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Nov. 27, 2023 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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The Next Chapter of MAGA: Steve Bannon Takes us Inside the War Room, LIVE | TRIGGERED Ep.88
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guys welcome to another huge episode of Trigger.
Today we're live with Steve Bannon from Bannon's War Room, a true America First patriot.
I'm sure you know who Steve is.
He's the host of War Room and has had a long career, stops as the White House, as a chief strategist there
in my father's administration, the CEO of the Trump 2016 winning campaign,
and even a career in investment banking.
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What's going on, Steve?
How you doing, man? Hey, Don Jr., thanks for having me on the show.
Really excited about this today.
A lot to talk about. There is a lot to talk about.
I know I always drop by you.
I'm glad to have you dropping by me for a change.
This is good. We're going to have to do it more often.
But it feels like this is a perfect one for you because we've seen...
An uprising in the last few weeks.
Many of them, frankly, but, you know, politically, you saw Mille win in Argentina, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.
It reminds me of what was going on, you know, right prior to our win in 16 with Nigel Farage and Brexit.
What do you think's going on right now?
Do you think the populist right victories overseas are a sign of what's to come in 2024?
Does the fact that it's happening a little bit earlier give the lunatics in charge time to weaponize, come up with something?
You hear about a new virus from China and all these things going on right now.
What do you see happening right now?
One of the things I see, I see...
What your father's done...
See, I don't think Europe right now is...
Like in Brexit, Brexit was first.
You see the Trump movement taking root and really getting traction in 2016.
But here I think it's almost reversed.
I think President Trump is actually leading now not just a political but a cultural revolution.
I think the enthusiasm for young men, African American men, Hispanic men, when you see him going to this UFC, you see the response at South Carolina the other day, people under 30, minorities that would never think of voting for a Republican.
I think President Trump is empowering people.
I think his coming back And when he had the 2020 election stolen, went to Mar-a-Lago.
He could have, as you know, gotten back into the business, built the business, done more golf courses, had more courses on the open rota, or picked up by the USGA, enjoyed the family.
Obviously, Melania and the children, the grandchildren, all of it.
And he didn't. I mean, he was like this Roman general, the famous Roman general, Cincinnatus, who returned from the plow to go save Rome again.
And I think Trump has inspired people as you've seen the collapse, everything he's talked about, everything he fought for, for the sovereignty, not just of nation states, but the sovereignty of the individual citizens in those nation states.
I think it's inspired Orban in Hungary.
I think McGregor in Ireland standing up the other day.
By the way, that one's crazy.
And it shows you how far Europe's gone, right?
The Conor McGregor, I was going to ask you about that because, you know, this is a hometown hero.
I mean, all of Ireland, I've been to the matches with him.
And when he goes in, it's nuts.
They're investigating for hate...
Him for hate crimes.
Because he said, hey, listen, we're letting some, I guess it was an Algerian migrant stab a young girl in the streets of Dublin?
I mean, you know, and they're investigating him.
They're obviously going to do nothing.
They'll do jack shit about going after, you know, the migrants that do it.
Because, you know, it's a cultural difference, Steve.
You know, in their culture, they can stab people in the streets.
It's fine. We must allow them to do that to our children.
But... I'm wondering if that is just going to take Europe further, where people are just saying enough is enough.
Because it's not like they're even being reasonable in these positions.
I mean, the government is taking an actively hostile position against their citizens in favor of seemingly savages in many cases.
Well, you know, they tried to hide this first by saying the guy was an Irish citizen.
He was, but he's from North Africa and had been given citizenship over the years.
The Irish political class is actually worse than the American Uniparty class.
I mean, they've sold the country out to Brussels for years and years and Davos.
They're terrible. There's really never been a populist nationalist party.
And the response you see with McGregor when he goes to these matches, quite frankly, is
a response you're seeing to President Trump here by young men, by people that understand
that something's deeply wrong with the country.
They can feel it.
And you can feel it in Ireland.
You can feel it in the Netherlands, the Netherlands being the most liberal and progressive nation
in Europe.
And Gert, who's really been kind of on the sidelines for years, his message of, hey,
we've got to stop this essential invasion of the country.
We've got to stop the turning over of the country to these Sharia supremacists.
Remember, in Ireland, there's really no populist nationalist party.
I think McGregor and the reason they're coming after him for hate crime already, and they didn't even talk about investigating the guy who did the stabbing.
Everything is about they arrested 35 young men.
They said they're all hooligans.
They're all motivated by radical right ideology.
That's not true.
What they're motivated by is the nation of Ireland.
They want Ireland to be a nation again, and they want the citizens of Ireland to come first.
The message of your father is resonating more powerfully now than ever.
And I think the example of your father is starting to give people courage.
Remember, courage is the most important of all the virtues because it's on courage that all the other virtues rest.
And President Trump showed us by returning from Mar-a-Lago, Don Jr., there wouldn't be
any 700 years of charges in prison for crimes.
There wouldn't be any Moscow show trial in New York, which is the most outrageous thing
I've ever seen of a guy just trying to strip the entire business you built over a couple
of generations, take it to zero.
There wouldn't be any 14th Amendment trying to take him off the ballot in nine states.
None of this would have gone on if Trump had just gone back to Mar-a-Lago and lived a comfortable
life.
He says, I'm not going to do that.
Our country is in crisis.
We're losing this nation.
I think that's inspired people throughout the world.
And I think it's inspired the Bolsonaro's back again in Brazil.
I think immediately in Argentina, I think you're seeing people that are saying, hey, if Trump can get out there and put it all on the line and risk prison and risk bankruptcy and risk being even taken off the ballot, I'm prepared to do it too.
That's the moment I think we're in.
And that's why, hey, you're a golfer.
I think it's now time to press the bet.
I think we've got tremendous momentum and we just every day, we got to keep that momentum going.
So what are they going to do?
Obviously, the left, as led by Joe Biden, who's just...
Listen, he's dumb enough to sign whatever they'll put in front of him.
So I think he's actually the perfect puppet for the radical left because Obama would have gladly done a lot of the things.
He would have signed all of these things if it wasn't for the fact that he would be worried about his reputation, if it wasn't his social standing.
With... You know, Biden, it's like, oh, great.
We'll just let him sign everything because he has no idea what's going on.
That's clear as he tries to get off a stage every day.
You know, what are they going to do to try to ensure that they can get another four years of just sort of this, you know, this pen that signs every radical leftist?
And it's really not leftist anymore.
I mean, at this point, it's Marxist communists.
I mean, these guys are the true fascists.
You know, in any definition of the actual word, despite the fact that they weaponize that against, you know, conservatives for, you know, loving their country and whatnot for the last few years.
But what are the games that they're going to try to do?
They see this coming. They see the polling.
They see the populist uprising, not just here, not just with youth that would historically have been far more favorable to the Democrats.
You say it with African Americans, I'd love to believe it, but I do see it differently.
I see it when I speak at these things.
There's a security guard in the back being like, hey man, we've been lifelong Democrats, we're sick of this crap.
So, you know, it's always sort of the holy grail.
You think it's going to happen this time in our administration.
You know, the administration, they did a lot for that.
Didn't really change it a little bit.
He did better than other Republicans.
But I think now the persecution, the multiple, the, yeah, as you said, you know, 700,000, whatever it is, years in jail, you know, people are getting it and they realize that You know, they're in line as well.
They're going to come after him.
So how hard are they going to press to have this happen?
Or they say, hey, it's four years.
We're not going to play those games.
And we'll take it over then.
Do you see any scenario?
Any scenario? That they would allow Donald J. Trump to return to 1600 Pennsylvania.
That's why I ask myself every day.
Not even a little bit.
I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I know better because I know what they tried to do to me and everyone else in my family.
But this is my point.
Trump has this movement, and he's the first to admit this, this movement that he's led and innovated is bigger than him.
He's got not just a political movement, this has now become a cultural movement.
You could see that in South Carolina the other day.
You could see this at the UFC fights.
You could see it anywhere you go and talk, on the streets, with the signs, with everything.
He is leading now the most fundamental and important political cultural movement in the nation for people of every economic class, every ethnicity, race, religion to say yes.
We want to return America to her former greatness, and we know we have a struggle to do it, but this is the guy that's the armor-piercing shell.
And let's break it down to three things, how they're going to stop that.
Because I think they've got three verticals.
They're all going to converge on a point to stop Trump.
Number one is to use lawfare.
I mean, think about it for a second.
Just step back and think about it.
For a guy who gave us four years, and I don't care if you hate the sound of his voice, just look at the empirical evidence.
In a chaotic world of anarchy, Right?
And destruction. He gave us four years of peace and prosperity.
And I mean real prosperity.
People don't give him credit that you talk about the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve being nine trillion dollars today.
When President Trump took over, it was three and a half.
It was only 880 billion when Obama took over.
He added all those trillions, as you remember, to put liquidity in the system.
President Trump, by 18 and 19, had 3.5% growth, the lowest unemployment, low interest rates, no inflation, and he took a trillion dollars, yelling as the Federal Reserve took a trillion dollars liquidity off the balance sheet.
He had a headwind that he was doing it because he wanted to deflate the asset bubble.
He gave us peace.
He gave us prosperity, right?
And that's not easy in a chaotic world.
Now, to that, number one, the 700 years in prison, I mean, we mock it, but they're serious about it.
Oh, yeah. No, no, no. It's not a joke.
If they could do it, they would do it.
I mean, it's laughable because you're like, people can't even figure out the crimes.
Like New York, they want to fine them a billion dollars, but there's no actual victim, right?
The banks are saying, like, what are you talking about?
Of course we do our own due diligence.
Of course we got paid back. There wasn't a payment missed.
We made hundreds of millions in interest.
But it doesn't matter because you have a radical Democrat partisan attorney general that will say it...
Doesn't matter. Of all of them, I think New York's the most egregious.
Because New York, I'm sitting there going, I did this for 30 years of my life at Goldman Sachs, my own firm.
I go, it looks like a pretty normal course of business, what the Trump Organization did.
At Goldman Sachs, did you ever not do diligence?
And by the way, even in post like Sarbanes-Oxley 2002, post 2008 crisis, if a major bank like
Deutsche Bank, you know, trillion dollar bank, if they didn't do diligence, the opening that
they would have for class action lawsuits from any investor would be ludicrous.
So this whole notion is absolutely insane.
But that's the point, Steve, I guess.
And it's probably the point you're making, which is it doesn't matter.
And the fact that the judge is so blatant about they just want to get to his assets
and stripping, but let's go back to the criminal charges.
We had people on today because I'm trying to go through a battleground state by battleground
state about how we're not secure for this election right now to actually close the deal
and make sure we get the deal.
You're going to win like you did in 2020 with 74 million votes that we have to close.
And quite frankly, it's a little chaotic.
In Fulton County, it's absurd of what's going on there.
They still get criminal charges.
The judge in D.C. is locked in on a 4 March start.
It would normally take years, years to get these things going.
They've taken this process and they want to either through opportunity costs,
so he can't focus, he can't campaign, to either take all the money out of the campaign, out of
the spending on lawyers, or, you know, maybe just grind him down in the process and
take his mind off running for president.
It's absolutely egregious.
That's their first line is hardcore lawfare.
And also at that to take the 14th Amendment.
And these 14th Amendment cases are jokes legally, but they're not jokes for political psyops.
Correct. Because they want to dominate local media with maybe Trump is an insurrection.
If you look at Denver media, when this trial, the trial was an absolute joke.
Cash Patel went in there and eviscerated it.
This is why I think Speaker Johnson has to come back.
And we need two things.
We need serious action on the impeachment of Biden, not for political retribution, We need to do this because we can't let foreign powers like the CCP and whoever these crooks are in Ukraine be funneling money back into politicians that are doing their bidding.
Number one, that has to be out there.
Number two, I think Speaker Johnson has to reconstitute the J6 Committee.
The footage alone and what President Trump, if you look at Kash Patel's testimony, President Trump went out of his way to ensure there would be a safe capital.
Bowser and Pelosi and others went out of the way to make sure there wasn't a safe capital.
That has to be adjudicated in a formal process.
We need J6. And this time, we have to let the Democrats have a ranking member, and we have to have minority counsel.
They have to see the evidence and cross-examine the witnesses.
You can't have Cassie Hutchinson up there talking...
Crazy talk and not be cross-examined.
Any witness that would come forward has to be crossed by the Democrats.
And what you're going to see is the American people all of a sudden are going to see about a Fed's erection, are going to see how this was all fixed on January 6th.
That is going to be the next part of the Great Awakening, and that's where the push.
The other thing is, they had an article in the Washington Post about the RNC. And the RNC is saying, oh yeah, we're broke, but we're in 70 lawsuits.
Mark Elias, the demon, And look, he's brilliant, he's cunning, he's smart like a serpent, but he's a demon.
He says, by the way, we're involved in 650 lawsuits, and the Republican Party's only named in 28.
These guys don't know what they're doing.
The Mark Elias is the world, and he gave the roadmap for how 2020 was going to be stolen.
He put out the Transition Integrity Project, which Bill McGinley, Raheem Kassan broke down.
We went around the country, most of it in Zoom because of the But he walked through the mail-in ballots.
They walked through actually how they were going to steal the election in broad daylight.
This is going to happen again.
They have taken a blood oath among themselves that no matter how Trump does it and how Trump gets to victory, he will never set foot back in the White House again.
Because they understand day one is the deconstruction of the administrative state.
It's the ripping apart of the rogue element of the deep state.
It's setting Wall Street and Silicon Valley back in the proper places.
It's the reinstitution of a program to return America to a former greatness and make the citizen America first and American citizens first.
And they will fight that to their death to stop President Trump coming back.
That's why when people talk about the most important election, this is more than an election.
This is actually the taking back of the country from the powers that have driven it to the ground.
And that's why 2024 is going to be like no three or four years in American history.
Yeah, like, talk a little bit about it, because you're right with Elias and the lawfare and the things that they're doing, but, you know, talk about, you know, you had to deal with this from, you know, the administration standpoint and dealing with the RNC, and you understand those are different things, but, you know, what do you make out about that report saying they're low in cash, they can't raise money? Because, I mean, it feels like, I see it for the campaign, there's a lot of enthusiasm for Trump.
You know, talk about that delta so people understand the differences, and what are the changes you'd make?
First off, Don Jr., think about it.
In the next 10 days, we have Fox News and Hannity putting on a national debate with Ron DeSantis and Newsom, like national figures and some presidential kind of mock presidential debate.
To put them out in front of the country is actually guys that can lead this country, which is outrageous.
A week after that, they're in Alabama again, the RNC being dead broke.
And this is not me saying this or Don Jr.
This is the Washington Post going through the numbers and showing they got $9 million cash on hand.
And no small donors, because nobody watches your show, watches our show, going to hit you with a 50.
They'll hit Trump with a 50 dollar bill, but they're not hitting the RNC. They're putting on another bogus debate, which nobody watches for the simple reason if they feel that if some existential event like J6 or something like that hits Trump or the bankruptcy trial, They've got somebody ready to go.
They can push you the harder. But more importantly, they want to consolidate that 15% of Republican voters are just traditional Romney types that are anti-Trump.
They want to consolidate that around a Nikki Haley type and drive it all the way through the primary process.
And then in July of 2024, force Nikki Haley onto the ticket as Trump's running mate and
let her try to run the administration from number two.
Now, that's not going to happen, but that's their plan.
And the RNC, this article in the Washington Post, she ought to resign.
My candidate to run the RNC is you.
It's been you since back.
No, it should have been you immediately upon winning in 16.
We made a huge mistake letting Ronna take this from Reince.
She's been a total disaster.
It's time now for a business guy that can step up there that people respond to, particularly if they don't get the small donor They don't get the small donor program up and running again.
The RNC has no chance. It has no cash.
It has $9 million of cash right now, and it's bleeding out cash on things like this bogus debate in Alabama, and they're going to do another one, and they're going to do another one, and they're going to do another one, all to stop Trump.
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm watching the debates, and it was interesting.
I was talking to a good friend of yours, Andy Sarabian, earlier today, and I'm like, you know, I feel like, you know, we're like 50 days out from Iowa caucuses, and it's like, honestly, it sounds like people are bored.
Like, it's sort of a foregone conclusion, and it's one thing to have the debates if there was something, right?
I get it when, you know...
When Ron DeSantis influencers, you know, made it, you know, clipped him to turn him into a legend and whatever.
And then I was like, just wait till you see him in long form.
I can assure you it won't be nearly as good as when they do like a five second clip.
Turns out I was right. The second he actually had to take the mic, you know, it was a nosedive.
But you're right. They're forcing these debates for, I mean, at this point it's, It's like for a distant second place or maybe, you know, for the future dog catcher position, it is lunacy.
They're doing it. I mean, the all-time low viewership, but worse, they're going to, like, MSDNC and NBC News.
They're going to liberal places with liberal moderators Trying to get them to have a floor plate to dump on conservative values for these guys.
And everyone's going for it hook, line, and sinker.
I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
It makes no sense.
It only makes sense in a, by the way, Swerve is one of the smartest guys in politics I know.
But your thing about being bored for us, I want to miss this.
Vander Plaats, in the old days, a Vander Plaats endorsement, it would be the political talk for a week.
Yeah. Right? No one gives a crap who he is.
No one gives a crap. No difference whatsoever.
I think anybody's paying attention to it. Now your father's beating on him, right?
If your father didn't beat on him, it would be crickets, total crickets.
Nobody cares. And the reason is they know DeSantis.
And Rove the other day, I think, gave the Murdoch warning to DeSantis that, dude, if you don't win in Iowa, you've got to get out.
They want to clear the field for Nikki Haley right now.
They feel Christie performed his function.
DeSantis didn't have it.
They're all over Nikki Haley.
And you saw the other day in the football stadium, right?
I mean, come on. I mean, President Trump, Bigfooter, it's just not going to happen.
All of these debates right now, everything they're doing in this fake primary is to try to either slow Trump down, I think actually help Biden or Newsom.
I mean, it can't be random that Hannity and Fox are having Newsom on in a national debate to try to promote him as a national candidate.
So everything is to do slow down President Trump, hurt President Trump, or...
In addition, make sure that a Nikki Haley type sits there and starts to negotiate in July.
Oh, we can bring the party together, but we have to have a say-so in the administration, which cannot happen.
She's absolutely poisonous.
She's more ambitious than Lucifer.
Imagine how much...
You know, hey, it's Rumble, so I'll say it.
Imagine how much motherfucking would go on if it was Nikki Haley and her team, what they'd be trying to do to Trump behind his back from literally, like, first, second, like, to position herself for 2028.
I mean, listen, hey, that would be brutal.
But no, you're 100% right.
Also, hold it, hold it. Hang on.
You're not going to get up so easy. You're going to hit the bid here on the RNC? Yeah.
No, listen, I'm with you.
It's not working.
You know, it's not working.
There does have to be a change.
You need to satisfy the people.
The problem is this. The RNC, when we got into this in 16, they did a great job.
They had an operation. They did this.
But, like, they too weren't really looking for it.
You and I were both there. Because you and I were the only people that spoke up.
It was 16.
It was a couple weeks before the election.
And you had the Axis Hollywood tapes.
Billy Bush weekend. Billy Bush weekend.
That was a long fucking weekend.
And I get it, but it was a long weekend only because we believe what the news told us still at that point in time.
And we sat there in my dad's living room.
By the way, I give a hat tip to Jared because Jared actually got – remember, we rented the Hilton Ballroom to try to tell candidate Trump at the time, don't do the ABC interview.
We can get 1,000 red hats into the Hilton Ballroom in Midtown.
But there was three of us that basically said you got to throw down – the RNC wanted to cut and run and have what?
Yeah, no, RNC literally said – You should just get out now and concede and lose, or you'll lose in two weeks and it'll be worse.
I mean, I remember that was Reince Priebus.
And I'm sitting there being like, wait, I don't know.
I'm not getting out of a fight.
We got two weeks. It may suck.
It could be brutal, but we ain't quitting now.
I spent way too many hours all over the place, all on the road, to sit there and give up 10 days out.
And so you and I were the ones being like, I can't even believe we're having this conversation.
And he didn't.
By the way, I love rights.
That was the biggest not knowing how to read the room.
Trump, he sits there and goes, you can either drop out now or you're going to lose by the biggest landslide in history, like three weeks out.
I mean, Trump's a fighter. You know, what are you going to do?
You're going to walk away with three weeks to go over some locker room.
Remember, we said locker room.
Yeah, no, that was where locker room talk came up.
It's 100% right.
But listen, I still remember the press was brutal.
Everyone's crushing you. It was all they had.
And I remember I went back on the road on Monday, and it was actually to Iowa.
And I gave a speech, and it was like, you know me, I'm usually pretty high energy.
This was less than high energy.
I was sort of lackluster.
I was, you know, you didn't want to be there.
You think you're getting your ass kicked.
And three ladies, like proper, you know, good God-fearing Iowa patriotic ladies, pulled me aside after the speech and said, Sugar, I know why you're upset and you're not that high energy today.
Honestly, my girlfriends and I had ten times that conversation earlier today.
And it was like, oh, no one gives a shit.
You only cared because the media turned it into a big deal.
Everyone has had these conversations, maybe with the exception of Bob Van Der Plas, but
again, no one gives a shit about Bob Van Der Plas.
Those people are irrelevant in the party.
So in 16, when the establishment was 90% of the party, that methodology maybe worked.
Today, 90% of the party is America first.
They could care less about Republican Party.
If the RNC collapsed as an institution, they wouldn't care.
Now, there are components of it.
There are things that you need that to be a functioning system.
So, listen, you need to get that going.
Because also, hey, and I can tell you from experience...
I don't want to win the presidency if I don't think we can also win the House and the Senate, because my life will be four more years of Russia, Russia, Russia, version 2.0 or 12.0 at this point.
It'll be impeachment after impeachment.
You know, I gotta win the House races, too.
I want to win school board races.
I want to sweep the board because I understand what all of those things mean.
And so it's not just about the presidency for me.
If it was, you know, we could focus on that.
But we need those institutions to make sure that you can get guys in these congressional seats over the line.
In governor's races, over the line.
Again, school board, all the way down the board.
So, you know, that's an important thing.
And that's why you need those things to be there.
Because a Trump campaign...
They can drag some people across a line, but you don't have the time, energy, resources to be able to focus on those individual races.
That's why you have those big institutions.
So we need to get that going.
Well, we got, you know, you have Project 2025.
I think the team's over there doing a great job at Heritage and CRA of getting, you know, we're going to hit the beach with 3000 people.
Trump's policies, America first, boom.
We need a project 2024 right now.
We need the ability.
I just don't think this part's there.
I hear rumblings that are trying to come together.
We need to make sure it can't be stolen.
And we've got to focus at least initially on the battleground states, Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, the same ones they stole up before.
And there are many of the same reasons out there.
We need a maniacal focus on that right now.
I feel quite confident that with the momentum and President Trump's message, even as they're coming after him, and I think you're right, the more they come after him, the more we draw other people into the movement and say, hey, this guy's like Tupac, right?
Why are they coming after this guy?
But I don't feel comfortable at all that we can actually close.
And I think we need to get to that.
I think we need a and I just don't see the RNC taking leadership there.
I think they're out of money. And if they were serious about this, they would have stopped this process.
There's no primary in the Democratic Party.
There's none. You know, Kennedy's left.
These other guys are left. They got this now congressman from New York, or Minnesota.
He's not going to go away. The Democratic National Committee shut down the process.
The RNC... And by the way, they'd stop Kennedy if they thought that...
...focus on securing the vote in 2024. They'd figure out how to stop Kennedy even running as an independent unless they thought it hurt Trump.
And I saw that because this was definitely a PSYOP. And I want to get your take on the Kennedy thing because nine months ago I spoke to Andy again and some of that team that you know very well that I deal with daily.
And I was like, hey man, my social media feeds are being flooded with this guy and not from people I follow, from random stuff.
You could see, you know, big tech was trying to turn this guy into, like, another Trump.
Now, if you look at his record, anti-gun, pro-open borders, environmental insanity, you shut down farmers.
I mean, literally, like, the...
Like, a hardcore liberal.
He's a hardcore liberal that happened to be anti-vax.
That's about it. And they latched onto that.
What do you think's happening with that one?
Because you still see them pushing him as this guy trying to create, like, he's the conservative alternative as opposed to, like, maybe a rational Democrat.
And it's like, I've changed. It's like, you've changed every position in the last six to nine months.
Like, every position you've ever had is now different.
I don't buy it.
I think they didn't think about this, but I think he performed a very good function at the beginning of the primary, and I think that's why it was good he was in there.
Latipo, who's now under a lot of pressure, got a big political story about him, and I like Dr.
Latipo a lot, the Surgeon General of Florida.
Their strategy, I think, in DeSantis was to try to get to the right of Trump on vaccines and blame all the things on vaccines with President Trump right out of the box.
Kennedy, I think, took that total argument away from him.
I think that's one of the reasons DeSantis got, besides the fact that, as you know, the more you see, the less you like.
There's just not that much there.
And he's also not going to be president of the United States.
You can sense that.
He doesn't have the character.
He doesn't have the big picture.
You know, he went to London for that thing, and the city of London with the consultants and the investment bankers.
And I got feedback from guys around the room saying, this guy is not a Trump.
He's not a guy that's going to stand on the world stage with Putin or the mullahs.
Or B.B. or Xi or anything like that.
You see that he's a governor.
And I think Kennedy was, I think, very strong in the fact that it totally took away DeSantis' message because he really didn't have a message.
Kennedy is the anti-vax guy.
But Kennedy is a progressive. I don't.
When I look at the cross tabs and the numbers, I think this thing will fade like the morning dew with anybody that's Trump or Trump adjacent.
People are going to understand this, serious in this, and they're going to see Kennedy as a protest candidate, but he's not really a protest candidate for things that Trump believe in.
So I don't believe anything that he takes more away from President Trump than he takes away from Biden.
I think it'll be a bigger, and that's why I think he's going to have a very tough time for ballot access.
He may go into Michigan or something like this.
Biden's got trouble with Jill Stein, Cornel West, and Cornel West is not going to back off.
So look, Biden's in the high 30s.
I think he looks like a Carter type of incumbent.
This is the kind of guy I'll get, or even a Bush 41, the kind of guy who could get 39 to 41 percent.
The rest will be divvy up by the rest.
But I think President Trump could look at a 55% or higher number if it's not stolen.
And I don't just think the work, and I think, Don Jr., they're going to come at mail-in ballots, you know, machines in some places, mail-in ballots, just lack of process.
They're going to use the courts to fight us.
They got the AGs now in some of these states.
We're not going to be able to depend upon the courts to bail us out.
Like last time, you would expect courts to give you a venue to adjudicate this.
They've never given us a venue to adjudicate it.
So I think it's a dogfight.
And this is why I think this Project 2024, we have to get the best minds in here right now to say, okay, let's go through state by state, district by district to see in these key battleground states.
Look, we had Barris on this morning.
He's up 14 in Ohio.
He's up 10 in Iowa. He's up four in Pennsylvania.
He's up four in Michigan.
He's coming out today, I think, in Minnesota.
I think Biden's up one in Minnesota.
He was up by 10 in 2020.
So President Trump has closed the gap or has spreads right now, including an eight-point spread in Florida.
It's all about securing the vote.
It's all to make sure we're going to win the deal, but we've got to close the deal.
And I think that ought to be the focus right now on every different aspect of it.
Yeah, so with 49 days until the Iowa caucuses, you know, what do you predict happens there?
You have a morning consult poll shows that DeSantis and Kim Reynolds are now actually some of the least popular governors in America.
I think he was like 44 and she was like second to last at like 49, where they went from the...
I understand that DeSantis, I mean, he hasn't been in Florida since, you know...
Since he started his perpetual book tour, which was just the precursor to the campaign, but Kim Reynolds was one of the most popular governors in America.
That seems to be gone.
What's going on with there?
How are... I think, look, I think the pressure on DeSantis and Christie to clear out right after Iowa, in fact, I think it will be pressure on DeSantis to get out before, to clear the way in New Hampshire for Nikki Haley to try to get some traction there, and then to try to, you know, make a last stand down to South Carolina.
And you've got obviously the caucus in Nevada, which I don't think any of them would be competitive against President Trump.
I think they've got a tall order.
I don't even think it's a primary.
I think it's right now, it's Fox News and big donors trying to take a last stand of how they try to stop Trump and this populist movement.
And I think DeSantis was their first guy.
It's not working out. He's got all this ground game.
He's going to 99 counties.
He's got Cameron. He's got Vander Plaats.
It's not making a difference.
They're going to go out of their way to try to get.
And he's already been put on notice by Rove.
You either win and not come close second.
Either win, Iowa, or you've got to get out.
I think the pressure now is for those guys, if they can't take on President Trump in Iowa, The pressure will be Christie and DeSantis to get out of the race and to try to—all the never-Trump elements.
And there's big money in back of never-Trump.
And the reason is, is Trump takes care of working-class people.
Trump is a guy that represents the middle class in this country.
The big donors don't want that.
These are all open-border globalists, right?
The Ken Griffiths of the world, they cannot stand President Trump, and they hate MAGA even more.
So the pressure is going to be they want to consolidate the money in Fox News.
They struck out with DeSanctimonious.
They struck out worse with Youngkin.
This is their third shot, is Nikki Haley.
And I think you're going to see everything focused on New Hampshire.
To try to have Nikki Haley and have the media all spawning.
She's surging. She's so popular.
You'll see the same crap come on with that.
At the same time, put more pressure on President Trump on some of these legal cases.
I mean, Don Jr., think about it for a second.
How do you even keep it sorted?
I mean, I do this for a living as you do.
I sit down at night with the guys.
It's so complicated just to keep all the trials, what's going on, the motions and everything like that.
Think about President Trump. He's got that.
And he's everywhere. You know, I had a chance to talk to him the other day, and I said, what really struck me about how hardworking you are is when he went to the border, right, and was serving guys breakfast, right, after giving a speech the day before.
I mean, it's seven days a week, 24 hours a day.
They're going to try to sap that energy out of you.
And that's what this whole thing's about.
I think you're in a city of New Hampshire where they try to consolidate around Nikki Haley.
I think the sanctimonious is, and I think it first started with disloyalty to your father.
But I think people have weighed and measured this guy and just say, this is not, you know, Fox tried to sell us for a year and a half on this guy.
He's just not, and he's not, not just not going to be president of state now.
And it's not that he's hurt his career with MAGA by President Trump.
He's just not a guy that's going to be president of the United States.
You can kind of sense who's got it and who doesn't.
He just doesn't have it. Yeah, whether it was sort of, you know, the position, you know, he took the Trump-lite position on Ukraine, on Tucker Carlson, and, like, two days later, he gets a call from Ken Griffin or someone, and, no, I'm just kidding, we should fund wars forever, and this is a very America first, and, like, that's a big one.
You know, you could flip-flop on a small decision and change your mind over time, but like, you go out on a national platform, take something that understands the base, but then the guy that's writing the check tells you you gotta do the opposite.
By the way, honestly, the other one's the heel lifts, and it's not because I'm being petty about the heel lifts.
It's because the insecurity that it takes to do that.
I mean, you're walking like a—you know, he gets on Patrick Beddavid.
He pretends—he has no idea what's going on.
He's been trending for a week on Twitter about wearing heel lifts.
He has no idea. He's never heard this one before.
A, you're lying. You know, Trump would have made, like, you know, a dick joke or, you know, something like that.
It would have diffused the situation.
Instead, he got so awkward, and he continues to wear shoes that he's incapable of.
It's like if I put on high heels, I'd walk awkwardly, too.
But it's not the high heels.
It's the insecurity of not owning it.
Like, hey, you're not 5'11".
It's fine. If you're great at something, you can be that.
But the insecurity, that's the shit that gets us into wars throughout history.
This gets back to your previous comment about the Ukraine situation.
If you're going to run for president, you have to know who you are.
You can't figure that out.
Not only has his campaign been the White House.
I mean, Trump comes at it, and I realize he's not everybody's cup of tea.
But now people can compare.
It's not some theoretical discussion about DeSantis, about what he's going to do in Ukraine, or Nikki Haley, or what these people theoretically are going to do.
People have two empirical sets of evidence of brutal facts.
You have four years of peace and prosperity in a chaotic time, and you have the Biden regime.
Just look at your lived experience. Don't tell me elections are about the futures.
Elections are about now and the lived experience of people and how they project it's going to be
going forward. Just look at the two sets of facts of peace and prosperity versus this chaos
everywhere. Home, abroad, the capital markets, everywhere.
If you compare that, this is a 60-40 race with Trump if they can't steal it.
If you look at DeSantis and these guys, and that's the thing about the heels, the heels are 100% correct.
If you're 5'7 or 5'8, just own it, dude.
I mean, you're trying to be the leader of the free world.
You can't sit there and fake this.
Being a couple of inches taller, first off, you're not going to be taller than Trump.
He's, what, 6'2", 6'3", right?
Just be who you are.
And this is what about the sanctus, I think, is people seen over time.
It's not just the changing positions.
It's kind of these massive flip flops on things of fundamental importance, the Ukraine thing being very serious.
We're either going to be America first and not spread over hell's half acre fighting, you know, a war for the Russian speaking Eastern border of Ukraine.
Which is not in the vital national security entity in the United States and not doing anything on the southern border.
So I think that gets back to this insecurity and not knowing who you are.
I think people have seen this.
But more importantly, I think people look at, hey, let me look at 2017.
Look, 17, 18, and 19, culminating in 19, were golden years.
This is why the CCP, you know, cooked up the bioweapon.
They knew they had to. You look at the convergence of the Summer of Love, of the BLM, of the George Floyd situation.
Look at Esper and Milley.
Look at everything that was going on in the world, everything that they had to do to thwart Trump.
And it's still what? It was still, at the end of the day, 70,000 votes or 50,000 votes in three states.
They did everything they could possibly do.
So I think people look back at that time and said, hey, mean tweets and all.
I want this guy back.
This guy is a leader.
This guy has been very plain-spoken about what he intended to do in 2016, and he did it.
He's very plain-spoken now about what he wants to do in taking on the administrative state and the deep state, securing the country's border, taking care of the financial crisis.
And people, I think, intuitively trust him because he kind of lays out what he's going to do, and then he does it.
You don't have any hide-the-football.
And that's what I think you get with the Nikki Haley, the neoliberal neocons, it's always hide the football.
It's always donor speak.
It's always speak from like 30 years ago that doesn't resonate in people's lives today.
And I think Trump, this is why Don Jr., I think it's as much a cultural movement as a political movement now because he's bringing in ethnicity and races and different people in the working class to an age group.
Remember, nobody thought we could ever talk to under 30 years old anymore, particularly with TikTok.
Right now, I think Biden's up one point in the best poll on under-30s, and it's only going to get better as the economy gets worse.
Yeah, you're right. I mean, that's the whole thing, is sort of being true to the basics, right?
You've probably seen me do the surveys at the rallies, you know, 5,000 people, 10,000 people, 15,000 people.
Is Ukraine and funding another never-ending war, is it even a top-10 issue?
I had one person raise his hand one time, over like 30,000 people, and the guy happened to be from Ukraine, so I literally asked.
I was like, only guy that's ever— It's not even a top 10 for our base.
And yet, if you ask Ron DeSantis now, contrary to what he told Tucker, if you ask Nikki Haley, it's the only thing that matters.
We've got to be in another never-ending war.
Not a single person voting for you thinks it's a top 10 issue.
They want to secure our border.
They want to get rid of fentanyl.
They want to stop human trafficking.
They'd love to have inflation reduced to Trump levels.
None of this insanity. They'd love to see their mortgage payment not be double.
Some pretty basic stuff.
And yet, if you ask any of the people on that stage, practically, we've got to fund Ukraine.
To what end? We're going to fund another corrupt regime, create the next set of oligarchs in Ukraine instead of Russia, and we don't even know what the end result is.
We don't even have goals. It's lunacy, but they're going to push this stuff on you ad nauseum, and it's scary.
So that's the other part about those flip-flops.
It's like, well, you can tell me what you want to hear, but if you flip-flop in there, you don't think once you get to D.C. and you actually, you know, the entire machine is working on you.
You think you're going to hold true to your word?
You think that's easy? It ain't easy.
You know, I've seen that, and I think you've seen people and the lack of resolve that they actually have.
Talk is cheap. Republicans have been talking to Americans, telling them all the things they're going to do, moving the embassy in Jerusalem, yada, yada, yada, yada.
All the things they're going to do. Middle East peace, wonderful.
It sounded great. Great soundbite.
Only Trump actually did it.
Everyone's been saying it for my entire lifetime and probably longer.
Trump's the only one that actually delivered on those promises, and that's a big difference.
Talk is cheap. If you look at right now in the Middle East, if you look at Ukraine, you look in the South China Sea, where they came over to Biden to get a bailout and to get him to back off Taiwan, and they're challenging American destroyers even as we speak in the South China Sea.
If you look at those three, I think people, and this is what I think is starting to resonate very deeply, that in a chaotic world that has the KGB in Moscow, the Mullahs in Tehran, Xi and the criminal gang of the CCP in Beijing, These are bad hombres.
And you need a man of resolve.
And you saw that in the pressure cooker of the West Wing in the Oval Office and down there in the National Security.
They would try to mislead Trump all the time.
I mean, Esper's book says that.
Milley, I actually broke down the 60 Minutes interview that Milley did that is just outrageous.
I mean, they were not just disloyal.
They were disloyal to the Constitution and disloyal to the Constitution about who is the president is also the commander in chief.
Trump took all that pressure and he gave us four years of peace.
Remember, Bolton, these guys wanted to light rockets off all the time into Persia.
And it's not like they were winning a lot of wars before this.
I mean, these are not our finest.
You know, I wish we had like operators running the military, not bureaucrats, because then...
Stuff would actually get done, but we don't.
We have bureaucrats and we have a secretary of state who will get up there and he's, and I quote, shocked and dismayed that the Taliban did not install a more diverse and inclusive government after we lost the country in 13 days.
These are not serious people.
But, you know, you mentioned the South China Sea.
China's testing out new aircraft carriers.
They're rapidly building more ships, far outpacing us.
What do you think happens if they try to invade Taiwan?
Because, you know, if you're looking at what's going on in Ukraine, we're depleted.
We're getting rid of our stockpiles.
We've sent $150 billion over there because, you know, what's $150 between friends?
$220 billion misplaced by the Pentagon.
America's tapped out.
Whatever their timeline, and I'm sure there was a timeline one way or the other of them taking back Taiwan, I imagine it's been rapidly accelerated.
But are we just totally asleep at the wheel right now, or is there other stuff going on?
Does a ship not matter as much today with technology where things are going towards AI and drones and whatever it may be?
I think your father's resurgent, and particularly in the polls and when people...
Look, because the Taiwanese keep very close taps on American politics.
You know, 2024 is a year of massive elections throughout the world.
It starts in January with the election in Taiwan.
And up until 72 hours ago, they were putting together a coalition of the pro-CCP parties led by the Foxconn chairman, Terry Guo, who we worked and got out of the primary back four years ago.
This is all collapsed.
In San Francisco, folks should understand.
It's basically for Biden to kowtow and say, hey, Taiwan, it's the one China policy.
It's just a rogue province.
It's yours. And then they have the 400 leaders essentially kowtow to President Xi and really talk about getting rid of the terrorists and everything.
Look, President Trump has tremendous respect.
For the CCP as far as their power in China.
But he put them on notice about going out to the rest of the world and quite frankly tariffs to make sure that we were not underwriting, we were not financing their growth.
And those policies he put in is quite frankly why Xi's in this position today.
Remember, they're having a massive margin call.
Yeah. is the fact of the policies President Trump put in there for tariffs and restricting them on getting access to American capital markets, both the equity market and the debt market, and to cut them off in technology.
What President Trump did in really containing the CCP is legendary.
Who's the Washington Post correspondent and no Trump fan.
The book Chaos Under Heaven, if you read the whole thing through, I mean, President Trump from the beginning, and you remember this, Don Jr., every advisor in D.C. and the Republican Party is all for rapprochement, is all for it.
President Trump really said, no, we're going to make sure we're going to bring manufacturing jobs back.
My my my goal is not the city's trap.
We're not the declining power.
They're not the rising power.
Under Trump leadership, we're going to return to being the ascending power.
And that totally threw their game off.
And that's why I think they need to bail out today.
In this election in Taiwan, the opposition that was going to be the pro-CCP and try to have rapprochement immediately is now in chaos.
And the reason is, these people see President Trump returning.
And they're saying, hey, why give up our freedom now when we may be a year away From really having an entire different mindset and one that's just not going to be there for four years, one that could be there for 20 or 30 years.
So, you know, people know you as the naval officer.
They probably know you least from, you know, your banking side.
You mentioned you'd worked at Goldman Sachs for a long time prior to this.
So, you know, just a well-rounded guy in terms of overall life experience.
What do you see as the warning signs in the economy right now?
I mean, you know, there's the obvious ones with interest rates going through the roof.
And, you know, people have sort of gotten used to 2% interest rates.
And, you know, when your rate jumps up and Your five-year arm readjusts at 6.5%.
You know, I could see the housing markets being a total disaster in the not-too-distant future.
But, you know, you've been a step ahead in so many of these things.
What direction are the markets heading?
I mean, the stock market continues to stay, you know, pretty high.
It doesn't actually make sense to me.
Maybe there's still some of the stupid money, COVID money, hanging around there, boosting it up.
But what are the next steps and how bad does it get?
The stock market is focused on the Magnificent Seven, those big seven tech companies.
I think if you look at the bond market, it's the worst two years in the history of this republic for a bond market.
If you had a 30-year treasury, it's 50 cents on the dollar.
We're defaulting on our debt all the time to the bondholders.
This is the thing. The bond market is 10 times the stock market.
What I focus on is the fact that we hit $33 trillion on the 18th of September.
We're going to hit $34 trillion on the 28th of December.
In 100 days, we're adding a trillion dollars.
The refinancing of the 33 trillion is what's killing us.
It's no longer even the Fed has, I don't think, has all that much control.
The refinancing of a third of the debt all the time, and remember, Because they can't sell the 30s anymore, you're doing these auctions every week or every couple of weeks, and they're just doing notes.
They're trying to do it as short-term as possible because they'd have to pay so much for the 30 right now because people are getting killed if interest rates move.
I think the structural change From the negative interest rates and from the 1% that the elite used to bail themselves out.
And your father, to me, his greatest tweet ever, I think it was in 2012, he puts out a tweet and says, hey, let me tell you something.
The best opportunities you're going to have in your career right now are buying real estate and stocks or where they are because this infusion of liquidity is going to try to save the system.
I mean, it was the best call I've ever seen as far as timing goes.
Right now, I think it's the reverse.
I think we're into the law of large numbers.
Right now, it's going to overwhelm the system.
Think about it. We're having this fight on January 19th.
The budget we have today, the last one had a $2 trillion deficit.
This one's going to have a $2 trillion deficit annually.
We can't sell the bonds on what we've got.
We're going to have $2 trillion deficits, as far as the eye can see, unless somehow we get control of the spending.
And the reason is that the structural change in interest rates mean that the interest rates are going to be over a trillion dollars.
We call that back in July and August, and people are laughing at us.
I said, no, the interest payment this year is going to be $1 trillion.
Don Jr., I think it'd go to $1.25.
I think this thing is so far out of control, and nobody's serious.
Look, it's a restructuring.
We're having a margin call as a nation.
The whole world at $300 trillion is having a margin call.
The only guy that can negotiate this with all parties, I think, is Donald Trump.
And when I sit there and people go, well, it's all the entitlements.
You've got to get to Social Security, Medicare.
I go, hang on for a second. Are you telling me that we're financing countries all over the world, we're putting $200 billion in Ukraine that the guys are stealing 20% off the top, that we shipped all the high-value added jobs to China, and the American working man and woman are going to sit there, and before you take care of discretionary spending and get a hands around the defense budget and why we're all over Hell's Half Acre, until you show you can do that, they're supposed to give up the $1,000 check they get in Social Security, the little bit they get in Medicare.
Yeah, because that's not an entitlement.
They actually paid into that over their lifetimes, right?
You know, you mentioned good Trump tweets.
Also, with the back-breaking labor they did to build this country, they're not going to sit there.
If you prove, if a Trump, a guy like a Trump that can sit in a room and bang some heads in negotiations, you take care of the discretionary spending and work a program really to a balanced budget and show people that we're taking care of American citizens first.
We're not funding all this crap.
We're not bringing these people in at a half a trillion dollars a year.
And paying for everything, for education, their healthcare, all of it.
If you show the American working man and woman that, they're prepared to say, okay, let's sit down and let's talk about this entitlement situation over the years.
Until that time, it's just laughable.
And to have Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis and Chris Christie sit there and talk about it, it's lunacy.
It's going to lose your elections and it's also detached from reality.
They don't trust politicians.
Donald Trump's not a politician.
Donald Trump is a leader.
He's led this country and in every day they came after him and made everything impossible in that White House for those four years.
He delivered four years of peace and prosperity.
And the only way we got off track at all is when they let a bioweapon off.
You go back and look at that track record of 17 and 18 and 19 and it's three of the greatest years in American history with an administrative state and a deep state and a media in Silicon Valley and the oligarchs of Wall Street trying to rip his face off.
That's what working class people who are low information voters, they're not into politics, They're low-propensity voters.
They're saying, hey, that Trump guy, I want to go back to those times.
He said stuff straight for it, and then he did it.
He stood up to these criminals throughout the world, and he had peace in the world.
He didn't get us into a bunch of wars.
He shut wars down.
That's the guy I want, and that's why I think this is an amazing historical moment for the American people.
Yeah, it reminds me of the other great Trump tweet.
You know, there were many, but many that I'd wake up at about five in the morning and be like, oh God, I gotta answer that one.
But the other great one was like, I hope we don't find life on another planet because God knows we just start sending them money.
And, you know, we can't take of people who've been paying into the system for a long time, but we can send everyone who hates our guts all the money in the world.
So yeah, you need someone who can put an end to that nonsense.
And I think, and that's why they fear him so much.
They understand now that he knows where the bodies are buried.
Now that he knows who the people that are loyal are.
Now that he knows, it was different coming in as an outsider.
That had its advantages, but you still believe that, no, if this guy's working in government, he wants to do something good for the people.
It's all nonsense.
It has nothing to do with that at all.
Your father has a great phrase that I love.
It's my favorite phrase. No games.
No games, right?
He doesn't want any games. This administration, this second term, his third victory in the second term, will be the no games, the no games term.
He knows where the bodies are buried.
He knows what has to be done.
He's not going to be happy-talked by people or spun.
And that's why they fear it.
That's why all of a sudden it's the rise of fascism.
They're the pro-democracy people, what they're doing with the FBI and DOJ. You know, every day it's going to be Donald Trump's fascist movement, authoritarian.
There's no holds barred.
I'm just telling people, be ready in 24 and in 25 when he takes over.
You're going to see things that are going to shock you that could actually happen in America.
And that's why I think a guy like President Trump, who's not a politician, who came from the rough-and-tumble business of commercial real estate in New York City and Midtown Manhattan, Is exactly a guy you need again.
He's the modern Cincinnatus.
He could have retired. None of this would have happened.
They're taking away his company, or they're trying to put him in prison for 700 years.
They're trying to take him off the balance so the American people can't get a shot at even voting for him.
They're doing those things because they fear so much of what he's done, and none of that would have happened.
This is why he's a hero. None of that would have happened if he had just gone back to Mar-a-Lago and said, let's buy some more golf courses, build some more hotels.
All of it would have gone away.
I got to tell you, it's the only third time in the history of the country that the fate of one man is tied to the fate of the republic.
It happened with General Washington, it happened with President Lincoln, and now it's happening with Donald J. Trump.
And they know it. They know that's why he's their target.
So what are some of the lessons from the first administration?
I mean, you were there that would guide the second term and what that will look like.
You know, what are the staffing decisions that you'd like to see be made, you know, that you just, you know, either couldn't have force on or just, you know, again, wouldn't have known just coming in from an outsider?
Because, I mean, I think we can all agree that, you know, there were mistakes that were made there.
You know, I'll say that. I've told my father that.
I think it's very... Very simple.
I think you need people.
Look, the program doesn't have to be complicated for what we need to do to get the country back on track.
But I think, number one, you need to pick people of courage and conviction.
And those convictions have to be in the MAGA. You have to have core beliefs in what President Trump stands for in the MAGA movement.
Okay? If you have that and you have the ability to take a punch, Because they're going to try to destroy anybody that comes in here.
That's why I think the 2025 project is so important.
Remember, we have 3,000 people that don't need Senate confirmation.
They can hit the beach running immediately.
And you remember when we won, the transition.
Of course it was a little chaotic, right?
Because first off, there's not that many MAGA people, even among conservatives at the time, or in the Republican Party.
There are many more today. So there's 3,000 that hit the beach running that you've basically vetted for two years, and you have a policy set that we're going to go into the apparatus, into the administrative state, and put it in place right away.
I think that, and then I think the senior people around you have to be united in their beliefs of President Trump's basic program.
Right? America first and make America great again, both economically, culturally, militarily, and as a society, right?
And I think one of the big things is going to be the deportation of 10 million illegal aliens and also getting hands around this enormous debt that we've got that only a guy that knows how to negotiate is going to be able to do.
So I think the staffing is just get Look, you've got the Cash Patels, you've got the Rick Grinnells.
The talent pool is actually quite deep.
I'm not actually that concerned with the staffing.
I mean, you know the top 20 or 30 people that ought to be around him.
I think everybody can name names, and we have some great people, and solid people, and not just that.
These are people that will not back down.
Yeah, that's what they've been run through the ringer.
You know, they also have a vendetta, you know, in the New York Times, like Trump's running on a vendetta to destroy the government.
I'm like, you had me. But like, wow, that's that's even better.
But you're right. These people have been wrong.
They've been treated like garbage.
They've been ridiculed, thrown out, you know.
When they come back in, they'll actually do real things.
I told Andy earlier today, the only job I'd want in the administration, I want to be the guy on the transition team that just vetoes all the establishment cucks.
I just want to be the guy to be like, nope, that guy's a POS, no way is he getting in through...
I want nothing to do with it after that because, you know, I won't get the Hunter Biden treatment in D.C. I just want to be the guy that stops any establishment asshole from getting into this administration so that we could actually be effective.
No, but with the 30 or 40 or 50 hardcore tough people, that's a corpus of real change.
And they know that. That's why this is going to get...
People haven't seen anything yet.
This is nothing. Well, talk about that, because I mean, what's your take on sort of the establishment media?
You saw Fox News go sort of full Ron DeSantis lap dance for two years.
Now they're flip-flopping to Nikki Haley pretty quickly, because they just...
For them, I assume it's about control, but You know, what relevance and influence do you think they'll have in 2024?
And compare that to previous cycles, because there's no question to me that their influence is waning.
People are getting it. They understand.
William Macy was in this great film, if you haven't seen it, called The Cooler.
We're in Vegas. The casinos actually have a guy, if you're too hot on the craps table, are playing poker.
They send you over as the cooler.
I think Murdoch News, since Ailes is gone, I think they're the cooler.
I mean, DeSantis, they had him for a year and a half.
They had specials.
They had town halls.
They had everything. And he completely flopped.
They pushed him as the grid. That's why he raised so much money.
He was on Fox nonstop.
I call it TV for stupid people.
There was a cool... Then Yunkin.
Everything was Yunkin. Yunkin was going to do...
Yunkin's going to do that. Gone.
And then not. It's about...
They can't control President Trump.
Listen. Remember, the first debate in the 16th cycle, I think it was the first week of August of 15th, Megyn Kelly came out right out of the box and tried to kneecap him right there.
They tried to end the campaign right there because Murdoch understood that Trump was someone he couldn't control.
He had Rubio. He had Bush.
You're seeing the same things now.
It shouldn't be lost on people that the RNC, the moderator for News Nation, which is Abrams and Cuomo's channel, right?
The moderator, I think, is Megyn Kelly, right?
Just a random choice.
So no, I think that their influence has definitely waned.
And the reason is it shows like yours, The War Room.
There's so many great venues and podcasts that people can get real information.
I know you've got the same problem I have.
I always feel like I'm behind the audience.
The audience is getting other things from other podcasts and those things in so much detail, and they want the receipts.
They don't want any, you know, high rhetoric.
They want the receipts. That, I think, has broken the Fox model.
I don't think Fox... I call Fox the cooler.
Anybody they put up against Trump, if Kemp's next after Nikki Haley, is not going to succeed because the Trump basis is so fast.
It's not that they don't keep Fox on during the day as background noise, but I think the rest of the media is so bought in on democracy and freedom, and this is our thing we've got to pitch.
They're the social credit score party.
They want state capitalism and authoritarian rule, kind of the Chinese model.
That's what works for them.
And that's why they detest Trump.
They detest Trump because he's a true populist.
They detest Trump because he's an anti-globalist.
He actually is a nationalist.
It's America first and American citizens first and return America to our greatness, which is against everything they stand for.
But I think that's waning.
I think the New York Times is waning.
I think the Wall Street Journal is waning.
I think it's particularly waning, the Wall Street Journal, not just their business coverage.
I think their editorial page, which is so virulently anti-Trump, It's also lost a lot of following of people that matter, which is the voters in this country.
So no, I think when your father said early on that the media is the enemy of the people, I think that people understood that.
They didn't need to go to the thesaurus to look up what he was talking about.
Yeah, and if they didn't, they do now.
You know, the other question I get a lot on the sort of the mainstream is, you know, what happened to Matt Drudge, right?
The Drudge Report used to be a place you'd go to check your, you know, at least conservative leaning or at least not insanely liberal.
And now you look at it and it's like they're literally just doing the bidding of the radical left.
I don't even check it anymore.
I deleted the app. And we came up with other alternative news sources because there is so few mainstream.
Taylor Butowich with MXM News created an app myself so that people could see the stuff that used to appear there that no longer does it.
But you're right. Guys like you and me are just trying to get this out there in other ways.
But what happened there?
Because that one was just like...
One day it was great, and the next day it just went full libtard, and it hasn't come back at all.
It's not even relevant anymore, it seems.
So you'd think that would be a mistake for what was once perhaps one of the most powerful places to check news in the world.
Aggregators like yours, aggregators like Citizens Free Press, Revolver, these are so popular.
Gateway Pundit, these things have massive audiences now.
I am of the theory that Matt had to have sold a stake.
Because it's flipped so radically.
I mean, he was one of the first people to actually get Trump, right, early on.
And it flipped so radically in the first couple of months of the first term.
I've just always been of the belief it can't be Matt Drudge running it.
I'm sure he's involved somehow, but I always assumed that he sold a stake and there's somebody else actually calling the shots because the flip was so...
Complete. And actually, President Trump was just trying to enact the policies he ran on that Drudge, you know, got right away.
So I don't believe any of these theories that he always wanted to be, you know, on the outside looking in because it's so mainstream media now.
I mean, essentially, it could be it could be put up or populated with stories from MSNBC. So I happen to think he sold a stake and somebody else is actually calling the shots, although he may still be the front man.
So I gotta ask, we're very clear we don't want to be funding a war in Eastern Europe.
I'm pretty sure I don't want to be funding them in the Middle East either.
But we see, you know, sort of the Hamas terror attacks and really the consequences of emboldening evil.
I mean, we're seeing, you know, our alma maters, you know, they're chanting, you know, not even like to enable the existence of a Palestinian people, but like just encouraging Hamas and the murder and rape of women and children in the streets.
What should the role and the extent of America's involvement in the region there be and the support of Israel?
Because again, I don't think we want to just be giving people blank checks.
I do think there's a little bit of a difference.
And I'd love to hear your take on everything that's going on there right now, what we should and should not be doing.
We shouldn't be looking into going out.
First off, the post-war international rules-based order, which President Trump said, look, didn't work for us.
That's a series. If you go around the Eurasian landmass from NATO to the Gulf Emirates and Israel in the Middle East, all the way to the lateral nations of the South, trying to see, and then up to Northwest with Korea and Japan.
Those four areas are a series of – when you talk about this rules-based order, it's a series of capital markets, commercial relationships, trade deals, multinational, transnational like the UN, other rules-making bodies.
But all of those are underwritten by an American security guarantee.
That's what President Trump, he said, look, we're upside down on all these trade deals.
We've shipped all the high-value-added manufacturing jobs overseas.
We provide, this is why we have a trillion-dollar defense budget.
We're everywhere. We're patrolling the South China Sea to having soldiers up in the Hindu Kush in Afghanistan.
We still have a large army in Europe.
And these guys, we're not looking for protectorates.
We're looking for allies. And allies have to step up.
That's why he demanded that NATO follow its own rules.
And pay the 2% of GDP that they pay when we're paying, what, 3.5%.
So President Trump had a very thought through element that we're not an empire.
Our founders were a revolutionary generation against an empire.
I mean, they got out of the British Empire when British Empire was just taking off because they said, we have to have our own deal here.
We have to be ruled by our own people.
And President Trump, that's the macro.
And so we don't get sucked in these wars, but President Trump also understood the issue with Sharia supremacists.
And it's not something people want to talk about.
When President Trump put in the travel ban, we weren't hit.
Remember all the terror attacks we had for years under Obama?
Remember Obama told us that the caliphate, the physical caliphate of ISIS was going to take a generation to get rid of because, quite frankly, they had a bigger physical caliphate Between Syria and Iraq and Iraq and Syria.
They did it in two weeks once they let the operators make decisions on the ground rather than the bureaucrats.
You know, it wasn't that hard, folks.
No, President Trump took down ISIS and President Trump kept to say there were no terror attacks.
Why? He started really putting in guidelines to make sure that people that want to do us harm couldn't come here.
The thing in Israel right now, and I think the Israeli leadership took their eye off the ball here.
This is clearly the Persians in one area and the Muslim Brotherhood in the other.
The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas is the local franchisee, and of course all the Shiite militias are all from the Persians and all from that other brand of Sharia supremacist Islam.
And that's the problem. If you look at here, what's happening at your alma mater over at Harvard, you see these people, and they're making this chant about Israel being colonizers, Israel being oppressors.
Well, that's the same thing they're doing at Columbus Circle about Columbus.
It's the same argument the other day on Thanksgiving.
They say, well, no, it's an indigenous people day.
It's got to be truth-giving, not Thanksgiving.
They're basically making the point that the Anglo-Protestants that came here and helped build this great country are oppressors.
Our, you know, our colonizers, just like the Israelis are, this battle is against really Sharia supremacism.
You're seeing it in the streets of London.
You saw it the other day in Ireland with this.
You're seeing this is what Gert Wilders is fighting.
This is what your father's always stood up for.
Look, I'm not for getting into another Middle East war.
My daughter served in the 101st over in Iraq, and my kid brother was in the Qaddafi situation as a pilot back in the mid-80s.
We're not looking to get into another Middle East war, but I think this speaks larger to what's going to happen in this country.
This is really an attack on the Judeo-Christian West.
We have to take it very seriously.
Now, my biggest concern is, quite frankly, with the Israeli government.
I mean, I have a lot of questions on how that possibly could have happened on 7 October.
I mean, Don Jr., you're having, and I'm not trying to point at the victims, but let's be honest.
If, you know, the Muslim Brotherhood guys are monsters, there's no question about that.
You saw what they did. But there were monsters on the 6th of October and the 5th of October.
You can't have Burning Man down a half a mile from Gaza.
You can't have these kibbutzes where people can't arm themselves.
And quite frankly, the IDF was not on top of things.
It was seven or eight hours.
You had old IDF generals taking cars down and driving down and killing guys, but there
wasn't kind of organization.
That's why I think we really have to have it.
I mean, now you would need a President Trump more than ever.
It shouldn't be lost on you that when President Trump started taking out senior-level bad guys, Netanyahu and these guys a bunch of times bailed on him.
So we're not looking for Israel to be a protector, but if they're going to be an ally, they've really got to be an ally.
And I think this deal they're cutting right now with Hamas...
It's absolutely terrible. I understand the hostages are a heart-rendering situation, but if you let this continue on, you're going to be in the same situation with the Muslim Brotherhood.
And the Muslim Brotherhood is to eradicate not simply Israel, it's out to eradicate the United States of America.
Yeah, and you're 100% right.
I said it, you know, the day of, the day after.
You know, the IDF between Mossad and, you know, I find it hard to believe that a bunch of, you know, not insophisticated people, but, you know, not clearly at their level, you know, you have all these IDF soldiers be like, I used to stand guard there, and we have sensors that could detect a mouse going across the line, but, you know... A hundred guys in motorized paragliders, there was nothing that was picked up?
It just doesn't seem right, given my understanding of their capabilities.
And that's not a conspiracy theory.
That's just stating a fact. It is not commensurate with everything we know.
Now, maybe they got lucky, but there's definitely something strange.
Steve, I've got to ask you this one, because my questions and the comments down here are getting blown up on this one.
We've always got to give the people what they want.
But how do we make sure...
That we can overcome Democrat election rigging efforts.
Whether it's, you know, again, there was people always, well, no, there wasn't a systematic, I was like, no, no, no, one guy in one precinct with a couple thousand ballots here can change entire outcomes.
And just because they did it one way here doesn't mean they did it the same way in another state or even another precinct within that state.
How do we address that fully?
We talked about it a little bit with the RNC and the money.
We talked about it with the lawfare.
You sort of alluded to some of the other organizations that are out there.
Give people the details of who they can follow, be watching, ultimately support to make sure we can solidify that.
And again, we're going to have to overcome what I call the margin of fraud.
There's going to be fraud.
We've got to beat it. I know I'll be labeled a person who's for hate speech, and I'm a terrible person because I think if you need an ID to buy Sudafed at the grocery store, you should probably also need one to vote.
Minor details like this, but I understand that's all apparently racist and xenophobic.
So how do we address this?
What are the things that you see?
What are the organizations outside of this?
I'm so concerned about this.
I think there's only one way that you have a command and control structure to do it.
The RNC and the state parties, the state parties, they would want to do it and help, but there's so much lack of money and the RNC is not, they even give Yunkin any cash.
You know, they didn't even give him a million dollars at the state party level.
I think there's only one solution.
The only one solution, I think this is why Susie Wiles is so important and the other people around the president, which is a very thinly staffed thing.
I hate to put another burden on him.
This can only come, I think, right now, given the late hour from the campaign itself.
I think President Trump has to designate a couple of...
Look, he's got the legal team.
I think there has to be immediately...
A designated team of people that do nothing.
And they report to Susie and then to President Trump.
Because I imagine, knowing him like I do, that this is a big...
He can feel the momentum.
He can feel the love.
He can feel the issue set is with us.
All these new young people are coming to us, right?
The world's continuing in chaos, so we have all the momentum.
Right now, it's the issue, like before, of getting 74 million votes and having it stolen right in front of you where the guy wins by 50 or 60,000 votes.
The only solution I see, given the late hour of this, given the disarray, At the state party level and at the RNC, it has to be at the campaign.
Susie has to deputize one or two people like we did in 16, have to do it.
We have to have a coming together.
We have to have an immediate like Marshall program for this.
You have to have the best and the brightest.
There's a number of great groups out there.
Some of them are working maybe across purposes for each other, but there's tremendous lawyers out there.
There's tons of volunteers.
This is the number one issue on people's mind when I go to Pennsylvania, I go to Arizona, wherever I go and people talk about it.
There's tons of people that volunteer for this.
I think there's tons of small donor donations that would open to this if you showed a plan.
And right now, given that we're at the end of November of 2023, to me, the only solution, it's got to be hardwired into the 2024 campaign.
That's the only thing I would feel comfortable with.
Yeah, and there's guys that you trust along the way.
Let a turning point take Arizona, because they're based there in another state.
There's probably great groups that you can do it.
I think the biggest thing is not have, and we've seen this in politics, right?
Everyone... Everyone gets paid to do something.
They want to make money. So they want to control everything.
They want to control all the dollars.
It's like the DeSantis super PAC. It all goes through with Jeff Rowe entities.
They raise $100 million and $70 million goes into his pocket to get you a big whopping nothing now.
We don't have that money to use.
It's the control of the money, but I also want to make sure the president's in the loop.
I mean, he's got tremendous instincts in this thing.
And hey, everybody's got a lot of battle scars from 2020.
Look, Don Jr., you were there with us every day in 2016.
I thought we did a pretty good job.
63 million votes.
I thought we basically went out and got them all.
74 million votes is next level.
Next level. And I was there.
So October 2020, I did 104 rallies myself.
Some with Kim, but I did three, four a day for the month of October 2020.
I did as many back in 2016 as well.
A little less infrastructure, but we were there.
If you asked me on election day, even with COVID, even with all the bullshit, the enthusiasm, which one was better, I could tell you, no question, 2020.
Now, you don't have COVID. You have the disastrous Biden economy.
You have inflation. You have us being on the brink of multiple wars.
You can't really weaponize COVID against Trump.
And you have literally everything that affects every person's lives being a total disaster under Biden.
So you've... The cruddle has sort of flipped and switched, so the enthusiasm is there even more, again, even than 2020 from what I'm seeing on the ground already, and we're not even sort of in prime time yet.
The fact set's going to be wrong.
They're going to try to do something, but we just can't take any of it for granted.
Everyone has to be all hands on deck.
And I know how they brief him on policy.
I know how they brief him on the schedule and how the campaigns go in the polling.
I want that same brief.
I want a 30 minute brief every day to him because he's on top of it.
And whether it's Charlie's group in certain areas, look, there's a number of different groups that can be part of this.
But to me, the command and control structure, look, if we were talking two or three years ago, maybe we could do it differently.
It didn't happen for a lot of reasons.
I think principally because the RNC was not focused on this, this should be their responsibility in the state parties.
There's no time to point blame.
It didn't happen. The only way this can happen, I believe, to ensure that we close on a victory is hardwired in so that President Trump can see it every day, see a dashboard every day, knows he's in charge of things, says, you know, he knows how to Oversee big operations and ask the right questions.
That's where I think we've got to get hardwired in.
Whatever that coalition is underneath it, the management structure, I think you could work that out in 30 days.
We could start the new year off, boom, and be hitting on all cylinders.
This is not quantum mechanics.
It's pretty straightforward, but it's tons of detail work and you need hard, tough people on top of who are not going to back off, not going to happy talk the president, going to tell me exactly where we stand.
And that's the way we're going to secure a landslide to the degree that you're saying, I think we can pick up seats in the House.
I think we can take the Senate.
I think we can win a bunch of governorships.
I think we take back state legislatures.
I think we win a ton of school board.
We could be on the cusp of a sweeping, massive landslide if we don't let it slip out of our fingers.
The only way I think we ensure that right now is to hardwire as close to President Trump as possible.
So what's your best Trump story before I let you go?
You were there for some serious shit.
The best one, I'll tell this quickly.
Sometimes I'll give you the detail, but you remember Billy Bush weekend when I sent the girls, the people that Bill Clinton had raped, out to...
To keep it quiet, I talked to Jared and we both signed off on it.
I did it. And we just kept it very tight.
And then we went up. You know, Reince, nobody else knew about it because it was so controversial what we're doing.
And we're in St. Louis.
They're in that top.
You remember in the presidential suite up there where you guys, everybody's going through questions for him, what's going to happen in the debate.
And we put him down in the room.
The press was right there.
We had the trap set.
We still hadn't told the president.
So he was the candidate.
So Jerry and I went over there and explained to him.
I said, look, we've got all the women that Bill Clinton raped, plus the woman who Hillary Clinton represented.
The rapists are her. They're all downstairs.
You'll go down, say a few words to him, spend some time.
Then we'll open up and let the media come in.
And he's leaning against the wall with his eyes closed.
And he's just quiet for a minute.
And I go, because we can call it off.
I said, do you approve it? Do you like it?
And he's just eyes are closed. He goes, I love it.
That's awesome. It went right downstairs and the rest is history.
Well, I really appreciate it, Steve.
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