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Sept. 23, 2024 - David Icke
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The Next Stage Of Human Awareness - David Iclke Talks To The Inspired Channel
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you Because the body is a biological computer and running through it is a life program for that particular life.
And if you do not override that program with consciousness, which you can, you can change it, make different decisions that are conscious decisions rather than program decisions.
You are basically being run by the game throughout your life.
You know, for me, there's two types of synchronicity.
Thank you so much for tuning in to another Inspired Conversation.
This is one of the most exciting conversations of the year for us, as we bring back someone you all know, someone we've all been hearing, listening to, reading his books, and who has expanded our awareness so much.
I'm talking about David Icke, a true trailblazer for the Awakening Movement, the author of 20 plus groundbreaking books.
And I could do this long introduction, but you all know his work.
Let's go into what he is talking about today, what is most important and how we can expand even further beyond the current reality.
Please welcome with me David Icke.
So good to see you, sir.
Thanks for joining us again today.
Thank you, Matt.
Always a pleasure to talk to you.
Oh, the pleasure is all mine.
And David, I've been reading and I'm in the final stages of The Reveal.
This is not something you want to rush through.
This is a monumental book, monumental work, as deep as I've never seen it go anywhere before.
Incredible book.
Congratulations on that.
And thank you so much for writing it.
It's absolutely amazing.
Well, thanks.
Yeah, it's part of a trilogy, of course, with The Trap, The Dream and then The Reveal.
And, you know, I just follow where intuition takes me.
And where I've got, and we'll get into it as we go along, it's very deep in the rabbit hole, where I've got has come from a simple philosophy that whatever we know, or think we know, at any point, there's always more to know.
And that means that your awakening continues it's not you don't just awake no one in this reality is awake including me we are awakening to more and more awareness and so if you think I've got it this is this is this is it then you're just confirming you haven't because you know as Socrates said in ancient Greece or is quoted as saying
To know is to know you know nothing.
That is the true knowledge.
Because there's always more to know.
And I think when you see the ludicrously narrow band of frequency visible light that we can actually see, I think it's fair to say that whatever we think we know, there's always more to know.
And my problem Since COVID with what's called the alternative media or the mainstream core of it, not the alternative in general, is that it has stopped.
It's in a cul-de-sac.
It's an eddy in the river, whichever analogy you want to use, and it's going round and round and round.
And I don't think that's an accident.
I think that's been done on purpose because Once Covid hit, as I said at the time, these people have now entered the room.
It was so extreme and so fascistic that it was, well, lots of people did even so, of course, but enormous numbers of people could no longer Just ignore the fact that the world was not like they thought it was.
And so we had a wonderful opportunity when COVID struck.
Well, the COVID hoax struck, not COVID, in that it could have been the start of a massive awakening.
Now, for some people, It has been, and they've gone on and their minds have gone on opening and opening and opening.
But those that follow this, this mam, as I call it, this mainstream alternative media, which has been hijacked by people who've come out of the mainstream and become its superstars, and focused pretty much only on right wing politics and Christianity, They have focused the attention of enormous numbers of people that see that right-wing politics, what used to be known as the Christian right, as the alternative media.
And it's all kind of playing out around Donald Trump, of course.
But when you do the research, you find that The people around Trump are leading us in the same direction as the people around Harris.
It's just from a different route and with a different rhetoric.
So what has unfortunately happened is that the awakening has been hijacked in that sense among those people that have bought that.
And like I say, it's a lot of people.
And it's like when Covid happened with all the restrictions and all the impositions.
There was this clear opportunity because the genie that had been hidden and working under the radar, which, you know, I've been writing about it since 1990, But it was under the radar.
You had to work to uncover it and communicate what was going on.
The genie clearly could be seen, and it started to leave the bottle.
And so many people saw that.
They saw that the world was not like they thought it was.
And from a global cult point of view that's behind this orchestration of global dystopia, they would have thought, well, we can't put the genie back completely.
But what we can do is stop the genie coming out any further.
And that's when the hijack kicked in and all these people came out of the mainstream.
pushing right-wing politics and Christianity, the Christian right, in effect.
And those that weren't of the Christian right at the time, they could see how expedient it was and financially rewarding if they became the Christian right.
So they started converting to Christianity and converting to right-wing politics where they'd never been before.
And so what I'm saying in the reveal is first of all explaining how this hijack took place and then for the three quarters of the book saying this is what they don't want you to know because what's actually happened is this focus of attention on right-wing politics and the Christian belief system
has focused attention when actually beyond that is the real story, the real conspiracy, the real foundation of human control.
But while people are focusing on that, they're not seeing that.
And that's what the hijack's been all about, to accept that the genie's out of the bottle in terms of political deep state manipulation.
But we can stop it going any further.
And it's it's something I've been pointing out, shall we say, for about a year, a year and a half.
And my goodness me, you don't get some abuse when you do so, because, you know, you will have found this as well, mate.
When you tell people what they want to hear.
You're a hero.
Oh yeah, you're a hero!
The door is already swinging open of acceptance because it's what they want to be, the truth.
When you're telling people what they don't want to hear, well you get the opposite reaction.
And what their mainstream alternative media hijacked is saying is, vote for Trump and it'll all be sorted out.
And I'm saying, actually, it won't.
And actually, if we're going to sort it out, it means not handing our power collectively to one bloke or a group, but actually expressing it collectively ourselves.
Because, you know, you can have 70 odd million people voting for Trump, whatever it was at the last two elections.
And they're handing their power, 70 million people.
to one guy saying, sort it out for us.
What would happen if those 70 million odd people said instead, we are not going to cooperate with our own enslavement?
It becomes unenforceable.
But the whole Program of human control, if you look at it right across the spectrum, is getting people to hand their power to the few.
Whether it's authority in all its forms and politicians and doctors and scientists, hand your power to them.
They know best and they don't.
But David, if I might, that's actually such an important question to me, because you're so right, and it's not just within mainstream society.
It's also within this movement of people that are discovering, that are looking for greater truths, that are looking for freedom.
What surprises me that so often they still tend to want to have that Savior figure, whether it's Jesus or Elon Musk or Donald Trump.
What is it that is so challenging?
Because you've been saying this, and this has been our message, and the message of quite a few people is, you are the one you've been waiting for.
Why do they seem to be so afraid of their own power?
Because to me, that message says, I don't have to wait.
I don't have to hope.
I can take back my power and start right now.
Why is this so triggering, so challenging for many people?
Well, first of all, people go through life being told they have no power.
And that's a very powerful message, because it gets people to give their power away.
If you look at a human life, you come into the world and your parents are the power figures, because, you know, they have to be in that sense, because you're pretty helpless.
You then go to school and you're put before power figures called teachers, And they tell you what is and isn't.
They tell you when you can go to the toilet, when you can eat, when you have to be there, when you can leave.
So the authority figure, you have no power, I have no power program starts right out of the womb.
And then you go on and you get into the realms of politics and corporations and government agencies and what have you.
And it's all about the power dynamic being the few telling the many what they got to do and also what they should believe.
Censorship is about removing sources of information that would give people a different perception to the mainstream official narrative.
Now, if you then go through human history or human history as we perceive it, that dynamic has always been there through known human history.
And that is that the few have always dictated to the many.
You know, all the wars, you know, you've got, you know, the tyrant figure plays against another tyrant figure.
And armies on both sides, you know, kick the crap out of each other or far, far worse.
Why?
Because the tyrant figure has told them to.
You know, I mean, what you've got now with Ukraine and and Russia is the president of Russia telling Russian young people, you're going to do this to Ukraine.
And this little guy who's always in fatigues but never sees a bullet fired in anger, kind of ironic, Yelensky… There's always mansions to maintain, David.
Mansions all over the world.
Oh yes, but you just keep the t-shirt on and then they'll think you're one of them.
He's one of you.
But he's telling his young people to do this to Russia and that dynamic has never changed.
And so, you know, if you look at the deeper stuff we'll get into, I say there's a there's a program running through the body, which I say is a biological computer.
And that program is very powerful.
And if it's not overridden by consciousness, which consciousness can override it.
But if this biological computer program is not overridden, then the The program will run your life and it's literally like a piece of software.
If you don't override it, what you think of your own thoughts, your own emotional reactions, your own decisions are actually coming from the program.
And so when you look through what we call human history, you see the program constantly recurring.
And who are the mavericks?
Who are the people that have pushed back against this?
Who are the people that can see it, rather than being mesmerized and caught in it?
They're ones that become conscious beyond the program.
That's why they're mavericks.
That's why they're different.
And that's why those are never the ones who are truly celebrated, right?
Those are never the ones who are known in history.
They're the ones who get ridiculed, and you've gotten a lot of that over the years.
And you know what's ironic to me is you helped pave the way for this alternative media movement.
You're one of the pioneers in it.
Today, just like the mainstream, it ignores you.
It borrows from you and your work, but it ignores you.
And I think it ignores you.
It ignores you because we are...
We're at the stage where now millions of people are exploring what you're talking about so profoundly in the book, which is the nature of our reality.
Whether we, you know, not whether we, but actually for many people that has become a knowing that there is something awfully wrong, that this is not just manipulated, but potentially entirely simulated.
Now for some people this is sort of a liberating thing, and it opens their awareness to greater possibility.
For others, There's an existential crisis that seems to happen when they think about this.
What was it for you?
How was your personal journey with expanding into these thoughts?
Oh my goodness, this is not what we thought it was.
Well, when I had my awakening in 1990 and I went to see a psychic when I was still a presenter with the BBC and a national spokesman for the British Green Party at the time.
What I was told was I was going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets, which I thought was a bit strange.
But something here said, go for it, go for it.
But one other thing that was said is that we will guide him to knowledge.
And at other times, we will put knowledge directly into his mind.
And he will speak and think, where did that come from?
And for the first maybe couple of years after 1990, I found myself in this extraordinary synchronicity being led to personal experiences, documents, books, people, whistleblowers, and they were all giving me pieces in a puzzle Um, about how the world in the world of the scene, um, is, is, is controlled.
And then after about two years, it's, it switched.
What, what would happen in the first two years is I come across this information and then I would conclude what I thought was going on from that information.
After two years, I would see what was going on first.
And then the tangible names, dates, places, people information would follow to support the original, if you like, intuitive knowing.
And so this has gone on ever since and continues to go on.
So just after the turn of the millennium, and I'd thought about this before, it had been in my, you know, in my My perceptual process is, you know, could this be a simulation?
But just after the turn of the millennium, I just got this overwhelming feeling.
This is a simulation.
And that at this level, I emphasize that we'll get into it as we go along.
At this level, the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.
And I looked around at that time.
To see who else was saying this publicly.
And the only person I could find was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University.
pondering on whether we could be in a simulation that was created by ourselves in the future.
Not like I'm seeing it at all, but at least he was talking about a simulation possibility.
And then I talked about it, wrote about it, and then from about 2016, 2017, it started to seep
this whole simulation hypothesis into mainstream science.
There was a guy I remember called Rich Terrell, who worked in the computer department of NASA, who went public saying that he thought that this is a simulation, that it takes a holographic form, and that if it's a simulation, then it's not natural.
Some intelligence must have created it, which is exactly what I was saying.
Well, I've been saying about the The other intelligence that's not human for a very long time.
But I was talking about the fact that this simulation was holographic right back, you know, after the turn of the millennium, in fact, earlier in terms of the holographic nature of reality.
And then others started coming in.
And this has continued.
And then I saw an article in Scientific American in April 2021, where this academic was writing that he thought that we live in a simulation, and the limit of the simulation is the speed of light, which, given I left school at 15 to play football, never took a major exam in my life, it was quite extraordinary that this academic is now saying what I was saying.
All that time before.
But he also was saying that or relating the speed of light to processing speed.
He was saying that, you know, you can encode a virtual reality game with the rules of the game, but you are still limited by your processing speed in what you can do in the game.
And interestingly, I was saying, again, back in the turn of the millennium time, that what we call the laws of physics are actually the encoded laws of the simulation.
They're like the laws and rules of a virtual reality game.
Same principle.
They dictate how the game is played, what is possible and not possible, although consciousness can override any of it.
And so it became more and more obvious that we live in a simulation.
The question then was, well, who's created the simulation?
And funnily enough, back in the 1990s, I was writing about this non-human force manipulating human society from the hidden.
And of course, that's the force that's behind the simulation.
But where I've really started going, because again, you come back to this recurring point You reach a point where you think, okay, I think I've got this now, or at least I've got it in principle.
So what don't I know?
And so you keep pushing.
And this is why I've written so many books, because you keep pushing and more information starts to appear to you.
And so I looked at this and I looked around and, you know, I've been to 60 odd countries in my life, most of them since this explosion in my head happened in 1990.
But I don't go to so many now because I'm banned from nearly 30 in Europe.
I was just going to say, not anymore.
I don't travel so much these days because they won't let me in.
That's an interesting point, isn't it?
Yeah, especially because you've been, I always say this, Well, some people say, well, they must have a reason.
I say, well, he hasn't been accused of a crime.
He hasn't been charged with a crime.
He hasn't committed a crime or even wrongdoing.
They don't like what he's saying and what people might come to when they hear him say it.
I think, you know, going back to what we chatted about earlier, it's interesting that, you know, the great majority of these people that have come into the alternative media out of the mainstream, I'm basically taking it over in terms of its prime focus, are not banned from any country.
And they're not banned from YouTube, most of them either.
You know, if you're still on YouTube, then you're not a threat to the system in that sense.
In like, oh my God, we mustn't let people hear this.
You might be pushing the envelope, but you're not a big threat to the system.
In fact, in terms of the mainstream alternative media, you could be a benefit to the system by focusing attention on the cul-de-sac at the expense of seeing the panorama.
So I was traveling around the world over the years and I tell you, I mean, you'll know this anyway, I'm sure you've traveled as well.
Most people are not having a good time.
They're in places like Africa, South America, Central America and Asia.
They're not having a good time.
They're trying to survive another day.
Look at the kids and what they're doing in In Africa, to mine the resources that produce the batteries for people like Elon Musk, it's horrific.
And most people are having a real, real hard time.
And more and more people in the West, as the economy goes haywire, are also increasingly finding life a real struggle.
And why I say that is that I just concluded that I can see how consciousness, what people call soul, and we can talk more about that as we go along as well, I can understand how consciousness could be tricked into this reality to start with.
Because, you know, it seems to me from my research over the years that this simulation is actually a simulation of something.
It's a A digital frequency, like a Wi-Fi field, simulation of prime reality, part of prime reality.
So I would say that there is a prime earth, there is a prime reality, which this is a bad copy as the Gnostics used to call it.
So I can understand why people will be tricked in this once, but once you get out, and we can talk about what death really is later, once you get out you go, oh phew!
I ain't going back there, it's horrible!
But it's become clear to me over many many years, decades in fact, that reincarnation is real.
And I look at that in the reveal.
And particularly, I look at the work of a guy called Ian Stevenson, who's a who was a American Canadian psychiatrist, who started to come across really young children, who had detailed, fine detailed, often Memories of past lives and they would describe the places they would even describe What places they've never been in this life, but also they would describe the internal layout of buildings in places they'd never been in this life and what what he then did and he did thousands and thousands of the studies in different parts of the world and
is he checked them out.
He would go to the places they're talking about and he would check the names.
They even gave names.
He would check the locations and how they described the locations.
He would check the inside of buildings where the layout was described in detail.
And he found that overwhelmingly what they said was true.
There was one story I include in the book where There was this young boy and he said that he was married to someone, a woman, who was still alive.
So they went over and they had their interaction and eventually the family he said he was the father of, once in a previous life, they said, well, we could never find our father's will.
Where is it?
And he walks over to like a floorboard and points out, and they took the floorboard up and there it was, the will.
Yeah, I read that in a book.
Incredible story.
Yeah, so it's like reincarnation is real.
Where I differ, and this is where the reveal goes in another direction, where I differ from those that believe in reincarnation is the reason for it.
It's funny enough, I was watching a couple of video interviews only last night with a guy from Silicon Valley who believed that we live in a simulation and also someone who says he astral projects, he projects his consciousness into the astral dimension, the one next to this one, the afterlife dimension actually.
I'm sure we'll get to that.
They were, he was saying too, the astral projector, this is a matrix, this is a simulation.
But they both still held on to this idea that it's here so that we can learn lessons to evolve.
And, you know, I look around and I think what lessons the kids in Gaza are currently learning.
And the other thing is, you know, oh, you've got to come in to learn lessons and, you know, it's your karma.
So, you know, you experience doing it and you experience having it done to you and it's all about evolution.
And then you go, well, hold on a minute.
Isn't it funny?
If this karma works as you say it does, then why is it that the tiny few people comparatively run the world through the centuries and known human history and billions Have it run for them.
I mean, wouldn't there be a more of a mathematical connection between the two?
But there isn't.
The vast majority are put upon, and the tiny few put upon them, and that's history!
So I don't buy that at all.
So I then started to really ask the question, what is this afterlife about?
And not the greater infinite afterlife, I mean the afterlife in this simulation, because it became clear to me, as the research continued, that This human world, which is so tiny, it's unbelievable, what we call the atomic matter world, is actually, basically, in my view, a sub-reality of the astral.
Because people think that the human world is about matter.
But actually, the amount of matter in this universe, compared with other forms of energy, matter is absolutely tiny.
And according to mainstream science, 99% of the visible universe is not matter.
It's something called plasma.
Which is known as the fourth state of matter.
It should be the first state of matter, given it's almost entirely what this universe is.
And some in science even say it's 99.99 odd percent of the visible universe.
So I'm going, okay, so what is this plasma?
And what occurred to me as I was writing the book is that plasma is the astral.
So I'm sitting in this room now and I'm seeing a wall, I'm seeing lights, I'm seeing a computer, I'm seeing a desk.
And in between those forms of matter To me, it's empty space.
And to everyone else, visually, it's an empty space.
But of course, it's not empty.
It's energy.
And in this reality, it's plasma.
And so, when you see these paranormal experiences, like ghosts and stuff, they're coming out of the plasma.
They're plasma beings.
Plasma phenomenon and they're coming out of the the the plasma into Visible light now they may not come totally into visible light, which is why they seem ethereal most of the time But they've they've come into visible light just enough for us to actually see them And this is why you will have two people and one will say, Oh, he's a ghost over there.
And the other guy, the guy saying, cause your thing mate, because again, it's, it's all to do with your, um, your state of awareness, whether you see these things or whether you don't, uh, when they're in that ethereal state.
So anyway, um, I was, Looking and reading and watching accounts and reading accounts in an enormous number now over the years of near-death experiences where they leave the body and suddenly they find themselves in a totally different reality.
And the common themes are very, very compelling of what they say.
But Let's just look at why they find themselves in another reality as opposed to this one.
For me, what the body is, is a headset, the equivalent of a headset in a virtual reality game.
If you put on a headset, and also the gloves and the audio, these more sophisticated ones, you watch, you can see examples of compilations on the internet.
You see the incredible transformation in people's sense of perception, sense of reality, when they put a headset on.
Yeah, they dive head-on into the floor because they think it's a pool or the ocean or they jump into their TV.
Yeah, I've seen that.
That's incredible.
Yeah, and that is a headset where they can go like that and go pew.
It's a game.
But you imagine if the body is the equivalent of a headset.
And what the headset is doing is the biological computer.
It's decoding the simulation.
The simulation is not a construct.
It's like a Wi-Fi field of information.
And just as you have a computer which locks into Wi-Fi and takes the information in that Wi-Fi radiation field and puts it on the screen in a totally different way, totally different form that we perceive the Internet to be.
That's what the human body computer, biological computer, is doing.
And by the way, just as a quick aside, you know, I've been saying for a long, long time that biological is also a form of technology.
People think that you have the technological and anything biological is natural.
Well, how do we know that?
And I can tell you that these global cultists, if you go deep enough, They know that the biological is a form of technology.
The Moderna, when they're talking about the content of their fake vaccine, COVID vaccine, they call it an operating system because they know what they're dealing with.
They know it's a form of computer that they're dealing with.
So we have this headset body.
And while our consciousness is experiencing through it, this is delivering a decoded version of the simulation, the matrix, to our sense of reality.
And again, I found it over and over that if you look at what mainstream science has established, if only they'd put the dots together, they've already got most of it.
They say that the five senses are where we interact.
They're how we interact with the simulation field.
They say that the five senses are picking up frequency information.
They're turning it into electrical information and then they communicate it to the brain, which then decodes it, I say, into digital holographic information that we experience as the external world.
But it's not external, it's going on in here, just as the computer in front of me.
I'm observing what the computer is decoding, but the decoding is going on inside the computer.
And therefore in the biological computer the decoding is going on inside us and thus we are constantly perceiving an external world that's not actually external in the way that we experience it.
So you then reach a point of what we call death.
And what happens at death is The biological computer ceases to function.
And what does it stop doing?
It stops decoding the matrix at this level.
And so your consciousness suddenly finds itself in another reality.
Actually, a reality it was always in, in many ways.
But the constant delivery of the decoded matrix gave the illusion that it was in this This human atomic matter world.
And so when people leave the body and they describe it in near-death experience accounts, they describe very common themes.
But one of the things that I found quite strange is that again and again you hear this same description.
When I left the body I felt I basically experienced and felt a world I'd never experienced before.
I felt this love or this bliss and I'd never felt it before.
And then you think, well, you believe in reincarnation after your near-death experience, and they always say, yeah, yeah.
Well, why haven't you felt it before then?
Why haven't you experienced it before?
You must have experienced it many times.
Why don't you remember?
And all this started to come together when I started to come across accounts of people who could remember the pre-human life state world.
They could, some of them, remember, they're very few, but the common themes again are very, very compelling.
They could remember the incarnation process.
One of the things that, you know, kind of strikes you is the way they describe it is very technological.
You know, we think of the spirit world, the astral, as kind of, you know, spiritual and what have you.
But actually, what they're describing is very technological, the process.
And of course, plasma is the fourth state of matter, they say.
And it may be a more ethereal physicality, if you like, but it's still a form of physicality.
And what they describe, first of all, is when they come out of the astral and they enter this realm, the density of the energy is absolutely, they say, indescribable.
It's so dense it's almost hard to even experience it.
And so we need to be kind to ourselves for a start because we are in an energetic density that makes You know, the wider perception of reality, shall we say, very challenging.
Actually, David, if I may just chime in, because this came a number of times when reading the book, and I have had this memory almost all my life, almost from birth, coming into this Cold, very heavy, very dark place compared to what I, and feeling almost trapped in the body.
And I remember my parents, my mother would tell me I cried a lot as a baby.
And I have the distinct memory why I was actually crying.
I was crying for this expanded place and the kind of love that in the human realm very rarely actually happens or you experience.
And I've had this, and it wasn't until later in life that I realized why, but it is incredible.
And then when you actually go to this expanded state of awareness through whatever process or when it happens, you remember what it actually feels like when you are who you truly are.
So being in a human body and being in this experience here is actually probably the most challenging thing you could possibly imagine.
I mean, those people that do have some memories of this say that this is an incredibly challenging place, and it's incredibly challenging for a reason, and I'll come to it.
It's nothing to do with learning lessons to evolve.
No, and my wife blames me because she says I talked her into doing it one more time here for a particular reason.
She says I talked her into it, and I think she's probably right.
Well, I've said over the years, I think that there's loads of people in a line, and they ask for volunteers to come here, and everyone else took a step back, and I was standing there, you know.
Oh me, yeah?
Well, I better do it then.
Yes, so the other thing that they talk about is, some of these people that have these incarnation memories, is going through an electromagnetic field which has the effect of wiping their memory.
Uh, you remember those, uh, you're probably too young.
You remember those, uh, those, uh, original bloody tapes?
Um, the, the big massive tapes, you know, used to rub them over a, uh, a magnet to, to, um, to clean them.
So you could use them again.
Um, it was in principle, it's basically like that.
And so you, when you come in, most people have no memory of, uh, previous lives or the between life astral state or whatever.
But some do.
And according to Ian Stevenson's work, most of these children start to have those memories fade around the age of seven.
With some, but they're rare, go into adult life, sometimes even come back during adult life after, you know, they've forgotten them for a long time.
But it's about the age of seven, they start to start to fade.
So most people don't have that memory.
And this is my explanation for why people, when they leave the body in a near-death experience, they say again and again and again, I'd never felt anything like it.
It's because the memory wipe continues at that point.
So they have no memory of those previous experiences of leaving the body.
And the idea is to get them back up, up, up the tunnel to the light or to the light in some form.
And, you know, look, look how we are prepared during a human life to relate the light to God.
OK, but what light?
You know, that's the point.
You know, it's it's very easy to scam these things once you Realize the scale of technological potential possibility that exists in the astral compared with here.
Because one of the interesting things is that this explosion of technology, AI technology, because I say the whole simulation, all the different levels of it are actually run by AI.
And all this technological computerization, etc.
It's actually technologically mirroring the way we create reality, like I say, with the computer and the Wi-Fi and all that.
And if you think of those shaman of ancient times trying to explain what they'd seen to a people that had never seen a computer or any of it, It must have been a nightmare.
And so what they were doing was using the symbology of what people knew.
And then the anthropologists and the historians go along and they say, oh, these were primitive people.
They're saying this and they believe this and they believe that.
But the ones that knew in those ancient societies were just using symbolism
to try to explain what they'd seen.
But the great thing now is that because of this technological explosion,
we have the analogies like the internet, et cetera, to explain what we're trying to say
in very close to not just symbolism, but in very close to reality in terms of theme.
of theme.
So we have this other level this of the simulation I say which is known as the astral and this is what's perceived to be the afterlife or the spirit world Or, you know, they're heaven for some people.
Even though it looks to all the end years, it almost looks different to everyone.
To me that's like a... How can this place that so many people call real look different to everyone that goes there?
To some it is a garden, to some it is a mountain, to some it is the ocean, to some it is a technological space.
Like, how does this work?
If this is the real thing, why is it different for everyone?
Well, what's interesting, I do a couple of chapters in the book Which include the work of a guy called Robert Temple.
Robert Temple contacted me when I just started The Reveal, and he was reading The Dream, the previous book, and he said, I think we should meet.
And Robert Temple is a science researcher.
He's had science articles, he's done science documentaries with major channels, etc.
But he's a real out-of-the-box thinker.
And I didn't realize until I read his book called Science of Heaven, which came out in 2022, which looks at the plasma nature of reality, that he had known and been in contact with some of the great maverick scientists of his lifetime.
Um, that, um, were seeing things that were immediately suppressed and discovering things that were immediately suppressed by the mainstream of science, which is what the mainstream of science, just like the mainstream of medicine is a bit like the barricade brigade of the hijacked alternative media.
It's a here and no further operation.
They want to keep you as the alternative media mainstream wants to keep you in politics and religion.
So science wants to keep you only in the realm of biology and matter.
Right.
And of course, medicine is an offshoot of that perception.
So it was fascinating reading this book.
And I went across and added a couple of chats with him as well.
And he reveals in his book something called Kordilewski clouds.
These are phenomenal clouds of plasma, you know, in the Earth-Moon system.
They're about as far from the Earth as the Moon, I think.
And they're not just plasma, they are what's known as dusty plasma.
And, you know, dusty, as I say in the book, is not a great way to describe them because, you know, people think dust, actually what... More like smart dust.
Yeah, what dust means in the Coriolis cloud perception is nano and micro technology, uh, nano and micro, um, uh, particles.
And, uh, as, uh, Robert explains in his book, these two Kordilewski clouds together are the equivalent size to 18 Earths.
And he goes on to explain that the computing power and storage power of these two clouds alone could record and store every person who's ever lived on Earth, every plant, every animal, everything that's happened, all of it.
And, you know, I've been Writing in this trilogy, From the Trap Through the Dream to Now, about this whole Edgar Cayce perception of the Akashic Records.
The Akashic Records are said to be a book, not really a book, but a book of everything that's ever happened on Earth, right?
It's actually a massive data operation.
It's a massive kind of Quantum computer operation that that stores all this stuff and and you know for people to To grasp it's okay.
You know, we've got the analogies of the technological Explosion that we're seeing but you've got to see the the technological cutting-edge in in in the human world as the Stone Age compared with with with the And so it's quite feasible that you're not only recorded in everything that you do, and I guess there are other religions that have something similar to the Akashic Records in how they describe it, but actually it's this massive quantum computer operation
Luski clouds will be part of it but it will be much bigger than that. Well the Christians do say God
hears everything and knows everything you think and I mean it's just a different wording but
same principle. Yeah and the other thing is we need to ask what God? Is it a God of infinity
beyond the simulation or is it the God who created the simulation?
Because if you look at the Old Testament, don't tell me that's a loving God!
Right?
What do you mean?
You think sacrifices of babies and all of that is God-loving?
Oh, yeah.
No, not in my world.
But anyway, so this idea, and I've kind of explored this in earlier books, but I really get into the nitty gritty in this one.
This idea that when you leave the body, it's amazing how many people uh who um say follow a religion or followed a religion in their human life find themselves um meeting the religious hero of their religion um like it's like like designer uh they they have spirit guides they have elders and all these
descriptions that are common to near-death experiences.
And they talk about meeting loved ones, past loved ones, and all that stuff.
But all of this can be manifested via this Akashic Record quantum computer system.
And immediately, you see, one of the things that interests me, and really occurred to me when I was looking at it, is just how much of this Astral reality mirrors the human reality.
And in this way, particularly, our perception of authority.
So if you look at the humans, the human world, they overwhelmingly look to authority to tell them what to do, tell them what to think, tell them how things are.
They'll that because one of the things that part of the program of humans, the human program is to convince us we we basically little me and we don't know much.
So we have to look to authority to tell us, well, he's a scientist.
He must know he's a doctor.
Yeah, we saw that during COVID, didn't we?
But anyway, They look to authority figures, whether it's politicians or scientists or doctors or even corporate people to tell them how things are.
And then when they leave the body and you read and watch these near-death accounts, the dynamic is the same.
Now they're giving their power away to another authority, spirit guides, elders, religious heroes, whatever manifests to them, to tell them what to do and to tell them how things are.
And the other thing is that again and again in these near-death accounts, you get the theme of If you cross this threshold, which sometimes is an archway, sometimes it's a wall, whatever, you will not be able to go back to your current life in human life.
But because their death experiences do come back, they don't cross that threshold.
So, you know, it's very, very difficult.
What's on the other side of the threshold?
What's on the other side of what you're allowed to see in a near-death experience.
And so this Buddhist wheel of samsara, where you go on this wheel of various experiences and then come back in, I say that's a trap.
And what I say in the book is that I Describe what I say is the difference.
And these are just names, they're just words, but it's what we use.
I say that the human body is the vehicle that allows us to experience this reality.
Well, that's clearly true.
And the soul, what people call the soul, is basically the, quote, body, the outer energetic shell, That interacts with the astral.
So the soul comes into incarnation or part of it does.
Because we need a body in the human world to interact with it.
Because our consciousness is vibrating too fast for me to tap the keys on this computer or whatever.
So I have an outer shell within the frequency band I want to experience and that allows me to do that.
When you go into the astral, I say the soul is similar.
It's an energetic field, quote, body that allows us to interact with the astral.
What I call spirit is the true I.
The spirit is a state of awareness.
It's a state of being aware.
It's not an outer shell.
It's just a state of being aware.
And those three states have very different frequencies. They operate on very different frequencies.
Obviously, as we talked about, in the human world it's incredibly dense and it appears to
be matter, solid matter, but as quantum physics has shown it
is not.
And as people like Einstein said, you know, matter is just basically energy that's gone into a vibration that's so dense that it appears to be solid.
And that's confirmed by, you know, what we talked about earlier, the people who can remember their, their incarnation process.
And so we have this body that allows us to experience this and we have the soul which allows us to experience the the astral and because the astral is more ethereal compared with this what isn't then we're in a different frequency state when we're in the astral because we drop this but to to to go beyond the astral to get out of this simulation is to
is to enter that state of self-identity.
For me, this is the foundation of everything.
That state of self-identity, which is that you are just a state of awareness.
I say just, my goodness!
And in terms of potentiality, you are potentially all awareness.
And that is the way out, I say, to reach a state of self-identity where you self-identify with being that state of awareness that is pure awareness, that doesn't identify with being a soul, that doesn't identify with being a human.
If I may, David, if I just may, on this particular thing, because I had an experience years and years ago, and the thing is, I see the new age, and you talk about this in the book too, the new age as sort of It's the last step.
People liberate themselves from the mainstream religious programs and maybe even the mainstream alternative media, but sort of the new age philosophies are oftentimes like the last barrier.
And I remember subscribing and entertaining all these new age ideas and being there.
And then I had an experience where I did what they call a pineal gland activation, right?
That's like a practice, like a meditation.
And for days I was practicing it and I couldn't get there.
Like I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
And then it was days in and every early morning I would get up and sit for an hour or two and eventually I gave up.
And then it was like a voice in my, in my mind and said, close your eyes, relax, just come with me.
And I took a few deep breaths.
I followed that voice, if you will.
And all of a sudden it was almost like an explosion.
And I remember being guided by that voice that said, OK, go beyond.
And I would see beautiful things and structures and fountains and whatnot.
No, go beyond, go beyond, go beyond, go deeper.
And eventually I found myself in a... There was no more light.
It was more...
Maybe how you would imagine space, I don't know, but it was a state of all that is.
There was no more desire.
It's like everything and nothing was there all at the same time.
Yeah, I know exactly what you're describing.
And that voice said, what do you want?
And I was like, I want nothing.
And the voice said, no, you've been chasing all these things.
What do you want?
Tell me.
And I would say whatever I wanted at the time from my human perspective, just entertaining the game.
And the voice said, done, done, done, done, done, done, done.
It's all done.
You don't need to do it.
It's all done.
You can create anything you want.
And I remember starting to float into this all that is field.
And from that, it is, it is, I can't even describe it, but once I came out of it, I thought it was maybe 20 minutes.
It was two hours later.
I came out of it.
And everything started to restructure itself in my reality and my life started to go in a different direction and vastly different.
And I see this because of what you just said, and I didn't mean to be rude and interrupt, but I see this new age trap.
I see this for so many people as being, but you have to know there's karma and there's the wheel and the reincarnations.
And just a few weeks ago, we were visiting with a dear friend.
She's amazing.
And I and, you know, long into the night, we had a deep conversation.
And at midnight, I said, do you believe in karma?
And she says one thousand percent.
I said, do you believe in absolute free will?
She said one thousand percent.
I said, well, could you use your free will, your free will to jump off the karma wheel?
And she looks at me and she said.
I've never thought about this, I said, well, would you if you could?
She said, hell yeah, hell yeah.
And in the days following, we have more conversations and it started to change her perception totally.
And so I wanted to ask you, what is it about this new age trap that is so powerful, where so many people have a hard time taking this step and going, there is something beyond here and that is not limited anymore.
No more rules, no more guides, no more bullshit, no more you got to go back a million times and kill it and be killed and all that crap.
What is it?
What is it that keeps people from?
Well, again, again, it's, it's, it's programming.
And also it's not fear.
Yeah, it's not wishing to face reality.
That's how I would put it as well.
See, let me use this analogy.
You're on a freeway, a motorway as we call them in Britain.
And the motorway is taking you to infinity beyond the simulation.
It's taking you to the true I, the state of pure awareness.
Now, if you need, and we can come to this, if you need, as these entities or consciousness that have created this simulation, if you need to keep people in it, because it's giving you an energetic sustenance that you can't get any other way, then you've got to stop that journey to infinity.
Because when you get further enough along that freeway, you are out of the simulation.
And that is the worst nightmare for reasons they are feeding off low vibrational, human, emotional and mental energy.
So they need to keep us here.
And that's why you have the trap of karma and you have the trick of the fake heaven and the fake afterlife realm, the astral, because it's to keep you there so they can keep bringing you back, telling you you've got to learn lessons to evolve into the human world where overwhelmingly this What's called by many people now, Loosh, this low vibrational human energy is generated through all the challenges that people have and all the wars and all the things that happen and all the suffering and all the depression and all the anxiety and all the fear, the base emotion of all of it.
They need us to keep coming back.
That's why I said earlier, I concluded that if you left the body after an experience in this reality, you'd overwhelmingly say, I'm not going back there, but you have to be brought back here.
And so this freeway has slip roads on it.
Slip roads galore to stop you getting to that infinite self that you really are.
So, religions are slip roads and they operate in this reality.
So, if you are believing in Christianity and you leave the body and an image of Jesus appears, you're going to do what Jesus says.
And, you know, we've talked about how, and I talk about it in greater detail in the reveal, how these projections can be created in a designer way to fit your belief system.
Same with Islam, same with Hinduism, any of them.
And so, then there's the new age slip road, where you talk about reincarnation, but you see it as a way of evolving.
And, you know, past lives, I've been this in a past life and that in a past life.
Oh, really?
I am sorry.
So that's another slip road and what I'm finding, and I did mention it briefly earlier, is this extraordinary cognitive dissonance that will not face reality, that will not face that this is actually a trap And that, quote, God, as you perceive God, didn't create it.
It was a very inverted, distorted state of awareness, detached from what you call God, or detached in a way that's not influenced by it, that created this.
And that the Energy are the consciousness that expresses itself in different form, like entities and what-have-you.
You know, Christianity talks about the devil, Satan and demons.
Islam talks about Shaitan or Iblis and Jinn.
Gnostics talk about Yoda, Baof, the Demiurge and Archons, Greek for rulers, and so on and so forth.
You find this same theme all over the world.
The theme of a non-human force manipulating human society from the hidden, which is almost everything to human perceptual sight.
And people don't want to face that.
So they go into a state of cognitive dissonance where they try to explain the horrors, suffering and conflicts of this world and deprivations of this world.
In a way that still can be explained through its God's will.
And to do that, you basically disappear up your own backside trying to find a way of explaining it.
So this is why, you know, you've got the new age that sees the suffering and says, well, it's it's it's it's your karma or it's your you're just learning and evolving.
Hold on a minute.
When I leave here, am I aware that, you know, of a much greater reality and I can put this into some kind of perspective?
Oh, yeah.
Why don't I need to come in it?
Right?
I mean, Why do I need to come here?
And what is this learning thing through lifetimes?
It's like saying you went to elementary school and then you forget everything as you go to high school.
Exactly!
You don't build on it if you forget everything.
So how can you build on your learning?
It doesn't make any sense.
What you're going to do is you're going to go back and learn what we're going to make you forget.
It's like Deep breath, take a step back, look at it again.
But I really do think, you know, we've hit on a big area here where people just don't want to face the fact of the situation that we're in.
Therefore, they try to explain it away in some kind of positive way.
And if we would only face it, and see what the situation is and see what keeps us here, which is very simple.
It's to keep us in the astral and in the human world in a perceptual state and in a self-identity state that keeps us in a frequency state that keeps us in the frequency realm of the simulation.
When we reach a point of self-awareness, self-identity, where we are aware that we are just awareness, all that is, has been and ever can be, Then we are generating a frequency in the nature of our consciousness, which when we leave the body, we're out of here!
We're out of here!
They can't keep us in unless they make us believe that this is real and the astral is real.
It's a simulated human world and it's a simulated Afterlife.
And so, one of the things that I have understood over the years is that these entities, and I explain in the book, you know, some of the sources, but there have been many, these entities and this consciousness in the end, because what we call What Christians call the devil and Satan, what Islam calls Shaitan, etc.
That, for me, is the consciousness.
That's the inverted consciousness.
And what they call demons and jinn, etc., etc., are expressions of that consciousness in some kind of form.
And so the idea is that They set up this simulation in the human level particularly because of its density and it's dense by design so that we humans experience low vibrational emotional triggers
called wars, suffering, anxiety, fear of the future, regret of the past, and so on.
Endless numbers of them. And conflicts between religions, conflicts between political parties,
all this stuff which generates this low vibrational emotional and mental energy
that these people feed off.
These entities, this consciousness ultimately, through the entities, feeds off.
And so they have to keep this going because this inverted consciousness has become so detached from the infinity consciousness. It's still an expression of it but it's
become so detached, so lacking an influence and an energetic connection of any
strength from it that it's had to create its own energetic source.
So when you had in the Matrix movies, the Morpheus character holding up a battery and saying the Matrix is a computer generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, that was a profound truth being spoken in an apparently fictional movie.
And what I also realized long ago now, Is that this is where all the human sacrifice comes from.
You know, I realized in the early 1990s, in early mid 1990s, that these major players in this global cult, this global cult, this global network of secret societies, is imposing the will on humanity of these entities of this consciousness.
So they're basically just, if you like, agents and assets of this, operating in the human realm to impose the will of this non-human force.
And so I realized that these major players in this cult were taking part in satanic ritual and human sacrifice.
And it's like, why?
And then you look back and you see how it was done in the open in those days before humanity grew up to the point where it was not acceptable anymore.
They would sacrifice people, often children, sacrificing young virgins to the gods is code for children, just as these people do now.
And it was an offering to the gods.
So the next question obviously is, well, what do the gods get out of this then?
And then you realize what these satanic rituals are doing.
And this is why they're using the same rituals now they were in ancient Babylon, etc.
It's because of the nature of how the ritual impacts upon the energetic field and on the person involved.
They are designed to generate maximum terror in the victim.
And that terror is a very powerful, low vibrational energy which these entities feed off.
And that's the gift to the gods of human sacrifice.
Now, when someone's in an emotional state, you can see their body language.
You can see them in an emotional state.
What you cannot see is the energy, the frequencies of that emotional state, that emotion, that mental state, actually being generated by them.
Why?
Because that's an astral phenomenon.
So these entities in the astral, the lower levels of the astral particularly, are feeding off that astral energy that we're generating as emotion and mental states.
And they're certainly doing it in these rituals.
And that's the gift to the gods that they've been doing First of all in the open and then now in secret because it's not acceptable anymore.
And what also happens is when you generate this level of terror in someone, an adrenaline is triggered that enters the blood And that is drunk, that blood is then drunk with this adrenaline in it by the Satanists who are taking part in the human world and conducting this ritual.
This is where adrenochrome and all that stuff comes from.
So, you know, the more that you keep pushing, OK, I think I know this.
What don't I know?
The more you push that and push that and push that, the further and further and further and further away you get from Trump is the saviour or Harris is the saviour or whatever.
The further you get away from that and what's happening in this hijacked alternative media is that focus of attention on only that level, that tiny, tiny level of what's going on is what is what so many people focus upon.
When the real foundation of the conspiracy to control humanity is to trick them into believing they are experiencing a reality that's nothing like the reality they think they're experiencing.
It's to control perception on that basic level of being in a world you think you're in when you're not, and to generate The sustenance of your prison warders without any idea that that's what you're doing.
That is the real level of human control.
And of course, even beyond that, is how do we stop coming back here in this Wheel of Samsara business?
Because if they can control your perception to the point where your frequency stays within the frequency walls of the simulation, you ain't going anywhere.
But if you can reach this point of self-identity, of I am awareness, and beyond all of this stuff, it's all nonsense.
Not just some of it, all of it.
And this is the real me.
Then you are in a vibrational state.
Out of here!
Gone!
Bye!
See ya!
And that is game over.
That's why I am so passionate in exposing and pointing out to people why this hijacked alternative media, which in many ways has become the mainstream, not alternative, but even the mainstream media now, Why that is so important for people to see through.
Because all this, the real way out of this nonsense is lost to you when you're there thinking Trump's your savior.
You know, in the book you write, in the new book, The Reveal, you write there are three major types of beings in a simulation.
Divine spark projections, soul incarnations, and AI-directed non-player characters being played by the game.
And that is part of the, and you point that out, you point out how there has been a population explosion in the last 150-200 years.
But, you know, the argument that people are making, we're all one, we're all the same, on the highest level, yes, on the highest level, but if you look at it in our realm, there are so many backdrop people or non-player characters that have the sole role of distracting Divine Spark from realizing what it is and misguiding it just by sheer masses.
If 200 million people walk in one direction, you know, you might think, well, they can't all be wrong.
Truth is they are, but that's sort of how, that's how this, this game is played.
And that's another incredibly triggering subject is non-player characters.
But if this is a virtual reality game, like any other virtual reality game, you have a lot of characters that don't really are, have any real role other than being there and maybe distracting you.
This is interesting because I would say that without the intervention of consciousness, conscious awareness, overriding the program, the biological computer body program, we're all non-player characters.
In this sense, you know, when you watch and listen and read These accounts of people that have some memory of the incarnation process out of the astral.
Because some come in from beyond the astral and then go out beyond the astral.
They just come in to try to do the best they can to explain to people what's going on and then they're out of here.
But but those that come in from the and even even those are subject to the same thing I'm going to describe.
But if you're in any way conscious, then you start to override it.
When you come in from the astral, you are given this is very clear in these descriptions.
You are given a series of events that are going to happen in your life.
And interestingly, when those events happened and you go back into the astral, you are judged.
They say, oh, there's no judgment in the astral.
Oh, there is.
They make you judge yourself.
You're judged on those pre-programmed experiences.
Ah, what's going on?
Right.
So anyway, you come in.
And so how are these pre-programmed experiences set up?
Because the body is a biological computer and running through it is a life program for that particular life.
And if you do not override that program with consciousness, which you can, you can change it, make different decisions that are conscious decisions rather than program decisions.
You are basically being run by the game throughout your life.
You know, for me, there's two types of synchronicity.
There's a synchronicity where consciousness is attracted to consciousness.
A synchronicity, which is a synchronicity between programs, between body programs.
So you meet someone and you have a relationship with that body program because it's in the program and it's in their program.
And, you know, this is happening all the time.
So on that level, without the intervention of consciousness, you're a non-player character because the game's playing you.
What is a non-player character?
It's a character in a computer game where the game is playing the character and it's doing everything the character does is being decided by the game.
You're not a player where you can impact on the game.
You are part of the game.
And that's the crucial role of awakening.
You know, what is awakening?
It's deprogramming.
Would you say that every being in this realm has the capability of doing it and has the capability or would you say that it is sort of only those who carry the divine spark or are the divine spark just forgetting that they are that?
Well, I do.
I do think, I mean, from various sources that I've come across, I do think that there are a lot of people, maybe even the majority, who are being played by the game.
And they're there, as you mentioned earlier, and I talk about in the book, to influence, manipulate and Oppress those that have the potential to override the program with consciousness.
Because it seems to me that it's the consciousness caught in the illusion that generates maximum power in this loose energy of low vibrational emotion and mental states.
That's what they're really after.
That power, because to an extent, if you think about it, this divine spark that we have within us, which is our connection, often very silent in this ridiculous nonsensical realm we're in, but it's this divine spark that is our connection to the Infinite Self.
And so, in a way, this Inverted consciousness, going under all these different names in religions and ancient societies, is feeding off that energy via us.
But it's feeding off its power in a low vibrational state caused by the emotional and mental experiences that are set up on purpose in this in this reality and I do think that so many things that happen in this world that are not the result of an intervention of consciousness are actually happening because the matrix is encoded to make them happen and so when you look at this
This cult, which is kind of overseeing the manipulation of humanity and heading towards ever greater dystopia, it's basically riding a wave of information and encoded information that is making this happen anyway.
They're just kind of overseeing it.
It's in the fabric of the matrix that this stuff is happening.
Now we can decode that information into a holographic experience.
And that's what we'll do if we are non-player characters without the intervention of consciousness.
Or consciousness can override the program and override that encoded event in the simulation, if we are opening ourselves to that level of awareness.
And you know, this is a very important point.
It's another very important point of why they don't want people to know this.
If you bring something into a state of consciousness, Then its power over you is massively, in the end, totally deleted.
And you can see this in a very, very simple experiment.
I've used in the book, books two or three times over the years, a subliminal image.
And it's just a few flowers, about four flowers, plants.
And you say to people, there's a subliminal message in this image.
Can you see it?
Now about 95% or more won't see it.
And then you point it out.
And in this subliminal image, the white space between the plants, the flowers, reads the word sex.
Now, this is the point.
Once you've pointed it out where the subliminal is, every time, and I mean every time, like 20 years hence, people see that image again, the subliminal is the first thing they see.
The first thing they see.
Why?
Because it's been taken out of the subconscious, subliminal, below threshold, and it's been brought into the conscious mind.
Conscious awareness.
Now that subliminal is not subconsciously manipulating you anymore because you're consciously aware of it.
And this is the The so important, vital, bottom line reason that this information about all that we've talked about today, my God, we've got some stuff, is known by people.
Because once it becomes conscious, you lose its power over you.
And you see it for what it is.
This myopia of the hijacked alternative media is to stop you doing that.
And let me just say this to clarify.
Some of these people have come out of the mainstream and have taken over the alternative media mainstream focus.
We'll know exactly what they're doing and why most of them won't.
But how how do you how do you Make someone a controlled opposition without knowing they're controlled opposition.
Simple.
You identify people who have a say, a love of money, because my God, there's so much money in that central area of the alternative media now.
Unbelievably so.
We've just seen the exposure of people on $100,000 a week, apparently from Russian sources, some of them.
That's the kind of money you're talking about.
It's phenomenal.
And so if you're attracted by that, you'll be attracted in there.
You're looking for people who do not have the knowledge, And the range of knowledge and the range of research that can see beyond where you want people to look, and you just promote the hell out of them.
You promote them algorithmically, you promote them financially, and you promote them in terms of giving them every stage that you possibly can.
And they will go on doing what they believe in ignorance, that they're actually being played like a stringed instrument.
Those are the best ones.
Those are the best gophers for it.
Yeah.
Because they don't know they're gophers.
They think they're exposing the deep state.
Well, they might be, but the deep state's about that big compared with actually what we need to know.
And the reason that They are not banned from YouTube and they're not banned from countries, but I am.
The reason that I've been excluded by those people, they won't even interview me.
I mean, when you've done 35 years of research and you were ahead of the curve and it was basically you and a few others, the others long gone now, almost all of them anyway, just a few disparate individuals long before there was ever an alternative media who were doing this stuff.
And, you know, you would, if you're a Joe Rogan or a Tucker Carlson, you'd say, well, we need to talk to this guy, see what he knows.
But they don't.
They refuse to do so because there's a reason for it.
The same reason.
Do you think they refuse or they're not allowed to?
Well, it could be.
It could be either.
It could be either.
But, you know, don't tell me, Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, that you're fighting the system if you're allowing the system to tell you you've done a bloody interview.
By the way, if you, like Joe Rogan, are on a contract with Spotify and your stuff he's played on YouTube and everywhere else of $250 million.
Don't tell me you're a threat to the system!
Who do you think's paying you that money?
It's the system!
You know?
Wait, you're saying Elon Musk is not fighting the system?
The officially richest man in the world with all these government contracts is not fighting the system?
No, I'm sorry, mate.
I've got to disappoint you.
He's not, no.
But I mean, just let's take him for a quick one.
I could talk for hours on him.
I was tracking him long before he bought Twitter X, because his companies were ticking every box of the cult agenda and the World Economic Forum agenda, the World Economic Forum being an asset of this global cult.
And he's doing it with, I mean, he was pushing the green car, so-called green car, electric car agenda with Tesla.
He's doing the connecting computers to an AI to the human brain through Neuralink.
And crucially, he's putting up low-orbit satellites through SpaceX.
which are beaming an electromagnetic field at the planet, which is getting bigger and bigger and more extensive all the time.
He's already got thousands and thousands of low-orbit satellites, and the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC in the United States, has given him permission for tens of thousands more.
And others are doing it, but SpaceX is really the driver.
And this electromagnetic field, what they call the cloud, and that is designed to be the hive mind of humanity.
And you've got this self-replicating nanotechnology, which has been well identified in the blood of not just the vaccinated, though they are obviously compounded by multiple of these COVID fake vaccines that have done this.
But it's coming at us from all different sources.
And so even the unvaccinated have got some of this stuff in.
And one of the ingredients coming from different sources, but absolutely from the fake vaccine, is graphene oxide.
And graphene oxide is a superconductor of electricity.
And so you think that The brain is processing information, perception, electrically.
It's communicating with the rest of the body electrically and vice versa.
And therefore, if you can get graphene oxide into the brain, then you're going to rewire the way that the brain processes information.
This is why so many people who've had the fake vaccine have changed their personality.
It's been very, very clearly seen by people around them.
And the other impact, there are many, but this is another impact of graphene oxide, is that it amplifies the impact of electromagnetic fields inside the body.
So if you come into contact with an electromagnetic field, say the cloud, then its impact will be greatly magnified by the graphene oxide.
And the idea is that Perceptions and thought patterns and emotional reactions are fed through this cloud, this technologically generated electromagnetic field, to the receiver, the self-replicating nanotechnology in the body, and it basically becomes the human mind.
So when Ray Kurzweil at Google said years ago now that by 2030, the AI will be connected to the human brain.
And from that moment, that connection, AI will be more and more of human thinking until human thinking is negligible, i.e.
deleted eventually.
That is how they're doing it.
And you know, Elon Musk's role often is not being at the cutting edge of technology, it's selling a concept.
And what he's doing with Neuralink, which is light years back, I mean, that's take a bit of your skull away to put bloody wires in your brain.
He's selling a concept, even though he's way off the pace.
And interestingly, he was interviewed.
And he was asked an obvious question.
Well, you say, you know, all these people are going to have neural link connected to their brains, but who's going to want a piece of their skull taken away to do this, you know?
And he said, oh, you might not have to do it that way.
He said you might be able to go in through the veins.
And that's exactly what they're already doing through the fake vaccine.
So Elon Musk.
In the pre Twitter X era was being called out by some members of the alternative media, including myself, my goodness, for running these companies that were ticking all the boxes of the cult agenda.
And the moment he bought Twitter X and let a few people back, all those shadow banning like crazy, those were saying what the system doesn't want people to hear.
It all stopped and he became a god.
And now he's being brought into the Trump administration, potentially.
So, you know, there was a researcher called Eva Vlandingerbroek, a Dutch researcher, who in 2022 did a speech, quite right, saying that Elon Musk is not your friend.
He's he's pushing us towards transhumanism.
And within a few months or a year at most, she's drooling all over him and no longer calling him out.
And all he's done is is, well, not just him.
A lot of people like out of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, of course, love free speech,
bought Twitter X and he was the front man.
And of course, his CEO at Twitter X is Linda Iaccarino, who's a stalwart of the World Economic Forum of Klaus Schwab.
I mean, I mean, have a look around, you know, and what's what's happening around Trump as we speak, is that he's surrounded by these AI people.
Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel has funded J.D.
Vance's, his running mate's, political career.
J.D.
Vance is a business associate of Peter Thiel.
Vivek Ramaswamy, who's a venture capitalist and a Trump sycophant, is a business associate of Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel is the co-founder of Palantir, which provides surveillance and other technology
for the Pentagon and the intelligence network, including the CIA.
And he's on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group, which is quote, globalist,
and has been working since 1954 to impose this centralized dystopia.
His fellow co-founder of Palantir, Alex Karp, is on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group.
These are the people around Trump and we're supposed to think that Trump is the savior.
Just your regular anti-system rebels there, right?
That's how they usually look like.
Yeah.
And what it is, and I think I mentioned this earlier, is that if you tell people what they want to hear, then I
did, then the door is swinging open. And what Trump and this mob
are doing is telling their natural constituency what they want
to hear. And those natural constituency are those people
that don't want this dystopian world.
I mean, the wokers that follow Harris will basically pushovers and even demand it.
But the Trump supporters overwhelmingly don't want it.
And so what you've had, and this is again, it's all about perceptual manipulation.
You know, if you want to get people to behave in a certain way, then you've got to get them to perceive in a certain way, because one follows the other.
And so you've had this, these what I call pushbackers that don't want this dystopia, this AI dystopia, and somehow they've got to be brought on board.
So what you've had are two approaches.
There's the hard cell there for people that are the pushovers.
This is the Klaus Schwab's and the Bill Gates's and the Ray Kurzweil's who are saying that, you know, you will be connected to artificial intelligence and will become gods and it will be fantastic.
And then you've got the soft cell.
And the soft sell is being led by Elon Musk.
You'll remember that he said some time ago that AI could be the end of humanity.
But he's gone on promoting AI ever since.
He's now got a company doing that very thing.
Another one.
And the soft sell is from Musk.
We are looking at the inevitability of an AI takeover, and we're not, because actually it's decisions made by humans that allow these things like low-orbit satellites to make this possible.
But we are facing this inevitability, and if we don't Use with artificial intelligence as it becomes more intelligent than we are Then humanity will die out so We've got to do it.
And so you look at the outcome of the hard cell Humans are fused with AI And you see the outcome of the soft sell.
Humans are fused with AI.
But it's a different sales pitch to the same end.
And it is amazing.
You know, we were chatting about this before.
When COVID struck, the COVID hoax struck, I remember, first of all, there were very few people protesting because they were all kind of In their homes frightened of getting the virus never existed.
But eventually as people started to realize that it was a hoax and that there was a very different agenda about why they were doing it.
I remember walking through London with hundreds of thousands of people.
in protest.
And that had a big part, let no one doubt, in bringing an end to the restrictions quicker than it would have been.
And I remember they weren't protest marches like I'd been on, you know, back in the day against war and stuff.
They were spiritual experiences.
You had all these people of different colors, creeds, beliefs, who had come together in unity against a common threat.
And at that point, you know, you thought, we got a chance here.
We got a chance of taking this on.
And, and, and, Healing these divisions, not necessarily changing people's belief systems, because they have a right to believe what they like, but to put down the fault lines that divide people.
Because there was no division in those marches.
Hundreds of thousands of people from every walk of life, and it was an incredible unity.
A joyous occasion.
And then it was quite remarkable to see how fast so many of them could revert to default position and the unity became political division, religious division and so on.
And that's what has happened because you see when I was started out in this In this journey, there was no alternative media, like I say.
And then I watched it appear and grow.
And I was delighted.
There was an awareness, at least among many, many, many people, that we don't have political choice, even at that level of the conspiracy, and that we live in one-party states.
What's happened since the hijack that these mainstreamers have come in?
And I have to say, Alex Jones, who was on the road before that, has been absorbed into this, unfortunately.
Incredibly.
He was one of those who always called out the Uni Party and the same forces running the show.
I saw it and I You know, it might have been this whole lawsuit thing and, you know, putting him in this position might have helped with that.
But yeah, I agree with you.
It's actually sad.
It was sad.
I was sad to see it.
Yeah, he's been absorbed into the club.
He's been absorbed into the hijack.
And I guess if you are taking over in the way they have, and virtually all of them have come out of nowhere since COVID.
And by the way, Many of them, not least this guy, Brett Weinstein, who I wouldn't trust to tell me the time in a room full of clocks.
He absolutely bought the Covid hoax to start with, absolutely bought it, hotline sinker.
And now they're kind of Covid activist heroes.
You know, it's unbelievable, really.
But I guess if you if you want to give a bit of credibility to it, then you want someone who has been doing it for years before.
You want them in the in the pack.
I guess that maybe that's why they They drew Alex in, because if they'd have tried me, I know what the reply would have been.
But anyway, the whole of this hijacked alternative media has regressed that awareness of the one-party state into right-wing politics, us-and-them politics, sides.
It's been done systematically.
It's been done systematically through those few who absolutely know what they're doing.
They've been put in there by the deep state, ironically, and the cult.
And then others who have just been selected for their lack of knowledge and their love of money.
Incredible.
Incredible.
Well, actually, the thing probably That I was most surprised it wasn't even the regression.
If we talk Alex Jones into party politics, it was more.
Um, the transhumanist stuff that he was, um, you know, talking about and exposing for such a long time.
And now one of big, you know, Elon's biggest fans.
And I'm like, those two things just do not go together.
You're either seeing the problem or you're not, and you're in the fan club.
So that was for me, that was like, I don't get it, but you know, it is what it is.
Yeah.
But I mean, you, you, you mentioned that and it's funny.
Um, whenever Alex talks about, um, these days, about AI.
He'll lambast the chat GPT.
He'll lambast Google's version of it.
But never Musk's grok.
Because Musk's the good guy.
He, you must not be criticized.
And I think that's sad.
And it's so blatant.
I mean, it's like, you know, cognitive dissonance gone crazy.
If I'm being optimistic.
Yeah, that's how I feel about it.
David, I really want to honor your time.
You've given us so much and there's so much we could talk about.
But I have one last question.
Everything is accelerating and at a pace that we've never seen before.
The madness, the craziness, but also the awakening.
And I feel like, you know, even though sometimes you said this, sometimes you just, you just want to go, why are we doing this?
But then there are other days where you see some leaps and you see some real sparks.
What do you think we will see?
Will we transcend this matrix?
Will we see prime earth?
Will we see this in our lifetime?
Or what do you think is going to happen in the next 5, 10, 15 years?
I don't know.
Well, you know, I think let's, you know, not just focus on the hijacked alternative media.
Let's look at the other alternative media, of which I'm a part and you're a part.
Many, many other people are.
But they just don't get the algorithmic support and, and, and promotion.
But what I don't, you know, whether you've found this, I probably think you have, is that when I speak to people outside of Twitter X, and this hijack myopia, people are in large numbers are now much further along the road of what we're talking about than ever this mainstream alternative media is.
Because that won't go there, because it's not meant to go there.
But outside of that, the awakening has gone on.
You know, I saw a quote the other day about awakening, and it's not just one awakening, it's multiple awakens, and each awakening opens you more and more and more.
And like, you know, the hijack is about holding the awakening at that level.
But other people have gone on and gone on and gone on.
And what I find is that when you're talking about these deep, deep reality subjects, these deep self-identity subjects, people are far more interested in that than the constant regurgitation of the deep state.
Which is where the alternative central core wants to keep us.
So there's a lot of awakening people that have gone on and gone on since the COVID hoax, which is fantastic.
I do think that I go into this in the reveal, these simulations, I think there are multiple simulations, and I think we're in one.
And I think that, you know, what we call history, different simulations, and they do fuse and overlap, but I think they are different simulations in many ways.
And I do think that this one is coming to an end.
And I think that's the real meaning of the Great Reset.
I think this simulation is about to be reset, and it might not be an awareness that people will have of that moment when it's reset, because it might be seamless, as what we call history, one running into one, into the other, into the other, appears seamless, but I do think that they are very likely to be different periods of simulation, different states of simulation.
And, you know, some of them kind of overlap.
So, you know, we've got the pyramids with us.
But, you know, I mean, this even what is history is, is a whole area which you get into it.
But so I do think we are at a point where this great reset is really a simulation great reset.
And this will offer an opportunity to bring the thing down, I think.
And, you know, I do think that, as I think you mentioned earlier, that enormous numbers of people have suddenly started to come in.
I mean, it was 1800 before the population of the world reached a billion, and now we're 8 billion plus.
There is a reason for that, why it's happening now.
And I think there's a lot of stages to go yet, and there's a lot of surprises to come yet.
But in the end, you know, what it's a simulation of or whatever, for me, I am an expression of infinite awareness.
I am a state of being aware.
And while I hold on to that, and I self-identify with that, not as a concept, but as a me, then I'll be out of here when this is gone, when this is over.
And so will anyone else who's in that state of awareness and self-identity.
The challenge of the, and indeed the focus of the conspirators, is to make sure that As many people as possible don't remember that, and that will keep them here.
You know, there's a famous George Strait song, this is where the cowboy rides away.
When the job is done, this is where the cowboy rides away, and until then we'll keep going.
You've done something to me years ago when we had our first conversation, David, and I know you knew exactly what you were doing.
You were saying, You know, in this movement of the alternative media and researchers, I've seen people come and go kind of as a flavor of the week, and then they disappear.
And you said to me, I don't know how you can do that when you look the children in the eye, when you see your, whether they're yours or others, when you see what is at stake here.
And while I was never going to give up, this is with me, you know, during days where I feel very tired or fatigued, I hear your words.
I want to thank you for that, because it makes sure that we continue to get the job done, and we're doing it to the best of our ability.
Sometimes we fall short, sometimes I get angry or frustrated, but I think that's just a human journey.
David, I want to thank you for everything you've done in the last 35 years, for everything you are doing.
Please let us know, where can people keep up with your work?
Where can they find you?
Where can they watch your doc connectors and all the other stuff that you're doing?
Well, DavidIke.com is my website where there's news stories every day put into context of what they really mean, as opposed to what we're told they mean.
All my videos are on DavidIke.com as well.
And we have Iconic, which is a media platform.
It's a kind of an alternative Netflix, if you like.
We do news shows.
I do a documentary show of the news every week.
And, you know, Gareth, my son, does a great show as well.
And Jamie, my other son, who runs Iconic.
And we do really Really great documentaries that go into the nature of reality and these really deep subjects.
We've got a great presenter called Richard Willett who does a phenomenal show called Classified every week that looks really, really deep in the rabbit hole.
And we've got this series running at the moment.
There's three on the site already, Iconic.com.
And there's one to come very shortly.
And they're called The Great Unknown.
And it's and I'm, you know, I play quite a part in it as well.
But so do other people who have memories of the incarnation process, who we have interviewed, our producer, Christiana Van Wyk has overseen it.
And All the stuff that we've been talking about, the deep stuff now, you can see documentaries on it, The Great Unknown on Iconic now.
The book, The Reveal, that you can get at DavidIke.com and booksellers in general, but DavidIke.com is a point where you'll get it within a couple of days if you order it there.
Um, and, uh, we carry on, mate.
I'm just about to start a speaking tour of the UK, um, because, um, I can't go anywhere else at the moment.
Um, we'll see if that changes, but, uh, yeah, so, uh, it's, you know, it never stops, mate.
You know that, don't you?
Are there still tickets available for the tour?
There's quite a few of them have sold out, but, um, there are still some left, yeah, and, uh, you'll get them at, uh, via DavidIke.com again.
And, you know, I'm doing Bournemouth, that's sold out.
The two London ones are sold out.
And then I'm doing others all around England.
And then in the spring next year, I'm going to Scotland and Northern Ireland.
So it never ends, as you well know, because, you know, for the reasons you've just said, you know, you can think sometimes, what's the point?
But then you wake up the next morning and you realize there is a point and you keep going.
Oh, there is, and as you can see, folks, David Icke is not slowing down, not by a long shot.
So DavidIcke.com, Iconic.com, by the way, which I think, cancel your Netflix, cancel your other shit, subscribe to Iconic.com.
It's an incredible platform, like incredible.
The movies and the documentaries David just mentioned, and many, many others that are absolutely expansive, beautiful.
David, I can't thank you enough for this beautiful journey and this beautiful conversation.
Thank you so much, sir.
It's always a pleasure to talk to you, mate.
You know, I love talking to intelligent people.
Well, thank you.
And I absolutely relate to that.
I love talking to intelligent people, too.
Thank you again.
Thanks for the inspired time.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
You know, we love you.
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