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March 9, 2023 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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Narrative Shattered: What The Media Still Doesn't Want You to Know About Jan 6th | TRIGGERED Ep. 14
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guys welcome to another episode of triggered I think given everything we've seen this week, this one's really fitting.
We've seen basically an entire narrative reversal of everything that we've been told about January 6th.
Simply because, well candidly because, Speaker McCarthy had the balls to...
Let the video out.
He gave it to Tucker Carlson who had people go through it and in a matter of days found some pretty game-changing narrative.
It's actually almost amazing.
It's hard to believe that the other side got away with it for so long.
The other side literally added sounds and breaking glass and, you know, riot noise that didn't actually happen in the video that they showed Congress to try to drive home this narrative and vilify Patriotic Americans.
They seemingly lied about the timing of people who they claimed had died at the hands of protesters that would fly in the face of all of that.
They seem to be totally fine with people like Ray Epps lying to them about his whereabouts based on the video evidence.
Why is it that certain people that seem like they were at least major instigators in all of this seem to be the people...
Let go free, right? Just like, why is it that we don't hear anything?
Doesn't even seem like they're making an effort to find the people that left bombs.
Remember, we were told about the pipe bombs outside the DNC and the RNC. I'm sure they don't care about the RNC, but you know, because it's the Democrats, I figured they'd be looking at the DNC. And yet...
Nothing. Like, literally nothing.
Not a peep.
It's almost like, hey, they got what they wanted out of the rest of January 6th.
That was like the backup plan.
Like, if there's nothing that they can turn into the insurrection, you know, then they'll talk about the bomber over at, you know, the DNC and the RNC. But, hmm.
I guess they got what they wanted from the insurrection, right?
They added a lot of video to make it sexy.
Media, big tech, everyone ran with it blind.
Therefore, that must have actually been what happened, even though it doesn't appear that way now.
So, honestly, say what you guys want, but I gotta give props to Kevin McCarthy for starting to release this stuff.
And eventually I want to see all of it for everyone, but, like, that we're getting this out is a big deal.
So tonight's show's gonna be really interesting for that.
We have Mickey. Mickey is Ashley Babbitt's mother.
Ashley Babbitt, the Air Force vet, patriotic American, gunned down in cold blood, unarmed, In what I call the least investigated police shooting in the history of police shootings anywhere, not just in the United States, but literally anywhere, magically, it disappears.
There's no talk about the officer who did this having...
Like, gun violations and mishandling violations on his record?
No, no. He's like a SEAL team commando, not like a careless schmuck, who, if you look at the video, which we will, would spell a very different story.
But no, he was made into a hero, not a murderer.
So we'll talk to Ashley Babbitt's mother.
We'll talk to Joseph McBride, an attorney who I've gotten to know over the last few months, who's representing numerous January 6th defendants.
And we'll talk about the living conditions that they face that would seem to be a violation of the Geneva Convention if they were terrorists.
But I guess it's okay if you're in a D.C. jail and the judges are partisan bureaucrats who are going to do whatever the media and the Democrats tell them.
I mean, it seems like everything is a show trial.
So we'll hear about exactly that experience.
The living conditions, the impossibility of getting a fair and just trial in the United States of America in the year 2023.
And we'll talk to Julie Kelly, one of the only reporters, if not perhaps the only reporter, who's called like BS since moment number one on all of these things.
So there's a lot to sort of break down here.
You know, it's something I've been pretty vocal about for quite some time.
It just felt wrong.
But for me... It's easier to notice these things.
Now, I guess after the last two, three years, we should all probably be much more skeptical of literally anything that we're told, right?
I mean, the conspiracy theorists are batting 1,000, the educated people and the experts are batting about zero, or maybe they're batting 1,002 in the sense that they lie to you, they get what they want, They get the win.
And then two years later, when it comes out, we say, see, I told you so.
Rather than actually doing anything about it, we just, you know, we try to dunk on them on social, and I'm guilty of that myself.
But it's not entirely accurate.
So what's really interesting is that, you know, Fox News broke the news about these videos, because they did it on Tucker Carlson, probably, you know, their most popular show.
But it felt like everyone else in the media, including other people on that network, just ignored it.
That felt really weird.
You'd think that after two years, if we were lied, especially given the sides and the political leanings of the people that were lied about and vilified and imprisoned, in my opinion, falsely, certainly for the vast majority of those people who were nonviolent offenders, that didn't seem to matter, but Maybe it's because the truth hurts.
Maybe the establishment wanted to see this happen because it's a way to hurt Trump and his supporters and another attempt to try to kill that movement where they can be kind of conservative, but not really.
We really want to be for the American working class, but not so much that we actually do something about China.
So... It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol thinks.
Oh wait, so you're telling me...
Okay, let's not forget, the Capitol Police report to the Speaker of the House.
They're not like another law enforcement agency.
It's different. So they report directly at that time to Nancy Pelosi.
So Mitch McConnell, the lead Republican in the Senate, wants you to believe the report that the leader of a partisan police agency, in my opinion, that reported directly to Nancy Pelosi.
You're to believe that.
Not the video.
You're to believe the report.
That seems to be totally refuted by the video.
That's what happened, not what you're seeing with your eyes.
Don't believe your lying eyes, folks.
Hmm. What else does that sound like?
I mean, honestly, with Republicans, like, Mitch McConnell, who needs Democrats?
They're literally doing the bidding of the other side.
They want to continue to vilify so many Americans who've been wronged by this absolute farce.
And when someone does it, they attack Tucker Carlson for showing the truth.
Maybe that's why we haven't seen the video for two years.
Because there's so few Republicans that have the guts to actually show the American public.
They say, you know what? Trump's a threat to the establishment and the way we do things.
We want guys like that out there.
We want Republicans in charge who answer to us, who are beholden to the billionaire class and the establishment.
I mean, can you believe this stuff?
I mean, it's insane!
No, no, no. Believe the report!
You mean the report that was, like, run on CNN? Just like, believe what they told you about COVID, and believe what they told you about Russia, Russia, Russia.
Believe everything they tell you, folks.
Do not believe what probably makes sense.
Do not believe what you see with your own eyes.
Do not believe the science.
Honestly, it's a fucking disgrace.
That we have Republicans like this representing us.
It's ridiculous. And I know someone's going to criticize me because Mitch McConnell fell down over the weekend or yesterday or whatever it is.
He'll be fine. He'll be back to doing a shitty job for Republicans soon.
We feel terrible for him.
We don't wish that on anyone, but give me a break.
This is what your ruling class thinks of you.
They would rather go with Nancy Pelosi's talking points than what you see on video.
And if there's even a discrepancy, let's make it really bad for those people.
Let's hold them in jail without due process.
Like a terrorist.
Frankly, these are the same people pushing...
To release the 9-11 bombers and those actual terrorists probably more aggressively than they would good American people who perhaps got themselves in a bad situation or were taking selfies and lied about.
Like Officer Brian Sitnik, who was apparently murdered, but the video that Tucker shows us doesn't seem like that.
He actually seemed really calm.
Watch what Mitt Romney has to say.
It's really sad to see Tucker Carlson go off the rails that bad.
The American people saw what happened on January 6th.
Oh really? So Tucker went off the rails by showing you video footage!
That flies in the face of what these liars have told us for years.
Honestly, I mean, it doesn't take the last six years for people to be skeptical of your political ruling class or politicians in general, but now Tucker's going off the rails.
So what exactly about Tucker's story went off the rails?
Tucker broke footage of Jason Chastely, who was, you know, the QAnon shaman, the guy, you know, in the Viking helmet, right?
You know, he was supposedly taking over our government without weapons.
It's amazing, folks, right?
If that guy could take over the government, we should stop worrying about China now, because it would take him about a millisecond to do so.
But the footage actually shows that the QAnon shaman was being escorted around by Capitol Police.
Here's CNN explaining how the non-violent Chansley deserves the same time as someone who punched a cop in the face.
Watch for yourself. This is CNN Breaking News.
We do have breaking news into CNN. One of the key figures in the Capitol insurrection, the so-called QAnon shaman, has been sentenced now in federal court.
Let's get back over to CNN's Whitney Wilde, who's been tracking all of this.
She's outside the courtroom in Washington.
Whitney, what are you hearing from the judge?
The judge has now sentenced Jacob Chansley, also known as the QAnon shaman, to 41 months in prison with 36 months of supervised release.
This is a remarkable case for a list of reasons.
He was the most notable figure throughout this insurrection.
He's the man who was walking through the Senate chambers with a bullhorn, with face paint, with fur.
He is not convicted of a violent crime.
So this is why this 41 months in prison is so significant.
Kate, the Department of Justice had asked for 51 months in prison, the judge obviously giving slightly less than that, but it is about comparable to what he, or exactly, rather exactly comparable to what he gave another man who was sentenced last week in his very same courtroom.
For a violent crime, for punching a police officer.
So here we have these two crimes.
One person affecting this insurrection by their leadership and by their actions and by their words.
And another person affecting it by an act of violence.
And in the judge's eyes, Judge Royce Lamberth, those two things are the same.
Those two things are the same.
No, they're not!
Unless you're a partisan hack.
Which, of course, probably every judge in Washington, D.C. is.
41 months, folks. Just so we understand, that's like three and a half years for a non-violent offense.
It looks on the video that I saw like he's been escorted around.
Why? He gets worse because he put on some face paint and a Viking helmet?
Like, seriously?
Like, that's how bad a clown show this is, right?
Some have gone as far to say that the QAnon shamans deserve to be shot.
For what? I don't know.
What exactly did he do?
It doesn't seem like a lot.
For three and a half years.
Now, if you're an actual violent offender, sure, you deserve to be punished.
We understand that.
But what happened to, like, the violent offenders from the Summer of Love?
We had 18 months of civil unrest in this country with looting, murder, arson, mayhem.
City blocks were taken over.
Government buildings were taken over.
I was told that that was an insurrection.
But apparently, if you're doing it in the name of social justice...
We're not sure why.
Just like stealing Gucci shoes from a Gucci store in the social justice, it's different.
Just like if you're gathering protesting for Antifa, it wasn't a super spreader event.
But if you went to a Trump rally, it was, folks.
This is the hypocrisy that we're dealing with.
So... As Tucker's reporting found, he went on a guided tour.
That's what he's getting 41 months for?
Like, 41 months.
Watch. Here's Tucker's clip.
Tape. The tapes show that Capitol Police never stopped Jacob Chansley.
They helped him. They acted as his tour guides.
Here's video of Chansley in the Senate chamber.
Capitol Police officers take him to multiple entrances and even try to open locked doors for him.
We counted at least nine officers who were within touching distance of unarmed Jacob Chansley.
Not one of them even tried to slow him down.
Chansley understood that Capitol Police were his allies.
Video shows him giving thanks for them in a prayer on the floor of the Senate.
Watch. What an injustice that this guy served any time, let alone 40 months.
What an injustice that he's still in prison.
His lawyer is telling people that he didn't even get access to the footage.
So again, props to Kevin McCarthy, the Speaker of the House, for now making the footage available to the attorneys of these people.
But think of how many people couldn't afford great attorneys.
And even if they could, weren't given access to exculpatory evidence.
Think about what a show trial this has been.
Like, this should make Mao blush.
Stalin would be embarrassed with the way that these people Have been treated.
These convictions should all be thrown out.
Because this isn't the way our legal system functions in the United States of America, unless we're that broken.
Which, honestly, if you watch this stuff, and you see what's going on, and you wonder how it took two years plus for this stuff to get out, it's absolutely disgusting.
Not only should the DOJ be ashamed of themselves, but so should the press, who were more than happy to run with the DNC talking points.
Now, we should be used to that.
But if there's an institution that's more broken than the mainstream media in America, I'd like to see it.
Because it probably doesn't exist.
And that's including Congress.
Look at former CNN anchor Chris Cuomo saying, there's absolutely no color of authority that allowed these people in the building.
I don't think the guy has much chance of escaping any culpability.
There's absolutely no color of authority that was invested in those people to allow him into the building.
He may have thought there was.
Fine. But that doesn't mean there was.
Well, really? I'm pretty sure I've watched video in the last few days of officers guiding him around like he's on a tour.
We're gonna pretend this guy's a violent offender?
That this guy was gonna overthrow the government?
That this guy was the leader of an unarmed insurrection?
Give me a break, folks.
Give me a break.
It's disgusting.
And the fake news politicized the legal system, took advantage of being in a partisan area to drive and bring forth a narrative of everything they've ever wanted, crapping on patriotic Americans everywhere.
A man is in prison for no good reason.
But again, folks, it gets worse than that.
And then we'll hear about that very shortly when we interview Ashley Babbitt's mother.
Again, the only person shot by the police on this day murdered, in my opinion, in cold blood by a guy with Let's just say less than stellar gun handling records who was then turned into a hero.
We're going to hear about those living conditions in a second as we go live with Ashley Babbitt's mom, Mickey, as we go live with Joe McBride, attorney for numerous J6 defendants, and Julie Kelly, again, one of the few people in media Who had the guts to call BS from moment number one.
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Ashley Babbitt's mother, Joe McBride, Julie Kelly.
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Guys, welcome to another episode of Triggered.
I think you guys are going to like this one.
I know my people want to know everything there is to know about the insanity that is January 6th and what's going on since then.
So we have some people that have been leaders in that fight.
We got Joe McBride, a lawyer, representing how many of the defendants, Joe?
About six privately, and I'm connected to about ten other cases.
Joe is also one of the lawyers that has actually been given the video footage of everything that went on.
The video footage that has been suppressed by the Democrats for two years.
And I imagine Joe for a reason.
Meaning if the narrative was as good as they claimed it was on CNN, we'd have seen a lot more of it.
That is correct, Don.
Only evil operates under the cover of darkness.
The truth will still come to light.
Thank you, Speaker McCarthy, for hooking us up.
Yeah, listen, I think that was a big deal.
It was one of the things. Kevin McCarthy was like my first actual guest on the podcast.
And it was funny. We got to talking so long.
But after that, he's like, yeah, I'm actually going to do that.
The Democrats were playing games, even letting him, the Speaker of the House, get the video.
But behind the scenes, we were talking about it.
So it's awesome to see him following through to make sure that the people representing these people, many of whom Just total non-violent offenders have been denied due process forever.
We also have Julie Kelly, journalist, who's been really the leader attacking this stuff publicly, calling out the insanity, being willing to go against, again, the media narrative.
You've been vilified, you've been put down, probably canceled in many respects.
And like so many of those who are willing to go to that edge, I think you've been at least vindicated in the eyes of truth and justice, although probably not within the mainstream media.
Well, thank you for having me on.
It's interesting. I have not gotten a lot of the backlash that I was expecting, because when you deal with facts and you deal with truth, and you're, I think, fighting for the right cause, which not just...
The Constitution and rule of law, but for innocent lives that are being destroyed, you know, it's not, I guess, you're not as easy of a target, I think.
So, but it wouldn't matter anyway, because I feel honored to be doing the work that I'm doing.
Well, I mean, you're doing yeoman's work that's, I mean, incredibly important.
Then we're going to have Mickey Witkoff, who's actually Ashley Babbitt's mother, just A terrible case.
Perhaps the only police involved shooting that's never even had a seemingly investigation.
They came with a rubber stamp conclusion.
A guy with numerous, or at least that I've read, Gun handling violations turned into a hero when, you know, someone like me who knows a little bit about it is looking at the video and saying, like, what are you talking about?
This is some of the most flagrant, just bad, let's call it bad policing, bad firearms handling, totally unnecessary from everything that we've seen, and yet...
He's been made a hero, instead of being prosecuted, as any other police officer in America would have been.
Because, again, because it fit the narrative.
So, we're going to have her on in a little bit.
But, you know, broader question.
Maybe we'll start with Joe.
What do Americans need to know about what's going on on the J6 aftermath to these people that maybe they don't even know yet?
America needs to know that there is a partisan witch hunt that is going on right now.
That if you are, in particular, a white Christian man or woman who supports Donald Trump or who supports the Republican Party, that you are the target of the FBI and the Department of Justice.
Don, this is the first time in the history of our wonderful country that the party who's currently in power is hunting down members of the opposition party for political dissidents.
This needs to stop. Power will soon change hands and we are at the precipice of falling into political tribalism if people don't come to their senses now.
So talk about, Julie, some of those examples.
You've spoken with so many of these people.
You've been reporting their stories.
I mean, what are some of the examples of that so people understand?
I mean, there are people that, I mean, I saw them, they're taking selfies.
Like, I'm like, they're inside the velvet ropes.
Like, they're not doing, like, as far as I'm aware, like, some of them probably thought they were just being tourists.
And you see the video now of the police.
Sure, come in. Then you hear the people, the police videos talking about it being a setup.
Right.
Like, you know, they knew and then you say, well yeah, my dad did ask, you know, Nancy Pelosi,
let's have National Guard just in case. Like, let's do these things. No, no, we don't want that.
Like, in what world was this not sort of a pre-planned example? I mean, I always talk about
you have the bomber, you know, at the RNC and the DNC. Like, like...
It's like they got what they wanted out of J6. We're not even going to talk about the bombers anymore.
That was almost like if they didn't get what they wanted in the other thing, they had another narrative to go to to make sure that no matter what happened, they got to the end result of what they wanted to vilify this group of Americans.
Well, it was interesting this week, Bret Baier interviewed Christopher Wray, and he was directly asked about the pipe bomb investigation, and Chris Wray tap-danced around it.
What's interesting to learn about the pipe bomber is not only did it prompt the first wave of evacuations, it enabled law enforcement to go to two different communication systems.
Now you know this as a defense attorney.
You've heard some of the communications.
They played some of it on January 6th.
We haven't heard the other channel.
So the question is what was happening on that other channel?
But also he was asked directly about the use of FBI informants, undercover assets, which we know is a fact.
And he still won't answer that question.
What was interesting this week, Don, is a Rasmussen poll that came out that showed 80% of Americans want all of the secret videos released to the public.
61%, including almost a majority of Democrats, think that federal agents were involved in provoking what happened on January 6th.
So, As all this evidence is being covered up, and as Joe talked about in a motion this week, DOJ just suddenly came up with this huge trove of discovery evidence, put it on its platform that's been hiding for two years.
That continues to raise questions in people's minds.
As it should, but the mainstream media is still not covering it.
They took the DNC talking points, just like, rubber stamp it, this is fact.
Whether it had anything to do with fact or not, that's what they're running with.
You're one of the few people talking about it.
Mainstream media, they may not like conservatives, but like, you'd think that this is a big story.
If this is going on, the origins of it, the cover up of it, when you're now seeing all the video, where were the journalists even, you know, if the case was so good, why weren't they clamoring for the Democrats to release the video?
They're actually screaming at Kevin McCarthy for releasing it.
I mean, who doesn't want transparency?
Because I was told that when Joe White, this would be the most transparent administration in American history, which is bullshit, just like, It was the most safe, secure election in American history, but also only a talking point, no actual evidence other than them.
We say it, therefore it must be, even if you have sort of first-time mass mail-in ballot.
I mean, by any reasonable standard, it would clearly not be the case.
But if we say it, it is therefore the gospel.
Mainstream media will take it and run with it.
Big tech will run with it. And if you say otherwise, you'll be censored, canceled, put down, oppressed.
So to the average person...
What they're seeing, if they're not willing to just sort of look at the last six years and say, okay, I don't believe anything anymore.
Like the conspiracy theorists are batting a thousand.
How do we stop that?
How do we continue to get it out and make sure that this happens?
Well, we have to be relentless.
We cannot give in. We cannot give up.
We can never surrender. They are betting on the fact that the American public will bend.
They are betting on the fact that defense attorneys, that journalists, that people in politics will give up and will say, hey, this just isn't worth it.
The fight is too much.
It's too long. The cost is too high.
But they have grossly underestimated the will of the American citizen to be free.
Don, the Constitution...
Well, but we've got to be careful because, you know, I'm going to have to disagree with that because I would have thought...
Three years ago that you're 100% right.
But we all lived through COVID. We all watched.
And we watched a huge portion of the country just say, you know what?
Govern me harder, Daddy.
You're right. Perhaps the scariest thing that I saw out of COVID was not the disease or what happened.
It was the sheepishness Of the American public, to just go along, to just trust me.
Now again, I have the benefit of having been on the wall, flying on the wall for six years, that Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, let's call it the second biggest target of the entire full force of the Democrat Party and their associates in big tech and mainstream media.
So maybe I get it, but Man, a lot of us, even people on our side sort of went along and were in fear and were like, you know, yes, if someone passes gas, I can still smell it, but the mask is saving me from my microvirus.
I'm like, I don't like, it doesn't check out.
And yet they still went along.
So, you know, how do we get through that?
I agree with your point, Don, and I think that your average, freedom-loving American citizen views government from a viewpoint of skepticism.
The founding fathers of this country said that government is a necessary evil.
It should be small, it should be limited, but power should ultimately rest with the people.
Now, these other people that you're talking about who look at the government as a god,
who look at the government as daddy, that's not the spirit of American exceptionalism
that has made this country great.
We have to depart from trusting in government, getting back to trusting in our citizenry
and trusting in God and trusting in the founding documents that made this country great.
How did you get involved in representing some of the J6 prisoners?
So I got a call in February of 2021.
I had a reputation back in New York for doing good criminal defense work.
Long story short, I became a lawyer because my brother Anthony was wrongfully convicted of a crime he did not commit.
I went to college and then law school in response to that travesty that hit my family.
So when Richard Barnett, who had his feet up on Speaker Pelosi's desk, came calling, I took the case on Asher Wednesday of 2021, got him out, and people said, hey, this guy's not so bad, and I sort of picked up steam going forward from that point on.
Julie, when did you get involved in sort of all of this, and what sort of put up your hackles to...
January 6th, 2021.
I thought it was the most absurd thing that I've ever seen.
It's like literally the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world.
I'm like, I don't understand. I feel like, I don't know, there's probably, not that I would condone any of this, but I was like, if you're really doing that, you're probably not showing up like that, right?
Well, I had a couple reactions.
One was, after the year of 2020, lockdowns, race riots, the stolen election, All unprosecuted, by the way, right?
Those are social justice warriors because, you know, nothing says looting a Gucci store like doing it in the name of social justice, right?
Because everyone needs sleds.
You know, that is equity somehow.
I don't know how, but that's what I'm told.
It was one of the most turbulent years in American history.
And so my thought was, if this is the worst that's happening, people climbing on scaffolding, breaking a few windows, the government is lucky that that's all that happened because of all of the trauma that was caused in 2020.
And then watching it, and I saw people who I found out later were Jacob Chansley.
He's on the Senate gallery.
And I tweeted out, I would pick him to run Congress than anybody else.
By the way, the guy in the Viking helmet would do a much better job running America than Joe Biden, in all fairness.
Assume he knows nothing about running the government.
He still couldn't do worse.
That's what I tweeted. I'm like, I'd pick that guy over.
I'll take my chances. I'll take my chances.
So I just didn't have the same reaction.
And I mean, we're talking overreaction by 95% of the right.
Influencer. The same thing that I saw in COVID. So anyway, it just didn't make sense to me, so I started following it.
But what really caught my eye was what the government started doing right away, and that was seeking pretrial detention, meaning denying bail for nonviolent.
Coy Griffin, the Cowboys for Trump guy, who didn't even go inside the building, was ordered, denied bail, ordered to pretrial detention.
So my first article was February 4th, 2021.
And it was called America's Political Prisoners.
Well, you wrote a book about it, right?
I did. Yes.
Thank you. Tell us about it.
Yes. So it really details the background leading up to January 6th, what happened on January 6th, and then the consequences of what the Department of Justice, DHS, FBI, Local law enforcement have been doing to these people.
Now almost 1,000 total criminal defendants with promises to bring that total to 2,000.
It's still going, meaning like they don't have them yet, but they're going to figure out someone else that was jaywalking.
They just arrested someone again yesterday.
Explain the conditions of how these people are being treated, Joe.
You're representing a bunch of them.
You've probably spent time with more or at least heard the stories.
Explain what they're going through.
The conditions of confinement are egregious.
They started at D.C. jail.
We call it D.C. Guantanamo Bay or the D.C. Gulag.
We held the jail accountable in court and he started shipping them off to what we call the Gulag system in Virginia and other places.
You have solitary confinement, which is captivity for more than 22 hours a day absent meaningful human contact.
And then you have what's described as prolonged solitary confinement, which is solitary for more than 15 days.
Under the Mandela rules, the international gold standard for how you treat prisoners, that is by definition torture.
Dick Durbin and everybody else who's a liberal in Congress has been, Elizabeth Warren, calling this torture for years.
But January 6th, some of them were held for six, nine months.
We'll make an exception to it, right? We'll make an exception.
We'll make an exception.
They're deplorables. And again, you would think...
As left-leaning as the media would be, that if you're actually torturing Americans...
Now, if we tortured a Fucking terrorist abroad.
People went to jail. That's right.
They used that to take down political people.
A guy that would...
You have people going to bat for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his treatment after taking down the World Trade Center.
That's right. But no one's willing to go to bat for these people that have been sitting in jail.
Many of them. Nonviolent offenders that have been treated by our own standards in an inhumane fashion.
That if we were a third world banana republic, we'd be like...
This is bullshit, and we're going to intervene.
You know, Don, no one's been charged with insurrection, but that term has been used against January 6th for the specific purpose of creating a sub-constitutional class of people.
You're an insurrectionist.
You're not a human. You're not even an American.
Therefore, we can torture you like a terrorist, and we can treat you like shit because the Constitution doesn't apply to you.
So you have solitaire, you have sort of just the general denial of due process, right?
I mean, how many of these people just haven't necessarily even been charged but have just been held and for how long?
Because that's sort of a big part in all of these things.
It's sort of that elimination of even due process.
And I'm not saying if someone did something violent, they've got to pay for it.
But I also see some of the sentencing that's being put out there.
And I'm like, guy got seven years for breaking a window?
I'm like, I don't know, it seems insane.
Right. It seems insane.
They could break a window at a store, cause a billion dollars worth of damage, and people weren't even charged, let alone egregiously.
That's right. The sentences are egregious.
The real villains here are the judges on the D.C. District Court.
I mean, Joe knows this better than everyone.
They just act as a rubber stamp for the department.
The Department of Justice couldn't get away with any of this, but for the complicity of the judges on the court.
So they are enabling this.
They're violating their oath of office, which is to protect the rights of a defendant, especially due process and the presumption of innocence.
Completely gone. I know a little bit about this because, let's just say, the nonsense they've thrown at my family or business in the Southern District of New York, they're like, hey, why not go after Trump?
We're going to fundraise off of it.
We're going to have either juries or judges that are 100% on our side.
There's no downside to persecuting your political enemies because you have a political climate that's so heavily weighted one way, there's literally no risk.
It's their fundraising campaign.
And they know they probably win anyway, even if it's nonsense.
And then you talk about what they actually won.
You're like, that was it? You mean they did that for six years?
It's like... And these people...
The cost.
I mean, I imagine...
It is expensive to litigate in D.C. District Court.
Correct. And in any federal court.
Most of these people who I represent, most of these men come from low-income, middle America-type situations.
They don't have a savings.
They live paycheck to paycheck.
Thank God for the American people who have given to our campaigns.
We have crowdfunded like 90% of all of our funding our cases because they can never afford it.
Where can people go to find that?
Because I know, you know, I saw the stuff on, you know, the usual suspects and they shut you down because you're helping.
An insurrectionist. Where can people go to know that their money is actually going to help those people?
So for my cases, you go to McBrideLawNYC.com, you look for the January 6th tab, and you can give to my clients there.
Otherwise, you look for the give-send-goes.
The give-send-goes that are out there.
Those are real. Because I know some of the other companies doing that sort of...
Let's call it charitable gifting.
Just cut these people off.
You could have $100,000 in the thing.
We're sending back the money, not even giving you the money there.
We're just canceling it. GoFundMe did that.
I definitely read that a couple times.
They did that to Richard Barnetti.
He raised $300,000 and he returned all the money back to the people and said, you're screwed on this.
Have a nice day. So Gifts and Go made their bones with Kyle Rittenhouse.
The world said, hey, don't let that guy raise money.
They said, we're principled.
We believe in this country.
We believe in God. We believe everybody should have a defense.
Therefore, we're going to stand by him, and they are the ones who are helping all January 6's raise money.
Thank God for them. God bless them.
What does the path to justice for these people look like?
And maybe there's not even at this point, because it's gone so far that they're so far past what would have been a reasonable punishment, even for the, let's call it the worst offenders two years later.
What does that look like, and is it even realistic?
You know, what I told people when they first started reaching out to me in 2021, because no one was covering it, they had nowhere to turn, they were abandoned by their families, their neighbors, their churches, everyone that they relied, their support system was completely gone.
And I would tell them, the truth is going to come out because I covered Russiagate also.
I knew that even though it would take time that this would come out, I said it won't take as long as Russiagate because what Russiagate didn't have was video.
What we have for January 6th is video.
If you had video of Christopher Steele and Glenn Simpson meeting with the oars, you know, if you had that video...
People would have to come to terms with the reality of it.
We didn't for that, right?
But we have video here.
We have body cam footage that shows police brutality.
We have surveillance video that shows what happened inside and outside.
And there are more documents that are coming out.
What's happening in the trials is the revelations about numerous FBI informants who were run into groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers months before January 6th.
So all of this is irrefutable evidence.
So Russiagate took a lot more time.
No one was held accountable, as you know better than anyone.
That brought us to the acceleration of the weaponization of DOJ. But the truth, I think, is going to come quicker, more impactful, and be even more shocking to the American people than even what we found out about Russiagate.
I'm hoping if anything comes out of this...
The overreach, the flagrant, meaning there's almost nothing you can do for the...
You can still fight for it now, but you can't remedy.
Right. Not much, but hopefully it forces a change in the system and the change perhaps the American people, the way they look at things, that their own people would be treated.
I talk about this a lot, sort of like, hey, if they can do it to a guy like me with Russia, Russia, Russia, like, who can't they do it to?
But more importantly, who won't they do it to?
I at least have the ability to fight back, whether it's financially.
Whether it's with a big platform, whether it's with friends in powerful places that can at least help level the playing field against rather insurmountable differences.
But for those people, we need to do a lot more.
What does it look like for you, Joe? Someone, a nonviolent offender that's been held in solitary confinement or on the brink of or in and out of for two years, What does justice look like for that person?
We have to continue to fight.
Right now, justice for them is meaningful representation.
It's knowing that people like you and people like Julie Kelly care.
It's knowing that people from the American public are praying and are giving from the little that they have to support these people.
It's knowing that lawyers who actually care are in court, fighting for you, taking the hits, taking the public criticism that comes along with it, dealing with judges and a government that hates them, standing up for you.
At some point, the dynamic will shift.
At some point, society and history will look back at this time, and it'll look at this time as a time where civil liberties were thrown out the window, and it'll say, who stood up?
Who are the people? Who can be counted among you who stood up during that time?
And it'll be the lawyers, and it'll be the people like you and Julie, and it'll be those guys who are currently rotting away in jail who will be the heroes and not the villains when this story is finished.
Well, with that, I think what we're going to do is we're going to bring on...
We're going to switch out, yes. Julie, thank you so much for being here.
Guys, go check out her book, January 6th, How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right, because that's what it was.
And I look forward to it. Your social game is great, so keep it up and we'll keep fighting.
Thanks so much, Julie. Okay, guys, so now we're back.
Julie Kelly had other stuff going on.
We wanted to talk a little bit further about January 6th and perhaps...
The biggest moment for me on all of that, watching that, was what happened to your daughter, Mickey.
This is Mickey Wyckoff. She's Ashley Babbitt's mother, the mother of the only person shot at January 6th and murdered, in my opinion, and probably anyone else who has a brain and has seen the video, in absolute insanity.
I would say the most uninvestigated police shooting In the history of these shootings.
Mickey, tell us a little bit about your story, what's going on since then, the trials and tribulations, because honestly, I can't even imagine how brutal that must be for you.
It is brutal. Today is day 785 without a proper investigation into the murder of my daughter, into the death of Roseanne Boylan, Kevin Griesen, and Benjamin Phillips, who are names that most American public doesn't know.
Roseanne Boylan was beat to death by Officer Leela Morris from the Metropolitan Police Office.
One of them actually, a doctor was actually administering aid, and that person was pulled off.
That was Ashley. There was a doctor administering aid to Ashley.
He was thrown down the hallway and has recently been charged.
But we do have up to a dozen men in jail behind trying to save Roseanne Boylan.
And the police were beating her to death.
And it's American citizens.
It's a human obligation to try to prevent murder.
And it doesn't matter if the perpetrator is wearing a uniform.
But instead of being charged criminally, these people have been...
Michael Byrd was put up at Andrews Air Force Base at the expense of the taxpayers' dollars and treated like a king.
Lila Morris was taken to the Super Bowl and promoted.
You know, Officer Bagshaw, who beat the shit out of Victoria White in the tunnel, he was promoted.
He was involved in an off-duty shooting of an American citizen afterwards and was not investigated for that.
So the D.C. cesspool is absolutely a cover-up of so many things.
You know, we have January 6th defendants sitting in jail being denied their constitutional rights that they fought for.
There are many, many, many veterans in there that fought for this country and had the absolute right to be there that day when the still sitting president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, called Americans to the Capitol and they came two million strong.
What we should be looking at is why the hell were they there?
We know why they were there, you know, because we know that election was...
I don't know if we can even say that on your show, but we know there were problems with the election.
That's what's nice about this show.
Unlike anywhere else, we're going to let you say what you want.
Well, all right, we all know why.
We understand. Right.
Trust me. Actually, you know what? We don't understand.
No. I hope nobody ever does.
I'm a father. I have five young kids, and I... I couldn't even imagine.
I mean, I do love that you're out and fighting.
Thank you. And trying to create a voice for your daughter, who's a veteran herself, who's been since vilified.
And again, while someone to me that looked like borderline incompetent with a firearm is treated as a great hero, like, you know, like he's on a SEAL team.
It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
But again, so few are willing to even have the conversation that it's just, well, that's what's there, so it must be fact.
And that's bullshit. It is bullshit.
And you know, Ashley was deployed four times.
She was an amazing, amazing woman.
An amazing patriot.
This country lost a great woman that day.
And we have jailed some of the best of us.
You know, when you think about the people that showed up in D.C. that day, those were the Americans that were willing to go stand up for you and for me and for Joe.
I wasn't there. But I think, you know, for every person that was there, 2 million strong, there were 10 people at home that felt like they should have been there.
Even in hindsight, even in hindsight, I would go knowing what happened.
But, you know, There's nothing I can...
Ashley Babbitt would tell you don't be sad for her, be brave for her.
So we do need to be brave for her and for everybody that's still suffering, for Roseanne's family and for Kevin and Benjamin and Officer Brian Signick, who we believe died as a result of neglect that day.
But, you know, we do need to take this country back one step at a time.
Be brave. Do what you can on a local level.
Call somebody, tell somebody, you know, whatever you feel like you could do as an American citizen.
We need to stand up and take this country back.
Yeah, 100%.
It's why I do this.
I promise you, it's a lot easier to be a real estate developer than to get crapped on by the left and called every name in the book.
And if I talk about things that are common sense, you're racist, you're homophobic, you're this, or somehow affecting climate change.
Because everything that's bad is climate change or racism.
Nothing else.
I know actually one of the members of my team, actually production team on this thing, working on a documentary called Due Process Denied.
Right. Which obviously has to do with your daughter and frankly a lot of the other January 6th people who have been treated in a way that I imagine no other American has ever been treated.
I imagine if the parties or the races were reversed in your daughter's shooting, people would be in jail for it, not...
Not canonized.
Absolutely. Not lifted up and made into a hero.
Absolutely. Despite, let's call it...
Gun handling infractions on their record.
Not only gun handling infractions, but he has a prior excessive use of force issue that was covered up.
When people come into that courtroom, they're charged by the day of the calendar, not their offenses.
And so we're not claiming everybody there that day was a Boy Scout.
We're claiming they deserve to be charged equitably and fairly and then be adjudicated as such.
You know, we sit in on the voir dire process and watch the jury pool and what they're selecting from.
These are 95 percent Biden voters.
They hate us.
A lot of them have been to anti-Trump rallies, and they still, the judge guides them along in the process, too.
They would gladly bastardize the law and the Constitution to achieve their political ends.
I mean, talk about that, Joe, because, again, you've probably seen more of it than anyone, and I imagine you and your friends have been exposed.
So Don, you know, when you think about January 6th, January 6th did not happen in the vacuum.
Everybody who showed up to the Capitol that day was well aware of the two prior years of protests in this country.
Cities were burnt down.
There was attacks on cops all over the place.
And there's a question. During that time, did the confines in what's acceptable political speech expand or contract?
Obviously, it expanded.
The permissible conduct, sometimes the occasional fracturing of a law for political purposes, expanded, obviously, when you had the vice president of the United States bailing people out in Minnesota.
I remember the riots in New York.
Well, this could actually be good to prevent COVID. I'm like, you mean mass gathering of maskless people is good under your guidance?
Well, for social justice, it's like science...
Biology, virology just stops being if it's for social justice, but only one way of social justice, to the left.
If it was to the right, that's a problem, and all of a sudden math gatherings are bad, and that's a super spreader event, and we've seen it all, right?
Don, Don, that is the truth.
There's no better example than people crossing the threshold of the Capitol building to peacefully protest inside and a woman who is an Air Force veteran who's standing there at the door.
There's violence happening around her.
She goes up into the door frame.
We don't know why she went up there.
We know she was small. We know she had no criminal record.
We know she was a good person. We know that she was unarmed.
And maybe she just wanted to talk to the people on the other side of that door and said, hey, you know, let's everybody just calm this down.
But what did they do? They executed her.
They shot her in cold blood for the whole world to see, and nothing has been done about it.
You know, when I think about Mickey, I think about the mother of Jesus.
Jesus was crucified.
Did his mother just sit around and do nothing about it?
No. She helped find a church.
She did not take his death lying down.
And Mickey is out here every day, rain, sleep, snow, and shine.
She's in those courtrooms. She's on that Freedom Corner.
And she is not going to give up because of what happened to her daughter.
And that's how you take something that is horrible and you make it beautiful and you make it good.
Thank you. I saw, Mickey, what they did to you, I guess, on the anniversary of your daughter's Murder.
I'll call it that because that's what I think it is.
I mean, they arrested you for protesting inaction essentially on anything in D.C. And they arrested me roughly.
And really my protest consisted of laying a rose around the Capitol.
And they had blocked the sidewalk off for us.
The only place to walk was in the road when we crossed.
So they blocked the sidewalk off.
You took your natural path.
And then it's jaywalking basically, right?
They'll arrest you for jaywalking.
Failure to obey and obstructing a roadway.
But the charges were never officially filed.
Yeah, but remember, if you're a leftist protesting climate change, you can obstruct entire highways, and it's totally fine.
And again, you can interrupt people from going to work, prevent doctors from getting in for surgeries.
No problem. Right.
You think there's equal justice under the law?
It was maybe three feet of a four-lane road, which they blocked off four lanes.
We would have been five minutes, you know, lay a rose and go, and they chose to block the street off for a half an hour off four lanes so they could, you know, arrest me.
Well, I saw it. They did the same thing.
It was all optics, but a couple weeks ago, around the State of the Union, you know, they put up the fence.
They're not even going to tune in to watch this imbecile give his State of the Union.
They're not showing up to do this.
Lauren Bopart said the best part of the speech was when it was over.
But they put up that show of force.
Make sure you know. That was okay.
We'll call the National Guard in for that.
When Trump requests it, we're just going to pretend that didn't happen.
Because to me, again, in my personal opinion, they wanted it to happen.
They wanted something to happen that they could weaponize against an entire class of people in this country.
It's entrapment. It's entrapment, old-school entrapment.
It's entrapment by a stop. But listen, when the President of the United States says, walk peacefully over to the Capitol and have your voices heard, and then people turn around and they look at Constitution and they look at Pennsylvania Avenue, and you have parade routes like the Giants and the Yankee Super Bowls, the inference is those routes are there for people to walk over.
It's literally designed for that purpose.
And did you arrest people for going?
Come on. So what is next?
What do you do now, Mickey?
I mean, you keep fighting.
There's no victory at this point, in my opinion, because we can't bring back your daughter.
But what would be your goal if you could accomplish something with everything that you're doing, fighting out there for these people now?
Well, we need an actual investigation into January 6th.
And I say justice for Ashley is justice for all because I believe my daughter is at the pinnacle of the crime of the century, which is a stolen election.
And I know that Ashley would be standing with all these men behind bars.
That's why I'm here. So I don't know what over will look like for me, but I guess I'll know when it happens.
But I just want to... You know, Ashley went down swinging, and I'm so proud to be her mother because she literally...
Left-hooked the man that broke the window before she went up into it.
She sure did. Yeah, well, that's what people don't understand.
Like, talk about that. You know, I had Marjorie Taylor Greene on, on the show a couple weeks ago, and, like, she was talking about, like, there's video of her actually pushing back someone that was probably acting a little bit more violent.
I think she actually swung at him.
She hit him. One of the protesters.
Who was getting overly aggressive.
And it makes so much sense now when you see half the cops high-fiving people, opening the door from them.
Now in the video that's coming out, I'm like, this wasn't going to be ever even a bashing of the cops.
And I think most of them knew that based on their general actions.
You don't open the door for someone or give them a high-five as they're walking by if you really think they're there to harm you.
And yet this officer acted differently.
Well, only the one.
And, you know, Ashley was well-versed in the use of force continuum.
If Michael Byrd would have given her a command, she would have complied.
But he didn't even identify himself, which is step one in the use of force continuum.
Identify yourself as a police officer.
He's behind a door in a broken...
I mean, it was like shot through a piece of broken glass.
Like, it wasn't even...
He didn't even identify himself as a person.
You know, but what we need to do, what I think that would be justice for Ashley, would just be to...
I don't want to Google my daughter and see the only insurrectionist to be shot on January 6th.
My daughter was not an insurrectionist.
She was an amazing patriot.
So for the world to know that would be part of my justice, part of it.
I think that's an important part, I hope.
Listen, Joe, in your fight, obviously representing these guys, you know, What can other people do?
Obviously you can donate, but are there ways for people to step in and help these guys?
Are there other lawyers like yourself who've sort of taken in some of these cases?
You're a busy guy, but how do we get these guys, try to get them the due process that, in my opinion, has been denied to them by their government?
Again, if I'm seeing nonviolent offenders that are in jail and hurry about even solitary confinement for a few hours, let alone a few years, It's a serious problem.
Again, in a third-world country, we would have people on their pulpits in Washington, D.C. yelling about people they've never seen, never heard of.
Because it's happening somewhere else.
And yet it's happening in our backyards.
Right. And if it can happen now, it can happen again.
And it's only a matter of time until they're coming down for you.
You saw, you know, the Christopher Wray.
Oh, practicing Catholics are domestic terrorists.
Concerned mothers of PTAs are...
They're all... Everyone's a domestic terrorist except the fucking domestic terrorists.
Right. That's right. That's a problem.
It is a problem. And until we collectively push back...
It's going to continue. So how do we get more people, A, aware?
Maybe hopefully this can make more people aware, but I imagine anyone watching me...
Might already be aware.
We're already all on the FBI list.
Congratulations, guys. You're in there with us.
Right. How do we get...
A resolution for these people.
How do we get them out of these jails so they can tell their stories and tell the American people themselves just how mistreated they have been?
So with regard to telling stories, you have documentaries like Due Process Denied that is being made.
It's a great documentary.
When does that drop? It drops sometime in the near future.
I don't know the exact date. It's funded by Patriot Freedom Project.
There are a lot of good organizations out there.
Okay, so also check out the Patriot Freedom Project.
That are helping people, helping families raise money, so on and so forth.
So you can look at those documentaries.
You can create awareness that way.
There are lots of lawyers now who are stepping up, who want to get into the fight.
Encourage these lawyers.
Encourage the members of your community to support them.
Support them in your faith-based organizations.
Support them at your places of work.
Do not be afraid to speak out in the free marketplace of ideas.
Stop being afraid.
Stand up for what is right.
If you do that, The ripple effect will be great.
If you continue to be afraid, if you continue to let them closet you, if you continue to let them put you in a psychological gulag, the war is lost.
Your freedom of thought and the words that come out of your mouth matter.
And that is how you support us.
They want you to be afraid. Of course they do.
Make no mistake, whether it was COVID, whether it was this, all of it's that power grab.
That's right. They want you, I mean, I've said it on this show almost every, like, we must become unafraid.
We only do that by sticking together.
That's right. Okay, again, they can take out my father.
I used it in my speech. They can take out the most powerful man in America if he's the only guy out there, because they channel all their power, power, and they can make it happen.
Imagine if you're just a regular citizen.
But if we all band together, that's a lot harder.
But, Joe, I want to talk about the January 6th committee, because it seems that was established, right, to protect the Capitol and security, but it became...
So much more bastardized than that, and just a furtherance of a witch hunt.
Like, we didn't get them in January with Russia, Russia, Russia, so let's make it that, when that wasn't necessarily the stated purpose of it.
Talk about that, both from what you saw from a perspective of these prisoners, but also just from a perspective of the way law actually works and the insanity of it.
Tell us what they didn't cover.
They didn't cover the truth.
The January 6th committee first and foremost was a sham committee.
And what we mean by that is that it was illegally formed and illegally constituted.
It did not have the requisite numbers of people from the opposition party to even legitimize.
Wait, you mean Liz Cheney's not a legitimate Republican?
Not anymore. Adam crying Kinzinger.
And he donated to Michael Byrd's Give and Go.
I'm sure he did. The object was to target former President Trump to hold him out as the poster child for the quote-unquote insurrection that happened that day.
They failed miserably in their goals, and they'll continue to fail miserably in that goal because it's just factually not true.
That is not what happened.
And they also went after people in Congress, people in the private industry, in the workplace, to accuse them Of being involved in something that actually never happened so as to get banks to disenfranchise them, to get employers to leave them, and to drain their bank accounts and to ruin their name in the marketplace.
And the primary purpose with regard to affecting the January 6th cases currently being prosecuted by the Department of Justice was to poison the jury pool.
If you watched that for months, if you're a D.C. resident, the combination of the January 6th committee and Joe Biden giving a speech where he tells the world that MAGA Republicans are an extremist threat to society 32 times.
You can't get a fair trial.
That's such an important point that's overlooked.
Maybe you're not watching this stuff in your hometown in Iowa.
But if you're a D.C. resident, and this is going on, and this is local news, all day long, you have a totally partisan committee saying these things as though it's the gospel, right?
You had Joe Biden say all these, you know, and Hillary and the Democrats, Trump's a traitor, he's working for Russia.
You hear it a thousand times.
Eventually, like, maybe there's something to it.
Now, in D.C., given the political leanings, it probably doesn't take all that much persuasion to get them to believe that, but...
I mean, I never even thought of it that way, but, I mean, it makes total sense that that entire thing could be designed to sort of...
It absolutely was....get the result that they wanted to...
They did it to Kyle Rittenhouse, right, when they were sending the media after the jury vans.
Like, that doesn't happen. But if you intimidate the jury, maybe you turn that one guy to make sure that, you know, the pedophile that beat him or tried to beat him or let him get shot, like, that's the victim, not...
And D.C. is the victim.
How can you get a fair jury pool out of everybody that was named the victim?
This actual city is named the victim.
Like when Victoria White came and she got in trouble for going to the Rayburn building and seeing her congressional members, it was because those were the people that she perpetrated her crime against.
Victoria White weighs about 100 pounds.
Nobody's scared of Victoria White.
And to say that, you know, those are the people that she perpetrated her crimes against, so are...
And the January 6th people are...
The people that judge them are also named as victims of January 6th.
So you cannot get a fair jury poll when you're calling the whole city victims.
You know what I mean? Well, I didn't even, like, again...
And I'm reasonably informed, right?
I mean, I kind of do this. So it's like I didn't even realize that, and I never even thought of that point.
So I think people have to understand that, you know, Joe, what...
What can they do now?
I mean, the committee is, I guess, kind of over.
I don't even know. We need a new one.
We need an actual investigation.
How do you get closure on even that?
Because yeah, now that you think about it, of course it was designed to weaponize a jury
pool of residents of D.C. to be able to get a result that you want, to be able to justify
bullshit.
But look, we got the conviction.
It's like, well, you got the conviction from someone.
There's people in D.C. that would put those people in prison just because they were Republican.
They didn't even have to show up to January 6th.
We're fine putting them in the gulags at this point.
Again, it sounds conspiratorial.
Someone will say, oh, you're crazy.
And another thing that goes on in those courtrooms is everybody has a right to an independent trial.
These men are being tried five and six people at a time with one jury.
And they have to do things like sort through 20,000 text messages and keep track of who said what.
They take some of the text messages out.
They add text messages and put them out of order.
So the guy that was totally a tourist, and maybe there's one violent guy in there, but four other people could...
Could be grouped and or found guilty for the same stuff because the jury's not going to take that.
I mean, we have juries to see that they're probably not giving everything the most thought.
No, because they can't. This is a rhetorical question and statement, but you and I are both New Yorkers, right?
And we were there when 9-11 happened.
If we were sent out, if those guys lived and they were being tried and we were sent out in 2002 to be on that jury, would we give them a fair trial?
Hell no. No way.
Not allowed to say that, but probably true.
Of course you wouldn't.
But again, I feel like there's more people batting for those that are still at Guantanamo Bay, trying to get them freedom, trying to make sure they don't have the death penalty.
They killed 3,000 Americans.
Yeah, January 6th was the biggest attack ever.
Yeah. Oh no, I've read it worse than Pearl Harbor and worse than 9-11.
And Civil War. And again, if you say that, you're not a serious person.
You're not a serious person, and yet you know the media is going to give you coverage.
You'll get invited on CNN. If you're an Adam Kinzinger, you can do that.
You take that stance. You push it really hard, and you'll get a paid job at CNN because you couldn't get elected to represent your people anymore.
Michael Fanon's a joke.
But, you know, American citizens need to know, this was the gun-toting populace of the United States of America that showed up that day in D.C. and nobody brought a gun.
You know, so it was the most poorly planned...
Yeah, no, there's people who really felt strongly about something and wanted to make their voice heard, which I think is a basic tenet of America and our First Amendment.
Yes. Which, under these administrations, under the new Democrat laws, under big tech, is on the table.
Like, it's negotiable for them.
Absolutely. And it's not for us, I don't think.
No way. And that's why it's so important to engage.
It's why we have to have these conversations.
It's why so many of us at home that sit and watch this may agree with us 100%, but like, man, they're not going to say anything at school meetings.
We need to all sort of be willing to get out of our comfort zone a little bit.
Whether it's run for office, and not even big office, like run for your school board.
So they can't indoctrinate your children so that we don't have to try to undo 20 years of programming, of bullshit.
We need to all get involved.
We've always taken this laissez-faire approach of, well, we're busy and we have jobs.
Well, the other side's great. Sit it out.
I got this. And, you know, people that have no intention of having children are going to be on school boards deciding what to do with your children and indoctrinating them and, you know.
Not allowed to use the word grooming them anymore, but whether it's grooming them for certain purposes or others, grooming them in the eyes of what they want.
You know, one person can make a difference.
And that's just, that's not a hyperbolic statement.
I'm not saying that to be nostalgic.
One person can make a difference.
And when you look at the left, right, and you look at communists, they are highly organized.
They are militaristic.
And the problem with our side of the aisle is people are not organized enough.
The infighting should stop.
The allegiances should be made according to who's best to run our country, who's best to run our local officials, our local officers, our school boards.
And we need to go to political war against an opposition incursion that is trying to eviscerate the spirit of freedom in this great country.
There is nothing they won't do.
I've experienced it. Nothing like what you have, Mickey.
Nothing like what you have, but I, you know, I was probably the second biggest target of the Russia-Russia era.
And that was, you know, for treason, a crime punishable by death.
Right. And I understand that I am not the upstanding man that Hunter Biden is.
You know, I... I am not the good American citizen that he is, but he's totally off limits.
He can take from China, Russia, this.
We're making trillion-dollar decisions in Ukraine right now, and maybe we're making those decisions because they have something that they're holding over the Bidens.
And our media won't even ask the question.
But I'm the terrible human being, so I get it to a smaller extent.
But again, if they can do it, what they did to your daughter, get away with it.
If they can do what they've done to us and get away with it, we have to wake up and understand just how far they're willing to take it.
And we have to be engaged.
We have to be involved. We can do that respectfully and peacefully, but we have to do it aggressively.
You know, a man I look up to very much often says that the game is rigged.
And you know what?
We should change the game.
Yeah. Or, you know, I talked about this in my speech at CPAC. It's, you know, hey, we want same-day elections with paper ballots and ID. That's great.
We can't get that until we win.
We can't get that until we win enough power in the state's legislatures, not just have a bunch of weak Republicans that are worried about being protested at their homes, worried about the social consequence that fold.
Like, we can get that, but we have to win first.
The only way we can actually win today is by playing the game on their turf.
They have the advantage. They have laid that battlefield.
They have weaponized COVID to do just that.
They have the big tech machine behind them.
They have mainstream media behind them.
They have trillion dollar industries behind them.
But I truly believe for the first time in maybe American history, the conservative side actually sort of has We're winning the battle of hearts and minds and logic and people are starting to see it.
They're just afraid to go against it.
So we need to become unafraid, as we said earlier.
We have to get together.
We have to be involved. We have to play the game on their terms till we win and then we can install rational policies that make sense for the future.
Amen, Don. Well, I just want to say before we go that I have faith in the American people because America's not a soil, it's a spirit.
And the people that founded this country are made of tough stuff, and I think that that'll shine through.
And, you know, the 14,000 hours of footage we weren't allowed to see, there's enough crowdsourced footage that American people have really risen to the occasion.
And I think that, you know, that we're not going to have it.
And also, just until they murdered my daughter, I didn't realize the Capitol Police are not actually a police force or a separate arm of Congress, and they don't answer to FOIA, they're not transparent.
And they have no external review system.
That doesn't shock me at all, unfortunately.
No, but I think that people should know that because I don't think as Americans, if we did know that, if more people knew that, we wouldn't put up with it.
I just don't think that's so anti-American.
Everybody has checks and balances except the Capitol Police, and they can behave however they want to.
That's not okay. 100%.
Thank you so much, Mickey. Now, Joe, you have the J6 footage, so I want you to get the hell off of this podcast and start watching that shit.
Get going.
You got it, brother. Let's get to the truth.
Let's get those people out, and let's get them to tell their story so America can finally see what actually happened, so we can actually get justice for those who need it.
You got it done. Thank you both.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
Appreciate you. Thank you, guys.
We appreciate you, and we love you.
Well, guys, I hope you got a lot out of that.
I think it was such an important conversation to have.
Again, it's just sort of shocking that even mainstream conservative media just not even covering it, as though it didn't happen.
When one of their own and one of the biggest guys out there was breaking it, it's still like...
It's still easier to go with the establishment take.
Truly disgusting. So really glad we had that conversation.
I'm going to follow up with Joe.
We'll probably have him on here.
Honestly, maybe just have him call in as we get more information, as we see some stuff happen.
I think if we get some people exonerated because of this video, it'll be a really big deal.
And honestly, I think that's the starting point to go after some of these people.
Legally, but aggressively, who did this and knowingly did this or knowingly withheld information or falsified it or anything.
I think that's so fundamental and so critical to what we're doing.
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