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Oct. 17, 2024 - David Icke
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Let the world burn? Or do something about it? - Jonathan Otto talks to Gareth Icke Tonight
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Hello and welcome to Gareth Ike tonight.
Man's inhumanity to man seems to know no bounds.
Just when you get to a point where you think we can't sink any lower as a species, then the floor falls out from beneath our feet yet again.
I thought that Israel killing over 300 children in Operation Cast Lead in 2009 was a real eye-opener as to what our Western government would openly and proudly fund, arm and support.
I thought that Israel killing over 500 children in Operation Protective Edge in 2014 was yet another moment of clarity that made it very clear that our governments are run by psychopaths with absolutely no consideration for human suffering.
There's no cause for regime change or sanctions like they've placed on Russia or on North Korea or as the UK has in recent days, Iran.
Sanctions placed on Tehran for a rocket attack that killed not one Israeli.
It became clear to me that It's kind of different when we're involved, isn't it?
And yet here we are when we stand with a current recorded death toll in Gaza at the hands of the Israeli military at 42,000 people, 11,000 of them children.
This death toll is nothing like the true numbers, however, as thousands upon thousands are still missing under the rubble of a now flattened prison enclave.
This has happened while the world watched on.
Our governments, with our tax dollars and pounds firmly in their blood-drenched palms, are helping arm, fund and publicly, and very proudly, supporting the mass murder of tens of thousands of men, women and children.
Our taxes are funding a genocide.
Our selected officials are aiding and abetting the mass slaughter and burning alive of human beings.
Some still attached to IV drips as the hospital burns around them, engulfing them in flames.
Entire families ripped to shreds.
Orphans created on an almost minute by minute basis.
And I'm supposed to sit here as a civilised, superior Westerner on my high horse of virtue and judge what kind of men These orphans are going to become.
I'm supposed to judge them for the hate that will fester within them.
But tell me this.
Should that orphan boy reach manhood with hate in his eyes?
Who is to blame for that?
Is it his religion?
Is it his ethnicity?
His genealogy?
Or is it those that murdered his family in front of his very eyes?
The mass murder of people using the excuse of a mass murder of people using the excuse of a mass murder of people.
The perpetual cycle of suffering rolls on and on, generation after generation.
Israel has been committing atrocities for decades and those atrocities have been ignored by the masses and justified because of the Holocaust of the Jewish people at the hands of the Nazis.
Israel is and will always be the victim in any of these scenarios.
That's the narrative.
Nothing's going to change that.
An 80-year-old genocide justifies another one in some people's eyes.
But that's changed.
What the state of Israel has done in front of the full glare of media, both social and legacy, since the horrors of October 7th has changed the dynamic.
There's no way of putting that little genie back in the bottle.
Israel's immediate reaction to October 7th was understandable to some people, although there were others that looked slightly beneath the veneer and could see that there was something else at play, and this attack by Hamas was clearly allowed to happen to achieve the public support for what was about to follow.
But they've gone too far and they've not even tried to hide the fact.
The victimhood status that has allowed the State of Israel to commit atrocities for decades has been fundamentally destroyed in the eyes of all but a handful of the morally bankrupt or financially invested.
Yes, Israel's committing a genocide.
Yes, Israel is burning innocent civilians to death as they lay connected to IV drips in hospital beds.
But they are also on live television and with the proud backing of the United States and Britain bringing about their own destruction in the arena of public opinion.
The mainstream media and political figures of all different coloured rosettes may well stand with Israel because they're on the AIPAC gravy train or they're on one of Mossad agent Epstein's blackmail VHS tapes, but that's not the case for the general public.
The public mind has always been driven by the perception of Israel being the victim, not the aggressor, and by the fear of being called an anti-Semite if you dare veer away from that pre-agreed public perception.
That's not the same anymore.
The accusations of anti-Semitism don't wash when you've got 11,000 children lying dead in the ground.
Sorry.
The fear of speaking up and calling out the genocide for what it is has disappeared in all but a few people now.
And why should there have been any fear anyway?
I call out Chairman Starmer and the UK government every single day, multiple times a day, publicly.
I've marched against wars in Iraq and I've never once been accused of being anti-British.
Why not?
What's the difference?
If a government or military, no matter where it is, and no matter what bearded man on a cloud that it claims to receive its instructions from, commits an act of despicable evil, whether that be blowing up a school, burning people alive in a hospital, or freezing elderly pensioners to death, it should be called out for it.
No caveats need be applied when it comes to speaking up against evil deeds.
Because if you remain neutral in situations of injustice, you've chosen the side of the oppressor.
And if that means getting called names on social media by a lad with a picture of a dog in his profile picture, then so be it.
Our next guest joins us from the US.
Jonathan Otto is an investigative journalist, filmmaker and humanitarian historian.
He spent his younger years working with an organisation called World Vision.
He travelled on missions to Africa as well as visiting schools to try and alert people to the poverty and hunger that was so rife across the world.
This work won him the award of Youth Australian Citizen of the Year in 2014.
Jonathan, thank you so much for joining us.
You started your humanitarian work at such a young age.
How did that come about?
Because while most people are sort of playing video games or kicking football around, you're focused on people's suffering.
Well, I appreciate you asking and most importantly, caring about the people that often have no voice or an ability to voice what's going on for them to the world.
So when I was seven or eight years old, my mom saw me weeping, crying, because I'd seen a World Vision commercial.
And 10 years later, I started working for that company or organization.
It was this feeling of desperation and the fact that there was this little voice that came, which was the narration of the commercial, which said, this child is going without food and they're starving.
And I saw an emaciated body as a child, and I'd never seen that before.
And then the voice said, and you can do something about it.
And I actually believed it.
And I felt that if If people were suffering in the world and I didn't live in a way that had anything to do with helping that problem, that I don't know.
Life would have no meaning or that life wasn't fun anymore.
There was nothing here for me.
Either I'd do something or I would die inside because how could I just watch this happen and let the world burn while I just lived my normal life?
That's what motivated me early on.
That's why by the time I was 17, I'd become an ambassador, traveled to Tanzania with World Vision.
It's easy to forget as well, Gareth.
It's easy to kind of see these things and then just come back to your normal life because you've got your own problems in life.
But I just haven't been able to forget because it stays in your head.
And so that's the reason why we're still doing a lot of work in Turkana, in northern Kenya and other areas around the world.
I think for me, you know, just seeing some of the horrors from around the world, whether it be on social media or on the news or whatever, that sticks for me.
So for you to see stuff firsthand, I can only imagine just, you know, of course that's not going to leave you.
How does the world compare now?
Do you think, to the one that you witnessed firsthand a decade ago, if I think back to my first experience of famine, it was Ethiopia in the late 80s.
I was in primary school.
We actually wrote letters to President Gorbachev to tell him to stop selling arms to Ethiopian rebels and stuff, to try and make a difference as a kid as well.
It was like, you know, not that that made it...
Not that that made any difference, but at the time when you're a kid, you want to do something.
So I remember that, and I remember the same, those images of kids and it just being like, wow.
What you've seen firsthand and then what you see now in the world, have we got any better at all?
It's like got better and worse.
So it's good and bad news because there is a lot of Activities happening.
There's a lot of awareness on certain issues.
Human trafficking.
I'm meeting with a group.
Not next week.
Yeah, next week.
Including Tim Tebow with the Tebow Foundation.
All the work that they're doing anti-traffic, anti-human trafficking.
Using AI to detect where children are.
So you can see that's an example of how things have gotten better.
In the sense that here are all these brilliant people that are world-class.
We've got...
Leading Google AI experts in the room, head of the U.S. marshal in the room, a very small group, and we're strategizing how to, and I can't disclose all the details, but then you see all these brilliant minds coming with solutions that are actually working, that are leading to arrests that just were more that just happened over the last couple of weeks, more rescues of children.
And then on the other side, unfortunately, because of, you know, Basically, human trafficking is growing at about 20% a year.
That is still happening.
It's getting worse and worse and worse.
And so we need to become better.
And all of us need to put our heads, our resources together to solve these problems.
And it starts with exactly what you're doing, Gareth, caring and knowing and having the discourse because you can't do anything if you don't know anything.
So just start with knowing more and you will then start working out the things that you can do.
I think a lot of it is, I think you're right completely, a lot of it is knowledge because you have conversations with people about the number of children that go missing in the United Kingdom.
I mean, in America, it's off the charts.
And people look at you like, that guy must have added like five zeros.
It's like, no, no, it's so rife and it's absolutely insane.
And where did half these kids end up?
God only knows.
Why do you believe that such deprivation in terms of the food and starvation and also this child trafficking has been allowed to go on for so long without people stepping in to do something about it?
With the starvation, I'm thinking, mate, this world is abundant and you've got people with no food.
Yeah, so true.
Well, I think that...
It's simply the same premise of where we came at this from, which is the fact that not enough people care.
And it doesn't seem like a big deal just to not really care and just have your own important life.
But then you think about it and you start to understand economics and you realize that there were countries that needed to be poor in order for other countries to become rich in a certain sense, in the sense that cheap labor and the exploitation of resources and Trickery that came down to debt, to put these countries into debt.
These different loans were made out in the 70s and various time periods.
And what had happened was they tricked into this.
And then what that meant was that they would then be in this debt mechanism.
It created great advantage for the Western countries like the United States and Australia and European countries all around the world.
But the issue was that it would cause great suffering because it would create a massive imbalance.
Just people not...
Just this blatant consumerism that has no regard for where this came from.
There are things like that that matter that we need to think about, we need to be conscious of.
To me, that's the reason really why it persists.
Yes, the elites have made all different decisions, but the problem is when you agree With it, in your heart and in your actions, then you can't blame the elites.
You have to look at your own actions and say, well, what am I actually doing?
Everything that I'm doing is subtly exploiting these people around the world that I don't know, and I'm just willing to make these passive decisions.
And then there's nothing that I'm actively doing that's making a difference.
Let's try to make that balance a little more in favor of making a difference.
It's hard sometimes as well.
How do I know which products are which?
But that's the thing where we need to put pressure on the companies as well.
And that's part of the reason why we've got these groups that are helping to detect where trafficking is happening in the supply chain and then The society putting pressure on the companies to make sure that these practices aren't happening so it's not so confusing for us.
So we've got to kind of also be mindful of the fact that it's not always easy to know what choices to make.
I think a lot of it comes down to repercussions as well.
If you run a company and you think we're using slave labour or we're using child labour or whatever, now if this gets out that we're doing this, like we're in big trouble on the high street financially, we're going to take a serious hit, then if you know that, because a lot of these people just care about the bottom line, if they know that there's going to be repercussions, then, well, no, I won't.
I won't do that because it's not worth it because if we do, we're finished.
Whereas I think a lot of these families...
I like that.
It's kind of common knowledge, really.
At least it was when I was a kid that Nike trainers were made in a sweatshop.
Cool trainers.
No one cared.
Not really.
It's bad, isn't it?
Yeah, it is bad.
They look good, don't they?
And I think once you need to get away from that, I've actually...
We all sound like a hippie, but that's fine.
We are one human family.
And if a child is suffering in another country, then that child is in some way a part of you as well, mate.
So true.
Once that happens, I think that makes a difference.
But in terms of, obviously, starvation, poverty, all of this is huge.
Another thing which is massive in the world right now that gets overlooked a lot is health.
People are horrendously unhealthy, both physically and mentally.
Cancer, for one, is...
I mean, I remember not that long ago, I'm not that old, even though I feel it.
When I was a kid, cancer, it was relatively rare.
You know, so-and-so's got cancer.
Oh, my God, that's horrendous.
Whereas now, it's everywhere.
It feels like almost everyone's got that.
Now, you're doing work to fight back and counteract that as well, aren't you?
Yeah, absolutely.
No, thanks for asking, Gareth.
And I think that us giving solutions to people is so critical.
Ten years ago, I was working as a producer with The Truth About Cancer, and so that became the most well-known holistic cancer series, tens of millions of views.
It became passed around as the resource, and it's been an amazing resource.
And as time has gone on, then more and more has been uncovered as to solutions that are being withheld from people.
One example of that would be chlorine dioxide solution.
This was one where Mark Grennan and his three sons all went and did jail time for getting this out to the public.
But if you look at the data on it, it is so...
It's effective because of the ability for chlorine dioxide to deliver oxygen to your body.
In fact, on a basic protocol on chlorine dioxide, you deliver 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body.
And that has a tremendous effect on helping to combat and to kill cancer cells, mature unhealthy cells that are known as cancer stem cells, The success rates out of, for example, the clinic in Guadalajara, Mexico, the Andreas Kalka Foundation, they're reporting 60-70% remission rates on cancer compared to 3% from standard oncology.
And this is an at-home protocol that's free.
And so that's an example of something that people should know about.
Another example is red light therapy.
Gareth, you've got Studies that came out, like here's a pilot study that's on PubMed, you can look this up on lymphoma, and it was in 2006.
It only had three participants in it, but here's the result.
All three patients went into remission using red light therapy within a week period of time, and a maximum of two sessions being used.
And it's something that if you didn't have a study on PubMed that backed it, it would sound absurd.
But they did that.
And another example would be the breast cancer study where they tested four different wavelengths of red light therapy for breast cancer.
And it was triple negative and non-triple negative breast cancer.
And it was the wavelength and only the wavelength of 660 nanometers that was able to drop the breast tumor proliferation by 40% in 24 hours.
Wow.
This is something people need to know about.
And I'm just here, I mean, not that I'm the oracle or whatever, but I like to think I look at stuff and I hear bits more than what you hear in the mainstream media.
I try and look beyond.
But that information you've just shared is completely new to me.
Wow.
How does red light therapy work then?
Yeah, I'm glad you're asking because that mechanism, so it's referred to as photobiomodulation, photolight, bio-life modulation to change something, changing something through the process of light.
Very interesting when you read the Bible, Genesis 1, let there be light, light preceding all things.
And you actually, without you, probably most people realizing you're a very deeply photonic being.
So much of you is light-based and influenced by and changed by light.
It's about fueling the powerhouse of the cells, which is the mitochondria.
The cells actually need light in order to survive and thrive.
Every animal, you'll see them needing the light.
If we block the sun, then we'd all die.
And it's because of the absence of all the information that comes through the frequencies in the light.
And what it's doing as well is it's creating, for example, for disease, when you put the light into your body, it creates something called reactive oxygen species.
And that's actually what's needed in the same way I was talking about chlorine dioxide, is to counter disease through oxygenation.
So think about this.
This really makes it easy for people.
How long could you live without food?
You'd say probably a few months.
How long could you live without water?
Probably a few days.
And then how long could you live without oxygen?
A few minutes, if that.
Maybe a minute for some people.
And so oxygen becomes the critical aspect that your body is deprived of when you're in a state of disease.
And so then through light, you're able to oxygenate your body.
So that's just one of the major aspects.
And it's helping to mature cells.
So just think about the fact that If you look at stem cell regeneration, you'd say, okay, very expensive therapy.
Most people can't afford it with stem cell therapy.
Then you'd say, well, what if I could do something that would help the stem cells I already have in my body mature into normal, healthy cells?
And red light will do that.
And so inexpensively for a couple of hundred dollars, for example, as low as that, you could put a belt around your body and you could be then taking your back out of pain because you're causing your stem cells to regenerate in those areas.
And because they need light, they need the basic building block for how they thrive.
There was a study out at Birmingham University and it showed just one minute of red light exposure over five days increased cell viability by 45%.
And this was showing specifically that it was neuroprotective and helped in spinal cord injury repair and recovery and regeneration.
So, even just such a minimal exposure was doing this, and this was a Birmingham University study.
So, the mechanism is very robust, and it's been, actually, it was a Nobel Prize winner, Finsten, back at the late 1900s, and then John Harvey Kellogg, and then later, Dr.
André Mester, a Hungarian physician in 1967.
This was all the progression of the The information in regard to light therapy and red light therapy by the 2000s.
Now we've got thousands of studies.
You could basically put in any disease and red light therapy into Google and you'll get uncensored information on government websites that is so incredibly protective and regenerative to put practically almost every main category of disease in reverse.
So, fun facts.
When you say like a couple of hundred dollars, Is that a couple hundred dollars for, say, a treatment, or is that to get something that you can use on a regular basis?
Yeah, the second one and the first one.
So you could go to treatment centers and pay.
It's typically, if you do a search on that, between $80 to $200 per treatment.
And because you need the therapy basically every day or every second day to get the best results, then...
Why would you do that when you could get a treatment as low as that?
And that's a belt.
And so I mentioned some cancer studies and there's something called irradiance, which is the amount of power delivered into the body, the amount of milliwatts per centimeter squared delivered into the body.
And so I would say that the belts, maybe you couldn't compare them necessarily and say, okay, I'm going to expect the exact same results from this major cancer study with this belt.
But you could with a full body panel.
And so that's more in the range of more like $1,400, but still within range for most people.
And like a lot of the companies, like even with the company, my company, there's payment plans and things like that.
So it would cost a lot less because you could spend it out over months.
So you'd be spending a lot less than you would by going to a clinic monthly, but then you own the device.
And if you do the math on it as well, like a single supplement is going to cost somebody like maybe $30 a bottle and over a year, that's going to cost them close to $400.
And then times that by 10 because hopefully you expect to live more than 10 years.
So that would be $4,000.
And when you have a device, you have them for life because they're lifetime devices.
And that's This is where it'll actually save everyone money and do all these different functions to help be preventative against a lot of the things people fear the most.
And I see people get wiped out by, it's the most devastating news, and they're literally with cancer diagnoses.
And this to me gives us a great opportunity to get ahead of all that and to not waste our money.
And that's what I think is powerful about that, Gareth.
Yeah.
Well, like I said, cancer is everywhere.
I can't think of a family that I know that hasn't been affected by it in one way or another.
So where can people get these if they want to do that?
Because I'm thinking as well, you know, cancer is a devastating disease.
It's also an amazing industry for people to make a shed load of money within big pharma.
Have you felt any pushback against you for that, for what you're doing?
Oh yeah.
Yeah, no, exactly.
And yes.
And so there's, there's always those things that where I had to talk to my wife, I got a wife and two children, a five and three year old.
And so I always have to talk to her about everything I'm doing because, Hey, I'm, I'm kind of roping you in on this.
Go back 10 years ago when I was working on The Truth About Cancer.
There were people that I was interviewing that did go missing or die under very mysterious circumstances.
Some of which were...
You could say, okay, yeah, that could have been just a pre-existing condition.
It could have been a natural cause.
And then others were...
Well, this person literally warned us and they kept telling us that they do not believe these things and they were getting broken into and they were having threats and all these types of things.
And so, yeah, in that sense, that kind of thing can be frightening.
But back to the other point where...
I just don't take life for granted.
I choose not to live in fear.
I think if you look at the Dark Ages and how Christians had to act during the Dark Ages and how they chose to hold their faith no matter what.
I just don't believe in living in fear, but there are certainly things to be concerned of.
I just don't focus on the darkness.
No, no, I get that.
I'm the same, mate.
I don't believe in living in fear.
I just, you know, I think it's being aware of it, isn't it?
If there's a threat there, especially if you've got kids, your kids are very similar ages to my own.
That becomes different then.
I think for me, personally, you know...
I'll live on a farm on my own somewhere in the Highlands of Scotland.
I'm not bothered.
But when you've got young kids, it's a different thing.
But your wife is clearly on board with what you're doing because it's trying to help people.
It's trying to make a big difference to the world.
It's bigger than us, isn't it, really?
This whole thing is bigger than us.
So where can people find you, Jonathan?
Absolutely.
And to answer your other question and that question, so with where to find these devices, right?
So myredlight.com is where people can get the devices that we're offering.
And what we did as well, we put a different spectrum.
So from 480, the 660 that I mentioned, 630, the near-infrared, which is 810, 850.
And then into the 900s and then even 1060.
And so there's really not any devices on the market that are able to cover all the wavelengths that are verified in the studies.
Because you'll do the research and you look up, okay, well, I've got tinnitus.
And then you'll see, okay, well, tinnitus is the 810 and the 850 nanometer wavelength because it's, you know, partly neurological.
And so you need near infrared to penetrate through the bone and into the, through the epidermis as an example.
So at 480, somebody is needing neonatal care for a baby in the womb, which is very, very powerful for that, or scar tissue injury repair, or if you need or if you need acne or bacteria on the skin.
So 480 is profoundly good for that.
630 was the lymphoma study was specifically on 630.
And that nanometers is, if you had to measure that in millimeters, it would be 6.3 millimeters compared to 630 nanometers.
So it's the depth of penetration.
And somebody would think the depth of penetration is always, you know, the bigger the better.
But it's actually, there's certain information that it needs to only target there.
It's like an arrow is hitting a bullseye.
And so what we did with our devices, we just made sure that we're hitting all these critical wavelengths that were the most important to set off all the processes that are needed in those regions of the body so that people could be preventative.
Mammograms are causing cancer.
So thermography is certainly something people couldn't do to screen breast as an example, but then We shouldn't just be in a state where we're doing therapies to check when we have disease versus do things to prevent disease in the first place.
And so the same study that shows that it dropped proliferation by 40% if you had the tumors, wouldn't that tell you that it could be preventative if you use your logic and your reasoning?
And so the same goes for all the other conditions.
Wouldn't you want to Prevent tinnitus before it happened, or wouldn't you want to prevent Parkinson's and dementia?
Because red light therapy degrades formaldehyde in the brain, which is linked to Alzheimer's.
It's just one example.
Yeah, so people can get these devices there at myredlight.com.
And we want to do something as well special for your group, Gareth, where you can use the coupon code ICONIC, which is with the K-I-K-O-N-I-C, ICONIC. And that will give you an additional 10%.
So we've got really great discounts and we're giving away a lot of different free devices there on the page.
And so you can add that code and that will allow you to drop an additional 10% off all the other gifts and bonuses and discounts.
So we've got great supplements there.
If you read the studies specifically, it will show that they combine these with either a form of supplementation or drugs.
And that's called photoimmunotherapy, photodynamic therapy.
Or there's a couple other variations, but the photodynamic therapy is very effective because you're adding the benefits of having what's called a photosensitizer or a photoabsorber, which is arguably the best form or the one that's most accessible to everyone are the natural plant-based supplementation ways to do it.
And then what you're doing is you're enhancing the absorption of that light in your body, and it becomes more...
More protective, more preventative, let's say against cancer, or more aggressive in a healthy and gentle way in its treatment against cancer by using these substances.
Curcumin is one.
Methylene blue is another.
So you've got a lot of different examples.
But we gave as well a bunch of free supplements to go with the device as a giveaway that people can get.
And a lot of our training resources that people have been using over the years The last decade, we've given away a lot of our best information there.
Because we want people to know all the therapies that they can do.
Red light therapy is one of the best things you can do, but it's not the only thing you can do.
And I just want people to have all of that to get ahead of cancer, to give it to their loved ones.
Everyone's got a loved one dying of cancer or battling cancer.
So we need to be a beacon of light.
And when you have a device, you can get your whole family involved and you can get other people on the device as well.
That's fantastic, mate.
Jonathan, thank you so much for joining us.
I'm going to get on your website and have a look because my back is my main problem.
My back and my shoulder, you know, I'm just like, I'm in pain a hell of a lot of time and I use CBD to manage it and it helps.
But like you just said, I want to always just be managing stuff.
I'd quite like it to go away, ideally.
I would be shocked.
You would be probably the first person I've seen that didn't get a 180 results on that and were able to turn that upside down.
It's working with spinal cord injury repair.
Back pain is arguably very easy.
It's the number one reason people go to doctors, but it's really very much a solvable problem that people just need to know that there's protocols for.
Red light therapy being such a great one.
You could be using either a belt on the shoulder and the back or getting in front of a full body panel and Standing naked behind in front of it.
Like think Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
And then in light, which is just interesting to me that things keep pointing us back to this.
Sun is bad.
Let's run away from it.
Turns out, know that if you resemble the sun and then you're naked in front of the sun, grounded, Adam and Eve in the garden, eating the plants from the trees, all of these therapies then go together.
But then you could put that in remission, be three inches away from the device, ideally three to six inches, but nice and close, get that penetration deep and you could turn that Gluten-free diet, getting off the inflammatory foods and then taking some of these anti-inflammatory substances that are also photoactive, photosensitive, like curcumin, just before you get in front of the device.
All those things are really, really powerful.
That sounds great.
Great.
Looking forward to being pain-free.
Jonathan, thank you so much, mate.
I'd love to see you again in the future.
Oh, and the chlorine dioxide, Gareth.
Awesome, man.
And the chlorine dioxide, sorry.
If you're doing that as well, regularly, that will also help in taking away all kind of pain for you as well.
Anyway, sorry to catch up.
No, that's great.
Thanks a lot, mate.
Cheers.
God bless you, Gareth.
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