Military Veteran Warren Thornton On The Middle East, Ukraine & WW3 - Gareth Icke Tonight
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The masses celebrate the election of another false idol.
Eventually, the penny will drop.
But the real power is within us.
It's Thursday night.
It's Gareth Hart tonight.
Now it's no huge surprise that things like this happen.
There are eight and a half million people in New York and the law of averages suggests that within that amount of people you're going to get some serious scumbags.
But this video went viral not only because of the revolting nature of the words being used but also the relentlessness of Mohammed was a child in the West.
What?
It says in the Hadith.
And as you can see, these incidents are filmed on different days.
So this has happened, well, at least three times.
And this is just one food vendor that we know of.
I'm going to call the police.
It's none of your business.
Go.
behind it now. It's not your business. Go. No, I'm asking you. Go. She was six and then
Go.
she tried to have sex with her when she was nine and her hair fell out. It says that in
your own holy book. Go, please. No, no. You go. You go. You, you, you. What's your name?
What's my name?
Yeah.
Mohammed.
Your name Mohammed?
Yeah.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
Okay, go.
What's your name?
It's not your business.
No, no, what's your name?
It's not your business.
You asked me.
Now I gave you my answer, you give me your answer.
It's not your name.
What?
Trust me.
Are you there legally?
No.
Why should I go?
It's a free country.
It's not Egypt here.
Did you rape your daughter like Mohammed did?
Hmm?
Did you rape your daughter like Mohammed?
I don't speak English.
You only speak English?
No English, no.
You don't speak English?
Yes.
Alright.
See, that just shows how ignorant you are.
Because you know, Mohammed was a rapist.
It says in the Hadith, in your holy book.
Mohammed.
What?
Mohammed.
Mohammed, your prophet.
You know who he is.
My prophet?
Yeah.
He was a rapist.
He raped Aisha.
Does it say that in the Hadith or not?
It's not my fault that you pray to a criminal!
Listen, listen.
I'm working now, okay?
Can you leave, please?
Go, please.
You're not working.
There's nobody here.
I'm just working here.
There's nobody here.
I'm going to put big signs here that say, this guy believes in Hamas.
Do you want to buy something?
No, I don't.
Okay, why stay here?
I won't give you a penny of my money.
Listen, listen.
Why stay here?
What?
Do you want to buy something?
No!
Okay, go.
I don't want to go.
I have a right to stay here.
You have no right to be on the sidewalk.
You have a permit?
Yeah, I have a permit.
I have a license.
Okay, but you don't have a visa.
I have a visa, go.
What do you have?
It's not your business, go.
Oh, it is my business, because I actually know the guy who owns all these.
I have American citizenship.
You have it?
You're an American citizen?
Yeah, do I have it?
How?
How did you become an American citizen?
It's not your business, go.
Oh, you're right.
I was born here.
But you're a terrorist.
You support terrorism.
Listen, go.
I'm not supporting something.
No, you support terrorism.
Go.
I'm just working here.
You're a terrible person.
You killed children, not me.
What?
Go!
My kids?
What about my kids?
You killed children, not me.
Go!
I didn't kill children.
OK, well I see here.
You know what?
If we killed 4,000 Palestinian kids, you know what?
It wasn't enough.
It wasn't enough!
Go, go, go, go.
If we killed 4,000 Palestinian children, it isn't enough.
What a quote to end with.
Must be very proud of himself.
Now, you're probably wondering why this is a big deal.
People have said horrific things on both sides, so why are you only highlighting this?
Well, when the video went viral, people wanted to know who this guy was, understandably, and they found out.
Now, brace yourself.
This wonderful chap is a man called Stuart Seldovitz.
Stuart was Deputy Director in the US State Department's Office of Israel and Palestinian Affairs from 1999 to 2003.
He was an advisor to former President Barack Obama and a three-time winner of the State Department's Superior Honor Award.
Wow.
Now imagine how little honor you'd have to have to lose an award to this guy.
More recently, Soudowicz had assumed the role of Foreign Affairs Chair to Gotham Government Relations.
This was until last week.
Because on Tuesday afternoon, Gotham announced via Twitter that they terminated that association.
But part of me thinks, if you're as vile as this lad, you ain't hiding that all the time.
So the idea that he'd never shown this side of his character before is kind of laughable, really.
Let's have it right.
Gotham ended their association because a dude got caught.
Simple as that.
But it leads me to a bigger question.
One, of course, being how many people with this attitude still walk the corridors of power in the US government as it claims to be a fair broker between Israel and Palestine?
But there's another question, and it's one that I can't stop asking myself.
Now, I've looked into this conflict for years.
My interest really started after travelling to Israel to play beach soccer against them for England in 2007.
In fact, it was Israel's first ever beach soccer game.
Since then, I've worked for Palestinian charities trying to raise money for winter clothing, school equipment, even a football shirt drive, where we sent hundreds of donated football shirts from England to Gaza.
Of course, less than 50% of them actually made it past the Israeli occupation.
I remember well the onslaughts of cast lead and protective edge.
I remember the four small boys on the beach that were blown to pieces while playing football.
The Baker boys blatantly targeted by a trigger-happy and empathy-deleted Navy and witnessed by UN workers.
But it was brushed aside.
It was forgotten by the media.
So why now, in 2023, is the media worldwide suddenly calling out Israel?
Netanyahu's always lied.
You know he's lying because his lips are moving.
He lies about everything.
Even his own people despise him.
He's embroiled in one corruption scandal after another.
The IDF always lies, and they always have.
So why now are they suddenly being fact-checked and called out by the very outlets that always reported their words as gospel truth before?
There's something more at play here.
Now, some may say it's because of the internet.
But the internet was there in 2014.
Everyone saw the horrors, but there was no condemnation from the media, none from politicians.
This week, in just two examples, we've had the BBC, wow, fact-checking the IDF, and the Daily Mail, a right-wing pro-Israel newspaper in the UK, printing a story about the fact that Israel knew the October 7th attack was coming, and that they threatened soldiers that were warning them with court-martial.
Now it's obvious to anyone that cares to lift their head out the sand that October the 7th and the lack of security doesn't add up.
But the Daily Mail...
Now there's two options here.
Either the mainstream media that spent the last three years lying to us, supporting lockdowns and jabs that have harmed millions collectively.
They've either grown a moral compass, or the masters above them have a more sinister motive for allowing these stories to come out to the masses.
Now I'll level with you, I don't think they've grown a moral compass.
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But first, Warren Thornton is a war veteran who served as a military sniper for six years.
He has contacts in the military, embassies and journalism worldwide.
And Warren also served protecting aid workers in many war-torn countries for eight years.
Warren, thank you for joining us.
I keep asking myself this same question.
Why is the media suddenly calling out Israel when it's never done that before?
I don't think it really has a choice, to be honest, because the evidence is so overwhelming and so blatant.
But you have to remember how many people actually from a wonderful group, well, not so wonderful, called 2-800, which is an Israeli counterintelligence service that works in the media and just how many tentacles they have in various news organizations around the world.
Do you think then, because I'm looking at someone like Netanyahu, Netanyahu's wanted this war with Iran for as long as I can remember, he's been itching at it, he's been going to the UN, they're building a nuclear bomb and all this sort of stuff.
Do you think then maybe that actually this exposure of Israel, Israel is almost in on it and it's a way of manufacturing consent for a wider conflict?
Because if you think about it, if they only have Hamas as the bogeyman and the bad guy, that doesn't really become a conflict, because a conflict needs two bogeymen, basically.
Yeah, absolutely.
Ever since this first started, as soon as the October 7th attack started, I logged it.
Within two hours, the BBC were calling out Iran.
America were calling out Iran.
And it's not a wide leap, is it Gareth, to say that the people we wanted a war with in the West were Russia, China and Iran.
Well, China could still be coming up but I doubt it because we can't fight a war over there.
The war against the Russians has given us a bit of a bloody nose and the only one that's left now is Iran and isn't it odd that they're the three people who want to build a, shall we say, a different Eastern Med pipeline?
I'm not a coincidence theorist, Warren, but I have to say, when I'm looking at it now and I'm looking, right, Ukraine's, you know, bubbling away, so you've got Russia, you've got Taiwan and the South China Sea bubbling away and they want China, and then all of a sudden Hamas is, let's have it right, is allowed to go over the fence, and then suddenly, instead of just saying Hamas, suddenly it's Iran.
Yeah, absolutely.
And this has always been the case and what they've wanted.
I mean, we've had that Australian divers, haven't we, in the sonar thing from the Chinese Navy that has upset them.
And I think America are very quickly realising that they can't win a war against China.
They're not going to win one against Russia.
And who doesn't have a first-class army?
Or who is the least, shall we say, difficult opponent?
And that would be Iran.
And they used their media and did so all the way through, quite horribly, before the, you know, straight after the October 7th, to try and get people on side.
Now, suddenly, everything is falling apart.
Where do you see it going in terms of, you know, it sounds dramatic, but World War Three?
Because obviously, like you say, you know, China, Russia, Iran, they've been pushed together by the West as well, haven't they, via sanctions.
I mean, I'm not an economist, but I looked at the sanctions on Russia and I looked previously at the huge sanctions on Iran.
And I thought to myself, this is definitely counterproductive because they're just going to go elsewhere.
And what it did is it forced these three together.
Yeah, very much so.
The trouble is, Gareth, you've got... Every time we seem to have sanctions, they've always worked in the past.
Now they don't, because people just go their own way.
You just look what Russia and quite a few countries are doing with Brits.
And you also have to remember that Israel are completely alone here, apart from the American help.
Most of the rest of the countries in the world are calling this for what it is, and it's a genocide by Israel.
But of course, we've got so much of our media that is, shall we say, on-side.
And if you've got a moment, I'll go through some of them for you.
Oh, please do, Warren.
Please do.
Yep.
Well, you've got Piers Morgan at Talk TV, who, let's face it, tries to say he's independent.
Well, he's mixed up with fundraisers from the Norwood Charity, founded by Jonathan Mendelsohn, who is a big fan of the Labour Party and the Labour Friends of Israel, which we have to remember.
Then we've got You've got Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro over the Daily Wire, who are Cape Technology, is with them.
And you've got Ido Erling, who's the CEO of the Israeli Intelligence, or former.
Then you've got J.K.
Rowling, whose publicist, Neil Blair, was part of the Israeli Ministry of Justice.
And then you've got Rishi Sunak and Info Systems, who have got Ori Levine,
who was part of this Israeli intelligence service called the 8200.
Now, Google have got 99 former employees of this 8200 intelligence service in its employ,
including Jonathan Cohen, Ori Daniel, Meta, Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp.
We've got Emmy Palmer, who was the former director of the Israeli Ministry of Justice.
You've got at Pioneer, you've got Jonathan Rammelt.
And at Microsoft, you've got people like Ayat Stein and Toma Lev and various others.
So they're all in various positions of power around TV companies and, of course, the World Wide Web.
So Google's got 90 plus members of staff that are formerly part of an Israeli intelligence unit?
Yes.
And that's not an accident, is it?
No, it's not.
They're former employees and they're in very high positions.
We've got Gabriel Goldie, as I say, Jonathan Cohen, Ori Daniel, Ben Barry, Gio Guthers and Lior Lieberman, who, just to name but a few, who are in very high positions over at Google.
That's absolutely extraordinary, because Google has so much power, of course, over algorithms left, right and centre.
And in no small part, they obviously, they own YouTube.
So, I mean, we've just had our YouTube channel deleted.
They can pretty much control what you see and hear.
But this again, that's, that again, Warren, that's what kind of throws me with the fact that these bits of information are getting out there.
The fact that the Daily Mail was pushed a piece this week where they're talking about the fact that Israel knew that the attacks were coming and they were threatening their own soldiers with court-martial for exposing it.
That's extraordinary.
So you said Israel's kind of standing on its own.
Why do you think that's being allowed to happen?
Because they've got the US with them.
But, you know, for me, I'm always kind of thinking with my tinfoil hat on a little bit.
Are they almost being offered like, for want of a better phrase, almost like lambs to the slaughter?
Because obviously the real power in the world, they don't care about the people at all.
No, no.
I mean, you only have to look at, you know, the various things that come out of it.
It doesn't matter whether it's COVID or climate change and everything else.
They'll say one thing and they'll be doing completely the opposite.
Now, what we have here is Israel being set up.
Netanyahu is a dead duck.
Netanyahu needed a war like Thatcher did when she sent us to the Falklands in 1982.
Netanyahu needs this war.
But the trouble is what you've now got is Orthodox Jews marching against this Zionist state of Israel.
And let's not forget Britain's role in this.
Ever since 1840 when Lord Palmerston turned around and said that we need to have greater control over the Suez Canal.
And that, you have to remember, is a big part of it.
And then of course we had this Zionist Israel state that started round about the 1920s when settlers moved in there.
And in fact, Rothschild was one of the people who put all those people forward and paid for them to go there.
And they kicked 60,000 settlers off that land when they bought a lot of land in Java.
And then they had a Zionist guy called Wiseman.
And let's not forget this didn't exist until 1925.
And indeed the term Zionism didn't exist until 1927 when that was put forward.
By an Austrian writer and Britain all the way through while we've been in charge of Palestine and then of course we had the power for and everything else and then of course we had Lawrence of Arabia turning around and saying that very simply if the state of Israel doesn't exist then Prince Hussein couldn't have, should we say, his own rule in those areas.
The history there is extraordinary, isn't it?
And it's very complicated in lots of ways if you go back into the whole biblical stuff, but actually if you come back to current times, for 75 years there has been an occupation, a brutal occupation, on ethnic cleansing.
And, for me at least, it doesn't matter how many Bible verses you quote at me, that you're never going to justify it.
But people are actually trying to do that, Warren, and I find that extraordinary that Netanyahu, like you say, a dead duck sitting there, is quoting biblical text as justification for murdering children, and he's doing that in 2023.
Yes, absolutely, and let's be absolutely honest here.
If you're killing children, it doesn't matter what hat you're wearing, you're a Walkerman.
And at the end of the day, when you turn around and you say, oh, quoting the biblical text, well, should we get rid of every American in America simply because it belongs to the American Indians?
Should we get rid of all the Australians because it belongs to the Aborigines?
I mean, it's an absolutely nonsensical argument, and it just doesn't hold water at all.
No, it doesn't.
And public opinion is turned in such a way that I've never experienced it.
And another thing I've noticed as well, Warren, and actually it's interesting because you mentioned the Labour Friends of Israel.
All that went on with Corbyn, all those years back, you know, from sort of 2016, 2017, where there was this manufactured anti-Semitism crisis, which, you know, led to Jewish members of the Labour Party being kicked out for anti-Semitism, which is, you know, just blows my mind.
What it did, and I remember saying it at the time, was actually what you're doing is you're trivialising anti-Semitism.
You're completely trivialising it, so it becomes, you know, go back ten years, if someone called you an anti-Semite, you'd go, hang on, what?
That's a horrible thing to be called, why are you saying that?
And you'd defend yourself.
Now if someone calls you an anti-Semite, yeah right, the word's got no meaning anymore.
And maybe that's part of why public opinion has changed, is because actually being called a Jew-hater, or being called an anti-Semite for calling out the death of children, 10 years ago might have made you shut your mouth, whereas now... No, I'm not shutting up.
Well, it's funny you should mention that.
Over at the Frontline, you know who I work for, we did an interview with Chris Williamson, MP, who was one of Corbyn's MPs, and he told us the whole story of what went on there and how Definitely the Zionist lobby inside the Labour Party went after him.
And then when we get on, you know, to this anti-Semite, well, if you are a person who calls out the death of a child, I'm quite happy for them to call me an anti-Semite.
If you're a person who calls out the brutal Ukrainian regime killing civilians in the Donbass, including many, many children, And you call me a Russian apologist, I'm quite happy to be one.
And I think people are just waking up and going, that's just a label you stick on people.
Have you ever noticed that they always want to put you in a box before they can attack you?
You must be in this box or that box, because to attack the individual looks bullying, but once they put you into a box, they can come after that group.
Oh absolutely.
It's funny because I'm sat in Derby right now and Chris Williamson was the MP for Derby and it was funny because I remember they were going for him and he was very loyal to Corbyn and actually he was one of the only ones that really stood by him while others were jumping ship and what have you.
But his gloves are off now.
Obviously now he's no longer an MP and he was expelled from the party and stuff.
His gloves are off.
Like I see some of his tweets and some of the things he says and I'm like, well, Chris, you are not playing games.
Just finally, Warren, I really appreciate your time for one, but because you mentioned the Donbass there, what is happening in Ukraine from what you can see at the moment?
Because obviously it was all, you know, billions, billions, billions, billions.
You know, all going down the casino with Zelensky.
And then all of a sudden, obviously, this happened in October.
Ukraine's kind of forgotten about.
Zelensky comes out almost begging, saying, I'll give you some money, I'll pay you back.
It was like a smackhead on a street corner, if I'm honest.
But what is the reality of what's happening there with that?
Well, the reality of what's happening now with that is, first of all, you've had the head of the CIA go over, Burns, and a couple of other State Department types to try and get Zelensky and Zelensky to start agreeing.
They're still backing Zelensky, but they want Zelensky to calm down because there's an internal power struggle at the moment going on in Ukraine.
Very, very simply, the Americans and the Allies that are trying to win this war against Russia are able to produce 28,000 155mm shells.
28,000 155mm shells.
Now the Ukrainians on a good day are firing 3,000, on a really good day they're firing
about 6,000 or 7,000.
So you can imagine inside 10 days they run out and they've got to wait until next month
to get more in.
The Russians are producing them like there's no tomorrow.
They've got more equipment, more men.
The Ukrainians are losing.
Yedievka is being surrounded and slowly squeezed as Bakhmut was in the previous winter.
But they're now trying to back out and go for a peaceful solution.
Well that's not going to happen because Russian people have died, Russian commanders have
died and although many Americans and many Brits haven't, the Russians are not going
to forget that.
So Putin is going to want what he wanted in the first place.
He's going to want the Atoblasts, he's going to want Odessa, he's going to want a 150 mile
exclusion zone, if you like, a demilitarized area between the Oblasts and the rest of the
western Ukraine.
And he's going to want that regime put away and out of harm's way.
It's a really, really strange thing, Gareth, that you get America and NATO suddenly going, OK, we've had enough of this war, we're going to go on to the other one, as though they can just walk away and decide what happens.
And that's not the power they have anymore.
And this Washington bubble still lives in a delusion.
Ukraine are losing.
There are some horrible, horrible videos that I'm sent by Ukraine servicemen because I speak to servicemen on both sides of the wall.
And there's some horrible videos where they're almost like their last testament and they're sending videos out to friends and family talking to me and they know that they're going up to the front line and they're worried that they're not going to survive.
They're just being sacrificed, aren't they?
Yes.
And I look at someone like Zelensky and the fact that he comes from being a B-list comedian in the poorest country in Europe and he's a multi-multi-millionaire.
I've got some questions about that.
But the fact that, you know, he's clearly just been used as a useful idiot, and like all useful idiots, once you cease to be useful, you're just an idiot, aren't you?
But the problem is, his idiocy is leading to the death of thousands and thousands of people, and will continue to do so.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's like you've just got to look at this Javier Mille, who's just been elected in Argentina.
Now, everybody's going, oh, what a breath of fresh air and everything else.
You have a look at him.
He was in the UEFA Young Global Leaders for about 20 years.
So this guy isn't unknown to people.
So this is another thing.
And you can see Portland's too coming up over the horizon.
But also, I'm talking to Very many aid workers who are out there, and they do the god-awful job of repatriating bodies, and there is a rule of thumb, and they've been doing this many, many years, Gareth, and they turn around and say, for every body you find, there's another one hidden under the rubble, or in the brush, or in the sewer, or in the drain, or whatever, or been blown apart.
So, when you get these figures of, say, 300,000 killed, maimed or wounded, double it.
Jeez.
Jeez.
See, that's something as well out of Gaza.
The people saw this, you know, 6,000 dead children, there's 12,000 dead people, and then there's the little bit at the end, oh yeah, and there's 8,000 missing or whatever.
It's like, okay, well then there's 20,000 people dead then, aren't there?
Because if you're missing under rubble for days on end...
There's only one end to that, isn't there?
It's extraordinary.
There is.
And just to very quickly tell you about this, Gary, when they give it the killed in action, there are many, many Ukrainian soldiers who have spoken out quite vehemently and have told me that the commanders receive all the money for the troops and then they pay it out to the troops.
So when the troops are killed in action, they report them as missing and they're still able to get their wages for three months.
And none of it goes to the wives and children that are left at home.
Unbelievable.
Warren, thank you so much for talking to us, mate.
Absolute pleasure.
Thank you.
More than welcome.
That's all for this week.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Now, you already may be aware, so forgive me if that's the case, but if you didn't know, this week, Iconic's YouTube channel, with all the hours and hours of content and hard work, was deleted without warning.
Our crime was a beautiful memorial to the late Dr Rashid Batar, a video that's been on the channel since the freedom movement lost the great man back in May.
The video broke no community guidelines, not that they count for anything anyway, of course.
It was simply a memorial to someone that we respect and had fought tirelessly for what he believed in.
Now, some of you may look at this and think, well, what did you expect?
And that's a fair point.
But in our mind, whilst we have our content on many alternative platforms too, what changes the world is numbers.
The more people that awaken, the closer we get to that critical mass to resist tyranny.
And unfortunately, for now at least, YouTube has the numbers.
But whilst it's frustrating to lose so much work and disheartening to see the likes of millionaire Russell Brand garner a wealth of worldwide support for simply being demonetised when there's, well, relative silence about us being completely deleted, and also throw in the added kicker that it was a memorial video dedicated to a fallen colleague that led to the chop, sure, it sucks, but it's worth remembering.
This doesn't come from a position of strength.
You don't seek to silence people unless you fear what they may say.
Just ignore them.
Or better still, counteract them, debate them and ultimately defeat them in the arena of ideas.
Strength doesn't cut out a man's tongue.
Strength lets the man tie himself in knots.
Right?
We've made many documentaries and film series.
And we always offer the other side a slot.
Pro-vaxxers?
Nah, we don't debate with anti-vaxxers.
Climate change scientists?
Nah, there's no debate.
The science is settled.
You name it, there's an excuse not to have a conversation.
And with the censorship, there's an excuse for the public to never hear the other side of the conversation.
Like I say, that isn't brave or strong, that's cowardly and weak.
You can stand there as a world champion boxer, surrounded by all the medals, all the belts, all the wealth that comes with being a champion.
But if you only got there because you would only fight people with their hands tied behind their backs, you're not a champion, you're a fraud.