are living under that right now under Democrat rule.
The New York Times and The Atlantic are telling us that a second Trump term would be radical and a threat.
Do any normal people actually agree?
Are low interest rates, low inflation, higher wages, no new wars?
I mean, are those things that people are actually afraid of?
I don't think so, folks.
These scare tactics won't work because people are seeing it every day.
The lies.
The advantages they took under COVID. They can't weaponize that anymore because so many people are getting crushed.
They no longer believe the nonsense.
That's why today Kyle is the perfect guest today to discuss all of this insanity.
He blew the whistle on how the FBI targeted parents at school board meetings.
That's what dictators do.
Concerned parents Who don't want their children being indoctrinated with wokeness, with DEI, with BLM propaganda.
those in the eyes of today's law enforcement are true terror threats.
Not actual terror threats, not the people who actually commit terrorism
or people who are on terror watch lists, no, no, no.
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So with that, and joining me now, former FBI special agent, FBI whistleblower, host of the Kyle Serafin Show right here on Rumble, is the man himself, Kyle Serafin.
So, Kyle, thank you so much for joining here today.
What you did is so important, right?
So many of the people that watch this show, you know, hey, what can we do I mean, you were in the ultimate position to do something.
I mean, you took probably great risk to your career, yourself, you know, and beyond.
Talk about, you know, how you got there.
You know, I hear it. I mentioned it in sort of the intro monologue, talking about the amount of retired FBI agents that come up to me and say, what's going on right now is an embarrassment.
It's a tarnish on my badge.
It's a this, that, and the other. But At the same time, very few people are actually out there doing something about it.
How did you get there that you were able to do it?
Well, I guess the first thing is that I was older than a lot of my classmates when I joined and I went to the academy.
I was 35 when I showed up, so I had a life experience that was in my rearview mirror that I could actually mirror things against.
That was number one. I've worked other jobs.
I've worked in the private sector.
Most of my life was actually working in the private sector.
I spent time running a restaurant when I was in Kansas City, and I worked in a sales job, and I went door to door and pounded the pavement, and I've dialed for dollars.
And I've done things that regular people do all the time to make a living.
And so I spent time in the military after that.
I worked in finance just before I went into the military.
I did a whole bunch of these little jobs that by the time I got to Quantico...
I thought it would be really nice if I could do 20 years and retire from that job, but I accepted the possibility that that wouldn't exist.
And within the first week of being at the FBI Academy, I was already sort of let down with the way that it operated.
It wasn't the elite organization.
And I wasn't surrounded by the best of the best, like you see in like a, you know,
like a men in black movie where, you know, what is it?
Will Smith gets there and kind of laughs at the guys that are all with honors kind of guys.
Yeah. There's a lot of really good people in the FBI that I met, but at the same time,
there's also a lot of mediocrity.
And the thing that many people sort of have a hard time getting around is that the FBI is not run by FBI agents.
And if they understood that, it would help them understand it even better.
This is actually sort of the argument about what the deep state is.
It kind of is like looking at an organization with 36,000 people, 14,000 of them carry a gun.
They're in the minority. And even if the majority of those people are relatively conservative or libertarian and they want civil liberties, they're already outnumbered from the get-go.
And I was one of those people. I believed in libertarian ideas.
I was an American patriot.
I served their country because I thought I had something to give.
And when I showed up at the Bureau, I wanted to do the same thing.
And so I'd already seen what an illegal order looked like by serving in the military, and I'd been briefed on that.
You get this really good training, actually, at the FBI Academy going to the American Holocaust Museum, which is in Washington, D.C., and they teach you That the only way that real totalitarian states exist, you were talking about it in your opening monologue, the only way that these things happen is if good people who are doing the day-to-day work as law enforcement officers don't throw the BS flag when it comes their way.
They have to put a stop to it.
And if you don't do that, then you're complicit.
And so I wasn't going to be complicit.
I got myself kind of in a weird space when that happened.
I knew my career was probably over by going public.
And interestingly enough, I think God kind of puts us in a space where sometimes you're not raised enough in a game of poker of life.
You're not given enough opportunity to do the right thing if it's just one.
But I had two things happen at the same time.
Number one, the Biden administration pushed forward a very, very nasty and pretty manipulative mandate for COVID vaccines in the EO, it was the executive order, 14043.
So they made everybody a decision for those chips right there.
And I said no. I'd already had COVID the year before.
I was not going to do it.
And I'm a pro-life Catholic, and that was one of my original stances.
And then within a few days of that, I get this email saying that the FBI is going to investigate parents at school board meetings.
And that was a no-go. But it also was really the issue that it looked like the Attorney General had committed perjury.
And that's what I actually brought to Congress.
It wasn't so much that we're not allowed to look at parents, because there are conditions where you can.
But if the Attorney General gets up and says, we're not going to use counterterrorism resources to look at our parents at school boards, and then sends an email from the Assistant Director of Counterterrorism, that's a big problem to me as just a frontline guy, somebody who just knows what balls and strikes are.
So that's what I brought to Congress, and that turned out to be a death knell for my career.
Yeah, I mean, and yet it feels like every other whistleblower that's out there.
I mean, if there was a whistleblower that said, you know, Donald Trump said Merry Christmas, it would be, you know, national news, and they would be protected at all costs, and they'd have a job for life, whether they actually were competent or credible or not, it wouldn't matter.
I have a feeling, like so many other things, you know, our two-tiered system of justice was probably different to you and or some of your colleagues that also spoke out about what's going on there.
Yeah, I mean, the Bureau is a really strange animal.
It's not monolithic, but there is a sort of a swampy texture to it, and particularly where I was originally serving.
So I spent five years at the Washington field office.
And in those five years, I got more than five years worth of experience.
I've had some sort of Bureau defenders, the leftist sycophants types, the bootlickers for government come to you and they go like, well, you're only there six years.
What do you know? Well, let me tell you what I did.
I spent two years doing counterintelligence, where we basically spied on Americans using illegal tools.
And that was a real problem.
and I brought that up when it happened. It just turned out that I didn't bring it up at a very
high level. You do things inside the chain of command, kind of the way that I learned in the
military, until you don't. I mean, at some point you just have to step outside of it.
So I saw some things that were there that were pretty troubling, particularly abuse of FISA 702
in the way that it is used to reverse target. Of course, while I was at the Washington field
office, they were conducting the crossfire hurricane investigation. So that's pretty wild.
So that all happened there. And I had cases that had like Peter Struck's name on it,
that Andy McCabe, you know, used to be the direct supervisor of some of my friends,
and he wasn't very well thought of by my buddies.
So that tells you the kind of crowd that I run in.
They're not the kind of crowd that ends up in FBI management.
They're usually the guys that are on the front line trying to do the right thing and getting screwed.
So that's fun. And when you see that go down, you realize that, yeah, you're going to get treated a little bit differently.
I also spent three years on a counterterrorism surveillance squad where we saw everything all over the country.
We got shipped all over the country.
I did 20 plus different what we call deployments, two weeks at a time, to field offices all around the United States.
So I saw more offices than most FBI agents will ever see.
And I did it in those three years.
I spent thousands of hours on surveillance.
I interacted with Senior management there and case managers and saw how they ran counterterrorism cases from white supremacy, which is mostly made up, up all the way to like real problems like, you know, foreign fighters and people that have sworn allegiance to ISIS and Al-Qaeda.
And you go like, okay, well, that's what we should be focusing on.
Why are we looking at parents at school boards, veterans?
Why are we looking at people like Mike Glover, who is a retired Green Beret, and calling him, you know, a potential domestic terrorist when we've got real scumbags out there?
And it turns out The FBI is kind of lazy, too.
What it likes to do is like to invent these cases.
And anybody who saw the movie Police State, which was just premiered at Miralago and obviously just had Dinesh on the other day, you know, that's the story.
The story is that a lot of this stuff is manufactured, which is pretty crazy.
Well, I mean, it certainly feels like that, right?
I mean, you can think of all of them, but I mean, you know, but it's also not, it's also very real, right?
You have, you know, the DOJ, they want all the access to, you know, anyone who likes a tweet from Trump.
I mean, that could be like 100 million Americans or even shared it or interacted with.
Are they all now on a list?
You have all the lapses.
You know, the black supremacist who drove through a Christmas parade.
You know, I understand it was the car that drove through the parade.
It wouldn't be if he was wearing a MAGA hat and was white, but, you know, minor details.
That guy was on a list.
The shooter up in Maine was on a list, but they're not actually watching them, and yet you hear about literally grandmothers being interviewed.
You see the insanity of what you knew was coming in the Michigan Gretchen Whitmer, you know...
The meth addicts were going to do it.
After 12 years of them being goaded into doing something, maybe they're going to finally do something about Gretchen Whitmer.
Oh, we got you now.
I mean, it's literally...
They feel more like a terrorist organization to me.
And again, I do make the distinction like you sort of clearly did, which is between
the door kickers who are sort of patriotic Americans trying to do right, and the guys
that are able to excel in the bureaucracy.
If you're the good door kicker, you'll stay in that position.
If they think you're conservative, you'll stay in that position.
If you won't take the vax, they'll move you to guard something in Guam, and you'll never
get ahead.
If you believe that men should be competing in women's sports, you'll probably be the
director in a couple of weeks.
How bad is that aspect of it?
Because it does feel like every act that's been committed was by someone on a list.
Now, maybe they're just watching the entire country at this point, but certainly everyone that has ever been even remotely conservative or watched the show or yours or whatever it may be, how bad is it?
Well, it's bad. It's definitely bad.
But we should be really fair, I think, when we talk about it.
Your dad actually had the right instinct, which is to say staying out of things that are local matters.
And the FBI is really bad about doing this because they're all trying to get funding and they're trying to get, you know, more watch list capabilities.
And that means that they can write more term papers and put more people out there and justify more funding.
It's the self-licking ice cream cone in Washington, D.C. The instinct to leave it to the states is actually the right answer.
And it was the answer that should have been the case.
Unfortunately, a lot of the states did the wrong thing when it came to COVID tyranny and things like that.
But the right answer is always less government and certainly more local government.
The Bureau has a lot of people that are on lists.
And that could happen. You're probably on the list.
I know I'm on a list. I'm on every list, just so we're clear.
I'm on every freaking list.
Some troll in your chat could make a call about something that you and I are talking about right now.
They could call the FBI's tip line and they could make that and you end up being investigated under what's called the eGuardian system.
And so a lot of these characters end up on the eGuardian system, but I would say, I don't know, maybe 90% or higher of those calls are people with mental illness that are calling in or they're reporting people that have mental illness or they're self-reports.
And it's not a federal issue.
It's not really federal jurisdiction to get involved in that.
And so if that is the case, we actually want less involved FBI sort of interference.
So it's really hard for us because we can see that there's a lot of failures and I can hold them accountable for claiming that they're going to do something and failing at it.
I think that's fair. But if we think that everybody that's been reported to the FBI should be investigated by the FBI, we're going down a really dark rabbit hole because we're asking for totalitarianism even faster.
And so part of the difficulty with being a conservative, I think, is that you sort of have to have these principles
and you're the only one in the game who does because the Democrats don't seem to have them
and the leftists that are the extremists certainly don't have them.
But we really have to be like, freedom is kind of dangerous and we're willing to take on our own risk.
And that's why you should be, you know, like someone who owns a firearm and be proficient with it
and do things to keep yourself physically fit and mentally fit and have that situation.
No, no, I'm told that physical fitness is now white supremacy.
That's correct.
Not being a fat blob, being able to, you know, do some pull-ups and, you know, run a six minute mile.
That's apparently now white supremacy because they want you fat, they want you weak,
they want you in need of the next shot or whatever it is.
I mean, it's ludicrous, you know.
But, you know, how do you address, you know, the credibility crisis inside the FBI, right?
You blew the whistle on the misuse of, you know, and targeting parents.
That, to me, would mean, you know, half the country being conservative would say, okay...
I could no longer call the FBI. I'd have a hard time actually picking up the phone.
If I saw something going on right now, that it was like, hey, am I going to blame this part of this?
Am I going to be targeted because of all of that?
But you also exposed the FBI's Richmond office for targeting Catholics.
Now, they would never even in their right minds think of targeting Catholics.
Muslims in America, or probably the sleeper cells that are coming across our southern border, I would imagine, daily at this point, they would never do that.
But what was your experience at the FBI that that sort of politicized law enforcement?
I mean, it's happening before your very eyes.
I mean, how many people just capitulate and do this?
Is there anyone else speaking up?
There are. There's a small group of them.
We kind of have this lapel pin here that we call ourselves the Suspendables, which is kind of our little token brand.
It started off as a joke. We wrote a letter to Chris Ray, and the New York Times, of all people, ran with it.
So when the paper of record calls you out and calls you by name, I guess you take yourself seriously.
It was literally a joke between me and my friends, like Steven Friend and Gerardo Boyle and George Hill,
who you may have seen testifying.
Like all these guys went in front of Congress.
And the joke was sort of like, we should start a mercenary company
of people who have some ethics.
And we'd be like Sylvester Stallone's expendables, but we're the suspendables
because we all lost our jobs at our clearance.
That was the joke.
That's who's doing it right now.
You mentioned earlier the crisis and credibility and you mentioned the door kickers
and how there are people on the front lines that are actually doing the work
and theoretically they're doing the thing that you can be respectful of.
Those are the guys that raided Miralago.
Okay, those are the guys who went through your dad's house.
Those are the guys who actually went down.
It was door kickers that did that.
It was people that were on the front lines that arrested Mark Haupt,
who was a pro-life Catholic up in the Philadelphia area.
It was FBI agents who are on the front lines that are doing all of the January 6th investigations.
These are not supervisors that are running them and supervisors doing the arrests.
The MAGA grandmas that are getting arrested are getting arrested by everyday guys
who are at the same pay grade that I came out of, the GS13 and maybe even earlier.
And if that is the case, if that is who is doing all the arrests, then we are not safe with that.
We have no safety from the good people doing the right thing because they're not doing it.
And I think everybody that's had an opportunity to come forward and saw malfeasance, which are a lot of people, because I saw it and all my friends saw it, and we didn't even know each other when we worked together.
You know, I didn't know Steve Friend, even though he knew what was wrong.
I didn't know Garrett O'Boyle until it was too late and we were both on our way out the door, but he knew what was wrong.
He'd been an agent for a couple years.
Steve had been for a couple more than me.
So it was all these people 10 years or less that kind of looked at it and went, I was a cop.
I was in the military. I know right from wrong.
This is wrong. I'm not going to do it.
Everybody else is looking at it like my boss, my actual boss in New Mexico.
Came to me and he said, he said, I agree with you in principle about your stance on the vaccine.
And he knew what I had done as far as the whistleblower activity, although he claimed not to.
And he said, I agree with you in principle, but I have a mortgage and I have alimony and I've got two and a half years to retirement.
And that is the thing that we are up against.
We are up against what Dan Bongino and I call the golden handcuffs.
It's a fairly common expression.
Once you're on the back end of 10 years in a 20-year career where you get to retire, it's a good retirement.
The benefits are good. You can go and take a good job somewhere else and you can keep working because you're probably 50 to 55 years old.
So that's what we're up against.
And that is really the real problem with evil is that it doesn't masquerade with this villainous face.
Yeah, no, you're right.
Again, I always make that disclaimer because you sort of feel like you have to.
And I know so many guys that are good, but you're right.
And I've said it actually in the past.
After Mar-a-Lago, that was one where I'm like, hey, man, I keep making the disclaimer, but...
God, you're making it hard for me to give you the disclaimer.
And I get that, I'm blessed, I'm lucky, I'm not beholden to a governmental agency that's
going to fire me and I make my living elsewhere.
So I get that it ain't easy, but there is a point where you do have to say, okay, well
life isn't easy.
You think our life has been easy once we got into politics.
They're trying to throw my father in jail for 1,000 years and or the death penalty.
That's not easy. New York wants to sue us for a billion dollars and trying to get rid of our businesses that my father grew over 50 years and that I spent the last 25 years trying to build.
That's not easy either.
And again, I get that I'm in a different financial situation.
I'm blessed with that. It's why when I talk about inflation and stuff like that, I'd be like, Hey man, if I know that it sucks and feel that it sucks, it may not change the way I behave, but imagine what the average American is feeling.
But you're right. You get to a point where it's hard to give them the past because if they know better, they see it, they understand, not even that they don't agree with their superiors, but that, hey, these things are actually illegal.
If people actually knew about how far it's gone, heads would roll in Washington, D.C. We're getting to that point where it's starting to become unforgivable.
It is. And, you know, to find out that you're in your 40s and your 50s, that's what the guys were talking about here, have the seniority and the time in to be able to do something about it.
To find out that your honor is worth a maximum on the GS scale of $175,000 a year.
Like, that's good money.
That's good money in America.
You can live and you can raise a family on it, but nobody is like running around and, you know,
and driving a jet in that kind of money.
That's just, that's a job that you could get somewhere else or you may have to, or you may have to, you know,
make less, but you don't have to live in Washington DC either, so you can go somewhere else and live cheaper.
The idea that you would basically sacrifice your honor for a six figure amount of money
and a low six figure one at that.
That's really sad to me.
It's actually, I've told my friends when they come out and they get destroyed by the Bureau,
you start off angry like anybody would because they took your job, they took your livelihood.
They made my wife cry for weeks and weeks on end.
She put herself to sleep in tears.
And that's one of those things as a husband, it doesn't matter how much money you have.
That's one of those unforgivable moments where you look and you go, look what you've done to my family
and you evil bastards are gonna pay at some point.
But if you look at it in a broader context and you take a little bit of grace with it,
you think how...
How pathetic and how much pity should I have for somebody that's willing to sell out everything that they know is right and they're willing to give in for that small amount of money?
That is not enough money to sell your honor for.
I mean, even the Joe Biden, you know, millions, a couple of million dollars is what you would sell out this entire country for and everybody in it.
That seems like a real problem to me.
So the idea that you do it for $175,000 or $150,000, it's just truly sad.
It's worthy of pity, it turns out.
So how did you get there, right?
Because you're right. Again, if you're capable enough, and again, I know guys in the FBI, I know obviously a lot of guys from the Secret Service.
These guys are college educated, often with master's degrees and stuff like that.
You're right. With that level of education, with the credentials that it would take to be able to get to that level, you're right.
It's not an irreplaceable job.
So then you're just talking about sort of apathy or perhaps laziness of even, you know, trying to do something else.
You know, so how do you get more people to sort of figure that out?
And again, it sort of goes with everything the Democrats are trying to, you know, they want you dependent, right?
It's why the border's open.
They need people who will be dependent on them who require their government assistance because if they're independent, you know, all of a sudden, you know, the bill of goods they're selling really isn't that good at all.
You know, how do you get more people to do that?
I mean, obviously, I think These days, probably the newer classes, the guys that are in for three, four, five years, probably not that appealing.
Because I imagine, you know, a lot more sort of DEI, woke nonsense being hired in there.
A lot less guys that are people that could even become door kickers, even if you train them well, right?
You know... Can you lean on the guys that are closer to retirement where they do retire and say, oh, by the way, here's the list of what's going on for the last five years where they've locked in their retirement, they're out, and they can start saying something about it because you'd think that'd be easy.
Or after 20 years, are they just sort of complicit in their company men and the company can be doing a lot of wrong and they're just going to let it go?
I think the latter is a big chunk of it, unfortunately.
I think it's just human nature that if you came up from 25 or 28 years old and the only job you knew for the last two decades was this thing, and the biggest sin in the Bureau is not doing the wrong thing.
It's embarrassing the Bureau, which is what my big sin was.
I embarrassed the Bureau by going public with some of the dirty laundry.
So if you do that, you're excommunicado.
That's what they do to you. They want to destroy you.
Now there are guys who have retired who have dirt on what went on in the FBI.
We know for a fact that people that were working in the Washington field office knew that they
were removed from their jobs on the election fraud task force.
They were specifically removed.
Why?
Because they had multiple kids and were likely conservative and therefore by proxy assumed
to be Trump voters.
If that is the case and they're still scared after being retired, after getting a pension,
which by the way doesn't come from the FBI, it comes from the Office of Personnel Management.
OPM pays your pension. If you're still scared the Bureau's going to come and get you, if that boogeyman still lives in your closet even after you lived outside of it and you turned on the lights, then I don't know how to fix you.
And I also, like I said, I pity you, but you're kind of looking at it...
The answer has to push like this.
What sort of country do you want to retire into and spend that pension in?
Do you want to spend it while your kids are locked up and are facing tyranny and that we've done the things that we've done in the last two years?
If you consider what has happened to your family, and I say that very – it's a strange moment to you and even be speaking to me, but here I am looking at it from the outside.
And I think how far the goalposts have moved on what they have done to your family specifically
and what they have done to every president's family before you that's never happened.
We are setting new and unprecedented lows for the judicial system, like basically on a weekly basis.
And for that to happen and it to be like the normalcy of it and the reason is orange man bad,
which is a nauseating, stupid phrase that we use over and over again, because there's no way to explain
how dumb it is, what we're dealing with.
It is the dumbest, most knee jerk paranoia.
You mentioned it in the opening, but you talked about how, you know,
they said he was never gonna leave the White House.
You know how I know he was going to leave? Because he did, because we already saw it happen, and it didn't happen that way.
So everything you say after the fact is irrelevant.
That's how facts work.
No, but he told someone who told someone who told someone 50 degrees telephone game, you know, that he was never going to leave.
It's like, so does, you know, the rumor and innuendo, and again, I know that rumor and innuendo is fact if it goes against Trump, but like, does that actually...
Dispel actual actions.
Like, I mean, it seems like it wouldn't.
It seems, you know, I did a whole thing, you know, just the weekend talking about, you know, in America, you are, especially if you're a conservative, right, you are guilty until proven innocent.
And that, the basic tenets of our republic are being thrown out the window and our constitution, frankly, you know, to satisfy that gain because the reality doesn't actually matter.
It's whatever the narrative is, even if reality dispels that and proves it incorrect.
I mean, we used to deal cases like this, threat cases, where you would be able to go dispositively and say,
this is nonsense, I don't have to worry about it.
Here's how I know.
Fill in the blank, subject A said he was gonna go shoot up a school on November 14th.
I look at my watch, oh, it's December 4th, that is after November 14th,
and he didn't shoot up that school.
I just now got the lead.
I probably can be pretty assured that he is not going to shoot up a school on November 14th.
Now, I'll go interview the guy, and I'll go talk to him, but the assumption is that he's not going to do the thing he said because he didn't do the thing he said on the day that he said he would do it.
Well, that doesn't even matter anymore, Kyle.
I mean, they did that to me. They subpoenaed my emails for Russia, Russia, Russia, and they changed the date.
I assume that's Adam Schiff or someone else, but that was the House Intelligence Committee.
I mean, the Intelligence Committee, probably the highest level in the House in terms of access and classification in this.
And if you take a four and you put a one in front of it, You take that date and you turn it from the 4th into the 10th.
So it seems... Or you get rid of the 1.
You know, so they can take the 14th and make it the 4th.
So all of a sudden, it looks like you had something before an incident.
Let's say it happened on the 8th.
And that's what happened with me.
They said, well, you had the WikiLeaks email...
Six days before, four days before they happen.
But no, it's because they deleted the one in the email.
We're like, well, what are you talking about?
Here's the email. They conveniently delete that.
They leak that to their friendly sources at CNN and MSDNC. They do it selectively on a Friday night.
They call you at 1139 with comment, and their deadline's 1142.
So they know you're going to be sleeping.
They run with it all weekend.
The walls are closing in.
We've got them now.
You know, it turns out to be bullshit and you get a retraction.
By the way, you don't even get a retraction.
Three of the times the walls were closing in on me, I mean, if you'd Google it, the story's still up as though it actually happened, even though it's been proven not to have.
Like, you know, factually, because it doesn't matter anymore.
Yeah, the upside to all of this, which is a downside for our country, it's a downside for our children, it's a downside for the world at large, but the upside is that a lot of people had a wake-up moment when whatever went on in the mainstream media, and I think all this was designed to get your dad out of office, it seemed like, as somebody who was living in Washington, D.C. at the time, sort of under duress.
But as I'm sitting there, you see that they are doing all this concerted effort and people
were going like, that's actually impossible for you to even know that you're running a
death counter on CNN on how many people have died from COVID.
And we don't even have stats from two years ago.
Like, how in the hell do you know what if you get hit by a bus, you also died of COVID.
I mean, you know, if you had a minor cold and got hit by a bus, that was a COVID death
because, you know, the hospitals were able to grift it and everyone was making money.
And again, as whatever it takes to make the death toll higher.
I mean, when you look at sort of the death count, I'm not saying it wasn't real for some
people, certainly with those with preexisting conditions, but that didn't stop us from shutting
down the lives of our children in school and all these people that we knew statistically
were almost, almost not even remotely susceptible to these things.
That didn't matter because Orange Man Bed and anything we could do to weaponize against him, we're going to do.
It didn't matter if it was true.
Of course the Wuhan virus leaked from the Wuhan lab that studied the exact virus in question.
And yet... If you were a person who was a doctor, if you were a virologist on television and you said that, you lost all your government funding, you were thrown out of tenure, you lost your job, similar to what they would do to you.
But, like, of course it was.
Like, when was that not the most plausible answer?
And it doesn't matter because we live in clown world.
And the intelligence community knew it right up front.
They knew it right away. They knew it right at the time of because that's what they do.
That's their job. If people don't understand what the intel community is and where its power come from, the pharmaceuticals and the banking industry, they get power because they have money and they can move money around and that causes things to happen.
The Intel community has information, which may be more valuable than money,
and it can do a lot of things with it by either keeping it or releasing it and so on.
But its entire stock and trade, the only value that it provides to the federal government is,
you give us money and capabilities and resources, and we give you intelligence,
which is going to be vetted against certain scale, and we're going to tell you whether it's
probable or improbable or highly unlikely or very likely that things happen.
So they give you an assessment along with some Intel, and you can do a lot of things with it.
And I know people in the White House knew this as well, and you can only say so much because
it's classified, and some of the things you want to protect, like your sources that may be in China
and so on, so be it. But at the end of the day, the Intel community was basically allowing,
and particularly the FBI, they were pushing down things on us when they knew that they
were factually inaccurate, and then they went and played along with Joe Biden's regime,
which was the worst thing for me. It wasn't that I got stabbed in the back by the bureau,
by people in the bureau that looked me in the eye and said, you're doing the wrong thing,
and I think you're a bad person. It was people that said, you need to get this shot because
Lee Loftus, some unelected bureaucrat, has decided that he's going to enforce something,
even though there's active litigation right now, and it is most likely going to be found to be
unconstitutional, as it eventually was. All those mandates got rolled back,
and they withdrew them like cowards.
It's not like they stuck to him and said, oh, we have courage of our conviction.
So all this stuff was being done.
The American people got to see it.
They watched them move the goalposts in real time.
And the upside for all of us, as bad as all this stuff is, is that so many people are watching the bullshit roll out right now and they just go, nope.
I'm, their readers.
By the way, I think we actually needed that, right?
saw the same thing. The Intel community, 52 former intelligence aides say that
Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation. Like, you know, you know
how I knew it wasn't disinformation? Because Hunter Biden wasn't out there
actually saying it himself. He let them do it and there was a presumption that
it was going to be accurate because they're going to do that. You know, just
like I look at, you know, hey, whatever, you know, whatever they're selling, you
know, the new speaker of the house, you know, no, I've looked at the
intelligence. So we got to fund Ukraine and get ourselves into a never ending war.
I'm like, no, dude, that intelligence is propaganda.
They're giving you what they want to get to the answer that they want.
They're perpetuating whatever it is that they need to happen.
And maybe there's some truth in some of it, something.
But if there is a corollary to what they want, and that's part of the information,
that's gonna be left out.
That's gonna be carved out of that assessment.
And so, perhaps the good thing about what we call Trump derangement syndrome,
but the insanity is that they took it too far.
It wasn't a little lies.
It wasn't little this, it wasn't, oh, well, that's not a big deal.
They wouldn't let you go to your parents' funeral.
They wouldn't let you go visit a dying child in a hospital because of nonsense.
It was all based on lies.
We know it's lies because Fauci's emails are a direct contradiction to everything he told
the American public on television.
One, when he's talking to other doctors and professionals.
Now, he tells them to shut up, you can't talk about it publicly, but it was all a lie.
We know that now.
At the time, it's harder because you don't know that.
You've got to listen to those guys. I mean, if Trump didn't initially listen to them, they would have impeached them on the spot for killing every American, even the ones that got hit by buses.
But it went so far that hopefully people now get it.
Yeah, I mean, here's the fun thing.
If people want to know how much people have gotten it, just look at the uptake on the booster shots.
It's not very high. Because people went like, well, whatever you were telling us, that turned out to be not very useful information.
And I'm going to make my, quietly, make my decision differently.
The old analogy is always the frog in a pot of boiling water.
You start it at lukewarm, you put the frog in, then you slowly turn it up until he boils to death.
But what they did is they actually went from like lukewarm and then they bumped up the degrees and it went 15 or 20 degrees in a half second.
And we all saw it and we went like, man, it's really getting hot in here.
And so then everyone started going, why is it getting hot?
Well, it looks like someone turned the fire underneath this pot here.
So we were dealing with an America that they played the hand too strong for what they had.
I think that was the case, whether it be the leftist, you know, lunatics that exist out there, whether it be the media that sort of, you know, sucks up to that sort of side of the world.
And all of those things happened at the exact moment.
The bad result was, is that for the last two years, we've watched our 401ks tumble and gas prices go up and the cost of a mortgage is very disgusting.
And my wife and I had to sell our house because I lost my job with the FBI. And so I had to sell my house.
And now I'm looking back into the real estate market and I go like, man, This doesn't look really good.
Maybe I should rent for a while, but I can't really rent as easily when you look at places that don't have a lot of rental properties and you got four kids.
So when you're looking out in the world, it's objectively worse financially than it was two years ago.
But the upside for me is, is I go, at least people are waking up.
And when I talk to strangers and they've heard of what I've talked about and they know that the FBI was investigating Catholics, but they're not Catholic.
And they know that they investigated parents at school board meetings, even if they don't know my name.
Yeah. That's kind of indicating.
I mean, there's a lot of people out there that know what's going on.
And then there's some people that will always be asleep and you'll never wake them up.
And that's okay, too. I'm not speaking to them.
I just want to have people that are listening and say, are you credible?
Is the message reasonable? Can we fix this thing?
And is it better to have people who love America and disagree about politics and how we spend our money than say that you're a bad person and you're a white supremacist because you want to do fitness and you love what the red, white and blue stand for?
Yeah, no. Again, there are people you're never going to win over because they have been so brainwashed.
I mean, you know, whether it was...
And you saw that. You saw that during COVID-19.
I mean, the amount of people that I thought were sort of, you know, freedom-loving, you know, they folded real quick and capitulated real quickly to everything and just, you know, that's a problem.
So you're not going to win everyone over.
Hopefully you educate them or their children enough.
But, you know, we're up against a lot because all of those institutions have been taken over.
I mean... Listen, you've been at the center of so much of this because, I mean, you also blew the whistle on how the FBI literally named veterans as, you know, militia violent extremists.
I mean... You're a veteran yourself.
Talk about how the FBI targeted veterans.
Because, again, you're like, oh, come on.
They targeted a couple people that were radicals at school boards.
I have a feeling it was a lot more than a couple people.
It was probably just people talking about that indoctrination.
If you don't go along with DEI, if you're a parent that doesn't want a teacher to decide that your six-year-old should get a transgender...
Let's call it, in their words, gender-affirming.
I think it's ridiculous, but whatever.
Gender-affirming surgery without parental consent.
You're literally a terrorist.
You then figure out they're doing the same thing to Catholics.
I'm not aware of too many practicing Catholics that have committed any acts of terror in the United States.
Maybe there's someone, but I imagine they weren't really practicing Catholics that the FBI I was looking at it, but talk about what they're actually doing as well, going after veterans and or grouping all veterans into a potential terrorist militia, because that seems insane to me.
It's truly insane. It's not the first time they did this, by the way.
They've done this before. This has been a move because veterans represent sort of a dangerous contingency of capabilities in the American populace.
They're, generally speaking, people who either have training or experience in going to war and going and doing the things that the U.S. government kind of claims that it's involved in, which is spreading our democratic system and defending the republic in the way that we should.
So when you take a bunch of people that love freedom, that signed a blank check to this country for freedom— And they think that that's what's important.
They also tend to know how to use guns and own them.
So here's what's really wild. And this is the progression as it went out.
I exposed the thing that goes on about the parents, the school board meetings.
Like I said, my allegation was that Merrick Garland committed perjury.
I wish that somebody would act on it.
They still can. He still committed perjury.
It's not too old. So that's one thing they could do.
I get thrown out of the office.
I get thrown out without pay Through all of December and January and February, I get to come back in on March because of the State of the Union address, and suddenly Joe Biden changed the rules.
They let me come back in for six weeks.
They give me no cases.
They transfer me to a national security squad.
They call me a threat to the country as an internal threat or an insider threat.
And then they remove my badge and my gun in April 2022.
And that's when it gets started for me.
And I'm getting to your point right here, because what happens after that is I lost my job.
I lost my income. I lost my security clearance, which was the precursor.
That's the prerequisite to be able to be an FBI agent.
So once that's out, they don't have to worry about firing me.
They literally left me on an unpaid suspension for a year, and they considered me an employee.
They said I couldn't tell people I was an FBI employee.
They said I couldn't collect a paycheck.
I had no benefits. I had no authority.
But I'm an FBI employee, so I'm subject to their rules.
So I've lost everything that matters, and I'm also told I can't do anything.
This is why many whistleblowers never go public.
They're underneath either non-disclosures or they think they might get their job back.
And luckily for me, and luckily I guess for the country in some ways, I've got a spouse that's 100% in my corner, knew right away what was going on, and she was like, okay, well, we don't have that job.
We're going to have to get another one. I said, we're going to have to sell the house.
She said, yes. When that happened, people started coming to me in the FBI and bringing me disclosures, whistleblower disclosures, including the militia violent extremist one.
So what they did is somebody who was a veteran, who fought in overseas wars, who has brothers
and sisters that have died, who goes to funerals and spends time and sends money and sends
wreaths to Arlington National Cemetery, saw that document, thought it was atrocious, knew
that it was an affront to the dignity of the people that have served this country, and
sent it to me en route to Congress.
And so I did that.
We also made it public.
It ended up in the hands of Project Veritas, got very public in that way.
And so suddenly people realize that the thing that they have that is either on their t-shirt,
like many of us have, or hanging on a flag in their gymnasium, like a, you know, Gadsden
flag or a, you know, a Don't Shred On Me or a Gonzales 1835 battle flag, or like Ted Cruz
had on his boot, which was amazing, or it's even tattooed on their body, like so many
veterans have done.
Those people are now potentially domestic violent extremists under the militia violent
extremist tag.
That was a, is a call to arms in many ways.
And then they did the same thing.
They doubled down on the stupidity.
They keep doing it.
They did the same thing by saying that certain election crimes, which was simply spreading
what they called mis- or disinformation, were in fact felonies when they are not.
So that was false.
And then suddenly we get this thing in January showing that they're targeting the Catholic Church.
And not just any Catholics, by the way, Don.
We're not talking about your average Mass goer who goes to the Novus Ordem and they're used to hearing the Mass in their own native tongue.
We're talking about people that went to Latin Mass.
These are the most conservative, the most non-bothersome people.
They wear veils. Oftentimes the women wear veils.
These are very traditional.
They're a very small group of people inside the Catholic Church.
They're the opposite of what a domestic terrorist looks like, other than they're radically conservative,
I guess.
And so now people are looking at it and going, why are you going after these Catholics?
What are you trying to accomplish?
And it's my contention, this is why I wrote the piece that I did, that they were actually
trying to pry bar their way in, not just to Catholics, and not even just to Christianity,
but to all conservatives, because the reason they said these Catholics were potentially
white supremacists and therefore terrorists was because they didn't like an LGBTQ agenda,
number one.
They thought the border should be closed, which is apparently a radical traditionalist Catholic move.
And, you know, they didn't want their kids indoctrinated with this DEI woke sort of CRT nonsense.
And they don't like abortion.
You mean basically like America 10 years ago before this stuff became so pervasive?
Like, you know, basically anything that was the foundation of this country is all of a
sudden a major problem, enough to get you on a terror watch list.
I mean, because again, you may not like that.
You may, you know, want people to be more inclusive of LGBT. I mean, that's fine.
I don't know that that's the government place to tell people that they must do this.
And I think that's the problem is that because it's become, you know, everything's so mandated, you must believe that someone who chopped their dick off seven minutes ago is a woman and they should be able to be, you know, they could have been a male weightlifter and they should be able to compete against the women and we should laud them for their bravery, you know. It's ridiculous.
Like, when do we say enough is enough?
And I guess those people have said enough is enough.
Or, you know, they didn't even do that.
They said, we're just not going to acknowledge it.
We're not going to, you know, humor this crap.
And, you know, that lands you on the list.
The scariest thing is that the federal government has a duty.
I always tell people about the oath, and that's really kind of my big push here.
It's the reason why I wear sort of a replica of the FBI's badge, but it's upside down, in the same way that many people fly the American flag upside down.
We're a country under duress.
We're an agency that we saw in the FBI that's under duress.
Most of our federal law enforcement feels the same way.
The real thing is this.
The federal government, you don't swear your allegiance to the Constitution when you do the oath of office as a member of the FBI or as a federal law enforcement officer and say, what I believe in is protecting the Article I powers of Congress, and I intend to protect the Article II powers of the executive and so on and so forth.
You're not going out there and protecting the judiciary's ability to regulate lower courts.
No. What you're saying is that I'm going to make sure that the Bill of Rights is the area where we do not tread, that we stay out of the area of free speech and free religion and free assembly and so on.
And so the real problem with this document is that the government is trying to weigh in.
They're supposed to be agnostic about religion.
It doesn't matter whether you're a radical traditional Baptist or Lutheran or Mormon or Jew or Muslim.
It's irrelevant.
The government has no say in it.
That's what our brilliance is in our constitution.
So if you can't do that and you think you're gonna weigh in on any type of religion, then you're the problem.
Now you are breaking the oath.
And that's the real issue I have with all of them.
It's like, you swear allegiance to stay out of it.
You shouldn't be enforcing most federal gun laws.
I'm uncomfortable with all of them.
I'm a total abolitionist when it comes to the ATF and now the FBI after working there.
Like, I don't think there's a solution for this place.
They have absolutely sullied the brand to the point where there is no reason to fund it.
If you're gonna do it, you've got to break off the national intelligence mission and make that go away.
And that will fundamentally change it.
But you cannot give a law enforcement agency the powers of intelligence agencies.
That's what's called a secret police.
It's always been secret police stuff.
And when you do it, then, and you make that the primary focus,
you are going to get tyranny.
And that's what we have right now.
That's what we're experiencing.
Many people have experienced it.
Your family, you know, more than anybody else in America right now.
But all these people that are sitting and dealing with the January 6th prosecutions,
they're experiencing full tyranny by a weaponized federal government.
And I don't think we need it because they shut it down in 2020.
You may not know this, but they stopped doing work during the COVID strikes.
They shut down the entire federal government.
The entire federal government was like, this is a great idea.
We can not do our job and still get paid for it.
FBI agents in Washington field office, in the center of Washington, DC,
were working one hour a week on a 50 hour a week job.
They were showing up 30 minutes on a Tuesday, 30 minutes on a Thursday,
getting paid a six figure salary to do nothing.
And you'll notice we didn't have any significant terror attacks that happened.
This all happened post, you know, March of 2020.
And they shut down for like anywhere between a year and 18 months, depending on the squad.
They didn't come to work.
Nobody noticed.
So, you know, as all of this stuff's going on, you see, you know, the corruption's being exposed.
And these are, again, not little things, right?
Spying on concerned mothers at a PTA meeting, you know, labeling them terrorists, Catholics and military veterans.
But it feels like as more and more of that's happening, they're not changing the way they're actually doing
anything.
They're actually doubling down.
I mean, you're one guy who worked there for six years, and you're, you know, at least peripherally involved,
or had witnessed three of these things.
Big ones, but like the three that we're actually talking about
because you had the guts to expose that.
How much more is going on?
I mean, are they doing anything to pull this back?
Has the exposure to this actually changed any of the mindset within the FBI? Or again, it feels more to me like they're doubling down than actually doing anything to change it, which is really scary.
No, it's exactly what you just said.
They're doubling down. And the reason why is because Congress just voted to give them their funding and they just voted to give them a new headquarters and they are not having their budget withdrawn and they are not seeing key positions defunded.
That would have been the single best thing that would have taken a strike at the so-called deep state.
I don't like deep state only because it sounds sexy and it sounds like things from the X-Files.
Yeah. Yeah, like they're doing something good.
It's like, no, no, no. They're doing something like this so they can each retire making a couple extra bucks a month working at some governmental entity that is screwing the American people with a $12,000 toilet and $400 hammers.
Yeah, I don't even know that it sounds like it's doing something good.
It sounds like it's doing something that's kind of sexy and nefarious and interesting.
It's not interesting. It's like a guy who has been working at the same job for 35 years and he sits in an office that has coffee stains on the floor from the 1980s because someone spilled a pot there and they never replaced it.
And there's, you know, black mold on one of the ceiling tiles.
But he has incredible amounts of authority and he knows that he's outlasted presidents before him and he will outlast presidents after and they can do whatever it is the hell that they want.
And so that's what the deep state is.
It's like the bench is deep.
If you lose one, you got another one.
And if you lose that one, you got another one behind it because it's an infinitely deep bench of like, you know,
Russian nesting dolls.
And the thing that needs to happen is, is that we don't see the FBI paying any penance.
They're eating a little bit of crow, but they basically just deny it and just keep carrying on.
And we have people on the Democrat side that are carrying water for them
that are straight on government sycophants.
There's nothing weirder to me than growing up.
I was born in the, at the beginning of the 1980s.
And so I got 40 plus years on this planet looking at a Democrat party now that hates free speech,
that wants to fight for the ability to censor people.
These are the people that were protesting in favor of Nazis and saying that Nazis are horrible people, and yet they have a right, like every American, to say horrible things.
You actually have a constitutional right in this country to be an a-hole.
Yeah, no, I mean, as I said in sort of the opening monologue, I mean, they're truly acting like the fascist dictators that they want to say Trump is.
I'm trying to figure it out. I'm like, wait, so you want to arrest other people for practicing their religion?
You're not allowed to speak up against police tyranny.
They're trying to, you know, jail...
They're political opposition.
They'll censor the others and or disproportionately jail them.
When I look at the sentencing I'm seeing coming out, if there ever even is sentencing, which most of it's not even pursued, from the Summer of Love 2020 BLM riots, someone gets two months in prison for doing something, but if you knock over a fence somewhere in D.C., you get 17 years.
It's not the same.
No, it's not. And here's the thing.
So interestingly enough, and this is part of the reason why my experience was so strange and unique for most people.
There's a famous photograph of a couple of FBI agents standing in front of the White House on the North Lawn the day after St.
John's Church was burned. We set up a perimeter.
We were working with Secret Service at the time, the Uniform Division guys, who I'm sure you're familiar with.
And so I'm standing there with guys on the line.
And we saw that and we saw people dropping off weapons and they were dropping off piles of rocks and they were covering them with granola bars.
These are for the protesters and all this other kind of BS. And you're like, oh man, that's crazy.
And that same year, I also spent time marching around in D.C. Like it was a green zone where Bill Barr was having us walk around where we were like we were surrounded by National Guardsmen in Washington, D.C., Very, very strange.
And then I also was in Portland and I saw that we didn't do anything there.
We had all of Antifa mapped out.
I mean, I know a bunch of Secret Service agents were hurt at the White House when they stormed those gates.
And again, that's 100% fine.
I'm trying to figure out what the difference is, but the only thing I can think of is one group had...
A D next to their name, and one group had an R next to their name, and if you have a D next to your name, you're above the law.
You're beyond reproach. You're looting a store for social justice, not because you want a free pair of Gucci sleds.
But again, they're normalizing that difference.
And again, that's scary and continues to do it.
Again, I think it's so bad that I hope people are waking up, but you're not going to get some people.
Or... We're good to go.
You're going to put someone who's totally unqualified into a job and they'll figure it out and, you know, shareholder value at a company or whatever it is or, you know, even basic operational, you know, security in a governmental job or it doesn't really matter, you know.
Hey, you're trans and you're in the Navy.
You could be an admiral too next week.
It's so gross. You know the sad thing is it's true. That's the problem. It's actually going on right you you see this
I mean how many women?
You know have been displaced as you know women of the year by literally trans dudes
Like yeah, like we're literally you know Hey, you want to talk about the patriarchy?
No one's caught on the biological male winning woman of the year and displacing all these women on the top of a podium in whatever sport they're competing in and that it seems the trans men never seem to make it to the NBA but every other record is broken daily by a trans woman who was two days ago a dude.
I don't know. It seems like the patriarchy is alive and well, and yet, you know, that would be a cardinal sin to even talk about the hypocrisy there.
Well, I want to just compliment you on your ability to keep trans men and trans women straight.
I was actually sitting there being like, which way does this one go?
Because I don't even know. I think you nailed it.
It's insane. So here's kind of the crazy thing, and I haven't shared this story with anybody publicly, but I might as well share it with you because it's a good story.
The divide in this country is so dramatic, and it's so weird.
I was actually at your dad's inauguration.
I was in an undercover role working with Secret Service on what are called hurricane teams, which walk around in the crowd and make sure people are not infringing on other people's First Amendment rights.
And so you sort of nip it in the bud right there, and you stop them from breaking things.
I actually arrested a guy who was probably in Tifa that was firing a laser at the helicopter.
There was a park police helicopter over the parade route.
So that was kind of interesting for me.
And at the end of the night, it's been a long day, and I've been on my feet, and it was a cold day, if you recall.
And, you know, it's always cold. And a violent day, all perpetrated by the left.
Full of violence.
Like I said, I got a felony arrest on the day, which never happens in the moment for FBI agents.
We all do, like, planned arrests.
This was an unplanned arrest that we got, you know, clearance to basically do what we call a probable cause on-the-spot arrest and took him into custody.
Park police transported the guy.
It was a wild...
Memorable moment. I had also only been an FBI agent for a very little time.
I went to Quantico in the summer of 2016.
This is in January of 2017.
And so here I am.
I've basically been in the field office for 40 days tops.
I'm just now assigned to it, and I'm out there doing this.
And I had this weird moment.
I'm wearing a black or a gray hoodie, dark-colored hoodie, thick Carhartt kind of thing.
It's got my radio, my body armor, and all this other kind of stuff, because I didn't know what kind of violence we were going to deal with.
And I needed to put myself in the way if it happened, because that's your job.
So I'm one of the last people on the streets as they're taking down the parade route.
I'm jogging the route back all the way to where my car was, which is over at the Washington field office.
And I was on one of the north-south streets en route to my field office, and it was me and a couple.
And I just happened to remember that they were interracial couple, but it wasn't really relevant.
I knew the white woman was there and she had like a black boyfriend or husband
and they were making out like a couple of teenage drunks and they were clearly like in their 40s or 50s.
So it was kind of embarrassing seeing them in general and they're out in the street and they're doing that
and it's me and that's the only people, it was a completely empty street.
And then the presidential motorcade rolled by and I saw it coming along and as it moves past,
this woman breaks the embrace of her, you know, whatever romantic interest
and she screams a big F-you and she flicks off the presidential motorcade
as it goes rolling past.
And at the exact same time she was doing that, I was former military, I instinctively, without thinking about it all, I snapped into the position of attention, even though I'm wearing, like, street clothes, like jeans, and a Carhartt hoodie, and I snapped to a salute, and I saluted the motorcade because that's what seemed like the thing that you would do if that goes by you.
And that was the difference in America in 2017.
It's still the difference today, that some people will instinctively just scream and yell profanities no matter who's around, no matter what they have to interrupt to do it.
And some of us still know that America's still a good place and the norms should exist.
Well, you're lucky they didn't get a picture of you doing that, right?
Because you can be like one of these, like, you know, Fed boy memes, you know, right now in the Fed's direction.
Oh, by the way, when you see those pictures of the dudes that are clearly Feds, you know, with the aviators and they're trying to look MAGA, you know, And by the way, as you see, I'm curious to see, as we see more and more video evidence that, you know, hey, they're not going to release ex-video evidence because they would expose too many other FBI agents.
I mean, the notion of the fedsurrection that this was either instigated, created, certainly egged on and or could have been prevented but wasn't because...
Actually preventing it wouldn't get them where they wanted to be.
I mean, how real is that to you?
Because, I mean, to me, it sort of feels like a no-brainer.
But as someone who's been there and, you know, has witnessed this, I mean, it seems like, you know, like Wuhan lab, that's probably the most plausible answer.
And especially a few years later now, given the lack of willingness to cooperate, given the stonewalling about very obvious things, uh...
Seems like, you know, obviously that happened and that was very real.
I think that it was less organized than we've been led to believe.
I think a lot of autonomous actors basically took it upon themselves to do something that's pretty nefarious.
So my guess was this, and this is coming from working in the Washington field office on January 6th of 2021.
I actually was able to take the day off.
That should not have been the case.
We all know that to be the case now.
I wish you would have been there because I imagine you would have heard something and seen something that...
I mean, I almost went off-duty.
I had a strong desire to do that.
I ended up taking a pistol training class and learning how to certify on instruction because I wanted to do some red dot work.
So, like, I'm a gun guy.
That's my thing. Like, that's why I loved being around, you know, federal law enforcement.
I found out that that was actually pretty rare.
I actually had someone say... By the way, very few are actually gun guys.
Exactly. So strange.
One of my buddies is like, how many guns have you bought this year?
I'm like, I don't know. I buy one every two weeks or something like that.
Yeah, you're on a list as well.
Oh, yeah. Not only, and I'll just share this because it's kind of funny.
My FFL was a home FFL in New Mexico.
He's a nice guy. Met him through my boss, of all people.
And it turned out, like, I was like, oh, I can ship guns to you and you'll receive them on my behalf and you're near my house.
How much for a transfer? He said $10.
I was like, fantastic. That's great.
I'm going to have a bunch of guns coming in.
So I would have guns come in all the time.
Now, he just happens to be a home FFL that just happens to get audited every single year by the ATF, of all things.
And so there they go. They audit him.
They go through all of his customer records, all of the 4473s filled out in the entire business that he has.
And they're like, we're only interested in one name.
Who's this Kyle Serafin character?
That's how much I was buying it from this guy.
I'm a gun guy. That's what I was into.
And I was doing gun training on January 6th of 21.
But what's interesting is what I should have been doing was been on a standby sitting over at the
park police Eagle Nest where we always would for what's called an NSSE, a National Special
Security Event. Those are declared for State of the Union, they're declared for inaugurations,
they're declared for large parades like 4th of July, they do it every year multiple times.
The Secret Service takes point and they set up a main command post for all of the federal
government to come in and filter things through. And that way you have a command post that has
access to DC Metro PD, Capitol Police, ATF, the bomb squads from the Department of Energy is there.
Everybody's got a capability, they're all in the same sort of little command post. And when they
do that, they do it all the time, then they can just scale up or scale down and all the locals
get paid, you know, a bunch of money in overtime and nobody really cares because the federal
government writes unlimited checks for that and it's not that much money. And so they do it the
right way in the right way when that happens. They chose not to do that for January 6. For me,
That is a major red flag. It's always been a red flag.
It's a big one. I mean, because you're right.
I mean, especially with my father sort of requesting the National Guard and requesting these things and then having it be denied.
I mean, this seems like yet another thing, right?
It wasn't, you know, Kash Patel's been on the show a bunch talking about those things.
No, I was in the room when we asked, and Pelosi and these guys, they wouldn't do it because, again...
Whether it was planned or not is a different story, but maybe there's the, hey, let's hope that maybe someone goes a little too far.
Now, when they're jailing people for 10 years who, I'm watching them, they're taking selfies behind the velvet rope.
99% of those people had no idea they probably weren't even supposed to be in the place by the time they got in there, and yet that didn't matter.
They got what they wanted, and this seems like yet another sort of example, another check in the box that said, hey, maybe we don't know, but we're certainly not going to do anything to prevent because allowing something negative to happen is exactly what we want to try to nip this movement in the bud.
I totally agree with that too.
I think it's really tragic.
I think that this is kind of a deep state in action and the way it works.
And when we say deep, we mean deep.
Like I said, the bench is deep.
What I think is going on there, and here's the other funny thing.
Unlike most feds that I've ever met, I read more voraciously of more current events than anybody because I was on a surveillance team.
And mostly what you're doing is sitting in a car, waiting for the radio to squawk and peeing in a bottle.
So that means you're reading a lot of news and you're watching people on the street.
That's what I did. I watched people and I read news.
So Julie Kelly's done a really great job of exposing She's been the best journalist by like a mile.
I agree. She's been on the show before.
Here's a great little grenade to toss out there to your audience.
But the FBI spends $40 million a year on sources, on source development and payments for results that are driven.
The second thing about that is that those payments are done in cash and they cannot be tracked.
And the biggest payments come to counterintelligence, Which is going to be like your Christopher Steele type characters, hence the million dollar bounty they put on the dossier.
And then the biggest ones also tend to go six figure range is going to be for counterterrorism sources, including domestic terrorism.
There are people who make a living setting up domestic terrorist organizations, setting up the FBI's ability to disrupt them and claim stats.
So that's number one.
And then the second thing is every single field office had their own parameters.
We found out after January 6th that we were following somebody who was at the Capitol, who didn't do anything violent, but for some reason they were following him.
And I don't know what, he may have been proudly affiliated or Oathkeeper.
I don't really care. We were following him around.
You're not hurting anybody's freedom by following him in an open space, but that's what we did.
And then we started following him when he drove back home.
And he lived in like, I don't know, Illinois or Ohio.
He lived somewhere not close to D.C. and was driving a very long ways.
And as we started following this guy, we followed him all the way to the western edge of West Virginia.
We did like an eight-hour follow in the middle of the night.
And at three in the morning, we got called off because I told them, one, it was getting really dangerous because we'd been awake for like 18 or 20 hours and you shouldn't be driving.
And number two, and probably the biggest thing was, they found out they had a tracker
on that guy's car the whole time, and they were having us run after him.
So we were literally chasing our tails with the Western field office trying to do one thing,
and all these different offices had sources, and they had various different people coming in
to infiltrate and push their own agendas that were all individually briefed,
but no main command post at the FBI was clearing that, and that's why they were caught
so flat-footed in the response.
But moreover, I think every single field office had an autonomous need to try to generate casework,
because that's how they get their budgets.
And so I think that is the deep state answer to it, is that everybody wanted something to happen individually,
and a bunch of individuals made it happen.
So when Chris Wray says, I don't know how many sources were in the crowd, you know, I don't know how many undercovers were there, the undercovers thing is probably a lie.
But the number of sources, he may not actually know, because they would have to go through, you know, just volumes of files.
And what we know about feds is they're lazy.
They don't want to do that. So unless there's a congressional audit that requires it, which the J6 committee didn't do.
Yeah, they would never do that.
Yeah, they would never do it.
They don't want the answers out publicly for some of that stuff.
Talk about that.
Talk about the mechanics of actually opening up an investigation like this.
What forms need to be filled out?
Who approves that? What's the chain of command?
What are the bureaucratic steps that let these abuses of power just go unchecked?
How does it get through that many people without anyone really calling it out?
So there's two types of investigations, broadly speaking, that the FBI does.
One is a criminal investigation.
That's very familiar to people. It's linear.
I'm going to just describe it this way. A linear investigation looks like this.
There's a crime. Somebody did it.
We're going to find out some evidence on how they did it, why they did it, you know, what was taken or whatever was done.
And then we're going to go take that person, arrest them, and we put them through the justice system.
They either are acquitted, they plea out, or they're convicted.
That's kind of the end of it. And there's some appeals, but that's linear.
It ends with somebody's in prison or somebody's free.
The end. But that's not what happens.
That's not what these J6 investigations really are.
They're intelligence investigations, which happen under the national security priorities.
The minute you use the words counterterrorism or counterintelligence, you start working on a circular model.
And the circular model can start anywhere, and it spins around forever, and it never has to end.
As an example, I had my first couple investigations handed to me that had been going on for eight years when I was a brand new agent.
And I'm looking at them, and I read them, and they're like, this is all bullshit.
I read them, and I knew they were bullshit after reading every file in them, and I wanted to cut them down.
All I wanted to do was go interview the guy and end it.
But they were like, no, then you won't be able to keep doing collections of information.
I'm like, well, what's the purpose of the information?
The purpose is that we get more information.
It justifies a budget. So all these things are being done that way.
When you are running intelligence operations, you are running counterterrorism.
What you do is you allege. Donald Trump Jr.
is on the threat landscape under the militia violent extremist landscape.
He really thinks that we shouldn't have laws governing suppressors.
And so that makes him an MVE. And as an MVE, I want to go and investigate him.
So they start doing that. And they look into you, and then they say, well, who's he talking to?
Let's subpoena his bank records.
Well, we can't do a subpoena. We're going to use what's called a national security letter.
That's a secret subpoena that's signed off on by an FBI person who will get all your bank records and see, well, who's he spending money with?
Where does he go? Does he shoot suppressors?
Does he rent guns when he goes to Las Vegas?
Does he do this? Does he do that?
Okay, fine. So they do all these things and they dig on you.
Then they've got a whole list of other people.
Then they spin circles on them.
And they spin circles on them.
And so on and so forth. And now we have a whirlpool of circles.
And some of those people may involve themselves in some criminal activity, even peripherally.
Once we know that those exist using all these national security tools, I can go make a linear investigation start.
It's a thing that's called parallel construction.
So what I do is I go, I know that in your safe is an unlicensed machine gun.
And I know that because I've been snooping into your text messages and I've been doing this and I've been doing that.
I found them out through all these illicit means that are only for intelligence purposes, not for criminal.
But because I know they're there, I can write that search warrant.
And when I go find it, I'm not going to embarrass the judge because it's going to be there.
So even if my PC is weak, I'm the FBI. I'm going to get a lot of credibility.
The judge may not even read my probable cause statement and my affidavit.
I've seen affidavits that were signed off on that had factual lies that were not accurate.
There was one in Tampa where they were talking about a so-called jihadi, and they claimed that he was a felon who could not own guns because he had been convicted of We're good to go.
So things like that will make it into an affidavit, and the judge will still sign it because it's the FBI. That's how you start getting all these linear J6 stuff, but they're all starting from who do they know, who are they talking to, so on and so forth.
It's this threat landscape, which is very nebulous, and it's what police states do.
They pick a victim, and then they go find what crime they did.
Yeah, I mean, listen, I think this stuff is so important for people to understand.
It's why I always say, guys, like, like, share, subscribe, make sure that people see this.
Because again, I don't think anyone, even me, I mean, I sort of figure I'm on every list, right?
So like, I've been investigated more than any probably human being that's, you know, that certainly didn't do anything in my life.
So I sort of conduct myself in a way that You know, I assume they're just reading my text message.
I'd love not to. I mean, I think we live in an America.
I've been proven innocent of all the things they accused me of, but that doesn't probably matter to them.
They don't give a crap. And if, you know, if I wrote something sarcastic to a friend, that would be used against me in a court of law, and I wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt, you know, even if it was sort of Occam's razor, where it was obvious what I meant, and it was obviously sarcastic.
It wouldn't matter. It would be taken literally, and you wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, no sense of humor with that. Is it that easy to spy on Americans?
Can an FBI agent with those basic little things be reading your text messages?
Are there actual safe ways to communicate digitally in this digital age?
I sort of assume not, but are there doing it through a WhatsApp or a Signal or one of the apps out there?
Is it safer than...
Just pure text message?
Because you've seen, hey, the banks were really willing to roll over real quickly to give anyone who perhaps purchased a firearm.
You see the credit card companies were willing to do that and or not do even processing for an FFL, as you talked about.
But even the individuals, you saw the banks very quickly handing over records for people who...
Literally had charges in the proximity of D.C. Who knows if they were even there for it or not, but we'll give the FBI all of that information.
How much more of a surveillance state do we actually live in?
How much does the average American have to assume that they're being watched just because of the phraseology
or the nomenclature that they use when they talk?
I mean, obviously with me, there's a lot of gun talk because this is what I do
and I have a lot of friends in that world and we communicate back and forth.
Again, I'm on the list for a thousand other reasons, but is everyone that even remotely
has some of these things being watched?
So the two part answer, number one.
Sorry, that was a long one, but I'm like, oh my God, even my eyes are open and I'm no longer naive to the bullshit that's going on, but I feel like it's an important one.
Two parts. It's real straightforward.
Number one, assume that you are, and so therefore take responsibility for your own data, for your own information.
Obscure it as necessary. I use Signal on a regular basis.
There's some other things you can use.
Does it matter, though? Meaning I assume, like, you know, hey, if the Chinese can hack the Pentagon, they're probably listening to that.
I'm probably, in many cases at this stage, I'm probably less afraid of what the Chinese are going to do to me than what my own government will.
Who is that? You know, which says a lot about my faith in our government these days, but I imagine a lot of people feel that.
But, you know, there's no question they're also spying on America.
You know, the reality is it's still tech, right?
If I can download an app on the Apple Store, you know, it may be more secure, but how secure can it actually be relative to the systems that are in place?
You know, when... When major governmental entities are getting hacked and or doing the hacking, I assume we're doing some of that as well, hopefully, to our enemies.
It seems we're more focused on our citizens than our enemies.
Yes, we are. But again, I've got to say, I would have to assume there's still limitations of how secure you could ever be in a digital age.
Yeah, the problem is this. So you can secure data in motion.
So a signal, a wicker me, you know, even iMessage is encrypted and probably is difficult to intercept and route.
The problem is, is that, you know, we talk about the story of like Tucker Carlson having his device hacked and they're like, oh, they compromised signal.
They didn't compromise signal. They compromised one of the end results because each individual device can actually decrypt the message.
And that's what you do. So if you can attack the device where the message comes in unencrypted, then that's where you get screwed.
So yeah, obviously anything can be, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't obscure it.
You should take all the normal efforts you can, make it harder.
Feds are lazy, that's number one.
And then number two is that you still have a responsibility, I think as an American,
to continue to exercise your rights, free speech and so on.
You can't just give up simply because you're afraid you might be on a watch list.
In fact, I would say that internalized censorship, just like being a trans dude,
a guy with a dong going out there and power lifting outside of women,
like that's internalized misogyny, if it's ever been, right?
And if you internalize the censorship mechanism, then you've now internalized what the evil mechanisms of the government want you to do, and you're now self-censoring.
That's still censorship. It's just way worse because you're allowing it.
So that's the thing I think a lot of FBI agents are actually involved in for themselves.
They're like, oh, paycheck, pension, so on and so forth.
I got to keep myself kind of locked into this.
They're the ones that are self-censoring.
That's what we should stop. And Americans as a whole need to push back and say, this is not a right that the government has.
They have no right to infringe on it.
And if that means some of us go to jail, look, that's what the civil rights movement was all about.
A lot of people knew something was wrong and they paid for it.
A lot of people went to jail over it.
And so the idea of being uncomfortable should be something that conservatives now are starting to embrace in a big, big way.
That's why, again, physical fitness, these things.
That's why it's white supremacy, right?
If you're capable beyond...
If you're not dependent on...
All of a sudden, hey, maybe you will put up a little more resistance to watching your freedoms literally be taken away from you.
Exactly. Why exactly, though, is there such resistance from FBI leadership to make those basic needed reforms to stop destroying their own credibility?
You would think... It's sort of like I'm watching the Ivy League as someone who attended an Ivy League university.
It's like... I no longer...
I wouldn't think about hiring Ivy League students.
That used to be the cream of the crop.
They were the smartest and the this.
But... With the drama that comes with it, with sort of the forced capitulation, the, hey, you can get ahead so long as you regurgitate whatever they think and you can't think for yourself.
What's going on there?
Do they just hate Donald Trump that much?
Do they hate his supporters that much?
Is it just about power?
What's the incentive in not trying to at least fix some of that, or even if it's just fixing the perception of it?
I think that it's a captured culture.
The management culture is completely captured.
The people that self-select that raise their hand to be a manager within the FBI, and I hate calling them leaders because they're not leaders.
There's no leadership capability that I see.
A leader says, there's a mistake.
I'm going to own it. I'm going to eat this burger by myself, and I'm going to own it and take the responsibility, and everybody else is going to do better.
And this is my fault because I allowed it to happen.
That's not what happens. I've seen leadership.
I've seen real leadership in the military.
I've seen real leadership in civic life.
People take that on all the time.
That's not what goes on, and that's not what's rewarded.
My first supervisor had exactly two and a half years of casework experience in the Oklahoma City field office.
She went to headquarters for over six years.
She was a through-and-through headquarter person that had basically lived in the D.C. swamp, was fully indoctrinated.
She was also sort of a useless woman, and I'll say that now.
She's continued to advance in her career.
She's what we call a blue flamer.
So that's somebody with an afterburner behind them, the blue flame, and they rock it up to the top.
She would talk about having the greatest cases.
Like if you're an agent for two years, you don't have the greatest cases of anything, not ever.
It never happened that you had the greatest cases, but she would say it.
And they basically would just continue to talk about how they were the reason
that the FBI was great, and everyone around them would reaffirm that,
and they only hire people that believe that and toe that party line.
So we have this captured culture at the top, and they're all garbage.
And there may be one or two that squeak in that are decent, but they better mouth the party line as well or they're not
going to get up any higher than GS 15.
My buddy Phil likes to say that a GS-15 in the FBI is someone who's never said no to a bad idea.
That's your assistant special agent in charge.
That's your unit chief level.
That's the doorway into the SES. The senior executive service, which is the true deep state, the true administrative state.
If you don't get those people out, and we're not going to, you literally have to tear FBI management down to the GS-14, the frontline supervisor ranks, because the people who put their hand up and say, yes, I want to be a supervisor, they've already told me that they are a bad individual.
They have bad actions in mind, and they're willing to capitulate.
Yeah, I hear that from so many friends in the military.
It's sort of the same thing.
The guys on SEAL team, they're 99% conservative, but they're never going to become generals either because they will say no.
They will call out the bad ideas.
My only experience with that is from having a Secret Service detail for four years while I was in there.
I'm a business guy. I understand how things work.
Hey, guys, do you ever think about doing it this way?
It seems like it would be a lot better, cheaper, faster, easier, less bureaucrat, less paperwork.
And they're like... Yeah, we know.
And there were a couple of guys that would actually try to do something about that.
The second they actually were like, dude, he's 100% right.
This is insane. There were a couple of things with vehicles and leasing and the procurement process.
And I was like, guys, I can literally get you a better deal.
No, no, no, because this is the way we do it.
And we can't take the better. I'm like, you can't take the better.
That's the way we've always done it. You're going from the same place.
It's like, this makes no sense.
Why would you do it? No, because that's the way we do it.
And there were guys that were like, oh, dude, done.
You're 100% right. They'd say, hey, I spoke to someone about it.
A week later, they'd be off the detail.
And some of these guys are lifelong friends with me.
These are guys that are awesome dudes trying to do well, but you saw certain stuff come from the top.
It didn't have to make sense.
It didn't have to be financially...
It was ridiculous.
And like, again, as a thinking guy, I sit there, I look at these things, and, you know, I come from enough of a world that is like, why don't you do it this way?
It's like, oh, wow, that's actually great.
We never thought of that. Or we've thought about it a thousand times.
you're 100% right and it doesn't matter.
Yeah, that's how you lose your job.
The tall blade of grass gets cut.
That's what happens.
So anybody who has a great idea, the really bad ideas, we call them the good idea fairies.
They come in from like the people that don't know what's going on
and they come up with terrible ideas.
They get promoted.
Bad ideas always go higher.
I just interviewed a guy who was a former NYPD officer.
He's talking about how they've got like a robot down on the subway platforms now that cost a million dollars
and it was supposed to replace an officer, but now they have to have two officers guard the robot
so someone doesn't throw Johnny Five onto the tracks.
They'll steal the robot or beat it up or vandalize it.
But yeah, no, you can't make it up, right?
So that's classic government.
It's like, hey, we're going to replace this person with a robot.
Then we're going to take two people and we're going to guard the robot.
And you're like, oh, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
That's government for you.
The good ideas don't work.
And that's how you get removed from your posts.
That's how you speak too much.
You get destroyed. I mean, there's a million things that are wrong with just the FBI's culture in and of itself, but that's government-wide.
I mean, when you take people that are not financially incentivized to do things efficiently and intelligently in the American way because they do things in the government way, and the government way is overwhelmingly awful.
It's like the worst solution to any problem except when it's the only solution, but it's still not very good.
That's really the only way to look at government.
And the bigger it is, the more federal it is, the worse it is.
The closer it is to local, at least those people have to come and look at you in the eyeballs when you're grocery shopping.
Or you're at the library with your kids and they look over and you go, hey, you know how you didn't put up that stoplight and we can never get out of our street?
Like, that's your fault. And they have to look at you.
They don't do that in the federal government.
Like, our federal government doesn't, especially the bureaucrats, they don't care.
They don't know. Yeah, no, it was like the Secretary of Education last week.
He botched the Reagan quote.
You know, the nine most scary words in the English language are, you know, I'm here from the government.
I'm here to help. He goes, to quote Ronald Reagan, I'm here from the government.
I'm here to help. I'm like, no, dude.
Yeah. How did you miss the entire 80s?
That's our Secretary of Education. It's clown world.
I guess one of the few things you haven't been able to witness, perhaps, was just the evidence that we keep seeing more and more of about the Biden family and the corrupt foreign dealings.
Do you see any urgency from federal law enforcement on this issue?
I know I talk about it on the show all the time.
I know it's a big deal for my people and probably half the country.
And yet... Again, I understand there's a process in the House, and there's a difference.
You have to understand, hey, what I'd love and what's the reality playing within D.C. are two different things, but how is this one viewed within the walls of the FBI, if you have any sort of clarity into that?
There's a mixed bag. I mean, there are people that are trying to do the right thing.
I've got a group of whistleblowers that I have in touch with, and they're in every division.
They're a small number. They're a tiny minority.
But they're out there trying to do the right thing.
They're trying to go and push cases against China.
They're trying to push things against corruption.
And they get pushed back. We've had some really credible allegations about Biden crime family that have never made the light of day.
And I brought them to Congress and said, look, the evidence supposedly exists.
Sources have actually been recording members of the Biden family involved in absolute corruption.
And it's like, Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll say this.
As much as I dislike Mitch McConnell and the decisions he's made, at least he stopped that guy from being a Supreme Court justice because that would have been a disaster.
Nobody is all good and nobody is all bad.
And even some of the bad guys in our favorite movies end up doing the, you know, one last moment that actually ends up helping or pushes something across the finish line.
So we don't know what God's plan is.
Someone keeps telling me God draws straight with crooked lines.
So, you know, that's a crooked line for sure that we ended up with him as an AG and he's doing less damage than he could have done on the Supreme Court.
No doubt about it. So that's great.
But all these things are like when these people are out there running it, I don't see it because...
If Maine Justice is going to quash this stuff, and I've talked to Cash a number of times about it as well.
I'm sure you guys have talked off the record.
If they're going to go and quash these investigations, it doesn't matter how good the work is being done on the federal investigation side.
And Congress has no authority to do anything on the enforcement end.
It's going to fall under the executive.
So it has to be there in pocket so that when they hand it over to maybe a favorable administration, somebody that nominally cares about the Constitution, Democrat or Republican, theoretically it could happen.
But I just don't see any indication that it's going to happen.
And there's no movement like...
Here's the thing. Let's say, you know, Comer does everything he needs to do and gets all the public evidence and the Democrats deny it.
We all say, oh, my God, how can that be?
It may not matter. I mean, they can have all the evidence in the world.
I mean, you still have you see Republicans saying, oh, well, there's no evidence.
I'm like, no evidence like you guys didn't stop.
All of this from going on.
I guess that's the question. Do you think Republicans in Congress and the House in general are being aggressive enough with leadership in the FBI and the DOJ? There are things that perhaps are out of their hand, but it doesn't stop them from speaking about it.
They may not be able to pursue it.
They may not be able to force it, but they control the power of the purse.
They could stop funding certain things within the FBI or maybe the thing entirely.
Are they doing enough?
Because I think Americans are sort of tired of the strongly worded letters.
I'm going to write, or sort of the, let's call it rhino Republican equivalent of a mean
tweet.
It's like, it's a mean tweet and they're going to get to business, but nothing actually happens.
What about subpoena?
Are they doing anything there?
And I think Comer's doing a reasonably good job.
I just feel like the other side's running out the clock.
They're hoping to get to an election.
They'll do what they can to weaponize that.
If you lose control of the House, all of this stuff will go away, even if the evidence is as clear as day.
And it may anyway. 100% agree.
And I don't think they're doing enough.
I don't know if they can do more, but they could sure talk more.
They could say something a little bit more aggressive.
How about putting something for an up and down vote refunding my buddy Garrett O'Boyle's job?
Like the guy was basically taken off his job under a failure of FBI policy.
They lied about what they did.
They allege that he did something that he didn't do because we know who did the thing that they claimed he did.
He did absolutely nothing wrong.
He testified in front of Congress.
He brought disclosures in good faith underneath the whistleblower laws.
He's been now without a job for, I think, something like 14 months unpaid, but he's still considered an FBI employee the way that I was for a year.
Marcus Allen, same story.
You haven't heard anything from him, but he was in front of Congress.
He's also been now two years without a job.
We raised a bunch of money, so they're not going to go homeless and destitute.
But they can't even accept the money without breaking FBI policy, and then they'll get fired for it.
So how about some bills that say, refund my friend's positions, put them into a place and leave them the hell alone, let them do their damn job.
How about they be treated like every other whistleblower that came out?
They turned, you know, the guy that was offered the Ukrainian Defense Minister position, Alexander
Vindman, you know, this fat slob, they turned him into a hero.
And it turns out to be all nonsense, didn't matter.
You know, we'll weaponize him at the time and when we find out it's all nonsense and
it's all lies and he's full of crap, you know, that happens five years later.
It doesn't matter.
There's not an apology.
There's no actual accountability.
You know, we've seen it time and time again.
We've seen the FBI go after parents.
They're going after pro-life Americans.
They're going after Donald Trump.
They're going after his family.
They go after his allies.
Who are they going after next?
What should we be prepared for?
What's the next group that's going to be put in the crosshairs of not just the FBI, but maybe the DOJ? Dissenters, everybody.
That's what this threat tag that they came up with was.
It's underneath the 266 moniker, which is domestic terrorism, and it's 266 O Oscar.
It's anti-government, anti-authority violent extremists.
That's the founding fathers.
That's you. That's me believing that we have a right to own a firearm.
That's me believing that we should be able to speak out against our government.
If you believe that the T goes in the harbor, that's where I believe it goes.
I think that's where the best pay for the T is.
You throw it right in the harbor and you let them know what you think.
If you're that kind of a guy, if you've got a Betsy Ross flag on your wall like I do, Then they're the one that they want because they're gonna crush dissent.
And if you criminalize dissent in this country, you have run away from every liberal principle that every liberal could ever stand behind.
We are now in a place where we're talking about illiberal principles and censorship and hate speech are all part of that.
So the things that people like Jordan Peterson are saying, the things that even people that used to be sort of center left, the Joe Rogans of the world, the Russell Brands of the world, they just wanna be able to have dissent.
That's kind of what comedy used to be, that we would poke fun at everybody.
I mean, comedy is a crime at this point.
When you attack Trump, you can say whatever you want.
It doesn't matter. And it's not even funny anymore because it's gotten so vicious.
There's not actually humor to it.
But given the sort of amount of material that the left gives us and the things that we must buy into right away as the gospel...
It's sort of amazing because we could actually be living in the golden age of comedy if comedians weren't so afraid to actually speak up.
But it does feel like, again, the pendulum's not just swinging in the American populace sort of being woken up to it.
You're right. Joe Rogan.
You saw Dana White.
You saw Elon last week.
Fuck you. Fuck your opinion.
You're full of shit. He said it.
G-F-Y. That's it. That's all there is.
More people are getting to that point where they're saying, go fuck yourself.
So you've been attacked by the Democrats in their mouthpieces in the media.
They're accusing you of having ulterior motives.
What's your response to them?
Yeah, it's really straightforward.
And it might as well just be go fuck yourself.
That's as good as any. I think Elon Musk said it really well.
But, you know, I try to come at it from a Christian perspective on my best days.
I'm not always there. And so sometimes it's a lot more violent or angry thoughts.
But, you know, it's like you have destroyed this country for my children.
I have a three-month-old daughter now.
I had a baby that I consider a war baby because we had her while we had lost a job.
And here's what the cost was.
If anybody thinks that it was a fun or a good idea, I said I'm not going to get a shot that I'm going to be mandated to do.
I wouldn't have done it even if I thought the shot was a good idea.
Because you told me that I had to do it, and I know that if I can't stand up as a federal agent with a badge and a gun and the authorities of the FBI and stand for what it means to be an American, to say that you have some bodily autonomy, then under no circumstances is any other normal person going to be able to do it.
So that's number one. But what was the cost?
I had to sell my house. I lost my house.
My wife and I were homeless for about six months.
We stayed at my parents' house, which is very embarrassing because my parents don't have nearly the house that your parents do.
I was living in a much smaller place.
We had a three-bedroom house.
But I get it.
Mar-a-Lago's a pretty nice place, but I'd be pretty embarrassed being like, I gotta move back in.
It's not awesome at 40, right?
You just don't want to do that. That's a serious kick to the nuts for someone who thinks the way I do.
Yeah, it's a massive amount of humility.
Yeah, no, listen, I don't think I've ever told this story myself, but when I first got divorced, my dad was president of the United States, all this stuff, I literally remember my mom before she passed away.
She literally called me and she was like, hey, well, if you want, your room's still in the house.
And I was just like... It was like both one of the nicest and also like most terrible phone calls I've ever got in my life because I'm like, no, man.
Like, I just, no, I can't.
Like, I'm not moving back into, you know, mom's basement.
That ain't happening. It's brutal.
It came from a position of sweetness, but it was a kick in the dick to me.
It was like, oh, man, I can't even believe I'm having this conversation.
That's exactly what it is.
Yeah, so we moved my entire family there.
Then some in the middle of it, my wife and I end up pregnant.
If your listeners need to know how that works out, they can Google it and kind of see how the design works.
Well, these days you never know. I mean, I hear about front holes and back holes and all these other things.
So, you know, apparently you could probably get pregnant through all of them these days because, you know, otherwise you're a racist, misogynist pig.
So true. You know, due for a lynching, I guess.
Most likely, yes. So long and short, the cost is not small.
It's not small. And then at the same time, it's like, would you do it again?
Of course, 100%. I'd do it 100 times out of 100.
I might have done it more aggressively.
And the only thing that was so strange, and the only reason why it's so novel, the way this has all worked out, and there's nothing weirder than this, I'll just tell you straight up.
I decided to sell the house.
I knew that we were going to lose the job.
That was all fine. That was going to happen.
I didn't have a plan to go public.
I had a reporter reach out to me and said, my friend Dan Bongino has a microphone and a message
for you. You need to listen to his podcast, which I listened intermittently. I listened to Dan
probably a couple times a week, but not every single day always. And they said, listen to this
episode. And on the episode, he said, whoever it is that exposed this information, my microphone
is available to you. Come on my show. I will give you my Fox microphone and I will carry your story.
And I went, okay, that's the sign from God.
My wife actually just got, she just got baptized and they took my badge and my gun away like eight days later.
So that's also really powerful.
Go figure that out. And Dan is great.
And then, you know, and then Fox throws him off the air, which tells you where even the, you know.
That was the best part because I get, I literally leave the closing table selling my home.
I get on a plane. My wife goes to Arizona to go stay with my folks.
I get on a plane. I fly out to Miami, get picked up by a car.
And I end up in front of Dan Bongino for the first time we've ever met in person.
And all I said to him was this, look, I've got A lot of concerns.
And I'm scared about this because I'm putting my life in your hands in some ways.
That's what that looked like at the moment.
I mean, it was a very, very high-stress moment.
And in doing so, we showed up.
He's wearing brown shoes. I've got brown boots.
We're both wearing jeans. We're both wearing a black t-shirt.
We're like, uh, his producer, Guy, looks at me and goes, did you guys plan this?
And it's like, no, we're just like-minded.
So he put- He puts on a blazer.
We do two hours of a podcast straight through.
It ended up with like a million views on each one of them because people had never heard it.
The same day that that story went public, my friend Steve Friend, who I'd never known before, he went public with Miranda Devine.
She wrote his story up in the New York Post.
So two of these things aligned and they happened at that moment.
And it's like all of this stuff happening at the same time made it strong to the point where it's
like, there's no other path. I may have to live in my folks' house for six months. Like I said,
the kick in the dick is real. Nobody wants that. It's no fun. But we ended up renting a house. We
ended up moving. I launched this podcast. I've got people watching it. I have a pretty dedicated fan
base that want to hear what we have to say. And we hurt FBI feelings every single day to the point
where this happened. And like, this is really wild. And I don't know if I've been able to explain this
to anybody, but the people that were tasked, you know, everyone makes the joke, like my FBI agent
who watches my podcast and writes it up and puts it in the file?
I hope they're secretly liking my memes.
I'm actually weaponizing them.
You're slowly redfilling these assholes, right?
So I literally had someone that was doing that, was watching my shows in order to jam up Steve Friend for an internal investigation into him.
And when that happened, he ended up doing something that got him jammed up and he came forward
and exposed that the FBI had weaponized the process against me and Steve,
and obviously Garrett as well. George Hill was the guy that you had mentioned earlier who did
the Bank of America disclosure. He's already retired, so he's kind of out of reach. He's
like a crotchety, angry man. I don't think he'd be mad about me saying that. He said he's madder
than I am. And we're all kind of like locked in together here. And we're finding out that
the FBI agents that were actually investigating us are now getting turned against the FBI because
they had their security clearance removed over some dumb bullshit. And when that happened,
it's like you cannot make up how funny this is. They can't stop stepping on their own dick,
which is funny because you'd assume that the FBI is a pretty small dick agency,
but they obviously have short legs too. They're stepping on this thing over and over and again,
and they're falling on their own faces. It's comic justice at a tier that we could never imagine.
And I just feel like the trend that we're seeing is it's going to keep going. We're not going to
solve it through Congress, and we're not going to solve it through Republicans coming in and
We're going to solve it through ridicule and through the American public being aware so that when somebody comes and says, knock, knock, knock, hey, I'm Kyle Seraphim from the FBI, I'd like to talk to you, they tell them to go fuck yourself the way that Elon Musk just did, because that's going to be the answer that turns them around.
When their name and their letters have no more credibility to the average guy who used to think that they were a great guy and wanted to be Fox Mulder when he grew up, like I did, that's what needs to happen.
We need to, like, the X-Files is over.
We're living in a very...
We're living in idiocracy.
You're so right, Kyle.
It is difficult.
It's sort of the theme of this show.
We've got to become unafraid.
We've got to do that across all walks of life.
in who we're supporting, who we're getting our news from, you know, where we spend our money,
giving it to, you know, strong, you know, family businesses rather than woke corporate businesses.
I mean, we just have to immerse ourselves, you know, fully into that.
So, you know, I, you know, again, I've been pretty blessed in many aspects of my life,
but I think I also have a pretty good understanding of just how brutal it can be.
I know what you're going through.
I'm just glad you are doing it.
So, you know, for you, obviously you got the podcast.
I want all the people watching to go check that out.
What else are you doing in going forward to help maintain that unafraid posture, to expose this stuff, to keep it going so that people do wake up, that other people feel comfortable following your lead?
Hey, it's not the end of the world to get out of our comfort zone.
It's not the end of the world to speak up against these agencies, especially when they're corrupted, especially when they're broken, especially when When they're functioning contrary to everything that they were intended.
Well, the first thing is first, I want to say thank you for extending the welcome to be on your show and the platform here to come and share with your audience.
So I really appreciate that. We do the podcast every morning.
That's something I've started doing. It keeps me giving out of bed every morning and putting my feet on the ground and getting into the fight right away.
I started 630. I work way longer.
I've done 12 plus hours today already just doing media and things like this because that's part of the fight for me is that if I'm not doing something, I'm going to be sitting around like polishing my guns and waiting for the door to get kicked in.
I'd rather not do that. So I'd much rather go and talk.
So that's what it is. People need to basically draw a line in the sand for themselves.
They need to figure out what it is that they're willing to accept and what tyranny they will not, and then get involved in their own way.
Not everybody is being called to lose their job and move their family into their parents' house and have to go and start a podcast.
I don't think that works for everybody.
That just happened to be the way that I was set up.
But everybody needs to know. And you have a good story.
And hey, if you've been doing this for 12 hours and you've got the energy that you're carrying right now, I'm really impressed as well.
You are not what we'd call low-energy Jeb.
So I love it.
And just honestly, I follow along with the live chat and see what's going on along the way.
I mean, people are loving what you do.
I mean, that takes balls.
And that's as patriotic as it gets that you're doing what you're doing.
So Kyle, thank you so much for being here.
Guys, make sure to check out his podcast.
You can find it right here on Rumble.
But Kyle, give us the details on that one quickly as well.
Yep, it's Rumble.com slash Kyle Serafin, so that's really easy.
And then my buddies, the fellow whistleblowers, are doing one called the American Radicals Podcast.
That's what we all are now at this point, you included.
We're all American Radicals, so it's amradpod on Rumble.
And then they can just follow me on my social handles where I put out a lot of feeling hurting and sometimes breaking stories that makes the FBI go, hmm, we blew it.
And that's at... at Kyle Serafin on True Social and then also on Twitter.
Those are the two platforms I use.
One engages people that we love and that they understand what we're about and one where we can go fight the battles where they need to be done and maybe change some minds in the middle.
So at Kyle Serafin is the handle on both of those.
Well, I appreciate it, buddy. Again, I'm looking at the live feed and people are like, great show.
Thank you, Kyle. Thank you for doing this great interview.
Again, guys, check him out.
Check out the podcast. Check him out on social.
Like, share, subscribe, and pass it on.
Make sure that other people see this stuff.
Because again, big tech ain't going to let this stuff get out there.
They're going to do the bidding of the FBI. They're going to do the bidding of the bureaucrats.
They're going to do the bidding of the deep state.
That's been very clear.
The Democrats are going to do that.
The people that used to be for these kinds of freedoms are no longer for them.
So make sure you help us, help myself with this show, help Kyle with his show, that we
get this out, that we can take on the traditional media like they did to Dan Bongino.
Fox threw Dan Bongino shortly off there because, you know what, maybe he was speaking a little
too much truth to power.
And even the people supposedly on our side don't like that all that much.
So the good news is because of places like Rumble, we actually have alternatives.
We got to support them. So Kyle, you're the man.
I really appreciate that.
Guys, I'm going to switch over and head over to locals.
Again, make sure you're liking, sharing, you're subscribing.
If you're on Locals, I'll go over, do the AMA, the Ask Me Anything right now.
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So we'll be talking a lot more about that, I'm sure, in many other shows.
You guys are the best. If you're on Locals, I'll head over there right now.
Wow, I can't believe we went about two hours there.
So that was fascinating.
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It's important to get that messaging out there.
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