Stephen Miller is Flipping the Script on the Left's Lawfare: Here's How We Win | TRIGGERED Ep.87
Stephen Miller is Flipping the Script on the Left's Lawfare: Here's How We Win | TRIGGERED Ep.87
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Now, joining me, America's first legal founder, Stephen Miller.
OK, guys, we have our friend, just great American patriot Stephen Miller back.
Stephen is someone the left absolutely despises, which I wear as a badge of honor.
So when they're trying to cancel you when they're done.
But now, Stephen, you're one of the few guys taking the law fair.
We're good to go.
You're one of the few guys that's actually taken that system and fought back against the Democrats.
Tell us a little bit about what you're doing, why it's so important, how others can get involved in it, because it really is a component.
You see, when I say the lawfare, that's the Attorney General trying to sue Trump to oblivion to prevent him from exercising anything.
Let's try to break these people.
You know, I'd love not to have that exist in America.
I'd love for those games to not be played.
But so long as the other side is playing those games, I think we need to be playing the same game.
I always say, you know, we play t-ball, they play hardball, and we wonder what happens why, you know, as we watch just our freedom, our country eroding from underneath us, we wonder why.
And it's because we're just
We're playing entirely different games.
We're like little babes in the woods while they massacre the Constitution.
Tell us a little bit about it and how people can check it out and learn more.
Thank you.
Well, you're exactly right.
Look, it's the law of nature.
In the real world, you know, classroom theory is fine and good.
And conservatives for a long time have been obsessed with just the classroom theory of it, right?
Which is that you should be extremely restrained in your approach to law.
You should avoid filing a lot of lawsuits.
You should try not to spend too much time in court.
You should be very gentle and you should be very averse to conflict at all times.
Now everybody played by these same rules.
Again, in theory, that would work just fine and we'd all be very happy.
But when you have one team, one side,
That is going to, as you said, try to sue you into oblivion.
That's going to try to persecute you, hound you, harass you endlessly, night and day, week after week, month after month, year after year.
If you don't return fire legally, in kind, you're just going to get pulverized.
You're going to get crushed.
And so we need every level of the conservative legal movement to fight fire with fire.
And so my piece of this is that I run America First Legal, which basically you can think of as a law firm, nonprofit,
We're good to go.
Violating the conscience rights of medical professionals.
We sue the Biden administration for race-based provision of government benefits.
We sue private actors for being involved in illegal censorship of free speech online, and on and on and on down the list.
So everything bad that's happening out there in the world, we're out there suing the people that are responsible for those policies, trying to shut them down, expose them,
Get discovery that can reveal all of these dark secrets and then hopefully obtain favorable rulings as we have in many cases at the end of the day to actually prohibit this unlawful conduct.
Yeah, I mean, it's so important.
Honestly, I get this a lot, and it's sort of surprising.
I'll go speak to a large group of conservatives somewhere around the country, and they're like, no, but Don, the Constitution says, and it's like, that's it.
The Constitution says X, Y, Z, so of course it's fine.
Just leave it alone.
There's no reason to fight back.
You don't have to get that aggressive.
Turn the other cheek.
And I understand sort of the biblical roots of that, but it's like, no, man.
They love that we've done that for 50 years.
They've taken over every major institution because of that laissez-faire attitude.
They could care less what the Constitution says.
So much of what I try to do is just wake people up to the notion that just because it says it doesn't mean they won't try to
Get rid of that.
Just because it says it doesn't mean anything.
They don't care what it says.
They could not care less.
And that couldn't be more evident based on the immigration policies we see on a daily basis, based on the mandates, based on the censorship that we see from government trying to, you know, work with big tech to suppress one side of a conversation but not the other.
How do you get people to understand that?
Because, again, I've been watching it now.
Listen, you've been on the front lines of this since you got in the Trump administration.
I mean, we've been doing this since 15 together.
But if people still don't quite get it, what would be some of the examples that you could use to drive home?
Because it is shocking to me that I still see people that are like, no, Don, but the Constitution says, oh, that's great.
I agree with you.
But you're right.
If we were playing the same game, we're not playing the same game.
Right.
In fact, they use that against us.
That is actually, the left understands our greatest weakness to be our refusal to get into these kinds of tit-for-tat legal, political, and other fights.
In other words, they think that our
obsession with being the go along and get along conservative unwilling to fill in the blank impeach or subpoena or arrest or sue or do anything else like that will be our downfall.
That's what they're betting on.
They're betting on the fact that they will appoint attorneys general
That's what they're betting on.
That's what their assumption is.
And so, I mean, just to think of a really recent example, so the Secretary of Homeland Security
Alejandro Mayorkas is guilty of, by any definition, human trafficking, human smuggling, child endangerment, violation of dozens of different federal laws and statutes.
And so Marjorie Taylor Greene forced a vote on impeachment, and eight Republicans voted no, which was enough to kill the impeachment.
And they all had different reasons and explanations, but most of them were basically some version of,
Well, in my opinion, the Founding Fathers really didn't think that impeachment should apply in this case or that case or anything else.
Again, these sort of ridiculous classroom theory philosophizing rather than living in the real world and saying, this man is destroying the country.
The only remedy available to you is impeachment.
DOJ is not going to arrest him, right?
Joe Biden's here at least through 2024.
The only remedy is impeachment, and you're sitting there trying to rationalize, well, I think if I interpret Federalist Paper 67 this way, I think that it really doesn't apply to this exact circumstance because he is the leader of the invasion into this country, and you're not even willing to send articles of impeachment
Over to the Senate to have a trial.
That is the conservative mindset that has brought us to the shameful point that we're in right now where we've lost corporations, we've lost the law schools, we've lost the legal credentialing bodies like the Bar Association, we've lost almost every single important institution in this country because of our laissez-faire attitude against a political opponent that is absolutely ruthless.
No, that's a great example, because I saw that.
Even, like, Daryl Issa was one of the people who voted against the impeachment.
But there's a tweet from him, like, a couple weeks ago that was like, I look forward to hearing him at the impeachment hearing, but then he votes against it.
We do this every time.
And it's not just members of Congress.
Like, do you think for a second that if this was reversed,
Right?
If you had you as our borders are, shutting down immigration, not allowing this insanity, do you think that when the Democrats controlled the House by a slim margin, you think one person would turn?
You think one person would say, well, there's maybe an example where this wasn't exactly intended?
It sort of happened, I mean, the same thing at the Supreme Court, really, right?
When big decisions go up to the Supreme Court, if they were going to inure towards the conservatives, the conservative justices, almost without fail,
We'll figure out a way to be like, no, it's actually, maybe the law applies this way, Dems get a win.
If it's the other way, each and every time, boom, this is our interpretation of the law of the Constitution, gone.
We're playing two different games, and we have been for so long.
That was the best example in recent time because it's like,
There is not a single justification for what's going on at our border.
We want to spend $150 billion over to Ukraine.
We're sending $14.6 billion to Israel.
We're doing this.
We couldn't finish the border wall for a couple billion bucks, like $3 billion.
We couldn't finish it.
Republicans were the ones that slow rolled that to begin with because Paul Ryan and the likes wanted to be invited to the cool person Christmas party.
I mean, you remember all of that.
That wasn't actually the Democrats.
That was the Republicans because we had the ability to get it done.
But they refused because they would rather be accepted into polite Democrat society in Washington, D.C.
than actually do what their constituency wants.
And, you know, we candidly we fought wars, big ones, in this country about
Having our representatives actually represent us, and it doesn't feel like the Republicans in many cases are doing that anymore.
Well, I think that you just have different incentive structures at the end of the day, and you have different reasons for going into politics.
So, a lot of our conservative
Policymakers and legislatures and so forth.
They are very focused on just being able to live what they see as a good life, right?
Get invited to the right events, be able to be on the right boards, be able to have a good job lined up when you retire.
They're not interested in what the left would call fundamental transformation.
Where is
A fundamental restoration to counter their fundamental transformation.
And so, you know, guy like Paul Ryan.
He not only isn't even interested in doing that, there's also a second problem, which is that there's a strong strain of thinking inside of the conservative movement, and fortunately Donald Trump has largely vanquished this, but it's still there, that actually naively believes if we just open our arms
Yeah.
Hamas is going to do a great job.
Let's welcome all of it.
It's crazy.
There's that strain of thinking that is at best dangerously naive.
So bottom line, conservatives have to get tough and they have to get smart real fast.
Because if we continue to lie prone and submit and be soft and be weak, again to the point where we can't even impeach Alejandro Mayorkas,
Right, so let's talk immigration a little bit.
Obviously, this is the one that put you on the radar.
Over the left, you're a big architect of sort of the Trump administration policies on that.
Obviously a lot going on at the border.
We'll get to that in a second.
But, you know, I'm watching what's going on right now in the, you know, Israeli conflict.
And I'm watching Israeli scholars write opinion pieces in the Wall Street Journal saying,
No, no, no, the U.S.
should just open its arms and just take the Palestinian refugees.
I mean, it's almost like, wait a minute, so the problem that you don't want to deal with and would love to get rid of, the problem that literally all of their Arab neighbors who, you know, in the case of Jordan, it's like, you know, vast majority Palestinian background population, zero people want to be accepted.
Those countries want to take exactly zero of the refugees from there.
Now, Israeli scholars are writing opinion pieces and articles in the Wall Street Journal being like, no, America should just take them.
I think it'll be wonderful.
This diversity is our strength.
What the hell is going on here that we're doing this with a straight face?
You know, you see the article, you're like, why on earth would we do that?
And then you're like, oh, oh, they're scholars from Israel who would love to just farm off their problems to the United States.
What's going on there?
And what do you think happens in that situation while we're talking sort of all things immigration?
Well, first of all, a lot of people owe Donald Trump a big apology who criticized the travel ban.
I remember, probably as you do, I remember that he wasn't just being criticized from the left.
He's criticized from members of the so-called conservative movement, too, at the time.
The travel ban in light of what's happening in the world, probably to almost everyone now, would be one of Donald Trump's absolute best and most important policies, keeping radical jihadists out of the country for four years.
Because now what we're seeing under the Biden administration on our college campuses are all of these jihadists who've been let into our universities in the last few years to study, who are pro-Hamas.
And continuing on their current path, they're not going to go home either, right?
They're going to get offered a job in the United States, and they're going to become citizens, and they're going to raise pro-Hamas children.
And we're going to have the same problem here that they have in London, and they have in Paris, and everywhere else.
We are importing anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism into this country from parts of the world that have viewpoints that are radically antithetical to our own.
So to your point specifically about Palestinian or Gazan refugees, their own neighbors don't want them because they fear the instability they would bring to their societies.
In other words, Egypt and Jordan travels a lot more cultural commonality with Gaza
But America, I've got a great idea for you!
Or Alabama.
Or Arkansas.
I mean, you would have to be out of your mother-loving mind to even contemplate such a thing.
Their own neighbors, who know them better than anyone, are like, please, please, please do not send them to Egypt or Jordan.
And then we have people in the country who are saying, send them to us.
Yeah, Egypt said something like they're willing to risk, like, millions of lives.
Meaning they're gonna go to war.
They'd go to war risking millions of lives.
Something to that.
I saw the quote, I was like, wait, wait.
You'd be willing to lose millions of lives to prevent yourselves from taking over people who...
Same religion, but similar, at least, culture.
They live a hundred miles away.
Religious history and cultural history.
But you know what they know, because that's where they're from, they know that there's been so much multi-generational indoctrination in the Palestinian territories, the West Bank and in Gaza,
That it's not just that they're just taking them and moving them to a new location.
It's not going to magically make that indoctrination disappear, right?
We've all seen the videos of children, you know, in kindergarten and preschool being taught all these hateful ideologies.
That doesn't just magically go away if you move them somewhere else.
It is generations of work.
No.
No.
Yeah, no, there's not, like, no one has even attempted, like, there's not even a pretense of, like, let's call it assimilation, right?
They come here, and they're a hardcore, in many cases, you know, Sharia law supporting model, and they remain that way.
They don't welcome, they'll take, you know, they'll take the freebies from our country, but, like, they don't accept any of the other aspects of our culture.
You see that in Europe.
It's like, they're letting, you know, the rapes, you know, in Europe are going through the roof,
The only change was a major influence.
And they're like, well, no, it's a cultural, you know, it's a cultural difference.
So we're going to forgive someone literally raping our, you know, women and children.
You know, it's a cultural thing, Steven.
Like, we just got to accept that cultures are different.
Like, I'm like, guess what, folks?
Not all cultures are created equal, okay?
Just like there are shithole countries, there are shithole cultures, okay?
That's not racist.
That's fact.
Okay, and if rape is a part of a culture, doesn't mean we should just blindly import it.
They've shown zero interest in assimilation or espousing our values, and no one's saying you got to change your culture.
You know, I'm Eastern European, my mom's Czech, I speak the language.
You know, it's fine, but I'm still an American.
They are not.
They are still, you know, Palestinian, whatever it may be, and that's it.
They have no interest.
And they've shown that time and time again.
And I watched this.
The New York Times, I had to pull it up.
I posted it on my social the other day, you know.
The New York Times, sweeping raids, giant camps, and mass deportations inside Trump's 2025 immigration plans.
I'm like,
Like, wait a minute, like, is this a trick question?
Are you saying it like that's a bad thing?
Because we see what's going on.
We see what's, you know, at Penn, my alma mater, what are the, I mean, I don't know if it is anymore, because, like, the insanity that we see on the campus of that and other Ivy League colleges, Harvard, and, you know, Cornell, then the west coast of Stanford, like,
You're saying, what is going on?
There's literally, like, jihadists on campus at the finest institutions in the world.
The anti-Semitism, the racism that we see there, we see all over Europe.
I mean, London, where they'll throw you in jail for misgendering someone for two years.
I mean, for misgendering, you know, a dude or a woman with a penis and a beard.
You get it wrong, you're going to jail for two years.
But, you know, you could say, hey, death to all the Jews, kill them all, behead them, it's good.
What is going on?
How is it even possible that this is happening in polite society today?
It is very bizarre that the things that I mean, just think about the American University example, the things that could get you suspended, disciplined, or even expelled.
Basically, if you said anything that Tucker Carlson said, or has said in the last few years, that we would all consider to be mainstream, true common sense on a college campus, right?
You could face all kinds of disciplinary action.
But you could be a rabid Hamas supporter and you will be completely shielded from disciplinary action.
You will face no consequences or repercussions whatsoever.
And it's because, in the case of our university system, that they are fundamentally committed to the deconstruction of Western civilization.
It's important to think of our universities today
No longer as universities, but as training centers for dismantling Western institutions.
So all of these things, these terms that we've become familiar with now that we didn't know a few years ago, right?
Critical race theory, queer theory, and gender theory, and now decolonization is the word we're all hearing.
All of these various academic
We're good to go.
To jailing and punishing people who think like us, and letting the drug dealers, the cartel members, and all of the other threats in society go completely free.
Yeah, no, and you saw that.
You saw what happened at the DNC last week.
You know, they take it over, they're rioting, they're in there.
You know, none of those people are going to jail, put in solitary confinement, denied due process for, you know, jailed for 17 to 25 years.
Not one of those people is going to be in solitary for two years, I can promise.
Not one of those people is going to go to jail.
Like, and that's the difference.
I mean, that's why it is so frustrating when I talk about the guy.
No, no, no, but the Constitution says, Don, it's like,
We gotta wake the hell up with what's going on.
But let's talk a little bit more details of the border, right?
You know, Biden keeps, you know, the Biden administration, they're setting new records there every day, right?
These are not records that we should be proud of.
I guess 170 terrorists were caught at the border.
A record 2.5 million illegals crossed.
You know, imagine how many more actually got through.
I mean, I'm thinking of the terrorists that are sophisticated, especially now funded by Iran and all, you know, all likelihood, et cetera.
We free up money for them.
How bad's Biden's open borders and the policies that are driving it as it relates to all of this?
Because I don't think we can understand the volume.
It's literally becoming, you know, percentages, full percentage points of our population streaming across.
In many cases, totally incapable of taking care of themselves.
In many, you know, just designed, it seems, to destroy our infrastructure.
You know, we have a disastrous education system.
Hey, flood it with millions more children who can't speak English and congratulations, America, you can pay for that.
Our healthcare system, already a disaster.
Insurance premiums going through the roof.
People getting crushed.
You know what?
Hey, let's add a few more million people who are going to contribute nothing to that system.
Congratulations, America.
What's going on?
Yeah, so it's worse than anybody could ever possibly imagine.
And I think that your point about the numbers is really significant, because I don't think that we can wrap our heads easily around the scale that we're talking about here.
So take, for example, the state of Montana, a state that I think is near and dear to all of our hearts, we love very much, has some of the most amazing people in the world.
That state has more or less about a million people.
And if you think about what Montana has contributed to the country, culturally, socially, economically, etc, right?
In a given year, Biden is bringing in three or four times as many people as live in all of Montana.
So they'll have three or four times more cultural power, social power, economic influence, commercial influence, political influence, right, as the entire state of Montana.
It took
Hundreds of years to make Montana what Montana is today, right?
All the settlers and farmers, the frontiersmen who carved out the land and the territory and tamed it to what it is today.
And all that work.
Now is outvoted and outmaneuvered by the millions and millions of people who are coming in who don't have, in many cases, the same values, the same priorities, just the same way of looking at the world.
And so the scale and the scope of transformation is really hard to fathom.
And you don't feel it or see it right away because we're a pretty geographically dispersed country, right?
It's a large territory, unlike, say, United Kingdom.
I mean, comparatively speaking.
Yeah.
And so I'm from Los Angeles originally, as an example.
I would obviously never go back there.
So if you live in your little cloistered part of LA, right, so if you're in like a little cloistered part of LA, like say a nice community like by the beach, right, or a little enclave of Malibu, or a nice little strip of Beverly Hills, right, you can sort of like, you know, shut your eyes and ears, right, and not notice that there are millions of people, millions living in abject poverty.
There are millions of people who are not fluent or proficient in English.
There are millions of people who rely solely on the government for substance.
There are millions of children in public schools who cannot read or write or do arithmetic.
The effects of open borders over years has completely destroyed the quality of living, the social safety net, the education system, everything.
But if you live in a certain area, you can just pretend it's not there.
But it is there.
And we'll rapidly reach a tipping point because of Joe Biden, where our country will become economically unstable.
We will have far more people on welfare than we can afford to pay for.
Our tax base will not be able to support our economic needs.
Our cities will become ungovernable.
Our education system will collapse.
We are nearing that tipping point far more quickly than people realize.
Yeah, and it's sort of like the Chinese, right?
They're playing a long game, right?
They're, hey, we'll let you in.
It doesn't matter.
And it's really, to me, seemed designed around the next census.
What's that?
In eight years or so.
You know, it doesn't matter.
You can be illegal.
If you're there, you get representation.
They slap members of Congress.
It's their way of redistricting the entire country, right?
There's this many more people.
They need representation.
It assures that the Democrats ultimately take over the House in perpetuity, and that's when they just crush every other aspect of our lives.
I mean, I guess that's the only really logical way that they're playing this game, which is, fine, we're going to do this.
It's going to destroy these cities.
It doesn't really matter.
In eight years, they'll have a new census, and then, congratulations, we're redistricting the country, and the Democrats will control two-thirds of Congress in perpetuity.
Exactly right.
A lot of people don't realize, by the way, that illegal aliens are used for apportionment to put more members of Congress in certain locations.
Many people don't realize that.
Secondly... Yeah, you're counted whether you're... it's not for citizens, which is mind-boggling to me, but it's everyone, and I guess that, you know, that's something else.
Maybe you got to start fighting at America first, but legal, because...
Yeah, that's obviously unconstitutional, but that's how it was done, and that has to change.
But on top of that, you also have this phenomenon known as birthright citizenship, which creates voters and citizens within each illegal immigrant household.
And so, just hypothetically, you know, take a typical illegal immigrant family.
They have, say, four children who are all automatically confirmed citizenship.
You can then use your child's citizenship status
As access to every single federal welfare and government program, because you're applying on behalf of the US citizen.
So food stamps, public housing, federal health care, and so on and so forth down the list.
And then obviously, when they turn 18, then they become voters, and they also have chain migration and everything else.
So the effects multiply and expand with time.
And if we don't, to your point about the New York Times article,
If we don't move quickly to expel all the people that Biden let in, it won't just be 10 million people, which is bad enough, whatever the number is.
It will be 10 million people plus 20 million children plus their 20 million relatives.
In other words, that is a base.
It is a foundation which will expand exponentially and compound the effects, again, beyond what we can even imagine.
Okay, so I wasn't going to out you, but yeah, you grew up in Santa Monica, okay?
The People's Republic of California, okay?
But hard to believe, I mean, as a Jewish American who's been called a Nazi and everything like that, it's sort of amazing, but the last couple of weeks has truly been like...
And honestly, maybe it's the rude awakening we need to see just how insane our Democrat policymakers are, the people who back them, the people who they back over the American people.
But you grew up in Santa Monica, and we saw part of the I-10 freeway in Los Angeles be totally destroyed due to a fire that officials are saying is arson.
Possibly linked to the homeless encampments underneath the highway.
I mean, I don't know if this is one of the highways that's racist because it was too tall or too short to house.
I don't know.
That was the Pete Buttigieg insanity.
But talk about growing up on the west side of Los Angeles and how it's changed.
Listen, this is a bastion of liberal insanity, but do the people there finally wake up?
What's going to happen to the infrastructure?
You lose one of those big freeways, it's already a disaster getting around L.A.
Do you think this impacts other people's political views?
The start and the fall of California from when you were born to today.
I mean, California was the home of Reagan.
Did that change your political views?
But more importantly, does anyone ever actually wake up to all of this?
It certainly shaped them.
Growing up in the Southland of California,
And seeing with my own eyes how these radical left policies, as well as open borders, was ruining what was this paradise.
I mean, it's hard to even explain how good the weather is in Los Angeles if you haven't been there.
Yeah.
Basically, 12 months a year, it's neither too hot nor too cold.
Yeah.
Which is amazing!
You know, it's like, December, weather's good.
The middle of July, weather's good.
And they have this massive, beautiful coastline, right?
So beautiful climate, not humid, everything's perfect.
And they've turned it into a hellhole.
You know how hard you have to work to destroy a place that nice?
I mean, it is a spectacular achievement in the worst way possible to ruin California, and that's what they did.
So it absolutely shaped a lot of my thinking.
As to whether or not it will be able to turn around, I fear that California is in a death spiral, and so they're going to have to bottom out long and hard.
I don't think there's going to be an awakening in time.
So my honest advice to people in California
Um, who understand how bad it is, and aren't living in a delusion, is if you have the means and ability to leave, just leave.
Just give up on California and leave.
But if you have that shit, just don't bring the shit with you!
Let's make sure we don't California the rest of America.
If we California the rest of America, we're screwed.
But that's happening.
That's the problem.
You see that in Texas.
You go to Austin, and in the last decade,
You know, it is literally like the People's Republic of California East.
It is perhaps more liberal than San Francisco.
So, you know, people escape, but they bring like even like 10 percent of the crap with them.
It's like, no, no, but we should be able to do this.
This is fine.
And slowly but surely, they destroy everything they touch.
It's like a parasitic relationship.
You know, no, no, we're escaping that.
But we're only bringing a little bit with us.
And then it snowballs.
Right.
No, it is.
Right.
It is.
It is the ultimate.
Ultimate irony, it also just shows how human beings are sometimes incapable of seeing their own failures.
You will have people, and we all know people like this to some extent or another, who live their whole lives in Manhattan or their whole lives in LA, and they complain about everything.
They complained about the crime, the cost of living, the public transit, the public schools.
You know, they'll spend a fortune just to keep their kids out of the public schools while complaining about the taxes that they're spending to pay for the public schools.
And then they'll move somewhere else, right?
And they'll vote for the same taxes, the same public school policies, the same public safety policies, the same, same, same, same, same.
As though the reason why California was failing was some property in the soil, or the reason why New York City was failing was some property in the water.
No, it's you.
You are the failure.
You are the reason.
Every time you showed up, it's some stupid fundraiser and wrote a max-out check for some stupid left-wing politician.
You are literally the problem.
And so yeah, we don't want you to move.
We don't want you to move out at all.
You stay right there.
It'll be great.
Enjoy the weather.
It's really, it's lovely.
It's lovely.
Just please, please don't go.
The people who are watching this interview and who are agreeing with us, by all means, please move to Austin, Texas and try to bring some sanity there.
Because you're right.
If Austin becomes San Francisco,
And the numbers keep growing.
That changes how the Senate races go.
It changes how the state legislature races go.
And you know, look, in 10 years between that and the open borders,
Who knows what politically is going to be happening in Texas?
They're so bored that their entire existence, you know, they don't really want for anything and it's, you know, how do we get perceived as cool while in the line at Starbucks?
And they're pushing the insanity because they basically have nothing to worry about.
They're going to be behind their fences.
They're going to be in the gated communities.
But because of the social construct and the social structures of the left,
It's like, you get bonus points by being extra woke and you can do this thing.
So they're voting for policies that would destroy their own neighborhoods, but they don't really care because they're probably rich enough to avoid it.
It's everyone else, you know.
And I see that problem sort of manifesting itself.
Like, they don't know anything what's going on in politics because they don't want for anything.
Uh, you know, they're sitting at home in their Lululemon and going to yoga and going to Starbucks and going to some juice bar and, like, drinking wine at lunch every day.
And it's like, well, how do we get cool?
It's like, well, we'll talk about these things and we'll support idiots like Beto O'Rourke.
It makes no sense, but it's happening daily.
Yes, the demographic you're talking about, the insufferable rich white liberal, is wreaking absolute havoc on this country.
Because they're not just voting for all of these policies and politicians, but they're opening their checkbooks, and it all adds up.
And so it's what some have called, as you know, the woke mind virus, right?
This religion, this cult, this virtue signaling, where they're competing with each other to be the most anti-racist, right?
To be the most, you know, willing to have a trans child or to create a trans child.
No, it's not just a medical, it's actually an accessory.
Like the trans child, like why is it that like every Hollywood celebrity has a trans child, magically?
Like that would, you would think that would defy the laws of statistics, right?
If there are X number of kids that are gay, X number, like,
There's a gross over-performance in those societies because it's actually cool.
You're not cool if you don't have a trans child.
And have you noticed how people, some celebrities, adopt kids from far away countries and then multiples of them turn out to be trans?
And yet no people in those countries are actually trans because they actually have real problems to worry about.
Adopted from a population of zero percent trans, all of a sudden they're magically, at four years old, they decided they're going to be?
It's amazing.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's a real significant driver of the problem because that group of people, if you're lucky enough to work in corporate America,
That group of people are probably your HR managers.
They're probably your mid-level boss.
They're probably the legal department.
And so they're the gatekeepers to professional life in America.
They're the ones forcing these workshops down people's throats.
And so if we don't, as a movement, fight back against that,
We're going to keep on losing.
That's why it's so important to our beginning conversation.
And this is what my organization is doing.
You have to sue the corporations that are pushing these policies.
Yeah.
You know, for example, we sued Target in the aftermath of their disastrous Pride Month rollout that sank their shareholder value.
You have to go on offense.
We need Congress
To defund critical race theory and gender theory and all of these things.
It's not enough just to say, I don't support it.
You actually have to go after it and try and shut it down because it will destroy this country.
No, 100%.
And there's so much of that going on.
I mean, I saw the stats, like the S&P 500 companies was like, of the 600,000 jobs, or three, whatever, this was two, three weeks ago, so I don't remember the stats exactly, but of the hundreds of thousands of jobs created by the S&P 500 in their, you know, like 13% went to white people.
I'm like, wait, 13% in a country that's 70%?
I'm like, wait a second.
Like, there wasn't just a magical underperformance, you know, by white people.
And I saw that story you were mentioning.
Don, you must be racist because you can't imagine that someone over-performed from a minority group.
I go, no, of course.
Listen, I see it all the time.
There's incredible people.
But you're telling me that of hundreds of thousands of jobs, magically, all white people grossly under-performed and all minorities grossly over-performed in public corporations?
It's not statistically possible.
It's certainly not plausible, but it doesn't even matter.
They ran this thing like it was the greatest thing in the world.
I'm like, but what if you're a shareholder?
If you're a shareholder, and this is when we talk about some of our sponsors, it sort of lines up with it.
If you're a shareholder in that woke company, you have someone that almost certainly is going to be underperforming doing a job.
You're not delivering the value.
You're not exercising your fiduciary responsibility as a corporate officer if these are your hiring practices.
And yet, they're not even hiding from it.
They're not just doing it under the thing, hoping they don't get caught.
They don't give a shit if they get caught.
They're actually putting it out.
They're like, it's a great idea.
Yeah, for a long time.
Most importantly, it's illegal.
These companies, in many cases, have explicit hiring, training, recruiting, etc.
programs.
That are exclusionary, that say this race is allowed, this race isn't allowed.
And obviously, most of the time, the excluded group are going to be white, sometimes white and Asian, and oftentimes men as well, are disadvantaged.
And so, for example, we just filed a civil rights complaint, this is one that really, I think, upsets people, against multiple airline companies,
For hiring and recruiting based on race, including pilots.
If you can think of a crazier idea than hiring pilots on race rather than objective job capability, I can't think of one.
And, you know, we've all seen the reports about a lot of near misses in aviation recently.
These policies are ultimately going to get people killed.
You know, we thought a lot of people didn't take it seriously when the discrimination was just happening in, you know, what you think of as like the soft fields, right?
Like, you know, marketing or something.
Although illegal is illegal, wrong is wrong.
Now they are using these policies in the life or death professions
Like, flying an airplane.
Yeah.
I mean, this is truly mad.
Yeah, no, I saw that.
It was the pilots as well as air traffic control.
So, like, what could go wrong?
All I know, Steven, is that, you know, if I'm gonna die in a fiery ball flying, you know, falling out of the sky at 36,000 feet, I want to know that I contributed to woke hiring practices.
Because that's what I want.
Did you?
Yeah, they should ask you to sign a waiver.
You know, they say, are you willing to perform the duties in the exit row?
They should ask you, are you willing to sacrifice your life on this plane today to help our company hit its equity quota?
Yeah, but again, they're running around out there, like, they're advertising it, like, you should be thrilled to get on this plane because we've got a trans pilot.
Do they know how to fly a plane?
I don't know.
I mean, who knows?
You know, like, it's minor details.
You know, I'm a licensed pilot.
I went through the training.
Like, it's lunacy.
Like, by the way, I don't care if all of the pilots are minorities.
If, you know, if you're green and you're the best pilot in the world,
I fly like 350,000 miles a year, practically more than any human being in the world.
Like, you know, most of it commercial coach.
Like, I want that pilot to be able to land the damn plane.
Not that they're there because they checked off a couple boxes and they're doing it, but they're actively recruiting it.
But what's even crazier is that our country, our mindset, is so warped now that there are people actually cheering the fact that you're getting on a plane that may have someone less qualified so that we can
Here's the thing, is that if you actually gave Americans a choice,
No matter what the skin color of the American citizen was, we all know what they would choose.
In other words, if you said, okay, you can pick from two airlines, same price, same seat, same everything, flying to the same destination, same airport, no difference at all.
But there's one thing.
Airline A chose the pilot who had the highest score on their flying exam and the most hours logged.
Airline B chose the pilot that helped them achieve a specific diversity hiring goal.
Everyone's choosing A, no matter what the skin color.
Honestly, at this point, Stephen, I disagree with you.
At this point, there are liberals that would choose B just because.
There's one demographic that would choose B, which is the insufferable white liberal.
You're right.
By the way, the minorities that may be the beneficiary of some of these policies, even they're choosing A, okay?
But the suburban white housewife, that's the one that may choose B. It's only the one with the yard sign that says, in this house, you know, we're trans and critical race theory and hate has no home here.
The yard sign people are the only ones that are choosing B.
Yeah, actually, I had a buddy call me the other day.
He literally was like, I just got on a plane, and he's panicking.
He's like, the pilot made an announcement.
I forget the airline, I don't need to call it out, but it was like, this is Captain So-and-so, and I am ex-airlines, major airline carrier, like, not even one of the, you know, budget, like, and I'm the first trans pilot to be, and I'm just, he was just like,
Literally text me like, holy shit, I'm gonna die.
But it wasn't even like, who cares?
If that's the best pilot, I'm happy to have every pilot in America be trans, if for some reason that makes them great.
Now, if they're on all sorts of meds to help stabilize their hormonal levels and make sure they're not crazy, when I see some of the violence coming out of the trans community, I'm like, I don't know, do I want my pilot jacked up on all sorts of hormonal medications to make sure that they're fine?
Probably not.
Probably not.
But they're highlighting it.
They're not indifferent to it because it's the best person.
They're highlighting it to the people.
This buddy of mine is obviously fairly conservative, but people are like, am I clapping or am I praying to God that we don't fall out of the sky right now?
Yep.
No, I'm in complete agreement on all of that.
I mean, it's truly a
Just an incomprehensible situation that we've ended up in as a country.
So you tweeted the other day, this was sort of an interesting one, a poll after poll shows that Trump is not just beating but crushing Biden.
This is why Biden and the Democrats are desperate to throw Trump in prison and this is why the moral duty of Republicans who believe in democracy and oppose our descent into tyranny is to support Trump.
I think you're exactly right.
I mean, there's a reason they're trying to crush everything that they said of Trump.
You know, they are functioning like the Nazis.
They are functioning like dictators.
They're trying to jail their political opponents.
They're trying to silence the speech of others.
Are the other Republicans running in this primary just sort of banking on that the Democrat lawfare succeeds?
Are they just actually hoping that while they may oppose it in theory, right?
I remember Ron DeSantis did this.
He was like, no, the lawfare, it is what it is.
And then they indicted Trump like the next day.
Like, are they sort of, they almost feel complicit with the Democrats.
Like, hey, the lawfare is okay as long as it moves me forward politically.
And then other than that, I'm really against it.
What's going on?
No, I think that's clearly what's happening.
I think that there's a lot of people who are in the stop Trump, never Trump, the anti-Trump category, candidates, politicians, donors, etc., who are just wishing and hoping and waiting that the law fair somehow changes the dynamic in the primary.
Because clearly, if the objective is just as it should be,
To defeat the radical left, to stop Joe Biden, etc.
Then obviously, even if you're not a hardcore pro-Trump conservative, but you just care about taking your country back, you would say that now's the time to consolidate, put your resources behind the runaway frontrunner.
I mean, it's not even close, nothing like it before in history in terms of the gap
Stop wasting money on an internecine primary battle, and focus all of your energies on getting your ballot operations in order, getting your harvesting operations in order, and focusing on the general election.
Instead, we're going to waste tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars, basically attacking Trump from two directions.
You have DOJ attacking him, and then you have other Republicans attacking him.
Yeah, I'm watching the Biden administration take all the DeSantis stuff and like, and utilize it.
I'm like, that seems great for conservatism.
It's a, it's pretty actually sad.
And you understand, they just have a lot of money in their super packs.
The consultants are stealing the vast majority of that money, right?
You know, if we buy an ad, it's going to run through our ad company and we're going to go through our purchasing company and we get to take, you know, 60% of that money.
We got 50 million left, so we can probably pocket another 30 million and change into the hands of like two or three people.
And that's what people don't understand.
They think these are like genuine attacks, and it's just a big grift from the people in the swamp.
You know, something else we got to just try to expose so people just understand, you know, they're being manipulated not because people actually believe in these things, but because they understand that this is how a lot of people in the swamp make a lot of money.
Yes, I mean, I think the people don't really understand the economic model here, which is that
The ad firms, the consultancy firms, the various campaign firms, the longer the primary goes on, the more money that they make.
And so it's very enriching for them.
Now, I'm not saying, of course, that there should never be primaries in any circumstance.
What I'm saying is, you have the overwhelming choice
Of conservative Americans, Republican Americans, GOP primary voters, all saying, we want Trump, we want Trump, we want Trump.
Every day, every week, every month that we are continuing this primary, instead of focusing on the general election, we are helping all of the forces that you and I talked about today who are trying to destroy this country.
It's just that simple.
Yeah.
So your America First legal group is fighting to get access to some of these, you know, Biden alias emails.
Names like, names like Robin Ware.
I think it was like, I can't, I mean, it almost feels like I can't be right.
Like 87,000 emails sent by, sent by Joe Biden under an alias name.
I mean, I don't know that I've ever sent 87,000 emails period, but under an alias.
You know, what's the status of those emails?
Why was Joe Biden using an alias or a pseudonym?
Does he have a good reason for that other than obviously hiding the corruption that's going on?
I mean, what could this possibly be?
And how is this not a big deal?
You know, I watched the new speaker of the House.
Well, we don't really have enough to go after Joe Biden.
I mean, why on earth would he be getting checks from his brother?
Why on earth are the grandkids getting checks from Chinese control entities?
There's literally not a plausible argument.
They were not business people.
They were not doing deals prior to him amassing power and these things.
But even our own side is like, well, we're not really sure yet.
No one else would get the benefit of the doubt in this, certainly not from the Democrats.
What's going on and how bad is the corruption?
Yeah, well, the corruption obviously is like nothing we've ever seen before.
And every day, thanks in large part to James Comer, a new revelation comes out about the kickbacks, about the shady financial dealings, the pay for play, the influence peddling, the tax evasion, and so on and so forth with the Biden crime family.
But now, as you mentioned, you also have this scandal where you have thousands of emails sent under aliases and pseudonyms when Joe Biden was vice president that clearly suggest an effort to conceal the discovery of these communications.
So my organization is fighting to get access to these emails.
As I know is James Comer.
We've also obtained many other emails from the office of the vice president showing just how extensively Joe Biden's vice presidential office and Hunter Biden's Rosamond Seneca interacted and co-mingled during Joe Biden's time as vice president.
So what are some of the other America First legal efforts that we should be aware of that people can, you know, tell us about those?
Because again, you're one of the few.
I mean, we have to be doing it.
We have to be playing the same game.
Hopefully this show sort of awakens people to that.
But like, you're one of the few guys doing that.
They've got hundreds.
Thank you.
What are some of the efforts that you guys are doing that people should be aware of?
And how do they find out more about America First Legal?
So please go to AFlegal.org.
That's AFlegal.org.
I think that what I would say is, in addition to what I discussed earlier, we also just won a big case relating to letting children opt out of radical left lesson plans in a
Far left school district.
Then we also just sued the Montgomery County Public Schools for denying parents access to public meetings after pushing trans materials in the classroom.
And then we're also expanding our push into suing
By the way, another place, sort of like my pilot,
I want the best doctor, whether they're green, blue, or purple.
I want the best doctor, not someone who got a doctor checkbox.
That seems like another big one, but minor details, right?
Yes, medical school is definitely an area where you want the best.
You do not want skin color to be the determining factor of whether or not you get a medical license.
So bottom line, we're suing all the bad guys, one lawsuit after another, hard-hitting litigation, winning big victories.
Thank you so much.
Always great to talk to you, John.
I hope you have a great Thanksgiving, by the way.
Yeah.
You too.
Happy Thanksgiving.
God bless.
And thank you so much.
Look forward to talking very soon.
See you soon, bud.
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