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Dec. 21, 2023 - David Icke
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David Icke, Christianne Van Wijk, Dr. Sharnael, Laura Eisenhower & Craig Walker -The Great Awakening
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This is going to be very, very interesting.
I'm super excited today to be with some new guests and some fellow friends here across the pond.
Of course, Craig Walker's here with me.
How you doing, Craig?
I'm very good, thank you.
And of all the days to have a sniffly nose and cough in, it would be this one, wouldn't it?
It is what it is.
Hey, we're in winter, but that's what's going on.
Yes.
But for those of you who haven't been with us before, we're very, very excited to introduce you to TruTV, The Truth Matters, and we are having some special guests here.
Of course, we have Laura, my bestie here is with us too.
How you doing, Laura?
Great.
Good to be here with this incredible company.
Great to see you guys.
And then we have a new guest, Christiana, and I'm really excited to get to know you better.
I know you've been working with Craig a little bit on some music stuff and doing some things.
Yeah.
And so welcome to the show.
It's very exciting to have you.
Thank you so much.
Awesome.
And then someone who doesn't really need an introduction.
I'm kind of like freaking out a little bit to meet you because you've been so life changing for me.
I think I have every one of your books.
Oh my God.
I have a big library and a whole shelf is you.
I'm like yay!
I'm a little nervous.
I do this all the time.
I was just down the corridor in the office and Christiana just seconded me onto the show.
I'm a lay addition.
Well, I'm very, very...
A lay welcome addition.
Extremely.
You are truly an icon and you've been really frontlining a lot of this whole awakening way before many of us even knew there was an awakening.
So I'm really excited to have you on the show for the topic of actually the Great Awakening.
So here we are, almost coming up into the new year, or actually in the new year, between
I don't know when this is going to be aired, but this was your idea, Craig.
So where do you see this going?
I'm going to let you roll with it.
Oh, and also before we get started too, hit the like, hit subscribe, do all the things, get on the newsletter so you know what's going on in this new year, but I forgot to mention that, but go for it, Craig.
Yes, so So Christiana and I, we first met, I don't know if you remember Christiana, it was way back in 2020 when all the crap was hitting the fan.
And there was a podcast that a lady had put on and I was asked to be a guest and you were also a guest on that.
So I don't know if you remember that at all.
Which one was it again?
I'm so sorry.
She's from South Africa, that's all I remember.
I can't remember the lady's name.
Oh yes, of course you remember!
She was talking about what was going on, the events of 2020.
So I met you there and then a friend requested you and we've sort of stayed in touch a little bit ever since.
I have to admit, my memory is absolutely terrible.
I shouldn't be saying this at my age.
Well, a lot's happened over the past few years, which is all understandable, but I just had this idea, because we've connected again recently, I had some messages, and I thought, you know what, I'd love to get your perspective and Laura's perspective on what you class as the Great Awakening, because this word's banded around a lot.
You know, the people, you know, so-called normies are waking up to, you know, the negative stuff, but also the positive side of it as well.
And I would love to get everybody's perspective on it.
What the heck is going on?
And there will be many different perspectives, obviously.
Indeed, indeed.
What I love about law as well is how you always have this hope, this kind of benevolent desire to see humanity succeed.
I think your input is vital.
Obviously David and Christiane, you know, obviously iconic media, you've made a whole kind of, I don't want to say institution, it's the wrong word, but your whole, what you do is exposing the negative side and what the corrupt you know, the cabal and all the negative side of things
that are going on.
And I mean, me growing up here, I'm just in the north of England, just outside of Blackpool.
And, you know, growing up, you know, the name David Icke, it came with laughter, you know, when I was a kid.
And ever since then, what I've loved seeing is that that name is now associated with a heck of a lot of respect.
Yes.
Because of what you've done over the years and the people, I think, with the events of the past few years are actually realizing this guy's got something to say.
So it is a real honor to have you on the show.
Well, thanks a lot.
Yeah, and I would say from a science background the same.
So many medical people, I'm a naturopath, and there are tons of medical people who are like getting it now because of some of the things that you have like been doing.
20, 30 years ago and it's like so relevant now, even, you know, it's like timeless, but you were so ahead of that.
But anyway, go for it.
Well, you know, on the subject of the Great Awakening, I had my not great, I didn't become greatly awakened.
We're all awakening.
There's so much to know.
So anyone who says I'm awake, well actually you're not.
You're more awake than you were before, but you're awakening.
We're all awakening.
And my awakening consciously began in 1990 when, you know, I had some extraordinary paranormal experiences.
And I met a psychic, well quite a few actually, in that early 1990 period.
And there was a common theme that I was being told, that there was an energetic change coming, a vibrational change is how it was described, that was going to awaken humanity from its coma.
And the more awake would be affected first and then that even those that were solid gold asleep at the time would start to be affected.
And I called this vibrational change in the first book I wrote on these subjects, Truth Vibrations, because one of the things that I was told is that All that had been hidden from us were the great effects of this vibrational change was that all that had been hidden from us was going to be brought to the surface so we could see it and you know at the time there was absolutely no uh evidence of that at all but as as we look back from the perspective of current days look at what we know now that we didn't know in 1990 that we didn't know in
2000 and you know we didn't know five years ago.
It's phenomenal and so this kind of truth vibration transformation is happening in the sense of that's coming to the surface but it's also happening in the number of people who are starting to see that the world's not like they thought it was and it can be at different levels but When people look around today and they say more people ought to wake up, well I remember 1990, I remember 2000 and so on, when you know it was very very difficult to get anyone interested in this information at all.
But now it's extraordinary, the numbers are extraordinary and they're getting bigger all the time because There's always going to be a point.
There was always going to be a point where it couldn't be hidden anymore.
Because if you want to transform society, there comes a point where you're transforming it in a way that people can see.
And that's where we are.
So they've gone from hiding it to sales pitching it, basically.
The question is, I would say, and then I'll shut up, is what level of awakening are we talking about?
Because one of the things I've been going on about now for quite a long time is I think what's become known as the alternative media, which didn't exist when I started out, I watched it appear and grow.
Great stuff!
But I think it's been hijacked by here and no further, whereby after Covid, a lot of people came in to the alternative media that were focusing on the Covid situation and the jab and all that.
But they brought with them the rest of their mainstream belief systems.
I've seen also people who, let's say, had no interest in this information until it became a source of attention, and then suddenly they became interested and they've come in.
And I see the alternative media and the awakening at that level, what I call the mainstream alternative media, Becoming focused on politics and Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates.
And now, of course, I've been exposing that for a long, long, long time.
But but it's a level of the awakening.
It's not the awakening.
And I think one of the problems I have with it is that the focus on that's the problem.
...becomes also a focus on this is the answer to that problem.
So someone like Millais gets in in Argentina and suddenly, yes!
Or Trump in America, yes!
Or Wilders in the Netherlands, yes!
As if politics and political saviors are what this is all about.
It's not.
For me, what the awakening is, is a sweeping back of the program perception of everything.
Program perception of self-identity, program perception of reality and what it is and how it works and who are we, where are we?
To the point where we start to remember the true nature of who we are, which is Consciousness in my view a point of attention within an infinite flow of consciousness and that point of attention can be the size of a pea or it can be infinite and if you're going to control billions of people you have to have them in a state of myopic self-identity and myopic sense of reality and part of that myopia is
Politics is the problem, thus political solutions are the answer.
And I think that there's too much of that going on.
And for me, the alternative media should be working on the basis of what Socrates is supposed to have said in ancient Greece.
Wisdom is knowing how little we know.
To know is to know that we know nothing.
Because once you once you realize how little we know, your mind is constantly open.
OK, there's vastly, vastly more than I think I know to know.
So what is it?
Let's explore.
And I think this here but no further mainstream alternative media is is building a barricade around that.
And the real awakening is, hey, let's open our minds to all possibility.
And not focus on the.
The labels and the illusions and the dramas of what we perceive to be human life.
Right.
So I 100% agree.
And like you say, I think people are constantly looking for somebody to come and save them, which that's not the message of what's going on.
It's that, you know, we ourselves are going to do the job.
You know, I think that's why we've incarnated here, that we're here to do the job and everybody's got a role to play.
And that's why it's such an honour having you guys on.
It's been a really, really long journey, to be honest, because I think, you know, when you said about Laura, how she's always really positive about, you know, the awakening, I was one of those people as well.
And I'm really kind of almost sad to say that I have shifted a little bit in that sense, or maybe have become a little bit more matured in my vision of what awakening is because back in 2010 when I had an awakening and I was shown there was going to be a mass awakening happening and I thought oh this is this is imminent and it's going to be very quick and very amazing and we're all going to be happily ever after and it didn't really happen like that at all and I realized that
What we sometimes see beyond the five senses is outside of the time.
So it seems like it happens like this.
And then we have to bring it back here into this 3D reality.
And suddenly it's like walking through molasses and everything is so slow that at some point we just lose sight of what we've seen.
And we may lose faith as well.
And, you know, the drawn out aspect makes it hard for me sometimes to stay positive.
And also I got, you know, listening to David talking about the contention that we might be living in a simulated reality and that the awakening is all about waking up from the dream.
That was a huge trigger for me when I first heard that because I'm a complete nature lover and I love, love, love nature and I would do anything to be one with nature.
And then suddenly David comes along and he goes, well, it might be a simulation.
And I was like, no, no, you're wrong.
It can't be.
And yet, you know, working with David and being around him a lot, you know, and being open to different ideas, I did start looking into this, this concept.
And I did think, okay, this might be a subject that more and more people are going to get interested in, especially when he mentions that there is a prime earth, which is an organic prime reality.
And that this reality we are in is like the Gnostics described, a fake copy.
Now, when I was a small child, very, very small child, my earliest memories are that I would look outside of the window and I'd look around me and I would think to myself, it looks real, but it's not the real thing.
And I always wondered why I had that.
And also, whenever I had an experience as a small child, so I would go somewhere to an event or something, I always remembered in another reality that wherever I would go, everything was alive.
So if you walked through a forest, everything would be alive.
And the colors would be very vivid and you would feel part of everything.
And I remember as a very small child thinking This isn't the same as what I've known because I feel separate from everything and I feel isolated from everything.
So having those memories coming back to the surface made me realize there could be something very, very true in this whole idea that we're in a simulated reality.
In which case, what we'd want to do as part of the awakening is awaken to that fact and in a way reawaken to what is a real prime reality, one that is created from a divine source rather than an artificial kind of creation.
And, you know, that journey has set me on a whole different, in a whole different direction.
And I'm not saying that this is truth or anything.
I'm exploring it.
Oh, the lights just went off here.
We have to move around.
Yeah.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna just piggyback on both of what you guys said because, um, going back to the alternative and, and also tying in the nature and the hope, hope or hopelessness.
Um, one of the things and with biofeedback is I can test people's biofield and how big or large it is.
And one of the things when we test on the map of consciousness, if you go by like Hawkins and I'm not like Hawkins, I'm sorry, but I don't believe everything the guy I have used this chart just for testing and what we have found is people who test at a lower state of consciousness actually don't have a field.
It's very tight and or inverted and someone on a higher level of consciousness has a bigger width of field.
Some people have tested up to 21 feet and the people who have a larger field have an outreach of love, truth, you know, beautiful things that they are radiating and also
magnetizing back into them.
And the people who are in the 50s and below, 100s and below, with the inverted, they cannot
generate their own energy to, so they have to siphon off other people, which is why I think
that they're using things in the simulation or whether it is or not, like entertainment and
different news sources and politics and things like that to create what they can't do on their
own as individuals or even in groups because they have to live off of us.
So they're trying to manufacture something that generates any kind of energy, because they want to hit the masses, but they can't do it on their own as individuals.
But we, speaking from our heart, we have a bigger radius, we have more power, and of course nature is very much part of it.
And I can tell you, I felt a little depressed, and I know Laura and I have talked about this a million times, Craig and I, you know, we've gone through like highs and lows through all of this.
The soul is real.
And it's like, you know, sometimes I felt like so helpless or just like you said, Christiana, like molasses, like, oh my God, is this real?
I, you know, almost stuck feeling like, when is this going to happen?
Or when, you know, like you're waiting and feel powerless in a way, but.
Doing what we do individually, things like this and our show, we created this to help encourage people to work on the inside and keep working on us because as we work on us individually, we are changing things and we are, you know, moving things and Just to empower people to go back to what they can control within us and not focusing on all this external and letting that interfere with the truth frequencies that David was speaking of because that is powerful.
Truth and authenticity actually scores higher than love, which I didn't think was possible.
Yeah, and I literally always thought love was the highest, but just recently I'm testing that authenticity, which I believe is hand-in-hand with truth and living true, is actually the highest score so far.
Well, it's interesting because when I wrote my latest book, The Dream, in one of the chapters Christiana got hold of some, what do you call it, plant medicine?
Yeah, well it's called, it's Chocoblish.
Chocolate, yeah.
It's raw chocolate with psilocybin combined.
Yeah, so I took a bit of it.
I took a bit of this because I wanted to do a chapter where I kind of got rid of this world a bit and got out there.
So I did it and I When it kicked in, I started talking for about two hours on it, non-stop, right?
It wasn't that I had a thought and then articulated it, the words came out and I was the first one to hear them, you know what I mean?
And it's interesting because it was describing how this simulation works and one of the things it said about consciousness beyond the simulation, which is actually very, very small, Consciousness beyond the simulation.
They said you could.
You could describe it as love, but more accurately, it should be described as wisdom.
There is a it's it's it's a wisdom that's out there and a wisdom that.
That can.
See things in in a balanced way and you just said in a kind of a mature way and it sees the it's it's it's it's a kind of a wisdom that that can see all and knows all it's and it's what was coming to me is that was beyond what you call love.
It's just a state of this.
Almost like a wise old guy or a wise old lady, you know, that is this consciousness.
And what's lacking in this world, if you look at it, is that.
It's wisdom.
You know, the situation currently with Israel and Gaza, where people instinctively take a side And wisdom says that attacks on Israeli civilians is appalling and the bombing of Palestinians in Gaza is appalling and grotesque.
But it doesn't judge all Palestinians the same and it doesn't judge all Israelis the same.
It sees the difference between Israeli civilians and the Israeli government.
It has the ability, the wisdom, to see people in their individual behavior rather than seeing them as a collective, a tribe.
And it's, you know, this tribal mentality where you judge a group the same as if they're all the same.
I mean, wisdom knows that No matter what group you're talking about, whatever ethnic group, racial group, religious group, anything, you've got nice people, you've got people that just get on with their lives and do what they do and don't want to harm anybody, and in every group you've got psychopaths.
So once you start seeing everything as like a tribal group and judging your group, oh my group's all good because that's my tribe and that tribe's all bad because that's another tribe, that's in a complete absence of wisdom.
And I think that's one of the things when you look around the world, there is this absence of wisdom.
And as people, the subject tonight, we talk about awakening, They become wiser.
And, you know, this is why there's different levels of awakening, because I don't think seeing right wing or left wing, again, their tribes or someone being elected in Argentina or the Netherlands or whatever as, you know, the answer.
I mean, I don't think that's wise either.
You might be more awake to see that the world's being manipulated, but you're not wise enough yet to see that that level of it is not the answer, it's the problem.
So I think an infusion of wisdom is really what the world needs, and an awakening brings that wisdom once you get to a certain level of it.
Yeah.
So everything you're saying there, I was just thinking, Laura, you've been saying these sorts of things for years and years.
Is she frozen or is she just?
I don't know.
Is she frozen?
There she is.
Oh, there she is.
You there, Laura.
With Sophia.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I love what everybody's sharing.
I agree with what everybody's sharing.
And it's definitely a work in process, a progress and process.
The awakening process is a work in progress.
And I think it's just being mindful and knowing that it's about maintenance.
You know, you just don't arrive.
You have to constantly maintain and looking at all levels of one's energy body and what's going on internally, your mental, physical, emotional, spiritual.
We are elemental beings, right?
We're on an earth that has elements that are contaminated.
And so that, I feel, is a part of the simulation.
Due to the planetary grid network manipulations and the siphoning and harvesting of humans that require us to exist in duality and imbalance because in duality and imbalance, there are leaks and holes in our auras.
There's traumas that are unhealed.
There are belief systems and programs that keep us in that imbalance that are leveraged in order for the powers that be to have stolen power that is our power that we need to call back to ourselves.
And when we call that back to ourselves, and ignite the creative imagination. And like David is
saying, you know, wake up in the dream, we're much more conscious and mindful. And when we lose
that, we can maintain by getting, you know, back to our divine center again, we can recognize, whoa, I
dropped down in my energy, I was running a negative thought form.
But that's what I feel the underworld is for.
It's to really compost that energy to go into that sort of death transformational cycle to come back up again that much more clear.
And nature provides that with its seasons, with its astrological alignments, which is part of the greater intelligence of the cosmos and how it knows how to repair itself.
With the Venus transits, with just the fact that we're in this ascension window period, it has healed itself from all these different cataclysms, exploded planets.
Just like an organism knows naturally how to heal itself, I feel like the Earth does on a cosmic scale.
That if we're in alignment with, we're conduits to it, we're participators and co-creators of that, and we're part of that sort of rehabilitation and repair work in the collective as well.
And if we're in alignment to that, then we can be more conscious of our traumas.
We're not acting out with these personality disorders that are, you know, just bearing it, throwing pharmaceuticals, distractions in the news, in the entertainment industry, and all these ways to just be stuck in that punishment-reward system to keep Like linked into and morphed into the dependency bond of this inversion that is an addiction matrix that relies on the personality and a lot of the manipulation of our self-worth starting from a young age to, you know, just play upon our self-esteem, our sense of identity and worth that is very much not coming from our true parents, right?
It's to me the false parent, the false partner that we need to divorce ourselves from to recognize the true love of creation.
And the integration of polarity within ourselves to return to that balance and that restoration that is that love and harmony that we hold within, which I feel takes us into that zone that David's speaking about so wonderfully when it comes to not choosing a side.
I mean, does Mother Earth, does the true sort of cosmic source energy choose sides?
No, it's unconditional love.
So if we have unconditional love, the receptivity of those that we show that towards are going to connect with us on a soul level.
Because I'm not very positive a lot of times.
So it's funny you guys say that.
I'm like, got to talk to my husband.
It's like, I'm like, ah.
But when I'm in a company like yours, I'm like, whoop, there's my positive energy.
Then, yeah.
That's why I love doing shows, because I'm like, whoop, I'm back.
But I noticed that even just going into Walmart or going places that I don't really want to go, if I just see the soul of the person and I'm not in that matrix thinking of just, oh, this is such low energy and this and that, Or, you know, and I don't choose sides either.
You can see the beauty of that soul or their better intention, wherever they are in the awakening process.
It's the compassion of knowing we're all in a process.
We're all at different stages.
We all might slip and come back up, but we can hold hands together and have each other's back when we have those times and moments.
And we can be a source of inspiration and lead by example and sort of inspire people to see maybe this is a healthier way.
Maybe this is going to serve your soul and your passions and inspirations more than this will.
And I just feel that that's in the wisdom because you're not like, oh, those are just sheeple or oh my gosh, they voted for this person.
Who the heck are they?
Or I can't believe they're supporting that.
Even though they might hold that duality, you're not talking to that part of them.
And I think that's when they can break it as well and not label you Because, you know, I just feel that the frequency that we hold is going to bring out the best in each other.
And those that can't go there and want you to drop down, you just have that boundary.
And just hope that they can meet you in this place of wisdom and a greater universal love that's not so fourth chakra where You know that where I feel a lot of imbalance happens in that area.
We might give too much not get enough in return feel resentful or not give enough love and just be bitter.
So I'll just kind of leave it at that.
But I feel yeah this.
Artificial timeline is batteried up by the power that we give away, the creative channels that we have infected that buy into the belief systems, the indoctrination.
And when we wake up from that, we can start the maintenance work.
And just like we have to do in the kitchen, we make a meal, we have to clean the dishes.
If you try and cook a meal on top of the dirty dishes, you're going to have a bunch of germs and parasites.
Same with the archons.
They're going to feed on the contamination that is not being purified and cleared that connecting with these cycles of nature can help us with to then get to the core Divine nature that is hiding behind that veil of the simulation, I feel.
Yeah, well you mentioned duality there, and you know, that kind of fits in with what I'm understanding about this simulation.
The simulation, certainly at the level that we experience it, is basically electrical and electromagnetic.
It's duality.
It needs duality to survive.
Anything that brings together unity and it starts to dissolve and lose its power.
And if you look at the way the world is manipulated, and this is why this thing about taking sides is so important, we're all being pressured to take a side, to take a group think, and then they play the group thinks off against each other.
You know, like people say, We must be the resistance.
I don't think we should.
Because I think, you know, I have this phrase, what you fight you become.
In the sense that, you know, there's something pushing this way, you resist it.
Well, there's a polarity electrical circuit there.
Yes.
And for me, what we should be doing is not resisting, just not cooperating, which is very different.
You just don't do what the authority tells you to do and wants you to do.
And basically what you do in terms of duality, then, is you create one man clapping.
Yeah.
Because the resistance he's not creating a circuit.
Right.
You're not resisting, you're just not cooperating, which is a completely different thing.
So I think this duality is everywhere and they play one off against the other.
And I wonder if there might be some symbolism in the Garden of Eden story Adam and Eve falling out of paradise and knowing good and evil.
So what is good and evil?
They're polarities to play off against each other.
And this unity, this oneness, this pulling together the fragments, because people are
so fragmented because of the way this world works.
That for me is the awakening.
Yeah, and I always have to think about the Cathars.
You know, why were they murdered en masse in such large numbers?
Because they were really living beyond the duality aspect and they were considered an extreme danger because obviously the forces that require that duality understood that if that group was going to expand it would be game over.
Yeah.
And also, what I find interesting, and that's a question, Dr. Sharnell, is that I saw a video, a few fragments of a video of yours before we started.
I just wanted to know a little bit more about your work.
And I heard you say something about electrical circuits, I think, to do with the heart.
And you just mentioned that as well, duality electrical circuits.
And I just was interested to hear from you How that sort of fits in with what we're talking about.
So the heart is the most magnetic and you know the mind we all radiate everything you know they call it a biofield because two goes out and it comes in going with the simulation or not whatever the situation is and but the heart your feelings are trumped On what brings the magnet in.
So we have to be very, very careful about what we're thinking, what we're talking about, but especially what we're feeling.
And, um, you know, I'm going back to what you guys were talking about.
I was driving down the road yesterday and I saw a bumper sticker that said F cancer.
And I'm going to talk about a resistance as a person who works with people with cancer.
The number one thing is cancer is a part of your body for a reason.
And it was a part of my body for a reason at one time, and I cleared it, but I had to.
It was still a part of me.
So if that's in my body as a signal, if that's the darkness that ignites change, Um, you know, darkness can be a catalyst to create change, to make new choices and to shift bodies back into alignment.
Whether it's, it's just a symbol really to me.
It's like, how do you hate what's inside of you?
So is there hate?
Yes.
But when we love ourselves exactly where we are, when we love everyone else, where we are, that's what can cause the shift.
And going back to what David said, this diversity is beautiful.
And there is no right or wrong in all of this.
And just like we can't necessarily, I mean, we can vote.
Yes.
But ultimately, are there going to be things that are decided for us and, you know, whatever, I mean, my son was deployed and do I, do I agree with that?
No.
Can I do anything about it?
No.
And yet, you know, does he want to do it?
Who knows?
You know what I mean?
But there are other people making decisions for us during those times, and I can focus on what I can, and I can love where I'm at, and I can only do what I can do.
Hating anybody on the other side, when it gets down to it, and you're looking in the eyes of the person that you supposedly hate, there usually isn't a lot of hate when it comes down to it, when you're holding the guy
who is shot or whatever and happens to be on the other side. Everyone's human in the
end. And so, you know, what do you guys say about that? I mean, well, I think that we, we,
as our individual self, have choices of what we cooperate with and what we've done. And
other people make other choices, and that creates the world that we live in.
But, you know, in the end, if we're going to really bring this change about, then people have got to start making different choices.
You see, if you if you have a war, you've got People fighting each other, who've never met each other, who know nothing about each other.
And they're fighting that side because the leaders and the perceived superiors have told this group that they have to fight that group.
And over there, a similar situation with a hierarchy, they've told that group to fight this group.
And people are fighting each other, but the people who are creating the wars and dictating who's fighting who, they're sipping coffee in Washington and Downing Street, right?
So, if we made a choice, they used to say in the 60s, what if we had a war and no one turned up?
You know, in the end, and I'm in agreement with you, you know, A few people can't control the world unless the masses of people they obey and give their power to the few.
It's not possible.
You can't do that.
It's not the tyrants that create tyrannies.
It's the population acquiescing to tyranny.
Yeah, so, you know, the answers to all of this are with us.
But again, in the end, it comes down to how awake you are.
The more awakened you become, and you know, you mentioned there about the biofield expanding.
For me, you know, there's a lot of complication goes on In this whole awakening field, when you know, personally, I think it's very simple.
It's about self-identity, how you see yourself.
Because if you perceptually identify with the labels of a human life and you think that's who you are, then your biofield is going to match your perception of yourself.
It's going to be myopic.
But when you start self-identifying or seeing the labels of a human life as experiences, not you, and the you is that which is having the experiences, which is consciousness, and you start to self-identify with being this expression of the all that is, has been and ever can be, Then that very expansion of self-identity will expand your field further and further into the infinite field, where you're going to access more wisdom, more knowledge, more love, more understanding, more insight.
And that's why I talk about awakening, because you can awaken from the myopia And you can say, I can see there's a manipulation going on here and they're manipulating this and 9-11 and weapons of mass destruction and all that.
But it's a process you keep going.
You then see from a much greater perspective why that's happening and how it's happening.
And it's happening through the constant manipulation of human perception.
The whole game is about hijacking human perception of self identity and of the world and world events and it's that perception we have to take control back off so that we are the point that is perceiving within us as you talk about from within that's where our perceptions are coming and not externally being programmed so we perceive The way that what I call the global cult wants us to perceive self, the world, and world events.
And so I do think that in the end the awakening is an awakening to expansive self-identity.
The identity of who we are ultimately, eternally.
And breaking out of this prison cell in which we identify the I with the labels of a human life,
because that's a level of perception that is about limitation, it's about I can't,
it's about I have no power.
And that's where this manipulation wants us to be in that myopia of powerlessness,
when we're all powerful if we only realize it.
So what's causing this inverted biofield in your being?
If I could just speak for a second because I know we have to go soon.
I feel the inversion is, you know, exactly about the perception like you said, but I feel that we're taught to fear the physical symptoms in our body.
We give our power away to the medical industry and I know we're saying a lot about giving our power away, but the damage of that Is that we don't get to know ourselves better because every time the body throws us a signal, throws us dis-ease, it's an opportunity to get to know ourselves through that self-love.
Like, I want to get to know myself more.
Why is that showing up?
What is the root of that?
You go on an inner journey.
You begin to understand more.
You begin to breathe life into it.
You begin to release the anger, the grief, the emotionality that is in the inversion, and you begin to purify it.
So when we look at the contaminated elements, And the contaminated nucleic acids in our DNA, which are elemental, and the damage of the mitochondrial DNA that is connected to the ether, the great purifier, we can really get to know ourselves in the face of adversity instead of judge it as misfortune or I'm ill, I'm going to die, I'm failing in life.
And all those self-perceptions are you're either successful or you're a failure.
You know, instead of, you know, looking at it as a process to become whole and to look at those adversities and begin to Unlock your divine mission.
Unlock your purpose.
Realize that it's good that that fell away.
To trust the process.
Knowing that your higher self and something in cosmic natural law is interfering.
So the human has to let go a little bit.
Stop trying to control everything and determine whether it's good or bad like we're talking about.
Moving out of the tree of knowledge that's been targeted with mind control.
And moving back into, wow, I honor this process.
I honor this.
This is blessing me somehow.
I need to appreciate it, get to know me in response to it, and then rebuild in the face of these adversities that we tend to judge.
And we judge our trajectory right now as a human race that, oh, we're doomed.
If we can learn from it and come together as a collective and not show up at those awards, like you're saying, and maybe not show up and vote, and we look at each other and the resources that we have to pull together, you know, we can move away from it.
So those that are still actively participating in it, they're there for a reason.
And maybe they'll be that force that will begin to shift the perspective of those around us.
I mean, or them.
And I think we always have that opportunity, even if we're locked in prison, we don't have to be in prison.
We can see our mind.
So I just want to just share that real quick.
I think one of the one of the big, big things that holds people in servitude is attachment to drama.
Oh, my God, have you heard the latest?
Oh, my God.
And it's like, oh, yeah.
She said what?
Oh, my God.
And it's the drama and that drama pulls you in.
It's a five cents Emotional kind of attachment to what I would call the simulation and the simulation constantly wants you focus through the five senses on the drama that it's playing out so that you are so focused on on the myopia you don't
First of all, if I'm looking at my finger now and I'm focusing on that and only on that, the rest of the room doesn't exist.
And so they want this focus of attention on the five senses, the five sense world, the drama that they constantly put before us, or what's in the papers today.
And that so focuses our attention that we lose touch with the greater self, the real self, the true I.
What you give focus to, you make room for. And what you give ear to, you become. It's all bait.
It's an energy.
It's a frequency, as you know.
I'm not teaching you anything for sure, but going back to your question, when we did testing, what came up with the 25 range in consciousness was manipulation, destruction, control, Entities.
Entities will start at like the 25 radius, so if you participate in things that can bring entity attachments, then that also can lower your own frequency, which causes the inversion.
So there's different things.
You know, I saw one guy with a 10, which is suicide, and he ended up committing suicide within two or three years.
He was just on this path of destruction, which Could be self-destruction or war with other people or both.
So again, it goes back to what we can do.
Everything is an inside job.
And when we work on what's inside, this is what the field can radiate out.
But also, we can influence with our love, with our authenticity, with our truth, with our I love you know just being okay loving people across the way that maybe we don't agree with but it doesn't matter because again it's all it's all trying to keep us divided and when we're in division we're not going up and if there's two sides we're not going to that higher
opportunity and we're staying in the black and white and you
know his and her and you know the gender wars and all the different things that keep they're trying to keep us busy
with like you're saying to focus on that and bait us into that
energy and over here all these distractions instead of just being like you know what okay, you know and don't engage my
friend Robert. Stevens just passed on Saturday and he was he gave me this analogy one time I was having an issue with
my with my sister and my mother and we were at a Chinese restaurant and he was like you know what you can do and I
was like what and he took his straw. He took the paper off the
straw. He rolled it up and he said what happens if I take this and I just throw it at you and he kind of like bopped
it in my face and I I was like uh and you know the paper fell
down and I picked it up right away and it was just instinct of I picked it up and I threw it back at his face and then
he was like you know what I would do and I was like what and
he just picked it up off the ground and then he looked at
it and then he just put it back down and he smiled and he did
And he goes, yeah, he was like, you know, you can throw stuff at me, but I don't have to throw it back, you know, and that's on an energy level.
We can do this, you know, and I love that you're saying this because that gives me that picture.
Yeah, it's interesting.
One other aspect of the awakening I would mention is, um, Our life in this reality is interactive.
So what this, because we're constantly interacting with this field of energy, this field of consciousness, which on one level I say is a simulation, the manipulators, they want to hold that field in a low vibrational state, because we're interacting with it and therefore If you're swimming in an ocean, then you're likely to be affected by the nature of the ocean.
But what I see happening is, as more and more people awaken, at different levels, yes, as we go through the journey, if you like, but they are putting this new awareness that they have into the field.
And it's changing the field.
I mean, I remember what it was like in 1990 when I started out.
I mean, there was none of this stuff going on.
Now it's vast by comparison.
And that awakened perception of the fact that the world's not like we thought it was, is going into the field.
And it's affecting other people.
And it's bursting illusion bubbles.
Yeah.
And so so there are people that I'm sure are coming to conclusions.
Hey, you know, I'm I'm not sure what I thought of the world is actually right.
Maybe it's not.
And that's kind of coming from the field where other people are putting these awakened thoughts, these awakened perceptions into the field and other people are picking them up.
And it can be a can be like a A domino effect, exactly, and I think that is happening.
And there's got to remain an openness to keep going as well, because what you see happening as well is with these awakenings, it happens in phases as you say, and then people get comfortable in one phase, and that can be like a religious, you know, conviction or whatever, and then suddenly A closeness happens and nothing new comes in.
So I think it's very, very important that we stay open and we keep unfolding these petals.
Yeah.
No illusion is kept alive.
Yeah, I think that's what I was saying earlier.
That's why I'm so concerned about this here and no further barricade within the mainstream alternative media is that absolutely what Chrissie says, I agree with.
It's like there's a river flowing.
The river flowing, a river of awareness, knowledge, wisdom, all of it.
And you pick up parts of that knowledge in that river.
And then, instead of flowing with the river, what more knowledge, what more insight is there?
It starts to become an eddy.
And it starts to spin.
And this becomes a, like Chrissy said, you awaken to a point And then you start to spin.
The Eddie starts to spin.
And that's where you are.
You're basically in a niche.
And you go round and round and round and round and round.
And you see that a lot with the current, like a lot of people turning to Jesus again.
And then suddenly everything you say is being, oh no, no, no, you're going against the Jesus story.
And I find it quite sad to see because I'm by no means against anything to do with Jesus.
Because to me, if Jesus really lived, You know, he was carrying this Christed consciousness and whatever he was expressing, I find highly inspiring, but I don't see it as that only through him can you be released.
And that to me is a belief pattern that a lot of people seem to hang on to now.
And it's, yeah, it's like an Eddie to me.
It's one of those.
Absolutely.
I just want to say real quick, the planetary alignment, the planetary alignments, Give us the initiations.
It's encoded in us to begin to switch on dormant DNA, to unscramble the codes that have been scrambled up so we lose our galactic memories.
We're born with amnesia that's leveraged in order to keep creating psyops at huge growth periods in the collective and also in our personal lives.
When we're about to initiate into the next level of awareness, of our creative imagination, of all that is possible, there's some big psyops that is recognizing that this is a big moment for humanity or for an individual.
And boom, here's the attack.
Here's the psyops.
And there's the challenge.
Are you going to be in panic?
Are you going to go into that eddy?
Or is that a temporary eddy where you're like, wait a second, I can come up with a better script.
I can purify my creative imagination.
And gain more access to myself and these hidden treasures that have been dormant in the face of something that wants to harness it and use it so that it can override with the New World Order where we can be the override frequency.
And I like to say like the 5D tower that collapses the dark weaponry because we're the more advanced technology.
It relies on the mind control for the bioweapon to even work.
Wow.
I agree.
One interesting thing that I've noticed And when you study the nature of the left side of the brain, that really is a real focus of this.
And that's the need for certainty.
People have a need for certainty because certainty is their security.
And so when you get into one of these eddies, it gives you a certain certainty.
You think you've worked it out.
And part of the awakening is moving out of this need for certainty.
And to embrace uncertainty, to embrace the fact that there's a vast ocean, more to know, infinite ocean, more to know, and to get your get your your focus, your your Your perceptions are based on seeking out more and more of that, wanting to know more, knowing that there's a limit to what you know now.
So what don't you know?
And that overrides the need for certainty, because this need for certainty is very, very controlling.
If it's not if it's allowed to coagulate.
So people will take on a Christian belief system or a Muslim belief system or a Hindu belief system because that is their certainty.
This is this is how it is.
And I've noticed I had an experience recently with somebody in an interview on a on a stage in in Manchester where their need to protect their religious certainty meant they could simply not go beyond the walls of the religious belief system so everything that is beyond that which is almost everything that exists
...is denied them.
They're denying it themselves.
They're denying themselves that knowledge because they won't go under it.
Once they go into knowledge, awareness, even exploration that is beyond their religious belief system, they've lost the certainty.
Now they're in the land of uncertainty.
What is going on?
What is happening?
What is this place?
Who am I?
And this association of a sense of certainty with a sense of security is one of the great ways that people are manipulated and held fast in the prison cell of the mind.
Just jump in there.
So, David, Sharnell and I come from a very kind of fundamental Christian background.
And we've both had a, you know, separately and together, like an awakening experience.
And what you're saying is absolutely bang on, in that, you know, I used to know everything.
I really did.
I thought I did.
And then you have this awakening and you're like, I literally know nothing.
You know, I don't know what's going on.
That is the awakening, yeah.
Exactly that, exactly.
It's like a paradox.
It's creative, right?
Exactly.
What do you have to say with that?
You know, exactly.
Yeah.
And it's like anything outside of my worldview is wrong.
It's satanic, blah, blah, blah.
You know, it is nonsense.
But something that you alluded to earlier, which is I've actually got trouble amongst some in the spiritual world that we have to transcend this dualistic mindset.
Some people say like duality.
We just have to put up with it.
It just is what it is.
The way I see things is that, yes, we have the knowledge of good and evil.
But to transcend that, we go to the Tree of Life model, which is oneness, unity.
We are one human species.
We're one human race.
We can do this together, to throw that analogy in.
And I can see forming all over the world.
When I really grasped that, which was a part of my awakening, I no longer looked at the atheist or the Muslim as my enemy.
I was like, wow, I'm one with this person.
I could see the divinity in that person.
So it's really interesting that you bring that up at this stage, because I think the sort of religious mindsets, as much as, like you said, Christiana, a lot of people are turning to religion because of the consequence of what's going on in the world, which is horrible.
They're looking for certainty, yeah?
Exactly, and they're falling back on that.
Saviour.
Yeah, exactly, looking for an external saviour, not knowing that they're actually here to do the job and to do the work.
Which, you know, when sort of the 2020 situation was ongoing, I wanted to grab a horse and go full-blown William Wallace on Parliament, you know, but if you do that then you're in their dualistic system and they will work every time.
But something that's been coming through the past sort of year or so for me is we're not here to fight the old, we're here to create the new.
And I think that's what all this is about.
We're not, I couldn't care less Kind of what they're up to anymore.
It's like we need to be on the front lines creating what some call the New Earth, whatever you want to call it.
I know some people say that's a program.
I don't know.
But for sake of terminology, you know, we're here to create an existence where this this ancient cult is obsolete.
And I truly believe that we're on the road.
We're on the path.
Yeah.
I mean, it's it's not what I was saying earlier about Not fighting, but ceasing to cooperate.
Ceasing to take part, basically.
Because this is what's going on.
Fight, fight, fight, fight.
Drama, drama, drama.
Gotcha.
I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to resist you.
I'm simply not going to acquiesce to what you want me to do.
I will not do what you want.
And I'm not going to fight you.
I'm just not doing it.
And that breaks this.
Because if you look at it, you've got billions of people and you've got a handful that are actually in full knowledge, manipulating them and directing them.
But that can't be imposed upon by that unless that is totally fragmented.
And so you have all these fragments fighting each other instead of focusing on if you like, the common imposition.
And until we break down these belief systems, these group belief systems, and absolutely as you say,
see us for what we are, all different expressions of the same consciousness having different experiences,
then this divide and rule will go on.
This is why tyrants cannot be tyrants and impose their will without divide and rule.
And all these different fault lines that are played.
And if you notice now, there's more and more being created.
So now there's a fault line between the transgenders and women, just as there was a fault line between men and women creating toxic masculinity.
All these different fault lines are being created because unity is their worst nightmare.
Exactly.
They want us to fight.
They want us to fight them.
And then they can say, martial law, you're all out on the streets protesting.
And then the peaceful protests they don't report about because what can they say about
that?
That's not fighting.
That's people coming together in love like you guys did in London.
And I mean, I always look at it like breaking up with an ex-partner because it is all about
the patriarchal program and it doesn't matter.
It's not about the men are blaming a gender.
It has to do with the programming of imbalance and and and and it flips right just as long as there's imbalance.
It doesn't matter what side is coming from who's above the other as long as it's not balanced.
And so if you look at it like that inverted system is like breaking up with a toxic partner.
You're not going to want to continue fighting with it.
It might want you to continue to fight with it.
But if you don't move on you're not going to experience true love.
You're not going to move on to the next experience.
You're being bound By trying to change it, you're being bound by trying to win over it.
And it's not going to change.
Only we can change and move forward and embrace the next thing coming in that is much more authentic to our heart, to our truth.
And that's why what we break up with, we want to move on from.
We want to cut the energetic cords, because as long as we're still engaging, it's taking our power.
Right.
So it's interesting when I meet people who are awakening.
And I meet people who are of solid gold asleep and in the program.
Just look in the eyes.
Completely different.
One has life and sparkle and one has, there's no one else.
Yes, yes, yes.
Well, I would love for you guys to come back and do a part two because I feel like we're just like barely skimming this.
But, you know, Oh, we're definitely going to be in touch.
Um, where can people find you guys?
Um, if we can just go around real quick and, uh, I know you guys can find me at drsharnell.com.
Lots of different, um, resources there as far as.
Session work, remote, online courses, books that I've written, and our show is there.
There's lots of different things.
Just go to DrShernell.com.
Of course, we have the podcast, but where can we find you guys?
Because I'd love for people to connect with your work.
Well, they can find us at Iconic.com, where we are now.
It's a media platform that Yes, it looks at the conspiracy and exposes the conspiracy, but not only that.
That's the point I'm making about this here and no further.
alternative media. It goes into the nature of reality, the whole spectrum of spirituality
and explores no limits, just explores what the evidence or the interest is there to explore.
And you get me at davidike.com as well. And he's quite prolific on Twitter at the moment as well.
I've seen. I love it. Yeah, it's kind of, I tell you, going on Twitch is quite interesting because
I didn't want to know about social media.
So I don't read the comments or anything, I just say my thing and make of it what you will.
But then something happened about a month ago where What was happening is someone was posting news stories from David Dotcom on my Twitter page, and that's as far as we went.
But that was fallen into into disarray a bit at the time.
So I said, well, I'll take it over.
And I started then not just posting news stories, but actually commenting.
And it's it's amazing.
I mean, you know, There is an enormous number of people out there, and it coincided with the, almost exactly with the Israeli-Palestinian latest conflict.
And there's an enormous number of people out there that are sick and tired of sides.
They are fed up with it.
You know, and I saw the, you know, the alternative media, as it calls itself, picking sides, usually Israel, in that case, of the right and the left.
Oh, no, we're going with the Palestinians.
Here we go again.
Yeah.
And.
But the line I've been taking is you pick a side.
The Matrix has you.
And it's amazing the number of people who want to hear that.
Yes.
Who can see through it now, that the sides thing is just polarity playing off fault lines of divide and rule.
And that's very encouraging.
Yeah.
And also, David and I have just finished a film based on the book that's come out.
So the book is called The Dream.
And we've now made the film The Dreamless out on Christmas Eve, so I very much encourage people to watch that on Iconic.com because that's really looking into the nature of reality, the simulation, waking up from the dream and where to from here.
Awesome, I look forward to that!
Cats and dogs, everybody wants to join in here.
Yes.
Laura, where can we see you, Laura?
Cosmicguide.org.
I have a subscription there and all my content on the alternative channels I'm trying to rebuild.
I haven't quite been able to get back on Twitter.
I'm like, okay, but yeah.
I'm going to be putting out a book in March called Awakening the Truth Frequency, and it's all about everything we're talking about.
And really just that diversity in harmony is true oneness.
Our differences are a blessing.
We're here to help switch each other on with all the things that make us different.
Yeah, and with doing that, I feel we deprogrammed from the madness.
And so it's been a pleasure to be with you guys.
It's always incredible to see you, David and Christiana.
And of course, Dr. Charnel and Craig.
I love your show and I look forward to creating more.
I know, I think I'm going to be with you with the Rebel Collective, David Icke, very soon in December, which I can't wait for.
And I don't know if you remember that with Drago.
Yeah, he probably does.
He knows on the day kind of thing.
OK, well, I'll see you then.
I love you guys.
Happy holidays and New Year.
And yeah, I mean, no matter what's happening around us, we are witness to it.
We're not of it and we're not going to be helping to enable it.
We can really embrace the power that we hold to co-create something way better without the certainty and embrace the mystery and be artists of life.
Exactly.
And I think that, you know, if People tend to think that oneness means everyone thinks the same, everyone acts the same, you know, it's like a blob.
But we're looking at a consciousness, what I call the all that is, has been and ever can be, which is another way of saying it's all possibility, it's all potential.
And so celebrating uniqueness, celebrating your uniqueness, is to celebrate unity.
And what a boring infinity if we were all the same.
Exactly.
And it's important that we do express our uniqueness and to balance that with other people's uniqueness Is that we all respect everyone's right to their opinion and everyone's right to their view and everyone's right to their their lifestyle.
I mean, I have a simple philosophy on life.
Do what you like as long as you don't impose it on anyone else.
Yeah, exactly.
And, you know, so express your uniqueness, but don't impose your uniqueness on someone else who doesn't want that uniqueness imposed upon them.
And that's called respect.
I mean, this world could be so fantastic.
That's love to me.
If you talk about what's love, that's love, that tolerance and respect and acceptance.
As long as you're not hurting anybody, right?
You know?
It's like, It's not difficult, is it?
It's like Kindergarten Everyone.
All the different musical instruments are meant to play together and create harmony, but you don't bash the violinist over the head because you're playing the drum.
You're like... I love it.
Exactly.
I love it.
Exactly.
You're amazing.
Yeah.
Okay.
And Craig, where can we find you?
Oh, gosh.
Yeah.
So, I'm in a band, Anthesension.
I'm also playing for a band called Ten.
We're doing some gigs next year.
They're going to be announced soon.
I have a Meditation Ethereal Music channel, which I think is in the comments or the bio.
Obviously, we do this show regularly.
I'm on social media.
I like people to contact me and I like the discussion and offending people.
It's brilliant.
I love it.
So, thank you.
Well, thank you guys.
Yeah, it's been a real pleasure.
It's been really good.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for coming on.
It was a real surprise.
It was wonderful to have you.
Cheers.
I feel so positive!
Definitely, you need to come.
We'll do a part two.
We'll get in touch and see if we can make that happen.
But you guys have a wonderful day and week, and just keep doing what you're doing.
And we so appreciate y'all being with us together today.
And thank you again.
Have a good one, guys.
Thanks for everybody coming.
Bye.
Thank you very much.
All right, we need to go, unfortunately.
You go.
Thank you.
That was great.
Thanks for inviting us.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years which were perceived to be crazy.
And then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
She's so precious to me.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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