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We've Crossed the Rubicon: Devin Nunes on What it will Take to Defeat the Swamp in 2024 | TRIGGERED Ep.46

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	Good evening guys and welcome to another awesome episode of Triggered.
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	Tonight we're joined by Devin Nunes.
	Devin is a former congressman from California and a head of the Intelligence Committee.
	He was a leading warrior against the Russia collusion hoax, uncovered abuses of the justice
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	And now, with that, former California Congressman, CEO of Truth Social, Devin Nunes.
	Devin, what's happening, buddy?
	Hey Don, it's great to be with you.
	Really a pleasure to be with you, and congratulations on your Rumble show.
	I think you, you know, I was one of the first guys to go to Rumble, and you were probably the first person outside of a member of Congress to come on Rumble, and so it's an honor to be with you.
	Yeah, you know what?
	It's interesting.
	I always said I was the first guy after Dan Bongino, but you actually may have, you may have beaten me there.
	I may be third.
	Yeah, you know, it's an interesting story, actually.
	When I was in Congress, it was actually Dan Bongino who helped me to find Rumble, but it's an interesting turn of events.
	I had a little podcast, because as you were saying, you know, the fake news, I had to have a way to get around the fake news.
	So, I started up a little audio podcast, and I got a call from Bongino, and he said, hey, he says, you're doing really well on this little podcast, you should, you ever hear of something called YouTube?
	So I said, yeah, you know, I had a little account, hadn't used it much.
	So I started posting on YouTube at Dan Bongino's suggestion.
	And then after like a few episodes, I realized that I was being shadow banned by YouTube.
	And I called Don and I said, or I called Dan and I said, Dan, I said, this isn't working.
	He says, Oh yeah, you know, they do that sometime, but we really don't have an alternative.
	And that's when I went out and I told my team, let's look, let's just go find a video player anywhere.
	And so I actually am the one who found Rumble.
	And then of course, Dan Bongino, thank God, because then he came on, promoted it.
	And I think really helped it to make it the company that it is today, where it truly is the only free speech platform, because we know what YouTube does.
	And of course,
	It's so important to our company, True Social, because we're the communications architecture.
	We're allowing people to talk to one another.
	But thankfully, Rumble is providing that backbone, that infrastructure on both video and cloud and our advertising platform.
	So it's just great to see Rumble thrive and to have folks like you that are putting on a show a couple times a week.
	Well, yeah, I mean, way before Truth Social ever, you know, like I said, I got in there, involved through Dan and everything like that with Chris Pawlowski.
	And, you know, I stayed on the platform, you know, early.
	I was just doing a lot of the short form stuff that I had and, you know, got to a pretty solid following for, you know, what was then a fledgling, you know, sort of platform.
	And I didn't go to the others because
	It is a lot of work to actually build a platform, to build a following, only to wake up, you know, one day to be like, oh, you're off.
	And I've been on some of the other big podcasts out there that they're hosted on YouTube.
	They're like, you're not allowed to say this.
	I'm like, but that's accurate.
	It's been proven.
	I know it doesn't matter.
	And if you do, we're gonna get, you know, we're on our second strike, so we're gonna get thrown off.
	It's actually insane to me that people would still go, certainly if you're actually talking about, you know, politics, or, you know, science, or this, where you have that heavyweight
	You don't actually have to be right.
	You're just not even allowed to go against that grain, even if it's asinine, right?
	You know, we talked about all the things, you know, Wuhan lab leak theory, all the things that you would have been thrown off of YouTube in two seconds.
	I know they did a lot to you back in the day when you were talking about Russia, Russia, Russia, but you were the head of the Intelligence Committee.
	I don't see, and I didn't see, when the Democrats took Congress and Adam Schiff became head of the Intelligence Committee, he could lie to the American people for years.
	He's still perpetuating those same lies.
	They've been disproven.
	There's reports between Mueller and Durham discounting all of that.
	And yet nothing seems to happen to that kind of programming.
	There's never been a strike.
	There's never been a censorship.
	There's never been anything.
	And yet they were crushing you.
	You had the knowledge.
	You were in a position of power to know the truth.
	And yet none of that seems to actually matter.
	Yeah, the way that that all happened, and kind of the way that I ended up at True Social, is because we were successfully, even though the fake news was just continually talking about Russia, and even though I had come out in early 2017, and said, look, I don't see any evidence of Russia and Trump, or Russia and Republicans, I just don't see it.
	And, you know, I had long been a Russian hawk, had long been warning about Putin.
	And now, Don, you got to think about the timeline here that we're talking about.
	Yeah, you said it in 2017.
	Like, this is, you know, this is not like people who, all right, they figured out it was all a lie in 2021 after it didn't matter.
	I mean, you were on it, like, the second that this became all of a sudden magically, hey, Russia's interfering in our elections.
	Russia, Trump's working for Russia.
	I guess he,
	I guess he needed the money or whatever argument they were trying to make.
	You were on it like way before everyone.
	And it was even before that.
	I mean, it is ridiculous that we're talking about something that happened that started in 2017.
	But really, it started in 2014 and 15, when I was on the Intelligence Committee, became chairman, and the Obama-Biden administration was not doing anything about Putin.
	Nothing.
	So you can imagine in 2016,
	After the election, we get a briefing, our normal briefing that we get after every election, and it was a normal briefing, Don.
	It was just, hey, you know, this country did that, this country did that.
	Yeah, they're all playing games, but you know, nothing to see here.
	Then I go home for Thanksgiving in 2016, and then there's a leak.
	A leak from the Senate Intelligence Committee that they had just received a briefing from the FBI.
	Now, keep in mind, the same people that had just briefed me a week before have now briefed the Senate.
	It's magic!
	Look what we found!
	Over Thanksgiving, they managed to figure out and find some type of leaflet of Russian collusion of some kind.
	So I'm getting these calls.
	I'm like, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
	I haven't seen anything to do with Russia.
	And I had received a few calls during the campaign from some kooky reporters that said, you know, asked about the Russia stuff.
	And now it's easy to go back and look to see how the Clinton campaign planted it, what the FBI was doing.
	You have Mike Morrell, all of these guys that were participating in this hoax.
	But then in a record amount of time, basically in the month of December, during a transition, do you remember the term, the ICA, the Intelligence Community Assessment?
	Yeah.
	That was put together in possibly the quickest time of any intelligence product in history.
	And then fast forward, and keep in mind, you've got Christmas, you've got New Year's.
	I mean, you have the whole bureaucracy, Don.
	The bureaucracy doesn't work on holidays, let's not kid ourselves.
	Even the intelligence bureaucracy, these people are not exactly workers.
	They magically crank this stuff out, right?
	Right.
	And that's my point.
	They weren't working.
	They didn't do anything.
	They put together a total piece of garbage.
	We come back after the first of the year.
	Obama's still president.
	Your dad's getting ready to come in as president.
	We sit down in the gang of eight and we go into this meeting.
	So, you know, you got Pelosi there.
	And gosh, at the time it was I think it was Harry Reid, as I recall.
	And we come in and we get this crazy briefing.
	Um, about, well, Russia might have done this, they might have done that, might have done this.
	Oh, we think we have some stuff on Trump.
	Um, and then they get to this last part and it's like, prostitutes in Moscow.
	I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second.
	Wait, what?
	You guys have this?
	Oh, we're not saying we have this, but we, we have some sources.
	Okay.
	And of course, it's a freaking lie.
	And I'm sitting there going, wait a sec, guys, I've been on your ass about Russia for going on three years now.
	A month ago, there was no Russia of any kind.
	There was nothing.
	And now you're telling me you've got possible tapes of Donald Trump in Moscow with prostitutes?
	Like, wow, that's pretty freaking serious, right?
	And, um, of course, then it leaks out.
	We leave that meeting, the dossier leaks out, I don't know, within, it seemed like it, it seemed like it, like, leaked, like, right away, but it might have been, but it was definitely within, like, 48 hours.
	Yeah.
	And, of course, everybody goes crazy over this, what is known as the Steele dossier, and then... For those of you, that's also known as the pee tape, and anyone who actually knows my father, like,
	You know, my father's basically a germaphobe, you know what I mean?
	So when I read about, you know, the allegations of the pee tape, I'm like, I don't know, man.
	Like, he's reluctant to shake people's hands.
	I'm pretty sure he's not doing that with prostitutes.
	Like, when I say pretty sure, I mean like one billion percent sure.
	Yeah.
	And Don, it was it was ridiculous, because then you go through that dossier.
	And I had been looking at intelligence reports, you know, that time, 15 years.
	And I said, guys, this is not an intelligence report.
	So what do you have, Comey?
	What's here?
	What you know, what is this?
	This is because it was
	A lot of that stuff in that dossier would take, you know, a line agent at the FBI, or even, you know, kind of a local investigator at your local police department, would quickly be able to look at it and say, okay, this is not intelligence.
	It read like a poorly written spy novel, which really, what it actually, well, I think what it actually was, it was based on Hunter Biden.
	You really think about it.
	Wow.
	You know what?
	That's actually... Yeah.
	By the way, we've all seen the videos.
	I imagine there's a lot more out there.
	I imagine that there are things that even Hunter Biden was like, you know what?
	Maybe I shouldn't put this on video.
	I'm curious to see how far the degeneracy goes there.
	But by the way, that's so in line with everything the Democrats do.
	I mean, that's the...
	Yeah, and keep in mind,
	Through our investigation in 2017 into Russia, we were able to find what were called the proto-dossiers.
	These were pre-dossiers.
	These are ones that actually I don't think ever really made it out to the public.
	You might be able to find them on the internet somewhere, but they were about your father.
	Um, and they were about, they were all about ties to Russian oligarchs and business guys and blah, blah, blah.
	And of course it looked ridiculous and it was ridiculous.
	There's no truth to it, but those were written in early 2016.
	And at some point, and you may remember when you're, when your father, during the, you were on the campaign then, remember when your father put out, Oh, I have a, I'm announcing like some foreign policy advisors.
	And it was, you know,
	You feel bad for these guys now, but like Waleed Farris, who was just a gentleman and a good guy.
	General Mike Flynn.
	Of course, Carter Page was on there, and George Papadopoulos.
	And right after that, a month or two after that, is when all of a sudden the Steele dossiers start to come out.
	And look, this was created by the Clinton team, right?
	So where did they get this stuff?
	Because you may remember,
	I don't know.
	You know, we're just going to cross out this name and we'll put a Trump personality in there.
	Just mix and match, mix and match down the line.
	And all of a sudden, we've transformed the dossier 100% from Joe Biden.
	Honestly, I'm actually shocked I haven't put that together, but you're right.
	I mean, this was during the time of the Hunter Biden no-show jobs.
	Like, you know, what was, like, seriously, like, what was Hunter doing to earn, like, almost $100,000 a month in Ukraine at an energy company?
	No energy history, no business history, doesn't speak the language, doesn't have to show up.
	I don't know.
	I play at a pretty high level, but no one gives you six figures to do nothing, certainly not monthly.
	Unless, of course, it's this.
	And so they probably actually had real dirt on Joe Biden, meaning the Clinton camp.
	And it's just like, we're just going to repurpose that to hurt Trump after the fact.
	Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
	And then they go out and then, you know, the difference is here that they went wild, right?
	And they were able to, they've corrupted the Department of Justice and the FBI by this point, and they're able to go out and they're able to set up Papadopoulos.
	We know that now, we don't have all the details, but Durham at least got to the bottom of that.
	They set up Carter Page, they lure him over to London.
	And through all of that, with the most powerful tools of our government,
	With framing people, setting them up, you fast forward into 2017, and I come out and say, hey, I haven't seen anything to do with Trump and Russia.
	I mean, I haven't seen one piece of intelligence, nothing.
	But the only thing I have seen that's illegal, completely illegal, is the leak of General Flynn talking to a Russian ambassador.
	And you know, of course, they would say just people tried to make that seem like it's collusion, but like Flynn was going to be in that position.
	Like that's the relationship he needed to have.
	And when we, you know, I didn't know Carter page as well.
	I don't the other characters in this, but I always say sort of the biggest regret I had of that whole.
	Lie Cycle was actually not being more vocal in support of Flynn because even me at the time, again, we're not going now where I have exactly zero faith in FBI leadership, in CIA leadership, in DOJ leadership.
	They are scumbags that are just totally politicized.
	There's nothing there.
	But at that time, I was still like a naive guy.
	There must be something to it.
	It's the CIA.
	They're doing what's right for America.
	So, you know, I was like, I'd spent a lot of time with Flynn.
	I was like, this is a good American.
	This is like a guy that we want out there fighting for us.
	But I was like, I don't know if these guys are saying, like, there must be something.
	Maybe he got duped.
	Maybe he did this.
	Even me, even having the relationship, even being like, man, it just does not line up with anything I've seen.
	I was like, I gave the benefit of the doubt to those guys.
	I didn't go against him.
	I didn't say anything because I was like, it doesn't seem right.
	But I also wasn't out there being like, this is bullshit because
	We just didn't know.
	We lived in a world, we lived in a time where we still wanted to believe everything we've been told about America as patriots.
	And that's all one big lie, which is what makes it so much more disappointing.
	Well, you can imagine my, my thoughts.
	So I'm watching this.
	I've seen, I've seen no information on Trump and Russia.
	Zero.
	Okay.
	And then you've got these, then the fake news guys are coming to me after that, after that leak came out, you know, 12, according to 12 officials, General Flynn was doing dirty, dirty things with the Russian ambassador.
	And then you really peel that back.
	What are you talking about?
	What is this?
	What do you have?
	Oh, he had a couple phone calls with him, right?
	That's his job!
	As you just said, that's which it's his job.
	And I was saying that at the time.
	So when you're now we're talking February of 2017.
	Um, and you know, Pence is going crazy, you know, and, and, and, you know, it says Flynn lied to him and all this stuff.
	And, and I just look, I, I met General Flynn in 2006.
	He was our nation's top, best leading intelligence officer.
	I met him in Iraq.
	If it wasn't for General Flynn and the team he assembled, I mean, that guy single handedly built the intelligence systems that went out and got really bad guys like Zarqawi.
	It really turned the war around in Iraq and Afghanistan.
	So you're telling me here's a guy and the evidence you have, you're smearing him left and right, and the evidence you have is something that is clearly leaked.
	On a phone call of him talking to the Russian ambassador, and which Flynn, as you as you know, Don, I was actually on the transition team at the time, as you know, as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
	And I was talking to Flynn all the time.
	I was talking to, you know, numerous
	It's to communicate!
	Right.
	To have open lines of communication so you don't get into wars and things of that nature.
	So the idea that one of our biggest adversaries, Russia, would not be working overtime to try to open up some doors and have communications with somebody like General Flynn, the incoming National Security Advisor, is just preposterous.
	And all of the fake news in Washington, D.C.
	knew it.
	And I said in February, I said the only
	Yeah.
	A leak of Chris Wray, the FBI director, talking to the CIA director, and say that that phone call leaked out, or say they were talking to some embassy somewhere, I don't know, pick a country, let's just say Australia.
	And if that leaked out today, the same thing that happened to Flynn,
	There would be hundreds, if not thousands, of federal agents roaming through the entire United States, but especially in our nation's capital.
	They would be arresting the Washington Post reporters that would have leaked that information out.
	It would be hair on fire.
	So and that's, you know, you look back at that, and that's really like the most obvious sign of a two tiered justice system, that you have these major leaks of a of a of an incoming administration, not a damn thing happens to them.
	But I guarantee you, if it happened today to any Democrat to this administration, I mean, look, for God's sakes, they tipped off Hunter Biden before they, you know, they were going to go and get some storage unit in Washington, D.C.
	The DOJ tipped them off before it happened.
	Yeah.
	I think the bigger part of it, to sort of further my last point, was like, you know, not only that, but then they bring these guys in for questioning.
	And like, they assume they're doing the right thing.
	They're, you know, they're trying to help out.
	They're not lawyering up.
	They're not doing anything like that.
	They're just trying to be like, hey, if there's something there.
	So all the things that they end up, you know, we got them, is like a guy that made an error because he didn't lawyer up.
	He didn't spend, you know, countless weeks
	Prepping for the testimony.
	They went in there, did the right thing, and they forgot about a conversation that happened three, five months prior to that, whatever it may have been.
	That was totally insignificant, but it wasn't that the conversation was significant.
	It's that if you didn't remember it, we got you.
	That's perjury.
	They tried doing that to me.
	You know, on the date of whatever it was, they're like, well, who called you at 3.07 PM from an unknown number?
	My dad had an unknown number, shockingly, right?
	They're like, oh, it must have been him.
	You must have relayed the information.
	Well, it turns out they subpoenaed the phone company.
	They did all this, but I didn't remember who called me at 3.02 on June, you know, 15th.
	Like, two years earlier?
	Like, I had no idea.
	They said I was lying about it.
	I had to have known.
	Turns out it was just a buddy of mine once they subpoenaed the records and went through the whole process.
	But an entire news cycle was dedicated to, I lied because I obviously knew who called me at a very specific time, literally two years prior.
	Like, I don't know, I get 50 phone calls a day.
	I had no idea.
	I was being genuine, but that was the big, the walls are closing in nonsense.
	So that's, whenever they, you know, supposedly got anyone, it was because those people, rather than lawyering up,
	Rather than putting up every wall, actually went in there in good faith and tried to work with them.
	But, you know, good faith needs to work both ways, and I think they assumed that was the case, and it clearly wasn't.
	Well, they were just making things up.
	You know, if you look back at that, and I remember that day that you came down into the
	For your deposition in the, in the SCIF, in the House Intelligence Committee.
	And you came down there, there's, you know, 400 freaking fake news press people out there.
	And before you could even go out to go to the bathroom, like you came in for the first few hours, and then like you went out to go to the bathroom or get something to eat or, you know, I don't even know what it was.
	But by that point,
	They had already leaked things from your interview.
	They, meaning the Democrats, had already leaked things from your interview.
	That, by the way, didn't happen.
	Once again, it was, like, you know, partially based on the truth.
	It has to be Schiff, right?
	But they took, like, an email that some random dude, like, spammed, like, a hundred Trump org emails and, like, got my email right.
	But it was the, I guess it was the WikiLeaks stuff.
	But it came on, like, let's call it the 14th.
	Well, the WikiLeaks stuff broke on the 10th, but what they did was they just deleted the 1, right?
	So the 14th became the 4th.
	So it looked like I had the classified WikiLeaks stuff six days before the entire world, rather than when I actually got it, which was four days after.
	Like, some dude had no idea.
	He's like, have you seen this?
	It's like, no, I didn't see the largest news story in the world right now for four days.
	I missed it.
	They literally, that was like a gotcha moment, and they literally doctored and altered my emails, which actually is pretty much on par with what Schiff has done to others, perhaps even yourself.
	Yeah, so that's the, well, yeah, he released my phone records too, you may remember that.
	But, so they did that to you, you know, they set you up like that.
	I mean, it was just a joke, doctored emails.
	But let's talk about the real details here.
	Who has something to do with Russia or a foreign adversary, now that we know?
	Well, you knew the Clinton Foundation.
	I give them credit.
	They at least did a better job than Biden.
	They set up a legal framework so that they could take in money from all of these foreign adversaries.
	Okay, but you knew they were getting tons and tons of money from all of our adversaries.
	The second she didn't win, their donations dropped off to almost nothing.
	It was like hundreds of millions, nothing.
	I mean, it shows you just how much of a scam all of this stuff is.
	And yet again, the press doesn't care.
	No one cares.
	Like, well, if they're doing such good work internationally, you know, there's the billion dollars in Haiti that didn't build a single home and all those kinds of things.
	They're getting all this international money from Russia when, you know, she's gonna win.
	Trump has zero chance.
	And then it goes to nothing.
	Well, maybe they weren't actually doing good work.
	Maybe this is the pay-to-play scheme that, you know, we're always talking about.
	Well, it is.
	So the Clintons were doing that, right?
	And as you as you rightfully point out, then it dries up when she's not going to be when she doesn't get elected.
	Then you have we now know Biden, you know, they were taking money.
	What was it?
	Four million from the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.
	They took, I think, four million bucks.
	And now we're now we're finding out that they were taking what appears to be 20 or 30 million dollars, at least that the Republicans in Congress have found.
	This is the Biden's doing this.
	And then, let's talk about your good friend Adam Schiff, who doctored up the emails to basically frame you, just like the FBI did to Carter Page and Papadopoulos and everybody else.
	Adam Schiff, the only guy that we know that tried to get dirt on his political opponents from Russia, was Adam Schiff.
	And the fake news will never report on it.
	You'll never hear about it.
	But of course, I say every possible chance that I can get, because it was caught on videotaped on audio.
	This fool from the House Intelligence Committee, they don't tell us, okay?
	We don't know this is going on.
	They're supposed to.
	I'm the chairman of the committee.
	This fool gets on a phone call, which ends up being just like radio pranksters.
	Yeah, it's like shock jocks from Ukraine.
	Yeah.
	And they catch him saying, oh, you've got compromise on Trump.
	Oh, wow.
	Naked pictures of Trump.
	You know, I mean, they're going on and on and on.
	Can you get this to us?
	I mean, Adam Schiff is the only one who tried to get information from Russians that we know of.
	Yeah.
	Well, we had Anna Paulina Luna on last week and, you know, talking about her censuring Adam Schiff.
	And he got on the floor, I guess it was like last Thursday, and was like, well, Donald Trump Jr.
	did it.
	I'm like, wait a second, like, you fell for a shock jock.
	The difference between me in 2016, 2015, whatever it was, and Adam Schiff is like,
	I had no, like, I wasn't involved in politics.
	I had no power.
	The people we were actually talking about, like, were Russian real estate developers that we'd actually looked at doing buildings with because we were actually a real estate company.
	Like, I actually passed on doing deals with them.
	I didn't like the way the deal ended up being, but, like, these were real people, and that's how business is conducted.
	You maintain relationships.
	That's just the real world.
	Adam Schiff was on the Intelligence Committee of the United States of America and fell for shock jocks, but he can still go now, six years later, seven years later, knowing all of this and be like, Don Jr.
	did this!
	I mean, the irony and just the total lack of self-awareness is truly spectacular, but to your point, you're 100% right.
	The media doesn't even talk about it.
	Like, he could get there.
	He's seen the information.
	He's seen the this.
	He's seen it.
	It's all bullshit.
	Not one person outside of guys like us on places like this would even say it.
	If you said that on YouTube, you'd probably be thrown off because they'd figure out some sort of technicality.
	You know, you put the comma in the wrong spot in the inflection in your voice, and therefore we're not going to do it.
	Or they'll just smother it to make sure that it has no reach.
	But this guy could also be a United States senator, and it's all based on lies.
	Yeah.
	But it shows you where we've come to this point in this country where the institutions are collapsing.
	And we're in this very dangerous place.
	You know, you and I could talk about all the stuff at Mar-a-Lago and all the crazy stuff that's going on with the Department of Justice, but big picture here is this.
	That the media is the propaganda arm for the for the left and the Democratic Party.
	And last week, there's not a better example than what we saw last week.
	Not not one, not one.
	I mean, because you had Schiff, who, I mean, he's the only guy like we talked about that actually tried to get dirt on his political opponents from Russians.
	And he was celebrated.
	He was celebrated, Don, across the in the Congress.
	I don't know if you saw some of those video footage.
	It was like, you know, it was like, you know, I don't know, Caesar, you know, coming back to Rome or something.
	They were like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And they were attacking Kevin McCarthy on the floor of the house.
	I mean, like, what planet are we in where a guy gets censored for lying, using his position, lying for for a year, year after year after year?
	Yeah.
	And then he's still willing, like you just said, to go out there and repeat the same lies again, knowing that he's the one that got caught.
	Yeah, and they're not even pretending.
	They're not saying, like, no, no, no, he didn't say those things, or here's some nuance that makes it accurate.
	Like, he lied to the American public daily.
	He said, I had committed treason, a crime punishable by death, minor details.
	Like, daily.
	And it's all nonsense.
	We know that now, and yet it doesn't matter even a little bit.
	And you're right.
	I guess the institutions are broken.
	Big tech and mainstream media couldn't care less, provided they're moving that ball forward.
	I mean, listen,
	We're learning about it every day now from, you know, the Biden crime family.
	And I love your point that it's like, it seems like the Hillary camp actually got this stuff on Biden when she thought that he was going to be the person challenging them.
	They were collecting this information and they just repurposed it from Trump.
	But we've learned that the IRS investigation into the, you know, apparent money laundering payments
	Was essentially given a stand down order from the Biden DOJ.
	There's a whistleblower out there saying that they wanted to charge him with 11 counts, 11 counts, including multiple felonies.
	But senior DOJ attorneys stood in the way like.
	I mean, it shouldn't surprise us at this point, but, you know, what's your reaction to this blatant corruption we're seeing play out?
	Not just during that time, but it continues.
	Like, they're caught, and they're still protecting the scumbags like Hunter Biden.
	I don't get it, because I look at how they nullify me.
	I have a feeling I would not be given the benefit of the doubt.
	No one from the DOJ, even a Trump DOJ, would be coming in to save my ass like they've done to Hunter.
	It's but it's even bigger than that, Don.
	It just shows the total collapse of all the institutions and how the media really is weaponized now.
	And and look, it took your it took your father to expose it all.
	Um, you know, that's what I always, you know, I always, I always said that, look, you know, in, in, in 17, I said, look, if I, I'll be the first guy.
	If I, if, if I find out that, uh, that, that Don jr, uh, was taking money from the mayor of Moscow and from, from an oil company in Ukraine and from the Chinese communist party.
	And he was telling, uh, uh, president Trump about it.
	I'll be the first to talk about it.
	Oh, wait a second.
	That really did happen, but it wasn't to your family.
	It actually really did happen.
	Yeah.
	And no one cares.
	I mean, those links alone would have been, to me, incredibly damaging, probably totally disqualifying for my father as president, impeachment worthy.
	And yet they actually happened.
	And no one's even asking the question.
	I mean, we are, Devin, as you know, according to even the Biden administration, we're on the verge of World War Three, the closest we've been since the Cuban Missile Crisis with Russia.
	No one's even asking, like, hey, do you think some of our, like, anti-Russia, pro-Ukraine policy is based on the fact that maybe they've got, maybe someone has more dirt on the Bidens, on the pay-to-play scheme, on this?
	And we're literally conducting and giving away hundreds of billions of dollars to cover up
	A crime?
	And, like, based on all of the factset, based on all of the information that we literally know is out there, has been verified, that no one could reasonably explain, like, why Hunter's getting this kind of money, like, the fact that no one in the media is even willing to ask the question of, like, hey, are we on the verge of World War III to cover up these crimes?
	And you've got the fact that
	All of this has now been exposed, and every day they're making themselves look more and more ridiculous.
	I think that's the point where we are in our country today.
	Think about it.
	You and I could not have done this.
	The technology didn't exist.
	The platforms didn't exist.
	Even three, four, five years ago, what we're doing right now couldn't exist or didn't exist.
	Essentially, Fox News had a monopoly on the cable market.
	You had Rush Limbaugh, you had Mark Levin, you had Sean Hannity.
	That's where people receive their information, on the right.
	Well, now all of a sudden, there are some, I don't know, there's probably 250, maybe 300 legitimate sources for information now that are coming via these podcasts and things like this, that just a few years ago didn't exist.
	So the more they have tried to smother us,
	The more people who have popped up, and it's multiplied the ability for people to investigate things.
	And if you go back and look at even the Russia hoax, one of the ways that we were able to figure out a lot of the things that we were able to uncover was because of social media before they started censoring it.
	Because
	People would go to Facebook, they'd go to Instagram, they'd go to Twitter, and they'd start putting stuff out there.
	Now, as you know, a lot of it is not true, but they would come up with creative, like, oh my god, we didn't think about this.
	Or, you know, a lot of times people say, hey, back in the day I worked with
	We're good to go.
	It's not just reliant on kind of the Fox News and the big radio hosts anymore.
	Yeah, and we've even seen conservative mainstream media, you know, censor or cover up these things to go, you know, again, they've got advertisers that they answer to.
	Those advertisers aren't exactly on our side.
	I mean, I think
	You know, that's perhaps what we've seen, which is like, they're just as bad at, you know, maybe not just as bad, but pretty close to just as bad on some of the big issues as the left.
	And they're just not willing to engage in that.
	Or, like so many of your sort of, you know, former, you know, Rhino colleagues in Washington, D.C., they may know, but you know, man, it's not worth the headache.
	If I say this, I'm gonna get the Washington Post hit piece on me.
	And in Washington,
	You know, that's still seen as a credible source of information where it actually isn't.
	You look at the discrepancy between, you know, the raid of Mar-a-Lago.
	And according to the whistleblower, they wanted to go look at Joe Biden's house.
	And people are leaking to the Biden lawyers.
	Hey, this is coming, so just take care of it.
	Don't worry about it.
	That would have been a really big deal.
	In fact, they're trying to throw my father in jail for 450 years because of these things.
	But like, they're going to leak.
	The Biden raid, with actual fire, without the ability to have, at the time, declassified anything.
	Like, the fact sets don't even lie.
	It's not even like it's close.
	And yet, my father could face 450 years in prison and Hunter Biden gets to let his lawyers go burn the documents.
	And it's like, that's okay.
	Nothing to see here.
	Yeah.
	And I just, um, if it wasn't like, if your dad would have just decided to go play golf, um, and not run, none of this would be happening, but we wouldn't know any of this, right.
	We, you know, there wouldn't be things like true social that are out there rumble.
	Um, there wouldn't be some 250, 300 now legitimate podcasters, people out there doing investigations, doing interviews like, like you are, um,
	And, you know, I even do it, you know, once a week too, you know, because I still kept my podcast and now we feature true social, you know, true social users on that podcast.
	This wouldn't, this wouldn't exist if it wouldn't have been for your, I always tell people that your dad kind of has just pulled the, the, just ripped the bandaid off and, and he's exposing all of these people and you're, you're exactly right.
	And I, I was so, one of the most frustrating
	Things that I had that I dealt with in Washington my last few years there was, and you just kind of mentioned it, it was my colleagues just inability to understand that when a fake news person, which most of them in the Capitol are fake news, when they come up to you, you don't have to talk to them.
	Yeah.
	And you don't have to be bullied, by the way.
	You can actually do what your constituency elected you to do.
	But that's the problem.
	They get a taste of Washington.
	They like the parties and the attention.
	And all of a sudden, it's not what the people of Iowa or wherever they're from want.
	It's
	Well, I, you know, I'm gonna do that light so that I'm the light, so that I'm invited to the cool person party, so that I'm not a pariah, whereas, like, for me, in Washington, D.C., if you're considered a pariah by that same fake news, it's because you're actually doing the right thing.
	Right.
	That's exactly right.
	And if you look, I would get up in these private closed door meetings with my Republican colleagues and I would say, guys, why are you talking to this reporter, that reporter?
	And they'd say, well, we have to appeal to the people in the middle.
	I'm like, okay, let me put it a different way.
	Would you walk over to the Democratic National Committee and sit down with five of the best trial lawyers and litigators in the country for a deposition?
	Would you do that?
	Well, no, of course not, Devin.
	You're doing that.
	When you walk outside of this room right now and you see five people, these are paid assassins that are only here to target you, either to get you or to get you to say something stupid.
	And, you know, what I just, you know, I would just start at the end.
	I mean, well, actually it started in 2017.
	I just said, look, you're fake news.
	I don't talk to you.
	And they'd say, well, you know, when are you, you know, Donald Trump Jr., you know, he was talking to this Russian.
	I said, do you understand I'm not talking to you or acknowledging even the question that you're asking me?
	Because if you say no comment,
	They'd say, Don Jr.
	had an email!
	He refused to comment because Don Jr.
	is guilty of treason!
	So, listen.
	You've been there.
	You've been at the highest levels.
	Is it possible to reform the DOJ?
	Is it possible to reform the intel agencies?
	Like, are they just beyond repair?
	Because, man, you gotta wonder.
	And if so, what do you do?
	Well, I worry about, in the grand scheme of things, the United States is going to be fine, okay?
	Because we're a democratic republic, maybe it's better to be lucky than good, but we have these 50 states, and as you know, there's a stark difference now between New York City and Florida, or Washington D.C.
	and Oklahoma.
	So, in the long run,
	Their stuff doesn't work.
	They can lie, they can trick the people, and they've done that in these inner cities.
	I mean, they've become... It's basically the megacities versus the rest of America, where people actually do things, right?
	They're driving a truck... Okay, but if they've been doing that for a while, and I don't... You know, I gotta push back, because it's like, they've been doing it for a while,
	Nothing has improved for the people.
	And yet, you know, still blindly vote.
	Hey, we need an election.
	We need 50,000 votes from that market.
	Congratulations.
	You know, Joe Biden can lose 18 of 19 bellwethers, but still manage to magically, magically outperform Barack Obama in 08 in Atlanta.
	Philadelphia, Detroit.
	I mean, yeah, it's very believable stuff, Devin.
	And yet, it happens.
	You're not allowed to question it.
	Even if you do, then you're branded a prior, thrown off every platform imaginable.
	You're never given another soapbox to speak from.
	I think this is where a place like Truth can come in, because the people who've been proven right about this, whether it's about Wuhan, whether it's about election stuff, whether it's about all these things, can continue to talk.
	But
	Man, these things have been going on for a while.
	Perhaps the greatest success of the Trump presidency was putting this all out in the open.
	Now everyone who's willing to look can see just how flagrant it is, just how biased it is.
	I don't know.
	It feels like it's continuing and not a lot's changing.
	There's a point when you look at the rights they want to infringe upon, there's a point that once you give up, there's no coming back from it.
	And man, if we're not on the Rubicon, we're certainly not too far to this side of it.
	If anything, we've crossed it.
	How do you ever get back where you can reclaim the things that mattered to America historically?
	Yeah, look, you say the Rubicon, we have passed the Rubicon here.
	This is, and if my former colleagues and people in America, I think that generally the average American that pays attention, that's watching this and watching some 300 different podcasters, getting their information from places other than the fake news,
	They know this is wrong.
	I mean, my God, Don, I'm getting calls from people.
	I mean, every time your dad gets arrested, I'm taking calls from people that I used to work with in my former life, people from foreign countries saying, did this really just happen in America?
	What the hell are you guys doing there?
	So foreigners get it.
	We look like a joke overseas.
	We've lost all credibility.
	The American people
	If you're not living in an inner city, just being treated like a mushroom, you're getting it.
	And I think it shows in the polls.
	I mean, your dad had a funny line last weekend.
	Where he was, I think he was at the Faith and Freedom Coalition.
	And it's kind of, it's sad, but funny at the same time.
	But your dad's probably the first person in history that has been indicted twice, arrested twice, and his poll numbers have went up.
	Yeah.
	Now, that's happening because people know this is wrong.
	People know we passed the Rubicon.
	I mean, think of it.
	When Donald Trump started going up in the polls, it was when the raid on Mar-a-Lago happened.
	That's when he really started because people said enough is enough.
	And I can tell you just, you know, now I've seen people that, and you know, you know, the type of folks, I mean, obviously your dad has this huge, MAGA is the biggest political movement in modern history, you know, and I say modern, like the last hundred years, there's nothing that compares to this political movement.
	We're good to go.
	Those, you know, maybe we should go with somebody that can, that can, you know, is nicer, you know, you know, the people, you know.
	I always ask, what are the policies you didn't like?
	Was it like Middle East peace?
	Was it prosperity?
	Was it energy independence?
	Was it ending endless wars?
	Like which one?
	Because like, I don't think there's literally a single metric, economic or otherwise, where we're better off now.
	You know, you mentioned, you know, the faith and freedom event, like,
	Those people in Joe Biden's America and under Joe Biden's DOJ are considered domestic terrorists because those are the mothers that would go to a PTA meeting and be like, I don't need my children indoctrinated with trans BS or BLM nonsense or whatever it may be.
	Those are domestic terrorists.
	But, like, the people flashing children at all these drag shows that, you know, they're not for children, but if the children can't attend, we're not going to host it.
	Like, they're definitely not groomers.
	We're told that.
	This is the social justice issue of the century, according to Joe Biden.
	I mean, who's actually representing real Americans anymore in D.C.? ?
	Well, and that's my point, is that between the crazy weird trans stuff that nobody understands, between the economy, between how we look overseas, and then the arrest of the primary political opponent of the administration, I'm seeing these people who are now finally waking up.
	They're conservative generally, but they don't really pay attention too much to politics.
	Now you're seeing your father now, people are saying, oh, wait a second.
	Wow, this is different.
	This is not okay.
	And that's why I believe your dad's poll numbers are going up, because I think people are waking up to the fact that
	That this can't go on, and who's the only guy that can fix it?
	And I believe, you know, because you asked me a question, how can you, can it be fixed?
	Look, it's going to be very difficult, but I can tell you that, and I know almost all the candidates that are running, you know, I've known many of them for a long time.
	I can tell you that the only guy, this is going to be a tough thing to fix, because you've got to have somebody who's willing to go in there and flip up all the tools.
	Yeah, that's the difference.
	Not just tell you you're going to do it, but then actually do it once you're given the ability.
	And now with Trump with the inside knowledge,
	Yeah, I get that.
	That's a no-brainer.
	And that's right.
	I was with your dad last week, and he just didn't, and I think you mentioned it earlier on the show here today, that you go to Washington, your dad was a New York business guy, and he just thinks that
	Well, you know, Jeff Sessions has been a senator for a long time.
	He must know how this works.
	He endorsed him.
	Your dad was being loyal to him to put him in the position of DOJ.
	But then you realize, and this is no attack on Jeff Sessions, but I do think it's an important point to make here, kind of back on what we were talking about.
	Think about what they had on Jeff Sessions.
	Jeff Sessions, you know, Comey and what other dipshit walk into Sessions' office and say,
	We think we have.
	You spoke to the Russian ambassador.
	Is this true, Senator?
	Not that I remember.
	Well, instead of Jeff Sessions, what he should have said at the time was, go to hell, get the hell out of my office right now.
	I'm going to go to the president because you need to be fired.
	That's what he should have said.
	Yeah.
	But instead, and they made a big deal about this, and think how ridiculous this is.
	They found Jeff Sessions, the former senator, in 2016 at some point, was at an event in Washington, D.C.
	with hundreds of people, of which the Russian ambassador was there, Don.
	Now, do you know how many times I was with the Russian ambassador?
	I used to say this to the news, the fake news.
	I'd say, well, I saw the Russian ambassador numerous times.
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah, at the this state dinner at the State of the Union.
	Matter of fact, it was at the White House with Obama was there, too.
	I mean, are you going to arrest Obama because the Russian ambassador was there?
	So you had your dad thought a guy like Jeff Sessions was knew the process, knew what to do.
	But, you know, he was just weak.
	And that's the difference now is your dad's got people
	Uh, like, you know, John Ratcliffe and a guy that who's done all these jobs, you know, a guy like that, you know, somebody like that could come back in the administration.
	He knows how DOJ works.
	He knows how FBI and the intelligence agencies work.
	So there's a whole stable of people
	That are working with like America First Policy Institute with Linda McMahon, Bob Lighthizer, you know, for all the fake news, well, I mean, some of it's not fake.
	There was a lot of people who disappointed us a lot in terms of how they conducted themselves in the administration.
	But they failed to focus on the rock stars, the people who kicked ass, you know, like a Bob Lighthizer.
	I mean, here's a guy who was hated.
	And Bob Lighthizer, for the viewers, he was the US trade representative.
	He had previously worked for Reagan.
	He was a lawyer.
	And he was kind of ostracized from kind of the mainstream beltway because he was a guy who said, hey,
	Yeah, he says, hey, China might be a problem here.
	China could pose a problem for the United States.
	So he was seeing all the globalists, all the corporatists.
	And I was on the Ways and Means Committee where we dealt with trade.
	And I remember when your dad made that choice.
	And I didn't know Bob very well.
	I just knew the reputation as an anti-China guy.
	And I had all these core people like, oh my God, this is going to be horrible.
	This is the worst thing ever.
	Lighthizer is crazy.
	He has all these crazy beliefs.
	Well, look,
	What actually happened?
	Thank God, you know, your dad picked somebody like Lighthizer who was able to put in place these tariffs.
	And I think, you know, your dad, your President Trump would have probably done even more.
	I think Lighthizer would have pushed him more.
	And I think now we know those guys are there.
	They're solid people.
	There's a bunch of them.
	And I think that, you know, you always have to see the good.
	I think
	At the end of the day, like we talked about, there's 50 states.
	A lot of these states aren't going back.
	They're not going to be communist.
	Yeah.
	And there's going to be a lot of good people.
	And hopefully your dad can get through the finish line here without spending 450 years in prison.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Or a brutal primary.
	Honestly, it seems like a lot of the people getting involved in the primary on the Republican side are literally there just to force
	To force basically a drain of the funds that will be required to be able to take on the Democrat machine.
	I mean, you're familiar with the Democrat machine in California, but it's becoming that way across the country, right?
	You know, an average congressional race, they're outspending us five or ten to one.
	You know, they sort of the in-kind contribution from the mainstream media, who's, again, trying to
	Do gotcha stuff to any Republican while artificially doing the exact opposite for any Democrat candidate.
	I mean, you know, talk about that.
	I mean, we talked about obviously the bias in the media and everything that's going on, but, you know, there are, you know, the other avenues.
	I mean, you went on to become the CEO of Truth Social.
	Tell us about what's going on there, how that's looking, about growth, the engagement
	There, because again, I think people need an alternative venue.
	I think Rumble's been a great thing, and they're free speech.
	There's people on the other side on Rumble, but they're allowed to say what they actually think, rather than, you're only allowed to say the narrative, and if you veer off too far, you know, maybe you can contest the narrative a little bit, but only like 10%.
	If you say this, you're off, and it no longer matters.
	Tell us about what's going on at Truth Social, because I know I see it in the comments a lot.
	People are curious what's happening.
	Talk about that, because
	That is, you know, even with the changes in Twitter, there's still, you know, the inmates, in my opinion, are still oftentimes running the asylum.
	You know, you can fire 50% of something, but if that 50% was still 100% radical big tech Democrats, there's only so much you can do to change that.
	This is the way that I think people have to look at this.
	I always tell people, I didn't need a new job.
	Donald Trump, I was perfectly fine in Congress.
	I would have been the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.
	President Trump didn't need a new company.
	But we were forced to go out there because the American people had lost their voice.
	People couldn't communicate.
	I mean, whether it was on vaccines or anything political, it was being censored left and right.
	So they said, go out and, you know, and they always always said, well, if you guys don't like big tech, you Republicans can go build your own company.
	So President Trump, myself, I mean, that's what we're doing.
	I mean, with your help.
	Build your own, but then they try to stop you in every way.
	You know, it's all a big lie.
	I mean, that's the problem.
	Everything they do is a big lie.
	Like, build your own, then Amazon Web Services.
	No, you can't use our servers.
	It's like, you know, they want to say it to make it appear as though, you know, they want for that.
	Maybe this is a little biased, but like, they want for you to be able to compete, but they don't.
	They want entire control of the narrative.
	Yeah, and think about how this started.
	You know, if you think back to a year ago, a little over a year ago, when we first launched and we were beta testing, we launched on Apple first, and then we went open up on the web, and then we finally got into the Google Play Store for Android, which didn't happen, by the way, until October.
	A lot of people forget that.
	But we have an entire closed loop system that doesn't rely on Amazon or Microsoft or Oracle or pick your pick your poison.
	None of them.
	Between us and Rumble, we have built this closed loop system that's global to where now people can speak freely.
	And, you know, at first they said, oh, they can never do it.
	Nobody will work for them, right?
	That was the first thing.
	And then they said, oh, it's not gonna work.
	Nobody, it just can't work.
	They can't do it.
	Well, all of that, now they have to say, Don, it's funny, the fake news, now they have to actually admit, instead of it not working and it being terrible and all the bad things that we're gonna, supposedly, that we weren't gonna be able to do, the best they can come up with now is that, well, it's a niche platform of MAGA people.
	Well, guess what?
	The MAGA people didn't have anywhere to go, you jerks, because you had banned them from all the other platforms.
	And so they can no longer say that this is not a massive audience.
	I mean, when you look at the big picture, Donald Trump has more followers today on True Social than he had on Twitter when he came down the escalator to run for president.
	Wow.
	So this has been created.
	Now, what are they doing to us?
	And this is a question that we get all the time.
	We want to have access to the public capital markets.
	And, you know, there's a merger in place.
	It's supposed to be done, but, of course, it's being blocked.
	And it's being blocked by who?
	It's being blocked by a guy named Gensler, who's the head of SEC.
	Now, Gensler has an interesting history with me and with your dad, and we started out this conversation, and I don't even know if you know about this, but through our investigation into the Russia hoax, we found out we had to figure out
	Who paid for the dossier?
	Who authorized these payments?
	I don't know this, but I already see where it's going and it never ends.
	I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but continue.
	Gary Gensler, the head of the SEC, is who we discovered.
	He was the treasurer for the Clinton campaign.
	At the end of the day, he was the one who funded the dossier.
	He figured out a way to launder the money through three different ways to get it to Christopher Steele to produce this dossier.
	I mean, you can't make this stuff up.
	You want to know one even more ridiculous?
	One of the top people at the SEC
	is that deals with an enforcement has been there for a long time is somebody by the name of Hodgman.
	Well, she happens to be the wife of I'll give you one guess.
	Let's say Gary was that Peter struck?
	Are you serious?
	So that's not Lisa Page, the one he had the affair with who was going to stop
	No.
	Yeah, you didn't know this.
	That I didn't know.
	I was thinking you were maybe going to go to Gensler.
	I was like, that seems really close, but that's almost even worse.
	So the actual wife of Peter Strzok, not the one who became famous by having the affair with Peter Strzok, but I guess that was Lisa Page.
	That was Lisa Page.
	His actual wife is the person in charge of enforcement at the SEC.
	So these are people, let's just leave it.
	They don't exactly like Trump.
	They're not exactly fair-minded or open-minded to their political leanings.
	These are partisan hacks, and these are the people ultimately deciding whether that merger that's the DWAC Truth Social merger can actually
	Yeah, and look, these are the things that we've been, you know, that Congress, you know, is now trying to uncover because this is massive corruption here.
	I mean, they are basically trying to kill our access to the capital markets by people who should have, these people should be recused.
	And they're not recused.
	You know why we know when they're not recused?
	Because Gensler's been asked about this.
	The SEC has been asked about this.
	And look, in any normal, we talk about institutions collapsing and institutions failing.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if I was, you know, running the SEC, and there was some merger involving some Democratic Party operative or something, I mean, look, I would, first of all, I'd have 75 fake news people, are you working on this merger?
	But
	I would say, look, I'm not going to work on this merger, right?
	If I was on the SEC, I'm not going to do it.
	This is the opposite.
	I mean, clearly these people, by not coming out and saying that we're not involved in this, this is being treated differently than any SPAC in history.
	And look, it's, you know, September 8th is when it expires.
	I mean, you know, your dad's agreement is already up.
	It's horrible what's happening here, but hopefully Congress can get to the corruption.
	We're trying to help them as much as we can.
	They're running an investigation, and I think what you're going to find at the end of this is going to be the same thing that you found in the Russia hoax and Ukraine impeachment hoax and everything else.
	Um, this is purely political.
	It's the weaponization of government.
	And, you know, hopefully Jim Jordan with his committee can take this whole situation, um, you know, for the last, you know, year and a half.
	And, and, you know, possibly you're, you know, you'll find that smoking gun that ultimately Gensler and these people could be held accountable for what is really just the politicization of the SEC.
	Because remember, the goal of the SEC, they have a, they have a clear mission, Don.
	Okay, number one is to protect companies like ours, private companies that are trying to go public so that we don't get taken advantage of, which by the way, we're being taken advantage of right now.
	I mean, without us having the access to these capital markets, how do you compete with Amazon or Microsoft, right?
	Secondly, they're supposed to look out for people that buy the stock.
	Well, they're not doing either of those.
	And I don't see that there's any, you know, I don't think they care.
	I mean, there's also no outrage from the people in the media that if you were doing this to, you know, the liberal platforms, that's all of them, or a liberal media, they'd be out there screaming,
	To the high heavens.
	But because this is an alternative to the lies that they're peddling, in the sense that it's actually truth, it's actually objective, it's actually this, this is a great challenge to the narrative.
	So rather than saying, hey, you are hurting those individuals, you are preventing actual free market economies from working,
	You know what, well, I don't know, that's a threat to us and our hegemony and our power and everything that we have, so we're just gonna turn a blind eye to it like everything else.
	And again, when you look at the cast of characters now involved, and you look back over Russia, it's like, how do they keep getting those same people magically in the loop?
	They're magically, you know, oh, shockingly, it's this person's the person that's gonna let Hunter Biden go, shockingly.
	You know, this was the person that was slated to be Joe Biden's ambassador.
	There is no such thing as coincidence, and there's definitely no such thing as this much coincidence.
	It's literally, statistically impossible, and yet it's happening every day, and like, the silence is deafening.
	Yeah, I just call them the plumbers.
	I mean, anybody who was involved in the Obama-Biden administration, if you did the bidding, if you did things that, you know, cover-ups, if you engaged in corrupt activity, even criminal activity, you failed upward.
	You're now in charge.
	Yeah.
	That's basically what's happened here, is that they've rewarded all of these political creatures
	Who are now who've taken over all the levers of Washington and they have an advantage because you start with 95% of the city does never votes for Republican.
	So you've got all the people that work in these bureaucracies who are who are definitely anti Republican.
	And then all the people at the top have been people that have been vetted by them.
	You know, no different than I think one of the best examples is the is the you don't really need to look any further.
	The letter from the 51 intelligence agencies to say that it was the the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation was coordinated by
	Mike Morrell, a guy who was a high-level intelligence official, CIA, who knew better, he knew it wasn't Russian disinformation, and coordinated with Tony Blinken.
	If you don't know who Tony Blinken is, he's now currently the Secretary of State, arguably the number three in the United States government.
	Yeah, that sounds like quid pro quo, but that's just me.
	I mean, they're literally rewarding the worst actors.
	But you could go back further than that, right?
	How many of the same cast of characters, whether it's, you know, Strzok or Brennan, I mean, they lied before Congress.
	Like, that's, it's clear.
	It's not like it's subjective or like maybe there's some nuance.
	Like, they lied before Congress.
	If I lied before Congress, I'd be in jail for perjury.
	They would be throwing the book at me.
	These guys, not only does nothing happen to them, they get like, they're contributors at CNN or MSDNC and they get paid, they were rewarded big jobs.
	And I get to see them as every news day breaks,
	This is not about democracy and honor and truth.
	I'm like, you lied before Congress, before the American people.
	You abused your position of power.
	And it's like, you're the guy that's going to lecture us on honesty and decency and literally anything?
	You have ceded that moral high ground so many times over, and yet they have no shame.
	They'll keep doing it because, I guess, there's no reason not to.
	Well, and there's, you know, look, we've talked about a lot of different stories and different threads that we're pulling back on here today.
	But think about this one.
	This is one of the things that Durham was able to uncover.
	You know, some of this was exposed by John Ratcliffe.
	He declassified some of this information, but I think Durham was actually able to put it together.
	So, you know, we talked early in the show about, you know, how the Russia hoax started and how they did an intelligence committee assessment and then they brief us in early 2017.
	Well, we now know through Durham's investigation that
	Brennan, the head of the CIA, knew in late July, August, and had actually briefed Obama and Biden that this was a Hillary Clinton campaign stunt, that they were in full operation on this.
	So,
	Everybody knew, Don.
	Everybody knew, and that's just lost on people.
	Let's just start there.
	The head of the CIA briefed the president, the vice president, everybody had to know.
	So then fast forward a few months into late 2016 when they launched this ICA
	Wait a second, you launch an ICA, you participate in the Intelligence Committee assessment, but you don't talk about how the Clinton campaign, you know that they're trying to smear the Trump campaign with this.
	That doesn't make it into the ICA.
	Then you fast forward, you use that information, the dossier.
	Brennan was in the room when Comey briefed us on this.
	We don't know where this came from.
	It could be serious.
	It's, you know, Russia, the P tapes, you know?
	Yeah, he knew he was in the room.
	And so like,
	It just it's just a great example of how everything is just devolved into total total chaos.
	And if you are a Republican, especially if you are a Trump Republican, it's you know, it's just a tough place in Washington, D.C.
	I mean, the whole government is lined up against you.
	So how does this all play out, you know, for 2024?
	Again, I do think slowly but surely.
	You know, there's plenty of Americans that just, you know, they're not into this stuff like we are or the people perhaps even watching the show, right?
	They're working hard to try to live their American dream.
	They're trying to put food on the table in the Joe Biden economy that's getting harder and harder to do on a daily basis.
	You know, they may not know this.
	They may not see it.
	And even if they're starting to get there, how does all of this play out?
	You know, we talked about sort of the alternate forms of media.
	I think, you know, media has probably never been less trusted than it is right now.
	And so, again, there's plenty of great people talking about this stuff on Truth.
	There's plenty of people talking about it on Rumble.
	Actually getting, you know, the real news out there, not the sort of whitewashed 10% of the truth and let's still protect the narrative and the people in power.
	How do you see this playing out in 2024?
	How do you see the primary politics playing out right now?
	Because I see all these people, you know, competing in the primary that, I mean, I don't even get it.
	You know, what do you see happening in the coming 18 months?
	Well, let's take the primary.
	Clearly, there's a movement within some of the candidates.
	Like I said, I think I know almost all of them.
	They're clearly being put up to run by someone.
	Is that to drain the coffers to make it harder to fight?
	Meaning, is that basically a shadow campaign to allow Joe Biden another four years?
	Because they would rather see that, even with the disaster, even this, because it doesn't affect them, because they're permanent Washington, as opposed to, you know, America first.
	Like, their biggest fear is Trump.
	So it's like, they would rather have Joe Biden than Trump, even if
	As conservatives, they don't actually disagree with any of the Trump policies.
	I mean, I sort of forgot to mention it earlier.
	It's like, those who are like, well, you know, Trump, I don't want the drama.
	It's like, well, do you think the drama was ever created by lies like four years of a Steele dossier or pee tapes or going after your family?
	And if someone did that to you, would you also fight back and maybe, you know, not have the bedside manner that you'd love to have on a daily basis?
	Well, look, and that was kind of my point I was trying to make earlier, that President Trump never really got to be president because he was dealing with this whole propaganda machine that was out there smearing him on a daily basis that involved our own government, right?
	This is not the old days where the DNC sends out a press conference.
	You've got kind of a dirty, dirty trick that happens in October right before the election that, you know, everybody, we've seen this before.
	No.
	This was the government weaponized against the incoming, the candidate for president, the incoming president, all during the presidency.
	And now as the leading candidate, all of this is weaponized.
	That's why we passed the Rubicon.
	So I don't, you know, you've got, I think what's, what's happening right now, you've got the three or four people that are running that are simply running just to, to, to attack Donald Trump, to kill off MAGA.
	I think so.
	Um, and then you've got, I think, a lot of the kind of billionaire money, uh, went behind, uh, Ron DeSantis, who I served with in Congress.
	He's, you know, he's been a, you know, the governor of Florida.
	You're, you know, he, he owes all of his success to Donald Trump.
	I mean, he was going to lose to a meth addict.
	Right.
	You know, like, just so we understand.
	And so, yeah, that's why it's a little disappointing.
	But it's interesting watching him get out there.
	It's like, you know, and I don't know that anyone spent more time on a campaign trail with him that wasn't part of his campaign than me in 2018.
	And it's sort of like, what's interesting is sort of the image created online does not exactly line up with the personality that you get.
	And I sort of
	I knew that because having spent as much time, it's sort of interesting watching all of that collapse.
	Like once you actually spend time with him, you realize that so much of that image is literally a creation by paid influencers.
	Yeah, and I think, look, no matter how much money you can put into someone and someone's campaign, at the end of the day, this is the largest political movement in history, that the billionaires and the corporate people, they don't want to admit it.
	The lobbyists in Washington, D.C., even a lot of my colleagues, they don't understand, and they think, oh, it's just Donald Trump.
	Sure, he's a big personality, but as we know, he's one of the most popular figures in modern history.
	But what they're not recognizing is, is that the American people are pissed off.
	And as you know, your dad believes in a few things that are really important, that really resonate with people.
	And that is, you know, number one, it always bothered him to see all of those empty factories that he grew up with as a kid.
	He'd see them in New Jersey, New York, all through the Rust Belt.
	He, as you know, Don, he believes that.
	He thinks that's wrong.
	And he ran on that.
	I mean, he believes it to his core.
	That's a core belief you can't take away.
	Nobody wants to admit it.
	And of course, you've got the corporate elites who don't want that.
	They want somebody that they can control.
	And they don't like that Donald Trump is going to, once again, probably increase tariffs on China.
	Yeah, they can be all conservative, but not if it costs you a half a cent more to make your widget.
	In which case, they're going to roll over and kowtow to China.
	And I mean, all of corporate America is that way, right?
	You got the electric power stuff.
	Well, where's all the batteries coming from?
	China.
	Where's all the rare earth minerals coming?
	And who controls that all over the world?
	China.
	You know, they can pretend to be against China, but when it really comes down to it, they're not going to be, or even if they want to be, their donors, the people that actually control them, they don't want to be, and therefore it's not going to happen.
	So it's all, it's all a lie.
	You know, they're going to say this on a stage, once they get power, does anyone really believe they're going to do that?
	We saw that, you know, the Ron DeSantis flip on Ukraine.
	He sort of tried taking the Trump position, maybe the Trump light position, and then, oh, no, no, no, Ukraine is the biggest issue for all Republicans all over the world.
	It's like, we must flip.
	In two days, he lied to Tucker Carlson and flipped his thing the second the donors called him and said, that's not what we want.
	And that's the problem.
	People have to understand the difference between what they're told and what they will ultimately get.
	And those are two very divergent things.
	Yeah, and look, you can't—and the other issue is that Donald Trump, in now his third campaign, he's got the largest donor base in history.
	And that doesn't come because of, oh, this is just personality politics.
	No, that's people out there that want to give five bucks, 10 bucks, 20 bucks.
	You see it every single day.
	You see it on True Social because they believe in the cause.
	They believe that, hey, maybe it's a problem having all these empty factories, you know, across the United States.
	Maybe it's a problem to have this trade deficit.
	Maybe it's a problem that we look weak on the foreign stage.
	Maybe it's a problem that the military has gone woke and we look totally inept and that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and you know I was there during all of that.
	I mean I have many
	You know, I was the head of the Intelligence Committee.
	I mean, there's so many things that we did wrong.
	And so your dad comes in and says, look, we're not going to do that stuff anymore.
	And people, it resonates with people.
	So you essentially have the elites that are backing a few just kamikaze candidates.
	I actually think that, you know, it's hard to know everything here, Don, but I think that the DeSantis campaign has really fell flat.
	Um, and I think now, at least from what I'm hearing, because I still talk to some of these insiders, they've basically left DeSantis and now they're trying to find another candidate.
	You know, because they just can't.
	That's what you see.
	You see that, you know, Doug Burgum from, you know, the governor of North Dakota is getting in, like I've campaigned with the guy and yet, like,
	I couldn't, if you would actually put a picture, I'd be like, Oh, I know that guy, but I have no idea who, you know, not exactly like a national stage type figure, right?
	Not someone you think of.
	And yet I think he sees that opening.
	And again, whether it's playing for VP or something else, they see that sort of collapse of the, the one that was anointed and he's taking on and he's making all these games and then all of a sudden, you know, not so much, but you know, maybe do that.
	I mean, you, you talked about all the places where,
	You know, the woke military, the insanity of this, the indoctrination of our children.
	You know, compare and contrast the Democrat and the Republican infrastructure right now, because with all of the things that are just going on that are insane, that aren't resonating with the American people, that just make absolutely no sense.
	How is it, though, still, that Republicans are consistently getting outspent?
	Why does it seem like
	Even when the Republicans are in power, the Democrats somehow still maintain control.
	They can have those things as like key aspects of their policy.
	You know, your child should be three and they can change their gender permanently mutilating your body and it's okay.
	Is it just the federal bureaucracy protecting them?
	Just the mainstream media?
	Because I don't think that resonates with anyone but the lunatic fringe of the left and yet
	They seem to get away with it without consequence.
	And frankly, they still have the machine to get some going.
	Yeah, I mean, one thing you have to remember, they have, you know, everybody's, you know, the Soros money.
	I mean, look, the Soros money is real.
	I mean, they don't hide from it.
	You know, he just, you know, handed off his empire to his son who brags about how political he is.
	So they have billionaires that are dedicated to Marxism.
	We're good to go.
	Um, it all comes down to blocking and tackling.
	And I guess, you know, the good part is, is that the number of states that are actually up for grabs is very, very small.
	So, you know, when you look at the, you know, the ballot harvesting, all of those things, it's not a large playing field that we have to go out and compete on.
	Look, I was in Washington last week.
	I talked to many of my former colleagues from Pennsylvania.
	I mean, look, they think that Donald Trump's doing very, very well in Pennsylvania.
	I'm not talking about the primary.
	I'm talking about for the general election.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, and he's only got to win either Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, Michigan.
	I mean, one of those, he's got to win.
	He doesn't have to win all three, but he's got to win one, along with Georgia and Arizona.
	So I just have to believe that no matter how much propaganda you push out there, look, you can't, if people, if the economy's suffering, you've got high gas prices and all of that, you can't hide from it.
	You now have, what, some two thirds of American people think that Biden is not up for the task.
	That can't be good.
	You've got the other.
	The other third are idiots.
	Come on.
	The other third are asleep, taking a nap.
	But look, I still believe, and I've said this very publicly, that I just don't think Biden's going to ultimately be their nominee.
	So what happens there?
	I mean, you see a lot of the stuff right now.
	You're from California.
	You see, you know, Gavin Newsom's doing the big push on, you know, getting involved in stuff.
	I mean, I'm not sure he's got the record to necessarily, you know, run on, you know, I don't know that California is the
	You know, sure, it's a beautiful state and has nice weather and, you know, incredible scenery.
	But like, I don't know if there's a lot of successes I'd look at for California to be like, hey, I want to California the rest of America.
	So what do you think's going on with that for 2024 on the Democrat side?
	Well, look, I think he's running a shadow campaign for president, without question.
	There's a bunch of others that are trying to probably figure it out.
	And then you have Obama, the Obama team.
	This broke last week, it didn't get much play, but he's secretly, privately meeting with other Democrats across the country, trying to figure out
	They don't.
	I'm basically reading the tea leaves here.
	But what it reads is they're trying to figure out what they're going to do when Biden falls.
	And he could fall on a number of different fronts, but it almost doesn't matter whether he has health issues or or his legal issues.
	I mean, it doesn't at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
	They're going to have to probably get rid of him.
	And then how are they going to do it?
	Obama is going to be the only one that can do it.
	And I think the telling sign is this.
	The day before Biden announced his run for re-election, Susan Rice exited out the back door.
	Yeah.
	That was a big one.
	But the interesting thing we'll be watching also, how does the Democratic Party, the party of
	Identity politics, meaning nothing matters.
	How do they skip over Kamala Harris, who I imagine they even imagine is as big a disaster as what we see?
	She was only in there, in my opinion, and probably everyone else is because of that.
	But how do they bypass Kamala Harris, whose turn it would be, based on their rules and everything that they do?
	For, you know, an older white male like Gavin Newsom.
	This will be interesting.
	We're going to see some really interesting stuff as that transpires.
	They have a hell of a mess on their hands.
	And remember, Kamala Harris was chosen by the Obama people.
	A lot of people forget this.
	Um, you know, she was the whole, all team Obama was supporting, um, her back in 2019.
	Uh, and then she flopped, right?
	She came out of the gate, went to Iowa and just sunk and sunk and sunk.
	Finally, she had to get out of the race because she was going to embarrass herself after like some a hundred million dollars, she was going to finish in 10th place.
	So.
	She got out.
	And then, you know, when they then resurrected Biden from the dead, they really did.
	I mean, he was not going to win.
	He had no chance.
	The Obama people said, OK, Joe, we got to put you up here.
	And everybody said, oh, who's going to be the nominee?
	I said from the beginning, it's Kamala Harris.
	So that's who's going to be the vice president.
	There's no question.
	Everybody said, why?
	Because it's Obama.
	So now you're exactly right, though.
	They don't know what to do because she's a disaster.
	And that's why I think you see these stories that are that are a few of them by the fake news that are, you know, have the insights.
	Why is Obama meeting with other people?
	Clearly, he's not going for Kamala Harris.
	And clearly, they know that that that Biden, you know, has a big problem.
	So I think there's there's going to be a lot of turmoil here, along with God only knows how many more indictments they're going to do against President Trump.
	I mean, I just think we're just in a in a very dangerous time, as you know, that you've got
	You know, Russia, we're on the verge of World War Three.
	I mean, these guys keep provoking a guy that clearly with Putin, somebody who I followed for many, many years, you know, doesn't always, has not been thinking straight in the last few years.
	And we don't know what the hell he's going to do.
	Yeah, you can only provoke a guy like that so much before you regret it.
	Yeah, I know it's scary times, but Devin, thanks so much for doing this.
	I really appreciate it.
	Guys, go check out Devin on Truth Social.
	See everything that's going on there.
	One of the few guys that really got it early.
	One of the few guys fighting for this.
	I'm actually, the connection that you made together right now as it relates to the, hey, the stuff they were accusing Trump of in the Steele dossier is actually probably based on Hunter Biden.
	That's actually a really big deal, I think.
	I'm sort of shocked I never thought of it.
	I guess I got that analogy, but like, yeah.
	In the world in which we function, that's clearly the most plausible thing imaginable, especially since it came from Hillary, and the target that they were initially going after was Joe.
	It's like, ah, we got all this stuff.
	Why don't we just recycle it, repurpose it, and do all that?
	That's kind of a big deal.
	So, guys, thanks for tuning in.
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